The American Idols Visit Graceland – VIDEO

from EOnline:

The American Idol Top 10 and friends got the tour of the Elvis Presley homestead, Graceland, yesterday in Memphis, TN before they hit the concert stage later on that evening.

Memphis home-girl Lil Rounds posed and practiced her lip curl with Adam Lambert and Kris Allen. Plus, Kris talks about what Elvis means to him.

Parent company, CKx owns both American Idol and Graceland…

Video after the JUMP…

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72 Comments

  1. Isn’t she! And I love that she’s not huddle up under Kris – she seems to be her own woman and I admire that.

    ETA: I hope her dream of becoming an actress comes true.

  2. katy is smart…she knows it is best to keep her distance from kris so that girls, women (and men) can keep their pocket idol fantasy alive

  3. If I didn’t know any better, I would think that Katy was one of the Top 10! lol.

    Haha, in Kris’ little ramble about “boundaries”, I couldn’t help but snicker. Though I really hope he finds the guts to push them. :)

  4. Kris’s tries to somewhat compare himself with Elvis in some points seem to be a result of tiredness, I guess. Just listen to the “boundaries” part. BTW, lip curl competiton is hilarious.

  5. oh, hey Katy (waves wildly)!

    Cute video…the Idols seemed genuinely awed…Kris talking about Elvis’ impact and relating it to what he is hoping to do as a musician was sweet. Couple of nice Kradam-y moments, and Adam, Lil and Kris were funny with the matching sunglasses and imitations.

    But which of the Idols said they wanted those windows in that last room?

  6. “I just like the word houndog.” -Lil
    LOL

    Those sunglasses are fugley.

    It’s still weird to me that the energy was down at the concert last night (if that is the case), b/c it’s a city full of such musical history (I went to both Graceland and Sun Records, and man, was I touched).

  7. Is this going to be on ET tonight? Anybody know? Or did they show it last night?

    After watching this, I’m gonna take out my Elvis CD and listen to it…

  8. Thanks for video. It’s nice to see them have a break and to have a memory of visiting Graceland together.

  9. Love the lip curls. And I love that Adam can do that, and do it very well, but then they all crack up afterwards. So cute. Also, he should keep those Elvis glasses and ditch those Blu Blockers on Crack that he normally wears. He actually rocks those glasses hard. Lil and Kris however look like bugs, they’re too tiny for glasses that big. I know that Lil talked in her Dish of Salt interview of wearing big heels to look taller, but that’s really evident here where even Kris taller than her and Adam looks like some giant incomparison to the two them. He’s only 6’1″-ish, which where I grew up, is average. Though Adam’s boots do give him an inch or two, but still he isn’t nearly as gigantor as he looks next to Lil and Kris.

    Yeah, I’m all about the shallow.

    Last note, dear Kris, less use of the word “like,” would be like really cool. Like.

  10. Haha, in Kris’ little ramble about ‘boundaries’ , I couldn’t help but snicker. Though I really hope he finds the guts to push them. :)

    There are no boundaries for Kris…literally! He took out the song, so he really is pushing the boundaries…right off his set list.

    Besides that however, yeah, don’t see how Kris is exactly pushing the boundaries of music and when he talks about the soft/pop rock he wants to make, not sure how that is going to do it with that. Not that I expect any boundaries to be shattered by any of the other idols in their first albums (or most probably, ever), to be very clear I am NOT singling out Kris. Other than that he was the one talking about hopefully, in some small way, challenging existing musical boundaries the way Elvis did. Yeah, and no.

  11. I didn’t even notice Kris’s excessive use of “like.” I’m from CA, so maybe that’s the problem? xD Anyhow, I love Lil’s reaction to Adam saying “Let me give you some lip. *Elvis snarl*” She’s like “oooh…–OH! hahaha.” Which I found funny for some reason. The three of them impersonating Elvis was funny, I thought, especially when Kris was just like “uh-hum” and then they all laughed. C:

    Katy is adorable. ^o^
    And Kris sounds so tired. D: But they have a day off today, so it’s all good. :D

  12. Thank you for the link BeckyMD. I like Adam’s: “I can only hope to have a little fraction of his success”. Typical for him.

