American Idol Headlines for 05/25/12 - The Evening Edition

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Jessica Sanchez and Phillip Phillips both have pages at Interscope Records HERE and HERE.

‘Idol’ Winner Cloaks His Talent in Modesty – If Phillip Phillips had been craving a victory on “American Idol” this season, he did an outstanding job of hiding it. Mr. Phillips is a secret sophisticate, often going to great lengths to mask his evident gift. Throughout the season he was shy and humble, even as his fingers, as applied to his guitar, displayed serious dexterity, and his voice, scratchy and earthy, showed real range and power. – Read more at NY Times

Heejun Han on Phillip Phillips Win “I’m Pretty Emotional” Interview

Carrie Underwood: CMT Insider Interview (First of Two Parts) – In an interview with CMT Insider host Katie Cook, Underwood said, “I wanted to switch things up, shake it up, do some different things, write some different ways. … We took more time to produce them and really get in there. I feel like I’ve only gotten better as a singer, as a songwriter, and I know what I want to hear.” – Read more at CMT

Kellie Pickler to Spend Memorial Day Weekend on USO Tour – Have you ever noticed the tiny star tattoos on Kellie Pickler’s left arm? Each star represents one of her overseas USO trips, immortalizing what the country star says is the greatest joy of her career. Just in time for Memorial Day weekend, Kellie has embarked on her fifth international USO tour, so we may see some new ink on her arm soon. – Read more at The Boot

Haley Reinhart Tells World to ‘Listen Up’ – American Idol alum Haley Reinhart was all spandex, crop shirt and curls at the radical release party for her first record, Listen Up! What I loved about her was her determination, how openly she talked about the realities of her career and that she had no back-up plan — she was going to make it! – Watch the video at The Insider

Taylor Hicks – Idol Hangover interview Part 2

Britney Spears She Has ‘X Factor’ Qver a Barrel – Fact is … “X Factor” wanted Britney so desperately, she was able to negotiate terms that are “unheard of” — so say people with direct knowledge of her deal. As one source put it, “Simon is a smart and shrewd businessman who knew Britney could make his show and he was willing to give her just about anything to come on board — and he did.” So Britney is allowed to walk off any time she wants. And that’s just the beginning. Britney can do just about anything she wants … and get $15 million in the process. – Read more at TMZ

 
  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=743390233 Zach Leswick

    Waiting for Hollie’s official website then I’ll be happy. She had the best performance on the finale period and deserves some sort of deal.

  • loosegoose

    MJ, you might want to add this to the headlines, from the New York Times:”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/arts/television/american-idol-winner-phillip-phillips-modesty.html?_r=1&hpw

  • Anonymous

    No one is probably interested, and everyone probably already knows it, but I saw a movie this week called October Baby.  Chris Sligh was in the movie and he also had several songs in the movie.

  • clearone

    Aw Heejun……..I love his and Phillip’s friendship.  I think it was very appropriate that he was the first one to Phillip after Jessica. 

  • Indigobunting

    How was that movie?  My newspaper gave it a really bad review (also on Rotten Tomatoes reviews) so I didn’t consider going.  I am probably a little prejudiced too, because every ‘faith-based’ movie I have seen has been second rate, from Courageous to Soul Surfer (sorry Carrie fans, my daughter and I couldn’t even finish it , it was so boring, poor acting).  It’s like they think Christians will swallow any poorly made film if it mentions the Lord :/  Kind of insulting to Christians, IMO.

    But I have certainly seen movies the Critics love and I hate, so you can’t always trust the critics!

  • Trina

    Hollie, Josh, Jessica and P2′s official domains were transferred over to UMG’s server on 5/8 so it could potentially be good news on that front.  Hopefully we’ll start hearing stuff soon.

    From that NYT article lol

    In recent weeks, when he and Mr. Phillips were performing the contrived duets the show cruelly imposes on contestants (and viewers), Mr. Ledet looked as though he were singing for his supper. Mr. Phillips looked as if he were waiting for it to be delivered. 

    LMAO!

  • Lovesyesha

    I need my Hollie music stat! lol

  • http://twitter.com/therocprince Cory ??

     Are you serious? Hollie was out-shined by almost all the other female finalist on both group performances. Shannon (who really stepped it up), Skylar, and Erica KILLED at the finale…Hollie was just as bland as she ever was.

  • Anonymous

    1st video I’ve seen of Kris’ performance at the KIIS-FM Idol viewing/after party Wednesday night. Unplugged performance because (as Kris demonstrates) something happened to his guitar on his plane flight.

    I’m guessing more vids will pop up on this channel:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obTz7kpm2s0&feature=youtu.be&a 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cassie-Barker/100002717671001 Cassie Barker

    Totally disagree with you. 

  • Lovesyesha

    “Are you serious? Hollie was out-shined by almost all the other female
    finalist on both group performances. Shannon (who really stepped it up),
    Skylar, and Erica KILLED at the finale…Hollie was just as bland as
    she ever was.”

    haha, that’s your opinion. In my opinion, Hollie was the person this season gifted with the best voice, and the only one who never over-sang or growled. For me she was the only one who delivered pure vocals every week, and was a breath of fresh air in a sea of people who relied on shouting, runs, and growling.

    But you are entitled to your opinion ;)

  • http://twitter.com/TweetsFromFrank Frank

     Hollie hardly had any parts to sing during group performances. Obviously Shannon stepped it up because that’s probably the last time she will ever perform on a stage at front of a big audience.

    Hollie’s run on Idol was like a bell curve. Started off high, went low with Honesty and Jesus take the wheel, and then went back up again. She placed 4th for a reason – not because she’s vanilla bland

  • Anonymous

    The two interviews with Taylor for Idol Hangover were probably the best I’ve seen from him. It probably reflected his real personality more than any. I loved his comments (from part one) on Phillip and his need to get used to his coronation song. Haha.

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    I became a big fan of Hollie’s during the show. I think she has a gorgeous voice and a lot of potential. Of the females, I bought 4 or 5 of her songs, 3 of Skylar’s and Erika’s lone one. I think Skylar will be fine in country but I think Hollie has should have a good shot somewhere. Really liked her duet with Jordin.

  • Anonymous

    I am happy for Heejun! He’s going to drop an album in Korea (I love Kpop. I wonder what kind of music he’ll be making and with which company) and a show here in the US. I guess we’ll have to wait for the details at a later time. 

  • Anonymous

    I always thought Hollie’s voice stood out in a pleasing way during group performances. 

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    I want Heejun to sing in English and get a record out here. Love his voice! 

  • Anonymous

    Me too! The tone of his voice is so beautiful.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OSOOTOBRL4XGHQNICOXCCN5IXQ lisa

    loved Hollies voice I will def buy her cd!my opinion,it was perfection 

  • Anonymous

    video from Kris’ cd signing at the Walmart in Conway tonight. Not much actually happens in the vid other than Kris signing his cd & taking pics with people. But the shot of him holding this teeny baby is cute.

    Looks like there were hundreds of people at this, so that’s good.

    http://thecabin.net/news/local/2012-05-25/video-kris-allen-album-signing-walmart#.T8BY89VAbDz 

    ETA – pics of Kris holding the baby. I mean seriously…CUTE overload

    http://twitpic.com/9paelj

    http://twitpic.com/9pafk2

  • Anonymous

    That is a tiny baby!  Kris’ face was adorable.  I would look surprised like that holding such a tiny sweetheart, and I’ve had three babies.  Mine were bigger, lol, thank you bananas, icecream (vanilla), bagels and peanut butter. 

  • Anonymous

     THAT IS JUST THE CUTEST!1!!

  • http://twitter.com/Petehewy Peter Hewitt

    Which performances did we not get to see? Just the pre-taped Kelly Clarkson one, were there others too?

  • Anonymous

    Weekend Countdown Shows

    MuchMusic Top20 Video Countdown (05.25.2012)
    #02 One Direction “One Thing”
    #13 The Wanted “Chasing The Sun”

    Rick Dees Top 40 (05.26.2012)
    #05 “What Makes You Beautiful” One Direction
    #13 “Call Me Maybe” Carly Rae Jepson
    #05 “Dance Again” Jennifer Lopez
    #15 “Glad U Came” The Wanted
    #27 “Young Homie” Chris Rene
    #28 “Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You”) Kelly Clarkson

    Rick Dees HOT ADULT (05.26.2012)
    #06 “The Wanted “Glad You Came”
    #10 “Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You)” Kelly Clarkson
    #12 “What Makes You Beautiful” One Direction
    #20 “Call Me Maybe” Carly Rae Jepson
    #30 “Outta My Head” Daughtry
    #34 “Good Girl” Carrie Underwood
    #37 “Better Than I Know Myself” Adam Lambert
    #39 “The Vision Of Love” Kris Allen
    SS “Free” Haley Reinhart

    CMT Top 20 (05.25.2012):
    #01 “Good Girl” Carrie Underwood

    CMT Pure 12-Pack (05.25.2012):
    #05 “The Trouble With Girls” Scotty McCreery
    #06 “Good Girl” Carrie Underwood
    #07 “I Wanna Be That Feeling” Bucky Covington
    #09 “Crying on a Suitcase (From CMT Listen Up)” Casey James
    #11 “Georgia Peaches (From CMT Listen Up)” Lauren Alaina

    GAC Top 20 Country For the week of May 18th – May 25th:
    #01 “Good Girl” Carrie Underwood
    #06 “Georgia Peaches” Lauren Alaina
    #10 “Mr. Know It All” Kelly Clarkson
    #19 “I Wanna Be That Feeling” Bucky Covington

    Crook & Chase Country Countdown – (05.26.2012)
    #04 “Good Girl” Carrie Underwood
    #30 “Mr. Know It All” Kelly Clarkson

  • Anonymous

    Video: Kris Allen – Banter & LLWD – B98.5 Radio  (Little Rock, AR)

    ( They met Shawn from Boys2Men & Cale went to see them perform at AR Riverfest last night.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar7KpB-8N_Y&feature=youtu.be 

  • Anonymous

    Audio: Kris Allen ~ The River 106.3 Interview ~ 5.25.12 (Little Rock, AR)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWCM6vVMWjE&feature=youtu.be 

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    “If Phillip Phillips had been craving a victory on “American Idol” this season, he did an outstanding job of hiding it.”
    “even when he underwhelmed, he came off as a bored genius in a remedial class going through the motions.”

