Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Nov 22-28

Three Christmas ditties and a Country song make our milestone chart this week.

First up is Kat’s “I’ll be Home for Christmas” which fairly flew up the chart starting at 32 last week and reaching 14 this week. This track was initially released as a single last year and is not part of her current Christmas album (as far as I can tell). Her “Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas” reaches top 40 and is from her current Christmas album.

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Also making a major leap up the charts is Glee. Their version of “We Need a Little Christmas” (originally from the musical “Mame!”) climbed 99 steps up from the depths of 144th to the heights of 45th.

And, last but certainly not least, is Kelly Clarkson’s duet with Jason Aldean which has reached top 40 on Country. “Don’t You Wanna Stay” is on his current album.

Details after the jump! (as of pm on 11/28/10).

Adam Lambert:
“If I Had You”: 27 HAC (27), ^47 AC (42)

Carrie Underwood:
“Mama’s Song”: ^7 Country (10)
“Undo It”: 38 HAC (33)

Chris Sligh:
“Only You Can Save”: 13 CAC (13)

Daughtry:
“September”: 6 HAC (7), 7 AC (7), 22 Pop (20)

Fantasia:
“I’m Doin’ Me”: 10 UAC (8), ^23 Urban (22)

Glee:
“We Need a Little Christmas”: ^45 AC (144)

Hedley (Jacob from CI2):
“Perfect”: ^28 HAC (30)

Jason Castro:
“You Are”: ^20 CAC (20)

Katharine McPhee:
“Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas”: ^39 AC (45)
“I’ll be Home For Chrismas”: ^14 AC (32)

Kelly Clarkson:
“Don’t You Wanna Stay” with Jason Aldean: ^34 Country (46)

Lee DeWyze:
“Sweet Serendipity”: ^31 HAC (32)

Matt Giruad:
“Thank You” (Jim Brickman): 33 AC (26)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous week. The “^” (aka “a bullet”) indicates that a song gained spins since last week

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  1. Kirsten, would you happen to know why David’s HYAMLC went recurrent? It was at 17 Sunday morning but then latter on was removed and went recurrent.

  2. I love, love, love that Jason Aldean/Kelly song. CMT rebroadcast the CMA’s last night so I was able to record their performance. Just love it; hope it tops the country chart & has some crossover success.

  3. springboard, thanks for that! happy that lee is steadily moving in the right direction. hope that his slew of performances in the upcoming weeks will help promote his single & album :)

  4. Eileen99:
    11/29/2010 at 12:48 am

    I love, love, love that Jason Aldean/Kelly song. CMT rebroadcast the CMA’s last night so I was able to record their performance. Just love it; hope it tops the country chart & has some crossover success.

    ITA — I love it too. And I am not much of a country fan. So maybe it has a shot of crossing over. I would imagine that a lot of other Kelly fans also like it and don’t listen to country radio much, if at all.

  5. I love Kelly’s new song too. I hope it can crossover to at least HAC.

    Good to see Lee finally making the top 30. However, I’m a little concerned with the bullet. It has shrunk down to 58. That’s slow movement, but maybe it’s the Christmas freeze setting in.

    Anyone have the HAC numbers for when LLWD and WWFM were in the top 30 range and also right before the start of December?

  6. Kirsten, would you happen to know why David’s HYAMLC went recurrent? It was at 17 Sunday morning but then latter on was removed and went recurrent.

    That has me puzzled too Kirsten! What happened to it, any idea?

  7. Kris and Judy Ohio,

    I’m not Kirsten, but I was watching the AC chart yesterday and three Christmas songs were removed including David’s. The other two were Susan Boyle “Silent Night” and a song by Trans-Siberian orchestra. My only theory is that these songs are from last year and were on the chart by mistake. But it is just a theory, and if Kat’s Top 15 song is not new, then it does not make sense. Meanwhile, Uncle Kracker fell out of the Top 5 after more than a year, and I expected it to go recurrent but it didn’t.

    It looks at least like David’s song is getting lots of radio play on AC.

  8. Kris and JudyOhio, HYAMLC has gone recurrent.

    From All Access AC current/recuurent chart:

    39 16 MARIAH CAREY Oh Santa 240 63 177 1.664
    R R DAVID ARCHULETA Have Yourself A Merr… 237 120 117 2.588
    R R TAYLOR SWIFT You Belong With Me 237 488 -251 1.444
    R R STRAIGHT NO CHASER 12 Days Of Christmas… 229 61 168 1.833
    R R COLDPLAY Viva La Vida 214 397 -183 1.739
    15 18 FIVE FOR FIGHTING Slice 210 331 -121 0.566
    20 17 PINK Raise Your Glass 210 235 -25 2.312

  9. Christmas songs are great but since there are a couple of gazillion out there I really wonder how they do in terms of selling an Artist and getting them attention for their non-holiday CDs and singles.

    The issue, for me, with Christmas songs is that the same songs are being sung by a hundred different peeps and most of the “new” versions just don’t hold a candle to the great versions of the past. Besides, I don’t think I would necessarily listen to the radio to get my Christmas fix of music what with all the CDs out there and the ability to buy more for 99 cents at the local dollar store.

    But then I am no connoisseur of Christmas music since the Hippopotamus song is still one of my very favorites.

  10. Kirsten, Lee is #30, not 31

    He was 31 when I collected the stats last night from AllAccess. Perhaps they were slower on updating their charts than usual? I’ll leave the stats where they are for now because a new set of stats have come out this morning and I want the checkpoint time to be the same for everyone (some of the others might have changed as well).

    Lee is definitely at 30 this morning so congratulations to him.

    Top 30 is good news for Lee because now he will appear on the RTM surveys. He won’t likely appear on the radio countdown shows for a while though, because most countdown shows include recurrents and there are a lot of reccurents on HAC.

  11. csprof, that theory would make sense but Katharine’s song is from last year as well. Someone on pulse said it peaked at #42.

  12. But then I am no connoisseur of Christmas music since the Hippopotamus song is still one of my very favorites.

    What are you going on about? The Hippopotamus song is a CLASSIC! It’s the non-Christmas music connoisseurs that are oblivious to its existence.

    Christmas songs are great but since there are a couple of gazillion out there I really wonder how they do in terms of selling an Artist and getting them attention for their non-holiday CDs and singles.

    The deal is that they are generally super-duper cheap CDs to produce. Look at Jackie’s “O Holy Night”. The song itself was written in 1874 so it is no longer covered under copyright. I think that’s true of all the songs on the CD. Simon didn’t have to bother with getting clearances for the songs and he probably pockets the royalties he would normally have had to pay the writers. Money is a thing that Simon likes best of all.

    Kirsten, would you happen to know why David’s HYAMLC went recurrent? It was at 17 Sunday morning but then latter on was removed and went recurrent.

    Archie’s Christmas song entered the charts this week last year (20101129), so it’s been on the chart a year and went recurrent. Katherine’s Christmas song didn’t enter the chart until December (20101220) so it’s got some weeks before it will go recurrent.

    Anyone have the HAC numbers for when LLWD and WWFM were in the top 30 range and also right before the start of December

    This week last year, Adam had no songs on our chart (FYE had just faded and WWFM had 366 spins across two formats (mostly Pop with strong acceptance from the two biggest Pop stations)). Here were the rankings for Kris’s single:

    Live Like We Are Dying”: ^19 HAC (19), ^33 Pop (38)

    That translated to sales of the following for each songs reported that week:

    43 Kris Allen “Live Like We’re Dying” 31,327 (-12%; lw 35,787) Total: 186,667 (34)
    138 Adam Lambert “Whatya Want From Me” 11,197 (NEW; lw 329) Total: 11,871

  13. Kat is at #11 now.

    29 11 KATHARINE MCPHEE I’ll Be Home For Chr… 281 133 148 2.839
    45 33 KATHARINE MCPHEE Have Yourself A Merr… 94 40 54 0.667

    ETA just saw your post lol

  14. The AC chart doesn’t include all the recurrent Xmas songs that get played a gazillion times a day. You know stuff like Burl Ives” Jolly, Holy Xmas (or whatever). No diss to Kat or Archie though. It’s still great getting your stuff played on the radio.

    I love Kelly’s country duet. I hope it becomes a cross over smash. I don’t see it in the Top 40 on the Mediabase country chart though. Am I looking in the wrong place?

  15. jpfan:
    I love Kelly’s country duet. I hope it becomes a cross over smash. I don’t see it in the Top 40 on the Mediabase country chart though. Am I looking in the wrong place?

    I must be looking in the wrong place as well. The Country chart I see has a Brad Paisley track at #34, not DYWS.

  16. I love Kelly’s country duet. I hope it becomes a cross over smash. I don’t see it in the Top 40 on the Mediabase country chart though. Am I looking in the wrong place?

    There seems to be something freakish about the Mediabase top 40 Country chart today. The Jason/Kelly duet is 35th on AllAccess between Brad and Gwyneth, but if you look at the Mediabase top 40 Country link, there is no number 35 at all. It jumps from Brad at number 34 to Gwyneth at number 36. And that leaves room for 41. IDK. I’ve never noticed anything like that before.

    I must be looking in the wrong place as well. The Country chart I see has a Brad Paisley track at #34, not DYWS.

    DYWS was 34 last night. It’s 35 this morning.

  17. KMHX, the HAC station in Santa Rosa, in addition to giving AWM a spin during the new music hour- gave AWM another spin at 7:42 pm yesterday :D. I hope this means they will start playing AWM regularly.

  18. Kirsten:
    DYWS was 34 last night. It’s 35 this morning.

    Aha! That explains why I’m not seeing it. The Country Top 40 chart I’m getting just skips over #35 for some reason and tacks on #41 at the end.

  19. Good to see Lee finally making the top 30. However, I’m a little concerned with the bullet. It has shrunk down to 58. That’s slow movement, but maybe it’s the Christmas freeze setting in.