  13. I agree about the pushing of the “boundaries”. When Kris was referring to Elvis’ aura of energy and ability to push boundaries, he stated that he was trying to do that somewhat. However, his description sounded EXACTLY like Adam and the impact Adam is making on the music world!

  14. Other than that he was the one talking about hopefully, in some small way, challenging existing musical boundaries the way Elvis did. Yeah, and no.

    I can’t really discount that Kris may be able to do that…it’s early days of course. And he does have a track record of success at changing up the game, I’d say he challenged the boundaries of AI and came up a winner, and that’s not a puny audience or accomplishment. It’s of course not comparable to Elvis’ long career and global impact, but it could perhaps be an indicator of his will and ability to do what he sets out to do.

  15. Adam is the next Elvis.

    Looks wise? Okay. But in terms of being iconic and groundbreaking? Yeah, as Adam himself said, he would be lucky to get even a fraction of Elvis’s success, and I agree, he will need luck to get even that. Much less breaking musical ground. And I say this as huge Adam fan, Elvis? yeah, no.

    I think it’s best for Adam, and Kris for that matter, not to be set up against someone like Elvis. Yikes! Talk about having to live up to expectations.

  16. It was Megan who said she wanted the peacock windows. Guess there really is no accounting for taste…

  17. Katy is so pretty, and Kris and Adam are adorable. So, business as usual.

    Also, is Adam shrinking? He looks thinner than he did when the tour started. I suppose that makes sense, given how grueling this must be for them.

    As for the “next Elvis” talk: I think Adam could be and hopefully will be hugely successful, but the music industry just isn’t built to make stars like Elvis or MJ anymore, just like there will never again be a movie star on the globe-straddling order of Audrey or Katharine Hepburn–it just doesn’t happen anymore.

    Lastly, I hope/think that no one expects Adam or Kris to reinvent music on their first CD. They both seem to have excellent taste in music and generally fantastic creative instincts, so hopefully they will be able to put out good records that set them up to be able to put out more records over the course of a long career.

  18. if anyone was going to be the next elvis it wouldnt take a show like american idol to do it.

  19. Not seeing any buttons or boundaries pushed by Kris either. Adam is the one that does that. Kris is the comfortable “safe” one. Many people have attributed that description to his win. Now, to say he pushes boundaries like Elvis??? Not seeing that at all. Is Kris not liking his appeal to the safe fans now???

  20. Love the lip curls. And I love that Adam can do that, and do it very well, but then they all crack up afterwards.

    The three of them impersonating Elvis was funny, I thought, especially when Kris was just like ‘uh-hum’  and then they all laughed.

    LOL.. Yeah.. Adam and Lil laughed becoz Kris couldn’t do it right. While Adam did it right and Kris only like “um-hum”.. that’s what make the other two crack up. So cute.

    It’s so cute that I found Kris and Adam always together.. like where ever Kris is there would be Adam there and where ever Adam is Kris would be there too. Love them. And Katy’s so adorable.

  21. Yeah, I don’t see Kris pushing any boundaries, unless he means pushing “No Boundaries” off the set list. :) What he said didn’t make a ton of sense, but he’s probably just tired. Kid needs a nap.

  22. I can’t imagine Kris ever doing anything musically that people would be saying, “woa, are you serious”? Adam, on the other hand, yes. Let’s not forget Ring of Fire. I think Adam has the potential to be just as iconic as Elvis. Whether he will or not, too soon to tell, but we should at least try to give him a chance.

    I can understand Megan loving the stained glass windows. They kind of go with her colorful tatoo and her quirky personality.

  23. if anyone was going to be the next elvis it wouldnt take a show like american idol to do it.

    I don’t think anyone will be the “next Elvis” but that’s not necessarily true–even Elvis and the Beatles needed the help of tremendously popular TV shows like the Ed Sullivan Show to help them achieve their huge success in the US, and the industry is even more difficult to break into today, making the exposure afforded by popular TV shows like AI even more important. It would be nice to think that if someone is unbelievably gifted it will simply be recognized and rewarded immediately, but that’s sadly not always how it works.

  24. since we havent heard kris’ album, its probably a safe bet that we dont know what his style will be like…and if he is going to push any boundaries. unless someone has a crystal ball they would like to share. Plus, for Kris, pushing boundaries might mean something different than what you or I see view as ” risky”, “daring”, etc for Kris, pushing boundaries might mean singing a current, chart topping Hip Hop tune acoustic style on Idol :) really, i wouldnt pay much attention to every word, quote, tweet/twat …. as they might be taken out of context.

