American Idol Headlines for 05/30/09

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Adam Lambert’s Mother Talks Sex and Contracts

Mum’s the word for American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert’s mother until he’s ready to talkà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ and word is, he’s finally ready.

“I would rather not answer until it comes out,” Leila Lambert said in a phone interview with E! News regarding Adam’s reported upcoming announcement to Rolling Stone that he is indeed gay.

But that’s not the real shocker. Check out what she has to say about the behind-the-scenes antics of the Idol camp…

Leila says she also signed a contract with American Idol and is not allowed to discuss her sonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s personal life anyway without their permission.

“We signed a contract with Idol and unless it has been set up by them, I’m not allowed to answer,” says Leila.

Eonline

Kris Allen on side-mouth singing, lip-synching, and calling Danny a ‘jerk’

On speculation that he and Adam Lambert painted their nails as a campaign to get a Kradam finale. (i.e. at the exclusion of Danny Gokey)
That’s not what we were saying. This is what we were saying: There was this tabloid thing that came out about me and Adam, about how we don’t get along because I’m this conservative kid from Arkansas and he’s this L.A. liberal guy. Which, I could be nothing less than conservative. I’m just from Arkansas. And they were like, “He’s cranky because he misses his wife and Adam’s nail polish is all over the place and they can’t get along.” And we were like, “That’s so stupid. That’s the stupidest thing.” We just didn’t want people to think that we didn’t get along. Because we’re really great, great friends.

On calling Gokey a “jerk” on Larry King Live last Friday, in response to Gokey saying he had picked Allen to win.
That was a joke. Seriously, we’re all really good friends and we joke around with each other so much. It just came out. He’s like my brother as well. We’ve become so close. We’re around each other so much, we just joke around a lot. I hope people didn’t read it differently. I’m sure the Danny haters will. [Slips into a mean, angry voice] “Kris hates Danny!” It’s so weird that everyone hangs on to every word you say. But I’m not gonna change. I’m not gonna not joke around with Danny Gokey.

Entertainment Weekly

‘Idolatry’: Danny Gokey on the scream, the controversial photo, and the performance that made him ‘angry’

Here it is folks (and sorry for the delay): Idolatry’s hotly anticipated, five-part interview with Danny Gokey. With apologies to fans of the profoundly awkward, neither Kristen Baldwin, nor her alter ego Kristen With Glasses, participated in this sit-down chat. Idolatry’s commentary episodes may be brutally scathing — a place where EW staffers and I can vent our visceral feelings about American Idol — but if a contestant is game enough to pay us a visit, we’d never go out of our way to make him or her feel unwelcome or uncomfortable. In fact, the goal of these interview segments is to be as unfiltered as possible, but just as important, to give you a better sense of each and every Idol finalist — as I think we’ve seen all season, the best portions of contestants’ personalities often seem to end up on Fox’s editing-room floors. And so it was in that spirit we approached our conversation with Danny.

Entertainment Weekly

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“Idol” Winner Kris Allen: No Regrets

(CBS) It’s been called the biggest upset in “American Idol” history — last week’s win by Kris Allen. And the modest 23-year-old Arkansas native seemed most surprised of all.

“Are you the best singer out there?” asked “American Idol” judge Kara DioGuardi during Allen’s audition.

“You know, there’s probably people that are better than me,” he said humbly.

At first, his humility had the judges questioning his star power.

“Your modesty is actually putting me off a little bit,” said “Idol” judge Simon Cowell.

But as the season progressed, Allen used his versatility to turn from anonymity to stardom.

CBS News

HEY MICKEY!

American Idol champ Kris Allen checks out the view on the parade route alongside new pal Mickey Mouse during a celebratory ride Friday through the Walt Disney World theme park in Lake Buena Vista, Fla.

People

American Idol Kris Allen comes to Disneyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Hollywood Studios

I was one of the screaming fans at the parade today at Disneyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Hollywood Studios for American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s latest winner Kris Allen. My daughter was loving every minute of it. She is a big Kris Allen fan.

disunplugged.com

‘American Idol’ Kris Allen Heads to Disney World

One of the first things that Kris Allen, the new “American Idol,” did after winning the title was look into a TV camera and shout, “I’m going to Disney World!”

This week, he made good on his promise, joining Mickey Mouse for a victory parade and serenading Mickey’s gal pal, Minnie, prior to joining a gala celebration at the theme park’s “American Idol Experience” attraction.

Insider

Adam Lambert Reveals his Favorite Eyeliner

The Idol Runnerup answers reader questions about makeup dreams duets those Queen rumors and more.

People

Adam Lambert’s dance around his sexuality frustrates the blogosphere

“American Idol” may have ended last Wednesday with the coronation of Kris Allen, but the “Idol” news cycle continues. And since one controversy wasn’t enough this week, the specious voting story (that is, whether AT&T unfairly tilted the final vote toward Allen) has been replaced by an increasingly loud call for Adam Lambert to come out as gay.

Toward the beginning of the “Idol” season, photos of Lambert kissing another man and appearing in drag leaked onto the Internet. But without any declarations from Lambert himself, the mainstream media found itself confusedly trying to describe his sexuality in a way that does not happen with seemingly straight celebrities. As Frank Rich wrote in his column Sunday, “Lambert was ‘widely assumed to be gay’ (Entertainment Weekly), ‘seemingly gay’ (The Times) and ‘flam-bam-boyantly queeny’ (Rolling Stone).”

LA Times

Ryan Seacrest Likes Butts

“Idol” sweetheart Danny Gokey was on 103.7 KISS FM in Milwaukee yapping about all the important things from “American Idol” — like who fondles whom and whether Ryan Seacrest is gay. Both are groundbreaking and invigorating questions that the world must know.

When asked if Seacrest tried to touch his butt during the show Danny declared, “every day!”

At first I laughed it off … then I thought, is he telling one of those secret truths. You know what I’m talking about — it’s like when someone asks, “who ate the last bag of jalapeno flavored Cheetos” and you go “Yeah, it was me … not!” Knowing good and well your hands are orange and your mouth is spicy.

NY Post

Danny Gokey Chats It Up With OK!

While the country welcomed American Idol’s third place finisher Danny Gokey into their living rooms and lives, here at OK! magazine we were lucky to welcome the Milwaukee native into our very own offices, complete with à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ you guessed it! à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ cupcakes from Sprinkles.

During Danny’s visit, where he enjoyed the delicious treats and posed for pictures with his faithful fans here, he dished about how his life has changed since Idol, his personal music idol, the loss of his beloved wife, Sophia, and the foundation he dedicated to her memory.

OK Magazine

‘American Idol’ finalist Matt Giraud visits Grand Rapids to thank fans, signs autographs

Fans of “American Idol” finalist Matt Giraud turned out Friday afternoon by the dozens to see their West Michigan idol.

Giraud, of Kalamazoo, stopped by Celebration Cinema North to sign autographs and thank fans for their support.

“It feels great (to see everyone),” Giraud said between hugs and snapshots with fans. “I love meeting the people that really voted and put me through (on the show), and I’m really honored to come back and be welcomed so nicely.”

Mlive

After à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Idol,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Gleeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢-ful Upset on the Charts

What makes American Idol such a pop-hit-generating juggernaut? The show-closing singles its winners are forced to sing are uniformly awful, so there must be something about Idol itself that ensures hits.

Is it the fact that ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a cannily crafted competition that gives pop fans a rooting interest in budding acts with compelling backstories? Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been said that Idol is the closest thing we Americans have to Eurovision, the annual nation-vs.-nation song smackdown, which has been generating pop hits reliably since the middle of the last century.

Or is it the simple fact that Idol is on TV, period? Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m starting to think thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s it, looking at this weekà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Billboard Hot 100.

Idolator

Majority of Viewers Want Recount of American Idol Voting for Season 8 Winner

– 50% have less favorable view of AT&T after learning of controversial texting parties –

FLEMINGTON, N.J., May 29 /PRNewswire/ — A new national media study among 300 viewers of a news clip featuring the recent controversy surrounding the American Idol voting process revealed that the majority of respondents (59%) indicated that there should be a recount of the voting for the American Idol finale show.

The study was conducted by the MediaCurves.com(R) website on May 28, to obtain Americans’ perceptions of the controversy involving Fox’s American Idol show and Fox’s sponsor AT&T, who hosted “texting parties” in Arkansas which were thought to give contestant, Kris Allen, an edge in the competition. To view agreement curves and detailed results go to: www.mediacurves.com.

The study also revealed that half of participants (50%) have a less favorable view of the AT&T brand after this incident was made public. In addition, a large majority (87%) reported that “power texting” (texting a vote multiple times for the same contestant) can influence the voting system for American Idol and similar competitions.

PR Newswire

Michael Johns Not Holding Back On First Post-’Idol’ Album

While the American Idol post-season promo drive for Summer 2009 has kicked into gear for Adam Lambert and Kris Allen, Season 7′s Michael Johns will be resurfacing this summer with his first post-Idol album entitled “Hold Back My Heart.” Due June 23 via TRP Records, the twelve song set features six songs co-written by Johns and Dave Cobb. Diane Warren and British singer-songwriter James Morrison also contribute lyrics to the set.

Although Johns finished 8th in the 2008 edition of American Idol, his early exit actually worked in his benefit. He immediately went into the studio and started to lay down the initial tracks for what would become “Hold Back My Heart.”

Billboard

“Idol” castoff Michael Johns to release album

NEW YORK (Billboard) – While the “American Idol” post-season promo drive has kicked into gear for winner Kris Allen and runner-up Adam Lambert, Season 7′s Michael Johns will be resurfacing this summer with his first post-”Idol” album.

“Hold Back My Heart,” due June 23 from TRP Records, is a 12-song set featuring six songs co-written by Johns and Dave Cobb. Diane Warren and British singer-songwriter James Morrison also contributed lyrics to the set.

Johns finished eighth in the 2008 edition of “American Idol,” but his early exit worked to his benefit. He went straight into the studio and started to lay down the tracks for what would become “Hold Back My Heart.”

Reuters

Summer turns into the silly season for TV networks

Serious things have already happened. Lives were saved on “ER,” the world was saved on “24,” murders were solved everywhere. Now it’s the summer silly season.

On Monday (June 1), NBC debuts a four-week, 15-episode run of “I’m a Celebrity … Get Me Out of Here!”

Ten people will be dumped into the Costa Rican jungle; they’ll compete in survival games, with viewers eventually choosing a “King of the Jungle.” Contestants, of course, have deemed themselves jungle-worthy:

Not all contestants flash that much bravado. Sanjaya Malakar, says he had plenty of doubts, but was persuaded. “Stephen Baldwin said it’s an opportunity to go out and be yourself and have no filter.”

Malakar had pondered the obstacles. He would be the youngest contestant at 19, barely one-third of Dickinson (54). “A lot of people have had life experiences I haven’t had.”

The Northwestern

Paris Bennett: Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m Motivated by Motherhood

Songstress Paris Bennett has learned a lot since her days on American Idol, but despite adding motherhood to her resume when she welcomed daughter Egypt, now 7 months, the 20-year-old skipped out on the lessons of hard labor! After feeling the baby moving around in her belly followed by some minor pain, the expectant mama went in early to her doctorà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s appointment à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  only to find out that she was already 8 cm dilated. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I called my mom and the family rushed to the hospital,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  she tells momlogic.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I got to the hospital around 3:00 p.m. and Miss Egypt came at 3:36 p.m.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Celebrity Baby Blog

Jordin Sparks

She won American Idol in 2007, scored a transatlantic smash with ‘No Air’ last year, and her debut album’s shifted a nifty 1.5 million copies around the world. Now Jordin Sparks is back with ‘Battlefield’, a ten tonne tank of a pop song that’s sure to prove unstoppable this summer. Will her new album – due in July – be just as bombastic? We hooked up with the mighty-lunged belter to find out.

When did you first hear ‘Battlefield’?
“It kinda came up by fluke. I was in the studio working on another song with Wayne Wilkins, one of the writers of ‘Battlefield’, and he said to me, ‘I have a song I wanna play you but I don’t know if I should’. I was like, ‘Go for it – the worst that could happen is I don’t like it’. He played the song and honestly my jaw hit the floor. I didn’t wanna ask him on the spot if I could have the song, so I went to my A&R and said, ‘This song’s so phenomenal, you have to ask him if it’s available’. About a week later I got a call saying I was going to record it.”

Digital Spy

From à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ to Stardom

BACKSTAGE at the Brooks Atkinson Theater, Constantine Maroulis inspected the contents of his dressing-room minifridge: a liter of Coke, one bottle of Champagne and two cans of, yes, Rockstar Energy Drink.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just like my apartment,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  said Mr. Maroulis, 33, the leading man in the musical à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Rock of Agesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and a former à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  contender, before exiting into a scrum of female fans.

As Drew in à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Rock of Ages,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Mr. Maroulis plays a bartender who wails big-hair hits from the 1980à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s while struggling to become famous. As a singer and actor with an album, a devoted (albeit modest) following, and a Tony nomination for best performance by a leading actor in a musical, Mr. Maroulis is faultlessly polite, self-effacing and even melancholy.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Oh, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll never win,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  he said. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure it will go to the guys from à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Billy Elliot.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

NY Times

Britain’s Got Talent: Simon Cowell overrules producers to send 10-year-old girl through

Mr Cowell’s intervention in last night’s semi-final came after 10-year-old Hollie Steel, from Accrington, became overcome by nerves halfway through her performance of Edelweiss and stopped singing.

Hollie, distraught, asked to be allowed to start again. But presenter Anthony McPartlin, on instructions from the production gallery, told her that there was no time.

As McPartlin and his co-host Declan Donnelly tried to console the girl, Cowell interrupted, saying: “Hollie, I don’t care how we find it, but we will find the time somewhere.”

Telegraph.co.uk

Susan Boyle Enters Safe House on Eve of BGT Finale

There’s just one more day until Susan Boyle can justify her global celebrityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ and live up to expectations as the bookmakers’ favoriteà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ by winning the finale of Britain’s Got Talent. No pressure, though.

After a tension-filled week that saw the 48-year-old Scotà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ unflatteringly dubbed “Ramboyle” and the “Hairy Angel” by her pals in the British pressà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ unleash an expletive-laced rant at reporters (and maybe a judge or two), reportedly threaten to quit the reality hit and be publicly defended by the otherwise caustic Piers Morgan, there’s yet one more twist to Boyle’s tale.

The church volunteer turned worldwide phenomenon has been placed in a safe house in advance of tomorrow’s show.

“I want nothing more than to stay and sing in the Britain’s Got Talent final,” Boyle said yesterday. “I’ve spent weeks rehearsingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ it’s all I’ve been thinking about. I’m not going to throw away my big chance now.”

EOnline

Susan Boyle Is Your ‘Ultimate Idol’

And the “Ultimate Idol” is . . . Susan Boyle!

More than 57,000 of you voted in a FOXNews.com viewer poll, and a whopping 71 percent of you say Boyle, the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Britainà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Got Talentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  sensation, has the pipes to pummel “American Idol” winner Kris Allen.

And unlike “American Idol,” we’re giving you the exact tally: 40,966 votes for Boyle and 16,898 votes for Allen.

Despite Boyle’s foul-mouthed rant earlier this week and rumors of another impending meltdown, her fans remain steadfast in their support of the single Scot with the voice of an angel.

FOX News

 
  • elw

    I’ve never watched AI before this year (only watched ’cause of Adam). I didn’t realize how controlled everything is…I hope Adam doesn’t end up thier ‘puppet’. He is the most talented singer to come along YEARS, he will become a megastar if he’s allowed to do things his way. As for AI, I’ll not be watching again…they’ve lost all credibility in my book.

  • KrisAllen1

    I dont think Adam will be a AI puppet.He made it clear that whatever his album will be like 19/RCA is fine with it.I dont think Adam will let people control him.
    He’s very fierce and I think he knows when to speak up for himself.

  • http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com Buderschnookie

    A gag order on Adam/Adam’s family in no way surprises me- this was speculated on long ago.
    IMO 19 is way ahead of us and has had the entire script for the Adam story ready for quite some time, Rolling Stone article contract included.

    As regards Danny’s Idolatry- he said he wasn’t aware of what the Grand Ole Opry was? He said it at the 2:54 mark in part 2.
    Didn’t I read that he drove to Nashville on the weekends to pursue his music career? How do you pursue music in Nashville and not know what the Grand Ole Opry is?

    “In the audience they thought my scream was great.”
    Sure, Danny.

  • Sunn

    On Gokey’s Idolatry interview:

    Danny looked so pressured in the interview. It was almost as he were a school kid desperately to explain himself to the headmaster. I think he was fully aware of the criticism he received from EW’s Idolatry and was trying desperately to win their love and respect. The whole interview was so pleading, so grasping at forgiveness that it was actually uncomfortable to watch.
    What’s odd is that this the first Slezak interview in which no light was shed on the real personality of the interviewee. All I saw of Gokey was a defensive, nervous and many a time incoherent “I’m not guilty” plea. Slezak was firm in not allowing Gokey to get away with contradictory answers, but he was understanding and gentle at the same time. Nevertheless, Danny just couldn’t seem to breath for the desperate want of acceptance.

    I watched all the way through and didn’t smile once.

  • wjmtv

    Whoa, Danny is soooooo serious. Man.

    I don’t know how many favors this interview will do him. While I feel like I got some insight into how his mind works, it also felt like one long excuse. I don’t know if that’s the result of the questions he was asked–it could be–or if excuses are all he gave the editing guys to work with, but that’s sure what it came out sounding like.

    I was never impressed with him vocally, but I thought “Rain or Shine” was lovely and was interested to hear that he thought that was his “moment.” And he may or may not know much about current music, but he has some very specific ideas about what he wants to do with his life and for that I give him props. He wants to make the world a better place, and no one can fault him for that. I wish him luck and gotta say, he looks pretty cute in that outfit. :smile2_tb:

  • skylight1219

    I’m not an Adam fan, but, I’m sick and tired of everyone badgering him, his friends and now his family about his sexual preference. Why is it anyone’s business that they think they have to “out” someone? Has this become the national past time in America?

    I think if I were Adam, I’d answer with, tell me your sexual preference. I’d love to hear the responses and how uncomfortable it would make the person asking. I bet they’d get all indignant and huffy and wonder why its anyone’s business.

  • brextra

    I’m only part of the way through the Idolatry, but I am really starting to understand why Danny doesn’t realize how he comes off to those who don’t believe the same things that he does.

    I grew up in a tiny bit of a Christian bubble, but holy cow…..Danny’s bubble had impenetrable walls.

  • KrisAllen1

    I think after watching the Danny idolatry its clear what he wants to do.He doesnt want to make music.He wants to create a new world or a new
    culture which i find strange.He kept on saying he was for the children?
    I got so confused.He lost me on many levels.Did he also compare
    basketball to his music? It was strange.I felt awakard while watching the interview.

    Danny also knew about the hate from everyone there.It was so clear that he was trying to win Slezak over.Poor Slezak looked like he was bored to death and smiled when he was reading that comment from the Daughty producer lol.
    I think Danny talked to much.It took him 5 mins to answer each question.

    I also think Danny and Kris dont get along? I may be wrong.He looked slighty annoyed when he was explaining the duet.I also didnt get the vibe that he was close to Adam.He was looking away from the camera and looked spaced out when answering those questions.

  • lovecert

    Oh god. The Danny interview is excruciating. Kinda like Lil’s.

  • lovethecheesyshow

    On the Idols having to lip-synch for many of the early group performances.
    That whole lip-synch thing, we were so upset about it. They were like, “It’s hard to blend the 10 voices” or whatever. After a while, we complained enough and Adam’s pretty good at taking a stand. We’d be like, “Yeah, Adam! Go, Adam!” He would always lead the pack. He was the first one to be bold and say something [to the producers].

    yay! Go, Adam! stand up for yourself and others! now I can stop worrying about TPTB controling too much of your music career! :clap_tb:

  • jpfan

    Kris called Danny his brother. And he bashed the “Danny haters.” Just read the paragraph in the EW article posted in today’s headlines.

    It’s like no one can get off the Kris hates Danny train even when the evidence is right in front of them. As a matter of fact, it appears that Danny and the others get along great.

    I thought Danny came off as musically uneducated, naive, abit clueness but as a sincere, nice guy in the interview. He’s not a polished speaker or performer.

    At this point if Danny cured cancer, it would be “He’s using that cancer cure to get people to like him.” Fortunately, he seems to be immune to the negativity. As far as winning Slezak over, who cares. S8 is over.

  • baxter

    Did anyone else, while watching Danny on Idolatry interview, want to smack him on the back of the head and yell…SPIT.IT.OUT. I think his brain works at 100mph but his mouth is at 20mph. And how at his age could he not be more aware of music. Does the guy not own a radio????

    Mr Slezak…My Boo…..I love you man….but unless you were planning on playing 18 holes immediatly after this interview, those pants need to be taken out back and burned.

  • gingerly

    skylight1219
    May 30th, 2009 at 10:50 am
    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not an Adam fan, but, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sick and tired of everyone badgering him, his friends and now his family about his sexual preference. Why is it anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s business that they think they have to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“outà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  someone? Has this become the national past time in America?

    I think if I were Adam, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d answer with, tell me your sexual preference. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d love to hear the responses and how uncomfortable it would make the person asking. I bet theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d get all indignant and huffy and wonder why its anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s business

    I know you mean well, but it really really pisses me off when people refer to sexual orientation as a preference. It’s no more a preference than how tall you are. I’d prefer to be tall, but damnit I’m only 5’2″. I can change that about as easily as Adam can change his sexual orientation. /end rant and sorry.

  • jammasta

    Ugh. Chance of recount = 0%, right? I really really hope so, it’ll just be a low blow to Kris Allen and his fans if they recounted. But I also read that recount story elsewhere. But I heard something like it happened with Ruben and Clay, and a recount never happened.

    I also hate how AI seems to be controlling Adam’s personal life. If I were gay I’d just say it even if a producer told me not to.

    On a lighter note, I still think Kris’s EW interview is amazing.

  • stelladallas

    Danny said himself that he is an intense(high-strung) person. But I think he means well, and is just naive. I thought he was complementary to Kris and Adam, and stayed true to everything those two have been saying about thinking people made too much out of the culture wars, etc.

    If he seemed nervous, pressured, or whatever; what would we expect after he was BLASTED mercilessly by “Idolatry” (in particular by Kristin Baldwin) all season. I thought he did well in this interview all things considering.

    Every season fans lament that they want AI to have “green” contestants rather than those with lots of experience or those who are semi-professional. Well, Danny fit the bill more than I knew. The fact that he didn’t even know much of the music had to have been tough.

    His niche obviously seems to be Christian Contemporary/Gospel music. He could still infuse his soulful sound with some latin vibe here and there that he is wanting.

    In closing, (LOL), Slezak’s interviews remind me that like them or not, the idol contestants are all only human.

  • mac

    Nice San Diego article about Adam and his childhood.

    Concerning Danny, I can’t understand how someone that wants to be a musician can be so clueless about what music exists around him. It seems if you were interested in music, you would expose yourself to listening to all types of styles and artists. After all, it’s your passion. That music would then influence you and mold you to become the artist you want to be. Danny seems to live in a weird bubble.

  • Victoria

    Did anyone else, while watching Danny on Idolatry interview, want to smack him in the back of the head and yellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦SPIT.IT.OUT. I think his brain works at 100mph but his mouth is at 20mph.

    One of the things that annoys me the most is when I know what someone is about to say but can’t spit it out so the conversation can move on. So yes, I felt exactly the same way.

    That said, I didn’t find anything particularly bad about Danny’s interview. Some people are just naive about music, and I don’t have a problem with that. Hopefully, he can take some time and listent to the radio to boost his musical knowledge. Also, I can understand why he was defensive. After all, he on Idolatry, the show that made “Put the Go in Gokey!” its mission this season. AWKWARD.

  • KrisAllen1

    I thought they re-counted already? Because fox has said that Kris is the winner.I dont know what the media has againest him that they really
    didnt want him to win lol.I didnt know Kris was that bad that people just
    cant get OVER it and just accept him as the winner.You would think that
    he was horriable with the way the media goes on and on about how
    Adam should have it.They both derserved to be in the finals and they
    both should of won.

  • anijsch

    It is a mystery for me why Danny thinks telling everyone that he has no clue about popular music, will help him to build a career in the music industry.

  • lovethecheesyshow

    I tried so hard, but I just can’t finish watching those Idolatry videos! Danny was soooo serious.

    lighten up, dude, move on and look forward. you don’t have to explain everything at length. just trying too hard.

    show us your funny, adorable side, at least a little bit, please.

  • zoya

    Idolatry was just boring IMO. It was to be expected that with all the hate toward Danny that was coming from Slezak, he would have tried not to be too mean and made the whole interview almost exclusively about music. But even not going to deep into the pity votes or the godly love, Danny didn’t make any new fans with it.

  • Tess

    Why in the world do I put myself through the torture of reading Danny interviews, and watching Idolotry, and even looking at a Danny picture. I should do what I did with Lil, just ignore it and never read, watch, or listen.

    But there is something so compelling about watching this dismal trainwreck (who in the hell talks about a life insurance policy to a national publication…this man doesn’t have a frigin clue about anything). I just feel so bad that so many deserving AI contestants got left in the dust to make room for this dismal failure. I am so irritated with the American public, and this, to me should be the story of 2009…not Adam’s life style, or the text votes, or any other stupid controversy.

    For Danny to make it as far as he did really tells me that there are a lot of AI viewers that have absolutely no concept of what the winner is given in terms of a career boost. No wonder that Idols have a hard time even selling a million units…when the majority of those who watch the show are treating the whole thing as a “very bad joke”.

    Well, America, you almost ended up having to watch the Idiot that is Danny represent the “best” of what the American music scene has to offer. I am so thankful that sanity finally took over and that Kris and Adam were the last two standing. Hopefully, after the tour Danny will just fade into the obscurity that was his existance…I don’t think I could stand to see his name pop up anywhere. And, I wish people would quit saying his place is in Christian Contemporary Music…they don’t need to be saddled with him either.

  • lovecert

    Did anyone else, while watching Danny on Idolatry interview, want to smack him on the back of the head and yellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦SPIT.IT.OUT. I think his brain works at 100mph but his mouth is at 20mph. And how at his age could he not be more aware of music. Does the guy not own a radio????

    You know if he had the charm of George Clooney, I might not have spaced out during his irrelevant analogies.

  • weese

    Danny wants to be understood. He has difficulty explaining what he is feeling and thinking and this is probably why there has been so much misunderstanding surrounding him. I can’t dis the guy anymore. I admire the fact he gave Slezak an interview at all. I think he needs a big hug.

  • cay

    Recount – Basic problem is that with the voting the way it’s set up, many people never could register a vote for who they wanted. So, we’ll never know how many people actually wanted either to win. We can only know how many people with time on their hand could power vote the most.

    I think Kris is a fine and worthy winner. Adam wasn’t going to win – he was too flamboyant, non-christian, and people were looking for anyone “anti-Adam” to vote for because they were jealous of his pimping. But, there is absolutely no way that there was under 100 million votes when the week before there were 88 million. Everyone I talked to on the East Coast could not get a vote in for Adam until the last half hour and easily voted the 2 hours the previous week when there was 88 million. Votes were lost or eliminated or thrown out by producers choice. Dial Idol is never that far off and they said the phones were so out of wack on the East Coast and it was all busy signals. DI also said Adam got more West Coast votes.

    I don’t want a revote or recount. It makes zero difference who wins. Kris is a nice sweet kid and Adam will be fine. But I understand why people are skeptical and annoyed at the Idol voting system. With it’s power voting techniques used by all the cougars and grandmas to the texting scandals it should be enough to get Idol to change it’s system. It’s clearly flawed. Adam has so many older tweens, stars, young professionals who voted only a few times. They really need to have a set number of votes so that more people will vote.

    I hate the control Idol has over the contestants. I hope to hear an in depth interview from adam’s mom at some point. She is such a loving and beautiful mother and I’d love to hear what she has to say,

  • suebrody

    Danny Gokey was absolutely the wrong singer for Idol. He didn’t know the songs, he didn’t know how to arrange them, he had trouble singing them, he didn’t understand or was not interested in the judges’ comments or critiques, and he did NOT grow as an artist; if anything, he backpedaled. I can’t believe the judges actually considered him a front-runner. I hope he goes back to the church and does wonderful things with his foundation and gets the heck out of the recording industry. This is NOT where he belongs. I think Slezak did as much as he could during this interview–there was NO Danny bashing AT ALL–and it still amounted to exactly nothing.

    And I can’t wait for the Adam controversy to be over. Let him sing, goddammit, and leave him alone!

  • weareallinnocent

    Danny’s Idolatry interview emphasized what I already knew. Danny was outclassed in every way on AI this season.

    That said, I do appreciate what Danny said about Adam. He sounded sincere to me. If he learned and grew into that empathy from his stint on the show, exposure to unfair negativity himself, as well as his one-on-one experience with Adam (and Kris, etc) then I think our being subjected to his lesser performance abilities for too long may have been worth it in the end. At least, that’s my hope.

  • Ellie2

    Most. Boring. Idolatry. Interview. EVER! It made watching paint dry seem exciting in comparison. And I know it’s unfair, but Danny’s inability to finish a sentence without a million “ums,” and long pauses, makes him appear not too bright. Every time he opens his mouth to say something involving more than two words he comes off as a few cans short of a six-pack.

  • mr

    gingerly
    May 30th, 2009 at 11:10 am
    skylight1219
    May 30th, 2009 at 10:50 am
    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not an Adam fan, but, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sick and tired of everyone badgering him, his friends and now his family about his sexual preference. Why is it anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s business that they think they have to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“outà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  someone? Has this become the national past time in America?

    I think if I were Adam, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d answer with, tell me your sexual preference. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d love to hear the responses and how uncomfortable it would make the person asking. I bet theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d get all indignant and huffy and wonder why its anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s business

    I know you mean well, but it really really pisses me off when people refer to sexual orientation as a preference. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no more a preference than how tall you are. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d prefer to be tall, but damnit Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m only 5à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ²2à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ³. I can change that about as easily as Adam can change his sexual orientation. /end rant and sorry.

    If you look up Adam’s performance of “What’s going on” in the Upright Cabaret on youtube, you will hear him talking about kissing his co-actress in “Wicked” and saying that “although it’s not neccessarily my preference- it was still very nice”.
    So don’t get all worked up- it’s a figure of speech, and “preference” doesn’t mean that a person chooses it either, it just means that he/she prefers it. For instance- I prefer chocolate to vanilla. It isn’t my choice, it’s just my preference, LOL.
    Semantics…

  • ejw89109

    With reference to the “gag” order, that is typical with these shows. They run and have control of every aspect of a contestant as it may relate to the show. My hope is Adam Lambert makes a lot of money for his having to come out and admit his sexuality. He deserves it. If they want to know so badly Adam, make them pay !!

  • jmom376

    I also tried to watch Danny’s Idolatry interview and was only able to make it through 1 1/2 of them.. For some reason I was never drawn to his singing (however my husband was a fan). With the new format it took me a couple of episodes before I really found the person I wanted to support (Kris-I love his style of music). I like last year’s format so much better. It gave the producers less manipulation over the Top 10 and the contestants that we would be seeing at the concert.

    Also, something that I am noticing is that every single Kris article, youtube video, etc. out there has Adam fans that think it is there job to come in and overtake the comments section with negative things to say about him. Does this happen every year? It just seems very unclassy and in my opinion doe not put a favorable light on Adam (my second favorite of the season).

  • snuffles

    Poor Danny. More clueless than ever. That Idolatry interview was a CHORE to watch. He should look at it over and over again and maybe he’ll see what we see.

    I see a man who is NOT READY for the big time. His knowledge of music is SEVERELY limited (by his own admission). So much so that he really doesn’t have a clue what he wants to do musically. It’s clear the only thing he knows well is gospel music. And more specifically, singing in church – which is a million miles away from being a recording artist.

