Adam Lambert “On With The Show” Track List

Why would they release “Want” as a first single when they have such fantastic songs as “The Circle”, “Kiss and Tell” and “15 Minutes of Fame” (aka “Pop Goes The Camera”) that were in fact co-written by Adam and have the Pitman/Madonna connection as a marketing blurb?
It seems incredibly stupid to me.

Something is fishy in the state of Hecker. Did they not have the right’s until now?
Is this a pressuring ploy to force RCA to buy? Or Adam to market?

I don’t understand.

Doesn’t it seem weird that this “memo” is dated June 23rd? Shouldn’t the Final list have been in place before they announced the album? Is this some sort of damage control?

This raises more questions than it answers, but if it’s true it at least explains why “Want” was released first. Looks like it’s one of two songs on the “album” that Adam doesn’t own any part of.

“Want”doesn’t have anything in common with the Citizen Vein recordings, except for Adam. At least now we know who to blame for the schlocky lyric.

TMZ “leak” could easily be a bluff from HiFi to get Adam/RCA to say something. I don’t think they can be held (legally) responsible for it even if it turns out to be complete BS.

It’s interesting that both songs that we really know are meant to be on the album (“Want” and “On With The Show” since it’s the title track) are listed as being written by the same person (and not Adam). I bet that the other one is exactly like “Want”: a songwriter demo that Adam just sang as a session singer.

Something else to think about. They had to include “Want” and “On With The Show” on the memo for obvious reasons. I find it interesting that they are the only ones not written by Adam on the track list. Coincidence? It’s one of the reasons I’m inclined to believe that the track list is fake. They could be trying to make it appear that Adam is more involved in the project than he actually is, in addition to provoking Adam/RCA/19E to make a statement. That’s what they’ve been trying to do all along, after all.

These HiFi folks seem as number challenged as Kara – Haven’t they been saying 12 songs? This shows 11. Also they have changed from 8 written by Adam, then to 9.

The % thing is strange – I’m sure I’ve never seen that before. Just lists of who co-wrote, not a breakdown of how much each contributed!

Did they actually announce an “album” before they even knew what would be on it?

I am assuming that Adam’s statement (that we’ve all read over and over!) was only talking about Want. It does refer to the “track” and doesn’t use the word album. If even HiFi didn’t know what they were including on this “album” then it is pretty unlikely Adam would know either.

Could Adam have given/sold his rights to these songs to Monte before going on Idol? Monte could have been concerned that this stuff would never get released if it was still tied to Adam and he did well on Idol…

Hifi contradicts itself again. Didn’t its first statement say most of the songs in the pre-idol album were mid-tempo ballad, similar to ‘Want’? à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The Circleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Kiss and Tellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“15 Minutes of Fameà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  don’t sound like ‘Want’ to me.

mp3 Killed The Record Companies? Oh, my this is just so ironic, that I cannot help myself. I have to yet again post my interpretation of the song titles.

1. Beg For Mercy – You can beg for mercy, but we are going to release this anyway

2. Crawl Thru Fire – Yes, Adam Lambert, you’ve crawled through the fire before and now you get to do it all over again!

3. Want – We know you don’t want us to release it, but we want to make some MONEY

4. Kiss and Tell – Or should we call this Sing and Sell? Never trust anybody not to Tell or Sell. Nothing is forgetton

5. Just The Way It Is – Yes, it kind of sucks that we are selling these songs, but that’s just the way it is in this old business.

6. Turning On – We know we are turning off a lot of Adam’s fans, but we just need to turn on the money spigot.

7. On With The Show – You’ll survive. Your a showman. The show must always go on no matter what. The costumes, the scenery, the makeup, the props.
There’s no business like show business, like no business I know. Let’s go on with the show!

8. Runaway – Heh! You can’t run away from these songs. We own ‘em and now we are releasing them.

9. 15 Minutes of Fame – Sorry, we need to borrow some of your 15 minutes.

10. The Circle – It’s kind of like the circle of life. When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass. And so we are all connnected in the great Circle of Life. Right now, your a$$ is grass and we are grazing.

11. mp3 Killed The Record Companies – And we are dying and RCA is dying and we just need to use these little old mp3′s from our vault to make a little cash and live another day.

And now I will get out my asbestos underwear.

The fact that this memo was dated Tuesday seems odd to me, this is information Hecker should have had. This guy is looking more ridiculous by the minute.

They release “Want” when we could have had “Crawl thru the fire?” which I’ve had on my ipod with a lot of repeated listenings…how are half these songs like Want?

Which I can’t STAND Want. Adam sings it beautifully but a lot of tripe it is.

Gosh this whole thing is still so weird and fishy.

I do find it odd listening the percentages behind the names…I’ve never seen such a thing.

What also seems a bit strange to me is the fact that the two songs that have Adam not accredited to them, “On with the show” and “Want” are the title of the album and new single respectively. Funny how they are the only two…

Soooo peculiar, all this is.

“Pop Goes the Camera” is one of my favorite Adam songs and I think that one could be a hit.

“Crawl thru the Fire,” another fave; I wonder if they “cleaned it up” for the album?

As already noted, what an odd mashup of songs on one album. Clearly someone’s attempt to give the album “Adam cred”

They could be trying to make it appear that Adam is more involved in the project than he actually is, in addition to provoking Adam/RCA/19E to make a statement.

They could actually also be doing this to make the fans start bying Want.

This is hot – I have never heard it before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSLdjzv9BYs

Another interesting thing is that Adam took down all these CV songs from his myspace after the final. Could that be connected to this?

Saga, this is standard practice for all the signed AI contestants. 19/the label want them to start with a clean slate..umm..if possible..

I wouldn’t mind bying “the circle” but I’d want it rerecorded since the soundmixing was a bit off. The vocals were not balanced against the intruments. As it is now, I don’t really think it’s of selling quality.

Oh what a shonky lot!

On Friday when this was released to the press the only songs named were ‘want’ and ‘on with the show’, what is the betting both of these are demo’s from 2005, and they are what Adam’s statement referred to. Hecker said in his statement that they had not talked to 19/RCA so they would not know what else was going to be on the album. Maybe the other songs they say can make a 2nd album are more demos.

The other songs that are listed have got something to do with The Citizen Vein, which only had Adam as a lead singer, are the rest of the band getting shafted too! Don’t they deserve royalties for there part? Did the other members know this was going on, have they sold out to get some money?

If these are so good why did they not get a contract and have them relesed in 2007/2008 when they were recorded?

John Titta and John Hecker are business partners so this is an internal memo, but I bet they ‘leaked’ it to the press.

Zerika said it very well-

“TMZ “leak” could easily be a bluff from HiFi to get Adam/RCA to say something. I don’t think they can be held (legally) responsible for it even if it turns out to be complete BS (or am I wrong?). That’s the beauty of leaking memos.

It’s interesting that both songs that we really know are meant to be on the album (“Want” the single and “On With The Show” the title track) are listed as being written by the same person and without Adam’s involvement. I bet that the other one is exactly like “Want”: a songwriter demo that Adam was hired to sing as a session singer. They had to include those on the memo for obvious reasons so I find it interesting that they are the only ones not written by Adam on the track list. Coincidence? It’s one of the reasons I’m inclined to believe that the track list is fake. They could be trying to make it appear that Adam is more involved in the project than he actually is, in addition to provoking Adam/RCA/19E to make a statement. That’s what they’ve been trying to do all along, after all.”

Also- does anyone know if there is a site where all of Hecker’s press releases are listed chronogically on one page?

They say they have materials good for 2 albums. My guess: half of them are demos like ‘want’ that they initially planed to include in the ‘On with the show’ album because they have the whole right of these songs and don’t need approval from or share loyalties with Adam; half of them are something like Citizen Vein’s songs which are on online for quite a while, listened and owned by many Adam’s fans and therefore won’t sell good (in hifi’s mind only).

Obviously their interest is not to make an album that either represents Adam’s music taste (no matter how many times they claim they are) or share the best of Adam with his fans. Their interest to make quick buck with the minimal input.

It a pretty good guess that the people behind this so-called album have no intention of trying to make money selling an album on iTunes or distributing it in any way. They are, most likely, looking for a quick cash settlement from 19E. Stick a song on iTunes. Write a few press releases. Pocket a quick hundred grand. Not a bad day’s work.

Zerika on another Adam board said it very well-

I also said it here, in almost same words :lol_wp: I have tendency to copy-paste, sometimes. Often the same discussion is going on in several places, after all.

Please issue a statement, Adam. There has to be some sort of clarification he can offer, right? And I also want to know why Want was the first single released, if they have the real Crawl Through Fire, and not some early demo…

Adam tweeted last night about another writing session, and I don’t for one second believe this was coincidental. I bet he and 19/ RCA want to get a single out ASAP and detract attention from this mess.

Squirrely
Jun 25th, 2009 at 9:39 am
This is hot – I have never heard it before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSLdjzv9BYs

Wow !

I just love Adam’s voice.. Love those high notes; he is really something else. The music is a little harder than I like, but Adam’s vocals make it all okay.

I think the percentages are there because this memo was always meant for release. It was meant to be leaked as proof that Adam was indeed involved in the writing of the songs thus mitigating the exploitation accusation thrown at them by the fans..

This smells of desperation and lat minute maneuvering, I don;t believe for a minute that this was the the track list intended for release a week ago. I think the backlash from the fans caused quite a bit of scrambling on the part of HIFI and that this is the result of it.

At least the Adam songs are good, the ones I’m familiar with anyway. I also think that Micheal Burtscher (Want author) may have gotten his dreams of releasing all his Adam demos dashed by the change in the track list? I think the original album may have consisted wholly of demo tracks.

And I also want to know why Want was the first single released, if they have the real Crawl Through Fire, and not some early demoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

The reason they released this is because they have a 100% legal right to it and so would not face any lawsuit. Adam was demo singer and paid for it. They own it and can do what they want with it.

The other songs have other people involved with from citizen vein, or another writer ( Kiril, who is VERY famous for doing movie scores etc) it may be more of a legal minefield if they had tried to release these first.

I don’t think Adam needs to issue another statement. If the list is true, hifi choosing ‘Want’ as first single and naming the album ‘On with the show’, both of which don’t represent Adam, says enough to me and Adam’s previous statement stay true. If the list is fake which means the album is likely full of demos, Adam’s previous stay true as well.

…it may be more of a legal minefield if they had tried to release these first.

If it was a minefield before it should be a minefield still, right?

If anyone wants Kiss and Tell the Fonzerelli remix is still on YouTube and it is really good. Maybe he will release it since he is releasing “What’s Love got to do with it” on the 29th. I’d rather give him my money since he has respected Adam. It’s also a great dance mix.

If it was a minefield before it should be a minefield still, right?

As far as the songs ‘want’ and ‘on with the show’ there was no legal problems as they do own the rights to those, but yep now involving all the other people, unless they have all signed over their rights, is more of a problem for Hi Fi.