    That New York Times story is a mystery to me. Does the author think that P2 is such a genius and an artist that its totally OK to underwhelm, look bored and generally act like he didn’t care about being there, or is the author maybe joking with his hyperbole of Pretty Fly For A White Guy -praise? 

  • getaway1

    All I know is that Jon Caramanica of the New York Times is one tough as nails critic. He despises most Idol contestants with a vengeance and has made no bones about slamming them with every review.

    This is a great testament not only to Phillip, but to Josh as well.

  • Anonymous

    How about he likes Phillip because he came across as not interested in idol. Didn’t play the game.

  • Tess

    I think that Jon, like others, are impressed that Phillip was Phillip on American Idol and didn’t play to the cougars, or the tweenies, or the old ladies that some say are the mainstay of Idol.  He sang in his style throughout the competition when he had his own choice.  He didn’t try and sing big OTT ballads, or dance on the stage to prove that he was more than a sit on the stool guitar strumming white guy with some stories to tell.  He went ahead and mangled melodies, sang in his three note range and proceeded to connect to a whole lot of people (proven that after 3 days he is still doing OK on I-tunes).  Some may compare him to Lee Dewyze who did the same thing but Lee never really had the charisma and self-awareness to pull it off.  I think a whole lot of peeps are underestimating Phillip.

  • Anonymous

    That was a stunning NY Times review!  Just stunning!  And the author was quite accurate in his analysis, even for those of us who have some doubts.  This is so unusual, I sure hope someone shows P2 and Joshua a copy.  Peepee should probably fall all over himself with joy… but he probably will not.  This review is IMPRESSIVE!

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    That is pretty much the consensus that I have been getting from bloggers who are fans of his, excusing some of his piss poor performances. 

  • http://twitter.com/CanadianLady2 CanadianLady

    Not that I think Phillip had many bad performances, actually, but I would assume that his health issues were at least part of the reason. He did say  his inner ears didn’t work on “The Time of Season” and that he wasn’t at all happy with it.

    His dad said he was functioning at about 50% of his normal self because of his health issues. He wasn’t not trying; I think he was giving it all he could just to be there and get through it.

  • Wes Parker

     I think maybe you might want to read that review a little more closely.  I think that Caramanica identified the problem with most of the contestants this year.  After praising both Phillips and Ledet for their originality and their avoidance of being stamped by the Idol cookie-cutter, he wrote: “Many of the other competitors were gifted — maybe as many as in any
    season of the show — but their impressive technique was paired with
    little capacity for feeling. (Skylar Laine, the young country firecracker, was a notable exception.)”

    I think that’s a pretty good summary, and sums up what was wrong with Jessica and Hollie.

  • Wes Parker

    If you’re going to mine quotes, you should include the whole thought:  “Mr. Phillips is the fifth fundamentally sensitive white male singer in a
    row to win, which probably indicates stagnation in the “Idol” voting
    base more than it does a resurgent interest in tepidity and
    middle-of-the-road rock. It is no small thing, and worth noting, that of
    these white men he is easily the best, not a dullard nor a mook nor a
    boy made good. He was steadily great throughout the season, never once
    in the bottom three, and even when he underwhelmed, he came off as a
    bored genius in a remedial class going through the motions. “

  • Anonymous

    Phil lucked out with a great coronation single. One that doesn’t stretch his limited vocals too far, but sounds like a real live song. I bought the song and I’ve hated nearly EVERY Phil performance, so in my estimation it’s the song selling Philip, more than Phil the artist selling Philip. I haven’t seen anything he’s done that’s shown any type of true artistry, his arrangements were all identical on the show, nor have I seen anything that proves he’s more than a mediocre singer at best. John Mayer, Damien Rice, and Jason Mraz all sing in a similar style but with way better voices, so if given the option between Phil or them I would chose them everytime. Having said that if he puts out more music like Home, I would probably buy it and not because I think Phil is a bored genius, to me that is laughable, but because a good song is simply a good song no matter who’s singing it. It’s the reason singles from Rihanna, Katy, and Britney are on my ipod even though I think they are the farthest thing from true talents and artists. Of course their albums aren’t, just cherry-picked catchy singles. Home doesn’t convice me that Phil is a talented artist, it convinces me that Home is a good song. By they way has he dropped the line about that not being his first single yet? I hope so, because the song is money.

  • OffLeash

    I hope the site layouts for the top 2 are temporary. They look really amateurish. In fact, I’m pretty sure many people, myself included, could do better. 

  • OffLeash

    Thanks for the link.

     It is no small thing, and worth noting, that of these white men he is easily the best, not a dullard nor a mook nor a boy made good. He was steadily great throughout the season, never once in the bottom three, and even when he underwhelmed, he came off as a bored genius in a remedial class going through the motions.

    Wow!

  • OffLeash

    I agree. The duet Jordin-Hollie was the best performance of the finale for me too. The others were more like screaming matches, not my cup of tea. 

  • getaway1

    Phil lucked out with a great coronation single. One that doesn’t stretch his limited vocals too far, but sounds like a real live song. I bought the song and I’ve hated nearly EVERY Phil performance, so in my estimation it’s the song selling Philip, more than Phil the artist selling Philip.

    But he also continues to have 7 of his Idol songs on ITunes Top 100. And his compilation album is #2. So, it’s not just “Home”.

    He has a good song, but it’s also his interpretation (the emotion, the feeling) of the song that has made it worked.

  • too-cool-for-school

    The NYT article isn’t much different than sentiments expressed in most reviews I’ve read, that though vocally Jessica is superior, Phillip came across as more composed and ‘ready’ during the finale.

    Which I agree with as I felt that she lost major ground in the last few weeks, whether it be due to nerves or with the difficult songs they gave her + having the less appealing coronation song. She seemed rushed and not as confident as she had before, which I think Joshua hit the same wall, sadly.

    If Phillip ever needed to make it count (even if he always had it in the bag), it was at the very end and I think he did. He won the last two weeks hands-down for me. Amusingly, (or not-so-amusingly, for many), it was because he didn’t really have to change anything and stayed the same, then appearing the strongest. Slow and steady wins the race? (an annoying Aesop quote/moral for everyone. ;P)

  • Anonymous

     i dont feel like phillip lucked out but he definetly got the right song for him, and it goes to show what picking the right song can do, because obviously he had alot of fans, but has gotten a lot more that may not have been if the song had not been as good.  Scotty was no. 1 itunes, and his album no. 2 as well, with ilytb which unfortunately wasnt as good a song as home, so phillip should sell well

  • Anonymous

    Dullard=Kris, Boy=Scotty  Mook=Lee

    I’m not trying to be provocative but is that what the NYT is trying to say.

    Changing the Idol voting system has nothing to do with P2 winning. It’s clear by iTunes that he probably won by a wide margin.

    Home should be released to radio asap. I think it will do well but the Idol afterglow is short lived. They need to move quickly before the caravan moves on. ;0

  • Anonymous

    All I know is that Jon Caramanica of the New York Times is one tough as nails critic. He despises most Idol contestants with a vengeance and has made no bones about slamming them with every review.
    This is a great testament not only to Phillip, but to Josh as well.

    I don’t know about this.  Caramanica thinks that he is too cool for most music, especially anything that is popular.  He works for the NY Times, and given AI’s fading popularity, he could have stopped covering, and more importantly stopped watching the show years ago, so the fact that he still does both, and seems to partake in other things that are AI related, makes me think that a lot of the things that he says are just meant to cover up how much he enjoys watching the show.  The same thing goes for all of those critics who wrote articles about the X Factor and Voice that were 80% about American Idol.

    Tess said: I think that Jon, like others, are impressed that Phillip was Phillip on American Idol

    I think this is why a lot of viewers liked him. It’s why after the save, I said that both Joshua and Jessica should give performances that showed what they would do post AI, instead of trying to impress some of the the viewers, or do what the judges or producers wanted them to do. Unfortunately, that didn’t happen.

    Things have changed on AI, Daughtry was crucified by a lot of people for not playing the game, and for making every song a rock song, even if the week’s theme was MoTown. A few years later, Scotty Mccreery is lauded for making every song a country song, and sticking to his style.

    Maybe people should put the blame on Daughtry, since he showed how profitable it can be, when people use the idol platform to let everyone know who they are as an artist.

  • Anonymous

    i think idol picked a song for him that appeals to a broad audience, and its about time that they finally got a decent coronation song. I hope phillip sticks to that style because ido think he was able to pick up a lot of new fans because of the song.
    I think its funny that the writer refered to scotty as a boy, he was a boy, while a younger looking teenager, what was he supposed to do about that

  • revcat

    Phillip has already proven he can sing live and do a fine job as long he stays in his range. And his fans don’t care if his range is limited. There is just something about him that touches them and, at its core, that is what music is all about.

