Idol Sales News – Week Ending 10/04/09

Sales numbers for the Billboard Release Date 10/17/2009 after the jump.

Download Numbers
13 Carrie Underwood “Cowboy Casanova” 65, 816 (-40%; lw 11, 0236) Total: 176, 052 (8)
25 Kelly Clarkson “Already Gone” 43, 737 (-7%; lw 47, 144) Total: 433, 609 (21)
50 Jordin Sparks “Battlefield” 27, 355 (-12%; lw 30, 994) Total: 1, 025, 772 (44) **NOW PLATINUM**
63 Kris Allen “Live Like We’re Dying” 23, 552 (49%; lw 15, 755) Total: 39, 307 (93)
Daughtry “No Surprise” 18K (-10%) Total: 822K
Kellie Pickler “Best Days of Your Life” 9K (-3%) Total: 833K

Glee
10 Glee Cast “Somebody to Love” 77, 799 (166%; lw 29, 245) Total: 107, 044 (49)
20 Glee Cast “Alone” 52, 129 (NEW) Total: 52, 129 (NEW)
37 Glee Cast “Don’t Stop Believin'” 33, 279 (101%; lw 16, 534) Total: 477, 057 (88)
49 Glee Cast “Maybe This Time” 27, 428 (NEW) Total: 27, 428 (NEW)
77 Glee Cast “Last Name” 20, 061 (NEW) Total: 20, 061 (NEW)

80 Journey “Don’t Stop Believin'” 19, 280 (5%; lw 18, 411) Total: 3, 118, 893 (79)
191 Heart “Alone” 7, 823 (386%; lw 1, 610) Total: 494, 538 (OFF)

Album Numbers
42 Daughtry “Leave This Town” 14, 439 (-9%; lw 15, 789) Total: 675, 431
100 Kelly Clarkson “All I Ever Wanted” 5, 414 (-4%; lw 5, 656) Total: 716, 673
157 Jordin Sparks “Battlefield” 3, 328 (-11%; lw 3, 732) Total: 120, 292
180 Kellie Pickler “Kellie Pickler” 2, 960 (7%; lw 2, 764) Total: 317, 172
Carrie Underwood “Carnival Ride” 3K (6%) Total: 2.972M
Carrie Underwood “Some Hearts” 3K (-3%) Total: 6.846M

Albums that include Idols:
Various “Now That’s What I Call Music! 31” 15K (-11%) Total: 699K
Various “Now That’s What I Call Club Hits” 11K (-26%) Total: 25K Digital: 2K
Various “Now That’s What I Call Country Vol. 2” 10K (-13%) Total: 111K
Soundtrack “Hannah Montana 3” 7K (-9%) Total: 457K
Various “Now That’s What I Call Music! 30” 4K (6%) Total: 703K
Various “Now That’s What I Call Country” 1K (-1%) Total: 381K

Rounded numbers from Brian over at Idol Chatter.

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  1. Airplay (increase in audience impressions in million)
    No. 37 – Carrie Underwood (+4.6 million)
    No. 38 – Kelly Clarkson (+4.6 million)
    No. 689 – Kris Allen (+2.3 million)

    Streaming:
    No. 8 No Surprise
    No. 11 Already Gone

  2. LOL Battlefield (my most hated song) went platinum?? I hope that doesn’t mean that if I want my fav idols to have fabulous careers, I need to hate their singles because I kind of like Kris’s and Allisons’s. And I’m really hoping that Adam’s makes me want to dance.

  3. 50 Jordin Sparks ‘Battlefield’  27,355 (-12%; lw 30,994) Total: 1,025,772 (44) **NOW PLATINUM**

    Love that song! Congrats Jordin!!!!!!!!

  4. I’m a bit surprised at the Glee Cast ‘Somebody to Love’  as I was disappointed with it. Folks should just go get the original.

    But then all the Glee stuff is doing well so what do I know :)

  5. I’m a bit surprised at the Glee Cast ‘Somebody to Love’  as I was disappointed with it. Folks should just go get the original.

    But then all the Glee stuff is doing well so what do I know

    The singing sucks, but the show is fun, I think that’s why the songs do well on iTunes. Seriously they have not sung anyhting that had me going wow.

  6. who are the 19,280 people who do not already own a copy of Journey’s “Don’t Stop Believing”…seriously, I love this song (and have owned it in various forms — vinyl album, cd, download — for years), but doesn’t everyone already have it? How does it keep selling on itunes year after year after years?

  7. Glad to see Kris’ numbers up. With no TV promotion yet, I guess it’s pretty good. It does make me wonder, though, what the heck has happened to Arkansas. Come on people, support your homeboy!

  8. 5 Glee tunes in the Top 100 downloads? I assume that there are fans buying multiple Glee tunes but … still it’s impressive.

    The success of Glee songs is not that surprising but — the extent of the Glee sales is pretty impressive. I really like some of the songs but others are not so good. For example, the Glee version of ‘Somebody to Love’  just pales in comparisons to the original version.

  9. who are the 19,280 people who do not already own a copy of Journey’s ‘Don’t Stop Believing’ ’ ¦

    Maybe they’re ardent Journey fans buying multiple copies to drive their numbers up. ;)

    I’m surprised Glee hasn’t released videos of their songs. I would think those would sell pretty well, but maybe they’re waiting until their lip-syncing is a little tighter.

  10. Love the premise of glee but each week the story line just gets weaker and weaker and becomes a re-hash of story lines from every teen movie ever made.

    I think, at some point, those people who are buying the “glee” songs are going to figure out that the originals are a million times better and their allegiance to Glee will shift. But, this does go to prove my point that today’s generation is hungry for more “traditional” music….either that or only us old foggies are watching the show.

    ETA….if someone has the release date for the singles listed above can they share….its nice to know how long it takes to get a platinum single like Jordin.

  11. I guess it’s pretty good. It does make me wonder, though, what the heck has happened to Arkansas. Come on people, support your homeboy!

    I think they are. Does anyone have a link to the chart that shows what radio stations are spinning the single? Evidently, a couple of radio stations in Arkansas are responsible for 25% of LLWD’s spins. So, I guess it’s getting on the airwaves somewhere in Arkansas. Link anyone?

  12. Seeing those Glee numbers kind of drives me crazy.

    When I think of all the great music and great musical groups of *many* kinds and genres that people would probably enjoy if they enjoy Glee — and yet never even hear or, probably, try to hear.

