Crystal Bowersox Announces First Single ‘Hold On’ (But She Doesn’t Seem Very Happy About It)

Crystal Bowersox announced her first single at a VH1 taping this morning.

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According to a tweet from MTV’s  Jim Cantillo, her first single from her debut album, Farmers Daughter will be “Hold On” written by Chad Kroeger (Nickleback) and Kara DioGuardi.

Jim says the song  “sounds GREAT.”

Mm.  Crystal’s single is not a co-write….

Crystal is at VH1 taping an acoustic performance where she is singing 4 songs, including 3 originals with her band.  She introduced her new drummer, Chad Szeilega of Breaking Benjamin, on twitter this morning.

Farmers Daughter drops December 14.

3rd Update: Read Jim Cantiello’s review of today’s performance at VH1.  Crystal also performed “Farmers Daughter”, “Ridin’ With the Radio” and a cover of Ray Lamontagne’s “Jolene”. The VH1 higher-ups believe so strongly in Crystal they are REALLY eager to promote her (for reals!)

Fun side note: Mamasox introduced the song — which tackles alcoholism and child abuse — by joking that it was her first single. “No wait, that’s ‘Hold On, ‘ right Joe?” she quipped to Jive bigwig Joe Riccitelli, seen grinning through his teeth on the sidelines.

“Hold On” jokes aside, Riccitelli practically exploded with pride when introducing his recent acquisition. He read a personal e-mail from MTV Chairman and CEO Judy McGrath, who raved about Crystal’s recent performance at a “Girl Up” charity event, comparing Bowersox’s stage presence and talent to artists as varied as Taylor Swift and Eminem. Whoa!

2nd Update: Crystal Bowersox tells a fan on twitter that she “can’t even speak about” the fact that her song is not a co-write. And then she tweets, “If you can’t say something nice, just keep your mouth shut and think about furry pink bunnies. Memo to self.”  Crystal also gave her fans permission to spam the label to change the song to a co-write. Seriously? A terrible idea that ain’t going to work.

UPDATE! We may have found the “Hold On” Demo from Kara (Jim Cantiello confirms, the demo IS the single) Kara and Chad Kroeger are both lame, but “Hold On” has a great hook. Disappointed she didn’t get a co-write, but I think Crystal can make it work. Jive is looking for a hit. Crystal is an incredible songwriter, but her stuff is not generally super-radio friendly. Artists who come through the Idol system ALWAYS have to compromise.

Thanks Windmills

Audio After the JUMP….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpOLEkR4dC4

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373 Comments

  1. OMG!!!!!!
    I thought Jim C, was joking when he tweeted that. WTF.
    Kara and the nickleback guy, Wow. I guess it’s a good song since Crystal accepted to sing it.

  2. Wow. I thought her first single would at least be co-written by her. Please God, don’t let the song sound like Nickleback…PLEASE!!!

  3. OMG, me too. I thought Jim was joking about the writing credits cuz he loves to hate on Kara No-Boundaries DioGuardi… wow. But he says it sounds great. I’m looking forward to hearing it.

  4. Call me stunned! A “Nickelback/Kara(I got fired from American Idol)” collaboration for Crystal’s first single? Where’s the original? Where’s the organic music? Where’s the trust in her musical genius? Where’s the freaking link so I can hear it. LOL!

  5. Can’t wait to hear it… but i will never understand why these labels won’t let artists have their own songs as first singles

  6. WTH???????? He’s not joking?

    These are not writers I’d expect to put something together worthy of Crystal.

    But I guess I’ll wait until I hear it.

  7. Awesome. And also out of left field. But I like it. No doubt about it that Kroeger has written some hits, as has Kara. Nickelback has a huge fanbase, too. I think her album will have some interesting twists and turns.

    I’m liking the promo for Crystal and the buzz. Like her producer, too. Looking forward to watching this VH1 show.

  8. I’m not a fan of Nickelback at all and Kara’s songs are very hit & miss, so this pairing isn’t encouraging to me. I’m keeping an open mind, though, because both have written hit songs (some of which are also good — not just wildly popular).

    I am very surprised that Crystal didn’t at least co-write her debut single. I thought she said that all the songs on her album were written or co-written by her, but maybe I’m remembering this incorrectly?

    Also it sounds like the label/mgmt are really going to try and make her radio-friendly, rather than just let her do her own organic thing — because neither Kroeger nor Kara pop to mind when thinking of people whose styles are anything like Crystal’s.

    Jim C says it sounds great, so hopefully people will like it.

    ETA: I think we can at least count on the fact that Crystal won’t scream her way through the song — like Chad Kroeger tends to do on Nickelback’s stuff :)

  9. Hi Jive….

    Given I’ve never met a Nickelback song I liked, I don’t have a lot of hope for his side of the duo. Kara’s had her share of hits and misses, but long as she steers clear of NoBo, she’s not too bad.

  10. LOL LOL The irony of this is too much.. but then I tend to find humor in nonsensical situations. I wonder if a writing gig was part of Kara’s contract with AI? Adam.. now Crystal?

  11. What happened to “I wrote all the songs?”

    I will maintain hope it is good — but since I HATE Nickelback, and Kara can never be forgiven for writing the worst pop song ever (NoBo), seeing that Crystal’s first single was written by Chad Kroeger (Nickleback) and Kara DioGuardi does not make be happy!!

    Can’t wait to hear it… but i will never understand why these labels won’t let artists have their own songs as first singles

    Even some Idols have written their first real singles….

    Daughtry co-wrote his first single and that went well.

    Kelly co-wrote Miss Independent — not her first single but the lead single from her debut album.

    And, of course, Lee co-wrote Sweet Serendipity.

    Maybe it is a really great song — and that is way they picked it for Crystal’s single.

  12. To be fair, I think NoBo gave KDG a bum rap, as she’s actually worked on some decent songs. I think “Sober” is fantastic.

    But I can’t think of a single Kroeger co-write that has exceeded “barely tolerable” for me.

    Still, I’ll wait to see how it actually sounds.

  13. jambajim

    #Mamasox sounded awesome! Writing up a little recap of the acoustic gig now. (Relax about the single, folks! She sells the song really well.)

  14. girlygirl: I am very surprised that Crystal didn’t at least co-write her debut single. I thought she said that all the songs on her album were written or co-written by her, but maybe I’m remembering this incorrectly?

    I’m pretty sure she said all but one song on her album is “original” which she defines as something she had a hand in writing. Hold On would therefore by the only song on the album Crystal didn’t cowrite unless Jim accidentally left her name off the writing credits.

  15. I want to thank Jive, Crystal Bowersox, Chad Kroeger and Kara Dioguardi for giving me what has to be the single funniest moment of Season 9. LMAO!!!!

    That said, I still want to hear Crystal’s album the most of everyone’s this year. I can’t wait to hear this song, the curiousity is killing me.

    This is the king of all WTF moments right here. She might have to steal the WTF!Cook title… WTF!Crystal has a nice ring to it.

    :D :D :D

  16. But I can’t think of a single Kroeger co-write that has exceeded “barely tolerable” for me.

    Maybe he wrote the music and not the lyrics?

  17. I am very surprised that Crystal didn’t at least co-write her debut single. I thought she said that all the songs on her album were written or co-written by her, but maybe I’m remembering this incorrectly?

    I remember Crystal saying that she had written all but one song. I might not be remembering right, though. I hate Nickleback, they are so generic to me, so I hope it doesn’t sound like them. Crystal’s style seems so different, so there is hope that her spin will make it good. Kara sucked with No Boundaries, but I loved Sober with Pink and loved Strut with Adam because I think those songs fit both the singer’s personalities. Of course, Pink and Adam were co-writes on their respective songs with Kara. Hopefully the same holds true for this song and Crystal. Hold On was the name of another hit song, right?? I can’t remember by who, but a girl group.

  18. Original crystal vs top 40. This will be interesting indeed. I hate to make predictions so I’ll need to hear it first too.

  19. koshka:
    11/04/2010 at 11:31 am

    LOL LOL The irony of this is too much.. but then I tend to find humor in nonsensical situations. I wonder if a writing gig was part of Kara’s contract with AI? Adam.. now Crystal?

    I doubt it — except for NoBo.

    Kara wrote for many Idols before she was a judge — for example, she co-wrote “I Do Not Hook Up” with Kelly Clarkson and Katy Perry. Many other songs to.

    Odd that Crystal never mentioned working with either of these two in her interviews. Perhaps there will be more surprises.

    I am still stunned that this is her single.

    ETA: ITA this is the ultimate WTF?? moment of AI9!

  20. Hold On was the name of another hit song, right?? I can’t remember by who, but a girl group.

    Wilson Phillips.

    There’s also a Neko Case song with that title which I read as a reference to the big hit (“that echo chorus lied to me”). (And any number of other songs with the title; those are just the ones that come to mind.)

    Odd that Crystal never mentioned working with either of these two in her interviews.

    Well, if she didn’t write it, then she technically didn’t work with them. Some artists give writers notes when they are getting songs written for them. But as she’s a writer, they may not have interacted at all beyond her hearing the demo, or she’d probably have tried to get a credit on it.

  21. Didn’t someone jokingly say that the ONE song she didn’t write would be the first single!! LOL guess even true artists like Crystal are learning all about the fine art of compromising.

  22. I wonder when Jive will release this. The album drops in 6 weeks, so they must be planning to release the single in the next week or two, right?

  23. WTH???????? He’s not joking?

    Haha that was my reaction. When I first saw Jim’s tweet, I thought it was a hilarious joke – the funniest combination that could ever be thought of for an Idol’s songwriters since sounding like Nickelback and Kara’s writing always get soundly trashed on this blog.

    That said, I am always open to hearing what came out of that unlikely writing session…

  24. LOL, tinawina. We could use a WTFCrystal! to go along with WTFCook!

    Well, I will say about Nickleback that I like some of their older stuff. Their new stuff makes my ears bleed. And I do love “Sober” so Kara *can* write a good song.

    I’ll wait to hear it before I rend my garments ;)

  25. When Crystal stated that there would be one cover on her album, I suspected that was going to be her single. This actually isn’t the worse compromise Jive and Crystal could have come up with. Jive gets their radio-friendly first single, Crystal gets her album full of (primarily) originals and pre-idol songs.

