Idol Sales News – Week Ending 06/29/09

Idol Related Sales Numbers after the jump (Billboard issue date 07/11/09)


Digital Downloads

40 Jordin Sparks “Battlefield” 50876 (-7%; lw 54, 566 ) Total: 291, 466 (21)
54 Daughtry “No Surprise” 38, 082 (3%; lw 36, 817) Total: 374, 820 (38)
Kellie Pickler “Best Days of Your Life” 34, 000 (-12%; lw 38, 393) Total: 547, 000 (35)
Kelly Clarkson “I Do Not Hook Up” 31, 697 (-13%; lw 36, 631) Total: 476166 (39)
Kelly Clarkson “My Life Would Suck Without You” 19, 000 (-10%) Total: 1.98 million
David Cook “Come Back to Me” 16, 000 (-8%; lw 17, 786 ) Total: 232, 000 (91)
Rascal Flatts “Here Comes Goodbye” 8, 000 (-12%) Total: 506, 000 **NOW GOLD**
Kris Allen “Heartless” 7, 000 (-31%) Total: 264, 000
Brooke White “Radio Radio” 7, 000 (NEW) Total: 7, 000
Kris Allen “No Boundaries” 6, 000 (-27%) Total: 276, 000
Adam Lambert “Want” 6, 000 (NEW) Total: 6, 000
Adam Lambert “Mad World” 6, 000 (-24%) Total: 224, 000


Albums:

Kelly Clarkson “All I Ever Wanted” 7, 000 (-13%) Total: 629, 000 Digital: 1, 000 (-12 percent%) Total: 135, 000
Carrie Underwood “Carnival Ride” 7, 000 (-26%) Total: 2.91 million
Kellie Pickler “Kellie Pickler” 6, 000 (-24%) Total: 255, 000
David Cook “David Cook” 6, 000 (-27%%) Total: 1.19 million Digital: 1, 000 (-15%) Total: 145, 000
Daughtry “Daughtry” 5, 000 (-19%) Total: 4.48 million Digital: 1, 000 (23%) Total:3 71, 000
Michael Johns “Hold Back My Heart” 5, 000 (NEW) Total: 5, 000/2, 000 digital
Carrie Underwood “Some Hearts” 4, 000 (-19%) Total: 6.80 million
Adam Lambert “Season 8 Favorite Performances” 1, 000 digital (-38 percent) Total: 33, 000