    Wouldn’t they like Queen and other classic rock? Wouldn’t they like a capella groups of all kinds? Jazz, Broadway, and cabaret singers killing songs like Maybe This Time? And so much more. If they’re moved to actually *buy* this music because they hear it on a tv show and feel inspired to open their wallets, why is so much great music going unheard … and begging for buyers?

  13. ETA’ ¦.if someone has the release date for the singles listed above can they share’ ¦.its nice to know how long it takes to get a platinum single like Jordin.

    I think the song was released the week she went on idol, May 13.

  14. Wow, good for Jordin, but, man, that Battlefield song is ANNOYING. I can’t even listen to it.

  15. who are the 19,280 people who do not already own a copy of Journey’s ‘Don’t Stop Believing’ ’ ¦seriously, I love this song (and have owned it in various forms ‘” vinyl album, cd, download ‘” for years), but doesn’t everyone already have it? How does it keep selling on itunes year after year after years?

    I have no interest in buying that song, so I’m not sure who is? I am not a Journey fan, though. I’m guessing people who may have had the tape in the 80s and forgot about them.

    ETA: I’m also not a fan of 80s rock power ballads, so…

  16. Aw, that’s nice that Kris’ hometown is supporting him. (Or whatever metro area close by big enough to have radio stations, lol.) I do believe most of the audience impression number for LLWD is due to the regular daily spins on Z100.

  17. I think they are. Does anyone have a link to the chart that shows what radio stations are spinning the single? Evidently, a couple of radio stations in Arkansas are responsible for 25% of LLWD’s spins. So, I guess it’s getting on the airwaves somewhere in Arkansas. Link anyone?

    Here is the mediabase adds list for Kris’s single as of now:

    http://addboard.mediabase.com/SongAddHistory.asp?sngcde=ALLELLWD

    Portland, OR and Cincinatti actually have more spins last week than the Little Rock stations.

  18. 63 Kris Allen ‘Live Like We’re Dying’  23,552 (49%; lw 15,755) Total: 39,307 (93)

    No miracle, the total number is pretty bad for a full week with banner on itunes, let’s hope it takes off on radio and people start to buy but really disapointing for an idol winner.

  19. The spins in other places have picked up enough where the percentage is no longer 25%. I saw a chart a few days ago. (Someone reported these numbers and posted it here.)
    I’m actually surprised the numbers in Arkansas haven’t picked up more or that LLWD isn’t being played at more stations across the state.
    Some Christian AC station in Portland is loving LLWD! Maybe it will catch on in CC!

  20. who are the 19,280 people who do not already own a copy of Journey’s ‘Don’t Stop Believing’ ’ ¦

    I don’t own one and have no intention of owning one. Don’t Stop Believing is one of those songs that have a strange appeal in the US, but large part of the rest of the world barely heard it nor do they understand its appeal. It’s an exceptionally mediocre song.

    Well done to Jordin for reaching platinum. I didn’t think it would, but she proved me wrong. Still think it a terrible song though.

  21. what the heck has happened to Arkansas. Come on people, support your homeboy!

    I hear that over one million people in Arkansas have purchased the song and are just waiting for their dial-up iTunes downloads to finish. Then, it will be platinum.

  22. I hear that over one million people in Arkansas have purchased the song and are just waiting for their dial-up iTunes downloads to finish. Then, it will be platinum.

    ROFL, hwc. Too funny.

  23. No miracle, the total number is pretty bad for a full week with banner on itunes, let’s hope it takes off on radio and people start to buy but really disapointing for an idol winner.

    Did it really get a full banner on itunes, though? I’ve checked every day and haven’t noticed. Just heard about the smaller song banners for it on other pages (not the home page). But I could be wrong.

  24. Yay for Jordin!! I liked the song until I heard it ad nauseum on my radio station, now I’m sick of it. She sure can sell singles, can’t she???

    When did Carrie release Cowboy Casanova?

  25. I don’t know about Arkansas but Z100 in NYC is playing Kris’ song alot.But it’s pretty common for the locals to spin an Idol’s single the most. Daughtry got some big support in NC to start. That said Kris’ downloads are pretty lousy. They’re about the same as Jason Castro’s first week. Not great for an Idol winner from a popular season if you go by the tour numbers.

  26. If they’re moved to actually *buy* this music because they hear it on a tv show and feel inspired to open their wallets, why is so much great music going unheard ‘ ¦ and begging for buyers?

    The short answer to that is that record companies don’t have enough creativity to market effectively. Somethink like Glee would be the perfect opportunity to target market (to anyone clicking Glee downloads), a selection of college glee club and acapella songs. Alas, that would require doing something different than they did yesterday.

    I think one of the big failures of the music industry has been tapping into niche-targeted exposure of new music. They still have their feet in the cement boots of the same five radio formats.

  27. Other idol first single sales: Weekly sales (thousands)

    Tattoo

    34
    33
    30
    31
    33
    37
    47
    49
    77

    Crush
    166
    89
    48
    37
    47
    49
    77
    48
    49
    51
    90
    71
    66
    60
    56
    55
    56
    58
    72
    45
    48
    31
    27
    30
    128
    68
    36
    39
    33
    33
    31

    Light On
    109
    31
    15
    33
    19
    18
    21
    16
    20
    19
    21
    26
    82
    57
    37
    67
    49
    34
    30

    Albums
    David Archuleta
    182
    66
    55
    59
    56
    14
    8
    9
    9

    9
    12
    8

    David Cook
    279
    111
    87
    103
    129
    101
    19
    31
    24
    17
    16
    24
    16

  28. funny to think that Kris’s crappy coronation hymn might WAY outsell his much better single…but then again, that’s not unusual right? a lot of it has to do with the TV machine.

    so I am paranoid in wondering why he isn’t showing up everywhere on Ellen, Regis, Jay, etc. about n ow? I have a dim memory of Taylor hitting all those shows with his first post-Idol single….Seems like he’s doing a lotta radio, no mainstream TV…..

  29. Crush sold 250K downloads in 14 days versus Kris’ 39K in 10 days. That’s a pretty good reflection of what a huge Idol fanbase of tweens can do for you.

  30. hwc and mary102, I am not from Arkansas but I still hate
    to hear people make fun of other peoples states. What state
    are you from? Bet I could come up with some pretty
    funny stuff about your state. Kris will do good, his song
    has only been out a short time.

