Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Jan 4-11

With the end of the Christmas freeze and the return of the countdown shows, this week saw some big gains. It also saw a lot of churning in the charts, even if the position changes don’t seem to show that. Some songs shot up while others dropped while the Idols just kept chugging along.

Kelly Clarkson continues to dominate the HAC chart at number 1 for the 9th week, but she may have trouble getting that 10th week because she may not be able to hold of those Fireflies for much longer. Carrie reached Top 15 in Country with her new single and Top 40 in AC with her previous single. Meanwhile, Daughtry whose been hanging just outside the top 30 on Pop finally managed to push through for that milestone. Adam managed the same feat with top 40 on HAC. Kellie and Katharine went top 20 on Country and AC respectively.

On the Pop front, there could be some movement soon. Slots 16 through 20 are filled with songs that are either already eligible to go recurrent or eligible to go recurrent in the next week or two. Slots 26-21 feature songs with gains in the range of 179-957. Each of those songs in the 26-21 range that reach the top 20 will push a recurrent eligible song below top 20 and force them to go recurrent making them disappear from the chart. Even songs above spot 16 that are dropping are eligible to go recurrent within the next few weeks. This is common at this time of year because the stagnant Christmas freeze helped these songs maintain their top 20 positions for weeks longer and now they are naturally falling down (usually, you get a song or two going recurrent each week. This next week, we could see many more). So, things could get exciting. Or not.

Here are your Monday Morning Mediabase Updates for airplay as of 4 am of 01/11/10 after the jump.


Adam Lambert:
“Whataya Want From Me”: ^34 Pop (34), ^40 HAC (42)

Carrie Underwood:
“Cowboy Casanova” : ^24 HAC (25), ^35 AC (45)
“Temporary Home” : ^15 Country (18)

Danny Gokey:
“My Best Days are Ahead”: ^44 Country (47)

Daughtry:
“Life After You”: ^12 HAC (13), ^29 Pop (32), ^36 AC (36)
“No Surprise”: ^5 AC (6)

Elliott Yamin
“Can’t Keep on Loving”: ^39 AC (39)

Jordin Sparks:
“Battlefield”: 18 AC (18)

Katharine McPhee:
“Had it All” : ^20 AC (22)

Kellie Pickler:
“Didn’t You Know How Much I Loved You”: ^20 Country (23)

Kelly Clarkson:
“Already Gone”: 1 HAC (1), ^8 AC (10), 11 Pop (9)

Kris Allen:
“Live Like We Are Dying”: ^11 HAC (12), ^26 Pop (26), 49 CAC (49)

Mandisa:
“He is With You”: ^18 CAC (20)

Ruben Studdard:
“Don’t Make ‘Em Like…”: ^19 UAC (18)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous week. The “^” (aka “a bullet”) indicates that a song gained spins since last week

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  1. iTunes Checkpoint (Top 300)
    24 Kris Allen “Live Like We’re Dying” – lw 21
    35 Carrie Underwood “Cowboy Casanova” – lw 33
    51 Daughtry “Life After You” – lw 52
    57 Kelly Clarkson “Already Gone” – lw 45
    60 Adam Lambert “Whataya Want From Me” – lw 70
    136 Jordin Sparks “Battlefield” – lw 84
    150 Carrie Underwood “Temporary Home” – 205
    188 Daughtry “No Surprise” – lw 148
    191 Adam Lambert “For Your Entertainment” – lw 179
    219 Kellie Pickler “Didn’t You Know How Much I Loved You” -290
    240 Kelly Clarkson “My Life Would Suck Without You” -221
    257 Carrie Underwood “Before He Cheats”- 243
    271 Kellie Pickler “Best Days of Your Life” – 220

  2. I am glad that Danny went up some spots on the country chart. He’s only a few spots away from having a top 40 Country hit.

  3. It’s fun seeing so many S5 alums still getting radio play. There was something special about that season. Of the 11 Idols on this list, five were from Season 5!

    With so many songs going recurrent, WWFM should go Top 30 easily. Not so sure about LLWD going Top 20 but it’s certainly possible. Danny’s bullet looks abit weak on Country but maybe he’ll pick up more adds. That’s pretty key for moving up the charts across the radio formats.

  4. Seeing LLWD with a bullet over 300 is amazing.

    26 26 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 2646 2321 325 15.118

    The top 40 spins helped WWFM too.

    34 34 ADAM LAMBER Whataya Want From Me 1738 1445 293 13.364

    While, despite moving up the chart, Danny only saw 8 additional spins last week.

    47 44 DANNY GOKEY My Best Days Are Ahead Of Me 308 300 8 1.361

  5. I have pretty much stopped following the charts obsessively since I started hearing WWFM regularly on the radio but I will say that I am glad it jumped 10 points on itunes despite the post holiday sales slump.

    As for spins, I think last week some said that the spins this past week are artificially high because the Christmas music is gone? SO next week will be a more accurate picture? Is that right?

  6. Various countdowns over the weekend:

    AT40: LLWD debuted at #29; Life After You also debuted (around #33-ish IIRC, they haven’t updated the website yet), and LLWD moved up to #16 on their HAC countdown. WWFM was one of the AT40 breakdown songs this weekend.

    Rick Dees: LLWD debuted at #36 on the Top 40 countdown, up to #16 on HAC countdown.

    VH1 Countdown:
    Life After You #3
    LLWD #6
    CC #7

    Three Idols in the top 10 – nice! Kelly’s MV for Already Gone dropped out.

    Hooray for recurrents coming soon!

  7. Good for Kris! LLWD is doing really well both on radio, downloads and video!

    Yay to Adam making top 40 on HAC and up 10 digits on itunes!

    We need the WWFM video ASAP!!!
    Still wondering about the mysterious disappearance of FYE MV from the VH1 countdown… but will not complain if they put up WWFM instead, ha!

  8. As for spins, I think last week some said that the spins this past week are artificially high because the Christmas music is gone? SO next week will be a more accurate picture? Is that right?

    Found this on Pulse (thanks Dan G).

    Due to holiday and year-end countdown airplay, bullets for newer songs will…
    Be lower than normal: Through January 4
    Transition from lower than normal to higher than normal: January 5-10
    Be higher than normal: January 11
    Transition from higher than normal to normal: January 12-17
    Return to normal: January 18

  9. On twitter someone tweeted that Adams vid for WWFM well debut Friday on VH1 between 6: to 10: am. Way to go Adam and Kris and all the other Idols.

  10. Top Idol airplay from Brian at USA today:
    1 1 Kelly Clarkson, Already Gone (13654) (#9 AC, #1 Hot AC, #10 Top 40)

    2 2 Daughtry, No Surprise (7025) (#5 AC)

    3 3 Carrie Underwood, Cowboy Casanova (5683) (#35 AC, #24 Hot AC)

    4 4 Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (5586) (#11 Hot AC, #27 Top 40)

    5 5 Daughtry, Life After You (5045) (#37 AC, #12 Hot AC)

    6 6 Carrie Underwood, Temporary Home (3880) (#15 Country)

    7 7 Carrie Underwood, Before He Cheats (3171)

    8 8 Daughtry, What About Now (2874)

    9 9 Daughtry, Home (2605)

    10 10 David Cook, Time Of My Life (2581)

    11 12 Kellie Pickler, Didn’t You Know How Much I Loved You (2396) (#20 Country)

    12 11 Daughtry, Feels Like Tonight (2291)

    13 16 Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me (2196) (#40 Hot AC, #34 Top 40)

    14 14 David Cook, Come Back To Me (2069)

    15 15 Kelly Clarkson, Since U Been Gone (2042)

    16 13 Kelly Clarkson, My Life Would Suck Without You (1969)

    17 19 Kelly Clarkson, Breakaway (1949)

    18 18 Kelly Clarkson, Because Of You (1711)

    19 17 Jordin Sparks, Battlefield (1592) (#18 AC)

    20 21 Daughtry, It’s Not Over (1589)

    21 20 Jordin Sparks, Tattoo (1523)

    22 24 David Cook, Light On (1487)

    23 23 Kellie Pickler, Best Days Of Your Life (1374)

    24 25 Kelly Clarkson, Behind These Hazel Eyes (1309)

    25 22 Elliott Yamin, Wait For You (1239)

    26 26 Jordin Sparks, No Air f/Chris Brown (1196)

    Top 25 in spins for all the Idols across all formats which of course includes recurrency.