    Personally, I appreciate all sorts of singers including those with amazing skills. I actually bought more songs by Joshua, followed by Holly, then Phillip, Elise and Jessica in that order. Am rooting for Philip and hope the WGWG “controversy” doesn’t dog his career. I hate stereotypes and would like nothing better than seeing Phillip prove the naysayers wrong!

  • Anonymous

     i dont thing the wgwg will dog his career,. I think People have stated things in the past the wgwg that dont sell are going to ruin idol.  Actually phillip may do really well, which actually may get rid of this negative wgwg thing, because then you have david cook whose ist album was sucessful, scotty whose album is successfly (gone platinum in todays market) , phil who probably may be successful. So therefore there may have only been 2 out of the 5 that werent

  • Anonymous

     

    Phil lucked out with a great coronation single. One that doesn’t stretch
    his limited vocals too far, but sounds like a real live song. I bought
    the song and I’ve hated nearly EVERY Phil performance, so in my
    estimation it’s the song selling Philip, more than Phil the
    artist selling Philip. I haven’t seen anything he’s done that’s shown
    any type of true artistry, his arrangements were all identical on the
    show, nor have I seen anything that proves he’s more than a mediocre
    singer at best.

      ITA, and there is ZERO PROOF that he’s a gifted songwriter. Phil’s  “artistry” and “originality” are still yet to be revealed, in my opinion.  The fact that he stuck to his guns throughout the competition is more a testament to how stubborn he is than any sort of statement regarding talent or artistry.  That stubborn streak also kept him pushing forward despite painful health issues.  The guy has cajones and character…The jury is still out on the rest.

  • getaway1

    And to Phillip’s credit, he always had the attitude of going out there, having fun, staying true to who he is and not let the rest of the competitive stuff over whelmed him. And I think that came across and made more relatable. I also think the mis-steps made him more relatable. He’s only 21, not a lot of professional experience, just starting out.

  • Anonymous

    I’m trying to remember what Jon C wrote about those guys during their seasons. I remember that he liked Adam much more than Kris during S8, but when their debut albums came out, he preferred Kris’. I think he said generally positive things about Scotty. I think he preferred Crystal to Lee, but I don’t remember.

    It’s pretty obvious that Philip won by a landslide. That likely doesn’t mean much in terms of his or Jessica’s future careers, other than providing him with some nice sales numbers for the first week or so of it. I do think they should push “Home” to radio. I think that Scotty got a huge boost by having a coronation song that did well on the country charts and went gold. Likewise, even though his coronation song was not good, the fact that it sold so well and got radio play gave David Cook a big boost. People have short term memories when it comes to this stuff — if you don’t have music out, it’s easy for all but the hardcore fans to forget about you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MV64BS4FSISCASL4P656RXAFYQ Kayla

    I could have sworn that the only time Jon C liked Adam was during Idol tour, although he liked someone (Allison? Danny? I can’t remember) better. But during the season he dogged him a lot, and LOL he did not like FYE at all, it was one of Adam’s worst reviews for that era that consisted mostly of fairly positive ones.

  • Wes Parker

     Gosh, MJ,  Jimmy told us it was true.  Isn’t that enough proof?

    Seriously, there’s one song out there on YouTube by P2.  If you like his style (I do), it’s pretty good—but obviously one song doesn’t make a body of work.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    It’s the winner’s effect. The same thing happened with Kris and he had a terrible coronation song. By the time the fall rolled around, he sold 80K his first week with his debut album. The same comments were made about the emotion, the feeling that Kris brought to his songs. It helped him win the title, but three years later he is struggling with his second album. The things that the AI voters love about their Indie-pop-alt. rock WGWGs aren’t the things that translate to success in the real music world.

    AI viewers love their cover songs, especially from those WGWG types who “change things up”. P2 also has the advantage of the fact that he was given a decent coronation song. That will help keep this song higher longer and will bring the others up as well. Itunes sales of a bunch of cover songs won’t mean a thing a few months from now or two years from now. The Jury is still out, way out, on P2 and what he can do after the show.

  • Anonymous

    i think idol picked a song for him that appeals to a broad audience

    I think the opposite is true.  They picked a song that will fit a niche audience, and that’s pretty much the first time in the history of coronation singles that they’ve done that.  In the past, they’ve tried to please everyone with both the coronation singles and the debut albums.  That’s why it’s been so hard for idol alums to find an audience, and why a lot of the early alums did better on the AC chart, but none of the other ones.  

    Home is the first coronation song that’s aimed at a specific audience.

  • getaway1

    I don’t anyone has claimed that Phillip current Itunes sales will define the rest of his career. By the same token, it is way too early to predict he will fail based on a pre-conceived stereotype. In as far as ITunes, it is surely better to have that than not. I would think that TPTB, Jimmy Iovine and Simon Fuller aren’t unhappy with Philllip at this point

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I think that Jon, like others, are impressed that Phillip was Phillip on American Idol and didn’t play to the cougars, or the tweenies, or the old ladies that some say are the mainstay of Idol. He sang in his style throughout the competition when he had his own choice. He didn’t try and sing big OTT ballads, or dance on the stage to prove that he was more than a sit on the stool guitar strumming white guy with some stories to tell.

    Are you kidding? That style of sitting on a stool strumming his guitar and telling his stories is EXACTLY what appeals to the cougars or the old ladies that are the mainstay of Idol. The fact that he was young, cute and strummed the guitar appealed to the tweenies. He had this thing in the bag for a long time.

    Those cougars don’t won’t their chosen WG to sing big ballads or dance on stage. The want him to dress like he is doing yard work, be humble and non-offensive, flip songs, stick to “who he is”, and play a guitar often or on occassion.

  • Anonymous

    Odds are that he will not sell a ton. And if he doesn’t, he will definitely get tagged with the WGWG, at least by people in the Idol bubble. People who don’t care about Idol are less likely to tag him with this moniker. TBH,  I really don’t see why people think he’s going to sell big; his genre simply does not sell many albums these days. There is the random artist in the alt rock/Triple A genre (which is what Philip pretty much is) who sell big, but they are the exception, not the rule. This is nothing against Philip, it’s just a fact — most alt rock acts do not sell a ton of albums or singles. Maybe Philip will turn out to be one of the exceptions, but the odds are not in his favor, especially when the majority of alt rock & Triple A stations have shown that they are extremely resistant to playing stuff from ex-Idols. And Philip still has to prove that he is a strong songwriter — he can rearrange other people’s songs to suit his style very well, but can he write strong original material. If he can, that will definitely help his odds of being successful. Of course, this is true of all the ex-Idols who are considered to be songwriters as well as performers. :)

    I am very interested to see if Interscope (or whatever label under UMG he signs with) is able to find a way to get alt rock/Triple A stations to play Philip’s music. If they are able to do this, well then, his odds of being commercially successful will go way up. But until this happens, I’m skeptical that he will sell much. He might be one of those people who gets critical acclaim but only moderate sales. I used to be much more optimistic about Idols selling well, but the last few years have taught me to really lower my expectations. Scotty and Adam have done well for themselves, but of the more recent Idols, most of them have had moderate success at best. So I have a hard time thinking the S11 Idols will be any different. I should live in Missouri — I want them to “show me” they can be commercially successful, rather than just assume that they will be.

    He doesn’t seem like he cares about being famous or selling a bunch of albums, so I have a feeling he will be fine no matter what, just as long as he is able make a living as a musician. And he will likely be able to do that for the next several years, at least. I wish him much luck with his career, and hope that he is able to prove me wrong in terms of his odds of being a commercial success.

  • OffLeash

    There’s a winner effect, but there’s also a runner up effect. Judging from the iTunes downloads, Jessica didn’t benefit much from it. I think it’s not too far-fetched to believe Phil won this by a landslide. 

    Lauren’s post show effect was HUGE last year. And all the previous runner ups benefited from the runner up effect.

  • OffLeash

    I mentioned this in another thread, but don’t forget Jimmy said he got the female vote and the country vote. Maybe after Skylar was eliminated they noticed a huge majority of her votes went to Phil, and all season Skylar and Phil had been splitting the country vote. 

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    I don’t anyone has claimed that Phillip current Itunes sales will define the rest of his career. By the same token, it is way too early to predict he will fail based on a pre-conceived stereotype. In as far as ITunes, it is surely better to have that than not.

    Basically, that. P2 has a couple future items he’s gotta accomplish, but there’s nothing in his existing situation that dictates he can’t do ‘em.

    1. Be the key songwriter on his debut album while still hitting Interscope’s goal of getting music out fast. Iovine has been hinting that P2′s going to be treated like a songwriter, so the only issue here is whether the timing’s realistic.

    2. Get songs on the album that are true to his musical vision (whatever it turns out to be) while still hitting the right buttons for mass appeal, so that the sales numbers justify the massive winner’s advance and P2 can build a non-Idol base for himself on radio. The odds are good that this calls for working with experienced cowriters and developing some skillz at learning the useful tricks and skipping the rest. There’s also a production role in this, and Iovine had hinted that a producer’s already chosen.

    If P2′s a skilled songwriter, works fast, and plays well with others, he has as decent a shot as anybody.

  • Anonymous

    Those cougars don’t won’t their chosen WG to sing big ballads or dance
    on stage. The want him to dress like he is doing yard work, be humble
    and non-offensive, flip songs, stick to “who he is”, and play a guitar
    often or on occassion.