  31. Wow, WTMX in Chicago added LLWD really quickly. It was like pulling teeth to get them to add Cook’s songs. I think Kris is going to be OK.

    I think every song has its own trajectory. I think long lasting radio play is the key. Songs like Crush may sell at first but the radio play isn’t long lasting and doesn’t help with a second single. I don’t see Kris as a T-40 artist. I’m actually happier to see him get HAC spins than the coveted Z100 add. If those HAC spins lead to longevity, then I think he’s home free for now. He’s ultimately got to sell his album, but we aren’t even near that point.

  32. so I am paranoid in wondering why he isn’t showing up everywhere on Ellen, Regis, Jay, etc. about n ow? I have a dim memory of Taylor hitting all those shows with his first post-Idol single’ ¦.Seems like he’s doing a lotta radio, no mainstream TV’ ¦..

    I would imagine that Kris will start appearing on those shows after the 15th if he’s going to. That was the drop dead date for working on his album and he seems to have lots of writing/recording sessions scheduled right now. Seems kind of dumb to release the single when he wasn’t even going to be in the country to promote it, and now that he’s back he’s got to record..record..record.

  33. so I am paranoid in wondering why he isn’t showing up everywhere on Ellen, Regis, Jay, etc. about n ow? I have a dim memory of Taylor hitting all those shows with his first post-Idol single’ ¦.Seems like he’s doing a lotta radio, no mainstream TV’ ¦..

    If I remember correctly, DC did these shows later, around the time the album dropped.

  34. Kris will do all the TV promo closer to when his album drops. Right now Jive is letting radio do the work of promoting his song. And the spins onf Pop and HAC are increasing nicely. No need to panic yet but it’s obvious that Kris doesn’t have the big Idol fanbase that usually comes out in force early. Jordin didn’t either.

  35. They begin their TV appearances the week before and during the album drop. David A’s single dropped on Aug.1 last year while on tour….he did zero promotion for the single or TV appearances until the first week in Nov. aside from a few radio station appearances. That is typical.

  36. I am sitting in my house here in Arkansas and just wanted to let ya’ll know that at least a few of us have broadband internet access, electricity AND flush toilets :o)

    So…I can listen to Kris Allen’s LLWD on my old fashioned radio (in my house and in my car…yep I have one those those too!) and also on the big old Internet. Heck I can even use one of those cellular telephones to call in requests. What else do I really need?

    Oops! Forgot to say I can actually access iTunes from here and have purchased the Pass for Kris and his single…

  37. I’m from Arkansas and live in Little Rock…..its a lovely city and I have high speed internet to boot! lol……seriously…its a rural state, but the city is just like every other southern city out there. I’m hearing Kris on the radio quite a bit on both our HAC and CHR station and they are very supportive.

  38. Thats gooood mzbet. Thanks for posting! Bet you all
    even have colleges there. Kris rocks!

  39. Anyone have a web site link where I can check out weekly sales for Non-Idols that show how their singles have done over a 12 week period.

    I think the most impressive of all the stats for weekly sales is one where the single sells about the same amount week after week until it goes platinum. Big upfront sales just kind of say there is a huge fan base and the song doesn’t have good legs outside of that. Also good would be songs that start out OK and then rise as promo and radio spins increase…that means people are hearing it and liking IT, not neccessarily just liking the Artist.

  40. No need to panic yet but it’s obvious that Kris doesn’t have the big Idol fanbase that usually comes out in force early. Jordin didn’t either.

    And yet they both won their seasons.

  41. The more I listen to LLWD, the more I LOVE it. It’s a really great song for Kris and it frustrates me that it’s not doing better. But I do think it’s still very early and hopefully it will catch on. Kris needs to get on Ellen and promote!

    And congrats to Jordin, but honestly I can’t change the station fast enough when Battlefield comes on.

  42. good for the 49% sales increase for Kris… it’s a slow start but the increase is a good sign as it’s going along with the increase in spins

  43. Crush sold 250K downloads in 14 days versus Kris’ 39K in 10 days. That’s a pretty good reflection of what a huge Idol fanbase of tweens can do for you.

    To be fair, not just the tweens. Crush had more than two times the audience LLWD has and it was already top 40. But yes, I won’t disagree that it’s a good reflection of someone who has a huge fanbase and someone who hasn’t.

  44. I got offered a gift of Crush 3 times. I still don’t have it. I got offered twice on YouTube and once on like a blog. They were pedaling that song hard. It ultimately had a huge first week, impressive Top 40 play, and it’s died for all intents and purposes. It did zero for Archuleta’s second single. I’d rather see Kris’s songs grow organically if they can. I think while it’s not a barn burner from the get go, it’s got signs pointing that it will go farther. Just remember that Rome wasn’t built in a day…but it burned in one.

  45. ), but doesn’t everyone already have it?

    Uh, no. Don’t care to, either. But I would imagine that there are some younger people who are just now hearing the song, and loving it, and buying a copy.

    Looking at these stats are all a learning curve for me. While I’m surprised by Kris’s numbers, I also realize I have no idea what they really mean. :)

    While I really like Allison’s single, and will buy it, (any release date yet?), I kind of expect it to have even lower numbers. I hope I’m not the only one who buys it….

    I think the numbers for Kris, (and Allison, when her single is released), will be more meaningful when they’re out of the recording studio, and out doing some PR.

  46. Not pointing fingers but I was on some DA fanboards when crush went up for sale and it was OTT and hilarious. As the single climbed the I tunes best seller list the comments became more and more frantic. There was a huge campaign for the people who could afford it to buy multi-copies and the fan site would then get a list out of other fans to gift the single too.

    No joke…there were posts about people buying a dozen copies. Hopefully fan bases are a little smarter now. Unless 1st week sales can be sustained or go up it looks (if not is) as though the initial number was artificially arrived at…and that doesn’t always look good to people outside of the bubble.

  47. I’m not so sure people outside of the bubble know anything about what fan bases have done or haven’t done and don’t really care either. Every artist has a fanbase, and that base reflects in first week sales….not necessarily an idol thing.

  48. Crush went on to sell well over 1.5 million copies. Initial bump or campaigning aside, Crush posted great numbers over the long haul and most of those sales were to people not on the fanboards.