  11. We need the WWFM video ASAP!!!

    LOL – yes to this! Was hoping it would air during the Fuse interview tonight, but I guess it might not be till Friday on VH1.

    Still wondering about the mysterious disappearance of FYE MV from the VH1 countdown… but will not complain if they put up WWFM instead, ha!

    I posted some theories about this before, but I think another possibility is that to a large extent (especially week after week) the MV’s on that list probably have to be helped by sizeable radio play to get enough votes beyond, say, us AI diehards, to stay high on the charts. Most (if not all) of the songs have that in their favor. FYE, unfortunately, does not (which sucks, because I still love that song – and love the MV). Though I still see the vid on MTV (haven’t watched much VH1 recently).

  12. Kristen and Brian seem to have different #s for Kris on CHR – is he 26 or 27?

  13. Go Kris! Is there a reason he is not mentioned in the article? His numbers for LLWD look pretty impressive to me.

    Grats to all the idols for their positions and moves on the charts.

  14. I think LLWD was 27 on last night’s chart and is 26 on today’s. Brian probably used the Sunday published chart.

    In a week of two, both LLWD will WWFM will benefit from songs going recurrent and there will def be significant movement for both songs.
    What article? Kirsten’s comments are just about songs that hit some milestones on radio this week.

  15. Kristen and Brian seem to have different #s for Kris on CHR – is he 26 or 27?

    The chart that Brian is using, which is the published chart for the week, last updated around 3pm yesterday afternoon, so they don’t include all of the numbers from Sunday. The numbers that Kirsten is using were updated at 4 am this morning, so they include all of the spins from Sunday.

  16. Mary102-

    You could be right…. but until we get a definite answer, it’ll remain a mystery :-)

  17. I posted some theories about this before, but I think another possibility is that to a large extent (especially week after week) the MV’s on that list probably have to be helped by sizeable radio play to get enough votes beyond, say, us AI diehards, to stay high on the charts. Most (if not all) of the songs have that in their favor. FYE, unfortunately, does not (which sucks, because I still love that song – and love the MV

    that may make sense for why the FYE video was removed from the top 20 countdown chart, but it doesn’t explain why VH1 just -poof- stopped playing it altogether…it had been playing it several times a morning for a few weeks, it then debuted in the top 20 countdown and then, one week later, gone…gone from countdown list and gone from the videos that VH1 plays on TV(altho you can still access it on the website)….I’m just curious as to why…i guess we will never know

  18. People on tweeter are saying WWFM well permiere on VH1 Friday between 6 to 10 am.

  19. Something of note: heard LLWD for the first time on OHP this weekend, meaning its Top 40 growth is paying off and getting the song nationally syndicated play. Way to go, Kris!

  20. I believe that regular VH1 forum posters have said that video placement absolutely IS based on airplay, in concert with voting, message board discussion, and initial label push. I think one can also presume that voting and board activity have a lot more influence in initially getting a song on the countdown than they do in keeping it on there over a period of weeks.

    Between that and the apparent deck-clearing for WWFM, I was not surprised to see FYE gone.

    The purges on CHR are going to be very interesting.

  21. *Sigh* But it’s such a great music video! As excited as I am to see the WWFM vid, I highly doubt it will be as good as FYE.

    I hope to be proved wrong…

  22. The one question I have about the published chart is what time is it through. In order to be accurate, shouldn’t it use the spins through midnight Sunday for each time zone? If they are only counting spins through midnight East Coast time for example, that costs these artists a bunch of spins from stations in the midwest and west.

    Anyway, congrats to Adam for cracking Top 40 on HAC and yay for he and Kris continuing to see good numbers on both charts. Did Kris fall off the AC chart, though?

    POP:
    26 26 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 2646 2321 325 15.118
    +163 Spins
    +165 Bullet
    +1.057 AI

    HAC:
    12 11 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 2282 2154 128 11.739
    +37 Spins
    +18 Bullet
    +0.290 AI

    POP:
    34 34 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1738 1445 293 13.364
    +86 Spins
    +112 Bullet
    +0.964 AI

    HAC:
    42 40 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 332 269 63 1.45
    +9 Spins
    +5 Bullet
    -0.004 AI

  23. Kris has picked up 1 add so far this morning — a Top 40 station in Toledo (not an automatic add)

    Adam has picked up 1 add in the US for WWFM — a Top 40 station in Saginaw, MI (an automatic add) and 1 in Canada

    Allison has picked up 1 add for FIBOU — a Top 40 station in Providence (an automatic add)

    Danny has picked up 2 adds for MBD — country stations in Phoenix and in Visalia-Tulare

  24. whats the difference between not an automatic add & an automatic add)

    I am sure this is a stupid question

  25. I believe that regular VH1 forum posters have said that video placement absolutely IS based on airplay, in concert with voting, message board discussion, and initial label push. I think one can also presume that voting and board activity have a lot more influence in initially getting a song on the countdown than they do in keeping it on there over a period of weeks.

    Yeah, I had a feeling this would be the case. Even if it wasn’t even the OFFICIAL reason, at the very least you have to imagine that vids like Bad Romance, which get a TON of radio play, just have that much more of an audience out there for people to go online and request it.

    That said, I’m with you, mr – I LURVE the FYE mv – Adam makes that vid, and he is smoking hot (especially those little eyebrow twitches when he’s in the chair – OMG. Ok, end fangirl moment ;-))

    Also, just because it’s not on the VH1 countdown, doesn’t mean it’s not getting airplay. I saw FYE 2x in a few hours span on MTV the other day – as much as Lady Gaga for the same time frame – not bad!

  26. Wow, surprised WWFM had that big a bullet considering it lost the OHP spins over the weekend. Radio must really be starting to play the song a lot.

    I also hear it alot on my station too, Z100. I hear LLWD on there too.
    FYE video is still at 26 on the itunes charts and yes it’s a good video! :-)

  27. whats the difference between not an automatic add & an automatic add)

    Mediabase automatically adds a song to a stations playlist if they play it a certain number of times during the week. I don’t think the number is the same for every stations, and some station owners only do automatic adds, for example Citadel. In this case, the station that added WWFM played it nine times last week, while the station that added LLWD didn’t play it at all last week. Another way to look at it is the station that added LLWD is a new add.

  28. gone from countdown list and gone from the videos that VH1 plays on TV(altho you can still access it on the website)….I’m just curious as to why…i guess we will never know

    As I said before, I’ve still seen it on MTV, and I believe Fuse as well, so it is not gone completely. I haven’t watched VH1 much recently to know for sure about that one. But at least it is on the others.

  29. Reminder:

    PLEASE don’t post headlines in this thread unless they are absolutely CHART SPECIFIC. Everything else will be deleted. Thank you.

  30. Danny just got another add from a radio station in Lafayette, LA KMDL-FM.

  31. The increases of LLWD and WWFM are mostly due to spins from Ryan’s AT40, which is heard in over 100 markets.

  32. I wonder why Daughtry’s “Life After You” isn’t showing up on HAC.

  33. The increases of LLWD and WWFM are mostly due to spins from Ryan’s AT40, which is heard in over 100 markets.

    Glad to hear WWFM made it on the countdown! IIRC, it was said before that there is a bit of a lag between songs technically hitting the Top 40 chart and actually appearing on AT40 (unless I’m remembering things incorrectly – always possible!)

  34. Glad to hear WWFM made it on the countdown! IIRC, it was said before that there is a bit of a lag between songs technically hitting the Top 40 chart and actually appearing on AT40 (unless I’m remembering things incorrectly – always possible!)

    WWFM didn’t make the countdown yet, but it will probably be on it this weekend. It was actually one of the breakout songs, and those usually make the next countdown. Based on the songs that could be falling off of the chart, I think it will come in at #40.

    The countdown is taped two weeks in advance, and it seems like since the chart was officially frozen during the last two weeks of the year, that the countdown did not pick up where it left off last year.