Rounded numbers Brian Mansfield over at Idol Chatter

MJ Numbers:
2 Michael Jackson “Thriller” 167, 444 (3, 551%; lw 4, 586) Total: 1, 401, 897 (OFF)
3 Michael Jackson ” Man in The Mirror” 164, 642 (10, 261%; lw 1, 589) Total: 473, 816 (OFF)
4 Michael Jackson “Billie Jean” 158, 493 (3, 966%; lw 3, 898) Total: 1, 084, 127 (OFF) **NOW PLATINUM**
6 Michael Jackson “Way You Make Me Feel” 136, 330 (7, 108%; lw 1, 893) Total: 538, 464 (OFF) **NOW GOLD**
7 Michael Jackson “Beat It” 133, 765 (3, 428%; lw 3.792) Total: 862, 137 (OFF)
9 Michael Jackson “Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough” 125, 332 (4, 293%; lw 2, 853) Total: 789, 468 (OFF)
12 Michael Jackson “Smooth Criminal” 111, 118 (7, 153%; lw 1, 532) Total: 456, 928 (OFF)
13 Michael Jackson “Black Or White” 109, 584 (11, 327%; lw 959) Total: 299, 223 (OFF)
14 Michael Jackson “P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)” 105, 801 (3, 599%; lw 2, 685) Total: 563, 142 (OFF) **NOW GOLD**
17 Michael Jackson “Rock With You” 89, 581 (5, 424%: lw 1, 373) Total: 399, 997 (OFF)
20 Michael Jackson “Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin'” 76, 859 (7, 420%; lw 1, 022) Total: 380601 (OFF)
23 Michael Jackson “Bad” 73, 718 (9, 690%; lw 753) Total: 226, 204 (OFF)
28 Michael Jackson “You Are Not Alone” 66, 827 (15, 477%; lw 429) Total: 155, 373 (OFF)
29 Jackson 5 “I’ll Be There” 65, 873 (1, 833%; lw 3, 407) Total: 285, 044 (OFF)
31 Jackson 5 “I Want You Back” 64, 186 (2, 893%; lw 2, 211) Total: 562, 363 (OFF) **NOW GOLD**
32 Michael Jackson “Dirty Diana” 62, 433 (8, 202%; lw 752) Total: 200, 980 (OFF)
34 Jackson 5 “ABC” 60, 020 (2, 384%; lw 2, 416) Total: 556, 574 (OFF) **NOW GOLD**
35 Michael Jackson “Remember The Time” 58, 748 (7, 775%; lw 746) Total: 175, 741 (OFF)
37 Michael Jackson “Human Nature” 57, 138 (7, 702%; lw 753) Total: 192, 155 (OFF)
48 Michael Jackson “Will You Be There” 41, 816 (7, 911%; lw 522) Total: 127, 506 (OFF)
50 Jacksons “Shake Your Body (Down To the Ground)” 40, 877 (5, 902%; lw 681) Total: 187, 341 (OFF)
51 Michael Jackson “Off the Wall” 40, 809 (999; lw 564) Total: 168, 699 (OFF)
62 Michael Jackson “You Rock My World” 33, 426 (999; lw 367) Total: 121, 209 (OFF)
70 Michael Jackson “Scream” 29, 715 (999; lw 317) Total: 99, 348 (OFF)
72 Jackson 5 “Never Can Say Goodbye” 29, 493 (999; lw 565) Total: 115, 632 (OFF)
75 Michael Jackson “Ben” 29, 082 (999; lw 363) Total: 89, 899 (OFF)
78 U.S.A. For Africa “We Are The World” 27, 033 (999; lw 601) Total: 149, 204 (OFF)
84 Michael Jackson “Girl is Mine” 24, 919 (999; lw 266) Total: 89, 522 (OFF)
91 Michael Jackson “She’s Out of My Life” 21, 577 (999; lw 204) Total: 69, 484 (OFF)
96 Jackson 5 “Got To Be There” 20, 361 (999; lw 324) Total: 68, 162 (OFF)
100 Michael Jackson “Working Day and Night” 19, 598 (999; lw 290) Total: 64144 (OFF)
108 Michael Jackson “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You” 18, 338 (999; lw 156) Total: 53, 975 (OFF)
109 Michael Jackson “Heal the World” 18, 247 (999; lw 141) Total: 51, 166 (OFF)
112 Michael Jackson “Leave Me Alone” 17, 930 (999; lw 128) Total: 44, 030 (OFF)
115 Jackson 5 “Love You Save” 17, 765 (999; lw 449) Total: 96, 793 (OFF)
116 Jacksons “Can You Feel It?” 17, 657 (999; lw 325) Total: 83, 031 (OFF)
119 Michael Jackson “In The Closet” 16, 960 (999; lw 139) Total: 4, 6875 (OFF)
120 Paul McCartney & Michael Jackson “Say Say Say” 16, 685 (999; lw 279) Total: 50, 305 (OFF)
125 Jackson 5 “Dancing Machine” 16, 375 (999; lw 431) Total: 108, 584 (OFF)
136 Jackson 5 “Who’s Lovin’ You” 15, 288 (999; lw 373) Total: 52, 871 (OFF)
137 Michael Jackson “Lady In My Life” 15, 128 (999; lw 205) Total: 56, 110 (OFF)
142 JMichael Jackson “Butterflies” 14, 533 (999; lw 280) Total: 77, 063 (OFF)
143 Michael Jackson “Rockin’ Robin” 14, 510 (999; lw 471) Total: 106, 232 (OFF)
152 Michael Jackson “Another Part of Me” 12, 805 (999; lw 100) Total: 33, 185 (OFF)
158 Michael Jackson “Give in To Me” 12, 506 (999; lw 92) Total: 28, 846 (OFF)
162 Michael Jackson “Jam” 11, 984 (999; lw 128) Total: 35, 390 (OFF)
169 Michael Jackson “They Don’t Care About Us” 11, 621 (999%; lw 128) Total: 35, 052 (OFF)
178 Michael Jackson “Who is It” 11, 025 (999; lw 87) Total: 27, 918 (OFF)
195 Michael Jackson “Earth Song” 9, 907 (999; lw 107) Total: 32, 624 (OFF)
199 Michael Jackson “We Are The World (Demo)” 9, 675 (999%; lw 37) Total: 24, 190 (OFF)

Albums:
1 JACKSON*MICHAEL NUMBER ONES 107, 808 4, 417 1, 932, 838
2 JACKSON*MICHAEL ESSENTIAL 102, 023 1, 986 543, 057
3 JACKSON*MICHAEL THRILLER 101, 042 277 4, 588, 925
4 JACKSON*MICHAEL OFF THE WALL 32, 552
5 JACKSON 5 ULTIMATE COLLECTION 17, 895
6 JACKSON*MICHAEL BAD 16, 900
7 JACKSON*MICHAEL DANGEROUS 14, 113
8 JACKSON*MICHAEL GREATEST HITS HISTORY VOLUME 1 11, 978
9 JACKSON*MICHAEL ULTIMATE COLLECTION 10, 930

Please post them when you find them. Thanks!

About Kirsten 3046 Articles
Kirsten has had a long love affair with numbers. Marry that with her love of cheese and the Numbers Threads at MJs were born.

58 Comments

  1. Anyone know how Michael Johns CD did. I don’t expect it to well because I absolutely love it!!! LOL I can’t stop listening to it. To me it’s REAL music and unfortunately that doesn’t always get it in the marketplace. NO gimicks, just real music sang by a hot man with an AWESOME voice!

  2. I got Michael’s CD also..And I am just loving it too. I’m sure the Michael Jackson (R.I.P.) death did’t help anyone’s sales this week.

