Grammy Submissions

The next Grammy Awards ceremony will occur on Jan 31, 2010. This is the time of the year when the Grammy submissions start leaking out. You can’t get nominated if you are not submitted (and you can’t win if not nominated).

Submissions are made by labels. This is our first look into what’s in the running. This also gives a small window into their Award strategy. Please note that this is a partial list.

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The submissions that have leaked so far after the jump (thanks to itsalleternal for posting them in Headlines):

Category 1: Record of the Year:
Jordin Sparks: “Battlefield”
Ruben Studdard: “Together”

Category 2: Album of the Year:
Jordin Sparks: “Battlefield”

Category 29: Best R&B Album:
Melinda Doolittle: “Addiction”

Please post them as you find them! Thanks.

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  1. Go Ruben. Go Melinda. I love both of these cds. Together is Ruben’s best. Melinda’s is just awesome, I play it all of the time. Of course I don’t expect to see them make final consideration…..but still, this is nice.

  2. This may take weeks to compile. Last year, the lists came out on October 16. I believe the voting deadline is October 13 so around there is when I expect the full lists – if no one leaks them sooner.

  3. Allright! Go Ruben, Jordin and Melinda. Please let David cook be on this list in some category. So looking forward to seeing that.

  4. Wasn’t Crush nominated last year? I think it was, so no, it can’t.

    Go Idols!!

  5. My heart would break for Cook, if he didn’t end up on the list. I don’t know anyone who has worked harder or deserves it more.

  6. Why are we sending up prayers that our favorite Idols’ names make the Grammy submissions list? What’s the big deal? Isn’t this submitted by their own labels? Isn’t it basically guaranteed that if their albums even sold halfway decently (or even if not (see Jordin)), their label would still submit their name? The only interesting thing on the lists would probably be what songs are submitted and what categories the Idols and their songs are submitted in,

  7. GO MELINDA! Even if she’s not selling loads of records, she still made a great album and I’m glad she’s nominated.

  8. It is the first time i heard Melinda have a song addiction? are you sure is the right one ? She have album call Coming Back to You. If something to be in grammy will be It’s Your Love!

  9. My heart would break for Cook, if he didn’t end up on the list. I don’t know anyone who has worked harder or deserves it more.

    Mine too Sassycatz! we know he tweeted about the grammies just a few days ago. We want that nomination for him so much.

  10. Why are we sending up prayers that our favorite Idols’ names make the Grammy submissions list? What’s the big deal? Isn’t this submitted by their own labels? Isn’t it basically guaranteed that if their albums even sold halfway decently (or even if not (see Jordin)), their label would still submit their name? The only interesting thing on the lists would probably be what songs are submitted and what categories the Idols and their songs are submitted in,

    Exactly. It just gives you an idea on what and what NOT to expect come nomination time. For example, don’t expect (insert Idol) to get a nomination for Best Rap Album if his/her album was just submitted to Best Pop Album and so on. The same song and album cannot be submitted to more than one genre.

  11. Cook should be submitted by his label for Best New Artist. Happily, Lady Gaga is not eligible this year because she was submitted last year.

  12. Why are we sending up prayers that our favorite Idols’ names make the Grammy submissions list?

    Well, to be honest, this list isn’t the one I’m ultimately talking about. But I’m a very superstitious person, so I’m trying not to jinx anything.

  13. Idols that SHOULD be eligible for Best New Artist: David Cook, David Archuleta, Brooke White, Michael Johns, Melinda Doolittle

    Idols that may or may not have been submitted: LaKisha Jones, Amanda Overmyer (not sure if anyone else?)

  14. Can ‘Crush’ get nominated for this year?

    I’m not an expert on Grammy rules, but I don’t think so. It was submitted last year.

    Since he was not nominated for anything last year, he could still be submitted for Best New Artist. Also, his album and second single are open for submissions.

    “Crush” was submitted for Record of the Year, Song of the Year, Best Male Pop Performance

    Exactly. It just gives you an idea on what and what NOT to expect come nomination time.

    Yep. And if an artist has more than one eligible song, the label might select the one it thinks has the best shot at winning. Plus, if your label doesn’t submit you at all, that’s kind of telling.

    Will Cook be submitted as a Pop Artist or a Rock Artist? Might give us an idea of how his next album will be situated.

  15. I expect Carrie to get nominated (and win, of course) for Female Country Vocals and her duet with Randy Travis for I Told You So

  16. Melinda’s album is called Coming Back To You.

    I really hope she’s nominated!

  17. The entry deadline for this round is October 9 according to other sites. That means that not everyone eligible to vote may have received their forms yet.

    Once that is done, from my understanding, the field gets cut to about 25 in order to be trimmed down further in committees, who then decide who the five nominated in each category are. The voting members again vote from those five for the winner.

  18. My heart would break for Cook, if he didn’t end up on the list.

    I’m sure he’ll be on the list of submissions, multiple times, in fact, but the sentiment holds. At the risk of sounding like an overinvested fan (let’s face it, I am, a little) my heart would absolutely break a little if DC doesn’t get a nomination. Yikes, this is WAY too early for me to start worrying about the Grammy’s! I’ve come to be relatively zen over a lot of DC-things these days, because no matter how radio play, sales, or singles releases pan out, I KNOW he’s going to have a career, I KNOW his band is awesome, I KNOW his tour is and continues to be successful, I KNOW he’s going to get a second album, and I KNOW it’s going to be AWESOME (heh, I do!). These are the things I know with certainty, and they help to reassure me that any other worries about potential stupid label decisions or whatever, don’t matter that much anymore. But the one thing that DOES matter a lot, and what I cannot help but care about, a lot, is the Grammy’s. OMG, I don’t know if I can handle this!

