Phillip Phillips new single “Where We Came From” is now available for download! At iTunes, you can pre-order Phillip’s debut album, World From the Side of the Moon and/or download the single. Listen to snippets from the album HERE.

I downloaded it. I’m not sure if I would have picked this as the single? But, what do I know? One thing–this song isn’t the typical generic Idol fare. I can here this alongside “Home” on Adult Alternative radio. Hopefully UMG will push the single hard to radio.

Those dreaded “oooohs” Phillip said he didn’t much care for? There here.

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  • http://twitter.com/cheeseE1 EH

    I was pleasantly surprised when I listened to the whole song – love the intro! This one is never going to cross over to CHR, but I like it. I was afraid it was going to be really generic, but the lyrics and instrumentation save it, and it has minimal Phillip “strangled frog” voice. I love his voice when he stays in his comfortable range.  I won’t hold my breath for the Drake version, ha.

  • Incipit

    Those dreaded “oooohs” Phillip said he didn’t much care for? There here.

    Why does “They’re Here!” with a Horror movie intonation start playing in my head after reading that? I don’t even know which movie – just the “They’re Here!” part. Heh.

    I just want to hear it – I do ‘not’ want to own it – streaming anywhere? If not, that’s OK – no rush – it’ll show up somewhere, eventually.

  • lovesickheroine

    I love the song, it’s so catchy! It’s a nice follow up to Home, I hope it will burn up charts like Home did. I really wonder why Phillips, 19 and Interscope haven’t mention anything bout the release of this song.

  • durbesque

    I like it.  I’d like it even more without the Ohz.  But it’s only one sequence and it’s blessedly short, nothing like in ‘Home’.  I really like the chorus, long and hooky. 

  • girlygirltoo

    Sorry, but I think this song is very meh. I don’t think it’s catchy at all. Definitely geared to AAA radio, but will radio PDs jump all over this?. I don’t hear much of a hook. One of “Home” ‘s biggest assets is that it has a chorus everyone can sing along to. I don’t hear that in this song.

    But what do I know? I thought “Home” ‘s momentum would slow down once the Olympics ended. Instead, it has just kept going and going like that Energizer Bunny. So maybe this will appeal to AAA radio PDs.

  • maymay

    This song is very catchy. Its melody is sticking in my head. But it has zero promotion so far. Why would release it but not promote it ? too weird.

  • springboard2

    I think that it is released as an album track promoting the album rather than a single for now. I have come across this before, the song may or may not become a single.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wui-Zhuan-Lim/777616348 Wui Zhuan Lim

    Agree with springboard2.
    Single 2 won’t be announced till HOME has peaked,
    HOME hasn’t peaked at all in all the genres it charted!
    So, maybe we can expect another track to be released next week??

  • too-cool-for-school

    I like it but I don’t get a strong single vibe from it either. I thought that maybe ‘Gone, Gone, Gone’ would be single #2. It seems like one that radio would play and one that people would instantly like.. and it just sounds single-ish. More so than this one, but like mj said, what do I know?

    Side note; one of the real gems on the iTunes deluxe version is his ‘Wicked Game’ cover. I like the sound of it in the preview!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wui-Zhuan-Lim/777616348 Wui Zhuan Lim

     yes, Wicked Game is a pretty suprise for me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wui-Zhuan-Lim/777616348 Wui Zhuan Lim

    Based on the LONGER snippets in iTunes,
    no doubt people are gonna love it more. (except the haters, hehe just saying)
    Bonus songs are really better than expected, and we got something fresher to enjoy for the single “Home”, live version, interesting too.
     

  • lemonwuss

    It’s still not available in the Philippines..but i listen to the (longer) preview on itunes and i like it! it’s really 
    catchy.

  • jpfan2

    I like it. The hook is very catchy. It’s not genius like Home but I think it should be a decent follow up single. I like the into alot.