  35. Ahh, thanks for the clarification, babybelle32.

    I keep missing these syndicated shows: AT40, OHP. I think AT40 airs early Saturday morning in my area, so I’m usually asleep. Plus, I guess I just don’t listen to enough radio now (oh, ipod, how I love thee!)

  36. I wonder why Daughtry’s “Life After You” isn’t showing up on HAC.

    Looks like Kirsten missed posting it…it’s #12 on HAC.

  37. Now if we can just see the Vevo performance or the commercial, I’d be really happy!

  38. I wonder why Daughtry’s “Life After You” isn’t showing up on HAC.

    Looks like Kirsten missed posting it…it’s #12 on HAC.

    Since it’s right behind LLWD, does it look likely to pass it? Or, is there anything above LLWD that is falling? It’s so close to top 10.

  39. The increases of LLWD and WWFM are mostly due to spins from Ryan’s AT40, which is heard in over 100 markets.

    I don’t think the WWFM are mostly due to AT40 spins. WWFM had a few spins on OHP the week before that it didn’t have this week so I think it is a wash.

  40. Top 100 Best Selling Pop CDs at Walmart currently:

    10. Adam Lambert — For Your Entertainment
    12. Carrie Underwood — Play On
    14. Kelly Clarkson — All I Ever Wanted
    19. David Archuleta — David Archuleta
    27. Katharine McPhee — Unbroken
    30. Carrie Underwood — Some Hearts
    41. Carrie Underwood — Carnival Ride
    45. David Cook — David Cook
    51. American Idol –Season 8

  41. I like Secreat and all but why he is also on Z100? The topic from z100 DJs are much funnier.

  42. NOW IN: 54.02%

    LW TW artist / album label power index
    1 1 SUSAN BOYLE COLUMBIA 48,312
    I DREAMED A DREAM

    2 2 MARY J. BLIGE GEFFEN 31,355
    STRONGER WITH EACH TEAR
    3 3 ALICIA KEYS J RECORDS/RMG 29,983
    ELEMENT OF FREEDOM
    7 4 ALVIN & THE CHIPMUNKS RHINO 29,729
    THE SQUEAKQUEL
    5 5 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 29,565
    FAME
    — 6 KE$HA RCA/RMG 28,747
    ANIMAL
    4 7 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 23,950
    FEARLESS
    6 8 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJMG 21,681
    MY WORLD
    8 9 BLACK EYED PEAS INTERSCOPE 21,612
    E.N.D. (ENERGY NEVER DIES)
    10 10 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 19,479
    FAME MONSTER (EP)

    13 14 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 12,623
    PLAY ON

    – 22 KATHERINE MCPHEE VERVE FORECAST 8,829
    UNBROKEN

    40 47 ADAM LAMBERT 19/RCA/RMG 3,481
    FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT

  43. 40 47 ADAM LAMBERT 19/RCA/RMG 3,481
    FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT

    Oprah intervention needed!

  44. Wow! I thought Kesha would do better than that. I know it is only 50% but I was expecting a lot more.

  45. Wow! I thought Kesha would do better than that. I know it is only 50% but I was expecting a lot more.

    Judging from Keshas numbers seems like Walmart haven’t reported yet?

  46. That Chipmunks album is still cracking me up. #4. Really?

    Those toddlers haven’t figures out the file sharing sites yet I guess.

  47. 40 47 ADAM LAMBERT 19/RCA/RMG 3,481
    FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT

    Oprah intervention needed!

    I hope it stays on top50 so that we can have some early estimate. And I hope more radio spins of WWFM, Fuse interview and the WWFM mv this weekend will help this week’s sales and then Oprah’s show will bump it up for the another week or two. The AOL may bring in some number but we don’t know when it is. I don’t know what else promo Adam has after that and before the Kradison concert.

  48. It looks like artists have to resort to releasing their singles now because album sales aren’t helping. The strategy Jive took with Kesha is very good. She has almost all her songs on the itunes top 100 chart now.
    Comeon Jive release Kris’ songs already!

  49. Oh boy, these album sales numbers are gonna be awful again this week.

  50. Judging from Keshas numbers seems like Walmart haven’t reported yet?

    Actually I’m guessing by Ke$ha’s numbers that the first Walmart update is there (they have two major distributors who report separately), but iTunes is not in yet.

    And I hope more radio spins of WWFM, Fuse interview and the WWFM mv this weekend will help this week’s sales and then Oprah’s show will bump it up for the another week or two. The AOL may bring in some number but we don’t know when it is. I don’t know what else promo Adam has after that and before the Kradison concert.

    Don’t forget the AI season premiere this week. Depending on the level of pimpage, that alone should provide a much larger spike than anything other than (possibly) Oprah. I’m guessing Kris, Adam, and Allison – all of whom are managed by 19M – will be featured to some degree in the early audition episodes. Last year’s Idol premiere gave Cook a 58% increase in album sales, and Archie a 5% increase (and Archie was not even significantly pimped in the first week of the new season). Hopefully all three will see boosts.

  51. I’d expect 30% off of last weeks numbers, so I guess that would put Adam at around 12K and Kris at 6-7K. The chart position can be even more important that the actual sales. But Idol restarting should help both Kris and Adam alot. And Oprah will be have a great impact on the sales of FYE.

    Overall the sales from S8 have to worry TPTB. They’re very under par for an Idol season. But the albums are good and radio is accepting the songs, so all is not lost yet.

  52. Has anyone seen any estimates for what the singles downloads sales will look like when the info is released on Wednesday? How much of a decline do people expect?

  53. I think the real nailbiter is whether Allison will remain in the BB200 this week. Do you think Jive will invest in a second single even if she’s fallen out of the BB200? I would hope that with AI as a vehicle (she’s managed by 19M so she’s a shoo-in to get a slot on AI this season) Jive will think that it’s worthwhile to launch another single despite the lagging album sales.

  54. Since it’s right behind LLWD, does it look likely to pass it? Or, is there anything above LLWD that is falling? It’s so close to top 10.

    The song above LLWD is dropping and will probably get passed this week. Daughtry will probably pass LLWD, though, so it will be a wash. Sadly, for LLWD, there are no others songs really dropping in the top 10 (or dropping slowly), so it will probably be a number of weeks before it can enter the top 10. Right now, it could probably enter the top ten with about 2,300 spins on HAC, but if it gets passed by Daughtry, it will need about 2,700-2,900 spins. HAC, it moves slowly for both good and bad (means you generally drop slowly too).

  55. I think with all they’ve invested in Allison, Jive will give her a second single. They’d be crazy not to. But if radio rejects that one as well, no way is she getting a third.

    I’m not sure if the iTunes gift card surge is over yet. But single sales aren’t really affected by the sales slump in the same way albums are.
    It should be another pretty decent week for downloads.

  56. Overall the sales from S8 have to worry TPTB. They’re very under par for an Idol season. But the albums are good and radio is accepting the songs, so all is not lost yet.

    I think it just means they have to very careful who they sign. If they don’t think they’ll work in the current market without a huge idol fan base they shouldn’t sign them.

  57. I wonder if they are waiting out Kris and Adam a bit and then try and relaunch Alison? I just think the market was a bit saturated for idols when all of them debuted at the same time.

    Or a new single…

  58. I think the real nailbiter is whether Allison will remain in the BB200 this week. Do you think Jive will invest in a second single even if she’s fallen out of the BB200? I would hope that with AI as a vehicle (she’s managed by 19M so she’s a shoo-in to get a slot on AI this season) Jive will think that it’s worthwhile to launch another single despite the lagging album sales.

    I agree – heck, a SMART move may be to roll out that new single in conjunction with a coveted early season AI performance. Hopefully that will happen too (though guess those performance weeks don’t happen till, like, late February – and I think a new single has to be released asap.)

  59. Bonus ‘Idol’ sales numbers from David Cook, Katharine McPhee, etc.

    Thanks to the good folks at Nielsen SoundScan for providing some extra American Idol-related sales data from last week.