I’m so done trying to figure this out. But I see that Adam’s Idol compilation album is still at #89 on the hot 100 iTunes albums. I think that’s pretty impressive, given that nothing from the album is being released (or re-released).

I want a brand new single.

I think 15 Minutes of Fame is Pop Goes the Camera. They just renamed it.

This track list is a bluff to provoke a reaction out of RCA/Adam.
Hecker is desperate to have them start playing he said/she said for publicity. Someone mentioned this on another forum and I believe it.

I just don’t understand so I’m sincerely asking be educated…… why are people calling for Adam to issue any more statements? Isn’t the only stipulation to Idol be that they aren’t under current contract? We all know he did help write these songs I don’t think that has ever been disputed. We all also know he has been a session singer and we can assume he doesn’t have any rights to those particular songs. Is he supposed to sign away his writing credits also just because he goes on AI?

I guess I’m just not getting what it is that people think he did wrong and why he should say anymore. Even if he did meet with them it could have been at the behest of Pittman or as a heads up that these songs were going to be released. Even if he did know what is wrong with any of this? We also don’t know that someone from 19 wasn’t even in attendance at the meeting. I doubt he wanted to do anything to screw up his big break.

And am I understanding things right that since this is a tracklist from a leaked memo, they can not be held accountable? I mean it’s not a definite document that lawyers can act upon?

Maybe he will release it since he is releasing à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Love got to do with ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  on the 29th.

Didn’t know about this. Releasing where? A dance-mix?

This gets more and more interesting every day. I don’t think the percentages listed for songwriter split is odd in the context of this being an internal memo. I do agree that this “leak” (if the document is real) was not an accident. I also have the feeling that if this is what really is going to be on the album it was not what was originally planned.

If they released Want first because they didn’t have rights to the CV stuff wonder how they are getting them now. Or do they still not have them and, as others have said, are trying to just get something out of 19E/RCA? It will be interesting to see what comes out of this.

I also wonder if they realize that many of Adam’s fans have at least 4 of these songs already.

AussieFan, it is very possible that Adam and the CV band members have signed their rights on the recordings (not the songwriting) away. It is something that new artists who are desperate to get their name out there might sign for.

This track list is a bluff to provoke a reaction out of RCA/Adam.
Hecker is desperate to have them start playing he said/she said for publicity.

Hi- I’m BooBooKitty, too :bye_tb:

I find myself losing interest in Adam already. That is, until I hear him speak and sing. Like many an Idol before him, it’s a challenge to separate my feelings for him from my feeling for his fanatic fans.

Adam isn’t making a big deal about it and I’m glad. He doesn’t need to say anything else. I understand he was a struggling artist and he did some prior work. And it’s a good business decision for anyone who paid for this work to release it now. Adam met with them recently and removed these songs so it’s no surprise. I’m happy that Adam let me know that his newer music will be different and that he has grown in his songwriting. All good.

I’m excited to buy this album. The itunes version of Want was better than the downloads I’ve heard online, so I’m hoping the same will happen to the other songs. I’m glad Monte is getting something out there – maybe this will help him. Many of these people were so good to Adam and worked with him before he got famous.

edit: dial back the defensiveness

Yeah I think “15 Minutes of Fame” = Pop Goes The Camera and “Runaway” = Glamorize. I’m betting “I Got This” and “Rough Trade” and few other songs got re-named too.

Well, if you’re a hard core fan, you already “own” these songs. So what’s the point Hi-Fi?

Also neither “Want” or “On With The Show” were written by Adam and clearly don’t sound ANYTHING like the other stuff.

Heckler is just proving more and more each day how shady he is and how he’d do anything to twist the truth.

On the YouTube video for this he says he is releasing this dance remix of the song that he recorded with Adam on June 29th. Again Adam was just a singer on this and was already paid. It seems he was doing some singing for Fonzerelli aka Brazen when he decided to try out for Idol. Fonzerelli issued a statement wishing him well and saying if he releases anything else it will probably be at no cost. This was already slated to come out for the European dance scene with summer where he is a major player.

This is actually starting to be kinda funny. Out of necessity (because there is no way this is the original track list), this company is now releasing songs that have been on YouTube for months. LOL! RCA/19 should continue to ignore the entire thing. I’m enjoying the silence (a nice little fu in my book).

A review of Want by the Boston Herald.

Maybe not, but à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is not bad. Both lyrically and melodically, the tune is Beatles-lite. Something approximating a mash-up of the Fab Fourà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“All You Need is Loveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and Clay Aikenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Solitaire,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is driven by a synth-y organ, gentle percussion and Lambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s angelic-yet-angsty vocals.

Nothing brilliant, but nothing an à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  contender should be ashamed off – unless 19 Entertainment is telling you to be ashamed for image purposes.

Take-home message: If youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re a Lambert fanatic, head to iTunes to sample the track. No need to wait for 19 Entertainment to release the silver medalistà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“officialà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  debut. This quick fix will sate your Adam addiction.

LOL I’VE ALREADY HEARD HALF OF THESE SONGS.

AND I’M GOING TO DOWNLOAD THIS ILLEGALLY IF I LIKE ANY OF THE SONGS, NOT GONNA LIE. NOT PAYING FOR THIS.

Don’t know where to put this but Adam had a writing session with the AWESOME Sam Sparro last night!

http://twitter.com/therealGlambert

On my way to songwriting session w the brilliant Sam Sparro!!
about 12 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/sam_sparro

Waiting at the studio for Adam lambert. Working on stuff for his lp. Should be a blast about 13 hours ago from TwitterFon

BLACK AND GOLD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHuebHTD-lY&feature=related

Kirsten “And now I will get out my asbestos underwear.’

No way, I always learn so much from your posts about the music business and I love your humor as well. I have never been a fanatic fan of no one, ok maybe Mozart but he’s been dead for a long time and Anderson Cooper but that’s another story entirely, therefore I find these discussions fascinating.

Cay I completely agree with you. While I think the whole thing is weird (the constant press releases, the releasing of Want and naming the album on with the show — the two tracks adam did not write, etc. etc.), for legal reasons I doubt HiFi is not telling the truth. I think all Adam fans should want this album and should support it. This is really no different than someone who bought some early picasso paintings when he was a struggling artist and selling them years later when he was famous…the seller does not need Picasso’s permission or blessing to sell the paintings…Picasso says these are old paintings not reflective of his current style…now that he is famous, the owner is making $$ off his early paintings and Picasso gets bupkas (other than what he initially sold them for)…this happens all the time in art. I don’t think Adam is being taken advantage of — he was paid what he was paid in the past and if he is legally entitled to royalties he will get them. I do suspect that Adam and his people were not aware of what HiFi intended to include on the album — but who knows. One of the things I kept hearing during the show from Adam-critics was that “I would see Adam in concert but I would not buy his cds”….I would not want ANY of his released cds to tank and give credence to that view….If On with the Show does well it is only to Adam’s benefit

So is Adam still maintaining that all these songs he co-wrote and recorded were just not-for-public-consumption demos cut four years ago as a voice for hire, and then subsequently performed in public or is he going to stand pat with that whopper. I guess the plan at RCA/Lambert central has changed to, “Say nothing until you have a somewhat believable lie to tell.”

I really hope that the track “MP3 Killed The Record Company” is a rap track because just saying that title makes me fall into a rap-like cadence (I even put a little extra “Yo!” at the end.) and my life won’t be truly complete until I hear a Adamesque shriek in the midst of a spoken work performance.

Who cares about asking why this and why that…just bring on this album…I want to buy it then hear it. Support Adam…he is going to make money from this!

From this list of songs I think it must be obvious to everyone now that Adam was very involved in these songs!

Kirsten – Loved your post! Too funny!

Maybe I’m in the minority here, and I just have to live with that. I consider myself a huge Adam fan and will support him in his new RCA release. I bought my Idol concert tickets the first day, and only because of Adam am I going to an Idol concert for the first time in 8 years. That said, here goes…

I bought Want on iTunes, legally. It was only $1. I will buy On With the Show legally, if these are the songs on it, because I love most of those songs. I do not feel I betrayed Adam because I understand these are “early” and rough demos he did as a starving artist and I very much look forward to his new music and will talk it up to others. Guess I’m something of a “completist.” Here are my reasons for buying legally: 1) I don’t really know how to find the illegal songs, and it was easier to hit the link from MJ’s post. 2) I don’t feel good about illegal downloading, and I’ve never done it even when it was made available. 3) There are other artists, producers and writers associated with this product whom I feel I would be “stealing” from if I illegally download the album or songs. Those people, imho, deserve a form of compensation for their work. 4) Adam was paid as a session singer, and maybe that’s not fair if that turns out to be all he gets, but I truly believe that the execs who say he is getting more compensation than that could not be allowed to say that statement if it weren’t true in some way. In other words, if Adam is getting NOTHING from the sale of this album, why hasn’t he or others made a statement to that effect? So, though it isn’t the amount he’ll get through RCA, I do believe he will make some sort of profit as a partial songwriter for this material. 5) It’s been said by many others, and I also believe, that this cd of early tunes will not in any way hurt Adam’s career in the long run. The media is very clearly addressing these songs as rough and early music pre-Idol. E! and other media are also extensively hyping his new collaborations with RedOne and others. His RCA album is going to be huge; I will buy it no matter what, even it’s got some songs in a genre not entirely to my taste. I love his voice that much.

MJ does not allow us to attack one another, but I decided to be honest and confess this and hope that there’s room for every type of fan here. :blush_tb:

Snuffles: thanks for the link. Great song. If RCA want to push Adam as an international star then teaming him with some more Euro-central people is a good move. I listen to BBC-1 on Sirrus and the sound is a bit different over there. This could help him with moving into both markets.

So is Adam still maintaining that all these songs he co-wrote and recorded were just not-for-public-consumption demos cut four years ago as a voice for hire, and then subsequently performed in public or is he going to stand pat with that whopper. I guess the plan has changed to, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Say nothing until you have a somewhat believable lie.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

The official statement from Adam is posted at Adamofficial.com. It has been posted over and over, so I am just quoting the first bit…

As you may already have noticed, there is a new (old) track floating around that Adam sang vocals on. Here is Adam’s official statement:

Back in 2005 when I was a struggling artist, …..

It looks pretty clear that the statement is in reference to Want (and possibly On With the Show) since those were the only songs he would have known were involved. I don’t consider the statment a “whopper” – it is quite clear that it is not saying anything about an entire “album” of songs – it refers to a “track”.

If On with the Show does well it is only to Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s benefit

…and if it doesn’t, it is to his detriment. If the RCA album tanks it’s not because he didn’t try. If On with the Show tanks, he had nothing to do with it will still reflect on him. Not right or fair.

I guess the plan at RCA/Lambert central has changed to, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Say nothing until you have a somewhat believable lie to tell.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

So Adam is a liar now because he’s being quiet about this fiasco? There are no doubt legal implications here as to why he can’t speak or perhaps he just doesn’t want to give them any legitimacy. That doesn’t equate to lying.