    Will Cook be submitted as a Pop Artist or a Rock Artist? Might give us an idea of how his next album will be situated.

    Honestly, in additon to crossing all my digits for a BNA nomination, in my wildest dreams, I’m hoping DC can pull a John Mayer and get noms for both Best Male Pop Vocal Performance and Best Solo Rock Vocal Performance. JM won both last year- “Say” was pop and “Gravity” was rock.

    I could see something like TOML or Permanent be classified as pop (the album version is decidedly not rock), and Light On be rock… but again, I am DREAMING wildly. I’d be thrilled if DC got one nomination ANYWHERE.

    Anyone have a list of all the categories? I actually have no idea what all the minor categories are, cuz there are so many.

    Another question: so the Grammy’s were on Febuary 8th last year, and nominations came out December 3rd. They January 31st this year, so I’m guessing we should expect the list of nominees to come out late November to early December? Gonna try not to give myself a heart attack before then…

  19. Not only do I think David Cook will be nominated for Best New Artist, I think he has a real shot at winning it, especially considering GaGa (who was submitted last year) and Kings of Leon (who had a few albums prior to them breaking out into mainstream juggernauts) wont be eligible for this category. If you look at the new artists of the past year or so, the only ones that really stand out are Keri Hilson, Kid Cudi, Asher Roth, Zac Brown Band, and David Cook. I like Dave’s odds, though I’m not getting my hopes up.

  20. Why are we sending up prayers that our favorite Idols’ names make the Grammy submissions list? What’s the big deal?

    Well if you are not submitted then you can’t be nominated, so submission is the first step. So small deal, but yay anyway, right? Nobody is buying tickets for the nose bleed seats for the great unwashed or wrangling to be a seat filler. I don’t get this un fan thing going around. Can’t be excited for Kris and his first single, or Adam on Amazon, or a Grammy submission……

  21. Will Cook be submitted as a Pop Artist or a Rock Artist? Might give us an idea of how his next album will be situated.

    I strongly suspect Cook will go Pop in most categories. There’s a chance they may submit Bar-ba-Sol in Best Rock Vocal Performance (Solo), but I expect the album, LO, CBTM and Permanent to be submitted in the Pop Vocal categories. (And yes there is tons of precedent for this – Coldplay is another recent example I can think of that has had submissions split between the Rock/Pop genre categories). However, I wouldn’t say that’s necessarily an indication of how his next album will lean – for one thing there’s a good chance they will evolve his positioning as a band rather than a solo act with album #2, which could make it a more clear-cut submission to Rock next year. I’m actually not someone who thinks Cook’s next effort is going to be decidedly harder rock next time – I actually wouldn’t be surprised if they try to go for a sound that will appeal more to CHR. But that being said, I wouldn’t take the fact that Cook will be submitted for Male Pop Vocal Performance this year as indication of where they’re targeting his sound next time.

    ETA: sma11ie, the Grammy nominations will be announced December 2nd at a televised “concert special.” It’s a pretty boring affair actually – they announce nominees in some key categories with a couple of performances by some past Grammy winners, but the full list will be announed after the show via press release.

  22. i think cook is a safe bet for a BNA nom. this isn’t meant to be a diss, but BNA is looking really, really….really weak this year. many of the prognosticators have cook on the BNA shortlist, so that’s exciting. if he manages it, he’d be only the second idol (carrie won of course) to be nommed for it, i think.

  23. Yay for Melinda, Ruben and Jordin! Hope they end up with a nomination.

    Would Kris’ song be eligible or would he have to wait for next year?

  24. But couldn’t David A beat David C out for best new artist? Their popularity seems parallel. Also that new rapper Drake has a lot of buzz around him.

    ETA: Also Leona Lewis may be on the ballad. I don’t think she was considered last year.

  25. But couldn’t David A beat David C out for best new artist? Their popularity seems parallel.

    Buzz wise – I think they’re almost the same with Cook having just a bit more. Neither of them set the world on fire (critically or commercially) though like Carrie did. But as someone mentioned above, the BNA roster is very weak this year and with Lady GaGa out of the picture, the odds are so much better.

  26. ETA: Also Leona Lewis may be on the ballad. I don’t think she was considered last year.

    Leona was submitted last year but was snubbed out of the BNA. She got nods under the Pop categories though and I think for Record of the Year. She’s the perfect example that buzz (biggest single of the year!!!!111) and lobbying do not automatically equal nods.

  27. i love DC but honestly i don’t feel like he deserves a grammy nod just yet. LO and especially CBTM aren’t very grammy worthy nor is the album. he can do better imo

    i don’t see any other S7ers getting any nods. i ‘m more curious about whether kelly, carrie and maybe daughtry get any nods

  28. I think Kelly could get some nomination too, no? MLWSWY was one of the biggest songs of the year, and her album even got some good critics, I believe.

    Would Kris’ song be eligible or would he have to wait for next year?

    LLWD wouldn’t be, but they could submit NB. LOL

    i love DC but honestly i don’t feel like he deserves a grammy nod just yet.

    I think this is the only year he can get a BNA nod. So, it’s now or never for that one. lol

  29. I’d be surprised if Dave did not pull at least one nomination out of the Pop field. I think he has a decent shot with any one of his singles (including Permanent) in Best Male Pop Vocal Performance and he could possibly get the “token male” slot in Best Pop Vocal Album. But I would say he’s far from a safe bet in the General Field, which includes Best New Artist.

