American Idol Creating a “Winners Showcase” in Las Vegas?

American Idol creating a “winners showcase” in Las Vegas?  What ever could that be?  Right now, it’s still at the rumor stage, so you never know.  From the Las Vegas Sun:

It’s a Wicked Whisper & Racy Rumor, but my sources are nearly 100 percent accurate. I’m hearing rumblings that “American Idol” will create a “winners showcase” for a possible permanent but ever-changing residency show to kick off the opening of The Quad at The Linq, when both become The Q.

While here, “Idol” execs had discussions with Quad entertainment officials, reviewed its makeover and took a tour of the under-construction The Linq opening this year with its 550-feet High Roller observation wheel. In another WWRR, there’s buzz that The Light Group has put in a bid to run the now-shuttered B.B. King’s Jazz Club at The Mirage.

American Idol has taken up residency more or less, at the Cirque du Soliel theater at the Mirage hotel in Vegas these past 3 week. It’s wear the season 12 semi-final rounds are taking place.

American Idol 5 winner, Taylor Hicks, is currently performing a current residency at the Paris in Las Vegas. Maybe that’s where TPTB got the idea….

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Depending on what the heck this is, it could be cool. (I’m basing the coolness factor on my imagination for the moment. ;-)

  • julesb2183

    It seems like they are going to invite past Idol alumni to Vegas, them rotate who is performing. Cool idea.

  • Kirsten

    I’ve been saying they should do this for YEARS.

    Vegas seems like the perfect place for something like this. People come from all-over the US ready to throw their money away. They pay hundreds to watch performances by cheeseballs like Wayne Newton and Celine Dionne. Anything familiar and they are there like a $8 buffet.

    There are tonnes of Idols who would like to make a little coin and know how to put on a good show.  Rotate them in and out to keep the show fresh and Bob’s your uncle. If Disneyworld can get people to show up to watch three amatures sing (sure it is free, but you are wasting precious hours in the park which is not free), I’m sure Vegas can make some coin. Given that Idol actually gave some air time to Taylor (of all people) when he started his Vegas run, I wouldn’t be surprised if they saw it as a trial balloon.

    People pay a lot of money to go to Idol concerts in the summer. Vegas can consolidate their favourites and give them something cheesy to do in one of few places in America where cheese is celebrated.

    Get entertaining Idols and this is golden (and Ace will have something to do – hey, isn’t that new show of his filming in Vegas?)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CHZSJKJQRO5OEV7XUDSORCRJAI anonoymous

    One of the best ideas Idol has come up with in years. This has a lot of potential and I think it could be a great way to showcase previous contestants.

  • Eileen99

    This is a great, great idea.  Surprised it took them to many years to come up with a viable way to support past Idols.  They could do genre-specific shows or come up with any number of ways to incorporate a few alumni into each show.  I love the idea. 

    Rotating Idols in & out would make each run of shows fresh & new. I’m sure they would get many repeat patrons.

  • girlygirltoo

    This is a cool idea. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was inspired by Taylor’s successful residency. Rotating the winners in and out would keep this fresh, as well as allow the winners to still tour, record, etc etc outside of doing this residency.

  • Kirsten

    I think we should totally cast this. Obviously, Kelly and Carrie aren’t coming. Taylor is a must have (I’m going to assume that he is working for the chain that is going to do this).

    Season 1: Justin – You have to have somebody from that season and he can double as the host

    Season 2: Clay – Clay is totally made for Vegas. Throw in Ruben so they can do their best bud act. Go for top three with Kim because her voice would work well in Vegas.

    Season 3: Fantasia would be FANTASTIC in Vegas, but her career is probably to busy (she could use the money, though). Diana is going to be in town and she is much improved. Plus, the soap watchers will know her.

    Season 4: Constantine is probably already buying a house in Vegas. But he’s not doing badly on Broadway so maybe he is too busy. He can rotate in. I think Nadia would put on quite the show. If Bo isnt’ allergic to all things Idol, he could represent Rock.

    Season 5: Elliott is a well-regarded singer with a hit song that isn’t up to much, so he could be there. Ace will want to be there and he does play well to the audience. Heck, if DWTS doesn’t boost Kellie’s career, she would be awesome in Vegas. Kat will soon be looking for work and she would fit into the schedule well.

    Season 6: Blake is so there. Chris Richardson will probably join him. Sanjaya might be there for the giggles. Melinda and Lakisha would be AMAZING.

    Season 7: I suspect they may be able to get Archie. In any event, Carly is already in town and she really puts on a show.

    Season 8: I think Danny is currently calling his agent. Allison would be so good, but she may not want to give up on her mainstream career yet. Matt definitely put on a show. The producers are already dodging calls from Scott.

    Season 9: Anybody they want. Lee and Crystal aren’t really Vegas material. Casey is busy, so Big Mike? Tim Urban. Siobahn.

    Season 10: Casey Abrams, come on down.

    Season 11: Joshua Ledet was made for Vegas. That man has to be seen live.

  • Eileen99

    Vegas needs some Lusky stank.

  • Incipit

    ..a “winners showcase” for a possible permanent but ever-changing residency show 

    IMO, a “Winner’s Showcase” may be a little too ambitious and also self-limiting – there are only 11 winners, and Taylor Hicks already has a showcase, so ten remain, and of those ten how many would be interested, or even free to participate if they were interested? So how long could this logically run? Also. This smells a lot like 2003’s “From Justin to Kelly”, except Idol can’t compel participation anymore. It also smells like “Look! A former Idol winner is making money from a concept that doesn’t involve us! – How can we get some?” Which makes me *chuckle*, if it were true.

    Now, the concept of an ‘Idol’s Showcase’ in Vegas gives a lot more leeway, in terms of numbers, or people who may be interested, and are not otherwise occupied. There are 100 of those minus winners (I think – not a Numbernerd) – –  somebody ‘could’ be available to play this showcase…with a style and a catalog that may appeal to a Vegas audience (as if AI would recognize that) …and people who are willing to give AI artistic control of their show, and be seen as still under the AI Umbrella – 

    But I have to say – I don’t think it’s a great idea for the alumni/alumnae – given Idol’s track record. Now if a hotel and their creative staff was working one on one with the headliner as it happened for Taylor’s two gigs – then it could be interesting….But for Idol to create this show? I don’t think so. They don’t have the people behind the scenes with those tools, or the Vegas experience. They could hire them – but TPTB like to second guess when it’s about their image – and that is what they would be selling here – – so why would this be different? 

    Not logical from a performer’s POV.

    JMO. Of Course.

  • curly_yenta

    Personally, I hope Taylor has nothing to do with Idol’s hope of conquering Vegas.  He has managed to build a hugely successful residency – coming up on a year now – with both Bally’s and Paris (both Caesar’s Entertainment properties – as is the “Q”, btw which he has an exclusive contract with).  He splits NO profits with Idol, 19 or anything or anyone else associated with Idol and is doing just fine – more than fine, actually. His show has been selling out on a regular basis – based on reports from his publicist and concert goers. 

    For him to participate in this would be a step backwards since he’s already proven he can support a headlining show on his own – not with the help of the American Idol name.  It’s a shame during these last 3 weeks in Vegas, Idol couldn’t find a few minutes to advertise his show (not that he needs it) and give a boost to their own brand and winner. 

    Just as an aside, NIgel Lythgoe’s son came to Taylor show a few weeks ago …

    http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l9/mouser_03/Vegas_Ballys%202013/napoleonwithsimonlythgoeandfredbronson.jpg

  • Quaribea

     Archie’s booked up for the next year and a half.  Possibly Syesha and Brooke.  I think Cook would turn up his nose, sadly.

  • Larc

    It’s such a great idea that I’m surprised TPTB at Idol didn’t think of it much sooner.  They could draw from Idol finalists with the talent, time, and inclination to perform there.  Some would shine as brightly as lights on the strip.  But not everybody would be a good fit for the Vegas kind of venue, even a few of the winners.

  • MellyPer1692

    Vegas is so different these days from the cornball. Those acts still exist, but If you haven’t been to Vegas in a while, you might have missed that. Boyz II Men are doing weekends at the Mirage, Ceelo Green is currently doing a show at Planet Hollywood four nights a week, Rod Stewart is at Caesars for July and August, Santana is at Mandalay Bay for most of May etc etc.

  • curly_yenta

    Yes, that is so true… and some of the newest residencies are Tim McGraw/Faith Hill and Shania Twain.  Britney Spears is on her way – probably with one of the most lucrative contracts in Vegas history.  It’s where entertainers come to entertain.

    And I wouldn’t be so sure Carrie and Kelly Clarkson wouldn’t come. A gig’s a gig and Vegas is the place to be now. Anyone coming off of Idol would surely give their right nut for a long gig here, especially those who are finding it difficult to get steady work.

  • Kirsten

     

    Possibly Syesha and Brooke.

    Those two would be awesome. Syesha’s “One Rock and Roll Too Many” is made for Vegas (and I’m not afraid to admit, I LOVED it). Brooke is a good entertainer and would bring another vibe to the show than names I’ve mentioned.

  • Kitwana

    Stupid idea. The comparison to the Idol Tour is flawed. Those tours were generally popular because the contestands we’re coming off performing weekly on the #1 show in America. Even then, not all the contestants were equally popular on the Idol Tour. Those former contestants who would be interested in participating in the Vegas would likely not be able to draw the audience. Those who would be able to draw an audience would unlikely be willing to participate without significant compensation or with their label ok. If Archie can make $1 million from a month or so of recording and projects in Asia, why would he agree to spend four weeks in Vegas unless they paid him a comparable sum? Wouldn’t doing a ton of shows in Vegas cut down interest in his solo headlining tours? Yes, those tours only had crowds in the 1000-1500 range but add in merchandise and $200 VIP tix and they become lucrative. Why compromise that revenue stream by joining a Vegas revue?

  • Kirsten

     

    Vegas is so different these days from the cornball. Those acts still
    exist, but If you haven’t been to Vegas in a while, you might have
    missed that.

    I’ve never been to Vegas.