So is Adam still maintaining that all these songs he co-wrote and recorded were just not-for-public-consumption demos cut four years ago as a voice for hire, and then subsequently performed in public or is he going to stand pat with that whopper. I guess the plan at RCA/Lambert central has changed to, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Say nothing until you have a somewhat believable lie to tell.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Adam’s statement was regarding “Want” and other demos because the first press release read “”Lambertà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first single, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Want,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is streaming now on the Hi Fi Recordings official website, and according to the companyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s CEO John Hecker, the rest of the tracks will sound similar.” ”

No one at that point in time had any inkling that these other tracks were involved, least of all Adam.

Adam in no way lied.
Hecker would like you to believe that he did- hence the shady “memo”- but he did not.

most Adam fans have already heard some of these songs. I still think it’s pretty shady of HIFI to try and make a buck by realesing this now. I don’t really care for the song “WANT” but am anxiously awaiting his new cd!! As for TMZ posting the percentages it’s for press to prove that Adam did co-write some of the songs. So what? I believe the new stuff will blow the old stuff out of the water and I CAN”T WAIT!!!

When this first broke days ago, I publically pondered if Monte and CV were somehow involved. Monte has been around the block more than once (check out his facebook page) and if this isn’t legal, and he wants to stop it, I’m sure he would take legal action.

My opinion is this. If the album is good, then it can’t hurt Adam (as long as he gets money from it). And like I said a couple of days ago, I suspected they released WANT because neither Adam or Monte had anything to do with it. I do think this is more complicated than any of us knows because CV is involved. I guess I ask myself this, “can I really blame CV for wanting their music released on ITUNES?” This music involves more people than just Adam.

As far as the silver lining thing goes, I say this, the heavier rock will appeal to a different fanbase than some of the pop dance stuff. So who knows, it may get Adam more fans? They already have some vids to release to MTV and VH1 (Crawl Thru Fire-Zodiac Show).

If Adam is really agasint this album, then he will need to put out a statement. But I don’t think he should say anyting now because so far, it’s just been one single and the rest of the info is coming from press releases. Adam made his statement right before the new single hit. If he is going to make a statement, it will be right before the new album hits.

Also, I suspsect that HI FI waited to release the track list as it gives them one more news cycle. I suspect HI FI will leak more and more info as the album gets closer to being dropped to generate news/buzz.

Adam didn’t lie – neither “Want” or “On With the Show” was written by him. And neither of those songs bear ANY similarity musically to any of the other songs actually written by Adam. In fact, they’re the polar opposite of Adam’s style.

Hi-Fi has already admitted that 19E had NO idea what they were planning on doing. So I’m guessing Adam didn’t either. They’ve been playing their cards close to the vest from day one and have been slowly showing them one by one.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Adam is learning this information the same way we are.

Hi Mj! Can u check on this: http://www.prefixmag.com/reviews/……I read that the schedule for the release of adam’s album “on with the show” is on Dec. 29, 2009. tnx.

The news about Adam working with Sam Sparro takes away the bad taste in my mouth from this Hi-Fi crap. OMG, Black & Gold is one of my favorite songs from the past year and if Sam and Adam can work that kind of magic in a new song I will be beyond thrilled. Yay!!!

If On with the Show tanks, he had nothing to do with it will still reflect on him. Not right or fair.

It seems pretty clear now that he had more than something to do with it!

If On with the Show tanks, he had nothing to do with it will still reflect on him.

Considering the complete lack of promotion and airplay, the lack of support from Adam, and the very obvious anger/boycotting of many fans (the only ones who really know about this release), I don’t believe this is true. His RCA album will be the true test.

So Adam is a liar now because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s being quiet about this fiasco? There are no doubt legal implications here as to why he canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t speak or perhaps he just doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to give them any legitimacy. That doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t equate to lying.

Adam’s first statement was misleading, either he didn’t know the scope of what this label owned the rights to or he (or more likely the label that owns him now) did and decided to spin the story to a sympathetic Idol fan base.

Mom in the Suburbs, There’s no need for you to apologize or explain. If you felt the need to purchase Want then that is your right, and there is no betrayal involved here. Those who feel that they can’t buy the song out of loyalty to adam, are also entitled to their feeling on the matter.

Adam is a big boy with a big company behind him, I doubt he feels that his fans are obliged to fight is battles for him. If you buy his RCA album when it comes out then you will have fulfilled all that he can possibly ask of you.

You’re a Great Adam fan, the best that he could hope for, and you have absolutely nothing to explain or confess to the rest of us.

I will never find myself losing interest in Adam as a fan. This stuff has been going on for days now and if fans and non-fans still feel like talking about it, they can and should. Adam doesn’t need to explain anything to me. I just want him to focus on his new album and enjoy the upcoming tour. He is so looking forward to perform for his fans.

And, I actually like “Want” but I haven’t bought it cause I don’t feel comfortable about the way it’s being presented and marketed.

In Adams statement he only was refering to the song ‘Want’ maybe like the rest of us. He didn’t know what was going to be on this so called album.

Mom in the suburbs — you are not alone!!

Hi Fi is starting to seriously crack me up. They are getting even more desperate. lol I thought all the songs sounded like Want? Crawl Through Fire is NOTHING like want…. lol

The album seems to be a mix of songs recorded by Adam as a session singer, like Want, and some of the Citizen Vein stuff that would have been recorded as their own stuff. I have read in various places that it is not uncommon for unknown acts to have to sign their rights to the publisher , and that’s what the Citizen Vein had to do. However, they have signed their rights to the tracks, not to the writing credits, so Monte and Adam would still get royalties as songwriters.

Is anyone lying? Adam/19′s official statement is exclusively referring to the single, Want, whereas Hecker is referring to the whole album. So in terms of owning the tracks and when they were recorded, no one is lying. However, these comments from Hecker “The songs were recorded in a professional recording studio with top notch musicians and producers since the music was always meant to be released.” are dubious to say the least. Considering the production, there is no way Want is not a demo.

My main question is, if Heckler thinks Adam is so great, why didn’t he sign him when he had the chance? Its obvious they are trying to make some money, and they are hoping once the AI tour starts, people will buy this album, which is why its being released during the summer/tour.

Want is not at all in seeing distance on the hot 100 list on itunes, and it is stalled at 45 on the pop list. The more Hi Fi talks, the less I think people will buy the songs. Particularly since everyone knows now that Album has moved onto 19.

Monte isn’t saying anything either. It looks like everyone is leaving Hi Fi out by themselves.

Plus, some of these songs have been on youtube for months now so they are not new AT ALL. everyone knows Adam had his own band (Citizen’s Vein). So its obvious this is old stuff.

Sunn Telling me I’m a “great” Adam fan, that’s such a compliment from you. Thank you so much. I’m totally understanding of those who opted not to buy it. I’m glad the tolerance goes both ways! :biggrin_wp:

Why would they release à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  as a first single when they have such fantastic songs as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The Circleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Kiss and Tellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“15 Minutes of Fameà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (aka à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Pop Goes The Cameraà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ) that were in fact co-written by Adam and have the Pitman/Madonna connection as a marketing blurb?

To be honest I think they are throwing the Citizen Vein songs in at the last minute because of the backlash against them. In the beginning, Heckler stated the songs would all sound like “Want”, and we all know Citizen Vein sounds nothing like “Want”. Maybe they expected 19 to buy them out, or Adam to not distance himself from the songs? Who knows. Even Pitman isn’t speaking up about this stuff.

They already have some vids to release to MTV and VH1 (Crawl Thru Fire-Zodiac Show).

undercooked, I’m pretty sure they can’t televise any phootage of Adam without RCA’s permission. Or at least a signed release from Adam that would cover television and Satellite. I doubt they’d have that.

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first statement was misleading, either he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know the scope of what this label owned the rights to or he (or more likely the label that owns him now) did and decided to spin the story to a sympathetic Idol fan base.

Adam’s camp had no idea what was on that track list, that’s what I’m being told.

I agree with Cay too.

Much ado about nothing. Adam isn’t the first to have his early demos/work released and he will not be the last. It’s all about making money peeps. It won’t impact his post-idol career. He’ll rise or fall based on the merits of his new stuff, as it should be.

I seem to recall that when Adam was with Citizen Vein they were close to signing a record deal that eventually fell through. I’m guessing that company close to signing them was Wilshire Records. They probably recorded a number of demos and subsequently signed over the rights to Wilshire Records – with the understanding that they were JUST DEMOS. Wilshire in turn sold them to Hi-Fi and now Hi-Fi is attempting to package and sell the songs.

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first statement was misleading

Adam’s first statement was in response to “Want” and likely the title of the album “On With the Show.” Both demos. That’s likely as much as Adam knew. Hi-Fit stated in its initial release that they gave him no warning. They also stated that they knew it would be controversial.

If the above track list is correct, Adam doesn’t need to make any further statements. Everyone who cares knows about the remainder of these songs. Adam has already publicly acknowledged them. I have no problem with fans buying the album. It just made me mad that this company was potentially confusing non-Idol fans and hurting Adam’s chances by releasing music that doesn’t reflect where he plans on going in the future (well, that in addition to the skeezy way this was handled). However, for now, I think my concerns have been laid to rest. The issue may arise again when the album comes out, but for now, I really think it’s a non-issue.

unique28v
Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:24 am

Why would they release à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  as a first single when they have such fantastic songs as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The Circleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Kiss and Tellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“15 Minutes of Fameà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (aka à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Pop Goes The Cameraà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ) that were in fact co-written by Adam and have the Pitman/Madonna connection as a marketing blurb?

To be honest I think they are throwing the Citizen Vein songs in at the last minute because of the backlash against them. In the beginning, Heckler stated the songs would all sound like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , and we all know Citizen Vein sounds nothing like à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . Maybe they expected 19 to buy them out, or Adam to not distance himself from the songs? Who knows. Even Pitman isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t speaking up about this stuff.

Yes I agree. That’s the most logical explanation of this little drama.

I thought Adam said that he was just a session singer or something like that. He never said he co-wrote any of the tracks….which led to many Adam fans proclaiming that he never wrote for any of the songs.

Saga, this is standard practice for all the signed AI contestants. 19/the label want them to start with a clean slate..umm..if possible..

Not always true. Kris has some of his old songs on his myspace page.

mj
Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first statement was misleading, either he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know the scope of what this label owned the rights to or he (or more likely the label that owns him now) did and decided to spin the story to a sympathetic Idol fan base.

The label had no idea what was on that track list. Believe it. I know this for a fact.

^^^ Absolutely mj. How could they have done, if the track list wasn’t finalized until 3 days after the statement was issued?

I think Adam and 19 E should remain quiet and let Hecker continue to make a spectacle of himself.

mj Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:27 am

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first statement was misleading, either he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know the scope of what this label owned the rights to or he (or more likely the label that owns him now) did and decided to spin the story to a sympathetic Idol fan base.

