Idol Sales News – Week Ending 02/21/10

Numbers. Oh, numbers. Wherefore art thou numbers?

I feel like I’m sitting in the kiss-and-cry waiting for my scores to come up. Everybody is either obsessed with traveling or the new season or I don’t know what. Hopefully, the numbers will soon flash up on the scoreboard and we’ll know whether to raise our hands in the air for victory or crumple in defeat.

What will happen this week? In it’s latest run down the track, how close has the WWFM bobsled closed the gap to gold? When will LLWD get it’s platinum certification and will Plushenko offer Kris a clone of his platinum medal? Will the RIAA be able to count correctly, or will it send an Idol song into the inside track only to have it DQ’ed?

Billboard date 03/06/2010

Please post numbers when you find them. Thanks!

Update: Now with rounded album numbers (thanks undercooked!)



Download Numbers

22 Kris Allen “Live Like We’re Dying” 63, 989 (-2%; lw 65, 607) Total: 935, 389
25 Adam Lambert “Whataya Want From Me” 61, 100 (18%; lw 51, 813) Total:485, 610
34 General Larry Platt “Pants on the Ground” 51, 880 (-20%; lw 64, 503) Total: 153, 636
59 Daughtry “Life After You” 31, 183 (-8%; lw 33, 730) Total: 434, 702
73 Carrie Underwood “Cowboy Casanova” 27, 059 (-11%; lw 30, 458) Total: 1, 174, 429
76 Carrie Underwood “Temporary Home” 26, 021 (-3%; lw 26, 894) Total: 223, 768
117 Kelly Clarkson “Already Gone” 17, 315 (-2%; lw 17, 695) Total: 1, 242, 756
157 Jordin Sparks “Battlefield” 12, 595 (39%; lw 9, 084) Total: 1, 391, 301

Album Numbers
20 Carrie Underwood “Play On” 21, 188 (-19%; lw 26, 296) Total: 1, 340, 334
54 Adam Lambert “For Your Entertainment” 11, 799 (-14%: lw 13, 745) Total: 531, 042
57 Daughtry “Leave This Town” 9, 784 (-32%; lw 14, 485) Total: 952, 095
154 Kris Allen, Kris Allen 4, 191 (-31%; lw 6, 062) Total: 265, 484
159 Carrie Underwood “Some Hearts” 4, 070 (-26%; lw 5, 529) Total: 6, 942, 906
179 Daughtry “Daughtry” 3, 595 (-26%; lw 4, 880) Total:4, 638, 483

Rounded numbers from Brian at Idol Chatter

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  1. Here are the album sales from Idol Chatter

    Carrie Underwood, Play On (21,000, -19 percent, 1.340 million total)
    Kidz Bop Kids, Kidz Bop 17 (17,000, -28 percent, 100,000)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 32 (14,000, -25 percent, 801,000)
    Various, 2010 Grammy Nominees (14,000, -50 percent, 206,000)
    Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (12,000, -14 percent, 531,000)
    Daughtry, Leave This Town (10,000, -32 percent, 952,000)
    Glee Cast, Glee: The Music, Vol. 2 (9,000, -16 percent, 529,000)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Love (8,000, -6 percent, 63,000)
    Glee Cast, Glee: The Music, Vol. 1 (8,000, -18 percent, 730,000)
    Various, WOW Hits 2010 (8,000, -19 percent, 301,000)
    Various, Hope for Haiti (6,000, -52 percent, 362,000)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 31 (5,000, -15 percent, 883,000)
    Kris Allen, Kris Allen (4,000, -31 percent, 265,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts (4,000, -26 percent, 6.943 million)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Country, Vol. 2 (4,000, -26 percent, 247,000)
    Daughtry, Daughtry (4,000, -26 percent, 4.638 million)

  2. Ouch at Kris dropping again. I guess maybe he does need a second single to potentially spur album sales. Although I’d sort of rather have them stick with LLWD a while longer to keep driving its sales upward. Well, I guess, hope he’ll get a nice boost from Idol this week.

  3. Anyone has the exact sale number of FYE from last week (not the rounded)?

  4. Kristen – I am going to miss your Olympic anecdotes when the games are done. :-)

    I’m really hoping a good second single for Kris will help with his album sales.

  5. Will there be the Idol sales version of a ToePick? and what will it be?

    Sorry, the kiss-and-cry reference got me to thinking of it.

  6. Off topic:

    The Way I Am by Ingrid Michaelson, which Didi Benami performed last night, is now #42 on iTunes (overall). another huge bump she did. i remember, Didi also helped Katharine McPhee’s Terrified to enter on the Top 50 of iTunes.

  7. Will there be the Idol sales version of a ToePick? and what will it be?

    Sorry, the kiss-and-cry reference got me to thinking of it.

    A good “Cutting Edge” quote is never remiss. LOL.

  8. Ouch at Kris’ album sales. And doing a song on Idol that isn’t on won’t help much.

  9. The Way I Am by Ingrid Michaelson, which Didi Benami performed last night, is now #42 on iTunes (overall). another huge bump she did. i remember, Didi also helped Katharine McPhee’s Terrified to enter on the Top 50 of iTunes.

    Good for Didi. It looks like she’s the rainmaker this season for original versions. Good for her.

    I can’t wait until we start getting the download leaks again because it will allow us to quantify how big these jumps are for original songs.

  10. isn’t on the album. The show is lucky most folks know zero about album sales and just assume anyone with a Top 40 hit is a big success. Without that hit, things would be ugly for Kris.

  11. I think Kris will get a significant bump for his single and album after idol appearance. It’s a BIG show. Plus the albums are on sale this week. And they’ll release next single soon so it’ll get better and better.

  12. Kris’ album is currently #29 on itunes. Seems like next week’s numbers should be better for him. :-)

  13. Kris will get a nice album bump after Thursday’s show. That’s got to be almost guaranteed.

  14. I’m really surprised by the poor showing for Kris’ album this week. It’s moving up on iTunes and is at 29 now. I have to wonder how many copies they shipped to retail stores and if it’s still in stock.

    I wish Kris would do a song from his album on Thursday and I’m ready for a second single. Allison is coming out with a second and Adam will be on his 4th.

  15. good for adam, looks like radio is helping steady the sales. hope kris and alison’s appearance on idol could help bump and leno(and palin, shaun white) will too

    twig-adams next single would be his 3rd (fye, wwfm, ?)-tfm is a movie soundtrack that didnt go for adds, and no boundaries is for the winner

  16. I didn’t know the Rogaine song, but good for Didi for giving it a boost.

    Kris will get a huge boost this week, have no fear!

  17. I think Idol will have Kris on three times this year and they should to promote him. He will come on with his new single later which my guess isn’t picked yet and LLWD hasn’t peaked so that is why he is singing Let It Be. He will also be in the final. I hope this picks up his album sales. I am not a huge fan, but he deserves much better sales than this. Adam’s album sales weren’t too good either this week. WWFM is appearing to stall, hopefully he will be on AI soon too. I am hoping tomorrow’s Allison performance gives her a huge boost for her new single and album sales.

  18. I’m really surprised by the poor showing for Kris’ album this week. It’s moving up on iTunes and is at 29 now

    Unfortunately, as we saw with Adam’s Oprah bump, the itunes album sales are really pretty small and the sales differences among the rankings aren’t that big. So a sustained weekly jump from the mid-100s to the high twenties/low 30s was only equal to an additional 1000 sales. Jumping up 60 places for a day or two doesn’t amount to a lot of additional sales. But 1000 new sales for KATA is a huge percentage increase. I have no doubt that KATA cd sales will be substantially better this week than last week because of the Idol appearance. But I don’t think they are going to jump from 4000 to 40,000.

  19. HeidiL:
    02/24/2010 at 10:31 am
    Kris’ album is currently #29 on itunes. Seems like next week’s numbers should be better for him.

    Does iTunes album sales really mean much though? I’m kind of new at watching this stuff, but it really seems like iTunes album sales doesn’t give a good indication of how the album is doing overall. Adam is way below Kris on the album chart, but yet has sold double the albums. Has anybody ever said what the actual album numbers are through iTunes…I’ve been curious for some time. No doubt if you move up the chart, you’re selling more, but is it really that big of a number compared to people actually buying it at a retail store? Excuse my ignorance, just curious.

  20. Kris’s album sales are a mystery wrapped in an enigma. He’s fortunate that the single is doing so well, but IMO, LLWD is the most radio-friendly song and, being a Script song, doesn’t sound that much like the rest of “Kris Allen.” Does anyone know what the next single is likely to be? I’ve only downloaded “Alright with Me.” (Damn Ford commercial!)

  21. Kris’s album sales are a mystery wrapped in an enigma. He’s fortunate that the single is doing so well, but IMO, LLWD is the most radio-friendly song and, being a Script song, doesn’t sound that much like the rest of “Kris Allen.” Does anyone know what the next single is likely to be? I’ve only downloaded “Alright with Me.” (Damn Ford commercial!)

    Going to respectfully disagree regarding the radio-friendliness of other songs on KATA – I think Before We Come Undone, Alright With Me, and for a slower song Bring it Back or Is It Over are all radio friendly. I would have included Written All Over My Face but I thnk that would actually be a mistake to release as a single unless he goes all the way to a 4th or 5th.

  22. Going to respectfully disagree regarding the radio-friendliness of other songs on KATA

    I think there are several on there that are radio friendly, too. It’s a shame that people aren’t buying that album, it’s very good (Allison’s is awesome, too). Two of the more solid ones, I think, from straight off Idol.

  23. why is everyone singling out Kris’s numbers? EVERYBODY’s sales dropped this week. Look at the chart. NO ONE saw an increase.

    that said, his album sales are discouraging. I wish they would release a 2nd single already…

    The thing that is even more discouraging is Allison’s numbers. She’s not even on the chart listed here and I think her total album sales are something like 75K.

  24. Rather than bemoaning Kris’ album sales, why not take a look at the album sales of other singers in his genre who he has been compared to (and who people were excited that he was working with). I may be wrong, but I don’t think that KATA overall sales are much different than the album sales of Matt Kearney, Matt Nathanson, etc. etc. These are just not “big act” album sellers. These guys have popular singles, ok album sales, and good touring careers. Sometimes a particular album catches fire and the popular zeitgeist of the moment, and becomes a blockbuster a la Norah Jones Come Away With Me (Im not comparing Norah Jones and Kris’ music – kris has a lot more pop/rock), but in general albums in this genre seem to have modest sales. Maybe Kris’ next album will be his Come Away With Me. Or maybe he will have a very nice, long, successful career without ever having a blockbuster album. Many, many acts — in fact most — do. I’m not a Kris fan, but to my mind he is doing great — hit single, solid debut album, plenty of performing gigs, being embraced by Idol PTB, continuously in the public eye. Looks good.

  25. Love your introduction Kirsten.

    Looks like my fav is underperforming this week. He needs a little idol fixing

  26. that said, his album sales are discouraging. I wish they would release a 2nd single already…

    The thing that is even more discouraging is Allison’s numbers. She’s not even on the chart listed here and I think her total album sales are something like 75K.

    If he announces a 2nd single now, that would be an incentive to stop playing LLWD, they have to wait till they are sure it’s peaked and then move fast… or that’s what I would do.

    Has LLWD peaked on HAC or is it just a temp fluke with the negative spin update?

    Also… I think Allison is done with since they chose Scar as a single. Not going to work.

  27. TwigLA: 02/24/2010 at 10:33

    I have to wonder how many copies they shipped to retail stores and if it’s still in stock.

    knowing jive, probably not a whole lot. but still, the albums sales aren’t very encouraging for kris. i’d say the second single should be annnounce within at least 2 weeks to get the ball rolling.

  28. why is everyone singling out Kris’s numbers? EVERYBODY’s sales dropped this week. Look at the chart. NO ONE saw an increase.

    I just think people might’ve been hoping that LLWD’s continued radio and downloads success would spill over more to the album so it’s discouraging that didn’t happen this week. But this is a situation where last week’s sales bump was for Valentine’s Day and nobody kept last week’s increases.

    IMO one thing Jive should do is a deal with i-Tunes where they discount Kris’s album to $7.99. Maybe they could have it coincide with his AI performance going to i-Tunes tomorrow. Carrie’s album sales benefited bigtime when they did that and it coincided with the i-Tunes exclusive release of the Temporary Home video. In Kris’s case we already know people are on i-Tunes buying his single so maybe this’d convince more people to get his album off i-Tunes.

    Edit: I just remembered the AI i-Tunes album sale this week. Kris is part of that right? That’s what he needs.

    Carrie sold 14k digital albums the week Play On was put on sale for $7.99 along with Carnival Ride and Some Hearts. For most of that week PO was ranked #4-#5 on the i-Tunes albums chart.

  29. I only mentioned Kris’s CD sales because, even with the success of LLWD, he isn’t even at 300K yet. The total amount is what I worry about. He should get bumps, but he needs higher steady sales week to week. At this rate, he won’t get to gold sales until this time next year.

    Allison is very discouraging. I’m just happy Adam is staying about 10K per week.

    Danny may get pretty decent debut numbers considering he’s in Country genre and that seems to sell well.

  30. IMO one thing Jive should do is a deal with i-Tunes where they discount Kris’s album to $7.99. Maybe they could have it coincide with his AI performance going to i-Tunes tomorrow.

    There albums are at $7.99 because of Idol. That’s why they are getting bumps today.

  31. why is everyone singling out Kris’s numbers? EVERYBODY’s sales dropped this week. Look at the chart. NO ONE saw an increase.

    People are freaking out because Kris won AI less than a year ago, but his album that came out in November 2009 is selling on par with Carrie’s first album from 2005 and Daughtry’s debut from 2006. He has a hit on the radio, unlike the other new winners/runners-up who didn’t sell well after the holidays were over. People are just baffled about why his album sales aren’t better.

    Does anyone have an explanation why this was a hell week for album sales? Everyones except SuBo’s album sales dropped. Do people stop buying albums during Olympics or something?

    Albums sales are brisk around Valentine’s Day. This sales period is for the week after, so the numbers generally plummet. The same thing happens the week after Easter and the week after Mother’s Day, especially for Idols.