    That being said, Crystal is an EXTRAORDINARLY talented songwriter, and I don’t see why she couldn’t co-write something commercial with the normal stall of hit-making professionals. Perhaps Jive already had the song up their sleeve. Perhaps she actually preferred to have something that commercial sounding without her name on it. Perhaps with radio singles, a AI finishers needs to write tons of songs w/ professional songwriters in order to get a radio hit, which she simply didn’t have time for.

    Dioguardi and Kroeger have great hooks, so I’m going to wait to hear the vocals, instrumentation and production before I judge the song. They’ve both written some clunkers, but with the radio-pedigree they both have, the song may be a legitimate hit, who knows.

  26. LOL LOL The irony of this is too much.. but then I tend to find humor in nonsensical situations. I wonder if a writing gig was part of Kara’s contract with AI? Adam.. now Crystal?

    Could be! Just looking through some of her credits, she’s got quite a few Idols on the list, before and after her judging stint. Kelly, Kat, Taylor, Carrie, Adam (not listed but Strut).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_written_by_Kara_DioGuardi

  27. @crystalbowersox Best of luck finishing the album!! Your set left me begging for more. CAN’T WAIT to hear it! #RidinWithTheRadioRULES

    Jamba Jim

    Sounds Crystal also played Ridin With The Radio and it’s his fave.

  28. I want to thank Jive, Crystal Bowersox, Chad Kroeger and Kara Dioguardi for giving me what has to be the single funniest moment of Season 9. LMAO!!!!

    LOL, so true. I mean of all the possible songwriters, I never thought I would see the day that Crystal would sing a nickleback song. But then again, we haven’t heard it yet, so it could be a great song. But it sucks that jive didn’t give her a co-write as a first single. She’s a great songwriter, probably one of the best to come out of idol.

  29. Hold On was the name of another hit song, right?? I can’t remember by who, but a girl group

    There’s a Kansas song by that title too but I doubt most folks remember it ;)

    Now the Wilson Phillips one is stuck firmly in my head… haha.

  30. She might have to steal the WTF!Cook title…

    *chuckle* Only if it were her own idea to do this. And we all know it’s actually up to the Label.

    And Labels don’t count – they are regularly WTF!, as well as WTH? – More often the latter – just not in a good way. ;)

  31. Chad Kroeger…..blah. Kara has written some good songs, but not anything I would expect Crystal to sing… Oh well I’ll try to stay optimistic lol.

  32. Typical Jive move, I’m holding out hope that the song is decent, wishing you luck Crystal

  33. Even some Idols have written their first real singles….
    Daughtry co-wrote his first single and that went well.
    Kelly co-wrote Miss Independent — not her first single but the lead single from her debut album.
    And, of course, Lee co-wrote Sweet Serendipity.

    Also Kellie P co-wrote Red High Heels – her first

  34. I admittedly like Nickelback and flove Breaking Benjamin so if Crystal is taking her sound in a more modern rock direction I’ll be more interested in checking out what her album sounds like. I dont really care one way or the other about Kara i cant say I’ve loved any song she’s written but I dont stone her for the No Boundaries situation either. The news is surprising after months of talk about her pre idol music and how she would be the only one to carry that forward on to her release with Jive. Of course we dont know what the rest of the songs will be on the album so it will be interesting to see Just proves that nothing is set in stone until it is in the press release.

  35. I am actually more excited to hear Crystal’s new stuff than to hear Lee. Kara is hit-or-miss, but she can be a great songwriter.

    As long as this sounds NOTHING like Nickelback, I’m fine with it.

    And, to add, I really don’t get the HUGE importance that AI fans place on co-writes. I just like a good song, no matter who it comes from. Songwriting is a talent unto itself—if a singer can write well, great . If he can’t (and I’m thinking of something like Elevator here, sorry Archie) then they should stick with songs from someone who can.

  36. LMAO this is hilarious. I would have never ever guessed Crystal would sing a song written by Kroeger.
    I don’t hate Nickelback and I’d rather listen to their music than a lot of crap that plays on radio, but I wanna see how this fits Crystal.
    It must be a good radio song though. Kara and Kroeger can really write songs for radio, and Jive can make first singles happen, so… it can turn out good for her in terms of airplay.

  37. I hope Chad remembered to tape the alphabet to the wall when writing again. Sorry, Chad is a terrible writer. Unless he’s giving his best stuff to other artists.

    Some of their latests songs sound country leaning, so maybe this is where this is going. I’m ready to listen!

  38. The album drops in 6 weeks

    I wonder where the press release is announcing that? I’m sure the 12/14 date will stick but why not make it official and get things moving?

  39. didnt david cook write with chad kroeger?

    and regardless who wrote it im sure she will cyrstalize it :)

  40. Guys check MJ‘s update. If this is it then it’s something Crystal can work with IMO. Not a disaster.

  41. Just proves that nothing is set in stone until it is in the press release.

    And even that is not set in stone (see “Live It Up” first single, DeWyze, Lee)!!

  42. I’ll believe it when Crystal herself confirms it…it couldn’t be more inconsistent with Crystal’s MO than to have this MTV hack be the one announcing her single.

    There may be a Tweet war coming soon…

  43. I’ll believe it when Crystal herself confirms it…it couldn’t be more inconsistent with Crystal’s MO than to have this MTV hack be the one announcing her single.

    Save your tweets Negativo, because it’s true. Welcome, new Idol fans to the post Idol world!

    NO Idol, no matter how special or precious you think they are escapes it.

  44. negativo, jambajim is exceptionally reliable when relating information, which is why so many AI alumni still show up to do segments with him.

    If he says, after a taped promotion for her album, that “Hold On” is the single, then it’s the single.

    Now, we’ve seen some last-minute switches for some other AI artists (and artists who have nothing to do with the show, for that matter), so it may be replaced given bad feedback. But that would have nothing to do with whether or not it was debuted as such on VH1.

  45. I’m pretty sure she said all but one song on her album is “original” which she defines as something she had a hand in writing.

    Really? She defined it like that? I always thought original = never sung/released by any other performer, not necessarily written by the singer. Unless someone digs up not-demo versions of this song sung by another artist/group, I’m not calling it a cover…

    Hold On was also a Good Charlotte song, I believe– about suicide. It goes like, Hold on, if you feel like letting go, hold on it gets better than you know… I think.

    I’m looking forward to this song. I think it might be good, and more importantly (arguably) get Crystal some airplay. Lee’s SS isn’t looking good on that front…

  46. OK so I listened to the demo. The song isn’t bad, I like it better than SS. I still feel like it’s a little generic, but I get that Jive is going for a more radio-friendly sound. This song could do well on HAC.

  47. I like the Demo, but damn, Kara likes a lot of words….

    I can see this as a Crystal song, it’s not bad :)

  48. didnt david cook write with chad kroeger?

    No, he didn’t, Dancin – but he did have a writing session with Kara – before her Idol judging gig.

    Nothing of hers made the album, however.

  49. jambajim jim cantiello
    Mamasox sounded awesome! Writing up a little recap of the acoustic gig now. (Relax about the single, folks! She sells the song really well.)

    I also like Kara’s co-write with Carrie on “Undo It”. She also had some good co-write songs with Kelly: “Gone”, “Where Is Your Heart”, “Hear Me” — on Kelly’s Breakaway album

  50. Okay, now that I heard the Demo, I’m not so worried, I think Crystal will sound great on that song.

  51. Blech. Generic pop crap with a little country twang. Is this Jive’s attempt to make her fit the Taylor Swift profile?

  52. tinawina:
    11/04/2010 at 11:33 am

    I want to thank Jive, Crystal Bowersox, Chad Kroeger and Kara Dioguardi for giving me what has to be the single funniest moment of Season 9. LMAO!!!!

    That said, I still want to hear Crystal’s album the most of everyone’s this year. I can’t wait to hear this song, the curiousity is killing me.

    This is the king of all WTF moments right here. She might have to steal the WTF!Cook title… WTF!Crystal has a nice ring to it.

    THIS ^^

    I am actually looking forward to hearing the song. Crystal’s got a great voice and I’m sure she will make it sound good.

    But I just cannot process the “Kara/Nickelback/Crystal” combo. Who the hell came up with that? I would LOVE to have seen Crystal’s reaction when she was first told that out of all the songs on her debut album, the first to be released for public consumption would be a Nickelback/Kara “original”… The first exposure to Crystal by hundreds of millions (remember there are 280 million Americans who DIDN’T watch Idol and countless millions internationally) would be penned by the lead singer of Nickelback and “I co-wrote No Boundaries” Kara!

  53. That demo is VERY like something Taylor Swift would write, at least lyrically. Complete with the memories of being 16.

    Why doesn’t that surprise me?

    That demo is very generic and bland. Hopefully Crystal turns it into something more interesting (although bland & generic is quite popular on the radio, esp. when sung by Ms. Swift)

  54. OK so I listened to the demo. The song isn’t bad, i like it better than SS. I still feel like it’s a little generic, but I get that Jive is going for a more radio-friendly sound. This song could do really well on HAC.

    It was nice of you to save me all that typing. ITA.

    Okay, I now have one Kroeger co-write that exceeds barely tolerable. Don’t love it, and it’s not KDG’s best work, but I wouldn’t change my radio station, either. And it could work well with CB’s voice.

  55. Blech. Generic pop crap with a little country twang. Is this Jive’s attempt to make her fit the Taylor Swift profile?

    Agreed. And also, this would not surprise me!

  56. It’s kinda a ballady ‘hollywood’s not america’ or something. Kinda dull and I don’t hear Chad’s influence, thankfully. Interested to hear what it sounds like post production. It’s not Top 40 pop, but more HAC leaning female Daughtry with a country twist.

    Chad co-wrote ‘No Surprise’ and LAY with Daughtry.

  57. But I just cannot process the “Kara/Nickelback/Crystal” combo. Who the hell came up with that?

    And this…is American Idol.

    Crystal will survive.

  58. That demo is VERY like something Taylor Swift would write, at least lyrically. Complete with the memories of being 16.

    Why doesn’t that surprise me?

    Exactly. Makes me think they’ve been kicking this song around since BEFORE last season even took place. Remember all the rumors about the Taylor Swift-type frontrunner?