  • Anny_nanny

    Yes, TripleA #1 Home

  • fuzzywuzzy

    iTunes ranking:

    576. Phillip Phillips:  Where We Came From

    http://livepopbars.com/lpb1024.php

  • jpfan2

    Home has the 3rd biggest bullet on CHR!  Top 10 here we come on that format.
    Congrats on the Triple A #1. That has to be a first for Idol. ;0

  • Anny_nanny

    Now 494. It’s funny
     

  • fuzzywuzzy

    At that low ranking it doesn’t take many downloads to change a song’s ranking by a fair bit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wui-Zhuan-Lim/777616348 Wui Zhuan Lim

    Where We Came From
    IS FREAKING AWESOME!!!
    Listen the full song PEOPLE!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wui-Zhuan-Lim/777616348 Wui Zhuan Lim

    it’s #398 now. OH YEAH! prove them wrong

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wui-Zhuan-Lim/777616348 Wui Zhuan Lim

    and it’s #367 now.
    Deluxe album #96 on album chart
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wui-Zhuan-Lim/777616348 Wui Zhuan Lim

    and it’s #367 now.
    Deluxe album #83 on album chart

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wui-Zhuan-Lim/777616348 Wui Zhuan Lim

    and it’s #367 now.
    Deluxe album #91 on album chart
     

  • sitijulaiha

    #367 now. The sales number is probably just hundreds LOL.
    Of course Phillip hasn’t even tweeted it. Does he know?

  • jpfan2

    I know it’s fun to see it rise on iTunes but unless it hits the top 100, you’ll never actually know how many downloads the single sold. ;0

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wui-Zhuan-Lim/777616348 Wui Zhuan Lim

    i’m expecting thousands.. if top 50 later, well 10k please.
     

  • jpfan2

    All this week’s numbers will show is the size of P2′s Idol fanbase. No one else knows this song is for sale.

  • http://twitter.com/annmgee Ann Gardner

    I love it, Phillip is funky and quirky with this one. If you get a chance, listen  to the whole song, the snippet doesn’t do it justice. Definitely not generic. 

  • Jordana33

    Phillip Phillips really likes those strings of “oooohs”. The verses are average, but the chorus has a really nice hook, which might be enough to make the song do well.   

  • getaway1

    Phil’s in a weird situation in that he has a monster hit that continues to do very well.  So I understand why Where We Came From was chosen as the follow-up.  It is a book end to Home.

    Gone, Gone, Gone would have been the expected Idol song.  That will probably be the next single.  Another song that has a lot of potential is Hold On.

  • Anny_nanny

    I am agree. But I can’t buy on iTunes, I’m waiting for the album in the box.

    to jpfan2:
    They say, if they want. As I remember Colton sold ~28?.

  • maymay

    This song is too catchy to stop listening to it.

  • sitijulaiha

    No access to itunes, I’ll take your words for it. LOVE funky and quirky PP. Not a fan of Home myself and I hope this one sells well to show that he doesn’t have to do Mumford type songs to succeed.

  • jpfan2

    Idol Chatter can get numbers for country, gospel tracks. I’m not sure exactly what genre they’d put this in.  It doesn’t really matter because it’s way more important for the song to have longevity (like Home) than to follow the usual pattern for an Idol – good first week sales and then nothing.

  • Anny_nanny
  • justmefornow

    I listened to to the whole song. It’s pleasant enough, not really memorable though after it’s over. It’s not really my style of music, so I’m not the best judge, however, so what do I know, lol.
    I just checked itunes. The song hasn’t broken into the top 200 yet, but the album on pre-order is at 76. “Home” is at 9.
    Regardless, I wish him well with both.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Somehow, my day is more complete, now that I know what happens if Train and fun. are smashed into one another at high speed, obliterating a jay-walking Dave Matthews who happened to be in the way.

    It’s better than the snippet, though the verse and the chorus still seem to belong to two different songs and those “oooh ooooohs” are clearly a hostile invasion from Home. The beginning of the chorus is fairly hooky, before it collapses into an overload of syllables.

    Depending what else was on the radio, I wouldn’t necessarily change the station away from this song, but I wouldn’t stay in the car after parking to hear the end of it, either.

  • Jordana33

    Depending what else was on the radio, I wouldn’t necessarily change the station away from this song, but I wouldn’t stay in the car after parking to hear the end of it, either.

    You never know….it could end up having that Gotye song effect! LOL:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY4xE9rAY8k

  • TheOther

    I think that it is released as an album track promoting the album rather than a single for now. I have come across this before, the song may or may not become a single.

