Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Apr 5-11

Just in time for his big turn on Idol, Adam Lambert gets his first top 10 hit on HAC with WWFM. Also on HAC, Kelly’s new single AIEW also goes top 15. That leaves Idol dominating that chart with 2 Idols in the top 5 (Daughtry/Kris), 3 Idols in the top 10 and 4 in the top 15.

Not to be outdone is the AC chart which also features those same four Idols in the top 15 after Adam and Daughtry reached top 15 there this week. Those two along with Kris’s LLWD have formed a raft on that chart at 13/14/15 (LLWD/WWFM/LIY) that is drifting up that chart. Kelly’s AG remains in the top 3. Finally, the Idol boot song goes top 40 on the AC chart. 19E has kind of lost it’s way on choosing Idol boot songs from the heady days when “Bad Day” dominated the radio charts, download charts and the Hot 100. It was the first song to reach 2 million downloads when, at the time, you only needed 200K to reach platinum status (RIAA changed the criteria to 1M in July of 2006).

LLWD reaches top 30 on CAC meaning that it hit top 30 in 4 formats, top 15 in 3 formats, top 10 in 2 formats and top 5 in one format. Quite an achievement for a song that was declared DOA. This week it went recurrent on Pop after spending 22 weeks in the top 40. Also leaving us this week is Carrie’s impressive hit, “Cowboy Casanova” which had still been charting on HAC.

Here are your Monday Morning Mediabase Updates for airplay as of 3:03 pm of 04/11/10 after the jump.

Adam Lambert:
“Whattaya Want From Me”: ^10 HAC (12), 13 Pop (13), ^14 AC (16)

Bucky Covington:
“A Father’s Love”: ^43 Country (50)

Carrie Underwood:
“Temporary Home” : 7 Country (3)

Danny Gokey:
“My Best Days are Ahead”: ^28 Country (28)

Daughtry:
“Life After You”: 4 HAC (4), ^15 AC (18), 22 pop (21)

Kelly Clarkson:
“All I Ever Wanted”: ^15 HAC (19), 39 Pop (39)
“Already Gone”: ^3 AC (3)

Kris Allen:
“Live Like We Are Dying”: 5 HAC (3), ^13 AC (15), 29 CAC (34)

Phil Stacey:
“Some Kind of Love”: 41 CAC (44)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous week. The “^” (aka “a bullet”) indicates that a song gained spins since last week

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  1. Just to give an idea of how dominate “Bad Day” was back in the day (dates are in BB dates (this week’s BB date is 4/24/10) here are some of it’s stats:

    04/01/06: 1. Bad Day 106,522 (#2 sold 74,859, #10 sold 32,619)
    04/08/06: 1. Bad Day 115,298 (#2 sold 68,661, #10 sold 35,154)
    04/15/06: 1. Bad Day 112,108 (#2 sold 61,273, #10 sold 34,941)
    04/22/06: 1. Bad Day 114,608 (#2 sold 63,139, #10 sold 38,073)
    04/29/06: 1. Bad Day 114,975 (#2 sold 88,876, #10 sold 40,125)
    05/06/06: 1. Bad Day 118,397 (#2 sold 81,630, #10 sold 43,516)
    Top 1 went to Rihana’s SOS for the next 3 weeks before reclaiming the number 1 spot during the Idol finale week.

    It was number one on the Hot 100 from April 8th to May 6th, 2006 (it was the BB Hot 100 song of 2006). It also went to number 1 on the BB Pop 100, Adult Top 40 (HAC) and Hot AC Trakcs (AC) charts and number 2 on Top 40 Mainstream (Pop).

  2. Yeah, they haven’t had another “Bad Day” or “Home” in forever. I get Carrie’s was just for charity but man, they have been picking some clunkers!

  3. When’s the last time they picked a boot song that was actually promoted by the label as a single because that helps with downloads. I don’t think Ruben’s cover was. Carrie’s cover definitely wasn’t since it’s not even a song that fits her main radio format and she had a different single out at the time.

  4. 19 has really been pushing, “Leave Right Now” with banner ads all over the place, but I don’t think anyone is paying attention. The song is just not in the right context. It’s a good song on its own, but it was not the right choice, and just shines a bright light on the negativity that has taken place this season. In order to bring a more positive vibe to the show, I’d change songs, even at this late stage it would help things out a lot.

  5. With Kris recurrent on Pop, get that next single out there Jive! Why are they waiting to put an add date out there? The waiting is killing me!

    Today’s numbers for WWFM

    POP:
    13 13 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 5193 5473 -280 26.413
    -28 Spins
    -4 Bullet
    -0.228 AI

    HAC:
    12 9 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 2866 2570 296 14.688
    +40 Spins
    +22 Bullet
    +0.404 AI

  6. I don’t even remember hearing that Leave song. At all. Can’t be that good, lol.

    WWFM is #9 this morning on HAC and should be #8 tomorrow or the next day. Pretty cool, but I gotta ask Kirsten- does anyone besides people here and at Pulse even really consider a top 10 on radio an ACTUAL top 10? Isn’t Billboard really the standard for when people are discussing top 10 or 20 hits? I know radio is important- don’t get me wrong, but this always bothered me.

  7. I still wish they would have picked Kris Let It Rain as the boot song. Or at least had one of other idol’s record a song.Great news for Adam and Kelly.

  8. I agree, Let it Rain would have been an awesome boot song, it’s my favorite on the album.

  9. If the Billboard 100 were considered the standard we’d consider coronation songs like A Moment Like This, This Is The Night, I Believe, and Inside Your Heaven bigger hits than Since U Been Gone and Before He Cheats. It’s very obvious SUBG and BHC were the bigger hits by miles. No one’s saying the Hot 100 doesn’t matter and it’s nice there’s a chart that combines airplay and sales. But it’s just another chart and there’s something to be said for a chart where the peak can’t just be determined by a 1 week spike in sales.

    Let It Rain would’ve been a much better boot song than than Leave Right Now. But how much are people paying attention to the boot song these days anyway?

  10. I had no idea how dominant Bad Day was when it was used as the S5 boot song. Everything associated with that season really was a winner for the Idol brand.

    I can’t even remember this season’s boot song. Wow Kris doesn’t have the name of his 2nd single out yet. I hope that doesn’t mean Jive has stopped supporting Kris because….that would be very, very bad.

  11. That’s true Windmills,I forget that they even have a boot song half the time. But when Carrie and Daughtry had the boot song I remembered hearing it but with this boot song,I guess I block it out.I don’t even remember how the song goes.

  12. I get what you’re saying widmills but all those coronation songs deserve their brief number ones. Acts like Justin Bieber- hate him all you want but the kid sells records but you would never know it from the radio charts. Orianthi and David Guetta- HUGE on radio, sucky on sales. I really do see both sides, but I never see anyone citing radio charts as an example of success- I always see Billboard cited.

  13. Eh, I personally think that single sales and airplay should never be combined. I like to look at separate charts for sales and airplay, but Billboard Hot 100 is completely irrelevant to me.

  14. Quite a run for LLWD! Jives… please move on with the 2nd single!

    Kirsten, the “raft on the chart” is a cute image. I see the poet in you :)

  15. There are a lot of rumors that The Truth is going to be Kris’ next single.

    With Kris recurrent on Pop, get that next single out there Jive! Why are they waiting to put an add date out there?

    Does there even have to be an add date for the song out there in advance. Can’t a song be sent even without a long lead up to the add date?

  16. Isn’t Billboard really the standard for when people are discussing top 10 or 20 hits?

    In the general media it probably is, but no one chart is going to tell you the whole story so it makes sense to look at everything. Plus, radio people are not going to use the BB Hot 100 to decide who is worth playing so it makes sense to track Mediabase and the like.

    Does there even have to be an add date for the song out there in advance. Can’t a song be sent even without a long lead up to the add date?

    No, but the adds date often acts as a signal to radio that its okay to start spinning a song. Most of the time they wont consider playing anything without an adds date, even if they end up playing it before the date.

  17. I like the song The Truth, but it’s one of only 3 songs Kris didn’t write. I’ve always wanted AWM as the second single, but if they’re going for angst they should put out Let it Rain, Is It Over or Send Me All Your Angels.

    Congrats to Kris/Adam /carrie/daughtry I love seeing my idols do so well!!!

  18. I never see anyone citing radio charts as an example of success- I always see Billboard cited.

    Then you haven’t read around enough. Artist profiles always talk about the #1, top 5, or top 10 hits they’ve racked up whether they’re on the Billboard genre charts or Hot 100. Neither one will tell you everything you need to know which is why most sensible media will talk about hits on the charts but also total sales and total downloads. That’ll help them cover what got airplay, what got the highest peak on which charts, and what just went along selling steady over such a long time that it racked up big sales even if placement on a certain chart was never past a certain point.

    I’m not surprised The Truth is likely Kris’s next single. I’ve always thought the pop labels cut deals with certain writers promising them they’ll get a single. It’s cynical but them’s the breaks. At least they’re apparently releasing a version with Pat Monaghan on it and trying to use Train’s popularity to help The Truth. I think it’s a good Hot AC song and it’s more distinctive than BWCU which I’m glad isn’t the 2nd single. I still hope they release AWM sometime.

  19. Mateja- why is Billboard irrelevent to you?

    Because sales and airplay are two completely different things.

  20. I’ve always thought the pop labels cut deals with certain writers promising them they’ll get a single.

    I have been thinking the same..

  21. LLWD reaches top 30 on CAC meaning that it hit top 30 in 4 formats, top 15 in 3 formats, top 10 in 2 formats and top 5 in one format. Quite an achievement for a song that was declared DOA.

    I think the trajectory of this song is insane. Here we are waiting for the next single and all worried about how long it’s taking to get it. The one thing that I keep thinking of positively is how things worked out for LLWD – it gives me hope for whatever comes next.

  22. I’m a bit bummed by WWFM’s halt on pop… I wonder if it peaked or still has some more climbing potential…
    OTOH- I’m thrilled with it’s ascent on HAC and AC!

  23. Congratulations to Kris for LLWD having the longevity to go recurrent on Pop – quite a badge of honor of sorts. Now I’m curious what the % is of songs charting on Pop that actually have the popularity to stick around long enough to go recurrent. I’m not sure how much higher on CAC LLWD will go, but Top 30 in 4 formats is pretty cool, and it should hit Top 10 on AC at some point, which would also be awesome.

    BB Hot 100 doesn’t really tell you too much about which songs were big radio hits, but no doubt it’s a prestigious chart since it does combine airplay and sales. NoBo hit #11 on the Hot 100, but did nothing on radio, so if you just looked at BB, you’d get the impression it was a big hit, which it wasn’t. At Kelly’s concert last fall, she cited a few #1’s during her show, and I know she wasn’t talking Billboard. She was proud of her songs hitting #1 in radio play, as she should be.

  24. annovich.. I was just thinking the same thing. All of the angst around “The Truth” being the potential 2nd single actually doesn’t bother me. There was LOTS of angst around LLWD and we know how that turned out. “The Truth” is the one song that seems to stand out to my 17 yo son and his friends. Plus on itunes, for Kris’s CD it was one of the highest songs on the popularity chart.

    BTW: I am still hoping for AWM to be his next single. However, I won’t declare “The Truth” an immediate flop if it is chosen. We will just have to see what happens.

  25. I’ve always thought the pop labels cut deals with certain writers promising them they’ll get a single.

    I’m glad to see someone else state this. I mentioned it when Adam’s 2nd single was released (Max Martin and Shellback) and no one agreed at the time. I still stand by my suspicion. I really think the labels know exactly which couple (at least) songs will be released first. I can’t imagine some of the biggest writers/producers out there wasting their time unless they have some guarantee their work is going to radio. The big hitters are in such demand, they’d be foolish not to make up front agreements; especially with new names like kids coming off Idol. It would be really interesting to know the inside info, for sure.

  26. LLWD reaches top 30 on CAC meaning that it hit top 30 in 4 formats, top 15 in 3 formats, top 10 in 2 formats and top 5 in one format. Quite an achievement for a song that was declared DOA.

    Declared by who? I keep seeing this stated as fact and it’s not my recollection at all. The song stalled a bit in the 20’s and then regained new life. It has always been the most radio-friendly Top 40ish cut on the album. It’s got the sing/speak vibe going for it (pseudo rap) and Kris performs it well. Not every Kris fan was on board with it, but when has there ever been a consensus on the blogs. lol. Now if you had said that some of poor Allison’s releases were DOA, then I could agree with you …

  27. I’ve always thought the pop labels cut deals with certain writers promising them they’ll get a single.

    I hope Gaga made this deal, it might be the only chance for Fever as a single. (Might be internationally but that’s fine. )

    For the D.C. folks, WRQX-FM added WWFM today.

