Monday Morning Mediabase Update – 06/14/09

Kris Allen:
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“No Boundariesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ : ^21 AC (22), 46 HAC (45)

I thought NB might do something on HAC, but I guess not. As bad as I originally thought the song was, I’ve grown somewhat fond of it recently. Too bad.

Kris is hanging on there. Well, I’m glad that Mandisa and Lakisha are doing good.

I thought NB might do something on HAC, but I guess not. As bad as I originally thought the song was, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve grown somewhat fond of it recently. Too bad.

Melodically, I’d say it’s better than TOML. Lyrically it’s about equal. But, what NB lacks is a commemorative theme that resonates with people as they find themselves at or are going through important moments in their lives. And it also doesn’t have Cook’s haggard vocal interpretation of the lyrics that conveys a sense of world-weariness, which I think further adds to the song’s resonance.

But, I still can’t believe TOML cracked Top 40, and CBTM wasn’t able to do it!

Well, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m glad that Mandisa and Lakisha are doing good.

Neither one has a bullet. Altnough I don’t know how good they’re doing, since I have no idea how big the CAC and UAC formats are or how they differ. I’m guessing C = Christian and U = Urban?

I still canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe TOML cracked Top 40, and CBTM wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t able to do it!

I find it very very easy to believe. I don’t think TOML is inferior to CBTM, and CHR has grown less tolerant of ballads since May 2008. Also – TOML followed DC’s win, CBTM followed LO (and not very closely). The momentum was so much better for TOML.

Neither one has a bullet. Altnough I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how good theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re doing, since I have no idea how big the CAC and UAC formats are or how they differ. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m guessing C = Christian and U = Urban?

I’m not sure about CAC, but UAC is indeed Urban Adult Contemporary. There are a few less UAC stations than flat out Urban stations, but the gap is not that big. I don’t know how it is about selling albums… I think it’s small and steady in that regard, like HAC… but I know that crowd is great at selling concert tickets. They will go see your show, and they love people that can sssaaaaannggg. LOL. That’s why I was mad that Melinda didn’t get pushed to that market. They would eat her up.

Melodically, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s better than TOML.

I wouldn’t. IMO, No Boundaries is much too wordy and all over the place melodically. I’m really looking forward to hearing some original music from Kris.

And TOML got the Olympics pimping haha

and CHR has grown less tolerant of ballads since May 2008.

That being the case, if they want to stay out of ballad territory for the following single, I’m becoming more and more convinced that they ought to take a shot with LOTM. Some have said it’s not a “summer-sounding song”, but I don’t think there are any “summery” songs on the record that would do well on radio.

I find it very very easy to believe. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think TOML is inferior to CBTM, and CHR has grown less tolerant of ballads since May 2008. Also – TOML followed DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s win, CBTM followed LO (and not very closely). The momentum was so much better for TOML.

I never visited AI-related boards in any season but season 8, so would somebody please translate this to English? :eek_wp: :biggrin_wp:

Jolene Jun 15th, 2009 at 10:12 am

Kris Allen:
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“No Boundariesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ : ^21 AC (22), 46 HAC (45)

I thought NB might do something on HAC, but I guess not. As bad as I originally thought the song was, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve grown somewhat fond of it recently. Too bad.

I have a personal theory on this. I agree, it can really stick in your head and I think Kris has done an amazing job with this song considering the bad rap it received right out of the gate. It seems he has done a lot for he melody. However, it doesn’t seem as if 19 was as thrilled with his win as DCs and the winning moments seemed to be awkward. (I have other thoughts on this as well, but perhaps I shouldn’t voice them.)

I came here immediately to see if it had climbed on HAC, and am sad to see it hasn’t. At least it’s going up on AC and hopefully will continue to do so.

I’m happy to see CBTM still doing well on HAC.

I never visited AI-related boards in any season but season 8, so would somebody please translate this to English?

LMAO (= Laughing my ass off).

TOML = Time of my Life
LO = Light On
CBTM = Come Back to Me
CHR = Current Hits Radio = Top 40 radio
DC = David Cook.

I think that’s all? Heh.

I don’t know what all those initials mean such as HAC, AC, UAC, as I never followed this stuff before.

??? :help_tb:

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know what all those initials mean such as HAC, AC, UAC, as I never followed this stuff before.

