Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Sep 20-25

September continues to be a good month for “September”. Daughtry’s latest single reached two milestones this week. The song went top 30 on Pop and top 15 on AC. That means the song is in the top 30 on three charts (top 15 on two charts) and that Daughtry has two songs in the top 15 on AC.

Carrie also continues to do well with her new single “Mama’s Song” hitting top 20 on Country after going for adds just last week. I would be suprised if the song doesn’t hit at least top 5.

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Details after the jump! (as of 7:13 on 09/26/10)

Adam Lambert:
“If I Had You”: ^16 Pop (17), ^18 HAC (19)
“Whattaya Want From Me”: 10 AC (9)

Carrie Underwood:
“Mama’s Song”: ^18 Country (25)
“Temporary Home: 41 CAC (39)
“Undo It”: ^34 HAC (39)

Chris Sligh:
“Only You Can Save”: ^16 CAC (20)

Danny Gokey:
“I Will Not Say Goodbye”: 38 Country (36)

Daughtry:
“Life After You”: ^6 AC (6)
“September”: ^3 HAC (3), ^13 AC (16), ^30 Pop (34)

Fantasia:
“Bittersweet”: 3 UAC (1), 18 Urban (14)

Hedley (Jacob from CI2):
“Perfect”: ^40 HAC (40)

Kris Allen:
“The Truth”: 35 HAC (27)

Matt Giruad:
“Thank You” (Jim Brickman): ^23 AC (23)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous week. The “^” (aka “a bullet”) indicates that a song gained spins since last week

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126 Comments

  1. Has Chris Daughtry ever had a #1 hit? It looks like September will pass Train and move up to #2 on the Hot AC chart in the next couple of days. Don’t know if it’ll catch Maroon 5 for #1 spot (although it does have the better bullet)

  2. Kirsten, I think you may have Carrie’s chart position for Temporary Home and Undo It switched around?

  3. Has Chris Daughtry ever had a #1 hit?

    On Pop format? Yes.

    “It’s Not Over” spent two weeks at #1 in the second half of March 2007.

  4. There are various charts and Daughtry has def had many #1s. I know Home went #1 on the HAC chart. But the biggest prize is a #1 on Pop which they had from “It’s not Over.” If September goes #1 on HAC maybe the article will mention how many #1s the band has had. I’m guessing around 20 in various formats.

  5. That’s actually pretty damn impressive that INO made it to #1 on CHR. How many years ago was that? i cannot even imagine a soft rock song making it to #1 anymore on that format. I wonder besides Hey Soul Sister how many have done it.

  6. Kirsten, I think you may have Carrie’s chart position for Temporary Home and Undo It switched around?

    Good catch. Thanks for pointing that out. It has been fixed.

  7. “It’s Not Over” spent two weeks at #1 in the second half of March 2007.

    Only 3 years ago which shows you how quickly things change on Pop.
    Actually 3 years is a lifetime there. ;)

  8. That’s actually pretty damn impressive that INO made it to #1 on CHR. How many years ago was that? i cannot even imagine a soft rock song making it to #1 anymore on that format. I wonder besides Hey Soul Sister how many have done it.

    Soft rock/rock songs used to top the CHR chart a lot…just not in the past 2-3 years. Which is too bad. I think INO (which I love) was at it peak in late 2005/early 2006. Or at the latest the first half of 2006.

  9. It’s Not Over” spent two weeks at #1 in the second half of March 2007.

    it was 2007? i thought that daughtry was in the 2005 season of AI and his cd and INO came out in the fall of 2005. and ino was the lead single/////am i a year off?

    ETA: yup, per below i was a year off. whoops

  10. INO was released in November, 2006 (same time as Daughtry’s album) and was certified platinum in April 2007. S5 was in 2006 so it can get confusing.

  11. jpfan- are you sure about that stat on INO? I am only asking because I have an old database for idols charting their CHR and BB. I have INO saying it peaked at #7 on CHR.I know it made #1 on Billboard pop though.

  12. I know both Daughtry and Elliott Yamin had top 3 hits on CHR with their debut singles. At the time they were the only guys off Idol to achieve that (and may still be for all I know).

    Anyway a #1 on BB Pop was the same thing as a #1 on the CHR Mediabase chart as both measured radio play unless I’m really confuzzled.

  13. jpfan- are you sure about that stat on INO? I am only asking because I have an old database for idols charting their CHR and BB. I have INO saying it peaked at #7 on CHR.I know it made #1 on Billboard pop though.

    But doesn’t Billboard count? I’m confused.

    “It’s Not Over” peaked at number 7 on the Pop 100 Airplay on March 10, 2007 and peaked at number 1 on the Mainstream Top 40 (aka Pop radio) chart for the March 31, 2007 chart. The Pop 100 Airplay was based on AI while the Mainstream Top 40 was based on the number of spins.

  14. Congrats to all the Idols on charting.

    On my local stations, primarily listening to HAC, I hear Daughtry, Kelly, and Carrie all the time – old and new songs. I hear Kris’ ‘Live Like We’re Dying’ a LOT; have never heard ‘The Truth’. I never hear Adam’s ‘If I Had You’ (I don’t like the song, so that’s ok with me) but do hear ‘What Do You Want From Me’ at about the same as KA’s ‘LLWD’.


    Unrelated to charts, but related to pop culture and musical influence. I was watching/listening to a random TV station yesterday and a ‘Weebles’ commercial came on. Any child of the ’70s will be familiar with the phrase ‘Weebles wobble but they won’t fall down.’ Genius toy and genius slogan and jingle.

    The jingle for these current Weebles is :::gasp::: auto-tuned tripe. I hate that this is what kids in a world where music has been taken out of school budgets are going to be singing along to and trying to mimic. Bleah!!!!!

  15. I just looked through the archive I keep for the Monday Morning Mediabase reports, and this is what I had for March 19th of 2007:

    Daughtry
    “Crashed” : 218 Active (914)
    “Home”: 47 Pop (63), 75 HAC (116), 94 Home (-), 223 Alt (-)
    “It’s Not Over”: 1 HAC (1), 1 Pop (1), 6 Rock (5), 7 Active (8), 19 Alt (20), 21 AC (25), 129 AAA (131), 235 Rhy (399)
    “Over You: 310 HAC (299)
    “There and Back Again” : 289 Active (295)
    “Used To”: 311 HAC (296)
    “What I Want”: 51 Rock (44), 85 Active (80), 157 Alt (153)

    So, “It’s Not Over” hit number 1 on both the Mediabase and BB Pop Charts which monitor spins.