    I usually don’t pay too much attention to the bullets on HAC, because they can be very erratic. It’s not unusual for a song to have a negative bullet on that chart for a few days, and then pop back up to one that is over 100. HAC bullets also don’t tend to go as high as Pop bullets. Looking at the chart, SS bullet doesn’t look so low when compared to the other songs. Good to see Lee finally making the top 30. However, I’m a little concerned with the bullet. It has shrunk down to 58. http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/insideradio/charts.asp?format=3&showyear=y&dpt=n It’s just a slow chart.

  20. DYWS is #67 on iTunes. I saw a few Xmas songs and some Glee stuff in the Top 100 but no other Idol songs.

  21. I saw Crystal and Lee both had rolling banners on the Pop page in itunes yesterday, looks like Jive and RCA (or Sony) decided to spend some money. I was a little suprised Crystal’s pre-order banner was in Pop, but I’m not sure where else they’d put it and it’s probably a popular page, so lots of traffic.

  22. What exciting day for Katharine Mcphee! Singing to the newly engaged couple live on NASDAQ Cyber Monday sponsored by Blue Nile for their Ring It, Sing It Contest.

    Another special exciting day for Kat…her Christmas record, I’ll Be Home For Christmas, got alot stations spins yesterday. On the AC mediabase today she is currently at #11. What a feat even before Dec 1. Congrats Kat!

  23. Kirsten, Mediabase updated last night around 8pm Pacific and Lee was at #30 on that chart. All Access updated after the afternoon update, when is usually when all the purging & removing of songs occurs, so I’m not sure if MB did it late yesterday or not. I didn’t check AA last night to see if they updated the charts or not because it was pretty late when I noticed it. Maybe it was a fluke because of the long holiday weekend, not sure.

  24. I was a little suprised Crystal’s pre-order banner was in Pop, but I’m not sure where else they’d put it and it’s probably a popular page, so lots of traffic.

    They’ve listed her CD on the Pop page for Future Releases at AllAccess as well.

  25. Yeah! For Lee getting into the HAC Top 30!

    The HAC and AC charts are really full of Idols.

    Including recurrents — 9 of the Top 50 AC songs are from Idol. And there are 4 recurrent songs on the Top 50 HAC chart.

    Here are the 4 recurrent Idols songs in the Top 50 HAC including recurrents: (Spins based on published chart.)

    R R ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1178 1231 -53 6.343
    R R KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dyin… 860 895 -35 4.98
    R R Up this week KELLY CLARKSON Already Gone 709 694 15 3.898
    R R DAUGHTRY Life After You 661 664 -3 5.16

    Not unusual to have a lot of Idol music, but I rarely look at recurrent and it is easy to forget how much Idol music is on these two formats. (Unless you listen to HAC or AC radio — and I mostly listen to CHR.)

    sr4mjc:
    11/29/2010 at 9:50 am

    I saw Crystal and Lee both had rolling banners on the Pop page in itunes yesterday, looks like Jive and RCA (or Sony) decided to spend some money. I was a little suprised Crystal’s pre-order banner was in Pop, but I’m not sure where else they’d put it and it’s probably a popular page, so lots of traffic.

    I think that is where they believe a lot of AI viewers are — and for the presale that would be Crystal’s big market.

  26. Isn’t I-tunes “Pop” the home for many Artists that haven’t yet made a significant dent in a particular mainstream genre. I-Tunes, it seems to me, tends to use “pop” as a catch-all for a lot of different sounds, and inclusion there seems more about someone with some “buzz” rather than a legitimate pop sound. (Hasn’t Su-Bo always been listed in pop…and I would think she is the farthest thing from a pop artist.

    Besides, with someone like Crystal where should she be listed. There isn’t a category for “guitar playing song-writers who write personal message songs that are reminiscent of songs that were popular over 40 years ago”.

  27. Besides, with someone like Crystal where should she be listed. There isn’t a category for “guitar playing song-writers who write personal message songs that are reminiscent of songs that were popular over 40 years ago”.

    But there is probably a Billboard chart for just that!

  28. I’m just glad that they didn’t “hide” Crystal’s banners in the Singer-Songwriter category with Arlo Guthrie, James Taylor and Peter, Paul & Mary. :)

    AKA the “guitar playing song-writers who write personal message songs that are reminiscent of songs that were popular over 40 years ago” or were actually released over 40 years ago category.

    Arlo Guthrie’s “Alice’s Restaurant” is the #1 iTunes album in that category. Released in 1967.

  29. LOL — well iTunes doesn’t have a Hot AC category, so that’s why Lee and Crystal are probably on the Pop page.

  30. Even though he moved up on the chart (congrats for making the Top 30), Lee’s spins as well as his bullet actually dropped. So probably the start of the holiday freeze.

  31. Looks like Lee just get one more automatic add today – from Hot AC station in Trenton (has spun SS 10 times this past week)

    Danny’s Christmas song has only gotten one spin this week — was it officially released to radio?

    Also, anyone know where Sleepwalker is on the Canadian charts?

  32. Canada HAC
    56 46 ADAM LAMBERT Sleepwalker 109 71 38 0.425
    +9 spins
    +9 bullets
    +0.013 AI

  33. Besides, with someone like Crystal where should she be listed. There isn’t a category for “guitar playing song-writers who write personal message songs that are reminiscent of songs that were popular over 40 years ago”.

    How about “Now That´s What We Call Real Music” or
    “No Pop-Shit” category

  34. girlygirl,

    Country stations haven’t been playing much Christmas music yet; mine isn’t playing any. Some won’t play it until the week before.
    I would expect this week that it will start picking up some spins; it was released to radio and was in the top 5 downloads country two days in a row. Of course that doesn’t guarantee they will play it.

    AC definitely plays the most Christmas music, we have one here that plays all Christmas music until christmas.

  35. ok, thanks, I didn’t know when country stations started playing holiday music.

  36. Tess:
    11/29/2010 at 10:28 am
    Isn’t I-tunes “Pop” the home for many Artists that haven’t yet made a significant dent in a particular mainstream genre. I-Tunes, it seems to me, tends to use “pop” as a catch-all for a lot of different sounds, and inclusion there seems more about someone with some “buzz” rather than a legitimate pop sound. (Hasn’t Su-Bo always been listed in pop…and I would think she is the farthest thing from a pop artist

    Besides, with someone like Crystal where should she be listed. There isn’t a category for “guitar playing song-writers who write personal message songs that are reminiscent of songs that were popular over 40 years ago”.

    I can’t stand iTunes categories. They throw everything into alternative too. My vote for Crystal would be Alt or the sing-songwriter category.

  37. I can’t stand iTunes categories. They throw everything into alternative too. My vote for Crystal would be Alt or the sing-songwriter category.

    ITA. I think this is why I was surprised she was listed in Pop. I guess it makes sense that the Idol viewers would be more likely to see the ad for her pre-order in Pop and it gets good exposure, but then again if Jive was going to try and push for AAA radio, they might want to list her differently. I guess pd’s aren’t looking in itunes for labels, but it’s an interesting roll out to watch. I imagine AAA listeners aren’t browsing around in Pop either.

    Subo in Pop does make it seem the ultimate catch-all. Itunes needs more categories.

  38. AWM got an add :D
    KWYE-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Fresno 19/Jive/JLG Peak Broadcasting 66 11/29/2010 10:40:00 AM

  39. I can’t stand iTunes categories. They throw everything into alternative too. My vote for Crystal would be Alt or the sing-songwriter category.

    The iTunes categories make no sense because the genres make little sense. Look at Rock — #1 song One Republic “Secrets” and a lot of Beatles songs — most of which are pop not rock songs — Let I Be, Blackbird, Yesterday — great songs, not rock songs.

    I think they should have put Crystal in alternative — with Neon Tree, Florence & the Machine and The Script.

    She fits the singer-songwriter category on iTunes best but that is a low traffic part of iTunes.

    But Crystal is not Pop, and I can only figure that is because Pop and Country are the #1 genres for AI viewers.

  40. Crystal isn’t an alternative rock musician — she shouldn’t be in that category

  41. HDD NOW IN: 36.20%

    Top 10 plus Aldean and Glee. No Idols in the Top 50.

    LW TW artist / album label power index
    — 1 KANYE WEST ROC-A-FELLA/IDJMG 162,561
    MY BEAUTIFUL DARK TWISTED…
    — 2 NICKI MINAJ CASH MONEY/UNIV MOTOWN 117,069
    PINK FRIDAY
    — 3 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJMG 98,500
    MY WORLDS ACOUSTIC
    1 4 SUSAN BOYLE COLUMBIA 92,490
    THE GIFT
    9 5 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 85,397
    SPEAK NOW
    3 6 RIHANNA DEF JAM/IDJ 63,277
    LOUD
    5 7 KID ROCK ATLANTIC 49,669
    BORN FREE
    2 8 JACKIE EVANCHO COLUMBIA 44,328
    O HOLY NIGHT
    13 9 NOW THAT’S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 36 CAPITOL/EMI 41,821
    VARIOUS ARTISTS
    — 10 NE-YO DEF JAM/IDJ 36,654
    LIBRA SCALE
    11 11 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 34,576
    MY KINDA PARTY
    8 28 GLEE CAST COLUMBIA 14,158
    CHRISTMAS ALBUM

    This must be Walmart because I think that’s the only place to buy Bieber’s acoustic album.

  42. ITA. I think this is why I was surprised she was listed in Pop. I guess it makes sense that the Idol viewers would be more likely to see the ad for her pre-order in Pop and it gets good exposure, but then again if Jive was going to try and push for AAA radio, they might want to list her differently. I guess pd’s aren’t looking in itunes for labels, but it’s an interesting roll out to watch. I imagine AAA listeners aren’t browsing around in Pop either.

    Subo in Pop does make it seem the ultimate catch-all. Itunes needs more categories.