    Boyz II Men are doing weekends at the Mirage, Ceelo Green is currently
    doing a show at Planet Hollywood four nights a week, Rod Stewart is at
    Caesars for July and August, Santana is at Mandalay Bay for most of May
    etc etc.

    See, I see three nostalgia acts and a guy who sings with Muppets. I think Idol fits right in.

  • Kirsten

     

    If Archie can make $1 million from a month or so of recording and
    projects in Asia, why would he agree to spend four weeks in Vegas unless
    they paid him a comparable sum?

    Okay, Archie is out, but I think we can rustle up a fair number of former Idols who are not making $1M per month.

    Just round up a representative sample of popular contestants and people will show up to see the acts the used to love. A good cheesy night of fun. And  a lot of Idols know how to entertain (especially after doing the Idol tour).

  • Kitwana

    But which contestants would draw a crowd? I would think that if they have that ability, they would do their own touring. The sad reality is that after the Idol tour, 80% of Idol contestants are forgotten. Putting them in Vegas will not suddenly make the public interested in them. There are many entertainment options in Vegas. Is there really lots of demand for a Justin, Diana, Blake show? Fantasia may do her own show but why would she have any interest in tying it to American Idol? Didn’t someone do something similar in Branson? How did that do?

  • girlygirltoo

    I don’t see this as being some sort of cheesy thing. To me, it seems like it would simply be Idols coming in to do their usual type of concert — only they would be doing a short residency, rather than one show.

    If it is some sort of OTT cheesy production, then I could see most of the ex-Idols turning it down. But if it is just an extension of the type of shows they already so, they why not do it? Most of the Idols already play shows in Vegas, anyway…

  • girlygirltoo

    since when can Archie make $1 million from one month’s worth of projects? He doesn’t make any near that much. According to Forbes, he supposedly made $1 million over the course of 12 months — NOT 1 month.

    Most of Archie’s current success has been overseas. If he wants to build a brand in the US, I don’t see why he wouldn’t be open to doing something like this.

    ETA – But since it says “winner’s residency” would anyone who didn’t win Idol even be invited to do this? I’m not sure why non-winners’ names are being brought up here.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Maybe that’s a misnomer. I don’t know. It seems unnecessarily limiting to restrict it to winners, some of whom might not want to do it or are not really right for it. 

  • girlygirltoo

    Archie doesn’t make anywhere near $1 million in 1 month. According to Forbes, he made just over $1 million in TWELVE MONTH period…not in 1 month.

    Oh, and Taylor has made $1+ million over a year a few times since coming off Idol — hasn’t kept him from doing a Vegas residency.

    Also, this would be a rotating residency. Each Idol would likely only be there for a week or two. How does that compromise their ability to go out on tour or make records or act in tv shows or whatever?

  • Goodvibes27

    I think the article assumed it could be winners when it could actually be anyone off the show idol wanted to promote. I know Haley Reinhart did a few nights at the Cosmopolitan so I am thinking some alum in that vein, which would be popular Idol contestants and some of the winners who aren’t arena selling superstars. Make no mistake, the pay scale and the working conditions are something that any touring artist would take in a heartbeat.

     The Quad is the old Imperial Palace, so there wouldn’t be a huge room that would support Kelly or Carrie. This is also a Caesar’s property, the same company which Taylor is under contract, but I’m not sure if he would fit into the idol scheme since if you notice, he is not even included in the opening credits with the other winners. I hope Taylor stays with his own thing as it is going over very well and he built it completely on his own.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Since 19 will have a big stake in the show, anyone singed to perform would have the full backing of the 19 machine which would included appearances and promotion. 19 would be putting a lot of resource behind making it successful and make money.

  • Kirsten

     

    But which contestants would draw a crowd? I would think that if they
    have that ability, they would do their own touring. The sad reality is
    that after the Idol tour, 80% of Idol contestants are forgotten. Putting
    them in Vegas will not suddenly make the public interested in them.

    How many units does Boyz II Men sell these days? Shania Twains last single on Country radio bombed. Donnie and Marie have cheese running through their veins and haven’t had a hit song in decades.

    Yet people pony up money to see them in Vegas. They also pay $50 to see no names impersonate Sinatra, the Bee Gees and the Temptations. They pay $150 to see Terry Fator from America’s Got Talent and his singing puppets.

    Surely people from AI singing Sinatra, Bee Gees, the Temptations, etc can draw a crowd in Vegas. People seem to show in Vegas wanting to see a show and more than happy to go to something they remember from back when. They will see the Idol name, remember one or two artists (what ever happened to them?) and show up. Idols put on a good show so it will get good word of mouth.

    I tell you people who have been on television singing covers of popular songs is tailor made for Vegas. Your in Vegas. Why not?

  • Incipit

    Most of the Idols already play shows in Vegas, anyway… 

    Yes, Some do – shows where they pick the set list and have actual control – also where Idol only has whatever residual rights remain from the Idol contract to collect from the profits – as opposed to them taking a chunk of change for mounting the show before the Idol even gets paid. Also, Idol wouldn’t even have to pretend the artist is making all the calls, as they do on the show now – TPTB mount the show – they oversee the set-list.

    But whoever already plays shows in Vegas already can get a better financial deal – and more creative control. Why hand that over to Idol? 

    If they can’t get a Vegas Gig – then they would have to decide if it was worth it…but if they can’t get a Vegas Gig – what does that say about a prospective audience?

    I can see TPTB profiting from this – nobody else, though. And I hope the rumor makes Taylor *snerk*…Heh.

    JMO. Of Course.

  • jdanton2

    ” Season 6: Blake is so there. Chris Richardson will probably join him.
    Sanjaya might be there for the giggles. Melinda and Lakisha would be
    AMAZING.”

    They said winners and i think Jordin would do great there if she performed.

  • curly_yenta

    Unfortunately, Vegas doesn’t work that way.  There’s a lot of shows to choose from that are competing for the same dollar.  There’s no guarantees of success. Shows are opening and closing all the time.  If all it took was heavy promotion from “19”, they would have done this a looong time ago and ridden of into the sunset with a major win.  But so far, it hasn’t happened.

  • Kitwana

    Girlygirl The $1 million figure for Archie that Forbes cited was largely based on his work in Asia the month or so before he left on his mission ( miniseries, endorsements, concerts, Begin CD, Forevermore CD) But you’re right, there was also his 13 show Christmas tour in December 2011 that Forbes included. So 2 months for $1 million.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “The producers are already dodging calls from Scott.”

    ^ made me literally lol.

  • elliegrll

    But whoever already plays shows in Vegas already can get a better financial deal – and more creative control. Why hand that over to Idol?

    Great point, except that there are some idols who could really use something like this to help them restart their careers.  The downside is that they run the risk of just cementing the idea that they are former reality show contestants.

    The other downside is that anyone who could draw well, for example, Carrie and Kelly, wouldn’t be interested in participating in something like this, while most of the people who would do it, like the ones who participated in the concerts in Branson, probably couldn’t draw flies.  

  • tigervixxxen

    I agree with comments that say Vegas is not the cheeseball kitschy destination for retirees and families anymore. I liken it more to adult Disneyland where opulence, glitz, indulgence rule. It is a 24/7 remote party haven for the west coast, LA in particular. Luxury resort hotels, celebrity chefs have high end restaurants everywhere, the most lavish and opulent dance clubs and lounges, celebrity hangout pools and top notch entertainment. Yes there still are some nostalgia and heritage acts and I agree people going to Vegas expect to spend a decent chunk of money but more modern entertainment is coming in every year.

    All that said an Idol show would be more on the end of nostalgia and family entertainment. I would think a “winner’s showcase” would have to have one winner as the headliner at least but then could fill the rest of the bill with other Idol fan favorites. Something similar on a small scale has already happened in Branson with the rotating 4 Idol groups over last summer. I think it was a good concept but done on a bigger scale in Vegas with the massive advertising and built in desire for

  • suenigma

    It all depends how they do it, but this could be a STELLAR idea, for all concerned. TBH what you are proposing Kirsten just seems like an extension of the Branson, MO cheesefest that they’ve been doing for years. A major hotel show in Vegas is a whole other kettle of fish. Why wouldn’t Kelly or Carrie be interested in doing a 2 or 3 month stint in Vegas, for the right price? Vegas is not your Grandma’s Reno. My younger 20 to 35 year old friends fly there from Vancouver 3 or 4 times a year. I go at least 1 or 2 times. Celine was a top touring act when she set up residency in Vegas, but she was able to make way more money and have a more stable life in Vegas. Guaranteed sold out shows every night, $200 tickets, her own 5000 sq ft penthouse, no long bus/plane rides, no bank-breaking touring and equipment set-up/breakdown expenses, or risky non-sellouts in Timbuktu. I think if they are smart they will make sure that each show is built around either one of the winners, or at the very least a Daughtry, a Jennifer Hudson, an Archie, or an Adam Lambert. I can see Kelly or Carrie or Kris or Cook or Fantasia or Jordan, or any of them, at this stage of their lives (30+, newly married, thinking about children, etc.) liking the idea of a huge paycheck, a luxury suite, a warm climate, and no traveling for 2 or 3 months.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I thought the Idols that are entertainers are the ones that would succeed in Las Vegas – like Taylor has.  That is a very short list of Idol alumni like Adam Lambert.  Maybe two or three might do well, but the alumni need to expand there show.  Naima didn’t have the best of voices, but her dancing added to her performance.  I am not sure who are the others.  Just winning American Idol does not mean the artists is a good entertainer.  Kelly and Carrie have definitely reached that point!

  • tigervixxxen

    That’s a good point that in a major theater in a new luxury hotel it probably could attract the “top end” Idols. The possibilities are endless.

  • JD

    Hasn’t this been going on in Branson

  • suenigma

    Oh and the beauty of having a successful residency in Vegas is that you don’t need to put out a record or fight for radio play, both of which are loosing propositions for all but a handful these days. You pretty much have to sell platinum to make a dime, and even then your profit is chump change compared to playing shows. Oh, and no evil record labels to fight with. ;) 

  • fantoo1

    Taylor is always grateful to idol, so I’m sure he would participate in it. He is proud where he came from.

