Idol Sales News – Week Ending 10/18/09

Sales numbers for the Billboard Release Date 10/31/2009 after the jump.

Download Numbers
18 Carrie Underwood “Cowboy Casanova” 56, 723 (6%; lw 53, 687) Total: 286, 462 (22)
25 Kelly Clarkson “Already Gone” 46, 106 (-2%; lw 47, 040) Total: 526, 755 (26) **NOW GOLD**
43 Carrie Underwood “Mama’s Song” 31, 323 (NEW) Total: 31, 323 (NEW)
Jordin Sparks “Battlefield” 22K (-8%; lw 23K) Total: 1.071M
Daughtry “No Surprise” 14K (-13%; lw 16K) Total: 852K
Kris Allen “Live Like We’re Dying” 10K (-26%; lw 13K) Total: 63K
Kellie Pickler “Best Days of Your Life” 8K (4%; lw 8K) Total: 848K
195 Jordin Sparks “No Air” 7, 396 (114%; lw 3, 461) Total: 3, 009, 168 (OFF) **NOW 3XPLATINUM** (actually, last week, but we’ll celebrate it now)

Glee
28 Glee Cast “Keep Holding On” 43, 200 (127%; lw 19, 029) Total: 62, 229 (86)
34 Glee Cast “No Air” 36, 237 (86%; lw 19, 498) Total: 55, 735 (81)
38 Glee Cast “It’s My Life/Confessions Part II” 33, 387 (-55%; lw 74, 400) Total: 107, 787 (12)
48 Glee Cast “Halo/Walking on Sunshine” 29, 012 (-54%; lw 62, 511) Total: 91523 (15)
63 Glee Cast “Hate on Me” 22, 821 (NEW) Total: 22, 821 (NEW)
101 Glee Cast “You Keep Me Hangin’ On” 14, 877 (NEW) Total: 14, 877 (NEW)

Album Numbers
30 David Archuleta “Christmas From The Heart” 16, 776 (NEW) Total: 17K Digital 4K
Daughtry “Leave This Town” 11K (-6%) Total:698K Digital: 1K (0%) Digital Total: 127K
Kelly Clarkson “All I Ever Wanted” 6K (-7%) Total: 729K Digital: 1K (-11%) Digital Total: 157K
Kellie Pickler “Kellie Pickler” 3K (+14%) Total: 323K
Carrie Underwood “Carnival Ride” 3K (4%) Total: 2.977M
Carrie Underwood “Some Hearts” 2K (-8%) Total: 6.851M
Brooke White “Live Session” 2K (NEW) Total: 2K

Idol Related
Various “WOW Hits 2010” 14K (-2%) Total: 28K
Various “Now That’s What I Call Music! 31” 12K (-10%) Total: 725K
Various “Now That’s What I Call Country Vol. 2” 7K (-18%) Total: 127K
Soundtrack “Hannah Montana 3” 5K (-9%) Total: 468K
Various “Now That’s What I Call Club Hits” 5K (-20%) Total: 36L
Various “Now That’s What I Call Music! 30” 3K (-8%) Total: 709K

Rounded numbers from Brian at Idol Chatter.

Please post them as you find them.

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178 Comments

  1. Anticipating the questions.

    The early leaks of download numbers only includes songs in the Top 50 or showing strong gains in the Top 200. We will have to wait until Brian posts his numbers on Idol Chatter before we get all the Idol download numbers.

    Recurrent means songs that have been retired from the chart (either due to length or combination of length and falling ranking). Old songs/albums whatever are retired to give room for new songs. One exception is downloaded songs where songs as old as dirt can chart. Albums do not have that exception and old albums that see a surge in sales end up on the Catalogue chart.

    This chart does not include numbers for Adam. This was for sales up until Sunday.

  2. Airplay before recurrents are removed (increase in audience impressions)

    No. 15 – Kelly Clarkson (+4.8 million) – lw 22
    No. 24 – Carrie Underwood (+1.8 million) – lw 30
    No. 312 – Kris Allen (+0.9 million) – lw 421

    Streaming:
    No. 13 Already Gone – lw 10

  3. Kirsten, one more:

    — 195 SPARKS*JORDIN DUET WITH CHRIS NO AIR 7,396 114 3,461 3,009,168

    Now 3x platinum.

  4. Nobody bought David Archuleta’s xmas CD? (I don’t understand how this stuff works.)

  5. 43 Carrie Underwood ‘Mama’s Song’  31,323 (NEW) Total: 31,323 (NEW)

    Is this a full 7 day total?

  6. Is this a full 7 day total?

    yes, it was released last Tuesday so it’s for a full week of sales.

  7. Is this a full 7 day total?

    yes, it was released last Tuesday so it’s for a full week of sales

    Thanks. Is this a good start, average or not so good? I’m just trying to figured out what would be a good start for Adam’s new release. Opinions flucuate on what’s a good number and what’s an omg that sucks number.

  8. I think if you reach 100 000 for the first week that’d be a good number, but 70-80 000 would be good. I think LOL

  9. Kelly goes gold with Already Gone and Jordin goes 3x platinium with No Air, good week for them.
    It’s really great to see AG doing so well because it’s her third single of All I Ever Wanted, and it’s climbing the radio charts so it has still some strong weeks of sales ahead.

  10. No Air has been out for three years – I’m surprise it’s still so popular. I was never crazy about it, but I liked it when they performed it live on AI.

  11. Suzanne the album ones havent been released yet..

    hdd numbers predict about 16,200 for davids xmas album the first week.

  12. Thanks. Is this a good start, average or not so good? I’m just trying to figured out what would be a good start for Adam’s new release. Opinions flucuate on what’s a good number and what’s an omg that sucks number.

    I don’t think we can objectively tell what’s a good number and what’s not. I’d say a song that goes to #11 on itunes is doing really good, definitely not bad. And for what’s worth I don’t think Mama’s Song got that far, so Adam should sell more than that.
    What happens in Idoland is that his numbers will be compared to other’s first songs. Not only Kris but artists from other seasons. That’s when the “OMG!AWESOME!” and the “OH! SUCKS” happens.
    People were disappointed with Kris numbers because it was quite low for an idol and especialy an idol winner. If he was just some random new singer those numbers would have been great.
    Ultimately, Adam’s first week numbers will mostly show if he has a strong fanbase, which apparently he has. I guess in that sense is good, it speaks well for future support and album sales (at least in the beginning).

    Btw, Carrie’s Mama’s song isn’t probably the best way to compare. It’s not a single, just an album track. They’re releasing a different one every week till her album drops but there’s no promo around it (other than Itunes).
    I’d say those are good numbers for that song.

  13. Nobody bought David Archuleta’s xmas CD? (I don’t understand how this stuff works.)

    these were the numbers reported yesterday by hits daily double… waiting for the official billboard posting…. his estimate was 15-20k, as was bob dylan’s, so he exceeded it – cool. dylan sold a little over 1k more, with 10x the promo for his, so david’s sales against the legend’s were great… it’s off to a nice start…

    32 DAVID ARCHULETA JIVE/JLG 16,254

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

  14. Suzanne the album ones havent been released yet..

    Thx,

    No Air has been out for three years ‘“ I’m surprise it’s still so popular. I was never crazy about it, but I liked it when they performed it live on AI.

    It’s enjoying a resurgence because of the performance on Glee. I didn’t love it either, mostly b/c I think Chris Brown has a nasally weak voice, but a lot of people preferred to buy it this week over the Glee cover.

  15. Okay I am really confused about the new singles. Please help me out here.

    Has Kris’s single been released officially? If so, how is it selling, and why isn’t he on tv shows promoting it (or maybe he is and I missed it). It seems like the Idol winner’s first single this year dropped with a whimper, am I just getting the wrong impression?

    Allison’s single was prematurely leaked to itunes (I bought it) and was withdrawn and will be released at a later date? Is that right?

    And Adam, is “Want” (I bought it and like it) his first single, and was it also leaked and then withdrawn?

    It seems really crazy this year for some reason. Usually the Idol’s first singles are released with much fanfare and promotion. And they aren’t usually leaked like this first.

    P.S. I’m a huge Bob Dylan fan, but his Christmas cd is beyond embarrassing. It’s cringe inducing. My friend and I were hysterical listening to the snippets on Amazon last night. I normally have utmost respect for Dylan, but this project baffles me.

    It is really instructive though to go to Amazon and read the comments for the Dylan Christmas cd. Many die-hard fans are admitting how awful it is, but many are giving it 5 stars and spinning it to be wonderful. This shows how dishonest fans can be to themselves and not even know they are doing it. And believe me I have done it too, it can be really hard to admit that your favorite singer or celebrity has some flaws now and then.

  16. “Has Kris’s single been released officially? If so, how is it selling, and why isn’t he on tv shows promoting it (or maybe he is and I missed it).”

    Yes. Kris’s single was released like 2 1/2 weeks ago. Its not on any of the charts posting this morning so I’m assuming its not selling well.

    “And Adam, is ‘Wanting’  or whatever (I bought it and like it) his first single, and was it also leaked and then withdrawn?”

    We will have numbers for Adam’s Time For Miracles next week.

    Allison’s single hasn’t been re-released yet.

    I agree. All of these leaks are weird.

  17. Allison’s single hasn’t been re-released yet.

    I agree. All of these leaks are weird.

    The Allison thing makes no sense to me. Why release it then take it back?

  18. Still wondering —

    Has Kris been promoting his single on shows like Ellen, Leno, Regis & Kelly, etc.? If not, I’m surprised.

    And is the song “Want” going to be Adam’s first single? (I don’t think of TFM as his first single, it’s more like a bonus single imo).

  19. I didn’t love it either, mostly b/c I think Chris Brown has a nasally weak voice, but a lot of people preferred to buy it this week over the Glee cover.

    That’s cuz the dude who plays Finn has an even weaker voice heh. But actually, the Glee version sold 36K last week, so a lot of people bought it over the original. But Jordin and Chris’ version sold 7K, or 114% increase from the previous week, so a not too shabby bump. Also, No Air had already gone 3x platinum the week prior, before the help of Glee. That song does resonate with folks, it seems. How many Idol songs have gone 3x platinum? I’m guessing Before He Cheats, Since U Been Gone?

    Has Kris been promoting his single on shows like Ellen, Leno, Regis & Kelly, etc.? If not, I’m surprised.

    I think all that will come in November when the album drops. That’s what happened with the Davids last year.

    And is the song ‘Want’  going to be Adam’s first single? (I don’t think of TFM as his first single, it’s more like a bonus single imo).

    Adams actual first single is still TBA. I think Want was some rogue dude releasing Adam’s old stuff.