    I would think labels might ask for people to be put in Pop because they know that that’s where most of the Itunes browsers are. I’m not sure how many people browsing Pop actually are going to be attracted to Susan B or Crystal, but they would certainly get more eyeballs overall there, so maybe it’s a reasonable strategy? Heck, a lot of casual Itunes browsers who might also be casual Idol fans may not even know enough about what the other categories like Alt are (of course, Alt seems to me virtually everybody on Itunes, but leaving that aside…) to think that an Idol might be found there …

  43. In the holiday spirit, Xmas albums showing up in the Top 50 on HDD so far:

    1 4 SUSAN BOYLE: THE GIFT – COLUMBIA 92,490
    2 8 JACKIE EVANCHO: O HOLY NIGHT – COLUMBIA 44,328
    19 24 MARIAH CAREY: MERRY CHRISTMAS II YOU – ISLAND/IDJMG 16,052
    8 28 GLEE CAST: CHRISTMAS ALBUM – COLUMBIA 14,158
    29 29 JOSH GROBAN: NOEL – REPRISE 14,028
    30 39 TAYLOR SWIFT: HOLIDAY COLLECTION – BIG MACHINE 10,124
    26 40 ANDREA BOCELLI: MY CHRISTMAS – DECCA 9,962
    36 46 MICHAEL BUBLE: LET IT SNOW – REPRISE 8,051

  44. Nicki Minaj is doing really well. I doubt she’ll catch Kanye, but she’s holding her own.

  45. Crystal isn’t an alternative rock musician — she shouldn’t be in that category

    Anything that is different, or not mainstream is labeled as alternative, so it just shows that the labels don’t always make a lot of sense. A lot of alternative rock bands lost that label when top 40 stations started playing their music.

    KWYE-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Fresno 19/Jive/JLG Peak Broadcasting 66

    It’s good to see a manual add. Reaching, but maybe it’s a sign that those in the industry are seeing how well the song is doing in other markets.

  46. Eriko:
    11/29/2010 at 11:31 am

    Besides, with someone like Crystal where should she be listed. There isn’t a category for “guitar playing song-writers who write personal message songs that are reminiscent of songs that were popular over 40 years ago”.

    How about “Now That´s What We Call Real Music” or
    “No Pop-Shit” category

    Naaah, that wouldn’t work for me at all. I’m not one that thinks all pop music is shit or isn’t real music. What defines “real” anyway?? I actually think there’s some great pop music out there and sometimes the singer-songwriter stuff bores me to tears. There are good and bad artists in both genres.

  47. Lee isn’t in the Top 50? He could still have a smaller than normal 2nd week drop off, right, since it was Black Friday?

  48. 36% in at hdd. Kanye #1. Minaj#2 as expected. Bieber #3. Subo#4 Taylor#5. Lee not in top 50. But that could change. Prolly wal-mart reported but not iTunes yet

  49. sort of OT question. Does anyone know how the people in David Cook’s or Daughtry’s or Kris’ band are paid? Are they signed to the label and/or management co., or does Chris D/David C/Kris pay them some sort of weekly rate out of their own pocket? I know that Kris, Daughtry and Cook (supposedly) don’t get paid for their recording sessions — but do the band members? Do they get paid more as if they were hired session players rather than a “true” band? Do they get paid union scale/benefits?

  50. Girlygirl, I don’t know the answer to your question concerning studio sessions. However, David Cook jokingly made a few references while on tour that his band was on his payroll. Also, some fans said that the band members mentioned getting paid a given amount for each concert stop they played. Of course, this is just 2nd hand information.

  51. RCA needs to pull the plug on Lee right now. It’s becoming painfully obvious that he has no support outside of his rabid Idol fanbase. Casual fans have no interest in his post-Idol music.

  52. With 100% of the country stations reported, 17 new adds for DYWS.
    No really big market, most of them added it the last two weeks.

  53. RCA needs to pull the plug on Lee right now. It’s becoming painfully obvious that he has no support outside of his rabid Idol fanbase. Casual fans have no interest in his post-Idol music.

    OH LAWD!

  54. Any word on an official add date for Crystal? We’re getting close to that album drop date.

  55. sort of OT question. Does anyone know how the people in David Cook’s or Daughtry’s or Kris’ band are paid?

    They are paid by the artists, but the label will advance the artist money to pay them, but will take that money out of any royalties that the artist receives. http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties.htm/printable Scroll down to the advances and recoupment section.

    The artists are responsible for a lot of things, including the recording and promotion costs, half the cost of the tour and videos, and paying the producer(s) and the band members. The label makes advances, but it seems like they should be responsible for more things, especially since they have the final say on so many things.

  56. RCA needs to pull the plug on Lee right now. It’s becoming painfully obvious that he has no support outside of his rabid Idol fanbase. Casual fans have no interest in his post-Idol music.

    Casual fans from where, American Idol? These are the only people who would be partially aware that Lee has music out. RCA either just wants to capitalize on Lee’s AI fame, in that case they should just give up, or they want to develop his career, and see what he can do beyond just being a reality show contestant. If their plan is to develop his career, then they have to expose his music to more people, which is what they are doing by having him play at all of these radio shows.

  57. Girlygirl, don’t forget that the band members also get a per diem. Bigdaddy talked about it often. lol

  58. Walmart numbers may be less of the market than they used to be because they have really reduced the square footage for CDs. Some stores no longer even have an endcap for music. That said these are not great numbers….

    Kanye forecast of 500K-575K depending on forecaster — tracking to 448K
    Nickie was expected to hit 400K and is tracking to 323K

    But the biggest surprise to me is Bieber — because Walmart is it for him — and 98,500 is about 20% less than forecast.

  59. koshka:
    11/29/2010 at 3:21 pm
    Any word on an official add date for Crystal? We’re getting close to that album drop date.

    When is her album drop date and when did they release the single? Is the single making any impact on the charts?

  60. wow – with so much to pay to band members (who deserve to be paid well of course) it’s amazing these guys with bands do as well as they do.

  61. When did they release the single? Is the single making any impact on the charts?

    I was going to ask the same question because I think the album drop date is 12/14 and we’ve not heard anything about her single. This S9 roll out is kind of a mess. Uggh!

  62. Adam pays all of the musicians, dancers, crew and technicians, along with Neil, Lane and several others. Usually, a solo artist’s musicians get paid when they work, but an artist will keep his/her band working with between tour dates to keep them together and pay them. That is why Adam did those casino dates in Feb – May 2010.

    Some solo artists pay their band during long breaks but that is rare.

    In a band, vs. a solo act, the band pays everyone and then splits what is left equally or in pre-arranged shares. I believe all the major American Idol artists are solo artists.

    The artists are responsible for a lot of things, including the recording and promotion costs, half the cost of the tour and videos, and paying the producer(s) and the band members. The label makes advances, but it seems like they should be responsible for more things, especially since they have the final say on so many things.

    Depends on the contact how much involvement and responsibility the label has. Artists who have a 360 degree major label contract share risk and reward with their label for merchandise, touring, etc. The labels are happy to take more financial responsibility if they get more pieces of the pie.

    For the 19E artists, 19 controls the merchandise and touring, not the labels. Although it seems like most/all get some tour support (recoupable against royalties) from Sony. For Adam 19 was responsible for the US and Canadian concerts, Sony had major role in the international dates.

    The label only gets the revenue from recorded music sales (albums, tracks, videos, ring tones), and some publishing and licensing income. Seems reasonable to me that their financial responsibility is somewhat limited.

    And the 19 artists get big advances, big budget albums (up until AI9), big promo budgets, multiple videos, and nice royalty deals. Adam has said he was given creative freedom. Jive gave Crystal a pretty free hand and only “made” her record 1 track, HO, but are releasing her song for the single. I am not sure what big gap is.

  63. Here’s the info from Brian on Crystal….

    Crystal Bowersox’s Farmer’s Daughter fails to make the top 100 (American Idol artist airplay), but it does get 21 spins, most of them coming from 102.1 FM KPRI in San Diego, Calif. Crystal’s scheduled to open for Shawn Mullins and the Doobie Brothers at KPRI’s Holiday Soiree Sunday.

    But I do not see any add date for this song. Album releases in 2 weeks — another odd new artist launch? Album release with no radio.

  64. Any word on an official add date for Crystal? We’re getting close to that album drop date

    .

    I’d be surprised to see an official adds date for Crystal’s single this year. Radio playlists start freezing up this time of year as holiday music takes over the airwaves. Kind of pointless for Jive to spend a bunch of effort trying to push the song to radio right now.

  65. I wonder based on what Jive are expecting Crystal to sell on her first week if she doesn’t have a song on the charts. Does she has some huge promo planned up? or are they just waiting until after the holidays freeze?

  66. The writing is on the wall for Crystal. She’s about to become the lowest selling Top 2 finalist in Idol history.

  67. If there was going to be an oficial adds date for Crystal before the end of the year, it would have been announced by now, you’d think. Seems odd that her album will drop without a single out to support it, but Jive is doing a lot of things different with her and the change from Hold On to Farmer’s Daughter may have messed up any idea they had of sending the single for adds before January

  68. I wonder why Jive and Crystal fought so hard to come to an agreement on the Dec 14th date with no lead single out for adds. I guess getting it in stores for people to buy before the holidays is something.

  69. So Adam, Cook and Kris are solo artists who have a band? What about Daughtry? Is he also and solo artist with a band or is he a group. I guess what I am asking is if a grammy were issued would it go to Adam? Cook? Kris? and not the band members. What about Daughtry, would he get it or would his entire band receive it? And no, I am not expecting any of them to get a grammy right now just trying to understand how they are categorized. I always thought Daughtry was an actual group.

  70. I’d be surprised to see an official adds date for Crystal’s single this year. Radio playlists start freezing up this time of year as holiday music takes over the airwaves. Kind of pointless for Jive to spend a bunch of effort trying to push the song to radio right now.

    Good point… the season is upon us.

    sr4mjc:
    11/29/2010 at 4:49 pm
    I wonder why Jive fought so hard for the Dec 14th date with no lead single out for adds. I guess getting it in stores for people to buy before the holidays is something.

    They probably would like to see SOME kind of profit from all the cash outlay they incurred in 2010.