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s camp had no idea what was on that track list, thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m being told.

Agreed. I think Adam is learning about the details as we are learning about the details.

MJ,

Are you going to write another article for the New York Post explaining the situation (once it’s been figured out)?

****It seems pretty clear now that he had more than something to do with it!

This only shows that Hi-Fi got a hold of songs Adam wrote which we already knew about. This does not show anything shady on Adam’s part. And words on a ‘leaked’ memo still mean nothing until the actual songs are released.

mp3 killed the record companies is really a track???? I thought it was a joke!

http://twitter.com/sam_sparro

Waiting at the studio for Adam lambert. Working on stuff for his lp. Should be a blast

I read sarcasm into this. But, you know, it is an AI contestant. I hope he was blown away. This could be an interesting collaboration. Looking forward is healthy!

Tony Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:30 am

I thought Adam said that he was just a session singer or something like that. He never said he co-wrote any of the tracksà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.which led to many Adam fans proclaiming that he never wrote for any of the songs.

Well, if what is being said above is true, Adam (and his team) did the trail lawyer equivalent of making their opening statement to the jury (us) without knowing what the evidence or even the charges were. It would appear that Hi Fi just kind of gamed/goaded them into responding (truthfully) in such a way that could make them look deceptive after the cards were on the table. It’s actually a good way to get buzz with no budget.

The LA Time article to go with the videos

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/americanidoltracker/2009/06/video-hanging-with-the-idols-at-tour-rehearsal.html

LisaE Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:42 am

http://twitter.com/sam_sparro

Waiting at the studio for Adam lambert. Working on stuff for his lp. Should be a blast

I read sarcasm into this. But, you know, it is an AI contestant. I hope he was blown away. This could be an interesting collaboration. Looking forward is healthy!

Well, if you read Sparro’s bio on his web site, he’s been in LA and a part of the same underground scene that Adam has been a part of for a while. I wouldn’t be surprised if they knew each other before this.

And why would he be sarcastic? If he wasn’t excited about working with Adam, he probably wouldn’t have Twittered about it.

And why would he be sarcastic. If he wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t excited about working with Adam, he probably wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have Twittered about it.

Exactly. I’ll take it a step further, if he wasn’t excited about working with Adam and didn’t want to, I seriously doubt there would have been a writing session last night. lol

Zombini Jun 25th, 2009 at 10:15 am

AussieFan, it is very possible that Adam and the CV band members have signed their rights on the recordings (not the songwriting) away. It is something that new artists who are desperate to get their name out there might sign for.

Very good reasoning. This sort of stuff happens all the time. Musicians will sign away rights to the recording companies which in turn sell them to other people when they need an influx of cash. Michael Jackson has owned the rights to most of The Beatles songs and Elvis Presley’s for a long time (his buying on the sly cost him Paul McCartney’s friendship), as well as owning Eminem’s “Without Me” and “The Real Slim Shady,” Michael Jackson now owns the rights to songs by Shakira, Beck, and Bjork (these last 4 artists music rights were bought in 2007).

I love the speculation about that which we know so little. Who knows, Maybe Adam went on AI with the album on hold because Hi-Fi encouraged him to do so for the publicity. I personally don’t care, I love Adam’s voice and everything I have heard him sing and I think he is an amazing show man and artist. The press is good. That his music before AI is different than what he did on AI and is intending to do on his album with RCA is good too. It shows that Adam is an evolving artist and we can anticipate new surprises from an artist who clearly is not a one trick pony. Also, ‘Want’ may not be lyrically as good as some of the other things Adam has recorded but, Adam transforms them into an amazingly moving performance.

I thought Adam said that he was just a session singer or something like that. He never said he co-wrote any of the tracksà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.which led to many Adam fans proclaiming that he never wrote for any of the songs.

That very question is addressed at least three times in the posts immediately preceding yours.
He was only talking about “Want”.

I meant to say “Adam transforms the song into an amazingly moving performance.”

mp3 killed the record companies is really a track???? I thought it was a joke!

Me too! And like Kirsten, the irony has me doubled over LOL! This is rich.

zomg, if we’re going to have all of this underhanded maneuvering, why it can’t be about a lambert sex tape? that i would pay for, whether adam receives a cut or not.

jk.

maybe.

the thing i hate about this is there are going to be too many people thinking adam lied about this, and that simply isn’t true.

i’m wondering how many calls adam’s put in to pittman asking him, wtf?

still boycotting hi fi. anyway, i already have most of those songs.

sorry repeat

It’s strange how many people seem to be taking this “leaked” track list as an absolute truth. It may be real, but I think there’s a good possibility that it isn’t. Why leak it to TMZ instead of just publishing it? Suspicious. “Leak” means they can deny it if turns out to be false since it’s not something that HiFi has officially claimed to be true.

the thing i hate about this is there are going to be too many people thinking adam lied about this, and that simply isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t true.

I don’t think so. The majority of people don’t even know about this. They will go on itunes in about a month after seeing Adam perform on the tour and see a bunch of new songs they may or maybe not dowload depending on their musical tastes.

EW and virtually none of the entertainment sites are covering it anymore with the exception of Rollingstone, and they always include the disclaimer that Adam doesn’t want this old material released. Hi Fi is releasing new statements every day to keep it in the news. Once the tour starts, its going to be hard to focus on this because Adam’s interviews will include discussion about his upcoming album with 19.

noticed the circle (with other songs) still on Adam lambert citizen vein myspace but kiss and tell no longer on Fonzerelli’s site. Wouldn’t these songs have been taken off the myspace page if HIFI has the rights?

Just another observation that the “leak” of the “memo” came a night before Idols big tour press conference today.

Waiting at the studio for Adam lambert. Working on stuff for his lp. Should be a blast

I read sarcasm into this. But, you know, it is an AI contestant.

Adam is hot, hot, hot these days. He is the talk of the industry. He is the IT guy today in the music industry. Anyone involved with Adam’s debut album should be excited to be part of this.

I want to hear what MONTE PITTMAN has to say about this. Adam’s hands might be tied in this situation, but I doubt Monte’s are. Maybe he can shed more light on the situation that Adam can’t.

I bet we’ll get some new quotes from Adam regarding this issue via the press tour today! Also, I hate HiFi for making Adam look like a liar. They’re probably pissed that he and 19 aren’t playing their back and forth game, or making them any offers to stop the release.

Oh man, my head is spinning.
I am now officially flummoxed by this whole thing.

But here is what my first gut reaction was to the TMZ report of the track list:
OMFG, I LOVE SOME OF THOSE SONGS!!!!! COOL! FABULOUS! GREAT! WOW! WHEEEEEEE!!! :clap_tb: :jittery_tb: :wub_tb:

Then:

TMZ????? What the …

Then:
What the hell does this all mean?

OK, I did buy Want. I do want to see it zip up the charts, no matter my mild feeling of betrayal of my Adam’s family. I want Adam to show that even a piece of dreck like Want (though I no longer consider it as drekky) with no promotion or support by Adam and with very vocal misgivings by his most ardent fans over the way this has been marketed, could STILL top the charts, because he is that good.

If some of these songs, most notably 15 Minutes of Fame (which most of us know as Pop Goes the Camera), Kiss and Tell and Crawl Through Fire, are on this album then it should be heard by more than just us fantards who lurk online.

Because among my other reactions is this:
Business is business, and in the entertainment industry, sometimes it is ugly and sleazy. But like a toothless hooker with gout, it gets the job done.

Just another observation that the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“leakà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  of the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“memoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  came a night before Idols big tour press conference today.

I hope Adam remembered to bring his filter to work with him today.

Yeah, this dribble drabble of info wreaks of free promo maneuvering by HiFi to keep the buzz in the press. Yawn.

I suspect Adam had very little, if any, idea what tracks would be a part of any release. He addressed the one sure release, “Want.” If he met with HiFi, as claimed, I assume he heard that song, and others like it, as part of an attempt to sell those to Adam/19 potentially for his new album, or to keep them in the vault so to speak. If he heard the CV work, he probably assumed those would be released on a Citizen Vein album, as they are, er, Citizen Vein songs! (Reminds me of Cook’s work with Axium, and how those remained on the market because the band had rights instead of/in addition to Cook.) I know it never occurred to ME that HiFi would even have rights to CV work, much less release it under Adam Lambert’s name…. Even if he could have assumed, since he apparently had no remaining rights in the work, who cares. He had no apparent rights in the work!

But, anywho… Much ado. I’m getting mildly irritated by the errant breadcrumb offerings provided by Heckler and crowd. Overall though, I’m bored with the story.

I sincerely feel that Hifi and all their tongue bathing of Adam is soooo cheap and desperate. I always look to the actions. And let’s face it folks…it is really shitty that they are releasing this before Adam has the opportunity to release his own album on the legs of his Idol success. It really cheapens anything, any politically correct, ‘we’re just a wittle bitty Indie label’ statement that Hifi has. They should wait until after Adam releases his own record. Then…just like Analog Heart…the public will eat it up anyway! The timing of it all is just bad.

I bet weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll get some new quotes from Adam regarding this issue via the press tour today! Also, I hate HiFi for making Adam look like a liar. Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re probably pissed that he and 19 arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t playing their back and forth game, or making them any offers to stop the release.

I doubt that. Even Adam’s first statement has been reported to be from 19 with Adam’s name attached to it. I bet Adam will say he is taking the Fifth. I think everyone connected to 19 is ordered to be mum. Seacrest hasn’t tweeted one thing after that first leak, and you know him, he feels he has to scoop everyone.

How do they do the press tour? Do they split up and go on tv shows?

This whole thing is just getting annoying. They should just release the “album” and get it over with.

Realistically speaking, it’s probably not going to sell that well no matter how many press releases they put out. I think they’re expecting it to sell millions because of the amount of viewers for AI. For the most part, people now know that it’s old material. For the cd buyer, why would they waste their money on old material. As for me, I’m an Adam fan (not a die-hard type) but I would’t want to spend my money on old stuff when I can just wait a few more months for something that Adam is happy with. There are going to be the Adam fans that will buy anything of his but that’s more likely in the thousands rather than hundreds of thousands like Hifi is thinking- and a lot of them are boycotting this!

Nothing brilliant, but nothing an à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  contender should be ashamed off – unless 19 Entertainment is telling you to be ashamed for image purposes.

Take-home message: If youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re a Lambert fanatic, head to iTunes to sample the track. No need to wait for 19 Entertainment to release the silver medalistà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“officialà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  debut. This quick fix will sate your Adam addiction.

Well I’m just going to have to respectfully disagree with this. “Want” is awful and not even Adam’s vocals are going to make me buy it. OTOH, if one of the other songs released is good, then I just may spring the 99 cents for it (something tells me they won’t be pricing them at $1.29!) because I always purchase my music unless the music isn’t available for sale.