  20. Adam’s TFM is #1 on Amazon and just moved to #10 on Itunes (#9 Pop). He should have great numbers next week.

  21. Time for Miracles — just hit Top 10 (#10) on the iTunes US Chart!

    The other two “Adam-associated” tracks are also moving up the chart>

    “Want” his old demo back-up vocal track recording (WANT) is now at #471 and Adam’s NoBo (his recording of “the world’s worst song”) is now up to #601.

    ETA: They other tracks are still moving up #451 Want #561 NoBo — LOL!

  22. I don’t think we can objectively tell what’s a good number and what’s not. I’d say a song that goes to #11 on itunes is doing really good, definitely not bad. And for what’s worth I don’t think Mama’s Song got that far, so Adam should sell more than that.

    Considering that Carrie’s single was out for a week, and Adam’s has only been out for a little over a day, does this actually make sense?

  23. And is the song ‘Want’  going to be Adam’s first single? (I don’t think of TFM as his first single, it’s more like a bonus single imo).

    NOOOO! Want is a demo track that ADam did a while ago and a record company HiFi has been trying to sell it for months. ADam does not want peeps to buy it cause these slimballs duped him out of a demo track to sell as a single. IT is NOT an RCA release.

  24. No, “Want” is not Adam’s first single. It’s only an old demo that he recorded as an artist for hire. “Want” has nothing to do with Adam’s RCA debut record.

  25. Has Kris been promoting his single on shows like Ellen, Leno, Regis & Kelly, etc.? If not, I’m surprised.

    Oceana, Kris has been very busy working on his album. He had a deadline to meet. However, he tweeted this recently…

    KrisAllen4Real: You guys know what I miss’ ¦..the show Doug. So good. Oh btw’ ¦’ ¦..done with the album!
    about 6 hours ago from Echofon

    So now the promoting will commence.

  26. Kristan, is there a source for the internation digital sales units? Will we ever know how many units of TfM sold in Finland, Netherlands, etc?

  27. Considering that Carrie’s single was out for a week, and Adam’s has only been out for a little over a day, does this actually make sense?

    leome put it best:

    Btw, Carrie’s Mama’s song isn’t probably the best way to compare. It’s not a single, just an album track. They’re releasing a different one every week till her album drops but there’s no promo around it (other than Itunes).
    I’d say those are good numbers for that song.

  28. Okay, okay, don’t yell at me :)

    Thanks for explaining about Want. Well I bought it unknowingly but I really do like it. A lot. Love that it’s so understated and was very surprised at that. I should have known that an Idol single will not be that lacking in bells and whistles right out of the gate :)

  29. This is interesting.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS134642+21-Oct-2009+BW20091021

    Retuers: Susan Boyle`s `I Dreamed a Dream` is Amazon.com Music`s Largest CD Pre-Order

    Here`s a list of the Top 10 CD pre-orders of all time in the Amazon.com Music Store:

    1. Susan Boyle, “I Dreamed a Dream” (2009)
    2. Norah Jones, “Not Too Late” (2007)
    3. U2, “No Line on the Horizon” (2009)
    4. Bruce Springsteen, “Magic” (2007)
    5. Dixie Chicks, “Taking the Long Way” (2006)
    6. Coldplay, “Viva La Vida” (2008)
    7. U2, “How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb” (2004)
    8. David Cook, “David Cook” (2008)
    9. Diana Krall, “Quiet Nights” (2009)
    10. Clay Aiken, “A Thousand Different Ways” (2006)

  30. Many die-hard fans are admitting how awful it is, but many are giving it 5 stars and spinning it to be wonderful. This shows how dishonest fans can be to themselves and not even know they are doing it. And believe me I have done it too, it can be really hard to admit that your favorite singer or celebrity has some flaws now and then.

    Thanks for psychoanalyzying Bob Dylan fans.

  31. 25 Kelly Clarkson ‘Already Gone’  46,106 (-2%; lw 47,040) Total: 526,755 (26) **NOW GOLD**

    Go Kelly :)

    I love that song, controversy or not. I like it a zillion times better than Halo, lol.

  32. Retuers: Susan Boyle`s `I Dreamed a Dream` is Amazon.com Music`s Largest CD Pre-Order

    I really can’t imagine anyone buying it on itunes so that’s good she is doing well on Amazon which may be her only source besides physical CD’s.

  33. Has Kris been promoting his single on shows like Ellen, Leno, Regis & Kelly, etc.? If not, I’m surprised.

    You should not be surprised. The label does not waste tv appearances on a single. That’s what radio interviews are for. They save the tv appearances for closer to the CD drop date.

    Retuers: Susan Boyle`s `I Dreamed a Dream` is Amazon.com Music`s Largest CD Pre-Order

    This still perplexes me. Probably because I have a cold, black heart and it seems that so many of comments around her seem based on her heart-string-tugging back-story. I just cannot figure out how so many people want this CD, especially with its lame track list. Obviously, I am out of touch with the rest of the country LOL.

  34. Retuers: Susan Boyle`s `I Dreamed a Dream` is Amazon.com Music`s Largest CD Pre-Order

    Susan has a chance to outsell Adam, Rhianna, 50 cents, etc. the week of November 23rd. There’s obviously a market for her type of music. Wow. lol

  35. Thanks for psychoanalyzying Bob Dylan fans.

    1. I’m a lifelong Bob Dylan fan.
    2. I was making a comment about fans in general, not just Dylan fans.

    p.s. have you listened to the Christmas cd yet? It’s shockingly bad, and I love everything Dylan does. We can all wear rose-colored glasses sometimes when we love someone, however it surprised me to read the comments for the cd.

  36. Kirsten, question for you. Obviously Adam’s download numbers for TFM for this current week are going to be great. But if TFM doesn’t get much radio airplay, will the download numbers be strong enough to get the song on the Billboard Top 100?

    And do we know what the radio add day is for TFM?

  37. Retuers: Susan Boyle`s `I Dreamed a Dream` is Amazon.com Music`s Largest CD Pre-Order

    Susan has a chance to outsell Adam, Rhianna, 50 cents, etc. the week of November 23rd. There’s obviously a market for her type of music. Wow. lol

    Chance? She is so going to. I’ve been saying for a while I expected her to be number one that week. That Buble guy also went number one last week, yes? There definitely a market for that kind music.

  38. I just cannot figure out how so many people want this CD, especially with its lame track list.

    I think it boils down to the fact that this is a huge country with many demographics. There’s fans for everyone from Barry Manilow and Clay Aiken to Kanye West and Eminem. Something for everyone I guess. I don’t see how people can buy rap music either, but they do. lol.

    I wonder if Europe has a market for schmaltzy music like Clay and Barry and Liberace, or is it only the U.S.?

  39. I wonder if Europe has a market for schmaltzy music like Clay and Barry and Liberace, or is it only the U.S.?

    Yes, Europe has market for all kinds of music.

  40. alaadam

    Retuers: Susan Boyle`s `I Dreamed a Dream` is Amazon.com Music`s Largest CD Pre-Order

    I really can’t imagine anyone buying it on itunes so that’s good she is doing well on Amazon which may be her only source besides physical CD’s.

    No SuBo will be huge —

    Pretty sure bet for #1 w/o 11/24/09 — and won’t be a surprise. I am just hoping that Adam can be in the Top 10. That would be amazing.

  41. That Buble guy also went number one last week, yes?

    And this week. He held of the “Twilight” Soundtrack that was released on Friday.

    SOUNDSCAN (WEEK ENDING 10/18/09)

    1) Michael Buble ‘“ Crazy Love ‘“ 203,429 (After 2 weeks ‘“ 334,969)
    2) New Moon Soundtrack ‘“ 115,308
    3) Jay-Z ‘“ Blueprint 3 ‘“ 54,883 (After 6 weeks ‘“ 1,116,475)

    Other Debuts
    8 ) The Flaming Lips ‘“ Embryonic ‘“ 31,778
    9) Mario ‘“ D.N.A. ‘“ 31,581
    23) Bob Dylan ‘“ Christmas In The Heart ‘“ 20,354
    29) Dead By Sunrise ‘“ Out Of Ashes ‘“ 17,363
    30) David Archuleta ‘“ Christmas From The Heart ‘“ 16, 776
    34) Five For Fighting ‘“ Slice ‘“ 15, 283

  42. The label does not waste tv appearances on a single. That’s what radio interviews are for. They save the tv appearances for closer to the CD drop date.

    Interesting. I never noticed before the lag time between the single drop and the tv promotion, and I’ve followed a few Idols, but my memory is probably faulty.

    Yes, Europe has market for all kinds of music.

    Thanks. That’s nice to know.

  43. Has Kris been promoting his single on shows like Ellen, Leno, Regis & Kelly, etc.? If not, I’m surprised.

    Although Kris hasn’t been doing TV promo, he has been doing a LOT radio interviews and LLWD is getting lots adds and spin last week. Jiva is doing their thing and the radio campaign is working. LLWD was around #130-ish last week and go up to #120-ish this week. Given its sales in the week before last was around 13,000, I think last week’s sale is around 18,000, this week probably will be 25,000. Merely my guess.

  44. Kirsten, question for you. Obviously Adam’s download numbers for TFM for this current week are going to be great. But if TFM doesn’t get much radio airplay, will the download numbers be strong enough to get the song on the Billboard Top 100?

    Yes. TfM will have no problem being in the BB Hot 100.

  45. I want to expand on the caution about comparing Adam’s Time for Miracles numbers to Carrie’s Mama’s Song. She is doing a release strategy that I think Taylor Swift did, releasing one song a week until her album drops. Her single, Cowboy Casanova, did quite well; I defer to someone else to recall its peak. I think it hit #2 or #3 on iTunes at some point. Mama’s Song was next, and I don’t know its peak, but it is selling respectably under the circumstances. Now there is another song out, Temporary Home, which will chart next week. It was #21 on iTunes the last I checked, and climbing. With three songs out there now, her songs would tend to cannibalize each other a bit.

    As to SuBo, I wouldn’t count out sales on iTunes. It is not all teens and tweens downloading there.

  46. Pretty sure bet for #1 w/o 11/24/09 ‘” and won’t be a surprise. I am just hoping that Adam can be in the Top 10. That would be amazing

    me too!

  47. Retuers: Susan Boyle`s `I Dreamed a Dream` is Amazon.com Music`s Largest CD Pre-Order

    BAFFLES my mind. WTF?

    But if TFM doesn’t get much radio airplay, will the download numbers be strong enough to get the song on the Billboard Top 100?

    I think it will. If you think about the week after the S7 and S8 finales, tons of Idol singles made it on Billboard’s Hot 100 with just iTunes downloads (in some cases, only for 3 days) and no radio play. I don’t know what the lower bound is, but if we estimate that TFM sells over 50K (which it will), that should make it to Hot 100. Does anyone know what Kris’ Hot 100 debut was for LLWD?

  48. Although Kris hasn’t been doing TV promo, he has been doing a LOT radio interviews and LLWD is getting lots adds and spin last week.

