Idol Headlines for 12/17/09

I won’t be watching NYE w/ Ryan Seacrest as it’s on ABC. Also Daughtry to me is not worthing watching it. Seriously is that the best act they could come up with?

I’m hoping Adam’s Gridlock NYE is televised via pay per view. I’d definitely sit at home to watch it!!

Danny is supposed to be filming his music video for “My Best Days” today and tomorrow.

Also he’s listed now on Billboard Hot Country Songs chart at #55 for his debut for “My Best Days”:

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=Hot+Country+Songs

The New York Post is such a rag. Always jumping to the most sensationalist conclusion. If Simon Cowell left Idol, then they can get someone else in to be a judge. Even someone British, if that’s so important.

On another note, David Cook joined Kevin Griffin and Better Than Ezra on stage last night in Kansas City. Cook and Griffin — who co-wrote “Avalanche” from DC’s album — performed “Absolutely Still,” harmonizing quite nicely.

Roll the videotape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p3BeHWTZps

I know people are going to disagree with me, but I really think Idol could survive Simon leaving. He is not the only dynamic personality out there, and I think many are tiring of him. What was shocking and surprising the first few seasons has become boring and predictable. The idea of finding fresh new musical talent is not stale, just the personalities on the show.

I won’t be watching NYE w/ Ryan Seacrest as it’s on ABC. Also Daughtry to me is not worthing watching it. Seriously is that the best act they could come up with?

Why are you not watching ABC? Anyway, say what you will about Daughtry. That band has sold a lot of records.

As for Idol, I agree that it can survive Simon’s departure. I think it is a vastly better show than X Factor.

Sassycatz

“The New York Post is such a rag. Always jumping to the most sensationalist conclusion. If Simon Cowell left Idol, then they can get someone else in to be a judge.”

Awww, but the Machiavellian in me says: IF Cowell is leaving, then 19E should totally play it like OMG IS THIS THE LAST IDOL?!?!?!

ONLY at the very very very last moment of S9 announcing that secretly, HE’S STAYING or Idol has been saaaaaved by a new judge and it is one of these:

* Tiger Woods
* Balloon Kid
* Jane Lynch of Glee
* John McCain

Young ‘Idol’  contestants make big dreams come true

Since American Idol, Archuleta signed with Jive records. His first single ‘Crush’  sold more than 1.83 million copies in America and blew up radio stations across the nation. He also placed second on Forbes list of ‘Breakout Stars of 2008.’  In addition he won Rising Male Star at the ALMA Awards where he performed a cover of Christina Aguilera’s Spanish song, ‘Contigo en la Distancia.’ 

There’s more, including stuff about Allison… La Voz Nueva

Yay for NickelDaughtry fans for his NYE gig.

Okay I admit, in this case it is just bitterness. On the other hand, Daughtry do sound like Nickleback-lite, but hey! Nickleback is very successful commercially and so is Daughtry, so there you go.

My editor from the NY Post, Mike Shain and I had a lively conversation via email about his paper’s Idol story.

He wrote the analysis at the end, and it’s not hyperbole for hits. He believes it.

Of course, I disagree with him. .

* Tiger Woods
* Balloon Kid
* Jane Lynch of Glee
* John McCain

Bite your tongue! Jane Lynch is much too good for AI.

Two things:
- Probably is the last season for Idol if Cowell leaves. You know things are going downhill when they get a talkshow host to be a judge.
-So glad to hear some Danny news finally on this blog. Danny is working hard and putting out some really good stuff. Kind of tired of only hearing about Adam, or so it seems. LOL

Sassycatz — thanks for posting the vid, David Cook and Kevin Griffin sound great together…hoping to see another video of this but closer.

That is a gorgeous performance of Better Than Ezra’s “Absolutely Still” by Kevin Griffin and David Cook. Kevin co-wrote “Avalanche”. Big fan. The harmonies are gorgeous. Love DC’s falsetto.

So glad to hear some Danny news finally on this blog. Danny is working hard and putting out some really good stuff

He really is working hard. A lot of good things are starting to happen for him.

Can’t stop listening to the KG/DC duet. Oh, my. Lovely.

Idol without Simon? One can only hope.

Awww, but the Machiavellian in me says: IF Cowell is leaving, then 19E should totally play it like OMG IS THIS THE LAST IDOL?!?!?!

ONLY at the very very very last moment of S9 announcing that secretly, HE’S STAYING or Idol has been saaaaaved by a new judge and it is one of these:

* Tiger Woods
* Balloon Kid
* Jane Lynch of Glee
* John McCain

Very, very smart. Everyone will want to tune in to see the last Idol! Ha! As for new judges, doesn’t the U.S. have their own share of nasty record executives, or are they all just too slimey and smooth rather than outright rude?

He’s not a record executive but what about someone like Gene Simmons — who definitely has opinions and is not afraid to voice them — or maybe Simon Fuller could step from behind the curtain? Or, what about Nigel? SYTYCD doesn’t air at the same time of the year as Idol. However, his music knowledge is probably worse than Simon’s.

Of course, I disagree with him. .

So, what is your dissertation? We keep hearing one side of this “story,” but not many articles or opinion pieces on the opposite side. Maybe you should write it.

Can’t stop listening to the KG/DC duet. Oh, my. Lovely.

Ha, I’m having the same problem! So pretty . Mr. Cook gives us lots of Cookie crumbs while he’s “taking a break,” doesn’t he?

Claude Kelly tweeted a pic of him and Fantasia working together! They both look great! I’m not getting excited about the collab until I hear what they came up with though.

http://twitter.com/ClaudeKelly/status/6756264420

http://twitpic.com/tug19 – Me & Fantasia in the studio today. Good time were had. BY ALL. #realsingers

Edit: Earlier tweet:

http://twitter.com/ClaudeKelly/status/6753812803

its a full house. Fantasia, @BengineerChang, Make Moves Management, Mr. Naftaly, Wardell…& VH1. #holdmymule

Considering Daughtry has sold well over 5 million albums and have several hit songs under their belt I think they’re a very good act to be on the NYE show. Like them or not they’ve obviously done something right. Not only am I watching I’m going down there!

Those harmonies on ‘Absolutely Still’ are warming my insides this morning. Cavallo was right about that voice and Dave’s ability to harmonize (with his own lead vocals or anyone else’s) completely off the cuff. I’m also very, very glad that David’s idea of vacation involves lots of singing in public.

Claude Kelly tweeted a pic of him and Fantasia working together! They both look great!
http://twitter.com/ClaudeKelly/status/6756264420

This? Is going to be awesome. Love Claude. Love Fantasia. #realsingers FTW!

I know people are going to disagree with me, but I really think Idol could survive Simon leaving. He is not the only dynamic personality out there, and I think many are tiring of him. What was shocking and surprising the first few seasons has become boring and predictable. The idea of finding fresh new musical talent is not stale, just the personalities on the show.

Oh I totally agree with you actually. I’ve been tired of Simon for the past couple of seasons already. His taste in music has been stuck in the 90′s (power ballads) that I don’t even listen to him much anymore. So him leaving IS good news to me.

Didn’t they just sign Ellen for 5 years? Anyway, I think Fox is just spinning this “last Idol season” story to get more people to tune in to Season 9.

I like Daughtry, but I would much rather see Adam Lambert. Sorry, especially since they added Jennifer Lopez to that show , who’s last two performances have been lip-synced. ABC should get over themselves and simply let Adam sing. But now, unfortunately is too late.

Kris has got himself a Top 40 hit on the Billboard Charts! Up 8 spots from last week…

Top 100
#36 (LW – #44)
Pop Songs
#30 (LW – #33)
Christian Songs
#47 (LW – #47)
Radio Songs
#61 (LW- #69)
Digital Songs
#28 (LW – #38)
Adult Pop Songs
#16 (LW – #17)

I think Idol can be fine without Simon, as long as they address the other issues with the show. If they don’t, and this year is all about the judges again, rather than the kids, I think there will continue to be issues with ratings. Though I think that Ellen coming will boost ratings initially, if only out of curiosity sake, but if the show continues to do the same things with less music by the kids, too many gimmicks and bad pacing *waves at Kirsten’s fave, the Emmy winning Bruce* I can see the show continuing to have ratings issues.

That’s not Simon dependent, but Simon leaving on top of those other things? might not help. Depends on who they get if they do replace him. And even if they get someone even eh, it could still limp along for years. I mean this is the number one show now even with it’s declining ratings, but even if starts to sink in the ratings, it can still be more more profitable, than a lot of other shows that would be in the top 10 and it’s doubtful that AI’s rating drop would be preciptious. So it could linger in the top 10 and still be considered to be doing very well, for years.

I don’t intend to watch the show, other than maybe after all the auditions, a bit with Ellen to see what I think of her, and that’s about it. I hope Ellen isn’t like how she was on SYTYCD, that was painful. Really, not good.

But we’ll see.

For me, I think that there’s a lot of stupid crap that goes on in my head and Twitter’s a good way to get that out. — Kris Allen

I think this is the funniest observation of the week by an Idol, and shows what a great sense of humor Kris has, and that he doesn’t take himself too seriously. I mean, we already knew that. But just sayin’

Yeah so happy for Kris and so happy for the LLWD the song that wasn’t suppose to be able to be the type of song that certain people said couldn’t be radio friendly. I listen to it so much on my i-pod it’s not even funny.

I like Daughtry, but I would much rather see Adam Lambert. Sorry, especially since they added Jennifer Lopez to that show , who’s last two performances have been lip-synced. ABC should get over themselves and simply let Adam sing. But now, unfortunately is too late.

I think everyone is entitled to their own tastes in music – while many of us ont his board aren’t fans of Daughtry’s music I think this is great for ABC because he obviously has a ridiculous number of fans based on his sales to date.

If you want to watch Adam on the show if it is televised, pay-per-view or whatever, kudos to you. Personally, I’ll be watching Kris and Allison on Fox (despite my trepidation since Fox was so bad last year, hopefully Billboard running things will help that).

Top 100
#36 (LW ‘“ #44)

Woo! That makes Kris a 4-hit wonder

(one hit wonder is somebody who only had one song in the top 40 on BB Hot 100).

Here are the current peaks for his songs that hit the top 40 on the BB100:
11. Kris Allen, No Boundaries
16. Kris Allen, Heartless
36. Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying
37. Kris Allen, Ain’t No Sunshine

Other songs in the Hot 100:
66. Kris Allen, Apologize
94. Kris Allen, Falling Slowly

http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/12/17/sytycd-adam-lambert-performance/

cute from EW

Woo! That makes Kris a 4-hit wonder

(one hit wonder is somebody who only had one song in the top 40 on BB Hot 100).

Here are the current peaks for his songs that hit the top 40 on the BB100:
11. Kris Allen, No Boundaries
16. Kris Allen, Heartless
36. Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying
37. Kris Allen, Ain’t No Sunshine

Other songs in the Hot 100:
66. Kris Allen, Apologize
94. Kris Allen, Falling Slowly

Snarky, snarky this morning – I love it. Can’t wait until there is more off of his album(s) to hit. And I don’t think I had realized how high NoBo had gotten so thanks for that info Kirsten.

I like Daughtry, but I would much rather see Adam Lambert. Sorry, especially since they added Jennifer Lopez to that show , who’s last two performances have been lip-synced. ABC should get over themselves and simply let Adam sing. But now, unfortunately is too late.

Well, Daughtry DOES have many hit songs and Adam hasn’t had any yet. Obviously there are many Daughtry fans out there. I’m sure they did take that into account when they book the guests.

“If you want to watch Adam on the show if it is televised, pay-per-view or whatever, kudos to you. Personally, I’ll be watching Kris and Allison on Fox (despite my trepidation since Fox was so bad last year, hopefully Billboard running things will help that).”

Considering it’s on Fox, I am sure it’s going to be a top-notch show.

Considering it’s on Fox, I am sure it’s going to be a top-notch show.

We can but hope – last year Fox was awful.

Well, Daughtry DOES have many hit songs and Adam hasn’t had any yet. Obviously there are many Daughtry fans out there. I’m sure they did take that into account when they book the guests.

Like I said, DaughNickelTry is very successful, so yeah, his being on the show is great for his fans! Of which he obviously has many.

Personally and all Adam issues aside, his music bores me both from his albums and live. Heck, I’d rather be watching JLo lip synch about martinins and dancing than watch DaughNickelTry, but that’s me.

So I’ll just be doing what I normally do on NYE, ignore the whole damn thing, pull the covers over my head and go to bed uncharacterestically early. Bah hambug to NYE, I say.

Can’t wait until there is more off of his album(s) to hit.

Neither can I. I hope that Jive chooses the singles well (and supports them).

And I don’t think I had realized how high NoBo had gotten so thanks for that info Kirsten.

NoBo moved 134,458 units that week (number 4 on the download chart). It was number one for a while.

On another note, David Cook joined Kevin Griffin and Better Than Ezra on stage last night in Kansas City. Cook and Griffin ‘” who co-wrote ‘Avalanche’  from DC’s album ‘” performed ‘Absolutely Still,’  harmonizing quite nicely.

Roll the videotape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p3BeHWTZps

Those harmonies are amazing. I flove it.

I think Idol will end with Simon, and I think it will be turned into the X-factor. Since the British version takes place in the Fall/Winter, the only time the U.S Version can be held is Spring/Summer. How much you want to bet Paula will be a judge on the show. I predicting a panel if Simon, Paula, Sharon Osborne and Louie (from the current British X-factor). I’m excited about the idea of seeing groups made by the judges.

anavich
“Considering it’s on Fox, I am sure it’s going to be a top-notch show.

We can but hope ‘“ last year Fox was awful.”

I can assure you I was being sarcastic, and would have to very desperate for entertainment to watch Fox New Year Eve’s trainwreck of a show.

??? I thought Simon already signed his contract before the Paula issue came up.

bridgette12

, only reason I plan on watching the Fox show is for Kris and Allison, that’s even assuming I’m home which is likely to be a no – then again my friends party usually flips between all the shows so still might get to see these 2 perform.

has the VHI top 20 music video countdown stopped with the voting?

i found this in their website.

http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/

lady gaga #1
kris allen #13
adam lambert #16

I have a soft spot for 4-hit wonders, myself. Still laughing over the sweaters, OMG. I haven’t stopped smiling since last night.

Hey, I’ll watch Daughtry on NY Eve, unless he conflicts with Kris. I love the Kris/Chris bonus track.

I’m anxious to know what the next single is off Kris’ album is, too, but we may have to wait a while, judging by how well LLWD keeps chugging along.

After watching most of SYTYCD this season and the amazing jobs the judges do, I’m convinced Idol can survive without Simon. He has spent the last two seasons being obviously bored, and it must irk him to no end that the audience didn’t succumb to voting his favorites as the winner the past 3 seasons (Melinda, Archie, Adam/Danny). I would welcome a new judge, myself. I LOVE the SYTYCD judges – they are professional and constructive yet still fun and entertaining.

Still laughing…

lady gaga #1
kris allen #13
adam lambert #16

Kelly Clarkson #8
Daughtry #9
Carrie Underwood #11

I can assure you I was being sarcastic, and would have to be very desperate for entertainment to watch Fox New Year Eve’s trainwreck of a show.

Yup. The FOX show sucks. Even if I didn’t have other plans, I wouldn’t watch it.

Since FOX is turning into an Idol show with people promoting their albums that are still tied to AI, guess I won’t be watching and just go to bed early for a change.

Amazing, the duet with KG/DC ! Corbell was right, he can harmonize with anyone and love the falsetto. DC is so talented and so underrated

??? I thought Simon already signed his contract before the Paula issue came up.

No, Ryan re-signed this year, but Simon’s comes up 2010.

Nice to see headlines like this for Adam again. It reminds me of the tour!

MTV News: Adam Lambert Steals The Show On “So You Think You Can Dance’s Finale. http://bit.ly/8MgBto

Woo! That makes Kris a 4-hit wonder

(one hit wonder is somebody who only had one song in the top 40 on BB Hot 100).

LOL. Snarky.

it must irk him to no end that the audience didn’t succumb to voting his favorites as the winner the past 3 seasons (Melinda, Archie, Adam/Danny).

Melinda & Adam … yes. I love Archie too, however, Cook was clearly Simon’s favorite by the middle of S7.