  71. Lee got another HOT AC add (KSII in El Paso) — that gives him 4 for this week (2 US, 2 Canada)

  72. The writing is on the wall for Crystal. She’s about to become the lowest selling Top 2 finalist in Idol history.

    Hasn’t it already been established that it’s pretty silly to compare the season 9 group to every other Idol season? And does it really matter? I’m not a fan of Crystal’s but I get the feeling she doesn’t care if she sells 90,000 records her first week or 90. She (and Lee for that matter) just wants to put out music shes proud of and have a sustainable career. Seems to me with the way RCA and Jive are handling the two of them, they’re not interested in cashing in on the instant dollar the Idol meme usually gives.

    Anyway, I have a question about monitored stations. I’m new to all this and only really pay attention to see what stations add SS. When I started paying attention there were 101 monitored stations, then down to 100, and now 94. Why is that? Is that some holiday music thing?

  73. Lee got another add-

    KSII El Paso

    It seems like RCA and Jive knew the numbers were lower even by the time they signed Lee and Crystal and decided to go about things differently this year.

  74. But the biggest surprise to me is Bieber — because Walmart is it for him — and 98,500 is about 20% less than forecast.

    I haven’t been paying close attention to HDD numbers for a while, but Walmart used to report in two blocks.

    I wonder why Jive fought so hard for the Dec 14th date with no lead single out for adds.

    A) There is a lot of money to be made in Christmas Idol sales (oh, doesn’t so-and-so watch the show? Stocking Stuffer!). They probably wanted a piece of that.

    B) I think that Jive was planning on having a lead single out for adds. They seemed quite excited about “Hold On” and with its Nickelback pedigree, they might had luck getting adds. Then Crystal threw a public temper tantrum (and goodness knows how bad it got behind closed doors) to get the song that she wanted throwing Jive’s marketing plan on its ear and the PDs probably said “We already have the song about the Christmas shoes, so we don’t need any more depressing songs for the season” and Jive figured that they might as well pack it in and stop throwing good money at a song that wasn’t going to go anywhere anyway. Why not focus on the artists that aren’t a pain in the a$$? There are lots of talented people who do know how to compromise.

  75. car:
    11/29/2010 at 4:55 pm
    So Adam, Cook and Kris are solo artists who have a band? What about Daughtry? Is he also and solo artist with a band or is he a group. I guess what I am asking is if a grammy were issued would it go to Adam? Cook? Kris? and not the band members. What about Daughtry, would he get it or would his entire band receive it? And no, I am not expecting any of them to get a grammy right now just trying to understand how they are categorized. I always thought Daughtry was an actual group.

    Adam, Cook and Kris are all solo acts. Daughtry is a band…so if they got a grammy the whole band would.

  76. It doesn’t matter if Lee and Crystal sell 20,000 or 200,000 because someone will come along and say but they still didn’t sell as much as Carrie or Kelly, or Gaga or Bieber. It will never be enough. They only need to worry about meeting the expectations of their labels whatever that is. My guess is their labels are not as surprised as some of us.

  77. girlygirl:
    11/29/2010 at 4:42 pm

    If there was going to be an oficial adds date for Crystal before the end of the year, it would have been announced by now, you’d think. Seems odd that her album will drop without a single out to support it, but Jive is doing a lot of things different with her and the change from Hold On to Farmer’s Daughter may have messed up any idea they had of sending the single for adds before January

    This is particularly odd for Jive whose has a core competency in the promotion of singles. But Crystal is not really much like anyone signed to Jive. I guess Kris is the closest Jive artist to Crystal and they are pretty different.

  78. What about Daughtry, would he get it or would his entire band receive it?

    Daughtry is a band. They have always been marketed as a band and they were nominated for Grammys as a band. Chris has been nominated for a Grammy on his own because he writes songs as well (and would be nominated with anybody he co-writes with). This is fairly typical, though, because frequently there are one or two songwriters in a band (think how L/M wrote moste of The Beatles songs) although, sometimes, the entire band writes on every song.

    It’s unclear how the rest of the band (Daughtry) gets paid though. There was much speculation back in the day when it first started. The band had not played on the first studio album so presumably they would not get royalties. They were on a tour of tiny clubs to learn how to play together (and possibly because their managment underestimated their draw), so they couldn’t possibly have been making any money off those gigs ($10-$15 tickets in clubs that hold 200 people while having to pay for a bus and support people? Not much money left over). So, how did they survive those early months? Did they get paid like a tour band? Typically, non-tour bands just share the profits from touring and royalties, but that first year was an odd situation.

  79. This is particularly odd for Jive whose has a core competency in the promotion of singles. But Crystal is not really much like anyone signed to Jive. I guess Kris is the closest Jive artist to Crystal and they are pretty different.

    Very true. She’s so different and even between her and Kris, the difference is huge and the only similarity I personally see is they both play guitars. Kris could fit very well into many genres Jive has on it’s roster. Crystal, not.

  80. car:
    11/29/2010 at 5:14 pm

    It doesn’t matter if Lee and Crystal sell 20,000 or 200,000 because someone will come along and say but they still didn’t sell as much as Carrie or Kelly, or Gaga or Bieber. It will never be enough. They only need to worry about meeting the expectations of their labels whatever that is. My guess is their labels are not as surprised as some of us.

    Well you are right that there will always be someone saying that sales did not meet expecations no matter what someone sells. But an Idol winner selling 38,500 units in the first week is still shockingly low — without any comparison to other Idols. Just looking at the TV exposure that Idol give to artists and the tour — a finalist, particularly a winner, should sell more.

    I don’t think that many posters here are that surprised — most of the Lee guesses posted here were that he would sell 40K-45K — which was pretty close to were he came out.

    My only surprise is the lack of promotion for Lee and now for Crystal. I do not know if it would have helped or not.

    Crystal is not having a strong pre-sale, lower chart positions then Lee had. #157 on Amazon and not in the Top 200 on iTunes — #60 in Pop Albums. So unless something shifts in the next week or so, she could actually debut with less sales than Lee.

    In any case, I think Casey will outsell both Crystal and Lee.

  81. Q3, how do you think the fact that Crystal is not managed by 19M will affect her promotion outside of what Jive will do? I still notice that Lee is still not listed on the 19E website but I am sure they are just slow. They still have Kris’ winning moment up tho.

  82. Daughtry is a band. They have always been marketed as a band and they were nominated for Grammys as a band.

    They were on the Red Carpet at last year’s Grammys as a band. They did press in Singapore as a band. The official website features pictures of the whole band. The RIAA certification are to the band, not to Chris Daughtry. They are a band.

    I have no idea if the members of Daughtry share in the concert profits — but Daughtry must keep at least the majority of the profits or it is head to see how Forbes came up with his 2009 earnings total. Adam has specifically said he pays everyone, I do not believe Daughtry has ever talked about it as specifically.

  83. Q3:
    11/29/2010 at 5:20 pm
    girlygirl:
    11/29/2010 at 4:42 pm

    If there was going to be an oficial adds date for Crystal before the end of the year, it would have been announced by now, you’d think. Seems odd that her album will drop without a single out to support it, but Jive is doing a lot of things different with her and the change from Hold On to Farmer’s Daughter may have messed up any idea they had of sending the single for adds before January

    This is particularly odd for Jive whose has a core competency in the promotion of singles. But Crystal is not really much like anyone signed to Jive. I guess Kris is the closest Jive artist to Crystal and they are pretty different.

    I do think Crystal screwed up her own release by her very public tantrum regarding Hold On as a single. Had she stuck to the original plan, I’d imagine she’d at least have a song trying to get some radio play.

    As far as the similarities between Kris and Crystal, aside from them both playing guitar and being song-writers I don’t think there is much in common. The vibes of their music are completely different from each other.

  84. Hasn’t it already been established that it’s pretty silly to compare the season 9 group to every other Idol season? And does it really matter? I’m not a fan of Crystal’s but I get the feeling she doesn’t care if she sells 90,000 records her first week or 90. She (and Lee for that matter) just wants to put out music shes proud of and have a sustainable career. Seems to me with the way RCA and Jive are handling the two of them, they’re not interested in cashing in on the instant dollar the Idol meme usually gives.

    I would guess that Crystal, like any other artist, would want her music to be listened by more and more people. Maybee she doesn’t want to go completely mainstream like some alternative acts did but she probably wants to find a large audience to help her sustain a carreer.
    Also, what’s the point in going to AI otherwise? It’s a show to put your name out there and get people to listen and buy your music, She could stay in Ohio, not have all the inconvenients of going to AI and sell 90 records.

  85. RCA needs to pull the plug on Lee right now. It’s becoming painfully obvious that he has no support outside of his rabid Idol fanbase. Casual fans have no interest in his post-Idol music.

    I’m not an exec from RCA but If I were, I definitely wouldn’t pull the plug on a brand-new artist with a Top 30 single two weeks after his album dropped. Thank God that’s not the way it works.

  86. tripp_ncwy:
    11/29/2010 at 5:51 pm

    Q3, how do you think the fact that Crystal is not managed by 19M will affect her promotion outside of what Jive will do? I still notice that Lee is still not listed on the 19E website but I am sure they are just slow. They still have Kris’ winning moment up tho.

    JMO — and Kristen may have more insight into this because she knows a lot more about the inner working of 19 than I do. And I am not a fan of 19.

    Since she is being managed by Gina Orr, I think Crystal is in great hands. Gina is respected by the press, hard working and knowledgeable. Gina was a publicist at Jive and then VP PR for 19E for a year before she started her own firm. She seems to have a good relationship with both 19 and with Jive — and understands both organizations. Crystal is also really important to her so will get a lot of attention.

    I am not impressed with 19M except that they have the capacity to give the artists they manage access to big promotional opportunities — Idol, SYTYCD, etc. But CKx, and 19M in particular, is a bit disheveled right now. So unless an artist is earning them a lot of money right now, I think that they could be ignored.

    I follow Adam most closely and most of the misses (examples: the UK launch, booking him into a old slaughterhouse turned into a hot-box in Lubbock) were things that 19 was responsible for. If they have miscues for Adam, I can’t imagine how they treat Allison. I think that 19M is a mixed blessing but probably Crystal is better off without them.

    Some of the past Idols who did not sign with 19M ended up with poor relationships with 19E. I do not know what caused these problems but they seem avoidable to me.