  • fantoo1

    Sounds like a good idea!

  • curly_yenta

    No way. Taylor has his own, lucrative deal with Caesar’s Entertainment.  Why in the known world would he give that up to participate with an all-encompassing, general Idol show and give them part of HIS salary? Ha!  I think that would be a cold day in hell before that happens. He’s already proved he can sell out his shows without breaking a sweat. Taylor doesn’t need Idol – and hasn’t since he won.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    How many units does Boyz II Men sell these days? Shania Twains last single on Country radio bombed. Donnie and Marie have cheese running through their veins and haven’t had a hit song in decades.
    Yet people pony up money to see them in Vegas.

    Shania Twain and Boys II Men are considered to be superstar legends. Shania Twain has sold over 80 million albums worldwide and Boys II Men sold 30 million in the US alone and have singles that topped the charts for years.

    These artists hardly compare to artists who had one or two decent hit songs (if they were the lucky ones) or album sales like most of the past winners have. I’m not saying that this whole “Winner’s Showcase” won’t sell tickets, but you can’t compare the likes of Ruben, Jordin, Cook, Kris, or Lee with Shania Twain and Boys II Men. They aren’t remotely in the same category.

  • Kirsten

    It all depends how they do it, but this could be a STELLAR idea, for all
    concerned. TBH what you are proposing Kirsten just seems like an
    extension of the Branson, MO cheesefest that they’ve been doing for
    years.

    I’m not saying it has to be cheesy. I would like to see a well produced show. I’m just saying that Idol would fit right in with the acts that are in Vegas right now.

    People are there for a weekend and they want familiar. Doesn’t mean it has to be MacDonald’s familiar. It can be a high-end steak-house familiar. Cirque has a show in almost every major hotel. They can do that because people know the brand so people are willing to go to the shows. Cirque is not cheesy. Nostalgia acts (who are no longer current) do well because they are known brands. Idol is a known brand so I think people will be willing to give a try. Idols are good entertainers and singers, so I see the show quickly getting good word of mouth.

    I don’t think Carrie or Kelly would be interested at this point in their careers. Maybe when they have kids and need a stable life. Right now, going out to see the fans where they live works best for them.

  • JD

    I ts not that they wouldn’t come but they have nothing to gain from sharing stage with former also runs. You’re not gonna have Jennifer Hudson perform a group number alongside some 8th place finisher singing covers plus people like Kelly and Carrie are not splitting profits with Idols owners.. Let’s be real people. This sounds like the also ransom doing their lame shtick in Branson, playing games to middle America

  • elliegrll

    Taylor Hicks has proven that you don’t have to have current radio hits, or even a recorddeal, to be a huge success in Vegas

    I think that Taylor has accepted the fact that the chances of him being a commercially successful recording artist are pretty low.  At the most he might get a deal recording oldies.  This really isn’t a great idea for anyone who wants to be taken seriously as an artist, or who still wants to land a record contract.

  • JD

    Because 8th runner up can be gotten cheaply and is desperate to have a chance to make money singing in Vegas vs a local coffeehouse or a bar mitzvah plus they’re desperate for publicity and any amount of celebrity fame. And if theyre standouts, someone will take notice and sign them to a music or acting contract. For those unsigned, its a no Brainerd.

  • curly_yenta

    Yes, that’s what I just said to fantoo1.  People like Kelly, Carrie, Jennifer Hudson and Taylor Hicks wouldn’t in a trillion years split their performance money with Idol when they already know hey can do it on their own.  Other people, tho, like those other top 10 finalists who are looking for work would LOVE this, since they would have Idol to promote them (couldn’t on their own) and have a guaranteed salary.  Weather they’d have an audience, is the question.

  • Montavilla

    Season 9: Anybody they want. Lee and Crystal aren’t really Vegas material. Casey is busy, so Big Mike? Tim Urban. Siobahn.

    Katie Stevens.  Let Toddrick Hall create a show around her.  It would be great!

  • Montavilla

     Archie’s booked up for the next year and a half.  Possibly Syesha and Brooke.  I think Cook would turn up his nose, sadly.

    Syesha’s busy playing the female lead in The Book of Mormon.  

  • tripp_ncwy

    I wonder if in the end, this will go the way of the cruise ship idea a few years back. ;)

  • Niall

    One of the main problem with the Branson show appears to be with the months in advance promotion and leg work that needed to take place with the resorts and vacation companies. That work was never done, at least according to Elliott. People who plan a vacation in advance usually plan their entertainment in advance, and the AI show was never put on their radar.

    So if AI plans to do this in Vegas, they need to invest the time in networking with ticket brokers, vacation companies, and Vegas media. Do the groundwork before throwing a show out there. And yes, make sure the hotel is doing a large part of it because they know Vegas.

    As far as who should be invited, I lean towards the AIers who have charisma and put on a great live show. 1-3 month group residencies would allow people to continue their touring, broadway, or tv careers. Very few will turn it down if the money is good. There will be a large pool to choose from and mix and match.

  • jdanton2

     Jordin did a show with Boyz II Men in Las Vegas on New Years Eve . though it was not related to their current gig.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2K6LL4WPUTAY6TKG2VG3SYFA5M Erlinda

    Idol winners showcase in Vegas will be the best decision AI will ever make. I for one, for sure will see the show whenever I’m in Vegas for a vacation. I’m always looking forward for American Idol concert tour after the show, and Vegas AI winners showcase is a bonus entertainment for me if ever that would come to full fruition. 

    Vegas is one of the best entertainment center of the world! AI will have more exposure and if the show in Vegas is successful, that would make AI a brand name (as for me it is) in the singing competition show business and will be here to stay as long as it is in demand.

    On the side note, are the producer thinking of getting rid of the AI concert tour in the future to cut road concert cost? I wonder.  

  • elliegrll

    Lack of promotion was one problem, but the the bigger issue is that it, and whatever may happen with this Vegas show, are nostalgia shows, so it’s going to be hard to get people to come out and see performers who have been out of the lime light for years, and who never made a name for themselves in the first place.  Maybe it’s doable, since Taylor seems to have found a way, but I think that even in his case, the big draw is that this is a performer who was once on AI, and not a case where people are going to be drawn in by the performers themselves.  At least that’s how it will be unless the promoters can talk Kelly or Carrie into taking part.

  • curly_yenta

    Taylor Hicks has his own in-house promotion team with Caesars Entertainment. His face is plastered all over Vegas, from the airport, to billboards, to the marquees outside the hotels, to local magazines, to movable advertising trucks.  It’s comes with the deal of headlining your own show.  If Idol ever gets this idea off the ground, they’ll have adjoining posters throughout the city

  • jpfan2

     A “winners” showcase sounds like they’ll just have the current winner (plus maybe some also rans from their season).  Maybe have them do a month long residency after the tour or something.  I can’t imagine anyone who has a legit career (Carrie, Kelly, JHud. etc) bothering with this. They can sell out shows on their own. Why do they need Idol?

  • Trina

    Taylor doesn’t need Idol – and hasn’t since he won.

    So I guess if AI invited Taylor to perform this season he would turn it down? Pfft guess since hes such a massive superstar he doesnt need the exposure.  If it werent for AI Taylor would still be playing crappy dive bars.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Sounds like a good idea but I don’t think you’ll see Idols especially the popular ones who currently have their own careers and filling concert seats of their own getting involved. Why would they give a piece of the action to Idol. Lol at Idol trying to cut in on Taylor’s game.                  

  • Maya100

    It depends on what your definition of “artist” is.  Is Tony Bennett an artist?  Was Frank Sinatra?  Michael Buble?  Andrea Bocelli?  Barbara Cook?  Ella Fitzgerald? All of these singers sang or sing a majority of covers, and that’s not even discussing most jazz, blues and classical singers.  

    Artists come in all shapes and sizes.  Interpretation and pure singing is an art.  I’d put those names listed above against the majority of singers performing “original, current” music on the radio today.

  • durbesque

    Taylor could have been a member of the Rat Pack.  He IS Vegas.  He’s an entertainer first, a singer second, or third.  The minor Idols that will populate this venture are not in this category, although some are halfway decent singers.

  • curly_yenta

    No, he would probably would not turn down an appearance on Idol (that’s IF he wasn’t busy in Vegas lol), but it wouldn’t make one iota of difference to his career or his career trajectory. Unlike many others since his win, he’s gotten everything he’s earned by himself and HIS team that he chose.

    He is a superstar in Vegas. Go read some of the reviews of his show on the ticketmaster.com website.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Idol for years did everything they can to pretend Taylor didn’t even exist. Yes, Idol gave Taylor a platform but let’s be real Taylor worked his ass off with out any help from them and now it smells like they cutting in on his game. It’s funny how Idol always claim their own after they find success on their own without them , JHUD, Kat McPhee etc,,,. They ignore even some winners now but I bet if they blow up in 5yrs Idol will all of a sudden remember them.

  • Incipit

    Logistically and logically, this idea is an absolute mess for the current season – IMO. Because, when?

    That’s the question, isn’t it – When? Instead of the tour? So the Top 10 lose their tour revenue? And so does Idol? No guarantee they would all ever appear at this showcase (and unless the 19E first refusal contract is extended way past the usual time that included most of the tour – how else make the hamsters appear if they don’t want to) – and no idea what the pay differential would be…but since they had no new material – they are right back to covering other people’s songs, or whatever TPTB wants them to sing – just like the tour – except one at a time and with no job security. When would the big Press push begin for this in Vegas to pull in an audience – since they don’t have much lead time before the Win/Place/Show order is knownrevealed?
    Hmm, Very good for TPTB – they don’t have the buses and etc. to deal with or pay for  – or all ten people’s tour salaries – they also don’t have tour revenues  – but maybe that’s a wash, for them, IDK – they only have to promote the Idols in one city  – and the ten Idols don’t have to meet fans or do press all over the US so fans will know them and buy their product later…and uh, This is good for the Idols how? 