  32. Glad you mentioned Plushenko. He was robbed!

    Plushenko throws a nice quad but doesn’t bother about anything else and has all the grace of a bull in a china shop (and after this Olympics he’s proven to be a whiney sore loser). He got about what he deserved, in my opinion.

    On topic – I still think Kris’ album is one of the best, most current and radio friendly of any. I don’t understand why it isn’t selling better, but I suppose there is a reason why the PTB seem to like the big personalities who generate buzz on the show if it’s supposed to give a album momentum in sales after the season. Kris is low key and just doing his thing, but other new artists like him don’t have the albatross of post-AI sales expectations on their shoulders.

    We’ll have to see how his appearance this week does for him. I would have prefered they have him perform something from the album, but I suppose it’s more theme-y to do it this way.

    Any word on the new Idol boot song this season? Kris’ “Let It Rain” would be a good choice I think.

    edited to add…

    why is everyone singling out Kris’s numbers? EVERYBODY’s sales dropped this week. Look at the chart. NO ONE saw an increase.

    This is a good point.

    People are freaking out because Kris won AI less than a year ago, his album that came out in November 2009 is selling on par with Carrie’s first album from 2005 and Daughtry’s debut from 2006. He has a hit on the radio, unlike the other new winners/runners-up who didn’t sell well after the holidays were over. People are just baffled about why his album sales aren’t better.

    This is a fair assessment but none of this year’s Idol releases have done very well, not even International!Star! Adam Lambert’s. According to the numbers above, not even Daughtry’s newest has sold more than a Million which seems to be the cut-off point for “success” as far as the PTB are concerned.

    I think it has to do with the economy to some degree and the fact that those who do sell have long track records of making music that people like (except for SuBo who just defies logic IMO).

  33. Kris is very much a singles seller – I always thought he would be a singles seller more than an album seller. It’s a shame because there are some songs on the album that are amazing that will never get released to radio (I Need to Know, Red Guitar). But if he keeps selling singles I think he will ultimately do extremely well.

  34. why is everyone singling out Kris’s numbers? EVERYBODY’s sales dropped this week. Look at the chart. NO ONE saw an increase.

    that said, his album sales are discouraging. I wish they would release a 2nd single already…

    Well, I singled out Kris’s numbers because when your sales are even just a little big higher than his have been lately, even a drop still leaves you in a *reasonable*-looking position to at least keep plugging. Adam, for instance, can still drop pretty much and yet remain in the high four digits for weekly sales — which is not *good* by any manner of means — but nevertheless still seems like at least a bit of progress.

    But when you’re already in the *low* four digits — as Kris is now — Well, yikes. If Adam drops by another thousand or two next week (which I expect — he might drop even farther, since WWFM is kind of stalling and he doesn’t appear to have much US promo going), then he’ll still be somewhere. But if Kris were to drop by another thousand or two, then … cripes. His sales would all but disappear. (Luckily, he’s got the upcoming Idol appearances, so that shouldn’t happen! But he’s at a strikingly low number — and gold is beginning to look like an asymptote for the album rather than a goal — which I think is a terrible shame, because he, and his album, are *good,* in my opinion.

  35. “I’m really surprised by the poor showing for Kris’ album this week. It’s moving up on iTunes and is at 29 now. I have to wonder how many copies they shipped to retail stores and if it’s still in stock.” — TwigLA

    Two Walmart CT stores and one Target store had all but 1 copy of KATA over the course of three weeks. I’m not sure how JIVE works out inventory with the brick and mortar. I just find it odd that I can still get a physical copy of David Archuletta and David Cook’s CD @ Target or Walmart, but not Kris Allen’s. Also, there is no shortage of AL’s Taken. There must be a method behind the madness that we are not privy to at this time.

    I’m still very optimistic about the future of Kris Allen and his CD. Sure, as a fan, I had hoped for huge sales from day one following in the footsteps of KC, CU and Daughtry. Even Kelly’s CD is moving slowly and she with a couple of good-sized hits off of it — the album out now nearly a month and not yet 900,000 sold. Daughtry has now outsold her, but even that is not blowing up the charts. There are viable singles on Kris’s CD and they will sell the album. P!NK’s Funhouse CD is a great example of singles selling a CD. I think she’s on her 5th single off that album. She impresses the heck out of me.

  36. Nobody is picking on Kris. But when your four-month-old album, with a top 20 single, is selling as much as an album that came out four years ago, people take notice.

  37. Also… I think Allison is done with since they chose Scar as a single. Not going to work.

    I feel bad for Allison as well, she’s got so much talent. I found it interesting during the interview before the Kradison concert when Jim was asking her what her next single would be and she wouldn’t say. Both Kris and Adam said D is for Dangerous would be their pick. Adam even went as far as to say, kidingly, something like “have them call me”. Not that Kris and Adam are any experts, but I have doubts about Scars as well. Love the song, but I’m just not sure about the radio world.

  38. I checked again yesterday and my Walmart still has no copies of Kris, Adam or Allison. They did have Take One though.

  39. Nobody is picking on Kris. But when your four-month-old album, with a top 20 single, is selling as much as an album that came out four years ago, people take notice.

    Only in the idol-bubble is this true, IMO. If Kris was any other artist without the Idol winner albatross on his neck his sales would be great. He doesn’t have the hype surrounding him that has propelled Adam’s great sales. If he wasn’t an Idol guy, his album sales numbers wouldn’t cause anyone to ban an eyelash at them.

  40. People are freaking out because Kris won AI less than a year ago, but his album that came out in November 2009 is selling on par with Carrie’s first album from 2005 and Daughtry’s debut from 2006.

    I’ve said this in another week and I’ll say it again: this is more a testament to the freakish appeal of the 2 older albums. I see reasons why people might be concerned about Kris’s album sales but I’m just saying comparing its current sales to the sales of Some Hearts and Daughtry isn’t one of them.

    Country genre and that seems to sell well.

    I’ve linked to an article that proves that in terms of overall volume of sales, country as a genre sells less albums than rock and R&B among other genres. People get misled because of the big sales of some crossover acts that get country radio play but country album sales are struggling just like any genre.

  41. I think that some of the idols will get a boost in sales on Itunes this week partly because of the $7.99 deal which is a good deal IMO. I am glad to see Danny moving up more on the overall albums chart, he’s #64 on that chart right now.

  42. We’ll have to see how his appearance this week does for him. I would have prefered they have him perform something from the album, but I suppose it’s more theme-y to do it this way.

    Theme-y or not, I think it’s crap.

    I think they should have allowed and encouraged him to pick a song off the album that he and Jive believe shows him off to best advantage and then have him sing that, while having Ryan say as many times as possible during the broadcast — Coming up! American Idol Kris with one of the many great songs from his new album, Kris Allen — in stores and on the Internet now!

  43. I hope Danny’s fans are prepared for meh album sales as well. Because honestly, I don’t see him selling more than Kris did his debut week. I know his label and management are doing a really nice job getting him press, setting him up on the Sugarland tour, and having him go around doing all these gigs, etc. but that isn’t translating into great sales for his single, which is slowly moving up the charts. So I don’t know if country music fans are going to rush to buy this album when it drops. I don’t want to say he can’t sell 100+ K his first week — I’m just saying I’ll be really surprised if he does, given Kris’s and Allison’s sales, plus Danny switching genres since he was on the show. Who knows how many of his more casual fans from the show hate country music and won’t buy his album because of that? (I’m sure his hardcore fans will buy it even if they aren’t country music fans). Outside of this blog, I haven’t seen a ton of Danny fans online, although I know there re a lot out there. But he is definitely NOT a favorite on ontd_ai or on gossipcandy, for instance. So it’s really hard for me to get a handle on what to expect. Mainly because of Kris and Allison, I am keeping my expectations for Danny on the low side.

  44. If Kris was any other artist without the Idol winner albatross on his neck his sales would be great.

    Oh come on! Being an idol winner is not some albatross around his neck, without being on idol he wouldn’t even have a major label cd today! With all the extra promotion that comes from being an idol winner you cannot treat it like it is a bad thing.

  45. POP:
    14 13 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 5047 4511 536 29.258
    +58 Spins
    -56 Bullet
    +0.290 AI

    HAC:
    7 6 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 3183 3089 94 16.507
    -10 Spins
    -31 Bullet
    +0.198 AI

    POP:
    20 19 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 3961 3744 217 27.532
    +36 Spins
    -32 Bullet
    +0.315 AI

    HAC:
    24 20 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1192 939 253 6.101
    +40 Spins
    +14 Bullet
    +0.363 AI

  46. Does iTunes album sales really mean much though? I’m kind of new at watching this stuff, but it really seems like iTunes album sales doesn’t give a good indication of how the album is doing overall. Adam is way below Kris on the album chart, but yet has sold double the albums

    That’s why I more often look at Amazon’s ranking to get a better picture of it. Nothing exact, of course, but generally more representative of sales than itunes would be. For instance, Adam might be ranked in the 20s or 30s there, with Kris below 100 – so it’s more representative of who will sell more.

    BTW – should we get single sales #s soon?

  47. Ok, WWFM improving on spins and AI – that makes me happy(er) – for today, till I start freaking out again tomorrow ;-)

    Oh, Adam rollercoaster ride, when will you end!!??

  48. In these days and times records just don’t sell that well. If this were a few years ago the figures would be much higher. People like to buy singles now and alot of them are illegally downloaded. No worries, sales will carry on.

  49. Mary102

    I don’t know if Amazon’s rankings are a great indicator either. Didn’t someone say on here a few weeks back that Amazon’s album sales were even a smaller percentage of total sales for most artists than iTunes’ percentage?

  50. Oh, Adam rollercoaster ride, when will you end!!??

    There’s no way to ring the alarm. Hold on until it’s over.

  51. The winner’s albatross comes with some nice paying gigs! See the money thread. 100k for Disney. I don’t think Kris is crying in his beer right now about being the winner.

  52. Going to respectfully disagree regarding the radio-friendliness of other songs on KATA

    I agree with your disagreement. I think the album has a few songs that could do well on the radio, AWM and WAOMF would do well. Possibly something like BWCU as well. And perhaps a second successful single will help Kris’s album sales, which admittedly, not thrilled about. But hey, he has a really successful single, and maybe a second one, will help the album.

    Plus, being on AI will definitely help, so that’s good.

  53. Whether it is his label or Kris idea, his continued performances of covers will be the death of his album.

  54. Going to respectfully disagree regarding the radio-friendliness of other songs on KATA – I think Before We Come Undone, Alright With Me, and for a slower song Bring it Back or Is It Over are all radio friendly

    I agree. In Kris’s favor is the fact that there are a few other radio friendly songs there, and that they’re similar in style to LLWD imo (though not quite as hooky with that damn chorus ;-) ) So it should help build up Kris’s sound to the average listener if the songs are big on radio.

  55. Oh come on! Being an idol winner is not some albatross around his neck, without being on idol he wouldn’t even have a major label cd today! With all the extra promotion that comes from being an idol winner you cannot treat it like it is a bad thing.

    The albatross is the expectation of huge week 1 sales and the expectation to go GOLD/PLATINUM in 3 months.

  56. girlygirl:
    02/24/2010 at 11:43 am
    Mary102

    I don’t know if Amazon’s rankings are a great indicator either. Didn’t someone say on here a few weeks back that Amazon’s album sales were even a smaller percentage of total sales for most artists than iTunes’ percentage?

    Hmm, well, I have no facts to back this up, but I would expect Amazon to be higher than itunes with album sales, but lower with single sales – and I was just talking about albums before. More people still buy physical albums rather than get the digital download. Of course, Walmart and other box retailers would be the largest cd sellers.

    In general, though, Amazon’s rankings (at least for Kris and Adam) are more accurate than itunes. That’s all I meant.

  57. But he’s at a strikingly low number — and gold is beginning to look like an asymptote for the album rather than a goal — which I think is a terrible shame, because he, and his album, are *good,* in my opinion.

    Damn it lucy, you made me have to get out my dictionary!!

    asymptote: “a straight line always approaching but never meeting a curve; tangent to a curve at infinity” Webster’s New World College Dictionary

    Now that I’ve learned a new word today, I hope you are not correct about Kris’ album sales! :-)

  58. I hope Danny’s fans are prepared for meh album sales as well. Because honestly, I don’t see him selling more than Kris did his debut week

    I honestly am not sure how well Danny will do with album sales. Especially since outside of his music video he hasn’t gotten any national promotion. He hasn’t been on shows like Ellen, or Good Morning America, or the Tonight Show promoting his album. The only national promotion I think that he might get the week his album comes out is possibly a performance on AI. But the date for that hasn’t been confirmed yet.

    Hopefully he will get to perform on AI that week and that will boost his album and maybe single sales. I think that he most of his fanbase might be offline and might not know what he’s been up to. So maybe an appearance on AI will help him out some. His sales might not be that high when his album comes out. But I would like to see him at least debut onto the Top 10 Country albums chart on Billboard.

  59. asymptote: “a straight line always approaching but never meeting a curve; tangent to a curve at infinity” Webster’s New World College Dictionary

    Now that I’ve learned a new word today, I hope you are not correct about Kris’ album sales! :-)

    I very much hope the same!

  60. “Whether it is his label or Kris idea, his continued performances of covers will be the death of his album.”

    This! And those “mashups” that seem to be so popular and Kris seems to be so fond of. I hate these, and they do NOTHING IMO to help album sales. I will be very disappointed if Adam ever starts doing these things.

  61. Whether it is his label or Kris idea, his continued performances of covers will be the death of his album.

    If this pertains to his performance on Idol on Thursday, the fact that he’s going to sing a cover, instead of a song off his album shows that he is not going to exploit an opportunity just help drive his album sales. He has said it himself, that appearance is not about him, it’s about Haiti.

    A very selfless move, IMO.

  62. “Whether it is his label or Kris idea, his continued performances of covers will be the death of his album.”

    This! And those “mashups” that seem to be so popular. I hate these, and they do nothing IMO to help album sales. I will be very disappointed if Adam ever starts doing these things.

    ITA with this. I wonder whose horrible idea Let It Be was.