  59. Wasn’t “Hold On” a Jonas Brothers song? Please, God, please, tell me it ain’t so.

    No, thankfully this seems to be a different one. It’s about “hold on to the memories” while the Jbros are just about “hold on hold on hold on.”

    I can see Crystal doing well with this song. It’s catchy, if bland, (wait, wait, I think I’ve just summed up the pop radio formula!) and she will bring her interesting voice and ability to dramatize to it.

  60. …though I hope this song isn’t in the vein of Taylor Swift & puppy love topics.

  61. BootStar:
    11/04/2010 at 12:09 pm
    Blech. Generic pop crap with a little country twang. Is this Jive’s attempt to make her fit the Taylor Swift profile?

    MTE -First gut reaction, although I’m holding off to make a final judgement after I hear the final version.

    girlygirl:
    11/04/2010 at 12:10 pm
    That demo is VERY like something Taylor Swift would write, at least lyrically. Complete with the memories of being 16.

    Why doesn’t that surprise me?

    LOL I wonder if Kara wrote it as they were pronouncing that a girls would win S9 back before Hollywood week?

    ETA: Bootstar you beat me to it.

  62. Generic but not bad. :) It could do reasonably well on Country radio.

  63. Yvonne13:
    11/04/2010 at 12:13 pm
    But I just cannot process the “Kara/Nickelback/Crystal” combo. Who the hell came up with that?

    And this…is American Idol.

    Crystal will survive.

    Oh hell yeah. It’ll probably be a top 10 hit on CHR.

  64. Yeah, that song sounds like something Nickelback would sing. Just with a girl’s voice it may not be as bad.
    It sounds ok, not what I was expecting from Crystal though.

  65. Nothing interesting about this song IMO, definetly could hear the Kroeger’s influence.
    Also, can’t really imagine Top 40 playing that as a first single, they will probably directly go to HAC like with Lee.

  66. Sixteen, you and me
    Never needed anything
    Summer breeze running free
    Sound like we had everything
    Suitcase full of dreams
    You said you’d run away with me
    But instead you let me leave

    I’d be shocked if this song was written FOR Crystal. Sounds more like something they wanted to make a quick buck off of, and she’s stuck singing it.

    Oh, well. I’m sure it will sound better coming from Crystal than Kara.

  67. Also, can’t really imagine Top 40 playing that as a first single, they will probably directly go to HAC like with Lee.

    Probably not.. I was joking above. But it would make a heck of an ironic moment to bookend the S9 era.

  68. There is a demo for a single? Is this common? I’m surprised. I would have thought the first single would be an unheard song. Anyway, song is good but I agree it sounds a little generic. Maybe the Nickleback guy will add some interesting bits to it. I can hear Crystal on this type of song so it should work well.

  69. Just like SS, this sounds like something that would have been on the radio several years ago. But, it’s got a much better flow to it than SS. Is that DioGuardi singing? Bland, bland, bland. Crystal’s voice is distinct enough to elevate this song, though.

  70. There is a demo for a single? Is this common? I’m surprised.

    Quite. Professional songwriters put together demos all the time, because plenty of label execs aren’t going to get a good idea of the song from, say, sheet music. Sometimes the writers put them up on Youtube themselves to attract more interest, and then sometimes oops!, someone rips the respective tracks and uploads them and nobody knows who was responsible. (And also, I have a bridge for sale.)

    Also, both KDG and CK were done with this song when they signed over the demo to Jive, as we haven’t heard anything about them recording with her, so they won’t be “adding bits”. Everything that’s been done with it since is on Bowersox, her band, and Bendeth (the producer). And, of course, Jive’s A&R, who orchestrated the whole thing in the first place.

  71. If this is indeed the song (it hasn´t been confirmed has it?) I´m sure it will sound very differentl than the demo. All songs being produced by David Bendeth, I´m also confident that it won´t stick out as some oddball and blend with other songs, thus keeping continuity.

    Also, I think it´s unlikely that Crystal didn´t have other choices to pick from as her only non-original, so she must have felt she could do something with it

  72. HOLD ON! Maybe they’ll switch single at the last minute ala-Lee’s. (just trying to be optimistic, here)

  73. I think the song sounds fine and Crystal can make it magic. I just hope they don’t over-produce like they have a tendency to do.

    It’s a shame her first single isn’t a co-write or original Crystal, but that’s par for the course.

  74. Do you really think Crystal had that much power? Like Jive said “ok we’ll let YOU pick your one song that’s being handed to you to sing”.

  75. Sounds like Kelly Clarkson’s “Breakway” being sung by Taylor Swift to me. It would be perfect for an ABC Family original movie. Maybe they’ll promote it that way.

    It’s like SS: not awful, but nothing to flip over, either.

  76. The Kara demo sounds like it will be a decent fit for Crystal’s sound, but I’m really having trouble processing a Kara DioNickleback single fronting Farmer’s Daughter.

  77. She might be able to do something with it… she is the kind of singer that can shade a song. A lot will depend of the production I guess… but it they just lay her vocals over the existing music, I’m not sure if that will work.

    Its not quite as bad as being Biced, at least. I need to hear Crystal’s version.

  78. It’s aiight. I get a strong Kelly Clarkson “Breakaway” wannabe vibe from it.

    ETA: it’s a whooooole lot better than that tripe ol’ Lee got stuck with!

  79. Do you really think Crystal had that much power? Like Jive said “ok we’ll let YOU pick your one song that’s being handed to you to sing”.

    I don´t think it has anything to do with “power” I do think there were other songs on the table and Hold On ended as the one chosen

  80. ETA: it’s a whooooole lot better than that tripe ol’ Lee got stuck with!

    I can’t agree until I hear the finished version. Right now they are about equal in my book.

  81. The song isn’t bad. As said, a little generic, but certainly has appeal for the radio.

  82. Exactly. Makes me think they’ve been kicking this song around since BEFORE last season even took place.

    Remember all the rumors about the Taylor Swift-type frontrunner?

    Yes, I remember that, it went something like this…

    We need a Taylor Swift-type to win this year. I think her name is Janelle Wheeler. No, wait, it’s Haley Vaughn. Nope, nope that’s not it. Think, think. Oh yeah, it’s Lacey Brown. It isn’t? Ah, they all sound the same to me anyway. Okay, is it Lilly Scott? Didi Benami? Yes, yes, that’s it. We’ve got our Taylor Swift ripoff, right? No. We don’t? She got voted off?! Well, what the hell, then let’s just make one. Who’s left standing? Um, Siobahn? No not even we will be able to sell that one as the next Taylor Swift. Really, there’s only one left? The dreds girl? Taylor Swift? I don’t know. That could be a push. Oh what the hell. Let’s put her on top 40 radio. No one will ever see her and top 40 listeners don’t buy albums anyway. Yeah, she’ll do.

    (many months later…) And American Idol and Jive introduce the next Taylor Swift… Ms. Crystal Bowersox! (except she isn’t)

  83. I can hear Crystal doing this song. It’s not too poppy, but it won’t be boring, either.

    I wonder if Kara and Chad wrote the song expressly for Crystal. It doesn’t sound exactly like her, but most of Crystal’s music wouldn’t exactly fit with what is currently commercial.

  84. This is a pretty song, and I’m sure Crystal will make it sound less generic. But my guess is that this was written back when they were so sure
    they could push through a girl winner to be the new Taylor Swift-early on they really thought it would be Katie.

    I think it’s a good sign for Crystal that they are releasing a radio friendly single-they want her to be successful.

  85. I’m pretty sure it won’t ever be revealed how this song ended up as Crystal’s single or what else was on the table. The situation is always ambiguous unless the artist has written on the song as well. I hear more pop in this song than country but it does fit into the commercial pop/rock vein, which I don’t think was a bad move.

  86. Doesn’t sound like a Taylor Swift song to me, at least the ones I’ve listened to. It’s very much like the latest tracks I’ve heard from Kroeger, more like a female daughtry kind of song.

  87. I can’t agree until I hear the finished version. Right now they are about equal in my book.

    For me, “Hold On” edges SS by a little bit, and hopefully Crystal will be able to sell the song better. On the other hand Lee did get a co-write for his first single. My main problem with SS is the production. Whatever, I’ve given up on the idea that my favorites on Idol will make “groundbreaking” music. It didn’t happen for David Cook, and right now it’s not looking too good for Lee or Crystal. Now I know that I should always expect generic music for any winner/runner up coming off of idol.

  88. The Label picks the single. Shock. Surprise. And moving on.

    Whether I prefer her genre or not, Crystal is a very good singer, and she’s also a musician, writer and able to arrange her own songs. An artist like that can see the ‘bones’ of a song and make something of it, given the chance. I mean – did you ‘hear‘ what “Dream Big” – a country song written for a female, and the Magic Rainbow ‘sounded’ like in Demo form while people were voting on them? Geeze. Pretty much not so good.

    She’s also working with a producer who seems to be interested to be there. No matter what this demo sounds like, the very good possibility of it becoming a viable piece of music exists…not because she picked it – that was the label – but because she will know how to make that happen, and has the talent and the producer to hopefully back that up.

    She’s not my style of singer, but I don’t deny her ability to “Make it Work”. JMO. Of Course.

    ETA – But then again, she could shoot herself in the other foot with the veiled kvetching. Who really knows?

  89. Meh…dime-a-dozen pop junk. The overproduction was annoying, and the song never really went anywhere for me.

  90. As I expected, the Tweet war begins…Crystal clearly is NONE too happy.

    @crystalbowersox: If you can’t say something nice, just keep your mouth shut and think about furry pink bunnies. Memo to self.

  91. This has most likely sat on a shelf being passed on by artists with more clout. Hope she can work magic with it.

  92. The Label picks the single

    Yeah, I guess they did.

    sniffles_VI40:
    @BrianWalkerLive The idiots r in turmoil over @crystalbowersox single release not being orig, their is madness in the village 2day, lol. :0)

    Crystalbowersox:
    @sniffles_VI40 me too. I can’t even speak about it.

  93. In response to a tweet about wanting the single to be an original…

    @crystalbowersox: me too. I can’t even speak about it.

  94. @crystalbowersox: If you can’t say something nice, just keep your mouth shut and think about furry pink bunnies. Memo to self.