    At least they’re apparently releasing a version with Pat Monaghan on it and trying to use Train’s popularity to help The Truth.

    Will it be a separate single on itunes to buy? How is that going to help sell the album? Maybe Jive is just going straight for platinum singles. Which isn’t a bad thing either.

  28. jmom376:
    04/12/2010 at 10:06 am
    annovich.. I was just thinking the same thing. All of the angst around “The Truth” being the potential 2nd single actually doesn’t bother me. There was LOTS of angst around LLWD and we know how that turned out. “The Truth” is the one song that seems to stand out to my 17 yo son and his friends. Plus on itunes, for Kris’s CD it was one of the highest songs on the popularity chart.

    BTW: I am still hoping for AWM to be his next single. However, I won’t declare “The Truth” an immediate flop if it is chosen. We will just have to see what happens.

    That’s the point I was trying to make so thanks for putting it out there so well. LLWD was considered DOA in Spetember/October. Look at the accomplishments it has had when we look back at it from this vantage point in April.

    I still would love to see AWM, but as someone on another board pointed out, if the next single has a more “normal” trajectory, a potential third single could be out in late July/early August. AWM could be great then, a fun jam for the late summer early fall would be great.

  29. Sorry if this is old news, but I just heard Kris Allen’s AWM playing in the background during the Regis and Kelly show this am!

  30. Re: the discussion on the Truth and a version with Pat Monaghan on it. Well, I’ll rely on their marketing genius or whatever, but as a fan I have to say I’m dreading the whole “first he released a script cover and now he can’t even sing well enough to have his own vocals and had to release a duet as his second single”. I think I have to check out for a while. It’ll all be good for Kris, as it always is…

  31. Wow Kris doesn’t have the name of his 2nd single out yet. I hope that doesn’t mean Jive has stopped supporting Kris because….that would be very, very bad.

    No cause for concern. Spoke with Kris briefly at the Tom’s shoe event in Little Rock and he couldn’t be happier. Second single will be out soon. Radio promos, a busy tour schedule, more exposure from the Ford TV ads, and outstanding performance of his first single don’t add up to being dropped by Jive.

  32. WWFM came in with a total of 10,700 spins this week vs. 10,552 spins last week. A modest increase but should be enough to keep WWFM in the Top 20 on the Billboard Radio chart. WWFM was down on the Pop chart spins….but because other songs dropped too, it should hold #13 on Billboards Pop Songs chart too. Looks like RCA has done a really good job managing this song to have it peak on radio for Adam’s Idol week.

    Mateja:
    04/12/2010 at 9:24 am

    Eh, I personally think that single sales and airplay should never be combined. I like to look at separate charts for sales and airplay, but Billboard Hot 100 is completely irrelevant to me.

    ITA There isn’t really a good measure of song popularity but for the US what is better then the Billboard Hot 100 as an overall measure?

    Billboard Hot 100 also includes a small component score for streaming media. Certainly not perfect, and it has changed so many times that you can’t compare over time, but there really isn’t a better measure of the most popular songs in the US. Note: my biggest issue with the Hot 100 is that it has a Rhythmic skew.

    Sales alone are problematic because cross-genre and by listener age/demos, there are huge difference in the rates of peer-to-peer use and file sharing. Right now sales alone make Urban, Country, Reissued albums [album charts] and Classical songs look more popular than the prob are — and understates some genres like alt rock.

    Airplay isn’t the same as popularity either because it is also effected by PD/MD decision-making, the major labels, etc.

    And measuring streaming media only gives an approximate idea of what is popular online.

    sr4mjc:
    04/12/2010 at 9:00 am

    With Kris recurrent on Pop, get that next single out there Jive! Why are they waiting to put an add date out there? The waiting is killing me!

    I do not understand why Jive is waiting so long. Maybe it is because LLWD is getting really good airplay and selling still. It does not appear the the radio stations have heard anything either. And why not just say what the next single is?

  33. I do not understand why Jive is waiting so long.

    May it’s because they are reworking it with Pat Monaghan’s vocals if the rumors are true..just a guess..

  34. I’m glad to see someone else state this. I mentioned it when Adam’s 2nd single was released (Max Martin and Shellback) and no one agreed at the time. I still stand by my suspicion. I really think the labels know exactly which couple (at least) songs will be released first. I can’t imagine some of the biggest writers/producers out there wasting their time unless they have some guarantee their work is going to radio. The big hitters are in such demand, they’d be foolish not to make up front agreements; especially with new names like kids coming off Idol. It would be really interesting to know the inside info, for sure.

    I didn’t realize it was controversial, in fact I thought I was making a point that was conventional wisdom by now. I think sometimes it’s to do with labels snagging certain songs moreso than snagging a producer.

    Non-AI example of this: Here’s what I read @ Pulse about Leona Lewis. I Will Be was the 3rd or 4th single from her album and it’s cowritten by Avril Lavigne and Dr. Luke. For reasons that I don’t understand it was a highly in demand song. I remember Katy Perry talked about it and said Avril had recorded it and they thought it’d be a big hit but there was some personal reason it wasn’t on Avril’s album. The people on Leona’s album really wanted it so they guaranteed it’d be a single for her. They got it, they released it, it flopped.

    Ryan Tedder’s talked about how he’ll sometimes writes a song that he’ll play for a label, like he had Halo in his back pocket and he said the label was crazy about it and was sure it’d be huge. I’d guess if a label really wants a song there are certain guarantees it would make to make sure they get the song.

    With The Truth maybe Jive was sure it’s a perfect song for Kris and it’d be a hit for him. So they very well may have guaranteed Toby Gad and Pat Monaghan it’d be a single to make sure Kris got it.

    It might’ve been the same thing for WWFM but it could just as easily have been Ryan Tedder and Sleepwalker or even FYE and Dr. Luke/Claude Kelly. I’m convinced it’s exactly what happened with FIBOU but it might’ve been that they had to guarantee Max Martin the lead single to get him to work with Allison.

    I just remembered there’s a country example of an act trying this but failing. Brian Mansfield is friends with Marty Dodson, who cowrote Songs Like This on Carrie’s album Play On. Marty Dodson told a story where a country group was really into Songs Like This and promised him they’d make it their lead single. But he knew there was a chance Carrie would record it so he kept it for her. She did. I don’t think there’s any guarantee it’ll be a single but placing a song on Carrie’s album is probably worth it for a writer even if it isn’t a single.

  35. I think Kris will pick up some speed once he’s aboard the Keith Urban bandwagon. Keith has a huge country following and we all know how country music is supported big time. Kris can attain tremedously from that affiliation.

  36. Ok, Q3, so I gotta ask you- is Adam being mentor this week what you reffered to last week when you enigmatically stated that Adam’s management still had something planned for WWFM regarding radio play?

    And if so- does that mean they think his mentoring will raise so much interest that it will somehow increase spins?

  37. Q3
    WWFM came in with a total of 10,700 spins this week vs. 10,552 spins last week. A modest increase but should be enough to keep WWFM in the Top 20 on the Billboard Radio chart.

    You do know that the Radio Chart is based off of audience impression? Spin increases can be misleading, especially when you consider the song’s lack of a pop bullet. If a big market pop station suddenly decreased spins, WWFM could have lost A.I. despite gaining spins.

  38. Re: the discussion on the Truth and a version with Pat Monaghan on it. Well, I’ll rely on their marketing genius or whatever, but as a fan I have to say I’m dreading the whole “first he released a script cover and now he can’t even sing well enough to have his own vocals and had to release a duet as his second single”. I think I have to check out for a while. It’ll all be good for Kris, as it always is…

    eh, don’t worry, there was an interview with Adam about Fever and he said if there ever was a video, he’d love to have Gaga in it with him. That will bring the inevitable arguement that the song only hit because Gaga is in the video. It’s what happens.

    It comes from all sides. Being a fan of both Adam and Kris, I think I’m finally desensitized to all the arguing. I read it, get midly irritated, then move on. A break or two from the blogs really is eye opening because as much fun as it is here to worry about this stuff for our idols, most people in real life don’t give a shit.

    Honestly, if including Pat in the new single helps sell the song, I don’t have issue with it. If it gets Kris another hit and more exposure, that’s great. Like Jordin with No Air. Who knew Train would come back and be a hit these days?

    It seems the Idol way to not have co-written tracks as singles so there probably is a lot of truth in the way the deals are made, no pun intended.

  39. I can’t even remember this season’s boot song. Wow Kris doesn’t have the name of his 2nd single out yet. I hope that doesn’t mean Jive has stopped supporting Kris because….that would be very, very bad.

    I couldn’t tell you a single word in this year’s boot song or the melody. Even when it’s playing I don’t notice it.

    ‘Bad Day’ was omnipresent when they used it. You couldn’t help but notice it on the show and it was on the radio constantly and on every news type show whenever they talked about Idol. It was a good song. They’d also play it in relation to other non-Idol things.

    I have to laugh, though, at the thought that Jive has stopped supporting Kris.

    The guy has been booked solid ever since the tour ended. It hasn’t been all charity work; tons of concerts alone and with some top named acts, appearances, and radio interviews. His Ford commercials are playing on every TV station with some much watched shows. Two of his songs are featured on overseas TV shows.

    I’m expecting the next single (supposedly already chosen) will be announced in conjunction with some important event such as the kick-off for his official tour.

  40. ITA There isn’t really a good measure of song popularity but for the US what is better then the Billboard Hot 100 as an overall measure?

    Billboard Hot 100 also includes a small component score for streaming media. Certainly not perfect, and it has changed so many times that you can’t compare over time, but there really isn’t a better measure of the most popular songs in the US. Note: my biggest issue with the Hot 100 is that it has a Rhythmic skew.

    Sales alone are problematic because cross-genre and by listener age/demos, there are huge difference in the rates of peer-to-peer use and file sharing. Right now sales alone make Urban, Country, Reissued albums [album charts] and Classical songs look more popular than the prob are — and understates some genres like alt rock.

    Airplay isn’t the same as popularity either because it is also effected by PD/MD decision-making, the major labels, etc.

    And measuring streaming media only gives an approximate idea of what is popular online.

    But why is a measure of song popularity even needed? If the song is selling well, then it’s a hit as far as sales go, If the song is popular on the radio, then fine. But there is really no need to mix apples and oranges.

  41. I didn’t realize it was controversial, in fact I thought I was making a point that was conventional wisdom by now. I think sometimes it’s to do with labels snagging certain songs moreso than snagging a producer.

    I probably mentioned it on the tail end of a thread or something, and a few comments were made, and then we moved on to a new topic. I just remember a couple comments that said no writer is ever guaranteed that their song will be released for radio. It was just a theory on my part anyway, so I surely wasn’t going to argue anybody about it. It just makes sense to me…if I were a song writer in heavy demand, I sure wouldn’t give my songs out to just any label and singer and hope for the best. These guys/gals have an industry reputation to maintain. Stands to reason they’d want hits out there playing on the radio and anything they can do to insure it, I would think they’re doing.

  42. IMO – Billboard does a pretty good job of indicating popularity of a song for any given week, but it greatly exaggerates songs that are outliers and short-lived in terms of popularity – idol coronation songs are a great example. They shoot up BB in part because right after the finale they sell a ton for that short amount of time. After a week or two, some of the less successful ones (cough*No Boundaries*cough) completely fall off the chart with no additional high sales, and no supporting radio play.

    So you can have songs that peak at #1 on BB, but no one even knows of them because they never got airplay, and were never really “hits” in terms of that kind of exposure.

    OTOH – the radio play charts can give a better example, imo, of songs that are actually really out there. People are getting exposed to it, it’s a big hit because of those factors. Then again, some of the songs that get very high radio play don’t sell well at all, and money, after all is the bottom line. So, neither system is really perfect.

    But in general I tend to more heavily value the radio play charts for showing longer term growth and exposure of a song.

  43. Note: my biggest issue with the Hot 100 is that it has a Rhythmic skew.

    The Hot 100 doesn’t have a rhythmic skew. Rhythmic songs tend to do better because they crossover. Someone like Rihanna can get airplay on three formats (Urban/Rhythmic/Pop). However, someone like Britney Spears can only get pop play. Obviously Rihanna will have an edge, and it makes sense. No skewing necessary. A song successful in many formats > a song successful in one format.

  44. Well here’s another post about The Truth being the next Kris single.http://butletsbereal.blogspot.com/2010/03/for-real-new-kris-allen-truth.html. Am so glad LLWD did so well,and is still doing well on some formats still. I love The Truth buy am just selfish and want his second single to be something he at least CoWrote.