AC – Adult Contemporary (i.e. Soft FM)
HAC – Hot Adult Contemporary (i.e. Soft FM with an edge (more rock, dance and r&B)
AAA – Alternative Adult Contemporary (i.e. Indie FM with more folksy and cutting edge music)
UAC – Urban Adult Contemporary (i.e. R&B Soft FM)
CAC – Christian Adult Contemporary (i.e. Soft FM with a Christian Twist).

AC doesn’t do a great job of moving units. HAC can for the right artist. It seems that AAA does wonders for moving units (people that don’t seem very mainstream but seem to move a lot of units. This seems to be the most resistent format to Idols). UAC does okay with unit moving (not quite as well as Urban). CAC does a decent job of moving Christian songs, but mainly in the Christian bookstores which SS reports in a strange way (it doesn’t accumulate the numbers so you have to add them by hand).

I thought NB might do something on HAC, but I guess not. As bad as I originally thought the song was, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve grown somewhat fond of it recently. Too bad.

I’ve seen a few people suggest that its similarity to The Climb probably isn’t helping much either, especially on charts based on radio play, (which these are, right? US charts confuse me…)

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know what all those initials mean such as HAC, AC, UAC, as I never followed this stuff before.

Those are different radio formats. Here’s the rundown:

CHR = Contemporary Hits Radio/Top 40… stations that play pop music. They play the same 10 songs 3 times an hour and drive everyone crazy. Target teenagers and young adults mostly. TRANSLATION: If a person can’t sing and has songs with no melody but everyone loves them anyway, these are the stations that made that person a star. You can thank them later.

HAC = Hot Adult Contemporary… stations that play Top 40 songs minus the rap and hard stuff. They add in a lot of mainstream rock acts. Some of them use the “Best of the 80s, 90s and today” format, some don’t. Targets the over 25 set. TRANSLATION: Moms love this station. They can feel all hip without having to actually be hip.

AC = Adult Contemporary… this is one of the biggest formats in the country, but widely assumed to sell the least amount of records. Why? It appeals to much older listeners, and play songs that were old on the pop chart to begin with then spins them for months on end. Stays away from anything edgy or controversial. Kissing cousin of “easy listening” stations. Targets the over 40 crowd and the “I’m at Work” crowd. TRANSLATION: Grandmas love this station. They don’t buy a damn thing they hear but its nice to listen to “those nice boys from Coldplay” sometimes.

UAC = Urban Adult Contemporary…Equivalent of HAC for black people. Plays stuff on the urban station chart minus rap and raunch. In other words, not much makes it over. Lots of r&b oldies mixed in with neo-soul types and Ne-Yo songs. TRANSLATION: If your market has the Tom Joyner Morning Show, its on this station. Your uncle listens to this while doing the electric slide.

Urban = Black people station that no Idol will ever get played on, save Fantasia. Let”s pretend they don’t exist for purposes of this discussion. See also: various hard rock formats.

AAA = Adult Album Alternative. The equivalent of AC for rock. Indie and folk leaning. All of the rock, none of the misogyny. Or drugs. Or random sex. In short, no Hinder. TRANSLATION: The spiritual home of Jason Mraz.

I agree cookcricket… I think this is the first time I have seen 19 allow so much press of the 2nd place finisher to the point that it over shadows the winner many times. I believe just another example of the winner not being who idol preordained it to be.

Tinawina, ILU. That was LOLtastic.

However, it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem as if 19 was as thrilled with his win as DCs and the winning moments seemed to be awkward. (I have other thoughts on this as well, but perhaps I shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t voice them.)

You mean that during the audition rounds in future seasons, it’s likely that the background in the judges room will now have TWO contestants’ faces with plants in front of them?!

You mean that during the audition rounds, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s likely that the background in the judges room will now have TWO contestantsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ faces with plants positioned in front of them?!

And there are only so many faces the camera can fit into one shot. If yours happens to be at the side and cut off, unlucky… I’m worried about this, but even if I ignore my thoughts as a fan, I think it would be a stupid thing to do because Kris is incredibly photogenic.

With regards to the promotion of NB though, do the labels usually push the winners’ singles more than they have this year?

I agree cookcricketà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I think this is the first time I have seen 19 allow so much press of the 2nd place finisher to the point that it over shadows the winner many times. I believe just another example of the winner not being who idol preordained it to be.