    David Cook, Light On (4,000 weekly/1.04 million total)
    David Cook, Time of My Life (4,000 weekly/1.3 million total)
    Daughtry, Feels Like Tonight (5,000 weekly/763,000 total)
    Katharine McPhee, Had It All (1,000 weekly/19,000 total)
    Katharine McPhee, I’ll Be Home for Christmas (3,000 total)

    ALBUMS

    David Cook, David Cook (2,000 weekly/1.279 million total)
    David Archuleta, David Archuleta (1,000 weekly/751,000 total)

    I know there are still a few reader requests outstanding. I’m working on those and hope to be able to share data with you in the coming weeks.

    – – – – –

    Does anyone know what Brian means when he uses the term “weekly”? I’m thinking he means that that is the sales for just the past week, rather than the sales every week or the average sales per week. Yes?

  60. Woot! WWFM has 4 HAC adds (2nd most) with only 39% in! Finally HAC jumping on the bandwagon!

  61. Danny just got two more radio adds from stations in Baltimore and Boston.

  62. Ozarka, the weekly number is just the sales figure for the last week, as opposed to the cumulative sales.

  63. Does anyone know what Brian means when he uses the term “weekly”?

    He means that’s the rounded total for the most recent sales week. On December 30th Brian posted bonus numbers that included David Cook’s album, and at that point he listed it at “6000 weekly”. Then two weeks later after holiday shopping, he reported it again at “2000 weekly”. So it’s definitely not an average or anything. I think that’s just his way of differentiating from the cumulative total, but he phrases it that way since he can’t report off-chart numbers every week.

  64. “If they don’t think they’ll work in the current market without a huge a huge idol fanbase, they shouldn’t sign them”.

    I have a feeling they know how huge each of these kids fanbases are and this time, they might be looking into the future more than that instant huge sales because they know how the market has become. Remember they have other artists on the label besides the idols so they have an idea how things are now. If they were looking for the huge out of the gate sales, I don’t think they would have signed Allison because her small fanbase showed throughout the season so I think she’s pretty safe.
    Take a label like Jive for instance, none of their artists had a good first week sales off their debut album in 2009. I think Ciara had a little over 80k and Kris comes in 2nd but their artists do well in the singles sales. Lets hope Kesha sells over that but with the 50% in now, I doubt it.

  65. saga
    01/11/2010 at 2:31 pm
    Overall the sales from S8 have to worry TPTB. They’re very under par for an Idol season. But the albums are good and radio is accepting the songs, so all is not lost yet.

    I think it just means they have to very careful who they sign. If they don’t think they’ll work in the current market without a huge idol fan base they shouldn’t sign them.

    Do you think they really care? I mean it is a TV show first and foremost, the most watched. I only think they care about getting viewers for the next season/show.

    Unless your are referring to someone else besides the AI folks for the TPTB.

  66. Do you think they really care? I mean it is a TV show first and foremost, the most watched. I only think they care about getting viewers for the next season/show.

    Pretty much. They want 1-2 alums from any given season to do well as to keep up the “we’ll make you a star!” appearance, but the show is the moneymaker. They’ll promote Kris and Adam, but it’s all about the show itself.

  67. Has anyone seen any estimates for what the singles downloads sales will look like when the info is released on Wednesday?

    I’ve seen estimates for LLWD sales this week to be between 60-65k, which would put Kris at around 550k give or take.

    Someone at Pulse posted the iTunes singles popularity bars for this last sales week, and the estimates were based off that, with LLWD selling approx 25% of Tik Tok for the week (which would make the Tik Tok estimate about 250k-ish).

  68. Kirsten (or whomever can answer):

    Am I correct that Mediabase publishes only one Christian chart (CAC)? What about Billboard – do they combine all Christian formats for their Christian songs chart? I ask because LLWD is being played quite a bit on two CAC stations, but also got 25 spins last week on a Christian CHR station in Grand Rapids, and this morning got a spin on the Air-1 Christian music network, which gave it 9 spins according to yes.com.

  69. I’ve seen estimates for LLWD sales this week to be between 60-65k, which would put Kris at around 550k give or take.

    So excited that LLWD will be gold. Little song that could.

  70. Hey Kris fans — did you know that (if the download estimates are right) LLWD will make Gold at the same week (or maybe even a week ahead) of David Cook’s Light On last year? (I’m pretty hazy on the exact week but I think it’s close.) Considering where LLWD started out relative to LO, that’s quite the accomplishment IMO.

    Perhaps one of the DCO number nerds can give us the exact date?

  71. Hey Kris fans — did you know that (if the download estimates are right) LLWD will make Gold at the same week (or maybe even a week ahead) of David Cook’s Light On last year? (I’m pretty hazy on the exact week but I think it’s close.) Considering where LLWD started out relative to LO, that’s quite the accomplishment IMO.

    Perhaps one of the DCO number nerds can give us the exact date?

    Yep. It’ll be the exact same week, which is pretty damn cool actually. The two songs are still tracking remarkably close to each other both in sales and chart position. Last year at this same point LO was #23 on CHR, #11 on HAC, and #29 on AC.

  72. Wow, how unlikely and fascinating is it that LO & LLWD end up at the same place, at the same time, numbers-wise, after two completely different starts? Thanks for that awesome nugget of information, Keel & LadyM.

  73. LO went Gold in 15 weeks to be exact. Don’t have the exact date though.

  74. Wow, how unlikely and fascinating is it that LO & LLWD end up at the same place, at the same time, numbers-wise, after two completely different starts? Thanks for that awesome nugget of information, Keel & LadyM.

    I think this shows there are different ways to get to success. Coming off Idol Cook set records with the # of singles (from the show) he had charting. I do think this was a huge help in his initial release on radio. Kris seems to be the slow and steady model, LLWD definitely started small yet continues to gain.

  75. anovich
    01/11/2010 at 3:35 pm
    I’ve seen estimates for LLWD sales this week to be between 60-65k, which would put Kris at around 550k give or take.

    So excited that LLWD will be gold. Little song that could.

    YES!! :grin: :grin:

    And awww…. thanks for the report, Cookie fans! My 2 fav idols coming in neck and neck! Well, you know what I mean.

  76. by all reports that i have seen, keisha is expected to be #1 this week over susan boyle, so i would guess that itunes hasnt reported yet (since shes #6)…..her cd is 6.99 in all outlets right now so thats a big factor too besides tik tok……….

  77. looks like HAC is finally coming on board for WWFM…8 adds so far today, 3rd most adds. Its always seemed to be a better HAC fit to me than pop, but ymmv

  78. looks like HAC is finally coming on board for WWFM…8 adds so far today, 3rd most adds.

    yay yay yay

  79. So far today LLWD has 3 new adds (2 Top 40, 1 Hot AC)

    WWFM has 9 new adds (8 Hot AC, 1 Top 40) — not including the 1 add it got in Canada

    FIBOU has 1 new add (Top 40)

    MBD has 7 new adds (all in country stations)

  80. Thanks girlygirl for keeping track of the LLWD adds–I’ll check back later for an update!

  81. Hey Kris fans — did you know that (if the download estimates are right) LLWD will make Gold at the same week (or maybe even a week ahead) of David Cook’s Light On last year? (I’m pretty hazy on the exact week but I think it’s close.) Considering where LLWD started out relative to LO, that’s quite the accomplishment IMO.

    this is cool. I like how LLWD has been is going slow but steady :)

  82. Nice to see an add for Allison. Now if more would do so . . .

  83. That’s interesting — I would have though LO went gold fast than LLWD, considering it caught on faster than LLWD did. But Kris is like the Little Engine That Could. I was trying to figure out when LLWD could possibly go platinum, and I came up with late May as a guesstimate. But of course that depends on whether it continues to get much airplay once it starts going back down the charts (which shouldn’t be for awhile yet).

  84. When all of today’s adds come in from the Monitored reporters for the Idols from the Mediabase addboard, I’ll post the link so that you guys can see them.

  85. Hey Kris fans — did you know that (if the download estimates are right) LLWD will make Gold at the same week (or maybe even a week ahead) of David Cook’s Light On last year? (I’m pretty hazy on the exact week but I think it’s close.) Considering where LLWD started out relative to LO, that’s quite the accomplishment IMO.

