Idol Headlines For 02/13/10

“Idol”’s Carrie Underwood, Danny Gokey, Kellie Pickler on Top 20

The fastest way to a Nashville recording contract, it appears, is to do well on “American Idol, ” and nowhere is that more apparent than this weekend’s edition of GAC’s Top 20 Country Countdown, hosted this week by Suzanne Alexander. Three former “Idol” contestants — Carrie Underwood, Danny Gokey and Kellie Pickler — own the top four slots on the list.

Carrie’s former No. 1 video, “Cowboy Casanova, ” regains the top spot from the Zac Brown Band, while her emotional “Temporary Home” clip makes its debut on the chart at No. 2. Kellie Pickler reamins at No. 4 with her Caribbean-shot “Didn’t You Know How Much I Loved You.” And Danny makes his first chart appearance at No. 3 with “My Best Days Are Ahead Of Me.”

Gac TV

Paula Abdul confirms she’s ‘doing a TV show’

Was Paula Abdul dropping hints this morning on the Johnjay and Rich Show?

When asked to give a clue as to her next project, she said, “Drop a clue? Oh, I’m gonna be going back to my roots and doing a TV show that has something to do with my roots, ” she said this morning on the morning radio program, after dodging several questions asking her to confirm rumors that she’ll be reunited with Simon Cowell on his new X Factor show.

“I’m going back to doing some teaching on television in that kind of capacity, ” she added. “And what else can I tell you? I might be doing something with the Laker Girls.”

USA Today

Kris Allen, Adam Lambert And Allison Iraheta Reunite Onstage In NYC

NEW YORK — The “American Idol” stars aligned Friday night (February 12), as Allison Iraheta, Adam Lambert and Kris Allen took the stage for an exclusive live event.

Ryan Seacrest’s “Rock My Town” concert brought out hundreds of lucky ticket winners, all of whom braved the cold for hours to make sure they got the best possible spot in the intimate Highline Ballroom.

Performing in the order in which they were eliminated during the eighth season of “Idol, ” fiery-haired Allison Iraheta rocked out first in a dizzying set that showed off her raspy pipes and her criminally overlooked pop/rock songs.

MTV

More Idol Headlines after the JUMP…

Grease National Tour to End May 23

The national tour of Grease will play its final leg at the Palace Theater in Cleveland, Ohio, May 11-23. The planned Boston engagement of the tour, which was to have run in June, has been canceled.

The touring cast currently stars former American Idol contestant Ace Young as Danny and Lauren Ashley Zakrin (Sandy), and features American Idol’s Taylor Hicks as Teen Angel. The cast also includes Will Blum (Roger), Kate Morgan Chadwick (Frenchy), Bridie Carroll (Jan), Laura D’Andre (Rizzo), Kelly Felthous (Marty), Allison Fischer (Patty Simcox), Dominic Fortuna (Vince Fontaine), Jesse JP Johnson (Doody), Roxie Lucas (Miss Lynch), David Ruffin (Kenickie), Jamison Scott (Eugene), and Nick Verina (Sonny).

Theater Mania

Adam Lambert, Kris Allen, Allison Iraheta Talk Reuniting For NYC Show

On Friday night (February 12), “American Idol” fans in New York were in for a treat. Season-eight winner Kris Allen joined breakout superstar Adam Lambert and fourth-place finisher Allison Iraheta for a special concert, exclusive to contest winners of a Z100 radio giveaway, the “Ryan, Rock My Town” event at the Highline Ballroom.

MTV News “American Idol” expert Jim Cantiello was on the scene to score the first-ever interview with Kradison (“Idol” fans’ affectionate name for the triumvirate) and was able to get the scoop on the reunion concert.

MTV

The Kradison Concert: Allen, Lambert & Iraheta Reunite For One Night Only

The three-pronged phenom known as “Kradison”–for the uninitiated, that’s the holy American Idol trinity of season 8’s Kris Allen, Adam Lambert, and Allison Iraheta–still remains strong, an unbroken Idol alliance of sorts, in the hearts and DVRs of diehard fans…even though the three finalists stopped performing together after the Idols Live Tour wrapped in September ’09, and they have since embarked on very different, very individualistic solo careers. But for one magical night only–Friday, February 12–Kradison flailingly came together at an intimate New York City club concert, and it was just like old times.

Yahoo.com

‘Idolatry’: Blondes with guitars, Ellen with pancakes, and Kristen Baldwin with a PSA for the men of America

Congratulations, Idoloonies, we’ve made it through the first two Hollywood Week episodes of American Idol’s ninth season — which means we’re thisclose to finding out who’s in the top 24! (Unless, of course, you’re into — eek! — spoilers.) And while unfortunately, Idolatry was unsuccessful in its quest to get Fox to send us the names of all 71 singers who survived the “group audition” rounds — we wanted to scroll ‘em up the screen, Star Wars-style, to calm those “did my fave get through?” feelings of panic — my cohost Kristen Baldwin and I have nonetheless attempted to make sense of everything else you experienced on your screens: An onslaught of super-talented blonde guitarists; Ellen as either a lobster or a stack of pancakes; and the inexplicable rage of one Mary Powers.

PopWatch

Paula Abdul — Stern ‘Hates’ American Idol, But …

Paula Abdul finally declared her opinion on the Howard Stern situation this morning …. but moments after taking a stand, the former “American Idol” judge seemed to flip-flop worse than John Kerry.

It all went down when Paula was on her way in to a radio interview in Phoenix, Arizona when a cameraman — not ours — asked what she thought of Stern possibly taking over for Simon Cowell.

Paula’s reply: “I don’t think that’s gonna happen … I don’t know … funnier things happen.”

When the cameraman asked why Stern would be qualified for the gig, Abdul responded, “He hates the show … I don’t even know why … He doesn’t hate a hundred million though.”

TMZ

Carrie Underwood Hits the “Soul Surfer” Set

Ready to show off her acting skills, Carrie Underwood was spotted on the set of “Soul Surfer” in Hawaii on Friday (February 12).

The “American Idol” alum hit the beach in a casual-cute ensemble as she eagerly prepared to run through the day’s scenes.

As for the film, “Soul Surfer” is an inspirational film about 19-year-old champion surfer Bethany Hamilton, who made headlines when she was attacked by a shark and lost her arm, only to fully recover and return to the sport she loves so much.

celebrity-gossip.net

Carrie Underwood Tickets Sell Out in Less Than Three Hours

(Springfield, MO) — People started lining up as early as 11:00 p.m. Thursday night looking to score tickets to Carrie Underwood’s concert.

“Got to be first in line to get the good seats, ” explains Brice Morrison, a Carrie Underwood fan.

Tickets went on sale at 10:00 a.m. Friday morning and were sold out by 12:30 p.m.

The country superstar and American Idol alum will perform at JQH Arena on June 15. Tickets ranged in price from $35 to $55.

Fans say the wait to buy tickets is worth it to see a Grammy winner

Ozark First

Adam Lambert parties hard at the F-Word in NYC

Thank God for Twitter!! PhDj (@sethclark) was at the F-Word in Manhattan on Friday night where Adam Lambert was evidently drunk off his noodle!

PhDj broke the news by tweeting that Lambert is hanging out at Rebel nightclub tonight for Mistress Formika and Mark Nelson’s weekly Friday freak fest. According to PhDj, Lambert’s security bitches wouldn’t allow any pictures.

Thank goodness we have @sethclark to follow on Twitter for updates like those above. OMG, did Adam seriously try to rip Roze Black’s wig off? I feel a statement from the Black family coming!

Gay Socialites.com

‘American Idol’: The ‘Adam Lambert effect?’

In a recent interview with Zap2it, Kara DioGuardi mentioned the “Adam Lambert effect” on this year’s “American Idol.” We’d like to posit that this “effect” pre-dates Lambert by several seasons.

Adam Lambert turned Country Night on its head last year by performing a sitar-music version of Johnny Cash’s “Ring of Fire.” Here’s a refresher:

Zap2it.com

Felicia Finley to Perform at Broadway Bears; Cheyenne Jackson, Constantine Maroulis, et al. to Attend

Felicia Finley will perform at the 2010 edition of Broadway Bears, to be held on Valentine’s Day, Sunday, February 14 at B.B. King Blues Club & Grill, beginning at 6pm. As previously announced, John Bolton will host and long-time Sotheby’s auctioneer, Lorna Kelly will preside over the evening.

Stars who are expected to be in attendance include Jim Caruso, Donna Drake, Ann Harada, Moisés Kaufman, Ron Kunene, Cheyenne Jackson, Gelan Lambert, Tshidi Manye, Constantine Maroulis, Paris Remillard, Loretta Ables Sayre, Craig Salstein, Christopher Sieber, and Michael Dameski, Alex Ko, and Liam Redhead from Billy Elliot.

Theater Mania

Katharine McPhee on her Blonde Hair, New Album & Beauty Secrets

Katharine McPhee managed to silence a room full of beauty insiders last night when she took to the stage in downtown Manhattan to help Hearst celebrate the launch of its new beauty site, RealBeauty.com.

Kicking off Fashion Week in style, the American idol winner donned a mini cream-colored lace dress by Phillip Lim to sing two songs from her latest album and toast the publishing giant’s latest online venture. A mixture of beauty and health-related content from Hearst properties like Cosmopolitan, Bazaar and Marie Claire, Realbeauty.com made its official debut in November with high hopes from Hearst.

Styleist.com

McPhee, Asner, Lawrence, Turturro et al. Set for Reading of 110 STORIES to Benefit Red Cross

An all-star cast has joined together in Los Angeles for a special benefit reading of 110 Stories, at 8pm on February 22nd at The Geffen Playhouse (10886 Le Conte Avenue, Los Angeles 90024). Proceeds go to the RED CROSS of Greater Los Angeles.

Ticket prices $57-$83 and may be purchased http://geffenplayhouse.com/110stories or at Ticketmaster http://www.ticketmaster.com/110-Stories-tickets/artist/1396005

A VIP reception sponsored by South Africa’s Cape Classic Wines follows immediately afterwards.

Producer and original cast member (Public Theatre NY 2004) Stelio Savante, (Ugly Betty, My Super Ex Girlfriend, 110 Stories – Original Cast) is bringing the play to Los Angeles for this event and along with Producer Andrew Carlberg (The 4th Wall, ABC’s Castle, I Have It) has assembled an all star cast:

Nic Harcourt (KCRW, Editor At Large: Music & Culture for LA: The LA Times Magazine) is narrating. Performing are: Katharine McPhee (American Idol, The House Bunny), Ed Asner (Elf, JFK, Up), Michael Welch (Twilight, New Moon, Unrequited ), Sharon Lawrence (NYPD Blue, Grey’s Anatomy ), Michael Beach (Third Watch, True Romance, Soul Food), Diane Venora (Heat, The Insider, Bird), Maria Conchita Alonso (Caught, Saints & Sinners, Kiss Of The Spiderwoman), Ernie Hudson (Ghostbusters, OZ, The Hand That Rocks The Cradle), Gail O Grady (American Dreams, Boston Legal), Stelio Savante (see credits above), Nick Turturro (NYPD Blue), Malcolm Jamal Warner, (The Cosby Show) & Sophie Sinise (CSI: NY, Anatomy of Grey). Directed by Mark Freiburger (Dog Days Of Summer) OTHER CELEBRITY PERFORMERS ANNOUNCED SOON.

Broadway World

Kellie Pickler and Little Brother Break Down Barriers

Kellie Pickler learned a powerful lesson about love and relationships while filming the video for her recent hit, ‘Didn’t You Know How Much I Love You, ‘ all thanks to her little brother. Taking nine-year old Eric along to the Dominican Republic for the video shoot, Kellie says she witnessed firsthand how children can transcend any obstacle, including language, to form a bond.

“There were two little boys there, ” the singer tells GAC. “One was French, and the other was Spanish, and they could not understand a word each other was saying. And the most beautiful thing I think I’ve ever seen: I saw them tryin’ to communicate, but there was that communication barrier there, and Eric finally just ran up to me, he {said], ‘Sissy, I want to play with them, but they can’t understand me.’ And I went, ‘You’ll figure out a way to communicate with them.'”

The Boot

Theater review: ‘The Color Purple’ with Fantasia at the Pantages

There’s a Sunday morning sort of feeling at the Pantages Theatre these days as “The Color Purple” visits town with “American Idol” winner Fantasia Barrino in the central role.

The reports about her Broadway appearance in the musical in 2007-08, toward the end of its run, are all true. Performer and character disappear into each other, emerging as something achingly real yet bigger, more wondrous than life. Her rise through the third season of “Idol” might have signaled that she is a singer of rare talent, but it is as Celie, a woman slowly awakening to her inner magnificence, that she explodes like a supernova.

LA Times

Audrina Patridge: Hollywood Hottie

And while she’s currently in the midst of filming another season of “The Hills, ” Audrina has announced that she’ll be joining eighth-season American Idol finalist, Matt Giraud, to work on the YOBI.tv channel show “MAKE THE CUT, ” which is an upcoming original singing competition.

“There is so much undiscovered talent out there, ” Miss Patridge tells, adding, “I am excited to take part in such a dynamic platform that will give opportunity to so many.”

Celebrity-Gossip.net

Dancing Flash Mob Surprises Ryan & His Mom

Love was in the air in Santa Monica, CA Wednesday as Ryan sat down to lunch with his mom Connie and was surprised by a dancing, kissing flash mob!

Disguised as a street performer, a lone guitarist kicked off the stunt with an imaginative acoustic version of Six Pence None the Richer’s hit single “Kiss Me, ” which led to the original track and beautiful choreography from the paired-up dancers. The routine, topped with a passionate kiss, came to a close as innocently as it began and the dancers disappeared back into the promenade.

Ryan Seacrest.com

Cowell to Wed and Have Kids

BROODY Simon Cowell could soon marry his new lover Mezhgan Hussainy and have kids, his close pal “Nasty” Nigel Lythgoe claims.

The So You Think You Can Dance? judge revealed that playboy Cowell, 50, has been close to Mezhgan, 36, for seven years – and says they make a “beautiful couple”.

And the producer – who gave Cowell his break in TV as a judge on Pop Idol – says the pop guru is so keen to be a dad, he has been collecting PETS as a substitute family.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/2852208/Dance-judge-Nigel-Lythgoe-says-Simon-Cowell-will-wed-have-kids.html#ixzz0fPz6Idvi

The Sun.co.uk

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266 Comments

  1. Pants on the Ground is still leading all the other Idol songs on iTunes. S9 is off to a good start. :)

  2. I like the new site.

    Here are today’s updates for LLWD: The song gained a spot on both charts, hopefully, it can hold off the other songs until the official chart is released tomorrow.

    POP:
    17 16 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 4218 3884 334 25.725
    +40 Spins
    -4 Bullet
    +0.139 AI

    HAC:
    8 5 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 3046 2897 149 15.127
    +14 Spins
    +6 Bullet
    +0.088 AI

  3. The site looks great, mj!

    But I know some others have mentioned the dissappearence of the “recent posts” on the side bar… I also feel it should be there, because with it gone, it’s a little disorienting. You can’t see the other threads and can’t directly go from one to the other, unless it’s the one which is immediately before, or after.

    That’s it though! Congrats cause it sho is purrty :-)

    Edit: I thought I was posting on the former thread… sorry!

  4. Lol about POTG on iTunes — but it really is catchy ;)

    Congratulations to Carrie, Danny and Kellie about the GAC Countdown which isn’t the easiest one to do well. Fans can only vote once daily per ip address. Impressed that Carrie got the top two spots, and #3 is amazing for Danny for his first time on that chart.

    Danny also hit #1 in the CMT Pure top 12 countdown, after arriving at #8 the week before when his video first went on air.

  5. I kind of suspected Danny would either make it or break it if he went Country. That it would be a roll of the dice. I am happy that his move towards Country Music might just pan out for Danny.

  6. #3 is amazing for Danny for his first time on that chart.

    Very impressive for Danny.
    ;)

    And I am glad Kris’s LLWD is getting more spins.

  7. POP:
    22 20 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 3557 2882 675 24.289
    +102 Spins
    +84 Bullet
    +0.566 AI

    HAC:
    27 24 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 822 616 206 3.754
    +22 Spins
    +3 Bullet
    +0.240 AI

    another great update for WWFM.

    Rumor has it that WWFM is #1 again this week on VH1 countdown.

  8. Well it was smart for RCA to release WWFM and “save the day” after the FYE single didn’t do well, at least the WWFM single has some legs.

  9. Hafta say I was surprised to read how well Danny Gokey is doing in country, although I continue to be surprised at how well Pickles is doing and Danny has the better voice. I will never adapt to Katherine McPhee’s blond hair….um, maybe if it was a different shade of blond?? She looks awful for such a pretty girl.

  10. I can’t believe that Simon would marry so quickly. He hasn’t even been split with Terri that long.

  11. I am so traumatized.

    I thought the complete minimalism of the old site was a deeply thought out strategic choice.

    Not sure I can handle all the radical change in the Idol world.

    Paula is weeping over an empty Coke cup and spotting people’s inner beauty from a couch, Simon is quitting and experimenting with a Susan Boyle/Adam Lambert/Leona Lewis mutant cloning project called the X-Factor, the writer of No Boundaries is telling people how to succeed in the music business, Ellen Degeneres wandered in . . . and now, MJ has sprung for a logo and a graphic header.

    At least Randy Jackson is still infuriatingly useless–this eternal truth cannot change.

    I like how the graphic has the crowd of music executives and Fox TV programmers yearning with their arms out towards the past–Shooowww that made the money and the ratings and the hits and the crazy, do not leeeaaave us in a cold, hard world . . .