    Agree with springboard2.Single 2 won’t be announced till HOME has peaked,HOME hasn’t peaked at all in all the genres it charted!So, maybe we can expect another track to be released next week??

    Makes perfect sense.  Otherwise, Phillip will be competing with himself.  Fans have been bombarding him to tweet about the song.  He just responded that he will ready to play some new songs, soon, soon.

    Listening to the complete version, I love the song. I agree it is a has a very catch melody.

  • girlygirltoo

    Right at this moment, the deluxe version of the album is #62 on the overall iTunes album chart (standard version is not in the Top 1000) while this song, WWCF is #234 on the overall iTunes singles chart.

  • sitijulaiha

     thanks for the link. Sad to say I didn’t like it :( The verses were great but the chorus ruined it. This producer is not a good fit for PP.

  • Incipit

    Thanks, Anny_nanny. I was curious to hear more than the snippet….and where the all-purpose, sing-a-long “oooh ooooohs” that Phillip says he doesn’t care for fit in. Least I could do, after snarking on their appearance. Heh.

    Someone said this was classified under ‘Country’ – I suppose it’s the instrumentation – which suddenly disappears at the “oooh ooooohs”, and then comes back again…but I can certainly see why. I expected a ‘Twang’ to bust out, any minute there…it never quite did…but the ‘two different songs’ feel is largely from the “hostile invasion”(TY, Eilonwy), IMO.

    I would have to see a a lyric page – not really clear what it’s supposed to be about – that’s surprising – all the snippets I heard were extremely literal…but it wasn’t tracking for me – though I caught a reference to the sun AND the moon…

    Is this what Radio AAA sounds like now?

  • OffLeash

    I’ve been very vocal about my disappointment and my dislike of the snippet, but I must admit the snippet was misleading. I’m not blown away, but it’s not the pop lite dreck it threatened to be from the snippet either. I don’t see hit, but it’s an OK transition before the big one is released. GGG FTW! :)

    Only hardcore P2 fans know about this release today, so we’ll get a good idea of his hardcore Idol fanbase. Surprisingly small would be my guess, but P2 has been very good at reaching way beyond the bubble.

  • b_james

    Hmm.  Not a bad song, but no way is he going to have Home-level success.

  • thirdtime

    I agree about the chorus – I really like it except for the chorus which makes it sound like a typical Idol soft rocker debut album song to me.  Home had a more unique sound to it.  This song might end up doing decently, but I can’t see a song like this having been picked up by the Olympics or catching on like wildfire like Home did. 

  • OffLeash

    Yeah, the chorus ruins the song, and is too typical of the Idol crap we’re used to. And it was used for the snippet, that’s why I was sure I was gonna hate that song. The verses redeem it though, but the chorus is still too cheesy for my taste.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “It’s better than the snippet, though the verse and the chorus still seem
    to belong to two different songs and those “oooh ooooohs” are clearly a
    hostile invasion from Home. The beginning of the chorus is fairly
    hooky, before it collapses into an overload of syllables.”

    I agree. The verse and chorus don’t sound like they are in the same song. TBH, the verses sound like other P2 kind of songs, whereas the chorus doesn’t sound like “him” at all.

  • too-cool-for-school

    Here is my weak transcription of the lyrics, probably flawed. Lots of word pictures and imagery, haha. When I look at it this way (I kept from repeating the chorus and such to shorten it), it kind-of seems like half a song. Or I agree, it is the chorus that confuses things, both in tone and in message.

    It could have been kind of a darker, relationshippy song with a different chorus, but the happy/hopeful sound in the one they chose doesn’t fit to me.

    I must have used up all my wishes yesterday
    ‘Cause the words we said in anger still echo in my brain
    Alone through the darkness in this cave (?)
    I wanna hear you whisper, hang on every word you say

    Climb the mountain, swim for shore
    Bring it back to how it was before

    Take it out, blow it up
    And like the memory in between us
    Through the storm (?) and all the dust
    Taken out these walls (?) with a cannonball
    Don’t let it go, don’t give up the ghost
    While staring at the moon and the sun
    Just trying to remember where we came from

    I connect the stars to build a map to you
    In the empty space we’re dreaming, we still know the truth

    [bridge, chorus]
    [ominous ohhh-ooooh-ooooh-ing ;P)
    [bridge, chorus]
    [more cheerful oooh-oooooooh-oooh's]
    [bridge, chorus.. haha]

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wui-Zhuan-Lim/777616348 Wui Zhuan Lim

     Finally P2 tweeted.