    Older women have much broader tastes than you’re giving them credit for. Even the so-called “edgy” Idols have middle class ladies dialing their bloody fingers off for them. Any contestant who has any sort of success on Idol, even if they come in second, has managed to appeal to the middle class. Contestants who don’t have broad appeal have a hard time making it out of the Top 24.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I don’t really buy into the cougar meme, but I was responding to Tess who seemed to think that the older female voters would typically go for the male big balladers or boys who danced on stage. If they went for those types of singers, chances are good that we wouldn’t have five WGWG types in a row.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    The question is: why wouldn’t there be a runner up effect for Josh, Haley or any of the rest of the top 5 or 6? Was Phil the only contestant that the large majority of viewers cared for? Viewers didn’t care for big ballads, old school R&B, country, or rock? All they seemed to like was the Dave Matthews alt.rock- WGWG type performances.

    If that is really true, this show is going to repeat the same pattern over and over no matter how good the female or non-white male contestants are. Adele could compete next year and not win.

  • http://twitter.com/MoriaPolonius Moria Polonius

    If older women of Idol persuasion had broader tastes, one of non WGWGs would have eventually won. A 5th one in a row means that while some of them might vote for an “edgy” one, the middle call ladies have a clear type and that’s a guitar strumming boy.

    Seeing what’s happening at Idol I would venture to say that the watchers who actually might vote for “edgy” have mostly stopped watching the show and that’s why the results are what they are today: America’s favorite grandson/boyfriend.

  • Anonymous

    Lol, of course Phillip didn’t sing ott ballads, you have to have more than a 3 note range to be able to do that. The guy knows his limits and the songs were arranged, successfully or not, to fit that range.

  • Tera2

    Are you kidding? That style of sitting on a stool strumming his guitar
    and telling his stories is EXACTLY what appeals to the cougars or the
    old ladies that are the mainstay of Idol. The fact that he was young,
    cute and strummed the guitar appealed to the tweenies. He had this thing
    in the bag for a long time.

    Those cougars don’t won’t their chosen WG to sing big ballads or
    dance on stage. The want him to dress like he is doing yard work, be
    humble and non-offensive, flip songs, stick to “who he is”, and play a
    guitar often or on occassion.

    I agree.  I think Phillip appeals to a certain category of middle aged women and middle America demography who seem to play a strong role in idol winners in past few years, and they are the ones who also attends the idol tour most and producers know that too. That demography tend to like his singer songwriter strumming guitar types and country contestants.  He also picked a lot of songs during the show that are from the 70′s classic rock vibe and singer-songwriter style that appeals to their taste, so its no surprise he will sell all this covers on itunes, but its the country singers those fans show strong support for when they actually release CD and in the long run.  I dont think Phillip’s sales will be as strong when he releases his own CD and he will have to rely on radio, and he wont get much support from radio cause of his singer-songwriter/Indie-rock vibe.  But Phillip knew exactly that WGWG gets votes on idol and he chose songs that will appeal to that demography even if he acts like he doesnt care.

    Jessica sales may not be like his on itunes, but her original music style Pop/R&B/Hip-hop will sell more internationally.  That style is big in south Korea and Phillipines too.  She will definitely do well there and Asia and those countries have been loyal to idols who dont even have roots there.  She has covered Rihanna before idol, and likes Beyonce and their music style is big internationally.  They just need good catchy songs for her CD.   I dont look at how the songs they perform during the show sell on itunes to gauge how their CD will sell.  Its gonna be about whose style fits radio and is commercial.  Phillips was better at picking songs that appeals to that particular middle age women/middle America and it helped him on the show, but he isnt gonna sell as well as Scotty.  Haley Reinhart sang Adele’s songs and was good at picking songs that will bring her votes, but her own CD didnt do well and not gonna appeal much to mainstream radio.  Idol needs to discover more stars that will have commercial success.  Its starting to look like other shows like The Voice and Xfactor with mediocre sales where most of the CD arent selling well.

    Also, I dont think Phillip is really gonna be good at coming up with nice melodies for his original songs.  He messed around with songs on the show, but all his interpretations of melodies sounded similar and nothing special even if some thinks it makes him creative.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t get that Phillip doesn’t want to be famous and just wants to make a living. American Idol was the second reality show he tried out for, he doesn’t fit the fabled “oops, I applied for a reality singing show” meme.

  • Anonymous

    Your argument is weakened by the fact that “older woman” is only one of the known voting blocks of the show. I might argue that the “older woman” voting block was SIGNIFICANTLY larger for Adam, the “edgier” contestant, than it was for Kris, but that Kris had broader appeal and tapped into some of the other voting blocks, eg Christian, Southern, Country, Male (admittedly small, but it all adds up), teen girls, etc. Unfortunately for Kris (and fortunately for Adam) the “older woman” voting block appears to be the most valuable one in terms of supporting the Idols once the show is over.

    Not only are you making an assumption about the breadth of taste of older women, but your argument really breaks down with your assumption that specifically their taste is the determining factor. Now if you wanted to make an argument about broadest appeal and lowest common denominators (ie. safe always trumps polarizing) I would have your back.

  • http://twitter.com/MoriaPolonius Moria Polonius

    I don’t understand how that ties into the American Idol audience having a type?

    (One that yes, Phillip Phillips with his ability to rearrange songs to fit his limited range – and more importantly, being white, having a dick, nice face  and an instrument – perfectly falls into.)

  • too-cool-for-school

    her own CD didnt do well and not gonna appeal much to mainstream radio.

    Ha-ha, I don’t think Haley’s album is going to go platinum or anything (sadly), but it was just released, er, five days ago and only one single released thus far. I don’t think we can deem it a failure just yet. :)

  • Anonymous

    Jon Caramanaca was not a big fan of Adam during season 8. He gave a mediocre review of FYE, mainly because he wanted more rock. He did give Adam and Danny a great review for their tour performances and was scathing towards others, mainly Kris. He liked Kris’s album tho.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, I don’t see how you can make any kind of statement regarding “who has the most older woman fans.” The fact is, they ALL have them. From Daughtry all the way through. And they also have a mix of male, Christian, young, international, etc. This trying to peg certain Idols as having the bigger share of middle-aged fans is pure speculation and spin.

    If you are a male off Idol, you are going to have a ton of “Cougars,” and that’s about all that can be said.

  • http://twitter.com/MoriaPolonius Moria Polonius

    Your argument is weakened by the fact that “older woman” is only one of the known voting blocks of the show.

    That was actually MJ’s argument, not mine. From her post I gathered that they’re the ones that matter the most since she decided to ignore the tweenies Taylor was talking about. 

    I might argue that the “older woman” voting block was SIGNIFICANTLY larger for Adam, the “edgier” contestant, than it was for Kris, Unfortunately for Kris (and fortunately for Adam) the “older woman” voting block appears to be the most valuable one in terms of supporting the Idols once the show is over.

    This is the funniest thing I read today, thank you!

  • Indigobunting

    “He despises most Idol contestants with a vengeance and has made no bones about slamming them with every review.

    This is a great testament not only to Phillip, but to Josh as well.”

    I don’t see that at all. He is a tough critic, but is tough on everyone-not just Idols in particular.

    Jon Carmonica also gave Danny a good album review too.  Although he called it “christian pop dressed up in wranglers” lol.  He liked the music, just didn’t think it was country enough.  He loved IWNSGB, calling it “devastating”.

    He gave Kris’s album a good review too, but I thought it was annoying how he reviewed Kris and Adam together :/

    He gave Crystal Bowersox’s album a really stellar review (compared to his usual reviews, lol).

  • Incipit

    “America’s favorite grandson.”

    Oh. Funny. Except, it doesn’t match the demographics, unless you have some fresh Intel? Viewers and Voters are not the same thing – and No one seems to be able to make up their minds on the voters, anyway. Either it’s the Teens doing all the power voting, in which case, Grandson? or it’s the Idol demographic average – in which case – only if they were all Child Brides.

    I believe we were told the average age viewer’s age was now 47? But if we have an average Voter’s age – I missed it. So four years ago – when it was 43 – who was young enough to approach ‘Grandson’ territory? Contestants in their mid twenties could be ‘favorite son’ – but not Favorite Grandson.

    Anyway – think about it – the further up the average climbs, the closer one gets to viewers who were raised on Rock music – and still listen to it, and not the present day ‘strummy’ kind. The Bon Jovi fans, to the Springsteen fans, to the Grunge and Post Grunge fans, to the Hair Metal fans, to the Stones, the Beatles, and eventually to The King. (And Queen is in there somewhere too – so not ‘strummy’) Heh.

    And I’m generalizing like crazy – but that’s OK – because so is that “Favorite Grandson” snark…with much less statistical validity. IMO. And we don’t ‘know’ who is voting.

  • Anonymous

    Sue, I think you’re making assumptions also. All of these guys have older female fans. I’ve seen pics from Adams shows, Kris’s shows, David’s shows and there are lots of older women for all of them. I see Kris and Adam making inroads into younger audiences tho. It was cool to see two Bieber fan twitters, with 300k and 500k followers, tweeting about Adams Trespassing album.

  • http://twitter.com/MoriaPolonius Moria Polonius

    Viewers and Voters are not the same thing – and No one seems to be able to make up their minds on the voters, anyway.

    Which makes Grandson as valid a descrption as any and hey, I wasn’t the one focus on older women.

    But changed that to grandson/boyfriend. Still a WGWG either way.

  • Anonymous

    “This is the funniest thing I read today, thank you!”