  3. Brian Mansfield has the numbers HERE

    Digital Tracks:

    Jordin Sparks, Battlefield (Main Version) (51,000, -7 percent, 291,000 total)
    Daughtry, No Surprise (38,000, 3 percent, 375,000)
    Kellie Pickler, Best Days of Your Life (34,000, -12 percent, 547,000)
    Kelly Clarkson, I Do Not Hook Up (32,000, -13 percent, 476,000)
    Kelly Clarkson, My Life Would Suck Without You (19,000, -10 percent, 1.98 million)
    David Cook, Come Back to Me (16,000, -8 percent, 232,000)
    Rascal Flatts, Here Comes Goodbye (8,000, -12 percent, 506,000)
    Kris Allen, Heartless (7,000, -31 percent, 264,000)
    Brooke White, Radio Radio (7,000, debut, 7,000)
    Kris Allen, No Boundaries (6,000, -27 percent, 276,000)
    Adam Lambert, Want (6,000, debut, 6,000)
    Adam Lambert, Mad World (6,000, -24 percent, 224,000)

    Albums:

    Kelly Clarkson, All I Ever Wanted (7,000, -13 percent, 629,000 total/1,000 digital, -12 percent, 135,000 digital total)
    Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride (7,000, -26 percent, 2.91 million)
    Kellie Pickler, Kellie Pickler (6,000, -24 percent, 255,000)
    David Cook, David Cook (6,000, -27 percent, 1.19 million/1,000 digital, -15 percent, 145,000)
    Daughtry, Daughtry (5,000, -19 percent, 4.48 million/1,000 digital, 23 percent, 371,000)
    Michael Johns, Hold Back My Heart (5,000, debut, 5,000/2,000 digital)
    Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts (4,000, -19 percent, 6.80 million)
    Chris Botti, Chris Botti Live in Boston (3,000, -42 percent, 115,000)
    Adam Lambert, Season 8 Favorite Performances (1,000 digital, -38 percent, 33,000)

  4. I downloaded Want, along with 5,999 other Adam fans, but don’t tell Adam. ;)

  5. It’s amazing that Heartless is still selling, despite not receiving any radio play, and since it’s been over a month since the finale.

  6. Go Kris and Heartless!

    Damn, look at those drops! Only Daughtry’s single is even close to steady. Did that just happen to the idols or was it across the board? So much for the hope that the MJ rush would cause an overall chart increase in sales! LOL.

  7. Who are the folks still buying Carrie’s first album (almost 4 years old) and Daughtry’s album (almost 3 years old)?

  8. jpfan
    Jul 1st, 2009 at 3:55 pm
    ‘Who are the folks still buying Carrie’s first
    album (almost 4 years old) and Daughtry’s album (almost 3 years old)?’

    This is something I would like answered too. Strange!!
    very strange!!!

  9. Who are the folks still buying Carrie’s first album (almost 4 years old) and Daughtry’s album (almost 3 years old)?

    If you check out Brian’s airplay posts, songs from those two albums are still getting a ton of spins, so I’m guessing there are gonna be folks who are stragglers who finally decide they want those albums after crossing a certain level of familiarity with the songs? For Carrie, I bet she’s still winning new fans everyday who might just pick up her old album after deciding they like her current one.

    Hmm… MJ’s debut numbers aren’t looking too great for his first post-AI album. Is it the season? Much lower numbers than Elliot’s sophomore effort and Melinda’s debut. I hope my dear Brookie does better and has better material on her album. I’m intrigued to hear her cover of Use Somebody. I heard the new Colbie Cailet (sp?) single on radio, and it’s so average– the only reason it’s getting play is because of her past hits (Bubbly, Realize).

  10. The amazing thing about S5 wasn’t that so many Idols released albums. It was that so many charted so high in the BB200. If I recall, six albums from that Season charted in the Top 10 of the BB200 with Daughtry, Taylor, Elliott, and Kat scoring top 3 or better debuts.So even though music sales have collapsed, the ranking of albums would still apply. I think S5’s huge ratings and buzz made that possible.

    The amount of money 19R throws around in promoting Idol albums is amazing. Indie artists like Michael Johns are just out there on their own. So far except for the Davids, the other Idols that have released albums from S7 including one signed by 19 have struggled for sales. I can’t see Brooke (indie) having a huge first week either.

    Jason Castro has a shot because he’s on a major label but he could get overshadowed by the all the S8 album releases coming this fall.

  11. I can’t see Brooke (indie) having a huge first week either.

    I definitely don’t think it’ll be huge, but Melinda debuted at somewhere around 10K with not a lot of promo and long after her season was through, right? That’s why I was expecting around as much for Michael Johns, and asking if his low numbers have to do with seasonal slumps in album numbers.

  12. I think Brooke could sell 10K albums. Her singles have done Ok. Maybe some fans didn’t like the direction of Michael Johns’ album although it got very good reviews. Maybe the Jackson death depressed album sales for everyone else.

    While Elliott’s first album did great, the second has really suffered from the Idol sophmore jinx and the indie stigma. And the fact that the first single couldn’t break into the Top 40.

  13. I expected Michael Johns at least what Melinda sold or what Elliott’s sophomore album sold. Those numbers are terrible.

    Is NB the worst selling coronation song? Not that it will make a difference when the real music comes out but its probably a reflection of how much that song sucks.

  14. Does anybody know how many units the average indie album sells? I’m not even sure how exactly to define “indie,” and I don’t have a clue how they sell in general.

  15. Is NB the worst selling coronation song?

    I think Jordin Sparks will still have the worst selling coronation song. Her song sold 279k, so Kris should pass it easily next week.

    As for Michael Johns’ album, is it possible that there may be distribution problem? Isn’t it unusual that such a high percentage of sales are from downloads (2000 out of 5000)? I’d expect more than 10,000 sales with 2000 downloads.