    Nevermind. Bad Idea. For the Idols.How many shows a week? For how long? More than the tour? So writing that first album – does that get put off too? Or, if it gets written instead – then does the Showcase take the place of touring for the album too?  Or happen ‘after’ touring for the album instead of writing for the next one?  (That would have played hell with the Neverending Tour. Heh.) Also Bad Idea.

    OK, so for most alumni/alumnae it’s years later  – and they’ve been gigging around and writing and recording, albums, EP’s, one-offs and such  – but the public may not know those songs….so – 

    – what do they sing – Does TPTB have them go back to the cover songs from their season that the public will recognize – even though most people were so happy to be finally finished with singing other people’s songs? Will TPTB pay enough bucks to the hamsters to make them retrogress to their Idol season? Eh, I suppose they could – but what is the upside for the alumni/alumnae to build on if they aren’t singing their own music…? This is good for the Idols how? 

    The more questions I ask about how this would work, the more holes I see. It has no logic.  I think it is a flawed idea, like the Cruise thing – where Idol PTB are a little green around the gills about Taylor’s success, and want a piece of that pie – because they can’t have any of his. And I don’t really think they are good enough to mount a Vegas Production, in any case. Not from what they have demonstrated on the tour, or the show. IMO.

    Step away from the idea – it’s a Danish Fish. *snerk*

  • elliegrll

    Very well, I’ll rephrase it.  This wouldn’t be a good idea for those who still have dreams of being able to launch a commercial career, where they are performing and selling their own original music, and not just singing covers.  

    On the other hand, for the vast majority of the people who made it into the top 10-13, all they are going to do is use their AI fame to make money off of singing covers, so they might as well sign on for this.

  • http://twitter.com/hawkscool8 John S

    I don’t think of “Superstar” when I think of Taylor Hicks lol.

    And I agree with those who say Taylor would never diss idol or act like he is above the show. He remains a fan of the show to this day. And I’m sure Taylor would love to be part of the idol winners showcase. He is in Vegas already, so why not?

  • elliegrll

    I also think this might be a replacement for the current tour. Kind of makes sense.  

    I agree, and at this point, given last year’s concert attendance, it would probably make more money for both 19/Core and the current crop of contestants.  19 wouldn’t have to worry about the cost involved of transporting the kids from city to city, and it would be easier to come to terms with the alums for a set fee.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Taylor has his own separate deal and contract with Vegas. How would he benefit by giving some of that up to be part of the idol winners showcase. Is Idol going to pay him the money he is making on his own? This sounds good for many of the top 10-13 but not for all Idols.

  • dishwalla

    Yes, Idol did diss Taylor Hicks, which he did not deserve.  But for years, he also been the butt of jokes among fans of the show, which he does not deserve.  Same with Lee Dewyze. I don’t consider Taylor Hicks a “superstar”.

  • Valarie

    It would be a real shame if Idol ditches the tour. It is the only way most of the finalists have been able to cash in on a very tough year of work and stress. But, in all honesty, season 12 isn’t shaping up to be a strong cast that can sell out arenas. Maybe this is the last, best option.

  • curly_yenta

    He’s in Vegas already, so why not? So you’re saying Taylor should give up his 7 figure income, his own residency, his own successful headliner show to work for Idol?  I suspect it would be a cold day in hell before he’d do that.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    If this replaces the Idol tour, then many people — including families — will never get a chance to see the Idols sing live again. It’s one thing buying tickets for the family to a show, it’s another to pay for everyone to travel to Vegas, put them up for a night or two at a hotel, and pay for food and everything else that goes into what amounts to a vacation. That would be a damn shame.

  • MNSue

    Idol has done diddly shit to foster Taylor’s career yet he promotes them at every turn. Taking the high road has to stop somewhere. Taylor needs to run fast and far from this project.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I think it’s a brilliant idea.  I haven’t been to Vegas in years and I have no plans to go anytime soon, but while I wouldn’t GO to Vegas to see this, I would totally see it if I were there and hadn’t already lost my allotted spending money on the blackjack tables.   :-)

    Add to Kirsten’s list… maybe Nadia!  Always loved her.  :-)

    ETA: Oh, I see she included Nadia.

    I don’t see why anyone who isn’t a big star would turn this down. It’s a great opportunity to make some coin performing. Isn’t that what it’s all about?

  • Miz

    Kirsten, you think they’d be forced to do covers and not their own catalogue? If so, I’d turn it down.

    I would expect a two week or a month residency and they would perform whatever they normally do in concert. It seems most of them have played casinos on their tours already. 

    Vegas has all types of music. It’s not all big flashy shows.

    Something I do wonder is if they’ll have only people still under contract with 19.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I’m not sure what the cruise ship thingie is, but I know a few idols (including Blake) did some sort of resort thingie this past summer in Mexico at a Hard Rock Hotel. It had a few idols and peeps from other shows.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    girlygirltoo, I agree! Vegas shows, by well known performers, are not cheesy! Sure there are some cheesy shows, but they are not the ones being done by well known entertainers. Vegas gets a bad rap just like “Broadway” does. Rotating Idols in and out of a residency show is brilliant and people would pay to see it. BTW, for casinos, the acts job is to get people there. The hotels and casinos make their money off the gambling, not the shows. The pay would be lucrative for the acts. I could even see Kelly or Carrie doing a week or 2 there.

  • Tom22

    Las Vegas is a kind of Adult Disneyland .   I don’t mean that by girls pole dancing either (but of course that is one of the rides available away from the casinos, not in them).  
    The American Idol thing has been working at Disneyland for years – helping both parties with something more current than the “enchanted tiki room” and Main Street and Tom Sawyer which played on american myths and dreams of a different era .Las Vegas loves a “brand” and every place needs a “theme” . The promotion and the “big as vegas” loops back to help Idol in a win-win way.   The bigger names might come in a week at a time once or twice a year but they could always have 4 or 5 recognizable faces week in week out  (whether or not some of those kids would be better off starting a career with full benefits and health and retirement security in their late twenties early thirties instead of continuing to pursue the rough financial position of a musician is another question).  Even the very biggest names who could write their own contract with the other resorts still might be able to be paid more and step right in with easier logistics etc( with Casinos using the Hot-ticket thing to make their big rollers feel important – and get wives on board for a trip etc)

  • elliegrll

    If it’s an nostalgia American Idols live type show, people would expect them to do the covers.  It’s like Lee singing his original songs in Branson, the songs may be good, but that’s not why people are coming out to the show. They don’t know those songs, and they want to relive what they remember from the show.

  • Niall

    I do think this would be a good way to reduce travel costs for the AI tour. Maybe instead of former idols, structure the summer tour with shows in home towns, and then set up for two months in Vegas. The newest, freshest idols will be there which potentially makes it a hotter ticket.

    With former idols who have original music but just haven’t hit it big, I could see how it would feel like a step back to do covers. Of course, a creative performer could do reworked covers and be creative that way. I also don’t think this damages anyone’s career or chances to improve their career. There are lots of b and c level AIers (in terms of public recognition, not talent), who have good but low key careers, and chunks of time where they’re available in between other things.

  • Valarie

    Here is an idea for season 13. For a salary of $20 million, divas should be willing to do a five song set to open each Idol tour show. Mariah, Nicki and Keith could rotate, so the royals wouldn’t be ‘overworked’. The judges have made themselves the stars, through their casting, so they should be willing to help the kids sell some tickets.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/25GDK6K44NHG5HJCEAAXNIPRAY CathyEM

    I saw the Idols show in Branson last summer with Lee, Thia, Elliot, Kim C., and Blake. Was not familiar with their originals (except Elliott’s), but loved hearing everyone. Lee’s music had a bluegrass feel, Kim was really energetic, Blake did an audience involvement number, etc. Poorly attended and I attribute that to inadequate marketing and the type of entertainment (very wholesome family/country oriented shows) people are accustomed to in Branson. Elliott and Blake are roommates now, and real tight with Kim C., so I wouldn’t be suprised to see the three of them on the same bill again.

  • Miz

    I’ve never heard of people walking away from any former Idol’s concerts complaining that they didn’t do a show of AI cover songs.

  • elliegrll

    That argument really isn’t relevant to this discussion is it, since we are talking about concerts/shows that will be centered around American Idol, and not concerts that are about the individual performers/artists.  What’s being described is a nostalgia show, so people would expect to see the alums singing the songs that they performed on AI.
    An individual’s personal concert wouldn’t be comparable, but what would be is some of the concerts that the alums have held in the Philippines, where it has been expected that they sing some of the songs that they performed on AI, and yes, there have been occasions at those concerts where people were upset that the alums didn’t perform certain covers.

  • Incipit

    I’ve never heard of people walking away from any former Idol’s concerts complaining that they didn’t do a show of AI cover songs.

    Not the whole show – most people do seem to realize there is an album or two or so of new music?  But Good grief, Miz – it was really bad in the beginning, but it’s five years later, and there are still people to be found complaining on twitter that DC didn’t do “Time of My Life” – or “Always Be My Baby” or “Billie Jean” at a concert. I don’t doubt the other winners get the same thing happening to them – I’ve heard it myself at concerts, from people who were only casual fans of the TV show, and want the nostalgia fix. Some of them even yell out song titles from the Idol covers. 

    And what else would TPTB be selling at a “Showcase” that would draw in casual fans but a nostalgia fix? Most artists have long since moved on  – years down the road. 

  • briguyx

    First of all, Caesar’s Entertainment is putting over $ 500 million into building the Linq, which is a shopping and restaurant area modeled after the Grove in Los Angeles, only there will be a huge 550 foot observation wheel to grab attention. So anything in the Linq will be widely promoted and there will be no problem getting attention for an Idol show there.

    Second, I would point out that “Dancing With The Stars” has been doing a show at the Tropicana that’s been successful enough to be bringing it back for a second residency. Considering how many problems the Trop has had drawing people since their remodel and the show just offered up a few stars, that should show you the power of linking a show to a current TV show.

    If Donny and Marie can sell out year after year, than so can a group of Idols. Not that Donny and Marie don’t have fans, but the key is getting the word out that the show is entertaining. That happened with Taylor too. I would think a selection of Idols would put on a very entertaining show geared to a wide selection of tastes. And remember, if say Clay came in to do a month, wouldn’t all the Clay fans buy tickets for that month? I’d think so and that goes for a number of past Idols.