    Phillip Phillips
    ?@Phillips

    Oh i forgot my song “Where We Came From” is available on Itunes now! Check it out if you’d like to!

  • Anny_nanny

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  • OffLeash

    This single suffers from a multiple personality disorder. The verses are obviously from P2, I suspect the cheesy chorus was courtesy of the other songwriter, who wrote songs for several Idols and other talent show contestants. Jimmy better make sure they don’t hire him again, he ruined what could’ve been a pretty good song. 

  • http://twitter.com/cheeseE1 EH

    I think he’s saying “ignite the memory between us” sort of like blowing up all the bad stuff in a relationship and rekindling the good stuff so they can find their way back to each other. I like the lyrics in general. 

    The chorus is catchy, but a little too “Here is an HAC song from a WGWG Idol Winner” for my taste. Fortunately, I don’t hear much more of that on the album based on the snippets.  The rest of the song is cool, and I actually like the “ooohs” – at least they’re in Phillip’s range this time. Kind of reminds me of chanting. 

  • too-cool-for-school

    Ah, thank you! I struggled with that one the most, for some reason.

  • OffLeash

    I like the “ooohs” too. :) 

  • Hazehel

    The snippet is certainly misleading, it’s a much better song that what we heard from the snippet.  I’m doubtful it will be a hit though, but who knows.

  • girlygirltoo

    lol, he forgot? This tweet isn’t exactly telling people to go buy the song.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6KBNBAY3M4742SQMHUMAV6CVGQ Mike

    Its up to #184 on itunes…I do agree with some on this site…seems like two different songs, but I like it just the same.

  • chillj

    I kind of really like it.  It is different.  PP’s voice sounds a little altered and I could live without that, but I can hear this in a concert venue and him doing a better job when improvising.

  • sitijulaiha

    The blame is not on the songwriters but the people who arrange the music. That cheesy arrangement for the chorus definitely did not come from P2.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    This tweet isn’t exactly telling people to rush out and download the song.

    The fans who hang on P2′s every tweet will rush out and download it regardless of his phrasing. I get an insane amount of “OMG BUY MY NEW SINGLE RIGHT THIS SECOND!” messages in my timeline, so I actually prefer the lower key “check it out if you want to.” 

    Still, I wish he’d drop the e.e. cummings schtick and capitalize the first-person pronoun correctly. When P2 comes out with stuff like “Oh i forgot,” I feel like he’s about to start tweeting in LOLcats. (“I’ze in ur teevee, selling ur donuts.”)

  • Anny_nanny

    1. Jimmy did not know how to choose the songs.
    2. Jimmy did not know how to choose the songs.
    3. … Have I already said that Jimmy did not know how to choose the songs?

    No news.
    That’s when I wanna change nothiiiiing!!! (I’m sorry, Jessica)

  • too-cool-for-school

    Still, I wish he’d drop the e.e. cummings schtick and capitalize the first-person pronoun correctly.

    Lmaooo. Poor P2… I like his askew way of typing.

  • girlygirltoo

    Lollll. And he capitalized the i in iTunes when he shouldn’t have.  At least the grammar wasn’t a fail (which is the case with some other Idols at times)? :D

  • iani

    And finally Phillip’s coronation song has come, after 6 months! It’s not bad, I can’t say something bad about a song that sounds “nice”, but I can’t say either it is a song to build a carrier. It is the typical HAC song that alienate the fanbase, trying to “hunt” for  some new ears and finally it goes nowhere; only Jimmy’s power might save the situation and PDs’ positions towards the song something like: “see, the song starts with a AAA infusion  in the orchestration and the verse, when it goes further there is some HAC cheessy chorus and in the middle it is a swirl of Alt “oh, oh” that that goes well with the song, like a butter-cream over an apple-pie. Seriously, just let the guy to write the next album, gain a real fanbase because he seems to me pretty talented to do it in his own way and fit his style and vocal chops. 

