Idol Sales News ‘“ Week Ending 12/20/09

Our first Billboard chart of 2010 continues with Kris atop the Idols singles download leader board. It was a good week for the Idols will all three in the top 50 gaining sales. More numbers to appear throughout the day as they become available.

After the Jump, today’s Idol Sales Numbers (Billboard Date 1/2/10)

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Despite being warned that our usual leaker is on holidays, he managed to find a computer this morning, give us an early Christmas present and leak the top 50 downloaded songs. We’ll have to wait until Brian posts numbers at Idol Chatter for the rest.

Download Numbers
28 Kris Allen “Live Like We’re Dying” 40, 355 (14%; lw 35, 553) Total: 290, 216 (28)
29 Kelly Clarkson “Already Gone” 38, 575 (18%; lw 32, 608) Total: 918, 287 (34)
36 Carrie Underwood “Cowboy Casanova” 32, 840 (3%; lw 31, 919) Total: 708, 766 (36)
Daughtry “Life After You” 24K (19%) Total: 105K
Adam Lambert “Whataya Want From Me” 20K (99%) Total: 52K
Adam Lambert “For Your Entertainment” 15K (12%) Total: 146K
Glee Cast “My Life Would Suck Without You” 11K (-74%) Total: 56K
Kelly Clarkson “My Life Would Suck Without You” 8K (-8%) Total: 2.166M

Album Numbers
5 Carrie Underwood’s “Play On” 153, 075 (44%; lw 106, 506 ) Total: 996, 712 (5) Digital: 3K (-31%) Digital Total: 104K
26 Adam Lambert “For Your Entertainment” 58, 584 (26%; lw 46, 429) Total: 354, 915 Digital: 3K (-1%) Total: 48K
49 David Archuleta “Christmas From the Heart” 31, 476 (2%; lw 30, 793) Total: 184, 515 Digital Total: 2K (-52%) Digital Total: 23K
50 Kris Allen “Kris Allen” 31, 465 (34%; lw 23, 460) Total: 189, 910 Digital: 1K (-32%) Digital Total: 32K
53 Daughtry “Leave This Town” 30, 189 (37%; lw 22, 107) Total: 835, 745 Digital: 1K (6%) Digital Total: 141K
116 Kelly Clarkson “All I Ever Wanted” 12, 921 (39%; lw 9, 326) Total: 796, 515 Digital Total: 167K
119 Allison Iraheta “Just Like You” 12, 352 (-12%; lw 14, 108) Total: 58, 127
Carrie Underwood “Some Hearts” 11K (42%) Total: 6.901M
Carrie Underwood “Carnival Ride” 11K (38%) Total: 3.028M
Daughtry “Daughtry” 10K (48%) Total: 4.597M
164 Kellie Pickler “Kellie Pickler” 7, 450 (18%; lw 6, 320) Total: 360, 367
174 Adam Lambert “Take One” 6, 853 (77%; lw 3, 866) Total: 30, 787
Mandisa “Freedom” 3K (69%) Total: 83K

Idol related and Glee:
10 Glee Cast ‘Glee: The Music, V2’ ³ 111K (-36; lw 172, 611) Total: ~283K (3)
13 Various “Now 32” 97, 016 (25%; lw 77, 673) Total: 546, 974 **NOW GOLD**
14 Glee Cast ‘Glee: The Music, V1’ ³ 94, 538 (11%; lw 84, 867) Total: 520, 963 **NOW GOLD**
42 Various “WOW Hits 2010” 37, 203 (44%; lw 25, 798) Total: 68, 699
86 Various “Now 31” 18, 007 (48%; lw 12, 197) Total: 821, 581

Total Album Sales Last Week: 15.14 million (up 12% from last week, down 12% compared to same week last year)
Total Album Sales Previous Week: 12 million units
Same Week Last Year: 17.16M
Total Album Sales so far this year: 357.5M (down 13% from previous year 411.4M)

Weekly/Yearly stats from Billboard

Rounded numbers from Brian at Idol Chatter

Last Week’s Numbers

Please post numbers as you find them. Thanks!

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170 Comments

  1. Anticipating questions:

    The cut-off for the Top 50 was 24,966 (Beyonce’s “Single Ladies (Put a Ring On It” which now totals 3,368,803 in sales).

    I’ll be very surprised if “Already Gone” isn’t platinum in the next few weeks. iTunes Giftcard Week moves a lot of units.

  2. Yeah for LLWD that song sure has alot of life to it. It’s the song that never dies.

  3. YAY @ Kris
    Wow, Kelly could get another platinum single soon and Carrie’s not too far off.

  4. Wohoo for Kris. I think that’s the 2nd week where he has led the idol single download!!
    LLWD is like the Eveready batteries – it just keeps on keeping on!!!

  5. LLWD is sitting nicely on iTunes as #23 so this looks like another good week for the song.

  6. Yeah for LLWD that song sure has alot of life to it. It’s the song that never dies.

    LLWD is just like Kris on AI, just moving along,no big hoopla, slow and steady, and, maybe, all the way to the top of the charts.

  7. Great news for Kris! Love him and the CD. He does not get enough credit for how talented he is. I watched all the videos from the Jingle Balls and he just keeps getting better. Anyone who says he has no stage presence must need to get their eyes checked. He is sexy as hell just doing his thing. He doesn’t need props other than his voice, his guitar, and a tight shirt. (OK he does need the KA Band too – but they are also cool in an oh-so-dorky but hot way.) And it’s not just young girls who like Kris. He appeals to people of all ages / females and males. I am still working on my husband. Kris’s love of guitars is catching the hubby’s attention.

    The album should gain momentum over time, just like LLWD. He needs a STRONG second single once LLWD has had it’s time – somewhere down the road. (My local station just started playing LLWD a few weeks ago and they play it several times a day now! And even announce his name instead of shunning him – I think they finally got it that he ROCKS.)

  8. Nice numbers.
    Off subject-
    “Christmass is coming the goose is getting fat
    please put a penny in the old mans hat if you don’t have a penny
    a hey-penny will do ,if you hav’en got a hey-penny god bless you”
    Merry X-Mass Kristen..

  9. Great news for Kris! Love him and the CD. He does not get enough credit for how talented he is. I watched all the videos from the Jingle Balls and he just keeps getting better. Anyone who says he has no stage presence must need to get their eyes checked.

    Just wanted to add that I am with you on Kris getting better and better with every live performance, so true. When my teenage daughter (big Krises fan, btw) and I went to the summer GMA concert in NYC (me going for Adam), I was very impressed with how much more confident Kris was, and singing was great as well. The whole concert was great, I actually loved to see David C live for the first time as well, he is just great, too. Also, I do think that Kris got the short end of the stick on AI, as well with all the post AI media coverage, but he is moving along and I do wish him the best.

  10. “Giavonna
    12/23/2009 at 8:49 am
    Great news for Kris! Love him and the CD. He does not get enough credit for how talented he is. I watched all the videos from the Jingle Balls and he just keeps getting better. Anyone who says he has no stage presence must need to get their eyes checked. He is sexy as hell just doing his thing. He doesn’t need props other than his voice, his guitar, and a tight shirt. (OK he does need the KA Band too ‘“ but they are also cool in an oh-so-dorky but hot way.) And it’s not just young girls who like Kris. He appeals to people of all ages / females and males. I am still working on my husband. Kris’s love of guitars is catching the hubby’s attention.

    The album should gain momentum over time, just like LLWD. He needs a STRONG second single once LLWD has had it’s time ‘“ somewhere down the road. (My local station just started playing LLWD a few weeks ago and they play it several times a day now! And even announce his name instead of shunning him ‘“ I think they finally got it that he ROCKS.)”

    ITA with this post. Love LLWD, love Kris, love his CD. I hope things continue in an upward direction for him because he is very talented. In my family, all love him from youngest to oldest!

  11. Yay, Kris! It’s great to see the momentum that LLWD has gotten. Judging from the JingleBall vids, the crowds have really gotten into that song — and into Kris and his band overall. I hope he and Jive pick his 2nd single wisely so they can build off this momentum once he goes out on tour.

  12. That’s awesome for Kris – good job! I heard LLWD twice on the CHR station here (99.5) yesterday… it makes me proud of Kris and envious all at once since they didn’t much love my Cookie, lol (but they still play Crush sometimes!).

  13. Wednesday Morning Mediabase Update – Top 40 format

    27 27 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dyin… 2184 2022 162 12.077
    40 34 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1311 871 440 9.977

    1-Day Update – Top 40
    27 = KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dyin… 2184 +43 162 +7 12.077 +0.311
    34 = ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1311 +47 440 -14 9.977 +0.465

    Mediabase Update – Hot AC

    HAC:
    15 12 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 1901 1831 70 8.469 +14 Spins
    -15 Bullet +0.147 AI
    44 43 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 268 226 42 1.629 -3 Spins
    -17 Bullet +0.076 AI

    iTunes (overall chart)

    #23 LLWD
    #46 WWFM

  14. girlygirl, you rock for bringing us those #s every day.