  12. Congratulations to Carrie, Danny and Kellie about the GAC Countdown which isn’t the easiest one to do well. Fans can only vote once daily per ip address. Impressed that Carrie got the top two spots, and #3 is amazing for Danny for his first time on that chart.

    Danny also hit #1 in the CMT Pure top 12 countdown, after arriving at #8 the week before when his video first went on air.

    I am glad to see the idols at the top of the GAC Top 20 Countdown. I am very glad to see Danny at #3, especially since that is a harder countdown to get onto. And I am also very glad to see Danny get #1, on the CMT Pure Countdown, that is really awesome. :)

  13. I think that Danny just might be a real star of Idol if his career in Country works out for him.

  14. My host insists that it’s the “recent host” widget that’s been hosing my site lately. Seeing how I’ve been using that widget, like, forever, I doubt it.

    But I agreed to leave it off as a troubleshooting tactic.

    I may create my own widget with static links, which will be a pain in the ass, but I miss the side bar too!

  15. Thanks for the respective peeps for bringing over the spins for WWFM and LLWD. Good increases for both.

    And hey, POTG was a national phenom, I’m glad it’s doing so well. I like Larry Platt.

  16. Hmm. Where are all the Glamberts weighing in on Adam’s reportedly drunken sighting at the F-Word. No comments to make?

  17. Hmm. Where are all the Glamberts weighing in on Adam’s reportedly drunken sighting at the F-Word. No comments to make?

    Have those been confirmed? What is the “F-Word”? Is that a club?

  18. I am so traumatized.

    I thought the complete minimalism of the old site was a deeply thought out strategic choice.

    Not sure I can handle all the radical change in the Idol world.

    Heheh. Funny post, but I feel your pain.

  19. Hmm. Where are all the Glamberts weighing in on Adam’s reportedly drunken sighting at the F-Word. No comments to make?

    My only comment is that, if true, I wish I’d been there! It sounds like a fun way to celebrate an epic performance.

  20. Hmm. Where are all the Glamberts weighing in on Adam’s reportedly drunken sighting at the F-Word. No comments to make?

    delete

  21. Hmm. Where are all the Glamberts weighing in on Adam’s reportedly drunken sighting at the F-Word. No comments to make?

    What would they comment? Guy above the age of 21, going to bar after his gig/work. Maybe was drunk. Wasn’t driving (he had “people” according to the Tweets).

    And?

    Am I missing something where this is scandalous or matters in any way shape or form?

  22. movin2thabeet:
    02/13/2010 at 10:27 am
    Hmm. Where are all the Glamberts weighing in on Adam’s reportedly drunken sighting at the F-Word. No comments to make?

    Even if the rumors are true, I doubt Adam would be the first musician that’s ever been drunk at a club. He has his bodyguards to make sure he will get home safe and in one piece.

  23. Ok – I keep trying, but I can’t edit my above post so my comment along with the quote I was copying ended up in the shaded block. Sorry- hopefully, I’ll figure it out right the first time next time around!

  24. LOL at the comments in Jim C’s review. I am now wondering if he took at swipe at the Glamberts for the hits. Don’t venture in there if you don’t want to get caught in the crossfire. Either that or Jim C is waaaayyy to sensitive about Kris. I’m hoping for the first, but I suspect the second after his “why didn’t Kara compare Andrew to Kris instead of Adam?” whine.

    I too will be glad if Kris and Adam don’t perform together for awhile as it does seem to bring out the fan rivilary. However, I’m glad to see they are all great friends.

  25. Maybe Jim C. is just echoing what a lot of people have been noticing. I remember that Jim C. was not in Kris’s corner during season 8. He was an Allison fan. I remember the cellcast shows between Rickey, MJ and Jim that Jim was not a fan of Kris, but of Allison. So maybe Jim has been noticing things that others have for months after the show?

    Even total Glambert Lyndsay Parker of Yahoo Music news has noticed that also and has mentioned it in her latest writings,, and she was raked over the coals in her comment section. So it is not a figment of Jim’s imagination if plenty of people see it. Especially if you are in the Idol bubble you tend to see it more. I see it and Kris was not my favorite last year.

  26. Idols in iTunes Top 100 only

    #13 Pants on the Ground
    #18 LLWD
    #28 WWFM
    #50 Life After You – Daughtry
    #68 Cowboy Casanova – Carrie
    #75 Temporary Home – Carrie

    People are free to leave a show. It’s only a drag for the folks who would have wanted to see all three perform and couldn’t score tickets. But it’s not like the summer when some reviewers almost made Kris seem like a non entity. With a hit single soon to go platinum, that’s just not true now.

  27. Since when does a 28 yo single guy being (possibly) drunk in a bar in NYC late on a friday night warrant comment? There are thousands of them prowling the city on any given night LOL

  28. VH1 Top 20 Video Countdown
    Daughtry LAY #5
    Kris LLWD #3
    Adam #1
    Carrie CC did not chart.

    Congrats Adam!!!

  29. The power of Idol…even “Pants on the Ground” charts on Itunes…lol

  30. Maybe Jim C. is just echoing what a lot of people have been noticing.

    The problem is that Jim C isn’t doing either fan group a favor. Yes, he is perpetuating that some of Adam Lambert fans are OTT, but he is also perpetuating that some of Kris fans are whiners. It’s not really good for either fan group to have either one of those labels. But having said that, I think there is truth to both of those descriptions.

  31. I think Pants on the Ground is charting higher on iTunes than either LLWD or WWFM has reached to date. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

  32. LOL at the comments in Jim C’s review. I am now wondering he took at swipe at the Glamberts for the hits. Don’t venture in there if you don’t want to get caught in the crossfire. Either that or Jim C is waaaayyy to sensitive about Kris. I’m hoping for the first, but I suspect the second after his “why didn’t Kara compare Andrew to Kris instead of Adam?” whine.

    Maybe Jim is tired of a small but vocal fan base that goes out of their way to be nasty. The behavior just doesn’t make sense.

  33. I think Pants on the Ground is charting higher on iTunes than either LLWD or WWFM has reached to date. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

    No, I think you are correct. Now did Larry (is that his name) also write this song? So should he also be earning songwriting fees as well? Would that mean he gets about .16 cents a download? I hope that is true. That would be awesome. Also I hope he got paid for his public appearance at the football game.

  34. Jpfan. U are correct, potg is higher than itunes peak for either llwd or wwfm. But doesn’t mean much unless it hangs around for a while. TfM quickly got to #9 or 10 (did it get as high as 8? I don’t recall) and then quickly fell and disappeared. Llwd and wwfm have far outsold TFM and in the end will far outsell potg as well (umm maybe hopefully!?!)

  35. People are free to leave a show. It’s only a drag for the folks who would have wanted to see all three perform and couldn’t score tickets. But it’s not like the summer when some reviewers almost made Kris seem like a non entity. With a hit single soon to go platinum, that’s just not true now.

    This is true. The glamberts actions aren’t going to keep Kris from having fun, achieving his dream, making music, or being successful. Given how the voting went and that this stuff has been going on for months, what happened isn’t a surprise. I think the frustration is because this behavior is really getting old.

  36. @undercooked could it be because he noticed that some of Kris’s fans have a legitimate reason to complain, or what Glambert’s call “whiners”.

    I have seen some pretty rank remarks by a certain fanbase attacking every AI article that mentions Kris’s name. I have seen fan written articles appear under the News section attacking Kris. Now if I can see that, then anyone else can and come to a reasonable conclusion that some members of a certain fanbase are the ones causing this “fanwar”. Now if people complain about the crazy OTT attacks, or as Glamberts say, “whine” about it,…well I agree with the Kris fans, because I have seen it with my own eyes.

    If even Lynsday Parker saw it, then there you go.

  37. I doubt POTG will outsell LLWD or WWFM in the end but I am enjoying its probably very shorted lived success.

  38. I doubt POTG will outsell LLWD or WWFM in the end but I am enjoying it’s probably very shorted lived success.

    I think it will have a limited time also.

  39. Given how the voting went and that this stuff has been going on for months, what happened isn’t a surprise

    The voting in these things are never fair. In fact, the voting isn’t fair for AI either. It is what it is. I think NY was a great location for all three performers.

  40. I don’t see any thing wrong with the NYC location, what I saw wrong were the actions of a certain fan base that was wrong and always try to ruin the good vibes of any AI concert because some of those not only crow for their favorite, which there is nothing wrong with that, BUT when they make snide remarks and attack the other singers on the ticket, they are the ones who destroy the good will and good vibe of the concert.

  41. Sorry Tinydance, we are going to have to agree to disagree. There are awful things said about Adam in comment sections all of the time. I think they both Adam and Kris have their fair share of haters. Danny too, for that matter. But the attacks against Kris are usually that people don’t think he should have won. The attacks on Danny and Adam are usually very personal.

    But all is good. These guys are all grownups and are all making some good money now. I’m sure they are happy. :)

  42. I have no doubt that some people left the concert before kris’ set, what I disagree with is the assumption that all who left were “glamberts” and that their leaving was somehow a show of disrespect to kris. People leave early at every concert I have ever been to. People leave to beat traffic, get a train, get home to relieve a babysitter who has to leave at a certain time. Sometimes people get tired of the crowd. And sometimed during multi-artist shows they leave because they are simply uninterested in seeing the next performer bc they do not enjoy their music. This happens at every multi artist show and festival I have been to as well (and I have been to a lot). It also appears that many of the peopl who were perceived as leaving were just getting air/drinks/using bathroom and came back. Were there a few ott fans who left to somehow “diss kris”. Probably. If adam had gone last would some kris fans have left to “diss adam” probably. This is all much ado about nothing

  43. I don’t see any thing wrong with the NYC location, what I saw wrong were the actions of a certain fan base that was wrong and always try to ruin the good vibes of any AI concert.

    From other reports, only a handful of people left. And from the pictures from Crazy, it looks as if it was still a full house. I think what destroys the vibe is Jim C tweeting that droves of people are leaving when it wasn’t true. Kris won and he got a trophy and he got to go last at this NY concert. So a handful of people left before his set and it sounds like they left for a variety of reasons. It’s only a big deal if it is made into a big deal. The vibe at the club from the Crazy vid seemed pretty good to me.

  44. The voting in these things are never fair. In fact, the voting isn’t fair for AI either. It is what it is. I think NY was a great location for all three performers.

    I think the voting on AI is fair, but that’s just my opinion.

    When I mentioned the voting, I was referring to the fact that NY didn’t overtake Arkansas until Adam tweeted for people to vote for NY, and suddenly in the matter of two hours NY made up a deficit of 2000 votes. Based on that, it was a good bet that the audience was going to be full of people who’s main objective was that the concert not be held in Arkansas. If that was people’s main reason for voting, it was clear that they were going to go out of their way to try to be rude towards Kris.

  45. This is an A&R guy at RCA:

    @TheDaveCarlson @thedavidcook is writing awesome songs. the new record is going to be amazing.

    Wonder if this guy was in the song listening meeting DC tweeted about last week. And today is exactly one year the never-ending Declaration tour started!

  46. I was referring to the fact that NY didn’t overtake Arkansas until Adam tweeted for people to vote for NY, and suddenly in the matter of two hours NY made up a deficit of 2000 votes. Based on that, it was a good bet that the audience was going to be full of people who’s main objective was that the concert not be held in Arkansas.

    I could be wrong, but I thought you had to prove you lived within a certain radius to get tickets. Also, I believe Kris and his mother were asking people to vote for Little Rock, so I don’t think Adam did anything wrong asking peole to vote for NY.

    IMHO the AI voting system is flawed, and it is always discussed every season, not just season 8.

  47. I have no doubt that some people left the concert before kris’ set, what I disagree with is the assumption that all who left were “glamberts” and that their leaving was somehow a show of disrespect to kris.

    If this was an isolated event, you might have a point. But given what has happened since the show ended, I don’t think your theory works very well. We only have to look at the glamberts’ actions during the tour to see that this falls in line with what they usually do. Is it a big deal, no. It was expected, and anyone could have guessed that it would happen even when the concert was announced.

  48. If adam tweets to vote for ny and people vote for ny why is that being rude to kris and not being supportive toward adam? Every pro-adam action is not a dis/rude action toward kris. What frankly pissed me off about the voting is that it was supposed to be people voting for their own cities and peoole who lived in those cities winning tix. Instead u had boatloads of people who didn’t live anywhere near little rock or nyc voting for those cities. And in the end a lot of people who didn’t live in the nyc area won tix while a lot of nyc residents did not (yes I’m still bitter)

    On an entirely new topic, did anyone score tix for the VH1 taping today? Will we get any recaps?

  49. Were there a few ott fans who left to somehow “diss kris”. Probably. If adam had gone last would some kris fans have left to “diss adam” probably

    Not only did they leave, but many tweeted about “planning to leave” on twitter as a diss and tried to get others to do the same and many agreed. I saw the tweets. Then some of them go to News articles, like Jim’s and write about How great Adam is, NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT…but here is the kicker…and then in the same paragraph ATTACK KRIS.

    Now if they would just say how they love Adam, blah, blah, that would be cool, but why…why do they feel compelled to attack Kris in the same paragraph, and Kris, who appears to be one of Adam’s closest friends on the show…even some of Adam’s fan TWEET they question Kris’s friendship towards Adam. Which is even more crazy.

    WHY DO THEY FEEL COMPELLED TO COMPARE ADAM WITH KRIS? They don’t compare Adam with Allison, or Adam with Danny, but oddly Adam fans feel compelled to compare Adam and Kris, and they are not even in the same genre of music.

    I never understand anyones need to attack a friend of Adams or even have to bring him up?

    I am just glad my favorite didn’t win because I know some of the Glamberts would be attacking my favorite at every turn.

  50. Jx223:
    02/13/2010 at 11:26 am

    Danny is going to be apart of a “New Country Throwdown” event at one of Toby Keith’s bar on February 19. Other country acts that will be apart of this event the same night as Danny are Steel Magnolia, The Band Perry, Houston Country, Matt Kennon and Aaron Watson. This sounds like this will be a good event for Danny to be apart of.

    http://www.tobykeith.com/mesa/events.html?page=events&view=2010-02-19

    Thanks for that info!

  51. So a few fans got up and left after Adam’s set, is it that big of a deal. I would think the Kris fans would be happy to get closer to the stage. I doubt Kris cared, I don’t understand why some fans take it as an insult to Kris. Although I thought this little reunion was years to early and was of no significance to any of their careers, it gave the idol fans to get a last glimpse of these guys together.

    As for what Jim said, it’s doesn’t make any difference. I am more interested in how the press outside of the idol bubble, view Adam and his performances, especially the international press. Adam, Kris and Allison all have careers to build and to generate press and interest. This concert was useless as far as bringing any of them media attention. The only good thing that came out of this was some nice tweets from RCA representatives at the concert, who were pleased with Adam’s performance.

  52. I could be wrong, but I thought you had to prove you lived within a certain radius to get tickets. Also, I believe Kris and his mother were asking people to vote for Little Rock, so I don’t think Adam did anything wrong asking peole to vote for NY.

    IMHO the AI voting system is flawed, and it is always discussed every season, not just season 8.

    I didn’t say that Adam did anything wrong. I’m was laying out the facts surrounding how NY took the lead, and what that meant in terms of the makeup of the crowd. At one point in the contest, glamberts started voting for NY because it was the closest to Arkansas in terms of the vote totals.

    The rules said one vote per person, but people voted more than once, and some people even used fake email addresses. One reason why tickets were still being given away as late as last Friday is because so many people from outside of New York voted, but other people got around the residency requirements of the contest. People were supposed to send in proof, but many didn’t, and a quick look at last night’s twitter feed will show that people came in from other out of cities and states.

    As far as AI’s voting, the point is for people to vote as many times as they want. There are no restrictions on age or number of votes a person can cast. People not wanting to vote for four hours stright doesn’t mean that the system is flawed, nor does someone’s favorite not winning.

  53. Twenty or so people out of 600 walking out between sets hardly makes any particular fanbase disrespectful. There is no way, short of monitoring each and every person, that a random member in the crowd could know that they even left the show. There was, what, 20 minutes in between acts? You really think that people in a standing room only venue, packed in like sardines and sweating like pigs are going to just stand there during those breaks?

    I imagine there were a few who did leave early, I also imagine that most went to get air, grab a drink, get a smoke or used the restroom. It’s not like the three did a couple of songs each for their sets. As it is, I sincerely doubt that any of the three would notice if there were less people in their audience. They were probably too busy with setting up, not to mention that those bright lights in their faces tend to make the audience rather dark.

    And lets be honest, why should anyone feel obligated to another fanbase and sit through a performance they won’t enjoy? If you’re just going to be disgusted, or bored, or disinterested in a performance, give yourself and those around you a break and leave instead of bringing others down. People are at these events for their own personal enjoyment, not to get credit for a class or job.

  54. N

    ot only did they leave, but many tweeted about “planning to leave” on twitter as a diss and tried to get others to do the same and many agreed. I saw the tweets. Then some of them go to News articles, like Jim’s and write about How great Adam is, NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT…but here is the kicker…and then in the same paragraph ATTACK KRIS.

    For me the kicker, is going to the news articles, an just like during the tour, commenting on people leaving during Kris’ set, and making it seem like it was not a planned group effort. I’m not referring to anyone who is commenting on this thread, more about the ones who go to threads on mainstream media sites, MTV, EW, Eonline, etc., and act like “wow, Kris Allen most have been bad, since so many people walked out.”

  55. Jim c. lost points in my book for raising this issue of people leaving. what’s a sizable amount of a crowd of 300? 10, 20, 50, 100?