Let’s face it — all the NYE shows are awful. Ryan/Dick Clark post-stroke/Kellie Pickler was terrible, although Las Vegas and Some Knievel was worse. The only one who’s any good is Conan, and he won’t be on at midnight this year.

I’ll probably tape the Fox show so I can FF to Kris and Allison, but not stick around to watch it live. We like to see a sappy movie on NYE, eat Chinese takeout, and then celebrate the actual midnight at home. After which my husband goes to bed and I stay up and watch 3 or 4 Fred Astaire movies. It’s an old tradition. “Titanic” was a terrible choice for our NYE movie, but “Enchanted April” and “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind” were perfect. Maybe “Up in the Air” is the right choice.

So, anyway, whoever’s NYE show is worse than whose doesn’t bug me too much, since they’re all awful. If there’s anything on my TV on NYE, it’s gonna be “Top Hat” and “Shall We Dance.”

Since FOX is turning into an Idol show with people promoting their albums that are still tied to AI, guess I won’t be watching and just go to bed early for a change.

Sean Kingston and Orianthi weren’t on American Idol.

I do wish the Fox show was packed with some more established artists. I know that it’s a Billboard show, and that they will be showing the top performances of the year, but they need a beefier lineup.

Kirsten
12/17/2009 at 11:11 am
Top 100
#36 (LW ‘“ #44)

Woo! That makes Kris a 4-hit wonder

(one hit wonder is somebody who only had one song in the top 40 on BB Hot 100).

Here are the current peaks for his songs that hit the top 40 on the BB100:
11. Kris Allen, No Boundaries
16. Kris Allen, Heartless
36. Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying
37. Kris Allen, Ain’t No Sunshine

Other songs in the Hot 100:
66. Kris Allen, Apologize
94. Kris Allen, Falling Slowly

I had no idea! Thanks for the info!!!

Simon, Paula, Sharon Osborne and Louie (from the current British X-factor).

Three Brits and a woman who has to have all her thoughts written down for her at the risk of incoherency mentoring American singers — some of which are country and heartland rock? No thanks.

The judges should have at least some relevance to the American music scene. The Idol judges barely do, but Kara and Randy are still “working” in the industry writing and producing.

The upside of this would be that we would never again have to hear songs like “Unchained Melody” on Idol. Oh … and what is Simon going to do when he can’t steal, I mean … “be inspired by,” the choices AI contestants make and use them for his own show?

Melinda & Adam ‘ ¦ yes. I love Archie too, however, Cook was clearly Simon’s favorite by the middle of S7.

That’s true. Simon committed himself to Cook possibly by the time Billie Jean was performed. He went out of his way to make it clear he wanted to be the judge that picked Cook’s song at top three, so he definitely was Team Cook, until that Judas like turnaround during the finale performances which I saw as pure peak and more about two men “butting heads,” i.e., Cowell and Cook each trying to control Cook’s pathway to the crown.

So Adam’s performing at the Reel Gay Tv holiday show tonight and we can watch it online. I went to their website to see what time it starts and as far as I can tell there is no time listed.

I vote for Simon leaving and them picking up Ben Folds from “The Sing-Off”. If it wasn’t for him, I would have turned that show off the first night!!

Amazing, the duet with KG/DC ! Corbell was right, he can harmonize with anyone and love the falsetto.

Who’s Corbell? Btw, FLOVED the duet. Acoustic DC is so hard to come by these days. I kinda wish he’d write with KG again. As much as I’m meh about the production on the CD, Avalanche is a good song.

I’ll probably tape the Fox show so I can FF to Kris and Allison, but not stick around to watch it live.

But that’s what YouTubes are for. Why tape, when others do it for you?

Oh and good for Kris and LLWD being, offically, a Top 40 hit. w00t!

SarahP

I think VH1 is doing the 2009 year in the review type things for the rest of December. The voting for the Top 20 countdown should start up again in Jan.

Simon’s attitude Top 2 night season 7 will always be a huge WTF but he was clearly thrilled when David won, and the next day on Ryans show he was practically giddy.

I vote for Simon leaving and them picking up Ben Folds from ‘The Sing-Off’ . If it wasn’t for him, I would have turned that show off the first night!!

Can we start a petition to make this happen?

That’s true. Simon committed himself to Cook possibly by the time Billie Jean was performed. He went out of his way to make it clear he wanted to be the judge that picked Cook’s song at top three, so he definitely was Team Cook, until that Judas like turnaround during the finale performances which I saw as pure peak and more about two men ‘butting heads,’  i.e., Cowell and Cook each trying to control Cook’s pathway to the crown.

Well I agree that Cowell was Team Cook by mid-season. But I thought that thing on the finale show was reverse physchology, and that he was still Team Cook.

Oh and I misspell all the time while typing inbetween working, and my grammar is atrocioius, but do you mean pique?

I vote for Simon leaving and them picking up Ben Folds from ‘The Sing-Off’ . If it wasn’t for him, I would have turned that show off the first night!!

Ben Folds is awesome – he actually knows what he’s talking about in the current music scene as opposed to Simon Cowell who still lives in the 90s.

Oh and I misspell all the time while typing inbetween working, and my grammar is atrocioius, but do you mean pique?

Yes, I do. It’s one of those words I don’t write often enough and so I just rely on phonetics because I’m too lazy to pull out the Webster’s. I’m just happy I didn’t use “peek.”

Danny will be performing at the Grand Ole Opry on January 8:

http://www.opry.com/TicketsAndInformation/Calendar.aspx

I vote for Simon leaving and them picking up Ben Folds from ‘The Sing-Off’ . If it wasn’t for him, I would have turned that show off the first night!!

I vote for Kara “packaged artist” DioGuardi leaving. I do love me some Ben Folds!

I see people have mentioned Ben Folds. From what I’ve been reading, the viewers seem to feel his critiques are spot-on. I’m of the belief that even Simon Cowell is expendable. He has always been hit or miss with his opinons and spotting talent. So far, his hits have far outshined the misses — Susan Boyle, but nothing lasts forever.

Let’s liven things up on the judges panel. I vote for:

Kanye
Eminem
Madonna

Imagine Eminem confronted with a Sanyaya.

Adam is one of Entertainment Weekly’s top 15 entertainers of the year. That explains the pretteh new photoshoot.

Let’s liven things up on the judges panel. I vote for:

Kanye
Eminem
Madonna

Imagine Eminem confronted with a Sanyaya.

Well thats an interesting thought! Lets also add someone who has nothing to do with music… how about Nancy Pelosi? Nah, she gets on my nerves. I know A-Rod!

“Imagine Eminem confronted with a Sanyaya”

Are there any Sanjaya fans here? (lol). I caught a piece on our local news in Seattle earlier this week that he’s appearing in a Black Nativity play in town this holiday season.

Well thats an interesting thought! Lets also add someone who has nothing to do with music’ ¦ how about Nancy Pelosi? Nah, she gets on my nerves. I know A-Rod!

This quota has been filled (see DeGeneres, Ellen).

Let’s liven things up on the judges panel. I vote for:

Kanye
Eminem
Madonna

Imagine Kanye’s critique – “Imma let you finish but …” all while the contestant is still trying to sing the song.

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Hey guys, in case anyone is interested, it looks like Adam really did get a good bump from last night. From itunes…
#59 FYE album
#56 WDYWFM
#70 FYE single

Also, David will be featured on UNIVISION tonight on their Christmas special, ‘Nuestra Navidad.’  The show starts at 10 p.m. ET US.

I agree getting rid of Kara and getting Ben Folds would be a total win-win. And yes, Simon could be lost and it won’t kill the program…if the right person is chosen for him and the other show issues are addressed. And even then, the show could lose even more in the ratings for years and still even be pretty successful as a show, and therefore limp on for years.

Adam is one of Entertainment Weekly’s top 15 entertainers of the year. That explains the pretteh new photoshoot.

Wow! Adam is really racking up a number of 2009 Year-in-review accolades.

Idol would not survive Simon leaving. Maybe they could hang on for a year or two, but ratings would plummet.

Imagine Kanye’s critique ‘“ ‘Imma let you finish but ‘ ¦’  all while the contestant is still trying to sing the song.

lol! Bless his heart, Kanye will never not be funny now.

Y’all are making me want to watch Ben Folds on that new show.

Well thats an interesting thought! Lets also add someone who has nothing to do with music’ ¦ how about Nancy Pelosi? Nah, she gets on my nerves.

No way. I vote for former Attorney General John Ashcroft. He knows a lot more about music than Nancy *and* he’s a performer. So, he would fill that demographic, just like Paula did. Just feast your ears on this beautiful sound, patriots!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFmMGYv3mag

(Of course, if Ashcroft had been there during Season 7, Cook still would’ve won…. Kristy Lee Cook, that is.)

Hey guys, in case anyone is interested, it looks like Adam really did get a good bump from last night. From itunes’ ¦
#59 FYE album
#56 WDYWFM
#70 FYE single

Is that the ranking within iTunes or the live feed? I just checked the live feed literally 30 seconds ago and found:

#63/#98 FYE album
#70 WDYWFM
#87 FYE single

LLWD #28, KA Album #133

beautiful sound, patriots!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFmMGYv3mag

Sassycatz! I’m dying!! I can just see him telling contestants: “You need to work on your warble.”

Hey guys, in case anyone is interested, it looks like Adam really did get a good bump from last night. From itunes’ ¦
#59 FYE album
#56 WDYWFM
#70 FYE single

Ooh really? How are you seeing that? The feed I have pulled up has shown WWFM stuck at #70 for a while.

WWFM is now #50 on Itunes live feed chart
FYE single is #79

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=9930210/limit=0000/rss.xml

Deluxe Album is #63
Standard Album is #98

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topalbums/sf=4433324771/limit=300/rss.xml

They are all still climbing

Video still #1

http://ax.itunes.apple.com/rss

WWFM is #50 now.

Who’s Corbell?

Heh. I’m pretty sure ohnonotagain means Rob Cavallo, the producer on DCTR, who said in an AP article from November ’08:

Cavallo compares Cook to big-voiced former Journey frontman Steve Perry, who dropped by the studio while Cook was recording. “He really is an unbelievably gifted singer,” Cavallo says of Cook. “There’s no song on the record that he didn’t sing in two or three takes. … He can sing harmony to any of his songs automatically without even thinking about it.”

After hearing Dave harmonize with everyone from Andrew (on the SSB) and Ryan Star (on ‘Breathe’) to this lovely treat with Kevin Griffith, I have to agree with Rob. There are also some very cool YouTubes floating around somewhere where someone stripped everything but Cook’s own backing vocals off the tracks from DCTR. They are really unbelievably beautiful, and made me appreciate the vocal work he did on that album even more.

Deluxe album is showing here as #77 and the standard isn’t there.

Is there an official itunes chart? Everyone is getting numbers from different sources (either way, all seem positive), but I just didn’t know if there is actually a correct one?

Are some people using Pop charts and some using overall? Maybe that’s the discrepancy?

Anyhew, I think WWFM was like 133 before SYTYCD last night, so whatever it gets above that? good job!

It seems that for Adam and Kris now, that SYTYCD has done more for sales boosting, than late night appearances for them both.

Well, regardless of whether WWFM is 50 or 70 or somewhere in between, that is still a huge bump up from yesterday (and for the FYE album too)…while it is certainly attributable in large part to yesterday’s prime time tv performance, it is probably also moving up due to the increased radio airplay…someone on another thread reported that WWFM was the No. 1 most requested song on z-100 today and Seacrest said that he jumped over Gaga, his idol….too bad that it did not come out a few weeks earlier, but looks like after the new year WWFM will be a solid hit

WWFM is apparently at #50…

The only charts I have links to are the overall ones, not pop.

This one shows FYE Deluxe at #64 HERE and WWFM at #51 HERE.

I see WWFM at #70 and FYE at #87. FYETA is at #65. Just checked a second ago.

I see WWFM at #50 and FYE at #79

http://musicchartfeeds.com/itunes-chart/

I see WWFM at #70 and FYE at #87. FYETA is at #65. Just checked a second ago.

Is that from the live feed or the regular site? How often to they update the regular site? The live feed is supposed to be updating continually.

I see WWFM at #70 and FYE at #87. FYETA is at #65. Just checked a second ago.

Is that from the live feed or the regular site? How often to they update the regular site? The live feed is supposed to be updating continually.

the regular site is lagging way behind the live feed….the #70 is from the regular site

It seems that for Adam and Kris now, that SYTYCD has done more for sales boosting, than late night appearances for them both.

Makes sense – the audiences are much larger for SYTYCD than for Conan, Letterman, etc. And it tends to be the younger/Glee-type crowd, which, based on the Glee itunes jumps, likes to gobble up music after watching it on these shows.

So happy that WWFM is doing well! Love that song, Adam sings the hell out of it, and it has all the right ingredients to be a hit!

It seems that for Adam and Kris now, that SYTYCD has done more for sales boosting, than late night appearances for them both.

Yes, in terms of iTunes movement, the primetime appearance on SYTYCD for both Kris & Adam did much more than any of the late-night appearances.

I think the live feed was “stuck” for a while, which isn’t unusual – it’s around #50 now on my live feed as well.

Adam steals the show SYTYCD

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1628435/20091217/lambert_adam_american_idol_.jhtml

http://www.rockstarweekly.com/content/view/1314/149/

and a funny photo!
http://es.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=j8pnut&s=6

Jesse McCartney wants to work with Adam. He thinks he can focus his extraordinary talents.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1628463/20091217/mccartney__jesse.jhtml

I looked but didn’t see this anywhere. Apologies if it’s already been posted.

The cast of GLEE is nominated for a Screen Actors Guild award for best ensemble in a comedy TV series:

http://www.sagawards.org/nominations

The other nominees in that category are the casts of 30 Rock, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Office and Modern Family. I was hoping Glee would get a SAG nomination, because they really are an ensemble.

So glad to hear some Danny news finally on this blog. Danny is working hard and putting out some really good stuff

He really is working hard. A lot of good things are starting to happen for him.

Yes, excited to read all that he is doing and looking forward to him at the Opry. As far as Idol without Simon, I don’t think show will fold. I agree that there may be time for some fresh judges. Ben Folds can make a good judge, and I’m sure Ellen will help keep it going, too.:-)

Makes sense ‘“ the audiences are much larger for SYTYCD than for Conan, Letterman, etc. And it tends to be the younger/Glee-type crowd, which, based on the Glee itunes jumps, likes to gobble up music after watching it on these shows.

Indeed it makes sense to me as well, so I was happy both my boys got to be on it and get their music out there and both get sales boosts.

LLWD is doing GREAT! on the billboard charts and iTunes singles charts. and WWFM has some nice growth, though it still has a long, long way to go, but I hope that it’s at least as successful as LLWD has been.

Now if I could just get good news on Allison. sigh. Maybe after the new year they’ll try a new single? FIBOU doesn’t seem to be getting any traction and while I’m all for waiting and growing (see LLWD) I don’t see any traction with that song thus far. And of course the freeze until after xmas, won’t help. But how long are they going to continue to try and work with FIBOU? I mean FYE wasn’t working for Adam, so they moved to WWFM and there you go.

I mean FYE wasn’t working for Adam, so they moved to WWFM and there you go.

Interesting that FYE, though lagging behind WWFM on I-tunes single sales, is also moving up the chart.

someone posted on YT the Kris TMZ segment as it appeared on tv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq3oCRl6EQ4

watch his presumably phone list! hahahaha quite funny!

Brad Walsh tweeted that he was asked to do a dance remix of FYE. It’s not out et but you can preview it here. Me likey.

http://www.djcity.com/digital/adam-lambert-for-your-entertainment-brad-walsh-remix—11142.htm

Maybe after the new year they’ll try a new single? FIBOU doesn’t seem to be getting any traction and while I’m all for waiting and growing (see LLWD) I don’t see any traction with that song thus far. And of course the freeze until after xmas, won’t help. But how long are they going to continue to try and work with FIBOU? I mean FYE wasn’t working for Adam, so they moved to WWFM and there you go.