    Good, glad to hear it. I look forward to hearing him (and Adam and Allison) perform their singles on tv. November and December should be fun months, with the Idol drops, and the Carrie special.

    As to SuBo, I wouldn’t count out sales on iTunes. It is not all teens and tweens downloading there.

    That’s the durn truth, you spring chickens take note! LOL (I’m feeling old today)

  49. p.s. have you listened to the Christmas cd yet?

    Yes, I have. All the way through. Several times. Have you?

    I think it’s deligtful. Mr. Dylan doesn’t have much of a any voice left, but he is a terrific bandleader and these songs are no exception, each one capturing a Curriier and Ives feel straight out of the 40s and 50s. It’s hard not to smile at his interpretation, for example, of a Christmas carol polka, complete with accordians. You can practically see the Polish Club dancers. The glee-club style choirs in varsity letter sweaters singing with Bob Dylan phrasing are a nice creative touch throughout the album.

    It has a different appeal than, for example, Little Archie’s sophmore album, which is free of creative content and so cloyingly sweet that it makes my fillings hurt.

  50. Jiva is doing their thing and the radio campaign is working.

    BeckyMD, not that this is really important or anything, but I’ve noticed for days now that you’ve been calling Jive “Jiva”. Just a heads up ;). No biggie. I make typos a lot, but I just thought you might want to know. I mean, maybe it’s intentional. Jiva sounds kinda cool– and so does pyschoanalyzying. I dig that. New word, heh.

  51. I’m happy for Kelly because I really love “Already Gone.” It’s funny because, after the Halo controversy, all I could think when I heard it was, “Wow. Beyonce is no match, vocally, to Kelly Clarkson.”

  52. No. 312 ‘“ Kris Allen (+0.9 million) ‘“ lw 421

    Can someone explain these numbers? What were they last week?

  53. Carrie’s Cowboy Casanova sold over a 110,000 its first week so if you want to try and gauge comparisons to what Adam might sell that might be a better one to do it with since that’s an actual single and it was pretty anticipated. IIRC she got to #6 or #7 on iTunes that Tuesday it was released late in the evening and by the next day it shot to #3.

  54. No Air has been out for three years ‘“ I’m surprise it’s still so popular. I was never crazy about it, but I liked it when they performed it live on AI.

    There are probably radio stations still playing the heck out of it. I don’t know for sure, but I do know that that’s happening with Elliott’s Wait for You. He can’t get a new song played for love or money (and they are *good*), but Wait for You just keeps spinning and selling away, now closing in on three years after the fact as well.

    It seems that radio, in general, is ultra conservative…and when they find something that works they cling to it and cling to it, refusing to let go and try something else that, gasp, may not be as popular (or be more popular, but they’re scared to find out!)! So some things just go on selling and selling as they turn into earworms for more and more people.

  55. Time For Miracles hasn’t peaked yet. I don’t expect it to peak before tonight or tomorrow. Keep in mind with i-Tunes rankings that they are not 7 day rankings. No one knows exactly what window of time they cover but it’s probably 2-3 days.

    I’d guess TFM will need to be in the top 10 the rest of the week to sell 100k downloads.

    But if TFM doesn’t get much radio airplay, will the download numbers be strong enough to get the song on the Billboard Top 100?

    TFM would probably only need 23-25k downloads to get on the Hot 100. It’ll get that easy. Last week Mariah had a song called Betcha Gon Know sell 22.4k downloads and it was #1 on the Bubbling Under chart. I don’t think it had any airplay but idk.

    Trina: Cowboy Casanova actually peaked at #2 on Thursday and stayed there until it dropped off Saturday/Sunday. It’s more comparable in some ways but there’s still big differences: when it came out on i-Tunes Cowboy Casanova had a lot more airplay but no video or TV promotion, TFM has more hype, a video, and TV promotion, country fans aren’t as big on digital sales, and Adam’s online fanbase is bigger than Carrie’s.

  56. And do we know what the radio add day is for TFM?

    Yeah, there is no info about this at all, is there? Or even if they plan to do it and how, like what kind of promotion they are going to try and give it.

  57. p.s. have you listened to the Christmas cd yet? It’s shockingly bad, and I love everything Dylan does. We can all wear rose-colored glasses sometimes when we love someone, however it surprised me to read the comments for the cd.

    Amen. I love love love love love Dylan the crazy-ass brilliant poet, the social commentator, the cranky passionate guy who writes songs that I kind of understand but not really and on which his croaking speaks to me of meanings on some crazy level way below/beyond my reason! As a standard-Christmas-carol-singer… not so much!

    Archie, on the other hand, is a *great* Christmas song singer!

  58. all I could think when I heard it was, ‘Wow. Beyonce is no match, vocally, to Kelly Clarkson.’ 

    Kelly’s really an amazing singer isn’t she? *heart*

    hwc, I meant no offense, and I have no problem with Dylan’s aging voice, I love many of his recent songs, but I didn’t “get” the Christmas cd. It was so incongruent, the shocking clash between his voice and the background singing, the arrangements made no sense to me. I guess I didn’t get the humor, and isn’t it odd to put out a Christmas cd for charity and make it a joke? I don’t know if it was meant to be funny. Seemed unintentionally funny to me. I’m surprised it sold 20,000, but after all, it is Dylan.

    I haven’t heard the full songs because I haven’t bought the cd and don’t plan to. I might buy a song or two on itunes just for curiosity.

    Sometimes when we have to listen to something over and over in order to like it, not that you did that but others said they did, it almost seems like self-hypnosis.

    Analyzing is something I’m often guilty of because I just like to analyze.

    Lucy, me too, Dylan is a hero to me, just an absolute hero. The best.

    Archie, on the other hand, is a *great* Christmas song singer!

    I was impressed favorably by the snippets. I might buy Ave Maria, one of my favorite songs. Some of the more secular songs are too slow for me, and I’m not into the more religious songs, but he does a good job on those, from what I heard, very reverential and he has a good voice.

  59. I’m not sure that it is fair to compare Adam’s single to Carrie’s since she is an established artist and he isn’t.

  60. Good point tinafea, it would be more equitable to compare Carrie’s first single off her first cd after she won Idol, than to compare a single off her third cd when she is a huge superstar already.

  61. BeckyMD, not that this is really important or anything, but I’ve noticed for days now that you’ve been calling Jive ‘Jiva’ . Just a heads up ;)

    Didn’t notice that until you pointed it out. Thanks :)

  62. all I could think when I heard it was, ‘Wow. Beyonce is no match, vocally, to Kelly Clarkson.’ 

    Kelly’s really an amazing singer isn’t she? *heart*

    I was never a fan of Beyonce’s voice, but her performances and songs do entertain me. To judge on voice alone she isn’t that great, in my opinion.

  63. p.s. have you listened to the Christmas cd yet? It’s shockingly bad, and I love everything Dylan does.

    Yes, it’s so shockingly bad that it’s delightful. I gotta believe that Mr. Zimmerman is well aware of just how, er, eccentric the whole “project” is and how it’s bound to be received.

    I actually think it’s the perfect gift for black-hearted folks who hate Xmas and/or Xmas music, because there’s a Santa’s sack-sized helping of lulz in there. And laughter, especially in today’s economic climate, is one of the best presents you could give someone.

  64. Good point tinafea, it would be more equitable to compare Carrie’s first single off her first cd after she won Idol, than to compare a single off her third cd when she is a huge superstar already.

    Except that i-Tunes was a very small part of the market in 2005 when Carrie’s 1st CD came out. It really makes no sense comparing sales for Adam, who’s a pop-rock guy and Carrie, who’s a country girl. Digital activity for country acts is much lower than in the pop and urban formats.

    The best comparison would actually be the sales on i-Tunes the last time Adam had anything out there, which would be the week after the AI finale. How fast did Mad World move? At least we’re talking the same artist and fanbase there.

  65. I remember hearing Beyonce sing a french song, and I was impressed. She’s a pretty good singer, better than many of today’s pop stars that’s for sure. But Kelly is stupendous when it comes to vocals.

    For Dylan, I would have loved some original Christmas songs from him. Or at least arrangements that are in keeping with his style and voice. The background singing was mostly corny and old fashioned. I think Dylan deserves better arrangements, but of course this was what he wanted to do and he did it. He pretty much does what he wants, lol. I’ll try another listen just to be fair but …

    Every year I look for new Christmas songs and always find some good ones, I really don’t get what Bob was doing this time around, but he’s still my hero anyway.

    I shouldn’t have said that fans were “dishonest”, that was harsh, “rose-colored glasses” sounds kinder. Keeping in mind that I include myself among the entity known as “fans”.

  66. The best comparison would actually be the sales on i-Tunes the last time Adam had anything out there, which would be the week after the AI finale. How fast did Mad World move? At least we’re talking the same artist and fanbase there.

    This will be very interesting to see next week when the numbers come out. And if we do the same with Kris’ finale week and his album single, would the conclusion then be that most of his fanbase has fled?

  67. I remember hearing Beyonce sing a french song, and I was impressed. She’s a pretty good singer, better than many of today’s pop stars that’s for sure. But Kelly is stupendous when it comes to vocals.

    Funny you say that, the tone of Beyonce’s voice would sound good singer a French song… Sometimes she reminds me of Eartha Kitt.

  68. And if we do the same with Kris’ finale week and his album single, would the conclusion then be that most of his fanbase has fled?

    That wouldn’t be my conclusion. I was suggesting the comparison for the sake of guesstimating the week’s sales based on a previous buying pattern for the same artist not for the sake of assessing the current size of an artist’s fanbase. In Kris’s case, there was a big gap in promotion and awareness between the 2 releases. That gap isn’t anywhere near as significant in Adam’s case thanks to Details and the TFM video release so I think Adam has a better chance of approximating his Mad World numbers.

    But I also think Adam’s numbers could have been even better if this week’s release were his actual intended for radio single.

  69. I don’t know that Carrie has any less of an internet fanbase, just because they are not on here. I think her fans are now long since on her own site.

    Yes, Carrie is established and in a different genre, so there will be differences. Someone downthread was trying to discern how good Glambert’s sales were by comparing them to Mama’s Song, which I felt the need to respond to since the situation is completely different. If you are going to compare, compare to her single, not an album single released in competition with 2 other of her own songs.

    The one point where the comparison might be valid is that Glambert has been sold in some quarters (including several magazines and blogs, not just by his fans here) as the most amazing artist ever, who will take over the world musically. Perhaps corrections for the economy are in order, but since the comparisons of his greatness cross all genres and levels of experience, then the comparisons on sales should be fair game, too. I realize not all his fans have this view, so they can fairly view him as another top Idol alumn whose sales should be compared more accurately to people in his genre (which is what?) and level of experience.