    Well I tend to think its possible people were opting to buy David’s ALBUM as opposed to just LO once the album came out. With Kris clearly more people are opting to buy the single at this point.

  86. That’s interesting — I would have though LO went gold fast than LLWD, considering it caught on faster than LLWD did.

    Well, LO was actually a slow grower too — even though it sold a lot initially due to the size of Cook’s fanbase*. It was not getting lots of adds out of the gate (unlike Crush), it was not beloved by many even within the DC fandom and it’s early sales and airplay performance relative to Crush led to a lot of predictions that DC’s album would tank relative to Archie’s. Kristen even used to refer to it (controversially to DC fans, I might add) as a “boat anchor” to DC’s album sales — meaning that he would have sold many more albums had he released a single that people actually liked. So the fact that it ultimately (after many months) sold platinum also makes it a bit of a slow and steady grower, just like LLWD — though my personal prediction is that LLWD will go higher in the pop charts.

    *OMG, that word will never not make me smirk now. Stupid DCO’ers (of which I am one) and their double entendres!

  87. Well I tend to think its possible people were opting to buy David’s ALBUM as opposed to just LO once the album came out. With Kris clearly more people are opting to buy the single at this point

    .

    Considering that early sales of the album were mainly due to hardcore AI fans, and early sales of the single would have been due to new people who weren’t aware of David’s music, I don’t know if this theory holds. I do lean towards the side that says that LLWD will do better on CHR/pop radio than LO did.

  88. You can see all of today’s adds HERE.

    Thanks for the link. It’s nice to see historic adds as well.

  89. Considering that early sales of the album were mainly due to hardcore AI fans, and early sales of the single would have been due to new people who weren’t aware of David’s music, I don’t know if this theory holds

    I think that was exactly Trina’s point though – DCTR continued to sell well long after the initial wave of fan buying, staying in the top 20 for 11 weeks and selling at a pretty respectable pace thereafter. It would have never made it to platinum based solely on hardcore fan buying, it was the single that kept the album sales momentum going.

  90. Thanks for the link. It’s nice to see historic adds as well.

    Your welcome. It certainly is. Too bad we don’t access to the full Mediabase charts for free anymore but it’s better than nothing. :)

  91. WWFM has 9 new adds (8 Hot AC, 1 Top 40) — not including the 1 add it got in Canada

    Fianlly! :) Some AC adds!

    Well I tend to think its possible people were opting to buy David’s ALBUM as opposed to just LO once the album came out. With Kris clearly more people are opting to buy the single at this point

    That’s what I thought as well. Cook had sold A LOT more albums by this time and continued to do well in album sales after the Christmas season. You had a lot more people buying his album in the first place. (Why buy the single when you have the album?) Then, more buyers were persuaded to buy the whole album instead of just the LO single.

  92. I don’t think the WWFM are mostly due to AT40 spins. WWFM had a few spins on OHP the week before that it didn’t have this week so I think it is a wash.

    OHP is on something like 30 stations on Saturday’s and maybe around 20 on Sunday’s, while AT40 is on well over 100, so that’s not a wash.

  93. Does somebody here have the link for WWFM adds this week?
    Thank you :)

  94. Thank you progression for understanding my point. And I’m sure people who followed the sales charts more closely last year will remember that whenever David made an appearance it was his album that always got a bigger boost than LO. I have no doubt all early sales are contributed to an Idol fanbase but wasnt he around 800,000 at this point? IMO there’s good chance that started reaching beyond Idol fans.

  95. Kristen even used to refer to it (controversially to DC fans, I might add) as a “boat anchor” to DC’s album sales

    The platinum boat anchor is going to be the albatross around Kirsten’s neck (er, is that a mixed metaphor?), no Cookie’s fan is going to let her forget it.

  96. Wow. I just heard Light On for the first time ever. Just played the video on fuse

  97. Why can’t Kris sell albums better than he is doing? Is it that people like the song LLWD but don’t like or know the artist? What is the reasoning behind this? His song is doing good. It will go gold this week but his album sales continue to be slow. Looking at what people are saying, David Cook sold more albums and singles. What is the difference in the two? Why is there a difference?

  98. The platinum boat anchor is going to be the albatross around Kirsten’s neck (er, is that a mixed metaphor?), no Cookie’s fan is going to let her forget it.

    LOL, ain’t that the truth! (I, being one of them, of course. ;-)) Actually, I’ll never forget it, but I don’t bring it up in convo, cuz ya know nobody’s perfect, not even the Chosen One. (I kid, I kid… :-))

    Looking at what people are saying, David Cook sold more albums and singles. What is the difference in the two? Why is there a difference?

    Cook is better. :-) Truthfully, I feel that way, but obviously YMMV alot. Objectively, Cook came away from a season where he was the beloved favorite of A LOT of people. And, Kris is beloved and favored, but it seems his fanbase* is substantially smaller than David’s.

    *You KNOW what I mean… and what I don’t mean!

  99. Yes defitnely can’t compare Kris singles sales to David. David sold a lot of album and also a lot of singles.

    Kris is doing his thing in a different way. He is doing good and will do better, but very different from David Cook, you can’t compare those two even if both are idols winners.

  100. The platinum boat anchor is going to be the albatross around Kirsten’s neck (er, is that a mixed metaphor?), no Cookie’s fan is going to let her forget it.

    LOL, ain’t that the truth! (I, being one of them, of course. ) Actually, I’ll never forget it, but I don’t bring it up in convo, cuz ya know nobody’s perfect, not even the Chosen One. (I kid, I kid… )

    I have to admit, I don’t understand! Does anyone want to take the time to explain?

  101. Hazehel
    01/11/2010 at 7:29 pm

    Kristen even used to refer to it (controversially to DC fans, I might add) as a “boat anchor” to DC’s album sales

    The platinum boat anchor is going to be the albatross around Kirsten’s neck (er, is that a mixed metaphor?), no Cookie’s fan is going to let her forget it.

    I still believe had Cookie hit it big with LO or CBTM the way Daughtry’s singles had, his album would be double Platinum or even triple platinum by now. Well, it’s already done and over with. Off to the next album…

  102. The platinum boat anchor is going to be the albatross around Kirsten’s neck (er, is that a mixed metaphor?), no Cookie’s fan is going to let her forget it.

    Well I certainly can’t speak for all of the Cook fans, but for most of the hardcore number-nerds out there, the label long ago became a term of endearment. If it’s brought up now it’s usually as snark, because ultimately LO and the album did very well and Cook’s numbers don’t really require a lot of defensive catfighting IMO.

    It has been interesting watching the perspective shift within the Idolsphere over what constitutes a hit, what numbers are good and what numbers may be disappointing, etc. But that shift has been happening gradually for years and will continue to happen as the industry waxes and wanes. I debated LO’s merits and performance with Kirsten a lot last year, but I certainly don’t like or respect her less for disliking the single. The numbers are the numbers.

  103. The platinum boat anchor is going to be the albatross around Kirsten’s neck (er, is that a mixed metaphor?), no Cookie’s fan is going to let her forget it.

    Aw, it’s all in good fun at this point, IMO.

    aadam
    01/11/2010 at 7:39 pm
    Why can’t Kris sell albums better than he is doing? Is it that people like the song LLWD but don’t like or know the artist? What is the reasoning behind this? His song is doing good. It will go gold this week but his album sales continue to be slow.

    Neither Kris’ nor Adam’s radio play seems to be translating to sales the way it did for Cook and Archie last year. I would love to know why. I’m sure their labels and management would also. Is it unique to this year, or is it a longer term issue for the AI franchise?

  104. I debated LO’s merits and performance with Kirsten a lot last season, but I certainly don’t like or respect her less for disliking the single. The numbers are the numbers.

    Aw, it’s all in good fun at this point, IMO.

    Ditto!! It’s not personal and just not that serious (for me.) And, just to be clear, I didn’t love LO either, still don’t. I’ve surmised why the label made it the first single, but like many fans, I don’t completely agree with the decision (or the CBTM one, tbh.) Truthfully, I’m actually shocked it sold so well as a single!