    I don’t know how much I trust this as a legitimate source – also I think this has been out for a while (last week some time, I think) and no major musical blogger/publication seems to have picked it up. I think most of the rumors comes from the facebook statement by a music engineer that said Pat Monaghan was in to work on something relating to The Truth. And there’s been a lot out there about a radio edit being done on the song. Combined with Kris saying he wasn’t naming his single because he didn’t want to say a name and then it be changed which sounds like they were waiting to ensure that the radio edit comes out the way they want.

  45. I do not understand why Jive is waiting so long. Maybe it is because LLWD is getting really good airplay and selling still. It does not appear the the radio stations have heard anything either. And why not just say what the next single is?

    Does Kris have radio interviews/gigs this week? Maybe he is announcing on a major radio station, like Z100? Just a thought.

    Maybe a big announcement on IGB with him performing his single?

  46. Pop (outside top 50)
    105 97 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 52 42 +10 0.467
    110 129 ALLISON IRAHETA Scars 24 37 -13 0.027
    181 256 ALLISON IRAHETA Friday I’ll Be Over U 5 10 -5 0.032

  47. Re the Boot Song – I just chalk it up to another WTF bad decision from the AI PTB. Even they seem to realize the song was not a very strong pick, hence the fact that they actually seem to noticeably turn down the volume when it is being played.

    Yeah, I hardly notice it either.

  48. Declared by who? I keep seeing this stated as fact and it’s not my recollection at all. The song stalled a bit in the 20’s and then regained new life. It has always been the most radio-friendly Top 40ish cut on the album. It’s got the sing/speak vibe going for it (pseudo rap) and Kris performs it well. Not every Kris fan was on board with it, but when has there ever been a consensus on the blogs. lol. Now if you had said that some of poor Allison’s releases were DOA, then I could agree with you …

    It wasn’t the Kris fans who declared it DOA, even though some of them did get wrapped up in the fake controversy about it being a cover.

  49. If they release The Truth, I hope there is a radio edit which leans a little more Pop. I love the song, but I can see it needing tweaking to hit Pop and HAC. As for IIHY, I have no idea if HAC will pick it up or not.

  50. For the D.C. folks, WRQX-FM added WWFM today.

    Well, that’s great news, but DC radio will need to do a lot more than that to get back in my good graces. So fed up with it at the moment that I just flip on my ipod now.

    The song is a good fit for WRQX, so I hope I FIANLLY start hearing it there.

  51. Re the Boot Song – I just chalk it up to another WTF bad decision from the AI PTB. Even they seem to realize the song was not a very strong pick, hence the fact that they actually seem to noticeably turn down the volume when it is being played.

    I thought the change in volume was just my imagination or poor hearing. They crank up the “leave right now” part, but mute the rest, since the lyrics don’t make any sense. If they are going to do that, why keep the song, or pick it in the first place, and why take out banner ads on IDF, HDD, and other sites telling people they can download the song at itunes and amazon.com.

  52. As for IIHY, I have no idea if HAC will pick it up or not.

    Hard to tell – but it seems songs that are big on POP have a much easier time at crossing over to HAC than vice versa. Most Gaga songs are on HAC a lot, even Kesha is, and those are the same kind of dancey, pop songs as IIHY. As long as it’s not rap or hip-hop, which tends to NOT cross over from POP to HAC.

  53. It wasn’t the Kris fans who declared it DOA, even though some of them did get wrapped up in the fake controversy about it being a cover.

    Never say anything with absolution. I’m sure there was much hand wringing going on and doubts thrown around. Once cover-gate quieted down.. as my memory serves most (YMMV) felt that the song would do well. I personally don’t care for it, but I more than a few times stated that it would do very well.

  54. I thought the change in volume was just my imagination or poor hearing. They crank up the “leave right now” part, but mute the rest, since the lyrics don’t make any sense. If they are going to do that, why keep the song, or pick it in the first place, and why take out banner ads on IDF, HDD, and other sites telling people they can download the song at itunes and amazon.com.

    Exactly. Why indeed. So many better songs could have been chosen (cough*several Kris/Adam tracks*cough)

  55. Re LLWD – well, there was some DOA talk about it when it was first released (in part because of the Script controversy, which seemed to be more made up within the bubble than outside of it). But many reviewers and people who heard it (Kris fans and non-fans alike)also declared it insanely catchy – so it definitely had a lot of supporters as well.

  56. OnePlusSix:
    04/12/2010 at 10:32 am
    I think Kris will pick up some speed once he’s aboard the Keith Urban bandwagon. Keith has a huge country following and we all know how country music is supported big time. Kris can attain tremedously from that affiliation.

    yes this is definitly something that will work out for Kris. For example, a song like BWCU has a little country cross-over feel to it and I think country’s fans will appreciate.

    Would they release a re-worked ‘the truth’ (with vocals from the author)? I’m not getting this … don’t you release your songs as they are on the album?

  57. If they release The Truth, I hope there is a radio edit which leans a little more Pop. I love the song, but I can see it needing tweaking to hit Pop and HAC. As for IIHY, I have no idea if HAC will pick it up or not.

    I’m actually more worried about IIHY then The Truth. IIHY is a dance/pop song, and I still think Top 40 and HAC are more likely to accept this type of stuff from women (Gaga, Britney, Ke$ha) then a man. I always thought that was the problem with FYE and I see the same issue with IIHY.

    I think The Truth is more geared for HAC then Pop and to me it makes sense as I always thought Kris’ sound was more geared to HAC then Pop. My only concern just like IIHY is a sound more associated with women, maybe The Truth will suffer a similar fate as it has some similarity to the type of song the AG by Kelly and Halo by Beyonce were.

  58. Maybe it is because LLWD is getting really good airplay and selling still

    I kinda wonder about that as well. I have no idea if this is a factor or not, but with sales still so strong for LLWD, could that actually be a reason to delay the second single? Not wanting to risk cannibalizing LLWD sales with a second song that would be an unknown?

  59. Pretty cool, but I gotta ask Kirsten- does anyone besides people here and at Pulse even really consider a top 10 on radio an ACTUAL top 10? Isn’t Billboard really the standard for when people are discussing top 10 or 20 hits? I know radio is important- don’t get me wrong, but this always bothered me.

    Billboard posts charts of radio play and they are important. As others have said, it’s frequently touted by the artists and labels. Plus, top radio hits make it more likely that radio will play your next song (it’s not a guarantee, or we wouldn’t have one hit wonders) which makes it more likely you will move singles and albums (SuBo notwithstanding)

    We frequently talk about timing issues for radio hits. That if all the stations don’t play the song at once, it doesn’t rise as high as it should. This is even more of a factor on the Hot 100. Your timing has to be perfect. You have to not only get the stations all playing you at once, you have to move a boatload of singles at the same time. That’s why it’s often lead-off singles that hit number one on the Hot 100 because they can suppress sales until the song has become a big enough radio hit (while risking people illegally downloading it). You can get to number 1 on the Hot 100 on follow-up singles, but it’s a little harder. There are a lot of Mega-Hits that never went to number 1 on the Hot 100 despite having an awesome run on radio and moving lots of units because the timing was just wrong.

    It’s not a surprise with the rise of iTunes (starting to rack up the really big numbers in 2006), that we haven’t had a coronation song go to number one on the Hot 100 since Season 5. They used to be able to run the chart because they were the only reasonable single sales in town and the lack of radio play didn’t matter. Now, you pretty much have to have both (especially with the recent changes in Hot 100 calculations. Sales used to count for more).

    I’m not surprised The Truth is likely Kris’s next single. I’ve always thought the pop labels cut deals with certain writers promising them they’ll get a single. It’s cynical but them’s the breaks. At least they’re apparently releasing a version with Pat Monaghan on it and trying to use Train’s popularity to help The Truth.

    Okay, can anybody explain how that is supposed to work? I get “No Air” as a duet because it’s two lovers singing to each other. Put “The Truth” seems to be a personal song. A person singing it internally. Okay, it could possibly work as a duet where the two lovers are both thinking the same thing, but if Adam can’t get away with pronoun in “Fever” how on earth are they going to sell Kris and Pat as lovers? (and no, Pat in this case is not a woman). Anybody know how this could work. Are they going to rip the emotional core out of this song or make it the first hit featuring gay lovers? (And if they do, may I add that their names are unfortunate. What will the shippers choose? Krat? Pis? Pris? I suppose Kat might work).

    I hope that doesn’t mean Jive has stopped supporting Kris because….that would be very, very bad.

    The longer we have to wait, the more that scenario is likely. It happens. Hopefully, they will still let him have a second album. It’s been three weeks since Kris said it would be out in a week/week-and-a-half so he’s an unreliable source on his own singles (but artists frequently are not the best sources for that kind of thing)

  60. Would they release a re-worked ‘the truth’ (with vocals from the author)? I’m not getting this … don’t you release your songs as they are on the album?

    Not necessarily. Songs are often retooled to make them shorter/more condensed for radio play. Off the top of my head, I’d say Lady Gaga is the only major pop star who has most of her songs run past the 4-minute mark play as they were originally recorded. Could be wrong about that, though. TT runs past 4:00 on KATA, so in addition to adding Pat Monaghan’s background vocals, they would likely snip a few seconds off the song’s running time.

  61. Just listening to Kris’s album on shuffle at work, I can’t help it, I can’t forward fast enough when AWM comes on, I need to just remove it from my ipod altogether. The Yeahs and the strumming and clapping are just too annoying for me. Which means, it will be the next single and hit #1!

    Adam’s album on shuffle I always play Fever twice when it comes on, which means it will never be a single, lol. I am the queen of single picking suckage.

  62. I’m actually more worried about IIHY then The Truth. IIHY is a dance/pop song, and I still think Top 40 and HAC are more likely to accept this type of stuff from women (Gaga, Britney, Ke$ha) then a man. I always thought that was the problem with FYE and I see the same issue with IIHY.

    Well, FYE not withstanding (since there is a lot of history with that song that I don’t think we know the full picture about, including the fact that it is much more sexually agressive than IIHY, and that there may have been more of a push to radio despite PD warnings not to because of the whole AMA/foreign push tie-in), but regardless, I have faith that Adam’s team vetted the songs to see what would work best.

    I can’t imagine they would put so much at stake in a song that was NOT getting some positive early feedback from PDs (especially the major ones). If they had gotten that kind of pushback early in the process, they very likely would have just chosen Sleepwalker as a much more guaranteed WWFM-esque success on radio.

    So, yeah, that’s my take :-)

  63. Adam’s album on shuffle I always play Fever twice when it comes on, which means it will never be a single, lol. I am the queen of single picking suckage.

    LOL – most Adam fans LOVE Fever, and some of the ones who listen more for an ear to radio believe Fever should most definitely be on radio (I tend to agree, with the one exception being the pronoun issue, which I think had PDs pushing back on it a la FYE – sadly :-( )

    Still, though – Fever might make it out eventually, you never know!

  64. I had heard “Leave Right Now” quite a bit before it became the boot song (I have the CD). While I do rather like the song, Will Young’s lisping is too evident in it. Some others who have sung it (Lee Mead for one) have done a better job, IMO. But Will is in the 19E family.

  65. Once cover-gate quieted down.. as my memory serves most (YMMV) felt that the song would do well. I personally don’t care for it, but I more than a few times stated that it would do very well.

    But many reviewers and people who heard it (Kris fans and non-fans alike)also declared it insanely catchy

    Exactly. IIRC, “catchy” was the word most frequently associated with LLWD in the beginning and most of the negativity associated with the song had to do with cover-gate, not the song itself.

    It will be interesting to see if they are able to “popify” The Truth in a radio edit (if that’s in fact what they are doing). To me, it is one of the best songs on the album, but very HAC.

  66. I kinda wonder about that as well. I have no idea if this is a factor or not, but with sales still so strong for LLWD, could that actually be a reason to delay the second single? Not wanting to risk cannibalizing LLWD sales with a second song that would be an unknown?

    I think the strong sales numbers and the continued airplay are the reason why Jive isn’t panicking, and pushing out a second single before they are ready. With the chart so weak, this is a good time to release another song, but there is no reason to act like Kris doesn’t still have a strong presence on radio, or that people have forgotten a song that’s been very popular, and on the radio for six months.

  67. but artists frequently are not the best sources for that kind of thing

    Yes- that’s why I find it so interesting that Adam seems to usually be very knowledgable about all the logistics surrounding him, which convinces me even furthur that he’s not BSing when he says he works with his management as a team, and they make decisions together. I mean, i’m sure some things are out of his hands, but he seems to always be in on whatever’s happening, also knowing how to quickly dispel twitter rumours… He’s his own PR team, haha… (I’m not dissing Kris, I’m just impressed with the amount of trust they seem to have in Adam despite his being a new artist).