    LLWD is exactly like Kris, slow and steady moving on up until suddenly, boom!

  15. It’s the added audience on HAC that’s giving LLWD the extra boost. On Top 40 WWFM has a huge bullet and it’s iTunes rank should stabilize in the 40s and move up with continued audience increases. That’s how it usually works.

  16. WWFM deserves a few kudos too! Out 4 weeks and it’s #34 for the one-day update? I call that amazing.

    Shouldn’t we have the album sales today?

  17. Congratulations to Kris on another strong week for LLWD sales, and still selling at a very steady clip on iTunes this week.

  18. WWFM deserves a few kudos too! Out 4 weeks and it’s #34 for the one-day update? I call that amazing.

    JazzRocks, I think t he only reason we haven’t mentioned WWFM yet is we don’t have the # for it yet since it didn’t make Top 50. I am curious as to how it did and can’t wait to see Brian’s # for it.

  19. RE: MUSIC VIDEOS How do they count towards sales?
    They are kept track of separately. Sales are significantly lower than singles and albums. Therefore it just takes 25,000 music video downloads to earn gold. For further information click on my link:

    http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinum.php?content_selector=criteria

    ^^^ The above link covers just about everything you need to know regarding gold, platinum and diamond status in the recording industry including some of the history behind the awards.

  20. I think WWFM will come in at 20-24K. Lat’s see how close I get.

    I agree with you – I was thinking somewhere around 23K

  21. “half-penny not hey-penny” darn must be getting old or need more coffee hopefully the later :) Well “MErry X-mass to all and to all a goodnight..”

  22. JazzRocks, I think t he only reason we haven’t mentioned WWFM yet is we don’t have the # for it yet since it didn’t make Top 50. I am curious as to how it did and can’t wait to see Brian’s # for it.

    I think it is going to take another week until we see a big sales increase for WWFM…it had its huge 80 plus place jump on itunes last thursday, the day after SYTWCD….so it was really only a half week of solid sales…next weeks number (reflecting this week when WWFM has been much higher up on itunes) should be better

  23. Thanks for the info on the singles #’s. I’m wondering though about the album sales #’s. Don’t they come out (finalized) on Wed.? I don’t see that info here anywhere and IMO the cd sales are actually more important than singles DL’s.

  24. Does anyone know about billboard number??

    We won’t get a leak for these until later tonight, and billboard won’t change their charts until tomorrow. Actually they usually change the charts every Thursday, but I don’t know if they will do it this week, since it will be Christmas Eve.

  25. It makes me happy to see Kris’ numbers here. I really feel that if people had the chance to hear the rest of the songs in his album, it would really take off.

    Giavonna, I agree with all you said.

  26. Chillax peeps. Album sales numbers are almost always released later in the day than the initial singles sales leaks. Soundscan numbers for albums at the top of the BB200 (plus notable debuts or other titles of interest) are generally reported first in the press – from outlets like Billboard and MTV. These usually start popping-up mid-morning. Sometimes if there’s a huge sales story we’ll get an early press release or something from a label, but this is rare. Brian Mansfield then generally reports on-chart numbers for the Idols sometime in the afternoon. If he’s on vacation or otherwise engaged, we may not get them at all on Wednesday. Finally, we occasionally get blessed with a partial or full-chart Soundscan leak, but that’s often not until later in the week. These leaks, however, are becoming fewer and farther between, so you shouldn’t ever count on them.

    Basically, we take what we can get when we get it, and we’re thankful. Kirsten and others here will always post the numbers that we are able to find, as soon as someone finds them.

  27. It’s the added audience on HAC that’s giving LLWD the extra boost. On Top 40 WWFM has a huge bullet and it’s iTunes rank should stabilize in the 40s and move up with continued audience increases. That’s how it usually works.

    Actually, based on the numbers that girlygirl posted WWFM has a -14 bullet in comparison to Wednesday of last week, but that’s to be expected since it’s bullet was so high last week.

    JazzRocks, all sales are important. The point is to get the music out to people, and to connect with them. Nobody’s numbers need to be diminished or downplayed.

  28. I think WWFM will come in at 20-24K. Lat’s see how close I get.

    You’ve been a really good guestimator lately jpfan, so I’m not going to bet against you :).

    Wow, Kelly’s song really should be platinum any time now. That’s a strong single, and she sings the hell out of it.

    Kris is getting nice, steady numbers with his single too. I’m hoping that soon, the strength of the single will start to lift the CD sales.

  29. Actually, based on the numbers that girlygirl posted WWFM has a -14 bullet in comparison to Wednesday of last week, but that’s to be expected since it’s bullet was so high last week.

    Isn’t that number the “acceleration” of the bullet number not the spin increase itself? It seem that WWFM still has a bullet over 400? Admit this is new to me so might be wrong…

  30. Kris is getting nice, steady numbers with his single too. I’m hoping that soon, the strength of the single will start to lift the CD sales.

    My expectation is that we won’t see the album moving more quickly until a successful second single is out there on the airwaves. I’m glad he’s touring sooner (February) rather than later, but I think the album will need to slog along. I’m prepared to be patient on that side, but LLWD looks in good position to hit gold in January.

  31. My expectation is that we won’t see the album moving more quickly until a successful second single is out there on the airwaves.

    I agree with this. I think they should release BWCU as 2nd single. What others have been discussed? Can’t stay away from you?

  32. Saga, I don’t know about a second single – I’m too nervous to even think about anyone making that decision. I like AWM for a 3rd single in mid-2010 (hopefully he gets a 3rd single), but I don’t know. The songs people have seen showing up on Hit Predictor are BWCU, The Truth, WAOMF, and CSA, although Bring it Back has starting playing on AOL Radio. Basically, I have no idea. Just hope LLWD keeps moving up for as long as possible.

  33. I really love IIO and BIB but don’t know how good it well do on the radio. My favorite out of the 4 listed on Hit Predictor is either CSA or BWCU but I really love all 4. The only song I don’t really care for on Kris’s CD is Lifetime. Really love AWM but I think that would be a great spring or earlier summer song. It’s also my husbands favorite song, when ever AWM comes on there goes my husband moving his arms around then he gets up and starts making me dance with him. My husband also loves LLWD alot. He says it has such a great message to it. My husband doesn’t really care for Idol so he’ll go up stairs when it’s on. Right now I’M listening to INTK it’s so fantasic but sounds sad. Kris always seems like his going to cry in this song, it’s so heart breaking. Yeah also to the other Idols that are in the top 50. And Adam with WDYWWM.

  34. Well I think they need a 2nd single with a more emotional feeling. That’s why I think BWCU is better than CSA.

    I am not so worried for Kris or Adam. I don’t really think it matters that they haven’t followed a classical AI pattern in sales. Actually, I think it’s a good thing, given the history of many of these idols.

    What matters is to have single worthy material on their Albums. I know Adam has a whole bunch and from what I have heard of Kris album I think he has a few as well. I think Kris will get 3 singles, maybe even 4 (specially if his 2nd single work well too).

  35. I think LLWD is a solid hit, but I agree releasing a second single sooner than later would be better. People need more exposure to his album. I am sure there will also be an increase in Kris’s album sales but I do think a second single will help.

    I also suspect to see in an increase in the sales of WWFM as it seems to be making nice gains on the charts. Glad to see the album had a nice increase from last week.

    I think we have two more weeks of decent album sales and then 2010 will hit and folks will be done with their last minute xmas shopping or spending their chritmas gift money and gift cards.

  36. Album sales numbers are almost always released later in the day than the initial singles sales leaks. Soundscan numbers for albums at the top of the BB200 (plus notable debuts or other titles of interest) are generally reported first in the press ‘“ from outlets like Billboard and MTV. These usually start popping-up mid-morning. Sometimes if there’s a huge sales story we’ll get an early press release or something from a label, but this is rare. Brian Mansfield then generally reports on-chart numbers for the Idols sometime in the afternoon. If he’s on vacation or otherwise engaged, we may not get them at all on Wednesday. Finally, we occasionally get blessed with a partial or full-chart Soundscan leak, but that’s often not until later in the week. These leaks, however, are becoming fewer and farther between, so you shouldn’t ever count on them.

    Totally agree. That’s the timeline we should expect for numbers today. We were extremely fortunate to get the extra leak this morning.

  37. I’m so happy that LLWD is doing so well!!!!!! YAY Kris
    Agree with all you said Giovanna

  38. To sell over 60K in albums and about 20k plus in singles confirms to me Adam is an album seller.

    Great job to Kris for LLWD, it will be gold in no time if he continues on this path. And hopefully so will Adam’s album.

  39. To sell over 60K in albums and about 20k plus in singles confirms to me Adam is an album seller.

    ITA- I think it speaks for the strength of the album. There are several tracks I like on it, so I bought the album. I suspect that is the case with many buyers. This is where the extra publicity might play in. People are perhaps curiouos enough to take the time to listen to the snippets, etc., and then decide to purhcase the album.

