Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Oct 11 – Oct 17

This week Daughtry achieves yet another top 10 song on AC. That means that they currently have two top 10 songs in this format and that “September” is top 10 in two different formats (and Top 30 in a third).

Carrie Underwood achieves yet another top 15 song on Country with “Mama’s Song” and with a strong bullet, seems headed for top 10.

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Adam Lambert’s latest single “If I Had You” hits a couple of milestones this week: top 15 on HAC and top 40 on AC (his second single to hit both those milestones). This week also sees us saying goodbye to his previous single “Whattaya Want From Me” because it went recurrent on its last format.

Details after the jump! (as of 7:16 pm on 10/17/10)

Adam Lambert:
“If I Had You”: ^15 HAC (18), 24 Pop (17), ^39 AC (43)

Carrie Underwood:
“Mama’s Song”: ^16 Country (17)
“Temporary Home: 41 CAC (41)
“Undo It”: ^27 HAC (28)

Chris Sligh:
“Only You Can Save”: ^17 CAC (17)

Daughtry:
“Life After You”: ^5 AC (5)
“September”: ^2 HAC (3), ^10 AC (12), ^26 Pop (26)

Fantasia:
“Bittersweet”: 3 UAC (3)
“I’m Doin’ Me”: 19 UAC (19), ^30 Urban (32)

Hedley (Jacob from CI2):
“Perfect”: ^39 HAC (40)

Matt Giruad:
“Thank You” (Jim Brickman): ^21 AC (23)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous week. The “^” (aka “a bullet”) indicates that a song gained spins since last week

Upcoming Add Dates (from AllAccess):
Oct 24: HAC: Lee DeWyze: “Sweet Serendipity”
Oct 26: Rock: We Are Fallen: “Tear the World Down”

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91 Comments

  1. Congrats Adam, Daughtry and Carrie. Jeez I swear I have been posting this same sentence for weeks now…( :lol: ) Congrats to all the other Idols on the charts.

  2. some promising news

    blkeener

    #103.7FM Radio Sophie (in San Diego) played #alrigthwithme & #sweetserendipity in the last hour & a half!

    meanwhile, here’s link to Santa Rosa station that promised to play these 2 singles on its new music program (10 pm-Midnight Pacific time)

    http://www.mix1049fm.com/STW-PopUp.aspx

    ETA – They just played Sweet Serendipity

    ETA2 – Radio Alice in Denver also reportedly played AWM during its new music hour tonight

    ETA3 – The Santa Rosa station just played AWM. The DJ pimped both Lee’s and Kris’s songs as “world premieres”

  3. Oh dear, IIHY is falling like a rock on Pop. LOL I wonder if Daughtry will reach number one on HAC with September.

  4. Yay! Matt’s song with Jim Brickman has reached a new peak of #21 on the Mediabase chart, and last week it reached a new peak of #22 on the Billboard chart. I hope that song can just keep plugging away into Top 20.

  5. So Adam’s had two songs hit Top 20 on Pop and top 15 on HAC but they still may not release another single.

    So weird…

  6. Oh dear, IIHY is falling like a rock on Pop.

    Yup..like most songs on Pop, once they have reached their peak and been around for a bit the freefall at the end of their cycle is usually quick to make room for all the new releases that are struggling up the charts.

    I think it is pretty impressive that 2 of Adam’s 3 releases have charted in the top 20 (and for extended lengths of time) on both Top 40 and HAC and that one song even charted in conservative AC. I think that is pretty good for a reality contestant who is attempting to bring something a bit different to the stage from most of the guys out in recording land.

  7. Yup, IIHY is dropping like a rock on Pop. It’s rare to see a song drop that quickly but it is an old song. You sometimes see drops like that when an artist has a new single and stations move to drop the older song. September should pass IIHY on the Pop chart by tomorrow:

    Here’s the update for September on Pop today:

    26 26 DAUGHTRY September 2244 2032 212 9.316

    +48 Spins
    +20 Bullet
    +0.241 Audience

  8. Oh dear, IIHY is falling like a rock on Pop

    No “oh dears” necessary. IIHY has been out since May. Its a summer single. It is now mid-October and it has peaked. It was expected to drop pretty quickly, especially since the early adopters had it in the top ten of their playlists all summer long and have moved on to new songs. It had a good run.