    In part because, frankly, I don’t see that Let It Be is much of a tribute to teh difficulties in Haiti either. Just like I don’t think that Everybody Hurts is. To me, both songs have messages that, if anything, trivialize the Haiti situation, turning it into what I consider the awful excuse-for-just-not-acting American cliche of “Everything happens for a reason!” … As in, Hey, folks of Haiti! When you find yourself in times of trouble, I hope mother Mary comes to you and says, ‘Let it be!’ (without any shelter or sanitation trenches or whatever …). Wrong message, in my opinion.

    And if they wanted Kris to be all inspirational, just let him do a great *segment* on Haiti. And then do a separate segment where he gets to sing one of his album songs. Live Like We’re Dying would be more appropriate to Haiti than Let It Be, in my opinion. Live Like We’re Dying says — Take action! Pay attention to what’s around you then do the loving thing.

    Let It Be is just an all-purpose hymn to taking a deep yogic breath and letting everything go. I don’t see this as an expression of how we should regard catastrophes that happen to the poor … and I doubt that Kris does either, if he should actually think about those lyrics.

  63. It’s hard to compare Kris or Adam or Allison or Danny to other new artists because of all the exposure they received on Idol. It skews expectations way too heavily. Obviously if they were just new artists who had been signed to a label and released an album without anywhere near the publicity they’ve gotten, no one would have any kind of expectations for album sales. (Except the suits at their label, who likely have predictor thingys for anyone they sign). If Kris had been signed without ever being on Idol, then had a debut album sell 200+K and a single that is sure to go platinum, well, his label would be beyond estatic. And I think if he had gone on Idol and finished 3rd, like probably a large % of people expected would happen once the Top 3 was announced, then had these same results for his album and single, people would be pretty happy with his numbers. But neither of those things are the reality. Such is life.

  64. Kris doesn’t actually play that many covers when he does a full set. About 2/3 of his set consists of songs off his album. He has said that he hasn’t worked out arrangements with his band for all of the songs on his album. Hopefully he will do that so he can start performing all of his songs off his album during his set.

    But he also seems to love doing these covers, and they are very popular with the crowds, so he’ll likely keep at least a couple of them in his set.

  65. mmb:
    02/24/2010 at 11:17 am
    Rather than bemoaning Kris’ album sales, why not take a look at the album sales of other singers in his genre who he has been compared to (and who people were excited that he was working with).

    Does anyone know where I can look for SALES TOTAL for other artists? All I mostly see are week to week numbers not total sales. I’m not a huge fan of Kris’s, but his sales are leaving me scratching my head. This is not some sort of passive aggressive question, I REALLY did believe his album sales totals would pick up steam as his single took off. There must be some other industry wide cause for this.

  66. Whether it is his label or Kris idea, his continued performances of covers will be the death of his album.”

    This! And those “mashups” that seem to be so popular. I hate these, and they do nothing IMO to help album sales. I will be very disappointed if Adam ever starts doing these things.

    Artists do covers during concerts – even well established artists with a huge repetoire of their own music (Cook and Kelly both did covers during their recent tours.) When Kris is doing a full set having covers in it makes sense.

    As far as his performance tomorrow being a cover, I think it is because he is not their to promote his album. Allison should be performing something from her album (as she is since she is there to promote her album.) Kris is there to promote Idol Gives Back and is performing something to promote that. I would hope that he will be back later on in the season to promote his album, likely when he releases his second single.

  67. Sometimes it is not about how many albums can be sold. Kris is singing a song that fits the charity for Haiti I would assume. David Cook performed Permanent on Idol last year when it was never released to radio and was a charity single but he did it for a good cause. I say good for Kris.

    Having said that Kris’s album sales are not good. LLWD is doing well but is not driving album sales. I am not sure why.

  68. It’s funny that Kris — at least publicly — seems far less worried about his sales than the people on this board. And I’m sure he has had many a discussion with the suits at Jive and 19 about this stuff.

    As for Thursday, Kris says he wants the focus of his appearance to be on Haiti, not on him. And there really isn’t any song on his album that has lyrics that are appropriate to what is going on in Haiti. He got criticized for playing LLWD at the benefit for breast cancer research — that criticism would likely be a lot louder if he played it Thursday. AWM? CSA? WAOMF? Yeah — none of these really fit the situation. And by doing Let It Be, he’s likely to get a sales bump for his album as well as raise a bunch of money for haiti.

    I’m sure he will be back on Idol to sing LLWD or his 2nd single later in the season.

  69. I also really wish he was singing something from his album instead of let it be. He’s going to be promoting both Haiti and the album on the appearance (the album will definitely be mentioned, at least by Ryan). So why not sing something that lets us actually hear it? LLWD (although I know some people find it facetious in the face of real dying), or if not and if they don’t want one that could be confused with a second single, then I Need to Know or Let it Rain. Oh well, at least he will be on, and as others have said, he will probably be on twice more (once for single #2, once at the final). And the Haiti fundraiser is great anyway.

    Any bets on when we get to hear Adam?

  70. I may be wrong, but I don’t think that KATA overall sales are much different than the album sales of Matt Kearney, Matt Nathanson, etc. etc. These are just not “big act” album sellers. These guys have popular singles, ok album sales, and good touring careers.

    I think neither Matt Kearney nor Matt Nathanson are big single or album seller, none of them had top 40 hits. In that respect Kris is probably doing better, therefore not quite comparable. But perhaps after the first album, the best we can hope is that Kris’ career might be similar to theirs – with moderate sales and an OK touring career.

    It would probably have been better if Kris were to wait for a bit longer until has a new single before appearing on the show. He might appear on the finale but that’s quite a while away, surely they won’t wait that long to release another single?

    Eng Lit pedantry – “wherefore” doesn’t mean “where”, it means “why”.

  71. Kris throwing 2-3 covers in an 10-11 song set during concerts that relatively few people see anyway is not why his album sales are so low.

    Other reigning Idols who returned to the show got to sing their own material but the circumstances of Kris’s appearance are completely different than theirs.

    Who expects Kris to discuss how his album sales aren’t the best? Maybe he couldn’t care less, or maybe it keeps him up at night. But it’s not something I would expect him to discuss in public.

  72. I’m guessing sometime in April for Adam’s Idol appearance. Depends when he gets back from his overseas promotional stuff. I wouldn’t be stunned if he gets 2 appearances, with the second coming on the finale, although I know that in the past it’s usually just the previous year’s winner that performs on the finale (and I’m sure Kris will do that this year).

  73. Kris’ sales would be fine for any ordinary newcomer but the fact is he isnt. There’s a reason why there are always huge expectations for Idol winners.Newcomers would KILL to be seen and heard on the most watched show on TV every week. The exposure given to all the contestants is unreal. If you win its a sign enough people liked you to pick up the phone and vote. Kris isn’t Taylor who’s being kicked to the curb and nowhere to be found on radio – he has a huge hit song, is getting promo and the Ford commercials are airing often during Idol so viewers are reminded of him. Not saying he should be expected to crank out a million, but barely selling 300,000 in span of 4 months IS odd. Yes everyone dropped this week but he had one of the larger drops. That said I have no issue with him performing a cover tomorrow since I would assume he will eventually be back to perform whatever his 2nd single is.

  74. It’s nice to see that a lot of people are so concerned about Kris’ album sales. LOL.

    I really do think his album is going to sell up to Gold, at best. And I have no problem with that.

    RE doing covers:

    That’s pretty much standard operating procedure in any concert. Kris is not the only artist doing that. So, IMO, that has no relevance whatsoever with his album sales.

  75. It’s funny that Kris — at least publicly — seems far less worried about his sales than the people on this board.

    Speaking for myself. I’m not worried or criticizing. To me it is an interesting situation that didn’t play out as I thought it would, which prompts my interest. Plus the music industry is so jacked up right now and is continuing to spiral downward. I wonder how long it is going to bleed until they restructure how they do business.

    He got criticized for playing LLWD at the benefit for breast cancer research — that criticism would likely be a lot louder if he played it Thursday.

    Seriously he played LLWD at a breast cancer research charity thing? LMFAO Let It Be is definitely a better choice.

  76. I am hoping Danny has a good sales for his new album. It might boost Kris, Adam and Allison’s sales a bit if some of Danny’s fans are fans of their’s also and decide to buy their album too.

  77. LLWD might finally be reaching its peak — it is going to struggle to reach the Top 10 given the strength of the songs currently ranked around it (a reason why WWFM aso might not make the Top 10), and it is stalling a little on HAC chart as well. Given the fact that it has already had a 2nd, 3rd and 4th wind, it may not be smart of me to suggest that it is peaking, but I think that once it hits platinum status in a couple weeks, Jive should jump on that and release a 2nd single before LLWD starts going down the chart.

    I’m betting BWCU ends up being the 2nd single.

  78. Has there been any indication what Kris 2nd single could be (like we’ve gotten from Adam) or no one has a clue?

  79. As far as his performance tomorrow being a cover, I think it is because he is not their to promote his album. Allison should be performing something from her album (as she is since she is there to promote her album.) Kris is there to promote Idol Gives Back and is performing something to promote that. I would hope that he will be back later on in the season to promote his album, likely when he releases his second single

    I think Kris’s doing a cover tomorrow, is the right thing to do, and disagree that Let It Be isn’t a good choice. And it certainly is better than LLWD for the situation.

    Yes, Kris’s singing his single would be better for Kris, but the reason he’s on the show at all right now is part of IGB and helping Haiti. So in some way this is already a bonus for Kris, because he will see an increase in sales. But no, he won’t get to sing his single this time, but he will undoubtedly be asked back and will get to sing his (new?) single then. He might even be back two other times, which would be a huge bonus for him as well.

  80. “Having said that Kris’s album sales are not good. LLWD is doing well but is not driving album sales. I am not sure why.”

    I still think they should have released a second single by now to give people more familiarity with Kris. People may like the song but they are simply not identifying with the artist, or Kris himself is just not that memorable on this song. With another song that sounds more uniquely “Kris” it might spark an interest in the album even if it detracts a bit from LLWD.

  81. I’m betting BWCU ends up being the 2nd single.

    I figure this will be the single too since it is the one that is charting internationally and obviously been release across the pond.

  82. LLWD might finally be reaching its peak — it is going to struggle to reach the Top 10 given the strength of the songs currently ranked around it (a reason why WWFM aso might not make the Top 10), and it is stalling a little on HAC chart as well. Given the fact that it has already had a 2nd, 3rd and 4th wind, it may not be smart of me to suggest that it is peaking, but I think that once it hits platinum status in a couple weeks, Jive should jump on that and release a 2nd single before LLWD starts going down the chart.

    I’m betting BWCU ends up being the 2nd single.

    I think he will hit Top 5 on HAC, just because aside from JOhn Mayer and dughtry who he is ranked right there with, the 3 songs above these 3 guys are starting to drop. I would assume Jive might be waiting until he hits platinum sales before releasing the next single, which should be in the next week or two.

    As far as the second single choice, Kris is unlikely t say anything too far in advance, sort of like he was about the album until just before the release. I’m betting on either BWCU or AWM, depending on how long Jive wants to stick with single #2 once it is released.

  83. Theme-y or not, I think it’s crap.

    I think they should have allowed and encouraged him to pick a song off the album that he and Jive believe shows him off to best advantage and then have him sing that, while having Ryan say as many times as possible during the broadcast — Coming up! American Idol Kris with one of the many great songs from his new album, Kris Allen — in stores and on the Internet now!

    Like others have said, Kris is not there to promote himself tomorrow, he’s there to bring awareness to the continuing need in Haiti. Plus the song he sings will be offered as an Itunes download for charity, I doubt his label would let him offer one of his own songs for that purpose. Would Kris put his own music up for charity? I’m sure he would in a heartbeat, but I doubt they’d let him. Not to mention there aren’t really any songs on his album that ring true for this particular need.

  84. Since Mat Kearney and Matt Nathanson were brought up as possible comparisons, I looked this up on Wikipedia. Make of it what you will.

    Mat Kearney has never had a Top 40 hit on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, although he has had four Top 20 songs on Billboard’s Adult Pop chart, with “Nothing Left to Lose” being the one that charted highest (#7).

    Kearney’s most current album, City of Black & White, was released on May 19, 2009. Wikipedia doesn’t list its current sales, but does say that as of Sept. 21 (so 4 months later), the album had sold 87,459 copies.

    Matt Nathanson’s single, Come On Get Higher, went platinum, but peaked at #59 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, #20 on the Pop chart, #3 on the AC chart and #9 on the Adult Pop chart. None of his other singles have made Billboard’s Top 100 chart.

    Nathanson’s last studio album, “Some Mad Hope”, which came out ion Aug. 14, 2007, peaked at #60 on the Billboard 200 chart, and, according to Wikipedia, to date has sold 234,960 copies.

    Kearney and Nathanson have both had a ton of songs used on t.v. shows, which has helped their visibility and as far as I’ve heard, both are popular touring attractions.

  85. aa618892:
    02/24/2010 at 12:21 pm
    “Having said that Kris’s album sales are not good. LLWD is doing well but is not driving album sales. I am not sure why.”

    I still think they should have released a second single by now to give people more familiarity with Kris. People may like the song but they are simply not identifying with the artist, or Kris himself is just not that memorable on this song. With another song that sounds more uniquely “Kris” it might spark an interest in the album even if it detracts a bit from LLWD.

    That is a really good point. As I said previously, I am not a ‘fan’ yet. I’d love to hear another song off his album on the radio. I’ve heard the entire album once, about what I would listen for any new artist, but its not connecting with me & hearing more songs on the radio might change that. With that said, I couldn’t really say what his sound is. LLWD is different than what he did on the show which is not exactly unusual coming off Idol. I don’t know what differentiates Kris right now.. you really might be on to something. I hope LLWD has more legs, but i’m also eager to hear (in repetition) his new single.

  86. It’s funny that Kris — at least publicly — seems far less worried about his sales than the people on this board.

    I’ve found, this past year, it’s the nature of the fans of Idol – lol.

    I remember being surprised when Adam said he started worrying about his appearances, clothes, etc…and one thing he mentioned being worried about was sales. Makes me wonder what they expected the Idols from S8 to achieve as far as sales.

  87. Since Mat Kearney and Matt Nathanson were brought up as possible comparisons, I looked this up on Wikipedia. Make of it what you will.