    With the big claims should come big expectations.

  70. The best comparison would actually be the sales on i-Tunes the last time Adam had anything out there, which would be the week after the AI finale. How fast did Mad World move? At least we’re talking the same artist and fanbase there.

    Hmm, don’t know about that. It’s a time-honored tradition to compare sales of the various Idol artists, while of course keeping in mind the variables. I don’t see the reasoning behind your idea of comparing the first single to the finale week songs, maybe you could explain it more. That’s a new one to me.

    Someone downthread was trying to discern how good Glambert’s sales were by comparing them to Mama’s Song, which I felt the need to respond to since the situation is completely different. If you are going to compare, compare to her single, not an album single released in competition with 2 other of her own songs.

    Yes and that was a good point you made, if they’re going to compare Adam’s first single to Carrie’s 3rd-cd single, at least use the right single off that cd, the first single that was most promoted.

    And then the later point was added that she’s an established superstar on her third cd, another good point.

    Comparisons are hard in general because of the variables. Yet they have their value I think.

  71. Can someone explain these numbers? What were they last week?

    The leaker only posts the incrementals so we don’t know what the BDS numbers for Kris’s song were last week. His song was 421 last week on the total airplay chart before recurrents were removed.

  72. How fast did Mad World move? At least we’re talking the same artist and fanbase there.

    “Mad World” comparisons have a lot of variables. iTunes had been selling that song for a while and it magically appeared in the top 10 when they stopped blocking the Idol songs from the charts (i.e. it was already there). So, we didn’t get to see how fast it vaulted up the charts. Plus, it wasn’t a new song so presumably, some had purchased it before.

  73. Sma11ie

    LLWD debuted at #89 on the Billboard Top 100 2 weeks ago, but fell off the chart last week. I’m hoping it will have moved back on there this week, what with the added radio spins, but it hasn’t moved much on the iTunes charts (currently #126 overall, #45 on pop chart), so the sales might not be strong enough to put it back on the Top 100, even with the additional radio spins

    Kirsten, what do you think. Any prediction on whether LLWD will be in the Top 100 this week?

  74. as the most amazing artist ever, who will take over the world musically.

    I feel sorry for Adam if that’s the expectation, no way to live up to that.

    It might sound silly but Clay’s fans thought he was going to revolutionize music, and Talor’s fans thought the same thing. I think Idol gets people so worked up, and I’ve certainly experienced the frenzy myself.

    Adam has strong buzz, and expectations should be high, but not impossibly so. Some realism now and then is a good thing.

  75. It’s a time-honored tradition to compare sales of the various Idol artists, while of course keeping in mind the variables. I don’t see the reasoning behind your idea of comparing the first single to the finale week songs, maybe you could explain it more. That’s a new one to me.

    oceana: I already somewhat did in a reply to somebody else but I’ll elaborate.

    I was under the impression people were trying to gauge how good TFM’s sales were going to be which I assumed was a question of how to predict how many copies TFM would sell. The peak ranking on i-Tunes of Mama’s Song and Cowboy Casanova were brought up which led me to think people were trying to figure out what a peak ranking of #13 or #10 or #2 might mean in terms of real numbers.

    Since I thought we were asking a question about real numbers, I made the point that different buying patterns apply for different fanbases in different genres. Therefore it makes the most sense to look back at the buying pattern for Adam’s previous release which I believe was Mad World. Kirsten is right though about the fact that technically that wasn’t Mad World’s 1st week at i-Tunes – that’s another variable.

    But at least by sticking to one artist’s fanbase you can get a sense of whether his or her sales are frontloaded or if they tend to stay steady all week. This is important because like I mentioned i-Tunes rankings are not 7 day rankings but rankings for the last 2-3 days of sales. So it’s not just TFM’s peak ranking at i-Tunes that will matter – it’s where he is all week. That’s why I said I thought TFM would need to be top 10 on i-Tunes all week in order to sell 100k.

    With the video premiering online today I think that will be an exposure/sales driver for TFM that will help it to stay in the top 10 after it peaks later this week.

    Also however “time honored” a tradition it might be to compare AIers I’ve never bought into it as a practice that puts their sales in the right perspective.

  76. Also however ‘time honored’  a tradition it might be to compare AIers I’ve never bought into it as a practice that puts their sales in the right perspective.

    I was being tongue-in-cheek with the “time-honored tradition” phrase, but to my regret it didn’t come through on the screen that way. Since Idol’s only been around 8 years, and is not really as important in the larger scheme of things as it likes to think it is, I was being facetious there.

    The rest of your explanation went over my head as I am clearly not in your league when it comes to analyzing sales, thanks for explaining even if I didn’t understand. I’ll leave that to you and Kristen, before I sound any more foolish, lol.

  77. as the most amazing artist ever, who will take over the world musically.

    Well, some people certainly have said this. Far from all, though.

    And being some kind of world-changing phenomenon — even if people expect Adam to be that, which I, personally, do not — doesn’t necessarily translate into being the top seller. … For example, look at Buble taking over the world with his recent sales, and the expectation that Susan Boyle will do so when her album is released. The reason for their big sales is precisely that they are *not* standing the world on its head.

    Often, the most conservative, middle-of-the-road approach is the one that sells biggest.

    I would even say that this is borne out by the current Itunes Top 9 — they’re all songs that fit pretty precisely within the current formats that radio plays a lot, and anything that doesn’t fit precisely into that format (i.e., that rocks the boat) doesn’t sell nearly as well.

    So even if somebody does argue that Adam is super-special and world-changing in some way shouldn’t rightly expect that to me that he’d be the biggest seller.

  78. Kirsten, what do you think. Any prediction on whether LLWD will be in the Top 100 this week?

    I’d say, “No”. We didn’t really see his numbers start rising until the start of this week, so his actual download numbers will likely be lower and his AI hasn’t gone high enough.

    I think he can make the Hot 100 again, though. He’s 39th on HAC and 50 on Top 40, so he’s clawing his way up airplay and that should help sales.

  79. I was never a fan of Beyonce’s voice, but her performances and songs do entertain me. To judge on voice alone she isn’t that great, in my opinion.

    YES!! My sentiments exactly! Finally someone who agrees with me. lol

  80. With the big claims should come big expectations.

    Yep, I agree. Just as with the big WIN for Kris, I would expect him to do better than the 2nd place finisher. It’s all in expectations.

    ETA: I don’t really care about comparing these two, but I’m trying to be realistic. The critics/reviewers/social media can say whatever they want about Adam. He is amazingly talented, I agree with them about that. But, I’ll liken that to reviews of movies. Some of the best critically-reviewed movies, best acted, etc. are not often the most popular or the biggest sellers. Adam can get all the promotion from the media in the world, raves about his talent, but popular opinion still holds, just like it does at the box office. Adam’s getting a ton of promotion now, but he got that during American Idol and it didn’t help him win. At the end of the day, America chose Kris as the person they wanted to have the title. That made him the most popular to the public and the idol fanbases and therefore, my sales expectations for him are higher than for Adams.

  81. I am the first to say that some of the best artists for MY taste have not been the greatest sellers, and I hate (musically) many of today’s top sellers. However, those recognized by the most people for their artistry or iconic status, such as an Elvis, Beatles, or Michael Jackson, all had sales to go with it. Most who’ve had a big impact had sales, too.
    These are the very artists to whom a lot of people on the internet have compared Glambert. This may not be the majority opinion among his fans, but the tenor and amount of posts would suggest more feel this way than not. So again, with the claims come the expectations. Those who do not have those expectations and publicize them probably can ignore the comparisons.

  82. this is my first time to post here and i want to comment on kris single sales , i don’t think his song is going to be a hit although iam a big kris fan and i like the song but it hasn’t been able to pick up sales although it a has gained spins also , i feel like the cover thing is hurting its sales ,i really want jive to release aonother song for kris , a song that he has wrote or co wrriten since all his fans see him as singer songwriter

  83. this is my first time to post here and i want to comment on kris single sales , i don’t think his song is going to be a hit although iam a big kris fan and i like the song but it hasn’t been able to pick up sales although it a has gained spins also , i feel like the cover thing is hurting its sales ,i really want jive to release aonother song for kris , a song that he has wrote or co wrriten since all his fans see him as singer songwriter

  84. Kris’s numbers are up from Idol Chatter

    Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (10,000, -26 percent, 63,000) Oh no, not good.

  85. Carrie Underwood, Cowboy Casanova (57,000, +6 percent, 286,000 total)
    Kelly Clarkson, Already Gone (46,000, -2 percent, 527,000)
    Glee Cast, No Air (Glee Cast Version) (36,000, +86 percent, 56,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Mama’s Song (31,000, debut, 31,000)
    Jordin Sparks, Battlefield [Main Version] (22,000, -8 percent, 1.071 million)
    Daughtry, No Surprise (14,000, -13 percent, 852,000)
    Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (10,000, -26 percent, 63,000)
    Kellie Pickler, Best Days of Your Life (8,000, +4 percent, 848,000)

  86. ‘Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (10,000, -26 percent, 63,000)’ 

    Hmmm….. I wonder why this song isn’t selling better. Jive might need to release a new single soon if this doesn’t pick up. I’m sure the Itunes pass will help Kris’s first week album sales since a lot of people bought it up right after the AI finale. .

  87. Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (10,000, -26 percent, 63,000) Oh no, not good.

    He sold 10,000 last week? Didn’t he have increased spins? I saw on IDF where LLWD had fallen out of the top 200. Is this true?

  88. He sold 10,000 last week? Didn’t he have increased spins?

    I think so. I’m not tracking it hard though. Do we know what is AI was like last week, and what the sales range was for songs with a similar amount of exposure? Did he get any adds this week?

    I agree that a drop that big is not a good sign.

  89. Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (10,000, -26 percent, 63,000)

    I’m surprised. My impression is his average position in itune chart was higher last week than the week before.

    LLWD is def picking up in itune chart this week, so its sales number will be better next week.

  90. However, those recognized by the most people for their artistry or iconic status, such as an Elvis, Beatles, or Michael Jackson, all had sales to go with it. Most who’ve had a big impact had sales, too.
    These are the very artists to whom a lot of people on the internet have compared Glambert. This may not be the majority opinion among his fans, but the tenor and amount of posts would suggest more feel this way than not. So again, with the claims come the expectations. Those who do not have those expectations and publicize them probably can ignore the comparisons.

    Speaking as an Adam fan (NOT a Glambert), I have never voiced any huge sales expectations. And while I have never stated it before, I do believe that Adam has the potential to become iconic like those you listed. Not because his musical sensibilities at this stage are anything special, but because he has a great voice and even more important an incredible charisma. If he finds the right music and the right artists and management to work with, the combination could make him huge. Probably not as big as Elvis, The Beatles or MJ because of the way the musical landscape has changed to give people many more choices than they used to have, but definitely a huge seller and world recognized icon.