  • OffLeash

    It’s not just the arrangement of the chorus that’s beyond cheesy, it’s also the fact that its Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah melody and even its lyrics clash with the more introspective and more interesting melody and lyrics of the verses. Both the arrangement and the songwriting are at fault in the chorus, and both the songwriter and those in charge of the arrangement of that chorus failed. Off with their heads! 

  • sitijulaiha

    Songwriting in the chorus is weak but it would be fine if the arrangement wasn’t so bad. They need accessible melody as a hook and I can understand that. When the verses are that good I don’t have to love the chorus to enjoy the whole song, but I have to not hate it, is all.

  • lufausljc

    It is a good song, with a nice enough hook, but the chorus I believe does not ring true to the rest of the song. I still like it though. About the song’s charting, I think it is doing good considering there is no banner for it on iTunes, except on the pop section right at the bottom. All the other new releases by Bruno, The Wanted, etc, are for you to see right away on the home page of iTunes. So I am not worried that this song will debut well enough.

    The song is at #124
    Album preorder a #24

  • jpfan2

    I’ve listened to it a few more times and am liking it more and more.  It strongly reminds me of early Steely Dan. Is anybody but me hearing that?   

  • OffLeash

    The worst offender in the chorus to my ears is the melody and arrangement of “Don’t let it go, don’t give up the ghost.” Makes me cringe every time. I hope P2 can change it up for his live performances. 

  • OffLeash

    WWCF will easily make top 100, and even top 50 today because P2 has at least this many hardcore fans. But since they’re not promoting it, it might be a song intended as a gift to the fans only, and they’ll release the real second single later, with the appropriate promo.

  • wkstrack

    Oh, boy! Well, maybe this isn’t the REAL second single. I listened to the snippets that Yahoo has of his upcoming album and there are a few songs that sound better than this. I thought Interscope was different than RCA. The second single for an Idol is always kinda a WTF? Kris with The Truth and Lee with Beautiful Like You. 

  • OffLeash

    I really, really love the verses and their arrangement. Very interesting, unique, pleasant, and true to P2. That’s why I’m so mad at the chorus lol.

  • OffLeash

    NEWSFLASH!

    Phillip Phillips ?@Phillips @Todayshowviewer its not the
    single. Its an instant grat track for when someone pre orders my
    album.Sorry for the confusion but glad u like!

    YAY! Thanks, Jimmy! :)

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “About the song’s charting, I think it is doing good considering there is
    no banner for it on iTunes, except on the pop section right at the
    bottom. All the other new releases by Bruno, The Wanted, etc, are for
    you to see right away on the home page of iTunes.”

    There is an ad for P2 on the “new artists” page of iTunes.

  • ADRIANAARG1980

     Shannon Haggerty
    ?@Todayshowviewer

    @Phillips I love your new single. How is anyone going to find out about it if no-one talks about it? It should be news.
    Phillip Phillips
    ?@Phillips

    @Todayshowviewer its not the single. Its an instant grat track for when someone pre orders my album.Sorry for the confusion but glad u like!

  • lufausljc

    Oh yes, thanks gosh. Jimmy is a smart man, he would not announce a second single without “Home” peaking first. I am so relieved, I know the song is good but not single worthy. 

  • OffLeash

    Any special reason why Home is going back up at iTunes today? It’s #8 right now. 

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    @Todayshowviewer its not the single. Its an instant grat track for when someone pre orders my album.Sorry for the confusion but glad u like!

    Um… that kinda doesn’t fit with how Amazon is selling the track separately.

    I’d call it a coin flip on whether P2 is relaying a label-approved fact or whether he’s stating what he wishes to be true. In terms of label strategy, I can think of perfectly sound reasons for doing it either way.

    If WWCF is not the single, I hope the next song for radio is one that P2 has writing credit on, even though GGG is the strongest of the songs.

    Also! Its = belonging to it. It’s = it is. 

  • lufausljc

    Never been to that section, my unawareness ha. I don’t think many people frequent that page though, I may be wrong.