    Glad I could amuse you. ;)

    I am actually a big fan of Adam and his music, and have no real interest in Kris (although his latest album is very nice), but I’m just trying to be honest. Adam’s older woman fanbase is at least as big as Kris’ but I think that the reason Kris won is that his AI appeal was broader and he was less polarizing. This has nothing to do with their real world appeal outside of the Idol bubble. I am talking strictly about their respective succesess on the game show.

  • http://twitter.com/MoriaPolonius Moria Polonius

    Any actual data to back that up? 

    Because I think the real world appeal outside the Idol bubble is actually the only indication of who might have voted. Assuming that the Idol voting audience isn’t entirely composed of older women. And Adam’s the one who has some appeal amongst the Bieber crowd. 

  • Anonymous

    Of course they do, I couldn’t agree more. Never said othewise. Cook arguably had the largest Cougar fanbase EVER on the show. All I’m saying is that Adam and Kris split that fanbase, and Kris obviously, at least in terms of voting on the show, had other fanbases behind him as well. How do you explain Kris’ win if not to say that he had more people voting for him? I don’t think it’s very controversial to say that Adam was more polarizing than Kris?

    The reason I think Adam had a larger Cougar fanbase is because he sold more than Kris immediately coming off of Idol, before he had significant radio play, which means that those are Idol Bubble sales. Cougars buy Idol albums – perhaps their attention spans are longer than tweens, and their interest is higher than male causal viewers. Also, if you look at attendance at their concerts as another measure, the proportion/percentage of Cougars to Youths might be the same, but the fact that Adam had on average larger audiences means that he has more Cougar fans. Again, not saying he has a higher percentage of Cougars. It might be harsh to say, but at this time, right now, Adam has more invested fans than Kris. Who knows what the future holds?

  • Incipit

    “Which makes Grandson as valid a descrption as any…But changed that to grandson/boyfriend.”

    Naw – it really doesn’t.  I still can’t blithely ignore the numbers – and add another generation to the demographic to come up with grandparents. Also. The assumption and inference about what the average age and gender of the audience means is still as insulting as ever – and always will be. As if the music preference has nothing to do with who the demographic votes for. So hard to look at the history of music when they were growing up, and consider – they have more reason to prefer Rock?

  • Tess

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/22/arts/music/22idol.html
    As a comparison here is Jon’s article posted at the same time after season 8 as his current article.  Enjoy.

  • Anonymous

    Dude, did I say thst Adam doesn’t have appeal amongst the Bieber crowd now, or that he didn’t have any appeal to tweens on the show? If you want to discuss real world popularity that is a WHOLE other discussion. As a pure Pop artist Adam is clearly courting and winning the youth market more than Kris is.

  • Tess

    Thanks for telling ME what I think….though you have my statement and premise turned upside down and backwards to fit your argument, not mine.  I don’t recall David C. sitting on a stool and strumming a guitar, nor did Scotty.  Don’t have a clue what Lee did and never really cared about Kris because this old ladies focus was on Adam who did get the juices flowing when he moved those hips. I also liked when Taylor used the stage and when Daughtry was flipping that old mic stand around and doing his stuff in front of the judges table.

    I think Phillip did what Phillip has probably always done…and he probably never gave a thought to the WGWG meme that floats around.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    It doesn’t matter if P2 gave any thought to the meme or not, he fit the bill.
    Scotty fit the WGWG category, as well.

  • OffLeash

    WGWG isn’t a genre. They were all different, and Scotty was a country singer.

  • Anonymous

     So hard to look at the history of music when they were growing up, and consider – they have more reason to prefer Rock?

    Given that there was some really great R&B/soul music, folk, country and country-rock, and yes, hip-hop, being released in the 70s and early 80s (and with the exception of the last, in the 60s as well), I think that at a certain point  the positive coefficient on rock-leaning songwriters and their relative placements reflects more about which subset of an audience demographic feels the show is catering to its genre preferences than anything else.

    As I’ve said, the show is American Idol.  There should be an expectation that all genres are represented by the contestants and all viewers have the chance to see that representation spread around a little.  I think it’s honestly too late for that, largely because in S9 the top 10 casting was nearly all singer-songwriters operating in the alt-folk-rock sphere (and one country singer and one singer being pushed to go country-pop).  I think many viewers whose preferences were outside of rock and country gave up.

    I’d like to think the show could fix it if they announced some changes, and I think it would be good press to do it even if it wouldn’t accomplish much, but I don’t know if that will happen.

  • Tess

    What is a WGWG…and I don’t mean what do the letters stand for.  Is it like saying someone is a balladeer, or a diva.  And how do you describe a black guy who thinks he is Fantasia in disguise, or a country sweetie that is Miranda all over down to the hips.  No where in the letters WGWG does it say that someone sits on a stool, no where does it say someone is soft rock.  It doesn’t say anything about singing in a country genre.  It is no more descriptive than saying someone is a dumb blond and probably tells us about as much about the person as that statement does.

  • too-cool-for-school

    I feel like Phillip being the first rocker to win since DC gives him some shot at selling albums. Kris and Lee are the two WGWGs that have impressed the least sales-wise, with Kris being pop and I think Lee was more on the indie folk-rock side of things but his album wound up being pop.

    That didn’t stand out to people whereas Cook’s first album did, and also Scotty in country. Kris and Lee, the pop realm is overcrowded and I don’t know if they ever had a prayer in the long run, which I say with a heavy heart because they’re both really talented. Cook I can kinda see bouncing back, maybe not in the mainstream but with more underground rock fans.

    P2 on the other hand, IMO the rock genre needs something a little different and with the right material, I think that his sound, if it’s the one he describes aspiring to and not so much the Mumford & Sons vibe (though ‘Home’ is a good song), would be welcomed and people would be interested. Getting radio to play his singles, yes, that’s the tricky part. That’s no easy thing these days I’ve noticed.

    Whether his numbers are huge or not, I think/hope he will have a considerable level of success. I know we have yet to find if he’s a good songwriter but I have some faith. Kris has proven himself to be a really good songwriter despite doubts people had, so I have hope for Phillip too.

    (Woah, long post. If anyone reads all that, God bless you. xD)

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    They’re just slight variations on the same theme – the theme being WGWG.  You can argue until you’re blue in the face how different they are musically.  But bottom line, they have more in common than they don’t have in common.

    White, male, cute, likes to strum a guitar and hails from “the heartland” of America. FIVE. TIMES. IN. A. ROW.

    How many more times does this need to happen before you’ll acknowledge the pattern?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    A WGWG is a contestant who is caucasian, has a penis and has played the guitar on the Idol stage on occasion.

    http://rushfieldbabylon.com/post/23642232523/i-am-a-singing-contest-prophet

    Joshua would be a black male old-school R&B singer.
    Skylar was a white female country singer.

  • revcat

    Well some people give a guy who thinks he is Fantasia a nickname, Mantasia :) but not me, it’s just that they both come from the black gospel background and Fantasia is Joshua’s idol. I voted for Fantasia but haven’t bought any of her stuff. However, I did see her on Broadway in The Color Purple. She can sing without being OTT but her duet with Joshua was crazy! Not sure in a good way but definitely polar opposite of Philip. There was something for everyone this season!

  • revcat

    Don’t disagree with your comments, but will be so happy when the term Cougar falls out of favor, ugh! If anyone ever calls me that Imma gonna pop ‘em!

  • revcat

    Re voting on Idol, I voted on occasion in the past, but stopped after the Adam/Kris finale. The more I learned about power voting, the more turned off I got. Voting seems futile unless you power vote and I may have the time but I definitely don’t have the inclination to sit there and vote for two hours. I can’t imagine anyone but a family member being that invested!

  • http://twitter.com/MoriaPolonius Moria Polonius

    And I said I believe the only way to judge who might have voted on whom on Idol is looking at the post-show audience.

    I’m sorry, but unless there are any data saying that Kris’s voters were let’s say 50% under 18, 40% 18-50 and 10% over 50 and Adam’s 10% under 18, 40% 18-50 and 50% over 50, you are just guessing based on absolutely nothing. I’m not saying my argument is as strong as a rock but at least it’s based on the fact that Adam does have a confirmed appeal to younger demographic. From which I deduct that the younger demographic watching the show must have voted for him. I don’t see the confirmed appeal of Kris for younger demographic from which I deduct it was the older people who voted for him.

  • Incipit

    standtotheright, I don’t disagree – and I like a lot of those genres – but I have seen the Bait and Switch that happened between 19 and Sony – and Interscope is an unknown quantity.  They all want to please the Corporate owners of Radio – and that doesn’t reflect music I’ll buy, to me. All genres are not represented by the contestants, because all genres don’t sell equally – no matter what the Viewers/Voters may prefer. IMO, there’s good voices turned into fodder and used as a hook  – and they’re quickly disposed of.

    Old School R&B/soul music is cool, but only good for theme weeks -  – because that’s not the kind of R&B that Labels make nowadays. Country-rock – well, if I was around Idol for Bo Bice’s season, I would have voted for him – and after Clive made his “Very Special Album” – I would have been very disillusioned.

    But I knew the story – so when Casey James had to smooth the edge off his Roadhouse Blues after Season 9 and go MOR country, just to get radio play, I wasn’t surprised.  Not that we ever saw his real music on idol, in 90 second bites. The cast is becoming narrower because what the Label can sell to radio is doing the same. Even Taylor is going country now.