  68. As far as the Pat Monaghan vocals on The Truth go, I don’t put much stock int eh duet thing on this. Suupoedly both backing and duet vocals were records. I cound understand the backing vocals more than duet vocals being needed. The duet vocal was a big WTF to me as it makes no sense and that song cannot be turned into a duet – it doesn’t work as a duet and to do that would destroy the song completely. I’m not sure where backing vocals would fit either, but there is more logic to that idea then duet vocals.

  69. Yes- that’s why I find it so interesting that Adam seems to usually be very knowledgable about all the logistics surrounding him, which convinces me even furthur that he’s not BSing when he says he works with his management as a team, and they make decisions together

    LOL – except when it came to the US release date for the EP, which, iirc, he effed up ;-) But I do love that he uses twitter so much to keep fans in the loop, especially with rumor patrol – immediately debunking internet rumors (or, if he says nothing at first, it’s usually true, a la mentoring)

  70. But many reviewers and people who heard it (Kris fans and non-fans alike)also declared it insanely catchy

    This also how I remember it. I think that the negativity came later because the song had a slow start sales wise.

  71. So, what’s the full story on The Truth backing vocals thing? Is this a CERTAIN thing? And if so, what else could the re-recording be used for? I guess it could be used as a promo bit too – tv, commercials, Greys Anatomy ep, who knows?

  72. I can’t imagine they would put so much at stake in a song that was NOT getting some positive early feedback from PDs (especially the major ones). If they had gotten that kind of pushback early in the process, they very likely would have just chosen Sleepwalker as a much more guaranteed WWFM-esque success on radio.

    ITA with this…and you’re right, we’ll never know the whole story behind FYE. It’s really doing well Internationally, so who knows, we may see it back here eventually.

    I really like how they’re handling this next single. Letting Adam talk about it well before it’s release seems very smart. He’s introducing it at concerts as his next single for summer which creates a little buzz and gets the seed planted in your mind. When he introduced it as such as the River Rock concert, the audience all cheered and yelled….very smart move.

  73. Just listening to Kris’s album on shuffle at work, I can’t help it, I can’t forward fast enough when AWM comes on, I need to just remove it from my ipod altogether. The Yeahs and the strumming and clapping are just too annoying for me.

    You’ve just hit on one of my pet peeves! “Yeah” and “Oh, yeah” stuck thoughtlessly into musical performances at every turn. It’s become as thoroughly stale as “You know” in conversation and no longer communicates. I can’t hear either without cringing and having brief thoughts of “airhead” creeping in.

  74. You’ve just hit on one of my pet peeves! “Yeah” and “Oh, yeah” stuck thoughtlessly into musical performances at every turn. It’s become as thoroughly stale as “You know” in conversation and no longer communicates. I can’t hear either without cringing and having brief thoughts of “airhead” creeping in.

    So I’m guessing you are not a rihanna fan then……lol

  75. Seriously grasping at straws here, but in Slezak’s article on Brooke White from this morning he quoted AWM and linked to the song on You Tube. He did say late last week that he would try to get scoop on Kris’ second single…

  76. I really like how they’re handling this next single. Letting Adam talk about it well before it’s release seems very smart. He’s introducing it at concerts as his next single for summer which creates a little buzz and gets the seed planted in your mind. When he introduced it as such as the River Rock concert, the audience all cheered and yelled….very smart move.

    YES! I saw that on the concert vids too, and that was very very cool! Not to mention all my friends commented that he seemed to be getting more confortable and carefree with it, so it’s becoming more infectuous to watch (loved the reaching out to the audience bit!!) :-)

  77. I really like how they’re handling this next single. Letting Adam talk about it well before it’s release seems very smart. He’s introducing it at concerts as his next single for summer which creates a little buzz and gets the seed planted in your mind. When he introduced it as such as the River Rock concert, the audience all cheered and yelled….very smart move.

    So another intersting thisg based on this. The first time Kris performed The Truth live he called it the next single. I don’t remeber the details surrounding this, but it did lead to a lot of speculation at the time….anyone remember this or have video of this?

  78. anovich – ooohhh, really? That’s very interesting!

    So then, it sounds very possible that TT is the first choice for next single, but if they’re doing a radio edit right now (or just completed) they want to makes sure they’re happy with the finished product before fully announcing that that’s the single.

  79. So another intersting thisg based on this. The first time Kris performed The Truth live he called it the next single. I don’t remeber the details surrounding this, but it did lead to a lot of speculation at the time….anyone remember this or have video of this?

    really?!?? i dont’ remember this

  80. I really didn’t like LLWD when it was released….still don’t ….but I was not accurate to think it wouldn’t do well because it surely has!! The Truth….find it the most awkward song…..lyrics like avalanche….and elephant in the room…weird for me. I like the premise of the song….just feel the words are strange. The good news is what do I know…I was wrong about LLWD, so maybe this will do well. (I love me some Kris!)

  81. (I’m not dissing Kris, I’m just impressed with the amount of trust they seem to have in Adam despite his being a new artist).

    I don’t think it’s an issue of Kris not knowing what’s going on his career, but an issue of Kris not wanting to talk about these things. He’s not as used to promoting himself as Adam is, or handling the media or fans’ questions about his career and life. Kris just doesn’t like having the focus on him, or talking about himself. Many fans have told stories about meeting him, and having him steer the conversation to them, and what they like. It’s not even like he’s ducking the questions, he’s just genuinely interested in other people, and doesn’t understand that he also has to promote himself. I think it’s a case where he has to differentiate between self-promotion and arrogance.

  82. I really like how they’re handling this next single. Letting Adam talk about it well before it’s release seems very smart. He’s introducing it at concerts as his next single for summer which creates a little buzz and gets the seed planted in your mind. When he introduced it as such as the River Rock concert, the audience all cheered and yelled….very smart move.

    This is funny, I was just thinking that Adam announced the next single weeks ago, but so far it hasn’t gotten any test spins at radio stations, and I haven’t heard any buzz about it outside of the idol bubble. I haven’t seen any articles, or references to djs mentioning on the air.

  83. @Mtlfan, It was from this performance in Florida at the House of Blues (12/18/09 – so a long time ago), when he was announcing he was going to sing “The Truth”, he slipped and said this is the new single, then he realizes he misspoke and he says new song, off the album “The Truth”.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRzRr8MTOaY

  84. This is funny, I was just thinking that Adam announced the next single weeks ago, but so far it hasn’t gotten any test spins at radio stations, and I haven’t heard any buzz about it outside of the idol bubble. I haven’t seen any articles, or references to djs mentioning on the air.

    I don’t know why it necessarily would be. It hasn’t gone to adds, nor has an adds date even been announced. And WWFM is still moving up several charts – so they probably aren’t even thinking of IIHY at this point (too early). Other than the fans following Adam on twitter or at concerts, I doubt it’s become the biggest news (and RCA is probably not wanting to cannibalize WWFM’s still growing success on charts, and sales, by releasing much to radio beyond BTS testing at this point.)

    ETA: Case in point, I follow several big artists pretty closely, and I never know much about what their next single will be either until it’s pretty much released on radio.

  85. Bottom line is I’m thrilled for Adam and Kris! Their singles are doing well!
    I’d like to see Kris’ album do better but hopefully with another successful single, the album sales will rise significantly! Kris has always been like the slow starter/come from behind kid! He is such a nice, likeable guy with huge talent so I’m not surprised his song is doing well!
    Ancedotally, I find some 11-18 year olds I know loving Kris and LLWD! Unfortunately I don’t hear the same love from that age group about WWFM. Unfortunately, I still hear kids/teens making comments about Adam personally, which seems to be affecting their desire to give the song a chance. On a personal note, I know there is a reality to this, but it makes my stomach turn. However, I’ve heard some pre teen girls I know love IIHY! Maybe 19 has tested the market and feels this song will bring Adam more younger fans? I do think that there may be an issue with some small minded people in hearing this dance type song being done by a man rather than a woman. (However, Michael Jackson, in his time, had hugely successful songs that people danced to).
    I’ve always believed that Adam would surpass Kris internationally but Kris would surpass Adam here in the states. I believe Simon is a successful business man for a reason and when he choose the wording “worldwide star” rather than “American…” I think he was onto something. Adam himself has eluded to people outside the US having more liberal views on things which bodes better for him I assume.
    I agree with the posters who feel that deals are made for some singer/songwriters cutting deals like Pink/Martin, etc. I believe on FYE, Adam wrote in the insert thanking Pink/Martin for giving him a “hit” song. He seemed to point WWFM out as a “hit” type of song, when thanking them whereas he did not use that wording when thanking others who contributed to his album. I personally like WWFM, and favor SW and FV. If IIHY does well maybe one of those two will be the next song? I hope it gets to that point! I acknowledge the “pronoun” problem with FV (but I don’t care personally) but see how others may. It’s a good song with a very talented writer backing it. SW, may have not been chosen b/c it’s more rock edge than IIHY and again 19 may be trying to pick a genre a bit different than WWFM and one that appeals more to a younger (dance) crowd.
    The one I’m still most concerned about is Allison. All that talent and I hear nothing on her. Such a shame.

  86. Yes- that’s why I find it so interesting that Adam seems to usually be very knowledgable about all the logistics surrounding him,

    Well, he too is an unreliable source on his own single. I well remember the roll-out of his first single when the date he promised went up in smoke and then two weeks later, Ryan suddenly tweeted it would be released the next day. I don’t recall him giving any heads up on his second single at all and we were all speculating like mad. We’ll see when this IIYH comes to fruition (and for the record, I think IIYH sounds like a cheesy, 80s song from some manufactured Scandinavian group. LOL. Oops. Here come the pitchforks and flaming torches again. Seriously, when he sang it on Oprah, I’m kind of like “Okay, he had to pick something safe for Oprah’s audience, but this thing is so dated”, so I was kind of stunned to hear it was the new single. But, what do I know?)

    Artists are in a tough position. They are expected to answer questions about their new singles or they look uniformed, but fundamentally, the label is going to make the decisions so sometimes the artist can’t win (either they say nothing and look like they are puppets who know nothing or they say something and then the label changes stragety and the artist looks like they are puppets who know nothing).

  87. I don’t know why it necessarily would be. It hasn’t gone to adds, nor has an adds date even been announced. And WWFM is still moving up several charts – so they probably aren’t even thinking of IIHY at this point (too early). Other than the fans following Adam on twitter or at concerts, I doubt it’s become the biggest news (and RCA is probably not wanting to cannibalize WWFM’s still growing success on charts, and sales, by releasing much to radio beyond BTS testing at this point.)

    Stations play songs that haven’t gone for adds all of the time. Stations jumped the gun and played Carrie’s Cowboy Casanova, including a version that wasn’t meant to be released, weeks before her label wanted them to, which forced the label to release the correct version of the song. There have been stations that played other tracks off of Adam’s album, and for weeks stations where LLWD has been very popular, have been playing the album version of Heartless.

    Many stations want to get the jump on playing new music, especially by artists who are labeled as being popular. They want to have bragging rights for playing the songs first, before anyone else in the country does.

    The topic was the buzz that Adam announcing the second single has created, my point was that I just don’t see it, except on the usual AI related message boards. If the song was truly creating buzz, I’d expect PDs to be jumping on it. It should have at least gotten a few spins, which is what happened with WWFM the Monday after the song was played on OHP. But, that was something that was orchestrated by RCA in order to create the illusion of buzz.

  88. Didn’t a radio station in NY play Fever yesterday? I think radio stations would play Fever because I think it would catch on. Otherwise, I don’t have a lot of hope for either Adam or Kris on the next single. It just seems to me that the second single from Idols never do as well…..except for Kelly, Daughtry and Carrie. Cook nor Archie really had a hit second song. Oh, but Jordin did. But she had Chris Brown.

    I think Kris could really make it in the country market. He’s got all the tools. Cross-over like Keith.

    I think if Adam can continue and build on his international success, then that will keep him relevant in the US and they can’t declare him a failure etc. So, even if you sell more units in the US, I do think being an international success is important in his long term future.

  89. It’s not even like he’s ducking the questions, he’s just genuinely interested in other people, and doesn’t understand that he also has to promote himself. I think it’s a case where he has to differentiate between self-promotion and arrogance.

    I think Kris is smarter than this.. I DO think he understands he needs to self-promote, he just isn’t comfortable with it. If he understands and choses not to do so, that is his choice, one that I understand. If I was in his shoes, that is something I would struggle with, it doesn’t come naturally and I’ve not have a few years of needing to do self promotion.

    I’m not sure what you mean by the last sentence. Could you explain this in more detail? or rephrase. If you are saying that self promotion is arrogance, I’d disagree.