    Will this happen? Who knows. Even if it does, it likely won’t be with his first album. It’s more about belief in his potential because of his personality than anything else. Will TfM become a huge hit? Highly unlikely because it isn’t the right kind of song. I’m actually expecting it to peak on itunes very soon and start sliding down the chart with another possible pop the week that TII comes out. However the promotion of it is getting his name and image out there for more people to see. I sincerely hope they don’t release this song for radio play because I think they should release something with a dance vibe for his first radio single as that has a better chance for longer term success, keeping his name out there while he works on finding the right musical sound.

  91. Maybe LLWD is just one of those songs that is destined to do well on the radio without becoming a big seller. That wouldn’t be unprecedented. But it does seem a little weird that the sales haven’t picked up despite it doing relatively well on the radio. It would be nicce if one of the stations in Los Angeles would play it, though. You’d think Jive/19 would want the single to be heard on the 2nd biggest market in the country…104.3 FM plays every other Idol song known to mankind, so I don’t get why they aren’t playing LLWD.

    I still say the promotion of the single hasn’t been handled as well as it could have been, especially when it was first released. But Jive has done a better job in that area lately. And Kris’ low-key attitude likely doesn’t help, either. For a guy who loves music as much as he does, he really needs a lot of work on projecting that love in his interviews. It comes across loud and clear when he’s on stage performing, but unless he’s being interviewed by someone who asks intelligent questions about the music and/or someone he’s real comfortable with (instead of the stale useless ones about winning Idol and Paula leaving), it doesn’t always come across in his interviews.

  92. And Kris’ low-key attitude likely doesn’t help, either. For a guy who loves music as much as he does, he really needs a lot of work on projecting that love in his interviews.

    This is exactly it. If he doesn’t sound excited when he talks about, it’s hard for me to feel excited about listening to it. This is a huge stumbling block to selling the song. I’ve actually decided that Kris really hates the song and the decision to both put it on his album and make it his first single is one that he isn’t happy with. It may not be true, but it’s the perception I have based upon the couple of interviews I heard him give early on when it first came out.

  93. IMO — LLWD is not selling because it is not a good song and does not properly showcase Kris’ musical talent. No amount of radio airplay will make people buy a song they do not like and there is no sign that the increased radio airplay is doing anything to drive interest in LLWD. I hope they put the two Kris songs on his album.

    windmills: Time For Miracles hasn’t peaked yet. I don’t expect it to peak before tonight or tomorrow. Keep in mind with i-Tunes rankings that they are not 7 day rankings. No one knows exactly what window of time they cover but it’s probably 2-3 days.

    We don’t know what iTunes rankings are based on, if the have ever changed the formula, etc. Wiki standards don’t even allow the inclusion of iTunes ranking because it is only one vendor.

    That said they are fun for fans, and once a song hits the iTunes Top 10, sales generally increase because it has more visability on the iTunes site. That’s why it was important for TfM to hit #10. (Plus, of couse, that does mean people of buying it.

    In other totally weird iTunes news: Want is now in the Top 400 at #395 and NoBo is up to #503.

  94. I was never a fan of Beyonce’s voice, but her performances and songs do entertain me. To judge on voice alone she isn’t that great, in my opinion.

    YES!! My sentiments exactly! Finally someone who agrees with me. lol

    I’ll third that sentiment. If you watched Beyonce’s duet with JHud at the Oscars, JHud totally outsang her cuz that girl’s voice is just balls-to-the-wall amazeballs all the time, BUT Beyonce has a huge amount of charisma and star quality, and is definitely multi-talented.

    IMO ‘” LLWD is not selling because it is not a good song and does not properly showcase Kris’ musical talent.

    I actually really like LLWD. I prefer it over FIBOU and TFM, actually. I think it’s a shame it’s not doing better cuz it’s a cool song.

  95. on the Christmas album front: NOBODY could sing Xmas songs, in the funky category, like my man Otis Redding. Oh, does he soul up “White Christmas’ and “Merry Christmas Baby!”

    Can’t find a video of that, but for fellow soulsters here’s another classic rendition of “merry christmas baby” by Ike & Tina:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LxeGQnQPeM&feature=PlayList&p=01942E2F9BF355A1&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=78

    And Aretha put out a great Xmas album last year — here she’s doing a song from it on the Today Show, sounding swell:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wukVBf7Es&feature=PlayList&p=E47FCF9957F47CCA&index=2

  96. IMO ‘” LLWD is not selling because it is not a good song and does not properly showcase Kris’ musical talent. No amount of radio airplay will make people buy a song they do not like and there is no sign that the increased radio airplay is doing anything to drive interest in LLWD.

    I won’t rule out LLWD so soon. This is just its 3rd week and only went on add this week. It’s picking up spins and will pick up sales later.

  97. Wow, David Cook and Clay Aiken made it to the Top 10 of Amazon pre sales. That’s impressive. I know Cook’s albums was on pre sale the entire summer. I was surprised they didn’t do the same for Kris and Adam but they handled it differently this year.

    Carrie’s download numbers are actually quite amazing because country fans do not tend to download their music. They’ tend to buy physical CDs.

  98. but unless he’s being interviewed by someone who asks intelligent questions about the music and/or someone he’s real comfortable with (instead of the stale useless ones about winning Idol and Paula leaving), it doesn’t always come across in his interviews.

    Kris is going to be interviewed by people other than Jim and Slezak and he is going to be asked the same quesions over an over again. Hell, Oprah asked Adam the “runner-up” question that he’s been asked a hundred times.
    The problem is Kris comes across like a bored teenager. You know how they talk up a storm to their friends, and then you ask them something and you get one word answers.
    If Kris sounded bored all the time it would point to the way his personality is. Because of the fact that he can bring it when he wants to, means Kris is choosing to be bored or unenthusiastic at some interviews.
    If he can engage sometimes, he can do it all the time. If Kris is having problems in this area, he needs to hire someone to help him with sounding enthusiastic, especially when talking about the product he is helping to create and trying to sell.

  99. Carrie’s download numbers are actually quite amazing because country fans do not tend to download their music. They’ tend to buy physical CDs.

    Are there statistics out there that back this up?? I’d be interested to see the different genres represented. Seems everyone has an ipod/mp3 player these days!

  100. We have to be patient with LLWD. Now that his album is finished, he’ll promote it a lot and it should show in the sales. It’s a very good song in my opinion. Yesterday I was checking the top 10 on Itunes Canada and didn’t find anything better… for me anyway

  101. I won’t rule out LLWD so soon. This is just its 3rd week and only went on add this week. It’s picking up spins and will pick up sales later.

    I agree, and it has moved up in iTunes this week, yes? I seem to remember it moving from the 130s to 120s.

    IMO ‘” LLWD is not selling because it is not a good song and does not properly showcase Kris’ musical talent.

    I actually really like LLWD. I prefer it over FIBOU and TFM, actually. I think it’s a shame it’s not doing better cuz it’s a cool song.

    Well I don’t like LLWD, but I’m not a huge fan of TfM either, FIBO is the best of the three for me thus far, but after it’s aborted day on iTunes and Amazon, hasn’t be available since and I don’t see any date when it can be bought. Which is very frustrating.

    But despite not liking LLWD personally, I still thought it would be doing better in sales at this point. But the increase in radio spins is exactly what I was expecting, as I could hear it on the radio, but I just thought it would have stronger sales sooner. But again, I am not counting it out yet and next week might see more sales. Hopefully so.

    Again, odd it isn’t selling more thus far. Weird to me.

  102. The problem is Kris comes across like a bored teenager. You know how they talk up a storm to their friends, and then you ask them something and you get one word answers.
    If Kris sounded bored all the time it would point to the way his personality is. Because of the fact that he can bring it when he wants to, means Kris is choosing to be bored or unenthusiastic at some interviews.

    uh oh, i don’t agree with this. Kris is a calm person but always looked interested by what’s going on in his interviews. He’s more talkative than before also. I would not him to change to something he’s not because it’s going to sound fake

  103. I haven’t read a single professional review (that I can recall, anyway) that said LLWD was a bad song, so where is that coming from? IDGI. The only place I’ve ever read that it’s “not a good song” is here. The majority of reviews actually were glowing, and only a few were so-so.

    Let’s let the single slog it out on the radio and charts and see where that takes it. If it isn’t selling a lot better in 2-3 weeks, then we have a problem.

  104. Huh, I didn’t realize that Kellie Pickler’s ‘Best Days’ has sold almost exactly as much as Daughtry’s ‘No Surprise’. I hear Kellie’s song once in a great while and Chris’s song all the time, it’s funny how you get a subjective opinion about what’s popular based on what radio stations you listen to. On the other hand I know Kellie’s song has been out for a longer time than Daughtry’s, so that may explain it.

    Jordin’s ‘Battlefield’ is still selling well, but slowing down it seems. I think it’s her best song yet, but then that’s not really my genre. If she has any chance of saving her album sales at all she needs another hit single immediately.

    Archie’s christmas album opened at 17k? I would have thought it would be more than that. But I guess it could be worse.

  105. since kris released LLWD , we are saying that it will pick up next week and this is the third or the fourth week and it can’t even sell 15k each week , yes the critics love it but the listeners didn’t respond to it so far

  106. Carrie’s download numbers are actually quite amazing because country fans do not tend to download their music. They’ tend to buy physical CDs.

    Are there statistics out there that back this up??

    I feel like there was a press release after Cowboy Casanova’s first week numbers came out, citing it as one of the top country single downloads ever or something. I’ll try to dig up the article.

    Archie’s christmas album opened at 17k? I would have thought it would be more than that.

    Actually, I think that’s very good for a Christmas album. And it hasn’t been promoted that much yet– I’m thinking November?

  107. Archie’s christmas album opened at 17k? I would have thought it would be more than that. But I guess it could be worse.

    i think these numbers are darn good, when viewed in the proper context…

    looking at stats for the average first week sales for Christmas albums in October, it was 11-12K last year. Faith Hill opened with 12K last year her first week, and wound up selling 450K of her christmas cd…. not saying this is what is expected for this cd, but if he gets anywhere near that figure, we’ll not complain…

    dylan’s christmas cd had it seems 10x the promo than david’s, and it only sold a little over 1k more… so david hung neck and neck in there with a legend – who by all rights should have sold double his amount, on that alone… viewed in that context, both dylan and archuleta did better than average numbers, for the type of album they were selling.

    kudos to david, and to dylan…

  108. CindyM: Are there statistics out there that back this up?? I’d be interested to see the different genres represented. Seems everyone has an ipod/mp3 player these days!

    Here’s an article in the Washington Post about how much lower the percentage of home computer ownership is among country fans than the national average. Here’s a quote from the head of Sony Nashville:

    Galante, who helped devise the CMA’s study, said focus groups conducted by Sony Nashville parent Sony Music had already shown him that country’s digital penetration was less than that for rock or hip-hop, but “people didn’t want to believe it.”