  49. No joke’ ¦there were posts about people buying a dozen copies. Hopefully fan bases are a little smarter now. Unless 1st week sales can be sustained or go up it looks (if not is) as though the initial number was artificially arrived at’ ¦and that doesn’t always look good to people outside of the bubble.

    I highly doubt that the DA fanbase or any other fanbase at that (outside AI stars included) would be able to sustain the sales of over 1.7M of a digital single. Chips!

  50. While I really like Allison’s single, and will buy it, (any release date yet?), I kind of expect it to have even lower numbers. I hope I’m not the only one who buys it’ ¦.

    The single, I believe can be purchased on Amazon in their download area. I don’t buy downloads from them, but I saw the page…really. I’ll be buying too after it comes out on iTUnes.

    Not pointing fingers but I was on some DA fanboards when crush went up for sale and it was OTT and hilarious. As the single climbed the I tunes best seller list the comments became more and more frantic. There was a huge campaign for the people who could afford it to buy multi-copies and the fan site would then get a list out of other fans to gift the single too.

    I’d be surprised if this doesn’t happen every year with any rabid fan base. I read some Kris fans mentioning their gifting and I am sure Adam’s and Allison’s will too. Gokey… ;) ? Like you Tess, I don’t understand why anyone would find this beneficial to an idol. They need to sink or swim on their own.

  51. good for the 49% sales increase for Kris’ ¦ it’s a slow start but the increase is a good sign as it’s going along with the increase in spins

    I may be wrong about this, but isn’t the 49% just based on the fact that the first week was just a partial week (the 15,000 from the first few days, then the increase to 23,000 because it is now a full week of sales). That would be a 49% increase, but only because the first week was a partial sales week vs a full week.

  52. “LOL Battlefield (my most hated song) went platinum?? ”

    of course… all her singles have gone platinum so far and gone top 10, really not surprising.
    —–

    “There was a huge campaign for the people who could afford it to buy multi-copies and the fan site would then get a list out of other fans to gift the single too.”

    seriously fan bulk buying does not accomplish THAT much. It had 2 weeks of airplay and was already top 40(i think) when it dropped on itunes. That more than anything helped contribute to sales plus the idol fanbase buying. Since it pretty much had steady sales after that. its some where around 1.8mil currently

  53. Like you Tess, I don’t understand why anyone would find this beneficial to an idol. They need to sink or swim on their own.

    Yeah – I don’t get the purpose of it either. I have a ton of cd’s, and I don’t own 2 copies of any of them. I’ve never understood that one for the house, and one for each car theory either. I don’t listen to any of my cd’s enough that I need one in my house and both of my cars so there won’t be the slightest chance I am without that music for even a moment.

    I do however love the people who buy 5 or 10 copies of an Idol cd and say they’re for “stocking stuffers”. I like to sit around imagining what their friend’s and families, reactions are to all getting the exact same cd.

  54. Brian has the album numbers up and it looks like Jordan’s album has fallen out of the BB 200 now there is an album at the bottom of this list that has sold 1000 copies but I do not think this means that Jordan is selling less than that it probably is a number that Brian was able to get:

    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 31 (15,000, -11 percent, 699,000 total)

    Daughtry, Leave This Town (14,000, -9 percent, 675,000/2,000 digital, -11 percent, 125,000 digital total)

    Various, Now That’s What I Call Club Hits (11,000, -26 percent, 25,000/2,000 digital total)

    Various, Now That’s What I Call Country Vol. 2 (10,000, -13 percent, 111,000)

    Soundtrack, Hannah Montana 3 (7,000, -9 percent, 457,000)

    Kelly Clarkson, All I Ever Wanted (5,000, -4 percent, 717,000/154,000 digital total)

    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 30 (4,000, +6 percent, 703,000)

    Kellie Pickler, Kellie Pickler (3,000, +7 percent, 317,000)

    Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride (3,000, +6 percent, 2.972 million)

    Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts (3,000, -3 percent, 6.846 million)

    Various, Now That’s What I Call Country (1,000, -1 percent, 381,000)

  55. I highly doubt that the DA fanbase or any other fanbase at that (outside AI stars included) would be able to sustain the sales of over 1.7M of a digital single. Chips!

    I agree. If 1000 rabid fans bought 10 copies, that would only be 10,000 copies. If 10,000 rabid fans bought 10 copies, that would still be only 100,000.

  56. “I like to sit around imagining what their friend’s and families, reactions are to all getting the exact same cd ”

    Idol fans are good at buying CDs for Xmas presents whether the person wants them or not.

  57. I do however love the people who buy 5 or 10 copies of an Idol cd and say they’re for ‘stocking stuffers’ . I like to sit around imagining what their friend’s and families, reactions are to all getting the exact same cd.

    LOL. I remember reading a post from somebody last year who had done just that and a couple of days prior to Christmas, one of her nieces made a disparaging remark about the Idol in question. The poster fumed that she almost decided to take the CD gift back and not give her anything at all. I felt like posting, “You should take it back, but you should get her a gift card or something else. Not liking your favourite Idol isn’t reason enough to cut somebody out of your gift list.”

    My pet theory about why Taylor’s CD crashed so badly after Christmas is because people returned those stocking stuffers for something they really wanted. Sure, give the CD to people who have said they want it. Not as some kind of cult initiation right.

  58. Looking at the numbers above you can see how little CD’s are selling in today’s climate;

    Kelly Clarkson All I Ever Wanted has sold 717,000 and has been out for 7 months and is selling 5000 per week.

    Daughtry has sold 675,000 and has been out for 3 months and is selling 14,000 per week.

    These are proven stars and have a proven record of selling albums. The industry is not the same. I think both albums will sell more for sure and probably be platinum.

  59. Right, The fans were just pleased when Crush was released and tended to be overzealous. The same thing did not happen with A Little Too Not Over You, by then everyone had the CD so there was no mass push to download the single.

  60. Idol bulk buying is a myth because it really does not add that much to the total albums that have been purchased. There really are not that many rabid fans out there that would be willing to buy 10 albums so it has minimal impact if done. So it is a myth that is spread around every year. And the truth is bulk buying does not work. As has been posted earlier.

  61. I may be wrong about this, but isn’t the 49% just based on the fact that the first week was just a partial week (the 15,000 from the first few days, then the increase to 23,000 because it is now a full week of sales). That would be a 49% increase, but only because the first week was a partial sales week vs a full week.