I think that originally Jive was hoping that FIBOU would go the same way as LLWD (what’s with all the long name debut singles this year anyway – Crush on Light On were much simpler) and would grow. The problem is that LLWD had Z100 behind it from the get go whereas they still haven’t officially added FIBOU. I actually think there are two big reasons that FYE was switched out so quickly to WWFM whereas that has happened with FIBOU: 1) After the AMA performance the label wanted something a little more straightforward for Adam to perform on all his subsequent performances. FIBOU never generated a controversy that needed toe be “fixed” like FYE did – WWFM was to help “fix” things. 2) Jive and RCA likely have different strategies regarding singles.

I would love to see a new single pushed for Allison because some of the stuff on her album is just so amazing.

Interesting that FYE, though lagging behind WWFM on I-tunes single sales, is also moving up the chart.

Even tho it did not do well on radio for whatever reason, everyone I know in real life LOVES FYE — even people I know who are by no means adam fans have been caught absentmindedly humming it. I don’t know why people think it has no hook — I find it really catchy and fun. It is being played in dance clubs in NYC, I see the video every morning (usually more than once) on VH1…the more i hear it the more i like it. It may never be a chart/radio hit, but that doesn’t mean its a bad song.

There might also have been too many new idols for the radio to swallow… maybe in january they are more receptive?

even people I know who are by no means adam fans have been caught absentmindedly humming it. I don’t know why people think it has no hook ‘” I find it really catchy and fun.

ITA – I think FYE is VERY catchy! Loved it the first second Ryan played it on the radio! For some reason the original song always had me smiling and giddy when I heard it – then, post-AMAs, and now with the mv, I find it to be incredibly sexy and fun too.

In contrast, I love that WWFM is so much more poignant, and has decidedly more levels than FYE. Two good songs to have out!

At 11:35 a.m. Pacific time, iTunes live feed says:

#51 WWFM
#81 FYE (song)
#63 & #101 FYE (album)

#29 LLWD
#132 Kris Allen

Adam’s SYTYCD performance clearly had an impact on iTunes sales.

iTunes chart rankings before the show was broadcast in the ET/CT and at 12/17/09 2:30PM ET

FYE Deluxe Album pre-SYTYCD: #130 Now: #65 music, #14 pop
FYE Regular Album pre-SYTYCD: #110 Now: #100 music, #19 pop
WWFM [single] pre-SYTYCD: #124 Now: #50 music, #27 pop
FYE [single] pre-SYTYCD: #92 Now: #81 music, #32 pop
FYE music video #1 before broadcast and still number 1.

Amazon: FYE album CD moved from #22 to #13 on the CD Bestseller chart. [as of 12/17/09 2:30PM ET]. Amazon chart movement also due to $7.99 sale price on all three new Idol albums.

Girlygirl — twin posts!! iTunes is just update the site.

Brad Walsh tweeted that he was asked to do a dance remix of FYE. It’s not out et but you can preview it here. Me likey.

http://www.djcity.com/digital/adam-lambert-for-your-entertainment-brad-walsh-remix'”11142.htm

I haven’t listened to it yet but FYE would probably be a good single for the Billboard Dance chart. Good plan by RCA if that’s what they’re doing.

Edit: I listened to the preview. FYE isn’t my style but the dance mix is better IMO. WWFM is much better for pop radio.

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For the Allison fans, Allison is ahead of Adam on the movers and shakers list with a big green arrow going up on Amazon.

There are now 3 remixes of FYE in the works — here are links to the working remix audios:

@bradwalsh: http://bit.ly/5TF8F6

Fonzerelli FYE Remix: http://www.djcity.com/digital/adam-lambe….mix—11143.htm

Bimbo Vocal Remix: http://www.djcity.com/digital/adam-lambe….mix—11141.htm

Wonder if there are more in the works? Bet these remixes are released before the start the Adam Europe push which seems like it will be in late January.

CD is being released in UK, Japan, Portugal and Brazil in January — per RCA music. [These are international releases vs. sale of US Import CD which is already available in many countries but expensive.] CD’s have already been shipped to Portugal and Brazil. Adam PR is already started in Japan and the UK. [New Adam feature today in a Japanese Music/Entertainment magazine.]

There appears to be plans to release the CD is several other countries in Europe and Asia but no confirmation from RCA.

I would like to ask:

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For the Allison fans, Allison is ahead of Adam on the movers and shakers list with a big green arrow going up on Amazon.

Allison, Adam and Kris are all in the Amazon Top 10 for movers and shakers:

Allison went from 106 to 62
Adam went from 22 to 13
Kris went from 58 to 38

I’m not sure I understand the list order though – wouldn’t Kris’s jump be considered higher then Adam’s because he jumped 20 spots?

I’m not sure I understand the list order though ‘“ wouldn’t Kris’s jump be considered higher then Adam’s because he jumped 20 spots?

Hmm, not sure how Amazon exactly determines the movers and shakers list. It may have to do with jump over a certain time frame, as in, if you jump less, but do it really really quickly and stay there, it counts more. IDK, though.

Wow with those post-SYTYCD jumps! Holy be-jezus I was not expecting that much movement at all! I also think it has to do with a lot of positive buzz about the performance. Several ew.com articles for instance are up today about what a great performance it was. So people can also check it out on sites like that if they didn’t see it live.

I vote for Kanye West to take Simon’s place if he leaves Idol.

I haven’t listened to it yet but FYE would probably be a good single for the Billboard Dance chart. Good plan by RCA if that’s what they’re doing.

I thought when I first heard FYE that it would be a huge club hit mixed as a dance track. My sister’s DJ boyfriend seems to think it would do well in the clubs, too, he said he was going to spin it (who knows if he has, but that’s what he said, heh).

Q3 thx for the FYE remix info. Checking them out now…

I tink that Simon news is true. Just like the addition of the 4th judge meant the end of Paula (the following season), I think the addition of Ellen means the end of Simon (the following season). Why add a big star like Ellen if Simon wasn’t leaving.

And if Simon leaves I think thats kind of the end of Idol. Not that the show won’t go on but probably more like a SYTYCD which has ratings of around 8 million or so. It certainly won’t continue as the #1 show on Tv.

When you look at the charts and see Simon’s discovery SuBo crushing the S8 winner and runner up in sales its clear that Simon’s brand is gaining and the Idol brand is diminished. So it’s Simon’s star making magic that will draw the viewers not just the talent show competition (which Idol becomes without him.)

I’ll be sad when Simon leaves but thats my take on whats coming.
The only way things could change is if S9 produced another megastar which would boost the Idol brand for another few seasons.

There was some Godawful band competition a few years back out of the Idol factory. Some folks here loved that show’s judges but the show completely bombed in ratings and was cancelled.

A taste of what could be coming for Idol without Simon.

When you look at the charts and see Simon’s discovery SuBo crushing the S8 winner and runner up in sales its clear that Simon’s brand is gaining and the Idol brand is diminished.

Hmm, IDK – SuBo and Simon struck gold (or platinum, as it were) with her album, but I hardly see that ushering in some major change whereby that’s the kind of music that everyone makes, and that the likes of what AI contestants produce (e.g. – more pop/rock, in other words CURRENT music) comes to an end.

Simon is very old fashioned in his tastes, imo. Nothing he supports (as in, many of the UK artists he signs) tends to seem current as far as I’m concerned. Maybe that old fashioned sound is appealing to the markets that still buy music (very possible), but if it means any kind of major shift in music, I think I may just tear my ears off (er, not the best picture, lol)

I like this FYE remix A LOT!

@bradwalsh: http://bit.ly/5TF8F6

It’s not that SuBo will change music but she’s Simon’s discovery (but not from American Idol.) So who needs American Idol to produce chart monsters. You really only need Simon.

Simon Fuller is a smart guy but I truly can’t imagine AI without Cowell.
It would be like a shadow of itself. Seriously, Randy, Kyra, Ellen ain’t gonna cut it. Ryan would the only thing the show would have going for it.

SuBo is a product of YouTube more than anything else. I don’t think XFactor will fly in the US.

I like this FYE remix A LOT!

@bradwalsh: http://bit.ly/5TF8F6

That was the one I liked, too. Made me want to go to the club. I never go to the club, heh.

Simon is very old fashioned in his tastes, imo. Nothing he supports (as in, many of the UK artists he signs) tends to seem current as far as I’m concerned. Maybe that old fashioned sound is appealing to the markets that still buy music (very possible), but if it means any kind of major shift in music, I think I may just tear my ears off (er, not the best picture, lol)

I completely agree about Simon’s taste in music – I feel like he still lives in the 90s and doesn’t seem to understand music now. SuBo, I think is a one-off phenomenon and I doubt we’ll see something like her performance post debut for a long time.

Simon’s discovery but not from American Idol. So who needs American Idol to find chart monsters.

American Idol is about grabbing an audience each week for the show. Once the season ends, most people outside blogsville go about their lives and could care less how the various Idols are doing in the biz.

Idol needs to be revamped if simon leaves. Bring in a judge like ben folds, find more talented struggling artists instead of teenagers who just want to be famous, get rid of the karaoke style genre nights and let them sing their own music if they want. Also, let them sing full songs, not just a minute and a half. It’s time for this show to gain a little credibility by actually finding and showcasing real talent, not reality show gimicks.

Seriously Ben Folds won’t draw 12 people to watch Idol if Simon leaves.
Ditto all the other changes to the show. American Idol is Cinderella and Simon is the fariy Godfather. Otherwise just call it Star Search 2011 and forget about it.

I thought finding Kelly Clarkson, Jennifer Hudson, Fantasia, Carrie etc. had given the show some credibility. Grammy winners all.

I mean FYE wasn’t working for Adam, so they moved to WWFM and there you go.

I respect the fact that this is your opinion, Truthiness, but I have to say I completely disagree with this statement. It wasn’t a case of FYE not “working.” RCA/19 never promoted FYE. They threw it out there at the end of October, a little more than 3 weeks before the album dropped. Then it virtually disappeared until Adam performed it on the AMA’s on 11/22, one day before the album went on sale. He hasn’t performed it since. No radio call-in’s (that I can remember), no performances anywhere. Plus WWFM was also released as a downloadable single 10 days prior to the album’s release.

Parallels have been drawn to Christina A.’s situation with Dirrty and Beautiful where she really pushed her label to release Dirrty as the first single. After the song failed to chart higher than 48 (despite being promoted), they switched gears and released Beautiful in December, three months later. That was considered a fairly rapid swap-out at the time and it took 3 months; the concept that the label abandonned the song after 3 weeks is a little bit ridiculous to me.

To me it’s pretty clear that they always intended WWFM to be the first single, maybe because it’s more rockerish and they thought that would be an easier sell for Adam. I think he’s tearing it up in the live performances. But that’s not to say FYE won’t “work.” Imo, FYE is a great song with a great video that will do fantastic overseas and perhaps may surprise a few doubters by catching on here as well. Even if Adam continues to perform and promote WWFM, I think the video will continue to sell FYE. Time will tell. I give it 4 months.

i really feel like US XFactor is going to have an America’s Got Talent type reception… i don’t think it would do too well… at least not Idol-like success.

I said a judge like ben folds. Someone who actually gives thoughtful, meaningful, helpful critiques. Who cares if its a ratings giant? I just want it to continue to find great talented artists.

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It wasn’t a case of FYE not ‘working.’  RCA/19 never promoted FYE. They threw it out there at the end of October, a little more than 3 weeks before the album dropped. Then it virtually disappeared until Adam performed it on the AMA’s on 11/22, one day before the album went on sale. He hasn’t performed it since. No radio call-in’s (that I can remember), no performances anywhere. Plus WWFM was also released as a downloadable single 10 days prior to the album’s release.

I think it has been discussed before that there was some behind the scenes stuff going on with the push for FYE that just wasn’t working. I also think there was a slight assumption that the reception would be more along the lines of “OMG! Adam Lambert music – must play it” so that the label didn’t have Adam calling into different shows all over like what Kris did with LLWD. I don’t think the release date of the single was as much an issue as you make it seem only because from what I remember, this is the typical time frame that RCA uses (correct me if I’m wrong) with single debuts compared to album drops. I really think if Adam had done all the call-ins to radio all over the country the song would have been better received by radio and the public. Because from all we know all the promo was done behind the scenes it seems like there was no push, but I really can’t imagine thatis what RCA was doing.

Who cares if its a ratings giant?

If it isn’t a ratings giant, it would be off the TV before you can say boo.

We fans have so many complaints about American Idol, but obviously, something works in that formula for it to be the #1 show and survive to 9 seasons and to spawn all those (insert your country here) Idols.

When you look at the charts and see Simon’s discovery SuBo crushing the S8 winner and runner up in sales its clear that Simon’s brand is gaining and the Idol brand is diminished. So it’s Simon’s star making magic that will draw the viewers not just the talent show competition (which Idol becomes without him.)

Subo is crushing everyone on the charts, not just the Idols, and if she’s an example of “Simon’s brand” then he’s not selling music, he’s selling something else (maybe that’s your point). People are buying into a feel good story and a fad and Subo has neither the star power nor the talent to have any sort of lasting career. I wish her well, but I also hope for her sake that she’s got a good accountant.

I think it has been discussed before that there was some behind the scenes stuff going on with the push for FYE that just wasn’t working. I also think there was a slight assumption that the reception would be more along the lines of ‘OMG! Adam Lambert music ‘“ must play it’  so that the label didn’t have Adam calling into different shows all over like what Kris did with LLWD.

Yes, it has been discussed before. Here’s the difference.

What I wrote about short timeframes, lack of radio call-in’s, lack of performances, release of the second song ahead of the album release, etc. is all based on observable, reported facts.

The stuff about the behind-the-scenes discussions with radio pds, negative feedback, (blah, blah) and assumptions about the label being so deluded and blind as to think Adam didn’t need to sell his music is just that – assumptions, speculation, and conjecture. Not fact.

I have a question: what’s the difference between AI and X factor? they sound very similar? I’ve read somewhere that 19 sued Simon for copyright breach.

SuBo, I think is a one-off phenomenon and I doubt we’ll see something like her performance post debut for a long time.

ITA – her rise is astronomical, mind-boggling, and imo, doesn’t really hold a lot of substance behind it to sustain it in the longterm. It’s one of those perfect storms that comes around once in a very long while and just really takes off. In other words, I don’t see it as any substantial evidence that the Simon brand is beating the AI brand.

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does anyone know what this is? is there a new performance that is being televised somewhere tonite?

Is Kristen around? It seems like our password on mediabase has expired.

Adam Lambert, Kris Allen and Allison Iraheta urge you to get your last minute votes in to win the concert of a lifetime in your hometown!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va0lennwFhU

The last day to vote is tomorrow Friday 12/18.

So who needs American Idol to produce chart monsters. You really only need Simon.

Again – SuBo is a magical, special storm that is going to make Simon even more ridiculously wealthy, but how have his other signed artists done in comparison, just out of curiosity? (I actually don’t really know myself). I know he “found” Leona Lewis, but her last album was hardly stellar in the US (though overseas could be another story).

Simon has a magic touch when it comes to shows, of that I have no doubt. In fact, I’d venture that most of his money comes from creating/producing AI type shows, rather than necessarily signing or finding the talent off of them – he probably realizes the hard truth of the music biz, which is that there is much more easy money to be made off of these reality shows than there is off music artists. Just my 2 cents.

Is Kristen around? It seems like our password on mediabase has expired

Sad day. It was bound to happen sooner or later. I actually thought they would cut that off within a couple of days. It was certainly a blast while it lasted.

The stuff about the behind-the-scenes discussions with radio pds, negative feedback, (blah, blah) and assumptions about the label being so deluded and blind as to think Adam didn’t need to sell his music is just that ‘“ assumptions, speculation, and conjecture. Not fact.

It is a reported fact though that RCA was pushing FYE (reported by HDD…something to the effect that they would be working the single to radio and RCA was fully committed to Adam Lambert) and that RCA was working it’s connections (reported by the moderator at Adam Official).

So, I think it’s reasonable to conclude that RCA did try to push FYE. It’s debatable why it did not succeed (radio didn’t like it, they felt dissed by Adam not doing interviews, it received crappy call-outs, it didn’t fit formats), but based on the evidence, RCA did promo it at the internal radio level.