  16. I think Jordin Sparks will still have the worst selling coronation song.

    This is fascinating to me, that TPTB decided to go for the songwriting contest again one year after it generates the worst-selling coronation song ever. And then, lo and behold the Magic Rainbow exceeds expectations and ends up becoming the best-selling coronation ever, and what do TBTB decide to do? Let’s scrap the contest and get hire songwriters! And now it appears we’ve ended up with what will be the second worst-selling coronation song ever. That coronation song committee (if there is one) must be full of geniuses.

    ETA: We’ve been complaining about Jordin’s new album cover, but the new cover for Phil Stacey’s album looks TERRIBLE. Maybe it’s not the cover. I hope not…

  17. Oh, but Magic Rainbow is a terrible song. I hate it more than This Is My Now, or No Boundaries, or any other coronation song. It’s David Cook that sold it, the song would tank if done by anyone else.

  18. Yikes, Michael Johns. That’s a lot worse than I expected. Idols who released their albums a lot later after their season have sold much more in the first week. I doubt he’ll be on the Billboard 200 next week.

    As for the rest of it – drops all around. I guess it’s the Jackson effect?

    ETA: I sort of like NB. *runs and hides in shame*

  19. See, I actually think No Boundaries is the best coronation song Idol has ever generated (though that isn’t saying much). I can’t really put my finger on it, but I love both Kris and Adam’s version of the song. It’s catchy as hell, corny lyrics and all.

    IMO, that silly song about the rainbows was the worst coronation song ever. I mean, that song is the epitome of cliche’. The fact that the lyrics include a “magic rainbow” automatically makes it hideous. But David Cook found a way to make it a hit song. Go figure. I would have loved to hear DC sing Adam’s rockish version of No Boundaries. I bet it would have been a hit.

  20. That’s why I was expecting around as much for Michael Johns, and asking if his low numbers have to do with seasonal slumps in album numbers.

    To be honest, I think it’s the material. It’s old, or it sounds old. I like his bluesy soulful stuff, but this did not impress me enough to buy it.

    But, it also could be that there only was room for one MJ on the sales racks this week and next week will be better.

    I think folks just liked Melinda and Elliott (and their material) more — they both did go MUCH farther in their respective years than MJ did in his….

  21. To be honest, I think it’s the material. It’s old, or it sounds old. I like his bluesy soulful stuff, but this did not impress me enough to buy it.

    I think it’s the material *plus* the fact that his fanbase shrunk considerably *plus* the fact that his fanbase already had half the album from his pre-Idol release (possibly leading some to buy only the few new songs) *plus* the fact that it didn’t have any promo to reach new audiences.
    I still thought with all that taken into consideration, he’d clear at least 10K.

    But, it also could be that there only was room for one MJ on the sales racks this week and next week will be better.

    I don’t think we’ll ever get numbers for this album again, unless Brian pulls another “special request” post and digs below the BB200. Sorry if that’s harsh, but I think it’s a likely scenario. You normally don’t do better than your opening week unless a single takes off.

    I think folks just liked Melinda and Elliott (and their material) more ‘” they both did go MUCH farther in their respective years than MJ did in his’ ¦

    ITA.

  22. You normally don’t do better than your opening week unless a single takes off.

    I don’t know if that rule applies to a new act, especially one on an indie. Even though they theoretically have fanbases, any idol releasing this long after their season ends, with a tiny promo budget to boot, is essentially starting over IMO. And he is apparently going for airplay in a few weeks, so anything can happen. He may end up selling more than this one week before its all over.

  23. I don’t know if that rule applies to a new act, especially one on an indie. Even though they theoretically have fanbases, any idol releasing this long after their season ends, with a tiny promo budget to boot, is essentially starting over IMO.

    For most new Indie acts, I agree… I guess I don’t see MJ that way because he does have his Idol fanbase, isn’t that far removed from his season (Ace and Melinda took way longer), and mostly because all the current signs do not show where he’d gain the added exposure needed to reach new audiences. I’m curious though – Did any other Indie Idol have a better selling week than their debut? Ace (5K), Elliott (20K), Taylor (9K), Melinda (10K?)… All of them Indie without much promo and without a big single to sell the album. I also think it’s sort of a catch 22 – once the initial numbers are bad, you have less money to push into promo, so you can’t reach new people to help boost sales…

    Sorry, I know this isn’t very rainbows and puppies, and it might be overly pessimistic, but I’ve seen that trajectory too often to believe this one will turn out different. At least without concrete reasons to.

  24. Sorry, I know this isn’t very rainbows and puppies, and it might be overly pessimistic, but I’ve seen that trajectory too often to believe this one will turn out different. At least without concrete reasons to.

    No worries. I’m not a big mj fan so no apologies on the not-being-optimistic front necessary. I like him fine but not more than I like most of the season 7 crew, save Brooke and Cookie. Maybe Archie. I’m just trying to be fair here.

    Out of that list you posted, the only one I could see possibly having a better selling week than their debut is Elliot, since he might go on to have a nice sized pop hit with his second song. The rest do not have much of a chance. I am holding out the possibility for mj because his single has an add date on HAC and because someone came on last week(?) and said his big promo push hasn’t started yet. 5K is not a hard hurdle to climb, so I think he may have a shot. Maybe. So we’ll see.