    Mat Kearney has never had a Top 40 hit on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, although he has had four Top 20 songs on Billboard’s Adult Pop chart, with “Nothing Left to Lose” being the one that charted highest (#7).

    Kearney’s most current album, City of Black & White, was released on May 19, 2009. Wikipedia doesn’t list its current sales, but does say that as of Sept. 21 (so 4 months later), the album had sold 87,459 copies.

    Matt Nathanson’s single, Come On Get Higher, went platinum, but peaked at #59 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, #20 on the Pop chart, #3 on the AC chart and #9 on the Adult Pop chart. None of his other singles have made Billboard’s Top 100 chart.

    Nathanson’s last studio album, “Some Mad Hope”, which came out ion Aug. 14, 2007, peaked at #60 on the Billboard 200 chart, and, according to Wikipedia, to date has sold 234,960 copies.

    Kearney and Nathanson have both had a ton of songs used on t.v. shows

    Based on all of this – Kris seems to be in position to do better than both – he’s had 4 songs in the Billboard Top 40 (at least that’s what I recall from an earlier Mediabase chart that was done when LLWD hit Top 40 there). He’s also sold more albums then either guy and has a single about to hit platinum, and has charted higher on the Billboard Chart (#11) then either guy.

  88. Reading through this thread each week makes me realize how much I am in the minority.. I am a Kris fan that is not worried about his sales at all. I am happy for him that he has a single that is almost platinum. Do I wish his album sales were more, sure.. But I will not worry about him until we get a press release from his record company saying they are dropping him and honestly I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

    I agree with Truthiness (wow, I can’t say that too often), Kris is doing the right thing by not singing one of his own songs. As Kris has said, this is not about him, it is about Haiti. Also, I am pretty sure if he was singing one of his own songs, he would be raked over the coals for that.

  89. The sales of Let It Be are going to Haiti relief. If Kris sang one of his own songs, how could that song be released as a for-profit single in the future? Since they might want to release any number of the album songs as singles, I would say to use one as the Haiti single would be a mistake.

    Besides which, it would appear self-serving to promote Haiti relief and ones own album at the same time.

    Kris is not going on the show to promote himself, anyway.

  90. As for Thursday, Kris says he wants the focus of his appearance to be on Haiti, not on him.

    See, this is why I LOVE Kris….the guy has his priorities really together!! I have never enjoyed his singing and really disliked LLWD but hoped he would be really successful! I sincerely hope he doesn’t have to hear all the *failure* crap that many (cough Taylor H)idol’s heard when their sales were less than stellar!

    One thing I am sure of is that Kris will have a wonderful life just because of the great guy he is…..no matter what!

  91. I did a little poking around on the Billboard top 200 from last week and it looks like KATA was ahead of Jay Sean, Orianthi, The Script, Shakira, and One Republic. It just kind of surprised me is all. Feel free to correct me if I read the chart incorrectly.

  92. It’s funny that Kris — at least publicly — seems far less worried about his sales than the people on this board.

    Well, this is the sales thread and there’s a comment section so there you go. I’m not really concerned, but I think anyone who watches Idol from year to year and watches the charts will notice that Kris hasn’t reached the first-week sales totals achieved by most Idol winners three months after his album release, despite having a hit single, a marketable sound and overall cute guy appeal. It’s an anomaly and must be discussed, lol.

  93. I did a little poking around on the Billboard top 200 from last week and it looks like KATA was ahead of Jay Sean, Orianthi, The Script, Shakira, and One Republic. It just kind of surprised me is all. Feel free to correct me if I read the chart incorrectly.

    I am not suprised… Orianthi has sold something 75K altogether? Shakira is the one doing really bad but the rest are not big album sellers as far as I know. It’s really hard to launch a new artist so both Kris and Adam are doing well in that respect.

  94. Mtlfan:
    02/24/2010 at 11:59 am
    something nice is that LLWD is climbing on the international chart. It’s in the top 40 for a 5th week and is now at #36 (#37 last week)

    http://www.mediatraffic.de/tracks.htm

    That means LLWD sold around 8,000 copies last week internationally. It’s on this list because it has been in the top twenty this past week on iTunes. This list could be misleading if people didn’t know that the US sales figures were included also.

    Kris doesn’t actually play that many covers when he does a full set. About 2/3 of his set consists of songs off his album. He has said that he hasn’t worked out arrangements with his band for all of the songs on his album. Hopefully he will do that so he can start performing all of his songs off his album during his set.

    A third of a set seems like a lot to me. Some of his sets have been worse than that- with almost half the set being covers. I’m not sure why Kris wouldn’t have had time to work on his songs with his band. Cook and Archie were touring by this time. Adam and Band did 10 original songs on New Years Eve. A couple of covers is okay, half your set might seem like a local band.
    I don’t know if this could make a difference in album sales or not, but it is odd. I wonder if it is Kris’ decision or if his label has input?

    On a different note: YESSSS to Adam being back in the top 50! Good going BB!

  95. By the way, I was just in my car and heard LLWD on Kiss108’s (Boston, Top 40) noon countdown and it was #4 on the countdown -which I believe is based on requests. Still going strong, and doesn’t seem to be peaking, here, at least.

    A third of a set seems like a lot to me. Some of his sets have been worse than that- with almost half the set being covers

    He’s superb at performing covers, it’s one of his great talents and not only that, when he begins any one of his well-known covers, the audience always bursts into applause and cheers, signaling their approval. They seem to enjoy these covers immensely, as I do. He likes to do them, his audience likes to listen to them. It’s musicality. It’s greatly entertaining. And I for one hope he continues to do exactly as he has been doing.

  96. I’m betting BWCU ends up being the 2nd single.

    I figure this will be the single too since it is the one that is charting internationally and obviously been release across the pond.

    I didn’t know that BWCU was charting overseas. How cool! And yeah, it seems like it was down to BWCU and AWM as the next single. I think that AWM might be a better bet, but I think BWCU has a good shot as well.

    Also about Scars being Allison’s next single. Much as I love the song, and am just glad that Allison is getting another single and that Jive is moving the hell on from FIBOU, yeah, I admit to feeling a bit of trepidation about it’s being a single. I think Don’t Waste The Pretty would have been a better choice, though I personally don’t like it as much as I do Scars. But Allison is going to so great peforming it tomorrow, and it will be a huge audience, so I hope that gives her a shot at connecting with an audience to want to buy her music.

  97. Like others have said, Kris is not there to promote himself tomorrow, he’s there to bring awareness to the continuing need in Haiti. Plus the song he sings will be offered as an Itunes download for charity, I doubt his label would let him offer one of his own songs for that purpose. Would Kris put his own music up for charity? I’m sure he would in a heartbeat, but I doubt they’d let him. Not to mention there aren’t really any songs on his album that ring true for this particular need.

    Why can’t he talk about Haiti in one part of the show …. and then sing one of his own songs in *another* part of the show? They have an entire hour, after all. To me, *no* song has anything to do with actually helping Haiti.

    Somebody warbling Let It Be does nothing but provide the audience with a swoony, feel-good, faux-inspirational moment that has zero to do with actually helping out Haiti or anyone else in the least. Singing some hymn-y song supposedly as a tribute to victims of poverty and catastrophe does nothing but make the audience feel as if they’ve participated in something meaningful while they’ve actually participated in nothing at all, in my opinion. By contrast, getting Kris to show scenes of Haiti and having him talk at some length about Haiti — based on what he saw and his previous life experiences of working in devastated areas and without some swoony musical background — would actually inform people. And then much later in the show they could have him sing something off his album and announce conspicuously that sales of that single will all be donated to the Haiti relief effort. … To me, that would make an important distinction between actually doing/donating something and listening to a song like Let It Be while having the delusion that *that* constitutes doing something.

    Heck, these one-hour results shows are mostly an hour of wasted air anyway.

    Okay, I admit that I just hate all these “charity singles” and the fantasy that “We Are the World” and so forth are some big accomplishments that actually make things better. In my opinion, they’re just feel-good moments for better-off people so we — and all the wealthy musicians who love having their faces plastered on the videos of such songs — can falsely feel that we’ve done something that matters.

  98. What Kris could do is perform an accoustic version of one of the songs of his album (maybe let it rain?) and then record it and sell it as a charity single.

  99. Somebody warbling Let It Be does nothing but provide the audience with a swoony, feel-good, faux-inspirational moment that has zero to do with actually helping out Haiti or anyone else in the least. Singing some hymn-y song supposedly as a tribute to victims of poverty and catastrophe does nothing but make the audience feel as if they’ve participated in something meaningful while they’ve actually participated in nothing at all, in my opinion. By contrast, getting Kris to show scenes of Haiti and having him talk about Haiti — based on what he saw and his previous life experiences of working in devastated areas — would actually inform people. And then much later in the show they could have him sing something off his album and announce conspicuously that sales of that single will all be donated to the Haiti relief effort. … To me, that would make an important distinction between actually doing/donating something and listening to a song like Let It Be while having the delusion that *that* constitutes doing something.

    Okay, I admit that I just hate all these “charity singles” and the fantasy that “We Are the World” and so forth are some big accomplishments that actually make things better. In my opinion, they’re just feel-good moments for better-off people so we — and all the wealthy musicians who love having their faces plastered on the videos of such songs — can falsely feel that we’ve done something that matters

    I have a kindred spirit some where out in the world. I gasped when I heard they were redoing “we are the world” -lame. It wasn’t good the first time, and I can’t imagine it being any better now. I’m even more cynical about the charity efforts of IGB. Part of it is about self promotion, it always is.

    I guess my question is.. what is Allison singing and does it have any thematic ties to the situation in Haiti.

    ilovekrisallen39 thanks for the song titles.

  100. It’s funny that Kris — at least publicly — seems far less worried about his sales than the people on this board.

    Were Katharine, Taylor, or Blake publically worried about their sales? No, that would be a foolish thing to do, but it still doesn’t mean sales are healthy…

  101. I did a little poking around on the Billboard top 200 from last week and it looks like KATA was ahead of Jay Sean, Orianthi, The Script, Shakira, and One Republic. It just kind of surprised me is all. Feel free to correct me if I read the chart incorrectly.

    That means Adam is selling 2 to 3 times what these established artists are! Pretty good!
    And Yessss! to the confirmation that Adam will be on Leno for the second time! He and Leno really hit it off last time. I’m sure Adam won’t get couch time, but it will be good to have him sing on Leno’s big week back.
    As much as I hate dislike Sarah Palin, she and Shawn Johnson should be a ratings pull!

  102. “Half of his set has been covers” when Kris was playing a Jingle Ball and sang maybe 5 songs total. A situation where the overall crowd was not specifically there to see him and would be less than familiar with his songs. Plenty of artists have said that playing new material an audience doesn’t know makes harder to keep the crowd engaged. Adam didn’t play those sorts of general radio station concerts, but events where he was the main attraction and you would expect the crowd to be loaded with people who have all his lyrics memorized already. Kris turns to covers more, too, a leftover from his days on the bar/club scene. He enjoys them but when he’s done longer sets, he does play several songs from his album. I guess you could say that if he played 10 original songs, instead of 8, that his album sales would be so much better, but I doubt it’s making a difference.

  103. As an AI fan I think it is very relevant to discuss the album sales totals of the winner of S8. Kris has the lowest selling album of any AI winner and to me that is talk worthy. I personally think his album is really good, and better than some of the other winners, so why the low sales and by idol winner standards or even runner up totals is a real failure.

  104. Okay, I admit that I just hate all these “charity singles” and the fantasy that “We Are the World” and so forth are some big accomplishments that actually make things better. In my opinion, they’re just feel-good moments for better-off people so we — and all the wealthy musicians who love having their faces plastered on the videos of such songs — can falsely feel that we’ve done something that matters.

    lucy, if the charity singles rack a couple of million dollars and it’s used to provide shelters for thousands of Haitians before the rainy season, why do you say people would falsely feel that they had done something that matters?

  105. I didn’t know that BWCU was charting overseas. How cool! And yeah, it seems like it was down to BWCU and AWM as the next single. I think that AWM might be a better bet, but I think BWCU has a good shot as well.

    When Kris was in Asia he found out BWCU was always on the radio when he heard it in the car on the way from the airport. It’s become a very popular song and they also used it in some song game he did with someone on the radio while there.

    By contrast, getting Kris to show scenes of Haiti and having him talk about Haiti — based on what he saw and his previous life experiences of working in devastated areas — would actually inform people. And then much later in the show they could have him sing something off his album and announce conspicuously that sales of that single will all be donated to the Haiti relief effort.

    I don’t think this would work very well. In theory it might be a good idea, but I could almost see them showing pics/video of Kris in Haiti while he is singing and have him talk about the experience right after. I doubt he would come out to talk about Haiti, and the go back behind the scenes somewhere to come out again and perform something off his album. I think that would likely defeat the purposed of why he’s on the show tomorrow in the first place. And I don’t think Jive would want him to release one of his own songs as the charity single. IMO, it is similar yet different to what Cook did with Permanent last year because Permanent was written by Cook about his brother and the situation that existed. Kris does not have a song on his album that was written with the Haiti situation in my mind and there would be a disconnect to try and use one of his album songs to raise money for Haiti.

  106. The crappy way the Idol results shows are structured, neither Allison nor Kris are likely going to get any time to do anything other than sing, then maybe say a brief remark to Ryan. Kris even said in his conference call on Monday that he wasn’t even sure whether he was going to speak live about his trip to Haiti or whether they were just showing the footage. I’m hoping they will actually let him talk, at least briefly! Because of all the commercials and the bloated useless yapping to the judges, plus the drawn out reveal of the voting, unfortunately there isn’t really enough time to give Kris two separate segments on Thursday. Maybe if they didn’t have Allison perfoming as well they could have done this, but not now.

    And is the results show going to be held in that tiny studio where there’s like 50 people n the audience? That sucks for Allison and Kris, who deserve to be performing on an actual stage.

  107. And is the results show going to be held in that tiny studio where there’s like 50 people n the audience? That sucks for Allison and Kris, who deserve to be performing on an actual stage.

    Ok, when is Kris and Allison performing? I heard someone say thursday? Is tehre any idol tonight?