    On the one hand, he seems to know he has a LOT to learn; but at the same time he still believes that he can go full steam ahead on a recording career. I doubt people in the music industry are going to have the patience to watch him stumble around endlessly as he tries to figure it out.

    I hope he finds some good guidance. Because what he WANTS to do and what he’s CAPABLE of doing right now are worlds apart. He doesn’t seem to realize that yet.

  • fwtx

    I keep hoping Danny will do/say something in one of these interviews that will make me like him. However, his idolatry interview just reaffirmed my opinion that he lacks any sense of self awareness. Danny makes excuses the whole way through this interview about seemingly every aspect of being a contest on AI. How do you go on a pop music singing competition and not know songs? If he had ever watched past seasons of AI he should at least know some songs. Let’s face it – AI is known for driving songs into the ground. I wish Slezak would have pushed him on fighting with Allison over “Come Rain Come Shine” from Rat Pack Week. He admits in this interview that it has to be his way. Guess he expected Allison to cave again and be his duet partner the following week. This guy is a tool.

  • Aileen

    every single Kris article, youtube video, etc. out there has Adam fans that think it is there job to come in and overtake the comments section with negative things to say about him. Does this happen every year?

    I think it happens every year. Last year seemed worse, since Archie had a large number of very young fans who had quite a bit of time to spam YT videos and especially EW articles. This will never end, but will subside with time.

  • lovethecheesyshow

    absolutely right!
    gay people do NOT choose to be gay! it’s not a preference.
    Religion is far more a choice than sexuality.
    people are perfectly ok with different religious beliefs but are not ok with certain sexual orientation?
    just ridiculous!

    as for the vote, gosh, the press is still not over it already?! mad world!

    I cried hard when they announced the name, but Adam is so gracious, genuinely happy for Kris and appreciates he has made thus far. he made me want to be a better person and I’m really happy for Kris! Kradam ftw!

  • gingerly

    Well, MR, I was actually already over it and said my apology. But preference does actually mean you have a choice. Adam can’t choose to be heterosexual if he isn’t. He, like most gays and bisexuals, would probably have chosen to be heterosexual. Life is so much easier that way. I think your sexual orientation is something you come to grips with, and it’s getting easier (but not easy enough to do so) in this day and age, but I seriously doubt that anybody “prefers” to be somebody who doesn’t have equal rights and who is ostracized by so much of society. I know in my personal family situation, it took my siblings a hell of a long time to come to terms with it. Granted, I’m the youngest at 52 and these things weren’t hardly spoken of when we were young, but still, it’s never easy to be different than “the norm.”

    While Adam prefers to kiss men, sure he can kiss women exactly because his sexual “orientation” isn’t heterosexual. Talking about sexual preference implies a choice. I seriously doubt he has a choice in what gender appeals to him. I can’t see it as semantics at all. I see it, and I understand that many who say it don’t know what they are doing, as perpetuating the myth that it is indeed a choice…something that can be cured even

  • mistymtnhop

    For Danny to make it as far as he did really tells me that there are a lot of AI viewers that have absolutely no concept of what the winner is given in terms of a career boost.

    Paula, Randy, Kara, and even Simon felt that Danny’s singing was worthy of winning. They said so on more than one occasion.

    I voted for Danny because I like his voice. Period. I know, anecdotal evidence isn’t worth anything, but it is hard for me not to offer my own experience in counterpoint to what has become conventional wisdom.

    I don’t know if I’d want to be friends with Danny, but I don’t know that I would want to be friends with Billy Joel, either. I still enjoy his music. I like Danny’s voice–experience, personality, personal losses notwithstanding. I don’t think it is out of the realm of possibility that others do, as well.

  • agathe.hb

    I watched Danny’s interview and it seemed like two-day long….
    I tried to feel sorry for him, but it seemed to me that he pretends to be clueless to get away with things, and Slezak caught him a couple of times on just not telling the truth – like when he said that he was so serious about his singing and taking false notes and then that he laughed all night after Scream on….
    or when he said that he knew nothing about controversy, and then he started talking in-depth about the said controversy… just saying…

  • chrgi

    I’m still annoyed that Slezak and co. seem to be taking their sweet time with the Kris Idolatry. It had better be the best interview ever. Especially after Danny’s Idolatry which was all kinds of annoying.

    Re: Adam’s Mom, Not surprised. These contestants and their families really sell their souls to 19E once they sign that contract. I’m surprised that someone didn’t try to shut down Neil’s posting on internet forums (although he learned for himself that it’s not worth the trouble from overzealous fans).

    We’re still on textgate? Seriously? It’s a weird sort of cognitive dissonance to hear people say that second place is better because it means that Adam has more freedom and isn’t saddled with hokey coronation songs and Disney appearances, then have others campaigning to discredit Kris’s victory.

  • gingerly

    Weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re still on textgate? Seriously? Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a weird sort of cognitive dissonance to hear people say that second place is better because it means that Adam has more freedom and isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t saddled with hokey coronation songs and Disney appearances, then have others campaigning to discredit Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s victory.

    I don’t find it weird at all. It’s called spin. Everybody spins it the way they want to see it. It’s rather nice not to be so invested in anybody this season that I can’t just sit back and lol.

  • lovethecheesyshow

    jmom376 , I don’t like the format either. I think last year, the whole season totally went out of the control of TPTB. I remember at the end of season 7, Simon said something like, the format needs to change, because by the time a season ends, the viewers are too familiar with the contestants, bla bla bla…which is to say, it’s too difficult for TPTB to manipulate the results. Michael, Carly, Archie, Brooke…these early favorites and front-runners didn’t work out as they wanted. and I still think they were upset that Jason stayed longer than three of their early favorites.

    about the bad comments, I think it does happen every year. and sometimes far worse than this year, which I think Kradam bromance helped ease the tension a lot. otherwise, it would be way uglier. anyway, not all Adam fans are like that. a few fans make us all look bad. :)

  • deez

    In reference to the E!Online phone interview with Adam’s mom…where is it?
    It says she has some behind-the-scenes dish. I clicked the link but saw no actual interview.It’s possible that I’m just a moron, so….a little help, please????

  • lovethecheesyshow

    off the topic, can anyone log on Adamofficial or Krisallenofficial? is 19′s server crashed again?

  • TKat

    Recount – Basic problem is that with the voting the way ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s set up, many people never could register a vote for who they wanted. So, weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll never know how many people actually wanted either to win. We can only know how many people with time on their hand could power vote the most.

    Chance of recount = 0%, right? I really really hope so, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll just be a low blow to Kris Allen and his fans if they recounted. But I also read that recount story elsewhere. But I heard something like it happened with Ruben and Clay, and a recount never happened.

    I don’t expect to see a recount but I am hoping for AI Voting Reform. And since the majority of AI viewers agree, I think that AI might respond. You have to think that AT&T is pushing for change behind the scenes. Negative numbers like in the MediaCurves survey are very rare, but very bad for business.

    The Clay v. Ruben appeared to be solely one problem — lack of adequate phone line capacity which essentially meant that if your vote was more evenly distributed across the phone system, you won. AI responded by increasing phone capacity and then adding text messaging to solve this problem.

    There are more substantial issues with this year’s voting, a few examples:

    1. Employees of a sponsor and the company providing exclusive telcom voting services, AT&T, aided one contestant. And there initial statements of a few free phones, have now grown to at least 128 free phones, multiple events with training and free AT&T cell phone charging.

    2. There is now clear evidence that a small group of anti-gay guys used computers to send massive numbers of votes to Adam blocking his phone lines — these votes were designed to keep the line buzy for the longest possible time. This had two great benefits: Adam voters couldn’t get through and, if Telescope really does eliminate massive computer generated votes, these votes would be eliminated. This strategy has been written about in Operations Management articles for years, but there is not documented case of it being used before.

    3. New technology, one button redial Go phone to AI iPhone texting apps, make casting 50,000 votes from one cell phone in 4 hours possible.

    4. AT&T has many more subscribers in the South and Texas vs. the West Coast. I split my time between Mississippi and SoCal, and I can’t even use my AT&T phone in parts of SoCal. I am told that the same thing occurs across the West. (I doubt the my neighbors in Malibu give a F*** about AI anyway!

    Finally, Adam continues to be the favorite of more people in polls and consumer surveys. Look at the MediaCurves survy for example:

    Out of the two final contestants, who did you want to win the season 8 finale of American Idol?

    Total
    Kris Allen 20%
    Adam Lambert 34%
    No preference 46%

  • gingerly

    Finally, Adam continues to be the favorite of more people in polls and consumer surveys. Look at the MediaCurves survy for example:

    Out of the two final contestants, who did you want to win the season 8 finale of American Idol?

    Total
    Kris Allen 20%
    Adam Lambert 34%
    No preference 46%

    Maybe the no preference people voted for Kris. I know that’s how it worked for me. I listened to their 3 songs the last night and preferred Kris so I voted for him. I still don’t care much either way. I’ll likely not be buying either of their music but more see myself buying Kris’s.

  • http://www.myspace.com/rjveritas MrRJ

    Oh Baxter! Your pants comment just made me laugh and laugh. Also, if I saw somebody on the golf course in those pants I would still laugh….they were clown pants.

  • Jx223

    Kris called Danny his brother. And he bashed the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Danny haters.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Just read the paragraph in the EW article posted in todayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s headlines.

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s like no one can get off the Kris hates Danny train even when the evidence is right in front of them. As a matter of fact, it appears that Danny and the others get along great.

    I thought Danny came off as musically uneducated, naive, abit clueness but as a sincere, nice guy in the interview. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not a polished speaker or performer.

    At this point if Danny cured cancer, it would be à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s using that cancer cure to get people to like him.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Fortunately, he seems to be immune to the negativity. As far as winning Slezak over, who cares. S8 is over

    ITA. I think that Kris seemed annoyed when he was mocking the “Danny haters”. I think that he definitely reads the internet, along with Anoop, Adam and Danny who have definitely read it. And I think that it probably annoys him/frustrates to see people constantly bashing his friend. As well as misinterpreting things, like his comment on LKL.

    And I think that Danny is his friend. He called Danny his brother, and IMO, that’s not something someone says if they don’t really care about a person.

    He could have said that Danny was a decent guy and left it at that, but he mentioned how Danny is his brother “as well” like I think that he considers Adam. I think that all of the contestants get along decently.

    Even though some are probably closer to some than others. But I think that they all care about each other and have bonded in different ways.

    Also, I don’t think that Danny was trying to win over Michael Slezak. I think that he was just trying to get through the interview and that is one of the reasons why he was rambling so much.

    I think that he was uncomfortable being around Michael, especially after all of the really harsh things that Idolatry have said about him this season.

    He was a lot more comfortable in his other interviews(Regis and Kelly, Mike and Juliette, myfoxnewyork) in New York, and wasn’t rambling at all.

    I think that one of the biggest reasons if not the biggest reason that he did come off as awkward, is because he knows that Slezak doesn’t really like him.

  • wjmtv

    AT&T has many more subscribers in the South and Texas vs. the West Coast. I split my time between Mississippi and SoCal, and I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even use my AT&T phone in parts of SoCal. I am told that the same thing occurs across the West.

    This is my main problem with the AT&T exclusive text rights thing. The west coast is at a serious disadvantage. That’s not right. The show is still called “American” Idol, and unless they’re going to give the entire country equal opportunities, they need to change the name.

  • TKat

    “After à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Idol,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Gleeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢-ful Upset on the Charts” – contains the first really good analysis of the iTunes sales that I have seen. Finally, someone mentioned the effect of the anthology alblum sales on the singles chart performance. So yes, Kris did outsell David Cook in total iTunes $, and so did Adam. (And that is on top of much heavier sales during the AI season according to iTunes sources. I do wish they would release those numbers now that the season is over.)

    Gingerly, maybe your right. Maybe the “No preference” respondents were Kris voters, but since the survey was conducted after the final results were announced, would you still have said “No preference”?

    I also think that Adam’s pre-Top 3 show interview where he said he was interested in winning, just gettng exposure may have influenced some of his fans.

    BUT I really don’t care about who won AI8, but I am concerned about getting a better voting systems. I think it would result in a better show and better contestants in the final rounds. Also, I doubt that I will watch — and I will

  • jmom376

    I might be naive, but how is a survey of 300 people considered the majority of 20 million AI viewers?

    I think Kris slowly built steam and fans as the season progressed and really picked up votes when he continuely took songs that didn’t seem to be his style and made it completely his. Unfortunately, the judges continued with their preset agenda and it made it seem like Danny leaving was a huge upset (all about ratings). But based on the quick glimpse that we got of itune sales a couple of weeks before the finales, Kris’ songs were already outselling Danny’s. So in reality it was very likely Adam and Kris who were the favorites going into the finales.

    Thank you for the comments about last years fans. I really didn’t go out to the news articles on the finalist last year because my guy was knocked out earlier.

  • jonoave

    lovethecheesyshow May 30th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    off the topic, can anyone log on Adamofficial or Krisallenofficial? is 19à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s server crashed again?

    I can access krisallenofficial.com without any problems, not sure bout adam’s.

  • lovethecheesyshow

    thanks, jonoave , I can log on now. but minutes ago, neither was working. :)

  • listen

    Out of the two final contestants, who did you want to win the season 8 finale of American Idol?

    Total
    Kris Allen 20%
    Adam Lambert 34%
    No preference 46%

    Maybe the no preference people voted for Kris. I know thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how it worked for me. I listened to their 3 songs the last night and preferred Kris so I voted for him.

    If I had “no preference” I wouldn’t waste my time or energy voting at all. If you voted for Kris, then that means, by definition, you did have a preference, if just for that one night….

  • cookcricket

    Total
    Kris Allen 20%
    Adam Lambert 34%
    No preference 46%

    Maybe the no preference people voted for Kris. I know thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how it worked for me. I listened to their 3 songs the last night and preferred Kris so I voted for him. I still donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care much either way. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll likely not be buying either of their music but more see myself buying Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s.

    Also for me, I see these polls on various sites and generally ignore them. In addition, I truly had no preference though I am a huge fan of Kris’s music. To me it was more about Kris getting respect for what he did on the show, and his talent. However, in some peoples’ eyes this will never be the case, which is fine and which makes for a more interesting, diverse society.

    Having said that, I am so very happy for Kris’s win, and am impressed with how both Kris and Adam have handled post-idol. They are both awesome!

  • agathe.hb

    was it written someplace that Allison wanted the same song as Gokey?

  • Karen

    I just watched the Idolatry interview and I found Danny to be quite self-aware – admitting that he wants to be liked and that he let the opinions of others affect him, that he tends to overanalyze, that he’s very hard on himself, that he got “lazy” singing in church, that he still has a lot to learn, etc. I guess everyone has their own perception. Danny is definitely not a polished speaker and doesn’t seem able to let go and have fun during an interview (although, I’ve only watched a couple). Anyway, I like his voice and can’t even hate on him for taking the top 3 spot from my girl Allison. Good luck to all of them.

  • RemusL

    chrgi, after seeing Danny’s Idolatry interview, can you blame Slezak and EW for holding back Kris’ interview to be the season-ending instalment?

    I can’t say I enjoyed this interview like I enjoyed those of Adam, Allison, Matt and Anoop but I still found it very interesting, though I’m not sure how much of the real Danny he allowed us to see. Perhaps because he was so aware of how negatively Idolatry had portrayed him during the season, he didn’t seem able to be relaxed during the entire process.

    I wish him luck in his future endeavours and hope he has good people to advise him.

  • jpfan

    Whoever said that 19 had the RS roll out planned in advance has to right on the money. The fact that Lambert didn’t win, won’t play into this. Plus 19 “signed his mom” and she can’t share personal info. That’s just odd. I’m now starting to wonder if the EW cover wasn’t part of the plan as well. Everything about his coming out feels very planned in advance.

    I actually like the “green” kind of contestants that Danny represents because I like the “human interest” part of the show. I don’t need to see ten professionals out there. Considering his limited musical knowledge, I think Danny did very well going out third. I’m still surprised the judges pimped him over Kris or Allison but maybe he sounds great live.

  • madmike2276

    That Gokey interview was torture. I can’t believe how interminably boring he is. He needs a publicist or media advisor who can train him how to honestly and quickly answer questions. He went on and on and on and on and on, every single question was excruciatingly long winded. This is the first idolatry video where I literally could not wait for it to end.

  • joyous

    I am rather confused by the number of shocked fans at the Idol contracts. These have been in effect all along. Last year my friends daughter was one of the finalists and neither she nor any of their family, including her grandma, were allowed to discuss anything in relation to Idol. All information had to be filtered through the Idol machine. Leila Lambert is just following SOP.

  • snuffles

    onoave May 30th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    lovethecheesyshow May 30th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    off the topic, can anyone log on Adamofficial or Krisallenofficial? is 19à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s server crashed again?

    I can access krisallenofficial.com without any problems, not sure bout adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s.

    Adamofficial keeps crashing. It’s membership numbers have already cracked 15,000 (nearly 5x that of Kris’s site). The fans are posting like mad and apparently the site can’t handle the traffic. They obviously need to move it to a bigger server.

  • Tess

    Once upon a time someone posted the AI contract that all contestants must sign at the time they audition. I have never laughed so hard in my life because if basically allows 19 to take over your life for the rest of your life. It also puts restrictions on your families and what they can say. That is why David Archuleta’s Dad was never able to defend himself in the press when the backstage Father stuff was circulated.

    Contracts and Attorneys….two necessary evils of life, I guess.

    That is why you we never hear the true story of what life is like backstage at Idol. And I don’t think anyone will ever be able to write a tell-all book. Probably the only hints we ever get are on the web if an old contestant decides to participate under some type of internet anonimity.

  • lizland

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“After à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Idol,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Gleeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢-ful Upset on the Chartsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  – contains the first really good analysis of the iTunes sales that I have seen. Finally, someone mentioned the effect of the anthology alblum sales on the singles chart performance. So yes, Kris did outsell David Cook in total iTunes $, and so did Adam.

    I don’t see where the article said this. Wouldn’t he have had to move 40-50k albums to make up the difference?

    I do wish, though, that they would release total sales. And also put back up for sale prior year performances and studio versions since they were up for such a short time and I missed out on buying any.

  • cookcricket

    Karen May 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    I just watched the Idolatry interview and I found Danny to be quite self-aware – admitting that he wants to be liked and that he let the opinions of others affect him, that he tends to overanalyze, that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s very hard on himself, that he got à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“lazyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  singing in church, that he still has a lot to learn, etc. I guess everyone has their own perception. Danny is definitely not a polished speaker and doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem able to let go and have fun during an interview (although, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve only watched a couple). Anyway, I like his voice and canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even hate on him for taking the top 3 spot from my girl Allison. Good luck to all of them.

    Karen, I agree with the parts you pointed out in the interview. I also do believe he did grow musically on the show, it was difficult for me to see this during the show, but I believe he explained it pretty well. I also think he will continue to grow outside of the show.

    Danny, I doubt if you’ll read this but fwiw, it’s time to let go even more and lighten up if you can. You’ve been through a lot, but I hope you can thoroughly enjoy the tour. I wish you the best!

  • annabelina

    was it written someplace that Allison wanted the same song as Gokey?

    On the Larry King Live interview, Allison implied that she and Danny hat drew for “Come Rain Come Shine”. Danny won. She said she had “No beef” over it. :happy_tb:

  • aek

    I thought Danny seemed uncomfortable, especially at the beginning. Who wouldn’t be, in his situation? He’s only human. Personally, I think he came off as just that, very human.

    Someone said that he was trying to make excuses throughout, but I didn’t read it that way at all. I thought he was admitting that the competition was stiff, that he felt like he wasn’t quite as advanced in some areas as many of the other contestants, and so he admits that he struggled. He admits to “his weakness” of wanting to be liked. All of the hate had to be very hard for Danny…I personally think it’s sad how he has been dehumanized.

    I actually liked the way he responded to the Daughtry producer quote. It was the first he had heard it. I’m sure it stung, especially to have to digest it right there on camera. He at first said that he thought it was very bold of him to say that he wouldn’t be successful. But then went on to say, but “I will say this, he does have a point” that he didn’t necessarily establish himself musically on the show. I think it showed him to be introspective and willing to take critisism and try to analyze it and see where the other person is coming from. I thought that was mature.

    For the record, I do think that Danny seems to have “pie in the sky” dreams, and he doesn’t mind just putting them out there. I think (my opinion) that there’s a certain innocence there, as opposed to the caricature of this cold and calculating guy that many people projected on him.

    I like the way that Kris said that Danny “was his brother, as well’ (as Adam). I know many people won’t want to accept this because they are so wrapped up the the Kradam stuff. But it’s obvious that Kris does like Danny, and so do many of the other guys. Personally, I think that Danny has said very nice stuff about Adam. In this interview, he says that Adam tried to show that “change was okay.” He once again said that Adam was a very nice guy, as he has said often. He’s said time and again that Adam was a genuine guy and would genuinely “be happy for anyone” winning. Imo, those are pretty large compliments. I don’t get any sense whatsoever that Danny does not like Adam…AT ALL.

    Sure, he has his faults. But he seems like a nice guy to me. It seems that some people would not be satisfied with Danny unless he came on and said. “Okay, you all are right. I suck as a singer, performer, and a person. I should never have been on the show. I pale in comparison to Adam and Kris, and I’m going back to Milwaukee and driving a truck so ya’ll won’t ever have to see my ugly face again.”

    I think Danny has an awesome voice, and I hope that he will put out an album. I agree with many that the Christian music area would prolly be his best opportunity to succeed, although I know he wants to do mainstream music. I just think that mainstream can be sooooo hard for people to break into…It takes alot of promotion and luck.

  • jpfan

    I just have to add that I have no idea why Idol winners have to be good at interviews. I remember part of the knock on Archie last season was “OMG, he can’t talk.” That wasn’t true but even if it was, who cares. There are tons of musicians who give terrible interviews.

    I’m OK with a great singer who doesn’t sound like a Presidential candidate. At a certain point, all you have is their music. The media and interviews become way less important and eventually mean nothing.

  • cookcricket

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m still surprised the judges pimped him over Kris or Allison but maybe he sounds great live.

    Did you ever wonder if it was because they knew Adam would/could win over Danny musically and artistically? Too knollish? Perhaps. I do know an Adam fan one time posted that Danny had to be in the top 2 because this was the only way Adam would win. I know that’s only one fan, but it made me think a little. lol.

    Danny does have a nice voice and again I think he will continue to grow as time goes on.

  • Valentin432

    I just watched Idolatry and I agree that Gokey just seems clueless about pop music and about the music business but that’s something you would expect if he was really working as a truck driver in Milwaukee.
    He is as close to an unpolished talent as you’re going to get, he has a voice but he has to work on everything else.

    He was too serious during the whole interview but when he is with the others he is more relaxed and the likeable albeit naive side of him comes out.

  • kbr

    Yay, Michael Johns album promotion! Can’t wait for June 23rd!

    Oh, and the Idolatry interview with Danny def made me feel a little bad for him, still never wanted him to win but clearly his lack of musical knowledge was a disadvantage. For me it seems like if you really want to pursue something as a career knowing just a little about pop music/ music history should be a given. Whatever, I guess we’ll see what happens with Gokey.

  • awilliams

    I watched the Idolatry interview with Danny last night and came away liking, or perhaps understanding Danny better. I was not a fan of his but did feel badly for him. It would be hard to be in his shoes and read the negative comments.

    He reminded me of Syesha in his perceptions and how he expressed himself…awkward. I think he does over analyze himself and does need to lighten up. Seems he was in over his head musically.

    By now AI contestants should know the variety of songs they will be expected to know and sing. I DO understand his comment about getting lazy in church. Worship teams are often encouraged to “go with the Spirit” and many will not be trained vocally or musically. Gone are the days of a church choir with a choirmaster….alot of contemporary churches take a more relaxed (perhaps lax) approach and go for more of the spiritual goosebumps than perfection.

  • Layla

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m OK with a great singer who doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sound like a Presidential candidate. At a certain point, all you have is their music. The media and interviews become way less important and eventually mean nothing.

    I disagree. If a musician comes across as shy…that’s one thing. But if the artist comes across as clueless and/or asshole, that definately affects what I think about his/her lyrics.

  • ccagain

    Danny is boring but so is Kris. Adam would have been a refreshing change.

  • jpfan

    Coming across like a douche can hurt but being inarticulate isn’t a deal breaker for me. I think Danny is more clueless than douche though. He’s not saying stuff like the Jews have all the money which was said by another Idol runner up in seasons past.

  • KrisAllen1

    Kris isnt boring as Danny.I think Kris fans can argue that.Kris been showing with more interviews that he isnt boring or plain.

  • madmike2276

    jpfan
    May 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
    I just have to add that I have no idea why Idol winners have to be good at interviews. I remember part of the knock on Archie last season was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“OMG, he canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t talk.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  That wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t true but even if it was, who cares. There are tons of musicians who give terrible interviews.

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m OK with a great singer who doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sound like a Presidential candidate. At a certain point, all you have is their music. The media and interviews become way less important and eventually mean nothing.

    No one is asking for Presidential media savy. Personally, I would like an interview where it is not one long monologue after another. His answers did sound as if there was an agenda (yes, that is why most personalities do interviews). He seemed to sway between confident, combatitive, insecure, egotistical, self aware and dilusional. All in a very short time, yet I walked away with the thought that I both wish him luck, yet hope to never see him again.

  • shell29

    I just have to add that I have no idea why Idol winners have to be good at interviews. I remember part of the knock on Archie last season was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“OMG, he canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t talk.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  That wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t true but even if it was, who cares. There are tons of musicians who give terrible interviews.

    Yeah, I’m with you on that. I know I don’t buy music based on who can give the best soundbite or the greatest interview.

  • cookcricket

    He reminded me of Syesha in his perceptions and how he expressed himselfà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦awkward. I think he does over analyze himself and does need to lighten up. Seems he was in over his head musically.

    Oh no! I wouldn’t say he’s like Syesha, lol. IMHO, just as he has potential to grow in his music, he has potential to grow in his self-awareness. I believe that in this interview he demonstrated that to an extent, even if it was awkward.

  • snuffles

    I just have to add that I have no idea why Idol winners have to be good at interviews. I remember part of the knock on Archie last season was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“OMG, he canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t talk.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  That wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t true but even if it was, who cares. There are tons of musicians who give terrible interviews.

    Because, like it or not, that’s going to play a HUGE part in marketing their albums in the future. They’re going to have to put themselves out there and charm the public enough into at least checking out their music. The NON-AI watching public.

  • aek

    Kris isnt boring as Danny.I think Kris fans can argue that.Kris been showing with more interviews that he isnt boring or plain.

    Well, I don’t think this interview showed Danny’s true personality. I think he was extremely uncomfortable and resigned to the fact that he had to be there and do this.

    I think that normally Danny is kinda wired, and some of the other contestants said that he is goofy and your cares go out the window around him because he will make you laugh.

    I think interviews, especially for newbies, are an artificial situation to judge personality. Granted, they are the best we have to go on, pretty much. But I do think Danny was uncomfortable having to be a couple of feet from someone who had been so negative on him.

    That said, I think Kris is a very laidback person, whereas Danny is kind of hyper in real life. I actually like both personalities. Kris seems like a nice guy to me.

  • KrisAllen1

    I dont think Danny can grow if he doesnt know popular music.He should quit while he’s okay.He should focus on his foundation and preach at churches as
    long as its not mine.He doesnt even have the personality for today’s industry.
    And his music wont be popular like Adam and Kris’s will and even Allison.He’s not mainstream.It hurts more that he doesnt know today’s mainstream music!

    Speaking of Allison I had a question.Have we had any article or news that she’s getting signed to a label.Kris has Jive so i wonder if they didnt take
    Allison.I havent heard anything of her label.Just people who want to work
    with her.If I dont get Kris.adam and Allison albums by the time AI starts
    again i will be mad.

  • weese

    I hope Danny’s project for Milwaukee is successful. My understanding is that it is a city with a serious gang problem and that many kids lose their lives in the streets. I get the correlation between Sophia’s Heart Foundation and grabbing kids hearts with music now. I just didn’t get the connection before. I think Danny will need a lot of help to harness these ideas. I wish him much luck.

  • lavender1960

    I don’t see the relevance of a survey conducted after the show is finished.

    It’s like asking who did you want to win the Super Bowl after it’s done.

  • breakdown

    I forced myself to watch the Danny Idolatry to see if I had him pegged wrongly. But no, although I don’t personally dislike the guy, his voice and musical choices are so ho hum to me. I still don’t understand why TPTB pimped him so much unless it was to assure an Adam win. IMO he did not grow at all during the season and Kris did, or at least was able to show all of his abilities. How can someone who wants to be in the music business be so clueless about other musical styles? Idol will enable him to make a good living but that’s about all.

  • luvnlife

    Guilty of being a Danny basher. However, two things struck me watching the interview:
    1. Danny looks hotter & cooler. He’s lost weight, the facial hair and hair style work, the clothes definitely should have been what he wore for his home visit & on the show. So progress in the “look”.
    2. AI is the first time he’s ever been out of his comfort zone.
    Seems as though he was a big fish in a small pond in his church work w/out realizing there’s a great big world out there. Also, I’m betting this is the first time in his entire life he has ever been around anyone as free and flamboyant as Adam. And I’ll bet he’s never been around a talent like Allison, either.

    He has had to grow up and wake up not only musically, but in so many other areas of his life. Unfortunately for him, he’s having to do it on the run. Kudos to him. I do wish him well and if he follows R&B or makes a jazz or standards album, I’d give it a play.

  • lavender1960

    You know I have never been a big Danny fan and he is not the brightest bulb in the pack. He contradicted himself throughout that interview or he just didn’t get the questions.

    But listening to that Idolatry interview, in terms of his singing, his actual voice is pretty damn good, most of the time, he just has not figured out how to use it or at least how to use it in certain genres but then maybe that is not going to be his target genre anyway. Yes more groundbreaking artists like to absorb all kinds of music and change it up but those are rarer individuals or bands. But a lot of successful artists accept their limitations and focus on the strengths and their audience and it works. Let’s face it – Carrie Underwood always had a country voice, she made sure she made a country album and she had succeeded and will continue to succeed in country. Some great song writing has allowed her cross over appeal but that is the same as Shania Twain. What will she do without Mutt? The target audience however always remained the country crowd.

    Just like David Cook is never going to be doing any Andrew Lloyd Webber in the near future. Though yes in David’s case he did even that well and that is why he deserved to win.

    However I wonder if Danny was on the show during a year when a person without 10 years theatre experience was not on the show, and therefore more polished than everybody, in other words a year when most of the contestants were fairly new to the game would he have have fared much better or the years when you weren’t expected to be Quincy Jones and Whitney Houston at the same time?

  • TKat

    Whoever said that 19 had the RS roll out planned in advance has to right on the money. The fact that Lambert didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win, wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t play into this. Plus 19 à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“signed his momà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and she canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t share personal info. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just odd. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m now starting to wonder if the EW cover wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t part of the plan as well. Everything about his coming out feels very planned in advance.

    The EW mag cover and article did not even include a new interview with Adam. They just used quotes from past interviews and it just fulled the same speculation that had been going on about Adam. I think that 19 just used it as part of there attempt to boost ratings.

    ANd after yesterday’s odd O’Reilly spot on gays and Adam, I am starting to wonder if Bill O. was just part of the gameplan, too. Why else would he be so nice to Adam now.

    I guess I just don’t trust Fox or 19.

  • hypertwink

    This whole press tour feels like it was formerly codenamed the Adam Lambert Victory Tour. The Rolling Stone cover kinda tipped it for me. They were gunning for an Adam win and Kris fucked everything up. Which is why they’re co-headliners, as opposed to last year, where even if the Davids were together, the emphasis was still that the big one’s the champ, k?