    Of the footage i saw of crazy, seems to me the room was quite full so I tend to think it might be in the order of 10-20.

    Why the mention of this impolite behavior (because it is, unless you’ve got no choice to do so) that would just stirs shit? Let’s not forget that Jim C. is media and controversy is the nature of the beast.
    It’s supposed to be a fun reunion and I object to stuff ruining the spirit of it

  56. I am more interested in how the press outside of the idol bubble, view Adam and his performances, especially the international press.

    …and I bet dollars to donuts that in any comment section of ANY article about the concert will have some remark about how great Adam and how terrible or boring Kris was…in the same paragraph.

    …and that is what has been going on since Kris won. Interestingly before that Kris had positive comments, and many from Adam fans, but after Kris won, Suddenly out of the blue Kris is the most boring, terrible, horrible singer in the whole history of music…LOL

    Now watch…I thought at first it was just temporary and would go away when SANE people calm down about Adam coming in 2nd, but NOOOO, it is the real “whiners” who have carried on their attack on Kris FOR MONTHS now…MONTHS.

    Just you watch the comment sections of news articles about any concert that Kris attends or does….lol

  57. When I go to my favorites news article…not one article is marred by any 2nd place winner’s fans snide remarks. So I am glad my favorite didn’t win, but I actually have gotten to like Kris because of all the CRAP he has had to put up with from the whiners who have not moved on.

    It made me admire him for being strong enough to have to deal with the REAL hatred that has been going on for months now.

  58. Now watch…I thought at first it was just temporary and would go away when SANE people calm down about Adam coming in 2nd, but NOOOO, it is the real “whiners” who have carried on their attack on Kris FOR MONTHS now…MONTHS.

    There’s nothing new about this. It’s standard issue, over-invested, AI fan behavior. It happens every year, with every fan base.

    And, all of the sane people stopped caring about who came in first or second about 10 minutes after the finale.

    There are a lot of people who like Kris & Adam both, and are just completely over the fan-warring. Clearly though, it never stops.

  59. Twitter is the devil! 5-10 people tweet about leaving and then that gets blown out of proportion.
    Hermetically Sealed, I agree with your post 100%.:)

  60. Were there a few ott fans who left to somehow “diss kris”. Probably. If adam had gone last would some kris fans have left to “diss adam” probably

    WOW, so you’re telling me that those people were in a FREE concert with GREAT MUSIC leave it because they wanted to prove that something that happened almost a year ago was wrong?

    I can’t believe they missed LLWD performance and Crazy performance (with Adam) because they wanted to show Adam how much they love him by dissing Kris? Do they really think Adam is going to be happy and proud of that? Really? Wow! Maybe they had another reason to leave because this is hard to believe.
    Anyway I enjoyed the videos but I hope this is the last Kradison concert because I hate the fan wars. Adam was amazing I love him a lot! Kris and Allison were great too, yeah Kradison my top3 for ever :) Thanks MJ for the videos!

  61. VH1 Top 20 Video Countdown
    Daughtry LAY #5
    Kris LLWD #3
    Adam #1
    Carrie CC did not chart.

    Way to go to all the Idols and their continued to doing well on the VH1. I’m happy for all of them for doing so.

  62. “Jim c. lost points in my book for raising this issue of people leaving”

    LOL…More and more of a certain fanbase are suddenly leaving ALL of the top Idol sites and commentators behind because they write what they see and know what has been going on for months?

    LOL…pretty soon a certain fanbase will be only hanging out on their own fansites.

  63. Were there a few ott fans who left to somehow “diss kris”. Probably. If adam had gone last would some kris fans have left to “diss adam” probably

    Unknown factor and a just a guess. “Probably” is not a “did”.

  64. Kris:
    http://twitpic.com/12zsbq

    Funny!!!

    And lets be honest, why should anyone feel obligated to another fanbase and sit through a performance they won’t enjoy? If you’re just going to be disgusted, or bored, or disinterested in a performance, give yourself and those around you a break and leave instead of bringing others down. People are at these events for their own personal enjoyment, not to get credit for a class or job.

    HermeticallySealed, I don’t agree with you. If you like only one or 2 acts of a free show of 3 (meant to celebrate with all of them), you can just let others who appreciate the 3 artists featured get the said tickets. Those should just wait to see their favorite in a solo concert. It’s just RUDE behavior to walk out when the show is not over.

  65. Since when does a 28 yo single guy being (possibly) drunk in a bar in NYC late on a friday night warrant comment

    When he became the “party-boy celebrity” that he seems to have become. If he is in public, (as all the idols) then he is fodder for the press or in this case the twitter world.

  66. And lets be honest, why should anyone feel obligated to another fanbase and sit through a performance they won’t enjoy? If you’re just going to be disgusted, or bored, or disinterested in a performance, give yourself and those around you a break and leave instead of bringing others down. People are at these events for their own personal enjoyment, not to get credit for a class or job.

    Why that is exactly what Jim C. was writing about. Now those saying Jim is wrong and “making this up”…well here is your proof.

    It’s about “being civil” to another singer, and that is why fan wars continue.

  67. I recall during the AI tour some fans saying they were going to use Adam’s set to go to the bathroom and get drinks. Really, it’s not that big of a deal. It sounds like a very small percentage of people left for a variety of reasons. I know Kris won AI, but that doesn’t mean people have to like him best. It sounds like he put on a terrific show and the 95 percent of the crowd that remained were lucky to see it and the awesome encore of Crazy.

  68. and I bet dollars to donuts that in any comment section of ANY article about the concert will have some remark about how great Adam and how terrible or boring Kris was…in the same paragraph

    Have you seen the type of vile, disgusting, hateful comments are written in the vast majority of articles about Adam?

  69. Tickets for some of the concerts, with Danny,Sugarland and Jake Owens are starting to go on sale. There were tickets that went on sale this morning for a concert in Camden, NJ and they are selling fast.

    I had read that all they have now available is seats for the last few rows in the back of the venue and lawn seats. I am glad that this concert is selling tickets fast.

    I hope that concerts for other venues for this tour are the same way. It would be great to see a lot of the concerts, sell out or almost sell out. That would be a lot of new people getting exposed to Danny’s music.

    I just hope that Danny fans are able to get some decent/good seats, without having to spend a really large amount of money for them.

    I think that people like Sugarland’s fanbases and Jake Owen’s fanbases learned about the pre-sales earlier so they were among the first people to buy tickets.

    It would be nice if there was more information about when tickets are going on sale for different venues on Danny’s official site.

    Maybe that type of information will be posted later on up there. If you’re a Danny fan and you want to go to one of these concerts on tour, you just have to kind of be on the lookout for when tickets go on sale in your area. So you can end up with some decent seats, and good prices.

  70. I recall during the AI tour some fans saying they were going to use Adam’s set to go to the bathroom and get drinks. Really, it’s not that big of a deal. It sounds like a very small percentage of people left for a variety of reasons. I know Kris won AI, but that doesn’t mean people have to like him best.

    I went to one of the concerts and Glamberts were BOOING Kris’s face every time it appeared on screen. I mean really actually booing out loud, like idiots. I was shocked at the stupidity and these were adults. Then during his set many got up and left or sat there with their arms folded with sour pusses. They acted like Kris murdered a puppy.

    You don’t have to like someone, but you don’t have to be uncivil and ignorant to them if they never did anything to you.

  71. If Adam had went last and some of Kris fans had left before his set, it wouldn’t had mattered. The reason, is that the bigger story would have been about the number of Adam fans fighting to get their empty seat.

  72. Listen, every fanbase does tacky things. Was some Adam fans leaving during Kris’s set tacky? Yes. Was Jim twittering it tacky? Yes. Are Adam fans who post negative comments about Kris in comments sections tacky? Yes. As well as Kris fans doing the same for Adam? Yes. No fanbase should act squicky clean, because no fanbase is. Personally, I found the hordes of people complaining (including our very own media man Jim C.) after Kara’s little “comparision” the other night incredibly tacky, but ya know, I guess it’s which perspective you’re coming from.

    It made me admire him for being strong enough to have to deal with the REAL hatred that has been going on for months now.

    Both these guys have been dealing with hatred, so props to both of them. I’d say Adam’s is even worse to some degree, in a way that Kris, thankfully, will always be free of.

  73. You don’t have to like someone, but you don’t have to be uncivil and ignorant to them if they never did anything to you

    ITA-My only issue is that there is an impression that only Adam fans behave that way. I’ve seen enough negative posts about Adam to know that it cuts both ways. I don’t think there is any argument that there are OTT fans. My point is that there are poorly behaved fans in all groups. I also think this “exodus” during Kris’s set was blown way out of proportion.

  74. It’s about “being civil” to another singer, and that is why fan wars continue.

    Well, in fairness, making generalizations about someone’s fans also serves to fuel the fan wars. Online fans represent a small percentage of fans in general. So, it’s not like their behavior could be reflective of an entire “fanbase” (whatever the hell that is). Also, most fans don’t call themselves something stupid like “glamberts”, so referring to all of Adam’s fans in that fashion is somewhat of a misnomer.

    Clearly some fans exhibited rude behavior, and tweeted some stupid stuff, but it’s not like they’re representative of everyone else.

    What’s most hilarious to me, is that all of the crap people seemed to tweet about last night’s event didn’t really match up with what I saw in the (seriously excellent) videos in the Kris, Allison & Adam threads.

  75. Have you seen the type of vile, disgusting, hateful comments are written in the vast majority of articles about Adam?

    For every action…there is a re-action.

    I actually know someone who posts some of those “remarks” from another board and they are doing it because of the nasty remarks that were posted on Kris’s articles. They noticed a couple of weeks after the nasty remarks on Kris’s articles appeared and started to do the same…YOU SEE FOR EVERY NASTY ACTION…THERE IS A RE-ACTION.

  76. «When I mentioned the voting, I was referring to the fact that NY didn’t overtake Arkansas until Adam tweeted for people to vote for NY, and suddenly in the matter of two hours NY made up a deficit of 2000 votes. Based on that, it was a good bet that the audience was going to be full of people who’s main objective was that the concert not be held in Arkansas. If that was people’s main reason for voting, it was clear that they were going to go out of their way to try to be rude towards Kris.»

    «delurks»
    I”m sorry but I don’t think that’s true. IIRC, Adam’s «I love NY!» was tweeted a day before the voting closed, and New York had had the lead for a few weeks prior to that. TBH, I think Kris and mama Allen’s involvement did more for NY, as it seemed to anger some people. And it’s not only the bitter Glamberts who were rooting for the Big Apple: Gossip Candy is a big Kris/Kradam fan and her website was pushing for NY because it was «a neutral ground» for all 3.
    That said, this whole concert has been tainted by childish fanwars from the beginning. I wish people had only voted for their city. And I wish only fans of the 3 had gone to the concert. But let’s be real: it was free, so it’s not surprising some fans tried to go only for their fave. Oh, and I saw some tweets by Kris fans who obviously dislike Adam. Would have they left if Adam had gone last? We’ll never know. But some people would have left regardless who was performing last, because of a last train to catch, a tired teen who wanted to go home… (All legit reasons I saw some Adam’s fans give.) And let’s not forget atl least 3 persons fainted! It seemed very hot there.
    Now if some fans decided to leave before Kris set because of spite, it’s petty, and I disaproove. But it’s probably a small number, and for both Adam and Kris sake, we shouldn’t make a big deal out of it.
    Sorry for the long rant!

  77. You don’t have to like someone, but you don’t have to be uncivil and ignorant to them if they never did anything to you.

    Interesting quote on an AI blogsite where many many comments are extremely derogatory to “unfavorite” idols. Why should the real world have to be different than the internet world.

  78. Both these guys have been dealing with hatred, so props to both of them. I’d say Adam’s is even worse to some degree, in a way that Kris, thankfully, will always be free of.

    oh…because he is gay. I can tell you this…most of the nastiest remarks against Adam has been by GAYS.

    In fact the worst ones have been by gay guys.

    …and I am gay also.

  79. I actually know someone who posts some of those “remarks” from another board and they are doing it because of the nasty remarks that were posted on Kris’s articles. They noticed a couple of weeks after the nasty remarks on Kris’s articles appeared and started to do the same…YOU SEE FOR EVERY NASTY ACTION…THERE IS A RE-ACTION.

    Okay, that’s ridiculous.

    I get your point here tinydance – Adam’s fans are horrible people relentlessly torturing poor, victimized Kris, and they suck. And, Kris’s fans have only exhibited any bad behavior in retaliation, because they’re awesome. I just don’t agree with the point. I see good and bad fan behavior from all sides, and I don’t believe anyone is holding the moral high ground here.

  80. Well I have to go, but at least this was a decent conversations about what is going on and about the stupid fan wars.

    For every action…there is a re-action.

  81. Wow. I have left many many concerts before the end for a whole host of reasons (headaches, traffic, babysitter issues, boredom, bad weather, train schedules). I never considered my actions to be disrespectful to the artist (nor were they intended to be)nor was I aware that the price of entry to the show was to be held captive until it ended less I ruffle someones feathers.

  82. Tickets for some of the concerts, with Danny,Sugarland and Jake Owens are starting to go on sale. There were tickets that went on sale this morning for a concert in Camden, NJ and they are selling fast.

    I had read that all they have now available is seats for the last few rows in the back of the venue and lawn seats. I am glad that this concert is selling tickets fast.

    I hope that concerts for other venues for this tour are the same way. It would be great to see a lot of the concerts, sell out or almost sell out. That would be a lot of new people getting exposed to Danny’s music.

    I just hope that Danny fans are able to get some decent/good seats, without having to spend a really large amount of money for them.

    I saw that, starting to have the same concern — though for Danny it’s a great problem to have that he’s on such a hot-selling tour.

    Watching GAC this morning, nice to see Kellie, Danny and now Carrie on the top 4 of their countdown. [ And Bucky C was in the top 20 for anyone who is a fan of his. Not me, seems like he is singing with his hair half the time, lol. I know not really, but it looks that way sometimes ;) ]

    Was sweet to see Danny tweeting yesterday about how much he appreciates his fans. Suspect he got some advance wind how well he had done in the fan-voted countdowns. He must been very happy to be #3 at GAC and #1 at CMT Pure so quickly with his first music video. Looking at comments left at the GAC site, seems Danny may share a lot of fans with Carrie and that Carrie, Danny and Kellie are all very popular there.

  83. Really hope this is a girls year, much less drama between fanbases.

  84. I think if a girl wins there will not be any of this problem, UNLESS the girl beats the guy.

    :)

  85. tinydance:

    I think if a girl wins there will not be any of this problem, UNLESS the girl beats the guy.

    :)

    Totally.

  86. Mtlfan:
    02/13/2010 at 11:38 am
    Jim c. lost points in my book for raising this issue of people leaving. what’s a sizable amount of a crowd of 300? 10, 20, 50, 100?

    Of the footage i saw of crazy, seems to me the room was quite full so I tend to think it might be in the order of 10-20.

    Why the mention of this impolite behavior (because it is, unless you’ve got no choice to do so) that would just stirs shit? Let’s not forget that Jim C. is media and controversy is the nature of the beast.
    It’s supposed to be a fun reunion and I object to stuff ruining the spirit of it

    I loved this comment. tinydance,I don´t think Mtlfan is an Adam fan (I might be wrong).

    I think Jim C. started a stupid fanwar, and he should have kept his mouth shut. If he hadn’t said anything about people leaving after Adam’s set, nobody would notice or even care. My guess is that not that many people left, and I don’t think Kris gave a shit. Jim’s bias against Adam fans is well known (his unfunny caracter Glambert696969 is a proof of that), as is his defensiveness when it comes to his boy Kris. Peope should be able to leave any concert any time they want. For those that left last night’s concert, it was their loss.

    And for Adam fans attacking Kris Allen on-line, for heaven sakes, all the Idols get attacked, not just Kris Allen. Adam is probaby the most attacked and criticized Idol from season 8. Kris fans attack Adam a lot. And they can be pretty vicious. That doesn’t mean all Adam or Kris fans are bitter people, out to get the other guy 24/7. A lot of people like them both, even when they are not hardcore fans of both (me!).

  87. Loved Idolatry, favorite of the season, Kristen’s PSA was hilarious.

  88. I agree it isn’t a big deal people left. If I went for Adam and didn’t care for Kris, why the hell would I stay? I’ve stormed out of places for way less lol

  89. Listen, every fanbase does tacky things. Was some Adam fans leaving during Kris’s set tacky?

    They didn’t leave during Kris’s set. They left during the break….Big difference. Kris didn’t know that they were there and he didn’t know that they had left.

  90. Valentin432:
    02/13/2010 at 12:30 pm
    “Really hope this is a girls year, much less drama between fanbases”

    I am not worrying about this year, finally after 8 seasons of American Idol, I finally found one, that I absolutely think is terrific and interesting. With Randy saying it’s the “year of the girls”, probably a guy will win.

  91. Brian quoted Jim C in Idol Chatter.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2010/02/kradison-rocks-nycs-highline-ballroom/1

    Cantiello also noted that a sizable group of people left immediately after Adam’s set (“an odd and unfortunate gesture considering the amount of ‘Idol’ fans who were shut out from winning tickets and love all the performers”) and, therefore, missed the encore, which found Adam and Allison rejoining Kris onstage to sing Gnarls Barkley’s Crazy, which Cantiello called “an epic collaboration that played like a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame jam session: ‘Idol’ edition.”