  16. Thanks. I knew INO hit #1 on the Mediabase CHR chart. It’s a pretty rare event so it’s something you remember.

  17. Soft rock/rock songs used to top the CHR chart a lot…just not in the past 2-3 years.

    Use Somebody went number 1. Second Chance may have too. So what was that… last summer? So maybe its been over a year, unless Hey Soul Sister did it.

    As for Daughtry… are those numbers for Home correct? I could have sworn that was a huge hit on pop.

  18. As for Daughtry… are those numbers for Home correct? I could have sworn that was a huge hit on pop.

    Yes, they are correct. Remember, that is for March 19th when “It’s Not Over” was the single. “Home” was being played on Idol, but it wasn’t the single that was being primarily pushed to radio. Home peaked at number 3 on Pop in June of that year.

    Sorry for confusing things by posting the entire entry (I just like remembering when we had full access to the charts).

  19. dear fellow number lovers…the CHR Pulse board has a great thread that shows #1s and spins counts since 2001. Just #1s… its interesting.

  20. Looking at the country charts you can expect Mama’s Song to slow down now because there’s a huge logjam of lead singles from Reba, Zac Brown Band, Rascal Flatts, Taylor Swift, Sugarland, Darius Rucker, and Kenny Chesney plus a sorta lead single from Brad Paisley ahead of it. Then you’ve got The Band Perry’s song that’s going to be their breakthrough hit. Plus there’s still Keith Urban’s lead single behind Mama’s Song and Jason Aldean’s too. Kenny’s song will peak soon and there’s a chance Mama’s Song can pass Reba’s Turn On The Radio (which in a strange reversal sounds kinda similar to Cowboy Casanova) eventually but that’s about it. Basically Mama’s Song is going to have to hold on and hope people like it the next 2-3 months.

    Billboard posted a list of the top-10 album sellers from AI based on combined sales for all their albums. Here’s how the seasons are represented in the top 10:

    s1: 1 (winner)
    s2: 2 (winner + runner up)
    s3: 1 (winner)
    s4: 1 (winner)
    s5: 2 (4th place + 6th place)
    s6: 1 (winner)
    s7: 2 (winner + runner up)

  21. Thanks Kirsten. I am working on a Database for Idol single sales. Only sales on radio. NO CORONATION SONGS, and no songs from the show. But I am working off an old chart I found here one day ( they had Daughty @ #7 CHR). I am only going to add radio positions for those that made the CHR chart. And BB100 I might add sales after I get it all cleaned up.

    So what was INO’s peak position on Hot100? I have #4

    Can someone tell me LLWD’s peak BBHot100 position and peak CHR position? ( published chart only).

  22. Remember, that is for March 19th when “It’s Not Over” was the single.

    Oh! That makes sense. Sorry, brain fart. :D

  23. TwigLA: …I never hear Adam’s ‘If I Had You’ (I don’t like the song, so that’s ok with me)…

    LOL Good for you!

    By the way, according to Mediabase, IIHY is the most played Idol song, once again. And, it is also the most downloaded single for the 8th consecutive week.

  24. I haven’t seen this so I brought it over from Dimwitty at Pulse:

    POP
    16 16 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 4853 4715 138 23.269
    +21 Spins
    +2 Bullet
    -0.161 AI

    #33 iTunes

    HAC
    18 18 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You 1681 1508 173 8.876
    +23 Spins
    -17 Bullet
    +0.165 AI

    IIHY still seems to be chugging along, LOL. I keep seeing reports that it is peaking soon but then it rebounds a little. Adam’s songs seem to get up the charts slowly but then they won’t come off! I still want another single from this album but I doubt they will send one out there while IIHY is still going strong.

  25. Studio57:
    09/27/2010 at 9:07 am
    koshka- what is the link?

    Sorry about that Studio57.. I don’t know MJs rules about posting links to non-news stories or pics or I would have included it.

  26. TwigLA: …I never hear Adam’s ‘If I Had You’ (I don’t like the song, so that’s ok with me)…

    Whoa…sure glad I don’t live where you live! :)

    I love IIHY and our local pop station plays it all of the time. Our local HAC is playing both WWFM and IIHY several times a day, which is great.

  27. Adam’s songs seem to get up the charts slowly but then they won’t come off

    WWFM charted for 30 weeks on BBHot100. I think only about 7 other songs from idol have charted longer.

    Before He Cheats- 64 weeks ( wow!)- Carrie
    Breakaway- 46 weeks- Kelly
    Home- 37 weeks- Daughtry
    Because Of You- 37 weeks- Kelly
    I Told You So- 36 weeks- Carrie
    No Air- 35 weeks- Jordin
    Behind These Hazel Eyes- 34 weeks- Kelly

    Wait for You (tied @ 30 weeks)- Elliot

  28. So what was INO’s peak position on Hot100? I have #4

    #4 is correct. Home peaked at #5,

    Can someone tell me LLWD’s peak BBHot100 position and peak CHR position? ( published chart only).

    LLWD peaked at number 10 on CHR and 18 on the Hot 100.

    Other peaks on the BB100 of note (that I remember made it into the top 5):
    My Life Would Suck Without You: Kelly Clarkson: 1
    Since U Been Gone: Kelly Clarkson: 2
    Crush: David Archuleta: 2
    No Air: Jordin Sparks: 3

  29. WWFM charted for 30 weeks. I think only about 7 other songs from idol have charted longer.

    What chart you are referring?

    The pop chart is really rhythmic leaning lately. I wish it will go back to be more versatile and that songs that are not rhythmic will have a chance again at being #1.

  30. Studio57

    What chart are you using for counting the weeks something charted? I have WWFM charting for 20 weeks in the Top 40 of the Mediabase Pop chart before going recurrent. I have it in the Top 40 of the Hot AC chart for 30 weeks, though.

