Randy Jackson Idol Promo: “We Are the Picasso. You Can Try To Copy, But Never Duplicate” (VIDEO)

In the latest American Idol 12 promo, Randy Jackson calls American Idol the “gold standard” of singing competitions and then follows up his statement with a namechecks a few of the show’s shing stars.

“This show has truly permeated the whole world of entertainment.” Randy says in his typical hyperbolic fashion.

“We are the original,” he boasts, “We are the Picasso. You can try to copy, but never duplicate.”

Well. He’s got a point.

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http://youtu.be/jv_x54iYYC4

  • http://twitter.com/BamadansPad Danny Latham

    Then tell Nigel not to copy everyone else!! Idol has the track record to prove they are the gold standard, and they don’t need to steal from X Factor or the Voice. 

  • http://twitter.com/BamadansPad Danny Latham

    Then tell Nigel not to copy everyone else!! Idol has the track record to prove they are the gold standard, and they don’t need to steal from X Factor or the Voice. 

  • http://twitter.com/blkeener Brittany Keener

    may I ask what they are stealing?

  • superfudge

    Oh, I guess we’re pretending Star Search never existed, Randy? He is one of the most irrelevant and pointless people on reality t.v. And these commercials just make it seem like Idol is jealous of the Voice by having to consistently pat themselves on the back. 

  • blackberryharvest

    Besides the four judges(which they have done before), I don’t see them trying to copy the X Factor or The Voice.

  • blackberryharvest

    I’m really liking these promos that have pointed out Idol’s success stories. The other two shows have no bragging rights at all regarding their alumni.

    Before you say One Direction-they weren’t on the American version. 

  • girlygirltoo

    what have they stolen from XF or The Voice?

  • blackberryharvest

    I don’t think idol has anything to be jealous about when all of the Voice contestants have been flops, and they STILL beat them overall in the ratings last year, EVEN with the superbowl ratings.

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    Nothing from The Voice, but it seemed like they were going for big production numbers last year.

  • superfudge

    And yet the Voice is still viewed as the “cooler” show. They are achieving the demo they want to. Adam Levine is one of the most in demand stars in music today, Blake Shelton is the most recent Entertainer of the Year, Cee Lo is one of the most innovative/creative artists of our time and Xtina is viewed as the voice of her generation. If you think that Idol is patting themselves on the back and the Voice has nothing to do with it then I don’t know what to say. The Voice is viewed as the in thing now. Idol is seen as outdated.

  • fantoo1

    The Voice and X Factor copied idol by just existing lol.

  • durbesque

    Thank you, Randy… That’s what I’ve been saying….Phillip is the Gold Standard….or rather the Platinum Standard…LOL 

  • mileyfan123

      They are achieving the demo they want to.

    Idol does much better in the demos

  • fantoo1

    Their coaches may be “in demand” and “relevant,”(although XTina has been a huge flop lately) but idol has the contestants who are actually relevant- and that is what matters. We have Carrie, a huge country artist, we have Kelly, one of the biggest female pop singers right now, Scotty has already won numerous country awards, and Phillip has a very successful single.

    Even with the judges, Mariah is a singer of a generation, Keith is WAY bigger than Blake in the country world, and Nicki is one of the biggest pop stars today.

    The Voice can brag about “cool” judges, but idol can brag about their stars.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1638805698 Jason Scott

    Randy does have a point. GO IDOL. :)

  • blackberryharvest

    The Voice saved Maroon 5’s(Adam) career, Christina is still a failure(and Mariah is a voice of a generation also), Blake isn’t as big as a lot of country singers(like Carrie Underwood), and I only remember one hit from Cee Lo.

    Also the ratings and contestant sales tell a different story about which show is “cooler.”

  • superfudge

    Why do people bring up Kelly and Carrie as Idol success stories when comparing Idol to the Voice or X Factor? These are completely different times now. A female is lucky to crack the top 5 on Idol nowadays. However I do give Idol credit in post-Idol song selection. All you need is the right song to get going which is where the Voice hasn’t performed well. Look at the first singles from the Voice contestants. Nothing was ever going to stick if you threw it against the wall. “Home” was just a good song that worked for the right singer. People that didn’t even like P2 enjoyed the song.

    [quote]Also the ratings and contestant sales tell a different story about which show is “cooler.”[/quote]

    Using that logic One Direction and Justin Bieber would be classified as cool.

  • http://twitter.com/carly_greene Carly Greene

    No Kelly mention. Come on now Randy. How can you not mention the Original Idol who is a global superstar and has sold the most records (including worldwide sales :p), singles and has the most #1’s? I’m sorry but I just don’t get it. Sorry for the rant lol. 

  • superfudge

    Using that logic One Direction and Justin Bieber would be classified as cool.

  • fantoo1

    Well in a way they are.

  • fantoo1

    It’s not even just Kelly and Carrie. We have Katharine on her show, Jessica will be on Glee, Jordin was on a major movie, Scotty is doing good with sales, Jennifer Hudson(need I say more), Mandisa is a big name in the Christian music world, and of course Phillip has been doing incredibly well so far.

    And we had 3 females in the top 5 this last season of idol.

  • irockhard

    Idol isn’t perfect but yes it’s the gold standard, it absolutely crushes the other 2 “copycats” in ratings, talent and post show contestant success. And it’s not only past successes like Kelly and Carrie, Scotty and P2 have both been successful so far, and even recent non winners like Lauren and James have had more success than anyone from XFUS or The Voice. And I don’t see this changing in the near future.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1638805698 Jason Scott

    B/c Kelly and Carrie are the biggest stars and still incredibly relevant. That’s why they mention them. lolz

  • superfudge

     lol JHud meant nothing to Idol after they let her go. After she does all the work and makes herself a success they try to take credit for it. Sickening.

  • irockhard

    The best XF has is One Direction, albeit the UK version. But One Direction have shelf life, I doubt they’ll last as long as Kelly or Carrie, in 2 years I bet no one will remember them.

  • SullyD

    Yes, Idol is the best of the american singing shows and all… but he lost me at the Picasso comparison. I mean, really?
    I have forgotten how much I hate Randy, but this promo reminded me.
    Argh.

  • chillj

    Sad as it is, he is right. 

  • Incipit

    At three or four seconds in – the “People selling multiple millions” part, there are ten names on the screen that hold long enough to be read – not just a flash…Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, Scotty McCreery, Daughtry, Clay Aiken, David Cook, Fantasia, Ruben Studdard, Jordin Sparks, Jennifer Hudson. Five males and five females.

    Idol may deal heavily in hyperbole, but those people have many legitimate successes to their credit.

    But Randy is always a bit much, as spokesperson…maybe Andy Warhol instead of Picasso? *snerk*

  • durbesque

    Which Direction?

  • abbysee

    Awesome promo!

  • abbysee

    If she didn’t appear on idol, dreamgirls couldn’t have happened for her. They deserve a little nod.

  • Stavros

    Two seasons ago 2 girls finally pushed into the Top 3 for the first time in years. Last season 4 of the final 6 were female, so the the “Females can’t do well on reality TV” idea is slowly dying (luckily).

  • Stavros

    Kelly, Ruben, Clay, Fantasia, Diana, Jennifer, Carrie, Bo, Ace, Constantine, Mandisa, Katharine, Kellie, Chris Daughtry, Taylor, Jordin, David Cook, David Archuleta, Kris, Adam, Scotty, Lauren, Phillip, and Jessica are all bigger names than any Voice or XFUS WINNER. Just saying.

    Ask any person on the street if they’ve ever heard of Melanie Amaro, Jermaine Paul, RaeLynn, Chris Mann, Josh Krajcik, etc. and see what they say. Lol

  • Latin2

    IMO The Voice saved Adam Levine’s career and helped Cee Lo and Blake promote their own music…not the winners. The show is really just about them, not the contestants. The whole show, while it is on, is about the judges, not the contestants.

    X-Factor is all about Simon’s ego…and that is all.

  • Latin2

    Randy and AI forgot how Idol has also effected Christian music.

    Mandisa has been one of the top sellers in Christian music and Jason Castro and now Colton Dixon are well known in the Christian music genre.

     

  • Latin2

     You are correct.
    The majority of people know who Clay Aiken is, or Kelly Clarkson, or Adam Lambert, or Carrie Underwood, or Jordin Sparks, or Daughtry, or Scotty McCreery.