  90. doeeye:
    04/12/2010 at 12:14 pm
    @Mtlfan, It was from this performance in Florida at the House of Blues (12/18/09 – so a long time ago), when he was announcing he was going to sing “The Truth”, he slipped and said this is the new single, then he realizes he misspoke and he says new song, off the album “The Truth”.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRzRr8MTOaY

    Thanks for finding this – I knew it had happened at some point during his Jingle Balls spree. Still, this does make me think this was in the works for a lot longer then we all realize.

  91. OMG. I can’t even elaborate how much i don’t like AWM (almost every song is better on his album). I also don’t think that anything but WWFM and Sleepwalker could be a radio hit in the US (Fever sounds like something Elton John would release in the 80’s), also Heartless is by far the best track on Kris’ album IMO, so i’m not surprised some radio station is playing it:).

  92. @Mtlfan, It was from this performance in Florida at the House of Blues (12/18/09 – so a long time ago), when he was announcing he was going to sing “The Truth”, he slipped and said this is the new single, then he realizes he misspoke and he says new song, off the album “The Truth”.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRzRr8MTOaY

    ah thank you doeeye. It’s just a misspoken thing then.

    I think Kris and Adam work closely with their respective management’s units so what we see regarding the singles release is more a reflection of the management than anything else.

  93. Kris is the best one at keep secrets according to the Season 8 idols, I bet that is the reason he hasn’t annouced his single yet. He likes to surprise people and keep them guessing that way. I think Adam has problems not talking about something when he is excited about it, so that is probably why he has already mentioned what his single will be.

  94. If their second song isn’t a hit, will radio give them another chance with a third?

    And yes, I’m surprised radio hasn’t played more songs off their albums, especially second single possibilities. Jordan’s No air was played months before it’s official release just because there was interest.

    I’m not familiar with Kris songs, but IIHY is one of my least fav on Adam’s album and I actually have to FF to the end. Sleepwalker would have been great especially after his Leno performance.

  95. It’s possible that in early December Jive was planning to go with TT as Kris’s 2nd single because it waswritten by a known commodity in Train’s Pat Monahan. But in early Dec., LLWD had just cracked the Top 20 on Hot AC and was in the low 30’s on the Pop chart. That fact that LLWD ended up doing much much better could have changed the execs minds about what the 2nd single should be.

    There’s also the possibility that — assuming that tweet from the recording studio engineer was correct about Pat Monahan recording vocals for TT — that if they did tweak TT in order to make it the next single, that they would not go with it if these tweaks didn’t turn out the way they wanted. And I think Kris does have the right to speak up if he really doesn’t want that as his next single — although whether Jive cares about Kris’s opinion is unknown.

  96. I think Kris is smarter than this.. I DO think he understands he needs to self-promote, he just isn’t comfortable with it. If he understands and choses not to do so, that is his choice, one that I understand. If I was in his shoes, that is something I would struggle with, it doesn’t come naturally and I’ve not have a few years of needing to do self promotion.

    I’m not sure what you mean by the last sentence. Could you explain this in more detail? or rephrase. If you are saying that self promotion is arrogance, I’d disagree.

    Firs, I agree with your first paragraph, I don’t think he’s comfortable with self-promotion, talking about himself, or having all of the focus be on him. This is what I was trying to say earlier, but you did a better job. But, while he doesn’t like this part of the business, it is something that is necessary.

    What I mean is that Kris has to know that promoting himself and his music isn’t being arrogant, that there is a difference between those things. It’s like people were saying a few months ago, he can be proud of himself as well as promote his abilities and music and still remain humble. I do think that there have been times where he’s felt like he couldn’t do this. It wasn’t until LLWD sold a million copies until he finally started to talk the song up, and say how proud he was of it.

  97. If you are saying that self promotion is arrogance, I’d disagree.

    koshka, I think it can be arrogant or it can be well done, so it all depends on how it’s done. I don’t think Kris is at ease yet with the self-promoting aspect. He was much more confortable promoting his charity single for obvious reasons.
    Like big Mike, when he said on the show (regarding the fact that his performnace was too theatrical) that people can just get his Itunes song, it rang a bit arrogant for me

  98. I’m not going to guess how IIHY will do. Let’s just say I’m not holding my breath and will be ecstatic if I’m wrong.

    I was one who didn’t think Kris’s single would pan out. I admit it. :-)

    Adam self promotes alot. He kept saying on his Intl promo tour for people to buy the cd if they wanted him to tour there.

  99. Levine, according to the article, Adam actually told the interviewer the name of the third single, so I think it’s reasonable that they would print it. It’s actually not the same as buzz, and people running with the information after Adam tweeted it, or even based on this article.

  100. lorismile – I know what you mean. I usually can tell how well a song does by letting my 5 year old listen. If she starts bopping along and singing the chorus after listening only a few times, then I know a song is going to go up the charts. Unfortunately with some of the songs on the top 40 – they are catchy which means I have to switch the station quickly. Singing about rude boys and disco sticks is not attractive in a 5 year old. LOL

  101. I’ve read that they have chosen Danny’s 2nd single. What is it, and when will it be released? His current single seems to have stalled a bit, although I guess it takes awhile for most songs to move up the country charts?

  102. The topic was the buzz that Adam announcing the second single has created, my point was that I just don’t see it, except on the usual AI related message boards. If the song was truly creating buzz, I’d expect PDs to be jumping on it. It should have at least gotten a few spins, which is what happened with WWFM the Monday after the song was played on OHP. But, that was something that was orchestrated by RCA in order to create the illusion of buzz.

    But, similar to Kris’s situation with LLWD still selling well, why would RCA really want to be pushing IIHY when WWFM IS doing so well and gaining so much? Again, other than Adam mentioning it on twitter and at one concert, I can’t see that his team WANTS to mess up WWFM’s momentum by releasing IIHY just yet. He’s not even playing it on AI. To me, it’s a timing thing – WWFM still has room to grow on the charts, and in sales, so why mess with that? Plus, they want IIHY to be timed closer to summer, so waiting a few weeks makes plenty of sense.

    And ah, yes – that “manufactured” buzz by RCA to support WWFM – you know, the same “manufactured” support that also led OHP to spin the crap out of it, plus Z100, plus leading it to become a top 10 song around the country. Mm-hmmm.

    And again, I’ll stand by it – if IIHY had not tested well, or was not strong enough to be the next single, I can’t see why RCA wouldn’t have gone with Sleepwalker, which is much more of a WWFM-esque song. I have faith in their judgment.

  103. There was a fan survey done by RCA about IIHY, and I seem to remember that the song was one of the runaway top choices with Fever and Sleepwalker.
    But everyone is worried that it’s not radio friendly now, so who knows..

  104. i think revealing single etc info in twitter or concerts makes fans eased, not much to do w the official releasing process. i think Kris’ fan worried too much too early.

  105. The topic was the buzz that Adam announcing the second single has created, my point was that I just don’t see it, except on the usual AI related message boards. If the song was truly creating buzz, I’d expect PDs to be jumping on it

    The topic was that an Adam fan on a AI blog site said that Adam is creating a “little buzz” by announcing the single at his concerts. The OP stated that this “little buzz” which was directed towards his fans at one of his Canadian concerts might be helping to “plant a seed” in some people’s heads. This is what the post said about the little buzz:

    He’s introducing it at concerts as his next single for summer which creates a little buzz and gets the seed planted in your mind. When he introduced it as such as the River Rock concert, the audience all cheered and yelled….very smart move.

    I don’t see any claims that Adam’s announcement of his next single is creating a buzz amoung PDs, radio stations, OHP or mainstream media.

    Mary 102: I also think it is a smart move on the part of Adam’s team to decide on and start some early, low-level promotion of the next single. As a fan, I’m happy to be done with the guessing game and it gives me some reassurance that RCA is fully supporting Adam and his album. I know they are filming the video on the 16th, so RCA will have the mv ready to go when they do the official release. By deciding on the next single a few weeks ago, they are more likely to be ready with all the promotion. I’m sure they are closely watching WWFM and will decide when the actual add date will be based on what happens with it.

  106. I don’t see any claims that Adam’s announcement of his next single is creating a buzz amoung PDs, radio stations, OHP or mainstream media.
    Mary 102: I also think it is a smart move on the part of Adam’s team to decide on and start some early, low-level promotion of the next single. As a fan, I’m happy to be done with the guessing game and it gives me some reassurance that RCA is fully supporting Adam and his album. I know they are filming the video on the 16th, so RCA will have the mv ready to go when they do the official release. By deciding on the next single a few weeks ago, they will be ready with all the promotion. I’m sure they are closely watching WWFM and will decide when the actual add date will be based on what happens with it.

    This ^^^^^ Sounds like they have all their ducks in a row for a change. Vid ready – check, (assuming) promo set up – check, gigs set up – check.

  107. I’ve read that they have chosen Danny’s 2nd single. What is it, and when will it be released? His current single seems to have stalled a bit, although I guess it takes awhile for most songs to move up the country charts?

    Danny had said a little while ago that his second single would be “I will not say good-bye” and recently announced in a podcast with a radio station that he will be shooting the video for this song in a couple of weeks. I don’t know when the song will be sent out to radio though.

  108. I also think it is a smart move on the part of Adam’s team to decide on and start some early, low-level promotion of the next single. As a fan, I’m happy to be done with the guessing game and it gives me some reassurance that RCA is fully supporting Adam and his album. I know they are filming the video on the 16th, so RCA will have the mv ready to go when they do the official release. By deciding on the next single a few weeks ago, they will be ready with all the promotion. I’m sure they are closely watching WWFM and will decide when the actual add date will be based on what happens with it.

    This ^^^^^ Sounds like they have all their ducks in a row for a change. Vid ready – check, (assuming) promo set up – check, gigs set up – check.

    Yeah – this is my general take too. Everything is just lining up for when the song WILL be released.

    Take songs like new Gaga or Rihanna tracks – even the timing of their new songs is generally as one peaks the next one is released. In some cases the song peaks very quickly, and goes down quickly, so a new single is rushed out (Blah Blah Blah seemed to follow that trajectory). In the case of WWFM, though, still growing, so why cannibalize by releasing another? It’s in RCA’s best interest, imo, to keep their still strong selling, headed to platinum, single staying in the forefront.

  109. I’m not too worried (yet) about Jive’s/19’s support of Kris. As others have said, he’s been doing a ton of concerts/promotional apperances, his Ford commercials are being aired all over the place now rather than just during AI, his songs have been used on other shows both overseas and here in the US (as well as being heard in stores — I’ve seen many tweets from people about hearing RG while grocery shopping or LIR while in some clothing store, for example).

    What I AM is anxious/eager for the 2nd single and disappointed that it wasn’t released before LLWD really started to slide on the charts. I think it would have made more sense to have at leas revealed what the 2nd single is — even if it’s not quite ready for release yet. At least get some anticipation/buzz going for it.

    Since Kris plays TT, AWM and BWCU at pretty much every gig he does, that doesn’t give any hint as to which of these will be the next single (it does seem narrowed down to these 3 — it would be very funny if it turned out to be something out of left field, like BIB!)

  110. (I’m not dissing Kris, I’m just impressed with the amount of trust they seem to have in Adam despite his being a new artist).

    I’ve thought about his a lot mr….is it “trust” from his label, or Adam’s desire and will to be involved in everything? Or maybe a little of both? He’s said more than once in interviews that possibly when an Idol has a bad experience with their label, it just might mean that they weren’t vocal enough in what they wanted…or maybe they weren’t even sure themselves what they wanted, and left most things up to the label to decide. I personally think that his self-admitted controlling personality along with a strong sense of who he is and where he wants to go has been a huge asset so far.

  111. Jx223

    Is there a general consensus about “I Will Not Say Goodbye? Do fans seem to like it? Is it a good fit from country radio? I haven’t heard it — at least not the entire song, anyway.

  112. It seems to me that radio is becoming only one of many outlets for songs these days. Radio Spins don’t have as much impact on the national consciousness as it did 10, 20 or more years ago.
    With iPods and Satellite Radio (my preference in the car –no commercials) internet streaming (my preference at work) and tv shows (soundtracks and cable music), commercials using mainstream music, etc.
    The reason songs STAY popular and remain a remembered HIT is not its place on BB 100 or any airplay chart – the reason a song is a hit and remains one over time is because of a social, emotional connection to the song. Most of us in the 30yr and over set have heard select songs so many times it is part of our lives which makes them hits.
    Whenever I look at old charts from the past decades I don’t know or have never heard most of the songs in the top 10 or top 20 (no matter which kind of list).
    Even some of the number ones are elusive at best.
    For a hit to last in today and tomorrow’s world it needs to be all things, on charts, radio play, soundtracks, commercials, in the news, on MP3s and pirated (yes I said it) so it becomes the soundtracks of our special memories.
    When in doubt I frequently turn off top 40 and POP and rely on 70s, 80s and 90s satellite, radio and cable TV music channels – they just make me feel good.
    in the future when they play 2000, and 2010 music WHO will be played? Adam, Kris, Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, Clay, Ruben, Fantasia? – we will have to wait and see.