    I have LLWD in the Top 40 of the mediabase Pop chart for 22 weeks and in the Top 40 of the Hot AC chart for 33 weeks

    I don’t have any info on the BB charts, though

  31. You can also get archival information on how many weeks a particular song was on any of the Billboard charts on billboard.com

    For instance, here’s the page that shows the info for LLWD. As you can see, its longest chart run was on the Adult Pop (Hot AC) chart, at 30 weeks

    http://www.billboard.com/#/song/kris-allen/live-like-we-re-dying/14622174

    I don’t know how far back these Billboard archives go, but they could be helpful in putting together any sort of comprehensive AI-related list

    ETA: This info seems a little hit & miss, though. The page for WWFM, for instance, doesn’t seem to be correct

    http://www.billboard.com/#/song/adam-lambert/whataya-want-from-me/14307012

  32. “It’s Not Over”: 1 HAC (1), 1 Pop (1), 6 Rock (5), 7 Active (8), 19 Alt (20), 21 AC (25), 129 AAA (131), 235 Rhy (399)

    Very impressive, however all this great info leads to a question…what chart does Active represent. :mrgreen: (never heard of it) (is this as opposed to in-active… :lol: )

  33. dhunken

    Active refers to Active Rock — so it is one of the Rock radio charts

  34. Girlygirl and luly- I am talking about charting on Billboard Hot100 only. But the chart includes the peak position on CHR.

    Like I said, I am still working on this chart that justgill formatted for me to make sure all the info is correct. If you have info on LLWD I would appreciate it. I know it debuted on Hot100 at #89 and that it peaked at #18, and that it’s peak CHR position was #10. I still need the date and week it peaked on BBHot100, and how many weeks it charted on BBHot100.

    If someone has access to CHR postions for Idol singles and would like to help, I could sure use it, lol.

    The country singers I am really having trouble with because I don’t know if the radio peak positions I have for them are from CHR or the country charts. I imagine only Carrie and maybe a couple of others made BBHot100, correct?

  35. Studio57

    According to the chart history page on billboard.com, LLWD was on the BB Top 100 for 28 weeks and peaked at #18 the week of 3/13/10

  36. File this under strange but true…..IIHY is #48 on the AC chart. I doubt it will ever get a whole lot higher, but it is amusing that it charted in the top 50 at all.

  37. Anoop moves up some more on the pop chart:

    281 149 ANOOP DESAI All Is Fair (Crazy Love) 19 4 15 0.015

  38. POP (below #50)

    57 65 DAVID ARCHULETA Something ‘Bout Love 170 208 -38 0.499
    62 76 KRIS ALLEN The Truth f/Pat Monahan 115 151 -36 0.49
    109 109 DAVID ARCHULETA Elevator 46 47 -1 0.114
    +2 spins
    -3 bullet
    +0.012 AI
    135 132 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 29 30 -1 0.235
    281 149 ANOOP DESAI All Is Fair (Crazy Love) 19 4 15 0.015
    +3 spins
    +3 bullet
    +0.002 AI

  39. File this under strange but true…..IIHY is #48 on the AC chart. I doubt it will ever get a whole lot higher, but it is amusing that it charted in the top 50 at all.

    heh, that’s funny. awesome!!

  40. mmb

    IIHY got added by an AC station in Grand Rapids, Michigan last week — and it gave the song 26 spins. So that’s probably why it’s charting :)

  41. iTunes

    #33 – IIHY
    #56 – September
    #120 – Undo It
    #141 – Mama’s Song
    #184 – WWFM
    #552 – LLWD
    #584 – Bittersweet
    #790 – TT

  42. Billboard posted a list of the top-10 album sellers from AI based on combined sales for all their albums. Here’s how the seasons are represented in the top 10:

    s1: 1 (winner)
    s2: 2 (winner + runner up)
    s3: 1 (winner)
    s4: 1 (winner)
    s5: 2 (4th place + 6th place)
    s6: 1 (winner)
    s7: 2 (winner + runner up)

    Perhaps I do not understand this list but should it include….

    s8: 1 (runner up)?

    Regarding the Billboard Hot 100 #1 and Pop Airplay #1, so very odd songs hit number 1 — but very little rock music in the past 5 years at #1.

    June 28, 2008 “Viva la Vida” Coldplay (pop song by a rock artist)

    Maroon 5 did the same thing in 2007 — hit #1 with a pop song.

    I can’t find a rock #1 going back to 2005. But I guess it depends how you classify the soft pop-rock songs like “Bad Day” by Daniel Powter. I would not call this rock music but that is really subject to debate.

  43. Perhaps I do not understand this list but should it include….

    s8: 1 (runner up)?

    No. Nobody from s8 ranks among the top 10 overall album sellers from AI yet. Insert disclaimer about having less time and all that but this is just Billboard’s current list.

    If you click on the link it’ll give you the total album sales of each of the top 10 album sellers who’ve come from AI. I just thought it was interesting to use that list to generate how the different AI seasons are represented.

  44. girlygirl and springboard- thanks for that link! The only thing is on the WWFM page it says it only charted for 11 weeks, so I think it might be inaccurate, as I know it charted longer. LLWD could be more than 28 weeks for all I know.

  45. You all have charts lol??

    Anyways, it’s cool Carrie is gaining spins with Undo It on HAC. I think it has the most crossover potential of her singles in a long time.

  46. girlygirl:
    09/27/2010 at 10:49 am

    dhunken

    Active refers to Active Rock — so it is one of the Rock radio charts

    Thanks Girlygirl,,,,I feel so clueless when it comes to many of these charts. I swear I don’t get the difference between this and AAA. I know there are differences but it so subtle I don’t know how significant it is to have an entirely separate chart. Again thanks for clarifying. I had a feeling it was in the rock genre. :-)

  47. Here are actual numbers from the BB article about Top 10 cumulative sales.

    Total U.S. Album Sales, Artist
    11,886,000, Carrie Underwood
    10,621,000, Kelly Clarkson
    5,898,000, Daughtry (Chris Daughtry)
    4,973,000, Clay Aiken
    2,555,000, Fantasia
    2,551,000, Ruben Studdard
    1,313,000, David Cook
    1,299,000, Kellie Pickler
    1,265,000, Jordin Sparks
    973,000, David Archuleta

    I’m surprised that Pickler has sold more albums than Jordin Sparks. S5 is the craziest Idol season of all. Highly doubtful the 4 and 6th place finishers will ever outsell the Top 2 again. ;)

  48. Interesting. So, lets see.. who has made it to 3 major label (non christmas) albums so far? All I can think of is Kelly, Carrie, Fanny, Clay and maybe Josh Gracin? How many albums is Mandisa on? What about Rueben? I guess if you count his gospel album… Kellie should be recording hers too right? Daughtry is most definitely getting another. Jury’s out on Jordin I guess.

    Trying to get a handle on the career longevity thing.

    I can’t find a rock #1 going back to 2005.