  92. Wow, new site! This is going to take a minute to get used to. Yay!

  93. I think that it would be better if Jim C. and Lyndsey Parker had simply not mentioned the fact that some people left after Adam’s set, because that just further fans the flames of the fan warring. Especially since these people could have had lots of other reasons for leaving other than the fact they don’t like Kris and/or his music. Unfortunately, there are a small percentage of Adam’s fans who hate Kris and have made it their business to constatntly attack him in the comments sections of articles and disrespect him by booing him or deliberately walking ut on his set. However, this is a very SMALL percentage of Adam’s fans and shouldn’t taint his overall fanbase. Likewise, there is a small percentage of Kris fans who hate Adam and have made it their business to attack him in print, often with hateful anti-gay slurs. Again, these people make up just a very SMALL percentage of Kris’s fans and their actions shouldn’t taint the overall fanbase.

    The saddest part is that the majority of these idiots are adults, often middle-aged adults, who should know better than to act in such juvenile, hateful ways. It makes them look like spiteful idiots and it certainly does nothing to help either Adam or Kris. I’m confident that neither of these guys would want anything to do with people like this if they could avoid it. Last night proved — AGAIN — just how much Adam and Kris love each other and how much they support each other. Yet this small group of bitter fans on both sides seem blind to that fact. They seem to think that their favorite’s success or failure is tied to the other person’s success or failure. Which is complete and utter hooey. Whether Adam or Kris succeeds or fails as a solo artist has NOTHING to do with the other guy’s success or failure. I’m stunned that some people fail to comprehend this. Although I probably shouldn’t be, since it seems to pop up every year among Idol fans. I somehow doubt fans of someone like John Mayer waste their time hating on someone like Lady Gaga (and vice versa)…

    PS – Thanks to everyone who took videos of the fantastic Kradison concert. I wish I could have been there.

    PPS – Congrats to Adam (at #1) and Kris (at #3) for remaining at the top of the VH1 countdown. Right now they sit at #17 (LLWD) and #26 (WWFM) o the iTunes chart

  94. They didn’t leave during Kris’s set. They left during the break….Big difference. Kris didn’t know that they were there and he didn’t know that they had left.

    Actually you make a good point. Still tacky they left and tweeted they were going to do so just to “stick it” to Kris or whatever, but I guess I can understand if you really have no interest in a performer and have to wait 20 minutes just for some music to start again–music you’re not interested in hearing to begin with–then you just leave the concert. I mean, that’s another, what? Hour of music? If Kris came onstage seconds after Adam ended, then it’d be way douchey of those Adam fans.

  95. Kris has cracked the Top 5 on the Hot AC chart in today’s update (which doesn’t necessarily mean he will be in Top 5 when the official chart for the week is released). But it’s still exciting!!!

    POP:
    17 16 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 4218 3884 334 25.725
    +40 Spins
    -4 Bullet
    +0.139 AI

    HAC:
    8 5 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 3046 2897 149 15.127
    +14 Spins
    +6 Bullet
    +0.088 AI

    Meanwhile, Adam has cracked the Top 20 on today’s Pop chart update (again, doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll do so on the official chart when it’s released). More exciting news!!!

    POP:
    22 20 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 3557 2882 675 24.289
    +102 Spins
    +84 Bullet
    +0.566 AI

    HAC:
    27 24 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 822 616 206 3.754
    +22 Spins
    +3 Bullet
    +0.240 AI

    Go boys go!!!

    EDIT:

    66 62 ALLISON IRAHETA Friday I’ll Be Over U 232 235 -3 0.594

  96. I don’t understand people blaming Jim C for mentioning that people left the concert before Kris’ set. Did it happen? Yes. Why is it tacky to mention it if it did? Because it makes a certain fanbase look bad? Why the eff is it his job to whitewash those fans’ tardism? Because it stirs up the fanwars pot? Why the eff is it his job to stop the fanwars. It happened! Of that there is no doubt. Sounds a lot like blaming the messenger to me.

    Anyway, people’s rude and tacky behavior is their own rude and tacky behavior. It is not an attack on you personally because someone who admires the same person you do does something stupid and someone else reports on it.

  97. iTunes album chart:

    #87 Kris Allen
    #116/#244 FYE

    (Danny’s album is not in Top 1000; neither is Allison’s)

  98. I have only watched American Idol for part of season 7 and part of season 8. These fan wars to me are ridiculous. I am an Adam fan, and if I should be so lucky as to attend a Kradison concert, I would have stayed for the entire thing, if possible. I have been in a wheelchair for several years and am now about to get out of it, thanks to some upcoming surgery. I wouldnt take going to a concert like that for granted. Just to be able to actually walk, attend and enjoy something like that is something I am looking forward to doing. Sometimes the ability to appreciate what one is able to do and enjoy gets lost in the picture with all this craziness.

    Not being a long time watcher of Idol, I dont know a lot about the history of fan wars. From things I have read, it seems that Kris, Adam and Danny have all had a lot of enmity thrown their way, each for different reasons. I think part of what fuels the Adam fan base is the persistent rumors of “supposed” cheating that went on in Arkansas during the finale. It has come to my attention that someone is writing a book about it, even. But maybe this bashing would be happening even if none of this ever came up, and maybe the same things come up every year. Those of you who are long time watchers of AI would know more about this than I.

    So from my vantage point, I encourage everyone to forget about fan wars and appreciate what you are given: the ability to see, hear, and participate in the careers of talented and personable entertainers.

  99. OMG. Thank God these three very talented artists will likely never have to share a stage again.

    On another note, congrats to Kris for Top 5 HAC & moving up to #16 on Pop, and to Adam for reaching the Top 20 on Pop. At least the radio charts are accepting of different styles of artists.

  100. I don’t understand people blaming Jim C for mentioning that people left the concert before Kris’ set. Did it happen? Yes. Why is it tacky to mention it if it did? Because it makes a certain fanbase look bad? Why the eff is it his job to whitewash those fans’ tardism? Because it stirs up the fanwars pot? Why the eff is it his job to stop the fanwars. It happened! Of that there is no doubt. Sounds a lot like blaming the messenger to me.

    Yes, this. Jim C is not responsible for grown ass people fanwarring on the internet. I’m sure his job description doesn’t read “avoid fanbase butthurt” LOL. He’s a reporter/blogger working the idol beat for MTV, he reports what he wants when it comes to Idol and its alumni. There is no way to be an Idol blogger and avoid pissing off Idol fans of one stripe or another anyway. Everything you say will be ruthlessly over-analyzed and picked apart. He’s not supposed to be PC to the point of only having neutral, non offensive opinions. That would be boring as hell IMO. This is not his problem or his fault to me.

  101. Very nice writeup on Danny’s single just appeared —

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61B5CF20100212

    ARTIST: DANNY GOKEY

    SINGLE: MY BEST DAYS ARE AHEAD OF ME (19/RCA Records)

    Danny Gokey placed third on the 2009 season of “American Idol” and inked a deal in Nashville to pursue a country music career. He’s off to a great start with this buoyant single that showcases his strong, soulful voice and upbeat persona. Written by veteran Music Row writers Marv Green and Kent Blazy, “My Best Days Are Ahead of Me” is so far the feel-good country song of 2010, with its soaring melody, sing-along chorus and positive message. As “Idol” viewers know, Gokey’s wife died shortly before the 29-year-old artist’s audition for the show, and he infuses this song with an emotional weight generally rare in one so young. His performance teems with vulnerability, hope, strength and resiliency. It’s a perfect marriage of artist and song that should serve as a strong launch pad for this talented “Idol” alum.

  102. thanks girlygirl for the numbers. Hope it sticks for Kris… it’s very exciting :)

  103. OMG. Thank God these three very talented artists will likely never have to share a stage again.

    And people thought Danny fans should be upset he wasn’t there, ha. It is a shame though to see the acrimony that seemed to get associated to the concert last night. Hopefully most of that is just online stuff, and people there in person had a great time along with the performers themselves.

  104. Did the crowd really empty out, though? People move around during intermissions all the time, and a small number are going to leave a concert early, for whatever reason. I feel like it was only mentioned in this case because Idol journalists were on the lookout for these infamous (according to Twitter) walkouts before Kris’s set begins. They’re sensitive to the whole topic and made note of it in a way they never would have (IMO) if they’d seen the exact same behavior at a jingle ball event. So that is where I think people are annoyed with Lyndsey Parker and Jim Cantiello for bringing up the issue.

  105. Why would anybody would *want* to leave is beyond me. I’m a Kris fan, and indifferent to Adam. Yet if I was there for Kris, and Adam was next, I would totally stick around. Maybe he could convince me to buy his album y’know? Why wouldn’t people want to give Kris a chance? Maybe they had a curfew, I don’t know. LOL

  106. I hate the reworked “We Are the World”. Hate. it.

    Carrie’s “Temporary Home” is close to becoming my favorite song right now.

    I would give anything to get to see Fantasia in ‘The Color Purple”. I think she was born to play this role.

    And I would like just once to be part of a dancing flash mob. I may have to get up my own. Hmmm…..

  107. I don’t think Jim C. has to censor himself at all, and agreed that would be boring. But it could be said that he has a bias. He does, it’s fine, he’s human. He has preferences and such and indeed, that’s part of what makes his blog and interviews fun, because he has a point of view and gives voice to it, and is funny while doing so. Well most of the time. But no one is funny ALL the time, not even my Jon and Stephen.

    So if he wanted to include some Adam fans leaving, I’m sure they did, there no doubt some Adam fans who were dicktards about it on Twitter. Okay, but according to most other people who were there, and not just Adam fans, but Kris or Kradam fans, the number of people who actually left, was very small. Though some people might have moved to the back, to sit down, get a few drinks, go to the washroom, make room for Kris fans to get upfront. Or maybe they did leave, but not because they hated Kris, but because some people waited for hours in the cold, then after two hours in a club in standing room only, getting jostled and squished, wanted to get the hell out. There is no way to know the motivation of every person, of the few that really did, who left.

    So I can see being peeved at Jim at what some perceive as exaggerating something, and going out of this way to do so. So not only bad reporting, but why include it, when the facts/reporting don’t really support such a contentious item?

    On the other hand, I get Jim’s being pissed at some asshat Adam fans, I know I get that way. I get that way about asshat Kris fans as well. There were several people on the the ontd_ai Twitterfeed I wanted to cyber punch in the throat, and some were Kris, some were Adam, some were Allison fans. Eh. That’s fine. But calling out just one group alone, yeah, I can see not feeling it. But that’s me. Jim makes his own decisions and that’s cool. Besides that one small bit, I really liked his write-up and I liked his even-handedness. Oh and I even agreed that leaving for Kris was not cool for those that did it just to diss Kris, because they were puh-lenty of fans of all three that would have killed to go. But last laugh was on them, they missed a really cool set of Kris’s and a wonderfully fun and joyous Kradison doing Crazy.

  108. Meanwhile, Adam has cracked the Top 20 on today’s Pop chart update (again, doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll do so on the official chart when it’s released). More exciting news!!!

    Ehh, WWFM has been in top20 since last monday,even on #19 for a while… this is not the first day this has happened.

    ETA: And I totally agree Truthiness. All fan reviews of the concert has said there were only a small amount of people leaving after Kris set. Why make it into something it wasn’t?

  109. rayni:
    02/13/2010 at 2:11 pm
    I hate the reworked “We Are the World”. Hate. it.

    It just came on CMT Pure. Umm, yeah :o

  110. I just checked into tickets for Danny G. on tour with Sugarland. Prices at the city I was looking at were $50 and $40, plus fees. (The fees amounted to around $17) The interesting thing is that Sugarland offers Silver VIP passes for $315. That would include prime seats (when I searched I could have got row 5 floor) a VIP pre-concert party, 1 year membership in Sugarland’s fan club, $50 in Sugarland merchandise, and more. There are also tickets that include admittance to Soundcheck & concert for $465. Wow, that’s a lot of money.

  111. So I can see being peeved at Jim at what some perceive as exaggerating something, and going out of this way to do so. So not only bad reporting, but why include it, when the facts/reporting don’t really support such a contentious item?

    I get what you are saying, I do. But to me, there is a lot of conjecture there. “going out of his way” to “exaggerate” implies all kinds of things. What he actually said was that a “significant” amount of people left after Adam’s set and he thought those people missed out on a great show. Perhaps the amount of people he saw leave, from his vantage point, WAS significant to him. Maybe he’s not exaggerating anything. Maybe he’s just calling it how he sees it. His intention very well may have been just to chastise those particular fans, and not anything else.

    The problem to me is that people are reading his words through the “Jim hates Adam” lens. And assigning motive because of it. Which is why I don’t think he did anything wrong, because there is not an AI blogger alive that does not have one fanbase or another that is convinced that said blogger hates their favorite, whether the blogger actually does or not. So what are they supposed to do? Pick and choose their words carefully so as not to piss off some extra passionate internet types? Or just do their jobs and let people take what they want from it?

  112. The problem to me is that people are reading his words through the “Jim hates Adam” lens.

    I am not reading it through the “Jim hates Adam lens”, I am reading it through the “Jim really likes Kris Allen lens”. I think he focuses too much on these things, like he has to chastise the few who don’t treat his favourite well. To me, his reportings is that of a fan.

  113. iTunes album chart:

    #87 Kris Allen
    #116/#244 FYE

    (Danny’s album is not in Top 1000; neither is Allison’s)

    In the version of Itunes I downloaded, Danny’s album is ranked #173 on the overall album chart, and #18 on the country albums chart. He’s been in the Top 200 albums since at least Wednesday. The highest, I have heard his album being ranked was #101 and that was after Ryan had mentioned his name/showed a couple of clips of him on AI.

    I did look at the RSS feed for The top 300 albums and he wasn’t up there but maybe that list doesn’t include pre-orders?

  114. Oh also about the fans leaving, maybe they were going out to get some fresh air between sets.I know I used to do that at clubs during the winter, and it was supposed to be really hot in the club, and I can tell you, a bit of that fresh/cold air feels soooo good after you’ve gotten all hot and sweaty from dancing and/or being squished up against people for hours. I mean there were people literally fainting. 3 of them during Adam’s set alone. While I’m sure the ~excitement, had something to do with it, it probably had more to do with it being hot and crowded. So maybe they left the show, or maybe they just got some air and came back, but went to the back to sit down.

    Who knows? Eh.

    But yes, if Jim felt he knew and wanted to report on it, that’s cool. I just don’t know that I felt that what he felt was all that accurate based on the fans accounts of others, who liked Kris and Kradam and would have cut a bitch if they really felt that was happening, but didn’t. But no, Jim shouldn’t worry about fans thinking he hates Adam. I know I don’t think so. Just that he’s protective of Kris. Which I get.

  115. In the version of Itunes I downloaded, Danny’s album is ranked #173 on the overall album chart, and #18 on the country albums chart. He’s been in the Top 200 albums since at least Wednesday. The highest, I have heard his album being ranked was #101 and that was after Ryan had mentioned his name/showed a couple of clips of him on AI.

    Glad to hear Danny’s album presales are doing respectably at iTunes. I think I saw he got up to #11 on the iTunes country albums chart at one point, and his music video broke into the top 10 somewhere.

  116. I think I saw he got up to #11 on the iTunes country albums chart at one point, and his music video broke into the top 10 somewhere.

    I’ve saw when he got to #11 on the Itunes country album chart as well. And the highest I saw his video ranked was #8 on the country music video charts on Itunes. I am glad that he got a boost in sales from the AI mentions on Wednesday.

  117. Jx223

    Danny’s album wasn’t on the Top 1000 when I checked my feed.

    Checking again to see if I missed it somehow…

    …nope, it’s not in the Top 1000. The album at #123 is one by Patti Griffin.

    Maybe this feed doesn’t include pre-orders? IDK…I’m just glad I didn’t accidentally leave Danny off if his album had been on my feed.

  118. I am not reading it through the “Jim hates Adam lens”, I am reading it through the “Jim really likes Kris Allen lens”. I think he focuses too much on these things, like he has to chastise the few who don’t treat his favourite well.

    Well, since Lyndsey Parker also noted that “some” people “foolishly left” after Adam’s set, then I think there WAS something to Jim C’s observation that was worth noting — other than just Jim focusing too much on “these things.” By her own admission and her coverage of the Idols, Lyndsey is HUGE Adam fan, so I don’t think she was being oversensitive for Kris when she noted this in her write-up.

    Jim said a “sizeable” group of fans left whereas Lyndsey said “some” fans left early. Either way, it was enough to be noticeable and a perfectly legit thing to note in their articles, without one or the other being accused of being oversensitive on Kris’ behalf. If anyone’s being oversensitive, it’s probably us AI fans who dissect articles like these for every small sign of bias against our guy or, in this case, our particular fandom’s rep.

  119. Jx223

    Danny’s album wasn’t on the Top 1000 when I checked my feed.

    Checking again to see if I missed it somehow…

    I had saw a RSS feed generated by Itunes, with the Top 300 albums up there, but Danny wasn’t up there. And that list didn’t have the albums numbered either.

    But on my downloaded versions of Itunes, when I click under the albums sections, he’s up there as #173 and #18 on the Country albums chart. I see Kris’s album as #89 and Adam’s as #118 on that version of Itunes.

  120. 02/13/2010 at 2:10 pm
    Why would anybody would *want* to leave is beyond me. I’m a Kris fan, and indifferent to Adam. Yet if I was there for Kris, and Adam was next, I would totally stick around. Maybe he could convince me to buy his album y’know? Why wouldn’t people want to give Kris a chance? Maybe they had a curfew, I don’t know. LOL

    From what I have been reading these are some of the reasons. People had been standing in the cold for hours. They were an hour and 15 minutes late letting people in so they got into the place after Allison’s set had started. It was deadly hot inside (3 people fainted). There weren’t very many seats available. (Bet you Jim had one). The ones that left were tired, didn’t feel well, because the concert started late, some had to get home because of babysitters or the last bus was leaving the terminal and if they had stayed to watch Kris they would have missed their bus. It is unreasonable to believe that the 20 or 30 who did leave just were out to diss Kris. It sounds like they left because of their “own” problems.