  • elliegrll

    I was thinking about David in particular, but I have cringed at fans tweeting to other alums about performing AI songs at their concerts.  There’s nothing wrong with it, but I get the feeling that many of these people are fans of the show, and not the artists.  

  • Miz

    From the rumor:

    “winners showcase” for a possible permanent but ever-changing residency show to kick off the opening of The Quad at The Linq, when both become The Q.”

    Nothing in that suggests that the intent is to create a nostalgia show of the covers idols did on the show. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

      

    For a salary of $20 million, divas should be willing to do a five song set to open each Idol tour show. Mariah, Nicki and Keith could rotate, so the royals wouldn’t be ‘overworked’.

    There is no way in hell Nicki or Mariah would do this. I think they are both going to be a “one and done” judge.

    Keith might show up at a concert in LA, in support of the kids, and he is the one making the least.

  • elliegrll

    Here’s the part that shows you that it’s a nostalgia show: “American Idol is thinking about creating a winners showcase.”  It’s not the casino bringing in former idol alums, or the alums getting this on their own, the focus is American Idol, that’s the draw, and not the performers as individuals.

    This is not about promoting the alums as artists, it’s promoting them as being former reality show contestants, and promoting the show, which equals cover songs that they performed on AI.

  • MissMyEm

    I must have missed the part where it said “nostalgia”.  Is there an article somewhere that says this?

  • Miz

    It says ‘WINNERS SHOWCASE”. I see the names being thrown about are not winners with exception to Taylor who is already doing a showcase in Vegas.

    Evidently you have a lot more information than I do. 

  • MissMyEm

    But Good grief, Miz – it was really bad in the beginning, but it’s five years later, and there are still people to be found complaining on twitter that DC didn’t do “Time of My Life” – or “Always Be My Baby” or “Billie Jean” at a concert.

    I’ve gone to many Kris concerts and maybe…and I mean maybe because it doesn’t happen often…someone may want to hear Heartless.   But that’s about it.   Thankfully his songs carry so that casual fans don’t need to have Idol songs regurgitated.   I do believe the only song requested from Jason Castro is Hallelujah. I have not gone to a Clay or a Constantine show in ages, nor have I seen Taylor Hicks in years, so I can’t say, but I seriously don’t recall people requesting too many songs other than their signature songs.  For Clay maybe Unchained Melody and for Constantine Bohemian Rhapsody.   I don’t recall anything like that for Taylor, but I haven’t seen him in years either.

    So to net it out, I never see anyone complaining on Twitter that Idol songs were not sung, but I don’t follow every Idol singer out there either.

  • girlygirltoo

    I see nothing in the little blurb in the newspaper that suggests it is a “nostalgia” concert. A residency is just that — a residency done by an artist(s) over a period of days, weeks or months, where he or she performs his/her/their own music. A lot of bands play residencies at various clubs here in L.A. — how is this any different than that???

  • MissMyEm

    So typical of Idol.  Taylor Hicks, who they thought would be a big joke, is a huge success in Vegas, so now Idol wants to copy cat this by making an Idol show.   I wonder if they’ll start to “claim” Taylor as one of their success stories, just like they did JHud, whom they never acknowledged until she won the Oscar.  

    I can’t see Carrie or Kelly doing this.   The article does say “winners  showcase” and they’re two of the biggest.  

  • girlygirltoo

    Um…no. Idol brings ex-Idols back to perform on the tv show all the time, and they perform their own original material 99.9% of the time when they come back to the tv show. The only time they do covers is for IGB or other charity related reasons. There is absolutely nothing in this article blurb that suggests that they would come back to perform cover songs. First of all, none of the winners would agree to it, so why would the Idol producers even think they could do something like that?

    A residency is just that — a residency done by an artist(s) over a period of days, weeks or months, where he or she performs his/her/their own music. A lot of bands play residencies at various clubs here in L.A. — how is this any different than that???

  • sdmama

    I am intrigued. My first reaction was that because successful graduates won’t need it so they won’t do it, so I hope it won’t turn into All American Idol Rejects. But after reading the comments, I realized that if you are asked to be a part of it for as short stint, rotating, even your last name is Underwood, why not? It can be easy money for 20 min a day for 3 weeks that requires no travelling.

    From what I read about Concerts with Idol Finalists in Branson MO,  I am not sure how well the show will do without a big name. Maybe Las Vegas is different from Branson MO? 

    So I hope they will come up with a successful plan. This could be a good family friendly thing to do for people who go there with kids, too. American Idol ran long enough to tap into a long list of worthy finalists :)

  • RustySax

    I think this could work if, and it’s a big IF, it was organized, produced, marketed and promoted properly, but not in the same manner as a lot of the posts have indicated.

    Call the show “Idol Alumni in Concert” or “American Idol Reunion” or similar, something that attracts the potential customer’s interest, since AI is such a household name nowadays. Gotta have a hook to get them into the show. . .

    Most Vegas headlining shows are 90 – 120 minutes long.  Make this show
    about 135 minutes, with a 5 minute group intro/opening that segues right
    into the first featured alumni.  Give everyone an individual 30 minute
    set, with each Idol choosing their own mix/match of originals and
    favorite covers, not something chosen by TPTB.  Possibly mix up the
    appearance order nightly to give each a chance in the “pimp” spot during
    their five-week run.  Close with about a 10 minute group medley with
    lots of banter and harmonies, changing a couple of the closing songs
    every week as the rotation ensues and to keep it fresh.  Use a house
    band with the skills to do multiple genres to avoid setup/take down
    delays.

    As a talent pool, draw from ALL of the 100+ folk who have been in the Top Ten over all the previous seasons (at least those of whom are still interested in performing a live gig).  Some of the big names (Kelly, Carrie, etc.) might not choose to participate, but at least give them the option.  Mix ‘n match seasons for variety.  Make it a staggered five-week live gig for each alumni, rotating in a new Idol every week after a one-week rehearsal period (six weeks total).  At a minimum, pay AFTRA scale for 6 shows per week like Broadway, more if negotiated.  100+ alumni at four per week gives you over 25 weeks of rotation, so it would be awhile before you saw the same faces again.

    Most importantly, pay 19E or whomever $1 per ticket just for the use of the “American Idol” name – keep their hands OFF the production of the show itself.

    Would you go to Vegas to see something along the lines of this format?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Idol only has 11 winners. Who do you think they have in mind that would agree to this. Some winners have a hard time pulling in the numbers to fill seats on their own. Ruben, Jordin etc..Unless Idol go full out promoting this I’m not seeing it. Honestly, if I would go to see one of these shows I would want to see the Nadia, Elliott, Syesha’s of the Idol crop.

  • curly_yenta

    I think if Taylor cured cancer, they still wouldn’t have him in the opening sequence or claim him as one of their own. LOL

    That’s okay tho…. he’ll be around, being his classy self, doing his thang long after Idol is off the air. ;)

  • curly_yenta

    I think if Taylor cured cancer, they still wouldn’t have him in the opening sequence or claim him as one of their own. LOL

    That’s okay tho…. he’ll be around, being his classy self, doing his thang long after Idol is off the air. ;)

  • MissMyEm

    Huh?  Maybe I’m slow, but I don’t get how you got this from that little blurb MJ posted.   Unless of course you have some insider info that the rest of us don’t.   Can you tell us if you do?

  • MellyPer1692

    How so you know Taylor’s gig is for 7 figures? I missed that…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    I don’t think you need to be an insider to figure out that American Idol=cover songs they did on AI. It would be nice if there was a mixture of their own music but Idol isn’t going to get in the business of promoting Idols own work. You can also count out some of the big name Idols. No way in hell Kelly, Carrie etc,.. are going to participate. Idol would have to pay them the money they would ask for like any other gig which leaves out some of the big name Idols.

  • TarshaM

    I think I would like this if the “Idols” are showcased as real artists to show how they have progressed since their time on the show.  I think it will be a dripping cheesy mess if they try and recreate their on-show persona for the Vegas shows, especially for those that have been off the show for many years.  That said, I wouldn’t want to see any of the idols from the same season on a show together unless it is from recent (2 years max) seasons.  

  • MissMyEm

    I think you’re right and that probably goes for Kris and Lee as well.  Idol doesn’t like to be thwarted.

  • MissMyEm

    I think as long as the winners have good managers, it would be hopefully hard to corral them into doing only Idol covers.  

    Years ago, Michael Orland produced a few shows in San Francisco with some Idol alums and in actuality it was a fun show.  But that was years ago and it was fun back then.   Now with so many Idol winners having great CDs and songs that they’ve written or co written, I am not sure it would be fun anymore.   

    So if Idol songs, rehashed, are all Idol can come up with…I think it would be hard to get any of the winners to go for this.   I know Idol’s contract says they can use them howsoever they want, but I also think that a good manager can find loopholes.  Especially if the Idol is no longer represented by 19.

  • girlygirltoo

    I still disagree because Idol producers would be stupid to think that any of the winners would do this. The last thing any of them want to do is a show full of cover songs. There would be absolutely no incentive for them to do this when they can simply go tour and do their own music. So if that is what the producers are thinking, the plan will die a quick death.

    Also, I think people are overestimating the capacity of a venue like this. Clubs in Vegas hotels are generally pretty small. 

  • cherelann

    All I see is possibilities…Taylor has succeeded because he is an entertainer, the same goes for Wayne Newton & Terry Fator.  Bring in a director/choreographer that knows how to create magic & past idols will be given the opportunity to shine.

    It seems to me that many people on this blog have the misconception that a hit record makes people a star.  It definitely puts them on the map, however, a radio hit is not lucrative unless you also write it.  Concerts(sold out) are a performers real bread and butter.

    Las Vegas can afford to pay well because when you stand in line to see the show you are surrounded by slot machines so long lines produce profits.