  87. Seems to me with the way RCA and Jive are handling the two of them, they’re not interested in cashing in on the instant dollar the Idol meme usually gives.

    I don’t get how RCA and Jive are handling them so differently than they have other artists. Yes, Lee has more co-writes on his album, but its unknown whether that’s to save money or because they’re confident in his abilities. HIs album date is about the same, they released his single with an add date and his promo has been jingle balls just like some prior idol winners or runnerups.

    With Crystal, I think they probably did have something set up for Hold On, but Crystal’s tweets and the fan reaction to those tweets probably nixed those plans. Crystal is getting more solo writing credits on her album, but who knows why that is..if she was as difficult for co-writes as she was for the Hold On song, who knows? Now, she may be on her own for radio play for the song. Has there been any word of tv appearances or jingle balls besides the Doobie Brothers one?

    Question for Crystal fans – wasn’t there talk of her collaborating with some big names for cowrites on her album? I thought Linda Perry and Michael Franti were mentioned. Did those co-writes make the album?

    I also think the argument that RCA and Jive are less concerned about making money off of Lee and Crystal is wishful thinking. At the end of the day, RCA and Jive are businesses and need to see some type of income from the projects. Just ask Allison Iraheta.

  88. My guess is their labels are not as surprised as some of us.

    Tell that to Allison Iraheta and her fans. I wasn’t surprised about her first week sales given her placement on the show and whatever little promo her first single was getting, yet apparently the label expected more. I’m guessing they might be expecting a little bit more from someone who finished 2nd or someone who actually won the show.

  89. Crystal got her first add for Farmer’s Daughter:

    KLLY-FM 0 Hot AC Bakersfield Buckley Broadcasting Corporation 75

    This would seem to confirm that the song has been sent to radio stations.

  90. I would guess that Crystal, like any other artist, would want her music to be listened by more and more people. Maybee she doesn’t want to go completely mainstream like some alternative acts did but she probably wants to find a large audience to help her sustain a carreer.
    Also, what’s the point in going to AI otherwise? It’s a show to put your name out there and get people to listen and buy your music, She could stay in Ohio, not have all the inconvenients of going to AI and sell 90 records.

    Its all good she will be making “real” music

  91. I’m guessing they might be expecting a little bit more from someone who finished 2nd or someone who actually won the show.

    Why would they expect more, when they know how many AI concert tour stops were canceled, that the majority of the ones that weren’t canceled didn’t sell a lot of tickets, they know about the low ratings for season 9, the decrease in votes, and they know how poorly Lee and Crystal’s coronation (or whatever they were called) singles did.

    Tell that to Allison Iraheta and her fans.

    I don’t think that the labels, especially Jive, put too much emphasis on AI fans. They aren’t going to turn down the cash, but they know that if they want to keep profiting off of these people, then they have to promote their music. I’m pretty sure that Jive wasn’t surprised that Allison’s lack of airplay resulted in the singles and album not selling. Based on some things that Allison has said, I’ve always gotten the feeling that her split with Jive was about more than poor sales figures.

    With Crystal, I have a bad feeling about Jive’s insistence that she release an album in December, even though so far they really haven’t given her any promotion. This is starting to look like they are going to get what they can off of holiday sales, and any AI fame that she may have, and I’m not to positive what might happen after that.

  92. Dlynne:
    11/29/2010 at 6:18 pm

    RCA needs to pull the plug on Lee right now. It’s becoming painfully obvious that he has no support outside of his rabid Idol fanbase. Casual fans have no interest in his post-Idol music.

    I’m not an exec from RCA but If I were, I definitely wouldn’t pull the plug on a brand-new artist with a Top 30 single two weeks after his album dropped. Thank God that’s not the way it works.

    RCA has a lot invested in Lee — they will not pull the plug because it makes no sense to do that. But it does look like they are being very cautious about investing in promoting him. And I expect that to continue given the low sales of both the album and the single. They will also work to figure out a way to make money on their investment.

    Jordin “Battlefield” (album) did not sell that much in the US but it was bigger in the UK. Sony UK is still promoting singles there and the album has sold over 600,000 unit plus had a big single in the US.

    Taylor Hick’s debut album had an great debut and then was done. Arista didn’t seem to have any way to make money on the album after that initial sales wave. They finally liquidated a lot of stock in record clubs.

    Sometimes they figure it out, other times they do not.

    SS is not getting a lot of airplay — just over 500 spins a week in scattered markets is not going to drive sales. SS will be around through the holiday freeze, then I hope RCA releases another single. If they do not, then Lee could be in trouble, but it is way to early to know what is going to happen.

    Finally SS is the #30 current song on HAC Radio Stations that are monitored by MediaBase. The label is interested in sales, and SS is not really selling. If it was the #30 song on the digital sales chart they would care, an Idol winner getting modest airplay on HAC is not that impressive.

  93. and Jive figured that they might as well pack it in and stop throwing good money at a song that wasn’t going to go anywhere anyway. Why not focus on the artists that aren’t a pain in the a$$? There are lots of talented people who do know how to compromise.

    I think you nailed it Kirsten. I’m not saying that Crystal can’t voice her opinion, but there is a right and wrong way to do it. She has a contract because she went on a reality tv show, and now she’s actually dealing with people who are professionals, and who have worked their way up through the business, so she needs to start acting like a professional too.

  94. Why would they expect more, when they know how many AI concert tour stops were canceled, that the majority of the ones that weren’t canceled didn’t sell a lot of tickets, they know about the low ratings for season 9, the decrease in votes, and they know how poorly Lee and Crystal’s coronation (or whatever they were called) singles did.

    Perhaps because Crystal was signed by 19 and Jive before the Tour issues showed up and before her Idol single sales were released.

    March 28, 2010
    That was fast. Less than 24 hours after winning season nine of “American Idol,” Lee DeWyze signed a record deal with 19 Recordings Limited and RCA Records, while his pal and runner-up, Crystal Bowersox, inked a contract with 19 Recordings Limited and Jive for her debut major-label album.
    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1640281/20100528/story.jhtml

    Her post Idol single was released on March 28, 2010:

    “Up to the Mountain”
    Single by Crystal Bowersox
    Released May 28, 2010

    So the only thing they knew when they signed Crystal was that votes were down (Idol never disclosed how many votes were received, I believe.) and that Idol’s ratings were down about 10% from the prior year — but it still was the #1 TV show in the US overall. And over 20 million people watched the show. And it continued to give many artists who performed on the show a huge sales boost.

    They had to sign Lee no matter what they expected. They chose to sign Crystal and Casey. I have no idea what Sony expected from Crystal but I bet they expected her to sell more then 200K when they signed her. But the majority of recording artists do not meet expectations — the labels make all of their money on the few that do sell. Same as books and movies and video games. You pay for a catalog and make profits on the hits.

    But $300K advance + $500K* for a low budget album and promo means that Jive needs to sell around 300K units to cover the investment. I think she has a shot. And Crystal has so many writing credits and 100% on her single, she should be in good shape if she gets airplay and modest sales.
    * An educated guess.

    Allison was in a very different situation. Her album was expensive — lots of writers and big producers. She needed much higher sales than 100K to get a second album with Jive. I think this was pure numbers, nothing more.

  95. AWM is #59 on the mediabase Hot AC chart this week — up 2 spots from last week (61). I’m hoping this will convince Jive to give it an official add date & push it to radio after the holiday freeze. I keep hearing on twitter that people who call stations to request it are being told the PDs and DJs love the song, but it isnt on their playlist yet. So if Jive would just give it that official add date, maybe it would actually DO something without the label having to spend a lot of time or $$$ promoting it

  96. Perhaps because Crystal was signed by 19 and Jive before the Tour issues showed up and before her Idol single sales were released.

    It was before the tour even started that Reps. from Sony said that they expected that Lee and Crystal’s numbers would be lower, and they specifically mentioned the voting totals, so they knew what to expect.

    Given that it also looks like they spent less money producing Lee and Crystal’s albums, than they did with Kris, Allison, or Adam, that is also another sign that they knew to lower their expectations.

    I really don’t understand what signing Lee and Crystal early, or to be more precise, announcing their signings early has to do with whether or not Sony and 19 expected that both Lee and Crystal would have a smaller AI fanbase than what most idol alums had.

  97. So if Jive would just give it that official add date, maybe it would actually DO something without the label having to spend a lot of time or $$$ promoting it

    PDs could add the song now, so just giving it an add date probably isn’t going to do anything, Jive will have to spend money and time promoting it.

  98. I have heard from more than one person who claims to have “inside info” that 19 was more than happy to see Crystal go, as she was such a royal pain in the ass for them to deal with. How accurate this “inside info” is I’m not sure, but if it is true, then 19 isn’t likely to give Gina any help with Crystal if she ever comes to them looking for advice or help with bookings or whatever — she’s going to be pretty much on her own.

  99. Adds for today

    5 LEE DEWYZE Sweet Serendipity
    2 CRYSTAL BOWERSOX Farmer’s Daughter
    1 ADAM LAMBERT Sleepwalker
    1 CARRIE UNDERWOOD What Child Is This
    1 FANTASIA I’m Doin’ Me
    1 JASON CASTRO You Are
    1 KRIS ALLEN Alright With Me
    1 MANDISA Little Drummer Boy

  100. Elliegrll

    a lot of those stations are Clear Channel ones — they are like Cumulus – they tend to add songs at the same time, when the corp HQ tells them to. That was the big thing last year when the Cumulus stations took forever to add Adam’s song — then he ended up getting a bunch of adds from those stations the same week

    I’m staying positive — at least until the first week or so in Janaury. If Jive doesn’t do something for the song then, then I’ll give up and be pissed off)

  101. There are stations that probably won’t add a song without an adds date(maybe if it will be higher on the chart, but for that to happen in needs more stations), so giving an adds date should help, but I agree that the adds dates needs to come up with a push from Jive. hopefully AWM will continue to slowly climb and then will hopefully go for adds after the holidays and then I think it will really take off.