    LOL. If the Kris doomsayers can say that he had one of the weakest Idol debut weeks (and dismiss the half-week issue) then I suppose we have to grant the Kris cheerleaders the freedom to point out that it is one of the few (if not only) Idol debut single to increase sales in it’s second week (and dismiss the half-week issue). Spin. It works both ways.

  62. Good for Kris and I hope he keeps selling. I am happy to see that increase for him. I think that his numbers are skewed because of the release week.

  63. Idol bulk buying is a myth because it really does not add that much to the total albums that have been purchased. There really are not that many rabid fans out there that would be willing to buy 10 albums so it has minimal impact if done.

    The actual bulk buying is not a myth. Visit just about any Idol fansite and you’ll see people admitting to buying multiple copies. Even on this site, you will see people complaining that Amazon will only allow you to order “N” copies of an Idol’s CD (some believe it’s because Amazon doesn’t want to run out which is implausible. Amazon would just order more copies. It’s dead easy to make more especially if you know in advance how many you need. I suspect that Amazon has a lot of experience with Idol fans buying massive amounts of CDs to give their Idol more prominence on their charts and then cancelling the order before they have to pay for them).

    People do bulk buy.

    I agree with you that where the myth comes in is that it’s effective. I agree that there aren’t that many insane fans out there that will spend tonnes of money on some Idol that’s already richer than them in order to win some sort of pissing match with other Idol fans. There is generally a boisterous gaggle of fans that will attempt to do this, but I believe their numbers to be small and ineffective. Every report of “CDs purchased for the troops” have come up with relatively miniscule numbers. Attempts to boost songs/albums on iTunes or Amazon fail unless there are a LOT of people who are also buying just single copies. I’ve seen the bulk buyers try and I’ve seen them fail. And I’ve seen the numbers and known that some times, the bulk-buying posters are even lying (if they’d all bought the number they’d claimed, the SS numbers would be different).

    Nevertheless, they try to guilt others into bulk buying and prey on those with weak minds.

    Just say no to bulk buying campaigns!!!!!

  64. does anyone know the total US sales for Archuleta’s CD?
    I read that Jive will be pleased if the Christmas CD sales are 250K.

  65. I never got the multiple CD buying thing either. First, I NEVER give gifts of music to people. I rarely even talk about my favs with others, unless I know they might be inclined to like them too (as in, I know they have a similar taste in music). One of my big pet peeves is people who like to assume that what they like in music must also be what you like.

    So, yeah – I’ll wind up buying enough of the music to make sure I get all the versions I need (as in, if there are deluxe editions with extra tracks, or vids, or whatever, I’ll buy those to get those). But definitely not buying a gazillion copies.

  66. Kirsten: I agree but I am a big fan and I have never participated in bulk buying so maybe am a bit naive.

  67. Archie sold 750,000+ copies of his CD I think. Correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think he hit 800,000.

  68. ccagain: I think its some where in the 730k range??? maybe, im not entirely sure.. i know its over 700k

  69. They’re already pimping the Kris/Fray concert on the Mix hear in Chicago. The background music they’re playing for that is LLWD.

    Yeah ‘“ I don’t get the purpose of it either. I have a ton of cd’s, and I don’t own 2 copies of any of them.

    Heh. I do. I burn my Cds to Itunes. Transfer them to one or two of my iPods, etc. I wouldn’t BUY two copies, though. If I was desperate for a car copy, I’d burn that too. I think archival copies are fine. It’s mass file sharing that’s the problem.

  70. Well there is no way around it, Crush was a great hit for Archuleta and I just wandered over to youtube to see how the Crush video was doing and it is still going strong at 19.5million hits. I loved this song but I love Zero Gravity more and I hope for some great success from my favorites this year Adam, Allison & Kris but I will never, ever understand what makes one song a hit and others not. (obviously no radio play impacts this to a huge extent and yet I have NOT ONCE heard Crush in the SF Bay Area on the radio. – I wish the dj’s/radio stations would play all the songs as I am sick of all the same ones over and over and over.)

  71. I bought the digital and physical of archies… didnt feel like burning it to the comp.. lol

  72. One last thing on bulk buying, it does not work for sure. As a strategy to get your Idols numbers up it is a failure. But don’t feel guilty if you want to buy more than one copy or give a CD as a gift. I bought the Walmart version and The itunes version of David Cook’s CD and I was one of those awful people that actual gave it as a gift a time or two. I don’t feel guilty in the least and the folks that got it appreciated it. So do what you want but it is a good thing to remember that bulk buying does not help an Idol in the least.

  73. This Idol bulk buying campaign stuff cannot be proven. Anecdotal accounts of fan boards. LOL. Seriously. Archie’s Crush was a hit — well beyond his hardcore fanbase. It got extensive radio play and resonanted with “regular” music buyers. Archie’s second single wasn’t as good nor did it take off on radio. Hence, why the second one didn’t sell as well.

  74. If Kris’s single flops, then it will be without a doubt because radio stations aren’t buying Kris Allen as a ‘brand’ . Because, by way of comparison to the debut songs of last year’s guys, his is melodically superior to both Crush and Light On. In fact, it’s a superior pop song overall to Crush. And while Light On is the structurally superior track, Kris’s tune is far more radio-friendly. It kind of has a Bare Naked Ladies vibe, but not so much that it’s dated.

    Still too soon to tell, but I would blame the PR for the single – not pushing it right (itunes Fri release, lots of confusion about getting the single with the ipass, little to no itunes ads for it, etc.)

    I agree LLWD is a strong song, but I think it’s really strong in the chorus, the verses are kinda weak and boring imo. Still, it deserves more of a push to really let people know it’s out there.

  75. Still too soon to tell, but I would blame the PR for the single

    Still soon to tell how it will do, but one thing I wouldn’t blame is the PR. That one is going strong. The Itunes release day may be questionable, but last week it got the ads new singles usually do and that won’t make or break the song. What matters is radio promo, and I don’t understand how anyone can say that part is going wrong. Every week people keep saying this song doesn’t have any promo, but this song has more promo than any other idol song I can remember.
    I think the song is perfect for radio so I tend to agree with Noctem.

  76. This Idol bulk buying campaign stuff cannot be proven. Anecdotal accounts of fan boards. LOL. Seriously. Archie’s Crush was a hit ‘” well beyond his hardcore fanbase. It got extensive radio play and resonanted with ‘regular’  music buyers. Archie’s second single wasn’t as good nor did it take off on radio. Hence, why the second one didn’t sell as well.