    I think it depends on how you define rock song, like you said. I wouldn’t have called Vida la Vida a pop song, myself. Or the Maroon 5 track, it is def pop-rock to me.

    Anyway, the #1 on the Hot 100 thing is a tad deceptive since the formula favors simultaneous cross format hits, and rock songs tend to cross over after they have peaked on rock. There are lots of smashes of all kinds that never hit number 1 partly for that reason, IMO.

  49. gangreen29:
    09/27/2010 at 11:39 am
    You all have charts lol??

    People are always asking about sales and chart positions here, and I had once copied a database that someone made with idol singles, but it stopped being updated around the time of LLWD and WWFM, so I decided to just update it. Don’t understand what the lol is about- people in the numbers thread usually love that stuff?

  50. People are always asking about sales and chart positions here, and I had once copied a database that someone made with idol singles, but it stopped being updated around the time of LLWD and WWFM, so I decided to just update it. Don’t understand what the lol is about- people in the numbers thread usually love that stuff?

    I love it! :mrgreen: and humbly offer my thanks and gratitude that you took the time during your downtime to update the chart and give Me some idea of how idols are doing in selling and charting with their singles.

  51. Studio57: that cumulative album sales comes from here:

    LOL. No it doesn’t. Billboard gets its info straight from Soundscan. Wiki gets it from Billboard but hasn’t updated the numbers. The numbers jpfan posted are from the Billboard article I posted.

    tinawina: Josh’s sophomore album was his last one with Lyric Street and it was a limited release (Lyric Street doesn’t exist anymore). Mandisa’s Freedom was her 2nd non Christmas album but I’d guess she’ll get to release another one with Sparrow too.

    Interesting Billboard article with 1st week projections for a lot of the big Q4 releases like Taylor Swift, Kanye, Kenny Chesney, BEP, Rihanna, KOL, Sugarland, and Nicki Minaj.

  52. Thanks Studio and windmils!

    So at 3+ albums we have Kelly, Carrie, Fanny, Clay and Reuben

    Soon to be 3 is Kellie, Mandisa and Daughtry

    Season 5 kicks ass. LOL. I keep forgetting about all of those guys.

    That’s not such a horrible track record for Idol, in terms of sustained careers. People had decent runs, even if they are not high profile runs.

    The up and coming class:

    At 2 we have Jordin, Josh (sorta), Bucky, Elliot and Archie

    Soon to be 2 is Cook, Adam, possibly Kris (anyone else??)

    We’ll see if anyone out of this group makes it to 3 or more!!

  53. windmills- The BB article is dated September 24th. The info on wiki has been there and updated weekly for alot longer than that. I meant that you can find the same info there. They both get their info from soundscan probably- I don’t think it’s really important which came first.

  54. I get such a kick out of the numbers thread because it is always all about proving an Artist’s “worth” while regurgitating a whole universe of numbers without any correlation to time and place. Sorry to say that numbers just don’t live in a vacuum…there are always tons of forces outside of the Artist that control the numbers game. It’s like a football player that continual breaks records for his school..but who factors in the competition, his own team mates, weather etc. The numbers look really nice but don’t even begin to tell the real story.

    And my favorite of all is comparing Artists numbers of 10 years ago to those of today. Different time, different situation. True statistics are done in a controlled environment with all conditions being exact…but hell, that is boring and doesn’t provide controversy.

  55. Tess –

    I get a kick out of the numbers myself. I just wish that we had such in depth info on all new artists. That would be fascinating. My last job dealt with promotion and market trends so I’m predisposed to liking these threads.

  56. I’m willing to wait. This is still “pet rock v2.0? to me.

    Was there a pet rock v.2? BB is predicting the “Season of Susan” but since this is a Xmas album it’ll be off the charts in January. ;) Of course, all she has to do is sell 3 million albums and she’ll have the album of the year. It’s absolutely possible.

  57. I don’t get why Jive hasn’t given Elevator an adds date yet.

    Perhaps they are re-thinking single #2, or #1. or whatever. Tweet from AOL Radio

    AOLRadio So for you Archie fans: Now that you’ve heard the CD, what should be his next single after ‘Elevator’?

  58. koshka:
    I’m willing to wait. This is still “pet rock v2.0? to me.

    Pet rocks were at least something of an original idea. Originality is something there isn’t so much as one atom of in SuBo’s vocals.

  59. Was there a pet rock v.2? BB is predicting the “Season of Susan” but since this is a Xmas album it’ll be off the charts in January.
    So just two months of SuBo domination.

    I don’t get too wrapped about it. I haven’t thought about it too much.. but the interesting thing that I’m inconsistent with my dislike of her. On one hand I’m fine with ke$ha’s and studio manufactured music as long as everyone knows that the live performances suck.. I think there is a level of artistry & originality that can happen in a studio to produce a product. Where as with Subo I don’t get a whole lot of originality, hence my dislike. But if people are willing to be parted with their cash, who am I to hold them back. *shrug*

  60. AOLRadio So for you Archie fans: Now that you’ve heard the CD, what should be his next single after ‘Elevator’?

    Seriously? Why doesn’t Jive just release the whole album! They better get their ducks in a row.

  61. Susan Boyle is an anomoly in the music industry…she isn’t the first and definitely won’t be the last. These are “singers” (and I use that term loosely) that are more about back stories and time and place than actual talent. The peeps buying her records are not normally “buyers”…they are buying for gifts, or because purchasing her album makes them feel good, or because they feel sorry for Susan and haven’t yet come to terms with understanding that she is making a ton off of their “concern” for this poor unfortunate soul.

    If she was singing new stuff and touring and promoting herself then I would give her more cred. She is like “Glee”…an abreviated and less taxing way of saying someone is “withit” and supporting the current music fad. But the truth is they are just sheep following the shepard and have no real musical sense.

  62. Im fully expecting SuBo to crush everyone again this year :) Last year she was completely underestimated and I truly think she will be again. There were predictions that once Xmas was over last year her album would drop off the face of the earth, nope didnt happen. IMO she’ll easily sell another couple of million.

    I’m really getting concerned about how Jive is handling Archie’s singles. Sigh. I was hoping they would have got their ass in gear and ramped up airplay by the time the CD dropped.

  63. Speaking of Q4 CD sales predictions, has anyone seen any projections on what Archie’s CD is expected to sell in its 1st week?