    Nice update for Daughtry on pop!

  9. Congrats Adam, Daughtry and Carrie. Jeez I swear I have been posting this same sentence for weeks now…( :lol: )

    Well, the “for weeks” part is very nice! Glad to see that some of these guys show staying power.

  10. Top Selling Downloads in History (up to Oct 3 from Pulse):

    53 – 3,182,821 – SPARKS*JORDIN DUET WITH CHRIS NO AIR
    56 – 3,084,702 – UNDERWOOD*CARRIE BEFORE HE CHEATS
    60 – 3,018,233 – POWTER*DANIEL BAD DAY
    124 – 2,378,393 – CLARKSON*KELLY MY LIFE WOULD SUCK WITHOUT YOU
    141 – 2,274,050 – CLARKSON*KELLY SINCE U BEEN GONE
    160 – 2,133,461 – DAUGHTRY IT’S NOT OVER
    162 – 2,100,317 – SPARKS*JORDIN TATTOO
    177 – 2,023,506 – DAUGHTRY HOME
    191 – 1,954,046 – ARCHULETA*DAVID CRUSH

    Top selling download is the BEP’s “I’ve Gotta Feeling” at 6,248,514 (despite what was said on Glee “Don’t Stop Believing” is 21st on the list at 4,038,363).

  11. The problem for IIHY is if it falls off the Top 40 before it goes recurrent. Probably the rate of descent will slow as it gets to the bottom of the chart.

    Wow, Jordin’s No Air used to be in the Top 10. Just shows you how downloads have exploded in the past few years. For those who wonder why Ke$ha gets one single after another-She has two songs in the Top 10 downloads.

    7 – 5,239,127 – KE$HA TIK TOK
    10 – 4,661,187 – FLO RIDA FEAT. KE$HA RIGHT ROUND

  12. For those who wonder why Ke$ha gets one single after another-She has two songs in the Top 10 downloads.

    Even her flopped single made the list:
    196 – 1,941,300 – KE$HA FEAT. 30H!3 BLAH BLAH BLAH

  13. The problem for IIHY is if it falls off the Top 40 before it goes recurrent. Probably the rate of descent will slow as it gets to the bottom of the chart.

    Why is this a problem other than a few extra sales? I the song has peaked on the charts and sales I’m not sure what an extra 50K in sales really might mean after its gone gold. I’d be a serious long shot to go platinum. Or is there another reason?

  14. ^^^^ Quote fail above and I can’t seem to be able to fix it right now.

  15. The problem for IIHY is if it falls off the Top 40 before it goes recurrent.

    I think IIHY, unlike WWFM, is not a recurrent type of song. It had it’s run, did well for Adam and will now move on to the overcrowded graveyard of songs that won’t really be heard much again. Really, only a few songs acqire the luxury of being heard on an occassional basis years hence. It is nice to still hear WWFM every now and then…just like Cooks Time of my life.

  16. One of these days I am going to sit down and calculate total sales using that single conversion to album equivalent sales formula for all the hitmakers today. I bet once you do that, the music business snaps into clearer perspective.

    Won’t be today though – I got stuff to do!

    Why is this a problem other than a few extra sales? I the song has peaked on the charts and sales I’m not sure what an extra 50K in sales really might mean after its gone gold. I’d be a serious long shot to go platinum. Or is there another reason?

    I’m guessing because recurrent is just a nice thing to achieve? I mean does it have to be a secret slam or some deep meaning or something? LOL

  17. I’m guessing because recurrent is just a nice thing to achieve? I mean does it have to be a secret slam or some deep meaning or something? LOL

    Noooooo I didn’t mean it like that.. at all. It was an honest question back. The term “nice to have” is different than saying “problem”. I don’t know why it would be a ‘problem”.

    I’m kinda like Tess in my opinion of pop songs. Pop songs aren’t deep and don’t resinate over time very often unless someone is getting nostalgic. They are fun then they are gone thats just what happens. I couldn’t imagine why it would matter if a song goes recurrent or not. Other than this board or some other music boards I never heard or nor cared if a song went recurrent. You certainly don’t hear this term ofter (or at all) in mainstream media.

  18. Wow, Jordin’s No Air used to be in the Top 10. Just shows you how downloads have exploded in the past few years. For those who wonder why Ke$ha gets one single after another-She has two songs in the Top 10 downloads.