    This is why I agree that Kris needs to release a second single to bring more exposure to his album.

  40. From what I’ve read about the next single for Kris, the general concensus is that it probably won’t be for a couple more months. The feeling is that while LLWD is still rising, it wouldn’t be good to release another one. That will probably happen when LLWD starts on the downswing. It makes sense to me. As LLWD starts going down the charts, then release another one to start making its way up.

  41. When does the freeze end? In 2 weeks?

    According to the Adam Official moderator (who some people think is a fraud, so grain of salt), it’s Jan 5th. That’s typically the number bandied around on Pulse too. It’s the first week of January.

    The AT40 will start up again on Jan 9/10

  42. According to the Adam Official moderator (who some people think is a fraud), it’s Jan 5th. That’s typically the number bandied around on Pulse too.

    Who is the moderator?

  43. Billboard album sales article

    while Carrie Underwood’s “Play On” (153,000; up 44%) and Lady Gaga’s “The Fame” (141,000; up 37%) both hold steady at Nos. 5 and 6, respectively.

    I think that means PO has sold 996-997k in total so it’ll cross the million mark next week!

    The second volume of the “Glee” TV soundtrack falls from No. 3 to No. 10 with 111,000 in its second week (down 36%). Meanwhile, the first “Glee” set — down from No. 11 to No. 14 — sells 95,000 this week (up 11%), pushing its total sales past the half-million mark, to 521,000.

    Great sales for Glee.

  44. The AO moderator predicted 450K album sales for Adam by the end of 2009 and I thought he was crazy. Seems that he will be right and maybe even a bit low. He also predicted the smaller drop in sales last week and the increase this week. No idea who he is.

  45. There is absolutely no reason to release a second single right now for Kris. LLWD has sold more this week then any previous week, and is showing no signs of declining on radio. Why ruin a good thing by pushing for another single? We wont see a second single for awhile, and that is a very good thing. LLWD has the potential to go platinum, and it should be given the time to do so.

  46. I think that means PO has sold 996-997k in total so it’ll cross the million mark next week!

    So close!

    Thanks for the numbers Windmill. I’ve added them to the post.

  47. I don’t think we were talking about a 2nd single now… just that a 2nd single will help showcase his album even more.

  48. SuBo’s numbers are insane. Another 661,000 copies (up 14%) Total : 2,465,000

    And she released Black Friday. There hasn’t been numbers like that in a very long time (if ever).

    Who is the moderator?

    rgmed. When we were discussing the AO moderator last week, some people thought that the account was made up (so I just wanted to be clear that there is some doubt to his identity in the Adam fan base who would be in the best position to know his status).

  49. Yeah I don’t want Kris Having a second single out yet. But it’s fun seeing what people think the next single should be. On another Kris board I go to were doing that right now. And BWCU is in the lead but CSA is next and then I think it’s AWM.

  50. ITA Kirsten SuBo’s numbers are insane. I agree with you and everybody else who thinks her numbers are going to fall off a cliff after this week though.

    I don’t mind how well she’s doing though. It’s entertaining to me. It’s just one of those stories where it’s such a mass phenomenon I can only stand by and gape. Good for her. She had 1 really powerful performance and it’s led to this.

  51. ITA- I think it speaks for the strength of the album. There are several tracks I like on it, so I bought the album. I suspect that is the case with many buyers. This is where the extra publicity might play in. People are perhaps curiouos enough to take the time to listen to the snippets, etc., and then decide to purhcase the album

    Yeah – I wonder how much of a part is also played by the fact that Adam technically has 2 songs that are out in the public, at least in one form or another – people know FYE from the MV, AMAs, and then WWFM from many of the more recent TV appearances plus radio. Hearing both may make people more interested in trying out the album rather than just buying one single or the other.

  52. Hey Kirsten much as I’d love for Play On to be #4 on this week’s album chart it’s actually at #5

    Oops. Fixed!

  53. ITA SuBo’s numbers are insane. I agree with you and everybody else who thinks her numbers are going to fall off a cliff after this week though.

    Question about returns (not that I’m suggesting this wrt SuBo ;-)) but how do returns factor into sales? As in, if a ton of people return a cd after Christmas (cough*just received 5 copies of the SuBo cd*cough), does that show up on any of the charts?

  54. I’ve wondered about returns, too, Mary102. Asked the question here before but didn’t get a response. Maybe someone will have an answer this time :)

  55. Question about returns (not that I’m suggesting this wrt SuBo ;-) ) but how do returns factor into sales? As in, if a ton of people return a cd after Christmas (cough*just received 5 copies of the SuBo cd*cough), does that show up on any of the charts?

    I don’t have a link but I’m pretty sure returns don’t get subtracted from Soundscan. If there are a lot of returns then I think the effect is on shipments where stores don’t order more copies of the album and they return copies to the label at the end of a certain period if they can’t sell them. That assumes the label’s shipment didn’t have a no return policy too.

  56. iTunes (overall chart)

    #46 WWFM

    So happy WWFM has moved up so high! :-)

    ETA: Windmills, thank you for the answer! I had a feeling it wouldn’t be subtracted out of any numbers on the charts, but it makes you wonder…her numbers are just insane. May not be completely out of the realm of possibility to see a lot of returns. (Especially if poor grandmas around the country get 5 copies each of the cd ;-))

  57. J9BT
    12/23/2009 at 9:14 am
    ‘Giavonna
    12/23/2009 at 8:49 am
    Great news for Kris! Love him and the CD. He does not get enough credit for how talented he is. I watched all the videos from the Jingle Balls and he just keeps getting better. Anyone who says he has no stage presence must need to get their eyes checked. He is sexy as hell just doing his thing. He doesn’t need props other than his voice, his guitar, and a tight shirt. (OK he does need the KA Band too ‘“ but they are also cool in an oh-so-dorky but hot way.) And it’s not just young girls who like Kris. He appeals to people of all ages / females and males. I am still working on my husband. Kris’s love of guitars is catching the hubby’s attention.

    The album should gain momentum over time, just like LLWD. He needs a STRONG second single once LLWD has had it’s time ‘“ somewhere down the road. (My local station just started playing LLWD a few weeks ago and they play it several times a day now! And even announce his name instead of shunning him ‘“ I think they finally got it that he ROCKS.)’ 

    ITA with this post. Love LLWD, love Kris, love his CD. I hope things continue in an upward direction for him because he is very talented. In my family, all love him from youngest to oldest!

    Thank you guys for making me happy by reading all that esp. since Kris has gotten the short end of the AI stick all this time. Hope he and Jive will pick the right 2nd single to help move the album sales more. My vote is The Truth, BIB, CSA or BWCU. AWM is a risky choice to me because so far it seems to be a “love it” or “hate it” song.

  58. I agree with Overboard that we won’t likely see a second single for a while yet. My original point was that I didn’t think a first single necessarily would move more album units beyond the holidays but that a second single would be more apt to do that when it hits radio. I’d be more than happy if LLWD keeps chugging along as it’s been doing.

  59. I don’t have a link but I’m pretty sure returns don’t get subtracted from Soundscan.

    Yes, they do. Scanned returns (meaning a customer purchase that is subsequently returned to the store) will be accounted for in the weekly totals reported by Soundscan. We just won’t have visibility into what that number is – we only ever see the total. So if SuBo sells 600,000 copies next week, but 500,000 copies of her album (regardless of what week they were purchased) are returned to the store, Soundscan will report a weekly total of 100,000.

    Soundscan doesn’t track shipments to retail locations – they only track individual POS transactions between retailer and consumer. Returns of unsold merchandise are handled between the retailer and the distributor, and many distribution contracts don’t allow for them (which is why you’ll often see huge lots of CDs in bargain bins). This type of distribution-level return is covered when the RIAA does certification audits to determine when/if an title can be certified Gold/Platinum/Diamond.

  60. Kris has gotten the short end of the AI stick all this time.

    I really disagree with this. If we’re talking about overall media attention, yes, Kris has gotten less. If we’re talking about Jive and the job it’s done with Kris, I think they’ve done awesome work getting radio play and appearances for Kris. I’ve been pretty happy with how they’ve handled him.

  61. Eileen99
    12/23/2009 at 12:01 pm

    Kris has gotten the short end of the AI stick all this time.

    I really disagree with this. If we’re talking about overall media attention, yes, Kris has gotten less. If we’re talking about Jive and the job it’s done with Kris, I think they’ve done awesome work getting radio play and appearances for Kris. I’ve been pretty happy with how they’ve handled him.

    Eileen, I think most of us who feel this way mean that he has been overshadowed in hte media from the beginning. Adam was getting attention even before the show ended. So was Danny, even if his attention was extremely negative. Kris has kind of just been there.