  64. Here’s one person who won’t be buying either the new Taylor Swift or the new SueBo album. But I think they’ll be able to survive without my $12-$20 :)

  65. Yeah I agree, SuBo is going to sell like hotcakes. A Christmas album release should rake it in, those are just not expected to be original music so the most common argument against her holds no weight. It’s the perfect go to Christmas gift for people who assume their older relatives and friends must love her and may even be bought by additional people who didn’t buy her original but just love holiday music. She is going to crush everyone else on sales.

  66. No. Nobody from s8 ranks among the top 10 overall album sellers from AI yet. Insert disclaimer about having less time and all that but this is just Billboard’s current list.

    Oh, duh! I completely misread that description — too earlier in the morning for me! Thanks!

    ETA: Billboard 200 is based on Soundscan, the Wiki page is based on Soundscan — same source.

  67. I haven’t heard any predictions of album sales for either Archie or Lee. It’s going to be interesting to see how the first week of sales goes for all the Idols coming out this Fall and next Spring.

  68. Studio57: The BB article is dated September 24th. The info on wiki has been there and updated weekly for alot longer than that. I meant that you can find the same info there. They both get their info from soundscan probably- I don’t think it’s really important which came first.

    Wrong again. The Wiki page cites the Billboard article for the total sales (check the 1st footnote) which means the Wiki page got its info FROM the Billboard article. The people who maintain Wiki pages don’t get direct access to Soundscan. Anybody can edit stuff onto Wiki pages and it’s usually fans who try to stay on top of those things based on the usual sources like Billboard and Brian Mansfield of Idol Chatter and Yahoo Chart Watch by Paul Grein. Unfortunately that’s why Wiki pages get trolled so often too.

  69. Billboard album numbers are Soundscan numbers. If someone did post a Soundscan number that was not from a secondary source on WIki, it could have no reference footnote and would be quickly revised to Wiki standards.

    A lot of the numbers on the Idol Wiki pages come from USA Today’s Idol Chatter — Brian’s rounded Soundscan numbers –, other articles including Billboard articles that quote Soundscan numbers, and a few are from Soundscan leaks posted online.

    Although posted by fans, I rarely find bad numbers on the Idol wiki pages, when trolled they are corrected quickly. A few Idols pages, like Ruben’s, are not well maintained and dated. And some albums that are selling at low rates have older totals because there is no current published data.

  70. Does anyone know what this tweet is about? Is is just a rogue tweet from AOLRadio or is Jive going to try a 3rd single? Have they actually released Elevator to radio?

    AOLRadio: So for you Archie fans: Now that you’ve heard the CD, what should be his next single after ‘Elevator’?

    Right now Crush has more airplay than SBL or Elevator — I do not understand Jive at all!

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2010/09/idol-airplay-spins-increase-for-daughtry-carrie-underwood-fantasia-and-adam-lambert/1

  71. Americans are impulse shoppers – especially at Christmas time. You couldn’t turn around in a chain store last Christmas without knocking over SuBo’s albums – rows and rows of them. On the other hand, our new S8 idols’ albums were few and far between. Fans reported not being able to find them AT ALL… And now – all of the promotion is going to SuBo again.

    19E is British with strong ties to Sony, an international conglomerate. Susan Boyle is British and a Sony artist. I am an American but have lived outside of the US for most of my life and I know what other people think of Americans. For two years I lived in England. I loved it, but believe it or not, they haven’t forgotten the Revolutionary War… LOL. They know our buying habits. If they have a limited promotion budget and they can push a British artist over an American, they’re going to do it every time. I’m still smarting for 19E choosing one of their British artists’ “boot song” to highlight on AMERICAN idol when to choose one of our idols – like Kris’ “Let It Rain” would have made sense and promoted our people… Funny thing is, there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. They’ve got us, and our idols, totally in their pockets.

  72. Wrong again. The Wiki page cites the Billboard article for the total sales (check the 1st footnote) which means the Wiki page got its info FROM the Billboard article. The people who maintain Wiki pages don’t get direct access to Soundscan. Anybody can edit stuff onto Wiki pages and it’s usually fans who try to stay on top of those things based on the usual sources like Billboard and Brian Mansfield of Idol Chatter and Yahoo Chart Watch by Paul Grein. Unfortunately that’s why Wiki pages get trolled so often too.

    I’m not sure what the argument is at the moment, but the figures from wiki are mostly quite solid. Yes, all the numbers comes from various places like Idol Chatter, Yahoo, Billboard or wherever, but they are all referenced.

    The thing is that if you look closely, you’d find that Ruben number from wiki is 2,557,000, but the Billboard one is 2,551,000. Now somebody has made a mistake there, but in wiki you can check all the numbers yourself, but you’d have no idea how Billboard come to get that number or if they have missed something. Since wiki’s numbers are often off by a bit because some may not have been updated for a while, therefore the total should be even higher, you might then susupect that Billboard has missed counting an album.

    Jordin’s a few other idols’ numbers from Billboard are much higher than if you add up their album numbers in wiki, but that is because Billboard’s numbers include EPs, which wiki page specifically excludes for whatever reason.

  73. Does anyone know what this tweet is about? Is is just a rogue tweet from AOLRadio or is Jive going to try a 3rd single? Have they actually released Elevator to radio?

    It means AOL is trying to get more hits for their site. Nothing more. I don’t think the staff manning the AOL radio twitter have any inside scoop on what Jive’s next move is.

  74. I’m not sure what the argument is at the moment, but the figures from wiki are mostly quite solid. Yes, all the numbers comes from various places like Idol Chatter, Yahoo, Billboard or wherever, but they are all referenced.

    It all comes down to the source, Billboard gets their information from the only source that matters, Soundscan, and Wiki is a site that’s updated/compiled by ordinary people, in this case, fans. It would be different if the Wiki information couldn’t be changed by any and everybody, and it it was being updated with someone who had a direct contact with Soundscan. No reputable college allows their students to use Wiki as a research source, it’s a nice tool, but how the information is compiled should not be ignored.

  75. AOLRadio: So for you Archie fans: Now that you’ve heard the CD, what should be his next single after ‘Elevator’?

    What is JIVE doing? Did they even listen to Archie’s album before they released SBL and Elevator? Again, they have done another sorry job of releasing singles. Why start talking about a third single, when they just released Elevator to the radio?

  76. Hazehel: The thing is that if you look closely, you’d find that Ruben number from wiki is 2,557,000, but the Billboard one is 2,551,000. Now somebody has made a mistake there, but in wiki you can check all the numbers yourself, but you’d have no idea how Billboard come to get that number or if they have missed something.