  108. so why the low sales and by idol winner standards a real failure.

    I don’t think of KATA as a “failure” or that Kris has “failed” in any way. A failure would be if he put out a crappy album. While KATA didn’t get critical raves (pretty hard when u only have 4 months to put the cd together), it got solid reviews and in general people seem to think it is a good, solid album. There is not much you can do if it does not grab the public’s imagination. As an artist it is your job to create the best artistic output that you can, promote it to the best of your ability. After that, everything is out of your control and you have to let the chips fall where they may. I think you could say that the album is not a commercial success (although that is arguable), but its not quite right to label either the album or Kris as a failure. Same goes for Allison, Adam, or any other idol.

  109. As I said in an earlier post, people can’t buy Kris’ albums if it isn’t being stocked in stores. Many shoppers in the idol demographics are impulse buyers. If they see it, they’ll remember AI and buy it. If they don’t see it, they’re not going to go to the trouble of buying it off the internet unless they’re truly a fan. Since Wal-Mart had the CD with the bonus track, (love SMAYA) they should have a special display – life-size poster of Kris – whatever, bringing attention to Kris, especially since Wal-Mart is based in Arkansas. I understand that there were many stores that didn’t carry it even at Christmas. Kris fans need to check when they go shopping and ask the manager to have it stocked if the store is out. You can also go to the Wal-Mart website and advise them if something was out of stock at the store you visited. I agree that his fans are probably more worried about his sales than he is. I honestly think sales will pick up once he starts touring in earnest.

  110. lucy, if the charity singles rack a couple of million dollars and it’s used to provide shelters for thousands of Haitians before the rainy season, why do you say people would falsely feel that they had done something that matters?

    Two reasons: With the combined wealth of all the fame whores who participate in these videos and get props for it for years and years as their faces appear in the videos of the song, they could *easily* donate way way way more than the singles ever reap — and without making a show in public of how great they are for being involved….

    Plus the fact that it’s my perception the audience gets to feel all holy and wonderful while the singing of these “inspirational/charity” songs goes on — and the swoony feeling of ‘Oh, I love the world and I’ve helped!’ unfortunately tends to extend to people who don’t even end up giving a buck to pay for the song …. It’s sentimentality parading as charity and action, to me. … *And* most of those who spent the 1.99 or whatever are led to believe that their paltry contribution, which is much less than most could probably afford if they really wanted to, actually amounts to something!

    I admit that, given human frailties and the fact that without getting stirred up to some kind of fake emotion many many people probably would do nothing at all. And I admit that that means that at least something is being contributed that probably wouldn’t have been otherwise! So I guess I rescind my “accomplishes nothing” proclamation.

    Nevertheless, I believe that it should be possible for celebrities to use their bully pulpits to motivate people to do something more than pay a buck ninety nine. And I am seriously bothered by my suspicion that the mere existence of such songs — which are pure syrupy sentimentality and thus, in my view, lying pieces of junk — repeatedly fosters the false feeling among the public that we’re doing something by merely *listening* to this sentimental tripe. I really really mistrust “feel good” stuff when it makes us feel good about a hideous situation that somebody else is in. Let’s face it — Nobody who sang “We Are the World,” and few of those who’ve listened to it and felt all heart-swelled and teary-eyed and virtuous, has ever actually *been* part of the suffering “world” that the song supposedly alerts us to.

  111. I don’t think this would work very well. In theory it might be a good idea, but I could almost see them showing pics/video of Kris in Haiti while he is singing and have him talk about the experience right after. I doubt he would come out to talk about Haiti, and the go back behind the scenes somewhere to come out again and perform something off his album. I think that would likely defeat the purposed of why he’s on the show tomorrow in the first place. And I don’t think Jive would want him to release one of his own songs as the charity single.

    Can’t imagine why they couldn’t conduct it this way — but I totally agree with you that they wouldn’t!

    And as for your very astute point that Jive wouldn’t want him to donate money from one of his own singles — Well, that just shows that, in fact, it’s all about selfishness after all, doesn’t it? Not Kris’s of course — I completely agree that he’s a humble, generous, lovely guy. But definitely on the part of the record company — and they’re the ones with the bucks.

  112. I was wondering why this thread had so many posts. LOL. It’s Kris’ turn on the chopping block!

    My opinion, as if anyone cares, is that it is an appropriate topic for the sales thread. And yes Kris’ sales are crazy low for an idol winner. That said:

    Since Mat Kearney and Matt Nathanson were brought up as possible comparisons, I looked this up on Wikipedia. Make of it what you will.

    I really always thought of Kris as Matt Kearney with 20 something appeal. If he had gotten more of a cushion from Idol fans during the holidays then he wouldn’t be much of an issue right now. But yeah, I think the convention for his type of act is lots of Adult top 40 charting, good touring business, and so-so album sales unless there is a big breakthough song on Top 40 or Grey’s Anatomy. Heh. The fact he’s had a pop hit is a good thing, I think if he can get a second single to chart well he should sell a decent amount of albums. For the type of act Kris is, a gold album and a couple of paltinum plus singles would be excellent. Plus his label is known for cheapness, I think he can turn them a profit in the long run.

    But he might get some horrible press before its all over.

  113. I know she’s not an Idol, but since she was mentioned upthread, it’s too bad Orianthi isn’t having better sales. Her single is doing well and I think her album is really pretty good! The instrumental with her shredding with Steve Vai is amazing. Forget girls with acoustic guitars, this girl can play!

    I really, really love Scars and hope Allison kills it Thursday.

  114. Singapore concert date: March 12RT @RaqeemBrian Just in-Adam Lambert fans, get ready as @hitzdotfm is giving out tix to his show in Sing on 12 Mar starting next wk. G’luck

    alaadam:
    02/24/2010 at 12:56 pm
    Truthiness

    Here is the international chart thing I was talking about sent out by Sony> I think it goes out each week.

    http://sonymusicphil.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/on-the-charts-this-week-feb-22/

    They sure love FYE, don’t they? I guess it’s an “international thang”. :) I see WWFM is at the top of several charts also! And TFM??!! LOL

    Edit: Shaun White to other post a while back. Geez! (Facepalm)

  115. This was the day I’ve been waiting MONTHS for!!! Chum-FM (Toronto’s #1 AC station)has FINALLY added LLWD. I can’t believe it.I don’t know what took so long, but thank goodness it happened.

    Toronto was so quick to embrace Adam, which is great, I’m not sure why they didn’t play Kris . He is the only idol they didn’t add with the exception of Taylor, but they played Do I Make you Proud, just not stuff from his album.

    Congrats Kris, I’m hoping this will help his Canadian sales.

  116. This was the day I’ve been waiting MONTHS for!!! Chum-FM (Toronto’s #1 AC station)has FINALLY added LLWD. I can’t believe it.I don’t know what took so long, but thank goodness it happened.

    Seems like Kris has gotten a few Canadian adds lately. Any idea how LLWD is doing on the Canadian top40 or HAC chart?

  117. lucy – while I don’t agree entirely with you regarding charity singles, I think you have a really good point. Esp for the big groups sings, it’s really more of a feel good moment than anything else. When an individual does something, it seems to mean more, i.e.: Kris after actually going to Haiti; David Cook’s charity single “Permanent”. I remember lots of Cook fans wanted him to rock out with his song “Barbasol” on the Finale last year, but he chose to do the song for his brother instead. Course, it was on his album, so I guess that’s not a good comparison. Never mind.

  118. Maybe with all Canadian adds Kris has gotten lately, it will encourage 19/Jive to setup a Canadian media tour for Kris along with some performance dates.

  119. Toronto was so quick to embrace Adam, which is great, I’m not sure why they didn’t play Kris . He is the only idol they didn’t add with the exception of Taylor, but they played Do I Make you Proud, just not stuff from his album.

    Did Toronto embrace Archie last year? I’m wondering if they initially only want one person from Idol each year and had chosen Adam but eventually realized that Kris was doing well so they should have him as well. This is not a knock on them, I’m just trying to understand it. (As I listen to WWFM on the radio :))

  120. saga

    I saw the Canadian mediabase stuff somewhere on here — don’t remember if it was in this thread or the headlines thread from yesterday though. LLWD had cracked the Top 40 — I believe on both the Pop and Hot AC charts. WWFM, of course, is in the Top 10 on both

  121. Where is Adam going to be playing in Singapore. Same club as Kris (Zirca)?

  122. I saw the Canadian mediabase stuff somewhere on here — don’t remember if it was in this thread or the headlines thread from yesterday though. LLWD had cracked the Top 40 — I believe on both the Pop and Hot AC charts. WWFM, of course, is in the Top 10 on both

    Yeah I know the WWFM status but I haven’t seen anything about LWWD, just seen lots of Canadian adds lately for it. Nice to see it charting. I wonder if Jive would consider launching Kris internationally (outside north amercia I mean)?

  123. saga

    well Kris just came back from Asia, where he has had 2 songs off his album chart well, his album and single have performed well in New Zealand and I saw that his album is going to be released in Japan in March. So it sounds like Jive has at least some plan to launch him internationally. Whether that will include Europe is TBD. I hope they will send him on some sort of promotional tour to Canada now that LLWD is charting

  124. the false feeling among the public that we’re doing something by merely *listening*

    lucy, I better understand your point. And yes if one doesn’t do nothing, it sounds like a “disconnected from reality” feeling for whoever would think that he has helped only by ‘merely listening’. And yes, those who can help more should..
    However any help is better than no help and I totally agree with any actions in that direction

  125. I don’t know why Jive wouldn’t let Kris use one of his own songs, unless it was because of his already low sales for the album. In David Cook’s case, RCA let him use a live version of an album song for charity; of course, his album was well beyond platinum at that point, so maybe he had room to negotiate. Using your own song you give up more, since I assume he would not get the typical songwriter’s royalties, nor his cut as performer (of course, some of the album versions also sold, for which he got paid; album sales also rose). Maybe it relates to co-writers agreeing to this? Maybe Raine Maida agreed and Kris’s co-writers did not? Of course David’s song fit, because it was written for his brother, who was afflicted with the disease the charity raised money for. Though Kris’s songs don’t fit like that, neither does Let It Be. Excuse the stream-of-consciousness speculation.

    On another note, Orianthi is an even newer act than Kris, from what I can tell, hardly an established artist. Hyped a bit, perhaps, but not established. The Script are popular in Europe, but are still trying to break in the U.S., so they could not be called established in the U.S. Shakira and Jay Sean are probably better comparisons, or Nathanson or Kearney.

  126. Any idea how LLWD is doing on the Canadian top40 or HAC chart?

    The only Canadian chart I could find that goes past 20 postions is the Radio Airplay chart. LLWD has jumped from 93 to 79. This is because most Cdn cities are just starting to play it. On Cdn itunes, LLWD is doing pretty well #23 for the sing #24 for Kris Allen the album.

    Adam’s WWFM on the other hand is played all the time and is at #14 radio airplay and #9 digital download.

  127. I’m wondering if they initially only want one person from Idol each year and had chosen Adam but eventually realized that Kris was doing well so they should have him as well.

    This sounds pretty plausible to me. I can see why they wouldn’t want to overwhelm Canadian airwaves with *U.S.* idols — unless they see that those people are really standouts in their own right, Idol finish aside. Could very well be what’s happened here, I would think. Anyway, congrats to Kris for cracking Toronto. Nice big market. Maybe they’ll buy some albums!

  128. Masieta: It’s not just Kris’ album cannot be found. Adam’s album couldn’t be found for a long period of time. Some stores were out of stock since Xmas time. It’s strange to me though. I can always see SuBo, Carrie, and other singers’ albums in the stores with plenty of copies in stock. Hmmm….

  129. I remember lots of Cook fans wanted him to rock out with his song “Barbasol” on the Finale last year, but he chose to do the song for his brother instead. Course, it was on his album, so I guess that’s not a good comparison. Never mind.

    Part of the reason that Cook was able to offer up Permanent as a charity single is that his cowriters were Raine Maida and Chantal Kreviazuk, and they are noted for participating in social action. They were willing to sign off on the rights. Not to mention that the label and 19 had a few weeks to jump through the logistic hoops. ETA: IndyMuse and I were on the same page.

    I’m sure Allen’s cowriters are all nice people, and they might have agreed to the same thing given enough time, but it was probably a lot easier to get Let it Be cleared for Haitian relief since Jennifer Hudson just did it.

    Charity singles are of course no substitute for committed action. But at the same time, every repeated performance of the song is a reminder in the ear of the listener that there is still a need, which one doesn’t get with a cell phone bill or even a charity thank-you letter.

    I think this is as much as could be expected from KA given the time constraints.

  130. Kris’ album sales are probably on par or better than Orianthi. I’m too lazy to look it up. His album sales are on par with most Top 40 artistss working on their first hit single. It’s just they’re bad for an Idol winner.

    Stores stock albums of the top sellers. The cut off used to be 10K a week. Sell less than that and they won’t reorder your album. That number may have changed for there’s no big conspiracy going on. Stay in the Top 10 on the BB200 and stores will stock your album. Fall down the charts and they won’t bother.

  131. Lock:
    02/24/2010 at 1:53 pm
    Masieta: It’s not just Kris’ album cannot be found. Adam’s album couldn’t be found for a long period of time. Some stores were out of stock since Xmas time. It’s strange to me though. I can always see SuBo, Carrie, and other singers’ albums in the stores with plenty of copies in stock. Hmmm….

    Many stores just finished inventory.. and generally order the least amount as possible to fill the shelves between Dec. 31st and Feb. Restocking should start to happen over the next few weeks.

  132. I think for Kris to sing one of his songs when his participation on the show is suppose to be about helping Haiti wouldn’t work. I think he made the right choice deciding to sing Let it Be (well, I might have selfish reasons to think that since I love the song and imagine that Kris will sing it beautifully – can´t wait to hear it). And I believe that he will get a bump in sales for both his album and his single anyway, just for apearing.