    And I do think that this is a late release for an idol. I think if you don’t get your stuff out before the next season ends, you run the risk of people having moved on to the next crop. Especially if you finished all the way in 8th place last time, “shock” book or no. He still retains some of his fanbase of course, but probably not much more than any regional act that got picked up by a small indie. So to me, he’s starting from scratch again.

    But opening with the same numbers as Ace Young is not a great sign, frankly.

  25. ^^ I didn’t know HOMS had an HAC add date. Do you happen to know when that is? If it does well on HAC, that very well could change the picture for the better.
    I thought I heard somewhere it already had an HAC add date and didn’t do anything on that format, that’s why I assumed it was dead anywhere but on AC.

    I see your point about him being a late release, too. I guess once a certain point is crossed, it’s just the hardcore devoted fans anyway, so it doesn’t really matter if it’s one and a half years down the line, or 4 years.

  26. jpfan
    Jul 1st, 2009 at 3:55 pm
    ‘Who are the folks still buying Carrie’s first
    album (almost 4 years old) and Daughtry’s album (almost 3 years old)?’

    Because many people are still just now getting to know them or like their singles enough to purchase the entire album. Both have numerous singles that get played on the radio every single day. I didn’t buy Daughtry’s album until last year. And while we all know Daughtry, doesn’t mean that others knew they were around for 3 plus years. Carrie’s becoming more ubiquitous outside of country. Older albums still sell. People still buy Kelly’s Breakaway. They all pick up new fans who also want their older catalog. *shrugs*

  27. Regarding MJ’s album there were a lot of reports of people not being able to find the album, stores that carried it sold out quickly of what stock they had, or many places just were not carrying it, and even though I am pretty sure the Canadian numbers are not counted in the Soundscan numbers, MJ’s album is not being released until July 14th here, including iTiunes. If I’d known, I would have pre-ordered from Amazon.com and more people perhaps would have pre-ordered if they knew it was going to be hard to find.

    Back to the big sellers, great or very popular albums are like Energizer Bunnies, they kept selling and selling. Radio play and word of mouth and new fans sometimes new generations discovering that music. After all Michael Jackson was still selling copies of Thriller BEFORE he died. I mean I just bought my first AC/DC albums this year. Better late than never.

  28. Anyone know Elliot’s numbers? I’ve been listening to his album and I gotta say it’s brilliant – far better than his debut (Grammy potential IMO). The first single he’s gone with is not the best song though.

  29. ^^ Last week Brian gave us an update on off-chart albums and singles. I believe he had Elliott’s album at 39K. It’s not on the Billboard 200 which means it probably sells less than 2-3K a week. Generally speaking the only albums we get weekly updates on are the ones charting on the BB200, although this week I did notice Brian gave the digital numbers for Adam’s compilation album, which isn’t charting on the overall chart.

  30. Kris Allen:
    Heartless 7,000 x .99 = $6,930.00
    No Bondaries 6,000 x 1.29 = $7,740.00
    Total —————————$14,670.00
    (data available on 2 singles/0 album)
    11 singles and 1 album compilation —$1,072,949.70

    Adam Lambert:
    Mad World 6,000 x .99 = $5,940.00
    Album Compilation 1,000 x 9.99 = $9,990.00
    Total————————————$15,930.00
    (data available on 1 single and 1 album)
    13 singles and 1 album compilation — $917,571.00

    I’m going to go over the figures again, getting individual sales totals for each single sold starting from week one. I want to make sure my figures are completely accurate. Some of single totals are rounded (Brian’s totals), some have been to the penny (Kirsten’s).

    The figures provided are a running tally of sales starting from week 1 adding singles/album sales week to week based on the Top 200 Digital Tracks Chart. Does not include ringtones, videos, sales of album or singles that fell off the top 200, or i-tune pass.

    Thanks

  31. Regarding MJ’s album there were a lot of reports of people not being able to find the album, stores that carried it sold out quickly of what stock they had, or many places just were not carrying it,

    I think this is a more reasonable explanation than either the material in the album or the supposedly shrinking fanbase. I just don’t see why the download number should make such a big portion of the sales otherwise. For the other albums, it’s something like 1 out of 6 to 8 of the albums sold, for Michael Johns’ album it’s 2 out of 5. If they can get the album to the store then we should be able to see more reasonable numbers and we may see increased sales over the coming weeks.

  32. Am I correct thinking that the numbers for Adam & Kris for Mad World & Heartless are just since AI ended? I thought I had read (here) that the numbers during Idol were not ever released …

    If that is so, one would expect that there total sales for those are actually a lot higher since many of us purchase right away. Actually, I have been surprised that they are both still selling and Adam’s album was still on the ITunes top 100 (I think I saw it yesterday) very recently. Who is still buying these?

  33. I think this is a more reasonable explanation than either the material in the album or the supposedly shrinking fanbase. I just don’t see why the download number should make such a big portion of the sales otherwise.

    No doubt distribution is a problem, however that’s part and parcel of being an Indie artist, more often than not. Good distribution, and more importantly – good placement and showcase in stores – costs money. Major labels have that money, Indies have less of it.
    I do have to say that the digital sales portion is always larger for new albums than it is for older albums. Digital sales decline a lot faster than physical album sales, so you wouldn’t expect a new album to have the same physical/digital breakdown as old albums anyway. That being said, 2/3 is indeed quite radical.

    If they can get the album to the store then we should be able to see more reasonable numbers and we may see increased sales over the coming weeks.

