Record News! Chart News! Role Models! Plus – The Skinny on Mavid

The news about CRUSH charting on Billboard is incredible!!! A song not “officially” released charting? WOW… Hope this bodes well, and that when the official drop occurs, the sales will be off the chain…… Congrats to KLC as well! Keep on keeping on David – all the way to Number 1! :clap_tb:

David A. seems to have a really good head on his shoulders and a realistic outlook about what he can and can’t do on this album as a 17 year old with limited songwriting experience. I’m sure his album, like Jordin’s, will have three of four big radio hits, and a smattering of big drippy ballads. I think he’ll see greater success with album sales though, even if it isn’t any better than Jordin’s, just because his overall popularity seems to be greater.

That’s cute that Kristy thinks people will still care about her by next summer.

Mavid is Love.

I loved DC’s interview with the Boston Globe, and I’m really impressed that Cavallo approached him. He must really like majik rainbowz, lol.

Seriously, it would be so easy for David to make a Daughtry-esque album, and frankly, it wouldn’t have surprised me if RCA decided to push him in that direction, sort of make him a Daughtry 2.0, Now with Hair and Necklaces! Sounds like he’s being allowed to run in the opposite direction and I’m started to get really excited for the album. He may end up with the first “alternative” (ish) major label debut from an Idol, although I suppose rock, alt-rock and AAA radio will all shun him.

OK so maybe it’s just me but could Michael say that David and I want to have fun? So it has to be his idea, that doesn’t make me love him more. Yeah, probably just me…

Just a minor correction–Archie debuted at #93 on the Pop 100 chart, and #57 on the Pop 100 airplay chart after one day of radio play. Here’s a screen cap of the artists charting this week:

http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/kk395/latt2329/Image1-1.jpg

Daughtry 2.0, Now with Hair and Necklaces!

Okay, granted, I’m a little slap-happy and over-caffeinated this afternoon, but damn, cheese that totally cracked me up (probably more than it should have :lol_wp:) as did the KLC comment, lol

Big congrats to Archie and KLC!!

Michael Johns is a bit of a ring-leader, so I wouldn’t doubt that Mavid was his idea. He seems to have a bit of a “me! me! me!” personality. So…I’m not surprised. Yet, I have forgiven him for his past verbal missteps, and I’ll overlook this one. :lol_ee:

Kristy Lee Cook now seriously doubts sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll get married next June as planned because sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be so busy with the album and then a subsequent tour. She says she and her fiancà © are à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“taking it slow.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Hmmmmm…. I’m going to be very surprised if she gets married any time soon. I’m just sayin’. And, I like surprises, so…good luck, Kristy! :grin1_ee: Besides, congrats on charting.

Archie thinks his new single à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Crushà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  will prove some naysayers wrong. As he puts it, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“A lot of people were wondering if I was able to pull off pop and I think this songà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦shows people that I can.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  But he also doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want the fact that the song is a pop song to pigeonhole him in any way, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Hopefully, it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t limit me to anything, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢cause Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d love to show my variety….

That’s a very mature thought process.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s cute that Kristy thinks people will still care about her by next summer.

Hee!

All of Cook’s album news just blows my mind. Everything that’s coming together for him and his ideas are just amazing.

I think Archie is very intelligent too. I kinda of wonder if some of his awkwardess speaking is stemming from so many thoughts swirling in his head at the same time that he can’t spit them out. I really hope there is a few radio hits on his cd because I want to see him grow.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s cute that Kristy thinks people will still care about her by next summer.

OMG, Cheese. LMAO. :laugh_tb:

Fun post, MJ!

Archie: darn it about them rushing his album. Hopefully it will have plenty of cute numbers, a la “Crush” or Jordin’s “No Air”, to kind of give him a nice audience beyond the show. For Kelly C, it took album number two to really kick it into gear as herself.

Like Cheese said, he actually seems to have a good head, a sense of what trade-offs he needs to make. Even with plenty of advantages, it’s tough. He doesn’t have previous recording experience (unlike his older showmates) and is working with a relatively narrow time frame (if the winner and runner up don’t release records before the following holiday, they start running into next year’s show hype). So he pretty much needs to makes the best of what’s chosen for him this time and keep going.