  102. I have a hard time believing Jive and RCA don’t get private information about how many itunes tracks these guys sell or how many votes they get.
    That must be something they demand in other to make any kind of plans and Crystal must have sold a decent amount considering she was a frontrunner all the way from the semifinals and got a lot of judge’s praises.

    Adds for today

    5 LEE DEWYZE Sweet Serendipity
    2 CRYSTAL BOWERSOX Farmer’s Daughter
    1 ADAM LAMBERT Sleepwalker
    1 CARRIE UNDERWOOD What Child Is This
    1 FANTASIA I’m Doin’ Me
    1 JASON CASTRO You Are
    1 KRIS ALLEN Alright With Me
    1 MANDISA Little Drummer Boy

    JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON Don’t You Wanna Stay
    17 Country
    1 Canada Country (still in progress)

    ETA: A lot of Christmas music adds in AC for Kat
    KATHARINE MCPHEE I’ll Be Home For Christmas 8
    KATHARINE MCPHEE Have Yourself A Merry Christmas 7
    KATHARINE MCPHEE Jingle Bells 1

  103. Q3, thanks for the input.

    I’m just not buying into the doom and gloom. If things haven’t improved by February, then I’ll be concerned. At this time, however, SS is still moving forward, albeit at a slower pace than some would like. I didn’t expect it to be an overnight hit but I do think that sometimes slow and steady can still win the race.

  104. Why would 19 help Crystal? They had the option to sign her to a management contract, but let her walk. I don’t know why they did that, maybe they just thought it would be too hard to promote her, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the attitude that she showed to the Jive rep. who was at the VH1 taping, is the same type of attitude that she showed to those at 19.

  105. Girlygirl:
    a lot of those stations are Clear Channel ones — they are like Cumulus – they tend to add songs at the same time, when the corp HQ tells them to. That was the big thing last year when the Cumulus stations took forever to add Adam’s song — then he ended up getting a bunch of adds from those stations the same week

    ClearChannel isn’t like Cumulus at all. If you look at add history for most songs, Clearchannel stations add at different times all the time. You can look at Lee’s history with Sweet Serendipity, Clearchannel stations added his song at three different times so far. Looking at the history of LLWD and WWFM, you see the same thing. Clearchannel adds are all over the map for both those songs. Cumulus does add in a block, but not Clearchannel.

  106. Would a major label give an AI contestant all these solo originals

    Yes, if they were resigned to just profitng off of whatever number of albums she’s going to move based on coming off of AI.

    I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but a lot of things about this just look odd.

    Maybe someone can help me, did Crystal start working on her album during or after the AI tour? I thought I remember an interview where she said that it would be after, and I can’t help but wonder if this was someone who skipped reading the AI history book.

  107. Maybe someone can help me, did Crystal start working on her album during or after the AI tour?

    Everything I´ve heard or read, points to after the tour. She mentioned in one interview, that they provided her with some gadget, don´t remember what they call it, something that comes in handy when writing songs, she could use during the tour. But pretty sure, she never met anyone connected with recording, during the tour. After the tour, she took one week off, then shortly after, she did the Power to the Peaceful with Franti. Also a weekend with Melissa for the Pink Oktober and got married…so, not much time she spent recording. One month perhaps? 2 of her songs she did tho wright after the tour.

  108. Crystal didn’t start working on her album until after the Idol tour.Gina Orr had her all over the place making numerous charity appearances, going on Anderson Cooper for his show about bullying, and she performed at the San Francisco music festival and opening at a Melissa Etheridge event, and she got engaged and then had her wedding. I know Crystal wanted her album delayed until spring, but somehow in the midst of all these other activities, she managed to get it recorded for a December release.

  109. Re the HDD numbers. I think Walmart reports twice to HDD so there could be a bunch of sales outstanding. Overall, HDD does a pretty accurate job predicting sales. They’re rarely off by a huge number.

    In term of album sales, Idol albums vary tremendously in how expensive they are to produce. Bit time producers and songwriters are expensive. Write your own songs, less expensive producers and it’s possible to make a profit with fairly modest sales. Remember 20 million watched S9. The label is probably expecting more than some minute % of the audience buy their albums.

  110. Thanks Artemis and Eriko. I thought I remembered reading that she didn’t want to start working on it until after the tour. Eriko, this could be one reason why she was given so many solo credits on the album, she really didn’t have time to meet with any co-writers. Someone else made the decision to wait until after the tour to work on his album, which resulted in him releasing the album on December 12th, and helped lead to a delay in his first single being released. It also probably contributed to the bad feelings between him and 19, and he was the first, and only winner that they never managed.

  111. Ericko, I asked this earlier, but I remember posts about Crystal cowriting with Linda Perry and Michael Franti. Did those ever happen or did they just not make the album?

  112. Ericko, I asked this earlier, but I remember posts about Crystal cowriting with Linda Perry and Michael Franti. Did those ever happen or did they just not make the album?

    Hi folks! My recollection is that Crystal said she was cowriting with these two, but their songs might not make her current album. I think that’s right.

  113. And it was Crystal who wanted a spring release, hardly because she wanted extra time to co-write

    And from what I recall reading, it looked like the release was scheduled for sometime next year, but then it was changed to December. That change doesn’t seem like something that would have happened, if Jive and Crystal were on the same page.

    You say that she didn’t want the extra time for co-writes, but it goes to reason that whether she wanted co-writes or not, the extra time would have allowed her time to write strong songs, and not have to rely on songs that were written pre-idol. It also would have given her time to write more than 11 to 12 songs, so that she would have a lot of songs to pick from. Jive taking that time away from her changed all of that, and it’s not something that would have been done if the relationship between the two camps was strong.

  114. Thanks Artemis and Eriko. I thought I remembered reading that she didn’t want to start working on it until after the tour. Eriko, this could be one reason why she was given so many solo credits on the album, she really didn’t have time to meet with any co-writers. Someone else made the decision to wait until after the tour to work on his album, which resulted in him releasing the album on December 12th, and helped lead to a delay in his first single being released. It also probably contributed to the bad feelings between him and 19, and he was the first, and only winner that they never managed.

    The thing is, aside from Crystal and one other notable winner, all the others have managed to record on tour, and they’ve had cowrites (especially Cook and Kris among the winners). Crystal might not have wanted to record her album while on tour, but obviously it can be done and I wouldn’t be surprised if her being unwilling to record or write while on tour might have been a problem for Jive.

  115. the extra time would have allowed her time to write strong songs, and not have to rely on songs that were written pre-idol.

    Most first albums outside Idol consist of the artist’s best songs out of all that have been written to date, whether it was written 2 days or 10 years ago. It doesn’t matter when she wrote the songs if they are good.

    We haven’t heard the album yet, so I don’t think we can all it one way or another.

  116. Ericko, I asked this earlier, but I remember posts about Crystal cowriting with Linda Perry and Michael Franti. Did those ever happen or did they just not make the album?

    It was never mentioned that Crystal was co-writing with anyone. Franti said in an interview, that Crystal had contacted him and sent him a song. Melissa said they planned to work together and Linda Perry tweeted how much she liked Crystal´s performance on the Tonight Show. All 3 of them have kept in touch and are now Crystal´s friends. And since all 3 of them were fans of Crystal and expressed interest to work with her, people thought it was a good possibility that it could happen on Crystal´s debut album. Maybe it would have happened if a spring release would have been decided. But I don´t recall any collaboration ever actually taking place. That will have to wait for album #2 :)

  117. Lee spent the summer flying to New York, LA, and Nashville writing and recording for his album almost every time he had a day or two off from the tour and worked in the studio after the tour until mid-October I know Kris and Adam had similar grueling schedules.I have never read anything about any of them making demands or fighting with the suits, and all three say they got to make the album that they wanted, that they were given a lot of freedom, and are greatful for the opportunities AI has given them.
    Crystal chose a different path.Time will tell how that works out for her, but it will be interesting to see. People have accused Season 9 of being boring, but it has sure kept me entertained.

  118. It also would have given her time to write more than 11 to 12 songs, so that she would have a lot of songs to pick from.

    She´s written 130-150 songs, and there were a few great ones that didn´t make the album. There are 2 songs I personally like more than some of the songs that made it

  119. Most first albums outside Idol consist of the artist’s best songs out of all that have been written to date, whether it was written 2 days or 10 years ago. It doesn’t matter when she wrote the songs if they are good.

    It mattered enough to Crystal that she wanted to wait until Spring to release the album. I’m sure that these songs are good, the ones that I’ve heard are good, even if they aren’t radio friendly, but having more time would have given her more songs to pick from, more time for promotional opportunities, and maybe even time to craft songs that were both her and catchy enough for the radio.

    BTW, I think the conversation was more about what this could mean in regards to Crystal’s relationship with Jive, and not so much about whether the songs are good or bad.

  120. It mattered enough to Crystal that she wanted to wait until Spring to release the album. I’m sure that these songs are good, the ones that I’ve heard are good, even if they aren’t radio friendly, but having more time would have given her more songs to pick from, more time for promotional opportunities, and maybe even time to craft songs that were both her and catchy enough for the radio.

    I think all Idols would have benefited from a spring release, quality wise, that is. Kinda obvious IMO.

  121. and Jive figured that they might as well pack it in and stop throwing good money at a song that wasn’t going to go anywhere anyway. Why not focus on the artists that aren’t a pain in the a$$? There are lots of talented people who do know how to compromise.

    I think you nailed it Kirsten. I’m not saying that Crystal can’t voice her opinion, but there is a right and wrong way to do it. She has a contract because she went on a reality tv show, and now she’s actually dealing with people who are professionals, and who have worked their way up through the business, so she needs to start acting like a professional too.

    Poor Jive being bullied by a farm girl :) I find the evidence that there is a problematic relationship between Jive and Crystal very weak and purely speculative. Could be true, but the contrary could also be true. Most everything that was predicted here in regards to the album has turned out differently. Why not give a positive Jive/Crystal relationship the benefit of the doubt? Would a major label give an AI contestant all these solo originals, the single and an award achieving director to direct her video, to someone they had a bad relationship with? Anyway, no matter how you look at it, her album is what Crystal and her fans wanted, and hopefully many others in the months and years to come. Wouldn´t it be great if the same would happen for all AI contestants and their fans?