    BNA is indeed weak this year, but even still he’s going to have an uphill battle with the Blue Ribbon Committee despite the fact that IMO he’s made a really strong case for himself. He’s fighting against a definite Idol bias (Carrie is the only former Idol contestant even nominated in the past 8 years? Really?), but only 16% of nominees in the past 20 years have been solo males (only two have won – Marc Cohn and John Legend). He’s definitely in contention, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him edged out. We’ll see. I’d love to see it happen.

  30. i love DC but honestly i don’t feel like he deserves a grammy nod just yet. LO and especially CBTM aren’t very grammy worthy nor is the album. he can do better imo

    But, he can’t be a better “best new artist” every year.

    ETA: I have to say, though. His label made such poor choices for the singles, I wouldn’t put it pass them to submit him in categories he has less of a chance in.

  31. i ‘m more curious about whether kelly, carrie and maybe daughtry get any nods

    I think Kelly will be a shoo-in for the Pop categories and if things go right maybe a General Field nomination. Personally, I hope RCA just submits one song (MLWSWY and not IDNHU) under Pop so it will not split the votes for her. Carrie is a Grammy darling, she will get a nod even if she just sings the phone book. Daughtry’s chances will depend on where they will be submitted. They might have a shot for Pop Vocal Group since they usually take one pop/rock song there but if NS was submitted to the Rock categories then I doubt it.

  32. I’m pretty sure that Cook’s album has sold SIGNIFICANTLY more copies than all of the other potential BNA nominees listed. So if commercial success counts for anything, he might have a very good shot.

    Rumor has it that Avalanche and Declaration are both going to be released as radio singles on October 25. Interesting timing. I’m wondering if TPTB are anticipating a nomination and are hoping to create buzz at just the right time. Expect some talk show appearances. Very clever.

  33. Rumor has it that Avalanche and Declaration are both going to be released as radio singles on October 25. Interesting timing. I’m wondering if TPTB are anticipating a nomination and are hoping to create buzz at just the right time. Expect some talk show appearances. Very clever.

    This has been debunked. There’s discussion about it in the latest “headlines” thread.

  34. Another question: so the Grammy’s were on Febuary 8th last year, and nominations came out December 3rd. They January 31st this year, so I’m guessing we should expect the list of nominees to come out late November to early December? Gonna try not to give myself a heart attack before then’ ¦

    Nominations are announced December 2. Whatever is on these list have to go through two more cuts before then.

    It is a week earlier this year since its old date – February 7 in 2010 – would conflict with the Super Bowl (which is also on CBS, and even if it wasn’t, it would be the kiss of death ratings-wise).

  35. Correct me if I’m wrong (and if it was already posted and I missed it), but I don’t think Archuleta can be up for Best New Artist. Having Crush up last year makes him not new in the eyes of the Grammy’s.

  36. This has been debunked. There’s discussion about it in the latest ‘headlines’  thread.

    Hmmm. I would agree that it has not been proven yet, but thoroughly debunked? Not so sure about that either. Besides, my source, at least for the Avalanche portion of the rumor, is definitely not Wikepedia.

  37. Hmmm. I would agree that it has not been proven yet, but thoroughly debunked? Not so sure about that either. Besides, my source, at least for the Avalanche portion of the rumor, is definitely not Wikepedia.

    They’re going to be released on a Sunday?

  38. suenigma
    September 28, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    This has been debunked. There’s discussion about it in the latest ‘headlines’  thread.

    Hmmm. I would agree that it has not been proven yet, but thoroughly debunked? Not so sure about that either. Besides, my source, at least for the Avalanche portion of the rumor, is definitely not Wikepedia.

    I don’t pretend to know where your RUMOR came from. It started, from what I can tell in Wikipedia, and it is gone from there. I’d be delighted that we’d finally know his next single, but I have to admit I’d be a wee bit disappointed that it isn’t a more rocking song. We’ve all heard the ballad and power ballad from him. I’m still holding out hope for Declaration or Heroes…I’d prefer Heroes but could never complain either way. Oh and Avalanche is my #1 favorite on his album. Lie, from what I can tell, is the popular favorite…means not one fucking thing, obviously, in the eyes of RCA. So in essence, I just want another single.

  39. Oh and to those who say the labels submit people, well I’ve seen no less than 8 people ecstatic that they got on the ballot at all. Yeah, I follow some pretty obscure peeps, but as David cook has said, there’s so many out there better than me. This makes me think that a ballot entry isn’t even a given.

  40. Hmmm. I would agree that it has not been proven yet, but thoroughly debunked? Not so sure about that either. Besides, my source, at least for the Avalanche portion of the rumor, is definitely not Wikepedia.

    They’re going to be released on a Sunday?

    No, No. The dual release and Oct 25th date came from Wiki, so who knows. Avalanche, Mid-October is another rumor I heard, significantly prior to the whole Wiki thing. The Wiki rumor just solidified the first rumor for me.

  41. BNA is looking really, really’ ¦.really weak this year. many of the prognosticators have cook on the BNA shortlist, so that’s exciting.