  121. I am not reading it through the “Jim hates Adam lens”, I am reading it through the “Jim really likes Kris Allen lens”.

    Its the same thing to me. You’ve decided he has a stance, you read his words as if your assumption about his preferences is 1. correct and 2. coloring this particular account of events. Which is your right. My point is Jim IMO is not “wrong” because some people might interpret what he says one way or another. His job is to tell his impression of what he sees, how you take it is your issue.

    Oh also about the fans leaving, maybe they were going out to get some fresh air between sets.

    Sure, why not? Could be.

    I just don’t know that I felt that what he felt was all that accurate based on the fans accounts of others,

    Maybe. But there is no accurate here IMO. Its all impressions. One person’s significant is anther person’s trivial. Plus, in a crowded club, things can look different from multiple vantage points. The only way to know how many people left is to stand at the exit and count. Which I don’t think anyone did. Heh. So everyone is giving their impression here, and Jim is not any different.

  122. Well, since Lyndsey Parker also noted that “some” people “foolishly left” after Adam’s set, then I think there WAS something to Jim C’s observation that was worth noting — other than just Jim focusing too much on “these things.” By her own admission and her coverage of the Idols, Lyndsey is HUGE Adam fan, so I don’t think she was being oversensitive for Kris when she noted this in her write-up.

    Jim said a “sizeable” group of fans left whereas Lyndsey said “some” fans left early. Either way, it was enough to be noticeable and a perfectly legit thing to note in their articles, without one or the other being accused of being oversensitive on Kris’ behalf. If anyone’s being oversensitive, it’s probably us AI fans who dissect articles like these for every small sign of bias against our guy or, in this case, our particular fandom’s rep.

    I don’t know. One concertgoer spoke to Jim, Slezak and Lyndsey just before the show and they apparently expressed worry about Kris being treated fairly by Adam fans (?), like they already made up their minds that something would happen. I think it’s a case of them being over sensititve over this.

    I am more trusting fan reports on this, because it seems the bloggers came with preconcieved ideas of what was going to happen.

  123. does anyone have video of adam being presented with the z100 award?

  124. I,for one, hope these three “family” members perform together whenever they can make it happen.

    adamlambert I LOVE NEW YORK! Thanks to everyone who made it to the Highline Ballroom show last night! The band and I had a great time!
    NEW YORK!!! ahhh u guys were amazing… had fun with ma boys @KrisAllen and @adamlambert .. Thanks again for being awesome..
    about 15 hours ago from Echofon
    Thanks to everyone who came out to highline ballroom last night. Had an awesome time with @adamlambert and @AllisonIraheta
    about 7 hours ago from Echofon

  125. I am more trusting fan reports on this, because it seems the bloggers came with preconcieved ideas of what was going to happen.

    Yes, fans are always so unbiased. It’s their job too, I’ve heard. Oh AI fandom, you’re a funny bird.

  126. Just in case anyone is interested. got this via twitter
    benhoneycutt Vid blog later tonight. I wanna fill you guys in on my goals and plans for 2010. The Idol journey may be over, but this one’s just starting!

  127. Yes, fans are always so unbiased. It’s their job too, I’ve heard.

    I think we’re all biased, job or not. All I am saying is that from the recaps I have read most concert goers didn’t notice a lot of people leaving. And maybe that was because they were not looking for it and that it was only noticable if you were looking for it? But I agree that maybe that was fan biased reporting.

  128. From what I have been reading these are some of the reasons. People had been standing in the cold for hours. They were an hour and 15 minutes late letting people in so they got into the place after Allison’s set had started. It was deadly hot inside (3 people fainted). There weren’t very many seats available. (Bet you Jim had one). The ones that left were tired, didn’t feel well, because the concert started late, some had to get home because of babysitters or the last bus was leaving the terminal and if they had stayed to watch Kris they would have missed their bus. It is unreasonable to believe that the 20 or 30 who did leave just were out to diss Kris. It sounds like they left because of their “own” problems.

    Hee, hee, I’ve been wanting to use this new cool backquote.

    Anyway, are the reviews you’re reading from Kris or Adam or Allison fans? Also, if they are from Adam (or Allison) fans, would have they left early due to these reasons if Adam or Allison had gone last?

    I really am fine with the fact that they left and it’s truly no big deal to me tbh, but Jim did have a point that some fans that may have wanted to see all three of them may have missed out on tickets to those who only stayed for two, or may have come late for that matter.

  129. Looks like Megan may put out a new song on her myspace today. I liked the other ones, hope she’s got some kind of deal in the works for her music. Don’t think anyone’s heard since she was tweeting about playing her songs for Warner at one point last month?

    Today, February 13, 2010, 1 hour ago
    Meganjoysings: ps….. maybe Im going to give you a new song today.

  130. Do we consider a song cracking, let’s say top10, only if it’s officially in top10 on the published sunday chart, or if they ever had that position?

  131. Appears Danny will be performing March 21st at the Winterblast concert in Hampton VA.

    http://www.hampton.gov/coliseum/event_details.aspx?event=4

    Headlining the third annual Winterblast festival will be Grammy-Award nominated American country music artist, Jake Owen. Joining Jake will be 2009 American Idol finalist and RCA-Nashville artist, Danny Gokey, MCA-Nashville’s Mallary Hope, Universal-Nashville’s Easton Corbin, Big Machine’s Steel Magnolia, JUST ADDED … Lyric Street’s Love & Theft and 2009 Colgate Country Showdown Winner, Dave Cynar.

  132. Dancing Flash Mob Surprises Ryan & His Mom

    I love flash mobs so I was interested in seeing this, but the video isn’t loading for me in either Firefox or IE.

  133. I don’t think pre-orders are ever reported on RSS feeds. They are reported on the iTunes store site – but that only goes to 100. I see Danny G now at #18 on Top Country albums on iTunes. It is just ahead of Unstoppable by Rascal Flatts. In RSS feed, Unstoppable is at #184 – so that would indicate that Danny G is now higher than #184 on iTunes.

  134. I can’t afford tickets to see Danny with Sugarland, but I’m happy to sacrifice being in the same room with him for a few hours if his playing with as big an act as Sugarland gives him the chance of a lifetime to make it as big as Carrie or Daughtry.

    Carrie and Daughtry became as huge as they did in large part because they weren’t sent to tour solo right out of the gate. This was David Cook’s biggest problem. By touring solo right away, he hasn’t had that much of a chance to increase his fanbase from those who were already fans of his on Idol–and RCA’s choices for his two singles and not releasing another single from his first album hasn’t helped. Good thing David doesn’t seem to care that much about filling arenas. He seems happy to plod along playing small venues and doing what he likes doing.

    As far as Danny is concerned, he is much better off opening for a larger act. At first most people to attend the concerts will be Sugarland fans, but as Danny proved on the summer tour, people are going to love his set. He’s a great live performer. Soon he will gain new fans from Sugarland’s fanbase (and country fans in general) and his appearance on AI9 around the time his album is released is going to be a huge boon for his career. There was an uptick in sales of MBD just following the brief mention of him on AI last week, so if even such a small thing can hve an impact, I can only imagine what some real promotion will do. The rollout of Danny began slowly and quietly but now it’s gaining momentum. RCA’s marketing of him is brilliant, and I predict he’s going to be the biggest success story from season 8.

  135. I see Danny G now at #18 on Top Country albums on iTunes. It is just ahead of Unstoppable by Rascal Flatts. In RSS feed, Unstoppable is at #184 – so that would indicate that Danny G is now higher than #184 on iTunes.

    Good for Danny, though I wonder how he’d feel to know he’s edging out Rascal Flatts. They are pretty much his heroes as far as country groups go ;)

  136. Oh dear, if peeps are upset with Jim and Lyndsey’s description of the purported walkout before Kris’ set, wait till they get a load of Slezak’s:

    And while Kris, the scrappy season 8 champ in the unenviable position of playing for an audience a third smaller than the performer before him…

    http://music-mix.ew.com/2010/02/13/kradison-concert-nyc-highline-idol/

    ETA: MJ, I notice that the colon at the end of my comment is barely visible. Is that a font problem that should be fixed?

  137. This was David Cook’s biggest problem. By touring solo right away, he hasn’t had that much of a chance to increase his fanbase from those who were already fans of his on Idol–and RCA’s choices for his two singles and not releasing another single from his first album hasn’t helped. Good thing David doesn’t seem to care that much about filling arenas. He seems happy to plod along playing small venues and doing what he likes doing.

    Once again we have the misinformation that David Cook played only small venues. He played venues of varying sizes. His fanbase is large enough that he sold a platinum album and two platinum singles.

    Here is the information provided by LadyMadonna of the venues for the Declaration Tour.

    Total shows: 152 (not including Manila or Arbonne)
    Capacity range: 252 to 20,000
    Average capacity: 2700
    Total capacity: 410,415

    Venue Type:
    College: 44 shows (29%)
    Club: 39 shows (26%)
    Fair/Festival: 28 shows (18%)
    Theater: 24 shows (16%)
    Casino: 17 shows (11%)

    Venue size:
    250-600: 16 shows (11%)
    600-1000: 22 shows (14%)
    1,000-1,500: 39 shows (26%)
    1,500-2,500: 38 shows (25%)
    2,500-5,000: 10 shows (7%)
    5,000-10,000: 19 shows (13%)
    10,000-20,000: 8 shows (5%)

  138. Interesting. Wonder who Megan has to get an ok from as far as releasing another song right now?

    Today, February 13, 2010, 37 minutes ago
    Meganjoysings: @xoJLEEox I got the okay to release a song!!!!! how did we do it last time? hahahaha yaaaa my brain only remembers random junk. jip. helps?

  139. Once again we have the misinformation that David Cook played only small venues. He played venues of varying sizes. His fanbase is large enough that he sold a platinum album and two platinum singles.

    Jan, you beat me to the post – I’ve seen that misperception so often that I also have the precise numbers that LadyMadonna compiled. I was also fortunate enough to be at five shows, and by the luck of the geographic draw, they were one of each kind; College, Club, Fair/Festival, Theater, and Casino. At each show the majority of people I met were not from within the Bubble. As you say, all that Platinum argues for a fan base that started large, and kept on growing through 150 plus concerts.

    I wish the Season 8 idols as much success in their touring as well.

  140. think if a girl wins there will not be any of this problem, UNLESS the girl beats the guy.

    Hmm, Taylor beat Kathryn, and there was still a whole lot of hate between those two fanbases.

    Taylor fans practically ran all of the Kat fans off of this site. And beyond that Chris and Elliott fans were mad at her for beating their guys out.

    I say unless the whole top few are girls, there’s still potential for problems.

  141. I posted a comment on Idolatry directing people to come to mjsbigblog to find Kradison videos, and I just discovered it’s been deleted! I’ll post it again, but that’s really weird.

  142. Oh dear, if peeps are upset with Jim and Lyndsey’s description of the purported walkout before Kris’ set, wait till they get a load of Slezak’s:

    And while Kris, the scrappy season 8 champ in the unenviable position of playing for an audience a third smaller than the performer before him…

    LOL! I just got back from reading all of the comments on the EW board. There are verbal jousts taking place over there at this very moment. .

    Really, if one third of the people left that would be about 100 since the venue held 300. I highly doubt that.

  143. Really, if one third of the people left that would be about 100 since the venue held 300. I highly doubt that.

    That really IS a mass exodus…

  144. Don’t know why there’s such sensitivity over the fact (and it is a fact) that people left before the headliner played. [ETA: People do it in every fandom and it’s always rude when they do.] I just remember when some Cook fans did it at a Jingle Ball and Cook came out much later to sing a song with Gavin DeGraw and Colbie Callait. Cook gently chided his own fans for leaving early by saying something to the effect of “see, this is what you miss when you leave early,” knowing full well that his fans were youtube nuts who would find out that they missed an awesome set closer because they simply didn’t have the good manners or good sense to stay.

  145. cakeygirl

    as far as I know, Adam hasn’t been presented that z-100 award yet. The thought I saw on twitter is that they’ll do it when he has his concert on Monday.

  146. Don’t know why there’s such sensitivity over the fact (and it is a fact) that people left before the headliner played

    And this is where the problem lies. They should have had Adam close the show. But then that is awkward because Kris won, and since this was a salute to idol (in a way) they had to put Kris last and make him the “headliner.” So this whole thing was doomed to cause awkwardness. They should have gone Kris, Adam and Allison, for Kradison and then announced that Kris and Adam would be coming out at the end of Allison’s set for a special performance. Problem solved. In the future Ryan should consult me before he organizes one of these things. :)

  147. ‘Idolatry’: Blondes with guitars, Ellen with pancakes, and Kristen Baldwin with a PSA for the men of America

    This week’s ‘Idolatry’ had me spitting out my Pepsi all over. I like how they called Kara a cold bowl of oatmeal, and the PSA, and well all of it… LOL.

  148. LLWD & WWFM were both on the Sirius Hits 1 countdown today – I think LLWD was 24 and WWFM was 22.

  149. I’ve rethought this. I’ve left early at many concerts for various reasons but this was a free concert. It was a special treat for the fans of all three S8 idols. So leaving early is a little different than leaving a concert you paid $ for. It’s almost like you were invited to a ceremony, came for the part you liked (the free food for ex) and then cut out. So I get folks seeing it as rude.

  150. Really, if one third of the people left that would be about 100 since the venue held 300. I highly doubt that.

    Where did you get the 300 figure? I’ve read that it holds 700. I’m not sure what the headcount was last night, though it sounds like it was packed.

  151. And this is where the problem lies. They should have had Adam close the show. But then that is awkward because Kris won, and since this was a salute to idol (in a way) they had to put Kris last and make him the “headliner.” So this whole thing was doomed to cause awkwardness. They should have gone Kris, Adam and Allison, for Kradison and then announced that Kris and Adam would be coming out at the end of Allison’s set for a special performance. Problem solved.

    I see you’re making the assumption that there wouldn’t be a similar exodus by Kris’ fans if he preceded Adam. Granted that theory has never been tested, but is it really beyond the realm of possibility?

  152. will, I think undercooked is making the assumption that Kris fans wouldn’t leave en masse if they knew that Kris would be coming back up on stage at the end of Allison’s set.

  153. Wow! Three different articles saying as many as a third of the peeps left before Kris. Well, if Kris didn’t notice it (i’m sure he didn’t or got used to it during the tour) he surely does now. I am not sure what purpose the writers had in putting that info in the articles. Most peeps are not going to read the comments where reasons were given or the theory was debunked. Instead, it will just be known that people left before Kris just like they did this summer-to me it makes him look bad. That’s just me. The whining over the whole thing by Kris fans is being a little too sensitive. I don’t even think Kris is that sensitive. He knows the deal and seems too professional to ever say anything about it. It’s the real world now and it probably won’t be the last time he is overlooked by another person’s fans. However, those fans won’t get the bashing Adam’s fans are getting for hurting poor underdog Kris again. The pitty story regarding KA is getting old and boring.

  154. Why change the order? Just announce at the beginning and in-between performers, that there would be a joint performance at the end. Problem solved. (Hopefully)

  155. I don’t think the story has much to do with Kris. It’s more about the behavior of Adam’s fans. And the whole thing is a nonevent because I doubt these three will perform together again.

    In the past crazy fans like the Claymates have hurt the Idol’s career. But as long as radio plays his music, Adam will be fine.

    The only other problem would be if the same faces show up at all his shows.

  156. I don’t want to insult anyone but in my humblest opinion it takes quite a bit of ignorance to defend the Adam Lambert fans’ behavior regardless of how many of them left. If you were offered a free concert ticket for (let’s say) Timbaland, Celine Dion and Coldplay (I chose three absolutely different artists on purpose) and if Celine Dion fans left right after her program almost as an organized group you wouldn’t think that they were late for the babysitter or had a train to catch; you would think that they are downright rude/ignorant people for not respecting the artist enough to sit down listen. I’ll say it again: ARTIST. IMHO, the fans that left do not understand that the TV show is over and these singers are now recording ‘artists’ who deserve the audience’s respect. I don’t think this behavior reflects well on Adam Lambert as an artist because this behavior makes me think that his fans do not understand and/or respect and/or care for art and artist but just the competition.

  157. I think it is better for people to leave during the intermission. I would’ve been mad if I was a Kris fan and leaving people were blocking my view of his set. I am sure if Adam went last some people would have left too. The final two are generally completely different artists with different fan bases. I think the people that left missed a great opportunity to see Kris, even if you aren’t a major fan of his music, he is great live. It seems like the AI competition is never over, how sad.

  158. Eh, again I don’t care that people left early. I had asked earlier if those saying they left due to the bbsitter, bus, etc. would have left because of those reasons if Adam would have performed last.

    If they left because they didn’t want to see Kris, okay then, but perhaps they could have considered those who didn’t get tickets who would have liked to have seen all three. JMO.

  159. Danny’s album moved up on the albums chart on Itunes, from #173 on the overall albums chart to #155. And it moved up from #18 on the Country albums chart to #16 on that chart.

  160. cookcricket: I am with you. In the grand scheme of things, I really don’t think it matters who left and why. Plus,it gave an opportunity to other fans to get closer to the stage to see Kris and then Kradison. I’m torn between wanting another Kradison concert in the future (far) because they seem so happy together. & Never wanting it to happen again because of all of the fan warring that it creates.