    Speaking of that, I read on AA that single downloads are going down and they’ve sold less this year.
    I wonder what this will mean for labels. They gotta adjust if single sales are not going up and with album sales going down so much.

  19. Noooooo I didn’t mean it like that.. at all. It was an honest question back. The term “nice to have” is different than saying “problem”. I don’t know why it would be a ‘problem”.

    Oh, Okay. LOL. Well, I’m not jpfan so I’ll let her answer why she used that word. I suspect its not that deep. **shrugs**

    I always think of recurrency as a mark of longevity/popularity. Not everyone can get that, so its just a nice achievement. “Recurrency” is just a fancy way of saying “this damn song was around so long we had to retire it”. Heh. Of course it is not perfect because sometimes songs just kind of luck into it, but still its a nice little marker. If you are a chart junkie its a cool thing to root for, at least to me.

    Speaking of that, I read on AA that single downloads are going down and they’ve sold less this year.
    I wonder what this will mean for labels. They gotta adjust if single sales are not going up and with album sales going down so much.

    I think sales of new singles are not going down as much as its sales of back catalog singles slowing down.

    But yeah, its time for the music business to stop looking for singles to make up the difference in the loss of album sales. It ain’t gonna happen.

    I expect layoffs and label closures in the near future.

  20. I suspect its not that deep. **shrugs**

    Probably isn’t.. but then every so often someone can come along and make a very salient point and has me reevaluating my all my assumptions about a topic.

  21. Recurrency only came into existance because some really great Artists were able to keep their music on the charts for months if not years at a time…and so the lesser mortals forced the “charts” into creating a new and interesting phenomenon known as recurrency. Great songs are still played on radio years after they have left the charts whether they are listed as recurrent or not…an audience will get what they want…that is why most radio stations have request lines. Heck I still hear songs from Wham or the Police or heaven forbid The Cars on my AC station. Who would have thunk!

  22. Recurrency only came into existance because some really great Artists were able to keep their music on the charts for months if not years at a time…and so the lesser mortals forced the “charts” into creating a new and interesting phenomenon known as recurrency. Great songs are still played on radio years after they have left the charts whether they are listed as recurrent or not…an audience will get what they want…that is why most radio stations have request lines. Heck I still hear songs from Wham or the Police or heaven forbid The Cars on my AC station. Who would have thunk!

    Yes, of course Tess. LOL. Recurrency is a recent invention, it does not effect older songs, etc etc etc. Its still a nice marker for a current song to get to me. It is not a great tragedy of life if every single song an artist releases does not reach recurrency. Its just nice IMO.

    AC is the recurrent format. That’s all they play! :D

  23. Once a song peaks, the only other “goal” is to see if it can go recurrent. It just gives the song a leg up in getting radio play in other formats especially AC. The only other issue with a song going down the chart quickly is less opportunity to sell downloads obviously. I don’t think IIHY is going to have a long life once it drops off the charts though. IMHO it’s not that great a song.

  24. It kind of reminds me of Orianthi’s ATY. Are they both Max Martin songs?

    IIHY is. ATY is produced by Howard Benson (who is often involved with Idol albums). It was written by Steve Diamond and Andrew Frampton

  25. So Adam’s had two songs hit Top 20 on Pop and top 15 on HAC but they still may not release another single.

    lorismile, Cook fans feel your pain. Why? DC did very well on 3 (*2 – CBTM) different charts with his 2 releases (not counting TOML/Bar Ba Sol, lol). The label could have released another single but didn’t. It’s been over 1.5 years since new music has been released for David Cook. So yeah, we know first-hand about pain. Sometimes figuring out the label’s thought processes are difficult.

    But as mentioned above, recurrency is a very good thing to shoot for. Hopefully IIHY will hang on.

  26. Ushers DJ song is written by Max Martin if you’re looking for a similar sounding song.

  27. If the label doesn’t release another single for Adam I don’t think it’s a bad thing, just like I didn’t think it was for Cook. These things cost money and they need to be pushed to go somehwere. If the label doesn’t think it will be worthy because the album aren’t really rocking the charts at that point, it seems like a wise decision.
    I think it’s better than just throwing singles out there and let them die and add a new flop single to an artit’s catalog. Which may end up future releases.
    Adam’s music had had a great journey. If they don’t release more singles it went out with a bang and on top.