It’s interesting that he’s basically saying that, rather than OMG gushing over the album. Seems like a sincere young guy.

Mavid dances: Aww, I like the goofy buddy stuff.

Cook in the Globe: that was a surprisingly good feature, liked the interesting bits about the producer.

MJ: hey I am a faithful reader but did not know you were a local girl! I raise a Sam Adams to you!

I hate to say it but the chances are good that more people will still care about Kristy in a year than anyone else from S7 (that isn’t named David). The power of the major label behind her will give her the visibility the others just won’t have. The track record for idols going the independent route is really bad. I just don’t see Michael Johns or Carly going anywhere without a label behind them.

Archie is a very intelligent kid with a good grasp of the music business. If he can chart with Crush maybe he’ll be the rare 2nd place finisher who even gets a chance to make a second album.

I think Archie is very intelligent too. I kinda of wonder if some of his awkwardess speaking is stemming from so many thoughts swirling in his head at the same time that he canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t spit them out

For sure, but the difference to me in the performances is that Archuleta does everything in his power to make you feel it and David Cook makes you feel it.

(that isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t named David).

Lol, jpfan. Glad you clarified that. I almost spit my Mountain Dew all over the computer when I read the first part of that sentence! :surprised_tb: Hee hee.

He may end up with the first à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“alternativeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (ish) major label debut from an Idol, although I suppose rock, alt-rock and AAA radio will all shun him.

I agree on the first point, but I’ll go out on a limb here and say that I think David Cook will be played on many, if not most, rock, alt-rock and AAA radio stations. There is no way Rob Cavallo would have been drawn to working with David to just make another AI album. No way. This guy has an incredible rock sensibility and anything he is involved with, I believe, is going to seriously make waves.

This Cavallo-Cook pairing is exciting beyond belief to me. It is definitely about mining for gold, not settling for quick pop success. Quality all the way down the line. Can’t wait!

Archie debuted at #93 on the Pop 100 chart, and #57 on the Pop 100 airplay chart after one day of radio play.

Actually, that would be after 3 days of roughly 7 spins per day on Z100; that will give an audience impression of about 3 million and a good pop chart debut. The power of New York, huh?

Interesting about Cavallo approaching Cook; that is quite a compliment to him. I do wonder, though, if he will be going completely in the “alternative”-ish direction, how will he get airplay as a solo artist? Rock radio doesn’t play solo artists. Will there indeed be a band? Or is this just a one-shot “artistic creativity” album?

I dont really like Kristy Lee Cook but she is going into the country genre. If there is one genre that idols are able to separate themselves after the show it is country

Ok that Archie variety comment got me curious so I found this on youtube to see how he pulls different genre’s off. I think he does a great job and can I say w/o sounding like a big ol ped, that he actually looks hot in that George Michael song. I can see where the teens are going to have a field day!

Oh and if anyone watches this, look at Jason at about 1:04. ROTFDL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRzdNCqhTzk

Actually, that would be after 3 days of roughly 7 spins per day on Z100; that will give an audience impression of about 3 million and a good pop chart debut. The power of New York, huh?

Yeah, I wanted to correct myself because I had been getting confused with the way R&R tracks radio play, and even Billboard tracks sales differently than radio play (it’s all so confusing). But I can’t edit my post. lol.

And, now that I think about it–wouldn’t it be 5 days of play–Friday to Tuesday, because Billboard starts tracking radio airplay on Wednesdays.

soundscene, It kind of blows my mind that WHTZ played him 46 times for one week. Do you feel that they are slowing down for the past few days? I was afraid that they are not going to play him as much after the initial premiere. If he was not in the countdowns his spin will significantly decrease.

How come bigger markets such as Chicago and LA haven’t played him yet?

How come bigger markets such as Chicago and LA havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t played him yet?

The song hasn’t been officially released to radio yet. August 12 is the date, I believe. The other stations will probably pick it up within the next couple of weeks.

soundscene, It kind of blows my mind that WHTZ played him 46 times for one week. Do you feel that they are slowing down for the past few days? I was afraid that they are not going to play him as much after the initial premiere. If he was not in the countdowns his spin will significantly decrease.