  122. Also, remember that Crystal has health issues and needs to take good care of herself. I believe that the kind of diabetes that she has is the worst kind and much more difficult to control.

  123. BTW, I think the conversation was more about what this could mean in regards to Crystal’s relationship with Jive, and not so much about whether the songs are good or bad.

    Yeah, I get that. But the thing is that fighting with your label is not some abnormal thing, you know? Lots of artists fight with their label. Sometimes they even complain in public. The only difference here is that we know about it because of Twitter. So I don’t think Crystal wanting more time is some big indication that her label thinks she’s a pain in the ass and more than with any other artist who argues with them. I also don’t think that wanting more time to do things is an indication that what she has in the can is not release-worthy. (Actually, in retrospect, it looks like she was right for different reasons. They should have waited until the spring. They would have had more time to market her that way… its not like she was going to get huge sales in December.)

    We don’t even know if the fights were all that serious or if they just seemed that way. I mean a few weeks ago MTV was reporting about her label rep being giddy over her potential, along with the Vh1 people. Now all of a sudden that’s to be discounted?

    Now, Jive may actually hate her and she may be a beeyotch, I just don’t think there is enough to go on to declare that view truth yet.

  124. Adam’s Acoustic Live! EP CD is sold out. RCA is producing a second edition of the CD with modified cover art — probably a minor change like a new spin color. :)

    Also, the press has advance copies and reviews are due soon.

    __________________________________________________________________

    I tend to be a realist but Crystal is being doomed before she has even released her album and Lee buried when his album has 1 week of sales.

    Lee has 12 or so radio promo concerts — my last count was 6 were with stations that haven’t added SS. Although SS doesn’t appear to be a big hit waiting to happen, Lee is getting good reviews from his concert today at HOB Chicago. So he may just surprise some people. I am not writing Lee off but he has an uphill battle now.

    Crystal is not a typical Idol artist. If she can build credibility as a singer-songwriter, she might break thru. There are not many female singer-songwriters around right now. She has a real shot if a few PDs decide to be advocates of her music or something else change the dynamic — getting a song in a movie or major TV show. I think she is a wildcard — a year from now. she could sell 500,000 or 100,000 albums — who knows, I don’t. But whatever she does it will not be 200,000 units sold in the first week.

    And for both Lee and Crystal, the financial bar is lower than for any previous 19R artists — because their albums where done on a small budget.

    Many Adam fans were frustrated by RCA slow, methodical approach to radio for Adam. We sat and watch other artist song race up the charts while FYE only got about 40 adds and then WWFM took 6 months to peak on radio. But the result was that WWFM outsold many songs with much more airplay and continues to sell.

    So no one knows how it will all play out, but one thing is certain, the game is not over for Lee and Crystal yet — and they both have over a year. That is a lifetime in the music business!

  125. I posted in the Lee concert thread but someone on twitter from Osaka
    said they bought Lee’s CD in Japan. Has there been an announcement of an international release of his album?

  126. Lee CD is available in Japan but it is the US import —

    Here is Amazon Japan listing… translated. Also available from other retailers.

    Product Details

    CD (2010/11/16)
    Number of Discs: 1
    Format: Import, from US
    Label: RCA
    ASIN: B003MC5CNS

    Only available as a Import CD, no digital release.

    ETA: Many US artists are sold in Japan without a separate Japanese release. The English language packaging is not an issue there.

  127. I’m putting this here because it has to do with radio, but it’s specifically Lee. Someone at Lee’s show tonight talked to the guy from WTMX who said that SS would be put into the rotation in December. That’d be a pretty big add for him and rather quickly for a song only in the 30s.

  128. We don’t even know if the fights were all that serious or if they just seemed that way. I mean a few weeks ago MTV was reporting about her label rep being giddy over her potential, along with the Vh1 people. Now all of a sudden that’s to be discounted?

    Are you discounting the part where Jim Cantiello wrote that the rep grinned through gritted teeth, when Crystal joked about Farmer’s Daughter being the first single? I would expect the rep to be giddy and every other synonym for supportive, since that’s his job, but that description didn’t make it seem that he was happy with the joke. And then just a few days later, the first single was changed.

    Crystal wanting more time is some big indication that her label thinks she’s a pain in the ass and more than with any other artist who argues with them. I also don’t think that wanting more time to do things is an indication that what she has in the can is not release-worthy. (Actually, in retrospect, it looks like she was right for different reasons. They should have waited until the spring. They would have had more time to market her that way… its not like she was going to get huge sales in

    I said that she could have used more time to be promoted, especially since she might have some issues getting airplay, and it looked like she was going to get that time, but as I remember, she didn’t find out about the December release date until one of her fans told her about it on twitter. Maybe Eriko can confirm, but I think her first response was that it wasn’t true, and then she tweeted that she was trying to change it. So, it looks like Jive initially agreed to the idea of a Spring release, and then after the tour, they suddenly changed their minds. Why put an even shorter deadline on Crystal, that would ensure that they wouldn’t be able to include a lot of songs that were written specifically for the album, and they wouldn’t have enough time to market her to radio before the album dropped.

    there is enough to go on to declare that view truth yet.

    Nobody declared anything to be a fact, just like nobody said that Crystals pre idol songs weren’t good enough to make the album.

  129. blockquote>have heard from more than one person who claims to have “inside info” that 19 was more than happy to see Crystal go, as she was such a royal pain in the ass for them to deal with. How accurate this “inside info” is I’m not sure, but if it is true, then 19 isn’t likely to give Gina any help with Crystal if she ever comes to them looking for advice or help with bookings or whatever — she’s going to be pretty much on her own.
    I think this is total BS. This is how unfounded rumors start and IMO is really pathetic. Provide a link to this “insider info” or it didn’t happen.

    As far as Crystal and Jive not getting along, another unfounded rumor. I doubt Jive would be paying Meiert Avis to direct and produce her Farmer’s Daughter video if they had given up on her. I’m sorry that Lee’s CD sales are disappointing but they have nothing to do with Crystal. She’s not dead yet!

  130. Are you discounting the part where Jim Cantiello wrote that the rep grinned through gritted teeth, when Crystal joked about Farmer’s Daughter being the first single?

    Que? If I remember correctly it said he was smiling (uncomfortably?) when she did made her Farmer’s Daughter comment, but it also said he was grinning and he was giddy about something and gushing about her potential.. something like that. I don’t remember anything about gritted teeth, because that would indicate anger.

    Anyway, my point is there was an indication a few weeks ago they loved her and now we have rampant speculation they hate her. Just like that. So the positive things her rep said were his job but her release date is the smoking gun? I’m arguing against the logic of drawing dramatic conclusions based on… not much, actually.

    Nobody declared anything to be a fact, just like nobody said that Crystals pre idol songs weren’t good enough to make the album.

    What you were arguing was that the fact they changed the release date was indicative of some kind of major beef between Crystal and her label, based partly on the idea that she wanted more time to write songs or develop a higher quality product. All I was saying was that more time would not be necessary for quality so that would not be some big deal breaking thing, especially if she already had good songs. If Jive liked what she submitted they would not necessarily have to hate her to move up the date. I’m also saying that disagreeing with one’s label is not unheard of, nor is bitching about those disagreement in one way or another. The fact that she argued with Jive is not enough to conclude they now hate her IMO.

    and they wouldn’t have enough time to market her to radio before the album dropped.

    Because they thought she’d get some Idol Christmas sales? Its worked that way for 8 years. LOL

    Look, I’m am not saying you are totally wrong and Crystal is the Best! Signee! Ever! I just don’t see enough to support the argument that they hate her. Yet. I mean, not having an adds date? ITS DECEMBER!! Also, when is the last time Jive gave anyone an adds date? They kinda suck like that lately.

  131. @crystalbowersox – What up, XRT? I’m stoppin in tomorrow to say hi to the good folks over at Chicago’s rock station! I’ve been a Listener for years :) about 1 hour ago via Twitter for Android

  132. Lots of speculation in this thread — supported by no facts.

    Why did Jive want Crystal’s album out in December 2010 and not in the Spring? Most likely it is about sales not some hypothetical argument between Crystal and Jive.

    Will 19E support Crystal even though they decided not to sign her to a 19M contract? Why wouldn’t they? It is good for Idol to have the high-profile alums do well. 19E gets royalties from her record sales. And other artist not managed by 19M have been given nice promo slots by 19E. For example, Archie was not signed by 19M and he was on Idol in 2009 and in 2010.

    Are you discounting the part where Jim Cantiello wrote that the rep grinned through gritted teeth, when Crystal joked about Farmer’s Daughter being the first single? I would expect the rep to be giddy and every other synonym for supportive, since that’s his job, but that description didn’t make it seem that he was happy with the joke. And then just a few days later, the first single was changed.

    I am discounting it. Because Crystal’s single is now “Farmer’s Daughter” which is what she was pushing for. If Jive wanted to release HO, they would have released HO.

    The switch was made after the tested both songs — more likely it had to do with the test results, not what Crystal wanted.

  133. The switch was made after the tested both songs — more likely it had to do with the test results, not what Crystal wanted.

    BINGO! :)

  134. Poor Jive being bullied by a farm girl :)

    If Crystal’s public remarks did trigger a negative response from her label, Jive would probably think of it not as bullying but as insubordination from somebody who as of yet has no credentials on which to base her certainty about what ought to be done!

    Whatever one thinks about Jive’s decisions or Crystal’s views, the fact remains that Jive is the power at this point and Crystal is not (because a new artist in the music biz *never* is), and I’ve noticed that the power seldom likes having its purported flaws pointed out in public. So who knows what actually happened, but I don’t see how it could possibly be surprising if it turns out that the suits really *did* get pissed off when a brand-new subordinate pointed out their purported flaws in a very public forum and roused some public support for doing so. I don’t know if they took some revenge on her for this, but the word “bully” doesn’t capture what Jive saw. The word “insubordination by a lackey” does.