    The difference is likely because of sales at Christian accounts for Ruben’s gospel album. Those appear in weekly Soundscan totals but not in cumulative totals from Soundscan. I don’t think anybody’s ever been able to explain why that is but it’s just one of those quirks.

    The Billboard/Wiki was just a citation thing about the original source of the cumulative album sales total. It was very clearly Billboard not Wiki. As far as original sources places like Billboard/USA Today Idol Chatter/Yahoo Chart Watch qualify, Wiki doesn’t. But Wiki’s a good place to aggregate secondary sources like you and Q3 are saying and there’s a bunch of hard working people who keep it that way.

    IMO SuBo’s not going to do anywhere near as well as she did last year but she will still end up with one of 2010’s top 10 best sellers and maybe top 5 best sellers. The only person likely to challenge Eminem and Lady A for 2010’s best selling album is Taylor Swift. I feel like the response to her new songs (Mine and that song she sang about Kanye at the VMAs) hasn’t been as great but I’m not betting against somebody who’s getting that much airplay on country, CHR/Pop, HAC, and AC. Too, she’s great to her fans and so they’re very loyal.

  77. Why start talking about a third single, when they just released Elevator to the radio?

    Jive isn’t talking about a third single, AOL Radio is, and they are only doing it for hits.

  78. Studio57: The BB article is dated September 24th. The info on wiki has been there and updated weekly for alot longer than that. I meant that you can find the same info there. They both get their info from soundscan probably- I don’t think it’s really important which came first.

    Wrong again. The Wiki page cites the Billboard article for the total sales (check the 1st footnote) which means the Wiki page got its info FROM the Billboard article. The people who maintain Wiki pages don’t get direct access to Soundscan. Anybody can edit stuff onto Wiki pages and it’s usually fans who try to stay on top of those things based on the usual sources like Billboard and Brian Mansfield of Idol Chatter and Yahoo Chart Watch by Paul Grein. Unfortunately that’s why Wiki pages get trolled so often

    And Brian Mansfield and Billboard indirectly have to get their info from soundscan like I said in my post. I don’t think it is that big of a deal- obviously, you do :)

    And thanks for understanding what I was saying, Q3 ;)

  79. 13 14 FANTASIA J RECORDS/RMG 13,097 BACK TO ME

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

    Fantasia is doing well with her album sales. It does look like it has legs. I think that she might have been better off releasing “Man of The House” as her second single instead of “I’m Doin’ me”. But maybe “I’m doing me”, could end up doing decently for her.

    And maybe they can release “Man of the House” as the third single and that will help her push more units. Based on the estimates so far from HDD it looks like she might be at least possibly around 225,000 or greater for albums sold, once Brian posts the numberson Wednesday. Maybe she will go at least Gold for this album.

    Hopefully Jive will help Archie get a song on radio that will get him decent airplay somewhere. His album comes out like next week, so they need to try and help him. While they are figuring out how to help him on radio, I hope that they are also making sure he gets some good national promotion. I think that some national promotion would help him out with his first week sales.

  80. Studio57: And Brian Mansfield and Billboard indirectly have to get their info from soundscan like I said in my post.

    No, Billboard gets info directly from Soundscan since it is a subscriber. Brian gets his info directly from a Soundscan subscriber. People who post at Wiki get rounded numbers from sources like Billboard and Brian Mansfield without any access to Soundscan. Look you were clearly wrong about Wiki’s source since you said it had the cumulative sales numbers longer than Billboard did. Just as long as you understand that then there’s no issue.

    Hmmmm…this Billboard article says Sony Nashville is expecting Kenny Chesney to sell 300k next week but the earlier Billboard article said 225k with 400k shipped. It’ll be interesting seeing how that goes. He’s got the #1 song on country radio right now but it’s not a song I like too much. The main part of the article is talking about Lil Wayne’s digital 1st release strategy. The physical album’s coming out 2 weeks after the digital album. It’s interesting to read.

  81. The difference is likely because of sales at Christian accounts for Ruben’s gospel album. Those appear in weekly Soundscan totals but not in cumulative totals from Soundscan.

    I’m not really sure why exactly, because I have seen cumulative figures from Soundscan, same chart but posted by different people (who are reliable posters), that are different for some reason. Some people have said its due to Christian sales, but I’m not really sure. Just one of those weirdness of the chart.

    I’m not sure if the Christian sales thing is an explanation for the discrepancy of Ruben’s number, because I think the numbers from Idol Chatter don’t normally include them, but perhaps someone can correct me on that.

  82. I’ve very happy to see Fantasia’s numbers holding up. I think this is turning into my favorite Idol album ever.

    Fans of old school Motown should at least download Collard Greens and Cornbeard written by Ashford and Simpsons. It’s AMAZING. I also like Move On Me, actually almost every song is a winner. If Elliott Yamin could put out an album 1/2 this amazing, I’d be completely satisfied as an Idol fan.

  83. Does anyone have the Billboard Hot100 positions and/or CHR peaks for any of these? I can dig it up myself just thought someone would be able to get it quicker, no biggie.

    SOS
    The Truth
    Somethin Bout Love
    September
    Undo It
    Mama’s Song
    Bittersweet

    And windmills- if Brian gets his numbers from a soundscan subscriber, that would be INDIRECTLY from sounscan, lol. I am really done splitting hairs and sentence structure, aren’t you? :)

  84. Studio57

    Again, LLWD peaked at #18 (chart dated March 13, 2010)on the BB Hot 100. It peaked at #10 on the Mediabase CHR chart (chart for 3/14/2010).

    Neither SBL nor The Truth made the BB Hot 100; TT’s peak position on the Mediabase CHR chart was #52 (chart for July 11, 2010). An Archie fan should be able to confirm/deny this. but I think SBL peaked at #48 on the Mediabase CHR chart, maybe 2-3 weeks ago?

  85. Studio57: Billboard’s access is still direct and Brian’s still in a different situation than fans who update Wiki who lack any access to Soundscan. That’s a matter of accuracy not splitting hairs and it addresses the inaccuracies in your original comments :)

    Undo It peaked at #23 on the BB Hot 100.

    Mama’s Song charted at #77 on the BB Hot 100 because of downloads last year. It hasn’t reentered since becoming a single.

    By the way, IdolsNow tweeted out a bunch of updated Billboard airplay chart positions for the week.

  86. And windmills- if Brian gets his numbers from a soundscan subscriber, that would be INDIRECTLY from sounscan

    Brian’s source makes him round the numbers, so that could be one reason why the numbers that people take from his site don’t match up with the numbers that come from Billboard.