  105. Why can’t Kris sell albums better than he is doing?

    It’s not a big mystery to me that Kris is selling singles better than albums. He did not build up a huge fanbase on AI, and that is the group that fuels early album sales from Idols. I would argue that even though he got enough casual voters to vote him to a win, they were not as invested as AI viewers often are because they never got a good feel for Kris’ personality (since he got little non-singing airtime or backstory). AI viewers are buying into a personality or a story as much as or even more than the music. That’s why each year they’re willing to sign up for pre-orders of an album even before little or any of the music is heard.

    The fact that the media has ignored Kris has compounded the issue for him. So people are liking his music, as evidenced by his strong single sales, but they are not yet sold on the personality or brand. Most people know very little about him except the broad stereotype the show sold of Kris as the guy-next-door.

  106. Neither Kris’ nor Adam’s radio play seems to be translating to sales the way it did for Cook and Archie last year.

    Adam’s radio airplay is not where Kris’s is…yet. (Meaning LLWD has been out 2 months longer than WWFM) Also, Adam and Archie’s sales are actually comparable. People also seem to forget that FYE has sold close to 50K outside of the United States. Hey, money is money! :) Plus, the single FYE is catching on and doing well outside of the US! Who knew?

    I’m hoping the release of the WWFM video, AOL Sessions and OPRAH will help both the single and the album.

  107. they were not as invested as AI viewers often are because they never got a good feel for Kris’ personality (since he got little non-singing airtime or backstory)

    I don’t remember a great deal of non-singing airtime or backstory for David Cook either. What was his backstory? That he was a word nerd?

    He seemed to do just fine with album sales!

  108. Here are DCTR’s sales for the first 27 weeks. Week 9 is the week of the season 8 premiered.

    1 11/23/2008 279,578
    2 11/30/2008 111,623 391,201 -60%
    3 12/7/2008 87,069 478,270 -22%
    4 12/14/2008 103,544 581,814 +19%
    5 12/21/2008 128,874 710,688 +25
    6 12/28/2008 100,745 811,433 -22%
    7 1/4/2009 30,595 842,028 -70%
    8 1/11/2009 19,394 861,548 -37%
    9 1/18/2009 30,586 892,134 +58%
    10 1/25/2009 24,417 918,555 +20%
    11 2/1/2009 17,770 936,325 -27%
    12 2/8/2009 16,954 953,279 -5%
    13 2/15/2009 24,440 977,719 +44%
    14 2/22/2009 15,830 993,549 -35%
    15 3/1/2009 12,852 1,006,401 -19%
    16 3/8/2009 10,811 1,017,212 -16%
    17 3/15/2009 9,839 1,027,051 -9%
    18 3/22/2009 8,553 1,035,604 -13%
    19 3/29/2009 7,300 1,042,904 -15%
    20 4/5/2009 24,769 1,067,673 +239%
    21 4/12/2009 21,365 1,089,038 -14%
    22 419/2009 9,097 1,098,135 -57%
    23 4/26/2009 8,031 1,106,166 -12%
    24 5/3/2009 7,699 1,113,865 -4%
    25 5/10/2009 12,068 1,125,933 +57%
    26 5/17/2009 7,926 1,133,859 -34%
    27 5/24/2009 16,719 1,150,578 +111%

    LadyM, I got some of these figures from your chart (along with what I could grab from the archives at Pulse) to add to mine to fill in the missing gaps that I may have had. :)

    Oh, and if you see something here that looks off numbers wise, feel free to jump in and correct me. :)

    The date is in reference to the week ending Sunday date.

    I posted this to back up Trina’s comment about the bumps the album received the week some of the weeks the songs were featured on AI.

  109. I’ve said this numerous times before but one factor that can’t be overlooked in terms of how Cook did with album and single sales (as well as radio play), is the Magic Rainbow. Unlike Kris and unlike really any other Idol except Kelly, Cook’s coronation song was a massive hit. It was, in essence, his first single. The song was still charting on CHR, HAC, and AC when LO was released. It had sold more than 1 million copies and been #1 on AC for 9 weeks by the time the album was released. Even at this point last year it was still pulling 26 million in weekly AI, which is about what LLWD is doing now.

    That means the Rainbow undoubtedly helped sell albums for Cook since he now had two songs that listeners could recognize. But it also probably meant that LO moved slower both in terms of airplay growth and sales than it might have otherwise – it acted more like a second single. I would expect Kris’s next single to act similarly – it will move gradually up the airplay charts as LLWD fades, and it probably won’t sell quite as quickly because many people will have already bought the album or will do so now since they’re familiar with more than one song. His album sales, therefore, would stay stable or may be bolstered. (This is, of course, assuming the second single hits on one or more formats).

    The same effect might also explain to some degree why Adam seems to be selling proportionally more albums than singles right now – he’s had three songs from that album released, so people are more likely to buy the whole album if they like and recognize multiple songs. But unlike the situation with LO and TOML, neither TfM nor FYE did much on the radio, so WWFM has nothing to slow it down on the airplay charts and it’s growing very nicely now. As a single it may not be selling like gangbusters yet, because people seem to be buying the whole album instead.

    Different lifecycles, different situations, different numbers. Well, in the case of LLWD and LO, remarkably similar numbers! But the factors at play and the way they got there have certainly been different.

  110. Aw, it’s all in good fun at this point, IMO.

    Yes! I should have added that. I only brought up the “boat anchor” remark to drive home the point that LO was not by any means an out-of-the-box hit airplay-wise or sales-wise (except for the first couple of weeks sales-wise). It had to build also just like LLWD, and in many people’s view, LO still only finished as a mild hit because it never got beyond Top 20 in CHR and took a long time to get to platinum.

  111. I still believe had Cookie hit it big with LO or CBTM the way Daughtry’s singles had, his album would be double Platinum or even triple platinum by now.

    Well, I for one never really expected it to go double platinum, whatever the single choices maybe. My original expectation was that it could sell over 1.5 million, and with a bit of luck it might edge towards the 2 million mark although that might be more of a wishful thinking. Nevertheless, I still think it could have sold over 1.5 million if they had released another single.

    I have already said it before that there isn’t a great song in the album, the one that will sell the album. A lot of albums aren’t great, but they sell in large number because they have one or two great songs in there, and that’s lacking in David Cook’s album. For example I don’t think Goo Goo Dolls’ Dizzying Up The Girl is a great album, but it sold 3 million, and that’s because the song Iris (the album was actually released to cash in on the song popularity). Similarly I don’t think Daughtry album is great either (or indeed anywhere approaching greatness, and I have to say I enjoyed David Cook’s album more), but I think It’s Not Over and Home are both stronger songs than any of the songs on David Cook’s album, with perhaps the exception of Permanent, but that song can’t really be a single, it’s not a song that I want to hear repeatedly. Those two songs are what sold Daughtry’s album I think.

    Oh, about that platinum albatross, it’s all in jest, all in jest.

  112. ladymadonna
    01/11/2010 at 8:23 pm
    I’ve said this numerous times before but one factor that can’t be overlooked in terms of how Cook did with album and single sales (as well as radio play), is the Magic Rainbow.

    Lol – I do always forget about the Magic Rainbow *ducks*. Good point. And I guess Archie had Crush which was released earlier and did really well right out of the gates, as compared to some false starts on singles for Adam. We’ll see how it all plays out I guess.

  113. nyc
    01/11/2010 at 8:13 pm
    they were not as invested as AI viewers often are because they never got a good feel for Kris’ personality (since he got little non-singing airtime or backstory)

    I don’t remember a great deal of non-singing airtime or backstory for David Cook either. What was his backstory? That he was a word nerd?

    He seemed to do just fine with album sales!

    Did you watch all of season 7 nyc? I know I felt like Cookie was a member of my family by the end of it. The smug douche who turned out to be such a mature, sincere dude with a heart of gold. The sick brother storyline. The Hair transformation. The whole “cougar bait” thing. The being rushed to the hospital for high blood pressure. The unwillingness of he and Archie to really compete against each other in the finale. The covergate thing…I could go on and on. He was/is just so darn charming, likable and RELATABLE.

  114. I don’t remember a great deal of non-singing airtime or backstory for David Cook either. What was his backstory? That he was a word nerd?