    The only thing I find wrong with this idea is that the AI producers, etc. are involved as they don’t seem to have much integrity…if I were an AI alum I would read any contract with these people very carefully.  There are many producers out there so I would like it to be someone who would give these kids a fair shake.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    But Idol producers aren’t known to be smart right? They could have used this concept on their own show by acknowledging some past Idols winners or not to showcase them. Instead of bringing out the big name stars to perform they could have used some of the past Idols. Every week they could have featured an Idol like say Diana D who was having major success on broadway and showing little clips of her. How many albums did Blake or Ellitt put out and nothing.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    curly_yenta, you have expressed my feelings exactly!  Taylor Hicks is known beyond Idol.  Regardless how many others follow, Taylor did this on his own and is successful!  There aren’t that many alumni that could accomplish what he has on their own.  Being an ultimate entertainer is a must!

  • girlygirltoo

    Most of the Idol winners are no longer managed by 19

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Also, Taylor Hicks has enough name power to have his own Golf Tournament and be invited to participate in a fabulous Jimmy Fallon Grammy Award performance!  I know he hasn’t sold the albums that Kelly, Carrie, JHud has; however, he does headline his own show without Idol involvement!

    I would love a way for Idol to get the “So You Think You Can Dance” dancers involved in some production numbers.   Hasn’t this happened yet?

  • mjsbigblog

     Yes. And it’s mostly been a failure.  We’ll see if it works out in Vegas.

  • parsenip

    Melinda and Lakisha would be AMAZING.

    I’d get on a plane for that.  Love me some MindyDoo.

    I don’t see why anyone who isn’t a big star would turn this down. It’s a great opportunity to make some coin performing. Isn’t that what it’s all about?

    ITA.  50% of something (or 10/20/30%, whatever is left after 19 feeds at the trough) is better than 100% of nothing.  As for the people who are doing fine on their own/have escaped the clutches of 19Evil, that’s another story.

  • shell29

    I haven’t always been crazy about the way Idol has treated Taylor but in fairness they did have him back to make his big announcement about doing the Vegas shows (the first ones, not this latest residency). Didn’t they also have him back a couple of seasons ago to perform a song from his last album? They haven’t shown Taylor a lot of love but they have given him a little bit lately.

  • elliegrll

    Idol brings ex-Idols back to perform on the tv show all the time, and they perform their own original material 99.9% of the time when they come back to the tv show.

    I really don’t know what this has to do with American Idol doing a winner’s showcase in Las Vegas.  The two things don’t seem to be related.

    First of all, none of the winners would agree to it, so why would the Idol producers even think they could do something like that?

    They thought that some of the former contestants would agree to do an All-star season, even though none of those who were asked agreed to do so.  So, what would stop them from thinking that people who are trying to launch their own careers wouldn’t want to play in Vegas for a few weeks or a few months, and sing covers, that doesn’t mean that the former contestants would agree.

    A residency is just that — a residency done by an artist(s) over a period of days, weeks or months, where he or she performs his/her/their own music. A lot of bands play residencies at various clubs here in L.A. — how is this any different than that???

    Once again, the biggest difference is that this isn’t about the casino working out a deal with the artists, it’s about the casino first working out a deal with American Idol, and this residency being about American Idol.  Regardless of who signs on, whether they are former winners of also-rans, the one constant will be that it’s the American Idol show, and because of that people will expect to hear the songs that were performed on American idol.

  • elliegrll

    Most importantly, pay 19E or whomever $1 per ticket just for the use of the “American Idol” name – keep their hands OFF the production of the show itself.

    The use of the name is worth more than that.  That’s kind of the point that’s being missed by those who don’t see it as a nostalgia show.  Without Carrie, Kelly and only a few others, the draw is the name “American Idol”, and not some alums, even some of the winners, who no one has heard from for years.  Some of the winners can’t draw more than 200 people to a show these days using just their own names.

    19/Core are going to get more than $1 per ticket to license that name.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    None of the winners would do a nostalgia show singing covers for Idol. 

  • breakdown

    I don’t have  time to read  this whole thread right now but here’s a few quick observations from a Las Vegas resident. Taylor is not a Las Vegas superstar. His lounge only holds 200 and even if he sells out most of the time, of which I have no idea, that doesn’t come close to what I consider the real residency acts like Celine, Tim and Faith, Shania etc. As far as the Quad, that is the old Imperial Palace, a rather low end Strip hotel. I have no idea what kind of a makeover it is having so I don’t know how large a venue it would be. However, if some hotels are bringing back the “lounge act”, I have no problem with that. It gives less popular artists exposure and a bargain for those who enjoy them.

  • girlygirltoo

    I disagree. This isn’t the Idol tour, where the performers haven’t put out original music. This would be a bunch of artists who have all put out at least 1 album of their own material. I wouldn’t expect the majority of the audience to expect them to sing cover songs from 2, 5 or 10 years ago. I see very few people begging any of the ex-Idols to perform the songs they did on Idol at their own shows — they want to hear the music they are making NOW. There may be the occasional request for the coronation song, or for one of the more popular covers they did on the show, but those seem to be from a very small handful of fans. What I see are complaints from fans when they do too many covers, at the expense of playing their own music.

    And again, if the Idol producers seriously think they could get any of the winners to agree to come back to perform a set full of covers, they are delusional. None of the winners, not even the less successful ones, are that hard up.  

  • curly_yenta

    I don’t really think that’s true about people only wanting to hear them sing songs they did on Idol. I actually would prefer to hear them do originals. I know Taylor does a mix of Idol tunes, originals, album cuts and Vegas standards. He closes each show with Viva Las Vegas and the place goes insane. lol It’s all in the presentation.

  • elliegrll

    I don’t think that they would either, but Lee and Ruben did do that Branson gig, which was pretty much the same thing.

    I believe this is why people started bringing up the names of none winners who would jump at this chance.  

    girlygirl said: I disagree. This isn’t the Idol tour, where the performers haven’t put out original music. This would be a bunch of artists who have all put out at least 1 album of their own material. I wouldn’t expect the majority of the audience to expect them to sing cover songs from 2, 5 or 10 years ago.

    I’m doubt that the producers of the show would say that the alums can only sing covers.  I’m sure that originals will be allowed, but the originals and the alums themselves aren’t the focus of the show.  This won’t be a Kris Allen or David Cook concert, it is an American Idol showcase, what’s being showcased is the former reality show contestants, so the expectation will be that these people will sing covers, especially covers that they performed on the show.  

    I don’t see how you can argue that this isn’t about American Idol.

  • Goodvibes27

    While I agree that he is not a Las Vegas “superstar” such as Celine, Rod, or Elton, Taylor definitely does have a real residency. That’s how it has been advertised, and that’s what it is. The size of the venue doesn’t define a residency. And yes, it has been full or sold out nearly every night since he moved to the larger Napoleon’s at Paris. Taylor has been highly regarded and reviewed in the Vegas press since he has been there, and his audiences have been growing thru word of mouth. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Never say never. Gotta make money somehow.

  • standtotheright

    This is 100 percent a trial balloon. The production team is letting this float just to see how many winners and alumni immediately go “hell to the no” when the idea is presented. If some people say “only if X, Y, and Z” then it might go forward. But  “it’s a rumor, with accurate sources” just means “somebody trying to light some sparks from the ashes of 19E had an idea to make some money and they are really crossing their fingers that some of the talent would be on board.”

    Like everything else, it depends on the contract presented to the artists. And I’m not overburdened with confidence that a first draft of said contract would enthuse anyone making at least $1 million last year, or even less. Hell, Lee DeWyze and Blake Lewis just got new record deals. They have label-sponsored tour support for their own material baked in to their decision process.

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    Regarding Mr Hicks.  He’s fun live.  That being said… If I happened to be in Vegas and had a choice of seeing him alone or a cast of Idols.. I would choose the cast.  No disrespect meant to him at all. But he does covers, doesn’t he? Why not see an array? With the Idol brand, I can’t see anyone but hardcore Soul Patrol choosing a Hicks concert over a big Idol concert of past faves.

  • http://twitter.com/HighTensions Jake W.

    I love this idea!

  • Valarie

    Vegas isn’t Branson. I don’t think a karaoke show would work. The singer/songwriter Idols would insist on doing their own music.

  • elliegrll

    There are a lot of karaoke shows in Vegas, or more specifically, shows where artists are performing covers.  There are also shows that are done by tribute bands.  

    More importantly, as with any show, people want to hear songs that they are familiar with.  Any artist is only going to be able to get away with inserting a few songs into their set that haven’t received any exposure.

    I do think that this concept will result in 19 having to cast this show with people who didn’t win.  

  • curly_yenta

    Taylor does a nice mixture of songs, including his own originals, songs from his albums, covers and Vegas standards.

    Read about his shows/show content under “Las Vegas Headliners” on the Vegas.com website:
    http://www.vegas.com/shows/

    or here from Ticketmaster. There’s 175 show reviews.
    http://www.ticketmaster.com/Taylor-Hicks-tickets/artist/1092763

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    After reading all these many opinions as to who would participate and what exactly the show would consist of, I have to say that some of the answers might be revealed by knowing who, exactly, is behind this. I mean, the actual people. TV credits are very deceptive as we all know. Showrunners and creators who have long since left a show are still listed in credits even though they have little to do with its management — if anything at all. Simon Fuller no longer runs 19, nor seems to be very involved with Idol, but he does manage Carrie Underwood and David Cook. (Can’t remember if he still manages any other former Idols.) So, if *he* were involved with this at all, I would say there is some chance that he could convince Carrie and David to participate at least once. David has done a few things for Fuller that I thought were kind of hairbrained, so I wouldn’t put it out of the the range of possibility if that’s the case here.

  • elliegrll

    Simon Fuller sold 19, and I doubt that he could use the American Idol label without the consent of Core Media.  It would seem to me that they are the only ones who could license out that title, so “Ämerican Idol creating a winners showcase”, would mean that core Media Group is behind this.

    This isn’t too far off from some of the other things that they are involved in.