They seem to be playing him about the same amount each day, from what I can tell. Starting from noon they play him every 2 to 3 hours up until around 4am. I think he’s #31 on their playlist chart (but that’s according to yes.com, and I’m not sure how accurate that is).

Ok thank you guys (gals). I am just concerned that LA and Chicago haven’t added him yet. Allaccess says Crush is WHTZ’s #12 song this week. I think he can do better, given time. Jordin’s song is not even in any countdown but she is the #2 song there.

I really appreciate all the info about the radio biz. Glad you guys are in the know! Whatever, it’s good to know he’s doing so well before the official release date to all the radio stations. Go Archie!

Here’s my weekly Billboard Chart. It also includes sales numbers, painstakingly compiled by Kirsten. Lots of information here!

http://mjsbigblog.com/idol-billboard-update-81608/

I’m pretty impressed with where KLC has landed. Has her single been officially released yet? How long has it been playing on the radio? (I haven’t followed her very closely.)

I’m just remembering she didn’t have the big debut push that Archie had. I know it’s country, but many, many people do listen to that genre.

I wasn’t overly crazy with”15 minutes of Shame”, but I am interested in hearing the other 8(?) songs that will be on there. I’m saying 8 since we know that “God Bless the USA” is on there as well.

Congrats to Kristie Lee!

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty impressed with where KLC has landed. Has her single been officially released yet? How long has it been playing on the radio? (I havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t followed her very closely.)

From what I’ve heard (from a Kristy fan), it’s been playing on select stations for a couple weeks now (or more, wasn’t really specific). I guess if the stations that are playing “15 Minutes” are larger country stations, she might have a nice audience impression which would boost her ranking even if she’s not getting a whole lot of spins.

You can track some of her radio play here: http://www.yes.com/#Kristy_Lee_Cook

That doesn’t account for all stations, but it gives you a taste of how often she’s being played by various stations.

Ok thank you guys (gals). I am just concerned that LA and Chicago havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t added him yet. Allaccess says Crush is WHTZà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s #12 song this week. I think he can do better, given time. Jordinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s song is not even in any countdown but she is the #2 song there

The nightly countdown doesn’t reflects how often a song is played on Z100. For example, they play Jesse McCartney’s “Leavin’” pretty much every hour on the hour, yet he’s not on either one of Z100′s countdowns. I think that’s because airplay on a particular station is determined, in part, by two things: (1) the label’s interaction with the radio station and how it’s promoting the song; and (2) requests. The label’s push is more important, ultimately. As are other things like how well the song polls in tests, etc.

People have called both Chicago and LA radio stations about “Crush” and their line has been “we’re going to play it soon,” which makes me think they’re waiting for August 12th.

Thanks Kirsten for all of your hard work!

Thanks soundscene, it looks as if it is available for purchase on itunes, as well as released for radio.

As far as airplay for Crush goes, here is the list of the 9 stations that added the song on Tuesday with their market rankings from All Access:

WHTZ-FM New York (#1)
WHYI-FM Miami (#12)
WBLI-FM Nassau-Suffolk (#18)
KZHT-FM Salt Lake City (#31)
CKEY-FM Buffalo (#52)
WKKF-FM Albany, NY (#63)
WYOY-FM Jackson, MS (#120)
KSPW-FM Springfield, MO (#140)
WXYK-FM Biloxi (#154)

Thanks Pam. I think 13 stations added “Crush” in the last 7 days (well, 13 stations that played it more than 6 times, which is what All Access seems to count). Other stations added it in lesser amounts.

WRVW-FM Nashville (#44)
WAPE-FM Jacksonville (#47)
KKMG-FM Colorado Springs (#95)
WKGS-FM Rochester (#116)

These stations may have added it after Tuesday.

Your welcome soundscene. Those 4 stations you show there may show up on the list this coming Tuesday. :)

Thank you for posting the very interesting article on David Cook. Great questions, interesting responses. I love reading anything about him. He is the most talented person to come from American Idol in all seven years. I’m not sure if the fact that he seems to be a genuinely nice person is a bonus or if it is actually at the heart of his appeal and success, but I am firmly in his corner and look forward to his success for a long time to come.