    Idol was the vehicle for Katherine McPhee of Smash and Jennifer Hudson’s acting career.

  • Trina

    If US XF or The Voice had any contestants doing remotely as well as anyone from Idol you can bet they would be patting themselves on the back too. And I bet when AI starts they are gonna pimp the CRAP out of P2 and the massive success of Home. Why shouldnt they?

     “Home” was just a good song that worked for the right singer. People that didn’t even like P2 enjoyed the song.

    By this week he will have sold over 200,000 albums. If Melanie or Jermaine Paul come even remotely close to that I’ll die of shock.  In fact I think they’ll flop worse than Javier and Dia. So with P2 so far Home’s success seems to be helping him move some albums.

  • durbesque

    Do you have this from an authoritative horse’s mouth?  JHud auditioned for 6 months in a field of 800 girls (including Fantasia), quite a while after her brief stint on Idol.  Given the odds, she is probably the only reality contestant who will ever win an Oscar.  So let them take undue credit and flaunt it.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    By this week he [P2] will have sold over 200,000 albums. If Melanie or Jermaine Paul come even remotely close to that I’ll die of shock.  In fact I think they’ll flop worse than Javier and Dia. 

    So far, a Voice finalist hasn’t sold in an entire album cycle what a moderately high Idol finisher can sell in the first week. Srsly. Haley Reinhart’s first-week sales for Listen Up!, at around 20k, are likely more than Javier Colon’s sold of his album in the year since it was released. Colon certainly hasn’t sold as much in that year as Lee DeWyze sold in his first week alone, and DeWyze is considered the “failure” of Idol winners.

    That’s a big disparity in ability to launch musicians. I criticize the typical Idol launch and career-building process, and I think I have reason to — but there are also things Idol and its partner labels do a pretty convincing job at. 

    “Picasso,” of course, means Idol’s kinda skewed and the perspective’s weird… yeah, I could go for that.

  • teacup

    I’ve given the other shows a chance but I agree with Randy. Idol is the best show.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Reading the comments, Idol maybe most of you consider Idol the best show, but I’m 100% sure most of you’re still watching the others and this blog still doing recaps and news of them. 

    The 3 shows aren’t aired at the same time, so no need for this ridiculous feud. I don’t see the point.

  • yksask

     How come they left out Adam? I know he never sold a million FYE and his last cd kinda flopped but I though AI loved him?

  • http://twitter.com/dam744 Damien Roberts

    Randy has proven that sometimes staying put is sometimes the smartest move one can make. At the end of the day American Idol has achieved the most success with their alumni; I mean, artists like Haley Reinhart or Elliott Yamin, who have had small hits are essentially more successful than the other two shows acts. 

  • rbidol

    I don’t know. It is hard to imagine that she would have gotten the part if she had not been on Idol. She was kicked off Idol in April 2004, finished the Idol tour in October 2004, and was cast for DreamGirls in November 2005 after months of auditions.

    As you point out, lots of people tried out, but I highly doubt a Disney Cruise Ship performer would have had a chance at a first audition. She was the shock elimination of her year (I remember hearing in the news about Elton John speaking out even though I did not watch Idol then).

    She was able to get her foot in the door because of Idol, her talent and a little luck took her the rest of the way. That’s true of all the Idol alumni. Idol has every right to share credit.

  • Axxxel

    a burning piano for James Durbin ??

  • mileyfan123

    Jennifer only got the call to audition because the casting people knew her from idol

  • Incipit

    It is hard to imagine that she would have gotten the part if she had not been on Idol

    It may be more thanks to being on Idol, Jennifer Hudson met and impressed Deborah Byrd, the story is that Byrd recommended her to the people casting “DreamGirls” when they called. Of course she had to impress them in the auditions, as Durbesque posted, “JHud auditioned for 6 months in a field of 800 girls (including Fantasia), quite a while after her brief stint on Idol. “ but there is that initial connection. I can find the quotes excerpted in several places, but the original link to the Byrd interview is broken.

    Quote:American Idol vocal coach Debra Byrd remains buds with many of the past contestants including Kelly Clarkson, who appears on the DVD, Kimberly Caldwell (also on the DVD), George Huff, Kellie Pickler, Justin Guarini, Fantasia and Jennifer Hudson.

    (In fact, Byrd takes credit for recommending Jennifer to play Effie for the film version of ?Dreamgirls.? She said they called her first to ask about Frenchie Davis or Fantasia. ?The casting person had no idea who Jennifer was,? she recalled.? She was not on their radar.?)  

    Someone else with ninja web skills may be able to find it – but the circumstances don’t appear to warrant much credit to Idol, the show. Just a little nod, they were on her resume…but Byrd was the person who counted there.

    IMO. Of Course.

  • durbesque

    Did the casting people know 800 girls?  Hard to believe.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    I think it’s their rightfully earned credit. They (the producers) not only decided Jennifer had the talent to go onto the Hollywood rounds, they gave her a shot when the voting audience did not. Jennifer was a wild card pick. There is a lot of revisionist history regarding her time on the show. She did not come into her own until Elton John week when she sang, “Circle of Life.” Before that, she was in the bottom 2/3 at least twice. Her attitude rubbed many viewers the wrong way, particularly when Amy Adams offered her hand to her during Top 12 week when Amy and JHud were in the bottom 2, and Jennifer rejected her.  That’s not Idol’s fault. Also, in response to someone farther up thread, Idol most certainly did not “kick JHud off the show.” If anything, they promoted her as one of the “three divas” they hoped would make the finale. The viewers, however, had different ideas. It certainly wasn’t for lack of trying on the producers part that JHud didn’t make the top 3 or 4. I’ve never understood the resentment towards Idol on the part of Jennifer’s fans. Would she have made it without the exposure from Idol? We’ll never know. It doesn’t matter, really. She’s a success, and Idol has every right to claim her as one of their own. 

  • Carriefan1

    William Hung from A.I. has also sold way more albums in America than any Voice or X-Factor USA contestant.

  • mileyfan123

     Read the comment right below you.

  • yksask

     LOL how sad.

  • fantoo1

    They have included him in other previews this year.

  • rbidol

    I know the question about Jennifer Hudson is a relatively minor point,
    and I don’t mean to belabor it, but so far as I’m concerned, pointing out that Debra Byrd was the indispensable link only reinforces Idol’s claim. Byrd is an Idol employee and they only met because of the show.

    If I did something great in my life because a teacher from my high school made a connection for me, I am not going to be surprised if they put my picture on the wall. Nor offended.

    Now, if Idol were staking its whole claim to success on JHud alone, that would be another thing. But she is one success out of many. I can’t see the issue.

  • Incipit

     I can’t see the issue.

    I don’t have an issue, rbidol, but it appeared for a while that Jennifer did, from other quotes (about Burger King)…and her fans still may. IDK that she still gives a damn how TPTB, especially Cowell, treated her, or their belated credit grab – probably not; other, and larger things have happened in her life…my only interest was introducing some facts into the discussion.

  • http://twitter.com/alencarthiago Thiago Alencar

    So, are we really gonna act like Adam didn’t made HISTORY as the first openly gay artist to debut on #1 on billboard album chart? Or how Ms. Clarkson is WAY more relevant than Christina now? Or how P2 cracked Triple-A radios? Or Carrie having such a successful tour on the UK, a place that ignores country music? Or how Blake used KC as a way to help boost The voice ratings? And that’s only this year. So, yes, Idol is STILL the gold standard. Both judges AND contestants on the other sows still have a long way to go.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    And yet the Voice is still viewed as the “cooler” show…. (snip)… The Voice is
    viewed as the in thing now. Idol is seen as outdated.

    I actually agree with that. Idol has the better track record for launching careers BY FAR. But The Voice is “in” with the tastemakers and the media. And that’s okay. They can coexist for a while longer if they play their cards right.

    In high school terms, Idol is the straight A student who goes to church every Sunday and everybody thinks is a little corny, but he/she will probably end up the most successful. The Voice is the super hip arty student with the great style everybody has a little crush on, though after high school they’ll probably end up waiting tables in the big city like the rest of them… and probably leading the more interesting life. And XFactor is the new kid that tries way too hard to be cool and has a mean sense of humor to boot. Few actually like him and most will probably forget him once school is over. But he does have a rich cousin in England. LOL

  • blackberryharvest

    That’s actually a good analogy.