    Really, “many”? I’ve only seen like two, and I’m pretty sure one of them was from some entertainment gossip site, like Access Hollywood or something. Are there other really many serious music awards prognosticators naming DC? Just trying to manage expectations for myself…

    i love DC but honestly i don’t feel like he deserves a grammy nod just yet. LO and especially CBTM aren’t very grammy worthy nor is the album. he can do better imo

    I agree he can do better as well, but I wouldn’t say that he doesn’t deserve a NOD. I honestly don’t think he’d win, but I desperately want for him to get a nod. I think all the past Idol winners have been nominated except Taylor. So yeah, I’d be hella bummed if he isn’t nominated anywhere. And whether he deserves a nod depends on the field. I could argue that the Jonas Brothers didn’t deserve a nod last year, but then I’d have a gillion teenage girls threatening to tear me up ;).

    I’m pretty sure that Cook’s album has sold SIGNIFICANTLY more copies than all of the other potential BNA nominees listed. So if commercial success counts for anything, he might have a very good shot.

    But the Grammy’s are like the Oscar’s. Box office and sales don’t really count that much.

    Bottom line, I am optimistically pessimistic. Heh. Who all are the potential buzz-worthy best male vocal contenders? I don’t think John Mayer or Jason Mraz has newly released songs contending this year.

    Kelly is a shoe-in for a couple pop categories, at least.

  42. I don’t know much about the Grammys, but if whoever is in charge of submissions messes this up for Cook, I’m going to have to cut somebody.

  43. Is Taylor Swift a possibility for BNA? Didn’t her album come out about the same time as Cook?

    Or was she around prior to her last album? I would go look it up but honestly don’t care enough about her. I just think her smash hit multi-platinum selling (autotuned) album would guarantee her a win in that category

    ETA: Got the answer. Didn’t have a clue she’d been around since 2006. Thanks.

  44. No, No. The dual release and Oct 25th date came from Wiki, so who knows. Avalanche, Mid-October is another rumor I heard, significantly prior to the whole Wiki thing. The Wiki rumor just solidified the first rumor for me.

    Hmm, “Lie” is the better song, and I thought they might have learned a lesson when they released both “Come Back to Me” and “Bar-ba-sol” together only to have “Bar-ba-sol” sink like a rock with absolutely no promotion at all, no big performances, no videos, no nuthin. Everywhere he went, he never mentioned it, even though it’s clear he likes the song a lot more than “Come Back to Me.” Are they going to do THAT again? I sure hope not.

  45. I don’t know much about the Grammys, but if whoever is in charge of submissions messes this up for Cook, I’m going to have to cut somebody.

    Agreed. I could see DC getting a nod for best male pop vocal and/or male rock vocal… but if the label chooses the wrong song to submit, or puts too many songs on the list (using the see what sticks formula) such that he starts competing with himself and loses out on the nom… I will seriously lose all faith in RCA. And be depressed for a while. Haha, so emo.

  46. If you put this in American Idol terms, here is the Grammy process:

    Initial submission – Done in August by labels, basically submitting an application. Think of that as the first audition cattle call.

    Initial screening – Done in late August and early September by the Recording Academy. Not judged by merit, but screens out those ineligible (i.e. not released on time) and those in the wrong genres are moved to set the official entry lists. Think of those are the producers’ rounds.

    First ballot – This is the stage we are at now. All the official entry lists are sent out to everyone eligible to vote (I wish we were!). The votes are due on October 9. Think of that as the judges’ round.

    Second screening – This takes place after all the first balloting is in and lasts into November, and is done by the Academy and music professionals. I believe the top 25 in the first ballot in each category continue to this round, which sets the nominations. Think of that as Hollywood week.

    Nominations and final ballot – On December 2, the Academy announces the nominations in each category (usually 5 in each). The voting members get another ballot here, only with the top 5 and they choose the winners. Think of this as the voting rounds of Idol.

    Awards show – The winners are announced on January 31 as the top vote-getter in each category. Think of this as the finals.

  47. I could see Cookie maybe getting nominated for BNA, perhaps. But he ain’t gonna win. I think he might do okay in the categories, especially for vocal performance. It depends on how they submit him. Archie could get a vocal performance nod too if he’s elligible.

    I wanna see Melinda Doolitle get something. I know its a longshot, but she could really use the attention.

    I think Kelly has a great shot at a nomination for something. I have no idea with Daughtry though.

  48. Ever since the Jonas Brothers got nominated for BNA last year while Leona Lewis got snubbed for it I no longer have any faith in the voting process.

  49. I think this is the only year he can get a BNA nod. So, it’s now or never for that one. lol

    i don’t think that’s true. i remember i think it was shelby lynne or some other country singer who won best new artist one year despite having been in the business for quite some time (&several albums in). i don’t exactly know how it works but i definetly remember her making fun of that in her acceptance speech

  50. Do I think Cook will get a BNA nod? Outside chance. Do I think he deserves a Grammy nod in general? Yup. I would hold Permanent, both the album and charity versions, up to anything submitted by any artist in a comparable category and be hard pressed to find it lacking. Plus if Cook’s career lasts five more months, five more years or fifteen or whatever, I think that one song in particular at the very least will be counted amongst his best work.

  51. Category 1: Record of the Year:
    Jordin Sparks: ‘Battlefield’ 
    Ruben Studdard: ‘Together’ 

    Category 2: Album of the Year:
    Jordin Sparks: ‘Battlefield’ 

    wut. lol are they serious? not gonna happen

  52. i love DC but honestly i don’t feel like he deserves a grammy nod just yet. LO and especially CBTM aren’t very grammy worthy nor is the album. he can do better imo

    LO and CBTM probably don’t deserve nominations as songs, but I think as an artist, David deserves the nomination as much as anyone else. I don’t know the criteria for best male vocalist and best new artist but I think it’s based on more than just your singles. Otherwise people with amazing voices like Adele wouldn’t win (or do people really think the songs on her album were that good?) Also, even if people don’t like Light On, I still think it’s a great vocal performance (plus there are a lot of other great songs on his album like Permanent). Similarly, Archie also could get a nom…not based on his album but probably based on the talent he has shown throughout the year as well as the buzz.