    BTW: I have watched a lot of Kris’s video’s today and he seems so happy to be performing. He was awesome and the audience seems to be into his performance as well.

  161. OMG Kris is doing an acoustic version of “The Scientist” right now at his Meet Ball gig. Itt sounds fantastic!!!

  162. I guess I do not get it cause if Adam went last and peeps left, I would be glad I could move closer to the stage to see him. I guess I’m just selfish that way. I would have seen it as an opportunity and it honestly would not have bothered me AT ALL. Now, if Adam was doing a solo tour and peeps left during his set, that would bother me for him. Otherwise, who cares-more for me.

  163. Danny’s album moved up on the albums chart on Itunes, from #173 on the overall albums chart to #155. And it moved up from #18 on the Country albums chart to #16 on that chart.

    Glad Danny’s album presales are continuing to do pretty well. Maybe the exposure this weekend on the GAC and CMT countdowns helped him with sales, along with the preview sampler of his songs going online.

  164. LLWD & WWFM were both on the Sirius Hits 1 countdown today – I think LLWD was 24 and WWFM was 22.

    Hmmm. I would have thought it would be the other way around. But either way, cool. I like to see both LLWD and WWFM charting as much as possible in as many medias as possible. And of course, I want them to both to go as high as possible. What can I say, that’s where my competitiveness is.

  165. Isn’t the capacity of the Highline Ballroom about 700? And a third of the audience left after Adam’s set? Oh, come on now, really, I think that is something absolutely everyone who remained would have noticed, and not just people stuck on the idea of the Kris-induced mass exodus.

  166. ok, all I can say is that somebody at that Meet Ball better have videotaped Kris doing the Coldplay cover (The Scientist) and post it on YouTibe, because from what I heard oer the live stream, it was absolutely gorgeous. (He also sang a couple of lines of Empire State of Mind a cappella…). Both he and Allison sounded great tonight and the crowd was very responsive.

  167. And this is where the problem lies. They should have had Adam close the show. But then that is awkward because Kris won, and since this was a salute to idol (in a way) they had to put Kris last and make him the “headliner.” So this whole thing was doomed to cause awkwardness.

    So, are you saying that the organizers should have assumed that, at an event filled with fans of Allison, Adam, and Kris, that Adam’s fans would walk out on Kris if he performed last?

    It seems like you’re saying it was a given that this would happen.

    So I guess you’re saying that if Adam’s fans are only there to see him, and would walk out on the performer who follows him, the concert organizers should take note of the likelihood of this and let the behavior of Adam’s fans dictate the performance order?

    Sorry, but I find that completely outrageous.

    The problem is not the performance order. The problem is the fans in question and their behavior. And there is no need to change the performance order to suit their whims. If they want to walk out, they can walk out. It only makes them look bad.

    As for Kris’s feelings, I’m sure he finds this stuff as stupid as I do, and I doubt he stresses about stuff he has no control over, or people who don’t wish him well.

    They should have gone Kris, Adam and Allison, for Kradison and then announced that Kris and Adam would be coming out at the end of Allison’s set for a special performance. Problem solved. In the future Ryan should consult me before he organizes one of these things.

    Once again, I don’t get why one person’s fans are to be catered to, and their behavior allowed to dictate how a whole concert should play out. It’s not up to them. It is what it is. If they don’t like it, they can leave, and they did. If I were the performer they walked out on, I wouldn’t miss them.

  168. IF, Kris sings before Adam, I am sure some of Kris’ fans will leave too. Think about it and ask your heart, Kris’ fans!

  169. I am a major fan of Adam and Kris and will be flying to see Adam in Fantasy Springs and can’t wait to see Kris live. For that reason I was shocked when I started reading from Jim, Michael and Lyndsey that “Adam fans” walked out before Kris’ set started. My chin almost literally hit the floor.

    Kris DID win and as long as they perform on the same stage it will always be appropriate for Kris to perform last no matter which of them has a gold single or gold album. I have been holding my breath worrying about this show because I felt there would be an even bigger fuss/slam/outcry/fanwar if Adam closed the show. Besides that, Kris has much more experience performing his music live than Adam does. For that also, he deserved to go last.

    IMO, the order was as it should be and even though I would personally love to see them all on the same stage again I really think it is time for all of them to move on to their own thing and best wishes of success to each of them.

  170. So, are you saying that the organizers should have assumed that, at an event filled with fans of Allison, Adam, and Kris, that Adam’s fans would walk out on Kris if he performed last?

    It seems like you’re saying it was a given that this would happen.

    Ok, I’m just going to call it the way I see it. Adam has more fans than Kris and Allison. Usually, the biggest draw closes the show. If this was a normal concert, that’s what would have happened. Adam would have closed the show. But because the concert had to be PC for idol fans, and Allison, Adam and Kris had to perform in elimination order, that didn’t happen. So the biggest draw performed second. Because of that some of the audience left before the final act.

    My suggestion was to make a play on the name “KRADISON” and put them in that order, Kris, Adam and Allison but promise a special performance at the end with all three. No one would be peeved if Allison closed the show. I mean, who doesn’t like her? Then that would eliminate any fan war. I would bet my last dollar if Adam went last, and Kris fans didn’t know that Kris would be coming out for an encore, some would leave before Adam’s set.

    By the way, do we know how big the venue was? I thought it was 300, but some say 700. If a third left, then that would be over 200 people leaving.

  171. Well I think it sucks if Adam fans lefted once it was Kris’s turn to sing. I love all three of them,but even if I didn’t I think it’s just plain childish think to do. My mom raised me not to be rude and to me that’s just plain rude. And if they did really leave then look what happens they missed Adam singing Crazy and that was just plain awesome. I think it was neat to see them perform together in that video. And you could tell how much they love each other. And I loved how Kris called them his family. girlgirl Kris singing Coldplay was so awesome.

  172. Lock:
    02/13/2010 at 11:37 pm

    IF, Kris sings before Adam, I am sure some of Kris’ fans will leave too. Think about it and ask your heart, Kris’ fans!

    Why would they walk out?

    What reason would the Kris fans walk out for?

    Kris won season 8, so why would they walk out on Adam?

    You are guessing.

    Now I can give you the reason the Adam fans walked out on Kris.

  173. People have been saying that Kris fans would walk out on Adam.

    Why would they walk out on Adam?

    What would be the reason they would? There would be no reason for them to walk out on Adam’s set.

    That to me is a lame argument.

  174. Kris won season 8, so why would they walk out on Adam?

    You are guessing.

    Now I can give you the reason the Adam fans walked out on Kris.

    I would think some Kris fans would leave before Adam’s set if (he performed last) because they don’t like his particular style of music. I wouldn’t interpret it as more than that.

    By the same token, I would assume Adam fans who left before Kris’s set do not care for Kris’s particular style of music.

    I really don’t think there is much more than that. I know, blah, blah, people said on twitter Adam fans were going to organize a walk out, blah blah. All the twitter crap has to be taken with a grain of salt. Besides, with twitter, who knows who’s tweeting what and what their motiviations are. Perhaps to start fan wars and sit back and laugh?

  175. I think the disconnect comes from some of Adam fans not being AI fans. They have not followed AI every year. They only watched it this year because of him. They don’t know the history of every contestant that made the top 12 in the last couple of years. They are not fans of the show (myself included) THerefore, they don’t feel the same obligation to the idol family. Cassidy Haley is a good friend of Adam’s but I would not be interested in seeing him either. I would not feel obligated to stay to see him no more than I would feel obligated to stay and see Kesha, or several others. The AI family may feel that everyone should support everyone all the time but that is just in the AI family. Regular concert goers never put a thought into it. It’s just not that deep to most of us.

    In addition, I don’t feel like we should be dictated how to behave in any situation. Guilt and AI social consciousness to get people to behave a certian way to please everyone or save someone’s hurt feelings is deplorable. Fans leaving won’t hurt Adam or Kris’s career. But publicizing a mass exodus may cause Kris to loose some credibility outside the AI family. Regular folks will start to wonder why. They won’t know the history of the tour, etc. like the AI family knows it. I still think the bloggers shouldn’t have mentioned it. No purpose good purpose was served.

  176. undercooked

    I have to disagree. I think that many of the fans who were upset with Kris closing the concert would have had the same problem if Allison had closed the show. Kris at least could fall back on the fact that (a) he won AI and (b) he has a hit single. Allison, unfortunately, could claim neither. I think some of these fans think Adam shouldn’t even be performing on the same stage as Kris and Allison. But that if he has to do so, then only he should close the show. Just because they might not spout the same venom at her as at Kris doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have left after Adam’s set if Allison was the closing act. I think that the ones who deliberately walked out as a sign of disrespect or protest (rather than thse who had to leave so they wouldn’t miss their train home or whatever other legit reason they may have had) would have done the same thing unless Adam was the closing act. Just my opinion. YMMV

  177. Also I agree that it does no good for the reporters to mention people leaving prior to the end of the concert. It just causes hard feelings among the fan groups and certainly doesn’t do the musician any good. Unless it’s some mass exodus where pretty much everyone leaves, there’s no real news value in this.

  178. I would think some Kris fans would leave before Adam’s set if (he performed last) because they don’t like his particular style of music. I wouldn’t interpret it as more than that.

    Once again that is only a guess.

    There is NO reason why Kris fans would leave Adam’s performance.

    That is like saying that Allison’s fans would leave Adam’s performance. Or Matt fans would leave an Adam performance.

    Think about it. It doesn’t make any sense.

    Why would Kris Allen’s fan leave? They wouldn’t have a reason too.

    Plus would Allison fans tweet that they were going to leave Adam’s performance or Matt’s fans saying they were going to leave Adam’s performance?

    Why would they?

  179. I think that the ones who deliberately walked out as a sign of disrespect or protest (rather than thse who had to leave so they wouldn’t miss their train home or whatever other legit reason they may have had) would have done the same thing unless Adam was the closing act. Just my opinion. YMMV

    Do we know if that is really true, or is that a rumor from twitter? I don’t go to fan boards, so I don’t know. I hope that it’s not true.

  180. I wholeheartedly believe that if Adam had gone last and the concert were held in Arkansas, Kris fans would have walked out in the middle of Adam’s performance if not before. lol Would peeps have thought they were obligated to sit thru Adam’s sexually charged set if it wasn’t their cuppa so they wouldn’t be considered rude? No! They would have had an excuse and that excuse would have been that either he offended them or they were just not interested. Although Kris would probably not offend moral consciousness, what is the difference in peeps just not being interested in Kris?

    To say KA fans would not have a reason to leave before Adam is being niave. Look at his performance. While it pleases many, it also offends many and I believe they would have left while shaking their heads, covering their children’s eyes, and clutching their bibles.

  181. Also I agree that it does no good for the reporters to mention people leaving prior to the end of the concert.

    I think reporters only report what they saw, and report back, and what they saw was some rude concert goers. I think EW’s Slezak reported the same thing.

  182. Personally, I’m not getting all the angst over people leaving concerts before they end. Happens all the time. To me, it’s not a matter of rude, manners, or what have you. It’s a personal decision about how a person chooses to spend his or her own time and money, nothing more.

    Now, when I see it happen at whatever concert, I’m generally thinking, whoa, what a waste of money… cuz I’m cheap like that. :-) But to suggest it as a personal affront to the closer or that the exiting folks must not have been raised right is crazy to me.

    Must be an Idol thing. In fact, I’m sure of it. That the Who’s Who of Idol bloggers feel it not only necessary to note it, but chastise it (I’m looking at you Jim C.) is ridiculous imo.

  183. I wholeheartedly believe that if Adam had gone last and the concert were held in Arkansas, Kris fans would have walked out in the middle of Adam’s performance if not before.

    Believe is a guess, not fact.

    I read that during the Arkansas concert Adam was treated great and everyone stood up and clapped. So there goes that theory.

    There is NO reason Kris fans would have to walk out on Adam…none. That is like saying Matt fans would walk out on Adam. There is no reason for them to do that.
    Also since Kris won, why would Adam perform last? That doesn’t even make sense.

  184. But publicizing a mass exodus may cause Kris to loose some credibility outside the AI family. Regular folks will start to wonder why.

    How will Kris lose credibility when Lyndsey, Jim and Michael all commented that those fans who left early missed out on a great performance? I think Adam might lose credibility here– his fans are getting a bad reputation. He probably should be opening for a bigger act to expand his fan base but who is going to want to endure this kind of fan behavior on an extended basis?

  185. I think reporters only report what they saw, and report back, and what they saw was some rude concert goers. I think EW’s Slezak reported the same thing.

    But do you really think outside the AI bubble that the focus will be on the rude concert goers? I mean seriously….rude concert goers? “IF” they read the articles, they will take the performances away and some peeps will notice a ‘mass exodus’ occured before Kris Allen performed.

  186. The summer Idol concert I went to I sat in a section by both Kris and Adam fans and the Kris fans were cordial towards ALL of the contestants…funny, but the Adam fans to the right of me BOOED everytime Kris’s face appeared on the screen. I looked over at the Kris fans and they just shrugged. When Adam came on the Kris fans clapped and waved, but when Kris came on, the Adam fans sat in their seats like toads with their arms folded. I also notice some of the Glamberts leaving early during Kris’s set.

    Now I saw that first hand…with my own eyes.

  187. Guys, whatever your opinion on people leaving or the different fanbases or whatever, none of it will seriously affect either Kris or Adam outside the Idol bubble. It just doesn’t matter.

  188. Bua do you really think outside the AI bubble that the focus will be on the rude concert goers? I mean seriously….rude concert goers? “IF” they read the articles, they will take the performances away and some peeps will notice a ‘mass exodus’ occured before Kris Allen performed.

    Actually most people know that some of the Glamberts are still bitter and whiney about Adam losing from the reporting. If even Lyndsay Parker, a big Glambert, wrote about it…it just shows you who is WRONG…no matter what excuses some of the Glamberts want to throw out there.
    Even Parker agrees. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see who is still bitter and not moving on.

  189. Guys, whatever your opinion on people leaving or the different fanbases or whatever, none of it will seriously affect either Kris or Adam outside the Idol bubble. It just doesn’t matter. No one in the real world cares either way.

    What matters is doing well in the real world and gaining new fans, and they both seem to be in the process of doing that. :)

  190. none of it will seriously affect either Kris or Adam outside the Idol bubble. It just doesn’t matter.

    Seriously. This is crap to me. Both Adam and Kris have real issues about selling as artists and getting beyond the bubble. Kris has a single that is a pretty good, but not monster hit and his album sales aren’t great. Adam has an album that did okay, but not great, but he needs his current single to do well, though it has an okay start. Both need to reach beyond the bubble and get people to, literally, invest in them. Inside the bubble, this s/he said, they said about fanbase stuff, is not going to matter ot anyone outside the bubble. What will matter will be hearing their song on the radio, or seeing them on the teevees.

  191. Ok, I’m just going to call it the way I see it. Adam has more fans than Kris and Allison.

    And that’s why he won American Idol.

    Usually, the biggest draw closes the show.

    Adam has done no real paying concerts yet. You have no idea if he’s a big draw or not. Kris has drawn big crowds to concerts in the Philippines. Adam has drawn big crowds to…what?

    If this was a normal concert, that’s what would have happened. Adam would have closed the show. But because the concert had to be PC for idol fans, and Allison, Adam and Kris had to perform in elimination order, that didn’t happen. So the biggest draw performed second. Because of that some of the audience left before the final act.

    So you’re saying Adam was the biggest draw at this concert, and that more people were there to see Adam than were there to see Kris or Allison. Was the audience polled? You’re making assumption after assumption with nothing to back any of it up.

    I don’t know how many fans Adam can draw, how many he did draw to this concert, how many left, or why they left. No one does.

  192. The summer Idol concert I went to I sat in a section by both Kris and Adam fans and the Kris fans were cordial towards ALL of the contestants…funny, but the Adam fans to the right of me BOOED everytime Kris’s face appeared on the screen. I looked over at the Kris fans and they just shrugged. When Adam came on the Kris fans clapped and waved, but when Kris came on, the Adam fans sat in their seats like toads with their arms folded. I also notice some of the Glamberts leaving early during Kris’s set.

    Now I saw that first hand…with my own eyes.

    Well, you know what? I went to the GMA Summer Concert Series, and heard a pair of Kris fans behind me heckle Adam and his fans throughout the concert. I also met a Kris fan who proceeded to, I kid you not, YELL at three 7 year old girls who were carrying Adam posters, saying “He’s not the winner”.

    So, yeah – every fanbase has their crazy, OTT fans. Just saying.

  193. Danny’s album moved up on the albums chart on Itunes, from #173 on the overall albums chart to #155. And it moved up from #18 on the Country albums chart to #16 on that chart.

    I am so proud of Danny. It seems he might have made the right choice after all.

  194. If it was an isolated incident it would be different but some of the Glamberts have been pulling the same antics at every venue. So apparently there are more CRAZY Glamberts than the other way around.

    That is why I am glad my favorite didn’t win, because if they had beaten Adam my favorite would have been treated the same by the same crazy Glamberts. So far they have left my favorite alone, because they have focused all their mindless hatred on Kris. Kris who appears to be one the sweetest nicest open minded persons on the show during season 8…that came from the mouth of Adam lambert.
    Now I am sooo thankful my fav didn’t win because of what I have witnessed by some of the Glamberts.

  195. I think Adam might lose credibility here–

    Who is he gonna lose credibility with? American Idol fans? American Idol Bloggers? I think he did that at the AMA’s. But, looking at his performance last night, I don’t think he cares.

  196. Ok, I’m just going to call it the way I see it. Adam has more fans than Kris and Allison.

    And that’s why he won American Idol.