  28. If the label doesn’t release another single for Adam I don’t think it’s a bad thing, just like I didn’t think it was for Cook.

    Yeah, in my head I know you’re right. But my heart still protests, lol.

  29. If the label doesn’t release another single for Adam I don’t think it’s a bad thing, just like I didn’t think it was for Cook. These things cost money and they need to be pushed to go somehwere. If the label doesn’t think it will be worthy because the album aren’t really rocking the charts at that point, it seems like a wise decision.

    Yeah I agree. Both albums were just about dead when their second singles winded down. The label had to feel sure they could make the money back it would take to promote another song… and then some. So I get it.

    I think Sleepwalker has smash potential, but I admit I haven’t seen any testing data on it. RCA is supposedly a traditional label that leans conservative with their business decisions so I could see why they would stop now in both cases.

    Who knows, there still time left for Sleepwalker in the US so we’ll see. Either way I don’t think it will hurt Adam.

  30. Who knows, there still time left for Sleepwalker in the US so we’ll see. Either way I don’t think it will hurt Adam.

    I agree. It’ll be interesting to see how they will do in Canada. Looking at the chart there it feels like a big waste not to try and capture the momentum and milk more out of FYE.

  31. Yeah, in my head I know you’re right. But my heart still protests, lol.

    Oh, I underdstand that. lol And I bet the heart of those artists would also protest. I’m sure they’d like to have more singles. I could listen the whole albums on radio if that was possible. lol

  32. Once an album heads to the bottom of the BB200, labels tend to stop issuing singles unless the previous single was a big hit, sold a million downloads etc. So I’m very surprised that Kris is getting another single. The big issue now will be how much support will Jive give it.

  33. I don’t think IIHY is going to have a long life once it drops off the charts though. IMHO it’s not that great a song.

    We can certainly agree on this. While IIHY is/was one of my favorite songs off the album, I can honestly say it doesn’t have much strength to it & it pretty much topped where I thought it would. I predicted 15 on the mediabase chart, but I’ll settle for 16. Since it hit a peak that surprised more than one or two people, recurrency isn’t as big of a deal for me.

  34. To go recurrent a song has to achieve some success and longevity on the charts. IIHY could still go recurrent. It just depends on how drastic the slide down the CHR chart is.

    We’ll know 11/14. That’s when it’s eligible to go recurrent.

  35. Kirsten,

    Why do you have Powter in your list? I know “Bad Day” was used in Idol, several seasons ago, but he was never one of the contestants, right? The rest are actuall Idols.

  36. Congrats to Daughtry, Adam and Carrie.

    mickeybordentwo- TT was only 1 week away from going recurrent(it spent 19 weeks on the HAC chart).

  37. I’m so focused on the CHR chart I sometimes forget about HAC. TT had a decent run on that format. I didn’t realize it was only one week from going recurrent.

    It’s really Pop airplay that sells single downloads. HAC seems to help with albums. Right now it looks like IIHY and S are getting equal amounts of Pop airply and will probably sell close to each other this week.

    But September is certainly far from a smash when it comes to selling singles. However it is helping to keep the album alive on the BB200.

  38. What’s funny is IIHY is still on my local Top 40 weekly top 10 (#8 this week) and I hardly hear it when I listen to the radio.

    I wonder if Canada will get Fever….

  39. Yeah, I owe The Truth an apology too. LOL. I didn’t know it got that close either. Sorry, TT!

    Considering it’s good airply, it’s strange that September is not selling well.

    Eh. Its doing fine for what it is IMO. Its certainly keeping his album going.

  40. springboard:
    10/18/2010 at 11:06 am
    Brian has got the idol airplay chart up
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2010/10/daughtry-has-two-top-10-ac-hits/1

    Considering it’s good airply, it’s strange that September is not selling well.

    I agree. “September” is way ahead of “IIHY” on airplay, but, based on iTunes rankings, my bet is that “IIHY” sold more, once again, last week. I guess that, although audience impressions are important, there is a lot more to sales than that.

  41. lorismile:
    10/18/2010 at 7:58 am
    So Adam’s had two songs hit Top 20 on Pop and top 15 on HAC but they still may not release another single.