I love Adam and bought everything he produced on Idol (even his underwhelming version of No Boundaries), but I’m not one to download YouTube audio and listen to it on my iPod. And I honestly couldn’t care less what other “Adam fans” think about my decisions one way or the other.

Adam had a business relationship with these Hi Fi people, and shrewd businessmen that they are, they’re trying to capitalize on it. I don’t forsee any of them receiving any Humanitarian of the Year awards, but the entertainment industry is not for the faint of heart. Adam Lambert clearly knows that, and I kind of doubt he’s suprised by any of this.

And unless an artist comes out and requests I NOT buy his music or attend his concerts, I’m going to assume he’s okay with it.

Adam might have been inexperienced or desperate enough to sign all of his rights away on those songs… but the rest of the guys in Citizen Vein are quite experienced in the business and doing relatively well. Monte Pittman (who was the other main guy in CV and Adam’s main pre-Idol song-writing collaborator) has released records with “Prong” and has played for Madonna for years. Tommy Victor (who was credited in one song on TMZ’s list) has recorded with “Prong” and “Ministry”. Steve Sidelnyk also plays for Madonna. Shouldn’t these guys also have rights to the CV stuff? They certainly aren’t newcomers in the business.

I’m still not believing any track list until the album is on sale. TMZ leak by HiFi? It doesn’t sound exactly trustworthy.

“I hope Adam remembered to bring his filter to work with him today”

Hmmm, we can only hope but I am afraid he doesn’t have any filter to begin with. Can’t bring what you don’t have! Well, maybe his management will tap in at some point and give him advices on what to and what not to say

Well, if these are the songs, I’ll be buying the album. And buying it legally. If I’m going to be listening to these, I at least want to help out with getting this album on the charts. Don’t want to be hypocritical by complaining about HiFi here but secretly listening to their album illegally. (I bought Want as well for same reason.) Love Adam !!

I’m with you, Anne03!

******Well, if these are the songs, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be buying the album. And buying it legally. If Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m going to be listening to these, I at least want to help out with getting this album on the charts. Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to be hypocritical by complaining about HiFi here but secretly listening to their album illegally. (I bought Want as well for same reason.) Love Adam !!

I agree with this although I have not purchased ‘Want’ but I would buy the full album if those songs listed are on it.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been following press and magazine blogs today trying to see reaction to the TMZ à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹leaked memoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  story. When I went on Rolling Stoneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦OMFG I could swear that over there is Hecker himself masked as Reggie, Renee and one other dude. The posts are so like HiFi would just delegate someone to praise their album. SO freaky!!!
:wallbash_tb:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/06/25/memo-indicates-adam-lambert-co-wrote-on-with-the-show/

We’re still Inside Baseball. HiFi trying to get the mainstream to care. Because free media is their only promotional plan. And they’re trying to punch some cracks in the game’s big power player that no one knew existed until now: The Internet Coalesced Fanbase. Tens of thousands of fans not buying, on purpose, was unexpected. Having them on the ramparts yelling: “Don’t buy that junk” is, as noted earlier, a new move in consumerism.

Not understanding this new power group, HiFi still needs to budge them. “Look, Adam makes money!” Thinking that’ll please and sway fans. Leak some writer splits. Presto, slide to other internet sleaze slot: TMZ. Who’s motto is: if it makes page hits, do it. (Adding US Weekly, and their number seeking “exclusive”.) Gets a little more mainstream replay. But to fanbase, HiFi brand already part of the story. And not in a good way. Further, it’s Tour Twitterama? Fanbase otherwise occupied.

Other HiFi attempts at fanbase cracking, while hoping to turn this into some mainstream story, are the “Adam’s a liar” meme. With Heckler’s “David Goliath” angle. Their hopes may be that the info hungry fans will follow the beckoning lures of a semi-mystery to discuss it. (Do not rule out sock puppets on the forums, not this one, but the more colorful ones, pushing the “Adam lied” and “he has to clarify” theme.)

But as others have noted, calling their hero a liar not really a proven way to get devotees to love your label and buy your product. So the most they can hope from that feint, is the fanbase (possibly enhanced by puppet plants) will twitter assault some statement from RCA or Adam. Which will get plenty mainstream attention. And free PR starts again.

Highly unlikely, period, but especially when they’re rolling out all day Tour push. Unless Monte Pittman decides to commit career-ending suicide waging war on his friend who could still use him on all his albums for the next decade, including all those B-side co-writer royalty possibilities, and that may be what all those Madonna shout-outs were reminding, a statement ain’t gonna come.

Does any of this matter to most of the music buying public? No. But the maybe even 15, to who knows could be 30, percent of potential Lambert purchasers to whom it matters deeply are the people who make you a star. Who drive the demand by playing it over and over for their friends. And for HiFi, move it up the iTunes list fast enough for you to get funding to release the next one.

We’re still back to something changed from “Want” to now. Because:

- If you own clean rights to Kiss and Tell, you mortgage your mother’s house, do a decent remix with a promotable producer, take the videos off YouTube, and either slap it on iTunes or get paid not to. It’s really only pale Paula Abdul, not the real Sam Sparro, but it’s exercise tape peppy, with global summer dance club potential. And the scenario would have worked: Fluff Perez into “World Premiering”, say Madonna ten times, Ryan re-tweets. Money comes. Maybe there is a Brazen/Fonzarelli glitch in that.

- “Want” is drekky demo. Fans even recognize that. So they can live without it and support their guy at same time. Adam can rightly disavow, fans rally. K&T, while by no means a great song, harder to do all that.

Something changed. Prefixmag.com Dec 29 issue date post could be an accounting year end thing, or some coded hint in the bargaining. Like pay enough, we’ll hold off with these new stuff. Release date could very well be what’s being negotiated now.

Citizen Vein isn’t world class rock. Without Adam it’s dime-a-dozen, with some decent singing and guitar, but going nowhere. Yet, it has no essential Adam Lambert aspect to it. His voice is not the showcase. And it’s not family friendly. Maybe that’s part of the HiFi “pay me off” threat. Or RCA may be delighted it’s out there continuing to street cred away the Idol cutesy.

The Pittman silence points to trying not to hurt Adam and everyone but we popcorn munchers knows what’s going on. The irony being that we popcorn munchers now have new clout. Such a service the fanbase did in the not buying Want. Huge impact. Defanged the story’s potential entirely. Which kept HiFi from getting the only publicity it could afford: You.

Now they’re trying to rile you up to get RCA to misstep. Relax. Enjoy Tour Day. if you want to get upset about somthing try Iran or Mark Sanford. Adam’s fine. Talented, shining, and still a very kind and nice man. In a cesspool, scum laced business.

Best scenario for Adam: this continues to stay Inside Baseball. Mainstream media yawns as Want fades. Coalesced Fanbase already have all have this CV stuff for free anyway. No body cares. And one of these new tracks RCA is spending so much money with name brand headliners to create is so unstoppable, they have to release it soon. And if on Dec 29, Adam’s old friends make a little cash, with or without On With the Show release, or Monte Pittman now featured on guitar in Adam’s tour band, fine.

******à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I hope Adam remembered to bring his filter to work with him todayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

I love that he is unfiltered, he is so open, that’s why I believe he has no shady doings in this HI-FI mess. I know that will change in order to protect himself from media vultures.

Sunn
Why would they release à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  as a first single when they have such fantastic songs as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The Circleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Kiss and Tellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“15 Minutes of Fameà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (aka à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Pop Goes The Cameraà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ) that were in fact co-written by Adam and have the Pitman/Madonna connection as a marketing blurb?
It seems incredibly stupid to me.
Something is fishy in the state of Hecker. Did they not have the rightà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s until now? Is this a pressuring ploy to force RCA to buy? Or Adam to market?
I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand.

My thoughts exactly!! WTF?!?!?! The three songs that you mentioned are all waaaay better than “Want”. The really super odd thing IMO is that the two songs that they mentioned before this list came out are *the only ones* that don’t have Adam as co-writer (and one of these non-Adam songs also being the name of the ‘album’). I’m shaking my head and wondering what the hell kind of game these guys are playing, because something just does not add up.
Fishy.Strange.Odd.Weird.Wonky.Effed-Up.

Oh and Kirsten – I LOVED your interpretation of the songs! That was great.

I am disappointed if Adam doesn’t have the rights to Pop Goes the Camera and Kiss and Tell (Fonzerilli mix). I can’t believe that he would sell the rights to anyone.

Those two songs were my favorite of his PreIdol stuff and sounded relevant to the current music scene.

I want Adam make money off of them since I’ve been under the impression that they were self produced and co-written by him. They shouldn’t be released for free downloads. Why can’t Adam “sell” them to 19E or however that works? Doesn’t 19E want them?

Since I’ve already downloaded all of the stuff Adam had out there during idol I don’t care a swat about any of this….and I truly don’t think that a lot of other people do either. It’s obvious this music is pre-idol, without the benefit of a recording company that wanted to throw big bucks into the mix during the mix and that a recording company owned by a restauranteur bought all the old stuff and is trying to sell it to the highest bidder…whether that be fans or someone else.

Personally, I’m done with this part of the soap opera, time to move onto another story line. I’ll relish the tour, wait with baited breath for all the silly fan videos, and anticipate the “new” album and will love figuring out what Adam is recording and with whom. I’m not going to be buying anything until it is being marketed and endorsed by the post idol Adam.

I can’t say, nor do I really care what the rest of the 300 million other US redsidents do. It will only take 1% of them to buy Adam’s “real” debut album to make him a raving success. That is all I am waiting for. All the rest of this is just garbage to be thrown out with today’s coffee grounds.

I agree with everything you said FifthHouseSun

FifthHouseSun you are awesome! That summary of what has been going on is great and I tend to agree with your way of thinking. As I’ve said before, I am going to let Adam and his people deal with this as I’m sure they know more of what’s going on and what’s best for him than I do. Excited for lots of fun press today. Will be checking MJ’s and Twitter often (maybe too often).

FifthHouseSun, your insights on this matter in the past few days and across related threads are FULL OF WIN.

… Never a dull second in Adamland …

Okay, when I read this line in the RS article linked above, it jumped right out at me:

“The memo, typed on Music Publishers Company of America paper, was sent from John Titta to John Hecker…”

Who the HELL types memos on letterhead anymore? I haven’t seen a corporate America memo since the advent of email. Then again, if we did that, we couldn’t leave them lying around for TMZ to sweep up, now could we? And we would have an e-trail to whomever “leaked” it.

Okay à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ anyone else wanna marry FifthHouseSun?

YES!

The one and only thing that bothers me about this, is the new headline that Perez Hilton posted on this matter; after reading the assumptions that people are making, maybe he does need to release a statement.

FifthHouseSun–That was the most interesting post I’ve read in a long time. So much so, I’m going back to read it again. Thanks.