  • http://twitter.com/HighTensions Jake Williams

    ok Picasso. Only a few of your winners are successful. Don’t throw shade if you can’t back it up full front.

  • blackberryharvest

    Besides Season 9, every season had at least one contestant with either a platinum album or platinum single. Pretty amazing accomplishment if you ask me. The Voice and X Factor haven’t even come CLOSE to a gold album or single.

  • girlygirltoo

    why would Idol be jealous of The Voice? Idol’s ratings are higher and The Voice has yet to have any contestant have any kind of success coming off the show.

  • http://twitter.com/HighTensions Jake Williams

    The UK X factor has. Not the USA version yet. And I am certain season 9 didn’t produce one at all that reached even close to platinum.

  • girlygirltoo

    1. Idol gets higher ratings than The Voice
    2. Idol gets basically the same ratings in the 18-34 demo as The Voice
    3. Idol actually has contestants who go onto have success in the music industry; to date, The Voice has not

    None of these shows are called “The Judges” or “The Mentors”, so why should it matter what Adam, Cee Lo, Blake and Christina (or any of the judges on AI or XF) do in their own careers? That has nothing to do with the actual premise of these shows. 

    Until/unless XF or The Voice start producing the same type of successful contestants as Idol has, AI has every right to brag.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    American Idol is a spinoff of Pop Idol.

  • Reflects On Life

    seriously?  Idol has copied The Voice USA’s judges panel seat for seat!

    Christina – diva voice of her generation (& mixed-race female)
         Mariah – diva voice of her generation (& mixed-race female)
    Blake – white male country star (& country music hearthrob)
        Keith – white male country star (& country music hearthrob)
    Adam – currently relevant top-10 artist w/ attention-grabbing persona (adhd)
        Nicki – currently relevant top-10 artist w/ attention-grabbing persona (kookie)
    CeeLo – big Af-Am teddy-bear dude w/ retro music taste & odd attire
        Randy – big Af-Am teddy-bear dude w/ retro music taste & odd attire
    (plus they both give nonsensical critiques)

    How DIDN’T AI copy The Voice with their new judges panel???

    Having said that, I will say this.  In the triumverate world of AI/Voice/XFUS, the success of P2’s launch proves that AI is the one contest to go to if you want to launch a career.  Ironically, if you are an artist more than a singer, then you are even more advised to go AI instead of the other options.  Would P2 have won the Voice?  Maybe – they like “artists” over there, but the artist doesn’t always win.  He’d have probably made top 4 at best.  Would he have won XFUS?  Heck no.  Maybe top 6 at best. Unless he had a malleable judge that bought his vision.  Ironcially he might have made that show relevant.  Their voters seem to love their throwbacky singers best (Melanie, Josh, Carly, Tate).  If he had won Voice or XFUS, would they have brought him the song Home?  Heck no.  And would the song have had long-lasting success, due to their marketing & support (or, rather, lack thereof)?  Again, he!! no.

    The other show that seems to do right by its artists has been XF UK.  Stateside, we’ve only seen 1D and Leona, but a great many of them had decent success in the UK (Cher Lloyd, Olly Murs just went #1 on Itunes UK this week, Alexandra Burke, Rebecca Ferguson, 2 winners who went classical-crossover with decent success, etc, etc).  Of course, UK has 1/10th of our population, but they do love their music over there, so units sold per capita are pretty decent.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Yet viewers still watch The Voice, twice a year at that! The majority of viewers never buy the music from any of the contestants from any of these reality singing contests or attend a summer concert anyways.
    It’s really about how many viewers a show can get in the 18-49 demo and the advertising dollars the show brings in for the network.

  • girlygirltoo

    Because Kelly and Carrie continue to be big stars in their respective genres?  

    The Voice’s winners have both been male. So complaining about females not winning Idol won’t really work until a female wins The Voice :) 

  • girlygirltoo

    I don’t think that was stolen from either of the other 2 shows.

  • blackberryharvest

    That is why I said “besides Season 9″ in my earlier post. 10 out of 11 seasons of a platinum artist is pretty incredible.

    Yes, the UK version has, but the US version is the one that matters since they UK version isn’t American or isn’t competing with the other shows over in the US.

    Yes, many idols have been dropped, but Javier has already been dropped, and I expect the same to happen for Jermaine and Melanie.

  • girlygirltoo

    I don’t think the actual “tastemakers” really care about any of these shows one way or the other. They are too “cool” to watch reality shows in the first place :)

  • blackberryharvest

    That’s kinda stretching it. Nicki and Adam are nothing alike, and Randy came to idol first, so wouldn’t that mean that The Voice copied idol by having Cee Lo? Also, you could say that they copied idol by having Christina while JLO was on(pop divas) or copying idol by putting Adam Levine on the show while Steven Tyler was on idol(lead singer of a band). They even copied idol by having Carson Daly, who has done similar work as Ryan Seacrest.

  • girlygirltoo

    Several XF UK contestants have lost their album deals as well, haven’t they?  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Kelly is one of my favorite singers, but relevancy doesn’t trump an artist who has the track record that Christina has. Aguilera is the second top selling single artist of the 2000s behind Madonna. Aguilera’s album sales are estimated at 50 million units worldwide, making her one of the best-selling music artists of all time.

    As much as I love Kelly, the Voice’s ratings had nothing to do with Kelly’s few minutes of screen time. If it was Kelly bringing in the viewers, Duets would have done decent in the ratings contest and it was pretty much a bust.

    Carrie played a few shows in the UK and got a little bit of radio play this last era, it was a nice start to build on in the future. There are other country artists who do very well in the UK, such as Lady Antebellum and Taylor Swift. 

  • Reflects On Life

    LOL I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek about CeeLo/Randy.  But maybe Idol decided to hold onto Randy because w/ Randy they already had their CeeLo-esque slot filled?  Check!

    In no way is Xtina remotely like JLo.  JLo is in no way the “voice of her generation”.  And JLo beats Xtina in the beauty/sexy dept by miles.  OTOH Mariah is an absolute equivalent of Xtina’s rangy singer-of-her-generation slot.

    Nicki & Adam are both as famous for their out-there personas as for their music.  They both are badass-but-not-really.  Nicki actually champions mainstream causes like female self-empowerment.  And Adam dating 1 victoria secret model after another?  The height of craving of social acceptance.  Badass that is not.

    Finally, just thought I’d point out that Carson Daly was famous before Ryan Seacrest.  Carson was a mainstay on various MTV programs, including TRL, since the mid 90s.  Anyone in the 25-40 age bracket knew who Carson Daly was before they ever heard of Seacrest.  Plus, they both have launched multi-media empires, hosting radio shows, late night programs, producing holiday specials, getting into entertainment news and gossip.  But hats off to Seacrest on this one – his empire is the modern day equivalent of Dick Clark.

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    Thank you. This rivalry between these three shows has just become silly. I really don’t care anymore which show is better. I just care to find decent talent out of any of them. Do I find Idol the best format? Yes. But that’s about it. Despite the best track record, Idol can annoy me just as much as The Voice and X-Factor. 

  • twodollars

    That fact about Christina is certainly not true. The 2nd top selling solo artist behind Madonna during the 2000s in the world is Britney Spears followed by Shakira.

    Estimated Britney Spears WW Album Sales during 2000s*:76mm

    Estimated Shakira’s WW Album Sales during 2000s: 47mm

    Estimated Christina’s WW Album Sales during 2000s*: 38mm

    *Note: Gave Christina and Britney Spears credit for all of thier solo album’s sales even though it was released in 1999 and a large portion of the sales happened in the 1990s. If you take out 1/2 of those sales from each, you get:

    Britney – 61mm, Shakira 46mm, Christina Aguilera 30mm. It’s not even close.

    Even if you buy the inflated sales figure of Christina’s 50mm albums WW, Shakira’s label claims an inflated 70mm albums WW and Britney’s probably claims an inflated 90mm.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    My comment was:

    Aguilera is the second top selling single artist of the 2000s behind Madonna.