  87. girlygirl

    If the question is about HAC, Daughtry have had 4 #1 songs there. INO, Home, FLT and No Surprise. They’ve had 8 consecutive Top 5 songs on that format.

  88. Matt’s song with Jim Brickman is holding at #23 on the AC chart with a positive bullet.

    23 23 JIM BRICKMAN Thank You 182 172 10 28 6.5 6.1 +0.4

    It is increasing in spins on the stations that are playing it, which is currently 28 stations. I am pleased that it has received an add so far today from a completely new station in Melbourne, FL, bringing total adds to 22. Last week it briefly bumped up to #22, but was passed by Seal after Seal got a syndicated spin. I wish Matt could get one of these!

  89. Billboard’s access is still direct and Brian’s still in a different situation than fans who update Wiki who lack any access to Soundscan.

    One thing I should say is that even if someone who has access to Soundscan do post their latest numbers to wiki, their numbers will be deleted. Wiki numbers are based on sources that can be checked by other people, that means those already published in a reliable site.

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  91. An Archie fan should be able to confirm/deny this. but I think SBL peaked at #48 on the Mediabase CHR chart, maybe 2-3 weeks ago?

    You are correct about #48 for SBL. It hit 48 for the first time Aug. 29, hung there for a couple of days, dropped slightly and on Sept.5 was again at #48.

  92. I can’t be the only one that thinks they are overestimating on Swift.

    I dunno, I’m predicting around 600k-650k her first week myself. She may not sell what they’re predicting her first week but I dont blame them for shipping that many. IMO shes going to sell like gangbustas for many weeks.

  93. Trina:
    I dunno, I’m predicting around 600k-650k her first week myself. She may not sell what they’re predicting her first week but I dont blame them for shipping that many. IMO shes going to sell like gangbustas for many weeks.

    The astounding thing about that is many of those albums will be bought by peeps who have heard Taylor Swift perform live and should realize that she really can’t sing at all.

    I suppose P. T. Barnum was right! ;)

  94. She’ll totally sell for weeks or years, but the first week prediction seems high to me. Maybe after Mine hasn’t done total gangbusters and KP’s album sales being low after two huge hits.

    The record company did say a million a few months ago, so they’ve lower their expectations somewhat already.

  95. Here are actual numbers from the BB article about Top 10 cumulative sales.

    Total U.S. Album Sales, Artist
    11,886,000, Carrie Underwood
    10,621,000, Kelly Clarkson

    I think making these comparisons on US sales only results in some strange rankings — Carrie is not #1 in worldwide sales, Kelly is.

    I know that it is difficult to get accurate sales from some countries — like the #2 market Japan — but there are accurate numbers for the UK, Australia, NZ, Singapore, and very close estimates in a dozen other countries.

    Just adding up the album sales from Certifications outside the US — which understates total sales.

    Kelly 3,545K (Most of this is from Breakaway 2004)

    Carrie: 320K (All from Canada)

    One other big change, if you add in certified international sales, Jordin moves up two spots.

    Looking only at US sales overstates that rank of Country artists because their sales are heavily in the US.

  96. I think making these comparisons on US sales only results in some strange rankings

    What? If you are measuring comparative US sales of various artists, how can the results be strange? The sales are what they are, they are not strange. I think most people are interested primarily in the domestic sales, especially considering not all artists are marketed in other countries and as you say, getting reliable numbers for sales outside the US is difficult in some countries, impossible in others. How those totals could be less strange than the domestic figures escapes me.

  97. What? If you are measuring comparative US sales of various artists, how can the results be strange? The sales are what they are, they are not strange. I think most people are interested primarily in the domestic sales, especially considering not all artists are marketed in other countries and as you say, getting reliable numbers for sales outside the US is difficult in some countries, impossible in others. How those totals could be less strange than the domestic figures escapes me.

    IMO ranking the Idols by US album sales gives you a strange results — the numbers themselves are not strange — they are what they are. It is the ranking that is strange.

    Lots of the Idol alums had international marketing efforts and most had international releases. A few examples: Carrie’s debut album was released in 14 countries outside of North America and her last album was released in 23 countries outside of North America — country music just didn’t sell well outside of North America. Archie’s debut album was released in 11 countries outside of North America. Cook’s album was released in at least 5 countries outside of North America — Finland, New Zealand, Japan, Brazil and the UK. (Cook’s album may have been released in other markets but I can’t find a reliable list.)

    On the main point, I find three things strange about ranking total Idol album sales over time for just the US and saying it means anything.

    1. Number of albums. The number of albums you release gives an artist an advantage. Cook has one album, Archie has two, Clay has five albums.

    2. Album market shrinking dramatically. Album sales peaked in 2000 and have been declining since then — globally and in the US. The earlier in the decade an album was released the better shot it had of selling a lot. US album sales, including digital downloads, in 2009 fell to 373.9 million units down 13% from 2008. Down 44% from 666.7 million units in 2004. So, for example, Cook and Archie are not on a level playing field with Kelly, Clay or even Daughtry.

    What does rank ordering album sales over a period when the format is dying really mean? With 2010 setting new record lows, some industry analysts predict albums as we know them will start to vanish in the next 2 to 3 years.

    At the least Billboard could rack the Idols by album equivalents to incorporate the shift to track sales vs. album sales.

    3. US only.
    Does selling an album in the UK or Canada mean less than selling it in the US? Even Idol album was released in Canada. Many were released in many countries. Is the country that an artist is marketed in matter any more then the sub-markets within the US?

    The ranking based on US sales puts Carrie #1 and Kelly #2 — but in total album sales Kelly has sold about 30% more albums than Carrie. Carrie may well pass Kelly at some point but just because Kelly sells a lot of album in Canada, UK, Europe, Oz, etc. they should not be forgotten. Billboard continues to do these Idol rankings on US sales and that just is not in sync with the globalization of the music industry. Many US artists sell 50% of there music outside of the US. There is reliable sales tracking in many countries — just not done by Nielsen Soundscan.


    4. Album sales now mean less to the labels’ bottom lines.
    Over 40% of the major label revenues comes from sources other than albums — the business in shifting rapidly to licensing vs. sales as a primary source of income. Billboard’s model is based on measuring sales and airplay. They have no measures of most of these other sources of income.

    5. People are consuming music in new ways – legally.
    The internet has passed radio as the #1 way people in North America, most of Europe, Japan and several countries in Asia find new music and listen to music. Nielsen measures a few streaming media services but not even a representative sample.

