Kelly Clarkson Endorses Ron Paul, Republicans, Catches Hate on Twitter

Kelly Clarkson got herself into a bit of hot water…OK basically, it was a tidal wave–when she decided to reveal that she’d support Libertarian, Ron Paul in the next presidential election if he won the republican primary.

Yes, that’s right. Kelly says she’s a Republican, although she voted for Obama in the last election.

It all started with an innocent tweet:

I love Ron Paul. I liked him a lot during the last republican nomination and no one gave him a chance. If he wins the nomination for the Republican party in 2012 he’s got my vote. Too bad he probably won’t.

And then, almost immediately, all hell broke loose. Kelly attempted to deal with what appears to be an onslaught of hate tweets:

@msschantz we shouldn’t try & help/tell other countries how to solve their issues w/the poor when we can’t even solve our own.

@QueenVampireX @sexidance I am a Republican but I actually voted Democrat last election.

@deethers I have never heard that he’s a racist? I definitely don’t agree with racism, that’s ignorant.

@BarkingTurtles I love all people and could care less if you like men or women. I have never heard that Ron Paul is a racist or homophobe?

@my_warden I have never seen or heard Ron Paul say anything against gay people?

@Jcourt3 I respect your opinion and I am about progress. Ron Paul is about letting people decide, not the government. I am for this.

@Cibuloid Very mature of you. Someone says something you disagree with and you lash out at them.

(Singer, Michelle Branch, tweeted her response, “@kelly_clarkson I wholeheartedly agree. #RonPaul”)

@uglybenny @michellebranch classy response.

I am really sorry if I have offended anyone. Obviously that was not my intent. I do not support racism. I support gay rights, straight rights, women’s rights, men’s rights, white/black/purple/orange rights. I like Ron Paul because he believes in less government and letting the people (all of us) make the decisions and mold our country. That is all. Out of all of the Republican nominees, he’s my favorite.

@LoveUMore because you don’t agree with me, I’m stupid. Very mature response.

@MauricioDelRey Man, seriously such hate coming from your tweets. This isn’t a healthy way to be heard. Say what you’d like without the hate

@infinityguitarz I don’t believe in the death penalty. Most Republicans do but not me.

@judeinlondon this is demeaning & rude, please don’t waste any more of your time and don’t follow me if you are going to continue like this

Man my eyes have been opened to so much hate tonight. If y’all ever disagree with something I say please don’t feel the need to attack me. I will listen to what you say and any articles or viewpoints you have when you say it with respect. Being hateful is not a healthy way to get people to see or hear you. I was raised to respect people and their decisions and beliefs and I hope you will grant me the same decency. If you don’t agree with me simply unfollow me. It’s really that easy. I hope you don’t because I would love the chance to hear what you have to say but if you’re so blinded by hate you can’t seek peace and progress then that is your unfortunate prerogative.

Some of the responses to Kelly:

@MattOrtega:  Pop singers for Paul… Way to show how little you know about him. RT @michellebranch: @kelly_clarkson I wholeheartedly agree. #RonPaul

@NerdyHBIC:  Wow @kelly_clarkson is looking really dumb right now, supporting Ron Paul aka blatantly racist LOLbetarian GOP candidate. #oop

@Ben_Howe: You have to figure @kelly_clarkson would be a fan of a candidate that constantly gets young idiots to vote over and over for them.

@jpbevi: it’s probably weird how much that pro-republican/Ron Paul tweet from @kelly_clarkson is breaking my heart right now. i need to go to bed.

@Jensenclan88: OK, so @kelly_clarkson is voting Ron Paul. I just need Katharine McPhee’s opinion now and I’ll be ready to make my decision.

@JonnyTorres: Congratulations to @kelly_clarkson & @MichelleBranch for having independent thought from brainwashed Hollywood. Move to Nashville!

@HEReinhartFans: Everyone is entitled to their opinion until a musical artist says theirs huh? @kelly_clarkson keep speaking your mind girl!

There were a series of newsletters that went out under Paul’s name from the late 1970s until the mid-1990s, which are littered with racist and homophobic statements. Paul denies writing the newsletters nor knowing who did.

Kelly is certainly entitled to her opinion, but it’s a little naive to endorse a candidate, yet be unaware of the of controversies swirling around them.  Any celebrity who decides to talk politics on social media should expect to be flamed.  In Kelly’s case, her ignorance of the issues around Paul’s candidacy only made it worse.

  • Anonymous

    As the most casual fan of hers, I don’t hate her or am changing my opinion on her professionally.

    I’m just disappointed she shared this view publicly, as I always am when ANY public person does so, because it just publicizes such people.  And I personally think they shouldnt be.  But of course, I think Ron Paul supporters and most Republicans are happy she did endorse them.

  • BonnieDee

    No matter who she endorses, she’ll always have that voice.  :)  I have no candidate this year.  I don’t like any of them.  

  • Valentin432

    Twitter is the devil, book III, chapter XXIV.

    As far as Ron Paul goes, I had no idea people would be that shocked about it, he’s a republican that people like John Stewart seem to like, it’s kind of a rare breed.

  • Anonymous

    Does she deserve the hatred? No, because she’s entitled to her opinions. However, Kelly Clarkson is no novice when it comes to Twitterworld. She should’ve realized that tweeting about serious issues such as politics is bound to get a lot of reactions, positive or negative. Tweet away about politics, but don’t act shocked that you got an awful amount of response. 

  • Anonymous

    I had no idea people would be that shocked about it, he’s a republican
    that people like John Stewart seem to like, it’s kind of a rare breed.

    That newsletter that went out under Paul’s name for many years contained some pretty vile stuff.  Paul says he had nothing to do with its contents, but a lot of people aren’t buying it.

    He’s also on record for being against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and for some iffy conspiracy theories.

    http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/ron-pauls-world/?src=tp

  • Emmy

    Well Kelly’s stock just plummeted for me.  I love her voice, and she seems like a nice person – but this little twitter fiasco makes her seem rather clueless.  It’s disheartening to see someone publicly show their ignorance on such important matters.

  • http://aquayers.blogspot.com aquayers

    I just think Kelly isn’t fully informed yet about Ron Paul. Although I must say,Ron Paul is definitely better than the rest of GOP nominees. I agree with his stance that US must let every countries decide their own fate and don’t meddle with every country in the world. Since America is clearly having economic difficulty right now,it’s better to take care of the domestic first,rather than continue to incite another war like some hawkish candidates.

    But I always applaud Kelly for not being afraid to say what’s on her mind. I’ll give her that. LOL

  • BonnieDee

    To be fair, the Ron Paul “racist” info is just coming out.  

  • Valentin432

    Well that’s very bad timing to say the least.
    I’m sure Kelly doesn’t endorse Ron Paul because of what he did in the past but for the ideas he is defending now and if people who are paid to know this stuff are just discovering it now, I can’t quite fault her for not being aware of it.

    Of course that just reinforces the view that entertainers shouldn’t share opinions on politics, it’s just asking to be punished.

  • http://twitter.com/JoMartinezMusic Joe Martinez

    My girl KC….

    It was sad to see all the hate she got because of that, some people saying “I’m no longer your fan” like really? that low you go? I don’t think kelly’s informed enough about Ron and is just basing her opinion on the debates, which is good, but I think she should do a research

    Anyways, I love her no matter what and she is entitled to her opinion 100% :D

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UITYTUSGL7IK7WLFFDXXRYP7GA Falfor

    Eye Opener.
    Ironically the very people who claim to stand for NO HATE are the one’s hating toward those who ideas are still conservative not independent, to the one’s who refuse to change their thoughts and conform to crowd mentality, or the one’s who feel as they do because of experience, good or bad, and cannot be swayed by the new ideal of everything is okay and acceptable, or to those who think independently.

    True. anyone in the public eye opens themselves to scrutiny when making a statement of support, whether for or against, and someone is always going to disagree. Freedom of speech, however, is for everyone, as intended by the constitution, but rebuttal should be feedback, not berating. Hello Pot, I am Kettle. Hello Pan, I am Fire…

  • Anonymous

    Wow!  That was dangerous for Kelly to do, but she is entitiled.  I am a liberal, but I have more respect for Paul than any other candidate running, including Obama, who I worked for.  The man has an ethical core, and while I may not agree with many of his positions, he has a consistent position.  I cut him slack on some issues, because if his arguments are intellectually consistent, if not publicly popular, then I need to look at them more carefully.

    I don’t think the guy is racist nor are his supporters.  The press is afraid of this guy, and when both the conservative and liberal media go into mad bashing mode,, you know he scares both of them.  That is actually to his credit.

  • Anonymous

    The stuff has actually been out there for years and he has addressed it.  It is out now for the express purpose of attack, because the guy has a real chance of winning a primary.  Until very recently the news outlets did not even show his numbers, even as his paralelled other candidates. Our politics are considerably uglier than this guy’s past. And our news outlets control the dialogue.  Now that Paul can’t be totally ignored, he is attacked; our press is not serving us well, as it will do it to every non mainstream candidate and the two who have a chance at becoming president are flip sides of the same coin.

  • jersey

    Gosh it always amazes me how intolerant people can be. I’m an independent leaning slightly more conservative and if I hated on all the celebrities I disagreed with, I would have no one to be a fan of! That said, Ron Paul does off as a bit of a nut, to me.

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    I am with MJ 100% on this… Ron Paul has supported some pretty vile stuff over the years. He may try to run from his record now that he is running for president but the record is there. Does he have some good ideas… maybe but I will not support somebody who associates and seeks the endorsement of fanatical religious leaders that want to kill Americans. He is in bed with hateful homophobic preachers that actually want to kill gay people. I am not kidding those are the words they use.

    As for Kelly Clarkson, I agree with MJ… You should know what you are talking about before you wade into political discussions. You can review my posts I have had no problem with Kelly and have actually seen her in concert… that will not happen again. I do not spend my money supporting artists that support vile homophobic and racist candidates like Ron Paul.

  • V Jemmy

    Just another reason why one should never discuss religion, politics, or abortion.

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    I am not afraid of Ron Paul and I am not a member of the liberal media showing my bias. If you seek the support of a preacher that literally wants to kill Americans (gay Americans)… Not in the past but now and you do not denounce that preachers hate speech after being informed about it (as Ron Paul has been). You lose my vote and lose my respect. 

    You can say you didn’t read things published in your own name in the past… fine ok… but how about what you are doing now? Bending over forwards and backwards to secure the vote of fanatical Christian zealots in Iowa to win a caucus who want to kill Americans is as bad as courting the vote of the Taliban and religious hate groups that want to kill Americans.

  • koshka

    awwww poor Kelly! I suspect she was talking off the top of her head. 

    I’d really wish more people would research too… including celebrities and people who post on twitter and blogs. ;) Then I wouldn’t have to argue so much. j/k  Honestly, there is so much information about so much that its really getting hard to figure out whats what and what of that is credible. So many smear campaigns on either side (real and imaginary) what can you believe?

  • Anonymous

    I’m skimming this but where does Kelly say she’s a Republican. I thought she said she would vote for Ron Paul in a Republican primary. I’m a hard core Democrat but I could see where she’s coming from.

    Ron Paul is a libertarian and anti-American empire. I could see where that could be appealing to lots of folks.

  • Blower

    Gah i don’t even know what to say. People really get so ugly when it comes to politics and religious view.

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    I think Kelly would have been safer saying that she was leaning towards Ron after the debates but needed to know more about him before endorsing him to her fans (I have no clue about her follower count). If things are important to you as she indicated in her tweets such as human rights and racism then you might want to investigate where a candidate stands on those issues before stating that you support them for president.

  • Anonymous

    Well, Jemmy, I think we should talk about religion, politics and abortion. In a civilized, respectful manner. This is how we make decisions, both in our private life and in our public vote. My family is a mix of liberal, conservative, libertarian, occupy, tea party. Let’s just say…the holidays are lively. I grew up talking politics over turkey. And I’m better for it. I know more, I’ve had my beliefs challenged, I’m more thoughtful.

    As far as Ron Paul – it’s interesting to me that the “racist” “homophobe” “fanatic” labels have suddenly started appearing. After all, this gentleman has been in the public eye for years and has voted many times. With politicians, I look at their record, their achievements. Not what they say or what others say about them. Take a look at Mr. Paul’s votes. That will tell the tale.

    I have learned from my family discussions that when slurs starting popping up this usually means that the person who is throwing these words around would like to shut down the conversation rather than discuss the topic. Okay. I walk away from those labels and those conversations/rants because it’s pointless. 

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe I’m defending Ron Paul but why is it so shocking that Kelly supports him. And she’s probably as informed as most of the electorate. It’s just that she’s a celeb that it’s a big deal. But voting for a Libertarian kind of goes with Kelly’s overall persona!

    I love the headline though saying Kelly endorses Republicans. Do we get headlines that big when another Idol endorses Democrats. ;)

  • V Jemmy

    I’m skimming this but where does Kelly say she’s a Republican.

    It’s the third tweet listed up top.

    @QueenVampireX @sexidance I am a Republican but I actually voted Democrat last election.

  • Lovesyesha

    Ignorance surrounding Paul’s candidacy? What? The only ones ignorant here are the ones posting comments at Kelly. There is no way that Ron Paul is racist, and while I don’t agree with him, he is not only one of the only republican candidates who doesn’t look like a complete idiot in these debates, but he also at least stays true to what he believes in. I would never vote for him, but I totally understand why someone would. Kelly did nothing wrong here other than express her opinion, and people in this country need to learn to be more tolerant of what others think and feel.

  • Lovesyesha

    and by don’t agree with him, I meant his libertarian policies.

  • Anonymous

    Oops thanks for the clarification. Kelly seems like somone who votes for the person not the party hence the Obama vote. But the whole red state/blue state thing has gotten old for me. So I’m not hating on anyone for their political affiliation right now.

  • V Jemmy

    I’ve found that there’s enough information out there to make rational decisions without needing to discuss my personal views.  But hey, that’s just the way I was raised.  Lots of people were raised diffrently from me.  Whatever works for you to come to an informed rational decision is all good.