    This fact is certainly true:

    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/decadeendcharts/2009/singles-sales-artists

  • Tera2

     

    I think it’s their rightfully earned credit. They (the producers) not
    only decided Jennifer had the talent to go onto the Hollywood rounds,
    they gave her a shot when the voting audience did not.  Jennifer was a
    wild card pick. There is a lot of revisionist history regarding her time
    on the show. She did not come into her own until Elton John week when
    she sang, “Circle of Life.” Before that, she was in the bottom 2/3 at
    least twice. Her attitude rubbed many viewers the wrong way,
    particularly when Amy Adams offered her hand to her during Top 12 week
    when Amy and JHud were in the bottom 2, and Jennifer rejected her.
     That’s not Idol’s fault. Also, in response to someone farther up
    thread, Idol most certainly did not “kick JHud off the show.” If
    anything, they promoted her as one of the “three divas” they hoped would
    make the finale. The viewers, however, had different ideas. It
    certainly wasn’t for lack of trying on the producers part that JHud
    didn’t make the top 3 or 4. I’ve never understood the resentment towards
    Idol on the part of Jennifer’s fans. Would she have made it without the
    exposure from Idol? We’ll never know. It doesn’t matter, really. She’s a
    success, and Idol has every right to claim her as one of their own.

    That’s your take on it.  Jennifer Hudson was my top favorite from the start, and I liked Diana Degamo and Amy Adams too, and I still remember how frustrating it was to see Simon always trying to derail Jennifer cause he saw her as threat to Fantasia who he wanted to win. She was good from the start and shouldn’t have needed a wildcard.  And the producers were not trying to give her a boost or trying to get her to the finale as you claim.  Those they gave any boost were Fantasia and Latoya London.  Simon was trying to undermine Jeniffer the most until she got kicked off, and he tried to underrate both Diana Degamo and Amy Adams a bit too. 

    In the early seasons it wasnt easy for people to see through how the show tried to get people kicked off, but more people see through it now.  Being that those 3 that I liked were getting unfair treatment I saw through the bias then.   I think Idol gave Jennifer the platform to be discovered but it was her own tenacity that got her to be a star.  I’m glad to see she is one of the success story cause back then on the idol board many idol fans were bashing her, and there were few of us who didn’t have a problem rooting for her that season.

  • Latin2

    Kelly is one of my favorite singers, but relevancy doesn’t trump an
    artist who has the track record that Christina has. Aguilera is the
    second top selling single artist of the 2000

    That could be true, but Christiana is not a contestant of the show, she is a judge. Kelly Clarkson was an Idol contestant. That goes back to one of my earlier points that the difference between AI and the Voice is that on the Voice the focus seems to be more about the judges and the premise is the judge’s battle than on the contestants, while on previous Idol shows the focus was more on the contestants…Who knows what is going to happen now Idol has Mariah/Nikki and Keith.

  • fantoo1

    Couldn’t Christina also be compared to JLo due to the fact they are also Latin singers?

  • Tera2

     Yeah, Idol is like the gold standard, but the light is starting to dim on the singing shows to me cause of we aren’t discovering successful stars like Carrie, Kelly, Jennifer Hudson, Daughtry and even Jordin Sparks.  What I like is seeing music talent shows discover stars who can be on the charts, or even doing well in other media forms like Kat Mcphee.  Shows like the The Voice has made it ok to not expect much from the contestants after the show is over – which is why I dont care if I miss the Voice.  And x-factor can’t seem to get it right agin this season, and already eliminated those who have potential to be stars and on pop charts like Arin Ray and Paige, and now left with a kid and an aging country singer for top spot.  And the poor X-factorUSA contestants don’t even get to go on tour like idol.  Which is sad for them and makes x-factor seem less legitimate in USA

    I’ve watched american idol from day one and I like music shows, but I’m starting to feel like I’m wasting time rooting for the contestants and the shows.  Its nice to see Kelly and Carrie become big stars and some of my top favorites like Jennifer Hudson, Daughtry, Kat Mcphee, Jordin, Adam and Kris Allen have had success too, but doesnt seem like we gonna be discovering major stars the way the show is going.  Its like its more about giving a boost to career of judges who are already stars now and it makes me less enthusiastic.

  • Latin2

     That is true, but both Christina and J-Lo were judges, not contestants on the show.

  • Latin2

    I think the Idol tour really does help the contestants and the show. This could be one of the big problems with both the Voice and XFUSA. It is like a continuation of the show that extends Idol through the summer.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    The OP I directed my comment to had compared Kelly and Christina by referring to who was the most “relevant”. I wasn’t comparing a judge to a contestant, just simply making an observation that some artists have earned a level of respect that goes beyond being ~relevant or not. Christina has over a decade of #1 songs, 17 Grammy nominations and has sold 50 million albums.

    I’ve made the same type of comment in the past about Nicki Minaj being more “relevant” than Mariah Carey.

  • fantoo1

    Phillip and Scotty are already off to a great start. You don’t have to be a “superstar” to have a successful career. Scotty is very well known by country fans, and Phillip is on the right track so far with the success of Home.

  • Anny_nanny

    I do not understand how Christina “mixed-race”, but you know better.

    “Would he have won XFUS? Heck no. Maybe top 6 at best.”
    I find it funny that Phillip won on a real “x-factor”, but I don’t see any x-factor in Melanie. Nonsense?

  • Latin2

     Imagine someone like PHillip Phillips on XFUSA? He would’ve not made the 1st round on that show, or even the battle rounds of the Voice.

    Could you picture P2 with lights flashing all around?

  • Anny_nanny

    To Latin2:
    He would have passed high in the XF never. And so I do not understand the essence of this show and snobbery Simon when he says that they “are looking for alums with the x-factor”. Where?
    They were satisfied with the sob-show and cut out the most interesting of the contestants. THEMSELVES. They can’t blame for their mistakes only audience.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “(In fact, Byrd takes credit for recommending Jennifer to play
    Effie for the film version of ?Dreamgirls.? She said they called her
    first to ask about Frenchie Davis or Fantasia. ?The casting person had
    no idea who Jennifer was,? she recalled.? She was not on their radar.?)  

    Someone else with ninja web skills may be able to find it – but the
    circumstances don’t appear to warrant much credit to Idol, the show.
    Just a little nod, they were on her resume, so the casting agency
    checked her references…but Byrd was the person who counted there.”

    Thanks, Incipit. I wasn’t aware of Byrd’s key role in Jennifer getting her foot in the door to audition for Dreamgirls, and always assumed that her appearance on Idol was responsible for her breakout role. A good example of how one never knows when making a great impression is going to impact a person’s life and career.

  • suenigma

    Jake, as far as I know only Taylor and Lee were dropped after their first album. I wouldnt call 2 out of 11 “many”.

  • Incipit

    only Taylor and Lee were dropped after their first album. I wouldnt call 2 out of 11 “many”.

    As suenigmapoints out – Idol’s score so far for ‘dropped after their first record’ is 2 out of 11, which really doesn’t qualify for ‘many’.

    OTOH – XFUK has dropped 3 of the 8 winners so far after their first album, Jake Williams, starting with their first winner:

    2004 – Steve Brookstein – dropped eight months after his win.
    2007 – Leon Jackson – dropped in March 2009 after his debut album.
    2009 – Joe McElderry – dropped sixteen months after winning.

    A NumberNerd can figure the percentages there – ‘many’ being such a nebulous word.

    Make no mistake – neither show has any high ground here – but the factual numbers for the specific example you used are not in XFUK’s favor.

  • chillj

    Yeah, Andy Warhol works, although the name may be a little esoteric for The Dawg.  

  • http://twitter.com/happylittlefish Amy Beth

    AI’s biggest competition isn’t the other singing shows. It’s the memory of AI in its earlier glory days.

    AI’s problem isn’t that it can’t market bigger stars than the Voice and X Factor because it can. But it’s never again going to be show that everyone in the office talks about the next day. 

    I remember when there was an actual debate in the MSM about whether Fantasia deserved to be the “American Idol” b/c she was a single mother. Can you imagine that ever happening again? No way.

  • elliegrll

    Shouldn’t Matt Cardle be on that list?

  • justmefornow

    You hit the nail on the head.
     
    Scotty is doing well in the country genre, but he’s not really that well known outside of it yet. P2 is doing well so far, but lets face it, the dude was extremely lucky with “Home” and the way that played out from the Oympics on.
    It remains to be seen how long lasting their success will be. I wish them both well, don’t get me wrong, but the days of the Kellys, Carrries and Daughtrys are probably over for good from a show going into it’s 12 season.