    Here, here!! Very good points. You can’t blame Crush’s success solely on fans purchasing multiple copies. If that were true, than ALTNOY would be platinum by now. Instead, it’s only at 158,000 last I heard. The Archie fans are not as fanatical as you might think they are.

    ETA: Yeah, we did win the “Most Fanatic Fans” award for David, but that’s just an honorary title. :lol:

  77. Some great news for Jordin in BB:

    Jordin Sparks has a double dose of good news this week. Her current hit, “Battlefield,” tops the 1 million mark in paid downloads, and her 2007 hit, “Tattoo,” tops the 2 million mark. “Tattoo” is Sparks’ second song to top the 2 million download mark, following “No Air,” her 2008 collaboration with Chris Brown. Jordin is only the second American Idol alumnus to top the 2 million mark in paid downloads with two songs. Kelly Clarkson was the first to do it. Carrie Underwood and Daughtry each have one song above 2 million.

  78. i somehow think Idol Chatter forgot Jordin’s album . it sold enough last week and its drop was small enough then that it should still make it .so happy to see Battlefield reach 1 Million and Tattoo reaching 2 Million. No Air is close to 3 Million and will hopefully pass it soon.

  79. That’s cool. For some reason I thought Tattoo had sold 2 million a while ago.

  80. Kirsten was talking about the song Battlefield not the album. I think the album is out of the BB 200 this week.

  81. Kirsten was talking about the song Battlefield not the album.

    Yes, just the song. The album has a long way to go.

    i somehow think Idol Chatter forgot Jordin’s album .

    I think so too. Hopefully, well get a BB200 leak.

  82. I do hope LLWD steadily sells and builds to a decent level, but I wouldn’t hold your breath it could take as long as Battlefield.

    Last week the thought was to give Kris a break because first week sales would be double but he only had 3-4 days of sales – someone even threw out 30,000 as the expected number that would be ‘good’.
    Well it sold 23,552. (4,000 less than Battlefield, come on).

    Now the thought is the sales are low because he is only getting radio play, no TV interviews or no prominent ad on itunes (he is on the itunes ‘singles’ scroll, opening page) and he will get better sales when his album promotion gets started.

    Someone even threw out that fan base as an indicator ‘“ Kris has a low fan base’ ¦I don’t think his fan base is that low.
    Even if you account for people who already bought the album in the ipass early on I don’t think the single sales would/should be this low.
    He has decent airplay, reaching decent numbers of people’ ¦

    Kris should have better sales.

    Last year Light On, which took a long while, kept steady and built sales, had extra promotion; remember the cell phone app that played the flame/lighter image along with the song’ ¦I don’t think Kris is getting anything like that with LLWD.

    Light on achieved gold status in 15 weeks, Crush in 7 weeks, LLWD we’ll see’ ¦

  83. Last year Light On, which took a long while, kept steady and built sales, had extra promotion; remember the cell phone app that played the flame/lighter image along with the song’ ¦I don’t think Kris is getting anything like that with LLWD.

    Didn’t Kris have some phone thing like Allison’s this week that talked about the single? I remember reading it in one of the threads. You called the number and got a personal message from Kris regarding LLWD and Itunes? Maybe I imagined it.

  84. I honestly think that a lot of Kris’ fans don’t know he has a new single. Once he picks up more spins, hopefully we’ll see an increase in sales. I don’t think a major portion of Kris fans follow him on fansites/blogs so they wouldn’t know about the song. Until he gets the promotion for this single, he will sell at a slow pace. I talked to a few pepole yesterday who are fans of Kris, voted for Kris on idol, and had no clue there was a new single. Of course, they have since purchased the LLWD.

  85. who are the 19,280 people who do not already own a copy of Journey’s ‘Don’t Stop Believing’ ’ ¦
    I would imagine that there are some younger people who are just now hearing the song, and loving it, and buying a copy.

    Yup, all my little cousins love that song now.

    Not pointing fingers but I was on some DA fanboards when crush went up for sale and it was OTT and hilarious.

    Crush’s ascent was remarkable. It started climbing as soon as it was available and I think it got to #1 by like noon on Tuesday or something ridiculous. LO took a while longer to get to Top 10 by comparison, and peaked at what, 4 or 5? Both Davids had huge and slightly crazy fanbases last year that would engage in ill-advised bulk-buying campaigns, so I’ll take that difference to mean that bulk-buying fanatics can only do so much. Sure, maybe the Archies were more organized, but I think honestly, fans loved Crush a lot more than LO. Lots of DC fans didn’t download LO cuz they didn’t care for it. But that’s my opinion.

    Crush went on to sell well over 1.5 million copies. Initial bump or campaigning aside, Crush posted great numbers over the long haul and most of those sales were to people not on the fanboards.

    Yup, agreed. Just as DC fans did not bulk buy their way to LO’s platinum status just to spite Kirsten, LOL.

    I do however love the people who buy 5 or 10 copies of an Idol cd and say they’re for ‘stocking stuffers’ . I like to sit around imagining what their friend’s and families, reactions are to all getting the exact same cd.

    Yeah, I don’t illegally download music, but like a lot of normal people I know, I do occasionally borrow CDs from my family and close friends… and I generally won’t get my own copy if a friend has it unless I end up floving it, so it makes no sense to me to get the SAME CD for 10 family/friends.

    I read that Jive will be pleased if the Christmas CD sales are 250K.

    Total or opening week? If the latter… yeah, I’d be pleased too. 250K is huge numbers for a Xmas CD not from like Josh Groban or something.

    If Kris’s single flops, then it will be without a doubt because radio stations aren’t buying Kris Allen as a ‘brand’ . Because, by way of comparison to the debut songs of last year’s guys, his is melodically superior to both Crush and Light On. In fact, it’s a superior pop song overall to Crush. And while Light On is the structurally superior track, Kris’s tune is far more radio-friendly. It kind of has a Bare Naked Ladies vibe, but not so much that it’s dated.

    Agreed. Having had a chance to digest it, and Alli’s single, out of all the Idol first singles I know, LLWD is the best song, IMO. I dig it.