  109. Archie’s christmas album opened at 17k? I would have thought it would be more than that. But I guess it could be worse.

    I don’t think Christmas albums are usually huge sellers, are they?

    If she has any chance of saving her album sales at all she needs another hit single immediately.

    It seems she has no problem attaining hit singles. However, that never seems to translate to big CD sales for her.

  110. I haven’t read a single professional review (that I can recall, anyway) that said LLWD was a bad song, so where is that coming from? IDGI. The only place I’ve ever read that it’s ‘not a good song’  is here. The majority of reviews actually were glowing, and only a few were so-so.

    Yes, but how many songs get great reviews but never sell well?

    Or the opposite – how many crappy songs out there currently sit at the top of the charts ;-)

  111. This is not the PR I was looking for, but the stat is there:

    Underwood is the only solo country artist this year to debut a digital single above the 100,000 mark

    Source

  112. Kristen,
    If your around, I have a question for ya…..Are you shocked about Jared Cotter and his success with “Down”?

  113. Yes, but how many songs get great reviews but never sell well?

    Practically every song that gets good reviews?

  114. Yes, it’s so shockingly bad that it’s delightful. I gotta believe that Mr. Zimmerman is well aware of just how, er, eccentric the whole ‘project’  is and how it’s bound to be received.

    It’s everything a Bob Dylan Christmas album should be and almost certainly will be the most talked about Christmas album of the year. Not bad for his 51st album (not including compilations and greatest hits collections).

    Let’s see if Little Archie is still generating buzz after 51 albums.

  115. I don’t think Christmas albums are usually huge sellers, are they?

    No, unless you’re Josh Groban. LOL. They’re for the fanbase, I always thought. And Christmas music lovers. Plus you can sell more of them every year if your artist has any longevity whatsoever.

  116. Let’s see if Little Archie is still generating buzz after 51 albums.

    LOL, that’s quite a benchmark. Not many people in the music business can match Bob’s career. Bob Dylan is no doubt a genius, and little Archie is so far just an embryo in comparison. But, none of that changes the fact that at least Archie sings his Christmas music in tune and Bob’s CD sounds like shit.

    I get that some die-hard Dylan fans are going to buy it for all kinds of reasons, including its freakish qualities. But to me, it’s just embarassingly bad. Once an artist’s voice is completely blown and incapable of carrying a note, I just stop buying, regardless of their pedigree.

  117. O, Archie’s Christmas album opened at 17k! It’s just October and lots of ghouls are still flying around so I think that is really good!!!! :)

  118. uh oh, i don’t agree with this. Kris is a calm person but always looked interested by what’s going on in his interviews. He’s more talkative than before also. I would not him to change to something he’s not because it’s going to sound fake

    Agreed, I wouldn’t want Kris to be anything other than who he genuinely is, and yeah it would sound fake it he tried to act like others or manufacture a response just to sound more stereotypically enthusiastic. And I actually think he’s doing better with his interviews lately. He’s sounding more enthusiastic and letting that dry sense of humor come out even more, so yeah. Though yeah, his better interviews are when he’s comfortable with people, for whatever reason, and one doesn’t always have the luxury of that.

    But I don’t think interviews are what is standing in the way of Kris getting better sales for LLWD. I don’t really think they matter, honestly. I think they matter to the fans, but don’t see how they make new fans of the song.

    No clue why LLWD is stalled where it is in the sales charts, but with the increased spins, and in some major markets it’s doing well there, yes? Like Z100? I think next week will be a much more telling week for sales.

  119. But, none of that changes the fact that at least Archie sings his Christmas music in tune and Bob’s CD sounds like shit.

    i like dylan, i respect dylan, but i ain’t gonna lie… i have never laughed so hard, in my life, as i did after listening to a friends copy of his cd… i know he is donating all proceeds from the sale of the cd to charity, which is very noble, but he could. not. have. been. serious [insert john mcenroe tirade voice], recording this… his voice has always been an acquired taste, but it sounds shot to hades more than usual here… and some of the arrangements did him no great shakes either… his legacy is secured, so in the long run, it doesn’t really matter, i guess… but ooo weee, my side is still hurtin’…

  120. Archie’s off to a decent start. Billboard has a separate holiday albums chart so it’ll be easy to compare it with the sales of other Xmas albums.

  121. Everybody has their own perspective, but I look at LLWD sales are very good. No, Kris didn’t have the big idol boost during his first week of sales, sales to hardcore fans were lower than they usually are for an idol winner, but since then, sales have been very stable. If the increased airplay wasn’t resulting in sales to people who weren’t buying the song, on the basis that they actually like the song, the sales totals would be a lot lower than 5 figures.
    The fact that the song’s sales have stabalized is a good sign. It will never put up a week where it’s total looks like the massive first week debut numbers for other idol songs, but it also won’t have to deal with radio Program Directors who think that the only people supporting the song are AI fanatics, or a huge drop in sales that plainly points out the fact that the huge debut number was due to people who only bought it to support the artist (or more likely, to prove that their fandom is right and their guy should have won, or is the right winner).

  122. Let’s see if Little Archie is still generating buzz after 51 albums.

    Wow, 51 albums! Thanks for your vote of confidence. ;)

  123. Let’s see if Little Archie is still generating buzz after 51 albums.

    i’ll be waiting’ ¦ :grin: david i think picks up tangential buzz from dylan, due to the similar titles, and folks listening to each to compare, coupled w/ the ‘ grizzled rock legend vs. young upstart pop star’  angle being played out in the media’ ¦ it’s all good, n’est pas ?

  124. Yes, but how many songs get great reviews but never sell well?

    Practically every song that gets good reviews?

    And this says more about reviewers than anything. Reviewers aren’t your average listener and most don’t try to hear a song and think how it will sound to you or me. Most reviewers have to hear something really unique and different and pleasing to their highly refined musical tastes. But I don’t have refined tastes. My musical taste is more beer than wine and while I might prefer a nice Harp, even Schlitz can be appreciated at the right moment. I want music that’s fun and dancy. I want it repetitive enough that I sing or hum along but not have it so repetitive that it drives me crazy.

  125. Seems everyone has an ipod/mp3 player these days!

    Not in my neck of the woods, or even in my house! My husband doesn’t own one and I only inherited a little shuffle this summer as a gift my daughter didn’t want (she has a nano). Most of my friends don’t have ipods either. We’ve bought them for our kids, but not ourselves. I think there are lots of people like us who aren’t that technologically sophisticated and who simply prefer listening to music off cd’s, most likely purchased in a local store. And no, I am not a country music fan, but some of my friends are. So while my friends may have an interest in a song like LLWD, they have no way of getting it until the cd comes out. Makes it hard to judge Kris’ success right now since a portion of the buying audience does not have access yet (maybe the over 50 crowd is his true demographic?!). We may just have to watch and wait for the album before we know how strong Kris’ appeal really is.

  126. I was actually commenting to a comment about it “not being a good song” with my observation that I have not heard any critics agreeing that it’s not a good song.

    As for downloads – I don’t have a clue why it hasn’t sold more, but I think we’ll just have to wait and see if the increasing airplay translates to dollars.

  127. If your around, I have a question for ya’ ¦..Are you shocked about Jared Cotter and his success with ‘Down’ ?

    Well, not shocked. How about surprised?

    Jared was one of the also rans from his season. He didn’t make it out of the semis and is probably best known for dedicating “Let’s Get It On” to his mom and his strange dance moves. So, one doesn’t normally expect such a contestant to do well. Most of the people that finished at his level have drifted far into obscurity.

    But we never got a chance to hear him write a song. An inability to connect to the Idol audiences or even to perform doesn’t preclude you from writing songs.

    So, I applaud Jared. He kept plugging away and found a niche where his skills work. And boy, did they work. With a hit like that under his belt, more artists are going to be willing to give his songs the time of day and that helps you get more hits. Other writers will likely want to work with him and again, that increases the likelihood of more hits. And writing pays mechanical royalties which mean money for every song sold or each time it’s played on the radio.

    I think it’s great when Idols succeed. It’s such a crap shoot, this show. The biz is an even bigger crap shoot.

    And who knows? Write enough hits and a label might give him a chance to record his own songs. Jennifer Hudson shows that the story isn’t over when the fall CDs release. Any Idol with enough talent can become a success and the recording industry has room for a broader scope of talents than AI.

    So, I’m not shocked. I’m a little surprised and very much happy for him (even though I didn’t like him on the show)

  128. And this says more about reviewers than anything. Reviewers aren’t your average listener and most don’t try to hear a song and think how it will sound to you or me. Most reviewers have to hear something really unique and different and pleasing to their highly refined musical tastes. But I don’t have refined tastes.

    Case in point – I’m immediately reminded of the BEPs latest album getting trashed by my local paper. I’m sure that review meant a lot to the bottom line (rolls eyes)

  129. If Archie’s Christmas album debuted better than Faith Hill’s last year (upthread somebody said she sold like 12k?) then I’d consider that really good, so congrats Archie :)

  130. If Archie’s Christmas album debuted better than Faith Hill’s last year (upthread somebody said she sold like 12k?) then I’d consider that really good, so congrats Archie :)

    taking nothing away from the fab miss hill, but it did… she released her christmas cd in late sept. of 08, this article was posted in mtv.com on 10/8/08, via billboard….

    while Faith Hill’s Joy to the World follows at #49 with 11,300 scans.

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1596565/20081008/story.jhtml

  131. Archie’s off to a decent start. Billboard has a separate holiday albums chart so it’ll be easy to compare it with the sales of other Xmas albums.

    Ah, I didn’t know that. I’m a serious sucker for Christmas music, and certainly no Archie fan. But, I’m a little nervous that the urge to buy this may overwhelm me when I’m doing my Christmas shopping at Target LOL.

    He didn’t make it out of the semis and is probably best known for dedicating ‘Let’s Get It On’  to his mom and his strange dance moves.

    That was seriously one of the best AI laughs I’ve ever had. I couldn’t believe that it didn’t occur to him how bizarre that dedication would come across.

    ‘ ¦while Faith Hill’s Joy to the World follows at #49 with 11,300 scans.

    See, that’s what I’m talking about with the Christmas music thing. I totally own that CD (and others I’m not willing to admit to).

  132. you’re cool people spenser j…

    from the la times – they are reporting the revised billboard numbers, which are still great… remember what i said about the tangential buzz david’s picking up from dylan… this is top headline… read full article at the link….