Personally, I think it quite unlikely that RCA would make a video for the song if they did not intend to push it. Videos are expensive. TfM makes sense because it was part of the movie promo, but the FYE video only makes sense if it is a single. IMO. Nor would they have sent it for adds at all. If they hadn’t sent it for adds, it wouldn’t have looked like a flop. RCA makes mistake, but it knows enough not to give the illusion of a flop if it can help it. If they had always intended on releasing WWFM as the “true single” the week of the album release, they would have just sent out FYE as a teaser with no add date. To do otherwise would be completely irrational.

Well, I guess it would be rational if they wanted it to fail because their was in-fighting within the Adam camp and RCA didn’t want FYE as the single and they only way they could convince the other side to give up was to half-a$$ a release.

So, IMO, either FYE was a flop or it was spiked on purpose due to internal in-fighting. I think the flop is the more positive spin.

Sad day. It was bound to happen sooner or later. I actually thought they would cut that off within a couple of days. It was certainly a blast while it lasted.

Damn. Anyway to get those numbers?

Sorry, for spamming posts. I can’t edit.

I just wanted to point out that SuBo isn’t a product of X-Factor. She’s from BGT as was Paul Potts. Simon’s only successful export of an X-Factor winner is Leona Lewis (not looking too succesful these days).

AGT does not seem to be able to replicate the success of BGT. BGT is able to make successes of these unattractive sad sacks (sorry, that’s exactly what Paul and SuBo were marketed as) because they can really control the story-line. Further, there is only like three competition rounds over a short period of time. Both Paul and SuBo were able to ride to success on the strength of a single song. I think Danny would have been a whoppin’ success if he’d only had to have one good song and people didn’t have time to tire of his backstory.

X-Factor is like AI in that there are several weeks of competition, so these “youtube sensations” would have to come up with the goods at some point. The prime differences between X-Factor and AI is that it has higher production values (dancers and actual sound/light technicians that offer suggestions), mentoring by the judges and the judges get to pick who to boot during the early rounds out of the bottom vote getters.

Simon is getting boring and phoning it in. If you can get somebody to create a sensation, Simon would quickly be forgotten. Don’t forget he was a nobody when he started. I think that they are trying to do that with Ellen, but they really should have added a bit of a crabby nobody. We like some bite every once and a while.

Damn. Anyway to get those numbers?

We’ll have to rely on the publicly available numbers on AllAccess and the public Mediabase charts (they have rolling charts that cover the top 40. AllAccess extends that down to Top 50).

Unless one of us is wealthy and purchases a Mediabase account.

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So, IMO, either FYE was a flop or it was spiked on purpose due to internal in-fighting. I think the flop is the more positive spin.

Some songs just don’t work on radio. And for whatever reason, FYE didn’t. I think Adam’s fortunate that RCA moved on to the next single so quickly, so he didn’t waste a ton of time trying to make a single happen that just wasn’t going to happen.

The FYE video isn’t a total loss. They’re selling a few downloads on iTunes. It’s on VH1 & MTV helping to keep Adam in the public eye. And, it will be usefull if that’s a single they try to push in the intertnational market.

Apparently, FYE may even see some knew life as a dance club remix. So, while a flop on radio, not a total loss in general. But yeah, if WWFM was intended as a “True Single” and the rest of all of this was just subterfuge of some sort, they would have made a video for each. Not just FYE.

Further, there is only like three competition rounds over a short period of time. Both Paul and SuBo were able to ride to success on the strength of a single song.

Which is why BGT is SUCH A JOKE. UGH.

X-Factor is like AI in that there are several weeks of competition, so these ‘youtube sensations’  would have to come up with the goods at some point.

This part I like.

The prime differences between X-Factor and AI is that it has higher production values (dancers and actual sound/light technicians that offer suggestions), mentoring by the judges and the judges get to pick who to boot during the early rounds out of the bottom vote getters.

Higher production values is fine, but the part in bold, I DON’T like. More opportunity for producer manipulation. I also don’t like how judges on X-Factor have so much control over what “their” contestant sings. Again, more producer control, less opportunity for the contestants to show their own “artistry” or what have you. Bottom line, I MUCH prefer AI over these shows… I’m big time rooting for AI over them.

i really like kris, but i wish he would stop campaigning on twitter and on radio to have the concert in little rock….he needs to build new fans outside arkansas. this isnt “arkansas idol” nemore…..the concert needs to be held in new york which i think is still winning right now, but im sure adam and alison arent going to want to come to a “kris allen homecoming”, this will do none of the 3 favors and i really wish he would stop…if the concert was held in new york, most likely the press will be there and its in a big city so more fans can go, no press is going to go to arkansas unless its an arkansas paper, this is really annoying and unfortunately kris needs to understand that if he wants his album to sell, he needs to expand his fanbase bc arkansas peeps will already buy it, they know who kris allen is

Unless one of us is wealthy and purchases a Mediabase account.

It seems like MJ could put some money away from our membership fees and get an account.

Seriously though, If we could get 20 of us to go in together and donate $10 apiece for a membership, I’d gladly pitch in.

When you look at the charts and see Simon’s discovery SuBo crushing the S8 winner and runner up in sales its clear that Simon’s brand is gaining and the Idol brand is diminished. So it’s Simon’s star making magic that will draw the viewers not just the talent show competition (which Idol becomes without him.)

I would bet no one in the U.S. is buying Susan Boyle’s CD because of Simon’s brand. BGT doesn’t play here so the connection is not terribly obvious. Plus, it’s not Simon’s mug on the cover; it’s hers. Even her story is more about HER and not Simon. So, this is definitely a one-off. No way is Simon going to find a Susan Boyle season after season.

A taste of what could be coming for Idol without Simon.

While Idol might be suffering from the usual fatigue a successful show suffers after years on the air, there is no guarantee that because Simon is a part of a US X-Factor that it will be a big hit. There are similarities to AI but there are many similarities to AGT as well, and that show does not out shine AI, nor has it produced winners with any credibility. This venture is going to be a crap shoot for Simon, even with his personal brand. I would not expect him to leave Idol until he was sure that the US X-Factor was taking off … unless he doesn’t care whether he’s on TV or a part of a successful show anymore and is willing to go all in and put his money on the fickle American public that he “so understands.”

I also think there was a slight assumption that the reception would be more along the lines of ‘OMG! Adam Lambert music ‘“ must play it’  so that the label didn’t have Adam calling into different shows all over like what Kris did with LLWD.

RCA might have been working for FYE behind the scenes but they didn’t have Adam out working the stations and pushing the song before the AMAs He was performing no where. RCA was treating him like an established artist whose product would be snapped up just because of who he is. They really over estimated his appeal. So, now they’ve gone back to treating him like a new artist who has to work his material like anyone else, granted with an AI fan base most other new artists don’t have.

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Kris will expand his fanbase by touring with a bigger act (possibly) or continuing to get hits off the album. I don’t think this concert will matter one bit. Adam and Allison are the ones to gain by having it in Little Rock – more new fans for them (if your logic is right).

I have a question: what’s the difference between AI and X factor? they sound very similar?

One sucks, the other doesn’t (as much).

no press is going to go to arkansas unless its an arkansas paper,

Jim C says that he will go to LR (okay, he might not be able to report because he’ll be stuffed full of food, but he’s campaigned for LR).

this is really annoying and unfortunately kris needs to understand that if he wants his album to sell, he needs to expand his fanbase bc arkansas peeps will already buy it, they know who kris allen is

I don’t get why it’s annoying. The majority of people following Kris on twitter are his fans in the first place. I’m sure they don’t mind if he wants a home town concert. Maybe if I lived in New York, I might be disappointed, but I don’t, so LR is as good as anyplace to me (my hometown is not elligible).

Why would Allison or Adam care if it was in Kris’s hometown as opposed to elsewhere? If it’s because Kris might get the warmest welcome, that’s kind of unavoidable. Odds are that it would be impossible to find a completely neutral location where all 3 Idols would be exactly equally loved. LR didn’t exactly throw rotten fruit at Adam and Allison during the Idol tour. I understood they got great crowd response. So, again, somebody is going to get the warmest greeting. Does it matter which person so long as they all get a warm greeting?

I really don’t think it will be a MASSIVE press event wherever it goes. I don’t recall a lot of MASSIVE national press when the Idol tour hit NY. It will likely get less press than the Z100 concert and that was really just local press (and a lot of hoopla around here).

Seriously though, If we could get 20 of us to go in together and donate $10 apiece for a membership, I’d gladly pitch in

We’d still need another $3000 or so before we’d get the membership. I seem to recall that they are in the 3-4K range for the most limited accounts.

There’s only one place in Atlanta to see Thursday’s nationwide, one-time-only ‘Reel Gay TV’  holiday show featuring Adam Lambert, Lady Gaga and more to raise awareness against hate crimes.

does anyone know what this is? is there a new performance that is being televised somewhere tonite?

I have no idea what it is, but apparently you’ll be able to watch it online here:

http://www.reelgay.com/

More info here:

http://www.reelgay.com/Xmas_2009/XMAS_09-flyer.html

this is really annoying and unfortunately kris needs to understand that if he wants his album to sell, he needs to expand his fanbase bc arkansas peeps will already buy it, they know who kris allen is

I’m quite sure Kris understands he needs to expand his fanbase beyond Idol and Arkansas. He’s been busting his ass doing concerts & radio interviews all over the place. This is a silly one-off concert that doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. Fans of Adam & Allison that would be attending a concert to see him already know who Kris is and have likely made up their minds whether or not they’re a fan.
And anyway, I think Mama Allen wants everybody over to her house for dinner, so I wouldn’t mess with her too much.

Seriously though, If we could get 20 of us to go in together and donate $10 apiece for a membership, I’d gladly pitch in

I’m in – there’s probably enough numbers honks here to get a collection going.

We’d still need another $3000 or so before we’d get the membership. I seem to recall that they are in the 3-4K range for the most limited accounts.

I was the one who asked them awhile back about the cost and I deleted the email. I’ll email them again to get the exact number.

“I was the one who asked them awhile back about the cost and I deleted the email. I’ll email them again to get the exact number.”

I’d be interested in knowing the amount. If it was a matter of $10-30 donation, I’d be in.

Anyone interested in following the Charlotte Jingle Ball – here is one ONTD_AI person who’s in line for autographs now. The event starts in an hour – I’m not sure if there’s a twitter list established yet, but in the meantime:

@kradio_benches

I have no idea what it is, but apparently you’ll be able to watch it online here:

http://www.reelgay.com/

More info here:

http://www.reelgay.com/Xmas_2009/XMAS_09-flyer.html

There is a few other Idol Alumni going to be at this event here is the list

Join REEL GAY television for a special, national, primetime Holiday Party, with ADAM LAMBERT, LADY GAGA, MATT ALBER, LEANN RHIMES, GOSSIP, KE$HA, MICHAEL JOHNS, KIMBERLY LOCKE, JON SECADA, SHERRY WOLF, BILLIE MYERS, ERIKA JAYNE, FIVE FOR FIGHTING, LONESTAR, I’M OK YOU’RE OK, PARIS HILTON, DEAN CAIN, CLEVE JONES, CYNTHIA NIXON,KATHERYN McPHEE CHELSEA HANDLER, WANDA SYKES, JAY LENO, NATALIE COLE, NAT KING COLE, THE BROADWAY CAST OF HAIR, California Governor ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER and MARIA SHRIVER, plus a special look at THE NATIONAL EQUALITY MARCH from DC in a fundraiser for GAY AMERICAN HEROES, December 17th, with REEL GAY TV DVD giveaways, and a grand prize round trip for two to Hollywood, including dinners, a shopping spree and other VIP gifts.View the show live, from your favorite club, or at home at http://www.reelgay.com.

Winner will be chosen live at 11pm PST on December 17th, 2009.Happy Holidays from REEL GAY TELEVISION.

i really like kris, but i wish he would stop campaigning on twitter and on radio to have the concert in little rock’ ¦.he needs to build new fans outside arkansas.

Why would doing one concert with Adam and Allison in AR not expand his fanbase? He’s doing tons of Jingle Balls across the country. He’s doing radio interviews across the country and appearing on national TV, and his song is a Top 40 hit being played across the country. One concert isn’t going to hurt, or help expanding his fanbase if it takes place in AR. Would he possibly get more attention from the media if it took place in places where the media is, like in NY and LA? possibly. But in any event it’s a Ryan Seacrest thing, so it’s still going to get some coverage beyond AR.

At least that’s my take on it.

i really like kris, but i wish he would stop campaigning on twitter and on radio to have the concert in little rock’ ¦.

i would hardly call it “campaigning” the fact of twitting one time about voting for LR and to do the same on a Arkansas tv interview.
Last week, he merely stated to vote for your choice city! I guess he got some pressure to get more LR votes. I doubt he will mention anything more on the subject.

I’d be interested in knowing the amount. If it was a matter of $10-30 donation, I’d be in.

I’ll let you know when I get a response.

Weeklyspins – I remember the number – it was $395/month.

thanks Eilee99 for the twitter account name for the Charlotte gig tonight

Weeklyspins ‘“ I remember the number ‘“ it was $395/month.

That’s crazy! What kind of people or business’s buy it? I can kind of understand a college buying it to study but who else?

I think that they are trying to do that with Ellen, but they really should have added a bit of a crabby nobody. We like some bite every once and a while.

Has anybody ever seen an interview with Simon Fuller? He seems like the logical replacement for Cowell: Same first name, same accent, also wealthier than God. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if some viewers didn’t even realize it’s not the same guy!

Oops, I forgot krinja_signal is in Charlotte, too. She’s at soundcheck – new album songs today from Kris.

That’s crazy! What kind of people or business’s buy it? I can kind of understand a college buying it to study but who else?

Maybe we can ask the lady who bought the 1,000 FYE videos.

Maybe we can ask the lady who bought the 1,000 FYE videos.

No wonder it went #1! How many videos does it take to go number 1 usually in a week? I know they never release the sales of videos but I wonder if it has ever been leaked?

I hope the Kradison concert will be hold at NYC or Boston so that the ladies who took awesome summer tour videos can go (iirc they were at that area).

MJ, are you going to the concert?

That’s crazy! What kind of people or business’s buy it? I can kind of understand a college buying it to study but who else?

You mean radio play charts?

People inside the industry, people who represent the industry or artists, the media who follow the industry, etc.

Um, unless I’m missing something here, Kris isn’t exactly campaigning all that hard for the Kradison concert to be in Little Rock. I think he’s maybe tweeted twice about the contest? And if you are talking about the interview he did with Fox16 — HELLO — that station is in Little Rock. The anchors are the ones who brought it up, and he was talking to viewers who live in Arkansas. He isn’t going on every interview he does saying vote for Little Rock, like he’s stumping for a political election or something…

He would like to do a hometown concert. Who wouldn’t? But I doubt he will be upset if it ends up taking place in NYC instead.

Personally I think the concert should be somewhere they didn’t go during the Idol tour this summer. If they really want to expand the fanbase, why go somewhere people have already seen you in concert? Why not go to Houston or New Orleans or some other big city that they didn’t go to on tour? Or even to a smaller city that they didn’t play during the AI tour?

I hope the Kradison concert will be hold at NYC or Boston so that the ladies who took awesome summer tour videos can go (iirc they were at that area).

I hope it ‘s NY as well, Boston, sorry to say, doesn’t seem to have a chance. But that way some of our East Coast peeps can go there! And give us reports. Memories, light the corners of my tour mind. Misty tour memories, of the way we were…
*sniff*

I wonder how many songs each they get to do? Hmmm.

MJ, are you going to the concert?

If it’s in New York…maybe.

People inside the industry, people who represent the industry or artists, the media who follow the industry, etc.

I would think that the record companies would have their own system that they use but maybe not.

It baffles me why peeps want to donate to an Idol alum to get radio play or to play at his home state. .How about spend it for the salvation army or a charity instead?Kris Allan is not really called suffering like those with no jobs or have no food out there..Maybe just me but its your money..

Can anyone tell me what happened with mediabase — why I can’t get on there anymore when I try to log in?

WeeklySpins
12/17/2009 at 6:00 pm

Maybe we can ask the lady who bought the 1,000 FYE videos.

No wonder it went #1!

FYE is #1 because it’s a DAMN GOOD MV!

download link for radio int. today with Kris…dj tried to encourage Kris to make out with guys on stage and alo talked to him about “radio booty” (in connection to the TMZ video of Kris talking about Katy dreams re: Tiger Woods)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7AS95FTC

It baffles me why peeps want to donate to an Idol alum to get radio play or to play at his home state

No one is donating to get AR where the concert it, or radio play.