Idol doesn’t and can’t control what the press does or who they choose to cover. I think Idol wanted kris to win when it came down to the wire, and are content with the results, because they have their boy-next-door wholesome winner (I mean that in a nice way) and their bad boy gay runner up can also enrich them without actually carrying the crown.

I think Idol would like them both to succeed. But they do not control the press.

I’ve been learning a lot about music formats here…sort of a crash course. Thanks. All the while I thought urban music is what city dwellers listen to. Silly me. lol. My knowledge in music is limited…

Thanks Jolene for the answer. I knew the DC part, but everything else was “?” to me.

Thanks tinawina and Kirsten for the explanations. I’ve decoded the abbreviations, but I never knew what they really meant — well, I didn’t care enough to research as I don’t really listen to radio.

Tinawina, Nice breakdown. I’ll have to quibble though about AAA being the spiritual home of Jason Mraz. If you look at the current charts, he’s not even on there. He is, however all over AC which is where I would consider his homebase. I would call AAA Dave Matthews spiritual home if tagging any one artist, the place he gets consistent steady play, and currently a #1 hit. Also U2, Elvis Costello, Chris Isaak… By far, its the place for a deeper playlist, full of indie artists who don’t get played on any other format. Very little repetition of play. You’re likely to hear some world music mixed in with rock, folk, alternative and acoustic.

AC = Adult Contemporaryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ this is one of the biggest formats in the country, but widely assumed to sell the least amount of records. They donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t buy a damn thing they hear

That’s not entirely true, tw. They buy the Magic Rainbow! In fact, they can’t stop buying the Rainbow! Damn thing will go double-plat one day, you watch.

(Actually, you could make a case even now that it’s DC’s biggest hit so far. In fact, I have this scary vision of him in ten years or so being in a position where he’s playing all touristy venues and to satisfy to his audience, he’s forced to close his shows with it. The lights go out in preparation for the encore, and the audience buzzes with eager antincipation for… what? Barbasol? Light On? A Daily Anthem? A single off one of his later albums? Nope– Time Of My Life!

That would be Regie Hamm’s personal version of heaven and David Cook’s personal version of hell….)

edit: oops, sorry

Actually, you could make a case even now that ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s biggest hit so far. In fact, I have this scary vision of him in ten years or so being in a position where heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s playing all touristy venues and to satisfy to his audience, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s forced to close his shows with it. The lights go out in preparation for the encore, and the audience buzzes with eager antincipation forà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ what? Barbasol? Light On? A Daily Anthem? A single off one of his later albums? Nopeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ Time Of My Life!

DC said months ago that TOML was being “retired” and he hasn’t sang it in public since. I really thought he’d perform it in the Philippines, but that didn’t happen. If 40,000 (plus) fans couldn’t drag it out of him, I’d venture to guess that nothing will.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll have to quibble though about AAA being the spiritual home of Jason Mraz. If you look at the current charts, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not even on there… I would call AAA Dave Matthews spiritual home if tagging any one artist,

Well for that I’d have to be all serious and stuff. LOL. That would not fit my purposes when I’m snarking on radio formats. :wink1_tb:

The electric slide remark, however, is not snark. That is very, very accurate. :devil_tb:

CHART DATE: 06/15/2009
LAST UPDATE: 06/15/2009 10:20:21
NOW IN: 37.17%

The only change here was for Kelly’s rank. Her sales #’s and Carrie’s rank and sales #’s remained the same.

45 31 CARRIE UNDERWOOD ARISTA NASHVILLE 5,534
CARNIVAL RIDE

43 41 KELLY CLARKSON RCA/RMG 3,331
ALL I EVER WANTED

and CHR has grown less tolerant of ballads since May 2008.

That being the case, if they want to stay out of ballad territory for the following single, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m becoming more and more convinced that they ought to take a shot with LOTM.

Yay, someone else who believes in Life On the Moon’s radio prospects!! I thought I was one of very few.

NOW IN: 36.20%

Ruh-roh, no DC. Hope he clears 7K, and hope Brian comes through early this Wednesday, so I don’t tear my hair out from the anxiety, heh.

hahaha tina!

TRANSLATION: Grandmas love this station. They donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t buy a damn thing they hear but its nice to listen to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“those nice boys from Coldplayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  sometimes.

LOL!

cookcricket Jun 15th, 2009 at 11:02 am

I thought NB might do something on HAC, but I guess not. As bad as I originally thought the song was, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve grown somewhat fond of it recently. Too bad.