    I do find it odd, though, that se sings so many covers on his live shows. He has an album out and he should be promoting his original songs. 1/3 of his set on the Kradison concert was of covers. Why is that? I remember that one of the reviews of Adam’s NYE concert said that the best part of the concert was WLL. I wasn’t very happy about that, because to me it highlights the fact that none of his original songs is as good as WLL. I also thought that Lyndsey Parker’s review of Kris’ set at the Kradison concert was more positive about his covers than his original music. Maybe singing so many covers just reminds people the fact that LLWD is no Come Together. I love when Adam sings WLL but I don’t think is good for his career when concert reviewers says that was the best part of the show.

    I don’t know if I’m making any sense. The part of my brain that tries to speak english is not really working today. And maybe I went off topic.

    Anyway, can’t wait for tomorrow night: Kris, Allison and results!

  133. Oh and props to SuBo for being the only album this week to gain in sales. :) Moving nicely towards 4xplat.

  134. Soberba.. here is my take on the covers getting good reception. Everyone loves when a classic song is sung well. There is a reason why it is classic. I wouldn’t expect LLWD to ever be a “Let It Be” song. For each memorable songs out there, think about how many mediocre songs the originating artist sang before he/she hit it out of the ballpark. Plus classics are really special.. they are like a fine wine that seep into the collective conscience. How many time do you think you’ve heard just “let it be” and by how many different people, over how many years? Now pick any of Kris’s or Adam’s songs, how many times would a reviewer have listened to it? half a dozen –maybe?

  135. Did Toronto embrace Archie last year?

    It’s funny you mention this, last year they played both Davids virtually back to back when they released their first singles. (Every time they’d play Archie they’d play Cook within 10 minutes, it was quite comical). Chum-fm had Archie play at their Christmas breakfast show concert to raise money for charity. I was hoping they’d invite Kris this past Christmas, but the station wasn’t playing him. I’m hoping they’ll add him to their big concert in Barbados in April.

  136. Canadian published rolling chart top 40 monitored

    23 11 Adam Lambert WWFM 537 431 106 5.311
    38 37 Kris Allen LLWD 219 186 33 1.607

    Canadian published rolling chart Hot AC monitored

    9 4 Adam Lambert WWFM 592 494 98 3.936
    42 41 Kris Allen LLWD 141 131 10 0.433

  137. He’s superb at performing covers, it’s one of his great talents and not only that, when he begins any one of his well-known covers, the audience always bursts into applause and cheers, signaling their approval. They seem to enjoy these covers immensely, as I do. He likes to do them, his audience likes to listen to them. It’s musicality. It’s greatly entertaining. And I for one hope he continues to do exactly as he has been doing.

    I disagree with you when it comes to covers. Any successful artist performs their own songs, not someone elses. I would not be impressed if I went to a BonJovi concert and they performed other people’s songs.

    Since Kris is so good at covers, maybe he and Susan Boyle can cut a cd together.

  138. It’s hard for me to feel sorry for Kris over his album sales. A guy who year ago was going to college and selling shoes and could now be pulling in over a million dollars in earnings. If I was Kris, I would not need the pity party. I would just look at my bank statements and smile.

  139. at this rate, kris needs to appear on idol every week to make gold

  140. Only in the idol-bubble is this true, IMO. If Kris was any other artist without the Idol winner albatross on his neck his sales would be great. He doesn’t have the hype surrounding him that has propelled Adam’s great sales. If he wasn’t an Idol guy, his album sales numbers wouldn’t cause anyone to ban an eyelash at them.

    That “Idol winner albatross” comes with an advance of $350,000 for Kris’s first album which is roughly 2.5 to 3 times what a respectable recording contract for a new artist would be. Plus, he gets another $100,000 as an advance on royalties from a 3-year merchandising deal.

    And, with the Idol machine behind him, he received performance spots on GMA, Regis & Kelly, Ellen, Bonnie Hunt, Letterman, So You Think You Can Dance, and Billboard’s NYE Live. He also participated in the Walt Disney World Christmas Day Parade and a slew of Jingle Balls, sang the National Anthem at the NFC game and put up a 5-song set on AOL Music sessions. And those are just his high profile gigs since mid-November when his album dropped. He obviously had a whole host of performances right after the Idol finale when he made his winner’s victory lap in NY and LA which helped get his “name” out there (to the non-Idol crowd, that is). And there was the Idols Tour which was fairly successful as summer concerts go and which also helped with the name recognition factor. Now he is about to appear on the number 1 rated show in the country which hopefully will jog the collective memories of the 24 million or so who tune in each week and perhaps spur some of them into checking out his album.

    There’s a reason expectations are high for Kris. It’s because a boatload of money and effort have already been invested in him. Kris is not just some new artist. He is an Idol guy and comparing his sales to others just starting out who haven’t had the same advantages he’s had is simply not valid, imo.

  141. This sounds pretty plausible to me. I can see why they wouldn’t want to overwhelm Canadian airwaves with *U.S.* idols — unless they see that those people are really standouts in their own right, Idol finish aside. Could very well be what’s happened here, I would think. Anyway, congrats to Kris for cracking Toronto. Nice big market. Maybe they’ll buy some albums

    Since we hear Daughtry, Kelly C and Kellie P and David Archuletta, David Cook, and Jordin… don’t be silly. That is not the reason Kris didn’t get added. Maybe we just found Adam more entertaining.

  142. I think for Kris to sing one of his songs when his participation on the show is suppose to be about helping Haiti wouldn’t work. I think he made the right choice deciding to sing Let it Be (well, I might have selfish reasons to think that since I love the song and imagine that Kris will sing it beautifully – can´t wait to hear it). And I believe that he will get a bump in sales for both his album and his single anyway, just for apearing.

    I agree and disagree. I think he’ll get a bump on his album just for appearing, and I don’t think an artist should sing something on his/her own album for a charity appearance if it’s not appropriate. I remember Carrie did George Michael’s Praying For Time for IGB, and Kelly Clarkson did some cover as well the year before, when her label wanted her to sing her single (Never Again), which she thought made no sense to do for IGB. Those are good examples where doing a cover is the right choice.

    That said, I think if a song on your album suits the spirit of the charity event, it would be great as well, and not necessarily just self-serving. I thought Daughtry’s acoustic What About Now worked fairly well in context of spurring people towards giving/making a difference. A lot of artists did their own songs on the Hope for Haiti telethon and it didn’t seem self-serving to me at all. Lastly, I don’t *really* see how Let it Be suits the Haiti efforts anyway. All in all, I’m not thrilled with this decision for Kris to do a cover of Let it Be. I’m sure it’ll be great nonetheless. I’m also looking forward to seeing Allison do Scars. Hope they both get good sales bumps.

  143. I think it is very classy of Kris to sing “Let it Be” instead of one of his own songs. It isn’t about him, it’s about Haiti.

    Any successful artists performs their own songs, not someone elses. I would not be impressed if I went to a BonJovi concert and they performed other people’s songs.

    Apparently Pink isn’t a successful artist as she sings covers at her concerts.

  144. I disagree with you when it comes to covers. Any successful artists performs their own songs, not someone elses. I would not be impressed if I went to a BonJovi concert and they performed other people’s songs.

    Most artists perform covers interspersed with their own stuff. People generally enjoy both.

    Also, at the Kradison concert, Kris was running on no sleep and jet lag. He performed basically the same sets he did in Asia, where he purposefully had performed some of his Idol covers. That set was well-rehearsed since it had just been played. he was also playing with a different drummer then his usual drummer since Ryland was on a tour with his old group.

  145. Any successful artists performs their own songs, not someone elses. I would not be impressed if I went to a BonJovi concert and they performed other people’s songs.

    Lots of successful artists mix covers in with their own songs at concerts. the crowd loves it. in fact, bon jovi frequently performs hallelujah at their concerts. its gorgeous. i see nothing wrong with kris or adam, or anyone, mixing a few covers in during their shows. its always fun.

  146. is kris’ next single going to be promoted to radio very well? bc archie had a huge hit and sold 700K+ and jive didnt handle/promote the second single barely if at all, i know bc i followed archie last year

  147. There’s a reason expectations are high for Kris. It’s because a boatload of money and effort have already been invested in him. Kris is not just some new artist. He is an Idol guy and comparing his sales to others just starting out who haven’t had the same advantages he’s had is simply not valid, imo.

    I don’t know… Idol sales are an anomaly in the music business. Comparing idol alumn numbers is not giving anything, it really is no indication of success. We’ve seen some idols sell hugely and not working in the long run… I think the most healthy is to compare to artist in the music business not coming from idol.

  148. That is not the reason Kris didn’t get added. Maybe we just found Adam more entertaining.

    I find Kris as entertaining as Adam. I’m glad they’re finally starting to play him on the radio, and will enjoy listening to both Kris and Adam on the radio.

  149. Since we hear Daughtry, Kelly C and Kellie P and David Archuletta, David Cook, and Jordin… don’t be silly. That is not the reason Kris didn’t get added. Maybe we just found Adam more entertaining.

    But wouldn’t there be room for both Adam and Kris to entertain the Canadian radio public just as there is room for them both in the US.

  150. All previous Idols are good at covers that is what they do on the show. But they should perform their own music for the most part with maybe one or two covers thrown in when they go on the road. Kris should get a bump when he is on Idol tomorrow. I would think his CD sales will be better. He has been well represented on Idol this year with a commercial on every show. His management have done a very good job with him.

  151. All concerts have covers. Pink did some killer ones on her Funhouse tour. The DeVinyls, hot! Bon Jovi does some. I just saw Sugar Ray a little while ago and they did a few. It’s fun, people like to sing along to classic songs.

    When I saw Cook, he did two covers and the show was only a little over an hour. And they were fantastic! If a set is 5 songs and there are 2 covers, I might complain a bit. This conversation sure took a tangent.

  152. I think Jive was satisfied with Archie’s album sales and didn’t want the expense of promoting a 2nd single. Releasing singles ain’t cheap. Plus Top 40 radio wasn’t all that friendly to Archie’s music. Crush sold 2 million downloads but never broke into the top 10 on the Pop chart.And it was really the only Top 40 song on the album. Kris really, really needs a hit 2nd single so I think Jive will support him. Jive is cheap but has never given up on anyone it’s signed from Idol. They’re all still with the label (so far).

  153. I don’t know… Idol sales are an anomaly in the music business. Comparing idol alumn numbers is not giving anything, it really is no indication of success. We’ve seen some idols sell hugely and not working in the long run… I think the most healthy is to compare to artist in the music business not coming from idol.

    I don’t think you can compare them directly to new artists because most new artists don’t get to advertise themselves to 20 million plus people each week for 5 months straight. LOL. They arrive at the marketplace with a huge advantage… name recognition, a fanbase, set promo opportunities, access to national media, an album with input from established hitmakers, etc. Idols are not normal and I don’t think you can judge them that way. Even the ones who are treated badly by message board standards get more than most new acts. And after 8 seasons of this, we have a pretty good idea at what all these advantages should be able to do for a popular contestant, whether they won or not.

    To me, it is hard to argue that Kris’ albums sales are anything but bad under the circumstances. Whether he got more or less promo than Adam doesn’t matter. He’s not doing great in that department no matter how you slice it.

    BUT, how the Idol audience has reacted to him is not the whole story. Everybody knows you can’t build a lasting career on that alone. So if Kris can manage to reach an audience outside of Idol he will still make his label a profit. His song is doing well so there is every reason to think he has a real shot. Personally, I don’t think a whole lot of cash has been spent of Kris to the point that he has no chance of making Jive some money. I would guess that is still within reach. I guess we’ll see. But I think Kris will be ab;e to find a profitable path that keeps him putting out albums and making a living doing so.

    I think Jive was satisfied with Archie’s album sales and didn’t want the expense of promoting a 2nd single.

    I’ve never understood that wording. That implies the label could have made more money but didn’t feel like pursuing it. LOL. If that was true their shareholders would strangle them. More likely Jive felt like the expense of promoting the single further wouldn’t have been worth the returns, in fact it might have even cut into their profits, so they stopped. Somebody ran some numbers and decided there was no more money to be made. The project had lost momentum. The end.

    That’s probably what you were trying to say anyway, but that wording has always been just weird to me.

    That said I’m SURE he made them a profit. I think Jive loves them some Archie right about now.

  154. I think the reason why Jive didn’t release more singles from Archies album is not that they were satisfied with the album sales (which I am sure they were), but that there were no track on the album that would chart if it was released as a single. Singles are released with the goal to get played on the radio, hopefully. If there is no chance to get airplay, why release a single?

  155. Since we hear Daughtry, Kelly C and Kellie P and David Archuletta, David Cook, and Jordin… don’t be silly. That is not the reason Kris didn’t get added. Maybe we just found Adam more entertaining.

    Good point. … But I was mainly meaning that it seemed plausible to me that Canadian stations would hang back from automatically adding U.S. Idol winners just because of their fame and what I expect would be a very strong label push, as a lot of U.S. stations seem to do with the actual Idol’s first singles — especially when they’ve already got somebody else from the most recent season of the show, i.e., Adam in this case, in play — and would instead wait until and if the person had proved him/herself to them in some way. Which is basically what you’re saying, too, I believe?

  156. Adam’s album sales are okay. He’s in the ballpark with Archie and could equal his sales from last year. It’s hard to predict. Adam is just lucky he didn’t win Idol because his sales are meh compared to Cook’s at this time last year. They just don’t suck as bad as Kris’. Actually Cook probably sold more than all three of the S8 albums out combined. And many fans though his sales were a disappointment because they paled compared to Daughtry’s. :)

    Expectations have sure changed for Idol albums.

  157. I don’t think you can compare them directly to new artists because most new artists don’t get to advertise themselves to 20 million plus people each week for 5 months straight. LOL. They arrive at the marketplace with a huge advantage… name recognition, a fanbase, set promo opportunities, access to national media, an album with input from established hitmakers, etc. Idols are not normal and I don’t think you can judge them that way. Even the ones who are treated badly by message board standards get more than most new acts. And after 8 seasons of this, we have a pretty good idea at what all these advantages should be able to do for a popular contestant, whether they won or not.

    I just don’t think any of this matters. The comparison between idol alumns is an idol bubble game. The important thing for longevity is to get radio to accept your songs. And for that to happen you need to have hit singles. Yes, the idols have the advantage of an initial sale boost that new artist doesn’t have, they are like new artist but with an inbuilt fanbase. Not many AI peeps have been able to use this gift wisely though. If you don’t have quality stuff it will just be a one time deal.