    Jive has done a fabulous job with Kris and his promotion, IMO. But that promotion kicked in much later, compared to how he was treated while on AI and in the immediate aftermath. When you have Simon and Randy going on public shows and saying Kris should finish third before the competition is over and then the day after the finale, Simon and Ryan put him as the #6 or #7 idol winner in terms of potential for success, it is a lot ot overcome. But again, this is old news and only relates to the AI machine itself. As a result of this, however, jive has ahd a lot of ground to make up.

  62. ladymadonna: Are you sure? I could’ve sworn I’d read that the RIAA is the only one that accounts for any kind of return (in this case like you said that’d mean retailer to label, not consumer to retail). I thought the argument against counting returns against each weekly sales number is that there’s a rule that once a particular barcode is scanned it’s voided, so a resale of the returned item couldn’t be counted by Soundscan. That’s why they don’t count the return or the new sale. If a new barcode were assigned, then the sale of 1 copy of an album could potentially inflate (and deflate) multiple weeks of sales for that particular act.

    I’ll see if I can find any links. Here’s 1 for Christian Soundscan that confirms that used music sales are not eligible sales:

    http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:-Ke4Rgy2BUoJ:www.cmta.com/SoundScanSummary.doc+%2Breturns+%2Bsoundscan&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

  63. Anovich, agreed on your points, and I would also add the fact that the judges panel basically delivered NoBo DOA to Kris, Adam, and America, proclaiming it sucked and mocking it right after both performances. All that, however is old news and nothing can be done about it. I do agree Kris had a few obstacles to overcome right off the bat.

    With regard to Jive, I’ve been extremely happy how they’ve handled Kris and expect that to continue.

  64. I read on twitter (now it’s twitter, so take this with a HUGE grain of salt) that Kris may have tipped his hand about what the 2nd single will be. Evidently at one of the last JingleBalls he did when he performed The Truth, he started to introduce it as his “next single” before stopping himself. Now whether this report is right, who knows?

    Personally I hope this is wrong, because he didn’t write that one, and I already want one of the songs he co-wrote to be the next single. But people seem to like The Truth — I think it has sold the most downloads on iTunes off all the songs off the album (aside from LLWD and the various versions of Heartless) — so we’ll see. I wouldn’t expect them to release a 2nd single until Feb. or March anyway, since LLWD is still gaining ground.

  65. Brian Mansfield then generally reports on-chart numbers for the Idols sometime in the afternoon. If he’s on vacation or otherwise engaged, we may not get them at all on Wednesday.

    Hey! Maybe we will get an updated article in the new year about how good Adam’s album sales have been! Also, he could write about how WWFM is doing great AFTER ONLY FOUR WEEKS! Has he written anything about Kris’s album sales yet? Should we be looking for an article on the idol’s numbers at the end of the year?
    Has he written anything about Kris’s album sales yet?

  66. Maybe we will get an updated article in the new year about how good Adam’s album sales have been! Also, he could write about how WWFM is doing great AFTER ONLY FOUR WEEKS!

    I won’t hold me breath for that coming from Brain.

  67. Here’s an example of how returns can impact Soundscan totals:

    3 125 SWIFT*TAYLOR YOU BELONG WITH ME 11076 -94 172268 183344

    This was the week Taylor Swift’s Fearless album was released. As you can see, the week prior she ranked #3 on the chart and sold 172,268 copies. The week that her album was released, she experienced a decline of 94% to sell 11,076 and dropped to #125 on the chart. This was due to Soundscan processing returns on a huge number of single purchases when people “completed their album”. The single purchased previously was scanned as a return, and an album purchase was credited.

    I used to work at a 3PL company that handled online sales and fulfillment of CDs and merch for about 200 artists (primarily indie but some major-label). We reported sales to Soundscan, and also reported returns. Basically everything in and out of our warehouse was scanned and reported to Soundscan. We also handled returns of unsold merchandise back to the distributor where applicable. These did not go through the Soundscan process.

    This was a couple of years ago so maybe things have changed, but I’ve never read anything on Pulse or elsewhere to suggest that Soundscan does not include album returns in their reporting the same way they factor single returns. If I’m wrong, sorry for the confusion.

    I thought the argument against counting returns against each weekly sales number is that there’s a rule that once a particular barcode is scanned it’s voided, so a resale of the returned item couldn’t be counted by Soundscan. That’s why they don’t count the return or the new sale. If a new barcode were assigned, then the sale of 1 copy of an album could potentially inflate (and deflate) multiple weeks of sales for that particular act.

    I’m not following this. Barcodes are not unique to each physical copy of a CD, they are unique to the title. The barcode is simply an inventory tracking mechanism, not a unique identifier for each and every copy of an item in distribution. It’s not voided after a purchase because the same UPC appears on every copy of that CD produced. Here’s info on UPC barcodes for musicians:

    http://www.cd-fulfillment.com/bar-code.asp

  68. Eileen, I think most of us who feel this way mean that he has been overshadowed in hte media from the beginning. Adam was getting attention even before the show ended. So was Danny, even if his attention was extremely negative. Kris has kind of just been there.

    Jive has done a fabulous job with Kris and his promotion, IMO. But that promotion kicked in much later, compared to how he was treated while on AI and in the immediate aftermath. When you have Simon and Randy going on public shows and saying Kris should finish third before the competition is over and then the day after the finale, Simon and Ryan put him as the #6 or #7 idol winner in terms of potential for success, it is a lot ot overcome. But again, this is old news and only relates to the AI machine itself. As a result of this, however, jive has ahd a lot of ground to make up.

    Thank you anovich for speaking my thoughts exactly! :)

  69. Yes, they do. Scanned returns (meaning a customer purchase that is subsequently returned to the store) will be accounted for in the weekly totals reported by Soundscan. We just won’t have visibility into what that number is ‘“ we only ever see the total. So if SuBo sells 600,000 copies next week, but 500,000 copies of her album (regardless of what week they were purchased) are returned to the store, Soundscan will report a weekly total of 100,000.

    Yep. ladymaddona is correct.

    We’ve actually seen singles go into the negative sales territory as they are returned as part of complete my album (of course, we typically don’t see that until the next week when they bounce up again and their previous week’s sales are listed as negative)

    Here is an example:

    — 143 SWIFT*TAYLOR FEARLESS 7761 -150 -15668 262376

    Notice that the last week number is negative (-15668) and it messed up the percent calculator (saying -150% because they divided by a negative number when it was actually a 150% increase)

  70. don’t be so sure of suebo’s eminent fall off a cliff saleswise… this has been the mantra for the last few weeks, and she is going into what – the 4th or 5th week of total dominance on the billboard sales charts, keeping alicia keyes out of the top spot this week, and projected to keep mary j. blige from the top spot next week, with an estimated 500k in sales… alicia and mary j. are no jokes – these women are heavy hitters, with wide, broad and deep appeal, so i’m marveling at her staying power throughout this period…

    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_d….46b1d0a2e2192eb

    Susan Boyle Blocks Alicia Keys From No. 1
    December 23, 2009

    Editor: Keith Caulfield; Contributors: Alex Vitoulis; Editorial Director: Silvio Pietroluongo

    Susan Boyle’s “I Dreamed a Dream” continues to rule the Billboard 200 chart for a fourth straight week as it sells another 661,000 copies. The “Britain’s Got Talent” contestant’s reign blocks Alicia Keys’ from gaining her fifth No. 1 album, as her “The Element of Freedom” starts at No. 2 with 417,000 …

    As for next week, industry prognosticators indicate Boyle will probably continue to sit pretty at No. 1 with possibly another 500,000 in sales.

    Meanwhile, Mary J. Blige’s “Stronger With Each Tear” will be the chart’s top arrival, perhaps starting with around 350,000 copies.

  71. ladymadonna and Kirsten as I understand it, there’s a special policy that Soundscan recently instituted to handle digital sales totals in the “complete my album” i-Tunes era. That new policy was identified and discussed by Billboard, I’ll go hunt for the link in a little bit. I don’t believe it applies to physical CDs sold and like I said I’m pretty sure the reported Soundscan totals for CDs bought in stores don’t reflect returns.

  72. Longer or shorter Ai stick doesn’t matter imo, they are in the music bizz now. Material and promotion matters. Since both Adam and Kris seem to work on radio I hope they’d be fine. More worried about Allison…

    Did anyone see any FOx ad with FYE btw? Haven’t heard anything.

  73. Did anyone see any FOx ad with FYE btw? Haven’t heard anything.

    I’ve been watching for it ;-) But I’ve only been able to catch tv during the day, when they don’t show as many of these kinds of ads. I’ve only caught ads for individual shows so far (24 and AI, predominantly).

  74. Kirsten, Brian has album numbers up now.

    Adam 59k +26%
    Kris 31k +34%
    Allison 12k -12%
    David A. 31k +2%

  75. Longer or shorter Ai stick doesn’t matter imo, they are in the music bizz now. Material and promotion matters. Since both Adam and Kris seem to work on radio I hope they’d be fine.

    ITA. I’ve moved on to the here & now.