    Season 9 wasn’t ever going to work w/the Suits, even for people who like that sort of strummy option -  – and Season 10, The First Year of the Very Young People, lotta non- country folks opted out when Haley was so obviously not who TPTB wanted.  This year – I was jazzed, (you should excuse the pun) – because there were two women who had some jazz/rock/blues/soul between them – and between them – they couldn’t get past Soft Emo  – or a wanna be Hipster w/Guitar who could sing the songs that were on youtube.

    I don’t consider either one Rock – but I can see why people would vote for them anyway – if one doesn’t like country or Pop – rock v2012. is the only option of interest left that may survive to the end of the show – and even then – the music? Only gonna work in Concert. Maybe.

    What Idol and the Label want out of these casts and what much of the viewing audience is looking for doesn’t meet in the middle…and as long as the demographic doesn’t match the music Idol is pushing (I mean, Diva’s?) for the benefit of pop radio, it’s not gonna. JMO. Of Course.

  • Anonymous

    Any popular idol off AI is going to have – Shock! Horror! – older female fans, because there is a large demographic of older ladies who watch the show and are passionate about it: at least in the short term.

    As it seems to be a badge of shame, both in the eyes of the media and in the eyes of net commentators, on this board and elsewhere, it is equally a common aim of all fanbases to try to prove that their ‘special snowflake’ (love that term) either a) doesn’t have – Shock! Horror! – older lady fans; b) has a lower proportion of older lady fans than their main rival from that year (or whichever past Idol has become the current whipping boy for proving that said ‘special snowflake’ is not.like.all.the.rest irrespective of evidence to the contrary); or c) that even if they do have older lady fans, they most definitely, certainly, without argument have other fans too, whereas that other guy most definitely, certainly does not ( or at the most has two or three documented cases).

    Because there surely cannot be anything worse than old lady fans now can there? And ‘old lady’ here actually means anyone over the age of about 25…

    The funny thing is that I’d bet my last pound (dollar) that most people posting on this board are of the female variety – and I’d kind of suspect that many are over said designated age of approval.

    All Idols – special snowflakes included -  carry a number of ‘undesirable fans’ with them from AI, according to the media, who think that only males or females between the age of 14 and 25 are worth anything at all. But, from what I’ve seen, of the idols I’ve kept an eye on, all of them also have male fans and also have young fans of both genders and this becomes more balanced as time goes on.

    And I speak as one of those sad specimens of humanity: a 40ish year old female who still listens to, loves and purchases music: even gasp, music not from reality TV. Yes – it’s true!

  • Tess

    But I don’t think the discussion is about a pattern.  It is about the fact that some people are going to insinuate that all five are “lacking” because they do have outdoor plumbing, play an instrument, and are white.  As far as I can see that is discriminatory towards them and the people who voted for them.  It’s called profiling and nobody likes to have that done to them.  Its no secret that some people have insinuated that Phillip and Scotty and Lee before him haven’t been deserving of AI recognition just because they fall into that category of people.  If The Voice, next year, has another black balladeer audition will the minions immediately jump on his case because he is “just like” the previous winners and the demographics of The Voice have proven that only that demographic will win.

    Stereotyping is just plain idiotic…whether it be in society at large or within the confines of the AI stage.  And to say that old women, cougars, and tweens only vote for that type of individual is almost as bad as saying that all blacks voted for Obama.  I would be very happy never to see or hear the acronym WGWG ever again because I think it is a slap in the face to both the guys who have won the crown and the voters who voted for them.

  • Ringo

    And I said I believe the only way to judge who might have voted on whom on Idol is looking at the post-show audience.

    If you are saying that we cannot state who is voting, how they are voting and for what reasons they are voting, because that data is not made available, I agree.  So, as far as I can tell,  much of the cougar vote/tween vote/South vote declarations I am reading are pure speculation.  That, to my mind, is the second weakest part of the Idol experience — getting caught up with why the WG2 seems to win, regardless of the perceived merits of the singing.  (The weakest part is the judges — I refuse to watch their critiques as they have become meaningless to the point of inanity.)  What I do enjoy are the handful of wonderful and surprising perfomances each season.  Ultimately, however, those performances are less important to a contestant’s success on the show than the ability to exemplify or project an image of a middle of the road, good looking, humble white male with non-threatening attitude.  As a predictor for future sales and artistic success, however, I think success on AI is largely irrelevant.

  • Anonymous

    As for WGWG – the trend is unavoidable and undeniable. I have no problems with acknowledging it and finding it incredibly tedious.

    But the determination to state, almost as some sort of unarguable fact, that this trend proves that anyone labelled under that category is: a) identical musically or b) automatically untalented and worthless; or c) only voted for because of the insane, out of control hormones of insane out of control older ladies is equally, or infact, way more tedious. Sorry, I’m into my a, b, c’s tonight.

    That said, older ladies are as liable to react to attraction as younger ladies and males of all ages, when they respond to anything at all: a fact that probably accounts for all the disdain and derision aimed at the older female demographic, because once you’re past a certain age, you are not supposed to feel attaction.

    Personally, I reallly find overt, unsolicited, acts of lust from older folks, directed at younger folks all kinds of icky whether they are from older males or females. And I have read about some very icky moments indeed aimed at the idols since S7, when I started paying attention.

    But the fact that a tiny proportion of people lack a sense of reasonable behaviour is not enough for me to determine a whole (voting) audience’s response to an artist.

    Attraction alone is not enough to explain how voting goes, because every year that I’ve been watching, some very handsome men indeed have been voted off kind of early, whilst some of the winners are really not traditionally good looking at all.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “is almost as bad as saying that all blacks voted for Obama”

    Not all, but according to this exit poll 95% of African Americans polled voted for Obama in the last Presidential election.

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

    “WGWG” is not a demographic. Stereotyping is different from a demographic.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I’m part of the older demographic and I take no offense that Idol is striving to attract as much of the younger demographic as possible, mainly because they are trying to find a highly commercially successful, current recording artist and want the “Idol” to appeal to the most profitable demographic. It’s simply a marketing/financial decision.

    ETA: “Personally, I reallly find overt, unsolicited, acts of lust from older folks, directed at younger folks all kinds of icky whether they are from older males or females. And I have read about some very icky moments indeed aimed at the idols since S7, when I started paying attention.”

    It’s been happening since the beginning, but it’s more icky since the age limit was lowered.

    “But the fact that a tiny proportion of people lack a sense of reasonable behaviour is not enough for me to determine a whole (voting) audience’s response to an artist. ”

    The audience for Idol has changed and evolved over the years, becoming less diverse and narrowing in demographics. Since the median age for the Idol audience is now 48+ years of age, it’s not surprising that the kind of contestants that are popular aren’t ones who are best suited to achieve success in the current pop music industry.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I see it as a discussion of a pattern and of why the viewers vote for the same type of contestant over and over. The majority of comments on this board have not said that all five of the winners are “lacking” because they have a penis or are all white.

    The Voice has had one black guy with guitar and one black R&B guy winner. If you have three more winners from the same gender and race in the next three years, I would think that the people who follow these singing contests would point out a definite pattern.

  • Tess

    Oh thanks for correcting my misuse of words….sometimes I type much faster than my brain works.

    ETA: And considering how many Americans are fed up to the brim with “exit polls” and how many people who, probably like I did, love giving the pollsters erroneous information I have as much faith in political polls as I do people trying to prove the demographics (did I use it right this time?) of Idol voters.

  • Tess

    I am glad you only see it as a pattern…I, on the other hand, see it much more defensively….especially when people are talking about how Phillip will “fail” because he is the reincarnation of Lee.  The term WGWG is used derogatorily much more than it is as a descriptive term. 

  • Anonymous

    But that assumes alot about people over the age of 45? I know plenty of people over the age of 45 who buy a broad range of current music. I’m not saying that they’re into Kesha – or similar bs – but who buy a whole range of stuff from top 40/CHR, through many different genres. Myself included (though I am only just into my 40′s: something that I, ironically, find it interesting that I need to point out).

    Stereotyping is always irrititating, but following it in another line, I’d guess that the older demographic is more likely to buy albums, rather than downloading for free, so courting them is not such a foolish move. Unfortunately, the suits’ idea of what that demographic likes to listen to is hopelessly outdated. IMO, my age group grew up with and to a much more varied and changeable music scene than my parents did and are therefore much more open to continuing trends in music today. The music industry – and the media – just haven’t caught on to/kept up with changing trends in the older generations. Life no longer ends at 30 or 40. Middle age no longer means a slow, sad twin set and pearls descent into irrelevance and oblivion.

    ETA: Which artist do you think sounded most current, as presented on the show, because I reckon it was probably P2 and his Dave Matthews take-off; he had some pretty up-to-date alternative song choices in there as well at times. Jessica may well be a very current artist off AI, but she mostly sang very old fashioned ballads on the show: and was a boring old fashioned performer, as presented on the show, to boot?

    Cook, on his season of Idol, was competing when his form of pop rock was still pretty popular on the charts: that certainly helped his first album numbers and the mid-level success of Light On. But he only just released at the tail end of that type of music’s popularity. By the time his second album came out, things had definitively moved on, which is largely why he’s left without a format at the moment and will either have to change tack or wait for fashions to alter (if they do) and release smaller scale in the meantime.

    Kris, IMO, has a very current sound on his latest album, as does Adam. Neither of them are selling hugely, as yet, in the real world.

    I think the problem is less with the demographic voting on AI not responding to current trends as with, firstly, the fact that voters on AI just aren’t buyers any more, or, even if they are, are very fickle and are loyal to the show, not the artist for the most part; and secondly, the listeners out there in the real world are just very cynical about Idols (Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry apart) and don’t really give them much of a chance.