    That’s just the reality.

  • Montavilla

    AI’s problem isn’t that it can’t market bigger stars than the Voice and X Factor because it can. But it’s never again going to be show that everyone in the office talks about the next day.

    Maybe the producers are hoping that Nicki Minaj and her cray-cray will bring back the watercooler moments. :P

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I don’t consider anyone from any reality show, including Idol, having “made it” (established themselves with the non-Idol public) until the success of their sophomore album is known.  It remains to be seen if Scotty and P2 will have lasting careers.

  • Incipit

    As I remember, the produces of Dream Girls contacted AI/19, and asked them to recommend some former contestants for the role. Jennifer wasn’t the only person who Byrd recommended.

    It could be so, elliegrll, since Byrd said they asked her about Fantasia and Frenchie Davis in the interview – but I didn’t find any quotes for that scenario. Relying just on my memory, I had forgotten about the other two singers until I re-read the quote.

    Matt Cardle was the first to have a joint deal with Syco and Columbia – but he did have a second album before he parted ways with both of them, about 3 months apart – so he didn’t exactly fit the criteria. IMO.

    I think the only winners XFUK has left, still signed to Syco, are Leona Lewis and Little Mix. But that could change too.

  • Mateja Praznik

    On the contrary Idol summer tour is not helping those that get signed to major labels after the show and are expected to release their albums six months after the show. It would be much better if those few could spend that summer in the studio, working on those albums. I’m sure it’s a great experience for those that don’t get major label deals.

  • Emmuzka

    that was a nice, slow paced promo piece. I’m kinda waiting for an action packed piece to go with it, as this was the most focused on the outcome of the contest (the only thing that AI can truly brag about nowadays). What they also need is to remind the viewers on how entertaining the show is. 

  • Nadine_Bitch

    If sales outside US doesn’t matter then FYE never sold a million. But if it matters then it was 4 Million actually;)

  • twodollars

     Oh, you meant singles artist. Single artist and singles artist mean two very different things. And that chart is for US only and only goes through 2009. So, Christina is the 2nd most successful singles artist in the US from 2000-2009. If you were to open that up to all of the 2000s and include WW sales, Christina wouldn’t be anywhere near the top 5.

    As for the 50mm WW for Christina, if you take that at face value then you have to take the 70mm WW for Shakira and the 90mm WW for Britney. Christina has been successful, but both Shakira and Britney have been more successful than her. And unlike Christina, Shakira and Britney are still selling millions WW with their latest albums and can sell out huge WW tours. Christina hasn’t had a successful album since 2006 and had to cancel her last tour due to poor attendance.

    I like Christina more than I like Britney, but she simply hasn’t been all that successful since the Stripped era in 2002-03. She’s been coasting on that success for a long time.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Look, I like AI’s format the best (and joked around about it earlier) but some of the bragging is a bit OTT to me, in the sense that while AI is the most successful of the 3 at launching careers that’s a bit like being the most successful shit thrower at the cowpie factory… and you’re the only person competing against the cows. It really is sold as a vehicle to find highly successful mainstream recording artists and after 12 years there are only 2 highly visible, LASTING people – Kelly & Carrie. Now when you scratch past that surface you find people steadily doing well in markets not as visible (Fanny & Mandisa) or people who had a relatively short but incredible run (Clay & Daughtry) or have had some music career on a smaller scale (Pickles, Gracin, Rueben, Bucky) or have success outside of selling records (JHud, Constantine & McPhee).. and all that is great, but it is not what the premise of the show is based on. Unfair or no, in lots of people’s minds this show is supposed to churn out folks who will be at the Grammys every year and have big hit records for a very long time. And it doesn’t do that, hence the perception that the show is passe.

    And the even bigger elephant in the room… whatever track record this show had launching lasting visible careers seemed to stop around seasons 6/7. Since then it has churned out people who have a successful first album then turn around tank hard the second. Some of them had big hits, some had big album sales, some had successful tours, some had critical acclaim, but none can sell that second album. It’s even launched people who have smaller scale success in the year following Idol but even they can’t keep that modest level going two or so years out. Its okay, everybody continues to work and search for their niche, but to the general public these people have completely disappeared. We’re still waiting to see what happens to Scotty & Phil but honestly is there any reason to think it won’t happen to them too? Who the hell knows. I hope they do last but I’m not holding my breath.

    The bottom line is the most visible, well known AI people out there working in the industry are 1. People who competed on the show over 5 years ago and 2. People enjoying what folks assume is their “1 1/2 years of success before obscurity”. Yes it does better than the other shows of at least getting someone to sell something from that first album, but honestly the track record lately is not so wonderful IMO.

    Yes, my name is tinawina, and I am your wet blanket for today. :(

  • ptebwwong

    I watch Idol, The Voice, & XF. But they are pros & cons to all of them. Idol is still my favorite. But I have gripes about it, but I do for the other 2 shows.

    Idol will always to me be the standard for talent competitions. They just know how to market the contestants usually post-show The Voice is the “cool show” now. But their post-show sales & marketing needs to be fixed for the contestants. Currently, it doesn’t matter that they don’t sell. But I don’t think that they can keep going for example 7+ years with all flop contestants. At some point it does matter especially if Idol is still on & still producing winners that at least usually sell their debut albums.

  • girlygirltoo

    Wasn’t Matt Cardle dropped by his label after his first album? I thought I read that on here.

  • girlygirltoo

    Where do you get that figure? The last press release I saw from RCA claimed that FYE had sold about 2 million worldwide.

  • girlygirltoo

    Hopefully Scotty and Phillip will turn around the recent lack of long-term success. The signs for Scotty having good sales for album #2 are there — he is still getting a ton of promo in the country music community, and he does seem to have respect as a country artist rather than just as a reality show contestant. It may depend on how his first single off album #2 does, but right at the moment I’d guess that his sales are not going to drop way off.

  • fantoo1

    I know a lot of people only use Kelly and Carrie as idol’s only superstars, but what about Daughtry? His first two albums went multiplatinum and platinum. Just because he isn’t doing as well now doesn’t mean he was never a superstar. Eventually Kelly and Carrie won’t be selling like they are now. It happens. It’s like saying Christina Aguilera isn’t a star just because her last few albums haven’t done as well. You can’t change history, and Daughtry is one of idols stars even if he isn’t as relevant now.

    I also think we should wait and see how the UMG/interscope era works for the Season 10 and 11 winners sophomore albums. They may try to work things differently for Scotty and Phillip’s 2nd albums compared to Sony/RCA. We can argue that Sony isn’t invested in the idols anymore, so that is why we are seeing people like Adam Lambert, David Cook, Kris Allen, Kellie Pickler, and Daughtry struggling a little more this era.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    I think the prior poster was confusing track sales for album sales.  The 2 million figure was indeed worldwide sales for FYE the album – still nothing to sneeze at!

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Yes, thank you. I just came from work and a little bit exhausted.lol
    2 million for Album sales and 4 for singles. Thank god I didn’t say billion;)

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    The signs for Scotty having good sales for album #2 are there — he is
    still getting a ton of promo in the country music community, and he does
    seem to have respect as a country artist rather than just as a reality
    show contestant. It may depend on how his first single off album #2
    does, but right at the moment I’d guess that his sales are not going to
    drop way off.

    I hope you are correct. I just feel jaded because we’ve been here before. Jordin had a string of huge hits, including the lead single of her second album. Cook was set to become a Fanny-level success at HAC. Adam had a worldwide hit, a very successful tour and tons of buzz and relevance. None of it mattered for any of them, just like Archie’s and Kris’ more modest but very real success didn’t matter for them long term. Idol’s been throwing all kinds of genres at the wall lately, and no one is sticking. Or at least that’s what it feels like to me.

    I know a lot of people only use Kelly and Carrie as idol’s only
    superstars, but what about Daughtry? His first two albums went
    multiplatinum and platinum. Just because he isn’t doing as well now
    doesn’t mean he was never a superstar. Eventually Kelly and Carrie won’t
    be selling like they are now. It happens. It’s like saying Christina
    Aguilera isn’t a star just because her last few albums haven’t done as
    well. You can’t change history, and Daughtry is one of idols stars even
    if he isn’t as relevant now.

    I also think we should wait and see how the UMG/interscope era works
    for the Season 10 and 11 winners sophomore albums. They may try to work
    things differently for Scotty and Phillip’s 2nd albums compared to
    Sony/RCA.