  76. So that’s great for Kris but poor Allison. And her album is so awesome.

  77. Adam 59k +26%
    Kris 31k +34%
    Allison 12k -12%
    David A. 31k +2%

    These #s for Kris and Adam are fabulous – and I called it yesterday that Kris would see an increase but still be outside the Top 50 – +34% – I feel like jumping up and down. And Archie’s # – with no promotion aside from his Christmas tour is fabulous.

    I am extremely worried about Allison now though. Jive needs to find some way of getting the public to connect with her.

  78. Yikes at Allison. Having a decline this week is not good. A shame because I finally got around to listening to the CD the other day and I really liked it, maybe even more than Kris’. Lots of potential hits. I hope Jive has a plan for the new year.

  79. @Wazzzuup Allsion’s single isn’t stuck at radio. Stations freeze there playlists around Dec 15. All good for January

    Gina Orr (Kris & Allison’s publicist – is she Adam’s, too? IDK) – posted this on Twitter last night about Allison.

  80. When it comes to album sales, things have kind of panned out exactly like I thought they would. Adam is the “star”, Kris is flying under the radar (quite literally as he keeps placing in the low 50s), and Allison is inexplicably not connecting. So yeah… exact same as it was on Idol.

    Single sales are following a completely different pattern though. Im still shocked LLWD became the only successful single out of the first round (LLWD, FYE, FIBOU, and I guess you could also place Its Only on there as well).

  81. yesssssssssssss! david has remained consistent and steady as heck week to week in sales for the christmas cd – at 185k in cumulative totals, he is going to go well over 200k in sales with next weeks numbers – ”throws confetti”… wowow, this is more than many had hoped for, and this cd is deserving of all the praise it’s received… david, job well done buddy :)

    David Archuleta, Christmas From the Heart (31,000, +2 percent, 185,000)

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2009/12/carrie-underwood-most-others-idols-see-album-sales-gains/1?loc=interstitialskip

    :)

  82. I don’t believe it applies to physical CDs sold and like I said I’m pretty sure the reported Soundscan totals for CDs bought in stores don’t reflect returns.

    I just think that would be so strange. What would Soundscan do if somebody returned an album and the store resold it again? Somebody could goose the numbers by buying and returning the same album 100s of times (don’t try it street teams!).

    Soundscan does some strange things, but if they count returns for digital copies, why wouldn’t they for physical copies?

  83. girlygirly,
    I hope so too, infact if they are thinking of releasing THE TRUTH which he didn’t have a hand in writting, I’ll prefer WAOMF.
    I don’t care about any Script saga. Because for me, among all those four songs, WAOMF is the hit, no doubt. It’s just that Kris didn’t write it and if the want to release something the didn’t write, it should be WAOMF.

  84. Happy to see such a big increase for Kris in album sales! I had my fingers crossed for 28 K, so this is better than I was expecting! And good to see confirmation of the big jump for Adam’s sales. But Allison? That’s discouraging.

  85. Gina Orr (Kris & Allison’s publicist ‘“ is she Adam’s, too? IDK) ‘“ posted this on Twitter last night about Allison.

    I thought Allison was with Teresa LeBarbara White?

  86. I have a hard time believing CD returns aren’t netted out of reported sales figures. That just doesn’t make sense from an accounting standpoint.

  87. Maybe we will get an updated article in the new year about how good Adam’s album sales have been! Also, he could write about how WWFM is doing great AFTER ONLY FOUR WEEKS!

    I won’t hold me breath for that coming from Brain.

    Totally agree with this and you won’t see an article about Kris’s Album sales from Brian unless they start selling more or have a big jump. He would never do a negative article on Kris that indicated bad media pickups.

  88. Re: Gina Orr – I have no clue if she is or isn’t Allison’s official publicist. I follow her on Twitter because she sometimes tweets about Kris’ appearances, and sometimes Allison. Maybe she’s just passing things along about Allison that she knows? Don’t know – I think she was the one who tweeted about Allison on Kimmel.

  89. David Archuleta, Christmas From the Heart (31,000, +2 percent, 185,000)

    These are EXCELLENT numbers for David as it looks like CFTH will do well over the 200K his fans were hoping for.

  90. I believe Gina Orr works for Jive. Not positive about that though.

  91. I don’t believe it applies to physical CDs sold and like I said I’m pretty sure the reported Soundscan totals for CDs bought in stores don’t reflect returns.

    I’ve never read anything to this effect and have a hard time imagining it to be true. If so, theoretically I could go out and buy 1000 copies of my favorite album, return them the next day and get my money back, but my fav still gets credit for those 1000 units? Then I could do it the next day and the next, and pretty soon my dude’s platinum? Yay!!

    Honestly if you can find a citation on this policy by all means bring it over. I’ve seen Geoff Mayfield’s response (he’s the former Director of Charts for Billboard) about how they are now handling ‘complete my album’ purchases on the digital side. He says those units are “processed as returns”. And we’ve seen in the examples Kirsten and I posted that those debits are reflected immediately on the following week’s Soundscan report. So I’m not sure why Soundscan would be unable to “process returns” for albums, nor why they wouldn’t. Seems like a recipe for industry-wide fraud otherwise, and I’m pretty sure we would have read about it by now at Pulse or elsewhere if there was this kind of gaping loophole in the sales reporting process.

  92. Brian Mansfield has already written a negative article about Kris’ album sales. If Brian has a “favorite” Idol from this season, it isn’t Kris. I think it might be Danny, actually.

    But as long as he reports the facts, why does any of this matter, exactly?

  93. Brian Mansfield has already written a negative article about Kris’ album sales. If Brian has a ‘favorite’  Idol from this season, it isn’t Kris. I think it might be Danny, actually.

    Exactly. Brian has written negatively about both Adam and Kris so I don’t think we could accuse him of favoritism between them. There’s no reason he would need to write ANOTHER article about Kris’s poor album sales when he already has done it before.

  94. OMG! I cannot believe 7,000 people bought the bastard child album. The total is to 30,000. WHO is buying that?

  95. Brian Mansfield has already written a negative article about Kris’ album sales.

    guess i missed that. I don’t go out looking for negative or positive articles on Kris but my overall impression is that Brian pumps Kris up.

  96. I don’t believe it applies to physical CDs sold and like I said I’m pretty sure the reported Soundscan totals for CDs bought in stores don’t reflect returns.

    Well, when Jan. comes and album sales take a cliff dive, I think fans of any favorites will start saying that it must be the returns that cause it.

  97. Has anyone posted Adam’s sales for WWFM and FYE (the single) anywhere yet?

  98. Eileen99
    12/23/2009 at 12:35 pm
    Kirsten, Brian has album numbers up now.

    Adam 59k +26%
    Kris 31k +34%
    Allison 12k -12%
    David A. 31k +2%

    Glad for Kris, Adam and David but poor Allison… Jive needs to do something quick and very quick!

  99. OMG! I cannot believe 7,000 people bought the bastard child album. The total is to 30,000. WHO is buying that?

    People who can’t find FYE, maybe …. My local Best Buy is out (but had a couple of copies of TO). Target is out too but had 17 copies of Kris’s album. Weird.

  100. I don’t believe it applies to physical CDs sold and like I said I’m pretty sure the reported Soundscan totals for CDs bought in stores don’t reflect returns.

    SoundScan includes returns of both CDs and digital files.

    The return is counted by Billboard in the week it occurred as a negative number.

    And if returns are greater than sales, it is possible to have a negative SoundScan number.

    FYE had a great week, but sales are almost entirely coming from retail stores and there are some stock issues at both Walmart and Best Buy — and no I am not making excuses for poor sales — because IMO sales are really impressive. Online reports indicate that the issue is particularly notable in the South, Florida and Southwest. It seems that at least these two retail chains did not have good distribution models for this album.

    For the past 4 weeks, FYE sold more like an Idol alum album that I would have thought — strong in the South, even in Texas. I think that that is a good sign for future sales as the album get more exposure, because the album’s genres should do well in the West and major northern cities. And the retailers/RCA will get the stock issues fixed.

    Note: on 12/21/09 the 6 Walmarts near me in North Mississippi were jammed with SuBo and Carrie but sold out of Adam, Kris, and Allison. My Best Buy was sold out of Adam’s album. I am now is the Boca Raton-Fort Lauderdale area and the reports that FYE was sold out here are true. Looked for one in several stores for a gift and gave up. But there are literally thousands of SuBo CDs and a lot of Carrie CDs in Boca?!?!? Makes me really wonder how much SuBo they produced?

    OMG! I cannot believe 7,000 people bought the bastard child album. The total is to 30,000. WHO is buying that?

    Maybe people who can’t find FYE?

  101. poor Allison’ ¦ Jive needs to do something quick and very quick!

    I think Jive has no idea how to market her and it shows on the album too. Some people have said that they didn’t want to sell her as “Allison from AI” but Allison as a completely new artist. If that’s really the case, they should have taken a lot longer to produce the album and figure out who they were going to push her too, and how to do it properly.