  • Goodvibes27

    Taylor hasn’t really left Idol behind, Idol left Taylor behind. In his Vegas advertising, he is billed as “American Idol Winner Taylor Hicks”. And why not? He won the damn thing, even if the folks at idol want people to think otherwise. 
    [blockquote]If I happened to be in Vegas and had a choice of seeing him alone or a cast of Idols.. I would choose the cast. [/blockquote]I guess that’s why Taylor fans are so resentful of this move. After seeing Taylor’s success there, 19 can just glide in, with a bigger advertising budget and hype, and just overshadow his show altogether.

  • elliegrll

     

    In his Vegas advertising, he is billed as “American Idol Winner

    Exactly.  If it wasn’t for that and AI, which has had Taylor back on the show multiple times, Taylor wouldn’t be asked to do these types of things, or pretty much anything else.

    19 has seen a change in ownership since Taylor was on the show, and many of the people who were in key positions are gone.  Maybe the anger would be better directed at RCA, but not really, because Taylor’s career is going along the same path that many people expected it to.  He’s not really a commercially viable artist, and AI has given him the opportunity to do what he does best.

  • curly_yenta

    Caesar’s Entertainment didn’t give Taylor a headlining show in Vegas because Idol asked him back on the show a few times.  They gave him a show (and he’s mentioned this in a few interviews) because he was a draw in casino settings across the country and was able to sell them out.  It was HE who made the contact with Caesar’s without one iota of help from the Idol corporation – and made it happen.  His show has succeeded in Vegas NOT because he was an Idol winner, but because he’s a great entertainer and singer and word of mouth is spreading and he’s establishing himself as a one the the best shows on the Strip.  The “Idol Winner” ad may get a few in there initially, but the show is succeeding on its own merits. All one needs to do is read the reviews from Vegas visitors, not all of whom were fans before or even Idol viewers.  

    Not all who pass thru Idol are of equal “value”.

  • standtotheright

     

    After seeing Taylor’s success there, 19 can just glide in, with a bigger
    advertising budget and hype, and just overshadow his show altogether.

    Hicks is not the only example of a resident performer in Vegas. Plenty of big names are performing there now. I suspect that someone would have floated this same idea whether or not Hicks had established his own residency there. And, again, there’s no guarantee that it will come to fruition anyway. So concerns about “overshadowing” his show are premature.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    Taylor had nothing to do with RCA, he was signed to Arista. 

  • elliegrll

    No, they gave him a headlining show, because he’s a former idol winner, who during his time on the show had a reputation for having a loyal fan base.  He also has a reputation of being able to draw in this type of setting.

    His show has succeeded in Vegas NOT because he was an Idol winner, but because he’s a great entertainer

    I never said this wasn’t true.  The initial draw is that he’s someone from AI, but Taylor has to do his job to keep them coming, and to expand his show beyond the initial 200 seat venue that he was in.

  • dishwalla

    Taylor Hicks may not have been a favorite winner in AI’s eyes, but that can be said about others as well.  But he would have never even gotten the Vegas opportunity without his name recognition from AI.

  • curly_yenta

    Remember, it’s always better to sell out a 200 seat theater, 5 nights a week, than to sell half of a 2000 seat theater. And why would he need to expand his show?  His show is set for a intimate setting. It’s succeeding. It’s been extended and is getting great reviews.  Bigger isn’t always better – and lot of times, it’s worse for the type of show they do.

    Taylor didn’t get his show extended with Caesar’s for a year for nothin. 

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    “…they gave him a headlining show, because he’s a former idol winner”

     Do you have any sources to confirm the reasons why and how Taylor got his show? And who are “they”?  

  • elliegrll

    That wasn’t a knock on Taylor, it was a compliment, because I was under the impression that the space for his show was expanded to include more people.

    My point is that part of the reason why he landed the position is that he is a former AI contestant, but he obviously has to be good in this type of setting in order to keep it, and have the casino give him a bigger venue.  It doesn’t change the fact that they are using AI to promote him, and that as expected in that type of environment, his set includes a lot of covers.

  • mmb

    i think this is a pretty good idea — although I’ve no doubt it would be more of a finalists (or top 24ish) showcase than a winners showcase.  They already have idol slot machines in Vegas, the Idol experience at Disney etc.  This would seem like a natural extension of the brand. There are already various Idol alum concerts where they get a bunch of the often lesser known finalists together — they seem to be well attended.  Why not put something similar together for Vegas? Its good work for the alums, people like to see familiar faces.The big name Idol alums wouldn’t particpate of course, unless they get paid a ton for a special appearance here and there.  19 would probably write appearances into the contracts of the new winners and finalists so that there is a constant flow of performers.  But there are now well over 100 finalist alums out there.  I bet they could put together an entertaining show for a small to medium sized audience trading on the Idol brand name

  • curly_yenta

    I don’t know what you mean when you say they are “using AI”?  You mean advertise him as an Idol winner? Sure they are, why not?  But he’s a success there not because of that – but because he’s got a great show and word is spreading. 

    Just as an aside, this proves that winning the show is worth it’s weight in Gold for years to come.

    Like I said in a previous post, his show consists of a mixed bag consisting of originals, album cuts from his 4 albums, covers that have been “taylorized” ;), and Vegas standards. 

  • MissMyEm

    That was my point.  I am well aware of that, which makes me quite happy.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    Personally, I doubt AI’s plans to mount a show in Vegas – if those plans even exist – have much, if anything, to do with Taylor Hicks’ residency there.  Vegas has been on AI’s radar since well before Hicks started his run; back in Season 9, the Idols went to the Aria for the Viva Elvis show and Adam’s mentoring session.  The Vegas rounds began during Season 10, correct?  With the implosion of 19M, the ratings decline and the unpredictability of the success of the AI tour, 19 is likely looking for new ways to leverage the Idol brand, and are considering a Vegas show as one possible venue for that.  No disrespect intended toward Taylor Hicks, but IMO the idea would have arisen whether he were there or not.

  • MissMyEm

     In fact, Phillip may be the only one. So, given all of that, how could this be about promoting the winners? What would AI get out of it?

    I’m not the producer nor is anyone here.  I personally never said it would be about the winners.  I said the blurb said “winner’s showcase”.  If that means other alum to you, then so be it.  It means “winners” to me.   I don’t think for one moment Idol is out to promote any winner unless that winner was their TCO, and the only one who was is Carrie.  They’ve treated most all their other winners like bastard children, in favor of the ones who were not voted as winners.  I also think Scotty may (may being the operative word) still be with 19 because the winner’s contract is for 3 years, to the best of my knowledge.  Lee may still be with them or be at the end of his contract, but someone who follows Lee would probably know better than me.   I’m well aware that the rest of them…from Season 8 and before, are no longer with 19, for which I’m grateful for…as I said to GG.  It’s kind of a moot point to rehash this argument ad nauseum, because it’s like he said, she said, isn’t it?  Whatever will be will be.   I also think Phillip is riding the wave of success with all his promotion now, but give him another winner’s season with Idol and they’ll probably forget who he is too.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    back in Season 9, the Idols went to the Aria for the Viva Elvis show and
    Adam’s mentoring session.  The Vegas rounds began during Season 10,
    correct?

    They went to Vegas back in Season 7. They took the contestants there during top 6 to be mentored by Andrew Lloyd Weber who was opening up a show in Vegas based on Phantom of the Opera. Then, during top 4, they flew them back again, gave them a makeover, and had them attend The Beatles show put on by Cirque du Soleil.

  • elliegrll

    I don’t think that whether or not this will involve only winners, or winners and other alums was the real bone of contention.  You replied about whether or not this is a nostalgia show, and my stance is how can it not be, when it is being created/produced by American Idol/Core/19?  That little fact alone shows that the showcase will be about promoting American Idol, and promoting whoever is involved as being from American Idol.

    Or, as mmb posted, this is about the brand. Which to me means giving the audience the same experience that they had watching the show, promoting these reality show contestants.

    To that end, unless someone is fine with being promoted as a reality show contestant instead of an artist, they aren’t going to do it, which would eliminate a lot of the winners from consideration.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    Maybe, “they” could re-vamp American Idol into American Cheese and reward the winner with one year Vegas residency singing covers.

  • Goodvibes27

     he would have never even gotten the Vegas opportunity without his name recognition from AI. So it can’t really be said that he did all of it on his own without AI.

    I absolutely agree Taylor got the residency because he has the name recognition of “American Idol Winner”. When I say he got the residency on his own, I mean it was based on his personal networking with Caesar’s officials (starting with a chance meeting at a Championship football game) and his draw history at their casinos. American Idol management was not involved in that. If anything, certain idol execs have made consistent efforts to discredit Taylor’s win and diminish his post-idol accomplishments.

    But show business is a strange thing. For all we know, they will announce the show with Taylor as the hub resident. He would probably do it if it meant more $$

  • MissMyEm

     

     Taylor is not a Las Vegas superstar. His lounge only holds 200 and even if he sells out most of the time, of which I have no idea, that doesn’t come close to what I consider the real residency acts like Celine, Tim and Faith, Shania etc

    I like Taylor.  He may not be my first favorite, but I have always liked him and I have seen him perform a few times.  However, if I may be honest, I think it’s unfair to compare him to people like Celine, The McGraws or Shania, who have been in the business a lot longer than him and are more established and heard on the radio, whereas Taylor, is not.   So for Taylor…or any Idol for that matter, not heard on the radio (and very few are), selling out a 200 seat arena night after night is a really good thing.   

    I’ve been to shows with Idol singers who sell out small venues and those who leave empty seats behind.   I would not put it past Idol to “buy” seats so they could say a show was sold out in a 2,000 or more seat arena.

    Personally, a small arena where it’s always sold out, is preferable to me anyway.  It’s always more intimate and one has a better view of their favorite.    I love Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi.  But if all I could get were nosebleed seats…I would never buy a ticket.  Not worth it to me.   And YES, I do know they sell out arenas much larger than 2000 seats, but I am bringing out a point.

  • MellyPer1692

    So many conspiracy theories lol.

  • MissMyEm

    I get your point.  Mine is different.  I’m done rehashing.