Does anyone else thing that somewhere down the line Kristy Lee and David are going to hook up? They are just so cute together. It has always seemed like he has a little soft spot for her to me. And she beams when he is around.

Eh shari…? Kristy is engaged lol Getting married next year.

OH MY GOODNESS!!! (lurker, Anniegirl, here)

NBC just closed their coverage of the opening ceremonies of the Olympics with DC’s Time of my life!!

Annie, I came in here to post that. The song started and I thought, “Gee, that sounds like David Cook,” hardly believing my ears. Of all the songs they could have chosen, they picked that one! Magic Rainbows goes global!

frogcooke – the reports of her impending marriage appear to have been greatly exaggerated.

LOL! It gave me chills for sure!!! :thumbup_tb:

OH MY GOODNESS!!!

lol – I just posted the same in the other thread. What a sweet surprise that was!!

Kristy got engaged on TV and announced it again on Larry King herself, how could there be an exaggeration?

It’s perfectly obvious… to me anyway… that Kristy Lee totally wants David Cook. Every single time she’s near him she beams up at him.

KC had better keep an eye on that.

It’s in the wee hours of the morning here, so I doubt this post will even be read, but anywho…..Kristy said in an interview, when asked about her wedding, that she had to postpone it some due to the tour, album, how busy she was, etc. So that is probably where the talk of maybe some problems in the relationship comes from. She didn’t say the marriage was off or the engagement broken, but did speak of putting the wedding off longer. For now, it appears that it’s just speculation about a problem I think.

I can’t wait to see what happens to Crush when it hits Radio Disney… look out Jonas Brothers!

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s perfectly obviousà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ to me anywayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ that Kristy Lee totally wants David Cook. Every single time sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s near him she beams up at him.

KC had better keep an eye on that.

If she ends up marrying David Cook, she wouldn’t have to change her name. That’s a plus.

“Crush” is also getting played in Philippine radio also.

Cook getting to work with Cavello is very impressive. I think he’ll be played in many places. I think his album will be very good and interest will be spread through word of mouth and interviews. I don’t think radio play will be as important for him as it is for Archie. He’s got enough interest that people will buy his album without any promotion.

I’m pulling for Archie. He’s got a much harder job than Cook because he does have to overcome so many labels attached to him during idol. He didn’t define himself. And pop is so dominated by those Disney stars. I hope it is an album like Jordin where he can retain his vocal integrity and where it has a maturity like Jordin so he isn’t in competition with Miley/JB. He has made several comments where he is overwhelmed right now and wishing he had more time. He has so much to learn and I hope he doesn’t get too frustrated. He’s very fortunate to have some amazing co-idol role models like Cook to learn from.

Kristy has a great showing. Even though she may be singing some of Carrie’s throwaways, you never know how a song will do.

OK, this:

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got enough interest that people will buy his album without any promotion.

made me ROTFL. Cook is good (very good, even) and many people are interested in his music. But the notion that he will sell his album without promotion (WTH?). He’s the American Idol winner, not Superman.

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the American Idol winner, not Superman.

That is true. The only part that I’m worried about with Cookie is the one which has nothing to do with him – the support and promotion.
I may be a lot biased, but I feel like I’ve seen enough of him musically to know I won’t be disappointed by his album. With Rob Cavallo onboard and David appearantly getting at least some measure of creative control, I’m looking forward to a great album.

I think both things are true. . .DC will sell a lot without anything more than word getting out to his fans that a new piece of music is available, AND he will need promotion. He certainly doesn’t need any advertising at all to sell me his music. :) But a few million other potential buyers will respond to it.

I really think DC will get the support and promotion from RCA. I’m not really concerned about that at all at this point. If what has happened with TOML being all over the place in the last few days and all the Mediabase ads for it isn’t proof, then I don’t know what is. lol It is true that he’s not Superman. I think it’s obvious to everyone that trying to market him on name alone won’t cut it. Label promotion is essential.