    But since the album sold what it did, it’s very hard to believe they’ll increase the stock significantly. The retailers have no reason to do so.

  34. The reason that people are probably still buy Daughtry and Underwood even though their albums are older is because they are a lot cheaper now. A lot of times I see them go on sale for $7! I think Daughtry is $6.99 right now!

    I think Elliott did well because didn’t he partner up with Target or something? I remember something about that and that’s why they also released a Christmas cd together. I actually don’t see Michael John’s cd in stores so that’s a possibility about why people aren’t buying it- they didn’t know it’s out.

  35. Michael’s full album was streamed on AOL, so people didn’t have to buy it to hear it right away.

    Many stores didn’t have it in stock.

    MJackson died and the focus shifted to nostalgia.

    I’m waiting to buy the physical cd or will end up ordering it from Amazon to get one. The last time I bought a full album from itunes I wished I had bought the physical cd.

  36. evanjane
    Jul 1st, 2009 at 8:37 pm
    Kris Allen:
    Heartless 7,000 x .99 = $6,930.00
    No Bondaries 6,000 x 1.29 = $7,740.00
    Total ‘”’”’”’”’”’”’”’”’”$14,670.00
    (data available on 2 singles/0 album)
    11 singles and 1 album compilation ‘”$1,072,949.70

    Adam Lambert:
    Mad World 6,000 x .99 = $5,940.00
    Album Compilation 1,000 x 9.99 = $9,990.00
    Total’”’”’”’”’”’”’”’”’”’”’”’”$15,930.00
    (data available on 1 single and 1 album)
    13 singles and 1 album compilation ‘” $917,571.00

    I’m going to go over the figures again, getting individual sales totals for each single sold starting from week one. I want to make sure my figures are completely accurate. Some of single totals are rounded (Brian’s totals), some have been to the penny (Kirsten’s).

    The figures provided are a running tally of sales starting from week 1 adding singles/album sales week to week based on the Top 200 Digital Tracks Chart. Does not include ringtones, videos, sales of album or singles that fell off the top 200, or i-tune pass.

    Thanks

    Why? What’s the purpose in doing this? Unless you’ve got the pre-finale sales numbers for all those songs (during the season), any dollar comparison of the two will be invalid. Adam and Kris aren’t competing any more, are they? I could have sworn that Kris was declared the winner. I’m just glad to see both Kris and Adam on the charts still. Also, if you insist, you should make sure to include the music videos sold on I-Tunes, they had charts too didn’t they? At $1.49 a pop, that might make a difference. Still don’t see the point, it’s the releases in November that count. But, have fun!

    The fact that Mad World is still on any charts is amazing to me since it was song during the top 8 week. I’m not surprised about Heartless (great song) or No Boundaries (coronation song), especially since both were performed in the last two weeks of the season.

  37. MJackson died and the focus shifted to nostalgia.

    Now that I could buy. It seems non-Jackson sales were decreased all around in the wake of Jackson’s death, so all the new releases this week could have taken a hit. So I’ll give Johns the benefit of a doubt that he might have sold a bit more under normal circumstances.

    The out of stock stories happen for every single idol, especially ones on indies, so I don’t know if I’m going to accept that explanation.

  38. unfortunately for Michael Johns, I think his sales inadvertently suffered from the more popular MJ’s death. people who went in with 14 dollars ready to buy his album must’ve heard of MJ’s death and decided to spend that 14 dollars on the King Of Pop MJ instead. Lot of factors may be in place but I think that may be one of them.

  39. The figures provided are a running tally of sales starting from week 1 adding singles/album sales week to week based on the Top 200 Digital Tracks Chart.

    That is incorrect. These numbers have only been accumulated since the finale.

  40. And yes, it is unfortunate for new artists introducing new albums at this time – having a memorabilia for Michael Jackson will most likely take priority over trying out the sounds of someone new. Specially now that disposable income is vanishing.

    One interesting thing though, Adam’s album sales is ranking again in Itunes TOp 100 starting yesterday . Same as Madworld music video.
    http://www.apple.com/itunes/top-100/albums/

    I think if an album , single or music video continue to rank at iTunes Top 100 this means that the artist’s attraction is widening and may be going beyond the original TV Viewing fanbase. This will be a good sign for the artist’s longevity specially if this will hold until a new album/single/ music video is released.

    I wonder if previous American Idol Finalists also continued to have their TV performance album sell , long after the season had closed. Album sales would be significant because this would mean the consumer’s are accepting the singer’s artistry in its entirety.

    Regarding total sales : Unless 19E will release the figures, I am not sure if we can tally the dollar sales of Kris and Adam’s recordings from the Billboard/Nielsen Soundscan data .

  41. It is not my intent to upset anyone. Most are interested in the Idol sales, I’m merely showing the monies earned. I’ve stated Videos are not included, as well as, Ringtones ($1.49 a pop) and the I-tune pass ($16.99 a pop). I am working with the figures available, overstating, I’m certain the album compilation dollar amount, as it was a complete the album, meaning I’m multiplying by the full value of 9.99. With that in mind, album sales should reflect at least some of the sales earned during Idol.

    Perhaps, you’re not interested in the figures, CindyM, but maybe others might be curious. David Cook’s fans keep a close eye to his sales, which I find very informative. You’re disapproval is duly noted. I’m certain there won’t be much more to report in the coming weeks.