  113. Can someone tell me (without going into a back and forth #s discussion like last night) what WWFM sales are in the US (meaning # downloads)? I thought it was in the 800K range, but then I saw a different # so I’m confused.

  114. Well, I have gone on record that I thought Adam jumped the gun with his IIHY announcement, but whatever. I suspect that in view of the Idol performance and the late adoption of WWFM by some stations that there is some sort of agreement between RCA and the big stations that have supported WWFM relatively early on (like z100, the kisses — were he is performing in their spring fling concerts)not to do anything wrt IIHY until after the WWFM performance this week. He is filming the IIHY video this week so I would bet that in about 2 weeks an adds date will be announced and you will start to see the test spins on the big stations. and this time thru they will release the video concurrently with the song (or maybe even prior to the adds date). I do think that IIHY will have a relatively short run….even if it does well on pop, it will be boom up the chart and down. It is a fun song that burns out quickly. But then they can go to Sleepwalker which I bet will be his biggest hit from the cd. I will say that my 10 year old son is lukewarm on IIHY — his favorites by far are music again, fye and Tfm (I told him he needs to move to Europe or Asia — he shares a similar musical sensibility with those cultures). But my friends’ tween daughters and their friends LOVE IIHY….they jump and dance around to it and know all of the words. So who the heck knows how it will do.

  115. They should do the surveys among non-fans:). I would choose IIHY over Fever if i had to, but still the verses of the song just kill me – i demand re-recording of the vocals at least:).

  116. AnninSD – you are missing the all important “Animated movie with talking animals”!

    LOL, but you are right.

  117. Jx223

    Is there a general consensus about “I Will Not Say Goodbye? Do fans seem to like it? Is it a good fit from country radio? I haven’t heard it — at least not the entire song, anyway.

    From what I have seen it a lot of Danny’s internet fans like the song. We all have different favorite songs from his album, but the vast majority of onlie his fans do like “I will not say good-bye”. I think that that the studio version of the song has good instrumentation. I am not sure how well it will be received by country radio.

    Also at one of his recent concerts Danny said his song “Crazy Not To” will eventually be sent out to radio. I think that “Crazy Not To” will be Danny’s third single. It looks like he and his label have decided what his next two singles will be.

    A lot of his fans like “Crazy Not To” as well.

  118. springboard:
    04/12/2010 at 12:42 pm
    There was a fan survey done by RCA about IIHY, and I seem to remember that the song was one of the runaway top choices with Fever and Sleepwalker.
    But everyone is worried that it’s not radio friendly now, so who knows..

    Well, if by “everyone” you mean people on idol blogs like this, I guess…

    IDK, I’d say that I liked WWFM and LLWD as strong hit potentials from the beginning (and thought Scars was a TERRIBLE radio single choice). IIHY is insanely catchy, hooky, fun, and I can see it doing similarly well. It is one of Adam’s funner, lighter songs, and with lyrics like trashing up a room till 10 in the morning it’s very Kesha/party central-esque (which is hot now). And it works even better for the summer. So it definitely has a lot going in its favor.

    I’d say the only reservation from me is that, with ANY new song there is always going to be uncertainty as to what will be big. You just can never really tell in the end.

    FTR – I find Alejandro to be a weird single choice for Gaga – very 90’s Ace of Base sound to me. So in terms of stuff being dated, eh, really hard to say, imo.

  119. Adds (as of 10 a.m. L.A. time)

    A Father’s Love – 6 (6 Country)
    AIEW – 5 (4 Hot AC (incl. SF), 1 Pop)
    WWFM – 4 (1 Canada Main AC; 1 US Hot AC (Wash DC), 2 US AC)
    LLWD – 3 (1 Canada Hot AC; 2 US AC (including NYC) )
    MBD – 3 (3 Country)
    Scars – 0

    PS – I checked to see if any stations have added Anoop’s single yet, and the answer is no, no one has. How hard is it going to be for him to get radio to play that single, considering he doesn’t have a label pushing it for him?

  120. I can’t see why RCA wouldn’t have gone with Sleepwalker, which is much more of a WWFM-esque song.

    I would be stunned if “Sleepwalker” isn’t his 4th single (even if IIYH crashes and burns, I think that they will still take a chance on a song like “Sleepwalker”. Plus, RCA seems to be strongly invested in promoting Adam). Maybe his fifth.

    RCA couldn’t go with “Sleepwalker” for his third single because having two ballads in a row doesn’t really mesh with the Adam persona they are selling. Adam is supposed to be a sexy, OTT, Rock Gawd (AMA performance, his outfits, his concerts, his photoshoots). If he is going to be a sleepy ballader, they need to put him in cardigans and having him bake something with Martha Stewart. Now, IIYH isn’t Rock GAWD, but at least it’s something that’s upbeat and you can dance to it. Frankly, his album is “Rock GAWD” fail, but it has some “Dance GAWD” songs on it and that will work (Madonna is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, so Dance works for Rock even if her songs wouldn’t typically be played on any radio format with the word “Rock” in it).

    Just like AI, it is good to mix things up with your singles if you can.

  121. How hard is it going to be for him to get radio to play that single, considering he doesn’t have a label pushing it for him?

    Sadly.. next to impossible.

  122. Along the lines of my question about Anoop’s single, didn’t Michael Sarver announce his second single? Has it been released yet? And was his first single ever sent for adds to country radio?

  123. Frankly, his album is “Rock GAWD” fail,

    I think that if it was supposed to be rock GAWD Randy would be happy. *snark* But I don’t get the impression that this is what the album was intended to be.

  124. Kirsten – I agree with your point about wanting to mix things up and show the dance side of Adam rather than just ballady part of him. Plus, IIHY just works better for timing with Summer. However, my main point is still that RCA has a lot invested in him, has (very likely) done a lot of homework, and if IIHY was not likely to do strong or had gotten negative feedback from PDs, they would have likely switched to SW, regardless, to make sure they didn’t make a bad investment. JMO.

  125. Oh hey I heard Heartbreak on Vinyl on Sirius this morning. It was good..although the vocals were had a sort of tin can sound and shuffled to the background, if that makes sense. It was cool to hear though.

  126. I don’t see any claims that Adam’s announcement of his next single is creating a buzz amoung PDs, radio stations, OHP or mainstream media.

    Thank you Mary102…you’re correct, I wasn’t claiming (nor said) that at all.

  127. for the record, I think IIYH sounds like a cheesy, 80s song from some manufactured Scandinavian group. LOL. Oops. Here come the pitchforks and flaming torches again.

    No pitchforks, but have you heard GaGa’s Alejandro lately? Very retro vibe. Even Poker Face had an ABBA nod to it. For kids who don’t remember the 80’s or 70’s (because they hadn’t been born), the similarities are not really an issue.

  128. I’m a little iffy on IIHY only because it is Europop and that genre has a pretty spotty record here in the US. Everytime we Touch by Cascada was a top 10 hit, Evacuate The Dancefloor didn’t do as well, and Bulletproof by LaRoux is doing even worse despite the top stations in NY and LA pushing them. And Adam is the only male singing it right now, so uncharted territory. I have every confidence though that if they released Sleepwalker or Fever and radio actually played it, that those two songs would be huge hits.

    I called LLWD a hit from day one. I believe I predicted WWFM would be top 20 but I was iffy on top 10. FYE i thought would be a HUGE hit but there is only so much you can do if PD’s won’t play the song. At least it’s a hit everywhere else but here :)

    In all honesty I did not like TT at all.

  129. LauelG- Alejandro isn’t just Europop- it’s fucking ABBA! If that song becomes a hit I will have more confidence in IIHY, but at the same time I will question America’s collective taste in music, lol.

    Gaga has a lot of nods to the 80’s on her album- most of the songs are New Wave and remind me of Missing Persons.

  130. As we know, StreetPulse isn’t usually all that accurate, but just as a general FYI, they are predicting a 45.7% drop in album sales for Danny, and a 5.7% increase in album sales for Carrie (no other Idol is listed on any of their charts)

  131. No pitchforks, but have you heard GaGa’s Alejandro lately? Very retro vibe. Even Poker Face had an ABBA nod to it. For kids who don’t remember the 80’s or 70’s (because they hadn’t been born), the similarities are not really an issue.

    I’d agree with this, which is why I can’t contribute to the “what should they sing” threads. Also shows that these S9 can’t update songs. Music never goes backwards, but re-invents itself. I’ve heard lots of songs that I think have flavors of 70’s disco and some 80’s music, so our S9 folks should be able to go there. Even Crystal and her Lilith Fair vibe should be doing a little more to update the songs. *shrug* Sorry a little OT.

  132. Frankly, his album is “Rock GAWD” fail,

    I think that if it was supposed to be rock GAWD Randy would be happy. *snark* But I don’t get the impression that this is what the album was intended to be.

    I don’t know what else Adam could have done to explain what his album was going to be. From day 1 he described it as an eclectic mix of pop, electronic, fresh rock, all with a nod to the past. Just because Randy wanted him to go rock (along with some of his fans)and Kara called him a rock God, doesn’t mean crap. All you had to do was listen to the horse’s mouth, so to speak. He was pretty clear what was to come.

  133. I would be stunned too if “Sleepwalker” isn’t his 4th single (even if IIYH crashes and burns, I think that they will still take a chance on a song like “Sleepwalker”. Plus, RCA seems to be strongly invested in promoting Adam).

    I agree. I would be stunned if they don’t release Sleepwalker too, no matter what happends with IIHY. I’m thinking they’ll pull a FYE/WWFM switch if they see IIHY doesn’t catch on. Adam fans are very lucky he is so heavlily promoted by RCA.

    Actually agree with your whole entire post Kirsten.

  134. Well, if by “everyone” you mean people on idol blogs like this, I guess…

    IDK, I’d say that I liked WWFM and LLWD as strong hit potentials from the beginning (and thought Scars was a TERRIBLE radio single choice). IIHY is insanely catchy, hooky, fun, and I can see it doing similarly well. It is one of Adam’s funner, lighter songs, and with lyrics like trashing up a room till 10 in the morning it’s very Kesha/party central-esque (which is hot now). And it works even better for the summer. So it definitely has a lot going in its favor.

    I’d say the only reservation from me is that, with ANY new song there is always going to be uncertainty as to what will be big. You just can never really tell in the end.

    FTR – I find Alejandro to be a weird single choice for Gaga – very 90’s Ace of Base sound to me. So in terms of stuff being dated, eh, really hard to say, imo.

    I also find IIHY extremely catchy, even more than Fever. It’s true that has a retro sound, but Lady Gaga is paving the way with songs like Bad Romance and Alejando, I think. Alejandro has a southern european holiday feel and it’s different to most other Top 40 songs..so let’s hope that IIHY catches on..

  135. but have you heard GaGa’s Alejandro lately? Very retro vibe. Even Poker Face had an ABBA nod to it. For kids who don’t remember the 80’s or 70’s (because they hadn’t been born), the similarities are not really an issue.

    Retro is definately coming back…how big it will be, who knows. But just look at fashion. This spring, big flower prints, gauze smock tops for women, the longer hippie type dresses…I thought I had re-entered the 70’s when I walked into Kohl’s this past weekend. Home design is also going retro which I love, so I’m in heaven. :) But it only makes sense that music will follow right along with fashion and styles.

    Edit: Or maybe fashion follows music…not sure what direction it goes!

  136. Frankly, his album is “Rock GAWD” fail,

    It wouldn’t even be much of an issue if Adam wasn’t always saying he was rock & roll. He wears Rock God T-shirts and mentions rock star so much in interviews that he is pushing that image yet expects us to accept his europop and dancey stuff in spite of the dissonance.

  137. I thought WWFM would do very well on Top 40. It didn’t do quite as well as I expected actually. IIHY just seems generic and almost corny. I doubt it will do as well as WWFM. I really don’t see much sense in comparing Adam’s career to Gaga. She a phenom and the only lesson learned from her is that women continue to totally dominate Top 40 radio.

    No male doing dance music has done squat. The only solo males doing well are all urban artists.

  138. I do think that IIHY will have a relatively short run….even if it does well on pop, it will be boom up the chart and down. It is a fun song that burns out quickly. But then they can go to Sleepwalker which I bet will be his biggest hit from the cd . . . But my friends’ tween daughters and their friends LOVE IIHY….they jump and dance around to it and know all of the words.

    I think this is a likely scenario, and I agree that IIHY appeals mostly to tween/teen/young girls. And Sleepwalker SHOULD be the biggest hit off the album. His vocals are perfection, the lyrics are haunting and he can rock it out live. I never tire of that song.