  86. That’s cool that ‘Battlefield’ (the song) reached platinum, I knew it would pretty soon here (it was getting pretty close for a while now). I actually dig this song, even if I’m not a Jordin fan, and hopefully this success will go some distance towards alleviating the fact that the album is doing really really really poorly in sales.

    Any numbers on ‘No Surprise’? I think it was in the 850k range last time I heard anything.

    Kris’s numbers are a little surprising, but I’m still hoping he’ll build steadily and get some airplay and the numbers will come up, because I like him. On the other hand, I’m not a huge fan of the single, so maybe that makes me hypocritical. :)

  87. Last year Light On, which took a long while, kept steady and built sales, had extra promotion; remember the cell phone app that played the flame/lighter image along with the song’ ¦I don’t think Kris is getting anything like that with LLWD.

    I agree. There is no reason why LLWD cannot go at least platinum. It has hardly had any promotion yet. If history is any indication, the winner of AI always gets lots of promotion. If he is like Cook, I think Kris fans can look forward to a Saturday Night Live appearance, a Skechers ad, all the daytime/night time talk shows, Oprah, an appearance in the commercial to promote the upcoming season of AI, appearances on the first few episodes of AI Season 9, a link to the single on the banner of the AI website, VH1 appearance, perhaps a Winter Olympics tie-in, a download of the single included with a pre-order of the album on Itunes, an Itune App. Let’s see where the single is after all this has occurred.

  88. I, for one, feel that LLWD is a strong single and should climb the charts. But I do agree that the radio program directors need to give it a chance. It’s getting harder and harder to get airplay (if you’re not one of the current established hitmakers) without a dose of good luck and timing. Even with a lot of promo, singles fail. So, I’m crossing my fingers that the stars will align for LLWD.

  89. i somehow think Idol Chatter forgot Jordin’s album . it sold enough last week and its drop was small enough then that it should still make it

    Idol chatter has updated with Jordin included –

    Jordin Sparks, Battlefield 3,000, -11 percent, 120,000

    Archie sold 750,000+ copies of his CD I think.

    I don’t think so. The last available number was 720,000, that’s about 12-13 weeks ago when Idol Chatter stopped tracking those outside BB200. The sales that week was 2000, so assuming constant sales (which is very unlikely, you’d expect it to decline) you get something like 25K extra copies sold which makes it fewer than 750K. My guess is that it’s probably somewhere around 740K.

    I found some numbers posted a few days ago, but I have no idea why Archie’s number is so far off (David Cook’s one however looks about right) –

    Year End Chart – Week 45

    Rank – Wks On Chart – Est Sales ‘000 – TITLE – Artist
    011 – 42 – 1,231 – DAVID COOK – David Cook
    061 – 25 – 513 – DAVID ARCHULETA – David Archuleta

  90. The fansites are saying Jive would like to see Archie’s CD sale 250 K, and I think that’s total, remember he is a pop singer so apparently they would be pleased with that. Don’t know how he intends to promote it.

  91. I found some numbers posted a few days ago, but I have no idea why Archie’s number is so far off (David Cook’s one however looks about right) ‘“

    Could be it’s the Billboard chart week. The BB year started the week that David Cook released his album. Archie released a week earlier so his first week sales are not included. Archie’s sales are broken up over two BB years.

  92. You know I think you guys are right I just checked Jordan’s album placement from last week and I don’t think she fell out of the BB 200 this week I was going by Brian’s post and he usually does not post albums that have fallen out of the BB 200 unless he has another source for them. He probably missed her for some reason.

  93. Since the “time” for buying a Christmas album is really short I think 250,000 for David’s album is being overly optimistic. Basically there is 8 wks of sale time…with many Christmas albums not being highlighted until the first of November. If David even gets close to 200,000 it will be astronomical….I think 100,000 to 120,000 might be realistic unless his fan base really picks up the slack.

  94. Could be it’s the Billboard chart week. The BB year started the week that David Cook released his album. Archie released a week earlier so his first week sales are not included. Archie’s sales are broken up over two BB years.

    You are right, but there is still something funny going on with Archie’s numbers in that chart – his numbers actually gone down compared to the chart the previous week which doesn’t seem possible. It’s probably has got something to do with BB year not matching up with Soundscan or something like that, I got completely confused. I think we should probably ignore that chart because it is a bit messy.

  95. Since Kris gets 9 cents per single, he’s earned $3537.63 so far off LLWD. I used to think artists got paid more than that… That’s only $90,000 for a platinum single, for goodness sake. I guess they make the big money off touring and endorsements, but STILL.

  96. Crush definitely isn’t at 1.8 mil because fans kept buying and buying it. Crush was used in television commercials for Lincoln Heights on ABC family. It was also used in radio and television commercials for New In Town. It did very well on the radio. There were plenty of opportunities for people to hear it. When people heard it they liked it and bought it.

  97. David Cook has dropped out of BB200 making it hard to track his album sales, so I’m adding up the numbers from YTD charts –
    2008
    36 RCA COOK*DAVID DAVID COOK 811,667
    2009 week 39
    48 – 428,700 – DAVID COOK – David Cook

    That gives a total of 1,240,367 for David Cook – this would be his total sales up to last week. The chart is normally leaked Friday, so we’ll have to wait a few days before getting this week’s sales figure.

    ETA – strange, supposely same chart posted by different people gives different numbers, might be another BB-Soundscan difference. This one however seems to give a sensible number, the totals calculated using the charts posted by the same person appear consistent with the numbers from Idol Chatter for the few weeks that I checked, so I’m sticking with it.

  98. If Kris’s single flops, then it will be without a doubt because radio stations aren’t buying Kris Allen as a ‘brand’ . Because, by way of comparison to the debut songs of last year’s guys, his is melodically superior to both Crush and Light On. In fact, it’s a superior pop song overall to Crush. And while Light On is the structurally superior track, Kris’s tune is far more radio-friendly. It kind of has a Bare Naked Ladies vibe, but not so much that it’s dated.

    I disagree in that I think Crush is a better pop song. And if LLWD doesn’t work out, I think it will because the buying public is more like me than I thought because I don’t like LLWD. I don’t dislike it either, but I would never pay for it or even go out of my way to listen to it. So maybe the buying public isn’t thrilled by the song either. But I still thought it would be a bigger immediate hit than it has been. And for the record, I think it’s too early to say it won’t be an eventual one. Though all three songs are generic to me, I would say that I wasn’t surprised that Crush did as well as it did. It was released in summer, yes? Has a very summer vibe to it and it’s a fairly solid pop song. Light On is so crushingly dull to me, I’m surprised it sold as well as it eventually did. But that goes back to how the buying public and I usually don’t agree. So my liking of Kris (though not liking the song) hopes I’m just as wrong about LLWD as I was about LO in terms of matching up with that overall buying public.