    I think his backstory was that he was the bartender/musician rocker from the Midwest. Not very exciting but gave him a whiff of authenticity over other “rockers” who were trying out.

    But he did get a fair bit more of screen time than Kris though. His full audition was shown (and actually made one of the SuperBowl commercials along with Brooke) and he was featured in the Hollywood episode in a pimp piece about the success of Daughtry influencing other rockers to try out for Idol. (Looking back, I sometimes think that Cook got featured in his fair share of these AI clips (including some internet only extras) because he was clearly soooooo much more articulate than your typical AI contestant and so he would actually say things that you’d want to include in a clip.)

    ETA: suenigma — I’m not sure the average AI fan got all that from just watching their TV week in and week out — except maybe the whole haircut thing. And maybe the smug douche thing after he cried. But did casual viewers really know about Adam’s illness back then? I know Ryan tried to get him to talk about it constantly but he never said a word.

  115. I’ve said this numerous times before but one factor that can’t be overlooked in terms of how Cook did with album and single sales (as well as radio play), is the Magic Rainbow.

    Urgh. I’d rather that David Cook sold fewer albums than to have that song being as successful as it is. I truly hate that song. I mentioned before that I was going through the yearly charts and noticed how out of place and mediocre the song is in the midst of other songs of that year. The only songs comparable to its cheesiness are the hokey country songs that sing about their mamas and trucks. I’m sure David Cook can have a great career catering to people who like that kind of songs (in fact, there seems to be distinct lack of rock-ish singers who’d do that kind of songs, so he can have that market cornered), and he can be the most successful idol ever doling out awful songs like that, but I for one certainly will be a fan no more.

    Off topic, but the reason I was going through the yearly chart was to find songs to fill up an iPod with a huge capacity I got for Christmas. Very interesting thing to do, listening to all the songs from the chart year by year, quite a few surprises. Going backward in years and now at year 1959.

  116. Part of Cook’s story was the transformation that happened during Idol. People always like to watch someone change before their eyes. During the course of Idol – David lost a little weight, changed his hair, added a bit of facial hair – and David at the end didn’t look very much like David at the beginning.

  117. they were not as invested as AI viewers often are because they never got a good feel for Kris’ personality (since he got little non-singing airtime or backstory)

    I would say that Kris got as much air-time during the run of the season (maybe not in auditions and Hollywood time) as the rest of them did. By the end of the competition people knew exactly who Kris was.

  118. A few other things to add to Cook’s backstory and “duringshowstory,” in addition to everything mentioned so far–there was the (alleged) flirtation with Lacey Schwimmer that made the tabloids briefly, the chest-bumping fun with Michael Johns on show nights, the fact that he was the only single, straight, grown-up male in the group, so he got that attention, the fact that one of his pre-Idol albums– Analog Heart–was #1 at Amazon for awhile and then snatched away from the marketplace forever (apparently), and. . .

    There was a lot, some of it very public, some of it more or less limited to the Idolverse. Some of it was hilarious, some was romantic, some was as serious as life gets. It was a ride and a half.

  119. Re: the Magic Rainbow, and the swift demise of NoBo. Looking back, I think it was a big mistake for Jive not to have had Kris record a new version of Heartless and release that as a single. It was his signature song on Idol and overwhelmingly identified with him. The iTunes version of Heartless sold really well after the show; they could have capitalized on that and gotten radio play and additional sales over the summer and leading up to the album drop. It’s a little bit inexplicable that they didn’t get something released to radio to keep momentum going when it was clear NoBo wasn’t going to make an impact.

  120. @ladymadonna I like your explanation a lot :) So far, one of the best I’ve read so

  121. It’s a little bit inexplicable that they didn’t get something released to radio to keep momentum going when it was clear NoBo wasn’t going to make an impact.

    Why? It’s not the usual case that a coronation single will make any kind of impact except perhaps for the first few weeks after the finale, so why should Kris be treated any differently from other winners? As it is, he got off easy by NOT having to sing that crappy song throughout the tour — something that neither Carrie nor Jordin nor Fantasia ever got out off despite the relative non-success of their coronation singles. It just happened to be the case that NoBo followed Magic Rainbow, which was the most successful in eight seasons, but Magic Rainbow’s success was certainly not typical nor expected.

  122. Oh, and if you see something here that looks off numbers wise, feel free to jump in and correct me.

    9 1/18/2009 30,586 892,134 +58%
    10 1/25/2009 24,417 918,555 +20%

    Pam,,did you make an adjustment between week 9 and week 10? I know there were some street violations (234?) and some kind of Soundscan adjustment (1896?) during the year for Cook’s sales.

  123. Looking back, I think it was a big mistake for Jive not to have had Kris record a new version of Heartless and release that as a single.

    Yeah, there are many who have been advocating this for years. They’ve flirted with the concept in the past – the early season coronation singles were released with a popular Idol track as a B-side to help them sell (Clay’s Bridge Over Troubled Water, Carrie’s Independence Day, etc). In S6 they experimented by releasing some of the more popular covers to iTunes – Blake’s You Give Love a Bad Name sold quite well for example, and led to them deepening the relationship between iTunes and Idol in S7 and S8.

    But there’s one reason that they may never go so far as to replace the coronation single concept with a popular Idol cover: and that’s money. By commissioning a song from someone in-house, or via the songwriter’s contest, Idol not only avoids licensing fees but can ensure that they completely control the publishing rights to the song selected, and ultimately profit more off even a less-successful song.

    The organic sales and radio success of Kris’s Heartless compared to the high-profile failure of NoBo could possibly make them reevaluate the coronation song practice, but honestly I’m not counting on it. Though it was no Rainbow, NoBo sold alright, and got some radio love too (it’s one of the main reasons I’m bullish on Kris’s potential on radio – they seem to like his voice and his vibe). So I would fully expect the Unicorn of My Destiny or Cross of Puppies to be hitting the airwaves come May.

  124. did you make an adjustment between week 9 and week 10? I know there were some street violations (234?) and some kind of Soundscan adjustment (1896?) during the year for Cook’s sales.

    ahhh ok. I probably did. I doubt I caught every adjustment that was made and no the street violations weren’t in there. I guess that’s why I kind of wanted someone to call me on it just in case there were some little mistakes here and there. :)

  125. Why? It’s not the usual case that a coronation single will make any kind of impact except perhaps for the first few weeks after the finale, so why should Kris be treated any differently from other winners?

    Well, for starters, because it would be a good business decision. I don’t see how it has anything to do with what did or didn’t happen with other Idol winners. At the point Kris won, he became a business investment for Jive, and business should have been the driving force behind this decision, not what somebody else did in some other year. The point was to keep a presence for Kris on radio until his album dropped or until they had a single off the new album to release. A placeholder, in other words. NoBo didn’t cut it – they needed to go to Plan B. It’s just good business sense.

  126. But there’s one reason that they may never go so far as to replace the coronation single concept with a popular Idol cover: and that’s money.

    But by only looking at the hard costs of putting out another single, they would be overlooking the opportunity cost of not doing so. Put simply, by not keeping Kris on radio throughout the summer with something, and Heartless would have probably been a safe bet, they may have given up a lot of album sales up front. I’m sure it’s something they weighed at the beginning of the summer (I remember Kris saying in an early interview – Idolatry? – that they were toying with doing something like that), but decided against. In hindsight, knowing now what we know about Kris’ early album sales, maybe they wish they would have gotten him on the airwaves sooner.

    ETA: Unicorn of My Destiny. LMAO. Love it.

  127. Kirsten: Do you have access to the Christian format spins from BDS that BB uses?

  128. I don’t disagree with you Eileen99. At the very least, I would have expected them to respond to NoBo’s flameout by releasing Kris’s first single earlier, more along the Crush or Tattoo timeline.

    But we often say that Idol is always fighting the last war – meaning they tend to be reactionary rather than proactive with strategy, and are generally a season behind. So perhaps S9 we will see them making strategic adjustments based on the actual performance of the coronation song.