  139. Adam wasn’t always saying he was rock & roll.

    I can’t recall him ever saying he was rock and roll.. only that its “all rock and roll” – which to me is a way of thinking, not a sound. YMMV

  140. UGH.. This Kris fan just wants them to announce the next darn single already!!!!! Somebody needs to let Kris know that it is not nice to string his fans along… GirlyGirl, if he still hasn’t announced it by this weekend, can you and the girls lock him in a room until he squeels??? Teehee.. His fans will collect the bail money for you.

  141. I think this is a likely scenario, and I agree that IIHY appeals mostly to tween/teen/young girls.

    Why thank you for the compliment… I did just get carded for buying beer. Maybe I am aging backwards. LOL *wink*

    I actually do and have always preferred this song to WWFM, which is one of my least favs.

  142. Why thank you for the compliment… I did just get carded for buying beer. Maybe I am aging backwards. LOL *wink*

    You’re welcome! ;)

  143. IIHY just sounds way too corny to me to appeal to many teens.
    When are they releasing it?

    In terms of hit potential, I’d rank it above FYE but way below WWFM. If the song flops and/or doesn’t generate significant album sales, I doubt Adam gets a 4th single. Unless RCA is so desperate to recoup they’re just going to keep throwing $ down the drain.

    Everything really depends on how the album is doing ultimately.

  144. It wouldn’t even be much of an issue if Adam wasn’t always saying he was rock & roll. He wears Rock God T-shirts and mentions rock star so much in interviews that he is pushing that image yet expects us to accept his europop and dancey stuff in spite of the dissonance.

    Adam always explains that rock and roll is a “spirit”. He has said on numberous times that when he says “rock and roll” he is referring to a spirit, not a complete sound. A few of his songs on his CD definately have rock undertones…not everything is “dancey stuff”. As for his clothing….my husband has an AC/DC shirt he loves to wear, but he sure doesn’t sing rock. So I guess I’m not sure how Adam’s clothes really mean anything other than he likes a few rock groups and likes to wear clothing that shows it.

  145. I am thrilled as his fan that Adam Lambert has an HAC top 10 hit. I love the CD and never expected nor wanted it to be “Rawk” – I expected and wanted some songs to “nod,” as Adam puts it, toward Queen-type rock, which some do – and which is exactly all he ever said regarding “Rawk” prior to the CD release.

  146. They should do the surveys among non-fans:). I would choose IIHY over Fever if i had to, but still the verses of the song just kill me – i demand re-recording of the vocals at least:).

    And as a fan I want the verses of IIHY re-written and re-recorded. The lyrics are ridiculous. The chorus is stupidly catchy though.

    Gaga could release just about anything right now and it’s a hit. She’s probably going to release the whole Fame Monster at this rate.

    I really like Teeth and Monster. ;)

    I also liked ABBA, so Alejandro is fine with me.

  147. Everything really depends on how the album is doing ultimately.

    I think if it was as simple as this then there are a number of Idols that wouldn’t be getting new singles these days.

  148. I like Brown Eyes more than Alejandro.

    eta, WWFM and IIHY rank the same in my o-so-determinant list

  149. jpfan

    disagree with on teens and IIHY. I’ve had teens in the car when this song plays and they love it; so much so that they continue head bobbing to PUU.

  150. jpfan:
    04/12/2010 at 1:47 pm
    IIHY just sounds way too corny to me to appeal to many teens.
    When are they releasing it?

    In terms of hit potential, I’d rank it above FYE but way below WWFM. If the song flops and/or doesn’t generate significant album sales, I doubt Adam gets a 4th single.

    IIHY is not my fave either, but neither was WWFM. As far as teens go, they sure seem to be eating up Tik Tok and Blah Blah Blah. They even liked that annoying Owl City song. They seem to like corny and they love songs you can dance to. Teens even liked that Party in the USA song from Miley- even though they don’t like her. Teens are too hard to figure out sometimes. :)

    If IIHY doesn’t do well, RCA will send it overseas. I’m also betting it will do well in Canada. They do have more options with more markets than just the US. I believe Adam will get a 4th single and it will be Sleepwalker.

    Everything really depends on how the album is doing ultimately.

    I think if it was as simple as this then there are a number of Idols that wouldn’t be getting new singles these days.

    ITA. If everything had to do with album sales, Kris would be done. I’m sure there are many factors involved in how many singles are released from certain albums, including international support.

  151. ITA. If everything had to do with album sales, Kris would be done. I’m sure there are many factors involved in how many singles are released from certain albums, including international support.

    Yeah, I agree, I just didn’t want to poke anyone in the eye. But I’d also add Gokey, allison, Sarver. Those are just idols I know of from this past season. IDK what McPhee, etal are doing.

  152. jpfan:
    04/12/2010 at 1:47 pm
    IIHY just sounds way too corny to me to appeal to many teens.
    When are they releasing it?

    That’s funny, IIHY is actually my daughter’s favorite song on the album and she is seventeen… I admit, when I heard that IIHY is the next single, I was kind of upset and I really, really love Sleepwalker, but then I talked to my girl and I think it is actually going to be ok.:)
    Also want to add how happy I am about RCA’s continued support of Adam, can’t wait for the IIHY video!

  153. I think IIHY is really catchy, I think it will do fine.

    It wouldn’t even be much of an issue if Adam wasn’t always saying he was rock & roll. He wears Rock God T-shirts and mentions rock star so much in interviews that he is pushing that image yet expects us to accept his europop and dancey stuff in spite of the dissonance.

    Well I for one don’t think what he wears is an issue, but I do think he got branded Rock God while on Idol, so I believe that for some of the more casual fans his album could represent a disconnect.

    Since the album has dropped I don’t think he has marketed himself as a rocker, so for non-Idol fan there probably isn’t much of a disconnect IMO.

  154. Yeah if they went just by album sales, Allison never would have gotten a second single, and neither would Danny (since his sales are currently behind Kris’s pace). Allison already got a 2nd single and Danny is definitely getting one. Not to mention Jordin continues to put singles out and her 2nd album isn’t selling well, is it?

    Jive/19 wouldn’t have Kris do all this promotion (he’s doing FIVE acoustic radio gigs between today and Wednesday alone, then opens for Lady A on Thursday and does his concert in The Bahamas on Saturday) if they weren’t going to release another single.

    Kris is definitely getting a 2nd single, the question is when.

  155. CHART DATE: 04/12/2010
    LAST UPDATE: 04/12/2010 11:19:52
    NOW IN: 54.02%

    LW TW artist / album label power index
    2 1 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJMG 86,929
    MY WORLD 2.0
    1 2 USHER LAFACE/JLG 54,225
    RAYMOND VS. RAYMOND
    3 3 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 33 CAPITOL/EMI 45,691
    VARIOUS ARTISTS
    5 4 LADY ANTEBELLUM CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 39,493
    NEED YOU NOW
    — 5 SLASH DIK HAYD/EMI 25,640
    SLASH
    6 6 MONICA J RECORDS/RMG 24,619
    STILL STANDING
    9 7 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 17,634
    FAME
    8 8 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJMG 17,244
    MY WORLD
    7 9 ALAN JACKSON ARISTA NASHVILLE 16,951
    FREIGHT TRAIN
    10 10 BLACK EYED PEAS INTERSCOPE 16,033
    E.N.D. (ENERGY NEVER DIES)

    27 23 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 7,642
    PLAY ON

    35 27 SUSAN BOYLE COLUMBIA 6,521
    I DREAMED A DREAM

    — 44 DAUGHTRY 19/RCA/RMG 4,088
    LEAVE THIS TOWN

    — 50 DANNY GOKEY 19/RCA NASHVILLE 3,351
    MY BEST DAYS

    Full chart:
    http://hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

  156. Kris is definitely getting a 2nd single, the question is when.

    I think I hear a thousand fingers drumming their desks right now. :)

  157. Well I for one don’t think what he wears is an issue, but I do think he got branded Rock God while on Idol, so I believe that for some of the more casual fans his album could represent a disconnect.

    Kara first labeled him that. It does strike me as rather strange that people should hold Adam accountable for not living up to somebody else’s description of him. If Adam ever said he was aiming toward an exclusive Rock genre, I missed it.

  158. im 18,and i love fye,iihy,sfw,dtrw,…iihy its very catchy song.also love kesha,lady gaga as well.

  159. Kara first labeled him that. It does strike me as rather strange that people should hold Adam accountable for not living up to somebody else’s description of him. If Adam ever said he was aiming toward a Rock genre, I missed it.

    Eh. Unfair, illogical, or no… it happens every year. He got called a rocker more than once, some of his most memorable performances were rock-tinged songs/tender ballads, and then to top it all off they paired him at the finale with KISS (?) so to some people they thought he was going to make a glam rock/metal kind of record with a couple of Mad Worlds thrown in. LOL. Oh well, life goes on.

  160. Adam and Kris should be happy they have cuts on the latest “Now That’s What I Call Music” cd, since that will make them at least a little bit of money. Neither one is likely to make much, if anything, off their own debut album, since they only get a very small percentage of the sales. And they are the ones responsible for paying their band members and crew members. I believe he only people working with them who get paid directly by 19 or the label are their assistant/handler and their publist. Everyone else’s salary I think comes out of Kris’s or Adam’s earnings.

  161. Reminder:

    Let’s get back to discussing the charts

    EDIT: Just deleted a bunch of posts. Let’s stick to discussing the numbers. I’ll open the thread again in a few.

  162. I was looking at the Hits Daily Double there. How many albums did Danny sell last week? Do we know roughly how much of a drop he is going to take and is everyone getting a big drop this week since we don’t have the Easter baskets to fill?

  163. PS – I checked to see if any stations have added Anoop’s single yet, and the answer is no, no one has. How hard is it going to be for him to get radio to play that single, considering he doesn’t have a label pushing it for him?

    Really really really hard. Like, virtually impossible.

    It’s too bad that this is the world we live in, but it is…. Could be the best single ever written and performed on the planet. And it would still be virtually impossible.

  164. As far as the charts and radio play….Once a song is added when can a radio station delete it if they want…..I thought I read that someone said that Adam’s stalling on pop had something to do with Cumulus adding him late then after about a month deleted him from their stations.(this is not the only reason but one of them) Does this number get reflected in the Add totals on media-base. I don’t see where his number of total radio stations added went down. Or is that not recognized in that way. Is the number of radio stations added only the total number that added it not the total number of radio stations that are playing it and any giving moment on the chart. Is my question making sense? Has it ever been heard of that a song stalled and them gained a new life on the Pop chart and stated charting higher again. Not saying this will happen to WWFM but just asking to see if there is an outside chance. Thanks

  165. Everything really depends on how the album is doing ultimately.

    I think if it was as simple as this then there are a number of Idols that wouldn’t be getting new singles these days.
    ITA. If everything had to do with album sales, Kris would be done. I’m sure there are many factors involved in how many singles are released from certain albums, including international support.

    jmom376, that, to me, is just a refutation against an over-simplified statement that album sales determine everything, not an assertion that Kris won’t have another single.

  166. MJ, sorry for going off topic.

    Anyone know when Danny’s next single is going to be sent to radio?

  167. As far as the charts and radio play….Once a song is added when can a radio station delete it if they want…..I thought I read that someone said that Adam’s stalling on pop had something to do with Cumulus adding him late then after about a month deleted him from their stations.(this is not the only reason but one of them) Does this number get reflected in the Add totals on media-base. I don’t see where his number of total radio stations added went down. Or is that not recognized in that way. Is the number of radio stations added only the total number that added it not the total number of radio stations that are playing it and any giving moment on the chart. Is my question making sense? Has it ever been heard of that a song stalled and them gained a new life on the Pop chart and stated charting higher again. Not saying this will happen to WWFM but just asking to see if there is an outside chance. Thanks

    Does a station actually delete a song? I thought once a station adds a song it’s always available for them, even after it goes recurrent. Is it maybe that they just took WWFM out of rotation, not that they deleted it?

  168. anovich:
    04/12/2010 at 3:12 pm

    MJ, sorry for going off topic.

    I am too except I didn’t know it was off topic. Isn’t this where we can talk about the music business, sales and radio stuff?

  169. I think the consensus on Pulse was (Top 40) Cumulus dropped their spins after a about month, after it took them 3 months to add the song initially. I’m sure the song is in the system, but they don’t have to play it if they don’t want to.

    I’m a little surprised to see Adds coming in this late in the game today, but that’s cool.

    eta: dropped their spins as in spin count, not dropped them completely

  170. Cumulus POP stations are still spining WWFM, they just lowered the rotation, but he’s still getting between 15-20 spins/week from each one (this is last week’s statistic).