  • OffLeash

    In P2′s defense, lots of people write it this way on twitter because it saves a space, even when they know it isn’t the right way. Not saying that P2 does it on purpose, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

  • Incipit

    Well, there you go. It’s not the single. It also gets no press releases for what it really is – a promo tool? – but Phillip remembered to mention it.

    It’s like fans were told they got “Light On’ for free when they pre-ordered DCTR…and iTunes got bent so spectacularly that they gave me (and other people) several free copies. I got seven. Except “Light On” was the single – and WWCF is not. But hopefully there will be no glitches for this give away song.

    Since it’s free, and has become a Gift Horse – I suppose it’s rude to keep checking the teeth? Yes, No?

    Because people are saying they like the verse(s) and the chorus is odd, doesn’t work, badly arranged…etc. Yet they like the song. Say What?

    But – there’s only one verse.The rest of the song is the chorus repeated and the “oooh – ooohs”

    Seriously – look at the lyrics . too-cool-for-schoolwrote out.

    This is the ‘only’ verse, unless something is missing?

    I must have used up all my wishes yesterday
    ‘Cause the words we said in anger still echo in my brainAlone through the darkness in this cave (?)I wanna hear you whisper, hang on every word you say

    That’s it, unless you count these two lines as a partial verse - 

    I connect the stars to build a map to you
    In the empty space we’re dreaming, we still know the truthI don’t – it’s part of the Bridge, IMO. So what verses are you talking about? There’s only one.Also:

    The blame is not on the songwriters but the people who arrange the music.

    Songwriters do “Words & Music” – unless they are not songwriters, but lyricists, (Only words) or composers (Only music). So, while it’s not possible to know who wrote what, specifically, without being told – the melody for the verse and the chorus both came from the songwriters – whoever they were. The arrangement, instrument choices, tempo, etc, that could have come from the Producer – or from a mutual decision…maybe in some future interview, fans will find out.Meanwhile, enjoy the Freebie?? Or is it not free? IDK now.

  • Anny_nanny

    Agreed. When I listened to studio versions on the season, I knew that I will have to buy the recordings and live performances if they will be released.
    Phillip has no experience of work in the studio and his live performances are often much brighter – I loved “Beggin” and “This Love”. But more experienced people are not able to help him. Or chose not to. Ugh

  • jpfan2

    I’d have no problems if it was the second single actually. Home is probably moving up iTunes because it’s getting major updates on Top 40 radio. I also think the remix with the Sandy footage is pushing sales.

  • OffLeash

    This part is what I consider the verses, whatever the true technical term is:

    I must have used up all my wishes yesterday
    ‘Cause the words we said in anger still echo in my brain
    Alone through the darkness in this cave (?)
    I wanna hear you whisper, hang on every word you say
    Climb the mountain, swim for shoreBring it back to how it was before
    I connect the stars to build a map to you
    In the empty space we’re dreaming, we still know the truth

    And yeah. I really like that part. Not sure why that would bother you. But I don’t like the song as a whole, although apparently many do.

    The chorus for me is this part, the part I don’t like:
    Take it out, blow it up (?)
    And ignite the memory between us 
    Through the storm (?) and all the dust 
    Taken out these walls (?) with a cannonball 
    Don’t let it go, don’t give up the ghost
    While staring at the moon and the sun
    Just trying to remember where we came from

    But I do like the oooohs. Ha.

  • Incipit

    Um… that kinda doesn’t fit with how Amazon is selling the track separately.

    I’d call it a coin flip on whether P2 is relaying a label-approved fact or whether he’s stating what he wishes to be true (a habit I’d hoped he’d broken). In terms of label strategy, I can think of perfectly sound reasons for doing it either way.

    Ouch. I hadn’t thought of that, Eilonwy. I can think of sound reasons for either strategy too – what I can’t think of is why they are not publicizing its specific function.

    All they have to do is say, ‘ Not the single – Selling the track separately with pre-order – price deducted from the album cost on delivery.’ That’s been done before. 

    But they haven’t. And they’ve been selling it all day “as if” it were the single – but no PR to go with it.