  129. But again, why is Kris any different than past winners? David and Kelly are the only ones who saw their coronation songs go on and on and on. None of the past songs made an on impact on radio. All the other coronation songs fizzled out quickly and all the other winners had to wait until way after the summer to have a single released. The logic that NB went away fast makes no sense considering most of the other winners songs went away pretty fast as well. Carrie’s Inside Your Heaven didnt get a ton of airplay and it didnt hurt her and she came out of the gate selling a crapload of albums. Of course having a song out all summer would be a good business decision but it should be fairly obvious by now these labels dont always make the wisest decisions.

  130. Trina:

    My position is that this is completely unrelated to past winners; what did or didn’t happen before has no relevance to Kris as an investment. I don’t understand why they had to follow an “Idol” model of what went on before.

    But yes, I do agree that Idol doesn’t always make the wisest decisions, haha.

  131. Did you watch all of season 7 nyc?

    Every single second of it.

    The sick brother storyline.

    That was not something that David ever talked about or used on the show.I only knew about that from reading the blogs.

    ETA: suenigma — I’m not sure the average AI fan got all that from just watching their TV week in and week out — except maybe the whole haircut thing. And maybe the smug douche thing after he cried. But did casual viewers really know about Adam’s illness back then? I know Ryan tried to get him to talk about it constantly but he never said a word.

    No, the average viewer did not catch on to most of the things sue mentioned. Ryan did try to get Cook to discuss his brother. Cook wouldn’t and I still admire that to this day. He wouldn’t use his brother’s illness to win some singing show. What a man!

    The unwillingness of he and Archie to really compete against each other in the finale. the chest-bumping fun with Michael Johns on show nights

    How about the friendship of Adam and Kris? The painted fingernails? The hugs? Kradison?

    I really don’t think David Cook had much of a backstory. Not like Danny or Lil or Kellie Pickler. There were cute things that cropped up during the show, but the same can be said for Kris. I would also have to say that next to Elliot, Kris had the best homecoming package ever.

  132. ETA: suenigma — I’m not sure the average AI fan got all that from just watching their TV week in and week out — except maybe the whole haircut thing. And maybe the smug douche thing after he cried. But did casual viewers really know about Adam’s illness back then? I know Ryan tried to get him to talk about it constantly but he never said a word.

    I have a friend who is a casual viewer of AI who caught this storyline loud and clear. She was extremely intrigued by DC and loved him on the show, but did not follow any blogs, or follow him after. DC handled himself well, but the show put in the forefront whether he wanted it there or not. I’m not saying this is why he won, but just saying I believe casual viewers were aware of it. :D

  133. My position is that this is completely unrelated to past winners; what did or didn’t happen before has no relevance to Kris as an investment. I don’t understand why they had to follow an “Idol” model of what went on before.

    I guess I was responding to your statement earlier about how it seemed inexplicable that they didn’t release Heartless when NoBo flamed out. If they hadn’t done it before, then why did it seem puzzling to you? No, Jive and 19 do not have to follow what was done for previous Idols, but it always takes money to push another song to radio and if they already spent $$ to launch NoBo and it didn’t take, why risk more to push a second single (Heartless)? Jive’s reputation for frugality seems earned to me.

  134. I’m not saying this is why he won, but just saying I believe casual viewers were aware of it.

    I read it on the blogs. I told my mom and hubby about it before the final. They had no idea about David’s brother or what the AC meant on his guitar. They had watched every second of the season right along with me. Most casual viewers did not know about David’s brother and his fight with cancer. (not unless they were poking around the internet)

    but the show put in the forefront whether he wanted it there or not.

    When? When did they discuss it on the show?

  135. When? When did they discuss it on the show?

    nyc, I do recall Ryan asking Cook about the rumor that he had been rushed to the hospital during Top 9 week and Cook responding that he just got sent there by the show doctor as a precaution. Now, no one ever said anything about Cook’s brother on the show but it seems to me that the AI PTB used that as an opportunity to leak the story about his brother’s illness (i.e., Cook’s blood pressure went up because he was stressed about his brother) to the mainstream presss (via TMZ). A brief google gave me this as an example:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344851,00.html

  136. Actually I do believe the average viewer caught onto a lot of the things I mentioned. I read about the Brother with cancer and David’s health scare in my local newspaper, and I live in Canada. The little interview sessions (David had the most hot-seat interviews with Ryan) and the Audience questions on reults nights helped people get to know all of the contestants, including David. In season 8 I found there was so much focus on the judges and their drama, that it left less time and opportunity to get to know the idols. JMO. It is also my opinion that Elliot and David had the best (most emotional and most informative) homecoming sequences ever on American Idol. The music and editing on David’s was just excellent, and Elliot is such a mensch and was so deserving.

    David talking about Covergate:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58OuKU0VpY

    David is “single stud” meme and David intimates about his brother:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6JyStdLWfs&feature=PlayList&p=C89947E82251180D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=30

    David gets asked out on a date (lol):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhPQc48hnME

    ETA: Hot-seat interviews not Ho-seat interviews. Although that would have been enjoyable as well.

  137. You know, watching these old clips, it strikes me that David has actively rebelled against the “executive rockstar”, “hot hunk” role TPTB foisted upon him while he was on Idol. The darker hair, the tight pants (TY TPTB), the tailored clothes, the coiffed hair, the artful scruff, the guyliner…He has done such a 360 now that it almost has to be a conscious choice. The only thing he has retained is the scruff (I think that it must be part of his contract, LOL). I think he is beautiful either way, and is just being true to his roots, but it is interesting.

  138. I agree before the judges select the contestants to move on some get more attention than others, but during the competition it is really pretty equal. I knew all about Cook’s brother and high blood pressure scare. I knew all about Kris’s religion and the pimping of his accepting Adam as a roommate even though he is an amazing Christian and about his missionary work and health scares and Brand New Shoes album. I think if you are not interested in learning about a contestant the amount of information seems to be too much and if you don’t like their singing when judges praise it is seems excessive. I felt that way with some contestants too.

  139. I’d also throw out there a couple of things: (1) There is always a question as to whether it benefits Idol contestants to have a cover song out as a single or not. I tend to think that it helped Kris to get airplay for Heartless over the summer, but given the meme that Idol is a karaoke show, I’m not sure that it helps to build credibility as a real artist doing original music to have one of their first official singles be a cover. So, as nice as it would have been for Kris to get more airplay over the summer, I’m not sure that it necessarily was ridiculous for Jive not to release Heartless as a single for him.

    (2) I still rather think that there were reasons why the AI8 singles did not get out sooner. First off, with Grammy eligibility season being over a month earlier, you had a glut of new singles come out in 2009 right around the same time of year that Jordin released Tattoo and Archie released Crush. Second, I’m not sure that the guys had their singles done yet. And third, while Tattoo had long legs that kept it going strong until after the holiday season, leading to a good launch date for No Air, Crush skyrocketed and then started to plummet down the charts right around the time that Archie’s CD was released, which was not optimal timing. So, there may have been some strategizing to try to avoid that. [I still think that the first two reasons were the biggies.]

  140. “I knew all about Kris’s religion and the pimping of his accepting Adam as a roommate even though he is an amazing Christian”

    Kate8-WTF? I had to reread this because I couldn’t believe it. Accepting Adam even though?! omg.

  141. I meant that it shouldn’t have been a big deal that Kris accepted Adam for being gay. Certain comments I saw over and over again made it seem like some people thought Kris was an amazing Christian for accepting something that everyone should accept Christian or not. It was kind of a dumb thing for me to post anyhow. I hope I didn’t offend anyone.

  142. Kate8, I read your post exactly the way you had intended — especially when you talked about the pimping of Kris’ acceptance of Adam — as though it was ZOMG! amazing, that a Christian, from Arkansas no less, wasn’t some ultra-judgey, shotgun-toting, gay-hating hick. Your post wasn’t dumb at all.

  143. So the HDD building chart is final. The prediction has this for Adam:

    34 41 ADAM LAMBERT 19/RCA/RMG 10,983 -33%

    Neither Kris nor Allison is in the Top 50. The album in the #50 spot is Shakira’s She Wolf, at approximately 9,500 in sales

    Most of the albums on this chart are listed as dropping between 20 and 40 percent from last week. So, if these numbers are anywhere close to accurate and Kris’ album drops by a similar amount, he would have somewhere between 5400-7200 in sales.

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