  25. Not seeing any buttons or boundaries pushed by Kris either.

    Kris isn’t pushing any boundaries. He’s like a pair of comfortable shoes and those are rarely if ever stylish. Like the Memphis reviewer said he’s wholesome, not edgy.

  26. I was thinking that he was going to push his own boundaries and try and go beyond his comfort zone? I don’t think he really was comparing what he’s trying to do with Elvis; it’s most likely the interviewer told him to talk about that since he is at Graceland.

  27. *chuckles at the notion that darling kris thinks he’ll be pushing boundaries with his music.

    *laughs at the notion that adam could become iconic as elvis.

    oh, idol fandom.

    me personally? i’m just waiting for these kids to put out good, catchy music i can jam to on the radio or on the dancefloor, nothing more nothing less. why people year in and year out expect them to revolutionize the music landscape is beyond me.

  28. I think Kris just wants to stand out a bit from all the hundreds of artists that do sound just like him. I listened to the Fray’s version of Heartless for the first time the other day and I actually thought it was Kris singing at first. They sounded exactly alike, to me anyway. Kris will have to push some major boundaries in order to step out of the Fray and Jason Mraz comparisons and actually put out some great songs in order to stand above all the ones already out there. Besides, I don’t believe Kris’s voice is a good as some of the more popular artists that he would be compared to. For me, for you, I believe Kris would do better in country music.

  29. pushing boundaries? But.. I thought the reason we liked Kris was that he was safe, average and forgettable. no wait..

  30. edit: DO NOT COMMENT ON THE THREAD, OR TELL POSTERS WHAT TO DO. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO ASK?

    I’m about 100% sure that Kris was responding to a question from an interviewer about how he is like Elvis, or about how he would like to be Elvis. I’m pretty sure that the guy who won’t even call himself the headliner of the AI tour would not spontaneously assert that he will be the next Elvis.

    What he said was that he hoped that he would be able to push the boundaries with his music, and do some things that haven’t been done before. Good for him. I encourage him in this risk-taking endeavor. I think he has a lot of talent, and, actually, one of the things that I have read from several “musical” people, is that Kris’s melodic choices that they’ve seen, where he has had the opportunity to show them, have been unexpected and interesting. Kid’s got potential. He’s 23 and just starting out. I’m willing to sit back and see what he can do.

    I’m glad Katy got to make the trip to Memphis with him. Those two are not getting to spend enough time together. I’m not seriously worried about them or anything, but I just like to see that these newlyweds are getting to spend at least a few days together in this first year of marriage. ;)

  31. i’m just waiting for these kids to put out good, catchy music i can jam to on the radio or on the dancefloor, nothing more nothing less.

    Honestly, I think that’s all Adam’s looking to do anyway. He’s said many times he wants to make fun music that people can dance to and enjoy. He did say he wants it to have some meaning and not involve pointless lyrics, but the boy just wants to have fun.

  32. Adam doesn’t want to be the next Elvis and Kris doesn’t want to be the next Michael Jackson, as far as I can tell, but it seems fans either want them to be or proclaim that it isn’t possible…

  33. Absolutely, its the Elvis comparison I was shaking my head at’ ¦.

    oh, yeah, i get that …..however, he wasnt comparing myself to elvis out of the blue, he seemed to be responding to a questioh….you guys do realize that when they are filmed, they are normally responding to an (off camera) question by a producer or reporter

    also, kris saying he WANTS to be a certain way is not the same as him saying he ALREADY IS

  34. suebrody
    Jul 27th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
    Adam doesn’t want to be the next Elvis and Kris doesn’t want to be the next Michael Jackson, as far as I can tell, but it seems fans either want them to be or proclaim that it isn’t possible’ ¦

    ^^^^ This.

  35. I think it’s too early to judge what Kris and Adam are capable of. The AI format doesn’t allow for a whole lot of creativity — after all, the contestants have to work within the constraints of specific themes, some of which may not be compatible with their abilities. That said, I think both Kris and Adam tried mightily hard to bring something new to the party each week on the show. We’ll just have to wait and see how far they are capable of pushing the creative envelope on their CDs, and how far their recording companies will let them go. After all, record companies aren’t worried about creativity or artistry; they just want to sell a lot of CDs, and “cutting edge” doesn’t always translate into big sales.