    So weird…

    Ugh, so frustrating :-( He really deserves a new single, especially SW which has the potential to do so well.

    And yeah, I think IIHY is doing well (and did very well), but I guess some prefer to focus on the negative. LOL

  42. Single sales usually reflect the Pop chart. It involves the age of the listening audience among other things. I apologize for focusing on the negative and thinking TT did poorly on HAC. Now I feel better. ;)

  43. Why do you have Powter in your list? I know “Bad Day” was used in Idol, several seasons ago, but he was never one of the contestants, right? The rest are actuall Idols.

    “Bad Day” was the original recipe Boot Song and it’s still used in Idol lexicon. It’s immense popularity became symbotic with Idol and it became the first song to have 2 million downloads. It topped the Hot 100 for weeks.

    I just think it’s a special case.

    I hope we get a decent boot song this year (and 19E doesn’t try to use it as a platform to foist some other of their client’s on us. AI has produced enough talent so that it should now be kept in the family).

  44. I don’t really get all the angst over whether Adam song is going down the Pop charts quickly. A lot of pop song went down quickly. Didn’t California Gurls drop fast and Not Afraid by two of the biggest single sellers out there. I think Rhianna had a few song tank quickly. IIHY made top 40 on the AC chart I did not see that coming. I don’t get the focus on the negative. IIHY is a summer song. I am actually more shocked at the AC placement then the CHR plummet. I also don’t get why it plummeting would be funny where one needs to put a lol unless there is some sort of secret slam…(only not such a secret.) I don’t see why it matters. Yes it would be great for it to go recurrent but it also not something that I have heard until now being such an benchmark to make. So what is more important where a song places on the Pop chart or that it doesn’t place that high but made it to recurrent. I would think its placement is considered the true achievement. but that’s just me. I believe most artist would rather have a milestone of placing in the top 16 on CHR then only placing 25 but going recurrent. so it’s all relative. Who knows maybe there will be a surprise 4th single. Maybe PD’s are trying to force it to happen so that when Adam does the Jingle Balls in December he will have a song on radio Making him a more desirable draw. (Hey others get to hypothesize why can’t I. :-) )

    I also will take Adam plummeting on a chart he at least made a respectable showing then be like some others who can’t even get their songs in the top 40. Adam is at least in a position to plummet. :lol: (just trying to make lemonade out of lemons :mrgreen: )

  45. Maybe if people calmed down sometimes and stopped reading everything as part of a ongoing fanwar that may not even exist, we could actually talk about stuff without having to add miles of disclaimers to every little statement that is not 100% super duper positive. Just sayin’.

    Edit K: Okay, this is boards on boards, but it needs to be said, so I’m leaving this part in

  46. Yeah, I owe The Truth an apology too. LOL. I didn’t know it got that close either. Sorry, TT!

    Haha, poor TT. It actually did fairly decently on HAC for the amount of consternation it received from the beginning. I think Kris completely dropping it from his set list for this fall tour gives some indication of how he feels about it, lol. It actually got quite a bit of play in Boston, so I was a tiny bit surprised he didn’t play it there. But oh well, good riddance.

    How high did No Surprise go on Pop? I think September is the strongest single off the album & would love to see it get as high as it can. It seems like No Surprise got to #21, or was that LAY?

  47. What reports do we have on airplay for SS? I know it was on some of the same new music hours AWM was on last night – KMHX in Santa Rosa, KALC in Denver, and KSCF in San Diego.

  48. dhunken, I like you. You are cool peeps. That just needed to be said. I’m sorry if I’m a little cranky today… I have a ton of big school stuff coming up really soon. Sigh.

    tinawina Ditto and right back at ya…..Oh and I myself am cranky today so I know how you feel. (didn’t get much sleep last night) :-)

  49. I always thought for a song to hang in there long enough to go recurrent was a good thing? That’s gonna be played in its format now while nothing new is being released, and still be exposed to new ‘ears’, and subject to purchase from listeners, while the New Album Down Time is in effect.

    It gets tracked too – every week – DC runs between two and three thousand spins a week on his three recurrents – sometimes more, if something is going on…the people with new material under the Top Ten or so on Brian’s List are in the same ballpark for weekly spins.

    So, if it’s not a good thing then I don’t understand the concept….But if I’ve misunderstood the question and have this whole discussion bass ackwards, then kindly disregard the post?