    I agree with Smallie and others…I’m OK with Cook’s singles not taking the world by storm, but I would be kind of sad if he didn’t get a BNA or a Best male vocalist nomination. I’ve heard a lot of names tossed around for new artists, but I don’t think any of them desrve the shot any more than Cook. What do people think of the other artists being mentioned? I’m just curious…

  53. I don’t know the criteria for best male vocalist and best new artist but I think it’s based on more than just your singles.

    Unfortunately, I checked and I don’t think there’s a best male vocalist category. The Best Vocal Grammy’s are all song (performance) specific, so you gotta name a song/single for the submission. So yeah, it looks like TOML (is that eligible?), LO, CBTM, Permanent are the options?

  54. Melinda’s album is called Coming Back To You.

    I really hope she’s nominated!

    Yes, there must be a mistake with the album title, unless “Addiction” was done by another former Idol. I hope, too, that Melinda can get nominated. She is awesome.

  55. I’ve followed the Grammy’s for years, since I was a kid. Don’t ask. One of those weird tics of mine. LOL. They are a notoriously frustrating institution, not as bad as the Emmy’s, though. In recent years, they have revamped their nomination process and it has helped diversify the field, bring in more critical darlings, give attention to a wider net of artists and genres. Having said that, the winners tend to be usually the least envelope pushing within their respective categoy, particularly in the big categories. Occasionally, they do surprise, though. What has always made certain award shows frustrating for me is some awards actually DO matter, rightly or not. They can have a impact and, whether earned or not, can symbolize a certain level of accomplishment and/or legitimacy.

    The BNA category has long been one I’ve found the most frustrating. Trust me, the Jonas Bros getting nominated was not the most egregious mistake to ever happen in that category. There have been many.

  56. I thought deep album cuts are open to submission and not just the released singles? I’ve always assumed Cook’s people would submit BBS in the rock vocal category, for example, figured it’s a no brainer…especially after they threw it out there with CBTM. As such, I’ve long considered Permanent and BBS to be his best shots at a vocal performance Grammy nod, or a Grammy nod in general. Since Avalanche has come up, I actually think the album version of that tune is a flawless vocal, sexy and lovely and best vocal on the album outside of Permanent, even, but I never imagined it being submitted because, sadly, recent rumors aside, thus far it’s gotten no attention from the label (unless you count charting in the Phillipines…)

    ETA: Totes agree re: the frustrating BNA nods. Hard to forget that once upon a time, Milli Vanilli won BNA, peeps, and I think Jason Mraz also failed to score a nod back in the day, so yeah.

  57. Unfortunately, I checked and I don’t think there’s a best male vocalist category. The Best Vocal Grammy’s are all song (performance) specific, so you gotta name a song/single for the submission.

    That sucks…goes to show how little I know! Can Permanent be submitted…or do the Grammy’s generally only consider songs released as singles that get to chart for a while?

  58. One comment on the voting process described by itsalleternal above – this pertains only to the General Field Categories (BNA, Album, Song, and Record of the Year). There is no committee review of nominees for non-GF categories. In the genre fields the top 5 vote-getters from the initial ballot are selected as nominees.

    And sunchick is correct – the Grammys make no distinction between “singles” and “tracks.” Any song submitted for consideration and deemed eligible under Grammy rules can be nominated. They don’t care whether a song was played on the radio or not, though in most categories having a widely-recognized song is certainly an advantage, and thus singles may be more likely to garner nominations than deep album tracks.

  59. Is Taylor Swift a possibility for BNA? Didn’t her album come out about the same time as Cook?

    She’s already been nominated but lost to Amy Winehouse I think? That’s when her album sales skyrocketed

  60. Can you get nominated even if your album sales sucked (i.e < GOLD or PLATINUM)

  61. my fingers are SO CROSSED for MindyDoo. her album is well produced, wonderfully sung, and largely overlooked. Hope this leak isn’t wrong, because even if she can’t win if she’s up against superstars, I sure hope she can some much deserved attention from the nomination…..

  62. Can you get nominated even if your album sales sucked (i.e < GOLD or PLATINUM)

    Absolutely. Critical darlings often sell below Gold, and people don’t consider their sales as necessarily “sucky”. It’s like the Oscar equivalent of the arthouse films.

    And sunchick is correct ‘“ the Grammys make no distinction between ‘singles’  and ‘tracks.’  Any song submitted for consideration and deemed eligible under Grammy rules can be nominated. They don’t care whether a song was played on the radio or not, though in most categories having a widely-recognized song is certainly an advantage, and thus singles may be more likely to garner nominations than deep album tracks.

    Yeah, which is why it’ll be interesting to see which track(s) RCA submits for DC for best male pop/rock vocal performance. That may be crucial to his getting a nod.

  63. Artists who sell less than Gold or Platinum get nominated all the time. Big sales help garner attention and sometimes wins, but the Grammy’s are, in theory, about artistic achievement. I’d be curious to see how Herbie Hancock’s Joni Mitchell project album sold before he was nominated a couple years back and then went on to WIN Album of the Year. Or Steely Dan before that.