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    “homophobe” “fanatic” labels have been used in reference to Ron Paul for decades. Go back and read about his candidacy for public office in the past. I do not use the terms to shut down debate. If you have proof and can show me statements that Ron Paul has made where he condemns the comments of preachers seeking to kill Americans for being gay I would love to read them. You can go on Youtube and view clips of Ron Paul saying he read his papers (papers published with his name) over breakfast in the mornings (the same ones that are highly racist and homophobic) but now is saying he doesn’t remember seeing them and that he may not have read them at all. If I give him the benefit of the doubt and agree that he doesn’t remember that means his memory is spotty and that is not the best endorsement for president either. 

  • http://twitter.com/JoMartinezMusic Joe Martinez

    This, I can’t at your post
    First of all, you’re entitled to your opinion 100% and I respect that, but saying that you won’t support Kelly because she tweeted that she liked Ron Paul? This is the problem. People making one innocent tweet into a whole fiasco just because she’s a celebrity, I don’t think that’s fair for Kelly. Does it change the fact that she’s one of the best singers out there and is more down to earth than many of today’s celebrities combined? NO! She’s still the same Kelly we’ve grown to love, so I think you should still support her, while keeping political views aside.

  • Anonymous

    Yes.  The conversation has become so nasty it is hard to listen to and, sadly, I think internet commenting is part of the reason for it.  No one seems to have the verbal boundaries they once possessed.

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    I agree with jpfan2… I am over the red state/blue state distinction and wish I had somebody to vote for that I felt was not bought and paid for by special interest money. I have no idea at this point who I am voting for because I am not that excited about supporting any candidate that lines their pockets with endorsements from banks and Wall Street or that panders to fundamentalists in order to win a caucus.  

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe I’m defending Ron Paul but why is it so shocking that Kelly supports him.

      What’s so shocking is that Ron Paul is embroiled in a controversy around some newsletters that went out in his name from the late 70s to the mid 90s.

    There are some really appalling racist and homophobic statements in these newsletters. I mean REALLY appalling.

    http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man

    Paul claims to have had nothing to do with the letters, but not everyone is buying it. It’s a huge controversy right now. I’m not necessarily plugged into what’s going on in the political world, but I knew about them.

    Kelly got herself in trouble by endorsing a controversial candidate (yes, in light of  the letter controversy and some of his beliefs, like not endorsing the Civil Rights Act, supporting the John Birch Society, etc, he IS controversial) and then revealing she really wasn’t well informed of his backstory–got her into trouble on twitter last night.

    When I saw her tweet I basically said “Rhu Rho”.

    And as far as putting “Republican” in the headlines? How many of you assumed Kelly was a Democrat? I rest my case.

  • http://twitter.com/Justin_J9 Justin

    we shouldn’t try & help/tell other countries how to solve their issues w/the poor when we can’t even solve our own.

    lol i can’t, pls be more ignorant kelly

  • steph6449

    Eeps at the twitter to-do. Kelly seems surprised at the amount of hatin’ and such. She’s been fortunate if she’s never been the object of it online before. I’m really surprised that she engaged in debate with the people tweeting stuff to her, but maybe that is her style?

    I follow Republican politics some. Ron Paul is an odd duck, for sure. I’ve never taken him as a serious candidate for President, more someone out there to get visibility for his views and be part of the debate.

    The stuff about his newsletter only came to my awareness within the last week or two, on a political blog. It was pretty murky to know what to make of it without doing an investigative analysis, lol. From what I did read, even if his views are or were in sympathy with certain seriously offensive views of other people who were associated to the newsletter, I don’t see how that tweeter can claim that Ron Paul’s views have been “blatant.”  They escaped public awareness until just recently, even though he’s been around a long time in multiple Presidential primary seasons. Very understandable if Kelly completely missed hearing about it.

  • Anonymous

    Reminder:

    I’ll be going through this post to delete comments that don’t follow my guidelines.  Don’t tell posters how to behave or put words in their mouths.

  • Tess

    Gah i don’t even know what to say. People really get so ugly when it comes to politics and religious view.

    My sentiments exactly.  I applaud Kelly for expressing her views…I wonder at her choice of a sounding board to do so only because she has opened herself to be inundated with a part of her fan base who will disagree with her choices and will express themselves within the cloak of complete anonymity.  Its a brave (if somewhat idealistic) choice to express yourself as yourself as many celebrities have done in the past…its their rights as citizens….but it is also the rights of others to contradict their choices.  Its just a shame that they do it without fully disclosing who they are. 

  • Anonymous

    You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Ron Paul is for less government involvement since it’s been the GOVERNMENT restricting people and their ability to live their lives.  Ron Paul is not catering to anybody and has been consistent.

  • Anonymous

    Once again you talk out of your ass.  Don’t you realize it’s the GOVERNMENT that has been restricting people and their ability to lead their own lives.  Do a little research.  As a political science major,  I know what I’m talking about. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Milo-Fivers/100002722300007 Milo Fivers

    I usually listen to heavy metal and industrial music, but if Kelly Clarkson said something nice about Ron Paul and got bombarded with hateful tweets, then I’m going to have to show her some love. I’m going to buy one of her CDs and a couple of her songs from iTunes.

  • Anonymous

    Also? Name calling will get you an automatic banning.

  • Anonymous

    Media, both liberal and conservative, shows bias.  I used to think  the conservative media was the worst, but then I became addicted to the Huffington Post.  HP doesn’t even bother to be subtle, but many readers apparently think it is objective, when the site basically makes no pretense to that.  I can’t read it any more, I shame myself.

    More mainstream news shows bias often in what it chooses to report or not report and in its human interest stories, which are the least factual,  play to emotion, and are easiest (and cheapest) to write. Some stories are straight pieces of unidentified PR; I oughta know, I used to write it.

    The press is responsible for Ron Paul.  If no one knows his past, it is because they are only now getting around to reporting it – and now, he inspires more trust than them.  They treat politics like a sports event and fail to cover what the public needs to know. 

  • Anonymous

    It seems like a lot of the people who lashed out at Kelly on twitter are
    people who identify themselves as liberal and Democrat, but also are
    just as or even more uniformed about politics and the issues, and only think Republican = STUPID. Someone’s political opinion shouldn’t be the factor of whether or not you’re a fan of their music.

    Hate is unnecessary, and Kelly makes some good points about this. If you disagree with her, don’t hate. Give her your opinion like an intelligent civil person. IMO, once someone begins to attack and hate the person and not the belief, then I can’t respect their opinion, even if I agree with it.

    There’s a big difference between “OMG Kelly I can’t believe you support a
    RACIST! How could you! I’m burning your albums!” and “Kelly, I don’t
    know if you know, but there is controversy around Ron Paul and
    racism. I think you should check it out if you want to support him [link
    here]”

  • Anonymous

    I can see how a rich person who thinks she does not depend on government for anything could be seduced by Ron Paul’s message.  The truth is that we need a functioning government to move forward, and that includes many of the agencies Ron Paul has pledged to abolish.  Kelly herself depends largely on Copyright protection (albums, digital sales, rights over her music, etc…), which is likely to be abolished under a true Libertarian state. 

  • mmb

    Aw Kelly. On twitter, as in life, timing is everything. Couldn’t have picked worse timing than to publicly support a candidate currently embroiled in a controversy involving racism and homophobia. I think peeps were surprised ( I know I was ) to see Kelly- who has always seemed to me to be a screw the establishment, free, liberal and supremely tolerant person- support a candidate currently linked to statements that I have no doubt she would condemn. Of course she is entitled to support whoever she wants. Just have to be prepared for the inevitable backlash

  • Anonymous

    By the way…Kelly can believe what she wants.  I’ll still buy her music. I’m just trying to explain why some people on twitter are upset.

    Not to say that tweeting hate to Kelly is right, but I think it was naive of her to express a controversial political view, and then be surprised by the nasty reaction.

    If you’re going to endorse a political candidate on twitter, maybe take a glance at CNN first. ;).

  • http://www.facebook.com/steve.north2 Steve North

    No it isn’t.  It came out in the 1990’s and has been rehashed by the media over and over as it’s the only thing they have to try and smear a good man’s reputation.  They purposely chose to ignore the issue until a week before voting starts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/steve.north2 Steve North

    Ron Paul is not a racist.  Those newsletters were mainly investment reports and he was the publisher w/ 8 ghostwriters while he was practicing medicine and delivering 4,000 babies (thus didn’t have time to review the thousands of pages that went out).  The bigoted comments were a microscopic percentage of what was contained in these newsletters, but he has admitted that he should have been more diligent in monitoring what was going out, and has disavowed all of the bigoted comments.  

    Read all of Ron Paul’s books and essays, and watch every speech, interview, or debate he’s ever done and find me ONE instance of him being racist.  Don’t believe the corporate media LIES.  He is the one candidate who believes in individual rights for everyone, and by pardoning all non-violent drug offenders, which he has vowed to do, he will free more blacks than Abraham Lincoln and Barack Obama combined.  He is not racist, homophobic, ethnocentric and does NOT believe in the death penalty either.

    Unlike Obama, he’ll also end corporate welfare and bank bailouts, war, and infringements on civil liberty.

    Please do your research before you attack Kelly Clarkson (or anyone else) over their support of Ron Paul, and don’t dismiss him so easily as “just another Republican”

    The truth about Ron Paul and racism:

    http://www.dailypaul.com/195717/breaking-even-more-racially-charged-writings-by-ron-paul-uncovered

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    If I have absolutely no idea what I am talking about show me where Ron Paul denounces the religious leaders he has courted that call for the killing of gay Americans. Show me where… I am happy to go read new information, watch videos of the candidate himself, or further educate myself but you are not referencing anything other than saying he is for less government.

  • http://twitter.com/Justin_J9 Justin

    “Kelly, I don’t know if you know, but there is controversy around Ron Paul and racism. I think you should check it out if you want to support him [linkhere]” 

    What? She’s 30 years old, doing her research before making public statements like that is the least she can and should do. There’s no excuse.

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    I love it! That is what I do when I support an artist… buy their music. If you like what Kelly had to say buy her CD.

  • chearts77

    Eeeppp…this is why Carrie doesn’t speak politics.  LOL!!  Seriously, though, politics is what divides this great nation.   I was intrigued by Paul in the early goings of the campaign (due to his less government belief)…then he spoke about Foreign Policy and scared the bejeebies out of me.  Then the letters coming out recently…

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    I could not agree more Chillj! The bias is everywhere. You can hear the exact same facts presented on MSNBC and FOX with different inflections and emphasis and come away with a different opinion. My father said that he preferred it when the news was given in a straight forward manner without the punditry and sensationalism. I would love to do less work to try and stay well informed but it seems like you need multiple sources to try and figure things out.

  • halo9125

    Here’s the thing- I have the feeling that if Kelly came out endorsing a controversial Democrat candidate, the backlash wouldn’t have been so harsh. I have learned through personal experience that is is close to impossible for anybody in the entertainment industry to label him/herself a Republican without getting this sort of response.

    Granted, Ron Paul provides all sorts of ammunition- but I have a feeling that no matter which Republican Kelly chose to mention on twitter, the outcome would have been similar.

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    Well said stardust462! I agree with you 100%

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    LOL! ”
    If you’re going to endorse a political candidate on twitter, maybe take a glance at CNN first. ;).” OMG this gave me a huge laugh! On that note it is time for some oatmeal with a smile on my face.

  • Anonymous

    You missed my point, I think. I was talking about how there’s a way to civilly disagree with someone, not attack the person behind the beliefs. I’m of the mind set that everyone cannot know everything about everything. You don’t have to be a jerk to let people know that they’re not 100% informed.

  • Anonymous

    Steve North is correct. Do a little research before you believe everything you hear!

  • Anonymous

    So because there is controversy surrounding Ron Paul, that means he’s guilty of the things he’s accused of?  How naive are you?

  • breakdown

    Is it any more right to now buy somone’s music because you agree with them poltically then not buying because you don’t? Kelly brought out the crazies on both sides. I don’t like anyone being attacked for their views but she should have known there would be strong reactions.

  • Anonymous

    The bias in media is ridiculous, but it bothers me more when these outlets say they aren’t biased. It makes it difficult for the average person to be fully informed about the issues.

    Honestly, I don’t think many people want to take the time to read through the hype, rumors, and hearsay to find what the candidates truly believe in. People have jobs, homes, and families to worry about, and at the end of the day, they just want to sit and watch TV and unwind. Then their TVs are filled with negative campaign ads that are about what the opponent supposedly said or did, usually taken out of context, not what that candidate will do. This is why I hate politics.

  • musicality

    She just came down quite a few notches in my eyes. How can she not know the vile stuff Ron Paul has supported over the years. It hasn’t been a secret. Kelly, Kelly, Kelly not too bright are you?

  • Anonymous

    I’m a registered independent and I think Ron Paul is a nut, but it always baffles me when liberals who rail against those that hate, have no problem hating on those who have different views than they do. 
    I also think if it is believable that Barack Obama did not know Jeremiah Wright’s anti-American, racist views then it is believable Ron Paul did not know the hateful things in the newsletters that had his name on them.

  • Leandro Cardim Da Silva

    Despite Fox, all the entertainement industry is controlled by democrats, and Ron Paul never had a major support even in the republican party. He’s not even considered a republican by most of the republicans. She couldn’t pick a worse candidate about popularity.

    p.s maybe in a distant past Ron Paul had racist ideas, but I really don’t think he’s a racist by now. Racism doesn’t fit in his ultra-libertarian freak ideology. 

  • Kesia Monteith

    NO! If you like Kelly’s MUSIC, you can go and purchase it. 

    This is why I’m not always a fan of celebs talking about politics, because a lot them hardly know what they are talking about. Anyway, I always say, if I personally don’t like an artist, and make that as my decision to buy their music, I would hardly own any music. I’m a massive Marvin Gaye fan, and he was a complete loony asshat. James Brown is an icon, but serial womanizer, with allegations of domestic abuse. 