  • JAG

    I felt sad for Danny while watching his interview,Danny did seem very uncomfortable and I agree that he simply needs a big hug ! I’m a huge Adam fan,but I also love Danny’s voice and hope that he does well post Idol ! RE.Adam’s official site, I’ve been having problems getting on too,it crashes almost every day,there is rarely less than 400 people on there at any given time.

  • TKat

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see the relevance of a survey conducted after the show is finished.

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s like asking who did you want to win the Super Bowl after ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s done.

    People have done these polls and other kinds of personality measures for years. It matters a lot to Advertisers and marketers deciding what to do with sponsorships. Most of the marketing index used in the Ad Industry show a bigger spread favoring Adam. And for all the negative stuff in the press and online comment about Adam, his negative perception scores are extremely low. People really like him and his facility with the press since the final will just boost the favorable rating. (Note: from a marketing standpoint, the negative comments from a few gay writers might actually help him.)

    Plus the result is a bit odd. Usually poeple shift to the winner after the final outcome is known. It is unusual to have a #2 finisher continue to beat the winner by the same margins. And that is what is going on.

  • sallyas1

    I haven’t watched any of the most recent Idolatry interviews – either Danny, Kris, or Adam. I will – just haven’t had the time.

    I never knew the families had to sign contracts as well. I could understand if Adam had asked his parents to not say anything. But his parents signed a contract with Idol and unless it has been set up by them, they aren’t allowed to answer?

    That is way too controlling. If they can control his parents to this extent, how much are they controlling him? I was under the impression that he was controlling on whether he wanted to come out to the public or not. But now I’m wondering if AI is pushing for this.

    Not happy about these developments.

  • aek

    hope Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s project for Milwaukee is successful. My understanding is that it is a city with a serious gang problem and that many kids lose their lives in the streets. I get the correlation between Sophiaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Heart Foundation and grabbing kids hearts with music now. I just didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get the connection before.

    Yeah, and from what I understand, Danny has been volunteering to help kids in these areas for many years.

    When Danny didn’t go back to his high school homecoming week, it piqued my interest so I decided to look into this. I knew that Ricky Minor had said something about Danny being a guy from a lower middle class background.

    I had seen the name of Danny’s high school and I looked it up. I read an article saying that Danny’s high school in the 1990s was considered probably the most troubled high school in Milwaukee with violence and major discipline issues, as well as low test scores. It seems that Danny would have been in the vast minority in his school, being that the demographics of Vincent High School are 90% African American and only about 6-7 % caucasion (don’t shoot me if these figures are not exact…I’m going on memory). I think he saw these problems close up and personal and decided that he wanted to make a difference. I hope he can achieve at least some of what he wants to do.

  • weareallinnocent

    Why else would he (BOR) be so nice to Adam now?

    Color me cynical, but how ’bout because Adam did not win the title of American Idol and BOR feels egotistically satisfied (in his mind) to have probably had a hand in that result.

    Not to mention that Adam is the media lightening rod right now, so just the mention of his name will bring bright and brilliant flashes of light. And, since Adam seems wildly popular, I doubt even divisive BOR wants to take that on right now (certainly not after viewing the bloody carcasses of Messrs Aiken and Simmons. LOL)

  • Zerika

    This whole press tour feels like it was formerly codenamed the Adam Lambert Victory Tour. The Rolling Stone cover kinda tipped it for me.

    TPTB really, really don’t control Rolling Stone. If (as it seems) Rolling Stone wants an Adam cover article, it’s because they want it. Not because 19E wants it. It’s not surprising, really. RS has been very enthusiastic about Adam all season long. Check as an exhibit of heavy Adam fanboying. I’m not saying this hasn’t been planned for a long time, I’m just saying that TPTB are just going along with it. They can’t instigate RS cover stories.

  • jonoave

    A new national media study among 300 viewers of a news clip featuring the recent controversy surrounding the American Idol voting process revealed that the majority of respondents (59%) indicated that there should be a recount of the voting for the American Idol finale show.

    I really believe that the study conducted should be taken with a grain of salt. And if AI advertisers are taking that study into consideration, they definitely need to fire their marketing and planning department.

    For all we know the 300 viewers might be people who live under a rock and have never watched A1, and seeing that clip they might think that Adam is robbed. Or in that clip they might have played Adam getting glowing reviews, while Kris got a polite applause from the judges (look no further than Larry King Live for proof of this creative editing). Or that 200 of those people are Adam fans. Who knows? There is no error of margin, demographics etc – just a random survey.

    I wouldn’t go as far to say that study is completely useless, but to claim that it shows any significance on public perception of the “rightful” (again, very subjective) AI winner is quite a bit of a stretch. JMHO.

  • lavender1960

    If the 34% who said they preferred Adam didn’t bother to vote, it is not relevant as in terms of the outcome.

    Wake me up when the first true singles and albums hit the market.

    At least the Kings of Leon got their first Rolling Stone cover a few weeks ago. Never mind they’ve been hot INTERNATIONALLY for over a year now. Because if Adam beat them to a cover, and I were Kings of Leon, I’d be majorly bummed. Well maybe they were just too busy to get it done before now.

    I think it has been noted by others that a number of the Idol winners were hardly smooth talkers, some still are not, and in fact many artists when they start aren’t – you learn as you go because the record company isn’t hiring you for your media skills primarily and if you have the talent they will hone that for you and experience is the best teacher. Can anyone understand what Bob Dylan says anymore? Even when Dylan was coherent he wasn’t coherent, man. Daughtry is not an exciting interview – he is Mr. Earnest but ya know, 4 million albums later, who cares.

    David Cook and Adam Lambert have been anomalies. A bonus if you will from the AI or record company perspective but not the first thing on the list.

  • linsav

    hypertwink May 30th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    This whole press tour feels like it was formerly codenamed the Adam Lambert Victory Tour. The Rolling Stone cover kinda tipped it for me. They were gunning for an Adam win and Kris fucked everything up. Which is why theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re co-headliners, as opposed to last year, where even if the Davids were together, the emphasis was still that the big oneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the champ, k?

    I disagree, there was the possibility as Adam advanced that he might win, but the longer he stayed on the show they knew his sexual orientation was going to have to be addressed. Since Day 1 of Season 1 they have controlled all their lives and of course they negotiated once RS made the offer as the speculation about him being gay had steadily increased as the season progressed. Adam is a force all unto his own and the media and fans and casual viewers are demanding info and access to him and he has brought in a tremendous amount of international interest and fascination as well. Even if he had been voted out 4th he would still have garnered a lot of attention and headlines.

  • ccagain

    Why was TMZ chasing Kris and asking about a pink thong on his and his wife’s bridal registry? Was that a joke?

  • Jx223

    I like the way that Kris said that Danny à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“was his brother, as wellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ (as Adam). I know many people wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to accept this because they are so wrapped up the the Kradam stuff. But ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s obvious that Kris does like Danny, and so do many of the other guys. Personally, I think that Danny has said very nice stuff about Adam. In this interview, he says that Adam tried to show that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“change was okay.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  He once again said that Adam was a very nice guy, as he has said often. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s said time and again that Adam was a genuine guy and would genuinely à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“be happy for anyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  winning. Imo, those are pretty large compliments. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get any sense whatsoever that Danny does not like Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦AT ALL.

    Sure, he has his faults. But he seems like a nice guy to me. It seems that some people would not be satisfied with Danny unless he came on and said. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Okay, you all are right. I suck as a singer, performer, and a person. I should never have been on the show. I pale in comparison to Adam and Kris, and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m going back to Milwaukee and driving a truck so yaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t ever have to see my ugly face again.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    I think Danny has an awesome voice, and I hope that he will put out an album. I agree with many that the Christian music area would prolly be his best opportunity to succeed, although I know he wants to do mainstream music. I just think that mainstream can be sooooo hard for people to break intoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦It takes alot of promotion and luck.

    I never got the feeling that he didn’t like Adam or anyone else neither. He has had nothing but nice things to say about the other contestants. And they have had nice things to say about him as well.

    Also, I think that he deserved to be on the show this year and deserved to hit at least top 4. I know that his knowledge of music is very limited and that he can be awkward at times, but I definitely think that he deserved to be in this competition.

    I feel that he should have advanced over Jasmine, Lil, Scott, Megan, Michael, Jorge and even Matt. He is a better singer than all of those people IMO and consistently outsung and outperformed all of them in the competition.

    I think that Alexis and especially Anoop got tough breaks but that wasn’t Danny’s fault. IMO, The night that Alexis went home there was at least three other people who should have went home instead of her. But none of them were named Danny.

    I thought that the night that Anoop went home it should have been Lil and Matt that went home. I didn’t think that Anoop’s elimination was Danny’s fault either.

    I think that Danny deserved to be top 4, he was never the the worst singer or in the worst two prior to top 4 week IMHO.

    I think that he does have a pretty good voice and I hope that he puts out an album as well and has success.

  • butte009

    The whole interview was so pleading, so grasping at forgiveness that it was actually uncomfortable to watch.

    Oh god. The Danny interview is excruciating.

    It is a mystery for me why Danny thinks telling everyone that he has no clue about popular music, will help him to build a career in the music industry.

    Did anyone else, while watching Danny on Idolatry interview, want to smack him on the back of the head and yellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦SPIT.IT.OUT.

    :lol_tb:

    Hopefully, after the tour Danny will just fade into the obscurity that was his existanceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think I could stand to see his name pop up anywhere. And, I wish people would quit saying his place is in Christian Contemporary Musicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need to be saddled with him either.

    I absolutely agree with these. Did anyone else cringe when Danny said that he had wanted Allison for the rock duet and that he had originally wanted a Doobie Bros song? He didn’t seem to have a problem singing with Lionel Richie during the finale. But perhaps he loves Lionel in the Godly way?

    Hopefully Danny goes the Christian music route and I’ll never have to hear him again.

  • http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com Buderschnookie

    TPTB really, really donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t control Rolling Stone. If (as it seems) Rolling Stone wants an Adam cover article, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s because they want it. Not because 19E wants it.

    That does not mean that an exclusivity deal wasn’t brokered long ago, which is what I believe most of us mean.

    At some point (likely after Mad World #1) Rolling Stone expresses an interest in doing a post Idol Adam feature because, as you noted, they like him and he is current music news. The Idol machine/publicists press for a cover to go along with the story to further keep Adam up front in the public eye. RS comes back with “well a cover is a big deal- what are you offering us that no one else has?”, to which TPTB think “hmmmmm”.

    They know Adam and know that he is going to be himself no matter what, so why not turn the inevitable “embarrassment” into a golden opportunity. Thus the exclusivity deal and the promise that no one shall publicly utter the “gay” word until after Rolling Stone has “broken” the story.

    Rolling Stone gets the “scoop”, Adam gets the cover, Idol gets to manage the way the information is presented, and Adam’s fans get an in depth story about the man and his voice which is all most of us want anyway.
    Win/win/win/win.

    Makes complete sense to me.

  • Tess

    who are the Kings of Leon?

  • KrisAllen1

    Hyper,Kris didnt fuck anything up.It was his fans.I think even Adam and Kris said in the today show all Kris did was sing and his fans voted.So blame them not Kris for the win.

  • Jx223

    I absolutely agree with these. Did anyone else cringe when Danny said that he had wanted Allison for the rock duet and that he had originally wanted a Doobie Bros song? He didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem to have a problem singing with Lionel Richie during the finale. But perhaps he loves Lionel in the Godly way?

    I think that a Doobie Brotherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s song would have been a good fit for him. I have seen some people compare him to Michael McDonald, and I think that he could have done well with a Doobie Brotherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s song.

  • butte009

    I think that a Doobie Brotherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s song would have been a good fit for him.

    As a duet with any of the other three though; Alison, Kris, Adam? :thumbdown_tb:

  • JosieX

    I watched Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s interview and it seemed like two-day longà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.
    I tried to feel sorry for him, but it seemed to me that he pretends to be clueless to get away with things, and Slezak caught him a couple of times on just not telling the truth – like when he said that he was so serious about his singing and taking false notes and then that he laughed all night after Scream onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.
    or when he said that he knew nothing about controversy, and then he started talking in-depth about the said controversyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ just sayingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    On Point 1, about him laughing about the scream, I think you missed the point of what he was saying. He had talked about on Endless Love that he missed a note early on, and was upset about it for the rest of the performance, and it affected the rest of his performance. He was telling us that he learned that this was not a good way to handle it, and when the scream problem happened, he had grown enough to laugh, shrug it off and move on.

    On Point 2 about the controversy, he said he could understand why people would say that and then began to talk about it. It is not true to say that Slezak caught him not telling the truth.

    If you read Slezak’s written prologue to the interview, it’s interesting that it was basically an apology for treating Danny with a minimum of professional courtesty during the interview. Not surprising, I guess.

    Well, America, you almost ended up having to watch the Idiot that is Danny represent the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“bestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  of what the American music scene has to offer. I am so thankful that sanity finally took over and that Kris and Adam were the last two standing. Hopefully, after the tour Danny will just fade into the obscurity that was his existanceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think I could stand to see his name pop up anywhere.

    I didn’t vote for Danny but I certainly hope that he finds happiness and success in his music. I don’t think Danny is an idiot and I don’t think that people who enjoy his singing are insane. I liked quite a few of his performances on the show, and I’ll be glad to see his name pop up when his album comes out. Danny is not a “whatever” kind of person, he wants to do good work and I think his album will be good. Someone who is capable of delivering that “Come Rain or Shine” performance is someone with an immense amount of talent. I think that achieving Top 3 on AI, even without the burden of a personal grief that would be crushing, is a respect-worthy achievement.

  • KrisAllen1

    I think 19/RCA organized the RS cover for Adam.I will stand by that.I think this hole thing was planned out to the bone.I feel for Adam.The guy has alot of pressure.He hasnt put out a album-or done again to derserve this.Hasnt done anything but become a runner-up on a talent show.People are expecting him to be this star.I cant imagine how he feels and what he’s going though.I will admit im afraid of what the Media might do to him when he comes out.

  • Sunn
  • Jx223

    As a duet with any of the other three though; Alison, Kris, Adam?

    He could have done “Listen to the music” with Allison. Tom Johnston one of the Doobie Brothers who orignally sung lead on that song, did a duet on it, with his daughter and it sounded decent.

    So I do think that he and Allison could have done a duet on that song or maybe one of the other DB songs that Michael McDonald was a vocalist on. Or maybe him and Kris could have dueted on one of their songs as well.

  • aek

    It is a mystery for me why Danny thinks telling everyone that he has no clue about popular music, will help him to build a career in the music industry.

    I don’t know that he is telling this with the idea in mind that it will advance his career, I think he’s just being honest in his assessment of his limitations.

    He didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem to have a problem singing with Lionel Richie during the finale.

    I saw Lionel Ritchie on Larry King the other night. He was mainly talking about his daughter, grandchild and stuff when I tuned in. Then I noticed he was talking aobut AI and I unmuted the televsion.

    He mentioned Danny. He said he was great. He said before the show Danny was like, “What is I screw up the lyrics? What if I accidentally sing your part?”

    He said he told him that “nobody would know if they messed up because the audience had never seen the performance before. And if you start singing my part, sing it loud and sing it strong!”

    I thought that was really nice of Ritchie to say and to put Danny at ease.

    As far as Kris and Danny’s duet, I think the main thing was that Danny flubbed the lyric twice and Kris had to cover for him. Maybe Danny was nervous, but I think Kris was upset to be called out as not performing as well as Danny (feeling like he was covering for Danny’s mistake…not necessarily mad at Danny, just irritated with the situation as a whole). I still think they sounded good singing together…there voices blended well.

  • KrisAllen1

    Danny should never duet with anyone again.I even felt bad for Lionel Richie.
    Unless Danny gets some duet lessons he shouldnt sing with anyone.I think
    if anyone have sung with Danny on rock week it wouldnt turn out good.He
    would of killed Allison.He would of tried to out-shine Adam since he knew it
    was Adam’s week.

  • Jx223

    As far as Kris and Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s duet, I think the main thing was that Danny flubbed the lyric twice and Kris had to cover for him. Maybe Danny was nervous, but I think Kris was upset to be called out as not performing as well as Danny (feeling like he was covering for Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s mistakeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦not necessarily mad at Danny, just irritated with the situation as a whole). I still think they sounded good singing togetherà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦there voices blended well.

    I thought that Kris and Danny sounded decent on their duet and blended well together. And I am not a fan of Kris as a singer. I don’t really care for Kris’s voice, but I did like his “Renegade” duet with Danny.

  • Tess

    A cool Rock/Pop group. check em out:

    Pretty nice….they are on RCA, too with David Cook and maybe Adam Lambert.

    Are they more famous Internationally then in the States? I see that they have had great British success. If so that would bode well for Adam and his future success.

    Thanks for the links….I’m playing them as I type.

  • KrisAllen1

    Kings Of Leon is a great group.They remind me of Three Day Grace.A rock band for Jive.Although I think Kings Of Leon is internationally famous in differant countries.

  • TylerWV

    I’ve been an Idol fan since season 2. Every year there are fan wars to a degree, some years its downright ridiculous. The Claymates were so over the top that radio refused to play Clay’s music eventually because of being harrassed by his fans whenever anything not over whelmingly positive was said about Clay. When Constantine got voted off, his fans went on a long rant but nothing like Clay’s fans. Now we have some of Adams fans and the media being ungracious to the winner and roaming the internet boards salivating for controversy to prove why their guy lost. The next step will be the runner ups fans preordering his music in big numbers to prove he has more fans. This always happens but proves nothing actually except more of them chose to preorder. Both are going to do just fine. Adam has been so very classy and I think genuinely glad for Kris. I do have to give Kris’ fans a WTG for mostly staying out of the fray. What bothers me the most when this happens is the winner can’t enjoy his win the way he should. Its a once in a lifetime happening that he should be celebrating instead of almost having to defend himself for receiving the most votes. The power voting happens every year, ATT employees have helped texting parties before and has anyone asked if any of Adams fans asked an ATT employee to their party for help? As popular as Adam is, I feel sure they would’ve obliged. It galls me that Simon and Ryan get on the radio right away and start putting Kris down by rating him in comparison to other idols. You would think the judges and producers and the label would do everything they could to give the winner positive press as it would reflect off the Idol brand when he does well. Had I been Taylor HIcks when he appeared on Idol this year and Simon stood and applauded him, I wouldve thrown my dang shoes at him. Simon spent 2 yrs bad mouthing Taylor at every opportunity. I think a lot of it was just because Simon didnt get his way for once. MOre power to the people in that regard!

  • Laurie

    Perhaps because I was not invested in this year’s show, I came away with a very different opinion than many did here on Danny Gokey’s interview with Idolatry. I found him to be quite sincere, and I liked his sense of humor on the scream heard ’round the world reaction. The fact that he couldn’t stop laughing tells me that Danny indeed has a lighter side. I also liked when he said that he thought that people look (ie-read) too much into certain things said or done on Idol. I appreciated his candor, and I found his honesty about being new to this side of the music industry, and feeling that he had gotten “lazy” within the framework of the chuch setting, open and refreshing. In regard to Daughtry’s producer making that statement, it will probably fuel Danny’s competitive nature to prove him wrong. I actually like Danny better after this interview, and I wish him well with his career.

  • hypertwink

    Hyper,Kris didnt fuck anything up.It was his fans.I think even Adam and Kris said in the today show all Kris did was sing and his fans voted.So blame them not Kris for the win.

    Read my post again, please. I am not blaming Kris.

  • butte009

    Ok… because it’s been so long since I’ve listened to the DBs I had to find “Listen to the Music” on YouTube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF2vKBjmAkI. My first impression after a few bars was that Adam could knock it out of the park. Kris could have put his vibe on it and done very well. Allison… eh…. not an edgy enough song for her, but I’m sure she could have rocked it anyways. Danny… would have been agonizing. The song wouldn’t have fit his vocal “ability”.

    If anything I bet Gokey wanted to sing “Jesus is just alright”. He might have actually been able to remember the lyrics, seeing as there are so few. It even has the Doo Doo Doos he thinks are so rockin’. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWGiGqYWYZM

  • tinawina

    I didn’t mind Danny’s interview. I expected him to be goofier, so that he came across serious and a bit intense was a surprise. Considering that he had very little musical knowledge coming into Idol he did well! He needed a bit more time to get his stride. I also believe he needs to narrow the focus of his foundation. That is too much stuff for one organization to accomplish. Still, he doesn’t seem like a bad guy to me at all. I wish him well.

  • Kirsten

    I watched Danny’s Idolatory this morning and it almost gave me a headache. It was too early in the morning to watch that many context switches. Seemed to me that the dude had so much to say that his brain got way ahead of his mouth and he kept going off in epic tangents. I used to have a prof like that, so I went all zen and it started making more sense.

    Anyway, I liked the interview and I’ve decided I like Danny. In many ways, Danny is a big, clueless goof, but in other ways, he’s too hyper-aware (IMO). I imagine that he may have been both dreading and anticipating this interview for a while. He had to have known how much EW was ragging on him and here was his chance to explain himself whilst at the same time he’s facing what he may have thought would have been a somewhat unfriendly interviewer. So, I kind of get where he’d be a little flighty.

    IMO, Danny’s just doing his thing. He wants to help people and seems harmless to me. I think he needs to dial the bombast down when he’s singing, but he’s got a pretty good voice. I wish him nothing but success. It’s not a zero sum game to me, so I get no enjoyment from watching him fail. He’s helped to make for an entertaining season and the Scream will live on for us to snark for years to come.

    From the last few comments, it does sound like he’s working on a project and that the producers are willing to work with him (something to the effect of “We are trying out different sounds to see what works”). I think that they (whoever the rest of “We” is) are very aware that Danny’s current vision needs glasses and that they will guide him to making the most of his talents. I hope that Danny becomes the Pickler of this year (although, Danny, if you show up to sing on the show next year with a new set of boobs, you are dead to me).

  • karenw

    Are they more famous Internationally then in the States? I see that they have had great British success. If so that would bode well for Adam and his future success.

    They’re very popular here in the UK and have had a fair bit of chart success including a multi platinum selling album that was number one for about a month on the UK charts at the end of last year.

  • KrisAllen1

    I wonder if RCA is going to sign Danny.If there a really smart company they dump Danny.They had so many more people who belong in the music industry more than Danny does.Allison,Anoop and Matt come to mind.I can see Danny
    being dropped faster than anyone can say Taylor Hicks,Katherine Mcphee and Ruben.

  • TKat

    I think 19/RCA organized the RS cover for Adam.I will stand by that.I think this hole thing was planned out to the bone.I feel for Adam.The guy has alot of pressure.He hasnt put out a album-or done again to derserve this.Hasnt done anything but become a runner-up on a talent show.People are expecting him to be this star.I cant imagine how he feels and what heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going though.I will admit im afraid of what the Media might do to him when he comes out.

    IMO Adam is already a star — the only question is if he becomes a top selling recording artist or not. And, for the most part, Adam seems to be loving the attention. Although it really looks like Kris and Adam both need some sleep!

    I have no idea how Adam feels about all this but my impression is that it will be easier for him after “the answer” is finally public — again. And it’s a damn good think that Adam know how to laugh and say “whatever”.

    Think how odd it must be to have been publicly gay for years, then to go on AI and have to play this silly “don’t tell” game? I mean all it takes is 5 minutes online and there is no doubt that he was very public for years. Someone who is in a closet doesn’t do gay cabaret performances, perform in drag and talk about the pink elephant in the room, etc. Heavens, his first two AI performance were covers of Queen and Cher.

    I have friends who know Adam and say he is really happy and in a relationship — and that his family loves his current partner. (And Drake’s been in the AI audience sitting with Adam’s parents the whole time, but they avoided even showing him on air. And when they did, he was described as one of Adam’s friends. That really must have been hard.)

  • TKat

    Danny should never duet with anyone again.I even felt bad for Lionel Richie.
    Unless Danny gets some duet lessons he shouldnt sing with anyone.I think
    if anyone have sung with Danny on rock week it wouldnt turn out good.He
    would of killed Allison.He would of tried to out-shine Adam since he knew it
    was Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s week.

    The evil side of me really wanted to see Danny duet with Adam. I don’t think it would have been good, but it might have been very entertaining.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    1. Employees of a sponsor and the company providing exclusive telcom voting services, AT&T, aided one contestant. And there initial statements of a few free phones, have now grown to at least 128 free phones, multiple events with training and free AT&T cell phone charging.

    2. There is now clear evidence that a small group of anti-gay guys used computers to send massive numbers of votes to Adam blocking his phone lines à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  these votes were designed to keep the line buzy for the longest possible time. This had two great benefits: Adam voters couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get through and, if Telescope really does eliminate massive computer generated votes, these votes would be eliminated. This strategy has been written about in Operations Management articles for years, but there is not documented case of it being used before.

    Are there cites for any of this? Sounds like a bunch of urban legends, or a game of telephone to me.

  • ppwars

    Gokey’s situation is that there is a talent such as his in every town and village across America. With nothing unique to offer a label, why would one invest in just another really good but indistinct voice? Why take on a voice will require training and adaptation when there are competent finished artists ready to sign?

    I certainly wish him success, sincerely. But of all the top 10, to me his skills are the most average and, thus, not commercial. (Lil = no skill).

  • hypertwink

    I have friends who know Adam and say he is really happy and in a relationship à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  and that his family loves his current partner.

    So he put his boyfriend in a closet, in a way. Interesting. Kinda like some people were accusing Kris of putting Katy to the side during the competition.

  • chrgi

    I think in the right area, Danny can do really well musically. He isn’t a bad singer. His lack of industry savvy is a concern but if he’s interested he can find people to help him with that.

    For me, with how the American Idol TV Show is ran, he did not come off well at all. Personally I did not like him as a person (I know that’s really unfair because I don’t know him, but can’t help the way I feel) and so even when he would come out with a good performance, I would grudgingly admit it that he can sing. I would have never voted for him at all!

    However, with any of these contestants once they get off the show all bets are off. If they put out good music, I’ll buy it. Now of course if I stayed on the phone texting for you for four hours, then not only will I actively seek your music, but I’ll give your first album a pass and buy it regardless. LOL!

  • karenw

    So he put his boyfriend in a closet, in a way. Interesting. Kinda like some people were accusing Kris of putting Katy to the side during the competition.

    I can see your point ..although I think that in Kris’s case it was more about the fact that he was married rather than him having a partner (some fans seem to think that if someone just has a girlfriend/boyfriend they stand more chance of getting together with them than if they’re married, even if the partner is a long term partner …lol)

    Also I think if Adam had revealed a boyfriend and that that boyfriend was appearing in the audience then that would have been all the media would have been talking about .. such is the nature of the interest in his sexual orientation. Plus the boyfriend would have been hounded by the press .. so he’s protecting his boyfriend as much as protecting himself.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Whoever said that 19 had the RS roll out planned in advance has to right on the money. The fact that Lambert didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win, wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t play into this. Plus 19 à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“signed his momà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and she canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t share personal info. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just odd.

    All Idol parents sign non-disclosure agreements with 19 as a matter of course it’s nothing new.

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m now starting to wonder if the EW cover wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t part of the plan as well.

    Considering there wasn’t a shred of original material in that article, I kind of doubt it.

    The New York Post, for instance, covered Adam’s Idol journal quite extensively, none of those articles were at the behest of TPTB

    Everything about his coming out feels very planned in advance.

    I don’t find that odd or nefarious. That’s what PR people do, they plan and coordinate how their clients will be presented to the public.

    I would imagine Adam and 19′s PR peeps sat down and discussed exactly how he’d proceed once the competition was over.

    As did Kris and his PR peeps. Kris has no hot-button issues, but he’s certainly got a backstory to present–that includes his family and cultural background.

    If Adam wanted to come out without TPTB blessing, he could just do it–just like Kat Mcphee went off script and blabbed to a People magazine reporter about her bulemia. She wasn’t penalized for it, but I think it made her more difficult to manage.

    I think Adam is more savvy than that. He also appears to have a mind of his own. I doubt he’s kicking and screaming his way to this RS interview.

  • steve

    1 danny knows he messed up a note and it made him angry
    2 Then says he learned from it so it was ok to laugh at it .What did he learn?
    He said he knew it blew up on the internet.He had to laugh at it.
    3 If he really learned to laugh at his mistakes why didnt he laugh about the duet?Why not say i felt bad i messed up.Never said nothing when simon said he was better.He just let kris take the hit.He had another chance with the idolatry but says he thought it was ok.
    4 That means its ok for me to laugh at danny and i do.

  • zoya

    I think 19/RCA organized the RS cover for Adam.I will stand by that.I think this hole thing was planned out to the bone.I feel for Adam.The guy has alot of pressure.He hasnt put out a album-or done again to derserve this.Hasnt done anything but become a runner-up on a talent show.People are expecting him to be this star.I cant imagine how he feels and what heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going though.I will admit im afraid of what the Media might do to him when he comes out.

    He stated that he didn’t try out for idol when he was younger because he didn’t think he could have handled the pressure. But now I guess he was ready. Even if it might be a bit overwhelming to him I don’t think it’s unexpected – the media attention, talking about his sex life… While from an idealists (me) standpoint nobody would care who he sleeps with, the society is just not there yet, for his career I guess such a story on the cover of the RS is a great thing. So I surely don’t feel sorry for him.

  • Laurie

    “Kinda like some people were accusing Kris of putting Katy to the side during the competition.”

    I think that was Simon not Kris! lol!

    Regarding the voting conspiracy theories – I think it would take more than one state alone to throw the vote in any one direction. I am tired of the voting argument, and I still believe if it had been close at all, they would have said so on the finale, like they did several times throughout the season.

    I agree with the above post about letting the winner enjoy the victory. Adam and Kris both seem satisfied with the outcome, and it seems time to move on and look forward to the albums from these top 2 talented men.

  • KrisAllen1

    I think Adam can handle it.I just think its happening way to fast for him.I like that he has a grounded personality and that it hasnt changed who he is.He
    became a star over-night and sometimes that is tuff.I mean look at Archie.
    Everyone was exepecting him for the most part to be the famous one for
    that season if i remember correctly.Of coarse Adam is older and been in the
    business longer so you cant really compare that.

  • butte009

    A few other things in Danny’s Idolatry that made me cringe.

    1 – He didn’t have time to do arrangements because he wasn’t familiar with the songs and it took him days to learn the lyrics. Really? Can you imagine how awful his version of No Boundaries would have been? Both Kris and Adam said it was a lot of words to remember in the few days they got to learn it.

    2- He tried to do the arrangement for one of his songs and Ricky Minor told him it wasn’t going to work and came up with a new arrangement for him? Really? That doesn’t bode well for the type of music that Danny wants to make post-Idol if Ricky wasn’t going to let it happen on the show. Just saying…..

  • movin2thabeet

    Putting aside all the other issues people have with Danny, the one that strikes me as most relevant when considering his chances of success in the music biz is this – the man admittedly has no understanding about popular secular music – no background nor history nor musical context to situate himself to, except with the Christian music he grew up with. He could have sought to educate himself about popular music before deciding to audition for the biggest pop music show in the world, but didn’t.

    That speaks volumes to me. Confidence is one thing. This is flatout hubris. Learning about secular pop music by competing on the show? That is a waste of everyone’s time. You realize that most viewers know more about popular music than Danny Gokey does. There’s amateur and then there’s clueless. Danny fits well in the latter category as far as secular pop music goes, and he still doesn’t see that as a problem. The man thinks that doors will open for him regardless of whether he’s earned his entry or not.

    I think that Danny has some inherent talent. If he really had an interest in exploring a career in the pop music field, I think it would be a good idea for him to learn something about it. Listen to secular music from the 60′s to the present. Alot of great stuff there. Maybe work with a vocal teacher to learn about his instrument and how to use it. If he could humble himself and embrace being a student, I can see his potential. Unfortunately, he shows little sign of that level of humility so without that work, there’s not much room for growth. And I don’t see a label wanting to jump in that hole with him.