Some very nice lady, who does give lots to real charities and does work for real political causes, also bought some people on a message board some copies of Kris’s, Adam’s and Allison’s CD for those that couldn’t afford it. And a thousand of Adam’s FYE video for those that couldn’t afford it. But none of that had to do with the Kradison city concert contest.

Which let me say again, I found that video of them cute as a bug in a rug (though, who the hell find bugs in rugs cute? I mean ewww) but the timing could be better. Why is this out there like 1 day before the end of the contest?

nvm

wow, just logged into itunes and wwfm is at #49 on the itunes store site….that is quite a big bump from yesterday..cool

I think the promo with Kris, Adam and Allison for the concert is very cute. But should have been posted well earlier than the day before the concert ends if they really wanted a ton of people to vote. Maybe they just got around to filming it, since the 3 of them haven’t been in L.A. all that much?

wwfm is 49 overall??

girlygirl–Sorry for the misunderstanding– I ment when some in fan groups spend big money on gifts on idols to give to them .Glad your donating.

ETA-I also seemed to jump the gun a bit Oops it is hards to read like 100 responceses presumed something Else because in the past fan groups did(you know the saying)..Thanks for the explanation.

wwfm is 49 overall??

As of about 5/10 minutes ago when I logged into the store. don’t know whether it is higher or lower on the live feed.

But should have been posted well earlier than the day before the concert ends if they really wanted a ton of people to vote. Maybe they just got around to filming it, since the 3 of them haven’t been in L.A. all that much?

This looks like this was made a few weeks ago from Kris’s hair, Allison’s hair (lack of new bangs), Adam’s hair and wearing that stripey thing. And looks almost like it was taking place at the 19 offices.

And yes, it’s sad that I have such a sense of their respective hair, clothing patterns and took note of the offices when Lyndsey was doing those Yahoo videos and that they could be them. Hard to tell, because very generic office, but that’s my inexpert guesstimate.

According to the live fee, WWFM is 49 and FYE single is at 79

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=9930210/limit=0000/rss.xml

According to the live fee, WWFM is 49 and FYE single is at 79

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wpa/MRSS/topsongs/sf=9930210/limit=0000/rss.xml

WOW

According to the live fee, WWFM is 49 and FYE single is at 79

wow indeed…that is one big -ass jump…

cakeygirl
12/17/2009 at 6:49 pm
wwfm is 49 overall??

No, WWFM is 56 overall
LLWD is 21

No, WWFM is 56 overall
LLWD is 21

Not that it matters, but on my itunes WWFM is 49 and LLWD is 27….maybe it has changed and my itunes hasn’t caught up….but others are saying the live feed shows 49….either way, at some point today WWFM was as high as 49, which is pretty darn good seeing as it was in the 120s yesterday

As of 4:15 pm Pacific time, my live iTunes feed has…

#27 LLWD
#49 WWFM
#79 FYE (song)

That is a huge jump for WWFM — wasn’t it in the low 100′s prior to Adam going on SYTYCD last night? Good for him!

And again — can anyone tell me what’s going on with mediabase — why can’t I login successfully onto their site now?

And again ‘” can anyone tell me what’s going on with mediabase ‘” why can’t I login successfully onto their site now?

Apparently the password expired. Sadz.

Ok, what the heck is the DJ at the Kissmas bash in Charlotte that Kris is playing tonight trying to do?

hotstickibunz82

# Ok *breathes* DJ played Beyonce ‘Single Ladies” asked 4 all the single women to make noise…then proceeds to say (cont.) 9 minutes ago from UberTwitter

# The Dj then says into the mic “I heard Kris Allen is single…or atleast someone told me” O_O like seriously WTF does that even mean o_o 8 minutes ago from UberTwitter

#But..you have clearly single guys in the concert why choose Kris..after he said that Kris was single the crowd said no then he said the rest 5 minutes ago from UberTwitter

# I mean even if it WAS a joke O_O I mean come on…lol! to joke about a married man being single? Everyone around me tweeted after he said it 3 minutes ago from UberTwitter

soverymel

oh – sadz is right

Thanks

Kris is in the latest issue of TV Guide?

yobench

# Kris is in the new TV Guide. “Kris-tening the New Year!” Singing LLWD and CSA, never been to Vegas, tweets Alli, talks/texts Adam “plenty.” 23 minutes ago from web

Seriously Ben Folds won’t draw 12 people to watch Idol if Simon leaves.

Seriously? He might draw in my 20-something son and stepson who are Ben Folds fans and would otherwise not be caught dead watching AI… even if just for the novelty. If he treated the show seriously, they might do the same.

Personally, I would appreciate a judge who is a musician who can give a critique like a musician, not a half-assed “Yo dawg” or “Package artist” and not like an entertainment mogul who is more interested in his own bottom line than the actually musical merit. Simon Cowell is not necessary to the success of AI. A change might actually be just what the show needs to pick up a younger audience.

Ben Folds for the win!!!! LOVE him. He knows his stuff, no fluff, and he’s entertaining to watch. Good personality.

Vote for the Worst loved the Christmas sweaters last night.

http://www.votefortheworst.com

Kirsten
12/17/2009 at 4:43 pm

It is a reported fact though that RCA was pushing FYE (reported by HDD’ ¦something to the effect that they would be working the single to radio and RCA was fully committed to Adam Lambert)

Link please. These are vague and general comments. We truly have no idea whether there was some general testing-the-waters kind of promo or serious, committed “working” the stations promo. We – none of us knows.

and that RCA was working it’s connections (reported by the moderator at Adam Official).

Who is this anonymous person and what is his/her position with the label?

So, I think it’s reasonable to conclude that RCA did try to push FYE.

Well, maybe RCA pushed it as much as they pushed Cook’s Bar-ba-sol which was released on March 23, 2009 and never charted.

Before folks put a stake in FYE and bury it, perhaps they should consider the history of Lady GaGa’s Just Dance. The song was released on April 8, 2008, the music video was out by May, and the song peaked on the Hot Dance Club charts during the summer of ’08. It entered the Billboard Hot 100 at #76 on 8/16/08 and finally reached #1 in January of 2009, 22 weeks later. Now, I’m not saying FYE will have the success of a Just Dance, only that there are other routes to the top besides what is known from previous Idol lore, which – in the scheme of things – is a fairly small subset of music charting history.

i know cook did his own tour and did great, but i cant help but think that adam would benefit opening up for someone. he needs to expand more outside the american idol bubble!

Vote for the Worst loved the Christmas sweaters last night.

http://www.votefortheworst.com

Oh well if they loved it…

that means I have to hate it now, darn it! I mean I had liked it before, but now it’s ruined. First Letterman’s heart won’t grow three sizes bigger and squashes having Rydal (or whatever his name is) dress like Santa and now this! Bah humbbug indeed. I’m going to need a lot of eggnog now to get me back in the xmas spirirt.

Heard a rumor that Allison is on Kimmel tonight (Thursday), hope so.

As for Simon leaving Idol, personally I think the show would do fine without him. There are many good judges out there, just look at Ben Folds and Shawn Stockman on Sing-Off, or Bruno on DWTS, for starters. Simon has never been to me the glue that holds the show together, he is interesting but others are too … Ellen will be interesting enough in her own right, and adding another male next year could easily work. I hope they won’t end the show just because Simon leaves. Actually I’d love him to leave and for the show to thrive without him, just to prove that he wasn’t essential to the show. He’s good but not irreplaceable.

Wow Vote for the Worst is just as uncool as I thought the sweaters were lol. Oh yeah they love Kris and hate Adam no surprise there.

Are you serious Bruno from DWTS to judge AI???? lmao

Vote for the Worst loved the Christmas sweaters last night.

VFTW likes Kris so that doesn’t surprise me. NOW if Adam had that exact same sweater on, their response would be totally different…. lol

As of 4:15 pm Pacific time, my live iTunes feed has’ ¦

#27 LLWD
#49 WWFM
#79 FYE (song)

WOW!!!! WWFM really jumped up the Itunes chart!! Adam gave a really good performance last night though so in that sense I’m not surprised. This is definitely the highest its ever charted. Hopefully that means more radio spins too.

So it looks like Kris is gonna be playing Before We Come Undone and The Truth tonight, as he did both of those songs at his soundcheck

Here’s a video of some kids dancing to fever.

http://www.ainow.org/index.php/beta-videobeta-video/viewvideo/122/misc/mtv-groove–street-jazz-ii-dance-to-qfeverq

Vote for the Worst loved the Christmas sweaters last night.

I refuse to give those jack asses any hits. They are such irrelavant jerks.

did VFTW get the joke Kris and the band were making by wearing the sweaters? I know most of the viewers got it, judging from the @replies Kris got on twitter last night.

Vote for the Worst loved the Christmas sweaters last night.

“I refuse to give those jack asses any hits. They are such irrelavant jerks.”

How true, those people are some of the meanest and vindictive creatures on the internet. I wouldn’t waste one minute of my day, reading one word they say.

Kris’ set is about to start. I saw one tweeter say she will try to get video of BWCU and The Truth

did VFTW get the joke Kris and the band were making by wearing the sweaters?

Yes, they got it – in their own special VFTW way, of course.

It is a reported fact though that RCA was pushing FYE (reported by HDD’ ¦something to the effect that they would be working the single to radio and RCA was fully committed to Adam Lambert) and that RCA was working it’s connections (reported by the moderator at Adam Official).

I can not find anything that says RCA was pushing FYE on HDD [would love a link]. But here is the rmged [RCA Music Group] post on AdomOfficial.com (12/4/09) It was posted in response to an very angry thread that started with this original post:

Top 40 Chart – This Is Where Adam Needs To Be!!!!!!!

Why is it so difficult? Is it because most radio djs are straight men? And, he has the support of people from TV and print because there are many women or gay people in it?

PLEASE don’t forget to call in your requests! We need 1,000 spins for a rolling one week period for the song to enter the Top 40 chart and then hear it get played over and over again on Top 40 stations!

None of the songs will ever break out of the idol fanbase and make it really, really big without airplay!

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Here is the RCA response in that thread:

Singles don’t top the charts in 2 weeks, and Adam’s single was only officially ‘impacted’ at Top 40 radio this week (there were a few early adds) because Adam/19/RCA didn’t settle on the single until recently (heck, the album was only finished at the last minute because Adam was so busy with press and other work). Radio promotion can’t start until a single is chosen, so blame Adam (god forbid!) or get over it. FYE is packed with hits and the selection wasn’t easy.

Stations across the country are now adding the single to their playlists (36 TF and HAC format stations in all just this past week, including major market tastemakers like KIIS LA, KHKS Dallas, and KDWB Minneapolis), based on the song’s excellence and RCA’s take-no-prisoners radio promo team. In a few weeks’ time, and after the song has accumulated close to 100 spins, these stations will begin conducting call-out and other kinds of research to gauge familiarity and popularity, and will then bump the daily/weekly rotations up or down depending on the result.

This is the true test of a hit single, because we can only finesse and find so many angles with which to defend a poorly researching song. But until then, this week’s onslaught of adds should get “FYE” moving up the charts significantly, and into the top 40 by the time stations ‘freeze’ their playlists for the holidays, usually between 12/15 and 1/5, at which point the battle to take the single higher starts again.

In the meantime, thank you for calling your LOCAL stations to request “FYE,” and please do remember the difference between requesting and harassing. Programmers are not amused by that sort of thing and may use it as an excuse to accuse RCA of putting you up to it, and NOT support the single. Station webmasters may not catch you disguising your IP address to request a million times or pulling some other trick, but it doesn’t take a genius to smell something fishy if there are 10,000 Lambert requests vs. 15 for Lady Ga Ga…for example.

1. Confirms that they got the single late.

2. As far as I can determine, there was 1 Adam promotion of FYE with KIIS-FM. In addition, although FYE got over 100 spins, RCA switch the single focus BEFORE there were any call out or research on FYE.

3. The primary purpose of this post was to derail this thread that was asking people to call stations to request they play FYE.

I can find no evidence that RCA really pushed FYE to radio, but they clearly pushed WWFM to radio.

tweeters at Kris’ concerts…they have a couple of pics posted of the band setting up for their set. No sign of Kris yet…

http://twitter.com/dy7764/charlotte-95-1-kissmas

Ellen will be interesting enough in her own right,

Not is she was like she was judging SYTYCD, than she’ll be unfunny, making it all about her and annoying. And I say this as an Ellen fan. I hope that she won’t feel she has as much to prove as she’ll be on every night and calm the hell down with her need to tell jokes. Still don’t know what she’s going to say musically about anything, but hey, I’ve gotten inurred to ‘dawg,’ and ‘pitchy,’ so as long as she cans the joke-athon, she can’t be worse.

Link please.

No problemo:

Hits Daily Double

RCA has high hopes for what it sees as the massive potential of the high-profile, flamboyant Lambert; the label will begin working a single next week.

That was published on Nov 6th and there was much debate about whether “next week” was the current week or the following week. FYE went for adds on November 4th.

I see no reason why RCA would lie to an industry magazine like that. “Working a single” is considered to mean working it to radio in industry parlance.

These are vague and general comments. We truly have no idea whether there was some general testing-the-waters kind of promo or serious, committed ‘working’  the stations promo. We ‘“ none of us knows.

No, none of us truly know. None of us work for the label. But to me, it seems completely illogical that RCA would tell an industry magazine that it was working a single, would create a video, would send the song for adds and deliberately be setting out to tank it. What possible PR advantage is to be achieved by completely the false impression that your lead-off single flopped? I can see no logical explanation for it. It’s possible that the RCA team is whacked out on booze and blow and hadn’t the slightest idea what they were doing, but that doesn’t bode well.

As Spenser said, some songs just don’t work on radio. Rihanna’s team pulled “Russian Roulette” when it failed to achieve her usual success. Lots of big stars have singles that are less than successful. I see no reason to believe that RCA would lie to the industry magazines and create a fake flop. It makes no sense to me.

Who is this anonymous person and what is his/her position with the label?

IDK. He seems to be the moderator/spokesperson on the RCA boards. Daughtry fans and Cook fans report that he is legitimate. Since he works for RCA, I cannot imagine they would have allowed the things he said (“don’t spam the radio stations” and “this is how radio works” (look for poster rgmed)) to stay posted if the label didn’t stand behind them (because the first one was a little rude).

Of interest in the second link is what he says about working radio:

Singles don’t top the charts in 2 weeks, and Adam’s single was only officially ‘impacted’ at Top 40 radio this week (there were a few early adds) because Adam/19/RCA didn’t settle on the single until recently (heck, the album was only finished at the last minute because Adam was so busy with press and other work). Radio promotion can’t start until a single is chosen, so blame Adam (god forbid!) or get over it. FYE is packed with hits and the selection wasn’t easy.

This is the true test of a hit single, because we can only finesse and find so many angles with which to defend a poorly researching song. But until then, this week’s onslaught of adds should get “FYE” moving up the charts significantly, and into the top 40 by the time stations ‘freeze’ their playlists for the holidays, usually between 12/15 and 1/5, at which point the battle to take the single higher starts again.

(and no, I don’t troll the Adam Official site. These were linked elsewhere).

Here’s the reported set list for tonight

Set list: Can’t Stay Away…Heartless…Before We Come Undone…The Truth…MITM…Is It Over…All Right With Me…Christmas Song…LLWD!!! *EPIC* less than a minute ago from UberTwitter

Set list: Can’t Stay Away’ ¦Heartless’ ¦Before We Come Undone’ ¦The Truth’ ¦MITM’ ¦Is It Over’ ¦All Right With Me’ ¦Christmas Song’ ¦LLWD!!! *EPIC* less than a minute ago from UberTwitter

.. so the new song Andrew was talking about was The Truth

*want to see videos now*

Not is she was like she was judging SYTYCD, than she’ll be unfunny, making it all about her and annoying. And I say this as an Ellen fan. I hope that she won’t feel she has as much to prove as she’ll be on every night and calm the hell down with her need to tell jokes. Still don’t know what she’s going to say musically about anything, but hey, I’ve gotten inurred to ‘dawg,’ and ‘pitchy,’ so as long as she cans the joke-athon, she can’t be worse.