    I’m giving Kelly a break because I still like her for making catchy pop tunes, not for who she is voting for.

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    bjcoop21 I took your advice and did a little more research. I asked you to provide me with links to information that might change my mind and thought it only fair that I post some links to articles discussing the issue of the Paul campaign and the religious leader’s support that espouses killing gay Americans. 

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ron-pauls-campaign-touts-endorsement-of-pastor-who-advocates-killing-gay-people/

     

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/ron-paul-campaign-scrubs-radical-anti-gay-pastor-from-website.php

     

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?_r=3&ref=politics

     

  • http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

    Kelly, I love yah, but maybe you should stick to tweets about the being to cold to get out of bed to turn up the thermostat. There obviously aren’t enough reasonable people in the twitterverse out there that can withhold hate. 

  • Anonymous

    Kelly has learned a valuable less about going on twitter, don’t endorse people or products unless you research first. When you endorse people, you most likely will get some hate from people who don’t like who you endorse, especially someone who ‘s been accused of being a racist or homopobe. It’s obvious she’s hasn’t spent a lot of time on twitter if she naively believed that she can throw her support to the Republican party’s Oddball and not be bombarded with some hate. Twitter is the devil and while it can be used as a tool for good, it is also a instrument used to spew hate and vile. Kelly just ran into a truckload of it went she tweeted without thinking about the consequences of her actions.

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    Kesia you made very GOOD points. I love Marvin and James and you are right they had some serious issues! I still move my feet when James Brown is played. I agree we should give Kelly a break but still think that before making a political endorsement she might want to visit CNN!:)  I am still laughing about that quote!

  • larc

    Entertainers who are trying to sell to everybody would be well advised to keep their political opinions to themselves, IMO.  It’s not wise to risk alienating any potential music and ticket buyers.  Just ask the Dixie Chicks.

  • Anonymous

    MJ, CNN has an agenda.  I don’t get cable, but I watched a local Democrat  cite CNN’s agenda (via Jim Broude) in a couple of instances in this election, while mentioning that Ron Paul had repeatedly answered (in this primary) questions about his newletter.  The New Republic article you link is actually one of the most complete I have read about this candidate.  I subscribe to TNR, and it also has a point of view, which needs to be researched before it is read, but the articles are always thought provoking and fairly intellectually honest. 

  • Anonymous

    Reminder:

    I don’t want this thread devolving into a political discussion about Ron Paul. Let’s stick to talking about Kelly and celebrities in regard to Ron Paul and political discourse.

  • Tess

    This is why I’m not always a fan of celebs talking about politics, because a lot them hardly know what they are talking about.

    Personally, I think “celebrities” know as much about politics as your average joe on the streets.  Being in the public eye doesn’t turn someone into a moron about the issues that affect our country….though that meme has been blowing in the wind, forever.  I think what irritates the average joe is that celebrities do have a forum from which to express their opinions…something the rest of us would like to have.

    I may be pretty naive but I don’t think a lot of people have any connection with politics…they vote because they are “expected” to as one of their rights as a citizen.  It would be nice if all of us could be informed voters but it just won’t happen. 

  • Anonymous

    MJ, CNN has an agenda.  I don’t get cable, but I watched a local
    Democrat  cite CNN’s agenda (via Jim Broude) in a couple of instances in
    this election, while mentioning that Ron Paul had repeatedly answered
    (in this primary) questions about his newletter.

    I was being tongue and cheek with that comment, not really endorsing CNN. The point was that Kelly needed to make sure she was up on the issues–at least the latest news–before endorsing a candidate on twitter.

    This reminds me of Ashton Kutcher spouting off on Joe Paterno’s firing without having all the facts.

    Celebrities live in a bubble and aren’t always very well informed, which is why they should probably stick to discussing innocuous topics in social media, unless they don’t mind (or even court) controversy.

  • Anonymous

    Funny quote from Walt Kelly/Pogo re politics – he stood against “the extreme right, the extreme left, and the extreme middle.”  Sums it up pretty well – lol.

  • Anonymous

    I love KC and think she has every right to support whoever she chooses. I have the equal right to say Dayum, Kells, that man has a 40 year track record as a racist, intolerant, hating pig. WTF are you thinking?

  • Anonymous

    While Ron Paul’s views are polar opposite to mine I support Kelly’s right to say what she wants.  If that makes some people not buy her music that is their right.  It is sad the amount of hate that is spewed on twitter by cowards who most likely would not have the courage to say it to someones face.  It seems like there is a segment of the universe  just waiting for someone of note to screw up or say something they disagree with so they can attack. I would guess Kelly is shaking her head this morning at peoples foolishness and perhaps her own off the cuff remark.

  • Tess

    Celebrities live in a bubble and aren’t always very well informed

    How do we know, really, if they are informed or not.  We don’t really know if our politically spouting neighbor is well informed or are they just reiterating opinions that all their fore bearers had for hundreds of years.  Why are celebrities considered second class citizens when it comes to having political opinions?  I find that sentiment slightly offensive, myself.  There are lots of “smart” people who are well-known.  And sometimes, the biggest celebrities are the politicians, themselves…and they oftentimes live in unrealistic bubbles.

  • http://twitter.com/AwesomeWillis Willis White

    I’m happy Kelly isn’t afraid to speak her mind.  Of course she would get backlash no matter who she endorsed, which is why some celebs stay away from talking about politics. 
    I, like her, voted for Obama last election and now support Paul.  I’ve been a big fan of his monetary views for a while, but never thought he stood a chance in a general election.  With a weak GOP crop this time it looks like his best shot.  I will not be swayed by the sudden interest in old newsletters. I don’t believe they reflect Paul’s true views.  It’s the MSM doing their standard smear job and it works nearly everytime.  I do have to chuckle.  It’s just sad that our constitution and bill of rights has now become a punch line.  I, like Kelly, also don’t think that Paul will get the nomination anyway. And the banksters/elite will continue to own both sides of politics…
    It will be interesting to see if any other Idols throw their opinion in this coming election.  I’m thinking not many.

  • Anonymous

    “Celebrities live in a bubble and aren’t always very well informed, which is why they should probably stick to discussing innocuous topics in social media, unless they don’t mind (or even court) controversy. ”

    True, but some courageously defend their views, and because they contribute so much to campaigns, they have a lot of “skin in the game.”  A disillusioned Matt Damon just got bashed for attacking Obama, but he reflected the views of many of us perfectly-  and the guy is no intellectual slouch.   Everything a celebrity says is not relevant, but we all support people who vocalize exactly our own thoughts, celebrity or no. We all pay a price for free speech, but it was never really  free.

  • Anonymous

    Funny.  I’ve got my opinion.  She’s got hers.  Whatever.

  • Anonymous

    Pop artists rely on likeability (either personal or physical) to sell what they sell.  An example is Kelly’s Mr. Know It All, which is not that good of a song, and yet is No. 1 on HAC.  The song is a hit because people love Kelly.
    So, my advice to Kelly is to lay low for a while.  For example, if next week she makes a “getto” comment like the one she made when hosting “Today” earlier this year she’ll be in trouble.

  • dishwalla

    The reality is that there are probably other Idols who share Kelly’s political beliefs, and who may be even more extreme. But we are fortunate to live in a society that allows for those differences.

  • Anonymous

    How do we know, really, if they are informed or not.

    By the stupid things that often come out of their mouths?

    We don’t really
    know if our politically spouting neighbor is well informed or are they
    just reiterating opinions that all their fore bearers had for hundreds
    of years.

    I’m not sure what this has to do with my original point.

    Why are celebrities considered second class citizens when it
    comes to having political opinions?

    Because they have a “bully pulpit” by virtue of their fame. And there are people who will believe anything that comes out of a celebrity’s mouth, just by virtue of that fame. It can be downright dangerous.

    There are some celebrities who are well informed. Someone mentioned Matt Damon as an example. But there are many who are not. Every celebrity who has an opinion on politics should be prepared to take the heat.

    Sure spout off all you want famous people. I would never flame someone for their views, but I reserve the right to roll my eyes.

  • Anonymous

    I can see why Kelly would like Ron Paul.  He’s blunt, out-spoken and not afraid to speak his mind, just like Kelly.  Plus, he’s from Texas, lol.

    That being said, as a resident of the state of Iowa, I can attest that he’s running a terrific series of TV adds right now, calling his opponents “flip-floppers” and “serial hypocrites”, saying that Washington insiders are strangling our economy at the same time promoting himself as a man of principle and incorruptible, who has a “real plan”.

    But my bottom line (as a voter w/Republican tendancies):  He scares the heebee jeebies out of me, lol.  So yeah, Kelly, what were you thinking girl?

  • Anonymous

    MJ I didn’t know about the letters, but still, my fam would never vote for him because of the crazy stuff he says today. Sure he makes good points but would I be willing to take the good with the bad? hell no. He publicly blamed USA for 9/11…you can’t say stuff like that and call yourself an American President.

  • Kesia Monteith

    “Being in the public eye doesn’t turn someone into a moron about the issues that affect our country”
    Well, I never said that. My problem with some celebs, not all, but certainly some, when talking about politics, they are not always as informed. And I’m not gun ho hearing their opinions about politics when it seems their viewpoints are not always backed up by facts. Plus, it sometimes feels more like they are on a bandwagon, like this is the new thing people will give two cents on. But I don’t think they are morons. 

  • Tess

    I think politics often lead us to make blanket statements about segments of our populace that may be true for a small portion of that segment but are not always backed by fact.  I find that the most “stupid” comments about politics are spoken by men and women who make their living by being political commentators…every time I listen to talk radio I am totally amazed at how most of these MCs are totally out of touch with the reality of my, and my associates real lives…whilst they proclaim to be the voice of sanity in an insane world.

    And my point about “our neighbors” is that no person’s “opinion” can be relied on to be true and based solely on facts.  Most people are influenced by their own personal history and their own personal interaction with people (elected officials) who have the position to make decisions that affect our lives.

    And if people are so naive that they feed on the information spewed at them from “bully pulpits” is that the fault of those who express their opinions.  Everyone of us has the right to choose which path to follow and just because some people are influenced by “fame” doesn’t disallow the right of the famous to express their views.

  • Anonymous

    I live in Iowa also. I can’t wait for next week when this caucus is over. Not a smart move for Kelly. Most celebrities who mention politics wait till the pary candidate has been chosen. There are several in this field that scare the heebee jeebies out of me.

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul fully admitted to making the statement, “If you have ever been robbed by a black teenage male, you know how unbelievably fleet of foot they can be.”
    Yes, he is a racist.

  • Kesia Monteith

    What!!?? LOL! As an Jamaican-Canadian…I don’t know, I should be offended, but I’m not. Because it sounds so stupid. But if that is the Libertarian some people want to support against the government, so be it.

  • Anonymous

    I should have put the link to the quote. It appears in this ABC News article. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/newt-gingrich-presses-ron-paul-to-explain-racist-newsletters/

  • Anonymous

    I like “Know It All,” and think it is better than  most of Kelly’s songs.  I agree about the “ghetto” comments she makes, though; she has made me wince more than once, and I don’t go out of my way to watch her.  Kelly just does not seem socially or politically sophisticated – but so what, neither is her music.

  • musicality

    Celebrities as anyone else has a right to their views. However, if they are going to publicly state them then they should also be aware of the potential fallout and not go whining about being hated on. Toughen up Kelly. If you publicly state a controversial view don’t go whining in your whosay page about “haters”. I like some of Kelly’s music but never could stand her whining. She is always complaining about someone or something.

    After reading the tweets maybe she should have taken some time to educate herself then come back and either stand by her belief or admit she was wrong. If she stands by her beliefs then she shouldn’t start whining when people disagree with her.

  • Anonymous

    Kelly comes off as slightly clueless since she says she hasn’t heard about him being tagged (correctly or not) as a racist and homophobe. She’s certainly entitled to support whatever candidate she wants to, but maybe she should research her preferred candidate a little more thoroughly before talking publicly?

  • Kesia Monteith

    OY! at that article….OY!!

  • Anonymous

    Agreed. We hear many people tell actors & singers to “shut up” about politics, but they are American citizens who have the right to express their views just like anybody else. I support Kelly’s right to endorse whoever she chooses, but like many on this board, I think she may have spoken too soon. People in the public eye will have their words examined more critically than others, so it is best that they think carefully before they tweet or speak. If after all is said and done, Kelly decides that Ron Paul is her man (he’s definitely not mine), she should stand by her statement.

  • BAPC

    The hate against republican celebrities is just ridiculous. The United States is a free country and everyone is entitled to a vote and an opinion. Every candidate has major faults and scandals associated with them. Some are known and some will become known as the election approaches. Personally, I think supporting a candidate with a clear plan for fixing this broken government is more important than paying attention to dramatized media scandals. I would not pull my support of a candidate because of things they may or may not have said 20+ years ago. 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think Kelly has been on twitter that long and she probably is not use to people disagreeing with what she tweets. She either needs to get a tougher skin or she needs to stay off of twitter. I think she forgot that instantaneously millions of people see her tweets and there are going be several to tweet in response, especially when it comes to politics, racism and homophobia. 

  • Tess

    Yup…for me the bottom line is for anyone who decides to make a political decision they need to reply to anyone challenging that decision that the choice is an individual one and then stick by their choice, or modify it if the contrary evidence is enough to change their individual decision.  We can get into political discussions if we so desire but we shouldn’t have to debate our decisions unless we choose to and if we choose to we should have the balls to stand behind our declarations.  And if others “choose” to support you or not based on individual decisions its also their choice….shallow as that may seem to be.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone of us has the right to choose which path to follow and just
    because some people are influenced by “fame” doesn’t disallow the right
    of the famous to express their views

    I never said celebrities should be banned from stating their views. Just that they should be careful, because people are listening uncritically. And to be prepared for negative feedback. It’s NOT the same as Joe Blow bloviating across his white picket fence. It just isn’t.