    Haha… by tweeting that, isn’t she passive-agressively NOT keeping her mouth shut? Heh. It is a good memo to self though. She should also take David Cook’s motto to heart: if you can’t do anything about it, laugh like hell. I actually quite like that one.

    The Label picks the single. Shock. Surprise. And moving on.

    I know, right? I mean, they should be grateful they seem to have a say in what goes in the record, which hasn’t always been the case with past idols even– the single picking is not surprisingly out of their hands. David Cook’s said since 2008 that he’s worried about what goes in the record, and that he leaves the single business to the label. Which is probably him being diplomatic because he has no choice. Seems none of these guys have enough clout fresh off idol to be given that choice.

  95. I think it’s a good sign for Crystal that they are releasing a radio friendly single-they want her to be successful.

    They definitely want their return on investment. It is a business.

  96. I’d be shocked if this song was written FOR Crystal. Sounds more like something they wanted to make a quick buck off of, and she’s stuck singing it.

    Oh, well. I’m sure it will sound better coming from Crystal than Kara.

    I agree. I really don’t like Kara’s singing voice. Are people guessing that this is Crystal’s song or has it been confirmed?

    The Label picks the single. Shock. Surprise. And moving on.

    Yeah, I totally expected it no matter what anyone was saying (including Crystal).

    They definitely want their return on investment. It is a business.

    The bottom line.

  97. Haha… by tweeting that, isn’t she passive-agressively NOT keeping her mouth shut? Heh.

    And we are surprised by this? Ditto heh.

  98. Crystal Bowersox tells a fan on twitter that she “can’t even speak about” the fact that her song is not a co-write. And then she tweets, “If you can’t say something nice, just keep your mouth shut and think about furry pink bunnies. Memo to self.” Rhu Rho… Her fans are freaking out on twitter as we speak.

    Somehow, I can’t see Crystal lasting very long with Jive (or any major label for that matter).

  99. I like the demo version but Crystal is gonna shout and scream the crap out of this song. This demo would do very well on radio just as is, but with Crystal’s voice, i doubt it.

  100. The Label picks the single. Shock. Surprise. And moving on.
    They definitely want their return on investment. It is a business.

    Sure, but how has it been working for them?

  101. I can’t help but think back to the whole mini-turmoil when Crystal almost quit Idol. Between that and her being sick and almost getting disqualified, maybe those were signs that she needed to cut and run while she had the chance. I know, it’s too late for that now, but hindsight sure is 20/20, isn’t it?

  102. Somehow, I can’t see Crystal lasting very long with Jive (or any major label for that matter).

    Whatever, both Lee and Crystal will probably get dropped by their labels by this time next year, then they can get back to making “real” music.

  103. Sure, but how has it been working for them?

    Obviously, that’s open to discussion, Eriko – but not amongst the Suits. They aren’t about to give the option, or the power, to an artist they signed and bankrolled on a gamble. They don’t even have the same objectives as the artist, IMO.

    I’m thinking what’s their mindset here? What do they need – one really good hit from an Era? It would save them money if they didn’t have to keep releasing subsequent singles, in hopes one would take.

    One really good hit to power respectable album sales – The rest would be sugar.

    JMO.

  104. then they can get back to making “real” music.

    The kind that doesn’t get heard? Hee, kidding. Kind of.

  105. Even if Crystal doesn’t seem to be too thrilled with the song as her first single, I trust that she’ll make it work. The lyrics don’t seem so far away from her own story and I think she’ll make the song sound believable. I am anxiously waiting for the album.

  106. Too bad, Crystal will never be able to reach those high notes, it will sound so bad…just an average song and sounds country.
    SS is mile above this song and it is original too.
    But, this will probably be better than Crystals original stuff if it sounds like Farmers Daughter, I can’t even listen to that song.

  107. I can’t help but think back to the whole mini-turmoil when Crystal almost quit Idol. Between that and her being sick and almost getting disqualified, maybe those were signs that she needed to cut and run while she had the chance. I know, it’s too late for that now, but hindsight sure is 20/20, isn’t it?

    She´s putting out an album with 11 originals. Has a great and highly respected producer who she´s now friends with ,is over joyed with the musicians playing with her. Is friends and played with Michael Franti and Melissa Etherige. Has been able to support her causes, gotten all this exposure etc etc. How is that something to run from?

  108. It sounds very Nickleback! I can almost substitute Chad’s voice for Kara’s in my head. See who is running the show now Crystal? Should have run when you had a chance. Good luck!

    Oh, sorry I see someone already remarked on what I said last :oops:

  109. You mean Kara is writing Crystal’s first single. There’s really never anything new under the Idol sun is there? The demo makes it sound like a good Kelly Clarkson song. Has a bit of a country vibe as well.

    I’m not sure what it’ll sound like with Crystal doing it.

  110. Is this a good idea?

    MamaSoxFan_VI23: @crystalbowersox We want to tell Jive about how we want your first single to be YOUR music. Is that all right? about 1 hour ago via web Retweeted by 1 person

    @MamaSoxFan_VI23 please do so. I love you guys about 1 hour ago via Twitter for Android in reply to MamaSoxFan_VI23

  111. I actually think this song is better than Lee’s single (and I hate Nickleblech). I don’t think I would ever buy it but off a first listen I liked it better I think it has more of a chance on radio too.

    And come on Crystal stop frikken complaining about everything. There is the saying about change the things you can’t except and except the things you can’t change. Well YOU signed to a major label, they want to make money. So either you need to deal with that fact or leave. Stop the passive aggressive whineing and get over it. Be thankful you have a record coming out at all.

    ok sorry ranting over…I wish her much success but geez can she not go 3 mins without complaining *sigh*

  112. The kind that doesn’t get heard? Hee, kidding. Kind of.

    LOL, yep that kind.

  113. I like Crystal. I am excited to hear the CD. But she really needs to get over herself.

  114. She can’t even talk about it? Good grief dramatic much? Oh yes fans hitting the label with complaints about how much they want an original single hasn’t been done before and hasn’t failed miserably *snort*

  115. I don’t get the big deal about someone else writing the songs. It’s a kareoke show not a songwriting contest. If people are so into getting their original music done, don’t go on the show.

    If Crystal’s negative feeling towards the song affects her album rollout, kiss her career goodbye. Idols are always supposed to be appreciative.
    Why not, you get to jump the line so to speak.

  116. Is this a good idea?

    A very bad idea, IMO, fuzzywuzzy. Much stronger, more organized fanbases have tried similar actions – never with good results.

    It’s not something I’m invested in, and I still think it’s an unfortunate happening. Ah well.

  117. Sure, but how has it been working for them?

    Obviously, that’s open to discussion, Eriko – but not amongst the Suits. They aren’t about to give the option, or the power, to an artist they signed and bankrolled on a gamble. They don’t even have the same objectives as the artist, IMO.

    TPTB weren’t going to give Crystal nearly as much say-so as she and her fans wanted. It wasn’t going to happen, even under the best of circumstances. But from the runner-up of a lukewarm season, where said runner-up may be hard to work with? What we’re seeing is what we’re going to get.

  118. lol cuz she says if you have nothing nice to say etc… whose to say its about the single? maybe its about all the “haters” out there~~

    in the imortal words of revRunWisdom The funny thing about haters is,, they’re haters & its funny!!! #lol!

  119. Eriko:
    11/04/2010 at 1:19 pm

    Sure, but how has it been working for them?

    With Jive it’s been hit and miss. LLWD was a platinum + seller, The Truth wasn’t and it’s too early to tell about AWM. Jive did well with Usher’s singles. David Archuleta is on single #3, two of them tanking. It’s all a crap shoot.

    RCA, Adam’s FYE wasn’t successful, but WWFM was very successful. IIHY was pretty successful. Cook’s singles did well. It’s too early to tell about Lee.

  120. It may not be the type of song you’d think of her doing but this is the price of seeking a record deal through a commercial pop show with a major label. It was naive to think they wouldn’t want to make back the money they invest in the record. They needed a song radio would be more receptive to particularly since this show can’t count on Idol fans buying albums at the height they did in the earlier years.

  121. I like it! And Crystal’s voice will make it even better. I understand her being upset, that it’s not one of her songs, but she should be happy they are releasing something that has a chance on radio.

  122. okay, just catching up.. so, i guess crystal does not even get a co-write for her first single. well, there goes all the speculation of her finally being the only artist to break the idol mold, huh? it just goes to show that people shouldn’t have totally high expectations when it comes to these things (first AI singles). it has happened before and it will continue to happen. the label has the final say. the artist will be lucky to even have a co-write as first single. i think what’s important is that the fans will enjoy it and it will engage new listeners. based on the demo, it’s alright. i would have to hold off judgment til i hear what crystal’s beautiful voice will sound like with it.

    Whatever, I’ve given up on the idea that my favorites on Idol will make “groundbreaking” music.

    lol! maybe you’re letting go too soon? why not wait till the albums come out? those are just the singles, i’m sure there will be other songs that you’ll like in the album. it may not be “groundbreaking” but it might well be enough to satisfy you as a fan :)

  123. I don’t get the big deal about someone else writing the songs. It’s a kareoke show not a songwriting contest. If people are so into getting their original music done, don’t go on the show.

    I thought everyone here knew by now, that Crystal has 11 originals on her album.

  124. I like Crystal but the “I’m an artist of integrity” etc. stuff is wearing thin. She comes across as arrogant and somewhat sour. At this point, I could see her career with Jive/19 being very short lived. It doesn’t seem like a good match.

    If Crystal co-wrote most of the album, why are the fans so mad that the single isn’t one of them. They’ll have plenty of Crystal music when they buy the album.

  125. lili_anne7:
    11/04/2010 at 1:22 pm

    Somehow, I can’t see Crystal lasting very long with Jive (or any major label for that matter).

    Whatever, both Lee and Crystal will probably get dropped by their labels by this time next year, then they can get back to making “real” music.

    I sure hope not. It is no cake-walk being an indie artist.

    The labels are not wonderful but getting an big 6-figure advance sure beats playing music in coffee shops.

    Lee and Crystal both need the support of a major label if they want to make it. And neither would be anywhere without Idol.

  126. jpfan: Idols are always supposed to be appreciative.
    Why not, you get to jump the line so to speak.

    Chicagolaw: But she really needs to get over herself.

    A little humility here and there could help Crystal in many ways.