    It’s a tough combination to break away from, but I can’t see that the Idol demographic being anti-current music has anything to do with it, when Cook, Kris and Adam have all released music fairly true to their Idol run, which has also been pretty current at the time of competing. None of them were belting out old fashioned ballads week after week: all three of them stood out because they interpreted songs according to their own musical styles. As did P2.

    If anything, it could be claimed that the Idol audience responds to originality, something a bit different to what everyone else is doing and something that seems to be genuine and passionate. They also respond to personality, this being a TV show, which is why Elise (who I really liked) may have struggled more. I do think that in the upper reaches of the show, when you have a couple of artistic types competing together, the audience favours male over female, but then so does the whole production and the judges’ brief?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I believe we were told the average age viewer’s age was now 47?”

    This article states that the median age for Idol viewers this past season was 48 years old.

    “The Voice” has pulled even with “Idol” in ratings among young adults
    and has a median age of 43, according to Nielsen. While not exactly
    brimming with youth, that figure nevertheless beats “Idol,” which has a
    median viewer age of 48 — 14 years higher than it was when the show
    premiered back in summer 2002.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/14/entertainment/la-et-0414-idol-voice-20120414

    ETA: I think that this info is from last year, so in fact, the median age for the current season was probably older, at least 49+ years old.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I’m not saying that they’re into Kesha – or similar bs”

    But the huge money making artists in the pop music industry are supported mainly by younger fans who constitute the majority of regular listeners of top 40 radio, whereas although there are always exceptions, fewer (a lower proportion of) older fans are regular listeners of top 40 radio. Marketing is actually profiling, based on the majority of any particular group or demographic, and that is what influences record executives and advertisers.

    ETA: Just read your edit. I’ve always maintained that Idol is a strange kind of situation. Contestants sing songs, mainly not current songs, from decades ago which appeal to the nostalgia of the audience, and have little opportunity to give the viewers an idea of the kind of music that they will produce after the show has ended. So, liking a contestant on the show is based on them singing older, familiar songs but the situation is very anachronistic. It’s no wonder that the post-Idol music of so many Idols creates a disconnect between what they were loved for on the show vs. what they are marketing afterwards in an attempt to achieve success with current songs. I think that disconnect is the main reason for the fall in CD sales between the debut and sophomore albums of Idols, except for a handful of Idols who managed to make a successful transition between their Idol audience and the larger non-Idol watching public.

  • Anonymous

    Can I just state how much I despise the term cougar? Not every woman over the age of 30 who is a fan of younger male musician is lusting after him or acting in an age inappropriate way. Yes, there are some who are like that, but the majority simply like the musician and enjoy his music. Even if they find him attractive, that doesn’t mean they are going to be hitting on him any chance they get. What is the matter with being a fan of any musician, without restrictions? Where does it say that once you hit a certain age you should only listen to  boring elevator type music? Or that once you are a certain age you shouldn’t be allowed to go to rock concerts?

    I’m over 30 and I listen to pretty much the same style music I did when I was 15. Pop, alt rock, r&b, soul and rap. I have a feeling that I will be listening to these same styles of music when I am 50+, 60+, 70+, etc. I have no interest in the Josh Grobans or Susan Boyles of the world (if you do, though, that’s cool), and I doubt I’d be interested in that type of music as I get older, since it bores the crap out of me. As I have gotten older I have tried to tone down the screaming and jumping around when I attend live concerts, but as long as I don’t do or say anything inappropriate why can’t I be a fan of some musician, no matter his age or my age? Musicians need fans of different age groups if they want longevity. Bruce Springsteen is a good example of a musician who has fans who are his age (60+) as well as fans who are young enough to be his grandchildren. In my opinion, if a 12 year old is into, say, Andy Williams or Susan Boyle or an 80-year old is into someone like, say, Green Day or Jay-Z — good for them. People should be allowed to be fans of and follow whoever they want to without being made fun of or criticized just because they may not be in the same age demographic as the artist.

    Just my opinion. Sorry for the long rant. YMMV and all that, as always.

  • Anonymous

    ” His aw-shucks demeanor spills over to his performances, in which his
    chin jerks violently to the right every time he aims for a big note, as
    if his mouth were struggling to deliver what his brain is asking for.”

    This is Jon C’s description of Kris Allen (per Tess’s url for the article)…. Funny how much it reminds me of Phillip, too. …. What is it with Idol winners and the sideways mouth and aw-shucks demeanor?

    (kinda funny that these are bad qualities in Kris but — I guess, since he really really likes Phillip — good qualities in him, lol) …

    My only real beef with his article this year is where he declares that JLo is a big source of credibility for AI. Yeesh. She’s better than Steven for that, but then who wouldn’t be.

  • Tess

    Actually I don’t see the “monkey face” in Phillip (or I haven’t) but I’ll certainly watch for it now.

  • Anonymous

    Mmmm – yeah, but my contention is that the winners and some high placed runners up have actually been twisting things to a more current style in recent years, even when singing older songs. And that, in their own choices, have been more current, even if they have been more alternative, as fits in with their music styles.

    Cook sang in a pop rock style – the charts at the time were only just changing from this style into what it has been since: he just hitched on to the tail end of that wave on DCTR.

    Kris turned songs into his style of light, breezy alt. pop – and that sound is actually pretty current now. His new album has echoes of The Script and Bruno Mars to my ears.

    P2 has covered some pretty current alternative artists and has always twisted songs around to his Dave Matthewsesque sound.

    In other words, the winners have consistently been the most ‘current’ sounding in their season. They have mainly stood out because they sound different to everybody else.

    As for what sells today – there is too much rubbish high on the charts, yes (see Kesha, J-Lo etc) but there always has been. As I don’t like stereotyping of the young either, I feel the need to point out that I didn’t buy the equivalent of this tripe, when I was a teenager/young adult either, so the fact that I reject it today is simply a continuance of my musical preferences from when I was younger. But there are good CHR artists out there too: love Bruno Mars and Lady Gaga…

    I think the Idol audience just wants to hear something different, something that really expresses the music and interprets it in an individual way. Do I think this is outdated or outmoded? No. Not in a time when Adele sells squillions of albums and Mumford and Sons goes platinum.

    Maybe the problem is that the Idol audience is actually more up-to-date than the producers realise – demographics meaning nothing – and votes for the only artists who speak to what they feel today or who can find a way to express themselves through the morass of old fashioned themes trying to bury them under the expectations of what an ‘older audience’ wants to hear.

    The old fashioned ballad singers haven’t won for the past 5 years, despite all the moaning and groaning to the contrary, after all.

  • Anonymous

     ”Actually I don’t see the “monkey face” in Phillip (or I haven’t) but I’ll certainly watch for it now.”

    Phillip’s is a slightly different monkey face. He kind of moves his mouth diagonally. Kris moves his whole chin. lol

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    I’m not saying they’re all lacking.  In fact I personally think 2 out of the 5 deserved their win (David Cook and Scotty).  But the fact is, whether they are deserving or not, the core audience of Idol (whatever that is exactly) will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS go for the same type.

    That’s not “profiling”, that a FACT – established by 5 years of results.  In fact this constant use of the word profiling is starting to offend me.  Unless you’re a minority it really doesn’t apply to you.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I knew the P2 was going to win pretty much from the start. Just knew it, based on the past few years.

    There are a lot of different kinds of profiling. Racial profiling is only one type.

  • Anonymous

    If older women of Idol persuasion had broader tastes, one of non WGWGs
    would have eventually won. A 5th one in a row means that while some of
    them might vote for an “edgy” one, the middle call ladies have a clear
    type and that’s a guitar strumming boy.

    They do have broader tastes, or certain contestants would not have even made it out of the Top 24, let alone all the way to 2nd place! There isn’t a monolithic block of voters on Idol voting for all the same thing. It’s more complicated than that..and it’s not just the older demo, but all sorts of people who are Idol fans voting for all sorts of contestants

    The stereotyping goes both ways. “All cougars vote for the WGWG” is a sweeping generalization that I just had to address.

  • Anonymous

    That was actually MJ’s argument, not mine. From her post I gathered that
    they’re the ones that matter the most since she decided to ignore the
    tweenies Taylor was talking about.

      You are totally putting words in my mouth. They are not the only voting block, but a large one. I responded to a post that specifically made what I felt were sweeping generalizations about a specific Idol demographic.

  • Anonymous

    Well I’m older than dirt, but I ain’t dead yet.  I was raised on Motown, Hendricks, Moody Blues, Eric Clapton, Yes, Jethro Tull, Led Zeplin, The Beatles, The Monkees, The Beach Boys, right into all the disco music, with a little country thrown in for good measure.  Anyone my age has very diverse tastes in music and to pigeon-hole an entire age group is ignorant.

  • Eriko

    But what about all the LONG threads here about one of the wgwg (and Adam a white male) that go on and on and on about their looks and clothing…sometimes easily over 100 comments or much more? At the same time, there might be a thread with some great music from a female that hardly gets any comments. This is something that amazed me when I first started reading this blog and later on, helped explain the huge advantage white males have over female contestants. 

  • Valentin432

    That has always existed.
    The big visible internet fanbases are almost always for the guys.
    Clay was huge, among the first four seasons he was by far the contestant with the most posts on forums, blogs, etc.
    In comparison Carrie for instance was mostly despised or ignored at the time on her season.
    The trend continued over the years with Taylor, Archie, Adam, etc.