I have a personal theory on this. I agree, it can really stick in your head and I think Kris has done an amazing job with this song considering the bad rap it received right out of the gate. It seems he has done a lot for he melody. However, it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem as if 19 was as thrilled with his win as DCs and the winning moments seemed to be awkward. (I have other thoughts on this as well, but perhaps I shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t voice them.)

Since it’s related to whether there is adequate promotion of the song…could you elaborate?

I’ll go to my grave thinking No Boundaries was written for Danny Gokey and that neither Kris or Adam’s voices were even considered. Just my very innane and stupid thoughts on the subject.

Those are different radio formats. Hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the rundown:

LOL. I love your breakdown/descriptions, tinawina. MJ should make them part of the FAQ.

DC said months ago that TOML was being à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“retiredà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and he hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sang it in public since. I really thought heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d perform it in the Philippines, but that didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t happen. If 40,000 (plus) fans couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t drag it out of him, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d venture to guess that nothing will.

Um, yeah. He did an interview a few months ago with a college student for their local radio, and at the end of the interview she asked him to sing a few lines of TOML, it being their “Graduation song” and all… David said sorry, but no way, that song has been retired.
I seriously doubt we’d ever hear him sing it again out of his own volition.

BTW – here’s part of what makes TOML more than a coronation song – it fits those grand occasions like graduations, and Olympic montages, and End-of-year recaps… it gets more mileage because of that. Who knows if it’ll stick around for years and become a “classic”, but it seems to have that potential in a way that NB or “This is my Now” don’t.

tinawina ftmfw…that totally cracked me up. I’m always one for translations because lord knows I don’t speak every language.

CHART DATE: 06/15/2009
LAST UPDATE: 06/15/2009 15:01:15
NOW IN: 54.98%

45 30 CARRIE UNDERWOOD ARISTA NASHVILLE 7,511
CARNIVAL RIDE

43 45 KELLY CLARKSON RCA/RMG 4,761
ALL I EVER WANTED

Aww Kelly… I wish she was moving more albums. Starting to think she’ll fail to reach Platinum, if this is what she’s moving with as much exposure as she has. Carrie is a beast. What is it with blonde Country chicks and their album sales?

What is it with blonde Country chicks and their album sales?

Considering country music is played on more radio stations percentage wise than any other genre this isn’t surprising. Besides she doesn’t have a lot of real competition going on right now. Country music has a way of “choosing” a reigning queen and supporting her for years on end until the next great thing hits the market.

And considering that Carrie has stayed true to country and hasn’t crossed over like, say, Taylor Swift, she has a pretty good lock on the market.

tinawina, loved your rundown of the different radio formats, especially this for UAC:

TRANSLATION: If your market has the Tom Joyner Morning Show, its on this station. Your uncle listens to this while doing the electric slide.

:lol_tb: So much truth!

Urban = Black people station that no Idol will ever get played on, save Fantasia.

Or Jennifer Hudson

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll go to my grave thinking No Boundaries was written for Danny Gokey and that neither Kris or Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s voices were even considered. Just my very innane and stupid thoughts on the subject.

Tess, OMG when Danny was eliminated my daughter and I looked at each other not believing how upset Kara was. Remember she just kept saying over and over OMG,OMG? Then when the song was revealed we both agreed that it was probably indeed written for Danny. Glad to hear another opinion on this. :shock_tb:

Since ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s related to whether there is adequate promotion of the songà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦could you elaborate?

dusty, you asked this question a while ago so you may not even see this answer. Of course I said this is a personal theory.

David Cook’s winning moment was glorious (maybe moreso to his fans-me included- than non-fans, but probably to the casual viewer as well). This was perhaps the best promotion for TOML, right after the show. TOML was DC’s song from that moment on. No one else sang it, or recorded it for release. (compare this to Kris’s win and song release)

I don’t want to be a debbie downer in any way, I hope that 19 wants success for both Kris and Adam. So I’m just in wait and see mode for the albums.

I don’t know if this answers your question. In addition, outside of the finale and having it on itunes, I don’t know what kind of promotion either song received.

:help_tb: I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know what all those initials mean such as HAC, AC, UAC, as I never followed this stuff before.

???