    On the charts: ‘Twilight’ can’t match the power of Buble; Dylan, Archuleta in a Christmas album bout
    October 21, 2009 | 12:03 pm

    Elsewhere, in a Christmas-album bout between Bob Dylan and David Archuleta, Dylan comes out on top. Dylan’s charity album “Christmas in the Heart” enters at No. 23 with 20,000 copies sold, and Archuleta’s similarly titled “Christmas From the Heart” lands at No. 30 with 17,000 copies sold.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/10/on-the-charts-twilight-cant-match-the-power-of-buble-dylan-archuleta-in-a-christmas-album-bout.html

  133. from vulture in nymag – tee hee… dunno where their numbers are coming from, lololol…

    The numbers are in! The winner of the hotly contested sales race between rock legends Bob Dylan and David Archuleta, who both released near-identical Christmas-themed albums last week, is … Bob Dylan by a nose! Dylan’s Christmas in the Heart ‘” a reverent, craggy-voiced, Vulture-approved take on fifteen holiday classics ‘” moved an impressive 17,350 units to place at No. 31; Archuleta’s more contemporary, melisma-fueled Christmas From the Heart landed at No. 32 with an also-not-bad 16,254 copies sold. We’ll never know for sure, but we presume some of Dylan’s sales were the result of confused Archuleta fans buying the wrong album (and vice versa). There are really no losers here, though.

    http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/10/dylan_defeats_archuleta_in_chr.html

  134. I don’t expect Adam to burn up the charts but I’m not judging him on TFM unless that actually turns out to be THE single off his album. I think it would be a huge mistake for RCA to make that THE single but only time will tell if they’re going to release anything else. Considering that TFM isn’t the sort of song that does well on itunes I’m impressed it’s at #10. It’s not exactly current. If he releases something current that is half way decent it could actually do well because I think people are buying TFM only because he’s singing it.

    Kris’s numbers seem bad. Very bad.

  135. Whoever writes Vulture pretends to be (or is) a big Archie fan. All his/her posts about Archie are hilarious.

    LLWD hit #50 on the Top 40 chart today. Sales have to go up or something is seriously wrong. The Idol ladies are really doing great on the chart. It’s nice to see because Idol blogs are all about the guys. Yet in the real world, the woman consistently do better across the board.

  136. Picklers song has a lot of downloads due in part because it made it to the top 10, her first to do so. Also, the video for that song is absolutely gorgeous, on her part, and soooooooooo funny and CMT and GAC both have played the dickens out of it and are still doing so. Its still on GAC top 20 even though she is promoting a new song. I know Pickler’s exboyfriends’ wife, who the video pokes fun at, must absolutely burn everytime she sees it. I would lol but those grandma panties are soooooooo funny in that video.

    Also, MTV and VH1 are playing Carries new song video so it might be crossing over like BHC did, which would give her even more downloads. I love that song but hate the video with it but her younger fans seem to love it from the posts I’ve read.

  137. Natasha: I don’t expect Adam to burn up the charts but I’m not judging him on TFM unless that actually turns out to be THE single off his album. I think it would be a huge mistake for RCA to make that THE single but only time will tell if they’re going to release anything else. Considering that TFM isn’t the sort of song that does well on itunes I’m impressed it’s at #10. It’s not exactly current. If he releases something current that is half way decent it could actually do well because I think people are buying TFM only because he’s singing it.

    I agree, the real test for Adam will be when he released his real album single — which they are hopefully picking right now. I have no doubt that there will be a second Adam single because 19/RCA aren’t promoting TfM — Sony/Columbia Pictures is. We’ll see.

  138. LLWD hit #50 on the Top 40 chart today. Sales have to go up or something is seriously wrong.

    Yes, we should start seeing it going up or start questioning whether they should drop a new single for the album promo period (John Mayer is. It’s planned, but I notice that his current single isn’t exactly setting the world on fire (getting a nice spincrease on HAC, though), so it is probably a good idea). Don’t waste the promo period on a song that won’t sell or takes too much effort to sell.

    That said, if I were Jive, I would release the video some time in the next week or two and pair it with an itunes banner. That helped to re-invigorate the sales of Crush. Or maybe you just stop spending money on the single. IDK. It’s certainly got a decent spincrease on Top 40 (enough to land him in the teens if it can be sustained), so maybe not.

    I need a crystal ball.

    PS the Vulture’s Archie “obsession” is hilarious.

  139. Kirsten

    LLWD hit #50 on the Top 40 chart today. Sales have to go up or something is seriously wrong.

    Yes, we should start seeing it going up or start questioning whether they should drop a new single for the album promo period (John Mayer is. It’s planned, but I notice that his current single isn’t exactly setting the world on fire (getting a nice spincrease on HAC, though), so it is probably a good idea). Don’t waste the promo period on a song that won’t sell or takes too much effort to sell.

    That said, if I were Jive, I would release the video some time in the next week or two and pair it with an itunes banner. That helped to re-invigorate the sales of Crush. Or maybe you just stop spending money on the single. IDK. It’s certainly got a decent spincrease on Top 40 (enough to land him in the teens if it can be sustained), so maybe not.

    I need a crystal ball.

    I don’t have a crystal ball — but I wish I had an genee lamp. My first wish would be that Jive releases a second Kris single and shifts the promo $ and Kris’ valuable upcoming TV opportunities to a different song.

    But I don’t believe in genees and I don’t think that Kris will get a second single. My bet is 19/Jive just sticks with LLWD and then focuses on selling the album.

  140. Yes, we should start seeing it going up or start questioning whether they should drop a new single for the album promo period (John Mayer is. It’s planned, but I notice that his current single isn’t exactly setting the world on fire (getting a nice spincrease on HAC, though), so it is probably a good idea). Don’t waste the promo period on a song that won’t sell or takes too much effort to sell.

    Isn’t dropping the promo efforts of the first single this quickly for a different song highly costly and risky as well?

  141. Lurker here…I listen to a lot of contemporary country music (among other things) and I love Kris’ music and sound. Is is possible that the country music vote put Kris over the top on the show? I don’t have an i-pod/mp3 player, but plan on buying his cd when it comes out. I don’t know…just a thought to ponder.

  142. LLWD hit #50 on the Top 40 chart today. Sales have to go up or something is seriously wrong. The Idol ladies are really doing great on the chart. It’s nice to see because Idol blogs are all about the guys. Yet in the real world, the woman consistently do better across the board.

    What was it at last week?

  143. LLWD on Pop radio
    LW TW
    69 50 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dyin… 572 218 354 4.342

    The song has 354 more spins this week that last. It’s doing very well on the radio.

  144. you’re cool people spenser j’ ¦

    Aw, thanks. I appreciate that :)

    That said, if I were Jive, I would release the video some time in the next week or two and pair it with an itunes banner. That helped to re-invigorate the sales of Crush. Or maybe you just stop spending money on the single. IDK. It’s certainly got a decent spincrease on Top 40 (enough to land him in the teens if it can be sustained), so maybe not.

    Hmm, interesting. On the one hand, you don’t want to waste the tv appearances on a single that isn’t catching on with the public. On the other – with the video and iTunes banner (plus increased spins), things could certainly change for the better rather quickly. Glad it’s not my job to decide this stuff.

  145. How can I forget the MV? LLWD mv will likely be out in 2 weeks, which will pump up the sales. The MV is taken in a desert, which sounds cool and will appeal the teens and the youth. MTV, EW and Yahoo will def cover it.

  146. sma11ie,

    I did a search and found the Sony Music Nashville site and found the press release for “Cowboy Casanova.”

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    October 1, 2009

    Nashville, TN ‘“ Superstar Carrie Underwood has the nation’s #1 country digital single as ‘Cowboy Casanova’  explodes with massive first-week sales of 110,236 copies. With the achievement, Underwood remains the only solo country artist this year to debut a digital single above the 100,000 mark ‘“ a feat she’s accomplished not once, but twice in 2009, having also hit the six digits with her recording of this season’s American Idol farewell theme, ‘Home Sweet Home.’ 

    You can read the full press release HERE.

  147. Isn’t dropping the promo efforts of the first single this quickly for a different song highly costly and risky as well?

    Yep. It’s a tough call.

    I don’t think that Kris will get a second single.

    This fall or ever?

    Probably not this fall, but I think he will get a second single even if they half-ass it. I just think that 19E doesn’t loathe him. That means, they’ll likely have him back on Idol at least once (even Taylor got to sing on the finale of S6). If this single tanks they might as well have him sing a new single and send it to adds that week. That’s what Arista did for Taylor (and Jive did release a half-ass video for Archie’s “3rd single” he sang on AI). If that gives it some chart momentum, maybe they’ll work it.

    If LLWD is a hit, Idol performance time is about time to release a new single. That’s when RCA finally decided to give Cookie a new single.

  148. Lyndsey Parker got to hear 8 of the 12 songs to make Kris’ album (of the 12, Kris wrote or co-wrote 9 of them!!!)

    So that probably means that Jive will release the other three…

  149. BILLBOARD HOT 100

    20 19 CARRIE UNDERWOOD COWBOY CASANOVA
    19 20 KELLY CLARKSON ALREADY GONE – STILL BULLETED
    46 49 DAUGHTRY NO SURPRISE
    56 GLEE CAST KEEP HOLDING ON
    65 GLEE CAST NO AIR
    77 CARRIE UNDERWOOD MAMA’S SONG

  150. LLWD seems like a great song for Kris. Why are the sales so bad? I think the problem is in his AI fanbase which apparently wasn’t as strong as his winning suggested. I’m not an expert on Idols sales but isn’t it usual that the first single generally does well because the people who supported an Idol during competition are still fired up enough to buy it no matter how bad the single is? Kris’s fanbase was obviously too weak to be buying his stuff months after the competition is over. If that is true he is not on a much better ground than a new unknown artist making his debut on the radio. But I honestly think that the song is good and it will gain sales as it increases airplay. It will probably never reach the numbers other idols first singles do but hope that it will satisfy the label enough to get another single out in due time.

  151. I don’t think LLWD is doing badly, seems to be increasingly slowly in line with the increased spins. For comparison, Jordin Sparks’ SOS has more airplay (currently #43 for SOS on CHR compared to #50 for LLWD), but it’s hovering around position 180-200 on iTunes at the moment compared to ~130 for LLWD. Can’t remember but was David Cook’s Come Back To Me hovering between 80-100 on iTunes when it hit Top 50 on CHR? So LLWD is not doing as well as CBTM for comparable spins on CHR (which may be because CBTM did well on HAC and AC) but doing far better than SOS (but that may be due to LLWD getting a lot of play on Z100). LLWD just need to get more spins that’s all.