    As far as political pundits go–they are labeled as such and are doing their job badly or well.  Those people get their share of scrutiny, but tend not to whine about it, because it’s part of their job.  And for the record, I find some of those people a little dangerous as well.

  • TLKC

    Well I might pull my support, especially without a full retraction of old behaviour. Because people often “clean themselves up nicely” for big occasions / national campaigns without necessarily changing their underwear / views.

    I reserve the right to change my mind as new info becomes available.

  • Anonymous

    In Kelly’s case, her ignorance of the issues around Paul’s candidacy only made it worse.

    Exactly.
    I have no problem with a celebrity expressing their political views. I love talking about politics, and I don’t really support this modern idea that politics isn’t something to discuss with people. Talk about your politics, it is how change happens!
    However, be informed. I think people like Kelly and Michelle Branch who tweet they support Ron Paul, while being ignorant of the very big stories that follow him around, make them look like damn fools.

  • Anonymous

    As far as Ron Paul – it’s interesting to me that the “racist” “homophobe” “fanatic” labels have suddenly started appearing.

    This isn’t new. This info has been out for years.

  • Anonymous

    Aw, I like Kelly, so this is kind of disappointing for me.  And I’m a Democrat, so the thought of supporting Ron Paul (or any GOP candidate, for that matter) doesn’t compute.

    But mostly I am shocked by her apparent naivety.  If you make any political endorsement on twitter, better be ready for feedback.  And it won’t be pretty.

  • Anonymous

    She’s not alone in being ignorant of the facts about this or any other candidate. All too often Americans vote in a knee-jerk way for the candidate that represents their party, rather than their broader values. There isn’t a single decent human being in the Republican field; every one of them smacks of self-interest and has little respect for individual Americans, yet I’m sure the Republican faithful will vote for whoever wins, regardless.

    Kelly may have learned a valuable lesson; one I was taught when tending bar many decades ago. Never discuss politics or religion with customers. Any pop star who gives their views on those two subjects will alienate part of their audience, and that’s not good for business.

  • Anonymous

    Although I vowed never to go to the Huffington Post again ( I am weak) because of sleazy journalism, Robert Scheer, a very liberal Democrat, posted a rebuttal to todays NYT editorial marginalizing Ron Paul.  He makes valid points. 

  • musicality

    As I said above I don’t care too much for Kelly’s personality. If I knew her in the real world I’d probably be telling her to STFU or to quit her whining. However, in her tweet she did unequivocally say she does not support racist or homophobic views. All though she states she likes Ron Paul’s attitude toward government she is apparently clueless as to who he is as a person.  I think Kelly says really stupid things and doesn’t think them through. If I truly believed she was racist or homophobic I’d erase every trace of her from my iPod and never touch her music again. I think she’s simply ignorant and a perhaps quite a bit self-involved. If her music strikes me I’ll buy it. I doubt I’d ever bother seeing her in concert though.

  • Anonymous

    No it’s not, this has been hashed and rehashed for the last 22 years.

    All you are seeing is the ONLY $%@# that the media has left after blacking him out. With only the most minimal attempt to research this any dolt will see this attack has been clearly debunked.

    But the thought is that if you’re trying desperately to attack the character of the politician everyone has been waiting their whole lives for; An Honest one that stands up to defend the Constitution, when you throw $#&^ at them you got to hope
    some of the smell stays on them when it falls off.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not any worse than statements made Harry Reid who admired Obama because he was “light-skinned…with no negro dialect”

    OR

    Joe Biden who said “You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.  I’m not joking”

  • connie0128

    “I will listen to what you say and any articles or viewpoints you have when you say it with respect.”

    Kelly probably should have discussed her political views with a few people before tweeting them and maybe she would have been more informed.  However, I agree with her statement above.  It’s possible to disagree with her without the name-calling, hate, and threatening behaviors some of the tweeters exhibited.  As others here have stated, it IS possible to have a respectful debate of the issues/concerns while remaining courteous and respectful. I have certainly changed my mind when I have been given additional information.  I am a lot older than Kelly and I’ve done/said some pretty stupid stuff.

    I just hope Kelly doesn’t stop tweeting.  I absolutely agreed with her about being too cold to get out of bed and turn the thermostat up.

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  • Anonymous

    I’m not a fan of Ron Paul, and I think there is plenty of evidence to suggest that his views on race and sexual preference are regressive, or at least, have been regressive for much of his life.  If Kelly’s positions on racism and gay rights are  what she says they are, and are as important to her as she claims – and I have no reason to doubt her – she should have been more careful to investigate Paul’s record before endorsing him on social media.   I could care less about her political opinions when I am buying her music, but if she is feeling persecuted today, she is more naive than I would have imagined.

    At least Kelly can take comfort in the notion that she won’t be persecuted for views in the way that the Dixie Chicks were – I doubt that pop radio is going to take her off their playlists the way country radio instantly shut down the Chicks when Natalie Maines criticized a Republican President.  And the pop music industry won’t treat her like a pariah, in the way the Country music industry treated the Chicks, and pop audiences won’t be burning Kelly’s CDs.  

    I am and will remain a fan of Kelly’s. But I wonder if everyone defending her today was sticking up for the Dixie Chicks when they were under attack – a far more severe attack – a few years ago.        

  • Pamela McCoin

    Just so you know, most Democrats were against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. If it weren’t for the Republicans in the Congress, it never would have passed.

  • Reflections On Life

    “Man my eyes have been opened to so much hate tonight. If y’all ever disagree with something I say please don’t feel the need to attack me. ”
     
    Whether she’s ignorant of RP or not, this statement showed a true ignorance of social media. Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, the blogosphere – the comments and responses are a no-holds-barred cesspool of attack speech and hate speech.  When you disagree with someone, you do attack them, and personally. Thank goodness MJ controls for this behavior in her blog, but Kelly, honey, this has been the de facto internet code of conduct for the past half-decade if not longer.

    There’s a reason publicists exist. Why celebrities tweet directly (w/o at least having their PR person review their tweet before it goes it) is absolutely beyond me.

  • Anonymous

    Just so you know, most Democrats were against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

    I don’t know about most but certainly Southern Democrats, of which there were MANY 50 years ago, were against the Voting Rights Act.

    The Democratic/Republican parties of 50 years ago don’t resemble their modern counterparts at all. Comparisons between the two are not apt.

  • http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

    I’m all for someone with celeberity status condemning and being appalled at the hate on Social Media networks. Hate needs to be exposed in every instance so I’m not going to agree with “the Internet is evil”. Each of us can make it better and make a difference if we so choose. 

  • Anonymous

    And the individual mandate was originally a conservative think tank idea; go figure.  There are valid Constitutional reasons for disagreeing with the Civil Rights act, even if the  intent is favored, and I think most people favor the intent.  The question needing resolution is often not THAT someone voted for something, but WHY, and that is why we are so often misinformed.  We rarely know the why.

  • Anonymous
  • Reflections On Life

    “I’m all for someone with celeberity status condemning and being appalled at the hate on Social Media networks.”

    Just to clarify, being appalled by it and condemning it is one thing. Being *surprised* by it is what I took issue with. That was pure naive ignorance.

    BTW – great discussion, everyone!

  • Anonymous
    Why
    are celebrities considered second class citizens when it
    comes to having political opinions?

    Because they have a “bully pulpit” by virtue of their fame. And there are people who will believe anything that comes out of a celebrity’s mouth, just by virtue of that fame. It can be downright dangerous.

    There are some celebrities who are well informed. Someone mentioned Matt Damon as an example. But there are many who are not. Every celebrity who has an opinion on politics should be prepared to take the heat.

    You are so, so, so right. There are more than a few people who take anything their pet star says as gospel, regardless of what it is about. I am always flabbergasted when celebrities are surprised that people react strongly to what they say. They aren’t ordinary people, and whether it is a blessing or a burden depends on the situation.

  • askew3

    I love how Kelly is upset at all the hate getting thrown at her but is completely unfazed by the unbelievably disgusting racism and anti-Semitism that Paul has shown throughout his career. She can overlook those disgusting comments, but people attacking her directly hurt her feelings. Perhaps if she was Jewish, gay or African-American she would care about Paul’s bigotry.

    With her endorsement and refusal to withdraw it once she was shown Paul’s racism, she has been added to my list of celebrity boycotts. Endorsing and excusing a bigot is a bridge too far for me.

  • askew3

    There’s no problem with discussing any of those things as long as you aren’t ignorant and are ready to face consequences for your beliefs. Kelly seems to think she can come out and proclaim her love for the most bigoted politician to run for the Presidency since Pat Buchanan and not face any consequences for it. Sorry Kelly that’s not how it works. When you endorse someone whose views are supported by White Power groups, you are going to have some consequences for it.

    And anyone who claims to be a “liberal” and supports Paul is either not a liberal or has no idea what Paul’s real views are.

  • http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

    Naivete is a lost art in today’s society so I actually considered it refreshing:) 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve learned it the other way around, that Democrats were for it and Republicans were not. Hmm.

    At any rate, I think Kelly’s just being American. A lot of us support politicians without knowing everything about them. I’m a Democrat so it kind of disappoints me that she is for a Republican, but oh well.

  • askew3

    Paul’s been called a racist for years, because he is one. The only reason it is getting major coverage now is because he never got any real support from voters. Now that he stands a chance of winning the Iowa caucus reporters are looking at his record, his newsletters and his public comments. And they are finding some really, really disturbing things.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    I have nothing against celebrities speaking their minds or getting involved in policy issues and the political process, as long as they educate themselves before they do so. They are citizens just as we all are, but just as I’d want them to educate themselves, I’d want the non-celebrity citizen to do so as well.

    Carole King shows up on Morning Joe on MSNBC every once in a while and speaks quite eloquently and intelligently about environmental issues and animal rights. I’m sure Robert Redford could do so as well. As I understand it, Rob Reiner is incredibly knowledgeable about early childhood education and even considered running for office. Many celebrities suffer illnesses or deal with issues themselves or in their families which lead them to become educated and champion a particular cause.

    It’s the rare celebrity, however, who can speak intelligently on multiple, complicated policy issues, just as it’s the rare average citizen who can do so. Even some people who *do* work in the government are woefully ignorant. Kelly clearly isn’t the type of person who knows that much about many policies, but it’s no black mark against her. It would be best, though, for her to actually learn more about Paul’s back story before endorsing him. Let’s leave his views on race, gender, and sexuality aside and let’s just talk about his anti-government, libertarian views in relation to Kelly.

    The fact that Kelly made her pronouncement about supporting Paul and his anti-government views on the internet is kind of ironic, since the internet’s very existence is as a result of tax dollars going to the Defense Department to do the initial research. The private sector couldn’t do it because it required an enormous amount of seed money and research, with the great potential for failure and no guarantee that a buck can be made off of it and *that’s* what the private sector looks for. If they can’t make money — and relatively quickly — they won’t invest. Plus, if they can cut corners to make profits faster and easier, they will. That’s why even wealthy people like Kelly need government regulation and inspection and safety standards to travel on roads, in the skies, for clean water and air, to maintain the electrical grid, to inspect foods and drugs, to regulate how industries operate, to have their children vaccinated against diseases that have been virtually wiped out, to ensure an educated population, to do the basic research for a laundry list of maladies and diseases that kill, to ensure that justice system operates fairly, to invest the initial dollars for green energy and energy conservation, and so on and so on.

    What would she like to invest less in? What inspections would she halt? What research would she stop? Which industry needs less regulation? Whose health problems or education can we stop supporting?

    And, if her life is harmed by any of those choices, will she pledge not to sue the government for not protecting *her* against that product, or foodstuff, or drug?

    The preamble of the Constitution includes these words: “…promote the general welfare…” I think those words were kept purposefully broad to take in everything that “insures domestic tranquility” and “secures the blessings of liberty,” because if we had none of these protections, then most of us couldn’t *be* citizens. We’d be too busy trying to be survivors on a very basic level.

  • askew3

    Unless you are a woman of course. Then, he supports a constitutional amendment giving the government control over a woman’s body.

  • Anonymous

    So much for the whole idea of free speech. This is a disgusting
    display by these individuals that are harassing her about her
    opinion. It’s not unreasonable for them to disagree; but what’s
    going on goes way beyond that.

  • Kesia Monteith

    Excellent post, Sassycatz. :)

  • askew3

    Free speech means that the government won’t impede your ability to speak your mind freely. It doesn’t mean that you are free to speak your mind without criticism from other people. It also doesn’t mean that you won’t face private consequences for speaking your mind. Kelly is not being denied her free speech because many people are criticizing her for supporting a bigot. Kelly won’t be denied her free speech when people (like myself) boycott Kelly’s music because she supports a anti-Semitic bigot. She made the choice to publicly  back a bigot. People who disagree with her have the choice of publicly calling her out on her support for Paul and/or boycotting her over supporting a guy who thinks Israel shouldn’t exist.

  • Ringo

    My impression is that the Republican party tends to be a white based, gay intolertant group.  So if you are running as a Repubiican candidate, you are likely to hold racist, anti-gay views.  I realise that is a stereotype view of mine and there are obviously exceptions.  I view the critique of Ron Paul as really being that he may have said things that each of the other candidates, and many Republicans, are thinking.

    What I think is attractive to K.C. and many others about Ron Paul is his Libertarian views.  You are damn right that I want personal freedom and to keep my money and to allow everyone to be the best they can be free from government intervention.  Ayn Rand is a great read too.  I just think the viewpoint is unrealistic and a little dangerous. But discussing it in the marketplace of ideas is what this country is all about, so I think we should be thanking K.C. for putting her viewpoint out there.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent post, Sassycatz. :)

    Agreed!