    Of course, on the other hand, if he decides to explore a career in Christian music, then that might be a fruitful endeavor for him, since he is familiar with that world.

  • erinnthered

    At least the Kings of Leon got their first Rolling Stone cover a few weeks ago.

    No kidding, and reason #11,523 that Adam Lambert has no business being on the cover of Rolling Stone! Seriously, WTF?! That magazine is so meaningless now. I don’t know why Wenner is suddenly so keen to turn it into a faux-hipper version of US Weakly (tm that girl who used to run TWOP). Even SPIN had KoL on the cover last year.

    After a couple of years of overseas success it is nice to see KoL getting radio play and recognition here…now if we can just get people in the US to listen to We Are Scientists…

    Kirsten, I’m with you on a lot of that post. I agree that he is clueless and hyper self-aware. That just makes me so certain that he is telling a bald-faced lie about not knowing about the “culture war” stuff, and that irks me. So do his untruths about the scream. I’m glad Slezak – very tactfully – tried to call him on some of that. The passive agressive BS over the duet (aka ‘It’s all Kris’ fault, even though I’m the one who forgot the lyrics, over sang, and failed to make eye contact’) was the icing on the cake. It just makes him come across as so insincere and fake, and I can’t support that. It’s sad because he does have a nice tone, and with some help I’m sure he could make a nice album. I just don’t think I could buy it.

    That Mediacurves “survey” is pretty sketchy. I can feel the faces of my friends with PhDs in Research Psychology twitching over this, and they haven’t even read it! You can’t tell anything at all from their results. To begin with, too many variables and not enough evidence of a true random sample. I can go on, but I know people will take from it what they want.

    However I wonder if Danny was on the show during a year when a person without 10 years theatre experience was not on the show, and therefore more polished than everybody, in other words a year when most of the contestants were fairly new to the game would he have have fared much better or the years when you werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t expected to be Quincy Jones and Whitney Houston at the same time?

    They haven’t had a season like that since season four, and that was the year of Carrie. Before that it was Fantasia, and before that Clay, and before that Kelly. His could never have competed vocally at their level, and his arrangement skills and voice couldn’t have competed after that. Danny Gokey was never going to win AI unless he started music appreciation and voice courses 8 years ago. He was always going to be a runner up.

  • steve

    Allison having fun yesterday at the GBK pre mtv party.

    http://www.wireimage.com/ItemListings.aspx?cbi=60583&igi=374437&nbc1=1

  • LaurelG

    Some random thoughts on the Danny interview:

    * the impression of being serious and intense squares exactly with what the LA Times guy said after he spent some time with the group after Matt’s save

    * Slezak’s pants were ridiculous and I actually give Danny bonus points for not cracking a joke about them – I would have

    * the one time I thought Danny was being disingenuous was when he was talking about how funny the “scream” was. He went on and on and on and somehow I just don’t believe he was laughing that hard. In retrospect, it knocked him out of the competition.

    * I liked that he wants his foundation to set up and promote, among other things, kids theatre groups to give kids an alternative to hangin’ in the streets. I wonder if he’s talked to Adam about this, i.e. creating mini Adams in Milwaukee :)

    * overall, I was left with the impression of a sincere guy who wants to do something positive in the world, although I agree with the poster who referred to his ideas as being a little “pie in the sky,” i.e. the line of glasses, the movement.

    * I actually think it was a good thing Sarver was knocked out early because the remaining “Christians,” Kris, Matt and even Lil, are a lot more open-minded and, well, Christian. I think he actually benefitted from not having Sarver as his default BFF for most of the competition. I suspect Danny was able to forge better relationships with the others because of it.

  • karenw

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t find that odd or nefarious. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what PR people do, they plan and coordinate how their clients will be presented to the public.

    I would imagine Adam and 19à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s PR peeps sat down and discussed exactly how heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d proceed once the competition was over.

    oh yes totally. Right from the start TPTB probably realised that Adam had a good shot at going far in the competition so the whole thing about his sexual orientation and how to handle it in the media will have been discussed and he will have been coached about what to say when questioned. Although I sense that Adam is sufficiently business and media savvy to know how to handle it himself without any coaching.

    A bit off topic but Susan Boyle has just finished second in Britain’s Got Talent .. the dance group Diversity won. So I guess it’s not just American Idol where the one who’s supposed to be the most pimped doesn’t win.

  • hypertwink

    Plus the boyfriend would have been hounded by the press .. so heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s protecting his boyfriend as much as protecting himself.

    How selfless.

    Actually, I don’t know how to feel about that since on one hand, I applaud him for finding a way to outwit the system but on the other, I find it…I don’t know if hypocritical is the right word, when he’s all about being fierce on stage and courageous and phenomenal and attention-seeking, and he’s all “See my wings and glitter, I’m a motherfucking pixie…but don’t quote me on that.” There’s a dissonance that irks me but then again, this is for a jillion dollar contract so there are extenuating circumstances.

  • KrisAllen1

    Maybe Allison and Adam will go to the MTV music awards together hopefully.Isnt Adam suppose to be going? I miss Adam/Allison.

  • TKat

    If Adam wanted to come out without TPTB blessing, he could just do ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’just like Kat Mcphee went off script and blabbed to a People magazine reporter about her bulemia. She wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t penalized for it, but I think it made her more difficult to manage.

    MJ although I agree with you that much of what is going on is beyone the control of 19, I don’t think talking about bulemia is quite on the the same level as the “Are you gay?” question.

    Entertainment, PR and Brand representative contracts all contain morals clauses. Typically, these clauses prohibit some violation of law or social norms, but they can also restrict behavior that degrades the value of a brand. I have no idea what is in the AI contracts, but a typical television contract would contain something like this:

    The Actor shall not commit any act or do anything which might tend to bring Actor into public disrepute, contempt, scandal, or ridicule, or which might tend to reflect unfavorably on the Network, any sponsor of a program, any such sponsorà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s advertising agency, any stations broadcasting or scheduled to broadcast a program, or any licensee of the Network, or to injure the success of any use of the Series or any program.

    I am absolutely certain that major corporate sponsors like AT&T would require that morals clauses are in place.

    It is truly doubtful that admitting to bulemia would come under this type of clause, even if 19 didn’t appreciate Katharine’s public statement. Since Adam was clearly openly gay prior to going on AI, my guess is that this was specifically discussed before he was selected as a Semi Finalist.

    Leila says she also signed a contract with American Idol and is not allowed to discuss her sonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s personal life anyway without their permission.

    His mom even said she couldn’t talk about Adam’s personal life.

  • Sunn
  • flynnsgirl

    As far as Adam goes, I don’t think he is overwhelmed at all, if anything, he is amused at all the bullshit being said. If people didn’t know Adam was gay from the first 5 minutes of seeing him, then it’s their fault, not Adams. Every news article, magazine cover or blog just puts his name out there more. More people know who he is than would ever have by just being another contestant on AI.
    Adam is also the most secure person I have ever seen on the show. He took ridiculous risks every week. Not in a million years would anyone else have been able to pull off what he did if they didn’t have the balls and incredible talent he has.

    I can’t see anyone signing Gokey (any major) he is just beyond clueless. To me is isn’t even raw talent. Jason Castro was raw talent, he knew music and lived music. Danny has no clue about music, all he has is a pretty nice voice. There are a million people out there who have a better or just as good a voice but also have some personality and a real love and understanding of music. If he gets signed by a major I will be very surprised.
    In seasons past it is very rare for anyone outside the top 2 to get a major deal. Country artists fare better, i.e., Bucky, Pickler, etc. In todays climate there isn’t a record company in the world that is going to fork over money to someone like Danny.

    The whole text messaging-gate just proves that Idol needs to change the voting process. It is not about who America chooses, or who the best singer is, it’s about who can manipulate the technology better. The entire voting process has come down to how freaking many text votes someone can send. In the end it proves nothing. If we all had a limited number of votes to cast then in the end we could legitimately say, yeah, this person won because more people like him/her. AT & T having a monopoly on this is also really frustrating to the viewer. They are making a fortune off of the show. We like to think the public is in control of the outcome but that is far from the truth.

  • karenw

    How selfless.

    Actually, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how to feel about that since on one hand, I applaud him for finding a way to outwit the system but on the other, I find ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know if hypocritical is the right word, when heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all about being fierce on stage and courageous and phenomenal and attention-seeking, and heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“See my wings and glitter, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a motherfucking fairyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦but donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t quote me on that.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a dissonance that irks me but then again, this is for a jillion dollar contract so there are extenuating circumstances.

    Being flamboyant and all “look at me I’m fabulous” on stage doesn’t mean that he has to be as flamboyant and open about his personal life. None of the other contestant’s personal life was under the microscope as much as Adam’s so why should he encourage even more digging by revealing a boyfriend and making an even bigger circus of the whole “is he gay” thing than there was already. I don’t recall Kris’s wife or Lil’s husband being harrassed but I would put money on Adam’s boyfriend being the subject of loads of media interest .. and then Adam would be accused of getting even more press attention.

  • TKat

    zoya you’re absolutely right!

    He stated that he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t try out for idol when he was younger because he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think he could have handled the pressure. But now I guess he was ready. Even if it might be a bit overwhelming to him I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s unexpected – the media attention, talking about his sex lifeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ While from an idealists (me) standpoint nobody would care who he sleeps with, the society is just not there yet, for his career I guess such a story on the cover of the RS is a great thing. So I surely donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t feel sorry for him.

    I don’t feel sorry at all for Adam either but I do admire the strength he must have to go through this, hold up against all the projection of social issues onto him, and keep smiling and be pleasant about it all. I would be having a “Susan Boyle” outburst or two!

    And a few idiotic writers have criticized Adam for not being a good role model. As we say in Yiddish “Oy vay ist mir” which doesn’t really translate but means something like “Oh woe is me — and everyone else too!”

  • liberty

    Since the whole issue of Adam being Gay will be reveiled in the RS Mag soon, i hope a lot of you become more aware of Gay Rights in America….or lack thereof. I came across an incredibly touching video with Adam’s “Mad World” as the music. I hope you enjoy it as much as i did.

    http://vimeo.com/4903469

  • Laurie

    Sorry for this off – topic question, but I just read that Susan Boyle didn’t win Britain’s Got Talent? Is that really true? If so, Simon will have to deal with another upset.

  • KrisAllen1

    I cant believe Susan didnt win lol.I think the lesson is that if Simon is pimping you then you wont win the competition.I hope Simon learned his lesson.I bet
    he’s in a dark place that he talked about a few days ago.

  • weelassie

    Laurie
    I posted a few minutes ago that she did NOT win but I can no longer find that post. A group won. She came in second.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Okay, I haven’t read the entire thread, but I’ll chime in on Danny.

    I get that he may be inexperienced in genres of music outside his church. However, that was his CHOICE. I mean, the man is 29 freaking years old. Someone said that it’s not unexpected that a truck driver from Milwaukee wouldn’t be familiar with pop music. WTF? Milwaukee is a pretty big city. It has radio stations. What does one do when one drives a truck? I suspect one listens to the radio. If he only listed to gospel music, why is he trying out for a show that develops mainstream music artists?

    Danny is the king of excuses. When did he first try out for AI? June? July? He had MONTHS to try to get some experience in the genres that AI normally presents to the contestants. How hard is it to do a little research and find out what has cleared in the past? Not hard at all. He had months to familiarize himself with all sorts of music. No doubt he would have had to learn a song here and there, but they ALL do.

    I just see his lack of prep as arrogance. I do think he gets it now, but his newly discovered self-awareness is too little, too late for me. I don’t think he’s the spawn of satan, and watching his interview made me feel for him a little bit. That said, I’m not buying his records (if he manages to make any) and I’m not impressed with him AT ALL.

  • butte009

    Her performance is already on YouTube

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uc_GXylH_E

  • OutlandoGirl

    Re: the Danny Idolatry vidoes

    Man, is that guy a Chatty Kathy, or what?? And dull.

    Me, me, me.

    That being said, a couple of things he said were very similar to what Adam said in the sense that he just wants to make good music and not be put in a box with a specific genre lable.

    I DO give him credit for doing as well as he did despite having the musical knowledge of a 3-year-old.

  • weelassie

    OutlandoGirl
    I used to have a Chatty Kathy. :lol_wp:

  • anijsch

    He could have sought to educate himself about popular music before deciding to audition for the biggest pop music show in the world, but didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t.
    That speaks volumes to me. Confidence is one thing. This is flatout hubris. Learning about secular pop music by competing on the show?

    I totally agree. If you transfer it in your real life it is like after months the new person in your department still give you the excuse that he has a disadvantage because of his missing background knowledge.
    But that person know for month in with field he have to work and even during his time in your department he don’t seem to make efforts to catch up.

  • snuffles

    Wait, wait WAIT a minute!! Simon Cowell did NOT pimp Susan Boyle!! Nor did the show really. The video of her first performance went viral, she suddenly became an overnight worldwide sensation and the whole thing snowballed beyond everyone’s control. Even Simon Cowell could see this situation backfiring on her.

  • cay

    Allison is so cute in those pictures. I very much think she’s going to be Jive’s biggest artist. I think she is exactly who they have been looking for. She’s comfortable being 17, yet she’s got some edge and fierceness to her. She’ll be equally comfortable on Miley’s Cyrus show as singing a sex song like Slow Ride. She looks like she easily can fit in and work the social scene. She’d be a riot at parties, and I don’t see her Mom or Dad attached to her side.

    I’m so over the sexuality stuff. Adam deserves the Rolling Stone cover because he’s been the most relevant and biggest newsmaker in music for the past few months. He bought attention to music and did new things. It’s just a silly magazine. Adam, Kris and Danny got to get out some good music now. I don’t know about Adam. But I do think Allison is going to way overshadow Kris at Jive. I know they understand Kris is the tween/teen heartthrob (Archie #2), but I can’t see him singing a “Crush” song on the radio.

    Re: Susan Boyle. I think it’s clear that people don’t want the ones that get the most publicity and have the breakout talent. People do like to vote for the underdogs. (Although I’d say Susan and Adam were the real underdogs in life but the media and judges affected their win)

  • cookcricket

    Who knows? There is no error of margin, demographics etc – just a random survey.

    These are also questions we can ask about the online(?) post idol polls. No? I don’t know much of anything about them. Also, is there any way to assure those taking the polls are from the US?

  • erinnthered

    It is truly doubtful that admitting to bulemia would come under this type of clause, even if 19 didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t appreciate Katharineà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s public statement. Since Adam was clearly openly gay prior to going on AI, my guess is that this was specifically discussed before he was selected as a Semi Finalist.

    Eating disorders are always covered in morality clauses. Anything that makes the celeb look “weak” or “imperfect” is covered. Sometimes even smoking in public! Increasingly, sexual preference isn’t in those clauses – except Disney. Disney covers everything having to do with sex, and not just sexual preference. Even for Touchstone projects. Sexual preference really only becomes an issue in the morality clauses these days if you are found to be having an affair or going to a sex club, and that has more to do with “deviant” behavior than preference. If you do something like Lindsay or Portia and Ellen no one cares.

    It’s just my impression, but I agree with MJ that Adam only kept his sexuality under wraps because it had nothing to do with the contest. During the show he wanted the focus to be on his music, and after it, he wanted the focus to be on Kris. Once all that is over then he can address it. Although, like MJ, I’m not sure why he has to make an announcement. I say do it like NPH or David Hyde Pierce. Just make a one sentence statement confirming it, and go on with your life.

  • KrisAllen1

    I’m not sure Allison is signed with Jive is she? We havent heard of her with Jive.
    All we know if Kris is with Jive,Adam is with RCA.I want Allison with Jive.If they have Kris i wonder if they also wanted Allison.She would fit in that market.

    I was looking at Jive.They both would fit.Kris would fit because Jive already has nick lachey,three day grace,living things,Archie.Kris would fit with those.
    Allison would fit because they have Pink,Lesley Roy,Brittany spears.I would like them both to be with Jive.

  • LaurelG

    So he put his boyfriend in a closet, in a way. Interesting. Kinda like some people were accusing Kris of putting Katy to the side during the competition.

    Do we even know how long he’s been with this guy? Because if it’s a relatively new relationship, I can see why neither of them (Adam or the bf) would have wanted to put the relationship under the intense glare of the Idol spotlight. Didn’t Matt G. have a girlfriend? She sort of disappeared, didn’t she?

    Regarding the RS cover, why does Adam have “no business” being on the cover? Clay was on the cover 6 or 7 years ago and he was the runner up also, plus he wasn’t garnering the interest of people like Slash of the guys from Queen. (And you may argue Clay had no business being a cover boy either, but the point is, it’s not as if the magazine’s suddenly any different than it was back in 2003.) Someone also asked the rhetorical question of whether RS would have wanted Adam for the cover without the gay angle. IMO, if Adam didn’t have the gay angle, i.e. if he wasn’t gay, then he probably would have won this competition and, yes, they would have wanted him for the cover then as well.

  • karenw

    Wait, wait WAIT a minute!! Simon Cowell did NOT pimp Susan Boyle!! Nor did the show really. The video of her first performance went viral, she suddenly became an overnight worldwide sensation and the whole thing snowballed beyond everyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s control. Even Simon Cowell could see this situation backfiring on her.

    Simon was really doing some damage limitation on BGT tonight with regard to Susan Boyle. I sense that they all feel a bit guilty at having a part in all the over hype of her that has lead to a press backlash and people kind of turning on her .. which no doubt contributed to her latest outburst and things getting a bit uncomfortable for her.

    Piers Morgan is the one who’s been pimping her the most .. even today both before and during the show saying that he thinks she’ll win or deserves to win. Simon’s comments on the show tonight were more about acknowledging the pressure she’s been under and trying to push the point that she’s a really nice woman who’s had a lot to put up with since the beginning of the show.

    I’m not a big fan of Susan’s but she was very gracious in defeat and I saw a sense of relief in her that she didn’t win as I think that these past couple of weeks haven’t been any fun for her at all.

  • KrisAllen1

    I think Susan got the Adam treatment.Adam was Over-pimped,had the special effects,Simon on his side and The media up his butt.The only differance is Adam never had a bad moment.He was always pitch-perfect and always delivered.I cant say the same about Susan after her “memory” from the musica cats.

  • TKat

    Being flamboyant and all à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“look at me Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m fabulousà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on stage doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t mean that he has to be as flamboyant and open about his personal life. None of the other contestantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s personal life was under the microscope as much as Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s so why should he encourage even more digging by revealing a boyfriend and making an even bigger circus of the whole à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“is he gayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  thing than there was already. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t recall Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wife or Lilà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s husband being harrassed but I would put money on Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s boyfriend being the subject of loads of media interest .. and then Adam would be accused of getting even more press attention.

    Adam was a whole lot more flamboyant in his pre-AI life. I think it might have been great to see him preform on AI in his ultra-violet, skin-tight latex pants and over-the-knee boots with the back-up boy dancers, but not in this AI lifetime.

    And I actually think the press has been really restrained about reporting on rumors about Adam’s boyfriend — the major press outlets, even the NY Post page 6, haven’t printed any details. And EW even did the cover story with the “might be gay” subtitle. Only a few bottom-feeders (like Perez) and gay Adam fan sites have covered the details.

  • snuffles

    What happened to the cute little 12 year old boy that sang the Michael Jackson song? Where did he place?

  • sammi

    Adam’s parents signed a contract???? Do you mean the families have to sign contracts. What if a family memeber doesn’t want to sign a contract are they not going to let that person be on the show. I’m confused. :wacko_tb:

  • erinnthered

    Adam deserves the Rolling Stone cover because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been the most relevant and biggest newsmaker in music for the past few months. He bought attention to music and did new things.

    Sorry, but this is an issue for me.

    RS is not a news magazine. It’s a music magazine. Let him be on the cover of Newsweek or Time if he’s a “newsmaker.”

    Also, he has done nothing to bring attention to music as far as actual music fans are concerned. He was a reality show contestant who performed songs that were almost all at least 25 to 30 years old. Nothing he did was new either. As has been pointed out in many a thread, guys were doing this kind of thing decades ago, and he is seen as a return to that style. And not a style that is popular or hip right now. Heck, Jacob Hoggard was doing similar stuff on a much smaller budget a few years ago on Canadian Idol!

    That said, he could transition to a similar style that would be on the cusp right now, and have a critical and popular success on his hands. Jacob Hoggard started a pop punk band that is still the best selling post-CI project to date. They’ve even gotten critics in their corner. Until Adam does something like that, he has no business being on the cover of any music magazine.

    Regarding the RS cover, why does Adam have à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“no businessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  being on the cover? Clay was on the cover 6 or 7 years ago and he was the runner up as well, plus he wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t garnering the interest of people like Slash of the guys from Queen. (And you may argue Clay had no business being a cover boy either, but the point is, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not as if ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s suddenly any different than it was back in 2003.) Someone also asked the rhetorical question whether RS would have wanted Adam for the cover without the gay angle. IMO, if Adam didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have the gay angle, i.e. if he wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t gay, then he probably would have won this competition and, yes, they would have wanted him for the cover then as well.

    Clay shouldn’t have gotten it either. I’d totally forgotten. I was working in a music store at the time, and we made fun of it. Even then RS was on the way down as far credibility was concerned. Their sales were going down too, and still are. I can’t see how one time (possible) sales and loss of further cred is good for a long term business plan.

    I still don’t buy that the “gay angle” had anything to do with his loss. If it did, he’d have gone out long before second place. Kris is more mainstream and performed more current music, and that, IMHO, is why he won. YMMV, but I really do think it’s that simple.

    I do buy that the “gay angle” is why he’s getting the cover. I’m just not sure it’s a “cover story” per say. I don’t think People sells quite as much when they do their annual someone is coming out issue as they did a few years ago. It’s just not news any more, and the fact that Adam is gay couldn’t be farther from news. Like Kara, I’m not sure he was ever really in the closet to being with.

  • frogcooke

    randomness of the day…. David A tweeting about eHarmony…. LOL who would of thought….

    “so apparently eharmony commercial says they can find people you’re compatible with based on your facial features…. uh? little lost lol”

  • hypertwink

    Didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Matt G. have a girlfriend? She sort of disappeared, didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t she?

    But he did mention her at one point on air. Unlike some people. :ponder_tb:

  • KrisAllen1

    Oh Archie..I love him dearly lol.He has to have some of the most quirkest and funniest twits.He comes up random stuff.I cant wait to see his second album.
    He is coming out with a second album right? I love his first album and I dont
    get why it didnt catch on.Can someone tell me if he went gold? Platinum with his record?

  • kiwifan

    I wasn’t surprised Susan didn’t win after all the negative publicity the tabloids tried to stir up this week. After that, I was surprised she came second.

    As already mentioned, she was very gracious in defeat and Simon mentioned after the show that Susan will do all right after the show (you could see the $ signs in his eyes).

    She wasn’t my favourite, but I did feel sorry for Susan, the 1st time she smiled was when she lost.

    The dance group that won it were brilliant. Here they are for anyone who’s interested.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbEWwxZhM7U

  • KrisAllen1

    I dont think Susan will do that great with albums..atleast not here in america.
    I guess her type of music is popular in britian? She’s going to get far as Gokey will with albums.She’s not mainstream.All she really did was broadway musical
    songs.I can understand why Simon loved and pimped Adam.But really??? Danny Gokey,Lil rounds,susan??? has he lost his good ear?

  • butte009

    Sad that Diversity won… Where do they come up with their ideas? Uhhhh… try from watching America’s Best Dance Crew – Boogie Bots. BB did the Transformer bit a few series ago. And the Flawless dance crew? B.O.R.I.N.G. I’m not a fan of Susan B. but after watching those three finalists on YouTube I would have let her win so that she could perform for the Queen. The two dance crews were subpar.

  • LakesideUK

    snuffles May 30th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    What happened to the cute little 12 year old boy that sang the Michael Jackson song? Where did he place?

    Shaheen? They only give the top 3 and he wasn’t in that, so somewhere between 4th and 10th.

    I thought he was the best of the singers on the night.

  • KrisAllen1

    I think that boy who sang the MJ song should of won.Many people wont agree with him but i saw a little Lambert in him because he hit those big notes and was pitch-perfect.Simon should of saw money from looking at him.

  • TKat

    Snuffles, thanks for this comment.

    Wait, wait WAIT a minute!! Simon Cowell did NOT pimp Susan Boyle!! Nor did the show really. The video of her first performance went viral, she suddenly became an overnight worldwide sensation and the whole thing snowballed beyond everyoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s control. Even Simon Cowell could see this situation backfiring on her.

    KrisAllen1:

    I think Susan got the Adam treatment.Adam was Over-pimped,had the special effects,Simon on his side and The media up his butt.The only differance is Adam never had a bad moment.He was always pitch-perfect and always delivered.I cant say the same about Susan after her à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“memoryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  from the musica cats.

    I agree that Adam was almost always pitch-perfect and delivered week after week, but need to point out that Adam did his own production design and staging — and it was always first rate. No way Susan did that lighting design and that star light effect was so tacky.

    And IMO Susan’s second performance wasn’t too good — kinda pitchy, bad song choice and in the wrong key. I haven’t bothered to watch the third one. But if Idol was like this, we would have crowned Danny after “Hero”.

  • canuck

    Some more random thoughts on Danny’s interview

    ** Didn’t want to watch but forced myself because I don’t want to participate in being part of the denigration of a singing contestant like I know Idolatry has with Danny

    **Got a chuckle out of thinking that Michael Slezak and Danny kind of looked alike.

    **Got another chuckle thinking Danny is really why Adam did not win Idol even though Michael keeps on trying to portray Danny as a loser.

    ** Hated the interview, come-on lighten up Slezak. Still love Danny and think wow he’s come a long way.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    His mom even said she couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t talk about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s personal life.

    Right. Like I said, ALL the Idol parents sign non-disclosure agreements. All. Of. Them. This is not specific to Adam.

    It is truly doubtful that admitting to bulemia would come under this type of clause, even if 19 didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t appreciate Katharineà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s public statement. Since Adam was clearly openly gay prior to going on AI, my guess is that this was specifically discussed before he was selected as a Semi Finalist.

    I’m not sure revealing one’s sexual orientation would come under a “morals clause” either.

  • frogcooke

    YEah David A will be doing a second album. He pretty much confirmed it during an interview last week/this week? lol losing track of time here.

    He also mentioned something about a christmas album in a youtube vid soemone took while meeting him, while he was in NC the other day. but it was just a mentioning.. nothing solid.

  • smartcookie

    Re: Susan Boyle. I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s clear that people donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want the ones that get the most publicity and have the breakout talent. People do like to vote for the underdogs. (Although Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say Susan and Adam were the real underdogs in life but the media and judges affected their win)

    I heard that Diversity only won because Britain’s Got Talent sponsor Domino’s sent delivery boys with free pizzas for each and every home in Dagenham, Leytonstone and Essex where the folks inside the house would promise to power-dial for Diversity, and they had the pizza delivery boys stick around to make sure they dialed or help them if they didn’t know how. Plus, of course, there’s ten people in Diversity and Susan Boyle was all by herself, so that meant ten times as many relatives and friends who were getting the free pizza (which Domino’s did NOT provide for viewers in Scotland or provide any handsome young delivery boys bribing viewers with pizza and offering dialing help.) AND I heard that Dagenham, Leytonstone and Essex together sent in 380,000 votes out of the total one million votes cast in the finale, so poor Susan Boyle, the real underdog, (since everybody knows that the sophisticated people in Scotland have more to do and don’t vote as much as the backwards country folk in East London and Essex) was totally screwed by the improperly pizza-fueled power dialers.

    My best friend’s mother’s poodle groomer’s charwoman totally lives in Dagenham and not only got the free pizza and then sent in 10,000 times all herself, but was told by her vicar that she had better dial, dial, dial for Diversity because they’re male and cool, whereas Suan Boyle is a frumpy female and God would not want a frumpy female to win, that it was Godly people’s duty to vote anti-frump and anti-female.

    It’s all totally true. Pinky swear!

  • Tess

    I thought Julian Smith, the Saxophonist, was the best tonight….oh well I never pick um right. Susan Smith just sang her original song again…very boring and safe.

  • Ellie2

    It’s like what he talked about in Idolatry about everyone jumping to conclusions about his song arrangments when he wasn’t even given the chance to speak about them on the show. When was there a time or place for Adam to bring up his boyfriend? The show decides what monikers to put under the people in the audience, not Adam. And most of the other contestants didn’t speak about their love lives unless directly asked, like when Ryan specifically asked Anoop if there was anyone special in his life. No one ever asked that question of Adam and I sincerely doubt, knowing what we know about Adam, that Adam would have lied. He might not have given every detail, but that’s his personal, private business. Matt didn’t have to trot his significant other out to appease the masses and Adam shouldn’t have to, either.

    edit: be polite when you disagree

  • butte009

    smartcookie

    :lol_tb:

  • kiwifan

    I dont think Susan will do that great with albums..atleast not here in america.
    I guess her type of music is popular in britian? Sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to get far as Gokey will with albums.Sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not mainstream.All she really did was broadway musical

    Apparently America is where she is most in demand (go figure). Simon mentioned on the show that after all the coverage it would have been easier for her to quit the show and take up offers she had from America and it was to her credit that she carried on in the competition.

    I think Susan got the Adam treatment.Adam was Over-pimped,had the special effects,Simon on his side and The media up his butt.The only differance is Adam never had a bad moment.He was always pitch-perfect and always delivered.I cant say the same about Susan after her à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“memoryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  from the musical cats.

    I think their is a world of difference between the pressure Susan was put under with the global coverage than Adam. I also think that with his theatre background, he was also more equipped to cope with it.

    As for being pitch perfect (and I wanted him to win the finale), I have two words for you “No Boundaries”. :wink_wp:

  • LaurelG

    edit: don’t question the motives of your fellow posters

  • TKat

    RS is not a news magazine. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a music magazine. Let him be on the cover of Newsweek or Time if heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“newsmaker.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    RS is a magazine about music, entertainment and culture, and always has been. Barack Obama was on the cover in March 2008. “The Hills” in April 2008.

    As has been pointed out in many a thread, guys were doing this kind of thing decades ago, and he is seen as a return to that style. And not a style that is popular or hip right now. Heck, Jacob Hoggard was doing similar stuff on a much smaller budget a few years ago on Canadian Idol!

    Comparing Adam and Jason Hoggard just doesn’t make sense to me. Jason covered similar material but his version of “Space Oddity” is identical to Bowie arrangement — just not as good. Adam did new arrangements of songs like the electronic version of PTFMWB, or did his own take of an alternative arrangement, Dilana’s Ring of Fire, and even changed the vocals on classics like Satisfaction and WLL.

  • unique28v

    edit: this is the kind of thing that gets you banned. read my guidelines

  • erinnthered

    Adam did his own production design and staging à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  and it was always first rate.

    He seemed a bit too partial to the blue light for my tastes, but I agree that this should be highlighted. What he did is very difficult, and it takes real talent. Like Slezak, I may be waiting to buy the Kris album, but I am very definitely in line for that Adam stage show!

  • karenw

    I thought Julian Smith, the Saxophonist, was the best tonightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.oh well I never pick um right. Susan Smith just sang her original song againà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦very boring and safe.

    Most of the singers did that tonight which I thought was a bit lazy of them. Susan, Shawn, Shaheen, Julian, the grandad and grandaughter all repeated their first performances .. even Stavros Flatley used the same backing music to their Riverdance skit but just added more Irish dancers in the background.

  • Thea

    Count me in with those who think Adam should not be on the cover of RS. Despite its decline in recent years I still read the magazine and love it (ok, some parts of it). I still think being on that cover should be the reward for making a mark in rock (it’s not always the case, but it should be!)
    .
    I LOVE, adore Adam, but to me, he has not proven he deserves it YET. I mean, the guy hasn’t really even published anything yet! I’m confident he will deserve it soon, but now he would be on for the wrong reasons

  • snuffles

    I think their is a world of difference between the pressure Susan was put under with the global coverage than Adam. I also think that with his theatre background, he was also more equipped to cope with it.