    Just one additional note: in his Idolatry interview with Michael Slezak, Adam said that he was flattered and surprised by any comparisons to Elvis, but he didn’t think he and Elvis were very similar, even vocally. He thought the only similarity is “maybe in the looks department, when I brushed my hair back.” So, Adam doesn’t seem to have any pretensions to being Elvis. I think he just wants to be himself.

  36. Adam and Kris are both musically creative people. I think that Adam has pushed boundaries and done the unexpected a little more, but I find Kris very interesting as well and neither one was predictable on the show–which is probably at least a good part of the reason that both did so well.

    I don’t think either one expects or wants to be Elvis 2.0, and I don’t think their fans want them to be either–they both just seem to want to make creatively satisfying, interesting, fun, meaningful (in a non-sappy sense) music that they are proud of and that listeners can enjoy. Adam’s my favorite but I really like Kris as well and so I hope they get to do this.

    Basically, I want Adam to be Adam and Kris to be Kris. They both seem very good–unusually good–at being themselves, so hopefully that will continue.

  37. Honestly, I think that’s all Adam’s looking to do anyway. He’s said many times he wants to make fun music that people can dance to and enjoy. He did say he wants it to have some meaning and not involve pointless lyrics, but the boy just wants to have fun.

    Yeah, I think the way he describes his music throws some people because it’s a style more on the upswing in mainstream than having been there for awhile. I don’t see Adam pushing musical boundaries (at least any time soon), however, I do think it is possible that he might end up pushing a few cultural boundaries if he makes it.

    Anyway, nobody–whether from AI or not–will be the next Elvis has music and cultural icons are iconic, therefore themselves, not a version of a previous icon. I don’t think either dude has any aspirations to be the next Elvis (though I did raise my eyebrow when Kris said he described himself as a boundaries-pusher), even if Adam does kind of resemble Elvis at times.

  38. Kris is answering the interviewer obviously. One has to not know him in thinking he wants to best anybody. As he said before, the biggest competition has always been with himself, so I would think he wants to push his own boundaries

  39. They just showed some of this on the TV version of ET. It had more talking from Adam, and he was basically just saying he was flattered by the Elvis comparisons he got, that he’d never heard them before he was on AI. He said it was cool to be compared to such a good-looking guy and a great artist.

    ETA and that was it, there was nothing else from Kris’ interview.

  40. Guys, both Adam and Kris have shown musical creativity and while they probably won’t epically redefine music because very few people in the history of music have done that, I hope and think that both can and will produce good, creative music for many years to come. And whether or not you like one or both or neither, it seems clear that neither Kris nor Adam thinks that he is the second coming of Elvis, they just want to make good music and are sometimes asked to talk about themselves in comparison with famous singers.

  41. Kris wants to be innovative musically. I’m a big David Cook fan and I give Kris the same kudos as I do David Cook for making a song their own. Adam is a tremendous vocalist, but he is “copying” Mercury and Plant. Neither, Kris nor Adam is the next Elvis. Elvis forever will be the one and only. My aunt loved him and had given me one of her precious 45’s when I was little. They both, Adam and Kris, need to make their own marks in the music industry. Kris merely wants to emulate what Elvis has given the world of music. He never proclaimed himself to be the next Elvis.

    Personally, I believe Kris is LIKE a vocal chameleon. I bought the Killers CD HOT FUSS and listened to ATTTID and I can say our boy, Kris, delivers on his performance of it. I can say the same thing about his performance of Bright Lights being a huge MB20 fan and Rob Thomas fan — owning every CD. Even though, Kris doesn’t want to go Country, he most definitely might find his songs on Country charts. Definite crossover potential there, depending on the songs on his CD. I think Daughtry is trying for a crossover hit as well. I’ve got the CD, but haven’t had time to listen to it yet. Also, I can see Kris crossing over to R&B/Urban, again depending on the CD’s music. I stand by the belief that there is lots of potential with this kid.

    On a side note: Going to see David Cook on Saturday, not sure what to expect with the uber-fans. Scares me for sure. But I’m looking forward to seeing him play live. My daughter knows most of the songs, so we’ll be singing along.