:thumbup_tb:

Thanks to all of you who ‘splained it to me, sorry my thank is so late most of you have probably moved on by now…

LOL. I love your breakdown/descriptions, tinawina. MJ should make them part of the FAQ.

Heh. Then she would get spammed from people thinking she wrote it and was subtly dissing their favorites. I couldn’t do that to her.

Or Jennifer Hudson

True dat. I forgot Jhud! She’s in, but Rueben and Lakisha? Not so much. I wonder if they will ever get another Urban radio star out of Idol? I would love that personally. I don’t think they’ll ever try with Jordin.

To everyone who responded: Glad y’all liked the post.

Since ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s related to whether there is adequate promotion of the songà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦could you elaborate?

Cook was the most popular winner since Carrie, if not Kelly, immediately after he came off the show. Of course, then the damn fool had to come right out and go public about Caldwell and alienate about half of the frenzied females among his base in the process (seriously, you should have witnessed the absolutely epic online meltdown), but I digress….

In general, though, Cook alone was splashed all over Itunes right after the finale and received the bulk of the rest of the afterglow promotion, instead of having to split it 50 – 50 with Archie. He alone released TOML. And the full extent of his landslide victory was proclaimed to the world while Kris’s victory, which was anecdotally also reported to be a landslide, was not publically disclosed for some mysterious reason.

Translation #1: Whereas last year Cook was promoted as the sole-winner, this year TPTB are going with the co-winner angle.

Translation #2: The “co-winner” narrative, I expect, will eventually morph into the “true winner” narrative.

Translation #3: Expect to see a plant in front of Kris’s head next year.

Speaking of popularity here are Blake and Jordin’s numbers for their EP (small album) sales two weeks after the finale:

Jordinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s EP – 39,298
Blakeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s EP – 33,093

I’m sure the EPs were cheaper than regular albums but those sales numbers look in the ballpark of where Adam and Kris are for their album sales currently. I’m not sure about single downloads.

And Jordin had very meh numbers for an Idol winner. I just find it odd that even with the publicity Adam really isn’t selling at least 2 to 3 times what she did. Kris ditto. Of course, these numbers aren’t that important in predicting future sales.

I can’t complain about no airplay for No Boundaries.
I can’t stand it and I think Kris is lucky radio isn’t playing it. Better to start fresh on the radio with original music and not coronation dreck.

Even first week sales aside, 19/RCA I believe actively pushed TOML to radio something NB didn’t get. There were Mediabase and All Access ads for it and I remember an HDD blurb immediately following the finale that the RCA Top 40 radio team were already starting some big promo for TOML. Now whether this is a sign 19/RCA felt DC was more worthy of that, I don’t know. It could also be something as simple of NB being so god awful that they rather Kris establish himself with a real first single

What I thought was interesting though was the AOL Music streams of both songs which relies very little on label promo but rather fans rushing to listen to the studio version and doesn’t cost a penny. The other day these stats were posted via Billboard:

AOL MUSIC Total Monthly Stream June 6 09

Top Songs

1. Kris Allen 760,976,
2. David Cook 476947
3.Owl City 267,008
4 Clay Akien 215,796
5. Elliott Yamin 167,363
6. David A. 149,971,
7. David Cook 124,623
8 TAYLOR HICKS 115,189
9 David Archuleta 83,062
10 Kelly Clarkson

This was mentioned in the kickass RCA press release announcing DC’s record deal:

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The Time Of My Lifeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is blowing up at radio, coming in as the 1 most added at Hot AC and AC radio right out of the box and 2 most added at Top 40 radio, pulling in over 6 million listeners in less than a week without an official launch. Additionally, it was the biggest single premiere on AOLà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s PopEater site, garnering over 1 million streams in 24 hours.

The huge, huge difference in streams could be a matter of popularity coming right off the win, or like mentioned above I wonder how much the difference in the emotion of the winning moment impacted things.

Noctem, I have to respectfully disagree with your recollection of how Cook and Archuleta were treated on iTunes. All of the Idols had their stuff released to iTunes at the same time, on the same terms. It is just that Cook’s songs dominated in the 1/2 week in which they were available and visible on iTunes. Archuleta did very well, too, as I recall – I think he had between 6 and 8 songs charting. Others from the top 10 also charted. Granted, they did let Cook have the coronation single to himself. In that sense, they did treat him as the clear winner.