  135. f Crystal’s public remarks did trigger a negative response from her label, Jive would probably think of it not as bullying but as insubordination

    I was joking. Just felt that some were feeling sorry for Jive , which I thought was kinda amusing

  136. Lots of speculation in this thread — supported by no facts.

    Which is what this is:

    I am discounting it. Because Crystal’s single is now “Farmer’s Daughter” which is what she was pushing for. If Jive wanted to release HO, they would have released HO.

    The switch was made after the tested both songs — more likely it had to do with the test results, not what Crystal wanted.

    This may have happened, but you don’t have any actual facts to back up the claim, or Jive could have realized that Crystal would not be able to sell a song, after she had let it be known on Twitter and at VH1 that this is not the song that she wanted.

    Maybe FD did test better, even though that is speculation, as is saying that Jive expected Crystal to sell 200K cds, but between the two songs, Farmer’s Daughter is the one that is tougher to promote to radio, and the one that’s harder to get people to listen to since it is from a new artist. That’s not just speculation, it’s a hypothesis based on years of listening to the radio, as well as the fact that we are two weeks away from the album being released, and so far the song only has two radio adds, and has been spun on fewer than six stations. But, maybe Jive isn’t going the radio route with Crystal, even if that is the case, Jive’s promotion of Crystal has been, I thin the words that Q3 used was low key, and IMO, doesn’t look like they are going in another direction to help her reach her audience.

    Will 19E support Crystal even though they decided not to sign her to a 19M contract? Why wouldn’t they? It is good for Idol to have the high-profile alums do well. 19E gets royalties from her record sales. And other artist not managed by 19M have been given nice promo slots by 19E. For example, Archie was not signed by 19M and he was on Idol in 2009 and in 2010.

    The question was, will 19 help Gina promote Crystal. Being on AI is obviously not the only type of promotion. I’m sure that they will have her on the show, but aside from that, what other assistance would 19 give Gina? Aside from having Archie on the show, which they have done with many alums who are not with 19M, what has 19 done to promote Archie?

  137. Because they thought she’d get some Idol Christmas sales? Its worked that way for 8 years. LOL

    Look, I’m am not saying you are totally wrong and Crystal is the Best! Signee! Ever! I just don’t see enough to support the argument that they hate her. Yet. I mean, not having an adds date? ITS DECEMBER!!

    So, getting the December sales is more important than taking their time with the album, which was the initial plan? Do you realize that before all of the grandstanding started taking place that this was the original point. You just summarized what Kirsten originally said, and what I’ve been saying. Christmas was always going to be in December, and since they could guess that Crystal’s idol base wasn’t going to be that big, why make the change?

    he was smiling (uncomfortably

    If the quote was that he was smiling uncomfortably, why do you think that he was doing that, right after his artist let everyone in the room know that HO wasn’t her choice for the first single?

    The fact that she argued with Jive is not enough to conclude they now hate her IMO.

    Nobody said that they hate her, so why do you keep posting that.

    Lee’s CD sales are disappointing but they have nothing to do with Crystal. She’s not dead yet!

    People can talk about Crystal without it having a thing to do with Lee, and vice versa. They both have their own problems that they have to deal with.

  138. Elliegrll:
    11/30/2010 at 9:48 am

    Lots of speculation in this thread — supported by no facts.

    Which is what this is:

    Yes, I was clearly speculating. That was the entire point. There are alternate explanations.

    But there are many posts in these thread that have no support at all. And some like this seem to be pulled out to the air:

    It was before the tour even started that Reps. from Sony said that they expected that Lee and Crystal’s numbers would be lower, and they specifically mentioned the voting totals, so they knew what to expect.

    What reps from Sony said this? I seriously doubt that this was ever said by any Sony rep — in public or private.

    And Idol never revealed the 2010 vote total. How would a Sony rep know what it was? Was it down 10% or 50%? And even if it was down, what does that mean about record sales. The vote total in AI5 was more than AI4 but Carrie had the record setting debut. Kris won AI8 but Adam has outsold him more than 2 to 1.

    And from what I recall reading, it looked like the release was scheduled for sometime next year, but then it was changed to December. That change doesn’t seem like something that would have happened, if Jive and Crystal were on the same page.

    Where does it even say the album was rescheduled?
    This is what Crystal said in August:

    “American Idol” season-nine champ Lee DeWyze may be ready to release his debut album this fall, but the same doesn’t hold true for runner-up Crystal Bowersox. The soulful singer recently revealed that she’s in no rush to release her debut album, even though her record label is pushing for it to come out before the end of 2010.

    The label’s saying in the fall [of 2010] and I’m telling them in the spring [of 2011] because I don’t want to rush something out just to hit Black Friday sales,” she said in an interview with 101.5 The River, a radio station located in her hometown of Toledo, Ohio.

    Link: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1646853/20100831/story.jhtml

  139. So, getting the December sales is more important than taking their time with the album, which was the initial plan? Do you realize that before all of the grandstanding started taking place that this was the original point.

    WTF “grandstanding”? What are you talking about? I’M JUST TALKING TO YOU.

    You just summarized what Kirsten originally said, and what I’ve been saying. Christmas was always going to be in December, and since they could guess that Crystal’s idol base wasn’t going to be that big, why make the change?

    Lord. What you seemed to be saying was that Jive and Crystal had an antagonistic relationship (and it was originally implied that because Crystal argued with them, they were throwing out her project with no support because she’s just so annoying that they don’t care). THAT is what I am arguing against… the idea that there is enough evidence to support that scenario.

    And maybe I just haven’t had enough coffee yet, but I am getting really annoyed that the idea that simply disagreeing with you turns into what feels to be a pretty hostile exchange.

    If the quote was that he was smiling uncomfortably, why do you think that he was doing that, right after his artist let everyone in the room know that HO wasn’t her choice for the first single?

    I don’t know what the quote was. All I said was that I don’t remember anything about clenched teeth.

    And I didn’t say he was overjoyed, just that he also said a lot of good things and expressed some excitement so there seemed to be some evidence countering the idea that crystal was being written off as an annoying brat.

  140. And I didn’t say he was overjoyed, just that he also said a lot of good things and expressed some excitement so there seemed to be some evidence countering the idea that crystal was being written off as an annoying brat.

    I think they can see her talent, and be annoyed that she would do something in public that makes her look unprofessional (or even like a brat).

    WTF “grandstanding”? What are you talking about? I’M JUST TALKING TO YOU.

    Actually, I wasn’t referring to you, I was referring to someone else who was speculating as much as anyone else, but didn’t want to make this a boards on boards thing, so I just should have left that part out. And I had no intention of sounding hostile, even though I hate being misquoted, especially with all of the Jive hates Crystal talk. I’ve never said that they hate Crystal, but I did say that her behavior may have caused them to change plans and move up the release date. It just seems odd that they let her sit out on working on the album while on tour, were fine with releasing the album next year, and then just changed their minds, even though that put them on a tight deadline, and is making it harder for them to promote Crystal before her album drops. It doesn’t mean that they hate her, and maybe the two decisions were made by two different people, with the one who decided to change the date outranking the one who was fine with a 2011 release.

  141. I think they can see her talent, and be annoyed that she would do something in public that makes her look unprofessional (or even like a brat).

    Yeah, sure they could. Or not. To me it can be read several ways, so I just don’t know.

    Actually, I wasn’t referring to you, I was referring to someone else who was speculating as much as anyone else, but didn’t want to make this a boards on boards thing, so I just should have left that part out. And I had no intention of sounding hostile, even though I hate being misquoted, especially with all of the Jive hates Crystal talk.

    Many apologies then. Forgive my crankiness. Friends? :D **brings Ellie flowers**

    The use of the word “hate” was not meant to be read as a direct quote. I just meant it as shorthand for “Jive regards Crystal with some disdain for her outspokenness and it is reflected in the choices they are making for her career”. Its just easier to type “hate”. LOL I’m Sorry if I misrepresented your words.

    maybe the two decisions were made by two different people, with the one who decided to change the date outranking the one who was fine with a 2011 release.

    Now that could be true. I hadn’t thought of that.

  142. What reps from Sony said this? I seriously doubt that this was ever said by any Sony rep — in public or private.

    Label sources caution that there may be less interest in both DeWyze and Bowersox by the general public, so their first-week sales may not approach the heights of the past few seasons’ top-two

    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i2e59e1d6eeda519047ccdd8e704887e8

    Scroll to the bottom of the page. Didn’t you link to this post yesterday, when you posted that Sony didn’t have any information that would tell them that the interest and these two was low, and then tried to link that to whether or not Jive would have signed Crystal if they had this information? Why wouldn’t this be a private or public discussion. Obviously they have to discus it in private, so that they know how to handle Lee and Crystal, and discussing it in public makes people aware of what these two are facing. The article was about the first two songs that Crystal and Lee released, but Sony obviously knew that interest in the two of them was lower than the interest in previous alums.

    And Idol never revealed the 2010 vote total. How would a Sony rep know what it was? Was it down 10% or 50%? And even if it was down, what does that mean about record sales. The vote total in AI5 was more than AI4 but Carrie had the record setting debut. Kris won AI8 but Adam has outsold him more than 2 to

    Couple of points: 1. Ryan released the vote totals during several shows over the course of the season, and many people noted that they were down sharply in relation to last season, and the season before.

    2. Do you actually think that Sony wouldn’t know the voting information, and see that interest for Lee and Crystal wasn’t as high as it was in previous years? It’s a business, and Sony would need to know this information, in order to see how they were going to go about marketing these two.

    3. What do individual voting totals have to do with a company seeing that both ratings and voting were down?

    But there are many posts in these thread that have no support at all. And some like this seem to be pulled out to the air:

    Including your posts. I haven’t presented anything as if it were anything more than my opinion, can you say the same?

    Where does it even say the album was rescheduled?
    This is what Crystal said in August:

    In the article that you posted, which only states what Crystal wanted, and was written before Crystal said that the album was coming out next year? Nowhere. But, in subsequent tweets Crystal said that it was coming out next year, and when a form informed her about the date on Amazon, she at first said it was wrong, and then after checking with Jive, she said that she was trying to get it changed.

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