  42. Following the example of Alyonia … :)

    I’ve never been to Graceland, so it was fun to see some shots of the grounds and inside the house. The decor looks as OTT as I expected it would be!

    Does anyone know how big the property is? Is Graceland right in town, or is it outside the city? Just curious.

    Fun shots of Kris, Adam and Lil doing their Elvis impressions, too.

  43. LindaT Jul 27th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Anyone want to talk about Graceland?

    It’s beautiful and I like the peacock windows.

    ETA: I wonder if the other visitors knew who the idols were?

  44. yes, let’s talk about graceland. Like how Anoop is the only one wearing shorts. And how his chicken legs make me lol.

    oh and just throwing it out there.

  45. and count me as another person who is interested to find out more about graceland….in city, outside? large vs small…..my sister just passed by Neverland Ranch on Saturday ..said from gate to home, the distance was 5 miles

  46. LindaT
    Jul 27th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Anyone want to talk about Graceland?

    I do.
    I’ve never been to Graceland, and from what little I saw of it in this video, I don’t think I want to. LOL!

    Wouldn’t mind seeing Neverland though.

  47. Squirrely:

    In one of his tweets, Michael Sarver said “I think the tourists forgot where they were, because they were taking pictures of [the idols] the whole time”. So, it sounds like they got a lot of recognition (and love) at Graceland from their fellow visitors.

  48. Anyone want to talk about Graceland?

    It’s tacky and OTT (will wait for the inevitable comparisons) and the AI crew looked pretty damn bored. I think it’s more a case, as someone here pointed out, of cross marketing. Gee, the AI machine is a multi-media money making machine? The hell you say.

    Oh and I still maintain that both Lil and Kris looked silly in those glasses and Adam looked hott. Not offense against Lil and Kris, but they are itty bitty and those glasses are not.

    ETA: Katy looked cute though, and I like that she doesn’t have to be with Kris all the times as well. You go girl!

  49. It’s tacky and OTT (will wait for the inevitable comparisons) and the AI crew looked pretty damn bored.

    Have you been there? It looked nice to me. I’ve always wanted to go.

  50. I’d like to visit Graceland at some point, even if it’s cheesy.

    Adam snarling in that sexy/fun way with Kris trying to do it and ending up saying “omm” like he was meditating or something, followed by Adam losing the sexyface and giggling, seems like a pretty good representation of their friendship. Love those boys.

  51. By saying he wants to pushing any boundries, IMHO, I think he’s not liking his appeal as a ‘safe’  artist anymore and he wants to be called an edgy artist, like Adam. Probably a ‘safe’  artist sounds plain / unchallenge / no risk taker.

    If he felt people thought that way about him before, wait until he reads the Memphis review.

  52. If he didn’t like it before, wait until he reads the Memphis review.

    that review just sounded like all the annoying “guy-next-door vs. guyliner” talk from the end of the season, and I doubt either Kris or Adam will bother with it.

    They do all kind of look like beetles in those glasses–very cute beetles, though. Those are Elvis sunglasses, I take it?

    On a completely shallow note, I always enjoy videos that prominently feature Kris, Adam, Megan, or Katy, much less all 4. So much pretty.

  53. If he felt people thought that way about him before, wait until he reads the Memphis review.

    Are you saying this Memphis review? “He plays for the true ‘American Idol’  demographic.” AKA mainstream America.

    Go Memphis review?

  54. On a completely shallow note, I always enjoy videos that prominently feature Kris, Adam, Megan, or Katy, much less all 4. So much pretty.

    I was happy to see Lil at center stage with the two top dogs in Memphis, she seems like sweet girl.

  55. I am an Adam fan but I agree that Kris’ Elvis comment about hoping to push the boundaries of music a bit was just fine. He wasn’t saying he wanted to be like Elvis.

  56. I was happy to see Lil at center stage with the two top dogs in Memphis, she seems like sweet girl

    That’s true, and (again, shallow) Lil is actually super-pretty as well (and very cute–her interviews with Adam were adorable). On the show it felt like they were putting too much makeup on her and doing strange things with her hair, but now that she’s just apparently dressing like she wants, it’s easier to see how attractive she is.

    /End shallow.