  64. I will NEVER forget the year Melissa Etheridge and Milli-Vanilli (sp?) were nominated for BNA – and GUESS WHO WON? I about fell off the couch, swearing the whole time….

    SOOOO anyway…COOK FTMFW! hee. OK, for the nom. nom nom nom. Seriously, a nomination would be NICE. A WIN would be even better, of course. Best Male Vocal Performance for SOMEthing, come on folks. I’ve listened to so much Cook, MWK, et al this year, I can hardly think of anything else. But I HAVE listened to lots more new music lately, because of Cook. I just can’t think of anything better to listen to though than Cook & Band. Or see LIVE. Yay.

  65. Can you get nominated even if your album sales sucked (i.e < GOLD or PLATINUM)

    Absolutely – even if it only sold a handful independently it can be submitted, although your chances of a nomination are pretty slim.

  66. Can you get nominated even if your album sales sucked (i.e < GOLD or PLATINUM)

    And there’s the AI perspective. This looks like an assumption that your album sucked if it didn’t sell whatever…Grammy’s aren’t about that. Many new artists outsold Adele last year when she was nominated and won, including David Cook’s maybe even Archuleta’s but TBH I didn’t follow his.

    ETA to say that Lady Gaga isn’t even qualified in the category…something we’d all know if we read previous posts.

  67. be careful what you wish/ask for in regard to the ”best new artist’ grammy… like houstonrufus, i’ve been a faithful follower of the grammy’s for years, and the bna has been called the ”kiss of death” award for as long as i can remember… found an article written in 2002 in my notes about it for your reading pleasure – excerpted below, read more at the link…. happy noms! or not :)

    And The Best New Artist, A.K.A. “The Kiss Of Death” Grammy Goes To …’
    Current nominees should perhaps be wary of winning an award that often leads to career slides.

    By Joe D’Angelo

    ……….. Of the genre-spanning “big four” awards ‘” Album of the Year, Record of the Year, Song of the Year (given to the songwriters) and Best New Artist ‘” expectations hang heaviest on the latter. Like the Rookie of the Year or Heisman Trophy, the Best New Artist award, while recognizing a stellar year, is viewed as a predictor of bigger and better things. And while some have used the honor as a stepping stone, the careers of others have sunk under its weight.

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1452602/20020225/keys_alicia.jhtml

  68. Otherwise people with amazing voices like Adele wouldn’t win (or do people really think the songs on her album were that good?)

    Yes. Simply, yes.

    I can’t imagine that David Cook would not get a nomination. I just can’t imagine it at all. But the Academy Awards left Eddie Vedder out of the nominations for the “Into the Wild” soundtrack…so stranger things have occurred.

  69. I actually think Melinda Doolittle stands a solid chance at getting a nomination in one of the R&B categories. The Grammy’s have broken those categories down further into Traditional, Contemporary, etc. So you won’t see, usually, singers like Gladys Knight or Patti LaBelle or Anita Baker going up against the likes of Beyonce or Keri Hilson, that is if they stay with the new breakdown. And everyone knows Melinda can sing her butt off. I can see her scoring a nomination or two in the Traditional R&B categories. And these are other categories where sales don’t matter that much.

    The BNA is a funny animal. More than most of the categories, it seems vulnerable to “fads” and “flavor of the moment” and commercial successes. How else to explain the go to Grammy punch-line, Milli Vanilli?

  70. itsalleternal
    September 28, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    No Idols that I can find, but I found two more links:

    Best Traditional Gospel Album (#55)

    All the Jazz categories (#44-49)

    I’d have to guess not expected in those categories, but I appreciate your diligence. Thanks!

  71. Uhm.. Lady Gaga will win Best New Artist. So.. yeah.

    She’s not eligible because she got nominated for Just Dance last year or something like that. I agree if she was eligible, the award would be hers.

    There’s also this Drake dude that has buzz maybe for bna..

    Unless he was on Idol nobody here cares. LOL. But I’m sure he’s a hot topic on the Degrassi message boards. Heh.

    Seriously, I don’t know if he’ll get a nod off a single and a mixtape. Though he has crazy buzz. I think Keri Hilson is the one sho-in this year, after that perhaps Zac Brown Band? After that I have no idea.

  72. I guess this whole thing is that there’s so much amazing music out there. That’s actually what I love about the Grammy’s. Until this year, however, I’ve little concerned myself with the mainstream categories. I’ve been delighted that Michelle Malone has gotten two nods in Americana…that Bela Fleck has won, etc. This whole thing isn’t narrow and I find myself delighted at the less than mainstream nominees/winners.

  73. I think the Zac Brown Band and Keri Hilson are good bets. I’ve noticed in recent years, it seems more of a pick one from each genre kind of thing. So you have your country singer, your R&B singer, your out of nowhere critical darling, your rock band, and your commercial success artist. This is not full proof, obviously, just kind of a trend I’ve noticed.

  74. itsalleternal
    September 28, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    Found another category (Best Reggae Album ‘“ #73), no help for the Idols though.

    Still need to find the genres the Idols are in! (Should be some in Pop, R&B, Rock, Country and Gospel)

    And we all have proof what the judges think of Reggae. I’m sorry Jason, you so didn’t deserve that treatment.

  75. i’ve been a faithful follower of the grammy’s for years, and the bna has been called the ‘ kiss of death’  award for as long as i can remember’ ¦

    Some break the curse. Carrie’s career seems to be doing okay (2007). Maroon 5 (2005), and Norah Jones (2003), Alicia Keys (2002) and Christina Aguilera (2000) also seem to have maintained a career. The Beatles also survived, for a while.