  • Anonymous

    Disclaimer:  I didn’t read all the posts (I usually do), before writing the following because …. well, because it’s quite intense.  :)

    Anyway, imo the only reason Ron Paul is getting so much attention at this time is because the Republican field of potential candidates is so WEAK this time around.  The first darling this time around was Romney, then Perry, then Herman Cain, then Newt, and now….Ron Paul starts to get a little traction.  It’s a mess.  The Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot at every turn.  UGH.  I am a conservative with republican leanings, and even I am having difficulty stomaching this current brood of presidential hopefuls.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Let me just add, a lot of public money goes into private companies and private universities to do basic research, and they lobby for it! So, even some great new inventions or products coming from the private sector have initial seed money from a government dept. or agency if not from a private foundation which raises money from citizens.

  • ronnie

    It’s shocking that she would support a candidate like this without properly researching them.  I will no longer be buying anything from her.

  • Anonymous

    I think Kelley had every right to state an opinion and I dont agree that
    anyone should expect to be “flamed.”  There was an opportunity for a
    discussion and dialogue….”flamers” have no interest in dialogue, only
    showing disrespect for a a difference of opinion.

    I empathize.  I am the only Republican in a family of long-standing Democrats.  They are convinced that there is no political debate…you are either Democrat if you stand for good, and Republican if you stand for evil.  They are totally ignorant of the fact that American democracy strives on the political dialectic between the left and the right, and no one way is good and no one way is evil.  Because of this bias on the left to paint Republicans as evil, you cant even get in a discussion so they never realize there are two sides to every issue.  No political party has a monolopy on Truth….Truth (like Peace) is a balance. 

  • Anonymous

    ahhh politics a system designed to take advantage of how lazy most American’s are in regards to their government. 

    I have so many things I could say on this hahaha.  I don’t find fault with Kelly sharing her political views.  But she shouldn’t be surprised or upset that people were upset when she even said she was completely clueless of the major controversies surrounding her preferred candidate.  

    I know I was surprised buy her political views, since from all of her interviews I have seen I took her for more liberal than conservative. I should have remembered she was from the south.  Doesn’t change my opinion of her music but perhaps some research next time hun!

  • BAPC

    Completely agree. I don’t see how someone can be “disappointed” by another person having a different political view from their own. If there was one single party, we would come under authoritarian rule. Our differences serve as checks and balances in our political system. In my opinion, we don’t have enough differences in our system. Our population doesn’t fall into one of two categories. We should have many more political parties, as our forefathers intended. 

    Also, saying all republicans are “white anti-gay racists” is a racist statement because you are using “white” to describe an entire group of people based on racial prejudice and stereotypes. As a white, pro-gay rights, non-racist republican, I find it very ignorant. 

  • musicality

    I just went back to her twitter page and reread her last tweet. On second thought I just may erase her from my iPod. Her tweet was one of the lamest, stupidest things I have read. When given a ton of evidence that shows Paul’s anti-semitic, racist, homophobic, anti-female views her reply was :

    “I am really sorry if I have offended anyone. Obviously that was not my
    intent. I do not support racism. I support gay rights, straight rights,
    women’s rights, men’s rights, white/black/purple/orange rights. I like
    Ron Paul because he believes in less government and letting the people
    (all of us) make the decisions and mold our country. That is all. Out of
    all of the Republican nominees, he’s my favorite.”

    So in other words she will vote a man into office who would gladly take away others rights if he could because he is her fav. But that’s ok because he believes in less government.

  • Anonymous

    Completely agree. I don’t see how someone can be “disappointed” by
    another person having a different political view from their own.

    I can. I completely respect others having different views from me, but my beliefs are very important to me, and someone who would support Ron Paul is supporting someone who supports things I personally abhor.

  • Anonymous

    Let this be a lesson to celebs. Posting about politics on social media is not a wise thing to do, unless you really know what you’re talking about and I think Kelly didn’t know what she was talking about. Pissing off people, who are supporting your music career could very well mean the death of your career. Let’s face it, she sings pop fluff, who not very many people even care about. It’s very easy to dismiss her.

  • Kylee

    Meh although I’m not really a Ron Paul fan, I respect her for not going with what ever traditional left-wing Hollywood says.

  • Anonymous

    So in other words she will vote a man into office who would gladly take away others rights if he could because he is her fav. But that’s ok because he believes in less government.blockquote>
    I just don’t she fully thought this through. She sometimes don’t think before she starts running her mouth. I don’t know why she thinks pointing out something good she likes about him justifies her support of a bigot and homophobe.

  • Anonymous

    Bravo Sassycatz! Bravo!

    Im not mad at Kelly. I will always be a fan, and she is entitled to her opinions, however I’m not going to lie, I’m a little disappointed. I wish she had taken the time to educate herself on the facts a bit more thouroughly before publicly endorsing ANY candidate. Sigh….

    Also, someone should tweet her a link to your very cogent and illuminating post.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry if this has been mentioned here already. There is an article about this tweeter fiasco at the Billboard website:

    http://www.billboard.com/news/kelly-clarkson-michelle-branch-unofficially-1005762552.story#/news/kelly-clarkson-michelle-branch-unofficially-1005762552.story 

  • Anonymous

    I consider what she said to be incredibly ill-informed. But I really really hate the fact that there are so many people who, rather than disagreeing and criticizing, spill a bunch of vitriol. I guess if you’re saying stuff on Twitter though, especially if you’re a celebrity, you shouldn’t be surprised when you get hit by the vitriol, since Twitter’s where so many of these folks hang out.

  • Anonymous

    I respect people who don’t support racist and homophobes. 

  • Kylee

    Democrats get a pass by the mainstream media.

  • Kylee

    Obama DID attend a church that had a racist and anti-American pastor. And his wife made that comment about being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life. But when people support Obama, that doesn’t necessarily mean they are racist or anti-American.

  • musicality

    I don’t see how someone can be “disappointed” by
    another person having a different political view from their own.

    I can be “disappointed” in someone who supports someone whose belief system is well beyond political but is dangerous. I don’t care if someone is independent, Republican or Democrat. I have voted for all three parties. I vote for who I feel is the best for the job and for the state of the country at that particular time.

    I will never, ever however by any stretch of the imagination support someone who has a long, vocal history of racism, anti semitic, chauvinistic, homophobic views. Kelly presented with these facts basically dismisses it all and makes the most idiotic and contradictory statement. I now view her as a complete empty-headed fool.

  • Anonymous

    Posting about politics on social media is not a wise thing to do, unless you really know what you’re talking about and I think Kelly didn’t know what she was talking about. Pissing off people, who are supporting your music career could very well mean the death of your career. Let’s face it, she sings pop fluff, who not very many people even care about. It’s very easy to dismiss her.

    I agree, I don’t think Kelly knew what all she was supporting when she made her original statement. Even though she sings pop fluff, she has a large percentage of gay fans. This seems to be one of the main problems. Add in the fact that RP is viewed by many as a racist and Kelly made a very controversial statement, even though she is in no way a supporter of racist or homophobic views.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    What does Obama have to do with this, this is about Kelly and her support of Ron Paul. It’s not Obama who’s supporting and endorsing this nutcase. It’s Kelly Clarkson who went on twitter and ran her mouth about  him and then got upset that people were offended by her tweet. No one is accusing Kelly of being anything but naive, stupid, and uninformed. She should have known better. 

  • Anonymous

    It will blow over, if Adam can survive the messes he get into, Kelly will sure be okay with barely a scratch on her. 

  • Anonymous

    So in other words she will vote a man into office who would gladly take away others rights if he could because he is her fav. But that’s ok because he believes in less government.

    Not neccessarily. Kelly voted for a Democrat during the last election. She stated that Ron Paul was her favorite out of all the Republican nominees, not that she was going to vote Republican. Plus, Kelly could easily change her mind if she saw where RP supported things she could not agree with. Or she could simply agree more with Obama on the main issues and vote for him again.

  • Anonymous

    and his wife made that comment about being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life. 

    That’s not what she said.  That’s the version that the people on Fox gave.

  • Anonymous

    Every political candidate has their skeletons, and honestly this doesn’t change my opinion on Kelly at all. I will always love her and she will always be the best singer to ever come from these shows. 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think so, any publicity is good in the pop music world. If anything I bet it helps her. 

  • CindyM

    Blake Shelton tweeted his support for Kelly and his willingness to “throat punch” on her behalf.

    “@blakeshelton: @kelly_clarkson I love you!!!! I’ll listen to your view points anytime. And I really wouldn’t mind throat punching someone for you either!!”

    Kelly responded with thanks.

  • Anonymous

    Love it, go TEAM BLAKE!

  • Anonymous

    Just because Kelly is supporting Ron Paul doesn’t mean she’s stupid, naive or uninformed. I’m not following the twitter controversy but I’m tired of people being attacked because of their political beliefs. I’m never voting for Ron Paul but I’m not calling people names because they chose to.

    Calling someone who disagrees with your opinion stupid is just a cop out IMHO.

  • Anonymous

    I think Kelly’s tweet illustrates a problem that is really very common: People not taking the time and effort to really check out the candidates they vote for, and instead going by sound bytes that they heard and liked. 

  • Anonymous

    Like it’s my opinion that it’s stupid. We agree to disagree. Could have called her dumb, but since she’s been in the music business for years, she should have been aware of what she was doing. So I called her stupid, stupid people know better, but they do it anyway. 

  • Anonymous

    That’s a big problem in this country, we don’t take the time to actually do our own research, we allow others on these cable shows to tell us what to think and after a while, their bias views become our own.

  • Anonymous

    I think Blake is pretty conservative.

  • musicality

    Kelly will lose about a handful of fans out it but other than that she got free publicity. Some people’s views of her will change like my own. But look what Michael Jackson did and yet he still has this hardcore, nutty fanbase. What she did was just show complete ignorance. But again no one expects celebrity’s to be intelligent.

  • Anonymous

    I think she’s intelligent, just not very thorough in checking out the people she’s tweeting about. She’s a pop star, it’s free publicity and in the end she will probably get a boost in sales.

  • Kylee

    My point it, despite his questionable past in a racist church, its not different than the celebrities who have publicly supported Obama.

  • LiberalMediaIsCorrupt

    I don’t think those are her “fans”.

  • Anonymous

    Agree 100%, this won’t and shouldn’t hurt her one bit in terms of her singing, touring, etc.

    Plus this will be an AWESOME SNL skit in a couple of weeks when she is the musical guest…

  • Anonymous

    It is not a “racist church” but this isn’t the time or place to carry things further (and I don’t have the energy)

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely, it’s got people talking about her and it will give her something interesting to talk about when she go on the talk shows. 

  • ronnie

    She’s made a fool out of herself, that’s the problem.  “I support Ron Paul.” “Kelly, what about the newsletters?”  “What newsletters?”  It would be different if she had an answer to the question, but she acts like she has no idea what anyone is talking about.  She looks like an idiot.

  • http://twitter.com/JoMartinezMusic Joe Martinez

    Ronnie, “I will no longer buy anything from her”? close minded you are? Ok, so she made a mistake, SHE APOLOGIZED, she voiced her opinion, and you don’t agree with it, we get it, but that doesn’t change the fact that she’s one of the best artists of this generation.

  • Anonymous

    It is not a “racist church” but this isn’t the time or place to carry things further (and I don’t have the energy)

    Yep, it’s not. Let’s stick to talking about Kelly

  • judes

    I am not American so won’t join in about this discussion- just something I noticed-the article MJ posted on the 1st page says Ron Paul is a Texan- maybe Kelly is supporting a “home” candidate?

  • http://twitter.com/JoMartinezMusic Joe Martinez

    it’s very different Kelly to the Dixie Chicks, the singer talked about how she was disappointed the president of the US was from Texas, and I believe this was in 2002/2003, when Bush was “cool”? so people were obviously outraged. What kelly did was an innocent tweet, saying she would consider voting for Ron Paul, and that he had good ideas, THAT’S IT.

  • askew3

    What Kelly did was much worse. She said Paul had good ideas. Unfortunately, his “ideas” are based on his bigotry and his crazy conspiracy theories. So, she was ignorant and supported a bigot. The Dixie Chicks just said they were embarrassed that Bush was from Texas.

  • http://twitter.com/JoMartinezMusic Joe Martinez

    THAT’S right, the version that “the people on Fox gave”, like they do with everything else related to politics. I’ve learned something from watching the news: NEVER TRUST THEM WITH POLITICS, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BHCD4X7GHJ23SMJ2M2RCQUSNUM Pat

    I bought 2 of Kelly’s albums,the most recent primarily to support her.  I won’t buy another one.
    Maybe I am a minority but I do care about the politics of the people I support.

  • Anonymous

    That’s fine, you’re entitled to do whatever you feel is right, just like she is entitled to like a candidate for some of his policy views without making her a carbon copy of said candidate. 

  • Tess

    If I based my liking of a singer on things such as their politics, their moral views, their life style, etc. I think I would probably start running out of people to fan and support.  I don’t think anyone out there has the same views as me on every little thing.  But if someone did…they would be one smart cookie.

  • Anonymous

    You know who supported Ron Paul four years ago? WWE pro wrestler Kane. That doesn’t make him or WWE racist bigots because he likes the idea of less government. Same goes for Kelly. 

  • Anonymous

    “And anyone who claims to be a “liberal” and supports Paul is either not a liberal or has no idea what Paul’s real views are. “Actually, that is not so.  A great many liberals love half of what Ron Paul says, but can’t wrap their brains around the other half.  He is anti-war, and great numbers of people who are tired of endless war like that part of him.  He is also the rare politician who did not support the National Defense Authorization Act, which just blew through congress.  The bill did not get a lot of press, but it was opposed by both the ACLU,  other civil liberties interest groups – and Ron Paul.   The bill authorizes the arrest of suspected terrorists on the basis of accusation only by the military, which may hold them indefinitely without trial.  The bill is unconstitutional, and the concern over the removal of “due process,”  that most basic of civil liberties, will induce many to support Ron Paul, who otherwise would not have considered him.  He would preserve basic civil rights in the wake of the Patriot Acts, which sold them down the river, and that is why he is enjoying so much support from both the far left and libertarians.