    EXACTLY. Adam has spent his whole life working for and preparing for this moment. Susan LITERALLY was on overnight sensation and was completely caught off guard by the tsunami.

    Speaking of which, they’re already attaching Adam’s name to Susan Boyles loss. Looks like Adam is in for another round of massive news coverage!

    http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090530/ENT/90530035

    London à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ Adam Lambert, meet Susan Boyle.

  • jmom376

    LOL Smartcookie. That was so funny! Reminds me of a recent news article in a large US newspaper. You probably did more research than they did. I bet this will be on all of the other news outlets in a day..

  • karenw

    How long have Matt and his girfriend been together? How long have Adam and his bf been together? There are a number of variables that come into play here. It seems that youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re judging people without knowing all the facts

    I agree with you .. I have no idea how true it is but from the one article I read today about Adam’s supposed boyfriend, they’ve only been together a couple of months .. and probably for a lot of that time he’ll have been busy doing Idol stuff.

  • KrisAllen1

    I give Adam a give away with that NB song.Even the best singer in the world would sound pitchy or like crap singing that song.Its not Adam’s fault.I really
    wish it was Danny’s single.Kris and Adam both dont derserve to sing that song.

    I have to agree with whoever said Adam shouldnt be on the cover on RS.Most
    likely it wont focus on his music or his album.Its going to be a whole page on
    how he’s gay and his boyfriend.The buzz about Adam isnt about his music or
    album.Its about his sexuality.Just because somebody did great songs and
    became runner-up doesnt mean that he changed music or a genre.In fact
    we dont even know what Adam’s genre is yet.We should all wait for his album to say he’s going to change music.

  • jlc

    But thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not the real shocker. Check out what she has to say about the behind-the-scenes antics of the Idol campà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Check it out where? I don’t see anything in or near this article about what she had to say about behind the scenes antics…

    Adam’s BF: Wasn’t that him with Adam’s parents in the audience sometimes? (No, not his brother, the other guy)

  • unique28v

    If so, Simon will have to deal with another upset.

    Actually, that Pierre guy was the one that was a HUGE Susan Boyle fan. He loved her to death, and was always talking her up on tv. Not Simon.

    I think the lesson is that if Simon is pimping you then you wont win the competition.

    Really?? Tell that to Fantasia, Carrie, Jordin, and Ruben. LOL

    Simon should and will continue to be Simon.

  • JosieX

    Didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Matt G. have a girlfriend? She sort of disappeared, didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t she?

    I saw a video of him arriving at the finale after-party with a pretty dark haired girl. I think Matt’s girlfriend was shown at some point in the audience on AI, but I can’t remember it well enough to know if it was the same girl.

  • unique28v

    Isn’t that what the Internet, particularly message boards are for??? LOL

    edit: Not mine. KNOCK IT OFF

  • lola

    Long live MJ

  • jlc

    Why shouldn’t Adam be on the cover of RS? He’s news, he’s musical…what’s the prob?

  • twinklestar

    Allison is so cute in those pictures. I very much think sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to be Jiveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s biggest artist.

    Bigger than Britney Spears? Daaanggg.

  • erinnthered

    RS is a magazine about music, entertainment and culture, and always has been. Barack Obama was on the cover in March 2008. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The Hillsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    I’m not sure whether you are comparing Adam to Obama or The Hills, but I would hope the latter. It makes sense. The former is a funny example since many criticized RS for waiting too long to put him on the cover. By the time they did he was already a “safe” bet, and the impression seemed to be that they were using his image for sales rather than pointing out a cultural trend or making a real endorsement. Definitely not the RS of old. Both are example of short term magazine sales over long term business plan and another reason they are bleeding sales and credibility.

    It’s one thing to be provocative, and a 2007 Obama cover would have been right up old skool RS’s alley (They waited till mid-08). They’ve always covered politics. They didn’t always cover TV. Putting a reality show contestant who didn’t win the contest, and didn’t outsell the winner the first week, and for a story that is not revelatory is not provocative.

  • naomit

    about Danny’s interview:

    It is very hard to understand what is he saying. it is like even himself doesnt clearly know what he wants to say. and quite often he will say a few words, stop, and try to explain it in another way, which just makes me more confused…

  • KrisAllen1

    unique-I dont think they wanted Kris on the cover on RS magazine.I dont even think they wanted him to get far.I’m just saying based on how he is
    treated after the show and how he was treated on the show by TPTB.
    I think TPTB only really wanted Adam on the cover.In fact i think they
    only wanted Adam in the season lol.Kudos to him though because he derserves it.

  • lucy

    Is Adam perhaps one of the first U.S. pop/rocker types to become well known and popular while being out at the very beginning? I can’t remember any other guys like this. But if that is as rare as it seems it might be, I can see it giving them the idea that he’s worth a cover.

    The development of (apparently) a lot of people falling for a new talent in pop/rock when most can see from the outset that he’s gay? (as opposed to somebody coming out after they already have lots of fans and success, that is). If that’s their angle, then I think it could be considered newsworthy — with the newsy angle being mainly about a potentially changing American audience and a younger generation of performers who are out at the outset. Both kind of big changes, really.

    Why they had Clay on the cover is still a mystery to me, though. Anybody remember what the news hook was on that? Was Idol a big enough cultural phenomenon at that time for it to be newsworthy that a runner-up was getting more buzz than the winner?

  • KrisAllen1

    I dont remember why Clay was on RS but i can bet that it was about his new album.It wont be thaT way with Adam.Its not about Adam’s music anymore to the media.Its about Adam’s “sexuality”.I would buy the RS if it was about Adam’s album but it wont be.I dont want to read about Adam’s boyfriend.
    I want to hear about his album and how he wants to be a artist.They should
    take a lesson from Slezak.

  • Tess

    http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/clayaiken/articles/story/23218342/cover_story_new_kid_on_the_block

    A little light reading. This is the story that went with Clay’s Rolling Stone Cover.

    Enjoy

  • Niall

    I no longer have ANY Danny Gokey hate. I really lost most of it after his elimination when it became clear he was just a guy with a nice voice who was searching for a path or meaning for his life. After watching Idolatry, he seems to realize he’s in over his head in the music industry but he wants to do good in the world, even though he’s not entirely able to communicate how he will do it.

    Danny seems to be a good hearted guy who is a bit shell shocked by his exposure to the “real world” outside of the church. He needs somebody with clout to take him by the hand and say “you will be a contemporary CHRISTIAN singer. Here are 12 songs. Here is your producer. Do everything he tells you to do.” Danny has to come to terms with the fact that he doesn’t know enough to run the show. Hopefully, for his sake, that person comes along. I worry about his future if he’s unable to make some of his “pie in the sky” dreams a reality.

  • Laurie

    smartcookie – You win for best post of the day! LOL!

  • saga

    It wont be thaT way with Adam. Its not about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music anymore to the media. Its about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“sexualityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    Huh, the article hasn’t been published yet so how do we know? I find this a really bad atempt to equate Adam with his sexuality. I don’t think the media is only interested in his sexual orientation, I think we’re overanalyzing the whole thing.

  • frogcooke

    New blog from David A:
    http://davidarchuletanetwork.ning.com/profiles/blogs/2432637:BlogPost:1058140

    Hey folks! I just wanted to let you know about my week really quick, and I’ll really try to not make it so long this time lol.
    (long post is long. frog edit)

    So watching the show, we sat in our seats for Paramore’s set.. but moved to the side of the stage for No Doubt’s set. It was a really good show though. Paramore was another really cool group of people. I couldn’t believe that they’re the same age as me! It’s always neat to be able to talk to people your age in the industry who go through the same things you do.
    (awww he gets to talk to peeps his age, talk em up davey)

    I always hear about all these horror stories and jerks out there, but it seems like all these people that I run into and meet are totally laid back and friendly. Even people that I hear rumors about, so don’t always believe rumors you guys. Rumors are nasty things haha.
    (maybe your mood is just catchy David.. Its hard to not be nice when you are a ball of sunshine)

    I have learned that I am not that great of a chef haha. I actually like almost caught myself on fire, but it was fun!
    (like omigosh! like no way??? haha random use of ‘like’)

    I went to NYC to perform at the PC Richards Theater for Z100 contest winners. It was a small theater, not that many people since you had to win to get in, and I loved it! I felt so comfortable up there and had a blast. Have to thank everyone for coming for that! It’s probably one of my favorite shows I’ve ever done just because it was so laid-back and I got to interact with everyone there. Fun stuuufff.
    (awww glad you had a fun time! THe interview portion was funny! Dont stop being your spacey self lol lol Keep bringing the funny)

    more at link

  • KrisAllen1

    Kris isnt getting treated well.To be fair neither is Adam.This has to be the one year where the winner and runner-up have it bad.Between Kris being called the upset winner left and right and people saying he only won because ofAT&T at voting parties.Adam is also getting treated unfair with the sexuality pressure to come out.I think the media should chill with both stories.

  • mac

    He seemed a bit too partial to the blue light for my tastes

    Me thinks he had been talking with Terry the Assistant Light Technician too much! :laugh_tb:

  • erinnthered

    http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/clayaiken/articles/story/23218342/cover_story_new_kid_on_the_block

    A little light reading. This is the story that went with Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Rolling Stone Cover.

    Enjoy

    LOL. I remember that we were all sad for Lou Reed that he had to get a mention on that cover. Looking back, I feel for Jack Johnson too. I didn’t like him at the time, but I’ve come to like him. Whatever did happen to Michelle Branch? She wasn’t a bad pop singer-writer.

  • clearone

    It wont be thaT way with Adam. Its not about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music anymore to the media. Its about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“sexualityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    Huh, the article hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t been published yet so how do we know? I find this a really bad atempt to equate Adam with his sexuality. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think the media is only interested in his sexual orientation, I think weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re overanalyzing the whole thing

    Well, to be honest, other than a very few in the media, they’ve all been way more interested in Adam’s sexuality than his music. It’s pathetic. I’m fully expecting RS to focus on it an that would be a damn shame for Adam…..because while the cover would be good exposure for him, if it’s focused on his sexuality rather than him as an artist, he runs the risk of becoming more of a pop culture icon than a rock n roll star. See, I have zippo confidence in his publicist, Roger W. sticking up for his client and it does worry me how Adam is going to be presented in RS.

  • snuffles

    They put Ruben Studdard on the cover a few months later. Didn’t sell nearly as well.

  • weareallinnocent

    http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/clayaiken/articles/story/23218342/cover_story_new_kid_on_the_block

    A little light reading. This is the story that went with Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Rolling Stone Cover.

    Enjoy

    LOL. I remember that we were all sad for Lou Reed that he had to get a mention on that cover. Looking back, I feel for Jack Johnson too. I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like him at the time, but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve come to like him. Whatever did happen to Michelle Branch? She wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t a bad pop singer-writer.

    Funny (actually not) the worst part about that cover for me was the bottom right corner reminded me how we’ve been at war in Iraq since as far back as Clay’s AI year… :-(

  • Niall

    So watching the show, we sat in our seats for Paramoreà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s set.. but moved to the side of the stage for No Doubtà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s set. It was a really good show though. Paramore was another really cool group of people. I couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe that theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re the same age as me!

    That’s because they really aren’t. You got stuck at 12 while everyone else grew up and started thinking/acting like an adult. Now, go get a nice glass of milk and sit and watch a few cartoons. *pats DA on the head*

  • karenw

    I dont remember why Clay was on RS but i can bet that it was about his new album.It wont be thaT way with Adam.Its not about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music anymore to the media.Its about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“sexualityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .I would buy the RS if it was about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album but it wont be.I dont want to read about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s boyfriend.
    I want to hear about his album and how he wants to be a artist.They should
    take a lesson from Slezak.

    If I remember rightly when Clay was on the cover there was very little about his album, it was just touched on briefly, the fact that he was in the process of recording one.

    The whole article was more about his childhood and growing up .. his mother splitting up from his natural father and remarrying

    Edit .. I see someone’s posted the actual article .. so you can see that it wasn’t really about his new album. I sense that Adam’s will be the same .. more about him, his childhood, his time in Hollywood trying to make it, his AI “journey” .. and of course his sexual orientation.

  • linsav

    karenw May 30th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    How long have Matt and his girfriend been together? How long have Adam and his bf been together? There are a number of variables that come into play here. It seems that youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re judging people without knowing all the facts

    I agree with you .. I have no idea how true it is but from the one article I read today about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s supposed boyfriend, theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve only been together a couple of months .. and probably for a lot of that time heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll have been busy doing Idol stuff.

    Even Kris’s WIFE told him not to let people know he was married for pete’s sake! They are newlyweds and what is the first thing that Kris said he told her when he won and Katy could get to him “Now I can be a husband.” They rarely spent much time together and they are married! Same for Lil and her husband and three kids.

    Adam did say that friends could pick them up from the mansion but they had a curfew which was 10:00 pm. Also that days had set routines, rehearsals, him meeting and planning his stage end of it, shopping, etc. I understand from friends in Hollywood the relationship started recently, they are still getting to know each other albeit more by phone calls and texting. It is not like the longer relationship that he had with Brad that was out there. Why talk about a relationship in the beginning stages?

  • saga

    I don’t think they have been focusing more on his sexuality than his music. First of all, he doesn’t have an album out yet so all they can ask is what kind of album he will make. And that they have asked. Also there has been a lot of talk about Queen and Slash, and that was a major buzz till Adam answered those questions. There has been a lot of media coverage of Adam and it seems like the topic of that covering goes in waves, but only his sexuality? No.

    Heh, it’s more like they run out of every other topic but they still want more of him and this is the only one left…

  • TKat

    Regarding Adam not deserving to be on the cover of Rolling Stone Magazine because he doesn’t have an album yet —

    I think that Adam deserves that cover because it will sell magazines and because Adam represents part of an important cultural change in America. Plus, I can’t think of any better magazine to cover his “answer’ to the “big question”.

    Since Rolling Stone magazine was founded in 1967, it has embraced and reported on left-leaning causes — Anti-War movements, Environmentalism, Feminism, Abortion and Gay Rights among others. Jann Wenner, the founder and owner, is publicly gay and an ardent supporter of gay civil rights.

    So what cultural change does Adam represent? Most Amercians didn’t care that he was gay.

    For years the gay community has been responsible for the initial popularity of a number of stars from Bette Midler and Madonna (in NY) to Katy Perry and Lady Gaga (in California). But gay artists were not treated well by the American Media and fans. Until the AIDS crisis, most gay celebrities were forced to deny they were gay. What would Rock Hudson’s career have been like if there was a magazine article saying he was gay in 1958?

    But Adam turned the tables on everything — and remained popular — and that makes him newsworthy in the music business. A gay performer who was somewhat flamboyant and did an eclectic mix of music you could see in a West LA Gay Club (albeit he toned it down a lot), became popular on American Idol, a show with a Southern and Mid-Western skew, and a very Middle Class audience. Even if his performances didn’t seem so new to people who were very aware of what was going on in alt. music, they were completely new to most AI views. Frankly, how many AI viewers ever heard of Dilana, Gary Jules or Muse before Adam covered their arrangements? Personally, I will never forget the first time I saw Adam perform Ring of Fire — I actually couldn’t believe that performance was on AI.

  • TylerWV

    A poster above asked whatever happened to MIchelle Branch. She and
    Jessica Harp formed a country duo called the Wreckers in 2005. They were doing very well and nominated for some country awards. Jessica Harp quit the duo to marry. Not sure if Michelle stayed in country or went back to pop.

  • KrisAllen1

    Maybe its just me.The rumor about Slash/Queen working him only lasted a week then it was old news.There been nothing about Adam other than
    whether he’s gay or not.Maybe im not reading all the articles? what else
    has there been about Adam these days other than him coming out?
    Its sad,pathetic and annoying but its the cold truth.

  • jlc

    about Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s interview:

    It is very hard to understand what is he saying. it is like even himself doesnt clearly know what he wants to say. and quite often he will say a few words, stop, and try to explain it in another way, which just makes me more confusedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Exactly. I have never heard someone talk so much, yet say so little. He needs to take some voice lessons as well as join Toastmasters to learn how to speak in public.
    I don’t hate Danny (that word sure gets thrown out a lot around here)–never did. I just don’t like him. He’s uninteresting and tiresome to listen to and while he can sing okay sometimes, he’s inconsistant and needs training. I can sing too, but I would never go on AI, especially if I was totally clueless about mainstream music genres. Granted, he finished third, but I still haven’t figured out why. Popularity? Probably. Singing ability? Can’t fathom it. There were several who were much better.
    I wish Danny good luck & a happy life, but when I read some article about his “foundation” and how he won’t be doing anything hands on with it, but instead assign others to that and just sing to bring people’s attention to it, I have to question his motives and sincerity. Actually, I think he thinks he’s sincere…mores the pity.

  • erinnthered

    Funny (actually not) the worst part about that cover for me was the bottom right corner reminded me how weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been at war in Iraq since as far back as Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s AI yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ :-(

    I saw that too, but I didn’t want to get too political since I was already being a shit stirrer. Very sad.

    ETA:

    A poster above asked whatever happened to MIchelle Branch. She and
    Jessica Harp formed a country duo called the Wreckers in 2005. They were doing very well and nominated for some country awards. Jessica Harp quit the duo to marry. Not sure if Michelle stayed in country or went back to pop.

    Thanks! That explains it. I’m not a huge country fan. Why would you have to leave a group to get married?

    I just looked her up on that bastion of truth, Wikipedia, and apparently she is staying country. Too bad. She did do a recent duet with Chris Isaak though. I loved the first single, and have been meaning to check out his album. That’s something, then.

  • linsav

    clearone May 30th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    It wont be thaT way with Adam. Its not about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music anymore to the media. Its about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“sexualityà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    Huh, the article hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t been published yet so how do we know? I find this a really bad atempt to equate Adam with his sexuality. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think the media is only interested in his sexual orientation, I think weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re overanalyzing the whole thing

    Well, to be honest, other than a very few in the media, theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve all been way more interested in Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sexuality than his music. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pathetic. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m fully expecting RS to focus on it an that would be a damn shame for Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..because while the cover would be good exposure for him, if ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s focused on his sexuality rather than him as an artist, he runs the risk of becoming more of a pop culture icon than a rock n roll star. See, I have zippo confidence in his publicist, Roger W. sticking up for his client and it does worry me how Adam is going to be presented in RS.

    Well, Green Day’s Billie Joe Armstrong has been proclaiming since 1995 in articles that he is bisexual (and he is married to a female) and Fallout Boy’s Pete Wentz has said publicly for a few years that he is sexually attracted to men but did nothing more than kiss because he is not into the p***s thing.

    So, I don’t see how it can hurt Adam that much. And if I am wrong and it does hurt him do you think that the possibility of him joining Queen fulltime would not become a reality? I’m just sayin’…what Queen had a problem with Freddie Mercury???

  • Tess

    erinnthered …. I just took a little memory walk through the covers of Rolling Stone and it was so very interesting. Didn’t count or anything, just a brief look through but my impression was that the last few years there are many covers that were as much about pop culture as about musicianship. You find a sprinkling of “current” head lines, old foggie remembrances (any Artist over 50 is an old foggie because they were basically from my era) movie stars and movie roles, and then a handful of current Artists.

    If I were to qualify “Rolling Stone” based on the covers I looked at it would be more about pop culture than music. Take a look…it’s a fun trip.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/gallery/9117921/2006_rolling_stone_covers/photo/7

    ETA: Thanks for giving me the impetous to look this stuff up….I love getting re-educated as well as educated.

  • Lisa

    Rolling Stone liked Adam from the first and had a couple of different articles about him. Why should they not have him on the cover? AI did not pay them to do it, lol. puhlease.

    *hums* “wanna see my smilin face on the cover of the Rolling Stone.”

  • hypertwink

    Frankly, how many AI viewers ever heard of Dilana, Gary Jules or Muse before Adam covered their arrangements?

    Other contestants before Adam have introduced the TV audience to different non-mainstream artists that they might not know – Daughtry, Blake Lewis, Chris Sligh, the Davids…

  • Chipmunk

    Gokeyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s situation is that there is a talent such as his in every town and village across America. With nothing unique to offer a label, why would one invest in just another really good but indistinct voice? Why take on a voice will require training and adaptation when there are competent finished artists ready to sign?

    Well then, I’d describe Kris Allen as exactly the same……1000 coffee bars across america and you’d meet his type. So on that premise, if Allen can get a recording contract, so should Gokey!

    The interview wasnt bad at all.I must remember to just watch these things before I read comments…he came across as intense but not ba at all. And Slezak’s been a prick with Gokey all season, so I admire Danny for his conduct during the interview if nothing else.I still cant stand the douche though!

  • KrisAllen1

    For anyone who is saying that Kris fans are bitter about Adam being on the cover and not Kris? I was upset when i first heard but i got over it I’m kinda happy that Kris wont be on there.If Kris is ever on a magazine it would be about his music and not about his sexuality.Plus,Kris will have to work to be known as a worthy winner and not as a upset winner.Its how i see it as a Kris fan.

    Even if the RS isnt all about Adam being gay you can bet a large part of it will be about that.

  • Calliope

    I am not worried about Adam’s Rolling Stone article (if it pans out) since Rob Sheffield (someone I don’t always agree with, but respect his writing and musical tastes in general) already wrote a rather good article about Adam, so I can see it being done quite well. If not… eh, it happens. Either way, most people still win: Rolling Stone sells more mags, Adam gets more press and the people clamouring for more Adam get it.

  • Chipmunk

    So the RS cover or Lambert may be happening? I hope its a good article that doesnt focus too much on the gayness.Awesome stuff, cant wait

  • cwg509

    TKat, love your post!

  • jlc

    Slezakà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been a prick with Gokey all season,

    Actually, it was Kristen, not Slezak, who was so hard on Danny. Sleazak actually gave him a few props over the season. They also dissed many others at times, including Adam.

  • KrisAllen1

    I dont take Slezak seriously.He’s all fun when he gives his reviews and interviews.He also hard on Kris,Anoop,Lil and Matt I think.He adored
    Allison thats the only one he wasnt hard on.

  • Chipmunk

    Rolling Stone sells more mags, Adam gets more press and the people clamouring for more Adam get it.

    ]

    Sounds good enough to me.Made of much win

  • unique28v

    Actually, it was Kristen, not Slezak, who was so hard on Danny. Sleazak actually gave him a few props over the season. They also dissed many others at times, including Adam.

    Oh yeah. They definitely dissed Adam. That one woman (jessica?) called Adam a drag and said he was creepy and Kristen called him a douche. Idolatry was for Allison though. Everyone knows that.

    Regarding Danny, I like Danny and I liked his Idolatry video. I hope he gets to record his album like he wants.

  • Layla

    I do have to give Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ fans a WTG for mostly staying out of the fray.

    And I call bulshit. I have found anti-Adam comments from Kris fans all over the internet. A lot of those comments are stated under the guise of left-handed compliments or out and out statements that they were glad the underdog won and the the one who was pimped among other unkind things. Kris fans don ¨’t deserve a bloody halo any more than Adam’s fans deserve to be demonized.

    There are fantaical extreme fans of them both.

    And I am so sick to DEATH of hearing that Adam was pimped and as a fuck you to the judges, people are glad Kris won.

    How the fuck is it Adam’s fault that he gave great performances and the judges (for the most part) really liked them or thought they were great?

    I don’t find it surprising at all that Adam will be on the cover of Rollinstone. He has been performing for years and has a body of work you tubed to death- as well as the massive number of google hits he gets. His “album” of Idol performances is selling like crazy. There has NEVER been another idol contestant like him- plus he is oh-so-purty, very sexy, charming, witty and articulate….and he is gay.

    So hell yeah he is news and very popular and in many ways overshadowing the winner. The interest is THERE! If people were not interested there would not be the incredible buzz surrounding him…why shouldn’t Adam capitalize on this exposure?

    If Kris fans get pissy because Adam is still hot news, well tough bananas.

  • butte009

    Well then, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d describe Kris Allen as exactly the sameà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦1000 coffee bars across america and youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d meet his type. So on that premise, if Allen can get a recording contract, so should Gokey!

    Haa!!! Chipmonk you’re too funny. :lol_tb:

    Kris Won… :king_tb:

    Gokey “Dream On” :flush_tb:

  • KrisAllen1

    I think Adam was by far the only one to derserve the over-pimping.I was always WTF with the Danny and Lil pimping.I think if anyone put effort
    like Adam did with lighting,stunts,dry ice then they would of gotten the same respect from the judges.People can say that Adam was over-pimped but he put effort into those performances.

  • cookcricket

    Nah. It doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make sense that the show à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“pushedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  for Adam to be on the cover. They would want Kris on the cover first as the winner. Especially this year when so many people donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think the results were legit.

    A winner does not #1 priority make. S5=prime example.

    I would not lump Kris and Archie as the same as some have mentioned above. No, I don’t see Kris singing “Crush”.

    My hope is that Jive will play to Kris’s obvious and appealing strengths.

  • Chipmunk

    I do have to give Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ fans a WTG for mostly staying out of the fray.

    And I call bulshit.

    Let me up you one and call it utter fucking BS . Nut jobs and fanatics exist in every fan base. Allen fans arent exempt

  • erinnthered

    erinnthered à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦. I just took a little memory walk through the covers of Rolling Stone and it was so very interesting. Didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t count or anything, just a brief look through but my impression was that the last few years there are many covers that were as much about pop culture as about musicianship. You find a sprinkling of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“currentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  head lines, old foggie remembrances (any Artist over 50 is an old foggie because they were basically from my era) movie stars and movie roles, and then a handful of current Artists.

    So, you just proved my point. I’m not sure what you meant to show from this. The point I was making is that RS has been in a long, slow slide into oblivion, and stunts like putting Adam on the cover haven’t helped them. All your post does is point out more of the same.

    Frankly, how many AI viewers ever heard of Dilana, Gary Jules or Muse before Adam covered their arrangements? Personally, I will never forget the first time I saw Adam perform Ring of Fire à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  I actually couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe that performance was on AI.

    First off, Mad World is by Tears For Fears. It breaks my heart that people still don’t know that. Gary Jules couldn’t lick Curt Smith’s boots clean.

    Second, I love that AI introduces people to new music. As someone pointed out above, many contestants have done this in the past. I still fail to see how TV appeal translates into music fan appeal. The people who watch AI are not the demographic RS is going for with their sales.

    As far as Ring of Fire…I totally respect Adam’s cover, stylistically. I do. I also firmly believe Cash would have appreciated it even if he didn’t like it – and I’m not saying he wouldn’t have, just that he would have respected it either way. It was still just a cover, and not even an original version of a cover. It was not some seminal moment in the history of music, or even television. Not worthy of any magazine cover. A short mention in EW or TV Guide, sure, but that’s all.

    Talking about Mad World or Tracks of My Tears, or Kris Ain’t No Sunshine or Heartless is more relevant to the direction of competition, but even those weren’t worthy of any magazine cover…unless Kanye wants to drag Kris and The Fray along for a cover article about covers. That could be pretty cool, and actually relevant!

    Either way, most people still win: Rolling Stone sells more mags, Adam gets more press and the people clamouring for more Adam get it.

    Here’s a thought…what if Adam doesn’t sell that many issues? Like I said before, AI people are not RS’s demographic, and Adam isn’t exactly burning up the music charts. Not to mention the “non-story” cover story. Wouldn’t both the magazine and Adam be hurt if it doesn’t sell? They need more than just the hard core Glamberts out there buying the mag to make it a success.

  • anna in vegas

    you should go to broadway or local theatre.They have plenty of Lamberts waiting to be discovered.

    Is this a joke KrisAllen1? If you are serious, I will go to these places with you and we will look for another Adam. Surely you jest!

  • Sydia

    In the end…Kris will be one of the most successful mainstream idols. Why? He has a fanbase, that is not as OTT and Archie, Clay, Taylor, Cook, and Adam. He will climb the charts because he will acquire new fans that are interested in his music. What do I know right? I hate admitting this but our “love” for our idols is as good as it is bad. I love Cook. He is my idol. I am going to see him in concert with my two daughters. The only reason I am attending the concert of a 26 year old rocker is because I know that as a 45 year old mom I won’ stick out like a sore thumb. So far, from what I have heard from Adam’s original music, I probably wouldn’t be into his music either. I enjoy him now because I saw him sing great cover songs on idol.

  • KrisAllen1

    After Gokey’s scream will anyone take him seriously? I doubt it.He screwed him his career just from one song.

  • lola

    What’s the problem if Adam gets on the cover before Kris? It happened before. So I don’t see the point. Everything is business. If it doesn’t sell, its their problem, not Adam’s problem. Adam is just enjoying the attention as much as Kris does.

  • jlc

    Also, he has done nothing to bring attention to music as far as actual music fans are concerned. He was a reality show contestant who performed songs that were almost all at least 25 to 30 years old. Nothing he did was new either.

    It wasn’t the songs he did that brought attention to him, it was how he did them and that he was doing it on AI. It was his energetic and fearless performance style that drew attention, (and to some extent, to the narrow-minded and curious, his “maybe gay-ness”). All AI contestants do cover songs, old & new. Its what they do with them that makes the difference. No one else surprised us every week like Adam did. We never knew from week to week whether he’d be rockin’ it out or pulling it back with a ballad–and his voice and range are incredilble no matter which. Even his hair styles changed almost as often as Lil’s. He was (is) exciting to watch and listen to and I find that very new, especially for AI.
    Adam IS news and Adam sings and performs his ass off–not to mention he’s smart, sexy, intelligent, articulate, hilarious, and gorgeous. He completely deserves to be on the cover of RS.
    Besides, he’s just so damn cool.

    oh, and I am an “actual music fan”.

  • Chipmunk

    Haa!!! Chipmonk youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re too funny.

    Kris Wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Gokey à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Dream Onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Yep, so did RUben Studdard, so did Taylor Hicks :mrgreen_wp:

    So are you with me? Gokey is equally deserving of a contract :tongue1_tb:

  • TKat

    Other contestants before Adam have introduced the TV audience to different non-mainstream artists that they might not know – Daughtry, Blake Lewis, Chris Sligh, the Davidsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    I was just referring to introducing new artists, it’s also the style of music I was referring to. In my opinion, Adam pushed the envelope a lot more than any of these idols.

    Here’s my take, for what it’s worth. Please let me know what I missed.

    David C. – I’ll agree with you that most people probably hadn’t heard of Our Lady Peace “Innocent”, but this song and the performance was like a lot of other popular music.

    David A. – All his selections were mainstream and so were the arrangements.

    Daughtry: All of his song choices were well know songs. The least known was probably Fuel, but they had already be nominated for a Grammy. And Seether had already had a #1 single and #1 album. Just to make sure my memory was n’t failing me, I just replayed every Daughtry performance. I like him a lot but he used very traditional material and arrangements. He even used the original Elvis arrangement on “Suspicious Minds”.

    Chris Sligh: I agree Chris Sligh did cover three songs that people might not have heard, but there was nothing alternative about them. He did an AC arrangement of Mute Math’s “Typical”, and pretty straight forward covers of Ray LaMontagne’s “Trouble” (Folk-Rock) and dc Talk’s “Wanna Be Loved” (Christian Rock).

    Blake: He did one unusual song, “Virtual Insanity” by Jamiroquai. But then proceeded to do songs from major artists.

  • Calliope

    Hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a thoughtà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦what if Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sell that many issues? Like I said before, AI people are not RSà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s demographic, and Adam isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t exactly burning up the music charts. Not to mention the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“non-storyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  cover story. Wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t both the magazine and Adam be hurt if it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sell? They need more than just the hard core Glamberts out there buying the mag to make it a success.