However, in many other respects, they were treated as co-winners, to the chagrin and angst of many a Cook fan at the time. It was felt that as winner, Cook should have had the first single and album to come out, but Archuleta had his come out (if you discount the coronation single, of course) first instead. Even Kristy Lee had stuff out before Cook. There were several other instances of shared appearances that were normally winner-only appearances, and also the Macy’s parade going to Archuleta and not Cook.

Eventually this semi-co-winner treatment ended, but for about 9 months I would guess Archuleta was given really extraordinary support and coverage and media for a runner-up. It would not be all that new for this to occur with Glambert and Allen, though unfortunate. I would agree that the degree to which it is happening is much greater, but it is not new.

Noctem, I have to respectfully disagree with your recollection of how Cook and Archuleta were treated on iTunes. All of the Idols had their stuff released to iTunes at the same time, on the same terms. It is just that Cook’s songs dominated in the 1/2 week in which they were available and visible on iTunes. Archuleta did very well, too, as I recall – I think he had between 6 and 8 songs charting. Others from the top 10 also charted. Granted, they did let Cook have the coronation single to himself. In that sense, they did treat him as the clear winner.

However, in many other respects, they were treated as co-winners, to the chagrin and angst of many a Cook fan at the time. It was felt that as winner, Cook should have had the first single and album to come out, but Archuleta had his come out (if you discount the coronation single, of course) first instead. Even Kristy Lee had stuff out before Cook. There were several other instances of shared appearances that were normally winner-only appearances, and also the Macy’s parade going to Archuleta and not Cook.

Eventually this semi-co-winner treatment ended, but for about 9 months I would guess Archuleta was given really extraordinary support and coverage and media for a runner-up. It would not be all that new for this to occur with Glambert and Allen, though unfortunate. I would agree that the degree to which it is happening is much greater, but it is not new.

Trina, I don’t think Kris’s streams are too shabby considering three things:

1) NB has been dissed as a song from the start.
2) Just like Adam, DC as a lot of online fans (self included for DC) compared to Kris’s.
3) I am thinking that those online fans are more sophisticated than any of Kris’s.
**this does not mean Kris’s fans are not intelligent, they just don’t go online much** (total speculation on my part)

In addition, I do think DC is one of the most popular winners.

Keeping with the 1 million # (since I have no clue how much over it was), Kris received 240,000 less. I could perhaps contribute that 240,000 to the difference in the emotion of the winning moment.

I believe if Kris is properly promoted for his first single, it will do great!

Keeping with the 1 million # (since I have no clue how much over it was), Kris received 240,000 less.

TOML hit 1 million in a DAY. I think those are stats above are monthly streams. Big difference. Light On premiered on AOL as well, and IIRC, hit 1 million after a week or a few days, per some press release.

CHART DATE: 06/15/2009
LAST UPDATE: 06/16/2009 12:49:22
NOW IN: 69.42%

45 33 CARRIE UNDERWOOD ARISTA NASHVILLE 7,511
CARNIVAL RIDE

43 48 KELLY CLARKSON RCA/RMG 4,761
ALL I EVER WANTED

Both Kelly and Carrie fell out of the top 50 with the final report.

Maybe Adam genuinely IS going to explode if they can transform him into the equivalent of Lady GaGa. Because what I want to know is how does she continually defy the “pop sells singles; rock sells albums” rule?

Most of her pop-cousins, such as Katy Perry, only have monster single sales and relatively limited album sales. But, every week Gaga sells singles AND albums like a CHAMP (not to mention the fact that she dominates the charts)….

So who is her album-buying constituency? Hip-hop oriented fans? Club kids? Gay fans?

Anyway, if they get Adam to whatever her base is, he will be set….
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Indymuse, maybe my memory is faulty then. I thought Archie only seemed to get equal push once Crush blew up, but maybe I’m mistaken. (Actually, Archie got more buzz then, what with the “Cook Crushed” headlines, and it seemed like the media was sharpening their knives for Cook because they were smelling a Clay/Ruben situation redux with regards to record sales).

TOML hit 1 million in a DAY. I think those are stats above are monthly streams. Big difference. Light On premiered on AOL as well, and IIRC, hit 1 million after a week or a few days, per some press release.

Sorry I missed that. You’re right it is a big difference. The other things I mentioned still possibly apply, imo. I’m aware of what LO did because I’m a huge DC fan. I also know about various suggestions on DCO.