  127. Whatever, I’ve given up on the idea that my favorites on Idol will make “groundbreaking” music.

    Don’t give up on that. While it’s impossible for any Idol to be original the first time around, hope that this early compromise will give them the success they need to ask for more control for the second album. Remember, their careers should be marathons, not 100-yard dashes. With patience, good things will happen.

  128. it may not be “groundbreaking” but it might well be enough to satisfy you as a fan

    There’s also the fact that most albums aren’t groundbreaking. Some are meh, a lot are solid, and only the rarest handful are really exceptional and different.

    Most artists, given 4 months to write, record, and tour, are not going to come up with groundbreaking, whether they went on a TV show and won an associated major label deal or not.

    Given the constraints they work under, the number of “B” albums that come out of the AI machine is pretty impressive. I don’t spend my time worrying about why they aren’t “A” albums, because most of the other albums that I buy aren’t “A” albums, either. And I still get enjoyment out of them.

  129. I thought everyone here knew by now, that Crystal has 11 originals on her album.

    Nobody knows what is on Crystal’s album until we have the official tracklisting. The rest is assumption.

  130. lili_anne7:
    11/04/2010 at 1:33 pm

    The kind that doesn’t get heard? Hee, kidding. Kind of.

    LOL, yep that kind.

    It’ll get heard by ME, for both Crystal and Lee. :) And, selfishly, I’d love it, because I’d much rather go to concerts with a few hundred other people than 10K. As long as they’re making a living, I’m happy for them.

    That said, I haven’t heard the clip but have no doubt she’ll make it work. If it does turn out country, that wouldn’t be the worst thing that could happen to her–I could see her as another Mary Chapin Carpenter, and *she’s* frickin’ awesome.

  131. I don’t get the big deal about someone else writing the songs. It’s a kareoke show not a songwriting contest. If people are so into getting their original music done, don’t go on the show.

    I agree. I think that the contestants need to accept both the good and bad aspects of going on Idol.

    If Crystal’s negative feeling towards the song affects her album rollout, kiss her career goodbye. Idols are always supposed to be appreciative.
    Why not, you get to jump the line so to speak.

    I agree. It’s really bad PR for Crystal to trash her first single before it’s even released (or her CD is released).

    A very bad idea, IMO, fuzzywuzzy. Much stronger, more organized fanbases have tried similar actions – never with good results.

    It’s not something I’m invested in, and I still think it’s an unfortunate happening. Ah well.

    Yeah, I’m a fan and I agree. Encouraging fans to harass Jive on an already made decision as an untried newbie strikes me as not very wise. It brings me back to a thought that I’ve had for a while that Crystal may be overestimating the influence of having been on AI and the size of her fanbase/support.

    ETA:

    Nobody knows what is on Crystal’s album until we have the official tracklisting. The rest is assumption.

    I totally agree. Until then, no one knows.

  132. I think Crystal can work with this song and turn out great product. SS is much, much worse.

  133. Geez, you’d have thought she was the one doing Jive the favor by signing on. That girl’s going to have a nasty wake up call one day if she doesn’t get over her sense of entitlement. If she wants 100% control over her work with no compromise, she should stick to playing the subways and coffee shops.

  134. The song is ok and I could see it working for Crystal. I don’t think Jive has a problem with Crystal voicing a little frustration, be it real frustration or face saving for her fanbase. In the end I think we’ll get a very good cd, Crystal will get good critical response, the sales might be enough to break even on Jive’s botttom line, and she’ll leave Jive after 1 cd. It’s a mismatch but for now they can serve each other’s purpose.

  135. It’s a nice enough song, I’m sure she’ll do fine with it. But, heh, welcome to the world of Idol. It is ALWAYS the same, she oughta just deal with this first single and move on with her album. And no, bombarding Jive with angry tweets will not help, at all. Welcome to Idol, part II, lol. I love her voice, I think she’s a cool girl, but it’s even wearing thin on me. Girl, you signed with a major label. You are not in the driver’s seat, I’m afraid. If you’re lucky they’ll let you sit shotgun :)

  136. I actually didn’t think the song was too bad, but Crystal’s entitled personality is such a turn-off to me. I didn’t like it on Idol and like it even less now, especially in light of all the opportunities she’s been given. It’s so unbecoming and ungrateful. Just yuck. No thanks.

  137. There’s also the fact that most albums aren’t groundbreaking. Some are meh, a lot are solid, and only the rarest handful are really exceptional and different.

    Most artists, given 4 months to write, record, and tour, are not going to come up with groundbreaking, whether they went on a TV show and won an associated major label deal or not.

    Given the constraints they work under, the number of “B” albums that come out of the AI machine is pretty impressive. I don’t spend my time worrying about why they aren’t “A” albums, because most of the other albums that I buy aren’t “A” albums, either. And I still get enjoyment out of them.

    Let the church say Amen.

  138. Nobody knows what is on Crystal’s album until we have the official tracklisting. The rest is assumption.

    Well, then David Bendeth needs to be informed, since he´s already mixed 6 of the 12 songs that have been recorded.

    But repeating that Crystal should have known she wouldn´t get to have originals is a gross assumption, since everything points otherwise

  139. The thing with Crystal complaining is that sometimes as a fan the drama gets old and you’d rather just enjoy the music. I’d prefer a reaction that’s more along the lines of “I can’t wait for people to hear songs I had a hand in writing but the system is what it is and I respect the work of other songwriters”. She wouldn’t be pretending she didn’t have a preference but there’d be less of a sense of drama.

  140. I don’t get the big deal about someone else writing the songs. It’s a kareoke show not a songwriting contest. If people are so into getting their original music done, don’t go on the show.

    i guess it’s a big deal to those who were expecting for a co-write or even an original with solo writing creds as first single. there are a lot of factors that go into selecting a first single that we may not ever get privy to. i’m sure there was a good reason for the label to choose this song. we will all just have to wait and see how it does. prediction of doom and gloom does not really equate at the moment.

  141. it certainly does sonically sound very nickleback, and lyrically very, well, kara.

  142. I thought everyone here knew by now, that Crystal has 11 originals on her album.

    I’m not sure they are all originals. She said they were songs she had a part in writing, therefore they could include co-writes.

    I sure hope not. It is no cake-walk being an indie artist.

    The labels are not wonderful but getting an big 6-figure advance sure beats playing music in coffee shops.

    Lee and Crystal both need the support of a major label if they want to make it. And neither would be anywhere without Idol.

    I totally agree with you. I’m just predicting that this is what will happen. I just don’t see either of them selling a lot of records, so i’m guessing RCA/Jive will drop them by next year. Then Crystal can sing all the originals she wants without complaining 24/7 to her fans about Jive, and Lee can get back to making the darker, more emo folk music that suits him better. Obviously they both want to remain on a major label, and for financial reasons, I hope they do.

  143. I’m talking by memory but I can’t remember Jive really pushing much of singles that are co-written by the idol artists. LLWD did well. They got the guy to sing The Turth and it did somewhat ok on HAC then comes AWM and nothing. Crush did great, second single is an Archie co-write it goes nowhere. The first two Archie singles this era are co-writes and we know where that ended up.
    SO, idk, maybe for radio better go with something you didn’t co-write for it to have a chance.

    I’m not sure they are all originals. She said they were songs she had a part in writing, therefore they could include co-writes.

    This concept of “orginals” confuse me. What does Original have to do with write or co-write? Isn’t it an original because it’s a co-writer? I don’t get it.

  144. She wouldn’t be pretending she didn’t have a preference and there’d be less of a sense of drama.

    Exactly. There is a way to express one’s opinion diplomatically. It was blindingly obvious that KA was not a fan of the situation with TT, but he never made it sound like a tragedy of epic proportions and therefore didn’t burn any bridges.

    I’m not sure they are all originals. She said they were songs she had a part in writing, therefore they could include co-writes.

    But that is her definition of “original” (which, as sma11ie pointed out, is already more strict than most people’s: most of us consider an original to be “something that wasn’t already released commercially [for values of “commercially” meaning that someone might have heard it before]”). Anything she helped write is an original by anyone’s reckoning, I’d say.

  145. windmills, I agree. It’s the way that something is said, rather than what is actually said that can make all of the difference.

  146. RCA, Adam’s FYE wasn’t successful, but WWFM was very successful. IIHY was pretty successful. Cook’s singles did well. It’s too early to tell about Lee.

    Cook’s label-supported singles did well. People seem to forget that David also had a single that went nowhere. It was called Bar-ba-sol, one of the fan favorites from David’s album. Story goes, David fought (PRIVATELY) with the label about releasing Come Back To Me, which resulted in a “tit for tat” compromise where RCA agreed to simultaneously release CBTM to Top40 and HAC, and BBS to rock radio. CBTM got the video, the TV performances, the radio push. BBS got a radio edit on Myspace, one guesses some label promo, and went nowhere… I think Cookie learned a lesson there on the importance of label support on a single. Crystal may want to learn that lesson. Cuz bottom line:

    Lee and Crystal both need the support of a major label if they want to make it.

    Would she rather push and push and push for a cowrite to be the single only to have Jive push it as much as they’ve pushed Archie’s last three “singles” or Kris’s AWM? Or go with the label-backed song that will have Jive’s radio team’s full support and promo? I’m not exactly a fan of Crystal’s, even though I like her, but if I were a fan, I’d rather she get a label-supported single and the big push…

    This concept of “orginals” confuse me. What does Original have to do with write or co-write?

    Ditto. As far as I know, original means not a cover. Not a cover means, not previously performed by another artist in a public format (non-demo). What does writing credit have to do with it?

  147. Poor Crystal. This girl seems to be very delusional about how the music business works. She has been quoted and has twittered so much about how “she” would control her own music…in fact the one interview where she said she would be producing her own album still ranks as the top WTF moment from any idol’s mouth.

    If she truly knew nothing about Idol prior to her audition…you would think any reasonable person would have researched the show and its history pretty thorougly before heading off to Hollywood week. Hell, all she had to do was google Kelly and Kelly’s tiff with her label would have been front and center, thus showing Crystal that a recording Artist has little control over their own music (until, and if, they become richer than god).