    I base that on his album sales and reports that his promotional items at AI concerts outsold all of the other idols promotional items.

    But you are right, Kris should have more fans since he did win AI. And if he does have more fans, he should have sold more albums. But I hear from everyone that Kris’s fanbase is smaller than Adam’s.

    Usually, the biggest draw closes the show.

    Adam has done no real paying concerts yet. You have no idea if he’s a big draw or not. Kris has drawn big crowds to concerts in the Philippines. Adam has drawn big crowds to…what

    I base that in media reports that most AI concerts crowds, except Arkansas, tilted towards Adam. Also his show at Fantasy Springs is nearly sold out if it isn’t already.

  197. Why would they walk out?

    What reason would the Kris fans walk out for?

    Kris won season 8, so why would they walk out on Adam?

    You are guessing.

    Now I can give you the reason the Adam fans walked out on Kris.

    They could walk out for the same reasons Adam fans could walk out on Kris – they didn’t like the music. I personally would not have done this. But Adam and Kris are very different performers, and if one is not your cuppa, I can see people leaving. As someone pointed out yesterday, this was a show with THREE performers, not like a typical show where you’re just going to see 1 with some random opener.

    For other shows that have several performers, I’m sure the same thing happens.

  198. If it was an isolated incident it would be different but some of the Glamberts have been pulling the same antics at every venue. So apparently there are more CRAZY Glamberts than the other way around.

    That is why I am glad my favorite didn’t win, because if they had beaten Adam my favorite would have been treated the same by the same crazy Glamberts. So far they have left my favorite alone, because they have focused all their mindless hatred on Kris. Kris who appears to be one the sweetest nicest open minded persons on the show during season 8…that came from the mouth of Adam lambert.
    Now I am sooo thankful my fav didn’t win because of the Glamberts.

    Glad for all your disdain of Glamberts, you know each and every one of them so well, psychologically.

  199. That is why I am glad my favorite didn’t win,

    Your favorite could have used the win. Who cares what some other idols fans do? Really, these idols are probably a lot less aware of this crap then we think they are. They are just too busy. It’s not a bad thing to win. The winner gets the media coverage and prime performance time on AI in the next season.

  200. They could walk out for the same reasons Adam fans could walk out on Kris – they didn’t like the music.

    Once again…NO PROOF. Just a big guess.

    There is NO reason for any Kris fan, or BTW any Allison fan, or Matt fan to walk out on Adam.
    OR any reason for Kris fans, or Allison, or Matt fans to TWEET that they were going to walk out before Adam’s performance.
    NONE.
    But I can tell why some Adam fans left before Kris came on.
    They are still bitter about Adam’s lose…OR THEY WOULDN’T HAVE WALKED OUT and then tweeted why they did.
    DUH.
    There is no reason for Kris fans to walk out on Adam’s performance…since Kris won.
    So all of those “but Kris fans would’ve done the same” is just GUESSES. Because there is no reason for them to do so.

  201. Who is he gonna lose credibility with?

    With the industry– like I said in the rest of my comment… Who would want him to open for him/her when there is a good chance that a good portion of the audience would leave before the main act?

  202. “So far they have left my favorite alone, because they have focused all their mindless hatred on Kris. Kris who appears to be one the sweetest nicest open minded persons on the show during season 8…that came from the mouth of Adam lambert.”

    If you want to see mindless hate, I direct you to EVERY and ANY article about Adam Lambert. You will see the ugliest, most disgusting, mindless hate. And I’m talking about EVERY and ANY article since the start of Season 8 — up until this very day. It’s there for all the world to see.

    I don’t like ugly mindless hate being spewed at anyone. It’s not right when it’s done to Kris Allen, it’s not right when it’s done to Adam Lambert, it’s not right when it’s done to Clay Aiken, it’s not right when it’s done to Danny Gokey, etc., etc.

    I think folks should just relax a bit about who left the concert, and when. From what I have learned, the audience was about 90% Adam fans, so the fact there was still basically a full house when Kris started, says to me that a LOT of Adam fans stuck around for Kris. I know personally of several who did. I know of one who left because she was totally “spent” hot and exhausted after Adam’s set. His performances kind of do that to a person. So if some felt they needed to go… I think it’s actually great that they got out of the way for the people who really wanted to stick around and enjoy the guy.

  203. There is no reason for Kris fans to walk out on Adam’s performance…since Kris won.

    As I stated, there are plenty of reasons Kris fans (or Allison, or anyone NOT Adam) could decide to leave before he performed. After all, we did get tweets from people not enjoying Adam’s set, thinking it was too OTT, too sexual. People who don’t like his music, his makeup, his sexuality, his dancing, what have you.

    It is not all as simple as “who won”. They’re there for a concert – if they don’t like the performer, or the music, anyone could decide to leave whenever they feel like it.

  204. OR any reason for Kris fans, or Allison, or Matt fans to TWEET that they were going to walk out before Adam’s performance.
    NONE.
    But I can tell why some Adam fans left before Kris came on.
    They are still bitter about Adam’s lose…OR THEY WOULDN’T HAVE WALKED OUT and then tweeted why they did.

    Why in the world are you believing twitter. Hasn’t it been proved more than once on this very blog that it’s usually never right? Now for you conspiracy theorists, perhaps those who tweeted were really Kris fans who just wanted to make Adam fans look bad?

    Who would want him to open for him/her when there is a good chance that a good portion of the audience would leave before the main act?

    Adam will open for someone who has a simliar style music. And since it is his first tour, I suspect he will open for another act, which means, a lot of people might skip his act and only get there for the headliner.

    Kris and Adam are just two different type of performers who really shouldn’t be playing on the same stage. Kris would be better off playing with someone like David Cook or Carrie.

  205. Who would want him to open for him/her when there is a good chance that a good portion of the audience would leave before the main act?

    I went to see Muse open for U2 this fall. After Muse finished, some young ‘jumpers’ left-enough that we noticed and we moved up closer. Do you really think U2 cared? Do you think GAGA cares when Jason Dirulo (sp) fans leave after seeing him cause they are not really fans of GAGA? It has happened at both concerts I saw. Honestly, they really don’t care. American Idol is not the rest of the music industry nor does it consume the rest of concert goers.

    At both U2 and GAGA, many many peeps waited a full hour before coming to the concert to just see the headliner. At U2, half the stadium was not filled for Muse. People go see who they want to see whether it is the opening act or headliner and no one seems to complain.

  206. Adam will open for someone who has a simliar style music. And since it is his first tour, I suspect he will open for another act, which means, a lot of people might skip his act and only get there for the headliner.

    Very true. If he opened for someone like Lady Gaga or Pink (just throwing out some ideas here) – I’m sure many of their fans would skip him and go to the main show. And if his fans decide to leave after he performs, I’m sure those headliners would not care one bit about that.

  207. If Rumors are true and Kris Opens for Jonas Bros, will all Kris fans stay for Jonas Bros or will they be considered rude if they leave? Will all Jonas Bros fans need to make sure they get there early to see Kris Allen so they won’t be considered rude. Not that I believe the twitter rumor about Jonas Bros but I was just using it as an example. The real world just don’t care like the AI world does.

  208. They could walk out for the same reasons Adam fans could walk out on Kris – they didn’t like the music. I personally would not have done this. But Adam and Kris are very different performers, and if one is not your cuppa, I can see people leaving. As someone pointed out yesterday, this was a show with THREE performers, not like a typical show where you’re just going to see 1 with some random opener.

    I think Kris fans would have left out of disgust that the AI winner didn’t get to close the show. And they would have been rude to leave as well.

    Either way, the show was billed as an exclusive Kradison show. Anyone who got tickets knew that it was an event for all three, so I think that it was rude for them to leave early if they didn’t have a legitimate reason (health, transportation). I don’t think Slezak and Jim were out to bash the Glamberts, but they were making the point that those people who left denied a spot for someone who would’ve enjoyed to see all three.

    I agree that if Glamberts left to make a point that Kris wasn’t worth their time, then they should’ve waited for Adam’s concert and let people who were genuinely interested in seeing all three performers enjoy the Allison, Adam, and Kris Rock My Town Concert as it was advertised. Just my two cents.

  209. In the grand scheme of things, I really don’t think it matters who left and why. Plus,it gave an opportunity to other fans to get closer to the stage to see Kris and then Kradison. I’m torn between wanting another Kradison concert in the future (far) because they seem so happy together. & Never wanting it to happen again because of all of the fan warring that it creates.

    I go for the latter…It doesn’t really matter that a good number of people left and it’s not surprising. And I’m sure Kris didn’t really mind and was not surprised either. It’s just that it’s not pleasant and it makes me think that it would have been better if that concert had been held in Little Rock. Adam and Allison were very well received during the idol tour. I’m sure the place would have remained packed until the end of the show.

    Can’t wait for the Coldplay song done by Kris tonight. Fingers crossed for a video

  210. KEWL tweet from Billboard about FYE-the single. I wish we had numbers for last week.

    Adam Lambert’s “For Your Entertainment” continues upward movement on Billboard’s Hot Dance Club Play chart, rising 19-15 to new peak spot.
    2 minutes ago from web

  211. I don’t think Slezak and Jim were out to bash the Glamberts, but they were making the point that those people who left denied a spot for someone who would’ve enjoyed to see all three.

    Ohh, good point. Like me :-) Darn it, that could have been my ticket!

  212. I don’t think Slezak and Jim were out to bash the Glamberts, but they were making the point that those people who left denied a spot for someone who would’ve enjoyed to see all three.
    I agree that if Glamberts left to make a point that Kris wasn’t worth their time, then they should’ve waited for Adam’s concert and let people who were genuinely interested in seeing all three performers enjoy the Allison, Adam, and Kris Rock My Town Concert as it was advertised. Just my two cents.

    idolprocrastinator, spot-on comment!!

  213. tinydance:
    You keep saying there is NO reason for Kris fans to “walk out on Adam”. Why not? How about because they wanted to. What’s the big deal? They are tired, they have an early morning, they are hot and hungry, they don’t like Adam’s music, etc.
    There are lots of concerts I’ve gone to where I just go for the main act or I wait in the bar/eating area and have a drink until the main act is on. That means I’m missing one or two opening acts. If any of these three idols open for big names, they can expect to play to some half-filled arenas and to unenthusiastic crowds.
    If I had gone to the Kradison concert and been standing for 4+ hours, I might have left after Adam’s set. Why? Because I don’t really care for Kris’ music. If a Kris fan had been in the same situation and decided they were tired of standing or just didn’t care to hear Adam sing 12 songs, it wouldn’t have bothered me. So what? It would have given me room to move up and probably made the concert more enjoyable. The last people I would want around me are people who weren’t into Adam or his music. To me it’s more fun when everyone is dancing and singing along.

  214. Adam Lambert’s “For Your Entertainment” continues upward movement on Billboard’s Hot Dance Club Play chart, rising 19-15 to new peak spot.
    2 minutes ago from web

    That’s awesome! Can’t say enough how much I love that song!

  215. The summer Idol concert I went to I sat in a section by both Kris and Adam fans and the Kris fans were cordial towards ALL of the contestants…funny, but the Adam fans to the right of me BOOED everytime Kris’s face appeared on the screen. I looked over at the Kris fans and they just shrugged. When Adam came on the Kris fans clapped and waved, but when Kris came on, the Adam fans sat in their seats like toads with their arms folded. I also notice some of the Glamberts leaving early during Kris’s set.

    Now I saw that first hand…with my own eyes.

    This just makes me sad. I went to two AI concerts and everyone got a lot of love. I screamed and hollered for everyone. If what you are saying is true, that’s awful. My experience was so different.

  216. FYE is a great song.

    If it is moving up the dance charts, someone has to have numbers for last week.

  217. With the 4 auto-adds for this week factored for WWFM, there are now only 37 stations left that can add WWFM, 14 of which are Cumulus. (if they dont add him this week, hell be the only one left in the top 20 that they havent added and will be blatantly going around him..will it happen this week? only one can hope.

    so glad that FYE is #15 on the billboard dance charts!!

  218. Regarding some Rock My Town concert fans leaving after Adam’s set —
    Jim Cantiello wrote, “As the glitter settled and the road crew began setting up for Allen’s performance, a sizeable group of Lambert fans made a beeline for the door, an odd and unfortunate gesture considering the amount of “Idol” fans who were shut out from winning tickets and love all the performers.”

    This leaves me with two questions:

    1. Are there really that many Kradison fans? I really think that there were many Kradison fans during AI8 session and last summer’s tour — but I think that Kradison has faded.

    2. From the standpoint of music, artistic direction and performance style, Kris and Adam are almost polar opposites. Why should a fan of one be expected to like the other?

    Finally, since the ticket winners were select in a random drawing from the Rock My Town NY City voters who lived within 50 miles of NY, the people who got the tickets and the people who didn’t get tickets should have been equally “Adam-centric”. Perhaps someone who writes about Idol for MTV News, and who encouraged Kris fans to vote for Little Rock, should have told the Kris fans in NY to move their vote to NYC 24 hours before the concert — so that they would have a shot at the tickets.

  219. Q3 you always make sense! Do you have any numbers for FYE the single from last week?

  220. alaadam:
    02/14/2010 at 1:41 am

    FYE is a great song.

    If it is moving up the dance charts, someone has to have numbers for last week.

    Last week, it was #19 on the Dance Club Play Chart which is based on what Club DJ’s play. [4th week on chart, up from #25 last week.]

    Sales of FYE last week were <10K units. I think I will have number in a few days. Total sales units in the US are just under 250K.

    FYE is also charting in some other countries…
    Last week for example:

    #37 Canada Hot 100 13th week on chart, peak was #23
    #99 Japan: Billboard Japan Hot Top Airplay – released 2/4/10
    #9 Finland singles chart [100% sales], peak was #5
    #10 New Zealand single chart [75% sales, 25% airplay]

  221. 1. Are there really that many Kradison fans? I really think that there were many Kradison fans during AI8 session and last summer’s tour — but I think that Kradison has faded.

    Seems like a recurrent theme that Adam got most of his fans outside the AI world, people who don’t see AI year after year or even despise the show. Same goes for the rhetoric that he has a much more diversified fanbase than the comon AI alumni. Wonder what kind of evidence one would have when the bulk of his exposure where on AI the tv show and AI the concert tour.

    Any video of an after the show AI tour concert shows exactly the same type of audience that any male AI alumni post show has: older women and a tween set. Not only there are videos, but it’s what Adam said in past interviews too.

    The AI factor is confirmed by his international penetration, countries like New Zeland, Finland and Canada have been the first frontier for AI alumnis because that’s where the show is the most popular outside the US. Japan and the UK are the next tier considering the previous success of Kelly or Elliott in those countries.
    Same goes for his success in internet polls or any related competition based on internet votes. This too is typical AI fanbase behavior where artists who are clearly less popular in terms of sales dominate others who have years of success behind them.

    In respect to the accusations that Lambert fans are being disrespectfull that’s a combination of expectation meets facts. Any AI fan expected his fanbase to act like previous ones of popular males like Taylor or Clay just because of the nature of the competition.
    This is unfortunately not the first time I hear about these kinds of behaviours and I’ve not been following those things closely for the past few months, when Adam himself has to ask on twitter for people to stop harassing radio stations, you know something is not right and altough I hope cumulus adds him, one might wonder if his fans behavior is not penalazing him in this matter.
    Same goes for the moderator of his official site who seemed really exhausted to deal with the “crazies”.
    At some point it’s not just other people making up stuff.

    Finally, since the ticket winners were select in a random drawing from the Rock My Town NY City voters who lived within 50 miles of NY, the people who got the tickets and the people who didn’t get tickets should have been equally “Adam-centric”.

    From what I understand, Adam asked on twitter to vote for NYC and that was immediatly reflected on the votes, so there’s a legitimate reason why the NYC crowd would be more Adam centric

  222. I find it interesting that, for the most part, only 3 writers have posted a review of Friday’s Rock My Town Concert: Slezak, Jim C., and Lindsey, and that all 3 are predominantly writers that are heavily involved with American Idol, the Idol tour, and American Idol Alumni.

    I have yet to read any “mainstream” media reviews of the event…doesn’t look like much local press was invited. That being said, it looks as if this concert was ABSOLUTELY intended to be part of the AI bubble and was not intended to “highlight” the singers and their skills. Lack of “real” press pretty much guaranteed that all of the reviews would be skewed to embrace the AI fan and to continue the “competition” and the “competitive nature” that is so much a part of AI.

    Not for one second would “fans” be part of a “legitimate/non Idol” press review (other than the fainting girls). And for all 3 to “mention” the same incident in their pieces just goes to prove that they are very aware that AI fanwarring is the best way to get hits and responses to their sites. For me, its all gotten tremendously old and tiresome. But, heh, Kradison is now dead and other than a few AI eccentric sites Adam, Kris, and Allison will be seperate individuals with seperate careers…Thank the Universe for small favors.

  223. If you go by the acccount of Slezak, Jim C and Lindsey the hall would have been half empty for Kris’s set. How come I’m not reading that from the fans blogs that were there. Maybe those people left to get fresh air, go to the bathroom, get something to drink etc and then returned for Kris’s set.

  224. 1. Are there really that many Kradison fans? I really think that there were many Kradison fans during AI8 session and last summer’s tour — but I think that Kradison has faded.

    Seems like a recurrent theme that Adam got most of his fans outside the AI world, people who don’t see AI year after year or even despise the show.

    I took the orginanal statement to mean that it is difficult to find any AI fan who likes all three, Kris, Adam and Allison equally.