  99. Kitwana: If history is any indication, the winner of AI always gets lots of promotion. If he is like Cook, I think Kris fans can look forward to a Saturday Night Live appearance, a Skechers ad, all the daytime/night time talk shows, Oprah, an appearance in the commercial to promote the upcoming season of AI, appearances on the first few episodes of AI Season 9, a link to the single on the banner of the AI website, VH1 appearance, perhaps a Winter Olympics tie-in, a download of the single included with a pre-order of the album on Itunes, an Itune App. Let’s see where the single is after all this has occurred.

    Unfortunately I don’t think that we can count on Kris getting the same opportunities that Cook got last year. As far as I know he is the only idol to have appeared on SNL before the release of the album. Kelly, Carrie and Clay have been on, but only after they were established stars. His Oprah appearance was because of the success of TOML and the Olympics tie-in and it had never happened before. I know Carrie got a Skechers endorsement too, but I believe it was after she was more established, and no other idols have, to my knowledge. Carrie and David are the only idols to have been featured in an Idol commercial, thus far. All in all I’d say Cookie got some pretty great and unique promotion last year.

  100. Yup, agreed. Just as DC fans did not bulk buy their way to LO’s platinum status just to spite Kirsten, LOL.

    But, it’s an exceptionally fun theory, so I’m sticking with it :)

    I want to buy a Kris song, but I’m not sure I like LLWD enough. So, I’m still waiting to decide.

    So David A sold around 750K cd’s? That’s actually a lot higher than I thought (I really should pay more attention I guess). That’s really quite respectable for a runner up, no?

    I agree that 250K is a bit ambitious for a Christmas album. Although, I’m kind of a sucker for Christmas albums. If he does one of my favorites really well, I’ll probably be one of the lame-o’s who buy it LOL.

  101. Kris can’t count on a SNL appearance, an olympic tie-in (No Boundaries flopped where as the Rainbow song was perfect for the Olympics), Ophrah, an endorsement deal, or AI commercials. These were things Cookie earned and were not part of the winner’s package. Of course Kris will get some radio interviews, some TV talk shows, a Jingle concert or 2, some other concerts he has scheduled. So there is some upcoming marketing.

    The thing that has me a bit perplexed is where is Kris’ core fan base. Even if they aren’t on-line there should be some sort of grass roots campaign going on for him…Twits or emails or fan correspondence or some TV spots in Arkansas…something to get this show going. I’m a bit annoyed that nothing is taking off so far. The guy won and ostensibly he won big so there has to be something out there. It’s fine to sit and wait for the album…but that may be to late to get him noticed enough to get some good Christmas gigs.

    Even if Kris is tied up doing something else his PR peeps need to figure out a way to let people know his fall campaign has started.

  102. I honestly think that a lot of Kris’ fans don’t know he has a new single. Once he picks up more spins, hopefully we’ll see an increase in sales.

    Yes! This! That’s what I meant by bad PR is partly to blame for LLWD = when I heard that his own fans, hardcore fans at that, didn’t know about the single release, didn’t know how the itunes pass thing worked wrt the single, etc. That kind of confusion does not help sales.

  103. I disagree in that I think Crush is a better pop song. And if LLWD doesn’t work out, I think it will because the buying public is more like me than I thought because I don’t like LLWD. I don’t dislike it either, but I would never pay for it or even go out of my way to listen to it. So maybe the buying public isn’t thrilled by the song either. But I still thought it would be a bigger immediate hit than it has been. And for the record, I think it’s too early to say it won’t be an eventual one. Though all three songs are generic to me, I would say that I wasn’t surprised that Crush did as well as it did. It was released in summer, yes? Has a very summer vibe to it and it’s a fairly solid pop song. Light On is so crushingly dull to me, I’m surprised it sold as well as it eventually did. But that goes back to how the buying public and I usually don’t agree. So my liking of Kris (though not liking the song) hopes I’m just as wrong about LLWD as I was about LO in terms of matching up with that overall buying public.

    this. crush was and still is a darn sweet little gem of a pop song that was the right song for david to release as his debut… for some it was more ”overproduced” than they would have liked, but it was the right calling card for him to begin dismantling that ”ballad boy” image of him from idol… it reminded people that he was much more than that, and the public responded… having great vocal chops also helped sell this song, as it may have sounded more lightweight in the hands and voice of another singer… it served its purpose for him very well, and with luck, should be crossing the 2 million download mark soon – very soon we hope…. :D

  104. So David A sold around 750K cd’s? That’s actually a lot higher than I thought (I really should pay more attention I guess). That’s really quite respectable for a runner up, no?

    not too shabby – indeed. :D

  105. Hazehel That was really a good idea, thanks for bringing David’s numbers over. It looks like he sold between 2000 to 2500 copies last week.

  106. Oh and BTW Brain has Jordan’s Numbers up he missed them:

    Jordin Sparks, Battlefield (3,000, -11 percent, 120,000)

  107. I honestly think that a lot of Kris’ fans don’t know he has a new single.

    WHAT??? If that’s the case, that doesn’t bode well for Kris. The fans who were able to vote him to victory on AI should have been waiting anxiously for his single release.

  108. I do hope that 250K is not some sort of a benchmark for Archie’s Xmas album. According to that article that Kirsten posted the other day, only 110 out of 115,000 CDs released in 2008 sold 250K last year—and last year was stronger for CDs than this year. Add to that the fact that it’s an Xmas album, and that seems like a high benchmark. Not to say that he can’t make it—but I just hope that it’s not something that he’s required to hit for some reason.

  109. Unrounded numbers for album sales –

    42 DAUGHTRY LEAVE THIS TOWN 14,439 -9 15,789 675,431
    100 CLARKSON*KELLY ALL I EVER WANTED 5,414 -4 5,656 716,673
    157 SPARKS*JORDIN BATTLEFIELD 3,328 -11 3,732 120,292
    180 PICKLER*KELLIE KELLIE PICKLER 2,960 7 2,764 317,172

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