  • ryan anderson

    Wow the hypocrisy is amazing. Sen. Robert Byrd was an admitted KKK member and even filibustered the civil rights act in the 60s. Yet he remains a beloved liberal figure to this day. I guess only Democrats can have a racist, homophobic past and denounce them. It was 40 years ago who gives a shit if Paul wrote them or not. People change as they get older

  • Anonymous

    Whoever said she was a racist, I’m just saying she did a stupid thing. She endorsed someone who she clearly didn’t have a clue who they were and what they stand for. Then she got called out on it and her feelings got hurt.

  • Anonymous

    I guess only Democrats can have a racist, homophobic past and denounce
    them. It was 40 years ago who gives a shit if Paul wrote them or not.
    People change as they get older

    It wasn’t 40 years ago, this stuff was being written as late as the mid 90s.

  • Anonymous

    Some change, but some stay the same nutty, homophobic, racist people they are.

  • Anonymous

    While Kelly might not have known the extent of Ron Paul’s history in regards to homophobia, racism and being anti-choice, in general I don’t respect people who choose a candidate to vote for, who don’t know about those things.  Especially when it comes to espousing as a reason for liking a candidate, that they are for less government, when uh yeah, they’re actually for some pretty invasive government.  And she chose to be public in her support of this guy on Twitter, while being ignorant of the facts. So yeah, people are going to call her out for that. And nature of the beast, some people on Twitter will be jerks about it. In other news…water still wet. 

    So yeah, Kelly can support and vote for whomever she chooses. And I have the right not to respect her ignorance about her chosen candidate and express that.  Just as I don’t respect any voter who supports/votes for people not knowing about things like their stances on choice and gay rights. At the least, they could be honest and say that they know them, but  they aren’t as important to them as other things. Which is fine. We usually have to rank some issues more than others when deciding whom to vote for. I know I do. But my feeling is that you should at least know about those things in your candidate. Even if you ultimately decide, for example, that a candidate’s views on taxes is more important to you, than matters of civil liberties. Okay. But not to know their views on those respective things? I don’t respect that at all. So yeah Kelly, sorry you got the hate on Twitter, but a.) it’s Twitter, that happens b.) ya kinda deserved it by being ignorant about your preferred candidate.

  • Anonymous

    I’m going to give her a pass as a foot in month situation and that’s her opinion. And because I’m kinda indifferent to her anyways.  But reading her responses to twitters was cringe worthy.  Twitter is the devil! 

  • http://twitter.com/jeffreychrist Jeffrey Christian

    Oh please. If her fans should be outraged at anything it’s her lousy new CD. That’s more infuriating than her political beliefs.

  • halo9125

    Sorry but it IS what she said- and this link came from ABC news:

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/02/michelle-obam-1-2/

    The point is- no matter who Kelly came out in support of- somebody can always dig up something in that candidate’s past- it just seems to be the nature of politics in the 21st century.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I agree, but my point was is that celebs should just stay from the subject altogether because people are easily offended and it doesn’t take much for people to stop supporting you. Yes, it was an innocent tweet, but it also showed her ignorance on the subject. It’s unfortunate.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BHCD4X7GHJ23SMJ2M2RCQUSNUM Pat

    When you vote you vote for the whole package,even if you don’t agree with a portion their ideas.
    But of course she is entitled to vote however she fits.
    I do tend to vote with my purchases as well as at the polls,which as you have said,is my right. 

  • askew3

    Byrd owned up to his mistakes publicly and worked the rest of his life to atone for them. He was a man of courage. Paul refuses to even take ownership of the racist newsletters sent out in his name. He is a pathetic, bigoted coward who hasn’t changed one iota. It has nothing to do with party affiliation. It has to do with Paul’s current bigoted beliefs.

  • askew3

    If you are a liberal, you are against discrimination of minorities period. People who claim to be liberal and still support Paul or either lying to themselves about being liberal or are ignorant.

  • http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

    I think that Kelly is one of those non-controversial idols and this might effect her. Everybody knew she was going to win her year and the only bad thing really was that movie (shudder) with that guy Guarini?

    Just as a survey… 

    Like this post if you think it will have no effect on her sales?

  • http://twitter.com/AwesomeWillis Willis White

    CNN just ran this as a brief story. They said that Clarkson tweeted her love of Paul, but showed doubt that he would get the nomination.  Then they said because of her doubt Paul supporters were sending her hateful tweets prompting her to apologize. 

    Now compare that version of the story to the tweets MJ posted above. Don’t think it was the supporters of Paul that were attacking. This is our modern media at work. Wow. I’m more upset that they’re dragging Kelly’s name deeper into this.

  • Anonymous

    If you do not think Ron Paul protects minorities when he opposes a bill that removes the right  of Americans to have a lawyer and a trial  when suspected of terrorist activities, you need to talk to a Muslim Americans.  They are the ones most likely to be accused and they are the ones most likely to be held without trial.  “Due process” is an essential liberty from which the rest spring.

  • Anonymous

    I think her gay fans will not buy her music anymore. JMO.

  • http://twitter.com/ChoochaPoo Uchechi Iteogu

    I’m very sure Ron Paul supporters attacked her, too. Supporting someone and shooting down his chances of winning isn’t very supportive. It can actually hurt him. What’s the point of supporting Ron Paul if you have no hope in him??? CNN focused on the responses of Ron Paul supporters, and rightfully so, as CNN deals with people and politics ; MJ focused on the responses of Kelly’s fans, and rightfully so, as MJ deals with people and music. No need to bash CNN for that.

  • Anonymous

    Kelly has a right to speak on politics. People have a right to be turned off if her lack of information or political inclinations don’t sit well with them. Which is why a celebrity should think very hard before they talk politics.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think that is true. If you look at Pulse, many of Kelly’s gay fans still support her. I have also read that many of the gay members of her fanboards are doing the same.

  • Anonymous

    Always thought artists and politicians never mesh well; especially in an election year, unless you are a Democrat.  Most people in show biz who speak up are usually liberal, and not quiet about it.   Kelly has a right to her personal choices and opinions.    I find many people don’t always understand the differences in the two parties, which is understandable a lot of the time.   These days not sure our elected officials understand the difference.    

  • ronnie

    What’s disturbing is that she said though she voted for Obama last time, she was a Republican.  So has she been voting Republican in her state and local elections?  Those are the people who are usually the most intolerant anti-gay and anti-minority

  • Anonymous

    Maybe, maybe not.  Ron Paul has also had gay supporters.

  • steph6449

    What’s disturbing is that she said though she voted for Obama last time, she was a Republican.  So has she been voting Republican in her state and local elections?  Those are the people who are usually the most intolerant anti-gay and anti-minority

    I fail to see how being a Republican (*) who votes regularly would be a sign that Kelly or anyone else must be intolerant, anti-gay, anti-minority. Nor would I find it “disturbing” if (omg) someone was a Democrat who liked to vote in their local elections. There are plenty of people who can be “intolerant” in any political camp as far as I’m concerned, but until ZealotsRUs (liberal or conservative flavor) gains a lot of ground, that won’t represent the values of our mainstream political parties.
    * – not a crime in America, roughly half the country is either Republican or Republican-leaning, including one of our houses of Congress presently.

  • Anonymous

    There are five topics sure to set off a firestorm: money, sex, religion, politics and childrearing.  It’s best not to talk about them, IMO, for they surely lead to bad arguments.  At the very least, DO NOT go to Twitter with any opinion on those subjects.

    As the saying goes, It’s best to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.  Many of us learn that the hard way.  Kelly Clarkson included.

  • Anonymous

    “The most perplexing character in Congress, ideologically speaking, is Ron Paul. This is a guy who exists in the Republican Party as a staunch opponent of American empire and big finance. His ideas on the Federal Reserve have taken some hold recently, and he has taken powerful runs at the Presidency on the obscure topic of monetary policy. He doesn’t play by standard political rules, so while old newsletters bearing his name showcase obvious white supremacy, he is also the only prominent politician, let alone Presidential candidate, saying that the drug war has racist origins. You cannot honestly look at this figure without acknowledging both elements, as well as his opposition to war, the Federal government, and the Federal Reserve. And as I’ve drilled into Paul’s ideas, his ideas forced me to acknowledge some deep contradictions in American liberalism (pointed out years ago by Christopher Laesch) and what is a long-standing, disturbing, and unacknowledged affinity liberals have with centralized war financing. So while I have my views of Ron Paul, I believe that the anger he inspires comes not from his positions, but from the tensions that modern American liberals bear within their own worldview.”

    Matt Stoller, Senior Advisor to Alan Grayson, at website nakedcapitalism.com
    first paragraph

  • ronnie

    I don’t know how you can say it would not be a ‘sign’ that someone might be intolerant, almost every single person on the stage of the Republican debates say they will repeal the ban on ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ they are known for their anti-gay rhetoric so I would say it is not definite, it is certainly more of a possibility than any other party.

  • http://twitter.com/DorkAngel Goboywonder

    I too vote with my purchases when I feel that the person’s views/beliefs/practices are so egregiously against what I stand for or who I am. I will no longer willingly listen to, much less buy, anything John Mayer puts out. Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions and I wholeheartedly support everyone’s right to voice and vote their conscience.  But please don’t be shocked and or offended if I don’t agree with you and choose to not support you, financially or otherwise,  based upon what you represent. 
    In the future, I hope Kelly is more informed about who or what she’s advocating for before using such a public platform to broadcast it.

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

    It isn’t a matter of Republican, Democrat…or anything. It’s all a SHAM. Kelly is entitled to support whomever she wishes, and can say so. Just because you sing for a living doesn’t mean you have to keep your mouth shut. However, if anyone thinks Obama, or any other politician is out for our best interests, think again. It’s all a facade to fool people into thinking they actually have a choice.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve got a point.  Those disillusioned with the current administration put too much faith into it in the first place, IMO.  No politician is truly worth our undying admiration.  Few people are.

  • steph6449

    I don’t know how you can say it would not be a ‘sign’ that someone might be intolerant, almost every single person on the stage of the Republican debates say they will repeal the ban on ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ they are known for their anti-gay rhetoric so I would say it is not definite, it is certainly more of a possibility than any other party.

    Although I appreciate the views of those pursuing gay rights issues, and agree with a large part of them — I don’t consider someone just taking a different policy view on specific political questions as evidence that they are personally intolerant, anti-gay, and anti-minority. Especially in cases where the changes that are being sought relate to societal / religious beliefs, practices, and institutions that go back thousand of years across multiple cultures.  Ymmv on the social/political questions.

    In Kelly’s case, the suggestion seemed to be that simply *voting* regularly as a Republican would be a reliable indicator that she’s a bigot.  Where from what I’ve read, she actually espouses quite liberal views on social issues, but (apparently) has more conservative views on economics and governance philosophy. She would be perfectly able to hold that mix of views and vote Republican morning, noon, and night any time she could find a ballot box.  

    It’s quite possible for someone to have an a la carte set of views where they may agree more with one party or another. Even within the political parties, there is hardly unanimity. There are plenty of conservative Democrats, and there are lots of liberal Republicans.  In the Ron Paul case, I might agree with some of his points about limited government, although I think he goes too far with them; in other areas, I think he is pretty much a fruitcake, lol, like national security. 

  • Anonymous

    Oh christ.  And she seemed so sensible.  Well Kelly – you’ve lost a record-buying fan.  I’ve purchased everything you’ve put out, including this latest.

    Won’t be buying again.  I could accept the Ron Paul nonsense – many people don’t look beyond his “small government” spiel to see the ridiculous tax ideas, ludicrous foreign policy ideas, and homophobia, bigotry, racism, and misogyny.  He’s hid those fairly well but anyone with the Google can find them in seconds.

    But to be a Republican?  Sorry, that’s waaaaay across the line for me.  See ya.

  • Anonymous

    That was terrifically funny, so I hope you intended it as humor. ( It gets hard to tell. Call me Slowjessie.)

  • Anonymous

    I don’t consider someone just taking a different policy view on
    specific political questions as evidence that they are personally
    intolerant, anti-gay, and anti-minority. Especially in cases where the
    changes that are being sought relate to societal / religious beliefs,
    practices, and institutions that go back thousand of years across
    multiple cultures.  

    For thousands of years across multiple cultures people would have been against me marrying my white boyfriend on religious and societal beliefs. I’m glad we have progressed to the point where someone being against my potential interracial marriage is viewed as a bigot, not someone taking a different policy view. I hope soon the same can be said for my gay friends and family.

  • Anonymous

    I’m a red diaper grandbaby and as liberal as liberal gets. Yeah, I voted for Obama and I’ll do it again. I strongly believe in keeping abortion safe and legal, civil rights, and gay marriage. I want Christian right out of the legal realm and back in the church where it belongs. That’s me. But I have to say – what’s the big deal here?  Kelly is a pop singer. She’s not running for office. She’s a small town Texas girl. How many people research every single item on every politician’s list?  Not so many in my experience. My guess is that someone sent her a couple of positive attitudes and she was all, yay! Ron Paul! Heh. Kelly came right out and said she supported gay rights, etc. I don’t think she’s a bigot or a racist. I think she’s a small town girl who didn’t go to college, and isn’t scanning the New York Times for facts.  Should she?  Sure. Would I personally be upset if say, my husband decided to vote Republican?  Yeah. But IMO to not buy the music of a total stranger because she’s a Republican is just as bad as someone saying they won’t buy Adam Lambert because he’s gay. 

    Mind you, the super Christian blah blah of Scotty and Lauren and Gokey is way more disturbing to me. There’s no way to be the kind of professing Christian that they are and be pro-gay rights. I’ve known enough Fundamentalist Christians to know that.  Still, would I buy their music? If I liked it, sure. They have the right to their beliefs. Happily I hate all three so it doesn’t come up.  LOL.  