    The AI factor is confirmed by his international penetration, countries like New Zeland, Finland and Canada have been the first frontier for AI alumnis because that’s where the show is the most popular outside the US. Japan and the UK are the next tier considering the previous success of Kelly or Elliott in those countries

    ITA-The only people who would know about either Kris, Adam or Allison are the ones who watched AI as none of them (except Kris) have promoted their album internatinonally yet.

    From what I understand, Adam asked on twitter to vote for NYC and that was immediatly reflected on the votes, so there’s a legitimate reason why the NYC crowd would be more Adam centric

    Kris’s mother and Kris himself asked peoople to vote for Little Rock. So it is what it is. NY has a much larger population than Little Rock. One would expect NY to win.

    I have yet to read any “mainstream” media reviews of the event…doesn’t look like much local press was invited. That being said, it looks as if this concert was ABSOLUTELY intended to be part of the AI bubble and was not intended to “highlight” the singers and their skills. Lack of “real” press pretty much guaranteed that all of the reviews would be skewed to embrace the AI fan and to continue the “competition” and the “competitive nature” that is so much a part of AI.

    ITA on the AI fandom thing, but I have to ask myself why bother with an event like this? I am wonder if this concert was set up as a showcase for music executives? We know the UK Sony exec was there. I wonder who else was in the VIP lounge? Concert promoters? Potential sponsors? I think that could be one reason why this concert was organized. Someone had to foot the bill for this. Was it the radio station? 19? Did Jive and RCA chip in? I know the club made money off of the drinks, but they lost a lot of money on ticket sales because it was free. So I would think the club was rented for the event. Were Adam, Kris and Allison paid? I would think their band members would expect to be paid.

  225. I find it interesting that, for the most part, only 3 writers have posted a review of Friday’s Rock My Town Concert: Slezak, Jim C., and Lindsey, and that all 3 are predominantly writers that are heavily involved with American Idol, the Idol tour, and American Idol Alumni

    Yep. Remember all those arguments people had about how it would be better to have the event in NYC because then the “real” press would attend and give them more exposure? Some argued that only AI Press would care so it made little difference if the event was held in NYC or LR or wherever. I’m sure that if the rest of the press had been excited about this event, they could have gotten in. They weren’t all that interested.

  226. I live in NYC and haven’t heard a mention of this concert in any media. There’s too much going on for an event like this to get any coverage. In general promotional events like this are ignored and only a handful of shows get reviewed out of hundred/thousands daily.

    I always knew Kradison would get lost here so that really wasn’t a valid reason to have the concert. Ditto for LA as well. And who else but the Idol press would be interested in an “all star Idol event.” They’re lucky they got that. :)

  227. ^^^
    And at one time the scuttlebutt about this concert is that it would also be open to the “public” (besides the ticket winners). No one could have foreseen that the concert was a “trial run” for the facilitator to work with Ryan Seacrest’s new promotion company and that the concert would be a tiny intimate affair.

    IMHO this whole concert (other than the performances themselves) was a total fail from start to finish. Information was sadly lacking and full of wholes, the contest “rules” were ambiguous at best, the venue “sucked”. And, with everything else that was done so badly it is no wonder that the facilitator “forgot” to include the media…why would they, it apparently wasn’t on their must do checklist it seems.

  228. I’m not sure they didn’t try for media. But how interested would media be in a concert for fans than wasn’t open to the general public. Shows by major artists barely get reviewed here.

  229. Sorry, I can’t edit but you make a good point about the event being free. Who paid for it? I’m guessing you could rent the Highline for the night for 10K or so. Plus the musicians (not the Idols), staff have to be paid. So someone spent a fair amount of $ and I’m not quite sure what the point was.

    I guess it was to launch Ryan’s concert series?

  230. I’m interested to see if Cumulus will skip over WWFM again this week or not.

  231. And at one time the scuttlebutt about this concert is that it would also be open to the “public” (besides the ticket winners). No one could have foreseen that the concert was a “trial run” for the facilitator to work with Ryan Seacrest’s new promotion company and that the concert would be a tiny intimate affair.

    Yes, I recall that in the beginning people thought there would be tickets to purchase. And I agree that the mainstream press wouldn’t cover a private event like this. I don’t recall much press coverage for the Walmart Stockholder shows, or the Ford mini concert.

    But having said that, the NY location worked well for Adam as he got to do the VH1 while he was there. Even if the press wasn’t at the show, NYC was a good place to have the concert (other than LA) to get other music related biz done. I don’t know how keen the Sony UK exec would have been to fly out to LR for a Kradison concert. Or for that matter, any of the other music VIPs that attended the show, (if there were any).

  232. Either way, the show was billed as an exclusive Kradison show. Anyone who got tickets knew that it was an event for all three, so I think that it was rude for them to leave early if they didn’t have a legitimate reason (health, transportation). I don’t think Slezak and Jim were out to bash the Glamberts, but they were making the point that those people who left denied a spot for someone who would’ve enjoyed to see all three.

    Anyone who gets tickets for ANY concert knows it is getting tix for the opening act(s) as well (it is written on the tix)…so by that argument anyone who showed up late for Lady Gaga’s sold out shows denied a ticket to someone who wanted to see both semi precious weapons and lady gaga. People show up late for concerts and skip opening acts all the time. Every concert I have ever attended at MSG is half empty when the opening act performs (and no one even pays attention to them half the time)…are Kris fans (or Adam fans or Allison fans) going to complain about the disrespectful crowd when they open for a big name and people are only starting to show up halfway thru their set? And like I’ve said , people leave multi-act shows early all the time. The fact is that while there are people who enjoy both Kris and Adam’s music (and Allisons) they are soooooo different that it is unsurprising that people who like kris’ style and vibe may really, really dislike Adam and vice versa. If they have been waiting in the cold for hours and standing in a hot room for hours perhaps they had just had enough and wanted to leave. This happens at non-idol shows all the time. Why is the idol world so oversensitive to something that is not even blinked at in the real world. Sheesh

  233. I guess it was to launch Ryan’s concert series?

    I don’t follow Ryan’s career, but there seems to be something in the wind that he is branching out into promoting concerts? Does anyone know more? If that is the case, I could see Ryan pushing for NY or Los Angeles for the concert. If he’s trying to partner up with people, then he needs the players to attend these events.

    I’m coming to the conclusion that they just needed an audience for the showcase/concert and decided to go the radio contest route. Other factors were certainly at play here.

    By the way, with all the money Ryan makes, I’m sure he could foot the bill for this entire event himself. :)

  234. When people pay $ for a ticket they can come/go any time they please. When they’re lucky enough to win a free ticket to an event that other people are shut out of it’s bad manners to do the same.

    Anyway, kind of lucky this is getting more attention than Adam’s fans grabbing his crotch (which I guess did happen). So that’s a win.

    .

  235. And at one time the scuttlebutt about this concert is that it would also be open to the “public” (besides the ticket winners). No one could have foreseen that the concert was a “trial run” for the facilitator to work with Ryan Seacrest’s new promotion company and that the concert would be a tiny intimate affair.

    It said it would be a private event, right in the contest’s FAQ, but folks choose to ignore it.

  236. I don’t think people’s musical preferences or favorite AI contestant have anything to do with their personal character. Intentionally leaving during someone’s performance that is planned due to your fave not winning is rude, but I think there would be a few Kris fans leaving if someone else won as well.

  237. I base that on his album sales and reports that his promotional items at AI concerts outsold all of the other idols promotional items.

    undercooked, you may very well be right that Adam is the biggest draw, but there is no proof of that right now, that’s all I’m saying.

    I don’t know if album sales are proof someone is a large concert draw, though. I think that’s unpredictable. By that logic, Susan Boyle should sell out stadiums. And she may. But I don’t know.

    But you are right, Kris should have more fans since he did win AI. And if he does have more fans, he should have sold more albums. But I hear from everyone that Kris’s fanbase is smaller than Adam’s.

    Once again, SuBo is a good example. Does she really have millions of “fans”? — i.e., people who are invested in her career and will follow her career? Or did she just sell millions of albums because of tremendous exposure? And will this traslate into long-term popularity?

  238. I’m coming in on the tail end of this discussion. But from the start I thought it was obvious that this whole concert was to promote Ryan’s latest business venture. His involvement with AI gave him easy access to Kris, Adam, and Allison to perform there. Ditto the built in audience to fill the house, wherever it would be held.

    It’s actually a shame it wasn’t held in Little Rock. All of the Idols had said they got a lot of love when the AI Tour was there. They probably could have had a much larger venue for little to no cost. On my Christmas flight on Southwest Air, Little Rock was the featured city. I learned a lot about it that I never knew. It’s actually a beautiful area and growing in the Arts & Entertainment as well as business.

    It’s a shame the focus has been on the bad behaviour of a set group of fans determined to ‘make a statement’ and not all the positives of the concert. Had I not seen the tweets and pre and post concert brags on the walk outs, I’d think it was over reaction and take it with a grain of salt. I do doubt that a full third of the audience left before Kris’ set. People who stayed could verify that if they looked around and had done a head count.

    I also read a few tweets of Adam fans giving up their spots up front to appreciative Kris fans. I read one where someone was bitching that they went out for drinks and lost their prime front location to a ‘Kristard’ when they came back. Sadly, I also read of some fans screaming ‘Go back to Arkansas’

    That people have a personal history of acting rude at concerts doesn’t make it OK.

  239. Had I not seen the tweets and pre and post concert brags on the walk outs, I’d think it was over reaction and take it with a grain of salt. I do doubt that a full third of the audience left before Kris’ set. People who stayed could verify that if they looked around and had done a head count.

    I doubt 200 people left either. But, what are we to make of Slezak’s comment? Did you read 200 tweets saying people were walking out to make a statement? Maybe people left because they were tired, hot, hungry, etc. and they weren’t really fans of Kris’ music. Like I said before, that wouldn’t have bothered me AT ALL! I would have wanted to move up closer and be around people that wanted to be there.

    When people pay $ for a ticket they can come/go any time they please. When they’re lucky enough to win a free ticket to an event that other people are shut out of it’s bad manners to do the same.

    Only inside of the idol bubble would this be considered to be rude. If an average person won tickets for a concert from a radio station and decided to skip one or two of the opening acts, would that be bad manners? They won the tickets, they can use them as they choose. People do it all the time. Just because you win tickets to an event doesn’t mean you have to be on time, stay the whole time, or even show up. The expectations inside the idol bubble are unrealistic and at times bizarre.

    ITA with your 1st statement! The people who left early this summer on the AI tour were NEVER rude. It was their decision and their right to do what they wanted to do.

  240. Hey all, I have a friend who was VIP who was at the concert. She said that the group of people who left in mass after Adam’s set were from a show that was filming or something. Some soon to air program called Dreamers. She said they left because their shooting or whatever was done. She said there was NOT a mass exodus of Adam fans after his set. So maybe a few( who knows) but she said the group was from that show.

  241. ITA with your 1st statement! The people who left early this summer on the AI tour were NEVER rude. It was their decision and their right to do what they wanted to do.

    Wasn’t that greatly exaggerated, also? I looked for evidence of this at the concert I went to, and I never saw it happen. When the concert was over, the aisles were packed for half an hour. This got blown way out of proportion early in the tour. So what if, like, 40 or 50 people leave a concert where there are thousands of people?

    Also, weren’t a good number of those tweets saying “people are leaving in droves” traced back to some, shall we say, overinvested fans of a certain artist?

    The difference between that and Highline is that only three artists were featured, people apparently really did walk out, and the people who left were identified as fans of one particular artist.

  242. Isn’t that dreamers show another 19/simon fuller production or somehow affiliated with the idol ptb? Wouldn’t surprise me if they had some people there and were filming a spot if that was the case

  243. ross:
    Yes, I do believe it was overexaggerated this summer on the tour. I never saw evidence of a mass exodus either. I did see some people leave early, but I’ve seen that at other concerts.
    Of course it is going to be Adam fans who left early at Highline. They seemed to make up a majority of the audience. IF 40 or 50 people left, what about the other 550 that stayed and sang along and cheered? Were they all Kris fans? I believe a good portion of the crowd were primarily Adam fans. They stayed to support and enjoy Kris and party with everyone. Why are we not talking about them?
    Every concert recap I have read (on Adam fansites) are from Adam fans who stayed the whole time and are very complimentary towards Kris.
    Are there hateful, resentful Adam fans who left early? Yep.
    Would ther have been hateful, resentful Kris fans who would have left early if Adam had gone last? Yep.
    Who cares? There were hundreds of people who stayed, had a blast and wrote glowing recaps about all three of the performers that night.

  244. 1. Are there really that many Kradison fans? I really think that there were many Kradison fans during AI8 session and last summer’s tour — but I think that Kradison has faded.

    IDK – a lot of my AI friends are Kradison fans (or, technically, Kradisonatt fans – lol). A lot of us, like me, have a fav, and have only really seriously followed that one person closely, but love all three for being excellent musicians and performers.

    After all, I drove 4.5 hours to NYC just to see Kris sing 2 songs – that must count for something ;-) And Allison and Adam have insanely good chemistry on stage together.

    My twitter feed friday night was filled with mad love for all three – and this was mainly from my hardcore Adam fan friends.

    2. From the standpoint of music, artistic direction and performance style, Kris and Adam are almost polar opposites. Why should a fan of one be expected to like the other?

    True – I’m not a big fan of the style of music Kris sings, for instance, but again, going back to my point above, knowing him from the show would easily make me sit through his set, and even go to a solo tour of his.

  245. you know, as a music lover in general, I have found that LIVE music is great almost in any situation if the performers are talented. I saw the Script with David Cook. Loved them! And I had only heard one of their songs at that point. Adam, AWESOME live. I think Kris, a talented performer, is pretty good live too( I saw him during the idol tour and not since). Just saying. i have rarely been to a live performance with talented people, that wasn’t engaging in some way. Even opera( and I don’t love opera at all) I have even enjoyed coffee house performers, and Jazz brunch performers. Would I pay money to see some of these guys on their own? Well maybe not. But if I was there anyway, even waiting for the person I had paid to see, I would probably enjoy them on some level. I just love the energy from live music.

  246. True – I’m not a big fan of the style of music Kris sings, for instance, but again, going back to my point above, knowing him from the show would easily make me sit through his set, and even go to a solo tour of his.

    I also would have stayed for the entire concert as the vast majority of people did.

    If this concert had been promoted as Kradison and bring it to your city — then I think the outcome may have been better. Why Kris supporters, LR Radio stations, Jim C. and Kris’ mom started the LR Kris Hometown movement mystified me but caused some of the trouble. Alli never stated a preference and Adam’s only tweet about preference was that he liked NY on 12/18 — the last day of voting.

    According to the press release about the concert 57,000 people voted in this contest — only about 11% voted for LR — so there must have been some Kris fans voting for other cities — including NY.

    For better or worse — Adam and Kris were in competition on Idol. And for some [not me] that competition has not ended. It is unfortunate, but true — some Kris fans, some Adam fans and some of the Idol press still are living in AI8. It is over, and it is time to move on. A new season of Idol is underway, and these three all have professional careers ahead.

  247. Jae, that was interesting news — about the people leaving — it’s funny how often there’s a reasonable explanation.

    Are there hateful, resentful Adam fans who left early? Yep. Would ther have been hateful, resentful Kris fans who would have left early if Adam had gone last? Yep.

    Tiger92, if Adam had gone last, Kris’s fans would have had reason to be resentful since Kris was the winner and rightfully should have gone last, I think. (Picture a concert from the previous year’s contestants and Archie going last. How would that make any sense?)

    On the other hand, why should Adam’s fans be resentful? That Kris won AI and so he got to perform last? Is it his fault he won? That’s basically why it seems so pointless and unreasonable. To punish a guy beccause he beat the guy you’re a fan of.

    Of course, the first scenario never actually happened, and the second one actually did happen. Maybe.

    I really hope Jae is right, and the people who walked out were a completely different group of people.

    Like you guys (Tiger92, and Mary102), I mostly saw love for all three wherever I looked online after the concert. So if all these people actually did walk out in some kind of planned way, they haven’t been vocal about it.

  248. Tiger92, if Adam had gone last, Kris’s fans would have had reason to be resentful since Kris was the winner and rightfully should have gone last, I think. (Picture a concert from the previous year’s contestants and Archie going last. How would that make any sense?)

    I didn’t mean if Adam had been picked to go last without being the winner. What if this concert had taken place after an Adam win? Would there have been resentful Kris fans? Yep?
    Why are there resentful Adam fans? For the same reason there are Kris fans that resent “the hype” that Adam recieves. I guess it’s the nature of the AI Bubble. It’s always a competition.
    I would have possibly left early if I had been exhausted and hungry. (with wet shoes-yuck!) If there had been seats, I probably would have stayed till the very end. I’m the type of person that stays and chats in the theatre until the end of the credits. lol I’m sure a few people left because they were being petty. But, how many Adam fans would leave knowing there is an encore coming up? I really think some people were just tired and are the type of people that leave with 2 minutes left in the game. (you know the type :) )

  249. 1. Are there really that many Kradison fans? I really think that there were many Kradison fans during AI8 session and last summer’s tour — but I think that Kradison has faded.

    trust me, for every person that left, i could find a normal idol/kradison fan that would have enjoyed the entire concert. yes, considering i saw a lot of love for all three in LA at Staples, i would say there is (still) a fair number of ali/adam/kris fans. ive seen enough posts on this blog and others expressing such interest in the concert that it tells me there are others out there that share my sentiment.

  250. btw, kris shouldn’t care if those losers choose to leave early. his song is still climbing the charts (heard it on kiss fm LA for the first time today) and his video is doing fairly well. really, in the end, does it matter what a bunch of trailer trash adults yell? brush it off your should :p

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