    AI are people are not RS’s demographics, so placing Adam on the cover is not going to hurt their sales: people who normally don’t buy it would buy it, which helps their sales. Maybe it would deter your average RS reader, but maybe not. Honestly, I live in a musically snobby area and I don’t see them buying RS anyway.

    Adam is a hot media commodity right now. I work at a place that sells magazines and the EW with Adam FLEW off the shelves. It came out at 9am and by noon there weren’t any left. This hype might come back to bite Adam eventually, but for now it’s what is happening. Adam’s google trends, hits, etc. show that people find him rather newsworthy. I doubt it is just the hardcore Glamberts making Adam the media buzz he is right now, so I can see why RS are following this money trail (plus, they have been rather complimentary to him already). If it doesn’t sell? It doesn’t sell. I don’t see how more press will hurt Adam, nor will Rolling Stone lose cred since it already had Clay on the cover and the magazine isn’t exactly the epitome of hipster cred.

  • jlc

    omg…Kris is so much more talented than Gokey.

  • frogcooke

    “David A. – All his selections were mainstream and so were the arrangements.”

    well there was that one theme park performance people didnt seem to know about..

  • butte009

    Yes. I’m still with you Chipmunk.

    Kris won… he deserves a contract as the winner.

    What pray tell did Gokey win?

    Normund Gentle will outsell Gokey. :clap_tb:

  • lola

    For all we know, it might be Allison who will have more sales than Adam or Kris. She covers all mainstreams. For Kris fans, he will be the most successful. For Adam fans, he will be a superstar. “If you don’t like the other guy’s record then go buy the other.”

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    RE: Adam deserving the cover of RS. I have no issue with it. Why not? The magazine’s focus has always been on pop culture, music and politics. I would say what’s going on with Adam covers all three of those hot topics right now. Sure, he hasn’t proven himself as a recording artist yet, but there’s promise. His being on the cover is also consistent with past covers.

    I can’t really comment on RS’s supposed decline or its business model. I’m not privy to their circulation stats, although I could probably look them up. I can say they still publish some great articles. I will also point out that maybe the market isn’t that hot for music magazines in general now. Blender folded, and Paste (which I love) is begging for donations. Maybe RS’ business model is just fine.

    As a fan, I don’t see Adam being on the RS cover as a bad thing. I hope it’s a boost for him.

  • KrisAllen1

    Ruben and Taylor werent mainstream.Neither was Fantasia.Kris is differant then those idols.He is mainstream.He fits in with today’s music.Gokey doesnt even fit with what’s on the radio.There are producers saying how they dontthink he can make albums.

    If Gokey gets a contract then Allison doesnt I will scream.Allison deserves it more.how come we heard that Gokey will get a contract but we didnt hear about Allison?

  • Layla

    What Calliope said.

  • justshootme

    I am not understanding this view of RS as some sort of OMG gauge of musical relevance. It’s a freaking entertainment magazine. They’ve had the cast of the Hills and Gossip Girl on their cover. It’s not like it’s some sort of sacrilege to have Adam Lambert on there. Geesh.

    ETA

    unique28v: I just hope they took some good pictures. Adam can be very photogetic when he wants to be. :)

    This^^^ Shallow bitch that I am, my main concern is that it’s a flattering photo.

  • butte009

    Allison had better get a contract before Gokey.

    I so wish it had been a Kradison Top 3. :glurps_tb:

  • astolat

    I still donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t buy that the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“gay angleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  had anything to do with his loss. If it did, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d have gone out long before second place. Kris is more mainstream and performed more current music, and that, IMHO, is why he won. YMMV, but I really do think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s that simple.

    I think it’s too simple to say the gay angle didn’t have anything to do with his loss. I think it was the Newsday blogger who posted about having to clear off piles of hate speech comments on every Adam post, most typically (when identified) from Danny fans. I certainly saw nonstop hate messages about Adam in every unmoderated forum, and this is online, where the population is by far more socially liberal than offline.

    Kris was handicapped by having mostly the weakest voice of the Top 4. Also he pretty much worked in a single genre & never really stepped outside that box, and when he did (ASWTDID, Rock week), he flopped. Last year, Archie basically ran that same pattern, and despite doing amazingly in the finale lost by a landslide to Cook, who had turned in a series of moments over the course of the season, worked in multiple genres, and shown originality within the contest. Why the flip?

    Don’t get me wrong, I think a bunch of things went into the reversal this year, including the underdog effect, the perfect timing of Kris’s huge moment with Heartless and the bad timing of Adam’s rough night with One and Cryin’, Kris’s more contemporary genre (singer-songwriter versus Archie’s balladeer), Adam’s more polarizing style, and the regional effect.

    But that doesn’t mean the anti-gay vote had no effect just because there are other factors. In many states, people have gotten up and driven to the polls to vote in person so gay people couldn’t get married, and you really think none of those people would bother to make some toll-free calls from their couch to keep a gay man from becoming the American Idol? People who will make angry phone calls to networks and the FCC and boycott advertisers over moral issues?

    The fact that Adam made it to the finale while being out in all but three-little-words formality is definitely a sign that things have gotten better, but better is a far cry from over. The finale was the first time anyone could effectively vote against him and it was the emotionally significant moment.

  • erinnthered

    It wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the songs he did that brought attention to him, it was how he did them and that he was doing it on AI. It was his energetic and fearless performance style that drew attention, (and to some extent, to the narrow-minded and curious, his à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“maybe gay-nessà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ). All AI contestants do cover songs, old & new. Its what they do with them that makes the difference. No one else surprised us every week like Adam did. We never knew from week to week whether heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be rockinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ it out or pulling it back with a balladà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and his voice and range are incredilble no matter which. Even his hair styles changed almost as often as Lilà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s. He was (is) exciting to watch and listen to and I find that very new, especially for AI.
    Adam IS news and Adam sings and performs his ass offà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’not to mention heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s smart, sexy, intelligent, articulate, hilarious, and gorgeous. He completely deserves to be on the cover of RS.
    Besides, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just so damn cool.

    I really do appreciate your opinion, but your opinion is one of a contestant on a TV show. Not a musician. He drew attention to TV fans, and fans of that TV show, and fans of celebrity (like Perez). Other contestants have drawn those kinds of comparisons before. Starting with Clay, then Bo, Taylor, Blake, and last year with David Cook. It’s wonderful that Adam has also been able to gain the kind of love and respect that some of those other contestants did during their run, but it has to be separated from musical respect.

    Once most of those contestants released albums it was a different experience altogether. Most were pretty universally panned. I think Taylor may have gotten a few positive reviews, but none major. I know Blake and Cook got a few more, but not many. The fact is that this next phase of his career is going to be different. The people judging him have a very different standard, and an automatically negative view of anyone coming off of this show. TBH, there’s a good reason for it. There have been very few critically worthy albums from AI alums. Ironically, probably the best received was Diana DeGarmo’s.

    We don’t know what kind of album Adam will release yet, and it may not be the Next. Big. Thing!

  • KrisAllen1

    Thst’s why im worried for Allison.Kris has Jive so i fear that they didnt get Allison.

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    Follow them or I ban you.

    My blog is NOT the scary boards. It is NOT IDF. If you are used to posting in those places, you MUST read my guidelines.

    I don’t tolerate:

    Endless fanwars
    Rudeness
    Hypersensitivity to criticism of your favorite–if you don’t like the “negativity” go back to your fanboard
    NO lecturing
    NO fingerwagging
    DO NOT question the motives of your posters or put words in their mouths.
    A couple of posters here are on the cusp of being banned.

  • Layla

    Once most of those contestants released albums it was a different experience altogether. Most were pretty universally panned. I think Taylor may have gotten a few positive reviews, but none major. I know Blake and Cook got a few more, but not many. The fact is that this next phase of his career is going to be different. The people judging him have a very different standard, and an automatically negative view of anyone coming off of this show. TBH, thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a good reason for it. There have been very few critically worthy albums from AI alums. Ironically, probably the best received was Diana DeGarmoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s.

    Do you think that we do not know this? The same can be said of Kris. Neither is there a guarantee that he will be successful.

  • TKat

    First off, Mad World is by Tears For Fears. It breaks my heart that people still donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know that. Gary Jules couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t lick Curt Smithà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s boots clean.

    Of course I know that Mad World was originally by Tears for Fears, but Adam covered the Gary Jules Danny Darko version.

    Hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a thoughtà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦what if Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sell that many issues? Like I said before, AI people are not RSà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s demographic, and Adam isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t exactly burning up the music charts. Not to mention the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“non-storyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  cover story. Wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t both the magazine and Adam be hurt if it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sell? They need more than just the hard core Glamberts out there buying the mag to make it a success.

    The EW Adam cover sold out. I had to work really hard to get some extra copies for one of my clients buys ads in the mag. They told me they never saw anything like it — people were stealing magazines from mailboxes.

    I’m certain that RS Adam cover will do fine. How many people are going to cancel their subscription because he’s on the cover? And a lot of Adam fans will buy it. I am not sure what percentage of Adam’s fanbase are actually AI people, but there are a lot of Adam fans. And a few of us are RS subscribers, AI fans and Adam fans.

    RS subscribers – 1,334,553 copies
    RS newstand – 134,660 copies

    You really don’t think they’ll sell 100,000 copies of an Adam cover?

    Finally, RS occassionally does some great reporting. It’s possible that they will print a real story. They managed to do a great cover store on Obama in March 2008 when it seemed there was nothing new to say. So I will withhold judgment until I read it.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Dial back the anger, peeps. The condescension too.

  • anna in vegas

    As for being pitch perfect (and I wanted him to win the finale), I have two words for you à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“No Boundariesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    I respectfully disagree here, even considering the song. I am now going to my studio version and listening again. The more I listen to Adam’s the more I like it best, but then it’s no secret I am a grandma fangirl, lol :surrender_tb:

  • frogcooke

    “Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s because they really arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t. You got stuck at 12 while everyone else grew up and started thinking/acting like an adult. Now, go get a nice glass of milk and sit and watch a few cartoons. *pats DA on the head*”

    right……. :rolleyes_tb:

  • seeker

    MJ I hope you can find a video of Kris Allen on Huckabe (on fox tonight) to post cause their performance together of Yesterday was awesome!

  • snuffles

    The EW Adam cover sold out. I had to work really hard to get some extra copies for one of my clients buys ads in the mag. They told me they never saw anything like it à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  people were stealing magazines from mailboxes.

    Me and my local news stand vendor need to have a talk. Gotta make sure he puts a copy aside for me. Luckily he’s well aware of my Lambert love.

  • KrisAllen1

    Erintheread i agree with you.There’s no need to call Adam a popstar yet.He changed the AI’s view to the world but who knows how he is album will
    come out.He’s differant than everyone at RCA.Its un-fair to Adam to already say he changed the world.Its putting him to a higher standard.

  • luckeee55

    edit: buh bye. hope you find a place to post that doesn’t annoy you and where you can resist breaking their rules. oh, btw, making it personal was a nice touch. i’ll refrain from doing the same, though it’s tempting.

  • jlc

    I really do appreciate your opinion, but your opinion is one of a contestant on a TV show. Not a musician.

    I respectfully disagree. My opinion is about a singer/performer/musician, who happened to be on a tv show. It doesn’t matter how well he does after Idol–he is still a musician.

    My 22 year old nephew plays bass guitar in his own band. He may never be famous or sell a million recordings, but he’s still a musician–just like scores of other musicians worldwide. Fame and record sales does not a musician make.

  • searay

    edit: you got a problem? take it to email

  • lucy

    Honestly, though I think that the Rolling Stone cover is inspired by the mainstream-audience-embraces-young-performer-who’s-out-from-the-beginning-Is-our culture-changing? angle (plus wanting to sell extra mags because of fans’ Adam frenzy), I kind of think that his voice alone could be worth the cover. He’s got a range that goes all the way from baritone (though we don’t hear that end often) to countertenor. That’s a freak of nature. It’d be news in the opera world, I think. And to have it as trained as it is, and loaded with vocal fry and rock screaming to boot. The fact that people are kind of rightly making comparisons to Plant and Mercury — voices like that don’t come along often.

  • thebluemartini

    I found Kris’s appearance on Huckabee on youtube:

    Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUCYdUVYeU8

    Performance of “Yesterday”:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9_VWU1EzAE

  • http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com Buderschnookie

    You know- any one of us is free to start our own magazine and put whomever we want on the cover.
    I don’t get the second guessing and the deep concern over whether it is justified or relevant.

    Rolling Stone itself has a far better idea of what it represents and how to represent it than posters on a message board.
    If they decided to do it then more power to them- it’s their choice.

    I wouldn’t want to judge them for their choice any more than I would want non peers judging me on my professional choices because of their own irrelevant biases. It makes no sense to me that it would matter so much.

    edit: don’t tell posters what to do. dial back the defensiveness

  • frogcooke

    “Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s to much
    hype around Adam.People are expecting the best album in the world.
    If he doesnt deliver that then his career could go both ways.”

    Im just waiting for him to pull out the ole ‘I want this to be an important album’ line. Then i can have a good hearty laugh… again.

  • erinnthered

    I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really comment on RSà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s supposed decline or its business model. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not privy to their circulation stats, although I could probably look them up. I can say they still publish some great articles. I will also point out that maybe the market isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t that hot for music magazines in general now. Blender folded, and Paste (which I love) is begging for donations. Maybe RSà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ business model is just fine.

    The market sucks for all magazines right now, definitely.

    Paste is breaking my heart right now. I’ve been following their plight. Ugh.

    Blender was always much more of a pop culture mag than RS ever was, and with Maxim also seeing a decline they saw the writing on the wall. They are still an online entity though. Since all they ever do is make lists, it makes a lot more sense.

    RS has changed their business model twice this decade. Each time going more “pop culture” and each time bleeding more readers. There’s been lots of talk, especially recently, about how much they’ve “lost their way.” I just hate to see them continue down this road. There are rumors that Wenner has fed some money from US Weekly into RS to keep it afloat. No idea how good the rumors are, but they’re out there.

    I still don’t think this is good for Adam in the long run, musically. Celebrity wise, sure, but not musically. It’s definitely not good for RS in the long run. Sadly, I’d say the best thing is for it be forgotten, like the Clay cover.

    And with that, I’m done with the RS wank. He’s still gonna be on the cover, and whatever happens, happens.

    Do you think that we do not know this? The same can be said of Kris. Neither is there a guarantee that he will be successful.

    Oh, I completely agree! It’s a tough road for all of them. I don’t think anybody coming off this show is the second coming of anything! I hope they all find success, but it does seem to be true that the more…passionate…the fanbase, the harder it is to find mainstream success. I’d rather they all be on the same playing field.

  • lucy

    Sorry, KrisAllen1. I’m a singer, have hung out with top conservatory people and classical music pros and so forth much of my life, and a range the size of Adam’s, with no audible breaks in it and strength and control in every area is simply rare biologically. Hardly anyone is born with such a voice. And of course it’s even rarer trained the way his is. Does that make him the greatest *singer* in the world? No. But it definitely gives him a highly highly unusual instrument that makes singers take notice.

  • aek

    omgà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Kris is so much more talented than Gokey

    OMG…Danny has so much a better voice than Kris. For me, Kris will never have the ability to sing as well as Danny. He just doesn’t have the quality in his voice. I agree, that he is talented and I like him.

    It’s not just me. I remember at the time of the top four hearing on the Bob and Sheri (it’s local for me but is nationally syndicated) radio show…the dude was commenting about how all four deserved to be there. They were a great group and then he kind of apoligetically (not in a mean spirited way) said, “well, maybe not Kris Allen. He’s just not the singer that the others are.”

    My point being, that Danny had fans and lots of people think the boy can sing. I personally thought Adam should win, but that either Danny or Allison would have been a good second place. I like Kris, but for me, personally, the voice is not up to speed.

  • KrisAllen1

    edit: one more like this, and I put you in moderation

  • anna in vegas

    As for being pitch perfect (and I wanted him to win the finale), I have two words for you à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“No Boundariesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    Interestingly enough, Adam’s studio version of 3:48 is still at #78 of Top 100. I find it pitch-perfect, therefore; you obviously are talking about the finale performance.

    In addition, all 17 of Adam’s iTunes videos are still in Top 100 with the lowest at #46. In comparison, Kris has 6 with his lowest at #87. The NB video has Adam at #26 and Kris at #50. This tells me that more people would rather watch Adam. JMO

  • ppwars

    it definitely gives him a highly highly unusual instrument

    It ain’t the size of your instrument, it’s how you manipulate it.

  • frogcooke

    “I find it pitch-perfect, therefore; you obviously are talking about the finale performance.”

    well of course the studio is going to be pitch perfect… because well its a studio version… cause you know… im sure they leave it not pitch perfect…

  • lucy

    “‘it definitely gives him a highly highly unusual instrument’

    “It ainà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the size of your instrument, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how you manipulate it.”

    Yep, and he does that pretty good, too. lol

  • KrisAllen1

    That’s fine Anna.People liked his music on a Tv show.Who knows how his own music.Correct me if im wrong but did Kris sell more singles than Adam? and
    Adam sold more albums then Kris?

    I never want Kris to sing like Danny.Thank god Kris knows his strength as a artist.If Kris ever did was Danny does I might laugh.I cant believe people think Danny has a good voice.SCREAM ON people scream on.Also its a good thing that Kris cant sing like Gokey.Look how far Gokey went compared to Kris?On itunes and the show.

  • frogcooke

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹it definitely gives him a highly highly unusual instrumentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“It ainà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the size of your instrument, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how you manipulate it.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    “Yep, and he does that pretty good, too. lol”

    and just because you can… doesnt mean you should…..

  • lucy

    “à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“It ainà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the size of your instrument, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how you manipulate it.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Yep, and he does that pretty good, too. lolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    and just because you canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ doesnt mean you shouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..”

    True.

    It’s probably very very tempting, though. lol

  • Chipmunk

    My point being, that Danny had fans and lots of people think the boy can sing. I personally thought Adam should win, but that either Danny or Allison would have been a good second place. I like Kris, but for me, personally, the voice is not up to speed

    That’s a fair comment, and one I agree with

  • aek

    I seen voices like Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s.If you go to a good opera you would get the same effect.I dont like how people act like a runner-up on a show is going to

    Well, I will agree that it really doesn’t matter which contestant you choose, you actually can find quite a many other people in this “grand” country who can do what they do, or even do it better…Adam included. However, those people were not on Idol. That’s why when this argument is thrown out for any of the contestants, it seems kind of silly to me.

    Each of these contestants, Allison, Adam, Kris, Danny, brought something different to the table. People took their picks as to whose type of talent appealed to them the most. Kris won. It really doesn’t matter if I think Adam should have won and Allison/Danny should have come in second. In the end, Kris inspired the most votes.

    I’ve been around for awhile, and I can remember the hyperbole attached to Taylor after he won. I love Taylor, but he was compared to Elvis on this very board. He was “the best thing to hit music” in decades. He was going to “bring back “good” music.”

    So when the hyperbole is thrown around about Adam, I’m sorry, I just can’t get into it. We shall see what happens with him. He’s talented, for sure, but I don’t think he walks on water. I think he has a much better chance than Taylor ever did simply because AI loves him and wanted him to win and I think much more current.

  • ilovemj

    i love chips!

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    You guys still aren’t getting it.

    Don’t comment on each other’s opinions. Don’t question the motives of other posters. No personal attacks.

    I’m still deleting posts here.

  • undercooked

    Im just waiting for him to pull out the ole à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹I want this to be an important albumà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ line. Then i can have a good hearty laughà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ again.

    I think Adam wants to make a fun album. I don’t think he will hype it up. I just don’t see Adam taking himself that seriously.

    But I do know what you mean. I think Cook’s album got really hyped and to be honest, I was disappointed in it. I got it for Christmas from my family and I think I’ve only listened to it three or four times.

    I think the Rollingstone cover is a good thing. Yes, there is the whole gay subject, but there is so much more that makes Adam interesting. First of all, his vocal range. And I do hope they discuss that and make some comparisons to Freddie Mercury, etc. How unusual is Adam’s range?

    Also Adam is tapped into the underground club scene in Los Angeles, and he follows some local Los Angeles designers. I’m sure he can discuss what is cutting edge in Hollywood now.

    Than there is Queen and Slash. Is he going to sing with Queen on some guests performances? Will he record a track for Slash’s solo project?

    There is just alot to discuss. I have a subcription to RS and I always enjoy their interviews. They are always so well done. I am really hoping they had time to do a nice photo shoot. Would it be too much to hope for an Annie Leibovitz cover?

  • flynnsgirl

    All the talk about whether Adam should or should not be on Rolling Stone, He is gong to be on the cover of RS because people can’t stop talking about him. Nearly every post on this blog ends up in a discussion of Lambert. Since day one. Adam is relevant and interesting, otherwise we wouldn’t be talking about him.

  • lola

    Oooops. Got deleted again. I need to behave now. To all Adam fans, I am with you all the way.

  • clearone

    I think the Rollingstone cover is a good thing. Yes, there is the whole gay subject, but there is so much more that makes Adam interesting. First of all, his vocal range. And I do hope they discuss that and make some comparisons to Freddie Mercury, etc. How unusual is Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s range?

    I hope they remember that.

  • frogcooke

    “i love chips!”

    omigosh! me too! what about american idol ice cream?

  • GeminiDolly

    Im both excited and nervous of what the heck Adam comes up with. I still cringe whenever he talks about wanting his album to have all these sorts of sounds of pop/rock/electro/funk whatever he says. Didnt Blake try something like that and it failed miserably.

  • ilovemj

    omigosh! me too! what about american idol ice cream?

    The more fattening the better! I love American Idol ice cream! <3<3<3

    Frog, do you like cookies? <3

  • frogcooke

    “Didnt Blake try something like that and it failed miserably.”

    Blake who?

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I still donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think this is good for Adam in the long run, musically. Celebrity wise, sure, but not musically. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s definitely not good for RS in the long run. Sadly, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say the best thing is for it be forgotten, like the Clay cover.

    I doubt this cover will make or break Adam musically. I’m pretty sure he will put out the same album with or without it. Much of it will depend on whom they have lined up to work with him. The music and promotion will play a larger role in whether he gets radio play and sells records.

    As for RS, I highly doubt one cover will make or break it either. If its the business model that’s objectionable, that’s a reasonable aesthetic. But it’s a path they’ve been following for more than 10 years. I just glanced at 1999 and there’s a scantily clad Jennifer Aniston on the cover with the headline “Jennifer In Love: On Fame, Family, and Life as Brad’s Girl.” Having TV stars on the cover isn’t something they started this decade.

    The thing is, RS will never be the edgy magazine it was when it first started. Once something becomes an institution, it loses its edge. Something else will come forth and replace it. The cycle repeats itself. That doesn’t mean that it’s no longer relevant or influential. If the article is well done, it may actually increase interest in Adam’s music. YMMV.

  • Kris

    I can’t wait to get more news about David’s second album. I need a new single right now. I want him to work with Dr. Luke and Max Martin. I would also love for him to work with Ne-Yo.

  • KrisAllen1

    The TPTB werent behind Blake.I dont think they cared about him.TPTB are behind Adam more than they were behind Carrie,Kelly and Daughty put together.Even if he doesnt put out a good album,his label will find a
    way to make sure he’s still popular.

  • Chipmunk

    I’m sure the article will be great, the RS website has been discussing Adam in depth all season, even with/without the gay angle. I dont see what the issue is with Adam being on RS,much like I didnt get what all the fuss was that he was on EW. They’re magazines, and will cover who they want!And good on ‘em!!

    What would really amuse me is if somehow Norman Gentle is on the cover next week, with al this hoopla about Adam…err………….. Punked!!!!!!! :clap_tb:

  • Chipmunk

    Nearly every post on this blog ends up in a discussion of Lambert. Since day one.

    I’ve noticed that a lot.

  • frogcooke

    “I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t wait to get more news about Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s second album. I need a new single right now. I want him to work with Dr. Luke and Max Martin. I would also love for him to work with Ne-Yo.”

    working with ne-yo would be cool! but yeah I want a new single like yesterday. But im mostly excited for new music! I’d love to see him do a bit more r&b influenced stuff. I think he’d be really good at it.

  • Chipmunk

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“It ainà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the size of your instrument, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how you manipulate it.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Yep, and he does that pretty good, too. lolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    and just because you canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ doesnt mean you shouldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    True.

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s probably very very tempting, though. lol

    Time for me to watch that Citizen Vein clip again :tongue1_tb:….I say if you got it flaunt it, and ehm…touch it too :mrgreen_wp:

  • ross

    But that’s not the real shocker. Check out what she has to say about the behind-the-scenes antics of the Idol camp…

    Where are we supposed to check out what Leila Lambert “has to say about the behind-the-scenes antics of the Idol camp”? I couldn’t find it anyplace…

  • frogcooke

    “The more fattening the better! I love American Idol ice cream!

    Frog, do you like cookies? ”

    BWAH! I love cookies! The nuttier the better. But not the crusty cookies.. you know the ones sitting out too long.. they get stale and old and crusty…

  • Victoria

    What would really amuse me is if somehow Norman Gentle is on the cover next week, with al this hoopla about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦errà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.. Punked!!!!!!!

    That would be AMAZING. :laugh_tb: :clap_tb:

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t wait to get more news about Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s second album. I need a new single right now. I want him to work with Dr. Luke and Max Martin. I would also love for him to work with Ne-Yo.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    working with ne-yo would be cool! but yeah I want a new single like yesterday. But im mostly excited for new music! Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d love to see him do a bit more r&b influenced stuff. I think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be really good at it.

    I heard the label wants him to do more pop/dance-y stuff but David wants to do more of a Works for Me-type album. (I’m assuming we’re talking about Archie here, not Cook… haha) I hope David gets to do what he wants because I think the sound he’s going for is more marketable outside of the tween crowd, as opposed to Jive’s idea.

  • star

    I am not understanding this view of RS as some sort of OMG gauge of musical relevance. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a freaking entertainment magazine. Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve had the cast of the Hills and Gossip Girl on their cover. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not like ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s some sort of sacrilege to have Adam Lambert on there. Geesh.

    Exactly! Not to mention The Jonas Brothers… :laugh_tb: Anyway, as others have said, Rolling Stone has been complimentary of Adam a few times throughout the season, so more power to Adam for landing the cover. I just hope the article isn’t all about his sexuality. I want lots of music talk too!

  • ilovemj

    BWAH! I love cookies! The nuttier the better. But not the crusty cookies.. you know the ones sitting out too long.. they get stale and old and crustyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Ewww, I hate crusty cookies! They’re sooo, sooo… crusty! LOL

    Do you make chip flavored cookies? <3

  • frogcooke

    “Ewww, I hate crusty cookies! Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re sooo, soooà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ crusty! LOL”

    yeah and they leave crusty crumbs on you too… you have to brush them off… and you find them in places you dont want to find them… just like that sand you cant get rid of after going to the beach….

    chip flavored cookies… Ill have to try that next time! Special recipe!

  • erinnthered

    TKat, as far as other contestants introducing new music to Idol fans:

    My impression is that many people who watch Idol are not really followers of music, and may not be familiar with what is currently charting or charted recently. Certainly not familiar with who is getting talked about on Stereogum or Pitchfork. For as many times as I’ve seen someone say “____ made me pay attention to music for the first time in __ decades!” I’m assuming that there is a lot more out there that people learn about because of these contestants. That’s not a criticism. It’s never too late to enjoy new music. Even if it’s only new to you! I’m also assuming that their online fans discover more than just what they play on the show. They also learn who the contestants are fans of. So, with that in mind, this would be my guess as to who different contestants introduced:

    Chris Daughtry: Fuel, Seether, Shinedown, Nickelback, etc.

    Taylor Hicks: Ray Lamontagne, Marc Broussard, Madeleine Peyroux, and just about any artists Gray Charles featured on his blog. You may not have been around then, but GC was pretty popular, even with fans of other contestants. There were also Alabama regional acts that gained fans.

    Ace Young: Daniel Bedingfield; I’m guessing most people knew about Train by then, but I’m sure some people may have discovered them through Ace.

    Blake Lewis: Keane, Jamiroquai, 311, I’d say Robin Thicke but the show featured him as well, Imogene Heap, BT, and several PNW regional acts that also gained fans.

    Chris Richardson: Jason Mraz was still pretty much a one hit wonder when Chris covered Geek in the Pink. I’m sure he gained a lot of fans after that performance.

    Chris Sligh: Mute Math, Ray Lamontagne, Owsley, and I’m sure many Christian acts.

    Archie: Robbie Williams (this is US audience – I know he’s a megastar overseas), John Farnham

    Cookie: Our Lady Peace, Collective Soul, Switchfoot, Jimmy Eat World, Big Wreck, etc.

    I’m sure I’m missing artists, but I just wanted to highlight what many have pointed out. What Adam has done, while awesome, is not new.

  • lizland

    Im just waiting for him to pull out the ole à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹I want this to be an important albumà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ line. Then i can have a good hearty laughà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ again.

    Don’t all artists want to make an important album? One that sells a lot, that people like, that win awards, etc? If they say otherwise, I don’t know why they are in the business.

  • linsav

    anna in vegas May 30th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    As for being pitch perfect (and I wanted him to win the finale), I have two words for you à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“No Boundariesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    I respectfully disagree here, even considering the song. I am now going to my studio version and listening again. The more I listen to Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the more I like it best, but then ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no secret I am a grandma fangirl, lol :surrender_tb:

    They got that freaking song 36 hours before they were supposed to arrange it and sing it for goodness sakes, along with rehearsing 2 other numbers. Kris said both their ear pieces weren’t working right. Adam will be the first to say when he has not sung well. He dislikes his BW performance saying it was too pitchy and shouty.

    But if you want to hear a pitch perfect recording of Adam singing, and singing live at that, listen to “Come to Me, Bend to Me” from Brigadoon.

  • Kris

    I also want David to do more R&B songs. That is my favorite type of music. I have a feeling though that David isn’t interested in doing that music based upon who lists as his favorite artists.

  • ilovemj

    yeah and they leave crusty crumbs on you tooà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ you have to brush them offà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ and you find them in places you dont want to find themà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ just like that sand you cant get rid of after going to the beachà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

    Ugh, I know what you mean. Happens all the time when I use the computer and the crumbs fall as I eat!

  • linsav

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m missing artists, but I just wanted to highlight what many have pointed out. What Adam has done, while awesome, is not new.

    And given the genre they were given to choose from not much could be current. Please the current songs he wanted to sing “Crazy” by Gnarls Barkley and “Come Home” by One Republic were shot down. What was he supposed to do with Michael Jackson week, Rat Pack, Motown, Disco, Birth Year, etc.?

  • frogcooke

    “Ugh, I know what you mean. Happens all the time when I use the computer and the crumbs fall as I eat!”

    you dont even want to look at my keyboard… im afraid the cookie monster might come crawling out of it one day… I’m skeered…

  • skylight1219

    I’m sure Kris will get to do the cover of RS later. I think it’s because Kris’s schedule is heavier than Adam’s right now.

    I think Gokey will probably follow the Mandisa, Sligh, and Phil Stacey route, doing a Christian album. I hope so. I’m not a big fan of his, but, I do wish him well.

    Now, for my confession of the day. I was listening to Adam’s “Mad World.” Yes, I do like to listen to his songs when he sings ballads. Not much a fan of the screaming thing, but, that’s just me. What I heard was some of the most beautiful notes coming out of his mouth that I’ve ever heard. I’m still a huge Kris Allen fan, but, I will give Adam his props, and I hope he has a wonderful post idol career. I’ll bet Broadway is chomping at the bit to have him headline. We can’t let Constantine be the only Tony nomination. Adam will blow the socks off of Broadway. I can also see him headlining in Vegas. Not that he’s a lounge singer, but, that’s a pretty darn good gig. Elvis did Vegas.

    But, for listening to music on a CD, I’ll stick with Kris.