  158. That “Idol winner albatross” comes with an advance of $350,000 for Kris’s first album which is roughly 2.5 to 3 times what a respectable recording contract for a new artist would be. Plus, he gets another $100,000 as an advance on royalties from a 3-year merchandising deal.

    Oh come on! Being an idol winner is not some albatross around his neck, without being on idol he wouldn’t even have a major label cd today! With all the extra promotion that comes from being an idol winner you cannot treat it like it is a bad thing.

    What I said was “the albatross of post-Idol sales expectations“.

    Taylor Hicks sold about 800,000 copies of his CD, a number that a lot of artists would be thrilled to have, and the PTB and some the Media call him a “failure”. The Media made a big deal when Jordin was the “lowest debuting AI winner ever”. That’s what I mean.

    It’s ridiculous of course, because sales are not reflective of quality or long term potential and the artists themselves aren’t making a big deal about it because they’ve got good deals and are making money doing what they love.

  159. I just don’t think any of this matters. The comparison between idol alumns is an idol bubble game. The important thing for longevity is to get radio to accept your songs. And for that to happen you neet to have hit singles. Yes, the idols have the advantage of an initial sale boost that new artist doesn’t have, they are new artist with an inbuilt fanbase. Not many AI peeps have been able to use this gift wisely though. If you don’t have quality stuff it will just be a one time deal.

    I get you, I even agree to a degree on the longevity part, but I still don’t think it’s fair to make a direct comparison between someone like Matt Nathanson’s sales and Kris’ and say “oh Kris is doing better/okay/worse” or something like that because Matt Nathanson did not have the kind of launch that Kris had. That’s all I mean. He’s not your typical new artist. Maybe you can look at their week to week totals now that idol fan stuff should be drying up, but you can’t look at their overall totals and say much of anything IMO.

  160. FYE is moving up the charts in Japan!

    from http://twitter.com/mmyy9

    FYE by ADAM LAMBERT will be played in “US Top 20” on MTV JAPAN, Feb-26 27:30 – 29:30 http://bit.ly/9v9wNQ
    about 5 hours ago via TweetDeck

    FYE moved up from #5 to #2 on Usen Foreign Music Chart (Feb-24) RT @adamlambertJP: http://bit.ly/alVELE (w/requesting info in Japanese)
    about 8 hours ago via TweetDeck

    FYE by ADAM LAMBERT moved up from #55 to #39 on Billboard Japan Hot 100 (Week of March 1, 2010) http://bit.ly/a29te6
    about 10 hours ago via TweetDeck

    FYE by ADAM LAMBERT moved up from #43 to #32 on Billboard Japan Hot Top Airplay (Week of March 1, 2010) http://bit.ly/aKn07A
    about 10 hours ago via TweetDeck

    ‚e‚x‚d by ADAM LAMBERT moved up from #55 to #39 on Billboard Japan Hot 100 (Week of March 1, 2010) http://bit.ly/a29te6
    about 10 hours ago via TweetDeck

  161. Yes, Idols function exactly like any new artist who gets to appear before 25 million people on the biggest show on TV. And then gets to appear on Leno, Oprah, Ellen, etc. However, the advantage does fade with time as the attention goes to the new season. I think by the time album 2 comes out they are functioning more like “normal” recording artists.Actually S8 sales are more like new artist sales than any other season. So it’s possible the Idol advantage has faded.

  162. Actually S8 sales are more like new artist sales than any other season. So it’s possible the Idol advantage has faded.

    That is quite possible. It may have nothing to do with these guys at all, and everything to do with the idol audience being fatigued or the skewing older and older. I guess we’ll see what happens over the next few seasons.

  163. I get you, I even agree to a degree on the longevity part, but I still don’t think it’s fair to make a direct comparison between someone like Matt Nathanson’s sales and Kris’ and say “oh Kris is doing better/okay/worse” or something like that because Matt Nathanson did not have the kind of launch that Kris had. That’s all I mean. He’s not your typical new artist. Maybe you can look at their week to week totals now that idol fan stuff should be drying up, but you can’t look at their overall totals and say much of anything IMO.

    The idols certainly get things “for free”… I agree. I guess it’s up to each of them to work that the best they can, whatever they are given (whatever fanbase they have after idol).

    I just think that being a one-time album seller like Hicks is worse from the labels point of view (Jive, RCA) than having lower intitial sales but connecting to radio.

    I am a bit suprised that they haven’t tried going the niche route with some of the Ai alumns though… like Buble etc. Some of them just don’t fit on pop and would probably sell a lot more as niche artists (yes, those artists can sell like crazy).

  164. I just think that being a one-time album seller like Hicks is worse from the labels point of view (Jive, RCA) than having lower intitial sales but connecting to radio.

    I totally agree with you there. I think if Taylor had HUGE one time sales he would have at least made them a profit, but I doubt they broke even on him. And since he never had a radio hit, he left them no hope for the future. So to me, Kris is way better off than Taylor, even if he sold less albums.

  165. Where are the single sales numbers…?

    I know, bored with album numbers. Plus I want to look at all those positive Kris single numbers and feel better about the album ones. Or at least ignore them.

  166. I am a bit suprised that they haven’t tried going the niche route with some of the Ai alumns though… like Buble etc. Some of them just don’t fit on pop and would probably sell a lot more as niche artists (yes, those artists can sell like crazy).

    Yesterday I came up with the type of radio play that all the AI winners could/would be marketed towards. The only one I wasn’t able to place easily was Taylor, and I think it could explain a lot of the problems he had beyond his initial labum sales. I’m going to repost it here since it seems to fit into our discussion.

    Kelly – Pop, HAC, AC
    Ruben – Urban, UAC
    Fantasia – Urban, UAC
    Carrie – Coutry, HAC, AC
    Taylor – ????
    Jordin – Pop, HAC, AC
    Cook – Pop, HAC, AC, possibly rock if he loses the AI stigma
    Kris – Pop, HAC, AC

    There have been other successful people who have connected that haven’t won of course: Daughtry, Archie, Pickler, Adam all come to mind of course and then there is JHud, Mandisa, Kat McPhee just got a new lease and seems to be doing well on AC.

    But the point I was making is that there has never been a need for AI to try and go for the true niche type singers. With the exception of Taylor, the winners seem to have had styles that could transfer over to more general music areas raher then going for the niches.

  167. I know, bored with album numbers. Plus I want to look at all those positive Kris single numbers and feel better about the album ones. Or at least ignore them.

    Hehe. We’ll get good WWFM numbers today as well since it has been charting higher this week!

  168. Taylor Hicks sold over 700,000 albums. I don’t know the singles number and too lazy to look (somebody?)It is safe to say that they broke even and even made a profit…

  169. But the point I was making is that there has never been a need for AI to try and go for the true niche type singers. With the exception of Taylor, the winners seem to have had styles that could transfer over to more general music areas raher then going for the niches.

    Well Fantasia and Ruben is not really working on those format are they?

  170. I am a bit suprised that they haven’t tried going the niche route with some of the Ai alumns though… like Buble etc. Some of them just don’t fit on pop and would probably sell a lot more as niche artists (yes, those artists can sell like crazy).

    Isn’t that what it looks like they are going for this year? At least with the girls so far. Indie/jazz/ etc. And some country.

    That’s really exciting news coming from Japan!

  171. I just think that being a one-time album seller like Hicks is worse from the labels point of view (Jive, RCA) than having lower intitial sales but connecting to radio.

    I totally agree with you there. I think if Taylor had HUGE one time sales he would have at least made them a profit, but I doubt they broke even on him. And since he never had a radio hit, he left them no hope for the future. So to me, Kris is way better off than Taylor, even if he sold less albums.

    I thirdly agree. I hope that JIVE will continue to support Kris because of this. And I might add that Kris ONLY release a first single from this album which almost platinum, so I still have high hopes that the album will continue to sell.

  172. Well Fantasia and Ruben is not really working on those format are they?

    Ruben is currently #16 on the UAC charts. Fantasia is in the studio for her next release so she’s in a similar place as someone like David Cook and doesn’t have anything n the charts right now. Urban and UAC might not be as big or out there as Pop and HAC but they are well established genres.

    Isn’t that what it looks like they are going for this year? At least with the girls so far. Indie/jazz/ etc. And some country.

    i actually got the impression they are looking for the female singer/songwriter. They got the male version last year even if it wasn’t what they were looking for, now they want the female – at least that’s how I see it.

  173. Where are the digital sales numbers???? Don’t they usually come out by now???

  174. i doubt jive will be dropping kris. the freaking backstreet boys where their biggest sellers last year and they sold less than adam has already (400K)……jive used to be the big dogs in the old days, now they could easily go bankrupt without another big moneymaker,chris brown, selling nething for them and everyone on their label doing crap, except for britney, even shes not selling like she used to. i bet they are trying to make justin timberlake release something asap. if kris is their biggest seller this year so far that is pitiful for a company and barry weiss is probably glad he got a promotion

  175. I disagree with you when it comes to covers. Any successful artists performs their own songs, not someone elses. I would not be impressed if I went to a BonJovi concert and they performed other people’s songs.

    I saw Kris at Mechanics Hall in Worcester. It was an acoustic Christmas concert. I think he performed seven numbers with his band. Live Like We’re Dying, Can’t Stay Away, Alright With Me, Is It Over, and Heartless (all from his album; Heartless is the bonus track), as well as Man In The Mirror and The Christmas Song (Chestnuts roasting on an open fire). The audience was impressed, as you can hear if you watch the videos on YouTube. I was impressed. Guess that’s all I can tell you.

  176. LOL.. so “maybe” there is no grand conspiracy… Maybe people just need to be a little more patient.

    Or maybe the famous handler at RCA has been working hard… or maybe this is just a fluke thing.

  177. Actually S8 sales are more like new artist sales than any other season. So it’s possible the Idol advantage has faded.

    Personally I think the ramp is within sight and the shark is circling below.

  178. LOL.. so “maybe” there is no grand conspiracy… Maybe people just need to be a little more patient.

    Or maybe the famous handler at RCA has been working hard… or maybe this is just a fluke thing.

    I don’t care what the reason is, someone working hard behind the curtain or them just being slow to add. Kelly, Daughtry and Kris have nice pictures in the banner on their website, so they must like their idols! And I said I’d buy some ketchup. Does the fact that it’s unmonitored mean that it doesn’t count in the spin counts?

    And I’ve decided I don’t know what indie means vs singer/songwriter when talking about niche artists. isn’t singer/songwriter a niche? so confusing.

  179. i think that the show just does not have the younger demo that it used to (the audience they are geared towards), plus the show isnt what it used to be, only a few of the younger generation i know even watches it nemore

  180. I totally agree with you there. I think if Taylor had HUGE one time sales he would have at least made them a profit, but I doubt they broke even on him. And since he never had a radio hit, he left them no hope for the future. So to me, Kris is way better off than Taylor, even if he sold less albums.

    Kinda sorta. By the time February rolled around, Taylor’s label knew he was done and quit spending any more real $$ promoting him. With 700,000 albums sold and maybe a few thousand singles, let’s say that Taylor’s label had generated conservatively $7M from him. At this stage Kris, with around 300K albums sold and an almost platinum single has generated $4M for Jive. At this stage, Taylor’s label knew that they could close the books on his album, book the profit and call it a day — a relatively successful day given the vagaries of the musical industry. On the other hand, with Kris, it’s very possible that they may not yet have made a profit (cost of the album, promo, video, pushing single on radio, band for purposes of appearances, travel, distribution, etc.) AND they are still at that crossroads of figuring out how much to spend on his next single and whether that will yield the returns they want. They have one successful single, but no guarantees whether he’ll have more (see Archie) and whether that single will finally drive album sales.

  181. girlygirl:
    02/24/2010 at 4:35 pm
    Still no download sales numbers for the singles?

    IKR??? I’m losing my patience waiting lol

  182. ith 700,000 albums sold and maybe a few thousand singles, let’s say that Taylor’s label had generated conservatively $7M from him.

    Nah, the label only gets the wholesale price, not he full sticker amount. Plus they have to pay mechanical royalties to all the songwriters from day one, they don’t have to wait for recoupment. Plus they split some of it with 19R. So lets say that after all is said and done, the RCA and 19R grossed 3.5 million. Now Taylor had Santana’s producer, they brought songs from Diane Warren and Rob Thomas, etc. He has expensive studio time, studio musicians. He also had a promo budget… someone had to pay for the band and for everyone to travel to all his TV appearances.. etc etc etc. They had to front some money. So if they made a profit it was not a big one, I think. And there was not much hope for more to come in. Taylor came along when everyone expected an idol winner would easily go platinum at least, there’s a good bet they budgeted accordingly.

    Kris came along in the post-Taylor ear, and he’s with a label that would not necessarily spend on him expecting something huge to happen. And he is still showing potential to keep selling records. So I think in the long term he will be okay.

  183. With seven seasons preceding them, season eight Idols are competing with former Idols, some who have fans who were still fiercely devoted to them. Also, at this point, we are starting to see duplication in style so this will be a major problem from here on out IMO. Sales numbers will never be what they once were for Idol.

    This duplication factor will probably make TPTB try even harder to manipulate the outcome. This stinks for viewers.

  184. This duplication factor will probably make TPTB try even harder to manipulate the outcome. This stinks for viewers.

    I still think in the end, America wins. Last year, they obviously didn’t want another guy with a guitar to win it. America won. This year, they want a “Taylor Swift”. Looking at yesterday’s performances, America will win once again… unless they decide to fix the show once and for all.

  185. Regarding digital sales number: I got impatient and emailed Brian Mansfield. Shockingly, he responded to me. Here is his response:

    “I’m hoping to have the rest of my usual sales figures later today (the person who supplies most of my data is out of the office today). But if you’re asking about iTunes sales from the performances, those won’t be made public.”

    I replied that I wasn’t interested in S9 sales, just S8 and prior. I also told him the world was waiting for his report! :-)

  186. I still think in the end, America wins. Last year, they obviously didn’t want another guy with a guitar to win it. America won.