    Given that they recorded it in such a push, it seems that they WERE trying to appeal to AI viewers, but this album doesn’t sound anything like Allison-on-Idol, so many people are not connecting to it at all.

    And then by choosing FIBOU as the single, they stripped most of her appeal. It’s a Miley-clone song, and one Miley is enough for most. And the reason the tweens love Miley so much isn’t her singing, it’s because of WHO she is.

  102. alaadam
    12/23/2009 at 1:20 pm

    Brian Mansfield has already written a negative article about Kris’ album sales.

    guess i missed that. I don’t go out looking for negative or positive articles on Kris but my overall impression is that Brian pumps Kris up.

    I think that Brian is more of a big Idol fan but IMO this week’s Idol sales story headline should have been about Carrie — because if SoundScan [90% of sales] has her at 997K — “Play On” is certainly gold now. And in today’s album world that is a big deal — even for a Country artist.

  103. YAY!! For Kris & Adam, their numbers keep climbing!!!

    Regarding Kris’ next single (which will probably be out by end of feb or march) TPTB plz let it be “Can’t Stay Away” or “Before We Come Undone” or “Alright With Me” .
    DNW ” The Truth”! PLz Let the single be a Kris Allen Collaboration!!!!

  104. girlygirl
    12/23/2009 at 1:11 pm
    Brian Mansfield has already written a negative article about Kris’ album sales. If Brian has a ‘favorite’  Idol from this season, it isn’t Kris. I think it might be Danny, actually.

    But as long as he reports the facts, why does any of this matter, exactly?

    Girlygirl, I think you’re right. Danny must be his favorite since he is playing Danny’s O Holy Night on the idolchatter site automatically. I wanted to stop the song from playing but can’t even do it without closing the site lol. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/index

  105. Danny must be his favorite since he is playing Danny’s O Holy Night on the idolchatter site automatically.

    Thanks for the warning. I’ll avoid that site for the next few days :).

  106. guess i missed that. I don’t go out looking for negative or positive articles on Kris but my overall impression is that Brian pumps Kris up.

    ITA- that is my general impression as well. I am thinking of that last negative piece he wrote about Adam which had a pretty pissy tone. I don’t think he uses that tone when he writes about Kris and Allison even if the numbers are negative, but that is only my perception.

    By the way, Kris’s album is on it’s way up, so good for him. I suspect it will continue to go up with more radio play for LLWD. Is this the second week Allison’s album is out? Wouldn’t there be a normal drop for the second week? Or is it the third week out?

  107. Yeah, the distribution problem is too bad. I live in Michigan and several of our local stores ran out last week. Sam’s Club, Target and Meijer for sure because I checked. I haven’t been to Wal-Mart yet so I don’t know about their stock level. The Susan Boyle CD’s were stocked to the brim. I can’t even imagine how many of those were ordered to support all of her sales, plus the inventory still on shelves.

    On a happy note though, Allison was also sold out at Target. :)

  108. tls62
    12/23/2009 at 2:03 pm
    Yeah, the distribution problem is too bad. I live in Michigan and several of our local stores ran out last week. Sam’s Club, Target and Meijer for sure because I checked. I haven’t been to Wal-Mart yet so I don’t know about their stock level. The Susan Boyle CD’s were stocked to the brim. I can’t even imagine how many of those were ordered to support all of her sales, plus the inventory still on shelves.

    On a happy note though, Allison was also sold out at Target.

    Just saw a post on another site the Chicago area has lots of stores with no FYE or Allison CDs.

    Maybe part of Alli’s sales issues is a supply issue? But they certainly must have put out a few hundred thousand Alli CD’s. But I think it is more a matter of Allison is not being put with the New Releases in some stores — just in the alpha Pop/Rock area. Too many other bigger releases out this November.

  109. SpenserJ
    12/23/2009 at 1:58 pm
    Danny must be his favorite since he is playing Danny’s O Holy Night on the idolchatter site automatically.

    Thanks for the warning. I’ll avoid that site for the next few days .

    You’re welcome and I don’t blame you for avoiding that site as I’m avoiding it too now. After reading all the positive comments in Danny’s thread last nite, I thought I would give danny one more try since he was singing O Holy Night but then I just couldn’t wait for the song to finish and have to stop it half way. So I’m not gonna hear it again by force. lol

  110. undercooked

    Allison’s album dropped on December 1, so this is the 3rd week of sales for her — went from 31,000 debut week to 17,000 last week to 12,000 this week

  111. From http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2009/12/carrie-underwood-most-others-idols-see-album-sales-gains/1

    Carrie Underwood, Play On (153,000, +44 percent, 997,000 total/3,000 digital, -31 percent, 104,000 digital total)
    Glee Cast, Glee: The Music Vol. 2 (111,000, -36 percent, 283,000/13,000 digital, -70 percent, 58,000 digital total)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 32 (97,000, +25 percent, 547,000/7,000 digital total)
    Glee Cast, Glee: The Music Vol. 1 (95,000, +11 percent, 521,000/7,000 digital, -27 percent, 103,000 digital total)
    Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (59,000, +26 percent, 355,000/3,000 digital, -1 percent, 48,000 digital total)
    Various, WOW Hits 2010 (37,000, +44 percent, 201,000/2,000 digital)
    Rod Stewart, Soulbook (36,000, +29 percent, 288,000)
    David Archuleta, Christmas From the Heart (31,000, +2 percent, 185,000/2,000 digital, -52 percent, 23,000 digital total)
    Kris Allen, Kris Allen (31,000, +34 percent, 190,000/1,000, -32 percent, 32,000 digital total)
    Daughtry, Leave This Town (30,000, +37 percent, 836,000/1,000 digital, +6 percent, 141,000 digital total)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call a Country Christmas (24,000, -3 percent, 119,000/1,000 digital, -17 percent, 7,000 digital total)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Music! 31 (18,000, +48 percent, 822,000)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Country Vol. 2 (15,000, +43, 198,000)
    Elvis Presley, Elvis Presley Christmas Duets (15,000, +19 percent, 404,000)
    Soundtrack, Hannah Montana 3 (15,000, +30, 539,000)
    Kelly Clarkson, All I Ever Wanted (13,000, +39 percent, 797,000/167,000 digital total)
    Allison Iraheta, Just Like You (12,000, -12 percent, 58,000)
    Various, A Very Special Christmas 7 (12,000, +13 percent, 40,000/2,000 digital, -20 percent, 10,000 digital total)
    Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts (11,000, +42 percent, 6.901 million)
    Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride (11,000, +38 percent, 3.028 million)
    Daughtry, Daughtry (10,000, +48 percent, 4.597 million)
    Kellie Pickler, Kellie Pickler (7,000, +16 percent, 360,000)
    Adam Lambert, Take One (7,000, +77 percent, 31,000)
    Various, Now That’s What I Call Country (4,140, +58 percent, 400,000)
    Mandisa, Freedom (3,000, +69 percent, 83,000

  112. Something about Danny singing O Holy Night is not appealing, at all.

    Nice sales for Archie! selling about the same a kris with far less promo. not too shabby.

  113. I hate to be a grinch but when Idol albums aren’t selling somehow there are always distribution problems. If folks wanted Allison’s CD there’s always iTunes or Amazon. I just think the failure of her single to gain traction on the radio is hurting her album sales. Hopefully that Jive rep know something and the song will move in January. I’m a big Archie fan but he has been getting some good TV promo over the past week at least.

  114. Allison’s album dropped on December 1, so this is the 3rd week of sales for her ‘” went from 31,000 debut week to 17,000 last week to 12,000 this week

    :( Thanks girlygirl. She just needs more exposure. I hope she gets to perform on AI in February.

  115. Q3……I suspect you’re right in Alli’s situation. Since I’ve been out more than normal due to Christmas, I try to look and see how everybody is doing. I noticed that a couple stores at the mall had her in the alpa bin…which is bad enough, but really bad when they don’t even have a labeled spot for her and they stick her with somebody else. I will admit at FYE last week I grabbed her 8 CD’s and took them up front to the new releases and put her in front of one of Susan Boyle’s stacks. Come on…..did Susan really need 4 stacks on display right inside the door? I think Alli needed the space worse than Susan. As busy as they are right now, I knew their teenage help wouldn’t bother putting her back in the alpa bin. It was only 8 CD’s, but I felt Alli needed somebody to stick up for her. :)

    Other than the mall though, I did see Alli front and center at Best Buy, Target (until they sold out) and Meijer. Sam’s Club chose not to carry her for some reason. :(

  116. Re: Allison, I don’t think the issue is lack of exposure (she has been on major TV shows, has ads all over the net, articles written about her, has been making the radio station rounds etc. etc.) and it certainly isn’t lack of a good product (and of course i have gone on record with my love of FIBOU)…I think that part of the problem is that it is just too much to have 3 recent idol contestants albums, in similar genres and all marketed to Top 40 and Hot AC radio drop albums at the exact same time. While there is room in the industry for each to have success at some point, i just think that it is too much to have them all drop together — someone is gonna get ignored by the market/overshadowed/ignored by radio. And there are all the other issues that have been repeatedly discussed (who is her market etc.)