Here I go…is it just me or is it the crazy nutty 13 year olds who put words in Adam’s mouth? I really don’t recall him saying anything about anything other than Want, and he didn’t write it. OK. A lot of people like it and Boston Globe critic gave it a B-. The only people out there making Adam “look bad” are the nutties who have taken his (RCA/19) statement and found all kinds of words in there that i cannot find…

Come on….this could have been such a non-issue if people just bought his early stuff and said Hey, some Adam stuff to hold me over until the REAL DEAL comes out.

I am worn out over the whole mess.

@FifthHouseSun, you do totally rule! And MJ, so do you (can’t figure when you ever sleep, though).

Come onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.this could have been such a non-issue if people just bought his early stuff and said Hey, some Adam stuff to hold me over until the REAL DEAL comes out.

Yes, but it was presented as Adam’s ‘first’ single. Scummy to say the least, with the potential to dilute the excitement over his first real single. No way I can support that.

Maybe I don’t really recall but wasn’t it PEREZ HILTON who made that statement about it being his worldwide debut single? Geez. But yes, HI FI made a huge mistake when they released it the way they did. No doubt.

hwc:

It a pretty good guess that the people behind this so-called album have no intention of trying to make money selling an album on iTunes or distributing it in any way. They are, most likely, looking for a quick cash settlement from 19E. Stick a song on iTunes. Write a few press releases. Pocket a quick hundred grand. Not a bad dayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s work.

I agree. And I don’t think that there will be an album. They’ll release another demo that they actually own, “On with the Show”, and cross their fingers that they’ll reach a some kind of settlement with RCA about the rest. If there is a risk of a legal battle, I don’t think that they’ll go for it, but just collect the cash from the iTunes sales of their two demos.

‘scuse me, the Boston Herald.

http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/music/reviews/view/20090625adam_lambert/srvc=home&position=also

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/artic…-report_1107726

QUOTE
Meanwhile, it would appear that TMZ itself has been caught up in its own rush to judgment over the claim by American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert that he wrote none of the songs on a pre- Idol album due to be released this summer. “That just isn’t true,” TMZ said in an article today, citing what it said was an “internal memo” from Lambert’s record company “which clearly lists Lambert as the co-writer on nine of the 11 tracks on the album.” However, the memo, reproduced on the site, “clearly lists” only “publishing splits.” It is a common practice in the music industry for performers — and sometimes record producers and even agents and managers — to share publishing royalties with songwriters. Even song writing credits are often fudged, as is well known in the case of the Beatles tunes credited to “John Lennon and Paul McCartney” that were written individually by one or the other.

Double post…

Yes, would have been all over if fans were just happy some old stuff was out, and didn’t do the whole all high and mighty act. Now we have Perez and others calling him a liar and some bad comments. Some see him as ungrateful to the people he used to work for. Adam never made it some big issue, fans did. WiFi took a risk and paid for work from Adam yrs ago. All companies wait for the right moment, and Adam himself says you have to do something to get a following. To complain about WiFi now is a bit ungrateful to many people. All Adam said was that Want was an old demo and didn’t reflect the current sound he was going for. Sounds to me he was just getting that info out.

Then the Claymates, I mean Adam fans, made it into some boycott of the bad company who didn’t consider Adam’s feelings first, and didn’t act solely (shock – it’s a business and other people’s welfare is at stake too) in the best interest of Adam’s career. Now, it’s a story. Now, Adam is the one on some egotistical pedestal that has left his “old people” behind.

This is also why I hate 19. Fantasia left 19 because terrible PR they did for her. When she was sick and missed some Broadway dates, 19 failed to act preemptively and explain the situation. The press and gossip got out in front and suddenly she was purposely missing performances. It hurt Fantasia’s rep and she was furious and got out her contract. 19 should have put out a statement clearing this up, and Adam should have said how grateful he was that Wilshire gave him work when no one did, and hoped fans loved his old work but realize that his new sound will be different and that he’s taking a different approach to writing now. Fans should have made being a fan of Adam’s fun and light.

Okay, when I read this line in the RS article linked above, it jumped right out at me:

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The memo, typed on Music Publishers Company of America paper, was sent from John Titta to John Heckerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Who the HELL types memos on letterhead anymore? I havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seen a corporate America memo since the advent of email. Then again, if we did that, we couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t leave them lying around for TMZ to sweep up, now could we? And we would have an e-trail to whomever à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“leakedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  it.

And the memo is dated 6/23/09 and yet they are trying to spin it to say that the statement that Adam made about a specific single, “Want”, on 6/19 was him lying….clearly this is all desperate damage control at this point, they miscalculated and did not expect the fan backlash as FifthHouseSun so eloquently pointed out. I’m over HiFi and Heckler.

I am, however, filled with rage at Perez calling Adam a liar…dude, you were the one that started this whole fucking mess with your “new single debut”.

FifthHouseSun FTW!

Perez is just trying to deflect the heat off himself. LOL

kirsten The Circle – Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s kind of like the circle of life. When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass. And so we are all connnected in the great Circle of Life. Right now, your a$$ is grass and we are grazing.

ROFL

I like all kinds of music, most in the pop rock vein, but I am also a big Willie Nelson fan. One of the greatest all time country hits is Crazy, made famous by the immortal Patsy Cline. If you are old enough to know this song, you know that it was huge. Guess who wrote it? None other than Willie Nelson who sold his rights to it away for $26.00 (of course this was a long time ago!) and when asked later if he regretted it , Willie said no, at the time it bought a sack of groceries (in other words, he needed the money!).

Adam sold, gave away, whatever some pre-Idol music, it happens all the time. Personally, I wouldn’t feel guilty if I bought any of his pre-Idol stuff, but on the other hand, I won’t buy music I don’t care for just because its sung by Adam, so I’m still on the fence.

Adam should have said how grateful he was that Wilshire gave him work when no one did, and hoped fans loved his old work

As tends to be the case over and over again in this twisted society that we live in the Victim is now being characterized as the perpetrator! I just don’t feel that Adam needs to be saying anything and he definitely does not need to be condoning the actions of others by explaining what he did years ago.

Man I’ve had enough jobs where I have been respectful to my employers while they were paying me, but once I was gone and no longer needing them for my livelihood I can choose to praise them, bash them, or ignore them. I owe them nothing anymore, especially if they are “using” work I did for them and are not being respectful to me in turn.

FifthHouseSun
….a book…

The people “shouting from the ramparts”, or new power group as you put it is less than Inside Baseball it is the pull out scratch n’ sniff deodorant advertisement between pages 37 & 38 of Inside Baseball. I am always amazed at how much of a ‘tail wagging the dog’ influence that Internet boards/blogs/chatroom participants believe they possess.

These pre-Idol Lambert songs are destined to wither on the vine because they have no money behind them and never will. The only reason Idol albums sell, even with the whole promotional campaign that is American Idol and the Idols Live tour, is because they are payola played until the pop-aware consumer cries “UNCLE!” and buys it. Idol contestants , without the label pushing the songs, sell surprisingly little, irrespective of how good the music is. Idol has Teflon coat tails that are well greased.

So unless some major media outlet (and it only need be one) decides that this might be an interesting story, a sexy story, and decides to run with it (I guess it could happen, stranger things have) this whole issue amounts to just about, well, nothing. I hope Hi Fi didn’t pay too much for that stuff because the odds against this secret-album-of Adam-Lambert play actually working are very, very high. The passivity of RCA/19E really steals the only potentially sexy angle to this story, namely, “big money” suppressing the little guy.

I am, however, filled with rage at Perez calling Adam a liarà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦dude, you were the one that started this whole fucking mess with your à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“new single debutà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

Perez wouldn’t know the truth if it punched him in the face. *cough*

This memo, dated June 23, is weird to me. Publishing splits don’t seem to mean the same thing as co-authorship. Also as other posters have already asked, a lot of the songs they claim to have are cult favorites of Lambert fans so if you had those why would you release Want, which is obviously the product of session singing?

I’m pretty annoyed at the way Hi Fi keeps dragging Adam around in this. They’ve mishandled this 100 times over.

According to Fox Chicago, Adam doesn’t want the fans to buy the HiFi album
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/good_day/david_videos/adam_lambert_album_david_deal_of_the_day

this is getting really old. Once all the press tour interviews start popping up, this hi-fi story will go away and then they’re just going to start leaking something else out or issuing yet another press release.. blah blah…

i do agree that it would have been better if they presented it as adam’s old stuff instead of adam’s new album. they got greedy by trying to say it’s new but all they got was a backlash.

as for perez, i can’t take anyone seriously that would tape themselves crying.

I haven’t read the Perez stuff (can’t bring myself to add one more click to his site), but he is far from being a bastion of credibility these days. The more he bleats, the more ridiculous he sounds. Yes, I know he has readers, but many of those are other gossip bloggers/entertainment reporters that repeat his stuff while mocking him at the same time.

He’d probably be detrimental if he were in Adam’s camp right now. But yes, much of this crap began with him.

“AC” Couldn’t agree with you more!

According to Fox Chicago, Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want the fans to buy the HiFi album

I am glad they are reporting this story in this way. They aren’t falling for Hi Fi’s hype

The passivity of RCA/19E really steals the only potentially sexy angle to this story, namely, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“big moneyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  suppressing the little guy.

Sooooooooo true!!!!

Cay, I think we are just too close to the situation that it seems bigger than it is. I have not heard anything negative toward Adam regarding this on any of the entertainment news channels – hopefully we won’t. If people look closely instead of sensationalizing, ie PH, they will see that Hecker is a sleaze and Adam again is not hiding or denying anything. It was already reported months ago he wrote with Monti Pittman and Crawl Through the Fire was one of those songs. Adam probably was only referring to the song ‘Want’ in his statement. I doubt he would deny the CV songs, he’s very proud of his writings with Pittman.

AC – I agree with you.

According to Fox Chicago, Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want the fans to buy the HiFi album

I can’t listen to it at work. Do they have an interview with Adam about this? Or are they interpretting Adam’s first press release?

Also I agree with the posters that stated that Adam should be proud of his CV stuff. I do think Adam’s initial statement was about WANT.

In regards to my suggestion that Adam’s “CRAWL THRU FIRE” being a vid that could be released to MTV, I understand there are legalities to that. I suspect that the folks who run the Zodiac show have the rights to that video? Maybe someone else knows how this works? If they do, I would suspect they might be willing to sell it. Adam looks great, the song is great, so who knows. This is also great promotion for the Zodiac show. Just a thought.

If all of these songs mentioned above are on the album and Adam isn’t asking his fans to boycott it, then I will purchase it if I like it. I don’t want to download it illegally.

Now MTV is on the “He Lied” train as well.

This is getting much too ugly for my taste.
I hate when words get twisted and spun to serve a purpose.

So when exactly would it be an appropriate time for Adam to again make a statement or should he just let the media think and call him a liar?

OK, I did buy Want. I do want to see it zip up the charts

Well, ravengirl……Someone (?) posted a couple of days ago that Want was #563 when it charted on Tuesday. Want is now #44 on both the iTunes Pop Top 100 and Top 100 right now! (sometimes these charts confuse me tho!)