    I didn’t say Daughtry was never a star, I said he had an incredible run that appears to be over now. Maybe he’ll stage a comeback.

    Yes, hope is that UMG has some kind of magic formula up their sleeve. Both Scotty and Phil are nice guys and it would be great to see them stick around. But like I said, recent events have me pretty jaded. I would feel better about Scotty if he had managed an actual big country hit or two. But we’ll see how it all shakes out. Fingers crossed.

  • Reflects On Life

    “I do not understand how Christina “mixed-race”, but you know better.”
    Christina has one white non-hispanic parent and one hispanic parent.

    “Would he have won XFUS? Heck no. Maybe top 6 at best.”I find it funny that Phillip won on a real “x-factor”, but I don’t see any x-factor in Melanie. Nonsense?”

    I don’t think we are in disagreement here, unless I don’t get your point.  P2 definitely has some it-factor (whether it’s an x-factor remains to be seen).  The AI show and its audience recognized it, took him to the winner’s slot, and launched him with a very successful single.  No way this would have happened on XFUS, and on The Voice, even if he had won (which he wouldn’t have), there’s no Jimmy Iovine there, so there would have been no “Home” single awaiting him. 

    By contrast, have you listened to Javier’s post-Voice album (winner of the 1st season)?  The material is so painfully boring and unimaginative.  Even though Javier has the vocal chops and the artistry to do a million times better.  It is clear that The Voice’s achilles heel is that they aren’t associated with any good starmakers ala Jimmy Iovine – people who have access to the best producers, people who get sent really good original songs (like Home) days after they are written and scored.

    And P2’s case is a textbook reason for why to watch AI over the Voice or XFUS – if you want to watch a burdgeoning (sp?) career from its infancy, your best bet to do this is AI, still.

  • Mateja Praznik

    “I do not understand how Christina “mixed-race”, but you know better.”
    Christina has one white non-hispanic parent and one hispanic parent.

    Hispanic isn’t a race. Christina Aguilera is white.

  • blackberryharvest

    Its not really a fact though, it all depends if they can establish themselves and get lucky with some radio hits.

  • blackberryharvest

    I think its a good consolation prize for those who make the top 10. It also gives the fans of the contestants something fun to do.

  • mmb

    See I disagree that there was any expectation ever, at any time, that Idol or other shows of its ilk would crank out lasting, grammy nominated artists with long careers. In fact, I recall being pretty stunned when Kelly Clarkson actually started getting played regularly on the radio. The fact that Idol has spawned two such artists is nothing short of extraordinary. kelly and Carrie’s careers are extraordinary, the exception rather than the rule in the recording industry.   Idol’s track record is similar to — probably better actually — a mainstream record label’s in terms of finding new and lasting talent.  Look at any major label roster — there are a handful of currently relevant big star recording artists with multiple hits, some legacy artists, some artists with a hit or two who might disappear or might hit again, brand new artists on their first release who might get a hit or might not, etc. etc. No major label roster is just filled only with artists who have or will have long, prosperous, relevant and critically acclaimed careers. And that is exactly what Idol has among its alumni.  Two highly visible artists with careers spanning 7-10 years that are still core radio artists (Carrie/Kelly).  A few artists who had mega successful albums and/or hits early in their career but whose sound has fallen out of favor and are no longer selling as well (Clay, Daughtry).  A few artists who have done  well in a non-mainstream genre (Tasia, J Hud, Mandisa). A few artists who had a big hit or two or album but who have struggled post debut era (Cook, Kris, Elliott, Archie).  A few artists “in between”  who have had hits and/or successful albums, although not currently, but who are still highly visible and get good promo opportunities, critical plaudits etc (jordin, adam). Brand new artists on their first hit eras (P2, Scotty). And some artists whose careers never really got off the ground.  (This list and the examples given are not meant to be exhaustive, other alums fit into those categories, I was just giving examples, this is just my opinion…)  That is and has always been the story of the music industry. That Idol alums have done as well as they have is a credit to the show and the format.

  • Reflects On Life

    .Hey, Wet Noodle! :)
    Let me attempt to re-revise some revisionist history. ;)
    I think the conventional wisdom during AI1 was that people would buy the album based on its being a product of this wonderful feel-good summertime show.  I loved the first season, enjoyed Kelly, Justin, Tamyra, Christina, and still remember kids like Ryan, Nikki, and AJ(?). I bought the first album because I enjoyed Kelly and to support the show.  I figured Kelly would ride that album and enjoy 1.5 years of relevancy.

    Then when AI2 came out and it became clear that this would be an annual show, I thought that there’s no way any winner could enjoy more than 1.5 yrs of relevancy, since the show would be churning out 1 a year.

    Plus, remember that the early 2000s was a bustling time of exciting inventive music, with people having exciting but shortlived careers of about 1.5 yrs relevancy but with many years of either goodwill or niche market focus thereafter to sustain their careers (OutKast and Marc Anthony are prime examples).  So 1.5 yrs was not considered a failure by any means.

    The only thing that up-ended that expectation was Kelly herself.  She broke past being an AI winner, fought for a second album with a sound that was much more current & relevant, and went gangbusters as an artist in her own right.  Sure, AI got her to that point, but Kelly took it to the next level due to her own determination and vision.

    So, I guess what I’m trying to say is, it wasn’t AI1 that set the expectation that each winner would be a mega superstar dominating the charts and the grammy awards for the next decade.  It was Kelly’s career, being the first winner and achieving the mega-stardom and accolades/awards that she did, that set that bar for the AI audience to expect that level of greatness from every single winner. 

  • blackberryharvest

     

    And the even bigger elephant in the room… whatever track record this
    show had launching lasting visible careers seemed to stop around seasons
    6/7. Since then it has churned out people who have a successful first
    album then turn around tank hard the second. Some of them had big hits,
    some had big album sales, some had successful tours, some had critical
    acclaim, but none can sell that second album. It’s even launched people
    who have smaller scale success in the year following Idol but even they
    can’t keep that modest level going two or so years out. Its okay,
    everybody continues to work and search for their niche, but to the
    general public these people have completely disappeared. We’re still
    waiting to see what happens to Scotty & Phil but honestly is there
    any reason to think it won’t happen to them too? Who the hell knows. I
    hope they do last but I’m not holding my breath.

    Someone else made a good point about the whole Sony/RCA not being invested in the idols anymore thing. Wouldn’t some of the recent struggles of the sophomore albums have more to do with RCA not being invested in the idol contestants anymore? In the pre-Season 10 era, we always saw “Sophomore slumps” but a lot of the times it didn’t affect their presence on the radio or it didn’t hurt their careers. Pickler sold less on her 2nd album, but she also had her biggest hit on it so far in her career(Best Days Of Your Life). Jordin’s 2nd album also sold way less, but she at least still had a hit with the song Battlefield. The sophomore slumps we used to see aren’t nearly as we see now-and I think it has a lot to do with Sony not being invested in the idols.

  • Reflects On Life

    “I do not understand how Christina “mixed-race”, but you know better.”Christina has one white non-hispanic parent and one hispanic parent.

    Hispanic isn’t a race. Christina Aguilera is white.

    In the USA and on our census forms, college applications, etc., Hispanic is treated as a race.  Hispanic is different from White here.  Ask any Hispanic.  It’s ridiculous, but it is what it is.  Race is ultimately a social construct, there’s no reality to it, it’s entirely subjective, and it’s treated differently in different cultures & countries.

  • Mateja Praznik

     Yeah. It’s a great consolation prize for those that make the TOP 10, but don’t get signed. However, those few that do get signed by a major label, are just wasting their precious time on that tour. I’m sure that the tour is fun for the fans, but I would still prefer to get a solid album with a nice number of potential singles in the fall from my favorite. Paula Abdul spoke about this in a recent interview, she also thinks that Idol summer tour is not good for signed finalists.

    I admit I mostly listen to recorded music, I don’t care much about concerts. I understand that touring is where the money is made for artists, but I hate it when my favorite artists waste too much time on tour.

  • Mateja Praznik

     I don’t care if Hispanic is treated as a race in the USA. It’s not a race, it’s panethnicity. Christina Aguilera is clearly white, just like I am. I’m Slavic.