    Thanks. ;)

  50. “Bad Day” was the original recipe Boot Song and it’s still used in Idol lexicon. It’s immense popularity became symbolic with Idol and it became the first song to have 2 million downloads. It topped the Hot 100 for weeks.

    This song and “Home” where my two favorite Boot songs. In fact its the only two boot songs that I think fit, for what they were intended.

  51. IIHY’s performance on the HAC chart is really surprising me. I don’t think it’s really an “HAC-Type” song and for it to go as high as #15 and still increasing in spins kind of has me in a shocked but very pleased state :)

  52. So, if it’s not a good thing then I don’t understand the concept….But if I’ve misunderstood the question and have this whole discussion bass ackwards, then kindly disregard the post?

    Thanks. ;)

    Ha ha….I don’t think anyone is saying its not a good thing but I think some are saying it also doesn’t mean a song or an artist is “over” or in bad shape if the song doesn’t go recurrent. (which BTW IIHY still could go recurrent, it just will be low on the CHR chart when it does (11/15 I believe) ) The discussion had to do with IF IIHY doesn’t go recurrent is that really a indication that the song tanked, I don’t. I think the song going Gold and reaching #16 at its peak is respectable and makes the song a success. It would be the cherry on top if it went recurrent but if does not the song is still the equivalent of a Tasty Dessert just without the cherry :mrgreen: .

  53. CindyM:
    10/18/2010 at 1:24 pm

    IIHY’s performance on the HAC chart is really surprising me. I don’t think it’s really an “HAC-Type” song and for it to go as high as #15 and still increasing in spins kind of has me in a shocked but very pleased state

    I agree, but I am really more surprised that IIHY has made top 40 on AC. That I never saw coming.

  54. Gotcha, dhunken – I did have it bass ackwards. Thanks for the clarification! :)

  55. A song does not need to go recurrent to be played on radio. The only thing “recurrent” does is knock a song off the charts when it has charted for X number of weeks and is still above point Y at that time. There are tons of songs played on the radio that may not have been noticeable on Top 40 or HAC. A station can play whatever they want as long as a song is out there…and the record doesn’t even have to be released to radio for them to play it. They just need to log it and pay the songwriters and they are good to go. And I am only writing this because I am sensing a misconception about “recurrents” and what it means to a song’s future.

  56. IIHY’s performance on the HAC chart is really surprising me. I don’t think it’s really an “HAC-Type” song and for it to go as high as #15

    Plus, it’s even climbing on AC. Which is even stranger, to me. … I’ll take it, though. HAC and AC seem to be sort of turning into Idol Radio. Glad several of them are getting played somewhere other than my supermarket, where, on Saturday, I heard Fantasia, Daughtry, and Cookie while I was shopping.

  57. I still don’t know why AC stations never added TT. Now there is a song that seemed perfect for the format. Much more so than IIHY. But for whatever reason, they didn’t. And it’s fun to see IIHY make a dent on a chart that — at first glance, anyway — seems like a rather odd fit. So go, Adam!

  58. So, if it’s not a good thing then I don’t understand the concept….But if I’ve misunderstood the question and have this whole discussion bass ackwards, then kindly disregard the post?

    Some don’t seem to understand the difference between a song being purged and a song going recurrent, so that might be the basis for some confusion. I recall people being confused about these two things when it came to LLWD. I don’t think a song going recurrent necessarily means that it will continue to be played a lot, especially on Pop. For example, I haven’t checked the past few weeks, but as of two weeks ago LLWD was still in the top 30 most played songs on HAC. This format has room to continue to give older songs a significant amount of spins, but that’s usually not the case with top 40, where the spins are at a premium, so the number of older songs that they play are smaller, and the spins usually go to songs that were hits.

  59. Katie Perry’s California Girls shot up the HAC chart and was number one for a number of weeks. A few of the Black Eye Peas songs have also been in the top 10 on HAC during the past twelve months. There is a lot of overlap between the Pop and HAC chart, since just like with pop stations, there are some HAC stations that are more rock leaning, while others are more pop.

    The Truth didn’t do well on radio, so it was unlikely that AC stations were going to pick it up.