According to Fox Chicago, Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want the fans to buy the HiFi album

I thought that was very obvious from Adam’s statement.

Now MTV is on the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“He Liedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  train as well.

This is getting much too ugly for my taste.
I hate when words get twisted and spun to serve a purpose.

Well, at least the comments on the site point out the article’s flawed reasoning.

I hope he does make another statement soon with all this liar crap being thrown around. I agree with everyone that his first statement was in response to Want and that neither he nor the label knew what tracks were going to be released. Ugh. I would just like to say, screw you HiFi for making all this happen to earn a quick buck. What undeserved ugliness for such a beautiful person with other-worldly talent. I can only hope that the perceived drama is overblown on the internet and most of this doesn’t reach the “real world”.

I just ask myself the question….what do I believe, and what has really been said by the parties involved. The rest of this is just the typical media trash that every “celebrity” has to go through at one time or another.

And if I have heard enough of the story to make a decision, I would think most other people out in internetville have to. For me to agonize over the “truthfulness” of this is like trying to put out a raging fire with a water bottle. Eventually it will just burn out.

Bye bye Adam.

Sorry, to say I think Adam is an outstanding talent is an understatement but this is a bridge too far. Hi Fi / Wilshire (through bitterness, jealousy, resentment, greed and regret I would say) have done what all the personal revelations in the world would have failed to do and cut Adam’s career prospects back to what they were six months ago.

It’s a shame because we will have been denied a possible superstar. 19/RCA are not going to continue to back him after sales of his official album and singles take the dip that the reaction to this story would suggest and he will just become another ex-Idol contestant struggling to find another deal and even if he were to get one sooner or later, his credibility (so rare for a talent show contestant) will have been shot.

It pains me to say that because I think Adam has more talent in his nail polish than just about anyone who has emerged for a long time but I speak out of several years’ experience in the industry and market.

I hope he finds success in some form eventually. It’s a shame about what might have been.

Congratulations, Hecker! You got your piece.

Re: Chicago newsman…?

Since Adam has put out one statement, ONE statement, written for him by R19, do you think the television guy in Chicago has the INSIDE TRACK? lol What he has done, is what every journalist has done that has read that ONE statement…he put his “journalistic” spin to it. (Or he has been reading the boycott reviews on iTunes by the 13 year olds.)

One last point, probably already pointed out somewhere in this sea of brainstorming, is this: Adam Lambert will never throw Monte Pittman under the bus. One thing I have noticed about Adam is that he always throws accolades toward the people around him, the cosmetic gal, the band, and especially he has mentioned Monte is many many interviews. If Monte Pitman ends up on this album, which I suspect he will, Adam will not diss this album and tell people not to buy it.

I got what Adam was trying to say: that he now has the world by the tail and he has the best producers in the world and his New Stuff is gonna shock the world. That’s basically what I got from Adam.

I can only hope that the perceived drama is overblown on the internet and most of this doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t reach the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“real worldà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

Sorry but it has, big time.

I think it a bit too early to honestly close the lid on his career. I sincerely doubt this event will be remembered in a few months. Certainly not by the majority of music buyers.

Dear Belle….

:rolleyes_tb: :lol_tb:

Hands down the most ridiculous hyperbole I’ve EVER read on this blog.

Please stop over reacting people this is not going to affect his career. This will all be over in a week. The tour will have started and everyone will be focusing on that instead and this situation will be old news and I also speak as someone involved in the industry.

GeminiDolly
Jun 25th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
So when exactly would it be an appropriate time for Adam to again make a statement or should he just let the media think and call him a liar?

Adam has already made his statement. The more he comments on this, the more it’s going to escalate into something even more nasty. I do agree that his management should issue a very strong statement tho. JMO :furious_tb:

GeminiDolly
Jun 25th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
So when exactly would it be an appropriate time for Adam to again make a statement or should he just let the media think and call him a liar?

Making a statement will only serve to attract more attention to the subject. No one cares about the nitty gritty of this issue except us cyber fans. Those of us who love him believe him statement or not. Those of us who don’t love him will never be convince not even by a thousand statement. The casual world outside this bubble doesn’t know or care.

So I say don’t NO statement and let HIFI ride it’s puny little PR wave.

ETA:

Want is now #44 on both the iTunes Pop Top 100 and Top 100 right now! (sometimes these charts confuse me tho!)

It’s not on ITunes 100 at all! It’s 44 on the Itunes POP 100.

Well, at least the comments on the site point out the articleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s flawed reasoning.

But MTV are powerful in their influence regardless of comments.

The story will get much more press if Adam makes a comment. That’s what Hecker wants, hence all the baiting. There’s no reason for Adam/RCA to make a statement at all. This will all go away much sooner if it’s just Hecker talking and “leaking” some silly memos.

RCA/Adam can afford to act like the whole issue is beneath them, because it sort of is. I don’t really see this how this issue could affect the sales of Adam’s upcoming single and album, so why would they bother to do anything?

Um, Belle, Adam’s career will be nonexistent only if a meteor obliterates the Earth in the next couple of months. Otherwise, don’t even sweat it.

anna in vegas – ‘Want’ is currently #156 on iTunes overall. I haven’t been tracking it obsessively but I’ve been checking on it along with Brooke’s new one, and I believe it peaked yesterday at #148. If you are seeing it at #44 you must be looking at the iTunes Pop feed, which really isn’t going to give you an idea of how the track is selling relative to the rest of iTunes. It’s not doing too badly for a track with no airplay support, but considering the level of publicity this has gotten it is hardly burning up the charts.

I hate when words get twisted and spun to serve a purpose.

Thats what journalism is in 2009…. lol

Hi Belle….

I got the joke. Not sure everyone did though.

Belle
Jun 25th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Well, at least the comments on the site point out the articleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s flawed reasoning.

But MTV are powerful in their influence regardless of comments.

I think we’re all blowing this way out of proportion. How many of us knew about Christina Aguillera’s old album coming out and the court case and settlement that followed? When it happened to Christina she was a star already and would have garnered far more press than Adam. yet I don’t anyone who knew about it, I didn’t know about it and I’ve a fan of hers since her Disney days.

Most people wont know or care how their album was made or who wrote the songs. This is way to inside baseball for the casual fan that makes up the majority of sales.

This will not affect his Debut. If anything it might garner him new fans. I think this will blow over and predictions of Adam’s demise (made about 3 times a week on this board since the idol final by the way) are wholly exaggerated and laughably premature.

But MTV are powerful in their influence regardless of comments.

Funny! This about a TV station that doesn’t even play music anymore because nobody watches it. And the “reality” trash they spew out is directly aimed at the “under achiever sect”. And, IMHO I wouldn’t rate their “blog” as news….it’s about on the same par with TMZ and PH and shares about the same amount of cred…besides, they are always late to the party!

what exactly does Heckler want from Adam?. cos this has gone on long enough. everyday there’s something new from them. do they want him to endorse it , promote it , what?. Adam / 19 have tried to ignore it, they didn’t fight it obviously. people are buying want even if it’s a small no. so why not just go ahead and release the album and stop all this nonsense of trying to ruin the poor boy’s rep. some people are already saying Adam lied. meanwhile his true fans know about all his/cv songs on the tube and there’s no way he cld have lied abt something that’s public knowledge .

No, no, no, Belle. Just not buying that this ends a brilliant career that’s just starting. It’s nasty, it’s crazy out there right now, but I’m just not buying that it’s over. I will, however, buy OWTS just as I bought Want.

I hope 19/RCA still back up Adam. It’s unfortunate this thing happens due to greediness of some people but it’s not Adam’s fault and it’s older stuffs and we’ve seen some of those anyway.

I think Adam should be proud of his previous works and address it. Say it’s unfinished when he worked those songs (which I think it’s true).

I think I’ll buy the album.

Belle it’s not that serious. I do think they may be forcing 19 to make a statement, but Adam’s career is not in jeopardy.

As FifthHouseSun mentioned in the superb post upthread there are probably 30 (OK, maybe 100) of us following this story clear through every period and exclamation mark.
It is annoying to sit and do nothing while we watch Adam and RCA do nothing, but this feeling of frustration is exactly what Heckler wants.
He wants us firing off crackpot emails, bitching on fan boards, and working ourselves into a frenzy. He wants a brouhaha in the press.

Perez too thrives on annoying people.
I’m going to try and ignore it as much as possible and have a lovely evening in my real life. Got my cocktail, dinner is cooked, and life is good.

Adam’s career is fine and I can’t allow pot stirrers of any ilk make me feel any differently.

So when exactly would it be an appropriate time for Adam to again make a statement or should he just let the media think and call him a liar?

I still don’t think he needs to say anything. (and that saying anything would be just increasing the time that Hecker and company can make a story out of this)

Anybody who examines the details of this briefly can see that he’s pretty much only listed as a co-writer on songs that he’d already said he was a co-writer for (with a couple of title changes, I’ll grant you). They were on his myspace and youtube saying that he was involved in them.

Obviously, if he’d known those songs were involved in this deal, he wouldn’t have said that he wasn’t involved in the writing in the first place. He obviously was commenting only on Want and some other demos that he thought were in the mix. And, sure enough, the sole writer mentioned for those is Michael whatshisname.

He wouldn’t have “lied” about the Citizen Vein songs because he’d already been telling the truth about them for years. Likes the songs. Wouldn’t want to deny them. He’s not stupid enough to have suddenly started saying last weekend that he didn’t write them, so the “lying” clearly becomes a non-story as soon as anybody thinks about it for a second.

Just let it die, is the best approach, surely.

Adam is very proud of his CV songs and the work with Pittman. He already acknowledged he wrote CTTF when he performed it at the Zodiac Show. Adam lied about nothing, his words are being misconstrued and this Hecker guy won’t quit.

Thinking about it now (and pretty much everyday for the last week …) I’d say this is par for the course and right on schedule.

First, there was the hype (He’s unstoppable! He’s a force of nature! Insert superlative!)

Then, there was the drama. (Is he gay? Can he win? Can he lose? He lost! He’s gay!)

Now, there’s the backlash. (He had a contract! He’s a liar! Why isn’t he saying anything?)

Luckily, next is the Triumphant ascent.

Rock on Adam. HiFi shall be hoisted on its own petard, and you will “shock the world”.

Adam had focused on a music and entertainment career since graduation from high school and dove into the Hollywood scenario . This HiFi issue should not be a surprise at all. This is kind of like the Rolling Stone exhale. This is the music side of his life that just needs to be untangled as he moves forward.

I think Adam’s management is expecting all this knots to occur and in due time this will all untangle as they push forward with what they have planned . RCA knows their business, they will know how to calculate their moves here.

Adam is still going to skyrocket. That talent is real.
His music will be a progression but the talent is real and will not go away.

Adam is not just a celebrity , he is now a star. All stars are celebrities but not all celebrities are stars. A star is someone whose superior performance is acknowledged. This is Adam.

Folks – signs show he is here to stay.