  117. After reading all the positive comments in Danny’s thread last nite, I thought I would give danny one more try since he was singing O Holy Night but then I just couldn’t wait for the song to finish and have to stop it half way. So I’m not gonna hear it again by force. lol

    I’m so with you. I didn’t even bother to try and listen to O Holy Night. After listening to the two other songs off his album, I’d had enough of trying to be impartial in my opinions of his music and just be grateful I’m not in one of my country phases at the moment and therefore not at risk of hearing him on the radio. Something about Danny’s singing is like finger nails on a chalk board to me. Can’t stand the guy’s voice and don’t like him much either. It’s weird, because I feel like he’s a decent guy and I still like the way he sounded in auditions when he sang Heard It Through The Grapevine. I just haven’t liked the way his voice works on the other songs he’s sung.

    I’m really sad about Allison’s sales. But not surprised. While Jive has done a really nice job with Kris. I think they completely missed the mark with Allison. They’re trying to market her to the teen crowd when they’d have been better off going at least to the twenty something market. Granted, they had the challenge of her voice being older than her actual age. But her voice is what we loved on idol. Her radio acoustic sessions are amazing but they don’t make me want to own the production versions of the songs. By going with such high production, they lost much of the Idol audience and they haven’t done anything to market her personality to the tween/teen crowd to make them want to jump on board. On the whole, the album tries to straddle the line and keep one foot in both worlds but never manages to succeed in either and loses both audiences. IMO the best thing that could happen to Allison at this point is for Jive to drop her and for her to take a few years and work on finding her own sound as an artist. At 17 she’s got time on her side.

  118. So glad to see the 34% sales increase for Kris. It’s so great that he’s getting so much new fans.
    Jives got to do more promotion for Allison. I hope she starts touring early in 2010

  119. At my Wal-Mart in Ohio, Allie’s cd is in the alpha bin too. Or I should say was. Twice now, I’ve moved it to the new release section. I’m making a trip there today, and will move it again, if someone’s put it back in the alpha section. My store was a couple days late in getting it in to start with.
    There’s always lots of Kris cd’s but not so many of Adam’s. But of those are in the endcap as new releases, and also in the middle aisle.They sold out of Adam’s Take One cd’s a few weeks ago, but got a new shipment in. It’s all I can do not to buy one. I know the songs aren’t very good, but it’s Adam, ya know?

  120. Regarding Allison, I really never expected her to do too well sales-wise. I mean, season 8 was on the lower end of Idol ratings-wise and Allison was never touted by anyone as the “best” anything; she was just a good singer that got to 4th place. She was more like an underdog that had a really, really small core fanbase.

    To be honest, I was surprised that she was signed so quickly. Not because she isn’t talented, but because it suggested that she would quickly fulfill some major expectations by a label or something.

    Maybe she just seemed like too good of a thing to pass up at the time.

  121. I really didn’t think Allison would do well sales wise either. She was in the bottom three several times, I don’t think she has a real strong fan base even within Idol.

  122. Well, when Jan. comes and album sales take a cliff dive, I think fans of any favorites will start saying that it must be the returns that cause it.

    I’ve actually been wondering about this. Given how many albums Susan Boyle has sold, I do wonder if a small percentage weren’t purchased as gag gifts, and if another small percentage wouldn’t be returned because the recipient, while having “appreciated the thought,” might prefer to exchange her CD for something else. People are really pinching pennies right now, and I think a lot of folks who couldn’t have been bothered in the past will now exchange unwanted gifts for necessities.

    O ye numbers goddesses, are there statistics available for what percentage of end-of-year CD sales are traditionally returned in January?

  123. I just think that would be so strange. What would Soundscan do if somebody returned an album and the store resold it again? Somebody could goose the numbers by buying and returning the same album 100s of times (don’t try it street teams!).

    Like I said my understanding is it’s just the original transaction that counts because the barcode goes dead after the original sale. That prevents any goosing of numbers but also explains why the returns aren’t counted against either. Think about it: if they counted returns and re-sales, a label could conceivably goose an act’s weekly chart placement simply by returning and rebuying a certain number of albums.

    I think the belief that Soundscan doesn’t count returns against an act’s sales may have come from this RIAA paragraph, because I can’t find anything definitive on this topic other than people posting on message boards (where most people seem to think Soundscan doesn’t count returns but these are people on message boards like you and me, and probably not more reliable):

    http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinum.php?content_selector=certification

    We are often asked why we don’t just use sales figures from SoundScan. SoundScan measures over-the-counter sales at music retail locations, while the RIAA ®’s certification levels are based on unit shipments (minus returns) from manufacturers to a wide range of accounts, including non-retail record clubs, mail order houses, specialty stores, units shipped for Internet fulfillment or direct marketing sales, such as TV-advertised albums. The other difference is that SoundScan’s archive is only a few years old, while the RIAA ® has tracked artists’ sales levels for more than 40 years.

    The “(minus returns)” comment is obviously a reference to returns from retailers and not individual consumers but I think some may have inferred from the comment that Soundscan doesn’t account for any kind of return. Even if that is what the RIAA tried to imply it’s obviously in the RIAA’s interest to make it sound like its certifications are a better representation of sales than Soundscan’s. I guess that doesn’t settle the debate on the subject. I’d welcome any good link anybody else could find!

  124. Here are some predictions for this week’s sales (more albums of SUBo to return ;)) from Billboard

    “Industry sources suggest that Boyle’s “I Dreamed a Dream” could sell another 500,000 by week’s end on Sunday (Dec. 27) night. That will be enough to fend off queen of hip-hop/soul Mary J. Blige’s just-released “Stronger With Each Tear.” It’s on course to sell perhaps around 300,000 to 350,000 –”

    That will put SoBo at or near 3 million albums sold in five weeks. WOW

  125. OMG! I cannot believe 7,000 people bought the bastard child album. The total is to 30,000. WHO is buying that?

    I almost bought it. I love Adam’s voice. But, when there were snippets posted on the internet, I listened, and decided against it. If I hadn’t heard the snippets, though, I’d be among those who bought it, as something to listen to in between obsessive playing of FYE. Sometimes I have to force myself to listen to something else. LOL

    If folks wanted Allison’s CD there’s always iTunes or Amazon.

    Some of us really, really want a physical CD rather than an ITunes download. I’ve bought very little from ITunes, and plan on keeping up that trend as much as possible. The physical CD is in stock on Amazon, but I tend to wait on an order with Amazon until I can get free shipping. So, while that’s still an option for those of us who want the physical CD, there still might be a reason that someone is waiting.

    That said, I’m not making excuses for Allison’s poor sales. I have bought the album, and love it, and think it’s too bad that it’s not doing better. Hopefully, she’ll get a 2nd chance, and get better promotion the next time around. And, hopefully, the album will suddenly come to life and start selling well now. Not likely, but I can always dream….

  126. Like I said my understanding is it’s just the original transaction that counts because the barcode goes dead after the original sale. That prevents any goosing of numbers but also explains why the returns aren’t counted against either.

    I don’t know if music products are coded differently, but for other consumer package goods, one unique code is assigned to one product. If the same applies to CD’s, then each and every copy of an album shares the same barcode. So there is no way to tell if a sale is from a new CD or from a return by looking at the barcode.

  127. Wow, good for SuBo! It’s such a feel-good story, I love it. I am out of the loop regarding critical and fan reviews of her album – what’s the consensus (if there is one)?

  128. Wow, good for SuBo! It’s such a feel-good story, I love it. I am out of the loop regarding critical and fan reviews of her album ‘“ what’s the consensus (if there is one)?

    That she should never sing a Bond theme.

  129. im disturbed that that Take One cd has sold as much as it has. Those are sales that could’ve gone toward For Your Entertainment.

  130. The sales totals for the idols:

    Kris 190,000 for 5 weeks=38,000 avg/wk
    Adam 355,000 for 4 weeks=88,750 avg/wk
    Allison 58,000 for 3 weeks=19,333 avg/wk

    Is the number of weeks correct? I know they are frontloaded with pre-sales but I still work in averages.

  131. Why would a return count as a purchase? One is rang up as a sale the other is a refund. It would not count as a sale with a negative entry in the system?

  132. Are we waiting on Brian for the WWFM and FYE single sales? Does he usually post singles and CD sales in different articles?

  133. im disturbed that that Take One cd has sold as much as it has. Those are sales that could’ve gone toward For Your Entertainment.

    I cannot imagine that the people who bought take one did not also buy FYE….unless they were confused

  134. 2 of my cousins wanted SuBo cd for Christmas, and they’ll get her cds for Christmas. and also Lady Gagas.

    Congrats to SuBo and Simon.

    Carrie’s numbers are impressive. the best return of investment of all AI alums.