Yeah, not sure what to expect from her. As a rule, I don’t care much for her, but there have been times I have grooved on what she was saying. mostly, I just don’t like the awkward way tells jokes, like she doesn’t know if she’s going to get it right or something.

photos of Kris from tonight’s concert (his set just started)

http://tweetphoto.com/6629845

http://twitpic.com/tyoiv

http://tweetphoto.com/6630294

Getting back to my point, FIBOU doesn’t seem to be catching on with radio, I know the freeze is on now until the new year, but how long will Jive give it before they try another single? or will they at all? And if they do, which song should it be?

Now my favourite songs of Allison’s are Scars and Holiday, but Dilana put Holiday on her album. LLWD is doing well enough though, and it’s a cover, so no reason that Allison’s couldn’t be released. Scars is wonderful, is it too slow to be a single? I mean Beautiful was a hit, and it’s all angsty and purty-like.

Just throwing some things out there.

hotstickibunz82
Threesome with Kris Cale and Andrew…hard to explain…you’ll see the pics *get your mind out the gutter* half a minute ago from UberTwitter

ROFLMAO – too late! Mind went straight into the gutter when read this

Getting back to my point, FIBOU doesn’t seem to be catching on with radio,

Which is a shame. I actually enjoy the song.

Anyone trying to watch the Reel Gay special

OK . I found something streaming live at
http://www.reelgay.com/Live/REEL_GAY_LIVE.html
I am not sure if it has started. Is there 4 hours difference PT to ET

Mostly people waiting in line. Oh now Gaga is arriving and signing, No Adam yet

Adam Lambert, Lady Gaga, & More Partner Up For LGBT Holiday Special

On December 17th Adam Lambert, Lady Gaga, Katharine McPhee, Kimberley Locke, and many more are taking part in one time only “Reel Gay TV” holiday show!

Article Link:http://www.ainow.org/index.php/tidbits/1544-adam-lambert-lady-gaga-a-more-partner-up-for-lgbt-holiday-special

Gaga is performing. It says Now Playing Holiday Reel Party on the stream

Does anyone know if Adam is on this?

looks like this person got video of 6 of the 9 songs Kris did tonight!!

tawneej
@krinja_signal Got good pics and vid. Will drive 4 hrs home then upload. I didn’t do Heartless, Xmas, LLWD. less than a minute ago from Echofon

A club called TigetHeat in Hollywood is having “Adam Lambert” night tonight. I think its the same place the zodiac show used to perform.

http://www.clubtigerheat.com/top.html

Getting back to my point, FIBOU doesn’t seem to be catching on with radio,

Which is a shame. I actually enjoy the song.

I do too, and I think it could be popular, if it was given a chance to get some spins. And if not FIBOU, I think the album is good if more people just knew about it.

Well I hope that Jive really is treating Allison more like a new artist, and they do seem to look more to the longer term, so there is that.

Well I hope that Jive really is treating Allison more like a new artist, and they do seem to look more to the longer term, so there is that.

I’m hoping. She’s one of my favorites.

sounds like Kris got another good crowd response tonight

tawneej

#@krinja_signal about 25 ppl left show before Derulo to wait by bus for Kris. 3 minutes ago from Echofon

#@dy7764 They were very into him [Kris], at least as much as for impending Derulo. Kris was loving the crowd. 1 minute ago from Echofon in reply to dy7764

And he definitely won over this guy

DJCompletenc

#Kris Allen just covered “Gangstas Paradise” onstage…. Was def cool… But no doubt its an #attemptatstreetcred about 1 hour ago from TweetDeck

#Now he just covered Man in the Mirror…. I’m officially a fan 44 minutes ago from TweetDeck

#@AprilJoys dudes got skillls… He’s winnin me over 43 minutes ago from TweetDeck

oh, and he gave a shoutout to Anoop during his set. He said in his radio interview that he texted Anoop about hanging out — but of course, Anoop isn’t in NC right now (oh well)

It’s possible that the RCA team is whacked out on booze and blow and hadn’t the slightest idea what they were doing, but that doesn’t bode well.

Bwah. But c’mon Kirsten, Occam’s Razor and all that…

FYE was worked to radio. It didn’t take off the way they expected. RCA pulled it and moved-on post-haste. Be thankful – a lot of artists don’t get that second chance. Radio flops happen. WWFM is doing just fine, which means that radio is open to playing Adam’s music. Again – a lot of artists are not that fortunate. All is well, yes?

Are you serious Bruno from DWTS to judge AI???? lmao

Actually no, that’s not what I said, I said there are good judges out there, Bruno was just one example, not to judge Idol, but to show that Simon isn’t the only qualified judge to entertain people. Bruno wouldn’t judge Idol as his forte is dance, not the singing industry.

Here’s the official list of songs eligible for an Oscar nomination. No TFM.

63 Songs Set To Compete For Oscar

oh dear, sounds like someone tried to tongue Kris again! (and embarassed her teenaged daughter at the same time)

eclecticxmanda

#people need to respect his space. this woman just kissed him twice and he looked so uncomfortable. 6 minutes ago from txt

tawneej

@KrisAllen Thanks for the killer show and for being so awesome to your fans. Except for that lady who just kissed you. That was… weird. 13 minutes ago from Echofon

KRADIO_BENCHES

@krisallen im so sorry my mom attacked you a few minutes ago by hugging you and kissing you. 13 minutes ago from txt

@tawneej that woman that kissed him was my mom. i am so embarrassed i want to cry. 3 minutes ago from txt

im so embarrassed right now. i know its probably not a big deal to him but i want to die. 2 minutes ago from txt

@tawneej but i still want to die. everyone was like… wtf? shes still laughing about it. 1 minute ago from txt

Evidently, to this Peggy Noonan person, Adam’s AMA performance is a microcosm of all that’s wrong with America now — or some such crap… WTAF???

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704238104574602470345172100.html

Hits Daily Double

RCA has high hopes for what it sees as the massive potential of the high-profile, flamboyant Lambert; the label will begin working a single next week.

Yep. That article name-checked about 35 different artists so it doesn’t sound as if they had an in-depth discussion with RCA. And all it said was, “the label will begin working a single next week.” That could have been standard blather from some low level PR person who knew squat. No one’s suggesting lying or a conspiracy.

And if the article said next week, I’ll assume they meant next week, which means the “working” part didn’t begin until Monday, 11/10 and lasted two weeks (instead of three). Because if I remember correctly, Adam sang WWFM on CBS on 11/25. You talk about stuff making “no sense.” Does it really make sense to you that the label would know after two weeks that the song wasn’t going to fly? Seriously, what kind of feedback could they have gotten back in that short amount of time? Especially when Adam had never actually performed the song anywhere?

Rihanna’s team pulled ‘Russian Roulette’  when it failed to achieve her usual success.

Russian Roulette reached #9 on Billboard’s charts so I’m not sure what failure you’re talking about. Also Rihanna performed it on X Factor on 11/29/09, on SNL on 12/5/09 and on Germany’s Popstars on 12/10/09 (seven days ago), so she hasn’t exactly retired it.

I don’t know what to tell you about that moderator/spokesperson over at AO. If the Daughtry fans and Cook fans report that he’s legit, well, who can argue with that, lol. Me personally? I take all anonymous “experts” on the internet with a huge grain of salt. Maybe you’re right about the RCA team being whacked out on blow and booze though. lol. Like I said, I’ve heard many complaints from Cook stans about their handling (or mishandling, i.e. lack of promotion) of Bar-ba-sol. I wasn’t around back then so I don’t know the particulars. Maybe they have a point. Or maybe the song just flopped.

Yeah I was reading tweets about that, poor Girl. And boy they really like to kiss on Kris. What a life from a year ago.

Weeklyspins ‘“ I remember the number ‘“ it was $395/month.

Holy frak! That sucks So, is there no way to look at weekly spins anymore? That was really valuable information! It has to be SOMEWHERE! Everything is somewhere on the interwebs.

ladymadonna
12/17/2009 at 10:43 pm

It’s possible that the RCA team is whacked out on booze and blow and hadn’t the slightest idea what they were doing, but that doesn’t bode well.

Bwah. But c’mon Kirsten, Occam’s Razor and all that’ ¦

FYE was worked to radio. It didn’t take off the way they expected. RCA pulled it and moved-on post-haste. Be thankful ‘“ a lot of artists don’t get that second chance. Radio flops happen. WWFM is doing just fine, which means that radio is open to playing Adam’s music. Again ‘“ a lot of artists are not that fortunate. All is well, yes?

I agree. In addition there is no harm in choosing a single that just did not work on radio. The most important thing is they acted quickly and replaced it with one that seems to be working on radio. Also FYE the single is not a total loss as the MV is liked and there is a good chance it will do well on the dance charts. It is bringing attention to the album and Adam. Lemonade from Lemons and all. FYE the single may still be big internationally. So I have a harder time calling it a flop. Just not a radio hit. IMHO

re: mediabase

the password probably expired because it was used by students for a college course and the semester or quarter is over. Maybe the same password will be re-activated if the course is held again next semester/quarter?

And a thousand of Adam’s FYE video for those that couldn’t afford it.

Who can’t afford the FYE music video? We’re talking 1.99. How can they afford an iPod to listen to it on or a computer with internet provider if they don’t even have 1.99? Seriously.

What a stupid waste of generosity. Now we have to listen to people saying that is the only reason it got to #1.

Maybe they have a point. Or maybe the song just flopped.

As I remember it, BBS was released to rock the same time CBTM was released, but was never pushed. Kristen or Ladymaddona could probably give the details, but if a song is not pushed by the label, there is no way it will get spins. Too bad as it was a good rock song. Sad that TPTB chose to ignore it. Therefore I would say the song did not flop. It wasn’t given a chance to do anything else.

And a thousand of Adam’s FYE video for those that couldn’t afford it.

Who can’t afford the FYE music video? We’re talking 1.99. How can they afford an iPod to listen to it on or a computer with internet provider if they don’t even have 1.99? Seriously.

What a stupid waste of generosity. Now we have to listen to people saying that is the only reason it got to #1.

This would have only accounted for the first day not 3-4 days later. All I think that generous lady did was help the video be visable for others to notice it and once they did more people purchased it beside it is #1 in Canada too and I don’t think she bought for anyone there.

Who can’t afford the FYE music video? We’re talking 1.99. How can they afford an iPod to listen to it on or a computer with internet provider if they don’t even have 1.99? Seriously.

Some student can’t. The iPods are already paid for, as for internet or the rest of the bills, that’s what your money goes for. 1.99 isn’t much, except that it’s not a necessity and when you have to watch your money, yes, even 1.99 matter. Or did you think that students are notorious for eating Ramen just for the great taste and not that it was on sale 12 for a dollar?

So yeah, when you don’t have a lot of money, spending even 2 dollars for a MV, especially when you don’t have to and can get it for free, is a luxury.

#49 WWFM
#79 FYE (song)

That is a huge jump for WWFM ‘” wasn’t it in the low 100′s prior to Adam going on SYTYCD last night?

I think it WWFM was at #124, so yeah, HUGE jump! I’m thinking FYE climbed about 20 spots.

As I remember it, BBS was released to rock the same time CBTM was released, but was never pushed.

Nobody could accuse me of being a Cook-stan (a cookie-stan, maybe). BBS was not pushed at all by the label. It was likely released as a single as a compromise with David as part of an agreement to release CBTM (I’m sure there are those in the Cook camp that wanted something other than CBTM. Certainly, many of his fans did).

Russian Roulette reached #9 on Billboard’s charts so I’m not sure what failure you’re talking about.

Rihanna usually does better than that. The song was getting negative feedback so they pulled support for it and went with her second single.

I take all anonymous ‘experts’  on the internet with a huge grain of salt.

rgmed is not anonymous though. He is a known entity.

Look, it’s true that we can dismiss every bit of evidence related to FYE because we cannot prove definitively with the internet that anything is true. I cannot even prove that the world is not flat using documentation on the internet because anybody could dismiss them as being fake and the experts as being unknown.

It is entirely possible that somebody has set forth an elaborate ruse in relation to FYE. Using a bunch of accounts, they have created a paper trail making it look like FYE is a flop when it is really pulling in SuBo type numbers. Those iTunes rankings we keep quoting? Pulled from a website generated by psuedo-random numbers. Who are bks and Brian Mansfield? What kind of freakin’ name is bks and why would anybody with real information be posting on a music fanboard? And what has Brian Mansfield ever done to be given a column in a major newspaper? That even sounds like a made-up name. It’s easy to fake up a web-site that looks like it is part of USA Today. Even those Mediabase pages look cheap and fake. And how CONVENIENT that the password for the main Mediabase charts suddenly stops working when Adam’s single starts doing well. Seriously! And that ladymaddona is clearly an sock-puppet account which is really me (I bet I fooled everybody last year during the Cook debates!). Any or all of this paragraph could be true or false and nobody would be able to prove either beyond a whisper of a doubt.

Personally, I think we have come to an end point in this debate. Facts are not allowed into evidence because they may be fake so I’m not really sure where we can go from here. Normal industry practices which are well documented in books (try reading that book rgmed recommends) are apparently irrelevant when it comes to RCA and 19M.

Disclaimer: I’m not saying that the OP is saying that FYE is a success. I’m just pointing out that if we do not allow evidence, a case could be made to ignore any and all data and if somebody wants to say that FYE really sold 7 million downloads, we wouldn’t be able to prove that it did not using the rules of evidence allowed in this debate. People, are of course, to debate any way they want within the rules of the blog. I’m just expressing why I don’t see the point.

And what has Brian Mansfield ever done to be given a column in a major newspaper? That even sounds like a made-up name. It’s easy to fake up a web-site that looks like it is part of USA Today. Even those Mediabase pages look cheap and fake. And how CONVENIENT that the password for the main Mediabase charts suddenly stops working when Adam’s single starts doing well. Seriously! And that ladymaddona is clearly an sock-puppet account which is really me

Brian Mansfield is an idol-bubble reporter. I could care less about what he thinks and even less about his biased reporting.

On the rest, I have no idea what you are talking about. I feel as if I fell DTRH. lol

Brian Mansfield is an idol-bubble reporter. I could care less about what he thinks and even less about his biased reporting.

I wasn’t refering to his opinions. I was referring to the numbers he posts each week. There are people out there that think they are fake (despite the fact that they line up with other leaks we get, press releases by labels and articles in BB)

#49 WWFM
#79 FYE (song)

That is a huge jump for WWFM ‘” wasn’t it in the low 100′s prior to Adam going on SYTYCD last night?

I think it WWFM was at #124, so yeah, HUGE jump! I’m thinking FYE climbed about 20 spots.

Oh wow, WWFM is doing really well! (and haha at the change in perspective– I still remember the days when TFM slipping out of the top 10 was a bad thing). SYTYCD is awesome! Didn’t Kris also perform on the show? Did he have a similar jump? And did the people who performed on the same day as Adam– JLo and Leona–also get that jump?

Russian Roulette reached #9 on Billboard’s charts so I’m not sure what failure you’re talking about.

Rihanna usually does better than that. The song was getting negative feedback so they pulled support for it and went with her second single.

Thanks for saying what I keep trying to explain about Russian Roulette so clearly and concisely. The standards of “success” and “failure” are different for different artists based on their past levels of success.

I feel as if I fell DTRH. lol

So do I.

Yea! Adam was named as one of EW’s Entertainers of the Year! Good for him. Go Adam!!!

Adam just tweeted and tweeted to himself. People are having fun about it on twitter.

I just watched Allison on Jimmy Kimmel. Oh.My.She.Killed.It.In.A.Good.Way!!
Way to go, girl. It was high energy, and the band looked… CRAZY!

I wasn’t refering to his opinions. I was referring to the numbers he posts each week. There are people out there that think they are fake (despite the fact that they line up with other leaks we get, press releases by labels and articles in BB)

Wow, I missed that. I would think that would be pretty easy to prove if the numbers are accessable other places. The criticism I have read about Brian’s numbers is that sometimes the information posted with the numbers is incomplete or unclear. For example, when he posted the total number of singles sold by Kris and Adam he left out important caveats about the numbers. Brian later had to clarify that he only had numbers for post season sales. If he knew that was the case but left that information out in his original post, then it does either seem like it was lazy reporting, or he was trying to give the reader the impression that Kris had sold more singles than Adam and therefore was more successful. Which, by the way, could very well be true, but no one knows for sure since we don’t have the number of singles sold during the season.