    I, too, like others that have commented am beyond caring about Crystal after all the complaining and wining and delusions that continual pop out of her mouth or on Twitter. She so easily has forgotten that no one wanted to sign her or record her until she got on Idol. And now, I am feeling a little sorry for Jive. They probably had no idea when they signed Crystal that she would turn out to be so intent on airing label/artist spats. They probably thought they has signed someone with a good voice who seemed to be well liked on a reality show…and then they end up with someone who has a tremendous ego and wants to control everything without the history of success to back it up.

    If I was Jive I would just be trying to recoup my investment and then send Crystal off to make someone elses life miserable.

  148. tinawina, can I AMEN the Amen?

    Ah, newbies. Us “veterans” of the Idol machine do feel your pain. We really do!

  149. I see why she’s upset. For the kind of artist she wants to be, and the genre she seems to want to end up in, this is the exact wrong way to be presented to the public.

    But I agree there are better ways to handle it. Hopefully Gina Orr is able to smooth things out for her.

    I sure hope not. It is no cake-walk being an indie artist.

    The labels are not wonderful but getting an big 6-figure advance sure beats playing music in coffee shops.

    Lee and Crystal both need the support of a major label if they want to make it. And neither would be anywhere without Idol.

    I disagree a tiny bit, in that being from Idol one could return to an a-typical indie career. Someone like Crystal who writes all her own songs and could own her own masters could make out quite well selling just 10,000 -20,000 indie CDs and making money off shows and appearances. If she uses her advance money wisely, she could be set up to make a comfortable living for the forseeable future. So an indie career does not have to be a disaster for Crystal or Lee, IMO.

    Ah, newbies. Us “veterans” of the Idol machine do feel your pain. We really do!

    LMAO. Yes, tierbee, we’ve all been here before. :D

  150. I always thought that an “original” song was one that had not been recorded and released by another artist before, regardless of who wrote it (demos by the composers and uploaded on the Internet don’t count). Crystal seems to have a narrower definition for “original” as a song solely written by her.

    As far as how promotion will go, that will depend on the data that Jive has with presales and other potential income from Crystal’s music vs. costs of radio promotion and other media (radio, television, etc.).

    ETA:

    But I agree there are better ways to handle it. Hopefully Gina Orr is able to smooth things out for her.

    I’m not sure how much influence Gina Orr has with Crystal’s public statements. It seems to me that Crystal perhaps is even mocking advice given to her by others (maybe Gina) with the “bunnies” comment. Even though I’m still a fan, I (like others) am getting tired of what I perceive as a counterproductive “attitude” from Crystal.

  151. I agree. It’s really bad PR for Crystal to trash her first single before it’s even released (or her CD is released).

    I don´t see her as trashing the single itself, she might like it, just not as much as some other songs she wrote herself. Also, she probably wants the first single to represent the rest of the CD as much as possible

  152. She´s putting out an album with 11 originals. Has a great and highly respected producer who she´s now friends with ,is over joyed with the musicians playing with her. Is friends and played with Michael Franti and Melissa Etherige. Has been able to support her causes, gotten all this exposure etc etc. How is that something to run from?

    Well, she seems to have lots of complaints despite all the opportunities she’s received. And, fame is a double-edged sword; for all the great rewards there are equally tremendous sacrifices. Crystal is clearly not on the same wavelength as her record label, no matter who she has performed with or how many original songs she has on her album. That’s a recipe for disaster, IMO. This song is a good thing for her, because she absolutely needs a radio-viable single to kick off her career.

  153. Blech. Generic pop crap with a little country twang. Is this Jive’s attempt to make her fit the Taylor Swift profile?

    Agreed. For me, its not so much that her debut single is not written by her, as it is that this kind of generic fluff is absolutely not a good representation of what Crystal is about. This might be her one shot at radio play and to have it be a generic song that could be sung by anybody, most especially by the top of the charts, Taylor Swift, just does not seem like a smart decision.

    Seems to me that the net return would be much better with a Crystal-vibe song that was made marketable rather than a generic song that any young girl could sing. Trying to shoehorn Crystal into Taylor Swifts shoes is ridiculous, and if this is really where they’re going, I can see why she would be furious. Heck, its part of her personality that she doesn’t take shit from anybody and speaks her mind. Ultimately, I get the impression that she’s more than willing to take the heat for it, whatever that might mean. I totally respect her for speaking her mind. Staying on Jive or any major label is not the be all/end all for all artists.

  154. I see why she’s upset. For the kind of artist she wants to be, and the genre she seems to want to end up in, this is the exact wrong way to be presented to the public.

    And BTW, I do agree here, I totally see why she’s upset.

  155. She has been quoted and has twittered so much about how “she” would control her own music…in fact the one interview where she said she would be producing her own album still ranks as the top WTF moment from any idol’s mouth.

    If I remember that interview correctly, she said that she would like to help produce her own album, not that she would be producing her own album. And this was during a group top 3 of top 4 interview. Frankly, that’s something I could see David Cook saying before he had his first round of conversations with the folks at RCA.

    Dissing your own single on twitter though? Not going to make Jive happy. I doubt the radio and non-AI listeners will care about her feelings on the single, but Jive wants her fanbase to buy the thing. If her peeps have any sense, this is the last time we’ll hear about it on twitter.

  156. I’m not sure how much influence Gina Orr has with Crystal’s public statements.

    I’m talking about Gina smoothing ruffled feathers at Jive.

    It seems to me that Crystal perhaps is even mocking advice given to her by others (maybe Gina) with the “bunnies” comment.

    I think that’s a bit of conjecture. I didn’t get that vibe at all, and I’m no Crystal apologist.

  157. I don´t see her as trashing the single itself, she might like it, just not as much as some other songs she wrote herself. Also, she probably wants the first single to represent the rest of the CD as much as possible

    lol, maybe the label might not see it that way. she could’ve just set up a meeting with them to further discuss things instead of airing it out online. who knows, maybe this somehow represents the album. till it all comes out and we hear it, we really don’t know, do we? ;)

  158. From the demo, sounds like it could get airplay. Would like to hear Crystal’s take. Maybe she made it better.

  159. While reading the fanfreakingout on twitter, found a getcrystal’shusbandsigned twitition, haha.

  160. Crystal’s fans are just as pissed as she is that the label has decided to force out their pet single ahead of all the fantastic originals we had hoped for. I just can’t see how pissing off the artist and her fan base is a smart move by the execs, but since I’m buying the abum not the single anyway it’s no skin off my ass.

  161. I don´t see her as trashing the single itself, she might like it, just not as much as some other songs she wrote herself.

    But does she really think Jive will change their minds due to fan tweets? By encouraging her fans to support any other single besides the label choice, she’s portraying herself as someone who is not willing to be a team player- at least publicly, she should be busy using twitter to rally her fans to support her single, whatever it may be, not ostensibly undermining it…

    I just can’t see how pissing off the artist and her fan base is a smart move by the execs

    I just can’t see how pissing off the execs is a smart move by Crystal or her fans…

    ETA: For the record, I like Crystal’s voice a LOT. I’m not “offended” by her tweets; just happen to find them not that smart. Not a big fan, so I follow Crystal’s news with somewhat of a detached interest. Her outspokenness is at least amusing– I’m a big fan of Kelly Clarkson’s and kind of enjoyed that she couldn’t keep her mouth shut a lot either. I do think Crystal’s make less sense though. JMO. It’ll be interesting to see how this all unfolds. I hope in her favor. She’s good.

  162. Except that many who are tired of her arrogant behavior often state that they like her voice. It’s her presumtious attitude that turns them off. Hell, I like her voice, I just find her stubbornness and naivety make for a very poor combination.

  163. Crystal’s fans will buy her album no what which song Jive choses for the single, so I don’t believe that Jive is too worried if Crystal’s AI fanbase is upset. For historical reference, see Kris Allen’s fans and “The Truth” radio version with Pat M.
    Jive is trying to get radioplay for Crystal to help her sell albums and perhaps make a profit. She would be smarter to keep her feelings about it out of the public domain and express some gratitude for the opportunities that thousands of talented, struggling musicians would love to have.
    I am a fan of Crystal’s voice. Her attitude lately-not so much.

  164. imeanrun, every Idol fandom has it’s share of whackaloon petitions, and vocally disgruntled members willing to go to the mat for any thing at all – those too inexperienced to see any consequences for their artist, or to self-involved to care – or even the BSC factions who give love a bad name – the Drama Rama drives a lot of Boards and Blogs.

    The major difference has seemed to be – the artist usually doesn’t encourage or model that behavior – so it stays in the minority. The rule of thumb is ‘one negative cancels 10 positives’ – or it used to be – maybe that’s exponential now, with the internet – but keeping the negatives down to a very dull roar is preferable….and the artist has at least a modicum of control over that, by example. IMO, Of Course.

    Enough Drama for one day for me – I wish Crystal well with the single – find a way to spin gold out of straw – it can be done.

  165. I just can’t see how pissing off the artist and her fan base is a smart move by the execs,

    Because both Crystal and her fanbase is small potatoes to them. They don’t give a shit about a few angry tweets. It didn’t work with huge fanbases either.

  166. Then she’d be better off not working with a label, and doing it on her own, because no business is going to put up with that kind of childishness from a newbie. Especially one that isn’t all that unique in talent. Hell, few will actually put up with that stupidity from a major player for any long stretch.

    If she truly wants to make it in the real world, she needs to care what others think. Even if only for a short while.

  167. Ack! That demo is… um… interesting.
    It makes all the sense in the world that those two wrote it. It sounds exactly like those Nickelback tunes I always have hated so much.

    As far as her own songs go though, this will have to do for a radio single. She needs to understand that. Maybe she would rather have everything her way and risk never getting airplay, but ha ha ha.

    That’s not how it works for former Idols, honey. Lighten up and go with it. You could still be playing local shows and recording songs in a garage. But I suppose she would have been cool with that. So… what can ya really say? *shrugs*

  168. The demo makes it sound like a good Kelly Clarkson song

    This song reminds me some of “Breakaway” by Kelly Clarkson.
    With “Breakaway” being the better song, IMO.

  169. tierbee:
    11/04/2010 at 2:04 pm
    tinawina, can I AMEN the Amen?

    Ah, newbies. Us “veterans” of the Idol machine do feel your pain. We really do!