    Q3! How did you enjoy the concert last night? Hopefully we will get a full recap from you in the near future? :)

    ETA: the very near future, apparently. :)

  57. Elvis’ musical influences were the pop and country music of the time, the gospel music he heard in church and at the all-night gospel sings he frequently attended, and the black R&B he absorbed on historic Beale Street as a Memphis teenager. In 1954, he began his singing career with the legendary Sun Records label in Memphis. In late 1955, his recording contract was sold to RCA Victor. By 1956, he was an international sensation. With a sound and style that uniquely combined his diverse musical influences and blurred and challenged the social and racial barriers of the time, he ushered in a whole new era of American music and popular culture.

    Elvis hit the music scene at a moment in time that was waiting and ready for something “new and different”. The US was coming off of the Korean conflict, kids that had been raised during the War were searching for something to stimulate them and move them away from their Parent’s generation (sound familiar). The early 50’s were full of the real bubblegum music and power ballads and singers singing about the “doggie in the window”. And into this came a sweet, basically quiet, Southern boy with natural charisma and charm who sounded like a Negro, moved to the music, belted songs like he was singing in the Baptist choir and changed himself with every type of genre he tackled.

    Elvis sang country and western, blue grass, pop, rock n’ roll, 50’s American Bandstand “dance to me music”, gospel, soul, power ballads, and some of the dumbest lyrics ever recorded. But somehow it all worked and he paved the way for hundreds of singers that followed: artists that used his as a starting point and experimented and tried new things and new sounds, who learned to move while on stage, who understand what “putting on a show” meant.

    I am sure, that Adam and Kris and the rest of the idols look at the “Elvises” that have come before them and take a little bit from all of them. And they”ll see that “pushing the boundaries” is tough work and that it means taking all the hits from fans and reviewers for singing out of the box and will still strive to continue in a direction that isn’t often thought of as mainstream. And maybe they can learn from Elvis as well, to learn to stand up for themselves (something Elvis never could do to old Colonel Parker) and to be true to themselves. Maybe none of the newbies will be stars but maybe they can slowly inch closer to the stardom that was an Elvis, or a Michael, or the Beatles. Here’s hoping.

  58. Anyway, getting back to Graceland this visit…

    On a completely shallow note, I always enjoy videos that prominently feature Kris, Adam, Megan, or Katy, much less all 4. So much pretty.

    Indeed, so much pretty. I’m all for the pretty and aginst things that get in the way of the pretty. (DIE UGLY BEDAZZLED VEST DIE!)oh sorry, distracted momentarily. And Lil, outside of the sunglasses, looks very nice here. She looks lovely in green though I will say the fit of the top is…distracting.

  59. No one, including Kris, is comparing him to Elvis Presley. All the guy said is that he hopes to be able to push the boundaries of his own music a little bit. I interpreted that to mean he is going to try and push himself as a musician and maybe do things that are a little bit out of his comfort zone. Kris has said in previous interviews that there will be some surprises on his debut album — so I assume that is what he is referring to here.

    Besides that, the kid is probably dead tired, so shouldn’t be required to come up with the perfect response to every question that’s thrown at him.

    PS – Adam is right in his hope of being even a small percentage as successful as Elvis. First of all, Elvis came along at the very start of the rock and roll era, and in a very conservative period in US history. Although Elvis was great in of himself, he also came along at the perfect time, because not only music, but the country as a whole was teetering on this huge change in way of life. That’s not the case in 2009. As fantasic as Adam is, he isn’t likely to be at the forefront of a whole change in American culture, like Elvis was.

  60. REMINDER:

    I was thinking that he was going to push his own boundaries and try and go beyond his comfort zone? I don’t think he really was comparing what he’s trying to do with Elvis; it’s most likely the interviewer told him to talk about that since he is at Graceland.

    Thank you for your wise words, AC. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.

    Really, if I didn’t know who was a fan of whom, I could pick it out anyway. Silly, ridiculous, petty fan warring. I hate it. It’s worse than politics.

    Now I’m off to delete and maybe ban a few of you.

    ETA: I’m closing this thread until after I clean it up.

    ETAA: By the way, there are a few of you who INSIST on playing thread police, even after I’ve asked over and over and over again that you not do that.

    Banning self-appointed mods is my new thing. Just so you know.

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