  135. Carrie’s numbers are impressive. the best return of investment of all AI alums.

    I think Kelly’s might be better because she’s been out there longer.

  136. anovich – i wouldnt bet against Kelly, but if i have extra money, and i only have to pick one, im buying Carrie stocks.

  137. It’s a pity Allison’s album is not marketed as well as Kris’ and Adam’s. It is a solid album, the songs are catchy. If Miley or even Demi released this album, it would be gold by now. People needs to hear these songs. Anyway, I am still hopeful.

  138. CONGRATS TO ALL THE IDOL SALES –
    SORRY THAT ALLISON’S IS NOT AS GOOD

    YAY FOR ARCHIE ALSO.

  139. I would hope no one would mistake Take One for FYE. It is completely different and nothing like what you would expect Adam to sing. Want IMO was actually the best song on it and a couple other songs are OK. One song is an instrumental it would probably be the only song non fans of Adam’s voice would enjoy.

  140. Why would a return count as a purchase? One is rang up as a sale the other is a refund. It would not count as a sale with a negative entry in the system?

    ^^^
    Good question! I am sure the scanning procedure is sophisticated enough to account for returns as a negative, otherwise over invested fans could buy up CDs in massive amounts and return them and the charting system would become a joke! (Not that I think anyone actually would do that, but then again….)

  141. Great Krismas news!!! Album sales up. Singles sales up. All I need now is to see Kris’ AOL Session.

  142. alaadam
    12/23/2009 at 3:50 pm

    The sales totals for the idols:

    Kris 190,000 for 5 weeks=38,000 avg/wk
    Adam 355,000 for 4 weeks=88,750 avg/wk
    Allison 58,000 for 3 weeks=19,333 avg/wk

    Is the number of weeks correct? I know they are frontloaded with pre-sales but I still work in averages.

    I wonder why digital sales aren’t included in totals. Not talking about you alaadam but the original figures. It’s still albums sold. Adam’s total for 4 weeks would then be 403K & Kris’ 222K. Not sure about Allison’s. Is there some reason digital sales aren’t calculated as part of total sales?

  143. Kris Allen ‘Kris Allen’  31K (34%)

    Yay, I’m soooo happy this went up. Not sure why I was so worried. Keep going Kris!!

    Jive please, please hang in there with Allison. Perhaps promo will start more strongly at the beginning of the yr. It’s almost as if a lot of her promo has been experimental…

  144. I wonder why digital sales aren’t included in totals. Not talking about you alaadam but the original figures. It’s still albums sold. Adam’s total for 4 weeks would then be 403K & Kris’ 222K. Not sure about Allison’s. Is there some reason digital sales aren’t calculated as part of total sales?

    I always thought digital sales were a part of the total. For example, Kris sold (rounded) 31K this week. 1K was digital, so 30K was hard copy CDs. Someone correct me if I’m wrong…

  145. While there is room in the industry for each to have success at some point, i just think that it is too much to have them all drop together ‘” someone is gonna get ignored by the market/overshadowed/ignored by radio. And there are all the other issues that have been repeatedly discussed (who is her market etc.)
    ^^^
    Yes, she’s a little too *old soul* for the Hannah Montana audience that grew up with Miley and a little *too young* to be a Pink type “bad” girl. I don’t know the solution, but maybe they should have developed the album for debut about the time she turns 18. I just hope she doesn’t have to go back to singing for shoppers in Southern California retail establishments. That was okay for then, but not now.

    Too bad she can’t do something on TV in the meantime such as Glee! For some reason I keep picturing her on Ugly Betty, don’t ask me why :)

  146. I wonder why digital sales aren’t included in totals. Not talking about you alaadam but the original figures. It’s still albums sold. Adam’s total for 4 weeks would then be 403K & Kris’ 222K. Not sure about Allison’s. Is there some reason digital sales aren’t calculated as part of total sales?

    This is not correct. Digital album sales are absolutely included in totals reported by Soundscan. Brian simply breaks them out in his post so you can see what fraction of the total was sold digitally. So of Adam’s 355,000, 48,000 were sold digitally. It does not indicate 48,000 additional albums sold. Current units sold (including physical and digital copies) through the sales week ending 12/20/09 are as listed above:

    Adam Lambert – 355K
    Kris Allen – 190K
    Allison Iraheta – 58K

  147. Digital album sales are absolutely included in totals reported by Soundscan. Brian simply breaks them out in his post so you can see what fraction of the total was sold digitally. So of Adam’s 355,000, 48,000 were sold digitally. It does not indicate 48,000 additional albums sold. Current units sold through the sales week ending 12/20/09 are as listed above:

    Adam Lambert ‘“ 355K
    Kris Allen ‘“ 190K
    Allison Iraheta ‘“ 58K

    Thank you ladymadonna for confirming what I thought all along.

  148. I am worried about Allison. Kris & Adam are fine..different labels and different expections. What can Jive do to help her though.. I like her album. I actually bought all 3 of theirs.

  149. Ok – thanks for clearing that up about digital sales. Obviously I’m just learning about this stuff.

  150. Has this been posted yet from Idol Chatter?

    Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (40,000, +14 percent, 290,000 total)
    Kelly Clarkson, Already Gone (39,000, +18 percent, 918,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Cowboy Casanova (33,000, +3 percent, 709,000)
    Daughtry, Life After You (24,000, +19 percent, 105,000)
    Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me (20,000, +99 percent, 52,000)
    Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (15,000, +12 percent, 146,000)
    Glee Cast, My Life Would Suck Without You (11,000, -74 percent, 56,000)
    Kelly Clarkson, My Life Would Suck Without You (8,000, -8 percent, 2.166 million)

  151. mmb
    12/23/2009 at 2:49 pm

    Re: Allison, I don’t think the issue is lack of exposure (she has been on major TV shows, has ads all over the net, articles written about her, has been making the radio station rounds etc. etc.) and it certainly isn’t lack of a good product (and of course i have gone on record with my love of FIBOU)’ ¦I think that part of the problem is that it is just too much to have 3 recent idol contestants albums, in similar genres and all marketed to Top 40 and Hot AC radio drop albums at the exact same time. While there is room in the industry for each to have success at some point, i just think that it is too much to have them all drop together ‘” someone is gonna get ignored by the market/overshadowed/ignored by radio. And there are all the other issues that have been repeatedly discussed (who is her market etc.)

    I think the problem with Allison and the low sales is that she sounds like P!nk2 and Kelly2 and since they both are all over the radio there is not room for a “2” of the original.

  152. Has this been posted yet from Idol Chatter?

    Thanks happygolucky. I’ve updated the main post.

  153. im disturbed that that Take One cd has sold as much as it has. Those are sales that could’ve gone toward For Your Entertainment.

    As someone who almost bought Take One, I can say that it would have been in addition to, not instead of, FYE. While that won’t necessarily be true for everyone, I think that’s probably going to account for many of the sales of Take One.

  154. FYE sold almost as much as WWFM. Wonder if the vid had something to do with that.

  155. Carrie’s numbers are impressive. the best return of investment of all AI alums.

    Well she has been around for LOOONG!

    I am thinking few years from now, Adam will also be selling like hot cakes! :D Not that he’s not doing well…

  156. Looks like we won’t see Allison’s or Kris’s AOL Session performances until January.

    ginaorr
    Not sure about Kris Allen and Allison Iraheta AOL Sessions. Probably January. If I hear it is coming sooner I’ll let everyone know.

  157. Brian Mansfield has already written a negative article about Kris’ album sales.

    guess i missed that.

    Guess I missed that too. Does anyone have a link?

  158. A few exact numbers from Pulse where the source’s anti-Kradison bias is VERY obvious ;) OK maybe it’s just that he happened to only get sales for current country albums but it seemed like a good time to put on a tinfoil hat ;)

    Carrie (Play On): 153,075 (total: 996,712)
    Kellie: 7,459 (total: 360,367)

  159. OMG! I cannot believe 7,000 people bought the bastard child album.

    I’m sorry – I saw this and am seriously LMAO :-) Just had to say that!

  160. ” OMG! I cannot believe 7,000 people bought the bastard child album. ”

    It’s 31,000 in total LOL

  161. Carrie (Play On): 153,075 (total: 996,712)
    Kellie: 7,459 (total: 360,367)

    Thanks windmills. I’ve updated the main post.

    Carrie is a selling machine and Kellie does her thing, quietly racking up the numbers into big numbers.

  162. Wow, good for SuBo! It’s such a feel-good story, I love it. I am out of the loop regarding critical and fan reviews of her album ‘“ what’s the consensus (if there is one)?

    Nobody knows.
    Everyone who listened to it is still asleep.

  163. Nobody knows.
    Everyone who listened to it is still asleep.

    LMAO, that just made my morning, thank you!
    Also, I cannot wait for next week numbers, maybe we will see how many were returned.

  164. Simon may be right when he said Carrie will be bigger than Kelly. That said I’m crossing my finger he’s also correct about Adam becoming a worldwide star. :) ding-dong!

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