    JMHO but I do not understand what rank ordering Idol albums like this actually means. Equalize the music sales to album equivalents, reflect global sales, adjust for the dramatic increase is piracy and do something to adjust for time and number of albums, and maybe it could be informative. Figure out how to account for video sales, ringtones, video sales and music licensing revenue, and I would be interested in that list.

  98. OMG, sorry, your post is just waaaaaay too long to read, lol. I just don’t have the patience to read any comments more than a paragraph or two in length.

  99. I’m not onboard with dismissing previous sales and accomplishments. I understand album sales are down but there are still albums that sell millions. It can’t all be blamed on decreased sales when Lady A and Eminem just sold over 2 million this year. And it should be noted that even 7 or 4 years ago with better album sales overall everyone still performed at different levels.

    The show’s popularity has steadily fallen, there has been imo an oversaturation of “Idol’s” in the market, and the music perhaps just hasn’t caught on as much as other releases in the past. It doesn’t mean the music is bad, who knows why some releases catch the public’s imagination over others. I only know it happens.

    Where albums rank, how long they hold on a chart, where a single peaks, how many formats it charts on…there are ways to measure alums across the years if people are intent on doing so. For the most part the rankings would remain about the same using those methods. Or people could just compare the releases from “Idol’s” in the last year. Same environment, same economy, different sales figures. Then the retort to that would be that some are established to which others would reply but those off the show have the advantage of still having that after Idol glow. That fanbase that hangs on a year or two before they move to the next one. It never ends when that game is played.

  100. thank you again Q3 for your information, very interesting, I appreciate the detail and long post.

  101. I’m not onboard with dismissing previous sales and accomplishments. I understand album sales are down but there are still albums that sell millions. It can’t all be blamed on decreased sales when Lady A and Eminem just sold over 2 million this year. And it should be noted that even 7 or 4 years ago with better album sales overall everyone still performed at different levels.

    Actually I do not think that previous sales should be dismissed but I think they should be viewed in context. I think Kelly credit for her significant international sales. And Cook should get respect for going Platinum when far fewer artist did it in 2008 vs. 2004.

    Look at Eminem’s US album sales — he is about as far from Idol as possible and the same thing is going on.

    2000 The Marshall Mathers LP US 10.2 million (peak year for US album sales)
    2002 The Eminem Show US 9.8 million
    2004 Encore US 5.1 million
    2009 Relapse US 2.0 million
    2010 Recovery US 2.6 million

    I do not think that decline reflects the decline in Eminem’s popularity, it is paralleled artist after artist. It is the effect of widespread access to digital music — partially in track sales but more from piracy.

    The show’s popularity has steadily fallen, there has been imo an oversaturation of “Idol’s” in the market, and the music perhaps just hasn’t caught on as much as other releases in the past. It doesn’t mean the music is bad, who knows why some releases catch the public’s imagination over others. I only know it happens.

    I also agree that Idol has issues with declining ratings and an older audience for the later seasons. The novelty of Idol has clearly worn off. But look at Carrie — she is filling arenas, she seems to be more popular than ever. And even her album sales are down.

    #1 2005 US 7 million units
    #2 2007 US 3.2 million units
    #3 2009 US 1.7 million units (still selling)

  102. It’s true that it’s impossible to get worldwide sales numbers. We can only estimate them from information about certifications. Well, the label knows how many albums their artist sold worldwide and they sometimes include the number in press releases. For Kelly, it is believed that she sold over 20 million albums worldwide, I would say at least 22 million. So, as far as I’m concerned, she is the best selling Idol.

    Well, Wikipedia says that Kelly sold 23 million albums and 36 million singles …

    I also agree that it’s hard to compare album sales over the years, because albums are just not selling like they used to.

  103. Yes, album sales are down. Everyone knows that. But it’s still interesting to see actual numbers.To me the fairest way to compare album sales is by chart ranking. Eminem is on line to have the #1 album of 2010. Just like his past albums had #1 ranking. So obviously, he’s still very popular.

    I don’t have a problem with a chart of album sales in the US. They’re hard enough to get. But I certainly don’t argue that Kelly Clarkson has sold the most albums worldwide. It’s just that Carrie has sold the most in the U.S. I’m lost as to why that’s strange.

    And the chart may be misleading because it’s cumulative sales but that’s indicated as well. I’m sure there’s another chart around with individual album sales but this isn’t that. ;)

  104. There is no perfect way to “rank” idols IMO. They are in different genres, released with different strategies, at different points in the music business. And really “ranking” them would be pointless anyway.

    To me, the Billboard list is a rough snapshot of how the idols have done in the US so far. Its not perfect, but it at least serves as a source for data and a place to start a conversation.

  105. Cook’s album was released in at least 5 countries outside of North America — Finland, New Zealand, Japan, Brazil and the UK. (Cook’s album may have been released in other markets but I can’t find a reliable list.)

    Released and promoted are two different things. Cook really never had international promotion to speak of.

  106. Zastine4974:
    09/28/2010 at 9:10 am
    Released and promoted are two different things. Cook really never had international promotion to speak of.

    That’s something I hope they will correct with the release of his next album.

  107. Question for the experts out there – How many idols have been promoted internationally and have had albums released internationally? Is what RCA is doing with Adam unusual? He had a major international promotion tour and now is scheduled for over 30 overseas concerts. Just curious, I’m not that familiar with past idols and how they have been promoted. It seems like RCA has a definite long range plan for Adam.

  108. Question for the experts out there – How many idols have been promoted internationally and have had albums released internationally? Is what RCA is doing with Adam unusual? He had a major international promotion tour and now is scheduled for over 30 overseas concerts. Just curious, I’m not that familiar with past idols and how they have been promoted. It seems like RCA has a definite long range plan for Adam.

    Dude, we are SO not experts here. We are ass-talking for fun. LOL!

    I don’t think any other idols have had formal overseas promo off the bat. I think it has followed the usual pattern of waiting for when/if a particular act had a domestic smash and then using that to promote them overseas. Adam was clearly seen by RCA as an international pop act from the get-go and had been promoted as such, he’s being handled differently.

    That said, I’m pretty sure Kelly and Jordin has pushes after their big US hits. I guess Daughtry did too, I know his first album sold well in multiple countries. Carrie was too but she’s country… I’m not sure how much effort they put into her. Archie did well in some of the Asian countries that get Idol.

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