The other confusion I recall was with the download numbers for the FYE single. Even Brian thought the numbers were for a partial week. The FYE single did have kind of a wonky roll out on ITUNES. But I don’t think anyone questioned Brian’s numbers, but rather, we were all just as confused as he was.

In regards to Cook’s BBS, I really am surprised the label wasn’t behind it as it is a good song. That must have been frustrating for Cook.

Kirsten: *slow dramatic clap* on your post of 12:28am.

Oh the irony!!!!

Y’know how some people have been freaking about Kris and his family urging people to vote for Little Rock for the Kradison concert?

Yeah, well look what Adam tweeted tonight

ADAMLAMBERT

#Vote for RYan Rock my Town! I’d love to perform in NYC! http://bit.ly/4wGCLI

Edit: WHOA SISTA Dial it back…way back

Not sure where to post this link, or if it has been posted already’ ¦BUT, this is a video of Adam with JoJo from LA radio station.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U34EFnt1Ddk

This is my fave Adam look- simply handsome-simple hair, simple liner.

LOVE the short interview!! SELL that album, boy! I ordered 2 CDs today off of Amazon, one for each auto. I already had the downloaded album on my ipod, from preoder. I know I could have burned one, but price was right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm5UeHZ_baY

link to radio interview, too

This is my fave Adam look- simply handsome-simple hair, simple liner.

I love clean faced Adam, simple black clothing, but dude that hair! it’s total hat hair, it was so flattened and sticking out goofily in like one part. I know that look. Total hat hair, I’m calling it now.

nyc

Adommy is even stupider than Kradam in terms of romantic interest.

Nope, I LIKE it and ontd_ai does too!They are going wild over any little interaction. It’s all fun.

Kradam is over.

“Kradam is dead. Adommy is what it’s all about!”

Saw photos of Tommy on twitter. His face is absolutely gorgeous! He photographs a very different look closeup than on tv appearances.

Nope, I LIKE it and ontd_ai does too!They are going wild over any little interaction. It’s all fun.

Kradam is over.

ontd_ai they still go crazy over every bit of Kradam, even making it up when it doesn’t exist. Which the non-existing part is the same as with Tommy.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, sads about the Mediabase thing, but maybe it’s for the best. It’ll be like being spoiler-free! Yeah, but I don’t actually do that so I don’t know how people actually do that! But I’m looking for silver linings on what has been a day of much grrrrrr for me, so yeah, I’m reaching at this point.

Video of Kris’s Charlotte, NC performance last night is up:

Here is “Can’t Stay Away”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujifA9yZ-Hc

My observations:

1. Kris looks hot as hell
2. That white T-shirt should be illegal
3. Man boobs
4. Try to survive once you’ve hit the 3:31 mark on that video.

And “Before We Come Undone” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNm56XDukRs

Personally, I think we have come to an end point in this debate. Facts are not allowed into evidence because they may be fake so I’m not really sure where we can go from here. Normal industry practices which are well documented in books (try reading that book rgmed recommends) are apparently irrelevant when it comes to RCA and 19M.

But are we really talking about facts?

Here’s the thing, I think I (inadvertently) started this by saying something about how I hoped that Allison had the chance to make up from failed single like Adam did. And I do think FYE failed for any number of reasons. Who knows, who cares, why bother?

That being said, the argument that supposition based on things posted on AO, a site of utter fail, but by purported mods, isn’t a great source to me. A better source was the Billboard article, but it was before the single was released, so maybe plans into the future, sure, actual execution? we have no real insight into. And what is typically done in the industry is also cool and valid. But unless any of us ARE in RCA and/or 19 or are actual PDs who had interactions with them about FYE specifically, than the rest is actually conjecture and supposition.

For me, at least, there are both issues of sources (how much they can/should be trusted) as well as logic. And I have to say this as well, logic isn’t the same as soundness with an argument. You need logic for an argument to be sound, but you don’t need soundness for an argument to be logical. Put that in your De Morgan and smoke it, ha! sorry, Logic flashbacks.

So while I personally think that FYE just didn’t work as a first single for the radio for what and/or any number of reasons, I also can see it is not simply a case of hearing hoofbeats and thinking horses, because the foundation of those things is too suppositional and yes, in a way that can be logical. And not just DTRH (which as a song, rawks, btw)

And I really need to go to sleep. My horrible day, which included losing hours long culled data; forgetting my wallet; and being locked out of my house; must at least have any last thoughts of Disjunction being expunged from my brain to make up for it.

Here is ‘The Truth’  video from the Charlotte, NC performance yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZw4jeVbsh4

The drums are a bit loud, but that is to be expected, since the video was taken in pretty close proximity to the stage. I personally think that there wasn’t a need for three guitars; I wish Cale would’ve played the keyboard on this one, because the piano parts really add to the song on the album. But this is the first time they have played it live; I think they will learn from it next time and possibly have Kris’s mic turned up louder to rise above the drums, or have Cale on keyboard to balance out the guitar. Still, I’m happy I get to see this song performed for the first time!

Adommy is even stupider than Kradam in terms of romantic interest. That is a totally p.r. driven ‘friendship’ 

I’d say they’re equally stupid. As are all imaginary relationships made up on the internet.

Wow, I missed that. I would think that would be pretty easy to prove if the numbers are accessable other places.

People have actually asked me to go and post on Idol Chatter that their numbers are wrong. That so-and-so at Idol Chatter are biased, reporting made up numbers and are trying to make their favourite look bad. I’ve had to politely inform them that we source our data from other sites (we have no primary source) and Idol Chatter is one of them (and just this week, I was accused of bias for not reporting numbers that were not available from any of the usual sources).

Sure, Brian and his predecessor sometimes make calculation errors and typos (I do too), but they get their data from Soundscan. Then, they earn their paycheque by writing opinions and some people aren’t going to like them.

A better source was the Billboard article, but it was before the single was released, so maybe plans into the future, sure, actual execution?

Which BB article?

The HDD article was also dismissed because (paraphrasing) there was too much information, it sounded like typical label speak and it may be from a PR person that might not know anything. The OP is entirely free to dismiss any and all articles, but I have to admit I don’t see how I can find any article that would satisfy. Anything could be “standard blather from some low level PR person who knew squat”.

We’ve stated our opinions and articles may contain false information. Sounds like the debate can go no further. That’s all I’m saying.

Adommy is even stupider than Kradam in terms of romantic interest.

Is it just me, or does Adommy sound like a virus? Perhaps I’ve read too many Michael Crichton novels while at the gym.

To quote wiki:

The Andromeda Strain (1969), by Michael Crichton, is a techno-thriller novel documenting the efforts of a team of scientists investigating a deadly extraterrestrial microorganism that rapidly and fatally clots human blood while, in other people, inducing insanity that mostly ended in the insane people committing suicide or murder-suicide.

The Adommy Strain (2009) is a blog phenomena demonstrating the efforts of slash fans in relation to a highly infectious-personality having extraterrestrial that rapidly and terminally clouds human brains while, in other people, inducing insanity that mostly ended in the insane people writing fiction or creating photochops.

Is it just me, or does Adommy sound like a virus? Perhaps I’ve read too many Michael Crichton novels while at the gym.

Actually, to me is sounds like an injury you get while working out at the gym. … “I had to go to the physical therapist after my terrible Adommy strain.”

Neither is a good image.

Actually, to me is sounds like an injury you get while working out at the gym. ‘ ¦ ‘I had to go to the physical therapist after my terrible Adommy strain.’ 

LOL.

BBS [Bar-ba-sol] was not pushed at all by the label.

Sounds familiar.

Kristen or Ladymaddona could probably give the details

I doubt it, unless they work for RCA/19.

It was likely released as a single as a compromise with David as part of an agreement to release CBTM

And you know this, how? Link please.

but if a song is not pushed by the label, there is no way it will get spins.

Sounds familiar. But of course we’re sure there was all this behind-the-scenes activity going on, because we can assume that, so apparently it was pushed. Just as FYE was pushed (or so some people are saying).

Too bad as it was a good rock song.

Yes, a lot of folks think FYE is a good song too.

Sad that TPTB chose to ignore it.

Sounds familiar.

It is entirely possible that somebody has set forth an elaborate ruse in relation to FYE. Using a bunch of accounts, they have created a paper trail making it look like FYE is a flop when it is really pulling in SuBo type numbers.

Yes, I’m guessing the same thing happened with Bar-ba-sol. After all, we’re talking about RCA/19 in both cases. Same accountants probably.

Therefore I would say the song did not flop.

But, Bar-ba-sol never charted. Nevermind. Someone has a theory about how it actually pulled in Subo type numbers. See above.

It [Bar-ba-sol] wasn’t given a chance to do anything else.

Now this really sounds familiar.

Disclaimer: I never said FYE was a success (not sure how anyone meandered off on that tangent). In terms of empirical, reported data, it wasn’t. Of course, neither was Bar-ba-sol. The issue is whether or not FYE was pushed by the label. Based on the two week timeframe before they switched to WWFM and the lack of any visible support (i.e. radio gigs, performances), I say it wasn’t. That’s an assumption based on facts. You have said that FYE was pushed by the label because that is “normal industry practice” that is “well documented in books” but you have no personal knowledge. In other words you assume that “normal” behind-the-scenes stuff went to. That’s an assumption (that it was pushed) based on an assumption (behind-the-scenes activity). Yet, you also assert that Bar-ba-sol “was not pushed at all by the label.” Your words. Why not? What about well documented, normal industry practice? Unless you have personal knowledge or can point to a statment by DC or his label that they decided not to “work” the song, why assume it wasn’t pushed? Based on your logic, one would have to conclude that Bar-ba-sol was pushed and it flopped.

Disclaimer 2: I liked David Cook on the show (voted for him). Not as big a fan of his new stuff, but I still really like his voice. As a person, I think he’s awesome.

Based on your logic, one would have to conclude that Bar-ba-sol was pushed and it flopped.

I totally disagree. BBS didn’t have the AMA’s (as bad as that was). As far as I know, it was never sung publically on any TV appearance. So it appears to me they were trying (in some way) to push FYE. BBS, not so much. Now we are going to beat a dead horse on which song flopped. Bottom line RCA/19 screwed up both DC & AL on BBS & FYE.

nyc

Kradam is still way more popular on ontd_ai than adommy. The Z-100 Jingle Ball picture of Adam and Kris just talking sparked far more comments than anything Adam/Tommy does. Not saying that people don’t like adommy, because some obviously do. But it only came about because Lambry broke up and Adam and Kris don’t publicly interact a lot these days.

But as I say, aside from on a frienship level, both Kradam and Adommy are rather stupid. Why people want Adam to hook up with straight guys makes no sense to me.

Anyway, moving away from that topic — good to see the videos of Kris last night. Hopefully MJ will start a separate thread for them. Fun to see Kris perform BWCU and The Truth live, although he and the band are obviously mor comfortable on the songs they’ve been doing for awhile now, like Heartless mashup, CSA, AWM, LLWD.

Tonight is Kris’ last JingleBall appearance. In fact, aside from the Adam’s Leno appearance on Monday, this is pretty much it for the Kradison trio in terms of appearances until NYE. Whatever will there be to talk about over the next couple weeks? Or until they actually go off on their own tours? Can’t say I jhave much interest at all in AI9…

Kris band is just not working for me. They sound very disjoint, most apparent on LLWD. I like the lead guitarist (Andrew?). Whenever he is playing there is more focus and energy and they sound more together. Overall they give me a sloppy impression.

Disclaimer: I never said FYE was a success (not sure how anyone meandered off on that tangent). In terms of empirical, reported data, it wasn’t. Of course, neither was Bar-ba-sol. The issue is whether or not FYE was pushed by the label. Based on the two week timeframe before they switched to WWFM and the lack of any visible support (i.e. radio gigs, performances), I say it wasn’t. That’s an assumption based on facts. You have said that FYE was pushed by the label because that is ‘normal industry practice’  that is ‘well documented in books’  but you have no personal knowledge. In other words you assume that ‘normal’  behind-the-scenes stuff went to. That’s an assumption (that it was pushed) based on an assumption (behind-the-scenes activity). Yet, you also assert that Bar-ba-sol ‘was not pushed at all by the label.’  Your words. Why not? What about well documented, normal industry practice? Unless you have personal knowledge or can point to a statment by DC or his label that they decided not to ‘work’  the song, why assume it wasn’t pushed? Based on your logic, one would have to conclude that Bar-ba-sol was pushed and it flopped.

I’ll take another crack at this, I guess.

I’m not sure that follows at all. It equates Bar-Ba-Sol’s timing and release with FYE’s, which really wasn’t the case at all. For one, there is something qualitatively different about that. FYE was released about a full month prior to WWFM, and WWFM, if you might recall, was pushed after FYE didn’t succeed after a highly televised appearance. Bar-Ba-Sol was released to rock radio, as congruent with CBTM, which was being pushed to the format to which DC was more familiar. There really is a qualitative difference involved there, and I don’t need to name check my RCA roommate to make that point.

Because, seriously, what could I possibly say to leap the hurdle of “personal knowledge”? That’s the kind of proof people demand when they need assurance that space aliens aren’t taking information from their heads. It has little place in an argument over the music industry.

I don’t know why it is so important for some people to insist on characterizing FYE as a “flop” and others to somehow prove that it was never supported by RCA or intended to be a “real” single or whatever. It is what it is. Unless RCA or 19 puts out a press release or Adam talks about it we will never know what the strategy was or who wanted what etc. etc. But it doesn’t really matter — they moved on very quickly to WWFM (which is a heck of a lot easier to sing/perform on all of the talk shows) and it is getting a very good response from both radio and the public. As for FYE, obviously a lot of people like it enough to buy it (its sold 130K downloads) and MTV, Vh1 and the public seem to really like the video, so it does seem to have some sort of a life, just not on the radio, and is out there advertising the album in its own little way.

And you know this, how? Link please.

CBTM and BBS were sent for adds at the same time, but CBTM was the one that got the video and all the television/promo appearances. I can’t be bothered to find a link to prove this partly because, as any prolog programmer knows, one cannot prove a negative (how could I possibly prove that BBS didn’t get a video or television/promo appearance? I would just leave myself open to accusations that I did not try hard enough to find the video that RCA created for BBS. Any links I posted could be fake, the results of shoddy reporting or the blather of low level PR persons who knew squat).

Yes, I’m guessing the same thing happened with Bar-ba-sol. After all, we’re talking about RCA/19 in both cases. Same accountants probably

BBS did flop, but since it was not given a video or have any promo appearances (yes, I know I cannot prove that so people are free to believe that it was sung on the Grammys and the video for it featured a budget that rivals “Avatar” in cost), I believe that it was a relatively cheap flop.

The issue is whether or not FYE was pushed by the label. Based on the two week timeframe before they switched to WWFM and the lack of any visible support (i.e. radio gigs, performances), I say it wasn’t.

I can provide links that FYE was the subject of at least one radio interview that Adam had with Ryan Seacrest, that a video was produced for FYE, that FYE was performed on the AMAs, that the making of the FYE video was featured on entertainment news programs and that the FYE performance rehearsals were also featured in news articles and entertainment programs. I do not believe that any of those were fake, but I acknowledge that somebody has the right to doubt that they are true. To me, the (possibly fake) articles and appearances indicate that there was visible support and at least one performance (and if articles post-AMAs are to be believed, the back-up dancers went to NY to perform it again at what turned out to be a cancelled GMA concert so there were future performances of FYE planeed).

To me, the difference between the PR for BBS/CBTM and BBS/FYE seems quite clear.

When a song is released on Top 40 radio and never charts at #40, it is commonly referred to as a flop. That doesn’t mean it’s not a good song.
It’s just a word that people use whe a song doesn’t achieve its intennded goal. You’d be amazed at how many songs even by huge artists are flops by that definition.

The upside is LLWD and WWFM can be reffered to as Top 40 hits because they made it to the Top 40.

I think Top 20 on that chart is a real hit, top 10 is a big hit, top 5 is a smash and Top 1 a big, smash hit.