  • Anonymous

    Well weirdly the last time I checked Kelly is not running for political office, at any level. She’s human and entitled to her opinions. She’s also a singer. So for me if I like her music enough I’ll buy it and if not I won’t buy it. If she ever decides to run for office on a platform against women’s right to choose, against marriage equality for all, wants to give big tax breaks to rich people and large corporations and refuses to spend money on American infrastructure while rebuilding foreign countries or happily going to war and does her best to reverse environmental things like clean water and clean air, and refuses to acknowledge global warming or anything science based then yeah I wouldn’t be voting for her.

  • Anonymous

    hahaha… glad I wasnt on twitter when that got posted…  honestly I love Kelly’s music but she seems to not know too much about someone she supports.. not a smart way to publicly endorse or vote..

  • steph6449

    For thousands of years across multiple cultures people would have been against me marrying my white boyfriend on religious and societal beliefs.

    I don’t disagree, although I think that one is more based in societal views than religious authorities held sacred, so it is an easier process to reconcile changes on racial issues than gay issues IMO. Same with women’s rights, going back to an earlier day.  I think reasonable people can respect the concerns and desires of gay individuals on social issues while not necessarily feeling able for religious or other reasons to provide unqualified support to every specific change that is sought.

    Differing on certain questions, doesn’t mean to me someone is a bigot, whether it is the conservative religious person, for discussion’s sake, who may not be able to endorse all liberal social views. Or the socially liberal person, who may disagree with certain religious tenets, or in some cases, deny the value / validity of whole religions altogether and the people who practice them (which IMO is also intolerant).  

    In the case of Kelly, the suggestion was that she must be suspected of bigotry simply because she might be voting for Republicans, more than once, lol. Without her ever actually expressing views of the type deemed objectionable — in fact, she seems to have stated views that are the opposite of those that were being cast as objectionable.

  • Anonymous

    There’s no such thing as :”gay rights.” Rights come from God, and God clearly condemns homosexual behavior and perversions as evil. Protect America’s children from homosexual fascism and political correctness! True love does not delight in evil.

  • Anonymous

    I think everyone who opposes gay marriage and full gay equality is being bigoted on that particular issue.  I don’t automatically think they’re bigots overall or terrible people–my cousins oppose gay marriage, but they don’t think it’s a very important issue, and I still love them. 

    Most or all of the Republican nominees on the other hand? Yep, bigots and/or catering to bigots.  The only possible exception is Huntsman. Santorum, Bachmann, Gingrich? Despicable people. Romney’s despicable too, though I have no idea what he actually believes–but being spineless on these issues is despicable in and of itself. Most people who oppose gay marriage are bigots.  And religious/societal reasons aren’t an excuse for that.  Opposing interracial marriage on religious grounds doesn’t make someone not racist.  

    I like Kelly and she’s obviously not bigoted, but she does sound dumb here. Still a fan, and hopefully this will teach her to know about politics before she talks about politics.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if she’ll pull a Alec Baldwin/Miley Cyrus/etc and quit Twitter

  • Reflections On Life

    “Like this post if you think it will have no effect on her sales?”

    I think it will either have no affect on her sales OR it will Increase her sales (moderately). There’s no such thing as bad publicity LOL. Keeping her name in the news will make sure she stay in circulation with the current pop stars for the new millenials buying music. Otherwise, without the 4-on-the-floor thing going on, she risks being a fading dated pop-rock star (like Daughtry or Cook).  So this probably helps. JMO.

  • steph6449

    If someone’s religion (traditional Catholic, orthodox Jew, conservative Muslim, for example) teaches them based on sacred (i.e., understood within context of their religion to be God-revealed or -inspired) texts and millenia of authoritative religious teaching, to hold values and concepts that create conflicts with enthusiastically backing the goal of gay marriage, I just don’t find that anti-gay bigotry.  Nor do I consider the person who is adamantly pro-gay rights and civilly disagrees with someone who holds conflicting religious views, to be an anti-religious bigot.  

    But if they go to town labeling each other as bigots, then I do start to wonder, and the ability to hold civil discourse on complex questions of human rights, religion, and culture begins to break down fast. 

    Anyway, as far as Kelly goes, I think it is moot as she claims to have socially liberal views. Despite her, by some accounts, nefarious activities in voting for Republicans from time to time ;)

  • Anonymous

    If someone’s religion (traditional Catholic, orthodox Jew, conservative
    Muslim, for example) teaches them based on sacred (i.e., understood
    within context of their religion to be God-revealed or -inspired) texts
    and millenia of authoritative religious teaching, to hold values and
    concepts that create conflicts with enthusiastically backing the goal of
    gay marriage, I just don’t find that anti-gay bigotry.  Nor do I
    consider the person who is adamantly pro-gay rights and civilly
    disagrees with someone who holds conflicting religious views, to be an
    anti-religious bigot. 

    Someone who is pro gay rights is not infringing on anyone who has religious beliefs against gay marriage. A pro gay rights person isn’t making a Mormon or a Muslim enter a gay marriage. A Mormon or a Muslim who insists that because they personally don’t believe in gay marriage that no one is allowed to enter into a gay marriage is infringing on someone’s rights.

  • ronnie

    I think you misinterpreted what I said or I didn’t state it clearly, I did not suggest Kelly was a bigot because she was a Republican, I was stating she has probably supported or put into office or helped keep someone in office who was extremely homophobic considering the Republicans tend to slant that way.  I don’t think she is a bigot, I think instead she doesn’t care enough about it for it to be a major factor in her voting, which isn’t exactly the same thing, some will think it is, some will think it isn’t.

  • Anonymous

    So yeah, that Huffington Post article is closing in on 6000 comments. I really didn’t think that this was going to cause this many waves…

  • Anonymous

    I really can’t wait for Kelly to be on SNL on January 7th, she’ll do a funny skit about this and put it to rest for good. 

  • Anonymous

    If someone is privately anti-gay because of religious beliefs, fine.  They have every right to be, though I would still consider that bigoted, just like I consider people who privately don’t like black people to be racist.  

    But people who vote against gay rights and support politicians who wish to enact anti-gay legislation because of their religious beliefs? That’s bigotry.  Again, not all those people are awful people, but there’s no logical way to say that’s not bigotry.  

    Religious beliefs don’t excuse racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, or homophobic beliefs, and they definitely don’t excuse voting to make those beliefs the law of the land. 

    If gay marriage supporters were trying to vote to outlaw Christianity, then that might be a valid comparison.  In reality, it’s not. 

    People who support gay rights want everyone to have the same rights. People who oppose gay rights want to exclude one group of people from those rights. One of those groups is perpetrating bigotry, and one is not. And all the religious excuses in the world don’t change or justify that. And i say that as a Christian.

  • Anonymous

    Many people grow up in families and vote as their family votes.   That doesn’t always mean they understand the differences of the parties.   If Kelly is registered Republican and voted for Obama, I have to question her reasons for her vote.    Obama was a popular and polarizing candidate and many voted for him not understanding why they did, other than he had momentum.   Many people have no idea why they are voting for a particular candidate.   I come from a generation that voted their party, no matter who was running under their banner.   Still do.   There is a reason many are now becoming Independent voters.   Google the different parties and get a clear meaning of who and what you are voting for.   Nuff said.    

  • Anonymous

    Well said gangreen29.

    I say, go ahead and hold any religious, moral or politcal beliefs you choose. Be my guest. But please don’t impose your beliefs on me, or worse, take it that step further and infringe upon my rights. And isn’t the notion that you can do anything you want, to the extent that it doesn’t negatively impact any other human being, the cornerstone of true Libertarianism? It’s been a while since I’ve read The Fountainhead mind you… LOL

  • steph6449

    Someone who is pro gay rights is not infringing on anyone who has religious beliefs against gay marriage.

    I would differ somewhat on this one, when the case is that of a hardcore pro gay rights person (or any other social cause, same thing happens sometimes in the abortion debates) who castigates anyone who disagrees as a “bigot” who should be ostracized from all polite society. Which unfortunately, seems to happen quite a bit although I understand it given the high degree of social tension on some of these questions. And when the disagreement about a gay issue is tied to a religious view, jumping to a quick characterization that someone’s viewpoint is unacceptable bigotry comes uncomfortably close for me to saying that their religion (upon which their view is based) is unacceptable bigotry and should be suppressed. 

    I just feel it is unfortunate to let differing views on some of these questions get to that level, vs. going for mutual understanding and tolerance on both sides. In most cases, people agree probably on 90-95% of the questions even though there may be a range where religious and social views can in certain respects be in potential conflict.

    A Mormon or a Muslim who insists that because they personally don’t believe in gay marriage that no one is allowed to enter into a gay marriage is infringing on someone’s rights.

    Yes, if they actually take the position that their view has to dictate to society as a whole, vs. just what they are personally willing to vote for or support. But someone who demands that to prove themselves “not a bigot,” traditional Muslims or Mormons must support gay marriage could also be seen as infringing on people’s religious / speech rights.

  • Anonymous

    a lesson learned. Stay away political issues when you’re a celeb.
    Just vote and keep it for yourself.

     

  • Anonymous

    So, according to that interpretation, a person who voted to outlaw interracial marriage because their religious beliefs say that black people are morally inferior…wouldn’t be a bigot? 

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Otherwise, without the 4-on-the-floor thing going on, she risks being a fading dated pop-rock star (like Daughtry or Cook).  So this probably helps. JMO.

    Huh? How are Daughtry and Cook relevant to Kelly’s current, self-created controversy?… Oh yeah, they’re not.  

  • Anonymous

    Steph6449, I get the point that you are trying to make, but I think that you are conflating “belief” with “practice”. They are two entirely different animals. For instance, someone trying to restrict me, as a white woman, from marrying a black man is simply NOT the same thing as me calling the person who would do so a racist and a bigot, it simply isn’t. Only my forcing that same person to marry another individual of a different race would be comparable. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Throw-Away/100002736229626 Throw Away

    What? I don’t have communist hollywood’s approval?!? 
    CONSIDER MY VOTE CHANGED!

  • Anonymous

    There have been some really interesting and good points made. Good discussion!  

  • Anonymous

    It’s got me thinking though. To Hell with sex scandals, that is soooo 2010. Daughtry and Cook need to engage in a public twitter debate on abortion. For the sake of their careers. Heh. 

  • Anonymous

    Exactly, suenigma. Well said. Saying that opposition to gay marriage is bigoted is not even in the same universe as voting to oppose gay marriage.  If gay rights supporters wanted to vote to outlaw straight marriage, then there’d be a valid comparison.  But they don’t, and there isn’t.  

    Also, at some point, you have to call a spade a spade.  I’m sure that in the 60s and even 70s (probably still) there were people saying that believing that black people were inferior, and should be kept legally inferior, wasn’t bigoted.  Nowadays, every reasonable person recognizes that all the religious and specious sociological reasons in the world don’t change that fact that believing that black people are inferior is racist.  

    Believing that gay people shouldn’t have the right to get married is wrong.  

    Voting to keep gay people from getting married is an act of bigotry.  It is, plain and simple. It’s the 21st century, and bigotry is bigotry, and I don’t think there can be any rational argument against the fact that religious beliefs do not justify bigotry. Not everyone who holds these anti-gay beliefs is a terrible person, but their beliefs are bigoted, and that’s just the truth.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000493693258 Teresa Renee Parvin

    Why does no one freak out when celebs endorse the liberals then? Jennifer Hudson and many others have practically worshipped Obama right along with the rest of Hollywood and no one freaks over that?! Am I missing something here? Double standard indeed.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Yes, there are some celebrities that are well-informed, like George Clooney.   Yes, Kelly has a right to her own opinion.  I sent her my first tweet, “Kelly, I am so sad. I hope some folks will provide you more informatio­n about your candidate than you currently possess.”

    Kelly has been on such a high, and this may cost her some fans.  I just feel so disappointed.

  • Anonymous

    “Mind you, the super Christian blah blah of Scotty and Lauren and Gokey
    is way more disturbing to me. There’s no way to be the kind of
    professing Christian that they are and be pro-gay rights. I’ve known
    enough Fundamentalist Christians to know that.”

    I am gay and do not follow any particular religion but I have to say your comments are disturbing to me.  Many people within varies religious beliefs  carry there own beliefs that may differ from the over all doctrine. They may be more tolerant or less tolerant then one might associate with that group.I have never heard anything from the three people you mention to assume they are anti-gay.  I have in fact heard the opposite from Lauren’s mother during the tour when Lauren was being attacked by some nut on twitter for being a Christian fraud for associating with Jacob who he assumed was gay.
    Lauren’s mother responded to him by saying Lauren had been raised not to judge people but to love them.  I do not want assumptions made about me  and try to offer people the same. This applies to Gokey,Scotty Kelly and Lauren I do not assume any of them to be anti-gay because of their religion or what appears to be an uniformed endorsement.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Why does no one freak out when celebs endorse the liberals then? Jennifer Hudson and many others have practically worshipped Obama right along with the rest of Hollywood and no one freaks over that?! Am I missing something here? Double standard indeed.

    I don’t think Obama is a Democrat the way Paul is a Republican.  

  • Anonymous

    This is why, once upon a time, it was forbidden to discuss religion or politics in “polite company.” Because emotions run too hot and people say stupid sh*t. 

    I hope Kelly comes to see the error of her ways, because Paul is as whackadoo as they come, but I still like her.

  • Niall

    Frankly I’d have been more offended if she had come out for Bachmann or Perry. Kelly doesn’t really seem to know much about Paul other than the “less Government” meme but that makes her no different than many Americans. It makes me chuckle but I’ll still buy her albums and never even considered launching an attack on Twitter or FB.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000493693258 Teresa Renee Parvin

    No he’s worse! He’s so far left, he makes Bill Clinton look like a conservative Republican! The point is, there is DEFINITELY a double standard. People can think Obama shits gold and spout off any endorsement they want, but if anyone else dares to disagree with them or publicly support a candidate from the Republican party, then all hell breaks loose! Whomever said that the ones who preach against hate the most seems to be the most hateful people was right. Such hypocrites! 