  • Reflects On Life

    You may not care, but the USA cares, and in the context of this discussion, it’s about reality shows in the USA, so the perception of race within the USA (the producers and the audience) is what matters.

    Whether Christina would be considered mixedrace or not in other countries is good-to-know but irrelevant to the discussion.

    Besides, my original point was that AI hired Mariah to fill the Singer’s Slot that the Voice USA originated with Christina.  Before Mariah, AI had lip syncers (Paula & JLo) but not bona-fide Singers (i.e. technically proficient with amazing vocal ranges) on their panel. The fact that both are mixed-race is an added similarity but really was just a point of trivia.  The racial makeup of each does not deter from the fact that both are Singers of their Generation (TM) and that’s that slot that AI was filling by hiring Mariah.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Holy Moly I got alot of responses here. :)
    mmb

    See
    I disagree that there was any expectation ever, at any time, that Idol
    or other shows of its ilk would crank out lasting, grammy nominated
    artists with long careers.

    I could not possibly disagree more. Maybe at first when the general public didn’t quite know what the show was, even though Idol SAID it was looking for a pop superstar at the time. But for a long time now, the biggest complaint about Idol (out there in the world, not the blogosphere) was that it doesn’t produce relevant artists anymore, that the alums are corny and cookie cutter and manufactured, and there’s no point if we aren’t going to get stars out of it. I would say the biggest expectation is that the winners (or at least the runner up) will produce relevant music that gets played regularly on some radio station somewhere, while the HOPE is that they won’t be manufactured or corny. To the degree Idol has fallen short of that goal is to the degree the show is increasingly seen as irrelevant IMO.

    That Idol alums have done as well as they have is a credit to the show and the format.

    Do I personally agree with that? Yes, and I have argued on here many times that the fact the top 2 from any given season don’t have to go get a day job for years and years is pretty darn amazing. But do I believe the general public feels that way? Not even close.

    Reflects On Life

    So, I guess what I’m trying to say is, it wasn’t AI1 that set the expectation that each winner would be a mega superstar dominating the charts and the grammy awards for the next decade.  It was Kelly’s career, being the first winner and achieving the mega-stardom and accolades/awards that she did, that set that bar for the AI audience to
    expect that level of greatness from every single winner.

    I would argue that the show did indeed try to set that expectation from the beginning, but no one believed them at first. But what does it matter? Its out there now, and Idol ain’t doing it in the eyes of most of the public.

    If anything, Idol had trended away from the souvenir album thing, but now is back there again and it adds to the perception that these alums are disposable, flavor-of-the-month label creations. I don’t agree with that but I truly belive that is the overall perception.

    blackberryharvest

    Someone else made a good point about the whole Sony/RCA not being invested in the idols anymore thing. Wouldn’t some of the recent struggles of the sophomore albums have more to do with RCA not being invested in the idol contestants anymore?

    I think that probably explains Lee and perhaps Archie and Kris. But I do believe Jordin, Cook and Adam got a fair amount of support from Sony. But it is possible Sony was just not as good at it as Interscope, since RCA/Sony did pick some horrific singles. But then again Scotty’s singles were cringe worthy too. Heh.And really, the Idol fans disappear big time for album number 2. Those that stick around generally show up that first week or two, but after that the albums plunge into nothingness.

  • Reflects On Life

    I totally agree with your point about the signed artists having to tour being at a detriment to their first album offering.  The whole point per tinawina is that the first album be modern, amazing, and relevant, and that takes time and care.  I don’t know what the solution is, other than to maybe delay the entire tour until the fall, giving all the tourers time to cut LPs or at least EPs, as well as time to rest their voices a bit before the tour.

  • hellomusicgirl

    I may be in the minority with this opinion here on the blog but I think that most people who watch AI don’t really care how many albums that guy from last season sold. They aren’t sitting around comparing ongoing careers of Idol alums to Voice alums or even early season Idol alums to more recent in deciding whether or not to watch the show.

    I think most viewers are just watching the show for the moment. Idol has produced lots of those and continues to. Yes, overall viewers are down. Its an older show. Its also a different landscape from when Idol was pretty much the only game in town. Not only other singing shows but Netflix, YT, and tons of other things.

    I watch Idol still. It was what got me hooked on singing shows. I also watch the Voice and X Factor (although XF is pretty ridic this season). People just want to be entertained. 

    Its awesome that Idol has had the success they’ve had and they’ve given us some great artists but I don’t think the show’s continued success depends on how many albums Carrie Underwood or Justin Guarini have sold or continue to sell. It sounds nice to list alumni successes in a promo clip but I don’t think that’s why people tune in. That’s just imho though.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    As for the 50mm WW for Christina, if you take that at face value then you have to take the 70mm WW for Shakira and the 90mm WW for Britney

    That’s fine by me. Yay for Shakira, Britney and Christina!  

    I still don’t know what this has to do with the OP’s comparison of Kelly and Christina and my comment that followed. The original comment was about the importance of being “relevant” when comparing Kelly and Christina. There never was a comparison or any kind of ~contest mentioned between the three you have posted about. I’m not sure what this information has to do with the OP or with my response to that post.

    Good for all three of these amazing artists you listed, they are the definitions of Worldwide Superstars!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I may be in the minority with this opinion here on the blog but I think that most people who watch AI don’t really care how many albums that guy from last season sold.

    They DON’T CARE AT ALL, which makes this whole discussion here absurdly ridiculous. LMFAO.

    Idol won’t conquer a single viewer because Home sold 3 million copies.

  • blackberryharvest

    A lot of people do care, all the time I will hear people say “American Idol sucks now, nobody does anything after the show!” And then they go on and watch The Voice LOL.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I don’t hear anyone saying that stopped watching the show just because there are unsuccessful winners, but if you hear, good for you. 

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    A lot of people do care, all the time I will hear people say “American
    Idol sucks now, nobody does anything after the show!” And then they go
    on and watch The Voice LOL.

    LMAO Exactly. When I first started watching this show I did it in part because I moved away from home, and all my fam & friends back there were watching. It gave us something to talk about. But now almost all of them say that, even the few who still watch.

    Season 9 I was living in Ohio not far from where a few of the contestants were raised, and Idol came up a lot that year in casual convo. I heard a ton of “what’s the point, those people go on to be nobodies, what ever happened to whatshisname anyway”.. and “who watches that corny show anymore, the wrong people always win”. blah blah blah. Once I was sitting in a grad class and one guy said he knew Lee and was watching to root for him, and the whole class looked at him like he grew 3 heads. LMAO.

    Not to mention, every year the media speculates on whether the latest winner can “revive the show” and “make it relevant again”.

    Even my MIL, who still watches, complains that “they only make stars out of Kelly Clarkson, Tamyra was way better but they didn’t back her right, they still buy hits for Kelly”. (Umm.. what?)

    I think its silly but there are people who care. But no I don’t think they’d come back if Idol did produce a new big lasting star frankly. But that doesn’t matter.. the lack of a newer crop of actual lasting stars just contributes to the idea that the show is corny and passe, and the alums are not actually talented.

  • justmefornow

    Ding! Ding! Ding! Give that man a prize!. Exactly!
    (That’s why they call it “the bubble”) lol

    Most people don’t give a sh*t at all.

  • Blou38

    Love it that all of my favorite Idols are listed.*heart*

  • mchcat

    I think the Idol tour gives all the top 10 the chance to hone performance skills.  They learn how to sing to an audience, not a tv camera, move, meet and greet, time management, and many more that I couln’t even guess at. 

  • Incipit

    Perception of the show…OK, that’s a wide field – but what I hear isn’t about what contestants do afterwards; with few exceptions, no one cares…they forget about them all when the season is over. People just want to be entertained with interesting approaches to the songs and good vocals. They also prefer when judges actually ‘judge’.

    The complaint lately, and the reason I don’t watch Idol on TV anymore either, is that the contestants don’t do anything “cool” anymore…people outside the Bubble don’t see that Idol has moved to casting children very young people without giving them good songs to chose from, songs one could believe coming out of their mouths, and has clamped down on the control factor, so the creative moments are scarce to none – they just byotch about the kids who are too young to know what they are singing about, and the song choices with no surprises in the bunch.

    Generalizations, perhaps – but I can’t argue with that – I feel essentially the same way.