    The difference is that despite the less “intense” internet fanbase, some girls did finish first which brings in question wheter the illimited text votes and general trend in favor of power voters has been a hindrance for the girls.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    The difference is that despite the less “intense” internet fanbase, some girls did finish first which brings in question wheter the illimited text votes and general trend in favor of power voters has been a hindrance for the girls.

    And y’know, as I think about it… when a power-texter can match in one minute the number of votes that would take me an hour by phone, I honestly don’t care all that deeply whether the texter’s motivation is squee or whether she’s the biggest music-head hipster in her arts-oriented high school. 

    I care whether it’s worth my time to take the trouble to vote at all. I’d love to see a vote limit set at about 50 votes. That’s more than I’d bother with in most weeks — and that’s fine, let the most devoted have some edge — but it’s not beyond what a regular person hitting redial can accomplish in 15-20 minutes.

  • Tess

    I think people sometimes think that interest on a blog equates with interest for a singer.  If I’m not mistaken Kelly and Carrie “still” outsell most of the male Idols.  And as for the “real” world Adele, GaGa, Katy, Taylor Swift, even the Disney girls sell better than a lot of the guys.

  • Valentin432

     Unfortunately, TPTB seem way too attached to those vote total and their fone sponsor won’t be too keen on a rule to diminish the number of votes.

    If there’s any change to be hoped for, I think they would make people pay per vote, Nigel tweeted about it the other day,

  • Tess

    I’m not trying to be trite….but if people were really “interested” in swaying an AI vote they could go out and buy an AT&T phone with text messaging and send in their own 5000 votes per night.  And, ya know, you can call from any phone, online vote from any computer, but you have to have AT&T to text.  And since AT&T is probably one of the more expensive programs I really wonder how many people would give up their cheaper providers just to vote for an Idolette?

    ETA: Here are the National statistics for the four major cell phone companies: AT&T 25%, T-Mobile 18%, Sprint 17%, Verizon 22%, Others 18%. So 25% of the Idol audience potentially has AT&T. That to me says there are lots and lots of holes in the TEXT votes win American Idol theory when only 1 in 4 tweenies can vote using TEXT.

  • shell29

    What makes a winner more “deserving”?  Is it because they sell more albums than the runner up?  When their album is certified platinum?  When they’re the “favorite” among the media and Idol bloggers as opposed to the runner up of their season?  I wasn’t thrilled about the winner in two of the last five seasons (season 9 and 11 to be specific) but all of the WGWGs won fair and square.  It’s hard for me to say that one winner is less deserving than another. 

    Regarding P2-I don’t see him as being any more of a “rocker” than Kris or Lee IMO.  To me, he’s Lee 2.0.  In terms of singing ability I still think he’s the worst of the five WGWGs (although I’m now more inclined to give him a slight pass due to his illness-maybe he’ll sound a lot better once that gets taken care of).  In spite of how he’s been charting on itunes, I’m still not convinced that he’s going to be this huge seller with his post-Idol debut album (and I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that he’ll outsell Lee let alone Kris, Scotty or Cook).   Even though I probably won’t be buying what he’s selling, I’m hoping that Interscope will handle things differently and more positively for Phillip than RCA did for Lee. I might not be a fan of all of the Idol winners but I do want them all to be successful.

  • Anonymous

    Regarding P2-I don’t see him as being any more of a “rocker” than Kris or Lee IMO.

    I don’t think that everyone in the group of Lee, Cook, Phillip and Lee would describe their sounds as rock, or at least they would be more specific than that.  I know that they wouldn’t say that all of them have the same sound or that they are all in the same genre.  They’ve been labeled the same, but mainly because they all won a singing contest, and they have the ability to play instruments.  

  • Anonymous

    I agree the whole “deserving” thing is totally subjective and utter crap as a basis of “judging” winners. They all had great moments on the show, made it through the entire months upon months long journey and at the end of the day earned the most votes. There have been a lot of “cute guy” musicians that haven’t won. Casey James, Tim Urban, Colton, Durbin, Michael Johns, ect. The thing about the winners is they were likable and delivered performances good enough to win. They deserve the title.

    Phillip is off to a great start with Home but airplay is going to need to kick in soon to sustain it. If the airplay doesn’t show up then I’m calling it another data point of evidence that Idols will not get played on mainstream radio. This is regardless of label support or the strength of material. Yes both of those help but it is not the most important aspect in getting significant airplay anymore.

    I’m all for changing the voting system to based on iTunes sales. It should eliminate the Mythical “texting teens” problem and I believe that the most commercially appealing contestant should win. I’d bet that the same winners would have occurred doing it this way anyhow. But going forward Idol needs to life the veil of secrecy over the iTunes rankings and performance and strongly consider basing votes off of it or even using it as part of the vote. The Voice does both of these things, it is not a hard concept to grasp for Idol.

  • Anonymous

    Cook, Lee, Kris and Phillip are all pop rock of different variety, leaning towards more or less  pop or rock or alt or folk, and although they are different, their style is closer to each other’s than to Fantasia’s or Scotty’s (even if sometimes bundled with them) or Adam’s dance songs.

  • Tess

    As soon as you make purchasing something a voting measurement you alienate half your audience…paying for something you got for free for years and years just ain’t going to fly and then the vote turns into an elitism thing and you have way more conspiracy theories then you do with texting. 

  • Anonymous

    How many people are posting those comments about looks, when it comes down to it?

    Are all of the posts on those threads only about looks?

    The threads that get hundreds of posts, especially just after an Idol season, are as likely to be filled with anti-posts and pro-posts: it’s the arguing against/defending that makes them super long, not just a handful of posters talking about looks.

    And anyway, I’m not convinced that what you read on the net, from the super invested, relates very much to broader fanbases or voters on AI. I’ve never voted in any of these shows: obviously not on AI, because I’m not American, but not in the UK either and the fact that I’d have to pay is only part of the reason for that.

    If I did vote, then my picks would have been extremely varied and totally dependant on my reaction to what the acts did on the show. Certainly, I can see that some men are more attractive than others. P2 for example is a very attractive man; Michael Johns was a very attractive man. But I didn’t really respond musically to either of them, even if I appreciated what I saw.

    And I reckon that the vast majority of people are the same.

    I’m not denying that there is a physical reaction that some people have to some contestants or that there haven’t been threads and threads devoted to it. And, yes, I’ve seen some pretty questionable threads about exactly this issue elsewhere.

    I just don’t think that the broadest swathes of voters vote for that reason.

    Also, I’d suspect that males are as likely to fancy Carrie Underwood, for example as females are to fancy x, y or z. They just don’t feel the need to spread that across the internet.

  • Anonymous

    I think changing the voting system would be a great idea – and good for Idol in the long run (if it lasts in the long run).

    But I actually don’t think it would make that much difference to the results.

  • Anonymous

    All genres are not represented by the contestants, because all genres don’t sell equally – no matter what the Viewers/Voters may prefer.  

    1) Modern R&B and pop get more regular radio play on mainstream formats than modern rock does.
    2) I don’t see any reason why fans of old-school R&B are less likely to embrace modern R&B, or fans of disco to embrace modern dance-pop, than fans of classic rock are likely to embrace modern rock (which seems to be an implicit assumption here).  I would think that older fans in all genres should be equally equipped to see the connections between older material and present-day material and to vote accordingly.

    So again, I don’t see a reason why it should be assumed that 40+ viewers would invariably support rock-leaning contestants over talented contestants in other genres.  Which is again why I say that the show made some very poor decisions about casting, song clearance, and voting processes that are marginalizing a lot of people who want something different, and the general aging of TV audiences and of Idol in general is not a sufficient explanation for that marginalization.

    I’m a rock fan, among many other genres, but I also want something different.  It doesn’t help the show to be predictable.  It doesn’t help the alumni to keep sending new artists at the same formats and hoping that the saturation point is still another year or two off.  Because I think it’s already here, even when it’s been a few years between truly strong genre finalists (McCreery and Pickler).

    I don’t think that the show producers and the labels are working nearly closely enough together to direct the kind of outcomes you are suggesting.  I think they’re not thinking far enough ahead at all.

  • Anonymous

    Is it because they sell more albums than the runner up?

    When you have supportive, rational people like Debra Byrd stating publicly that “Chris Daughtry really won S5″ because he vastly outsold everyone else, I think the conclusion has to be drawn that outselling other finalists in one’s season legitimizes the win, and not doing so delegitimizes it.  I may like any given winner better than a runner-up, but the press surrounding post-win sales is pretty relentless if the winner can’t at least sell “the most.”

    That said, making iTunes sales a condition for advancement is problematic.  People who don’t want to text can still vote by phone for no additional cost.  People who don’t have high-speed internet or an iPhone and want to get downloads are SOL if they don’t want to pay the additional costs.

  • http://twitter.com/ZarkeMulgore Zarke

    Despite his coronation song “Home” making it to No.1 on I-Tunes the day
    after his win, Phillips said that the song was not really something he
    would write, describing it as “not the best song for me.”

    “It’s
    a little too pop for me… but it’s a very good song and I’m glad
    people like it. I feel like I’m a little more rock than that, so
    hopefully people like what I have to put out, some jazz rock stuff,”
    said Phillips, who counts Eric Clapton and Eminem as some of his
    influences.

    Oh why oh why did you go against your true self and
    listened to others? Jessica could have won. LOL! I guess he really
    wanted to win. So, he played the game! Good call! (Note: this is what
    was nagging me. This song was not P2 at all. So. they did choose it for
    him. Oh, well)