  60. I like to follow Idol songs and don’t feel the obligation to be 100% positive. It’s more interesting to deal with reality both good and bad. Not that a song going or not going recurrent is a major issue. I guess using the word “problem” was the problem. ;)

  61. jpfan:
    10/18/2010 at 3:31 pm

    I like to follow Idol songs and don’t feel the obligation to be 100% positive. It’s more interesting to deal with reality both good and bad. Not that a song going or not going recurrent is a major issue. I guess using the word “problem” was the problem. ;)

    :lol: I find this sentence funny…….. but I really don’t think your problem was the problem… ha ha ha

  62. As far as I can tell, the chief advantage of a song lasting long enough to go recurrent is that it then charts on the recurrent airplay charts, and so continues to get industry press.

    That may influence PDs to give it relatively more airplay than the thousands of other songs no longer currently charting in the format, but I think it probably has more to do with how popular it was for that given station or group of stations. If the song was a helicopter hit (went straight up, hung around for a very short period, and then zoomed right back down), I think PDs probably do look more at the peak than the recurrency rules, but if a song really does slide right back down, it’s probably because callout was bad so…

    It’s a snake eating its own tail, really.

  63. jpfan:
    10/18/2010 at 3:31 pm
    I like to follow Idol songs and don’t feel the obligation to be 100% positive. It’s more interesting to deal with reality both good and bad. Not that a song going or not going recurrent is a major issue. I guess using the word “problem” was the problem.

    Well it wasn’t a problem for me I was just confused & thought there was something nugget of info that I didn’t understand. I do too really enjoy watching songs ‘in general’ as well. I can’t help it, once a marketer.. always a marketer. The public psyche is fascinating.

  64. As far as I can tell, the chief advantage of a song lasting long enough to go recurrent is that it then charts on the recurrent airplay charts, and so continues to get industry press.

    I think this is the big advantage. There is a BB chart for recurrent songs and you can see how certain songs become classics and get alot of radio play. I think a classic can support a songwriter for years. In terms of losing spins quickly, the other big minus is loss of sales obviously.

  65. In terms of losing spins quickly, the other big minus is loss of sales obviously.

    But, are you loosing spins because the song isn’t up to snuff, or are you loosing spins because there are a whole new crop of exciting songs that peeps want to hear biting on your heels. Chart position, time on the chart, and speed of up and down are all relative to the “competition” at any given time. If all your co-hearts are putting out drek it is pretty easy to stay afloat for a long time.

    Also, if a song is sticking around, has a lot of spins, but is low man on the totem-pole it just says that all the little stations are playing it a ton…and this is nice but doesn’t help the bottom line of “new” listeners through bigger audience impressions that could result in bigger sales.

    This chart gawking is fun and interesting but is a variable measure of success that may shift with the next big wind. Besides, 90% of radio listeners probably give a rats ass as to “charts”. They just want to hear the songs they like.

  66. I just came in here to see some discussion of numbers and I see board on board discussions. Sigh

    1) Post about the topic, not the boards

    2) Don’t make assumptions about other poster’s motives

    I’m going to delete a bunch of stuff and I’m not going to use a big knife.

  67. CHART DATE: 10/18/2010
    LAST UPDATE: 10/18/2010 10:40:36
    NOW IN: 54.02%
    LW TW artist / album label power index
    17 1 LIL WAYNE CASH MONEY/UNIV MOTOWN 74,562
    I AM NOT A HUMAN BEING
    — 2 DARIUS RUCKER CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 55,005
    CHARLESTON, SC 1966
    — 3 BIG TIME RUSH NICKELODOEN 54,157
    B.T.R.
    — 4 THE BAND PERRY UNIV REPUBLIC NASHVILLE 43,108
    THE BAND PERRY
    4 5 EMINEM SHADY/AFTERMATH/INT 35,444
    RECOVERY
    2 6 KENNY CHESNEY BNA/RCA NASHVILLE 32,991
    HEMINGWAY’S WHISKEY
    5 7 ZAC BROWN BAND ATLANTIC 24,957
    YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE
    1 8 TOBY KEITH SHOW DOG 21,941
    BULLETS IN THE GUN
    3 9 BRUNO MARS NEW ELEKTRA 20,888
    DOO-WOPS & HOOLIGANS
    — 10 ALL THAT REMAINS PROSTHETIC 20,183
    FOR WE ARE MANY
    30 24 FANTASIA J RECORDS/RMG 7,931
    BACK TO ME
    15 43 DAVID ARCHULETA 19/JIVE/JLG 4,381
    OTHER SIDE OF DOWN
    — 50 SUFJAN STEVENS ASTHMATIC KITTY 2,976
    AGE OF ADZ
    Full chart:
    http://hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

  68. IMO There are too many country releases this week — too bad they were not more spread out.

    Not looking like a good week for Archie. I am very surprised.