  • Anonymous

    I for one am not freaked out that Kelly has endorsed a Republican candidate. Rather, I am freaked out by the beliefs and mandate of that particular candidate, and that Kelly appears to be so ignorant of the facts. It’s not a hanging offense, and it will all blow over, IMO, but I do hope she embraces this as a learning opportunity.

  • steph6449

    Steph6449, I get the point that you are trying to make, but I think that you are conflating “belief” with “practice”. They are two entirely different animals. 

    I appreciate that. I just feel in the case of religion, it is very hard to separate matters of belief and practice. I think it helps to allow some space in the universe of “reasonable” discussion for people to hold differing views in some of these areas before we get to labeling who is a bigot and who is righteous, which among other things totally shuts down communication.

    Back to Kelly, she must be fairly bemused to look at the amount of coverage and debate her tweet caused, lol.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry to offend, but you’re misquoting me a little. I didn’t say that any of them are anti-gay or hate gay people. I said that they cannot possibly be pro-gay rights or marriage and be Fundamentalist Christians and worship in the churches that they attend. That’s an entirely different thing. The very structure of their religion declares the act of gay sex to be sin. Danny Gokey actually made noises like that in a video he made during his season tour – something about loving someone in a Christian and manly not gay way.  Now Kelly is a social Liberal and has declared her support despite her [to my mind] misguided belief that Ron Paul is the next Great Thing. Mind you, he’s not getting the Republican nomination so this is just a lot of fuss in a bucket but whatever ;) 

    I don’t like the spread of Fundamentalism of any kind. JMHO. 

  • Anonymous

    Actually, Bill Clinton is far more liberal. Obama is a right down the center moderate.  And I say this as a fervent liberal :)  There are many sources on this, I won’t clutter MJs by linking. Mind you, I don’t think that Obama, uh, s–ts gold I wish he did.  Now THAT would help the economy. Heh. 

  • Anonymous

    That’s one thing that is so interesting to me in this discussion. I think a person can participate in a religion and not believe/subscribe to everything the religion espouses.  Same thing with political party/person. 

    “Just a lot of fuss in a bucket”.  lol..  I like that saying.  :)

  • steph6449

    So, according to that interpretation, a person who voted to outlaw interracial marriage because their religious beliefs say that black people are morally inferior…wouldn’t be a bigot?

    Speaking strictly analytically … my points were made specifically in reference to what sincere people of faith may believe based on serious reliance on *sacred texts* (documenting for adherents of the religion the principles of God, not man) and a continuity of mainstream, sustained religious thought, scholarship, etc. based upon the sacred texts that for the major religions is usually measured in millenia. 

    While different cultures, governments, churches at times have taken a view against interracial marriage, using your example — that is not the unbroken history and theology of any of these religions to my awareness (maybe excepting Islam, not sure there).The Bible is full of examples of people marrying between different sects and religions, depicted in ways that often accept, even endorse those relationships.  It is not full of examples of people marrying within the same gender, much less showing those examples in an accepting / commendatory way. Reasonable people may differ on whether they accept or care about that, or what they make of it, or how they interpret it.  And I’m certainly not saying that no one who is religious can agree in good faith with gay marriage, or abortion, or whatever. 

    But IMO there should be room in the world of reasonable discussion and viewpoints for someone to hold a thoughtful view consistent with traditional, serious, mainstream theology and not have their views and their religion ostracized as bigotry.

  • Anonymous

    OK  I have to say I am not really up on what Danny might have said. I do understand what you are saying it is possible to be open and loving to a gay person as an individual while not believing they should be able to get married. I do not know where they might stand on that, some people are able to take what they need from a reiigion and ignore what they do not agree with. Not me but some people.  This is most likely harder to do with the more rigid groups. As a gay person I appreciated Lauren’s Mom not answering by saying Jacob wasn’t gay but by saying in essence it wouldn’t matter if he was. Anyway this is a great discusion gets us all thinking.  I agree Ron Paul will not get the nomination and that Kelly does/did not understand what he stands for.

  • steph6449

    OK  I have to say I am not really up on what Danny might have said. 

    I have no idea what Danny’s views are on the political issues like gay marriage. Generally speaking, Danny seems to be apolitical, in public anyway. He seems to accept that it is in place in some parts of the country, at minimum. He spoke once last year about meeting a woman at a radio station who was talking to him about her wife (California). Danny did not seem uncomfortable with that. I do think his religious views are probably fairly traditional as far as teachings on sexual matters, but his occasional religious tweets/etc. don’t get into those topics.

    Danny has gay fans and seems to enjoy that, pictures pop up periodically where he’s posed very comfortably with them in pictures. AI staff who I would guess were gay spoke favorably about their interactions with him, and Danny recently has been shown in a gay-themed tv show on the Sundance channel a couple of times, lol. (Girls Who Love Boys Who Love Boys, I think? Recent episodes are set in Nashville, one of the “boys” worked for Danny for a time.)  

    Not sure how this relates to Kelly, except Danny said he hung out some in Nashville with Kelly sometime in the past year or so, and really liked her :)  He found her to be very down to earth, which I remembered and made me laugh when I read something in the Headlines about Kelly appearing on a worst-dressed list for excessive use of sparkles ;)

  • Anonymous

    Wasn’t being funny.  I will not support any Republican with my dollars.  I’m a senior citizen – I will not support a Party or it’s fans when said Party wants to kill my healthcare plan – which I paid for while working for decades – wants to kill my retirement plan, ie Social Security – which I paid for while working for decades – and wants my children to have no collective bargaining rights, child labor laws, and I could continue with a very long list of things if you’d like me to. 

    I also will not support with my dollars anyone who stands with bigotry, racism, homophobia, or misogyny.  Whether due to ignorance or otherwise.  There is no room in this country for tolerance of this behavior.  Money talks, bullshit walks.  I’ll let my money do my talking.  Or the absence of it.

  • http://twitter.com/lufflyness Jenna

    Oh Kelly I love you but celebrities discussing politics = NO. She has every right to her opinion but discussing it in public is just bad news (whether I agree or not).

    With that said, the hypocrisy is disheartening. Talk about bigotry… Telling people they are misinformed because of course being a Democrat means you know and understand everything…

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    See, I am so confused by Kelly’s declaration.  So much of what she says she believes is actually a moderate view.  I just wish Kelly had more knowledge of the political candidates before expressing her opinion.  Hopefully, this is a lesson learned and she will want to become more knowledgeable. 

    I can’t help it, I feel such sadness. 

  • Anonymous

    I must say that I bet that the majority of contestants on Idol lean to the right. I bet even some of people’s own favorite Idols on the show might be Conservative.

    Also the majority of the viewers of Idol tend to be Conservative also. In a latest Gallup poll the majority of Americans are Conservative.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    CB40, I did wonder if SNL will do a skit on this whole mess – not remembering that Kelly IS a guest on the next SNL show!  Kelly has been a guest on the show many times, so I think you are right.  What would be really funny is if Ron Paul was also slated to appear. ;o)

    Naw, that would be too hysterical.

  • shuey

    People like kelly have the right to say whatever she wants to say! anyone that attacks HER FOR what she thinks? is a Dumb F ! People need to respect one anothers views & move on! btw Ron paul is a weak douchebag with no balls :) Im for Newt!

  • Kylee

    I must say that I bet that the majority of contestants on Idol lean to
    the right. I bet even some of people’s own favorite Idols on the show
    might be Conservative.

    You are right. Kellie Pickler is definitely a Republican. Jordin Sparks and Mandisa both have strong conservative views(Jordin on abortion and Mandisa on gay marriage). Evidence points at Chris Daughtry leaning to the right. Lauren’s family is conservative as it was seen on facebook. With Scotty being a southern Baptist, I would guess he was conservative. Carrie is rumored to be conservative, but doesn’t want to state her political views because she loses respect for celebrities who do(I wonder what she thinks of Kelly now?) Carrie does bring up a good point-celebrities maybe should keep it to themselves, although I personally don’t have a problem with Kelly expressing hers.

  • Anonymous

    A 7 point margin of error means the poll is essentially worthless.  Further, Gallop’s sampling of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents does not match the Party registration in the country as far as percentages. 

    This poll is flawed to the point where it is very surprising to me that Gallop bothered to publish it. 

  • Kylee

    Its not a crime to vote Republican and most Republicans are very respectful. There are idiots in every party and I can name the faults of both parties, but I won’t.

  • Anonymous

    I am more interested in the singer as a person and an artist more than their political leanings or religious background.

    The majority of Idols come from strong religious backgrounds and states where people tend to be more Conservative…and anyone watching Idol by now would realize that. The majority of Idols have come from the Bible Belt.

    Even some of the contestants on X-Factor turned out be like contestants on Idol in their personal lives. I don’t judge someone if they were raised religiously Mormon, Baptist or Muslim, or if they are Liberal or Conservative. To do so what be intolerant and ignorant and especially watching Idol or any singing competition on TV because the majority of singers on Idol tend to come from religious backgrounds or Red States.

  • Kylee

    I think religious and political backgrounds can have a lot of influence on who they are as a person and even what kind of music they make. I don’t think Mandisa would be making Christian music if she was a Muslim. I think being open about your beliefs tells us who you are as a person and who you can be as a musician.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Funny. I mentioned earlier that Carole King has been on Morning Joe on MSNBC expressing her views on environmental policies and just now they announced that she’ll be on the show after the current commercial. But, I think she’s performing … not eloquently expressing her views.

  • http://twitter.com/Justin_J9 Justin

    Yes, if they actually take the position that their view has to dictate to society as a whole, vs. just what they are personally willing to vote for or support.

     
    Everyone can believe whatever they want. The minute they USE those personal RELIGIOUS beliefs as an excuse to oppress any group of people and deny them equal CIVIL rights, it’s bigotry. It’s simple as that.

    Gay marriage is not a religious issue, it’s a civil one. That makes any religious views on it completely irrelevant and something that shouldn’t even be brought up in a serious discussion in the first place.

  • Anonymous

    ” I’m a senior citizen – I will not support a Party or it’s fans when said Party wants to kill my healthcare plan – which I paid for while working for decades – wants to kill my retirement plan, ie Social Security – which I paid for while working for decades”

    The problem is, jessie, the US Government (i.e. us – you and me) have made lots and lots of promises they can’t keep. We have all collectively stuck our head in a hole and ignored the fact that our government (i.e. us – you and me) have been living on credit cards.

    Yes, you worked for years. Lots of people did – including me. But that money you think you put into a safe for your healthcare and social security? That safe has been raided for years and years. Years. By the US Government (shall I say it again? us).

    We’re coming to the end of that road. You may deride the people who are starting to stand up and say it but the facts remain the same. Certainly, we can continue to support politicians who proclaim that they will never touch our retirement, but they are lying. To themselves maybe, but certainly to us.

    Me? I prefer to support people who look me right in the eye and tell me the truth. And the truth is the US Government (us – you and me) are broke. And things are going to change. One way or another.

  • Anonymous

    Reminder:

    Please stick to the topic: Which is Kelly Clarkson’s endorsement of Ron Paul. I won’t let this thread devolve into a left/right political argument.

  • pj

    Wow.  Kelly endorsed a man who isn’t enough of a leader to understand
    that he published vile stuff in his name?  Well, he either believed it
    or was stupid enough to put his name on it.  I don’t care which it was.
    It shows I don’t want him as a president.

    That being said, she’s entitled to say what she wants, whenever she wants.

    Also, I disagree that most idol alums are conservative. I remember in S5 they all met the president (GW) and Ace said only one of them voted for him over Gore. Who that was? Got no clue and don’t care. I think the speculation at the time was Kellie or Kat.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Oh my. I totally want to give Kelly a hug now. Poor thing.

    For what it’s worth, she said she voted Democrat last election and she is expressing views that seem more libertarian in nature. I don’t know if people should be getting hung up on which party she’s registered with, she pretty much sounds like a moderate whatever, or at least an Independent in spirit. Also, a lot of people don’t really pay attention to political stuff until the voting is about to start, so I can believe she hadn’t been paying close attention to any election controversy. The girl has been kind of busy lately :)

    Well, at least she knows not to take that kind of thing to twitter anymore.

  • Anonymous

    Kariann: Kelly will definitely be able to address this on SNL, it’s perfect timing!

  • http://twitter.com/lufflyness Jenna

    It definitely is not as clear cut as you make it out to be.

  • steph6449

    Gay marriage is not a religious issue, it’s a civil one. That makes any religious views on it completely irrelevant and something that shouldn’t even be brought up in a serious discussion in the first place.

     We will have to differ on the allowable topics for “serious discussion,” or the idea that shutting down communication is a helpful measure. 

    I appreciate the views of those who put this idea forward. But I don’t personally believe it is that simple, nor do many people find it to be. Marriage as an institution — while existing in many times/places historically in the civil environment also, yes — has historically been tied very closely to a religious context. It is considered a sacrament in major religions/churches, celebrated routinely by priests, pastors, rabbis, etc. A marriage license just isn’t viewed the same way as other, non-controversial functions like driver’s licenses or applying for health benefits.

    Maybe the arguments would be easier if the question was framed as support for “gay civil marriage” vs. “marriage.” But I don’t think that is desired result for the gay rights view, otherwise this debate would largely be answered in the area of domestic partnerships for which there is much broader support and no entanglement (by and large) with the religious beliefs. At this stage the idea of domestic partnerships seems to have been passed by, very passionately so as evidenced in this discussion, with the desire instead to gain full and unconditional acceptance and endorsement of gay marriage on a co-equal basis socially and politically with non-same sex marriage. In that area, many people, most of whom in my opinion are not flaming bigots who should be chased out of the public discourse, may have religious or even cultural views that conflict in varying degrees. Expecting all persons who hold deeply held religious views to keep them to themselves as “completely irrelevant” because only one viewpoint can be allowed on this question would make me very uncomfortable as a disparagement of religion, which is one of the most fundamental, and longest-held, civil rights that we have. 

  • Anonymous

    Reminder:

    I am deleting off topic posts