I think it is too early to say how FYE will do. With the MV doing well on ITUNES it may be a hit overseas. I’m not sure we can compare BBS and FYE because FYE does have a MV and Adam performed it on the AMAs as far as public exposure to the song. However, just because Cook didn’t perform it live or make a MV doesn’t mean the label wasn’t pushing it behind the scenes. Perhaps RCA thought Cook’s popularity could catapult BBS? Who knows.

As far as people asking Kirsten to go and post on Idol Chatter because Brian’s numbers are wrong, well there are always going to be extreme fans for all idols who will be in denial, etc. No way around that one. I’m sure a few Kris’s fans had the same issues because of the ITUNES pass.

I think Brian can avoid some criticism if he is clear about the data surrounding the numbers. Brian has his opinion, and pretty much people who read Idol Chatter know who his favorites are so they know what to expect when they read it. I only have issues with him data/numbers are not presented clearly. Now that WWFM is selling better than it did last week, I will be curious to see how Brian spins this.

As far as the critcism that Adam’s numbers for FYE downloads was left out because of bias on this week’s Monday Morning Media base, all that is needed to avoid that complaint is the sentence “FYE was downloaded, but those numbers have not been leaked to me. FYE was charting higher on ITUNES than WWFM so it is probably safe to assume the numbers will be higher than WWFM when they come in.” If an explanation is put in with the posted numbers, I suspect much of the drama will be avoided.

Tonight is Kris’ last JingleBall appearance. In fact, aside from the Adam’s Leno appearance on Monday, this is pretty much it for the Kradison trio in terms of appearances until NYE.

Kris will be on the Disney Christmas show on the 25th.

Yes in the Billboard issue that has Kris/Adam on the cover didn’t someone from RCA say they were pushing FYE?

As for BBS, it was never performed live, it didn’t have a single cover, it didn’t have a video made, it didn’t chart yet. If RCA considered a single it was the worst marketing ever.

Sorry for all the typos. I can’t edit. I’m not that familiar with other genres but Top 40 is pretty clear.

Sorry for all the typos. I can’t edit.

Ditto on the editing.

As far as the critcism that Adam’s numbers for FYE downloads was left out because of bias on this week’s Monday Morning Media base, all that is needed to avoid that complaint is the sentence ‘FYE was downloaded, but those numbers have not been leaked to me. FYE was charting higher on ITUNES than WWFM so it is probably safe to assume the numbers will be higher than WWFM when they come in.’ 

Well, I could write that, but it would take me a considerable amount of time to go through the top 1000 songs on iTunes and figure out the relative placements for every single Idol song and write a disclaimer for each one. Because, I sure don’t want to be accused of bias for doing that for one Idol and not every freakin’ single one of the Idol contestants there have ever been.

Or maybe people could just not make accusations about others. Or at least read the blog for a few weeks before accusing others. There is barely a week that goes by when I don’t explain that the initial leaks come from somebody who publishes the top 50, debut songs in the top 200 or songs that had large gains in the Top 200. Usually, I post that and still get people demanding why I didn’t report on so-and-so.

Google is your friend. If you don’t think I’m posting the numbers, find them elsewhere and post them on the blog. I even request that people do that on every numbers thread.

As for BBS, it was never performed live, it didn’t have a single cover, it didn’t have a video made, it didn’t chart yet. If RCA considered a single it was the worst marketing ever.

Yeah, just to chime in on that very, very briefly … all they did for Bar-Ba-Sol was release it to rock radio as far as I know. There was no video, it was never performed on TV, there was no single cover, there was no advertising for it. So if FYE wasn’t a single and wasn’t pushed, BBS was like… a negative single negatively pushed, ha!

I’m a big Kristen fan and I thank her for all she does, same with Lady Madonna and FolkFan and all the numbers crunchers.

ITA. Many thanks to you, Kirsten, for being a big part in raising the discourse on the blog by a lot (understatement, but I’ve never been the mushy type), in terms sheer information about the practical nature of the business. It does make it a unique space on the net.

I think people should realize that access to numbers is not easy. It costs $ to subscribe to Mediabase/Billboard etc. to see any number outside the published Top 50 charts.

People use Pulse Music Boards and Idol Chatter because there really is no other way to get them. Idol fans are lucky to have that. Ditto for Kirsten who really is a great source of info.

Back in the day I had major arguments with Cook fans about his singles but I give it up to LadyMadonna and FolkFan. They are really very savvy with numbers and have lots of knowledge. I’m happy they’re still around sharing it.

As for BBS, it was never performed live, it didn’t have a single cover, it didn’t have a video made, it didn’t chart yet. If RCA considered a single it was the worst marketing ever.

Exactly. It didn’t have any of the benefits of a single, so it doesn’t count, to me. I think the evidence shows that FYE was to be the first single, but didn’t go over well, and the next single was quickly brought out. That’s how I read it but others may not. Now I hope Allison’s people will bring out a new single for her as soon as it’s feasible.

She’s only giving you the information that’s being reported on what she can find. I think she’s doing a great job,

Amen to all this.

And it’s a lot of work. It’s a wonder she doesn’t get an Adommy strain from her efforts, lol.

Kirsten
Is it just me, or does Adommy sound like a virus? Perhaps I’ve read too many Michael Crichton novels while at the gym.

To quote wiki:

The Andromeda Strain (1969), by Michael Crichton, is a techno-thriller novel documenting the efforts of a team of scientists investigating a deadly extraterrestrial microorganism that rapidly and fatally clots human blood while, in other people, inducing insanity that mostly ended in the insane people committing suicide or murder-suicide.

The Adommy Strain (2009) is a blog phenomena demonstrating the efforts of slash fans in relation to a highly infectious-personality having extraterrestrial that rapidly and terminally clouds human brains while, in other people, inducing insanity that mostly ended in the insane people writing fiction or creating photochops.

LOL Love you Kirsten!

My take on FYE and whether it was a single pushed by the lable (and granted I haven’t spent much time thinking about it) is that based on all the information available to us (debut on Seacrest’s show, adds date, HDD blurb (really, it’s an industry ad for all intents and purposes), Billboard article mention, performance on AMA (Adam’s most high profile appearance at the time), huge media focus on FYE prior to the performance, some spins on major radio stations, the mod on AO’s postings, $$ spent on music video, plan to perform on GMA which was eventually cancelled), the simplest and most straightforward explanation is that RCA was treating FYE as the first single and was pushing it on radio but they just did not get the feedback they wanted from the song and so decided to switch gears. The more convoluted, ‘spinny’ answer, IMO, is the one where the reason for the weird serial release of FYE quickly followed by WWFM is that RCA wants to highlight one song on his most high profile performance but then actually push another song as his radio single, but still spend huge $$ on a music video for the non-single, because they feel like trying a totally different singles strategy for Adam — basically throwing out the rulebook as far as he is concerned because their market testing and media feedback has been so positive that they just might have a Black Swan in their hands. It’s kinda reachy, no?

Thanks for all the kind words!

As Kirsten’s sockpuppet (craftily dressed in Cook fan garb) let me just chime in here and say that while it did not have a music video nor any high-profile promo performances (which would have been unusual for a dual release to a non-mainstream format anyway – see Daughtry, Nickelback, etc.), I do believe Bar-Ba-Sol was worked to Active and Mainstream Rock radio by RCA’s radio promo team. It got adds and it got spins – just not enough to chart. Therefore I would consider it a flop (albeit a relatively inexpensive and low-profile one) on Rock, just like FYE was a flop on CHR and HAC. In my mind any song that gets an adds date but fails to take off for any of the myriad reasons that a song might not succeed is a “flop.” Argue semantics all you want but the end result is the same. One song dies, a different one (hopefully) thrives.

Back in the day I had major arguments with Cook fans about his singles but I give it up to LadyMadonna and FolkFan. They are really very savvy with numbers and have lots of knowledge. I’m happy they’re still around sharing it.

Yep. And kudos to Kristen too, whose contribution to the blog is invaluable.

Now, for a reminder. I deleted the post that Lucy quoted. It had some nice things to say about Kirsten, which I agree with of course, but the fingerwagging and lecturing is a no no.

As Kirsten’s sockpuppet (craftily dressed in Cook fan garb) let me just chime in here and say that while it did not have a music video nor any high-profile promo performances (which would have been unusual for a dual release to a non-mainstream format anyway ‘“ see Daughtry, Nickelback, etc.), I do believe Bar-Ba-Sol was worked to Active and Mainstream Rock radio by RCA. It got adds and it got spins ‘“ just not enough to chart. Therefore I would consider it a flop (albeit a relatively inexpensive and low-profile one) on Rock, just like FYE was a flop on CHR and HAC. In my mind any song that gets an adds date but fails to take off for any of the myriad reasons that a song might not succeed is a ‘flop.’  Argue semantics all you want but the end result is the same. One song dies, a different one (hopefully) thrives.

Oh, true. I think it’s semantics to argue that Bar-Ba-Sol wasn’t a flop; it was, for sure. Qualitatively, though, a flop that was part of a dual push to different formats and a flop that was a debut are different entities, nor can they be considered to have similar implications, so to equate the two is… strange, to say the least.

FYE was released about a full month prior to WWFM

Wrong. FYE was released for sale on 10/30 and WWFM was released as a separate download on 11/12 or 11/13, both dates coming before the album dropped. Almost simultaneously – hmmm, sounds similar to CBTM and BBS.

WWFM, if you might recall, was pushed after FYE didn’t succeed after a highly televised appearance

FYE was performed on at the AMA’s on 11/22 and WWFM was performed on CBS on 11/25. That’s 3 days. How does one measure “success” after only 3 days?

CBTM and BBS were sent for adds at the same time, but CBTM was the one that got the video and all the television/promo appearances.

I’ll grant you that BBS never got a video, but asserting that CBTM got all the television/promo appearances and thereby deducing that BBS received none is a trickier issue. What level of promo are we talking about? Calling a radio station and being interviewed? You’re right. You can’t prove a negative. But saying that doesn’t make your statement true either. And what about the all important behind-the-scenes activity? Are you saying RCA/19 never “worked” BBS, never made calls, never followed all those well documented, normal industry practices? Why would you assume they wouldn’t? Your post ignores this issue completely.

I don’t know why it is so important for some people to insist on characterizing FYE as a ‘flop’  and others to somehow prove that it was never supported by RCA or intended to be a ‘real’  single or whatever.

I’m just looking for logical consistency. To say that RCA pushed FYE yet failed to push Bar-ba-sol is inconsistent, especially when these conclusions are based on things no one has any personal knowledge about (i.e. assumptions about behind-the-scenes activites that people selectively apply to one situation but not the other). I also think FYE will prove to be a hit, if not here in the US, then overseas. Just my prediction.

Qualitatively, though, a flop that was part of a dual push to different formats and a flop that was a debut are different entities, nor can they be considered to have similar implications, so to equate the two is’ ¦ strange, to say the least.

Oh, no doubt. The implications are certainly very different. And maybe that’s the reason I have no problems calling BBS a flop on Rock – I always saw it as a very low-risk experiment, with little chance to succeed but potentially high upside if it did. Certainly a different proposition than a much-hyped lead single.

But honestly I don’t see what the gnashing of teeth is really about – FYE flopped, but if WWFM ultimately does well nobody in the mainstream will ever know the difference. Adam’s career-path is fluid – I see it as an extremely strong sign of good-faith that the label moved-on so quickly. And I see no reason to go zebra-hunting when it’s obviously just horses out there.

Bah, the blog ate one of my posts.

But honestly I don’t see what the gnashing of teeth is really about ‘“ FYE flopped, but if WWFM ultimately does well nobody in the mainstream will ever know the difference. Adam’s career-path is fluid ‘“ I see it as an extremely strong sign of good-faith that the label moved-on so quickly. And I see no reason to go zebra-hunting when it’s obviously just horses out there.

Don’t either, really. But I just find it weird that the two are being equated as “logically consistent” in their implications as to label involvement. They aren’t.

Wrong. FYE was released for sale on 10/30 and WWFM was released as a separate download on 11/12 or 11/13, both dates coming before the album dropped. Almost simultaneously ‘“ hmmm, sounds similar to CBTM and BBS.

Looking for commercial releases and add dates here. (Look, if you’re just going simply by official releases, I can argue Carrie Underwood had two to three flop singles off her album already. It’s not empirically what we’re looking for here) I know that FYE was 11/3, actually. I don’t have the info in front of me here (so someone might need to correct me), but WWFM became an official release something like 11/30. So about a month.

I’ll grant you that BBS never got a video, but asserting that CBTM got all the television/promo appearances and thereby deducing that BBS received none is a trickier issue. What level of promo are we talking about? Calling a radio station and being interviewed? You’re right. You can’t prove a negative. But saying that doesn’t make your statement true either. And what about the all important behind-the-scenes activity? Are you saying RCA/19 never ‘worked’  BBS, never made calls, never followed all those well documented, normal industry practices? Why would you assume they wouldn’t? Your post ignores this issue completely.

BBS may have gotten some. That’s not to qualitatively equate them, though. Can you say it was pushed as a single and then flopped? Sure. Can you say it was released as a co-or-lead single and then flopped? Harder claim. It’s much easier to claim, based off of the obvious practices, that FYE was the lead single. See Kirsten’s posts.

I’m just looking for logical consistency. To say that RCA pushed FYE yet failed to push Bar-ba-sol is inconsistent, especially when these conclusions are based on things no one has any personal knowledge about (i.e. assumptions about behind-the-scenes activites that people selectively apply to one situation but not the other). I also think FYE will prove to be a hit, if not here in the US, then overseas. Just my prediction.

Well, no. The practice of floating different singles to different formats at the same time is a qualitatively different move than releasing two singles to the same format, one after the other, in aims and goals. The former is meant to probe around to see what horizons an artist might effectively broach. The latter is meant to cover up a release that didn’t quite all pan out.

The method of putting out FYE followed the basic patterns for putting out a leading single. BBS? Not really. Again, prior posts, based off of reasonably observable information. Invoking “personal knowledge” isn’t worthwhile.

But as to your prediction? Well, who’s to say? I’m not into fortune telling, except after a few too many sugary drinks and with a deck of cards around. But that’s beside the point.

I won’t pile onto the debate other than to agree that if a song gets an add date, it is a single. And then there may be conversation as to how it did and why it succeeded or failed in getting airplay. It does seem clear that there is a lot of background work done by labels to get airplay, and I wish that we had a source for better inside info on that.

Otherwise, thanks for the kind words, and for a place to discuss number nerdy and music business stuff. To me, it’s a lot of fun to get to discuss all of these issues.

Mark, here’s the question:

Did RCA/19 do anything behind-the-scenes to “push” Bar-ba-sol, i.e. contacting radio stations, market research, the typical “industry practices” etc.?

Possible answers are “yes, I assume they did,” “no, I assume they didn’t” or “I don’t know.”

If the answer is “yes,” then it would appear the response was negative because there seems to have been limited visible support of the song (or at least that’s what people are saying).

If the answer is “no,” then why not?

If the answer is “I don’t know,” then it’s fair to say we don’t about FYE either.

Otherwise, thanks for the kind words, and for a place to discuss number nerdy and music business stuff. To me, it’s a lot of fun to get to discuss all of these issues.

Ditto what FolkFan said. Both with regards to the kudos from other posters (thanks guys!), and for the reasons I enjoy debating this stuff. It’s no secret that I follow Cook pretty closely, but I am interested in the way all the Idols are marketed, the impact the franchise has within the industry and pop-culture as a whole, and the numbers that result. I appreciate the different perspectives other posters bring to the table, even if we may disagree in the final interpretation.

Ditto what FolkFan said. Both with regards to the kudos from other posters (thanks guys!), and for the reasons I enjoy debating this stuff. It’s no secret that I follow Cook pretty closely, but I am interested in the way all the Idols are marketed, the impact the franchise has within the industry and pop-culture as a whole, and the numbers that result

You make no bones about who your favorite is, yet your analysis isn’t all about spin spin spinning the numbers to cast your fav in the most positive light. You are interested in the big picture (i.e. other idols) I appreciate that.

Aw, thanks mj. Right back ‘atcha. You walk the most tenuous tightrope of all, and I appreciate the way you balance the demands of your readers with a larger goal of providing equitable coverage of an ever-evolving cultural phenomenon, and how you compliment objective reporting with your own personal commentary. So thank you, as always.

I feel like we should all join hands and sing Kumbaya now.