    So I guess we keep looking at the teeth, kicking the tires, whichever analogy works…til some clarity arrives? *snerk*

  • OffLeash

    Since only P2 fans would buy this track anyway, and those who buy it intended to buy the album because we know from the nippets it’s one of the worst tracks on the album, those fans will get that amount deducted from the price of the album when it comes out. Those who don’t like P2 or are so-so probably don’t care for this track, and didn’t buy it anyway. 

  • Incipit

    That’s what I was looking for, OffLeash…what people generally are considering the verse(s) plural to be, since I was only hearing one verse….and looking for the rest of the words. Appreciate the answer. 

    I’m not a fan of the song – but I also don’t generally like ‘oooohs’, or Ohhhhs, or Whoah’s in ‘any’ song. If the writer wants to tell me a story, I like lyrics to chew on – with layers and meanings and etc. to convey the story to the listener. When they get replaced by ‘ooohs’, etc, I always feel shortchanged – as in –  “where are the rest of the words?”

    JMO. Of Course.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Meanwhile, enjoy the Freebie?? Or is it not free? You ought to get your
    money back when the album is charged to your account, on delivery – but
    IDK now.”

    The ad on the “New Artists” page of iTunes states:

    “Pre-order album + get song now”

    but people can also buy the track without pre-ordering the album. I think that those who pre-ordered the album got an immediate download of WWCF (“free”), but they will pay full-price for the album when it’s released.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Um… that kinda doesn’t fit with how Amazon is selling the track separately.

    I’d call it a coin flip on whether P2 is relaying a label-approved
    fact or whether he’s stating what he wishes to be true (a habit I’d
    hoped he’d broken). In terms of label strategy, I can think of perfectly
    sound reasons for doing it either way.”

    lol Yeah, I think that we need to wait and see what happens since P2 may be out of the loop … again.

  • OffLeash

    If you preorder an album, iTunes usually makes you pay for the single in advance, then later deducts the $1.29 from the album price. I’ve never done it the other way around, buy the single without pre-ordering and then later on decide to buy the album, so idk how that would work. I also don’t know how Amazon handles the preorder situation.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Usually, isn’t offering a “free” download for a pre-order a song that isn’t also available for individual download? I’ve heard that is the way that this kind of incentive works. This is confusing. lol

  • OffLeash

    Those are the bonus tracks, extra tracks not on the ‘official’ album. You get them if you preorder, but you can’t download them before the album is released. WWCF isn’t a bonus track, because the track is part of the official album.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    It seems odd that Amazon has WWCF listed separately (with it’s own cover art), just like all of the other singles from Idols. Only singles are being sold separately with cover art.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    No, bonus tracks aren’t available for individual download even after the album is released, otherwise no one would buy the entire album. I’m sure that I’ve heard previously that when a song is offered for download for pre-ordering the album it isn’t available for download at that time (at least before the album is released).

  • OffLeash

    Yeah, that’s what usually happens, but there’s also the fact that P2′s situation is very unusual, with a megahit single that hasn’t even peaked yet. Jimmy might have decided to improvise a different strategy, since the wise business decision would be not to release a new single at this time, with Home doing so well and the holiday freeze around the corner. Then again, maybe that’s why I don’t work for a label. What do I know?

  • OffLeash

    That’s not what I meant. You can only get those bonus tracks if you preorder, and if you preorder you can’t download them before the album is released. If you didn’t preorder, you can’t buy those bonus tracks separately.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Usually, isn’t offering a “free” download for a pre-order a song that isn’t also available for individual download?

    Naaah, I’ve seen tracks used as “instant gratification” pre-order tracks that were definitely also available separately — sometimes as radio-bound singles, sometimes as promotional singles.

    The box score so far for WWCF is:
    –iTunes: instant download with album pre-order or you can buy the album track separately.
    –Amazon: sold as a single with its own cover. No album pre-order incentive that I can find.
    –Google Play: sold as a single with its own cover. No sign of album pre-order at all.
    –P2′s official site: no mention at all, no ongoing storefront, album pre-orders are directed to iTunes.

    Spotify doesn’t have the track, which kind of points to the label not being in any hurry to treat this as an official single. 

    #baffled

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Naaah, I’ve seen tracks used as “instant gratification” pre-order tracks
    that were definitely also available separately — sometimes as
    radio-bound singles, sometimes as promotional singles.”