I agree with everything that has been said regarding RCA’s support of Cookie. If I needed convincing, the Olympics coverage sealed the deal. I was just saying that it is preposterous to assume that he would be able to sell enough to sustain career longevity based on name recognition alone (therefore, the Superman analogy). Airplay will also be essential and he hasn’t seemed to have a problem there (with TOML being #36 on Hot 100 airplay, and it isn’t even a good song, lyrically – Magic Rainbow, lol). My only concern at this point is rock radio reception. Daughtry (even with a manufactured band) has definitely opened that door for DC but rock radio programmers tend to shy away from solo artists and prefer playing bands, even if the solo artists have songs that sound like their existing playlists. If the music has enough of a mainstream appeal (and I think it will), he won’t have a problem with Top 40 and AC/HAC. But in order to attain success within the radio format of his genre, I am still hoping that the final product comes in the form of a band. I don’t think it would take anything away from the Idol title, as it were, for him to front a band called David Cook and (insert something here). Just hoping that the band would not be called Cook.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think it would take anything away from the Idol title, as it were, for him to front a band called David Cook and (insert something here). Just hoping that the band would not be called Cook.

Well, I don’t know enough about the various radio formats in the US, but how major is rock radio anyway? If Cookie will get enough airplay on POP/AC/HAC, will it matter much at all if rock radio doesn’t play him much?
I think the cons outweigh the pros when it comes to marketing David in a band. Name recognition may not be everything, but IMHO it will be necessary. If they bury David in a band instead of marketing him as David Cook, it runs the rist of losing many casual fans from the show who simply won’t recognize his solo work as that of the guy they liked on AI.
I think he could front a band on tour and still go by David Cook, without “and the…” even. He needs to be the focal point anyways, and he needs his name on the cover.

David Cook makes you feel it.

David Cook is addictive. A lot of people fell in love with him first because when he performed–you felt the words and the emotions of a song. If you watched American Idol, you couldn’t help but respond to him as a genuinely nice guy with so much heart, emotion, and feeling, so grounded and genuine. You wanted to hug him when he cried, you cheered for him when he was excited, you wanted him to succeed, you waited eagerly each week to see what he was going to do that week. I don’t think there is anything more appealing that a rocker who connected with you on a personal level. Daughtry didn’t connect that way on the show. Cook makes you feel it.

You know his style–it is rock. Rock is classic and his album is going to be rock.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Gee, that sounds like David Cook,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Sometimes when you listen to radio, you don’t know for sure who is singing that song until someone announces it. Unless you are an avid AI viewer, you wouldn’t know necessarily, especially if you are hearing the song for the first time. Cook sounds like Cook–his voice is instantly recognizable.

I have to say that if Archuleta’s first single was something along the lines of what he sang during the competition–I would have known immediately that it was him singing the song. I listened to Crush and I didn’t recognize him. Yes, I knew Crush is his first single, but I didn’t recognize his signature voice and style in that song.

Kudos for him to prove to naysayers that he can do pop outside of the sterotype of songs he performed during the competition but people loved his mature sounding voice.

I have to ask why Archie didn’t sing pop songs to begin with during the competition. Clearly he’s capable of it, but why didn’t he do that? His attempt at doing that once, much later in the competiton was not well received as the judges said “it’s just not you…” because he established himself as a 17 year old singing power ballads. There’s a lot of people who love ballads and it appeals to a wider age group, but tween pop generally only appeals to a much younger audience. My mother loved Archie’s mature sounding voice and the ballads he performed. She would not buy his album simply because of the artist–Archie–she would buy it because it contained the type of songs she likes. She would not like Crush. She wasn’t addicted to Archie the person–she just liked the songs he sang during the competition.

I have to ask why Archie didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sing pop songs to begin with during the competition. Clearly heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s capable of it, but why didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t he do that?

I know that he had said that he didn’t do as many songs with a lot of guitar and drums because it was so difficult for him to hear himself because they weren’t allowed to use in ear monitors. He used it once at the beginning but the producers didn’t like how it looked so they took them away. They did allow them for the finale however. So that’s probably why he stuck more with the ballads.

Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a lot of people who love ballads and it appeals to a wider age group, but tween pop generally only appeals to a much younger audience.

I think there will be some ballads on the album as well. He wanted to include some pop on the album though because he felt like he wasn’t able to relate with teenagers his age with the kind of music he sang on the show.