  • KrisAllen1

    I would pay good money to see Adam in broadway.He could win a tony with every show.If constantine can be that bad (sorry to his fans) and win tony’s than Adam can win everyone for years.

    IA! Skylight!

  • frogcooke

    “If constantine can be that bad (sorry to his fans) and win tonyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s than Adam can win everyone for years. ”

    he has fans?

  • star

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure Kris will get to do the cover of RS later. I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s because Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s schedule is heavier than Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s right now.

    Well, Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, and Chris Daughtry have yet to appear on a RS cover, fwiw. I guess the RS editors just can’t resist the allure of the Glittery Alien From Planet Fierce. :)

    Oh yeah, and I watched Gokey’s Idolatry. My eyes glazed over a little, not gonna lie. The interview needed more Rocker Breaks and lulz in the form of captions displaying Slezak’s thoughts throughout the interview.

  • KrisAllen1

    frogcooke I didnt know if he had fans lol.I know in his season fans were mad about him leaving.They might not be on this board though.

    I think Kris could be on the cover in a few weeks?
    I think what happen with Clay-Ruben will happen with Kris-adam.

  • rockvixen

    Kris won’t have the cover of rolling stone just like Reuben never did. Clay had the cover during season 2. That’s wishful thinking really.

    As for Broadway, Adam would rather do an album but that doesn’t mean he won’t ever do Broadway. It’s just not in his career path right now.

    Somehow I think people say Adam should do Broadway as if it’s an insult. If you saw Adam watching Hair in New York…it’s one of the things he loves to do. Making music and an album is a priority right now.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Nearly every post on this blog ends up in a discussion of Lambert. Since day one.

    LOL. Since Day 1 of what? And that’s actually not true. Although I have to fight hard sometimes to keep fans from hijacking threads.

    Be careful not to make generalizations like that. Also, talking about the blog, the content of the blog, what people are posting on the blog is ALWAYS off topic. Stick to the subject at hand.

  • skylight1219

    I doubt Carrie would be on the cover of RS. She’s country and done and won every country thing imaginable. I know that Clay was considered the “pop” star from season 2, but, Ruben was later featured. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kris grace the cover later on. He’s going the pop/rock route.

    Not sure if Cook was ever on it. Does anyone know? I don’t keep up nor buy RS.

  • justshootme

    Hmmmm. Here’s wiki’s list of everyone that’s appeared on the cover of RS. Not exactly an elite group. Who hasn’t been on the cover?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_celebrities_who_have_appeared_on_the_cover_of_Rolling_Stone_magazine

  • lola

    It all boils down to one’s taste. You like listening to Kris CDs as I like sticking to Adam’s music because I find it more powerful and convincing. I find Kris music as soft and mellow but that doesn’t mean it’s bad. I like mellow music and I cannot deny that he’s good at it. But Adam amazes me with his vocal range. It’s been a while since we heard that kind of voice and singing style. You may say that there’s a lot of that in broadway but Adam proved a point that Broadway people can also do pop, current music.

  • skylight1219

    In the earlier shows,Simon used the term Broadway as an insult. Diana DeGarmo, (I think) was the first idol to go on Broadway and others followed. It’s a wonderful gig, and I always hated Simon using it as a put down for Clay. Many of the idols have now performed there. It’s good money and they get their name in lights. Plus, their fans get to see them and as a bonus, they make new fans. Not everyone is gifted enough to perform on Broadway either. So, IMO, it isn’t a put down.

    Wow, that’s quite a list of people who have appeared on the cover of RS. I saw Jimmy Carer’s name, and George W. Bush. So, they feature politicans as well. Interesting!

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    And given the genre they were given to choose from not much could be current. Please the current songs he wanted to sing à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Crazyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  by Gnarls Barkley and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Come Homeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  by One Republic were shot down. What was he supposed to do with Michael Jackson week, Rat Pack, Motown, Disco, Birth Year, etc.?

    I heart Adam, but as for choosing contemporary songs, he had a couple of opportunities and he failed.

    Top downloads- Play That Funky Music (okay, he said the producers kept changing what that meant on them, but others found something more recent).

    Soundtracks- Born To Be Wild (I actually attended this rehearsal and thought Adam was the best). But come on… plenty of better choices out there in this wide open song choice field to show something more contemporary.

    ETA: I’m not saying he failed at the songs he chose. I’m saying he failed to choose something contemporary when given the chance.

  • unique28v

    I think the Rollingstone cover is a good thing. Yes, there is the whole gay subject, but there is so much more that makes Adam interesting. First of all, his vocal range. And I do hope they discuss that and make some comparisons to Freddie Mercury, etc. How unusual is Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s range?

    Throughout the Idol season, Rollingstone has commented on all of your points, particularly Adam’s range and stage presence. I don’t think they will forget that. In fact, I’m sure it will be almost like an introduction, and they will go back to Adam’s childhood as well so we can get to know him better. I’m not a huge RS reader, but from the articles I’ve read they’ve been put together nicely.

  • jpfan

    Being on the cover of RS hasn’t meant anything musically for years, really decades.

    I doubt TPTB are more excited by Adam that Carrie, Kelly and Daughtry put together though. They all had genres. Adam Lambert really fits nowhere into the current music scene. Maybe dance music, but that’s almost 100% female dominated. Rock radio doesn’t play Cook. I doubt they’ll play Adam.

  • Aileen

    So, the only other Idols who had an RS cover were Clay and Ruben, and Ruben only after there were an uproar about Clay getting there first? The really successful, rock oriented AI alums such as Kelly and Daughtry never got one? Even though country artists are featured on covers of RS, Carrie wasn’t? OK, well that says it all.

  • unique28v

    I heart Adam, but as for choosing contemporary songs, he had a couple of opportunities and he failed.

    In my opinion that doesn’t matter. Adam did what he needed to do was showcase his range, voice, stage presence, and performing skills. He did all of that during the season.

  • jpfan

    Well Clay and Ruben are obviously more worthy of RS covers than Kelly, Carrie or Daughtry because… Oh wait, there is no reason.

  • lola

    For sure, Adam will be contemporary once he has an album since he will not be doing a cover of AI genres anymore. I agree that most of the songs he sang at AI is not that current but that does not dimishes his vocal ability to do contemporary songs. Maybe that’s the reason why most are eager to find out what kind of songs will he make in his album. I think his idea of doing a variety of songs is not bad. Too much ballad might make me sleep as too much rock might give me a headache.

  • Chipmunk

    I heart Adam, but as for choosing contemporary songs, he had a couple of opportunities and he failed

    Top downloads- Play That Funky Music (okay, he said the producers said kept changing what that meant on them, but others found something more recent).

    Soundtracks- Born To Be Wild (I actually attended this show and thought Adam was the best at the rehearsal). But come onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ plenty of better choices out there in this wide open song choice field to show something more contemporary.

    ETA: Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not saying he failed at the songs he chose. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m saying he failed to choose something contemporary.
    .

    He sure did fail in that regard, I so agree……I’m still scratching my head on the PTFM choice, and in Top 3 week he didnt exactly shine with any currents did he?

    BTBW for me was a brilliant song choice and performance though, but its all mileage…..Did any of them do soundtracks of aythhing recent? Maybe they did, I wasnt paying too much attention and generally thought soundtrack week sucked

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Well Clay and Ruben are obviously more worthy of RS covers than Kelly, Carrie or Daughtry becauseà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Oh wait, there is no reason.

    LOL. A Rolling Stone album cover will create interest. It’s a good to keep one’s name out there. I actually think Clay and Ruben both had pretty good sales out of the gate. If their careers didn’t go beyond the first album or so, that probably has nothing to do with the RS cover.

    I don’t think it will make Adam a breakout star to be on RS, but it’s an indication of interest, which is a good thing, IMO.

    In my opinion that doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t matter. Adam did what he needed to do was showcase his range, voice, stage presence, and performing skills. He did all of that during the season.

    It didn’t matter, obviously. He came in second. I was responding to the idea that he didn’t have a chance to show a contemporary vibe, which he did.

  • lola

    “Well Clay and Ruben are obviously more worthy of RS covers than Kelly, Carrie or Daughtry becauseà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ Oh wait, there is no reason.”

    - That’s right. That’s why there’s no sense in making a big issue about Adam being on the cover. RS just wants him there. End of story.

  • Chipmunk

    Hmmmm. Hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wikià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s list of everyone thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s appeared on the cover of RS. Not exactly an elite group. Who hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t been on the cover?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_celebrities_who_have_appeared_on_the_cover_of_Rolling_Stone_magazine

    Cool stuff..so essentially, its not that big a deal, and those of us that will be licking the cover(and I have a large tongue) and salivating over Adam can just be happy, and everyone else who is thinks its a big deal and he isnt worthy,can now assure themselves tht its not that relevant and important and can relax.

    Loads of win all around! My tongue is already drooling

  • Chipmunk

    Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s right. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s why thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s no sense in making a big issue about Adam being on the cover. RS just wants him there. End of story

    Word!

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Did any of them do soundtracks of aythhing recent? Maybe they did, I wasnt paying too much attention and generally thought soundtrack week sucked

    Yes, Kris performed “Falling Slowly” from the Grammy award winning soundtrack from “Once.” 2007.

  • seeker

    Wasn’t Adam already on the cover of another magazine before the competition even ended? I don’t understand what the big deal is

  • Calliope

    I don’t think one needs to necessarily do a contemporary song to appear more contemporary. For me (for you) it’s more about the whole vibe of the act. Danny could have sung Heartless as well, yet made it sound like a throwback.

    That’s not to say Adam was always contemporary-sounding either though (however, in my opinion, he came closest to being like some of the acts I like that are current, excluding his crazy range and vocal ability, that is).

  • Chipmunk

    Yes, Kris performed à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Falling Slowlyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  from the Grammy award winning soundtrack from à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Once.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  2007.

    Oh ok, good on him…didnt even remember that, that definitely was one of his better performances.I had never heard that song though, prior to Kris singing it….so you can be current/contemporary and obscure(dont laugh..its possible)

  • BubbleGum

    I think its weird.Kelly Clarkson,Carrie Underwood,Chris Daughty all made Idol History and never been on the cover.This is why I dont like Rolling Stone as a magazine and stopped buying it.You can put a runner-up from a talent contest on the cover and not put the ones the ones that sold millions of records and already proved to be some of the best idols? Even David Archuleta and David Cook should be on that cover.

  • clearone

    Wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Adam already on the cover of another magazine before the competition even ended? I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand what the big deal is

    While I have no problem with Adam being on the cover, the big deal for me is the probable focus on the gay issue. I hope I’m proven wrong and that it isn’t but I’m not hopeful that there will be much else of substance pertaining to his music and future goals.

  • jlc

    @ ross

    But thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not the real shocker. Check out what she has to say about the behind-the-scenes antics of the Idol campà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    Where are we supposed to check out what Leila Lambert à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“has to say about the behind-the-scenes antics of the Idol campà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ? I couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t find it anyplaceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    I asked this same question earlier…still waiting for a response from someone….anyone? :mellow_tb:

  • lola

    “You can put a runner-up from a talent contest on the cover and not put the ones the ones that sold millions of records and already proved to be some of the best idols? Even David Archuleta and David Cook should be on that cover.”

    - Right again. That’s why there’s no need to worry if Adam gets into RS cover. It doesn’t mean anything. It will just put his name and picture out there but nothing more. It’s flattering though to be on a cover. But will it make him big. We still have to wait and it has nothing to do with being an RS cover. So really, not a big deal. Just hope that the rest of the Idol stars will land on that cover if still you find it a big deal to grace that magazine.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Oh ok, good on himà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦didnt even remember that, that definitely was one of his better performances.I had never heard that song though, prior to Kris singing ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.so you can be current/contemporary and obscure(dont laugh..its possible)

    Actually, I was wrong. The song won the 2008 Oscar, not Grammy. Tired. But anyway, I love it when the contestants bring songs to the show that are considered obscure by some. See Erinnthered’s post earlier.

  • TKat

    Sorry, KrisAllen1. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a singer, have hung out with top conservatory people and classical music pros and so forth much of my life, and a range the size of Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s, with no audible breaks in it and strength and control in every area is simply rare biologically. Hardly anyone is born with such a voice. And of course ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s even rarer trained the way his is. Does that make him the greatest *singer* in the world? No. But it definitely gives him a highly highly unusual instrument that makes singers take notice.

    Lucy, God love ya. I’ve been trying to say this for weeks and I kust don’t have your poetry. Thank you —

    and I still am amazed by Adam’s vocal capabilities.

  • undercooked

    I just got my Entertainment Weekly in the mail today. There is a nice two page spread on Kris. Also a nice photo. The Headline reads “The Idol Next Door.”

    Also in print in the same EW issue under the News Monitor section; the AT&T voting controversy and Clay’s diss on Adam. Also in the HIT LIST they bring up the Clay diss again, and have a picture of Clay wearing a Glambert T-shirt.

    And finally, poor Adam is all the way outside of the bullseye. He’s wearing his Kiss outfit and the little caption underneath reads “Maybe this is why he lost.”

  • jlc

    On the other hand, put him on the cover of TIME …well, then we have a whole ‘nother ball game.

    BTW, is this RS cover confirmed or still just speculation? Cuz I’d really like to see him on the cover of Bon Appetit–perhaps with some strategically placed whipped cream.

  • Chipmunk

    Actually, I was wrong. The song won the 2008 Oscar, not Grammy. Tired. But anyway, I love it when the contestants bring songs to the show that are considered obscure by some. See Erinntheredà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s post earlier.

    No need to read it, I already get what you’re saying, and I did agree with your original comment. Yes I also love it when contestants bring current material to the table, and level of obscurity is mileage,I’m not a good measure,.I was just saying……..contemporary choice doesnt always mean that much.ITs AI afterall

    The only thing contemporary about any of these contestants is the material they put forward post Idol.Time and posterity will be the judge

  • TKat

    Nearly every post on this blog ends up in a discussion of Lambert. Since day one.

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve noticed that a lot.

    And that my friends is why Adam will be on the cover of RS. Why he rules Google searches. And why he is a star.

    No matter how some of us try, it always comes back to Adam.

  • jlc

    And finally, poor Adam is all the way outside of the bullseye. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wearing his Kiss outfit and the little caption underneath reads à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Maybe this is why he lost.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    I can see him reading that and laughing his butt off…lol

  • Chipmunk

    BTW, is this RS cover confirmed or still just speculation? Cuz Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d really like to see him on the cover of Bon Appetità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’perhaps with some strategically placed whipped cream

    I LOVE YOU JLC!!!!

    I would lick that too!

  • Chipmunk

    I just got my Entertainment Weekly in the mail today. There is a nice two page spread on Kris. Also a nice photo. The Headline reads à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The Idol Next Door.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Also in print in the same EW issue under the News Monitor section; the AT&T voting controversy and Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s diss on Adam. Also in the HIT LIST they bring up the Clay diss again, and have a picture of Clay wearing a Glambert T-shirt.

    And finally, poor Adam is all the way outside of the bullseye. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wearing his Kiss outfit and the little caption underneath reads à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Maybe this is why he lost.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Hehehehehe :tongue3_tb:

  • lola

    I’m glad you put this to rest as the RS cover is still a speculation (right? but I’m also confused since the NY post said the RS refuses to say anything about Adam since he will be on the next issue). No need to be jealous if Adam gets a cover on Penny Saver or Landscaping magazine. It will not have any bearing on his future career.

  • TKat

    BTW, is this RS cover confirmed or still just speculation? Cuz Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d really like to see him on the cover of Bon Appetità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’perhaps with some strategically placed whipped cream

    The only Adam cooking I ever saw was the birthday cake scene in Idol — and it looked like Adam knew what he was doing. I’m cool with the BA cover.

  • jlc

    I LOVE YOU JLC!!!!

    I would lick that too!

    Ha!

  • cookcricket

    Where are we supposed to check out what Leila Lambert à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“has to say about the behind-the-scenes antics of the Idol campà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ? I couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t find it anyplaceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    I asked this same question earlierà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦still waiting for a response from someoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.anyone?

    jlc and ross: I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the ‘behind the scene’ antics being referred to was the fact that Adam’s mom had to sign something preventing her from talking about anything “Adam”, w/o AI’s permission. If she said anything then there couldn’t be this build-up and ‘breaking’ story that is supposed to be coming out.

    I guess now there is some question about whether or not Adam will be on the cover of RS?

    I think the whole approach will be that he was never in the closet (a la Kara on the view), and then the story will cover his musical style.

  • unique28v

    I just got my Entertainment Weekly in the mail today. There is a nice two page spread on Kris. Also a nice photo. The Headline reads à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The Idol Next Door.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Also in print in the same EW issue under the News Monitor section; the AT&T voting controversy and Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s diss on Adam. Also in the HIT LIST they bring up the Clay diss again, and have a picture of Clay wearing a Glambert T-shirt. And finally, poor Adam is all the way outside of the bullseye. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wearing his Kiss outfit and the little caption underneath reads à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Maybe this is why he lost.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Its nice to see EW still has their Adam obsession. LOL

  • unique28v

    I could be wrong, but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹behind the sceneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ antics being referred to was the fact that Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s mom had to sign something preventing her from talking about anything à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , w/o AIà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s permission. If she said anything then there couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be this build-up and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹breakingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ story that is supposed to be coming out.

    I heard all families have to sign a contract.

  • jlc

    Thanks coolcricket!

    If that isthe case, that author has some poor writing skills…(imo)

  • BubbleGum

    I wonder when Kris’s idolatry will be up.Its taking way to long.

  • unique28v

    1. That LA Times is hilarious. Its so pointless…. LOL

    2. I enjoyed Danny’s Idolatry.

    3. The EW interview with Kris looks good. I’ll have to check it out next time I’m waiting in line at the grocery store. He had some good answers to the questions they put up on their website.

    4. the Fox News article with Susan Boyle and Kris Allen made me laugh. They made a point to give out the exact vote totals…. lol

  • elephant1212

    man PEREZ sure seems obsessed with adam….he just posted a blog on him getting his toenails done in black in LA titled “GOTHBERT?”

    and yes friends, that is why hes going to be on the cover of RS….hes hot right now, whether that will be translated into selling singles or albums is depending on if people like his upcoming music but he is selling so……….FREE PUB IS BETTER THAN NO PUB!!

  • frogcooke

    david a is such a dork… lol

    “Oh man…. I forgot how much I love AOR music!”

    turns out he went to a REO speedwagon concert tonight… lol

  • TKat

    OK the RS cover story is officially global now. It’s the #1 story in India. Here’s a like to The Hindu news story.

    http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200905310924.htm

  • LukkiStar

    I actually really liked Danny’s Idolatry interview. It actually kind of brought out the best in him and he came across as a nice person. Not an awesome person line Adam or Allison.
    It’s pretty much the first time he’s opened his mouth to say something all season and I haven’t wanted to punch him.
    Slezak really brings out the best in all of them though, so maybe I should be thanking him instead. Given how much he bashed Danny all season, I was impressed that he was actually polite and didn’t ask Danny any of those nasty questions that we know he wanted to. I just wish Kristen Baldwin would have made an appearance during the interview lol.

  • LaurelG

    And finally, poor Adam is all the way outside of the bullseye. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wearing his Kiss outfit and the little caption underneath reads à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Maybe this is why he lost

    I’m guessing the low level EW staffer who puts together this magazine segment didn’t actually get tickets to the Finale, cuz pretty much all the journalists who attended said the Kiss and Queen numbers were the standout performances of the night.

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d really like to see him on the cover of Bon Appetità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’perhaps with some strategically placed whipped cream.

    You’re obviously a marketing genius. I salute you.

  • lizardino

    This is a link to some back and forth posts originally found at Gawker.com. They are pretty amazing. The first was an item posted about Adam, sexuality and publicity (very critical of him), and then a response. This prompted some more back and forth and it is a very interesting take on what is going on with all this sexuality and publicity stuff. It’s interesting to read varying perspectives on how the gay community sees all of this.

    http://www.theadamlambertconnection.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1188

    I think that the problem a lot of people who are making an issue of everything surrounding (especially) Adam, is that he is so matter-of-fact about who he is. It’s just not an issue for him, and that is new to some people. However, I think it’s about time. Personally, I just wanna rock and roll all night….

  • lizardino

    Oops — I just reread my above post and I missed a word in the second paragraph. Now it makes sense. Geez, I’m glad that English degree came in handy!

  • cookcricket

    unique28v

    I heard all families have to sign a contract.

    Oh, I’m sure they did. :)

  • stelladallas

    Rolling Stone has got to be thrilled with all the responses regarding a cover that hasn’t even come out yet! Can Adam create buzz or what?!

  • colette

    Danny seemed very human and vulnerable to me, and pretty overwhelmed.

    He was really not equipped to be No 2 or 1. I mean, here was a guy who barely new any songs that weren’t gospel numbers, and had to learn “Stand By Me” for the first time??? His lack of sophistication is what I think often came across as arrogance. And his insecurity — he admitted what many of us don’t like to admit: that he wants people to love him, he craves approval.

    I hope he has a good life, and if he makes a record it should probably be in some gospel vein.

    but you compare his musical knowledge and depth to either Kris or Adam, and it just ain’t there. It’s hard to imagine him standing up to all the pressure both guys are facing with incredible aplomb.

    Another thing: Danny seemed to me quite tolerant of Adam, and it was great to just hear him say what a sweet guy he is and how the competition wasn’t about culture warring. When Adam said in that EW interview that he didn’t get along with somebody in the Top 10, I don’t know who he meant. But from this interview, I doubt very much it was Gokey…

  • MissM

    I’m looking forward to Adam’s RS cover. Clay’s cover is RS’ #1 selling issue of all time, and it was the article that, for better or for worse, defined Clay’s entire career. So this article should be interesting, especially considering that Clay was too much of a wimp to come out in RS after AI2, and instead waited for 6 years to do it. Adam’s taking the proactive approach and doing it in the infancy of his career, which has never been done before by someone of his caliber starting out their career. Elton and Bowie waited years before they came out. Adam is waiting 4 weeks. Whether you love him or hate him, what he is doing is unprecdented and I’m glad RS is the one that he’s telling his story to. They have amazing in-depth articles and a staff of some of the world’s best photographers (Annie Liebowitz used to do all their covers for about 20 years) so I cannot WAIT to see what they do with Adam. I’m sure it’ll be a fascinating read. 6 Years ago, Clay’s article was one of the most talked about things for a good long while, and with Adam allegedly putting more out there than Clay ever dreamed of, I can’t wait to see what happens. The media is going to go nuts, and Perez can finally just get off of Adam’s back (for now at least!) My only worry is that after this, Adam and Drake lose any and all privacy they had and become fair game for the tabloids. They’re going to have to be very, very careful. Anyways, I wish Adam the best, and I cannot wait to get my hands on this issue.

    Also, this is NOT the first time Adam has been featured in RS. He’s already had 2 feature articles done on him during the competition in the magazine.

    For a refresher, here’s Clay’s RS article in its entirety:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23218342/cover_story_new_kid_on_the_block/1

  • TKat

    lizardino, thank you for posting the link. One of the best things I’ve read in a while.

    MissM, I agree completelly. Except that Adam and Drake already made the National Enquirer. It all makes me more determined than ever to support all of Adam’s future endevours. I sure don’t want him to go thru what Ellen D. did when she came out (the sponsers pulled out and her show was cancelled). But in the end she did OK and I know Adam will do OK too. Just wish that we could keep this about the music.

    I’m old enough to have a number of gay friends who lived secret lives for years so they could protect their careers. I really hope that we are past all of that.

  • lola

    When will the RS issue be out and will it be only available at magazine stores?

  • GeminiDolly

    Perez is such a bully. LAMEbert?? Really??, just because he doesnt flaunt it in people’s faces like Perez does. Whatever, at least Perez used cute pictures. Adam is hot.

  • twinkle

    thanks lizardino. amen to the responder to the gawker article. so well said.

  • RemusL

    And finally, poor Adam is all the way outside of the bullseye. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wearing his Kiss outfit and the little caption underneath reads à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Maybe this is why he lost

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m guessing the low level EW staffer who puts together this magazine segment didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t actually get tickets to the Finale, cuz pretty much all the journalists who attended said the Kiss and Queen numbers were the standout performances of the night.

    And then there’s the fact that all the votes had already been cast and counted by the time Adam’s performance with KISS.

  • erinnthered

    OK the RS cover story is officially global now. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the #1 story in India. Hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a like to The Hindu news story.

    http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200905310924.htm

    Honestly, AI isn’t that big in India. I have few friends from there, and they have their own version of AI that is very popular there, and with NRI’s here. You win a chance to become a playback singer.

    While I’m sure it’s getting coverage, I doubt it’s bigger than the news about the kid from Slumdog’s house nearly getting demolished or Amitabh Bachchan rejecting the Aussie degree (apparently that’s a hot topic right now). Since Adam isn’t on the front page of the Times of India, NDTV, or a few of the other popular outlets, I doubt it’s that big of a deal there.

    I’m not really sure that AI really is that big of a deal outside the US and Canada. I know there are viewers overseas, but it’s not in any top 10s that I’m aware of, and I do end up checking Europe and Australia in the Spring for other reasons. I wasn’t checking this Spring, so maybe there was a sudden surge, but I’m not hearing anything from overseas friends about a sudden wave of AI love outside the usual. My friend in Japan says that Gokey is big with fans there. *shrug* They’re a few weeks behind though, so that could have changed. I hope.

    I doubt this cover will make or break Adam musically. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m pretty sure he will put out the same album with or without it. Much of it will depend on whom they have lined up to work with him. The music and promotion will play a larger role in whether he gets radio play and sells records.

    Totally agreed, on this and the RS thing. My original point was simply that I didn’t like the idea, and I didn’t think it was good for the magazine in the long run. Just my opinion, that’s all. I never meant to imply that either would rise or fall based on one issue. Just that it would, or in Adam’s case could, have a negative effect. I never should have gotten into all that stuff about what RS has become etc, etc.

    You also mentioned up thread about Adam not making contemporary choices when he had the chance. That was one of my biggest issues with him this season. PTFMWB, Born to be Wild, and Cryin’ were just not good choices for me. I wanted to hear him take on something newer. Especially in those weird, open weeks. He knows how to get things done. If Blake could take his song clearance into his own hands, so could Adam. Ya know?

  • anna in vegas

    OK the RS cover story is officially global now. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the #1 story in India. Hereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a like to The Hindu news story.

    Yep TKat, Adam is generating press worldwide. Not a bad thing for Adam, even if they did list his age as 24, lol. I truly believe that any/all press is good for him. I do wonder exactly how popular Adam is becoming globally. :question_ee:

  • lizardino

    Yep TKat, Adam is generating press worldwide. Not a bad thing for Adam, even if they did list his age as 24, lol. I truly believe that any/all press is good for him. I do wonder exactly how popular Adam is becoming globally.

    I have seen articles listed in my google search from all sorts of interesting places. I have heard Adam has lots of fans in Malaysia and the Philippines, as well as in some other countries. I guess that in Israel they are playing his version of “No Boundaries” on the radio and he’s very popular. Hee!

  • http://www.fatladysings.us TFLS

    This is a link to some back and forth posts originally found at Gawker.com. They are pretty amazing. The first was an item posted about Adam, sexuality and publicity (very critical of him), and then a response. This prompted some more back and forth and it is a very interesting take on what is going on with all this sexuality and publicity stuff. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s interesting to read varying perspectives on how the gay community sees all of this.

    http://www.theadamlambertconnection.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1188

    Thank you, Lizardino. Those responses were truly remarkable – and right on the money. I think Adam’s been amazing. Especially when you consider all he’s had to endure.

  • agathe.hb

    As for NB – Adam himself told Slezak that it was a song difficult to sing on stage, but the recording came out much better.

    He also said that he wanted his album to be FUN, so I hope he will not change the tune in RS interview.

    As for my opinion on Gokey, I have read your opinions and have come to a conclusion that I may have been too hard on him – he is clueless and overly competitive (as other contestands admitted) but he is not THE BAD guy. I don’t like him, but wish him all the best. He needs to stop talking and start listening, though.

  • Layla

    Cool stuff..so essentially, its not that big a deal, and those of us that will be licking the cover(and I have a large tongue) and salivating over Adam can just be happy, and everyone else who is thinks its a big deal and he isnt worthy,can now assure themselves tht its not that relevant and important and can relax.

    Loads of win all around! My tongue is already drooling

    Chipmunk! :lol_tb: :lol_tb: :lol_tb: I am feelin ¨’ ya girl.

    I bet he is going to look freakin HAWT!!!!!

    Love how you summed it all up so succinctly! Spot on.

  • Chipmunk

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the #1 story in India

    Glamdog Millioniare :laugh_tb:

    Sorry, couldnt resist

  • Chipmunk

    interesting to read varying perspectives on how the gay community sees all of this.

    http://www.theadamlambertconnection.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1188

    Indeed! What a good read! Thanks Lizardino

  • Chipmunk

    Chipmunk! I am feelin ¨Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ ya girl.

    I bet he is going to look freakin HAWT!!!!!

    Love how you summed it all up so succinctly! Spot on.

    Oh its gonna be hawwt alright. Get ready to lick the fierceness!!!!!Hope the cover is glossy and waterproof :thumbup_tb:

  • saga

    interesting to read varying perspectives on how the gay community sees all of this.

    http://www.theadamlambertconnection.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1188

    Wow, that was a really good respons to the gay blog community, I wish everyone would read it.

  • agathe.hb

    Lizardino, that was a must-read!!!!
    I just cannot understand why these things happen – people who should be the MOST supportive of him are his enemies…. What is positive, though, is how many people defend him, now matter what denomination or orientation. Myself included :)

  • http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com Buderschnookie

    Wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Adam already on the cover of another magazine before the competition even ended? I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand what the big deal is

    Slow news day in Lambert land.
    So was this his first day off?

    Nails done in LA Friday everning, then nothing, right?
    God I hope he got to sleep in and laze around a bit.

  • Kath77

    I dislike Gokey much less after the Idolatry interview. Now he seems like a clueless dweeb kept in a musical vacuum all his life. Sad.

    Adam scoring the cover of RS is very much a big deal. In print media, the cover story sells the issue, and there are many many editorial meetings deciding the topic du jour to do so. It is about the $$$ and the fact that he was selected means that they think he will sell.

    It will also increase his exposure to consumers of rock music–the people who will actually buy his stuff. AI for all its high ratings has a low street cred when it comes to producing music that people will want to buy (with a few notable execptions). Adam on the cover of RS will expand his reach to those people outside the AI universe; some will be curious about him based on the coverstory and check out what he’s done. More iTunes sales for Adam.

    Finally, the coverstory will keep Adam in the media for 3/4 more new cycles as everyone processes it. By then the tour will have started and he’ll be back in the public eye. When his album drops, he will have never really been out of circulation.

    The cover of RS is key to the media marketing plan. I’m surprised to read that people are poo-pooing it.

  • agathe.hb

    sorry if posted before, but this was a great read for me – fun of everything Adam :)
    http://www.broadway.com/buzz/news_feature_detail.aspx?id=5023011&p=2

  • frogcooke

    Awee David A went up on stage at the Styx REO Speedwagon concert and sang a little bit of “rolling with the changes”

  • Kirsten

    Nearly every post on this blog ends up in a discussion of Lambert. Since day one.

    And that my friends is why Adam will be on the cover of RS. Why he rules Google searches. And why he is a star.

    No matter how some of us try, it always comes back to Adam

    If the ability to hijack threads on this blog at this point in the AI season is the litmus test for who should get the RS cover, Blake Lewis and Jeff Archuleta should have had their covers by now. Katharine McPhee should have been on twice.

  • frogcooke

    lol lol Kirsten

  • Pixie Baker

    Excellent, Kirsten! I sure wish I had your ability with snark and wit!

  • frogcooke

    Kirsten is just teh awesome! lol

  • WinkyDink

    jmom376:

    What happens in some seasons, IMO, is PSEUDO-fans of one Idol leaving insults on another Idol’s threads, youtubes, articles, etc.