    Adam Lambert — Sales

    Mad World 224,000 x .99 = $221,760.00
    No Boundaries 68,000 x 1.29= $87,720.00
    A Change Gonna Come 62,788 x 1.29 =$87,720.00
    One 45,509 x .99 = $45,053.91
    Cryin’ 34,647 x .99 = $34,300.53
    Tracks of My Tears 25,960 x .99 = $25,700.40
    Feeling Good 24,637 x .99 = $24,390.63
    Ring of Fire 23,000 x .99 = $22,770.00
    Whole Lotta Love 14,454 x .99 = $14,309.46
    Black or White 11,261 x .99 = $11,148.39
    If I Can’t Have You 11,151 x .99 = $11,039.49
    Born To Be Wild 10,450 x .99 = $10345.50
    Album Compilation 33,000 x 9.99 = $329,670.00
    TOTAL SALES: $919,204.83 (I had understated Adam’s figures by apx. $1500.00)

    Kris Allen — Sales

    No Boundaries 276,000 x 1.29 = $356,040.00
    Heartless 264,000 x .99 = $261,360.00
    Ain’t No Sunshine 104,765 x .99 = $103,717.35
    Apologize 59,491 x .99 = $58,896.09
    Falling Slowly 37,892 x .99 = $37,513.08
    To Make You Feel My Love 26,525 x .99 = $26,259.75
    What’s Goin’ On 21,060 x 1.29 = $27,167.40
    The Way You Look Tonight 10,884 x .99 = $10,775.16
    Come Together 9,839 x .99 = $9,740.61
    She Works Hard For The Money 8,651 x .99 = $8,564.49
    How Sweet It Is 7,000 x .99 = $6,930.00
    Album Compilation 16,212 x 9.99 = $161,957.88
    TOTAL SALES: $1,068,921.80 (I had overstated Kris’ figures by $4,000)

    I think some people need to lighten up a bit. I’ll try not to take it too personally. ::grin:: As it’s been said a thousand times before, it’s the November albums that really matter.

    I, initially, started this to see how single sales compared to album sales. (Kris was selling more singles and Adam’s albums were higher. I wanted to see how that translated into dollars.) There’s been a debate about the decline of the album with more singles being purchased these days. My 15 year old son has an eclectic mix of songs on his I-Pod, Pat Benatar’s Hell Is For Children, for one, which took me by surprise. I told him he was the reason there’s a decline in album sales, picking and choosing singles to buy. He said, he couldn’t afford to buy full albums @9.99 an album. I would normally agree with him, but I’m the one that pays for the I-tune cards. By the time I get around to downloading anything the money is usually tapped out. LOL

    I suppose this should come with a warning for those with issues. J/K

  42. “I wonder if previous American Idol Finalists also continued to have their TV performance album sell , long after the season had closed. Album sales would be significant because this would mean the consumer’s are accepting the singer’s artistry in its entirety.” –Animated

    David Cook had significant sales during the week after Idol. I believe someone more informed could give you those figures. Last year there was no Album Compilation and if I’m not mistaken the I-tune songs were only available that week at the most. I believe David in just that week’s time outsold Kris and Adam. As was stated above, time will tell what the consumers are accepting.

    “Regarding total sales : Unless 19E will release the figures, I am not sure if we can tally the dollar sales of Kris and Adam’s recordings from the Billboard/Nielsen Soundscan data .”—Animated

    Then why report any numbers at all? It seemed significant when some in the Industry reported Adam Lambert’s album was outselling Kris Allen’s album. I, simply, was curious to see if that was a true representation of monies earned. Those in the record industry seem to be working with the numbers available to them as well. I don’t think it should really cause such a fuss. Again it’s what’s sold with the “real” album that matters.

    YMMV

  43. Undercooked — Yes, I meant week 1 post-idol finale. I’ve been doing the totals on this thread for several weeks now, in which, I made that clear. I’m well aware after reading several of the posts that these numbers are not sitting well with Adam fans. They’re only numbers. If the totals showed differently, I’m sure no one would have any complaints.

    It was initially fun to do, but has taken some time to compile the figures and make sure they’re accurate, barring any human error. There won’t be much to report soon.

    For those interested in David Cook’s numbers post-idol finale Chart by Ladymadonna
    http://www.scribd.com/full/7827195?access_key=key-10zneydobqevahuxbdp0

  44. Nielsen SoundScan is an information system created to track sales of music and music video products throughout the United States and Canada. Data is collected weekly and made available every Wednesday to subscribers.

    SoundScan is the source for the Billboard music charts. NSS tracks via POS ( point of sale ) of distributors or resellers, and products /music need to be registered so it can be tracked .

    Yes Billboard charts are a good way to keep track if the artist is generating sale traffic .

    Getting accumulated sales figure will depend on the date when the record company registers their product for soundscan monitoring.

    I agree, whatever accumulated sales figure that will be, we will only know if Adam , Allison or Kris is of any real mettle, after they release their first album. Even that will not cement longevity.

    What we can do now is just to pick up signs that may point to success. Aside from the quantifiable sales figures , there are the intangible factors that investors who finance the record companies would be using as an added gauge. Reasons why the likes of Allison would get signed ahead of the likes of Season 8’s Danny . These may sound subjective , but there is still a structured basis to this decision making process.