    LOL, how true. And so it goes. Welcome to the jungle, we got fun and games. Just wait until Crystal’s album drops and it seems like there are at least five other album cuts that are perfectly acceptable single material which would have represented her much better as an artist. Give me a ring and I’ll gladly help you metaphorically egg the label’s corporate offices, maybe teepee their cars too. Been there, done that, have the DECLARATION, DAMMIT tee shirt and the WHY, RCA, FOR THE LOVE OF GAWD, WHY keychain. Which basically means you can complain and play armchair executive out the wazoo, but the label gonna do what the label gonna do. It’s the nature of the beast. (I gotta say, watching the Season 9 roll outs as a disinterested bystander, more and more I’m thinking Cookie probably got off easy with LO.)

    I don’t blame Crystal for being frustrated, but publicly cutting your own single off at the knees seems like it’s probably the wrong strategy. I’m guessing it might be wiser to pick your battles and bide your time until you have more leverage to push for artistic freedom.

  170. I can’t find any viable source that includes songwriting credits on “Hold On” for Kara. BMI lists “Hold On” under Chad Kroeger and his name is the only one credited.

    I believe this is an older song which was written by Chad but never recorded by Nickleback. Is it possible that Kara re-worked this song recently? I’m trying to figure out why she isn’t included in the songwriting credits.

  171. Crystal’s fans will buy her album no what which song Jive choses for the single, so I don’t believe that Jive is too worried if Crystal’s AI fanbase is upset … Jive is trying to get radioplay for Crystal to help her sell albums and perhaps make a profit.

    Exactly. Which is why I think fans tweeting Jive that they want a Crystal-written single seems a bit of a folly. On the other hand, any new artists could use both their label and their fans’ full support for their new single to even have a shot at doing anything on radio. Hashing this out so publicly and roping in her fans… that’s just really not that smart.

  172. This song reminds me some of “Breakaway” by Kelly Clarkson.
    With “Breakaway” being the better song

    agree

    I think you’re painting everyone with a broad brush. I like her music and I’m not offended when she stands up for herself, but I don’t think she’s wise about the battles she picks sometimes. Why come out negative about your first single before it even drops? It doesn’t make sense to me. I *totally* get why she’d be upset, but I think maybe she needs to just chill, see how the single does, and then know that she has lots of writing credits on the album and hopefully she’ll get a 2nd single out of that batch.

    Agree. I also like Crystal, and I understand why she’s not pleased. But she needs to stop with the public whining and complaining. It’s her first single so she should at least try to sell it with a positive attitude, even if she doesn’t like it.

  173. Regarding the single itself, well, keep in mind, it hasn’t dropped yet. Lee’s changed in the final hour, and so could Crystal’s. No harm in fighting it out while you can, and she’s already had a pretty decent track record in getting her way on plenty so far.

  174. I don’t care how “radio friendly” a song appears…this song is generic pop fluff that does NOT define Crystal as the artist she wants to be. I can understand why she would be upset about this. Did she really want to record this song or was it pushed on her? I admire her strong will and determination to be HER. It’s a shame she’s trapped under the idol bubble.

  175. Um, there is a very thin line between standing up for yourself and just appearing silly. Crystal has crossed the line into silly territory a few tweets back. And I love the girl, I really do. I love her voice and i think her phrasing is amazing, but what she’s doing is not smart AT ALL. I see why she’s upset, as she may not feel this song represents her and all, but you don’t air label grievances in public. Take it behind closed doors. I feel a little embarrassed seeing her tweet like that. And I agree with what someone said upthread, how is pissing off the exces a smart move?

    No one is judging Crystal. What people are saying is that she is coming off badly. It makes her appear arrogant even though I don’t believe she is.

    Anyway as a Crystal fan, I will be buying her album. Most of it will be originals, one first non co write single, I can live with. Same with Lee. I love Lee, buying his album the day it drops, and SS is not exactly my thing. But it’s part of the business, what idols have to do the get airplay, no one escapes. It’s just one single (which we haven’t even heard her sing) vs a whole Crystal album. It’s not a OMG HUGE TRAVERSITY that jive should be spammed and petitioned against.

  176. It’s a shame she’s trapped under the idol bubble.

    Ah, she stepped into it all by herself…. She should know the price beforehand.

  177. This song reminds me some of “Breakaway” by Kelly Clarkson.
    With “Breakaway” being the better song

    Today yes, but let´s compare them after Crystal does her take on it :)

  178. It’s a shame she’s trapped under the idol bubble.

    Well, honestly, she *put* herself in the Idol bubble… nobody tied her up and made her go on the show :) So she might be trapped under the Idol bubble but she ran into the trap to steal the cheese, so to speak.

  179. I think you’re painting everyone with a broad brush. I like her music and I’m not offended when she stands up for herself, but I don’t think she’s wise about the battles she picks sometimes. Why come out negative about your first single before it even drops? It doesn’t make sense to me. I *totally* get why she’d be upset, but I think maybe she needs to just chill, see how the single does, and then know that she has lots of writing credits on the album and hopefully she’ll get a 2nd single out of that batch.

    ITA. I don’t think that Crytal should make her professional disappointment public. She got to keep this between her and the label.

  180. I don’t really care what she thinks, just expressing my own opinion on what I perceive as unwise PUBLIC behavior based on years of watching Idols come and go. I also don’t think that “us fans” are “of like minds” at all. That makes Crystal’s fans sound like Stepford fans or is this just another version of the old and tired “true fans” argument?

    QFT

  181. Is this a good idea?

    MamaSoxFan_VI23: @crystalbowersox We want to tell Jive about how we want your first single to be YOUR music. Is that all right? about 1 hour ago via web Retweeted by 1 person

    @MamaSoxFan_VI23 please do so. I love you guys about 1 hour ago via Twitter for Android in reply to MamaSoxFan_VI23

    Wow, so hard to imagine that anyone thinks this is a good idea. So depressing that Crystal thinks this is a good idea.

    Crystal, you’ve got a whole lifetime ahead of you to make music. You have decades to do songs that you love. You have a major label contract right at the moment. It won’t last. Do the best you can to do the absolute best you can with what they give you and play nice with them at the moment so that they’ll like you for the duration.

    This isn’t a bad song, it might actually get some radio play, you are a good singer and performer and a creative person, and so you have the ability to make this song relatively compelling by concentrating on using all that talent in the very best, most committed way you know how instead of dissing the song and encouraging your fans to harass the company that’s bankrolling you. And that way, and only that way, will you get the most exposure and support you can out of this stint with the major label.

    There are songs of your own on the album — If you don’t support and respect the label’s song choice, why would you expect them to support and respect your own songs later? That’s true even if they are dead wrong about this being the right song to go with. Why tempt them to tit for tat you down the line? And, sort of like there aren’t any small roles but only small actors, there aren’t all that many completely hopeless songs compared to how many singers there are who don’t make the most out of the songs they have. Make the most out of the song and shut up on Twitter already.

    I have liked you all along, Crystal. But oy, just oy.

  182. It’s understandable that Crystal would be upset-she’s shown by her past actions that she is not a student of Idol history (the way we are!) and if all she has to go by is this year-Lee just released a song he wrote and is happy with, and she may have been led to believe Jive was considering some of the songs she wrote as singles.
    If her album is coming out Dec. 14, the final tracklist may have just been chosen. Typically, many more songs are recorded than are included on the album. She may be completely surprised “Hold On” was chosen as the single. But the wise thing for her to do is to express her feelings behind the scenes. Publicly she should do everything she can to sell the single and the album, so more people will hear those originals.

    ETA Lol, tierbee-“steal the cheese”- yes, she did.

  183. Reminder:

    Really really frustrated to be modding the same posters over and over again. And please posters, when you’re being baited or criticized DO NOT RESPOND. It makes the cleanup harder.

  184. I’m not offended, but I think she makes herself look terribly naive. If I were Jive and Crystal, I’d shelve the whole project. Cut the losses and part ways, clearly the relationship isn’t working.

    The first thing that struck me about this bitter Crystal is that she is opening her mouth now with some amount of obvious disapproval.. How the hell is she going to sell this song to PD, DJ and the public if she doesn’t first find a way to believe and stand behind the song? There is more at stake here than just getting her way and releasing what she wants.

  185. Crystal’s fans are just as pissed as she is that the label has decided to force out their pet single ahead of all the fantastic originals we had hoped for. I just can’t see how pissing off the artist and her fan base is a smart move by the execs, but since I’m buying the abum not the single anyway it’s no skin off my ass.

    Jive could care less what Crystal’s idol fanbase wants or has to say. The uproar will only paint her in a negative light to the label if she supports it. She should actually look to how Kris handled the uproar about The Truth as an example here. I have no doubt that Kris knew how upset the fans were with the choice of the remade version of The Truth as his second single. But he never let on about how he might not have liked it, which from the fact that it’s not part of his set on the Lifehouse tour definitely seems to be likely. In fact, he and his family and PR team tried to make it into something positive, fun, lighthearted by pushing the elephant twibbon campaign. Kris never encouraged his fans to petition Jive for a different single, though many did that on their own. And Kris actually had a better position then Crystal to start with, because LLWD had already done so well for him when everything erupted.

  186. I don’t think she’s arrogant at all. She’s been quoted enough times about how grateful she is for everything and how much she loved the Idol experience. She’s been quite respectful to all artists, even asking Miley Cyrus to sign her guitiar (!).

    But the girl has no filter. I think she just says whatever she feels at the time. She probably sees that as being honest or “real” or whatever, but those statements do not happen in a vacuum. We don’t know how the people she has to work with to get her record out feel about the things she says.

    Maybe they don’t care, they are just going to try to get their money regardless. Maybe not. I hope they have think skins at Jive. If not, I hope Crystal learns to STFU on Twitter. LOL

    As far as generic songs go, I really don’t think this one is bad. What makes it sound cheesy is the instrumentation and super shiny production IMO. Crystal does have a certain gravitas to her persona, so I think she can sing this in a way that makes it seem deeper than it is. Fingers crossed that her version sounds better, more “Crystal”.

  187. @jambajim
    “Heh. As in, you’d never know she didn’t write it. She sang it with the same passion as her originals. And it has a similar vibe.” about 1 hour ago via web

    that’s nice to hear, if she sings it with passion, then she connects with the song

  188. But the girl has no filter. I think she just says whatever she thinks at the time. She probably sees that as being honest or “real” or whatever,

    Yeah, this is it, I think. But the problem is that those in the public eye, those trying to do a dance to get what they can out of big corporations, as well as those on Twitter need to *get* a filter. For self-preservation.