  • Incipit

    They went to Vegas back in Season 7. They took the contestants there during top 6 to be mentored by Andrew Lloyd Webber who was opening up a show in Vegas based on Phantom of the Opera. Then, during top 4, they flew them back again,

    Heh. Beat me to it, Sassycatz.  Idol has been visiting Vegas with the contestants since Season 7 – they even double dipped that year.

  • MissMyEm

    I’m well aware of that.  THAT was my point.  At least Season 8 and before are no longer managed by 19.  Contract is 3 years for winners to the best of my knowledge.

  • dishwalla

    When I say he got the residency on his own, I mean it was based on his personal networking with Caesar’s officials (starting with a chance meeting at a Championship football game) and his draw history at their casinos. American Idol management was not involved in that.

    What he did wasn’t anything special than Lee Dewyze getting signed by another record label or Kris Allen doing his recent tour.  Taylor Hicks was not managed by 19. It’s been almost 7 yrs since he won Idol. I think anyone by that time would have done some networking.

  • RustySax

     Ellie – I realize and understand that 19/Core would probably want more that a buck a ticket for licensing the Idol name.  But the real point was the second half of the sentence – keep their hands OFF the production.  19/Core produce a television show, not Vegas.  Using talented personnel that are familiar to producing Vegas shows could give us a show worth standing in line to obtain tickets, IMHO.  License the name, then get out of the way!

  • curly_yenta

    For those wondering, here is how Taylor is being advertised on posters throughout the city and at Paris (and Ballys) before. The show is sponsored by Heineken:

    http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/sandauer/ParisPoster_zpse32eaee1.jpg

    This is his ad on those movable ad trucks
    http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/sandauer/LVtruck_zps3d81bb28.jpg

    This is his merchandise table outside the venue
    http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/sandauer/252605_533233360044268_772309613_n_zps8500d346.jpg

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    As far as management goes, Scotty is no longer with Simon Fuller (never with 19)…I don’t know how, if the contract is usually for three years, but he has his own manager now (and he’s the management’s only client).  Lauren is still with Simon Fuller as far as we know…

    Don’t know what that will mean as far as Idol goes (he’s already said he’s slotted to appear at some point), also don’t think he’d be interested in a residency in Vegas when he needs to be moving around the country making radio contacts.:))

    So, I started thinking who might actually be interested/or not…

    Kelly…maybe for a short period so she can stay put with hubby or when baby making time comes around:)
    (Forgive me if I mess up the order, only watched starting for real in Season 10)…
    Ruben…my thought is yes?
    Fantasia…why not?
    Carrie…see Kelly; this of course could be years from now…
    Taylor…guess not,
    Jordin…I say yes,
    David…y’all seemed to say he would not?
    Kris…I think yes,
    Lee…with his new record deal, I’d say only for a short stint,
    Scotty…don’t think so,
    Phillip…that would be a no.

    So, basically, I don’t know if a “Winner’s” Showcase is in the cards…

  • breakdown

    This is a great gig for Taylor. Las Vegas embraces what they consider to be local shows. Keeps him steadily employed and in one place. But don’t make it more than it is.

  • MellyPer1692

    Scotty was never with 19M for management, but he is still with 19R I believe,

  • durbesque

    I agree with your use of “he did it on his own”. 

    ‘American Idol Winner’ is his earned credential.  It’s the basis of his present gig, as it was in ‘Grease’.  But he is totally responsible for everything that has transpired along the way, as he will be for future events. 

    It’s like a PhD scientist who discovers something new.  He gets the credit, not the university where he earned his degree. 

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I guess that’s why Taylor fans are so resentful of this move. After seeing Taylor’s success there, 19 can just glide in, with a bigger advertising budget and hype, and just overshadow his show altogether.

    So let me get this straight. Because Taylor has a residency already, he has dibs on the Las Vegas landscape?  Any other Idols who want to make a buck can’t do so?  This implies that Taylor’s draw is the AI connection and he’s not able to compete. I think he has his gig and can compete if this happens. If not, then why punish the other performers?

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I agree and I’m happy for his success.  I don’t think it precludes other Idols participating in such a show.  He wasn’t the first or the last on Broadway. Any smart contestant will use the show to their benefit.  And Hicks is no dummy.

    ETA: Sometimes there’s intellectual property issues between scientists and where they work.

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    Yep, the university often gets any profit from discoveries made on their equipment, etc.  See Gatorade…

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    University always gets all the profits… 

     

  • Valarie

    Taylor Hicks contract will probably expire before the Idol winners’ show gets off the ground. I don’t think he signed a lifetime contract.

  • curly_yenta

    Ah I spoke to soon. Seems American Idol will be filming some footage at Taylor’s show tomorrow

     @ScottRicks:@AmericanIdol will be filming a portion of Taylor Hicks show tomorrow night at 8pm at Paris Las Vegas@ParisVegas:disqus 

  • Karen C

    I wouldn’t rule David out, he’s been representing Idol in Asia. I think he would be more likely to do it if he could do his original music and not just covers. But I think most would feel that way.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Idol got the idea of Vegas showcase from Taylor. Idol has never been ahead of trends, always behind.  Public wanted WGWG for 5 years and they only started promoting the last one. 

  • girlygirltoo

    Scotty is managed by someone in Nashville. He has not been with 19 for awhile. As far as I know, the only winners still manged by 19 are Phillip and Lee. Everyone else is gone.

  • girlygirltoo

    It all depends on the terms. As I said, none of them would do this if all they were going to be singing cover songs. That would do no good for any of their carrers. But if the residency is set up basically like a series of concerts like they would do in any other city on a normal tour (and the $ is decent), then there might be more interest. 

    Also, Every winner, from Kelly to Phillip, have busy careers. None of them are just sitting around waiting for something to happen. So these showcases would have to be planned around everybody’s different schedules, which could be quite an undertaking. 

    Obviously, this showcase would not happen for awhile, but just to use the next couple of months as an example in terms of potential scheduling issues, Phillip, Scotty, Lee, Kris, and Carrie (I think she is?) are  and/or will all be out on tour (Scotty, Lee and Kris are also all either currently recording or plan to record new music in the next few months), Kris, of course, is also about to become a daddy (in July), so who knows how long that could potentially impact his schedule/availability once the baby’s born. David C is writing for his next album (and for other other artists), Jordin is working on her next album and doing various acting jobs, Fantasia is (probably) going to be promoting her new album, Taylor will continue to do his Vegas residency, and I believe Kelly is working on her next album. I’m not sure what Ruben’s up to, but I would guess he is either touring or working on new music as well. I know people sometimes think these guys aren’t busy because they aren’t going out on big tours or their music isn’t on the radio. But they still stay plenty busy.

    Which is one reason why I think that if this project ever becomes a reality, we’d likely be looking at short residencies for any of the ex-Idols, probably no more than 2-4 weeks each (of course, they can do more than 1 of these; for instance, someone could do a 2-week stint in the spring, then return for another 2 eek stint in the fall).

  • elliegrll

    American Idol has always been cheesy, and seen as a cheesy show by many people outside of the bubble.  That perception hasn’t stopped people like Carrie, Kelly, Daughtry or Fantasia from finding success.

    That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if the showcase winds up being staffed by the current season’s contestants, with the winner as the headliner.   It could replace all or part of the tour, and possibly result in the contestants making more money.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7LS7KC5AHEOV5R27XD7GCWBHFU J

    Technically, Idol first went to Vegas in Season 1.  That was for the Idol Vegas special that aired on FOX shortly after the regular season run.  And it wasn’t just the top ten.  It was the top 30, but only the Top 10 were highlighted.  This is when Kelly first sang with Reba.

  • mshepnj

    What’s next?  19 Entertainment will have it’s own show on Broadway with former Idols in revolving roles? A theatrical remake of “A Star Is Born”, perhaps? “All About Eve”, staring Jessica Sanchez as Eve Harrington and Melinda Doolittle as Margo Channing? 

    LOL – any way to squeeze a few bucks out of their aging franchise.

    As an aside, I will be in Las Vegas the last week of March and have tickets to see Taylor Hicks’ show. I’ve seen him perform before and he puts on a great show. I can’t wait to see what Taylor is like with Vegas level production!

  • Axxxel

    That is a wonderful idea… American Idol own Broadway show !! Maybe after American Idol is no more…

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  • Incipit

    What’s next?  19 Entertainment will have it’s own show on Broadway with former Idols in revolving roles? 

    Bwahahaha! – Well, maybe Off-Broadway – but if they do – it ought to be subtitled the “Simon Cowell Memorial Tribute Extravaganza!!” With exclamation points. Then Cowell can sue their butts and TPTB can get free buzz for their little moneymaker.You know, manipulate the entertainment news, like he and Nigel already do –  And have Dogs and Ponies too. Of Course.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “American Idol has always been cheesy, and seen as a cheesy show by many people outside of the bubble.”

    AI is a cheesy show to everyone, not just those outside the “bubble”. lol

  • http://twitter.com/cara_lee pj

    I hope it isn’t replacing the tour. If so, Idol is shooting itself in the foot. The tour is for families and super fans. I can’t go to it since I moved to a smaller city, but I think it’s part of the glue that keeps Idol working. No family is going to go to Vegas to see the recent winner and the rest of the crew. They would travel to their local arena or smaller venue. It keeps Idol in their minds during the off season.  I would think a Vegas run should be about the casual vegas visitor who wants to see a show.

  • Mary Shepherd

    According the promo, the show is billed as Taylor Hicks, not American Idol Taylor Hicks. http://www.parislasvegas.com/shows/taylor-hicks.html?creativeproperty=PLV&source=PSx17x2597&site=google&act=INC&cmp=LAV_PLVVis.TaylorHicks_Exact&adg=Vegas&kw=taylor_hicks_las_vegas_show

    Yes, American Idol is mentioned in the bio, but it’s about him as a performer, first and foremost. So while I agree that American Idol is the foot in the door, Taylor made a name for himself in Las Vegas by putting on an entertaining show.

    How that would work with the future (or past) Idol winners is anyone’s guess. I think it depends on who wins this season and what the ultimate goal of the Interscope part of the equation wants. Will this new winner go into the studio right away, or delay recording to appear in a Vegas showcase?