    There have been a lot of mis-hits with the BNA though.

  76. Also found Best Zydeco/Cajun Album ‘“ #72, again no Idols.

    That will be the day that Simon lets a Zydeco artist through to the voting rounds on Idol. If he doesn’t get Country, he’s not going to get Zydeco.

    Thanks for finding all the great links!

  77. You’re welcome! This is earlier than normal, but I find more suspence in having to find them one by one rather than the Academy leaking the whole list right away…last year it wasn’t until mid-October when we got anything (the whole leaked lists!).

    So far, 10 entire categories (out of 109) have been found.

  78. a list of bna winners from the 2000’s… Of the 48 awards presented in the category since its inception, the honor has been presented to 22 solo female artists, 15 duos or groups, and 11 solo male artists.

    Between 1997 and 2004, all the winners were solo female artists. Also, for 14 years, no winner was a solo male artist. In 2006, John Legend broke this trend, which started with Marc Cohn in 1992. The only winner of American Idol to be nominated for this award also won it: Carrie Underwood in 2007. Only four artists have won both Best New Artist and Album of the Year in the same year: Bob Newhart in 1961, Christopher Cross in 1981, Lauryn Hill in 1999 and Norah Jones in 2003.

    Year Winner
    2009 Adele
    2008 Amy Winehouse
    2007 Carrie Underwood
    2006 John Legend
    2005 Maroon 5
    2004 Evanescence
    2003 Norah Jones
    2002 Alicia Keys
    2001 Shelby Lynne
    2000 Christina Aguilera

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Best_New_Artist

  79. Aren’t The Script, Parachute, and Carolina Liar eligible for BNA? All 3 are debut artists and have had songs chart on the radio charts this year. The Script, in particular, has some buzz (and not just because of LLWD). Anyway, I’ll be happy as long as David Cook is nominated for something, since even just a nomination allows you to add “Grammy award nominated artist” to your name.

  80. Aren’t The Script, Parachute, and Carolina Liar eligible for BNA? All 3 are debut artists and have had songs chart on the radio charts this year.

    Not sure what the rules on them is, but I believe they all are eligible.

  81. Interesting, ggdoorsfan. Thanks for that.

    Cathy, I think a nomination for an idol their first year is a terrific achievement.

  82. I would think Carolina Liar has a bigger shot that Parachute. The Script (along with the Killers and pre-“Use Somebody” Kings of Leon) are one of those bands considered on the verge of breaking big, so I could kinda see their label not submitting them until next year.

    Um, who the hell is Janet? LOL

  83. I’m sorry, I just don’t think the Davids deserve to get nomminations

  84. It’s all good terps, different strokes for different folks. Certainly they both meet the sales success criteria, Cook for his album (1.3 million sold) and Archie for his single (is it going on double platinum?). And in terms of quality, I would say that Lie and Permanent are MORE than eligible, and Crush is an outstanding pop song.

  85. If massive sales contributed to getting a nomination no way would Adele have been nominated much less win.

    Is Cobra Starship eligible? They’ve developed some buzz due to Good Girls Go Bad.

  86. I would think Carolina Liar has a bigger shot that Parachute. The Script

    Agreed, although is Carolina Liar eligible? I’d throw 3OH!3 in there as far as breakout bands go (they’re my guilty pleasure), maybe Cobra Starship. Parachute…meh. I see Cook getting a nod before Parachute and deserving it. Or even his touring mates GRO, who I think are on the verge of breaking out. The Ting Tings do get a lot of critical love.

    Honestly, though, I’d be more excited if Permanent got a nod for something than Cook nabbing a BNA nom. I just think that song is speshul and is highly deserving of critical acclaim. I’d hate to see some sort of AI generic album blah blah blah bias cause it to get overlooked.

  87. I’m sorry, I just don’t think the Davids deserve to get nomminations

    I disagree for the following reason. I’ve seen so many “artists” get awards who can’t actually sing — let alone play instruments or compose. “Artists” who can’t get by without autotune. “Artists” who are all flash and dance and sparkles. One thing we know about both Archuleta and Cook is that they can sing — and sing multiple genres — better than a lot of people who are idolized out in the “real world.”

  88. One thing we know about both Archuleta and Cook is that they can sing ‘” and sing multiple genres ‘” better than a lot of people who are idolized out in the ‘real world.’ 

    Not to mention that both David’s write/cowrite songs, and play instruments. They are all around musicians, not fake music industry creations. If the Grammys are awarded for artistry and talent, the Davids certainly have that as much as Milli Vanilli and the Jonas Brothers do.

  89. Anyway, I’ll be happy as long as David Cook is nominated for something, since even just a nomination allows you to add ‘Grammy award nominated artist’  to your name.

    Same here. Just one nomination would make me happy. He doesn’t have to win but I’d like him to be in the audience and on the red carpet :)

  90. Uhh so yeah I will pretty much have to hurt someone if DC isn’t nominated haha jk but seriously I will be shocked if David isn’t nominated for at least 1 category…he definitely deserves it. =)

  91. i just hope adam will do great and be nominated for BNA (or other) next year

  92. Meh, I don’t think DC and his generic album deserves a nomination anywhere but there have been worse artists nominated so whatever. LOL. This year pretty much sucks for new artists anyway, Lady GaGa would’ve owned that category easily if she was eligible. It’s kinda nuts that she isn’t eligible, coz JB was nominated last year and they have been around for much longer. Maybe they can change the rules somehow coz Lady GaGa is obviously the best new commercial artist of the year, just basing it on overall impact and quality of work.