    The crystal ball to lasting success continue to be elusive. No one ,until now can put a claim to owning it. Not even American Idol producers ,more so, us, who just follow the career of certain finalists.

    The best part though of having chose someone to cheer on, is that it provides one a wellspring of hope. When you see your chosen one succeed , it creates a reservoir of hope – that you too can also come up with your own version of success.

  45. I know you post Idol weekly sales numbers from Billboard. There’s a few songs some of Cook’s fans are asking about out of the Hot 200 charts (Light On (close to going platinum as a single; last week it was at ~959K), Permanent [AI finale/charity single; was pulled from iTunes this Tuesday]).

    Where can those songs’ sales numbers be found at? It would be greatly appreciated. :-)

  46. I just listened to the snippets from Michael Johns’ cd, and didn’t feel led to buy even one song, the only two I like are the ones I already have.

    The first few songs are mostly too slow, and the last few are too frenetic. Overall impression: It’s a disappointment and probably a wasted opportunity because he had the Idol momentum and goodwill for this one.

  47. Where can those songs’ sales numbers be found at? It would be greatly appreciated. :-)

    We can’t get numbers for albums/singles that aren’t charting. Last week Brian gave a special update and provided numbers for some uncharting titles, but he also can’t get them every week (Ken Barnes had the connections and did get weekly updates, but that’s not the case anymore).

    As for the specific numbers for LO/Permanent – LO is likely selling 5-6K a week right now (based on how much it sold through the period in which it didn’t chart, and relative iTunes placement), so an educated guess would put it at ~964K this week. It should reach Platinum by September, so that would be a good time to ask Brian for another update (or just ask him if he could update us whenever LO crosses that milestone).

    Permanent, as you said, was taken off iTunes. IIRC it sold around ~170K total the last time we got official numbers. That was almost a month ago, so I’d guess at least 10K more since.

  48. evanjane, I appreciate your efforts, and it is interesting to see for what it is. Thank you.

    FWIW, I’m not reading the responses to reflect, as you say, “Adam fans” disappointment, or, as you assert, that if the numbers were different that there’d be little quarrel. The value of and appreciation for numbers and comparisons rises and falls with their accuracy and completeness, imo. Because you did say “since week 1” instead of “since the finale,” the chart could be read to be something that it’s not. That’s all.

    But I do agree that LadyMadonna is quite amazing in her collections and compilations for David Cook! Those charts are something else!! Of course, last year, we had more leaks about sales during the season too. Too bad iTunes plugged those for the most part this year. :-)

  49. Evanjane,

    I appreciate your efforts as well. Some people are numbers geeks & some aren’t. I’m the former.

    That said…did you by chance get your non-rounded Adam figures from the official Billboard thread in Adam’s forum at IDF? I ask because I run that thread, which to my knowledge is the only place keeping track of the exact figures, and I noticed the tallies you posted are identical.

    No harm done really if you did indeed borrow my work, but credit where credit is due would be nice. The info didn’t exactly compile itself.

  50. Yes when it comes to precise sales numbers you have to pay for it so you either have an account with Soundscan or professional level Billboard subscription or know someone with access to it.

    Soundscan and Billboard don’t compile this stuff out of the goodness of their heart – they too are businesses.

    As long as an album stays in the Top 50, Hits Daily Double does give their estimated numbers every week and for example David Cook has stayed pretty much in the Top 50 since his album was released, he’s fallen out here and there but since Hits Daily Double also gives you the percentage increase or decrease from lthe week before you can continue to guestimate. Math is your friend.

  51. That said’ ¦did you by chance get your non-rounded Adam figures from the official Billboard thread in Adam’s forum at IDF? I ask because I run that thread, which to my knowledge is the only place keeping track of the exact figures, and I noticed the tallies you posted are identical.

    No harm done really if you did indeed borrow my work, but credit where credit is due would be nice. The info didn’t exactly compile itself.

    As a fellow Idol “number geek” I appreciate the work that goes into compiling sales and airplay stats. But in evanjane’s defense, those numbers are publicly available to anyone willing to put in the time and effort to find them. I myself have a tracking sheet with both rounded figures and the Soundscan actuals that have leaked for Adam, and I’ve never set foot at IDF in eight years of watching American Idol.

    Just sayin’….

  52. Ladymadonna,

    You have a point.

    Evanjane, please don’t take offense that I asked.

  53. Thank you, Ladymadonna. Just to clarify, I have thanked Kirsten and Brian Mansfield each week when posting my figures. I have used rounded numbers (Brian Mansfield) when the exact figures weren’t available (Kirsten). It’s merely basic math, hopefully getting it right. Keeping track of 23 singles, more or less, each week, plus 2 album compilations, working with rounded figures and exact figures, at times made me cross-eyed, again hoping I didn’t overlook anything. I’m relieved Sadiepie stated she had the exact totals for Adam as I did. I didn’t want to overstate or understate the sales on either guy. And it’s nice to know I’m not the only “crazy” person running these tallies. I found it interesting.

    No offense taken, Sadiepie. I most certainly would have given credit, if warranted. I’ve written fanfiction for a few fandoms over the years and I respect any work that is posted freely for public viewing. Plagarism on any level is so not good, but as Ladymadonna noted, the numbers have been made available to the public and anyone on this board could just as well come up with the total monies earned in the exact same manner.

    Thanks.

Leave a Reply

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.