  171. There was nothing suspicious about adding the song later. It happens all the time.

  172. 50 DANNY GOKEY 19/RCA NASHVILLE 3,351
    MY BEST DAYS

    I am glad to see Danny in top 50 for the first update from HDD this week. He wasn’t in the Top 50 in any of the updates last week from HDD, including the first one. But he still had an increase in sales. I do think that he will have a drop this week, I just don’t know how much. I’m not sure how much I trust streetpulse, they are off sometimes.

    Hopefully when the final numbers come in he will still be Top 70, last week he was #61.

  173. Some updates from the Canadian charts… WWFM is back up to #3 on top40 today (#4 on the official chart) but dropped to #2 on HAC (#1 in the official chart). Also charting now on Canada AC, where it is at #32.

    LLWD is #24 on Canada HAC, dropped out of top50 on Canada top40.

  174. Anyone know when Danny’s next single is going to be sent to radio?

    It hasn’t been announced yet. But if they’re planning on the video already it probably won’t be too long, I’d guess between a month and 6 weeks from now at the latest. My Best Days probably dropped a spot on the Billboard chart this week to #30 and it’s been stuck for a while. Nothing behind it’s gaining huge right now so it might move up a few spots the next few weeks because of recurrents if it doesn’t start losing airplay. Just last week I was saying Danny’s label needed to start thinking about cutting bait and seeing if they could find a different song people who listen to country radio might like better than MBD because it was clear MBD wasn’t going to work. It seems like they’re about ready to.

    I Will Not Say Goodbye is a very Rascal Flatts sounding song without the nasally or twangy singing. IMO that style is passe for country radio. Even Rascal Flatts isn’t getting the play it used to these days. But if people connect it to the real life tragedy Danny’s been through it has a chance of doing better than MBD.

  175. Judee:
    04/12/2010 at 3:25 pm
    There was nothing suspicious about adding the song later. It happens all the time

    It was suspicious given the history of how quickly they added the other idols’ songs. It’s not like there is anything controversial in WWFM. But, what’s done is done. IMO, 15 to 20 spins per station is not in line with how other stations are spinning WWFM. Considering where it has been on the charts, it seems as if they would have spun it more. I’m not expecting much support from them for Adam’s next single or future singles either. Eh, water under the bridge.

  176. Isn’t this where we can talk about the music business, sales and radio stuff?

    Yes it is. But it’s not the place to bait–and to argue over topics that have been rehashed over and over again.

    When a conversation becomes angry and redundant, I delete the whole conversation.

  177. I Will Not Say Goodbye is a very Rascal Flatts sounding song without the nasally or twangy singing.

    I don’t see that at all. I don’t see Rascal Flatts as soulful singers; definitely not like Danny has been getting the buzz for.

    And IWNSGB is a very soulful song with a very large vocal range- really not very Flatts, IMO.

    Even though Danny likes to sing Rascal, he puts a whole nother spin on their songs; they sound much more country rock and very soulful.

  178. Thanks to all who help explain the Add/dropped question I had and making it clearer for me. I guess sometimes the verbiage can mislead so the song was not actually dropped or deleted. What about the Idea it could rebound and start rising on Pop format again or is that totally out of the question at this point. Thanks again!

  179. What about the Idea it could rebound and start rising on Pop format again or is that totally out of the question at this point.

    Probably not out of the question, but probably unlikely. The charts seem really weak right now, which means it could conceivably start picking up spins again (especially after idol, maybe?) IDK.

  180. I think we can safely say that WWFM has peaked. It is still getting syndicated spins at the same rate as before which is why it is not dropping fast like LLWD did. Let’s hope WWFM can still get them for a week or two more and drop slowly.

  181. Adam’s chart listings, sales and future singles all go hand in hand. (this goes for anyone)
    WWFM is charting really well. Top 10 on HAC is a great thing! I believe the video had a lot to do with this. People want to hear on the radio what they have on their ipods & see on VH1 and Vevo.
    Adam is visual and excels at visual media. If his next video does well I imagine you will see it chart high also.
    Spins matter, they reinforce first impressions and remind people the song it available to buy.
    And charting those spins make for a great sound bite like, “top 10 single” goes a long way on TV appearances and radio spots.

    The fact IIHY is getting a video is telling on several fronts; it is the next single and they are making enough money to support this kind of promotion.
    Songs that get music videos made (especially 3rd or 4th singles) are from albums/artists making money for their label.

    Adam has a gold album still on BB200 (with sales nearly $6 million, conservatively) a top 10 HAC single (nearly platinum add $1 million) and a successful video (add$?).
    I don’t think RCA is having any issues with this album, the charts or sales.

    I see the HDD numbers and I find it surprising Adam is not there, considering last week he sold the exact same as Daughtry and Daughtry was and is listed.
    I would bet Adam has a slight increase this week (and next) on album sales and HDD is missing something in the forecasting.

  182. IMO, 15 to 20 spins per station is not in line with how other stations are spinning WWFM.

    Yes it is. This is the Mediabase chart for last week’s spins thru Saturday on the Top 40 format. There are plenty of Clear Channel, Entercom & other miscellaneous stations that reduced spins, too.

    BTW, this information is really easy to access, so you can see exactly where the spins are coming from. It updates on Sunday around midnight PST (before airplay updates a few hours later), and always shows spins from Sunday thru Saturday. You can also find some of the same information daily on All Access.

    http://addboard.mediabase.com/SongAddHistory.asp?Startdate=&AddFormat=&RemoveFormat=A1

  183. girlygirl:
    04/12/2010 at 1:09 pm
    Adds (as of 10 a.m. L.A. time)

    WWFM – 4 (1 Canada Main AC; 1 US Hot AC (Wash DC), 2 US AC)
    LLWD – 3 (1 Canada Hot AC; 2 US AC (including NYC) )

    WWFM & LLWD both have 5 adds as of now (4:20 p.m. EST). LLWD has 3 AC adds in decent sized markets, plus 1 Canada Hot AC & CAC. WWFM has 3 AC, 1 Hot AC and 1 Canadian Main AC.

    Looks good for these songs to do the slow climb up the AC chart now.

  184. Just last week I was saying Danny’s label needed to start thinking about cutting bait and seeing if they could find a different song people who listen to country radio might like better than MBD because it was clear MBD wasn’t going to work. It seems like they’re about ready to.

    Since Danny just announced that they are about to film the video for his next single, it looks like RCA Nashville is giving up on MBD. Despite what people have said, it was clear that that song wasn’t going to work, when nobody was buying it.

  185. There should be a pretty big drop in sales this week. Post Easter isn’t as bad as Post Xmas but it’ll be big.

    Usher alone looks to drop about 70%.

  186. There should be a pretty big drop in sales this week. Post Easter isn’t as bad as Post Xmas but it’ll be big.

    Yep, it’s not going to be pretty.

  187. What’s Dial Global that added WWFM today, a satellite AC station?

    Detroit is a pretty nice add too.

  188. jpfan: “IIHY just sounds way too corny to me to appeal to many teens.”

    Well, I have three teens and they all like it. Guess only time will tell.

  189. Random Bad Day and Daniel Powter comment. I seem to recall that it was a huge hit in the UK and then after that Canada almost a year before being the Idol boot song. I think Bad Day was just one of those songs that resonated with people. Being the boot song gave it a huge platform but it was the original song that never died. I kinda remember that by the time it became the boot song and took over the US I was already ready to kill it. :)

  190. 9 new adds for LLWD (1 Canada Hot AC, 1 Christian AC, 7 AC (including NYC & Detroit))
    9 new adds for WWFM (1 Canada Main AC, 1 Hot AC (DC), 7 AC (including Detroit) )
    10 new adds for AIEW (9 Hot AC (including SF & Chicago), 1 Top 40)
    3 new adds for MBD (all country)
    13 new adds for A Father’s Love (all country)

  191. According to @idolsnow, the billboard guy, wwfm rises to 12 on the mainstream top 40 chart, to 9 on adult pop, and to 16 on ac. That is a spot higher on pop than on the mediabase chart and a spot lower than mediabase ac. He has daughtry at 4 adult pop and 15 ac ( one higher than mediabase) so assuming this is wwfm pop peak I guess it depends on which chart u look at as to whether it peaks at 12 or 13 on pop

  192. Hey Kris is #1 on the recurrents chart.KRIS ALLEN’s “Live Like We’re Dying” moves to Mainstream Top 40 Recurrents chart, where it enters at #1, giving Kris his 3rd Billboard #1.

  193. alaadam

    I think those are different charts entirely. The idolsnow guy is talking about the official Billboard charts that get released on Thursday. The Pulse board is talking about the official mediabase radio charts that get released on Monday.

  194. ilovekrisallen39

    What? I don’t know if recurrents count as an official Billboard #1. In what world does that make sense — hey you fell out of the Top 20, but you have more spins than any of the other songs that went recurrent, so here — have a #1

  195. Jmom376 – about Kris, count me in on the bail money. I think IIHY will be the best selling single so far. It is catchy, showcases the voice well, and it is one of my favorite on the album. I don’t how to read all these charts or where to find even half of them, but both guys seem to be doing really well.

  196. I don’t understand it either girlgirl. Just posting what I read.This is the first year I ever followed the charts so I don’t understand half of this stuff.

  197. Alaadam. They are both “reliable”. Billboard uses a different measuring/reporting service than mediabase so sometimes there are differences

  198. I’m not so sure that MBD is done quite yet, there may still be some life left and it could make the upper 20’s. Last year when the Can you Duet winners released their single “Keep On Loving you” in August 2009 it to got stuck in the 20’s for a long time and this past week it just made it to top 10, so anything is possible.

    I think they are filming the video now because of time constraints with Danny beginning the Sugarland tour in early May and all the spot dates he has, this may be the only stretch of time that is available. As Adam is also filming his video this week I don’t see anything dire in the timing.

    As to Danny’s album sales, he seems to be keeping pace with those that have top 10 radio hits and released the same weeks as he did. I think when dealing with the Country genre the gold albums are fewer an farther between and radio play has very little to do with it. I look at Chris Young of the “black dress song”(RCA lablemate), it was a huuuge hit with the album release in September 2009 and I believe it just hit 200,000 in sales..so I think RCA feels okay about how Danny is doing.

    Will he be a country superstar..who knows its way to early to tell but based on what I’ve seen so far I do think he will have a career for as long as he wants one. Same as all Idol contestants :)

  199. I think they are filming the video now because of time constraints with Danny beginning the Sugarland tour in early May and all the spot dates he has, this may be the only stretch of time that is available. As Adam is also filming his video this week I don’t see anything dire in the timing.

    I agree; I think it is a good thing that RCA/Danny have picked the next single, announced it (Danny actually announced his possible 3rd single at a concert the other night, lol) and are on the ball with planning. This is a good thing, to get the timing down.
    And if MBD is done as a top 30 hit; I’m ok with that; considering how difficult it is to break into the country genre if you don’t have the background (Texas won’t even add him) I think he did pretty well with his debut single, considering his background and voice so unique to country.

    As to Danny’s album sales, he seems to be keeping pace with those that have top 10 radio hits and released the same weeks as he did

    Danny is selling very well as a newbie and for not having a top 10 hit.; Easton Corbin who had a #1 hit and buzz is behind him in sales (although slowly catching up). And I don’t think comparing album sales to other AI higher place finishers who have had much more PR and released right after AI tour during the biggest shopping season is a valid comparison.
    But I guess its not important what I think, lol, its important what his label thinks; and they certainly seem invested in him with the appearances he’s getting, a second single video, and talk already of his third single.

  200. WWFM moved up on the Billboard Pop Song Chart from #13 to #12. That is Mainstream Top 40 airplay and I assume what the Idolsnow tweet is about.

    What? I don’t know if recurrents count as an official Billboard #1. In what world does that make sense — hey you fell out of the Top 20, but you have more spins than any of the other songs that went recurrent, so here — have a #1

    MediaBase and Billboard have very different rules on handling recurrents.

    Since 2008 – a song is permanently moved to “recurrent status” if it has spent 20 weeks on the Hot 100 and fallen below position number 50. Exceptions are made for re-release and sudden resurgence in popularity of tracks that have taken a very long time to gain mainstream success. These rare cases are handled on a case-by-case basis and ultimately determined by Billboard’s chart managers and staff. Source Billboard methodology, Billboard Hot 100.

    The same rule is in use for the US airplay charts.

    LLWD has a long way to go before it falls below #50 on the airplay charts. [Unless Jive finally releases single #2 and works with the stations to shift airplay.]

  201. Wow, the pop charts are a lot more forgiving than the country. If a song only loses spins for 3 weeks (after 20 weeks) it goes recurrent no matter where it is on the charts!

  202. Congratulations to both Kris and Adam !! Nice to see both of them doing well. (In a really good mood since I’m listening to Elvis on my iTunes tonight and reading about Adam – and Kris)!!

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