    ETA, album numbers from Idol Chatter –

    David Archuleta, Christmas From the Heart (17,000, debut, 17,000 total/4,000 digital, debut, 4,000 digital total)

    Various, WOW Hits 2010 (14,000, -2 percent, 28,000)

    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 31 (12,000, -10 percent, 725,000)

    Daughtry, Leave This Town (11,000, -6 percent, 698,000/1,000 digital, 0 percent, 127,000 digital total)

    Various, Now That’s What I Call Country Vol. 2 (7,000, -18 percent, 127,000)

    Kelly Clarkson, All I Ever Wanted (6,000, -7 percent, 729,000/1,000 digital, -11 percent, 157,000 digital total)

    Soundtrack, Hannah Montana 3 (5,000, -9 percent, 468,000)

    Various, Now That’s What I Call Club Hits (5,000, -20 percent, 36,000)

    Kellie Pickler, Kellie Pickler (3,000, +14 percent, 323,000)

    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 30 (3,000, -8 percent, 709,000)

    Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride (3,000, +4 percent, 2.977 million)

    Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts (2,000, -8 percent, 6.851 million)

    Brooke White, Live Session (2,000 digital, debut, 2,000 digital total)

    (What’s this Brooke White’s Live Session thing? How come there’s no publicity about this? Unless I somehow managed to miss it?)

  152. Lyndsey Parker got to hear 8 of the 12 songs to make Kris’ album (7 of the 12, Kris wrote or co-wrote 9 of them!!!)

    So that probably means that Jive will release the other three’ ¦

    It’s funny cuz it’s true. Painfully so. Oh 19Evil, how you amuse

    If that is true he is not on a much better ground than a new unknown artist making his debut on the radio. But I honestly think that the song is good and it will gain sales as it increases airplay.

    As discussed before, Kris is in a much better position than just any other new, unknown artist would be. Much, much better position. And I agree though, that with all the increased spins, and Kris seems to be doing really well, that it will translate eventually to sales.

    I find it interesting that he has so little penetration on the Left Coast. Hmmm, it fascinates me.

  153. As far as LLWD goes, I didn’t buy it because I don’t like it at all. There’s something about it that makes it unlistenable to me. I’m actually worried by Lyndsay’s review because the song she likes best of the ones she heard sounds like it’ll also be very wordy (she compared it to M5 Harder to Breathe). As I like Kris better when he has a little more time on the lyrics I’m thinking this will be another fail for me. I just don’t buy that rock/pop vibe from him. And while a lot of Kris fans might get upset with my saying so, my favorite Kris performances were country week (To Make You Feel My Love) and when he sang “I want to Kiss a Girl” with Keith Urban in the finale. If he’d gone country, I would have snapped up his songs in a minute.

  154. I think she meant all together he cowrite or write 9,but some of the songs she listed we’re not written at all by Kris, because one song she review that was one of the one’s she didn’t like as much she said wasn’t written at all by Kris.

  155. girlygirl: Lyndsey Parker got to hear 8 of the 12 songs to make Kris’ album (of the 12, Kris wrote or co-wrote 9 of them!!!)

    Here’s her review/preview of the album ‘” HINT ‘” it’s a REALLY REALLY REALLY positive write-up

    I could hug you right now!!!! Thank you for the delivery of such awesome news!! Woot, woot!!!!

    My husband called me last night on the way from work (5:30) and LLWD was on the radio. THEN, I heard it again this morning for the first time (for me)!

  156. Thank you, girlygirl for the link to the yahoo music article!!!! I sometimes think if it wasn’t for you, I’d never read any real news about Kris Allen here. It often seems it’s the ‘Adam’ channel with the same topic featured over and over. (No offense to MJ, I know she posts based on what people submit and that she is a huge Adam fan. I like Adam too, It’s just reached the saturation point for me.)

    I am stoked for this album to arrive. I would love if they released another of single soon.

    That is awesome that he wrote/co-wrote on 9 songs of the 12. Such a shame that the first single was one he had no real hand in. I still like it, but it’s a shame knowing what Kris was capable of delivering.

    I’m not worried about any of these numbers. I’ve never bought music or based what I liked on numbers before, and I’m not going to start now.

    Speaking of which, I did buy Bob Dylan’s Christmas album and I love it. It’s perfect family and friends around the house with everyone having a little too much holiday cheer singing along to holiday songs. Seems to me that’s the effect he was after.

  157. It doesn’t appear Jive has given up promoting LLWD or Kris quite yet. Kris had 4 separate radio interviews today that I know of, plus the interview with Lyndsey Parker (which she will post tomorow) as a tandem to her blog about the 8 songs she got to hear. He also supposedly pre-taped ANOTHER interview to air on Z-100 on Monday — when it is expected he will be named as one of the acts for that station’s JingleBall. That will be the 3rd separate radio station “JingleBall” type concert he has already been booked to perform on (going along with the one in Sacramento and the one in Buffalo), not to mention he still has the Napa gig in November, the gig with the Fray in Chicago in early December and the GMA Concert on November 17.

    Throw in the fact that Kris is getting mainly positive press, and I doubt Jive is anywhere close to throwing in the towel on him. The sales numbers aren’t great, but the radio spins are strong and the reviews are strong.

  158. I don’t know what this site is exactly, but Kris is at #5 on this list. It looks to have something to do with what musicians are getting a lot of radio play and/or promotion?

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/vibe/vibe.cgi?rank5

    And it looks like Kris is lined up for a lot of the big shows once his album drops (Conan, Ellen, Regis & Kelly…)

  159. Hmm, interesting. On the one hand, you don’t want to waste the tv appearances on a single that isn’t catching on with the public. On the other ‘“ with the video and iTunes banner (plus increased spins), things could certainly change for the better rather quickly. Glad it’s not my job to decide this stuff.

    Hmm – well, my take is – they’ve already shot the mv, and an itunes banner tie-in with it is probably not loads of money – so doing both of those seems like a no brainer. This will probably happen in the next few weeks, leading up to all the promo (interviews, etc.) he’ll be doing in Nov leading up to Nov 17.

    IF at that point LLWD is not picking up (or staying up, if it starts a significant climb), and IF the album were to similarly underperform, then, and only then, would an alternate single make sense, imo. Maybe to roll out in Dec?

  160. LLWD on Pop radio
    LW TW
    69 50 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dyin’ ¦ 572 218 354 4.342

    The song has 354 more spins this week that last. It’s doing very well on the radio.

    That is a big increase from where it was before. So, that should theoretically start translating to downloads. I know there’s a timing issue too, so maybe we just have to wait a bit longer to see the effect.

  161. Turned on my radio today, cranked up the volume and LLWD started blasting out at me. First time I’ve heard it here (not too far from DC) and it brought a big smile to my face. This station seems fairly slow to add new songs so I was actually surprised to hear it already. After it played the DJ gave Kris’ name and then told listeners we should go to his website to watch Kris’ Britney cover video.

    ETA: just checked and this is B101.5 which is also widely heard in the DC area. I think it’s classified as HAC, but honestly it’s playlist comes straight off the itunes Top20 minus some of the rap/hip-hop songs. And once they start to play something, I usually hear it alot.

  162. It doesn’t appear Jive has given up promoting LLWD or Kris quite yet.

    Given up? The promo push has barely gotten started for Kris and the other S8 Idols. LLWD is showing some nice solid spincreases on CHR and HAC, and lots of good adds (that Cumulus block always helps). But patience, grasshoppers. Kris’s AI is still largely driven by a single market (single station, really, though the WPLJ add will help broaden his exposure in NYC). He’s going to have to triple or quadruple his current cumulative AI before the song starts to reach a level of familiarity that will stabilize and ultimately lift the sales numbers. That’s going to take several weeks at least. If Jive timed things right, things will start to tip and he’ll really start to gain traction right around when the album drops.

    I agree that the sluggish sales numbers are troubling, but as numbers-focused as I am, I also firmly believe that each Idol is going to forge their own path. I didn’t have a strong favorite this year, but I’m certainly having fun watching their roll-outs, and can’t wait to see what kind of artists they evolve into and how well the market embraces each of them.

    I think it’s classified as HAC, but honestly it’s playlist comes straight off the itunes Top20 minus some of the rap/hip-hop songs. And once they start to play something, I usually hear it alot.

    That’s basically the textbook definition of HAC (aka Adult Top 40) – everything on the mainstream Top 40 minus most rap and hip-hop. In terms of chart behavior and programming focus, HAC really has more in common with CHR than AC. HAC plays more recurrents than CHR and typically maintains a larger playlist, but they do put songs into power-rotation. On HAC this is usually 50-60 spins/week, compared to upwards of 100 spins a week for CHR power rotation.

  163. Thanks for the info, ladymadonna. I’m not a constant radio listener but this is almost literally the only station in my area that isn’t Country or Christian so it’s what I listen to. The playlist is pretty okay for me, except for the darn Fireflies and way too much Daughtry/Nickelback for my taste. I hope they sink their teeth into LLWD like they seem to do with some of their playlist.

    And if they could see their way to spinning some Adam and Allison too I’ll be pretty darn happy!

  164. Hey girlygirl – I wouldn’t be tremendously surprised if LLWD got some legitimate Rhythmic spins, but there has also been an apparent station classification error in Mediabase over the past two weeks that might be causing this. David Cook’s Time of My Life has logged 18 Rhythmic spins in that timeframe according to the QuickCut, after a year and a half of…um, pretty much zero Rhythmic airplay. LOL. I’m pretty sure Mediabase has an HAC, AC, or CHR station incorrectly tagged as Rhythmic in their monitoring system right now. That kind of thing happens occasionally (either a glitch or sometimes due to station format changes), and usually gets resolved sooner or later in the QC.

  165. I’m pretty sure Mediabase has an HAC, AC, or CHR station incorrectly tagged as Rhythmic in their monitoring system right now.

    Last week, KCHZ in Kansas City added LLWD and Mediabase called it Rhythmic.

    Like many stations, it has had a lot of format changes over the years. In 2005, it became a Rhythmic station, but over the years, it’s moved closer to CHR (Top 40) and officially switched over to that format on October 8, 2009 (and started adding Rockish songs).

    That probably explains most of the Rhytmic spins. Mediabase just hasn’t updated yet.

  166. Ahh, thanks Kirsten. I knew about the KCHZ format change but didn’t bother to look closely at Kris’s adds (or TOML’s spins) to notice that was the culprit, and that Mediabase hasn’t caught up yet.

    KCHZ was an interesting case because they apparently made the programming switch based on new data about listener trends and audience size as Arbitron moves from diary-based audience tracking to the PPM system in the KC market. The press release about the format switch mentioned specifically the addition of Daughtry, David Cook, and Kelly Clarkson to KCHZ’s new playlist (the release actually made it sound more like a switch to HAC then CHR, but whatev’). It appears that similar shake-ups are happening in a lot of the markets where PPM has been introduced. Early results seem to indicate that the diary system led to over-estimation of the audience for certain formats such as Talk and Rhythmic, and under-estimation of some of the adult-leaning mainstream formats and stations. I’m sure the PPM program is making some ad sales managers very twitchy right about now.

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