Sormy and Animated, YES and YES. Great breakdowns/assessments/conclusions. ^^^

MP3 Killed the Record Companies, bwah. Very funny post Kristen!! YOU should be writing songs.

It is funny that peeps are giving TMZ more cred than Hi Fi. Can you see the irony in this?

Inclined to agree with you , cay You have the right to remain silent but sometimes it is better to nip things in the bud with a precision strike so to speak which gives you the upper hand. Just ask Bubba Clinton.

You can already get Adam singing Fonzerellià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Love Got to Do With It (Radio Edit) on itunes (link to it below). Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s under Brazen on Big Room Tunes 2009 and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been out since January. Maybe they are going to release another mix of it, but I bought this one and its great. So check it out if you havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t already. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tagged explicit but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see why.

Tom O’Neil said this: “Adam needs tough, seasoned management. This industry is a corrupt, incestuous biz and you benefit from that by being on the inside.”

You can already get Adam singing Fonzerellià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Love Got to Do With It (Radio Edit) on itunes (link to it below). Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s under Brazen on Big Room Tunes 2009 and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been out since January. Maybe they are going to release another mix of it, but I bought this one and its great. So check it out if you havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t already. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tagged explicit but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see why.

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?i=300613953&id=300613945&s=143441

Just for the record….I can’t find a single quote from Adam saying he DID NOT WRITE the songs on this proposed new album that he recorded as a session singer. For those of you who keep reitterating this information, would you please include his quote! The only statement Adam has made is concerning the songs he sang as a studio singer. If HIFI has now included his CV recordings…they were not part of his studio singing days….they were recorded as demos by Adam in hopes of selling the songs and maybe someone would be interested in signing him. Adam never speaks to his demos only his studio singing which is what he thought HIFI was releasing.

Back in 2005 when I was a struggling artist, I was hired as a studio singer to lend my vocals to tracks written by someone else. I was broke at the time and this was my chance to make a few bucks, so I jumped at the opportunity to record for my first time in a professional studio.

The work I did back then in no way reflects the music I am currently in the studio working on.

I’m thrilled to be working with some of today’s hottest songwriters and producers and can’t wait for people to hear what my music really sounds like.

It just goes to prove that reading and understanding what is read is not always the case.

DallasGlambert Jun 25th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

Hi Belleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

I got the joke. Not sure everyone did though.

Oh, the Belle tolls for thee instead of the end of Adam’s career. Strangely, I find comfort in that.

Tess – so correct on MTV !!! Sad but true.

One last point, probably already pointed out somewhere in this sea of brainstorming, is this: Adam Lambert will never throw Monte Pittman under the bus. One thing I have noticed about Adam is that he always throws accolades toward the people around him, the cosmetic gal, the band, and especially he has mentioned Monte is many many interviews. If Monte Pitman ends up on this album, which I suspect he will, Adam will not diss this album and tell people not to buy it.

I got what Adam was trying to say: that he now has the world by the tail and he has the best producers in the world and his New Stuff is gonna shock the world. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s basically what I got from Adam.

DallasGlambert, I think we are on the same page. I view it the same way you do.

well this story is officially over now that michael jackson has passed away. No one cares about this anymore.

Entertainment Weekly picked up the story, but I think it’s off the table as the world reels from the unexpected death of Michael Jackson. I’m sorry that he’s dead … my heart goes out to his friends and family.

I’m sorry that this is the way it happened … but I’m not sorry that this out-of-control story spun by HiFi is about to get buried, at least for awhile.

I just listened to Black and Gold, OMG!!! If this is who Adam has teamed up with, we are in for the “Adam Bomb” for real. Adam’s album will be a stellar success. If you have not listened to this song, please do. Hot and sexy! WOW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHuebHTD-lY&feature=related

You can already get Adam singing Fonzerellià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Love Got to Do With It (Radio Edit) on itunes (link to it below). Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s under Brazen on Big Room Tunes 2009 and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been out since January. Maybe they are going to release another mix of it, but I bought this one and its great. So check it out if you havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t already. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tagged explicit but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see why.

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?i=300613953&id=300613945&s=143441

OMG! I had no idea this was on iTunes! Wonder why he’s not credited as an artist?

Have you read this:

Adam Lambert officially responded this evening to news that Hi Fi Recordings’ upcoming disc, On With the Show, will contain eight tracks co-written and recorded by the singer before he achieved fame as American Idol’s season 8 runner-up. Lambert’s statement, released through a rep for 19 Recordings, is as follows:

“Last Friday I was surprised to find out that songs I recorded back in 2005 were being released. Since then I discovered the entire track listing, revealed online today. I was shocked to learn that songwriting demos of songs that I co-wrote and recorded over the past few years may be released in an album. Like a rough draft that a writer does before finishing a book, I did not intend my work on these demos to be heard by the public. I was unaware that anyone intended to release these recordings until I heard about it in the press, and I’m very disappointed by this entire situation.”

Taken from:

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/06/adam-lambert-linda-perry.html

Just read the above statement at adamofficial.com. It really is sad that he is finding out all this information like we are, in the press!

It really is sad that he is finding out all this information like we are, in the press!

True

New statement by adam this evening re HIFI

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/06/adam-lambert-linda-perry.html

Like a rough draft that a writer does before finishing a book, I did not intend my work on these demos to be heard by the public.

Didn’t people here say they were on his MySpace page until recently?

This was by dishofsalt tweet

I Understand. The point was made to me that the more media reports on it the more HiFi gets attn and Adam doesnt want that

Adam does not want us to buy.. in addition to the EW report

dyg, had just read Adam’s statement. And logged in here to say, it’s always humbling to be wrong. Which apparently I was. Since earlier today I was certain RCA would never issue a statement and give HiFi more free PR. Mea culpa.

Of course, Michael Jackson’s passing changed everything. Because no one in the press cares about this silly HiFi story now.

“Shocked” and “Very disappointed” he says he is. Those are quite personal words. Maybe he feels betrayed? Or he just doesn’t like being called a liar? And the MJ moment allowed expressing that? Otherwise can’t actually understand why they’d issue a statement. Because strategically a statement makes no sense. Even to give a shout out to fans who wanted word from Adam under cover of media going to be elsewhere. So maybe it’s not business, it’s personal?

The theory that something changed since HiFi announced “Want” is substantiated by the statement. He says he found out “Last Friday” about the 2005 demos and “Since then I discovered the entire track listing, revealed online today.” Careful wording. He found out about CV stuff, after Want, since last Friday. And HiFi revealed today. Which means the CV stuff was added.

Adam knows the status of the rights to the songs he and Monte Pittman wrote. And he’s not revealing that. “I was unaware anyone intended to release these recordings…”. We don’t get to know who that “anyone” is. Doesn’t have to be Mr. Pittman. But whoever it is, their putting these songwriting demos into play– “the entire situation” — was disappointing enough for this moment to be seized. And a statement released.

None of it matters. Still Inside Baseball. Fans will still not buy this HiFi stuff. This statement certainly shores up that action. And while HiFi may try to do something with their response to fan the PR flames, Michael Jackson is the only music story there is.

Didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t people here say they were on his MySpace page until recently?

I think I could point out hundreds of people who have their demos on Myspace in hopes that someone who knows someone will hear them and respond to them. This is completely different then having demo music stuck in its rare form on an album and sold for public consumption.

I think I could point out hundreds of people who have their demos on Myspace in hopes that someone who knows someone will hear them and respond to them. This is completely different then having demo music stuck in its rare form on an album and sold for public consumption.

I understand that Tess, but that’s not what he said. He said “heard by the public,” not “sold to the public.” That’s how he should have worded it if that’s what he meant. You don’t post demos on MySpace if you don’t want “the public” to hear them, you send them out to record companies privately.

Sorry to disappoint you Belle. This whole drama won’t affect Adam’s career. People will buy his music if they like it. And with Michael’s sudden death all over the internet, this Hi-Fi issues will go away just in time for people to focus on Adam’s tour performance.

@ FifthHouseSun

As usual, totally agree with you. I admire your wiseness.

I am shocked with MJÂ ´s death, I have followed his music since Jackson 5.

After Michael Jackson’s death today this topic is definitely moot… however, Adam did issue a statement today. The link is here: http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/06/adam-lambert-linda-perry.html

He said à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“heard by the public,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  not à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“sold to the public.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how he should have worded it if thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what he meant.

Maybe he cannot say that. This statement was released through a rep for 19 Recordings. They might have worded it very carefully.

“I understand that Tess, but thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not what he said. He said à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“heard by the public,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  not à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“sold to the public.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  ”

- How sure are we that this came from Adam and not his management team. Was he interviewed and said these straight from his mouth? He is now under contract and everything he says is under control. In fact, I’d like to credit HiFi for saying that it was his management who released the press release statement in behalf of Adam last Friday thus sparing Adam from all the mess.

I just hope fans will stop reacting negatively on the whole issue. Just let Hi-Fi release the album . We know that this is pre-Idol and Adam was just a diamond in the rough back then. RCA isn’t stopping them and it seems that they are confident that Adam will break record sales once his REAL album comes out. Keep the positive energy.

I think people are reading way too much into all this and making a mountain out of a molehill. The way I understand his latest response is that he co-wrote some songs, did his own vocals in an effort to hopefully promote the songs to other singers, and now all these recordings have ended up on a soon-to-be-released album. All he seems to be saying to me is that he doesn’t consider the songs he co-wrote and/or performed in 2005 (four years ago!) to be representative of the kind of music he wants to do now. And that he didn’t anticipate a CD being made from the material.
Kris has made very similar comments on a CD of his earlier work. I’ve listened to it and I enjoyed it, but it was not as good (with the exception of a song or two) as what he did on AI. What I did appreciate was a peek into where Kris was a few years ago musically, seeing the growth of his vocals and song arrangement and creativity, even.
The idols who have already produced a CD (whether released publicly with a label or independently), outnumber those who haven’t, at least in the last few seasons.
I’ll admit to thinking he’s becoming a bit overexposed, but this goes way overboard. Cut the guy some slack, for crying out loud. He made some recordings of songs he co-wrote that he peddled in the hope that someone would want to sing them. bfd. Stop picking apart the poor kid’s every syllable.

MJ started a separate thread on this topic!

On the positive note that EW article with Adam’s statement release by his rep. has an additional good news attached to it. It’s really nice to read that well-known music producers are continuing to line up for him. Way to go Adam.

Discussion in other thread certainly showing how releasing a statement not the ace strategic move. Because it gives all kinds of room for all kinds of non-positive shrilling. No statement and this whole story would be way gone.

So, it must be personal. So personal that this album might really happen. And this moment is the closest way to condemning it as unsanctioned and not giving HiFi a free ride in the media.

Cut the guy some slack, for crying out loud. He made some recordings of songs he co-wrote that he peddled in the hope that someone would want to sing them. bfd. Stop picking apart the poor kidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s every syllable.

This ^ ^

Couldn’t have said it better myself.