    No, I meant that an “instant gratification” pre-order track is usually not available for purchase as an individual download until later, when the album is released. That’s the incentive – to be able to get a full track now of an album that is unavailable for purchase until the album is released.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    No, I meant that an “instant gratification” pre-order track is usually not available for purchase as an individual download until later, when the album is released.

    Help! Which of these two things do you mean?

    1. “Tracks that are downloadable with an album pre-order are ordinarily not available separately at that time” OR
    2. “A track should be called an instant gratification pre-order if-and-only-if it is not available separately at that time.”

    If #1, that’s factually not so: it’s pretty common to use the current radio single as the pre-order download. If #2, I don’t dislike the concept, but we’d be counting on P2 to use language with precision.

    I dunno about anybody else, but I found P2′s career much simpler to follow once I started treating his statements as rough approximations of possible alternative realities, rather than as anything I was supposed to interpret literally. If I were a grad student, I’d be seriously contemplating writing a scholarly article along the lines of “Phillip Phillips and Schrödinger’s Cat: The Interview as Magical Realist Encounter.”

  • girlygirltoo

    If it was a free download to go with the preorder, I don’t think it would be charting would it, since people wouldn’t actually be paying for it? I’m not sure, but I don’t think iTunes allows free downloads to chart.

    Seems to me, since you can buy it separately without preordering the album, that makes it a song being sold as a single, whether or not they actually end up promoting it as such down the road.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I choose #1 for $100, Alex. lol  OK, but I’m sure that I’ve seen cases where the “instant gratification” song is a track that isn’t available for sale until album release, so it can happen, even if it doesn’t always happen.  :)

    “I dunno about anybody else, but I found P2′s career much simpler to follow once I started treating his statements as rough approximations of possible alternative realities, rather than as anything I was supposed to interpret literally. If I were a grad student, I’d be seriously contemplating writing a scholarly article along the lines of “Phillip Phillips and Schrödinger’s Cat: The Interview as Magical Realist
    Encounter.””

    Alternative realities? Like Bizarro world? I think that you may be right. lol

    ETA: “Schrödinger’s cat” – had to look this up. Wut? I’ll stick to Superman comics for my image of an alternative reality. lol

  • girlygirltoo

    Songwriters don’t necessarily do the arrangements. The (non songwriter) artist could come up with his own arrangement (after hearing a demo, for example), the producer could arrange it, they could hire an arranger to come in and do it. Or one (or more) of the people who wrote the song could do the arrangement. Unless Phillip or Jon Green tells us, we really have no idea who is responsible for the song’s arrangement.

  • Incipit

    Yep, girlygirltoo. That’s what I said.

    “Songwriters do “Words & Music” – unless they are not songwriters, but lyricists, (Only words) or composers (Only music). So, while it’s not possible to know who wrote what, specifically, without being told - the melody for the verse and the chorus both came from the songwriters – whoever they were. 

    The arrangement, instrument choices, tempo, etc, that could have come from the Producer – or from a mutual decision…maybe in some future interview, fans will find out.”

  • OffLeash

    You’re right, it’s not a free download. You either buy it separately, or you get it by pre-ordering the album, but either way you get charged the price for a single, and the amount goes towards the purchase of the album for those who pre-ordered it.

  • girlygirltoo

    oh oops, well ignore my repetitious comment then :)

  • Hazehel

     because we know from the snippets it’s one of the worst tracks on the album

    Having heard the whole song, I don’t think it is one of the worst tracks at all.  It sounds to be a reasonably good album track, the only question is whether it can make a good single.  My personal opinion is perhaps not, but there are many hit songs which I never thought would make good singles, so who knows.  

  • maymay

    It is one of the best songs on PP`s album. I enjoy its every part, the melody, the lyrics, the beginning, the ending, and of course PP`s singing.

  • springboard2

    Not necessarily. I have seen the exact same situation with other tracks/albums on iTunes, and they were also available from Amazon in the same way, and they were never released as single (defined as a song sent and pushed to radio).

    But as a buzz single it works for me.
    I am not a fan, not even a fan of Home but I quite like it and it is getting me interested in the album.