  • fantoo1

    I think a lot of the young contestants over the years(and even the past few years) have been talented AND sound believable when they sing-someone like Scotty or Jessica can definitely sell a song. I also think there was more “creativity” this last season compared to 10. Jimmy doesn’t have as much influence on the songs/creativity as people seem to think. It’s hard to please the haters/complainers, really.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I have to admit I have never once heard “the contestants are too young.” in RL. But you did remind me of the major bitchfests I forgot in my corner of the beyond the blogosphere world: “The show sucks without Simon/the judges are too nice”. Heh.

    Anyway, back to my main point.

    I have no faith that any of these people will have a career that lasts beyond one successful album era. I would like to be pleasantly surprised by Interscope, however. I think the show will continue to be the “kinda corny karaoke show ” for the forseeable future. The end.

  • blackberryharvest

    For all those people who claim they miss Simon, the ratings on the X Factor sure haven’t proved that…

    I don’t think there’s no reason for them not to build a successful career outside of the first album-it all depends on if the label, management, radio, and fans are willing to put their work and energy to make them happen. I am impressed with Scotty’s new management so far.

  • mchcat

    Scotty’s video came out today – Christmas Coming Around Again.

  • Incipit

    These are not “haters/complainers” fantoo1, they aren’t all that invested in AI – they are people who used to watch the show to be entertained, and they don’t anymore, because they are not entertained. Those are the reasons they give me.

    Tinawina, I suppose it would depend on the ages of one’s circle of friends, family or acquaintances, whether they would find the show less interesting with the recent tendency to cast youngsters…I don’t have any teens or twenty somethings around to ask…the people I did ask didn’t buy what the kids were selling. They don’t know from Jimmy’s influence – they just react to what they saw on TV, and they were disinterested with what they saw.

    But isn’t that exactly what Idol wanted? The point was to try to cater to a different audience with that casting, yes? Well, I can report mission accomplished with plenty of people I know. Even my youngest sister said she served her time at the nieces’ and nephews’ Talent Shows.

    Just a report on Perceptions of the Show in a small corner of the audience.

  • wordnerdarchie

    In regards to Hispanics and race, it has always been my understanding that it’s listed separately because they were an ethnic minority in the US and that there were many government programs that are relevant for them.  This also explains why there’s the separate listing on college applications as well.  The explanation given for listing it separately on the census form:

    Since the 1970 Census, the questionnaire has asked U.S. residents
    whether they are of Hispanic origin, and if so, which broad Hispanic
    group they identify with.  Hispanic origin is considered separately from race in the Census—and
    Hispanics may identify with any race. As the largest and fastest-growing
    ethnic minority in the United States, the information about Hispanic
    origin is of growing importance. It is used in numerous programs and for
    monitoring equal employment opportunities.

    http://www.prb.org/Articles/2009/questionnaire.aspx

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “But Randy is always a bit much, as spokesperson…maybe Andy Warhol instead of Picasso? *snerk*”

    lol I think that Warhol is even too hyperbolic. How about Thomas Kinkade? *bigger snerk*

  • http://twitter.com/bagel08 John S

    Its the other way around, the Voice is jealous of idol lol. Not all of the things idol does is about the Voice.

  • teekee

    Yes. Count me among the viewers who simply want to be entertained. While I am always happy when alums do well post show, their successes or failures don’t affect my enjoyment of the show. Never have I voted for someone because I thought they were going to be a star. For me it’s about what happens on the TV stage. It really is just television for me.

    BTW, when I say entertained, I don’t mean joke contestants. I’m talking real talents, bringing it to the stage to entertain me.

  • glennethph

    Star Search.

  • MollyAnnMay

    tinawina:But I do believe Jordin, Cook and Adam got a fair amount of support from Sony. But it is possible Sony was just not as good at it as Interscope, since RCA/Sony did pick some horrific singles.

    Sony/RCA got away with their crap A&Ring of Idol contestants and incredible tin ear for the type of singles that would help them succeed during the 1st era of most of their Idol signees because they were getting a free ride off contestants’ Idol popularity, which disguised what a piss poor job they did as a label. You’d think there’d be nowhere for RCA to hide during a 2nd era featuring their usual bad single choices, but oh, hey look, there they are, crouching behind the Idol contestants they screwed over, who got all the blame instead. ob topic, IMO Idol has a right to brag because they are simply a launching pad. Their part of the star-making machinery has functioned pretty well over the years, in a way that has not happened for the other shows, as yet. But after Idol, it’s up to the contestant, their management and most of all, the label, to be sure the platform provided by Idol gets something built on it that is sturdy and lasting and not a house of cards. Honestly, the best thing that has happened to Idol contestants is that Sony/RCA didn’t re-up with Idol. From what I’ve read here, I’ve come to think that post-Clive they had *zero* interest in the contestants and certainly no interest in A&Ring them correctly. They not only didn’t fight the creeping Idol cheese factor, they doubled down on it.In contrast, tinawina, I think it was you that noted that Interscope A&R’d the hell out of P2’s album. (If it wasn’t you, I apologize, but I do agree with whoever said that.) *That’s* how you make successful music artists, if you’re a major label. It’s hard work and requires commitment, investment and not only paying attention to the kind of music that is most authentic for the artist in question, but pushing that music forward in a way that best represents the artist. I don’t think Sony/RCA could be bothered to do any of those things, and it showed in their latter day, 2nd era bottom lines.

    tinawina: But then again Scotty’s singles were cringe worthy too.

    Sure, for his 1st era. But he was a popular winner, not saddled with a cover, at least, for his 1st single, and he rode the 1st era equation (bad singles + “fair” promo + free buzz + invested fans + casual fans + souvenir collectors = good sales) just fine. But he hasn’t had his 2nd era yet (where he, like all of them, loses the free buzz + casual fans + souvenir collectors part of the equation). (No, Christmas albums don’t count, IMO, as a 2nd era, though the buzz from one *might* compensate for a loss of free  Idol buzz. Didn’t work for Archie, but we’ll see. From what I’ve read, Scotty may have helped his chances for long-term success by the kind of touring he’s done more than by the Christmas album.)If Interscope recognizes that Scotty needs good singles to overcome the loss of free Idol buzz and souvenir collectors, he’ll be fine. If they don’t, well, he’ll have plenty of company on the 2nd era scrap heap. But back to the commercial above, that won’t be Idol’s fault.

    (I can blame Idol plenty for exploiting the hell out of the majority of these kids while they’re on the show, but not for providing the launching pad for those few who are good and/or lucky enough to do well. Or who are smart enough to take advantage of Idol right back.)

  • DragonFly

    Even tho I’m not fan-invested in some of the success stories of late, people will be impressed w/the #’s for HOME & Scotty–so AI will use the stories of course. 
    _______________
    Fans of particularly AI want the voices great, talent, straight-laced contestants/winners, but look around what “characters” (not all) are big stars & radio hits–the crazier the better for some.  Then fans here don’t want their “fave” to sell out to what’s popular (& no it wouldn’t be fun to watch) but what is the answer then.  –Not that radio would let them get recognized for it anyway–they want to handpick & (they) make Stars these days, not let it up to “Q-Public” Idol audiences.”…..the wrong people always win”. blah blah blah.”~~as some want to think it’s blah, blah–I think after 11 yrs, face it, it’s definitey not all about agreement in the end– some even throw their votes to a completely different person when their’s is eliminated.  Do you think people who throw their support or stop watching will be around to care if that end winner gets heard on the radio, or buy their music?–not likely.  Some ARE tired of some of the show’s endings.  It is a show about disappointment many times also.  Much of it is internet influenced now.  You can knock this b/c it’s just a  “cheesy show” but as fans here argue FOR YEARS–there is controversy that “irks” in the end for many.  ~~it’s been evidenced when some alums come back to entertain there is still some mighty fine reactions & some have felt real sales bumps so to imply alums are forgotten after their season is not always so.~~admittedly again, harder to become a Hit.  Will not agree there aren’t Idols with talent. 

  • http://twitter.com/bagel08 John S

    I personally think the fanwars between the three shows is annoying.

  • DragonFly

    Referring to Phillip’s Home song & Scotty’s sales as 2 diff # stories for AI of course.

  • ohreli

    There are years where Idol winners dont do well, so to be fair we really need to give XFactor and the Voice a few years slack to see if they can come up with any comparable stars. 

    But so far, yeah, I think Randy is right….