  93. Maybe they can change the rules somehow coz Lady GaGa is obviously the best new commercial artist of the year, just basing it on overall impact and quality of work.

    That’s where mileage varies. I’d much rather see a group like the Script get it over Lady Gaga no matter how much commercial success she’s had.

  94. That’s where mileage varies. I’d much rather see a group like the Script get it over Lady Gaga no matter how much commercial success she’s had.

    As I said, I was also basing it on quality of work, coz imho, Lady GaGa’s album was one of the best if not the best in her genre last year. I mean, of course, if we’re going to talk mainstream artists. There are of course far better fishes in the indie pool.

    And also, Lady GaGa’s album wasn’t just a commercial success, it also got very good reviews across the board. Her reviews were also drastically better than the reviews The Script, David Cook or Carolina Liar got for their debut albums. So for me, hands down if we’re gonna be looking at commercial and critical success, Lady GaGa OWNS Best New Artist. But as you said, the mileage varies.

  95. Maybe they can change the rules somehow coz Lady GaGa is obviously the best new commercial artist of the year, just basing it on overall impact and quality of work.

    She should have been nominated for BNA last year. Since she was nominated for an award last year, the Grammy people knew about her. The snub occurred last year.

    The Script may be on our radar, but they are so far below most people’s radar, I wouldn’t submit for BNA this year if I were them. I’d submit next year if they get a hit with real traction (or wait until they finish their next album). Feist was well-known in the Indie circuit and had pushed a large number of CDs internationally (and won awards in Canada), but didn’t submit until 2007 when “Mushaboom” and “1234” really got her noticed. The trick to winning BNA is not to submit too soon (but don’t wait too late either). Lots of people were critical when Carrie Underwood was nominated for BNA since she’d hat a #1 Hot 100 Hit the year before and should have been nominated then. She wouldn’t have won with that one song and no album, though.

    IDK, maybe they’ll change the rules for Gaga (Beyonce’s “Single Ladies” submission was accepted last year even though it was released after the deadline), but she hardly needs the award. I’m sure she’ll get lots of other nominations.

  96. im a cookie fan and LOVE the guy i really do but doubt that he’ll WIN a grammy this/next year atleast NOT with his debut album, the same goes for archie.

  97. That’s where mileage varies. I’d much rather see a group like the Script get it over Lady Gaga no matter how much commercial success she’s had.

    Me too. But then she’s not my cup of tea. I agree though that the Script might be wise to wait until next year to submit. Maybe, I dunno.

    RCA could have submitted David Cook’s Time of My Life last year, but wisely didn’t, and now he’s still eligible for BNA nomination.

  98. I haven’t found any new full submissions today (although many individual acts – mostly small and non-Idol – are mentioning it on their profiles, the list is still not yet leaked).

    Sometimes it is the Academy that leaks it, other times voting members leak it on their own pages.

  99. Category 1 – Record of the Year (721 entries)

    “A Little Too Not Over You” – David Archuleta
    “Already Gone” – Kelly Clarkson
    “Come Back To Me” – David Cook
    “Light On” – David Cook
    “Life After You” – (Chris) Daughtry
    “Declaration of Love” – Melinda Doolittle
    “It’s Your Love” – Melinda Doolittle
    “Heart On My Sleeve” – Michael Johns
    “Sad Song” – Blake Lewis
    “Had It All” – Katharine McPhee
    “Blessings” – Tatiana Nicole (Del Toro), song can be found here
    “Battlefield” – Jordin Sparks
    “Song For Her” – Ruben Studdard
    “Together” – Ruben Studdard
    “I Told You So” – Carrie Underwood/Randy Travis
    “Just A Dream” – Carrie Underwood
    “When We Were One” – Brooke White
    “Fight For Love” – Elliott Yamin

  100. Category 2 – Album of the Year (565 entries)

    David Archuleta – David Archuleta
    All I Ever Wanted – Kelly Clarkson
    David Cook – David Cook
    Leave This Town – (Chris) Daughtry
    Coming Back To You – Melinda Doolittle
    Hold Back My Heart – Michael Johns
    Time 3:16 – Tatiana Nicole (Del Toro)
    Battlefield – Jordin Sparks
    High Hopes and Heartbreak – Brooke White
    Fight For Love – Elliott Yamin

  101. Category 3 – Song of the Year (730 entries)

    Awarded to the songwriters – only Idols on the credits are listed, and Idols credited with writing other songs are also listed

    “Already Gone” (Kelly Clarkson) – Kelly Clarkson/Ryan Tedder
    “Blessings” (Tatiana Nicole) – Tatiana Nicole Del Toro
    “Had It All” (Katharine McPhee) – Kara DioGuardi/Mitch Allen/David Hodges
    “Here Comes Goodbye” (Rascal Flatts) – Chris Sligh/Clint Lagerberg
    “Life After You” (Daughtry) – Chris Daughtry et. al.
    “A Little Too Not Over You” (David Archuleta) – David Archuleta et. al.
    “Not Meant To Be” (Theory of a Deadman) – Kara DioGuardi et. al.
    “Seriously” (Crosby Loggins) – Kara DioGuardi/Crosby Loggins et. al.
    “Sober” (Pink) – Kara DioGuardi/Alecia Moore et. al.

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