    But this makes me happy —-

    Matt Giruad:
    “Thank You” (Jim Brickman): ^21 AC (23)

  69. no Hot AC adds for Kris today; just 1 for Lee (Sirius FM Pulse)

    not good.

    I’m gonna be so mad if Jive fails to push AWM.

  70. I think it’s too early to worry for a song that hasn’t gone for adds yet.

  71. Adds today

    3 DAUGHTRY September
    2 JIM BRICKMAN Thank You
    1 ADAM LAMBERT If I Had You
    1 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Undo It
    1 FANTASIA I’m Doin’ Me
    1 LEE DEWYZE Sweet Serendipity

  72. I think it’s too early to worry for a song that hasn’t gone for adds yet

    At this point, for both Lee and Kris, it’s all about the test spins. The adds will hopefully come later.

  73. Hey I like to get on the “worry” bus before it fills up and I can’t get a good seat! :)

    But yeah, too soon to worry — hopefully in the next couple of weeks they will get more sins and some good adds

  74. girlygirl:
    10/18/2010 at 6:19 pm

    no Hot AC adds for Kris today; just 1 for Lee (Sirius FM Pulse)

    not good.

    I’m gonna be so mad if Jive fails to push AWM.

    Sorry to be a bad Kris fan but when is/was the add dates for AWM. I see Kirsten has We are the Fallen and Lee but I don’t see Kris. Either no add date was announced or it happened already and I missed it. (Because I am sure Kirsten would have posted that info because unlike me she is a good Kris fan :oops: ) If there has been no word That will not make me too happy.

  75. I’m not surprised at the drop off for Archie. Obviously full numbers are not in yet but it looks to be in the 60-65% down range. While that’s obviously not ideal, it’s far from unheard of for second week sales.

    I actually had expected the drop off to be alot steeper. They have done NO promo for the album this past week. Sure, Jive tweets about Archie alot but that does very little to promo his album to the general public. I can’t believe that it’s two weeks out from an album release and the only major promo appearance he has had is Regis & Kelly. And Wendy Williams.

    Not sure what Jive’s plan is here. As a fan, I’m trying to be patient because of the new management issue but it’s frustrating.

    (LOL, Jive is sure in the dog house tonight!)

  76. girlygirl:
    10/18/2010 at 9:28 pm

    dhunken

    Jive hasn’t announced an adds date for AWM

    :mad: Argh!…… Thanks girlygirl

  77. girlygirl:

    Jive hasn’t announced an adds date for AWM

    So, girlygirl, I don’t understand why you said that it wasn’t good that Kris did not get and add, but Lee did.

    Can AWM get an add if JIVE did not officially announce the add date.
    I’m so confused.

  78. stations can add songs at any time — they do not have to wait until the official adds date.

  79. 10/18/2010 at 6:19 pm

    no Hot AC adds for Kris today; just 1 for Lee (Sirius FM Pulse)

    not good.

    I’m gonna be so mad if Jive fails to push AWM.

    It’s particularly bad for Lee.
    LLWD got 9 adds on its first week after release, including 4 HAC, and it did go for adds until two weeks later.
    I am concerned about Lee as he has got a popified song that is only sent to HAC. If in addition he doesn’t get a real radio push, I’ll suspect that RCA have abandoned him.
    It’s a bit different for Kris, as it is his third single and the label may use a softer approach.

  80. Sorry to be a bad Kris fan but when is/was the add dates for AWM. I see Kirsten has We are the Fallen and Lee but I don’t see Kris. Either no add date was announced or it happened already and I missed it.

    It’s all about promoting the song, and one of the ways that Jive did that with LLWD was by using the information that other stations gathered from their test spins. Jive listed the info. from the call outs as well as information about people calling in to either ask about or request the song. If Jive is going to promote AWM they are going to need to have something that helps PDs forget TT, which is why these early test spins and the requesting are so important.

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