    America didn’t win last year, Kris’s fans and those who didn’t like Adam got the outcome they wanted. In the end, it worked out best for both Kris and Adam, so all is well that ends well. :)

  187. America didn’t win last year, Kris’s fans and those who didn’t like Adam got the outcome they wanted. In the end, it worked out best for both Kris and Adam, so all is well that ends well.

    undercooked, it’s the same year after year. The 2 previous years, don’t you think there weren’t a lot that didn’t like Blake or Archie style?

    it’s the first time i’m seeing the single sales being reported so late in the day.. *fingers tapping*

  188. Brian posted this in the comments section of his blog:

    Brian Mansfield (20 friends, send message) wrote: 54m ago
    I haven’t received my usual data with the tracks, additional albums and digital info yet (my usual contact for that is out of the office today). I’ll post something as quickly as I can once it comes in.

  189. undercooked, it’s the same year after year. The 2 previous years, don’t you think there weren’t a lot that didn’t like Blake or Archie style?

    True. I just think the phrase “America won” isn’t quite accurate. That seems to imply that the majority of Americans had a say in the outcome of AI, when we know that only a small percentage of viewers vote. But I agree, there are always going to be disappointed fans of contestants who lose. The AI voting system is flawed, but that has always been the case. I think those who make it to the top 5 are all usually worthy of the win. I just wouldn’t use the phrase “America won.” Rather, I would use the phrase “judges lose.” :)

  190. My problem with TPTB and their manipulation is not that they can control the outcome (sometimes it even majorly backfires) but that it just gets so annoying.

    I would just enjoy the show much more if they would just honestly state their opinions with no agenda. Apparently there is a clause in their contracts that this is not allowed. LOL

  191. Update from Brian Mansfield – He just emailed me this:

    “Sorry — I’m at the mercy of my connection’s schedule. I’ll get ’em up as quickly as I can after she sends them to me (and right now that’s looking like it may not be before tonight’s show).”

    I wish I were a more patient person sometimes…….

  192. I just wouldn’t use the phrase “America won.” Rather, I would use the phrase “judges lose.”

    haha.. i would just say that it is what the AI public wanted. Do you think the 4 judges were rooting for Adam? I know for sure that’s what Simon and Randy wanted. But for Paula and Kara? maybe but it’s not a certainty for me

  193. Kris has his first top 20 hit on the Billboard Hot 100!

    LW-TW
    21-19 Live Like We’re Dying – Kris Allen
    31-28 Whataya Want From Me – Adam Lambert

  194. haha.. i would just say that it is what the AI public wanted. Do you think the 4 judges were rooting for Adam? I know for sure that’s what Simon and Randy wanted. But for Paula and Kara? maybe but it’s not a certainty for me

    I think they wanted either Danny or Adam, and maybe even “save me” Matt. And they didn’t get any of those! :) So I think the judges lost as far as their pecking order of who they wanted to win. But having said that, I do think the judges liked Kris, but maybe not as much as the three mentioned, but perhaps more than Allison.

  195. jmaster

    That is actually Kris’s THIRD Top 20 hit — NoBo and Heartless also both went Top 20 on Billboard Top 100 chart.

    But yay!!!!!

  196. These are really horrible sales especially for Kris, wonder if a new single or an appearance on idol will make the numbers rebound But so far he’s selling 4 times less than Cook at the same period last year.

    Adam sales seems to stay more or less stable at more than 10 000, he could go the way of Jordin if he has a big hit (wheter it’s WWFM or IIHY).

    Daughtry is probably going platinium sometimes in April.

  197. Kris’s album is actually #25 on Itunes! I haven ‘t seen it that high there since it was release last November. Correct me if i’m wrong.

    ETA: YAY for making the top #20!!!!!!!!!!!!

  198. Adam’s album sales are okay. He’s in the ballpark with Archie and could equal his sales from last year.

    Adam’s FYE sales are running about 30% below DATR at this point, so that’s a pretty big ballpark lol. That said, I agree it’s possible he could catch up (or potentially pass) DA eventually depending on how his third single does. We’ll see.

  199. Kris’s album is actually #25 on Itunes! I haven ‘t seen it that high there since it was release last November. Correct me if i’m wrong.

    Just checked and you’re right. And #6 on pop. Woot!

  200. I still think in the end, America wins. Last year, they obviously didn’t want another guy with a guitar to win it. America won.

    If America won, then why didn’t America embrace its winner?

  201. If America won, then why didn’t America embrace its winner?

    Must be those hairy feet. (/snark)

    Please define “embraced.”

    Or what you think someone needs to accomplish to be defined as having been “embraced by America.”

    Are you defining it by album sales? If so, then can I ask, how many albums does an ex-contestant have to sell for you to qualify them as having been embraced by America? Is there a particular number?

    What are your criteria for it? I don’t see how it can be easily defined. Three Top 20 Billboard songs, as someone just mentioned, is pretty good, though.

  202. Billboard Hot 100

    LW-TW-Title-Artist
    21-19 Live Like We’re Dying – Kris Allen
    31-28 Whataya Want From Me – Adam Lambert
    40-42 Already Gone – Kelly Clarkson
    48-46 Life After You – Daughtry
    54-54 Temporary Home – Carrie Underwood
    46-60 Pants On The Ground – General Larry Platt

  203. BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR BRIAN MANSFIELD’S DIGITAL SALES NUMBERS!!! HE SAID HE JUST GOT THEM AND WOULD BE POSTING THEM SOON!!! YAY!!!

  204. From USA Today:

    “I’m getting ready for tonight’s show, but I just got the Nielsen SoundScan track data, and I know many of you have been wanting it all day.

    Some quick notes: Kris Allen’s Live Like We’re Dying, if it can sell about 700 more downloads this week than it did last week, will pass the 1 million mark. Meanwhile, Adam Lambert’s Whataya Want From Me very nearly unseated it as the week’s best-selling Idol track. Also, several tracks that the Top 24 performed during Hollywood made nice gains in downloads this week, notably Michael Jackson’s Man in the Mirror and Colbie Caillat’s Bubbly.

    Artists for Haiti, We Are the World 25 for Haiti (208,000, -22 percent, 475,000 total)
    Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (64,000, -2 percent, 935,000)
    Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me (61,000, +18 percent, 486,000)
    General Larry Platt, Pants on the Ground (51,000, -19 percent, 116,000)
    Daughtry, Life After You (31,000, -8 percent, 435,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Cowboy Casanova (27,000, -11 percent, 1.174 million)
    Carrie Underwood, Temporary Home (26,000, -4 percent, 222,000)
    Kelly Clarkson, Already Gone (17,000, -2 percent, 1.243 million)
    Helping Haiti, Everybody Hurts (14,000, +3 percent, 28,000)”

  205. BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR BRIAN MANSFIELD’S DIGITAL SALES NUMBERS!!! HE SAID HE JUST GOT THEM AND WOULD BE POSTING THEM SOON!!! YAY!!!

    That sounds like a state secret…

  206. Are folks tracking the rise of songs as featured on Idol?
    From last nights performances, current itunes rank:
    33 – The Way I Am (Didi)
    100 – Wicked Game (Siobhan)
    118 – Happy (Ashley)
    153 / 195 – Landslide (Lacey)
    180 – Feelin’ Good (Katie)

    Any I missed?

  207. Yay, singles sales numbers are in!

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/index

    Artists for Haiti, We Are the World 25 for Haiti (208,000, -22 percent, 475,000 total)
    Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (64,000, -2 percent, 935,000)
    Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me (61,000, +18 percent, 486,000)
    General Larry Platt, Pants on the Ground (51,000, -19 percent, 116,000)
    Daughtry, Life After You (31,000, -8 percent, 435,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Cowboy Casanova (27,000, -11 percent, 1.174 million)
    Carrie Underwood, Temporary Home (26,000, -4 percent, 222,000)
    Kelly Clarkson, Already Gone (17,000, -2 percent, 1.243 million)
    Helping Haiti, Everybody Hurts (14,000, +3 percent, 28,000)

  208. Great numbers for Kris and Adam again this week in terms of singles dowloads. WWFM will go gold for sure next week. LLWD has a shot of going platinum next week, but since it is currently sitting at #23 on iTunes, the week after next is more likely.

  209. Some quick notes: Kris Allen’s Live Like We’re Dying, if it can sell about 700 more downloads this week than it did last week, will pass the 1 million mark.

    Hmm. I don’t know if will be able to do that. Given that Kris will be on AI tomorrow, and the resultant bump in sales I expect he’ll get, from the single sales at least (yes, even though he’s not doing his single) I think he can do this. If not, then the week after for sure.

    And…yay!

    And a really good week for Adam as well. He should be able to be able to get into gold territory next week, for sure.

    Good for both, I’m happy. Well about that at least.

  210. Well, given what’s going on with Kris’ iTunes position, unless he gets a big bump from Idol, he’s likely to see a small decrease in single sales next week. Not really a problem, though. I can’t think of any reason to complain if it takes him two weeks instead of one to cross the million mark (except that it would be really fun if Adam went gold and Kris went platinum in the same week, so we could celebrate both of those milestones). Since he’s not performing LLWD tomorrow, I’m guessing there won’t be much of a sales bump, though. Oh well.

    ETA: So I guess we’re all thinking approximately the same things about LLWD. ;)

  211. Both of them so close to milestones is amazing.

    Also, the Billboard #s make me so happy – Kris has officially crossed into Billboard Top 20 with LLWD and Adam is slowly making his way there as well with WWFM.

  212. So, Adam will go gold next week, and Kris might very well go platinum. Excellent! Now, we just need Jive to get Scars out there so Allison can join her “brothers” on the charts.

  213. I don’t know, I think Kris should see a bump. In the least a small one. I happy to see both their sales are going well. :)

  214. Yay! Finally some good Kris news before we watch the show tonight!! Thanks J9BT and girlygirl! 64K is higher than I expected given that LLWD was drifting into the 20’s by weeks end. Now that it’s in the 20’s I expect it will take two weeks to reach platinum.

    Good sales for WWFM, too, and for the General! LOL

  215. I think they wanted either Danny or Adam, and maybe even “save me” Matt. And they didn’t get any of those! So I think the judges lost as far as their pecking order of who they wanted to win. But having said that, I do think the judges liked Kris, but maybe not as much as the three mentioned, but perhaps more than Allison.

    undercooked,///hmm, not so sure. I think for half the panel, Kris was the correct contestant in the final 2. Even Simon said that Kris totally deserved to be there

    If America won, then why didn’t America embrace its winner?

    I think it’s a combinaison of things…I’m pretty sure that a large audience of AI consists of families for which AI is a family activity. AND they are participating for the fun of it without being music consumers. ALSO a large part might have vote for Kris because he was more in their taste but not to the point of buying his album. ALSO Kris has been labeled as an undeserving winner by the medias (maybe not in those words but it was nevertheless the message) since he won AI, and it moght have prompt people to not look forward and buy his album.

  216. Great sale singles for our top 2!!!!! yay!!

    the chance is very slim for LLWD to reach platinium next week but it would be cool if it does. Maybe a lot of people will download his charity single and LLWD at the same occasion..

  217. Looks like the iTunes Idol album sale is doing more for Kris than the Valentines sale did for him two weeks ago. KATA is at 25 on the overall chart now (and #6 on pop). Go Kris!

    Adam is getting a nice bump, too. He’s at 50/13.

  218. Yay! I’m sure LLWD and WWFM will be platinun and gold next week. Good job boys!!!!!

    And I believe Allison will have a radio hit with Scars.

  219. If America won, then why didn’t America embrace its winner?

    Voting for someone to win AI is not the same as buying that person’s music. Never in the eight year history of this show has everyone who voted for someone turned around and also purchased that person’s music. But, even if voters do buy the music, that doesn’t mean that they embrace or like the music. For the most part, AI fans buy the music as a souvenir. BTW, AI viewers aren’t exactly the whole of America, so if Kris’ music doesn’t appeal to the fraction who watch the show, all is not lost, since there are plenty more people who will like and buy his music.

  220. Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me (61,000, +18 percent, 486,000)

    Wow! Nice numbers for WWFM! 18% increase!!!

  221. Nice numbers for LLWD! Yay! And to WWFM as well. platinum/gold is definitely in the corner, although I’m with those who are hoping it’ll be both next week (esp LLWD). That’d be cool. :)

    For KATA, I do hope Kris’ AI appearance will give it a nice boost.

  222. Wow! So happy to see the increase for WWFM! That is fantastic! I swear, the moment I fret over one thing, another comes around and makes everything a-ok :-)

  223. Kris’s album is now up to #21 on the overall iTunes chart (#6/#248 pop) while Adam’s is at #40/#304 overall (#11/#65 pop) & Allison is at #165 overall (#35/#152 pop)

  224. & Allison is at #165 overall (#35/#152 pop)

    So it looks as if she’s already getting a bit of an Idol bump? And she hasn’t even appeared on the show yet. ….

    Or is this *not* higher than she’s been — Or is there some factor I’m not remembering?

  225. Singles:

    22 ALLEN*KRIS LIVE LIKE WE’RE DYING 63,989 65,607 -2 935,389
    25 LAMBERT*ADAM WHATAYA WANT FROM ME 61,100 51,813 18 485,610
    34 PLATT*GENERAL LARRY PANTS ON THE GROUND 51,880 64,503 -20 153,636
    59 DAUGHTRY LIFE AFTER YOU 31,183 33,730 -8 434,702
    73 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE COWBOY CASANOVA 27,059 30,458 -11 1,174,429
    76 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE TEMPORARY HOME 26,021 26,894 -3 223,768
    117 CLARKSON*KELLY ALREADY GONE 17,315 17,695 -2 1,242,756
    157 SPARKS*JORDIN BATTLEFIELD 12,595 9,084 39 1,391,301

    Albums:

    20 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 21,188 26,296 -19 1,340,334
    54 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 11,799 13,745 -14 531,042
    57 DAUGHTRY LEAVE THIS TOWN 9,784 14,485 -32 952,095
    154 ALLEN*KRIS KRIS ALLEN 4,191 6,062 -31 265,484
    159 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE SOME HEARTS 4,070 5,529 -26 6,942,906
    179 DAUGHTRY DAUGHTRY 3,595 4,880 -26 4,638,483

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