    Gokey is the most ignorant-of-music singing-contestant I’ve ever seen. Pathetic.

  • Layla

    Hijacking a thread on a blog as nothing to do with the reasons Adam was chosen for the cover.

    I honestly don’t know why this is such a big deal to non-Adam fans ..it’s an entertainment mag that has chosen to put an AI contestant on the cover due to the buzz surrounding him. BFD. It just reeks of fan-war envy.

  • Victoria

    Awee David A went up on stage at the Styx REO Speedwagon concert and sang a little bit of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“rolling with the changesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    That video better show up eventually!

  • jpfan

    It’s not necessarily envy to wonder why the runner up gets more PR than the winner. I’m speculating that this was all put in place BEFORE the finale and was part of a planned PR roll out.

    Jann Wenner (publisher of RS) must be into stories of Idols in the closet (that’s his personal story) since Clay and Adam warrent covers while Carrie and Daughtry don’t.

  • BubbleGum

    I’m sorry but Carrie,Daughty,Kelly,David archuleta,david cook,jordin sparks they all made a point in the music industry.What they brought on there albums are entertainment.Clay and Adam both dont belong on that cover.This is why RS hasnt been selling lately.If they put worthy people on the cover they would
    sell more.

    I doubt Clay’s issue was the best seller since they had better people on there in the past.

  • TKat

    RS has this in the current issue:

    ‘American Idol’: Long Live Rock
    With apologies to Daughtry, David Cook and this year’s winner, Kris Allen, Adam Lambert is Idol’s first real rock star.

    American Idol’s eighth season has been its most rock & roll yet, with celebrity mentors like Slash and a breakout star in glam-rock sex-god Adam Lambert.

    My guess is that we should get a great, sexy cover photo, lots of oterh photos, a behind the scenes video from the photo shoot, and a feature article by a great writer.

    Note: Clay’s cover appears on the July 10, 2003 issue right after he had released “This is the Night” single and the “Bridge Over Troubled Water” album. (Pre-iTunes world.)

  • undercooked

    i

    nteresting to read varying perspectives on how the gay community sees all of this.

    http://www.theadamlambertconnection.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1188

    Wow, that was a really good respons to the gay blog community, I wish everyone would read it.

    Thanks for posting that. It was a good read. I think the RS article will be more balanced. People who still complain that Adam was on the EW cover should realize that the writer, Harris, is gay and I do believe his views fall into the “Gawker” catagory. EW was trying to out Adam (even though he wasn’t in) and they wanted to pressure him to respond to their article. When he didn’t, then came the tirade in “He’s No Role Model” blog.

    Jann Wenner (publisher of RS) must be into stories of Idols in the closet (thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s his personal story) since Clay and Adam warrent covers while Carrie and Daughtry donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t.

    I think Jann Wenner is the only one in the print media who can really understand Adam’s story. The Gawker and the angry mob at EW are not famous and did not have their personal lives disected in the media. Jann Wenner did. I have no respect for the Gawker and Harris and his EW gang. From what I read, when Wenner came out, it was brutal. The media was all over him. I imagine this is one of the reasons Adam went witih RS. I think there will be so much more depth here than if he went with People or some of the other magazines. Yes he could go with Newsweek or Time, but Adam is a singer working on his debut album. He has an amazing vocal range and members Rock’s royalty want to work with him. RS really is the only magazine that makes sense.

    I am really hoping that Adam tell’s his story. But wouldn’t it be awesome to have a piece by Jann Wenner, and a discussion about being a public gay figure? How the media treats it, etc. Someone on this board said this is a perfect opportunity to educate people. I hope this happens.

  • clearone

    The media is going to go nuts, and Perez can finally just get off of Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s back (for now at least!) My only worry is that after this, Adam and Drake lose any and all privacy they had and become fair game for the tabloids

    Perez will never get off Adam’s back….maybe for a day or two, but I have a feeling that PH wants Adam to stand up and be a force to be reckoned with in the gay community because of his celebrity status right now and I honestly can’t see that happening. I think he just wants to sing and perform right now, and not be an activist. Whatever he does it will never be enough for PH. He is such a inconsequential twit.

    As for Adam’s privacy, well, as I’ve been told many times when I worried about it for other celebrities, giving it up is part of the price of fame. God willing Adam is going to be totally in the public eye for the next year with the AI tour, his CD and his tour (pretty please!) so I don’t think he’s going to be able to hide much.

    The cover of RS is key to the media marketing plan. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m surprised to read that people are poo-pooing it.

    I’m not poo-pooing the cover. I’m poo-pooing the probable subject matter. I don’t think Adam’s coming out should be part of any publicity campaign. He should just be living his life and let everyone else be damned.

  • BubbleGum

    Adam isnt rocker.Allison is a rocker.Adam doesnt have that gritty voice.Adam is more glam-pop.People will be sad when there is no rock on his album.i think David Cook and Chris Daughty are more rock put together.I think even Kris will have more rock (soft rock) then Adam will.

  • undercooked

    Adam isnt rocker.Allison is a rocker.Adam doesnt have that gritty voice.Adam is more glam-pop.People will be sad when there is no rock on his album

    Oh, I don’t know about that. If you are a fan of glam rock, pop music or techno you might really love his album. Also, if you listen to his pre-idol song, Crawl Thru Fire song, it’s pretty rocking.

    .

  • BubbleGum

    Oh i heard his pre-idol album crawl thru the fire,pop goes the camera,kiss ans tell..My 16yr old daughty loved it.Me…not so much.Its not my style.There was nothing mainstream about it.

  • saga

    I think Adam is a rocker! :devil_tb:

    His a bit of a anthem singer to me and the best male anthem singer are rock dudes. If you want a more rock example of Adam thats not from idol, listen to the circle. I didnt know rock had to be mainstream, I thought that was pop?

  • Aileen

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹American Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢: Long Live Rock
    With apologies to Daughtry, David Cook and this yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s winner, Kris Allen, Adam Lambert is Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first real rock star.

    This statement is so OTT, it almost seems desperate. Who at Rolling Stone is such an Adam fangirl/boy that such statements are made before the guy put out any of his own music? Putting down other AI alums, especially ones that have already had platinum sales from their own efforts is also silly and tabloid worthy. I’m not too impressed.

    It’s a very simple concept. If you’re going to praise someone, it should be on his own merits. To try to praise Adam by saying that Daughtry, Cook, and Kris are not worthy, is an old time trick of trying to make one look better by belittling others. Doesn’t work in real life. Success needs to be earned. Adam didn’t quite do that yet.

    Sad thing is that I like Adam, and purchased his music, but what has been going on especially with Rolling Stone, and the statements that he is the best ever really turned me off from him. Maybe it’s not fair to Adam, but that’s how I feel.

  • May

    “This statement is so OTT, it almost seems desperate. Who at Rolling Stone is such an Adam fangirl/boy that such statements are made before the guy put out any of his own music?”

    Exactly. If someone read this article then looked at most of Adam’s performances on idol (with the exception of mandatory rock week and the Aerosmith song), they would be a bit confused. I don’t get the impression from Adam’s interviews that he wants to put out a pure rock album. He mentions wanting to do a fusion of different genres which I think is a good path for him. I also think that the RS writer is probably mixing up 80s rock with more current rock and defining 80s style rock as the only true rock. I guess that saying that Adam is Idol’s 3rd true rocker (and what about Bo Bice?) doesn’t sound as good as saying he’s the only one.

  • BubbleGum

    I agree with Aileen.I loved Adam but its getting really annoying know.Its not Adam’s fault.The media/headlines is turning me off from being a Adam fan.
    I know its not fair but I have had it.

  • undercooked

    With apologies to Daughtry, David Cook and this yearà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s winner, Kris Allen, Adam Lambert is Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first real rock star.

    This statement is so OTT, it almost seems desperate. Who at Rolling Stone is such an Adam fangirl/boy that such statements are made before the guy put out any of his own music? Putting down other AI alums, especially ones that have already had platinum sales from their own efforts is also silly and tabloid worthy. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not too impressed.

    I get what you are saying, but I think, (and I could be wrong), the writer is talking more about Adam than his music. Adam really has been then most rebellious of any performer on AI. ROF, Led Zepplin, Born to be Wild (remember Rocky Horror picture show reference) to name a few of his performances which I believe no one ever expected to see on the AI stage. What is a rock star? A rock star is edgy and bigger than life. I think Adam lives that rock and roll lifestyle more than the others. He’s out there doing his thing, pictures be damned, and making music.

  • Tess

    I’ve been trying to get ANYONE, ANYWHERE to define rock and a rock Artist for me…and since I get a website full of different responses and different definitions I’ve given up on ever having a definitive answer to my question.

    The best description of “rock” that makes sense to me is: “rock is a generic term for the range of styles that evolved out of rock’n'roll.” I think it is best described as what it isn’t rather than what it is.

    So, since I wouldn’t describe Adam’s genre as classical, or hillbilly, or rhythm & blues, or country western, or rap/hip-hop, jazz, latin, new age, or religious then he pretty much falls into the rock/pop genre. And since the real definition of “pop” is ANYTHING that is popular that leaves that genre pretty open to interpretation.

    So for me, yup Adam is rock! He might not be the same “type” of rock artist as Daughtry or Cook but he still falls under that classification.

  • karenw

    Adam isnt rocker.Allison is a rocker.Adam doesnt have that gritty voice.Adam is more glam-pop.People will be sad when there is no rock on his album.i think David Cook and Chris Daughty are more rock put together.I think even Kris will have more rock (soft rock) then Adam will.

    I don’t think that you can classify Rock as having to have a gritty voice …. Queen have always been known as being a rock band but I wouldn’t say that Freddie Mercury had a gritty voice. To me Adam can’t be pigeonholed into one genre .. his voice seems to be able to adapt to many genre’s of music. How many other singers could pull of his version of Mad World or Tracks of My Tears and then produce what Adam produced when singing Whole Lotta Love.

    Adam himself admits that he’s not one thing or another but a mixture of many .. to me vocally he’s a chameleon who can sing many different styles without losing the fact that it’s him .. perhaps it’s just me but I can recognise his voice whether it’s a heartfelt ballad, a techno pop song or a rock song he’s singing.

  • BubbleGum

    Adam fits into the pop/dance genre

  • undercooked

    Adam fits into the pop/dance genre

    Still got to disagree. His pre-idol stuff, espeically his recordings with his band Citizen Vein, certainly suggests that he can fit into rock just fine. We just have to wait and see what kind of album he puts out, but there is enough of his pre-idol stuff out there to suggest that his album could go in many directions.

  • Violator

    I get what you are saying, but I think, (and I could be wrong), the writer is talking more about Adam than his music…What is a rock star? A rock star is edgy and bigger than life. I think Adam lives that rock and roll lifestyle more than the others. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s out there doing his thing, pictures be damned, and making music.

    I agree with Undercooked. I also think they see the ‘it’ quality that Adam has. You could see people reacting to it this past week during some of his interviews.

  • Aileen

    Adam himself admits that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not one thing or another but a mixture of many .. to me vocally heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a chameleon who can sing many different styles without losing the fact that ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s him .. perhaps ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just me but I can recognise his voice whether ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a heartfelt ballad, a techno pop song or a rock song heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s singing.

    Yes. This is a sign of an incredible performer; an actor at his best blessed with an amazing voice. Rocker, better than Daughtry and Cook. No. Rolling Stone is going to look pretty silly next November when his album comes out.

  • BubbleGum

    Until Adam has a album I will say Cookie,Daughty and even Kelly are more rock than he is.

  • saga

    Yes. This is a sign of an incredible performer; an actor at his best blessed with an amazing voice.

    I don’t think Adam is acting a musician/singer if that’s what you are implying. I think he has shown he is the real deal just as all the others on AI this season. As what for what will come next we’ll just have to wait and see. There is no reason to put him down or proclaim him god. If you’ll like what his coming album sounds like you buy it, if you don’t like it, let it be.

  • undercooked

    Yes. This is a sign of an incredible performer; an actor at his best blessed with an amazing voice. Rocker, better than Daughtry and Cook. No. Rolling Stone is going to look pretty silly next November when his album comes out.

    You should check out some of the youtubes of Adam with his band Citizen Vein. It really is rock. But again, I don’t think Rolling Stone was talking about music, but more of the “it” factor that Adam posseses. I really didn’t see them dissing Daughtrey’s or Cook’s talent. Just that there are some people who come along that command attention. Adam, in their opinion, is the first contestant that has that “bigger than life” persona.

  • Tess

    Until Adam has a album I will say Cookie,Daughty and even Kelly are more rock than he is.

    I’m not making a judgment here but I’ll just use the genre’s posted by Itunes. (and since this is the largest music purchasing site and people go here to look for their stuff I think it might be a fair indicator).

    Genres listed by Itunes: alternative, blues, christian, classical, country, dance, electronic, hiphop/rap, jazz, latin, pop, r&b/soul, reggae, rock, singer/songwriter, soundtrack, vocal, world.

    Only Daughtry shows up under rock. Kelly and Cook under pop.

    And, for now, Kris and Adam also show up under pop.

  • LaurelG

    People who still complain that Adam was on the EW cover should realize that the writer, Harris, is gay and I do believe his views fall into the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Gawkerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  catagory. EW was trying to out Adam (even though he wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t in) and they wanted to pressure him to respond to their article. When he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t, then came the tirade in à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s No Role Modelà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  blog.

    God, I wish some mainstream journalist would write a scathing article about the gay nazis out there (Perez, Gawker guy, Adam Markovitz of EW) who are trying to push their own agenda (and work out their own insecurities) through Adam. They have been unbelievably horrible to him. That response to the Gawker blog posted above brought a lump to my throat. Thank you, thank you to the responder who obviously has such a gift for words that he/she was actually able to penetrate the Gawker guy’s shield and force him to hear and understand even a small portion of the hurt he is perpetrating. Why the gay community would do this to one of their own is beyond me, although I believe it’s only a small but vocal minority. Best part of the response? When the responder outed Richard the Gawker guy on the real reason for his Adam vitriole, namely his “unGodly” lust for Kris (which has been fairly obvious all season). What a hypocrite.

  • karenw

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Adam is acting a musician/singer if thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what you are implying. I think he has shown he is the real deal just as all the others on AI this season. As what for what will come next weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll just have to wait and see. There is no reason to put him down or proclaim him god. If youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll like what his coming album sounds like you buy it, if you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like it, let it be.

    Totally agree.

    Personally when I hear any type of music I don’t label it any specific genre .. it doesn’t have to be categoriese .. I either like it or I don’t .. if I like it I buy it, if I don’t like it then I don’t buy it.

  • undercooked

    God, I wish some mainstream journalist would write a scathing article about the gay nazis out there (Perez, Gawker guy, Adam Markovitz of EW) who are trying to push their own agenda (and work out their own insecurities) through Adam.

    This! It needs to happen. There was something really rabid about how some of these bloggers/writers dealt with Adam’s AI run.

  • saga

    That response to the Gawker blog posted above brought a lump to my throat. Thank you, thank you to the responder who obviously has such a gift for words that he/she was actually able to penetrate the Gawker guyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s shield and force him to hear and understand even a small portion of the hurt he is perpetrating.

    I really wish Richard would answer to the last input from that responder.

  • Tess

    I love reading about “all” of the idols, past and present, since I kinda have this feeling I “know” them even though I have never met them and probably never will. It’s just about a certain degree of familiarity that you establish just because you read and listen and watch someone.

    For me, hopefully, I will make my decisions on who I like and don’t like based on my own reactions to someone. Yup, I get really tired of hearing about Danny Gokey but it won’t influence me whether I support him or not. If someone puts Danny on the cover of a National Magazine I just won’t buy it, I won’t go running down the street waving my arms around and yelling “how could they, how could they?” I’ll just laugh and move on realizing that somebody likes Danny or the magazine wouldn’t have wasted their money. Will I insinuate that the magazine is failing because they resorted to putting Danny on the cover, probably not. Will I laugh and poke fun at the magazine…you bet! Poor Danny, nothing is going to put me in your corner.

  • Calliope

    Rocker, better than Daughtry and Cook. No. Rolling Stone is going to look pretty silly next November when his album comes out.

    The rock that Daughtry and Cook do never really played well to cultural commentators/music critics, so I can see where they aren’t that enamoured with it.

    Having said that, you can be dance-rock and still be considered a rock star. Shirley Manson of Garbage was considered a rock star in the 90s because of her vibe/attitude/package, yet Garbage were not full-on “rawk” but electronic/rock hybrid. I think Rolling Stone is talking more about the appeal/vibe/attitude than just looking at genre.

    They could look silly in November when Adam’s album is out, but they could be validated since we don’t know what is coming out. I swear, part of his master plan on the show was to keep people guessing and it set it up for the post-show.

  • cwg509

    Adam says he will do pop songs, pop/rock, and dance music. I believe him, but I think the marketing focus will be on his pop and dance (radio ready) music. I don’t think for a second that he will try to revive some dated version of rock/glam rock, except in his outfits perhaps!

    One thing that occurred to me, I think there is a vast difference between his personal sexuality (which should be private) and his PERFORMANCE sexuality. Clearly, he’s not uncomfortable singing something like Whole Lotta Love or Ring of Fire, in ways that are appealing to women and men. It would not surprise me in the least if he continues to do this in music videos, and concerts, regardless of what he says in RS. There’s room for sexual ambiguity in current music/art (check out this month’s W story with Ginnifer Goodwin or the band Of Montreal, for examples) and I think Adam embodies that very current edginess. Like Madonna and Prince, Bowie, now Lady Gaga, etc and many others, it is accepted that this is part of the performance and has almost nothing to do with someone’s personal life (which is better remaining somewhat mysterious, I think).

    Hopefully the RS article will emphasize these things, and if mainstream America doesn’t get it, Adam has at least brought them much closer.

  • lovecert

    Rock is just a wide genre. How would you classify Evanescence then?

  • leome

    Tess, the last place you should look for music genere is Itunes. LOL Believe me, far from being a fair indicator. They don’t care about that. I was just there and Dave Matthews Band is under Pop. Actually, Daughtry was pop till a few months ago, they changed it recently. Most things are “pop” there, I think for marketing strategy, because Pop sells more on itunes, so if you’re in the top of pop lists more people might see you. Cook’s album is pop in US, but is Rock in the european music stores. Itunes is not the place to define music.

    The problem with Rock is that it’s very snobbish. There are many people who think Rock is some sort of golden thing that not everyone can touch. But the real world outside of that bubble doesn’t have anything to do what those snobs think of rock. And that’s why bands like Nickelback, even if so hated, have tons of success, because they make music for the masses and everyone, and not music for a small group of people who think they are better and superior than all the rest. I do not like Nickelback, but if so many people are fans, they’re doing something for all those people. And I will never comprehend those who attack bands like Nickelback, who actually make their music, who actually SING, and then go and kiss Britney Spear’s ass, someone who can’t do music much less sing. And yes, RS does that.
    In pop, folk, country… we don’t hear expressions like “real pop” or “country poser”… that’s all reserved to rock.
    When Adam comes with a pop album, I wanna see RS calling him a real rocker.

  • jlc

    I don’t really put much credence in catagories. And I don’t think it makes much difference as a marketing tool, except, perhaps, to the tweens & teens–if at all. Most people (imo) like all kinds of music and aren’t going to buy or not buy according to genre. My iPod holds everything from Josh Groban to Peter Frampton with some Fleetwood Mac, Carole King, Sarah McLachlan, Eagles, Gordon Lightfoot and then some, in between. It also contains David Cook, Kris Allen, and Adam Lambert. Arguing that an artist is either one or the other these days is like trying to decide between curly fries or french fries–they’re both still potatoes–just in different shapes–so it doesn’t really matter which one you choose, you’ll still get your fried potatoe fix.

    As for contestants doing covers of “old” songs on AI rather than more current ones–as far as I’m concerned songs don’t age. Giving an old song a new twist is what the music industry does to make it new again, and current. I can remember riding in the car with my mom as a teen and on the rare occasion that she let me listen to “my” radio station, sometimes a song would come on that I just loved and I would say to her “I just love this new song by so&so” and she would laugh and say “that isn’t a new song, that song has been around forever–Frank Sinatra (for example) did that song originally”.

    I had never heard of Chris Cornell until last year’s season of AI. And I didn’t hear Ryan introduce DC’s “Billie Jean”. When he started singing it, I was on the phone with a friend and I said: “I don’t recognize this song” and then, when I finally recognized the lyrics it blew me away. I scared the crap out of my friend on the phone when I burst out with “OMG! He’s singing MJ’s “Billie Jean”!!!’ And I must say, as many Cook fans have, that it was friggin awesome.
    David Cook made Bille Jean new for me. (Yes, I know it was CC’s version) but I heard it first from Cook. If I had heard CC’s version prior to Cook’s I would have felt the same way. As far as I’m concerned, if you twist and reinvent an old song, it IS a new song–and current. I still love MJ’s original version, but now I also love Cook’s. One song, two completely different styles. As for Kris’ version of “Heartless”–I love it! And I would never have known it was a remake as I don’t listen to Kanye’s stuff and had never heard it before. Once I checked out Kanye’s version on YouTube, I didn’t like it. The point is, it was a “new” song to me when I heard Kris sing it.

    Music and songs change, yet stay the same–just like fashion. Does this generation think they invented hip huggers & bellbottoms? Think again.

    I only watched these last two seasons of AI from start to finish. I am invested in David Cook, Adam Lambert, and Kris Allen. I have bought, and will continue to buy their music. While I like the few songs I’ve heard on the radio from Daughtry, I don’t buy his music. Same goes for all the other idols. I just wasn’t into them from the start so I can’t appreciate all the hype. On the other hand, I have turned many of my non Idol watching friends on to Cook, Lambert, and Allen–and they have purchased their music as well. So I don’t think watching AI has anything to do with whether they sell or not. Yes, I realize it remains to be seen what kind of album the two latter put out, but I think I have a handle on their styles so I don’t think I’ll be disappointed.

    One random thing: A detail I love about Adam is that I can understand every word he sings. And not necc. because I already knew the songs. He manages to pronounce almost every word distinctly and I’m not left wondering what the hell he’s singing about. His annunciation is nearly flawless–and I appreciate that.

    (Anyone remember that song ” I’d Really Love to See You Tonght” by England Dan & John Ford Coley? I used to think they were saying: I’m not talkin’ bout the linen“–but what they were really saying was “movin in” lol
    And Jimmy Buffet’s “Margaritaville”–thought he was saying he “stepped on a Pop Tart”—never could figure out how you’d cut your heel on a pop tart.)

    silly….

  • MissM

    If David Cook and Kelly Clarkson were so “rock” they’d be played on the Rock stations, but they’re not. Rock radio hates them. They’re pop artists. I don’t know about Daughtry, but he seems to have a tad more cred in rock than Kelly and Cook. If Adam indeed does collaborate with Queen on an ongoing basis, his rock cred just shot up about 10 fold. Slash has apparently told Adam that he really wants to record with him, so there’s another feather in Adam’s rock hat.

    We’ll see what happens with him. He is very, very interesting and I can’t wait to see what his album sounds like. Judging by his pre-Idol music, it should be really awesome. He’s a very gifted songwriter.

  • Tess

    Isn’t music all about perception and how “we” perceive a song (and the we is singular in this case). Rock to me will always be Pink Floyd and their music is light years different from most “rock” artists. David Cook (right now) isn’t rock to me but he may go there as his music and his cred moves forward. Kelly is strictly pop (even though she has covered many a female rock artist) just like Carrie is country. It’s how I think of these artists. You may think of them totally different.

  • leome

    If David Cook and Kelly Clarkson were so à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“rockà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be played on the Rock stations, but theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re not. Rock radio hates them.

    Probably not in the US, but their music is played in rock stations in other countries, where they’re seen as music artists instead of American Idol winners.
    I don’t care if they’re rock, or pop, or folk, or country… but if rock radio hates them is not because of the music they’re making. They play stuff like Hinder and well… lets not even compare Hinder to Cook or Kelly.

  • bean99

    I enjoyed reading the Billboard article about Michael Johns. I’m glad his upcoming album is getting some notice.

  • erinnthered

    I heart you, Kirsten.

    I enjoyed reading the Billboard article about Michael Johns. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m glad his upcoming album is getting some notice.

    I’ve actually liked what I’ve heard so far, and I’m looking forward to hearing the whole thing. He’s seems to be charting too. Nice.

  • Natasha

    If someone offers you the cover of Rolling Stone you’d be nuts not to take it. Clay was on it even though Ruben won so it’s not like this is unprecedented.

    Thanks for posting the Gawker back and forth.

  • wand3rful

    my local rock station (LA KROQ) wouldn’t be caught dead playing Daughtry, Cook or Clarkson….they consider Kelly pop, and the boys soft rock (Nickleback alert). however, they did play clips of adam singing on AI and gave him props for his vocals. will they eventually play his songs/album? TBD

    Cover of RS is a bit of a non event for me…they’ve lost relevance a while back. Sorry, but you cant pretend to a be a serious, wanna be hipster, anti-pop culture mainstream, supporter of real talent and then place the cast of the Hills on your cover. (puke, barf….and i say this as a person who has watched the Hills LOL). they’ve become an Us Weekly hybrid…..just trying to make a buck based on whatever internet/pop culture trend is hot at the moment.

    note: internet/pop culture trends do not equal amazing talent. ex: paris hilton, nicole ritche, kim kardashian, etc……..

    i just think this has to do more with “outing” adam and benefiting from that publicity rather than believing adam is the next coming of bowie/elvis/whoever. IMO, but i see them using adam …..i wouldn’t be surprised that when his album drops so will their support.

    sincerely,

    pessimistic peggy and debbie downer

  • Heart

    God, I wish some mainstream journalist would write a scathing article about the gay nazis out there (Perez, Gawker guy, Adam Markovitz of EW) who are trying to push their own agenda (and work out their own insecurities) through Adam.

    This! It needs to happen. There was something really rabid about how some of these bloggers/writers dealt with Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s AI run.

    YES! I do not understand why no one (outside of the show like Kris, Paula, Simon) has come to his defense! Why doesn’t anyone famous defend Adam from Perez/the other gay nazis/media wolves from having to publically record his sexuality? I am hoping that Rolling Stone will back him up and take a stand.

    Anyway, I’m tired of reading about the subject. I am hoping he is at the MTV Movie Awards so we can have some new Adam news!

  • ShariG

    Okay, this a depressing bunch of press stuff. I am sick of the AT&T nonsense. Don’t really want to read anything else Danny Gokey has to say, ever, am a little tired of the press still pushing Adam, and even more tired of the same press not giving Kris the respect that he is due. There was a nice article on Kris in this week’s People and another one in this week’s US magazine. I bought both magazines strictly for the articles on Kris Allen. I am looking forward to the issue of EW that will feature an article on Kris as well. Some of these articles posted here are downright insulting to Kris and to his fans and of course do not provide an opportunity for feedback.

  • JOJOSIE

    The article from http://www.adamlambertconnection.com was one of the most enlightening things I have ever read. It might give some who are so tired of the media coverage of Adam’s sexuality a little more prospective in how this affects Adam and other gay youths. Gawker guy really met is match and more in the responder, who works with a youth hotline. Would be good for kids and adults to read as it has a powerful message. Good find. :clap_tb:

  • linsav

    JOJOSIE May 31st, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    The article from http://www.adamlambertconnection.com was one of the most enlightening things I have ever read. It might give some who are so tired of the media coverage of Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sexuality a little more prospective in how this affects Adam and other gay youths. Gawker guy really met is match and more in the responder, who works with a youth hotline. Would be good for kids and adults to read as it has a powerful message. Good find. :clap_tb:

    Thanks for posting about this, this is a powerful response to the Gawker guy. A must read for everyone.

  • erinnthered

    Great post, wand3rful! So much truth there.

  • Anastasia72071

    naomit
    about Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s interview:
    It is very hard to understand what is he saying. it is like even himself doesnt clearly know what he wants to say. and quite often he will say a few words, stop, and try to explain it in another way, which just makes me more confusedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    That’s the thing that really bugs me about Danny – He NEVER clearly knows what he is trying to say. He stumbles and backtracks and repeats himself (repeatedly). Whenever I hear him speak, trying to figure out what he’s saying gives me a headache. He & Paula must come from the same planet, because neither of them speak any human language I’ve ever encountered.

    That being said, I haven’t watched a single Danny interview since the end of the show (I have avoided them like the plague). I just had to vent a little, because it’s morning (*not* a morning person!), it’s going to be a perfectly beautiful hot sunny day and I’m stuck in the office until 5pm. Boohoo!
    :help_tb: :glurps_tb: :annoyed_tb: LOL

  • Anastasia72071

    KrisAllen1
    Ruben and Taylor werent mainstream.Neither was Fantasia.Kris is differant then those idols.He is mainstream.He fits in with todayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music.Gokey doesnt even fit with whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s on the radio.There are producers saying how they dontthink he can make albums.

    Gokey doesn’t even KNOW what’s on the radio.

  • Anastasia72071

    undercooked
    Would it be too much to hope for an Annie Leibovitz cover?

    Oh PLEEEEEEEEEZE?!?!! Pretty please with whipped cream and chocolate sauce on top (I like the top :lol_tb:)? I think that would make my year. lol

  • oceana

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not necessarily envy to wonder why the runner up gets more PR than the winner.

    Um, because American Idol is a tv show, and Rolling Stone is a magazine in the real world? Yeah, something like that. Simon Fuller or Ken Warwick don’t tell magazines in the real world what to do. LOL. Rolling Stone doesn’t have to follow the Idol “rules”.

    The whole world is not involved in the Idol fan wars.

    Yes, a RS cover still means something. It was immortalized by that song, “On the Cover of the Rolling Stone,” after all. Great song, ha.

  • oceana

    The problem with Rock is that ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s very snobbish. There are many people who think Rock is some sort of golden thing that not everyone can touch. But the real world outside of that bubble doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have anything to do what those snobs think of rock. And thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s why bands like Nickelback, even if so hated, have tons of success, because they make music for the masses and everyone, and not music for a small group of people who think they are better and superior than all the rest.

    Bravo. My sentiments exactly. Those rock snobs can go crawl back under their rocks. No pun intended. Seriously, f that.

    Rock is a huge genre that encompasses all sorts of rock music. To try to limit it and decide what is “real rock” or “pure rock” sounds like the Nazis trying to maintain the pure race, or some religion that thinks they are the only ones who know the way to God. Seriously, talk about pretentious.

  • oceana

    Just for fun, for anyone who doesn’t remember it, the lyrics to that song:

    ARTIST: Dr. Hook
    TITLE: On the Cover of Rolling Stone

    Well we are big rock singers, we’ve got golden fingers
    And we’re loved everywhere we go
    We sing about beauty and we sing about truth
    At ten thousand dollars a show
    We take all kind of pills to give us all kind of thrills
    But the thrill we’ve never known
    Is the thrill that’ll get you when you get your picture
    On the cover of the Rolling Stone

    {Refrain}
    Rolling Stone
    Wanna see my picture on the cover
    Rolling Stone
    Wanna buy five copies for my mother
    Rolling Stone
    Wanna see my smilin’ face
    On the cover of the Rolling Stone

    I’ve got a freaky old lady name o’ Cocaine Katy
    Who embroiders on my jeans
    I’ve got my poor old gray-haired Daddy
    Drivin’ my limousine
    Now it’s all designed to blow our minds
    But our minds won’t really be blown
    Like the blow that’ll get you when you get your picture
    On the cover of the Rolling Stone

    {Refrain}

    We got a lot of little teenage blue-eyed groupies
    Who do anything we say
    We got a genuine Indian guru
    He’s teachin’ us a better way
    We got all the friends that money can buy
    So we never have to be alone
    And we keep gettin’ richer but we can’t get our picture
    On the cover of the Rolling Stone

    {Refrain}