    I wish life were simple enough for no-filter speaking to work out. But Crystal’s life certainly is not at this time.

  189. Well, the public has only heard the demo, which doesn’t have Crystal’s voice on it and may have even been changed up from the demo. the one person who heard it, jambjim, said it was very good. She’s got a great drummer, she seemed happy with the vh1 recording show, which I assumed included Hold On, so I don’t think things are as gloomy as all that. Things seem to be moving forward for her. So don’t fret yet. This song was sung and recorded by her already, so it’s bound to be a good song. If the only complaint is that it’s not a cowrite, then maybe hope they release more than one single maybe?

  190. Crystal’s fans are just as pissed as she is that the label has decided to force out their pet single ahead of all the fantastic originals we had hoped for. I just can’t see how pissing off the artist and her fan base is a smart move by the execs, but since I’m buying the abum not the single anyway it’s no skin off my ass.

    Crystal hardly sold any copies of her AI studio albums, the “coronation” song, or ay of the other singles, so from Jive’s point of view, there aren’t a lot of fans for them to offend.

    I was worried about Jive trying to force Crystal into being a mainstream artist, but the truth is that they have to find a way to introduce her to people, let people see who she is as an artist, and let them know that she has an album available. There are not a lot of ways that they can do this, the most efficient way is radio, but there are not a lot of radio stations that are going to play “Up to the Mountain” or “Holy Toledo”. I think someone who is both a smart writer and a smart artists figures out a way to make music that is both commercial and a representation of who they are. If Crystal is smart she will know how to make this song her own, and realize that she has to first capture people’s attention, before she can get them to pay attention to songs that are more folky and out of the norm.

  191. From jambajim:

    Heh. As in, you’d never know she didn’t write it. She sang it with the same passion as her originals. And it has a similar vibe.

    IMO, what’s going to make or break this single is the production on the record itself as well as Crystals voice and phrasing. David Bendeth has a good track record although he leans more heavily toward the heavy metal and hard rock genres. Still, I’m hopeful. :)

    I’m also thrilled that Chad Szeilega is going to be the drummer/percussionist for her band. He has a solid reputation among his peers and is highly praised for his work with Breaking Bejamin.

  192. Fun side note: Mamasox introduced the song — which tackles alcoholism and child abuse — by joking that it was her first single. “No wait, that’s ‘Hold On,’ right Joe?” she quipped to Jive bigwig Joe Riccitelli, seen grinning through his teeth on the sidelines.

    That actually makes me feel better. Her tone doesn’t translate well on Twitter comments, which make her come across as more dramatic/whiny than she is in person. I think behind the scenes, she is amiable and smart and has a good relationship and open dialogue with Jive. I think it’ll be fine.

  193. That is great that VH1 is eager to promote Crystal. They have been so wonderful to Adam with his “Unplugged” special and the “Posted” feature and all the coverage they give him. I hope that Crystal gets the same kind of treatment. :) They definitely know talent!

  194. I don’t think she believes she’s better than everyone around her. Not really. I just think she suffers a bit from the same poor preconceptions a lot of youth suffer from; that she knows what’s best, or at least, that what she does know is all she needs to. A lot of young people who are new to such endeavors forget that practical experience almost always outweighs theoretical.

    She probably has this idealized notion of how the business works, perhaps based off of what she has seen on tv or on hearsay, and expects it to be that way. Except, life rarely, if ever, follows the idealized. From the outside, everything seems simple and smooth, but geez, what a mess when looked at from the first hand perspective. Rules and procedures to follow, personal conflicts to maneuver so as to keep the peace or just to move forward, scheduling, marketing, the promotions, and test markets. So many variables, that most people just don’t think about when they get themselves into something.

    As for the single, she could vary well have made it her own. Until we hear it though, we can’t say otherwise. She could have easily stated “NO worries, everyone. I owned that song! Trust!” or “Once you hear it, there will be no doubt that it’s my style. And it’s just a preview of the great stuff to come!”

    It’s not an either or situation. She can admit to it not being hers, even hint that the rest is better, and still support the song.

  195. That actually makes me feel better. Her tone doesn’t translate well on Twitter comments, which make her come across as more dramatic/whiny than she is in person. I think behind the scenes, she is amiable and smart and has a good relationship and open dialogue with Jive. I think it’ll be fine.

    I had the same reaction reading that MTV piece. Everything seems like its going well enough.

    I am officially no longer worried about Crystal vs Jive.

  196. I doubt anybody at Jive is phased or angered when she speaks her mind on Twitter. Based on what Cantinello saw, she does it to their faces. Crystal is unfiltered. As long as she doesn’t start talking about her fans being smelly, she hasn’t crossed a line yet.

  197. means quoted for truth

    aww I kinda thought it was something like that but couldn’t quite figure it out.. :D thanks

  198. I so over her after this. What a child! Crystal needs to grow up…and be smart about things.

    And someone said something about she´ll get dropped and begin to do “real music”. WTF! Music is music! I hate Katy Perry but she DOES real music! If it makes you fell something or if it makes you laugh or cry or dance or whatever it´s music!! I don´t get your point!

  199. Would she rather push and push and push for a cowrite to be the single only to have Jive push it as much as they’ve pushed Archie’s last three “singles” or Kris’s AWM? Or go with the label-backed song that will have Jive’s radio team’s full support and promo? I’m not exactly a fan of Crystal’s, even though I like her, but if I were a fan, I’d rather she get a label-supported single and the big push…

    A major label artist has three public choices — smile and promote the single the label selects, whine/complain and lead their fans to not support the single, or say nothing. The is no way a new artist has any say in the process of selecting a single — none.

    The best path is to smile and promote the single, build credibility with the label with sales and then make a business-like presentation about why your desired artistic direction will make the label money.

    And a single without label support is DOA. Many singles even with label support do not make it.

    Crystal’s fans will buy her album no what which song Jive choses for the single, so I don’t believe that Jive is too worried if Crystal’s AI fanbase is upset … Jive is trying to get radioplay for Crystal to help her sell albums and perhaps make a profit.

    Crystal does not have enough committed fans to make her album a hit — she needs casual fans to buy it.

    Actually I bet that Jive does care about these fan tweets and that, if the lack of fan support is broad based, it could cause Jive to spend less on promoting “Hold On”. A label wants to be sure that fans will be there to request a song and work to get it more airplay.

    Jive is only interested in maximizing profits — if they think airplay will drive profitable sales, they will invest in it. If they think that that investment will not pay off, they will not throw more money at it. Examples — Kris, Archie, Allison, Ciarra and many others.

  200. QFT

    Ok this one is new to me…what does it mean?

    I interpreted it as “Quite F**king True”, but I could easily be wrong.

  201. Actually I bet that Jive does care about these fan tweets and that, if the lack of fan support is broad based, it could cause Jive to spend less on promoting “Hold On”. A label wants to be sure that fans will be there to request a song and work to get it more airplay.

    If Jive cared about fan tweets a lot of what happened to Allison would have been different (Scars, really, Jive?) The Truth would have been pulled before being sent for adds as a single for Kris. Archie would have probably had a better roll-out of his second single.

  202. Fun side note: Mamasox introduced the song – which tackles alcoholism and child abuse

    Well, it looks like Crystal wanted “Farmer’s Daughter” to be the single. Maybe it will be the next one.

    Crystal doesn’t have a conceited bone in her body and she certainly doesn’t think she’s better than anyone else. Quite the contrary, she thinks everyone is, or should be, on equal footing. However, Crystal is a perfectionist when it comes to her music – she wants it to be done HER way. One of her brothers said that she has always been this way when it came to her music. She and her brothers used to perform in their own band when they were kids called “Oldinuph”. Maybe her music was the ONLY thing she felt she could control?

  203. And someone said something about she´ll get dropped and begin to do “real music”. WTF! Music is music! I hate Katy Perry but she DOES real music! If it makes you fell something or if it makes you laugh or cry or dance or whatever it´s music!! I don´t get your point!

    Think they were being snarky. Some opinions seem to be that only indie music that never sees the light of Soundscan constitutes “real” music, and they were playing off that.

  204. And someone said something about she´ll get dropped and begin to do “real music”. WTF! Music is music! I hate Katy Perry but she DOES real music! If it makes you fell something or if it makes you laugh or cry or dance or whatever it´s music!! I don´t get your point!

    I’m the one who said that quote, and what I meant by ” real music” is the type of music that has substance, longevity and isn’t generic. Sorry, but IMO people like Katy Perry make soulless, pop crap that i personally don’t consider to be “real music”. But then again, it’s my opinion, I’m not stating it as fact and yes I was being snarky.

    ETA: I just read the update. I’m happy that Jive and VH1 believe in her and it seems like they will promote her well. I’m hopeful that the rest of the album will reflect who she really is as an artist.

  205. Crystal Bowersox stopped by VH1’s offices Thursday morning (November 4) for a brief acoustic set. Apparently the gig was supposed to be a conference room performance just for executives, but the VH1 higher-ups believe so strongly in Crystal’s potential that they wanted to share her casual mini-concert with their viewers.

    Fun side note: Mamasox introduced the song — which tackles alcoholism and child abuse — by joking that it was her first single. “No wait, that’s ‘Hold On,’ right Joe?” she quipped to Jive bigwig Joe Riccitelli, seen grinning through his teeth on the sidelines.

    “Hold On” jokes aside, Riccitelli practically exploded with pride when introducing his recent acquisition. He read a personal e-mail from MTV Chairman and CEO Judy McGrath, who raved about Crystal’s recent performance at a “Girl Up” charity event, comparing Bowersox’s stage presence and talent to artists as varied as Taylor Swift and Eminem. Whoa!

    Reading the MTV interview two things are clear: Not only will Crystal be heavily promoted, she has Jive and VH1 panting like dogs with excitement. They think they have something HUGE.

    Look out…revolution MamaSox is about to hit with a vengeance.

  206. The write up of the VH1 event is impressive. Usually it’s the OTT fans that compare the Idols to superstars not VH1 suits. If VH1 does give Crystal a big push, she could get the coveted “real winner” of Idol promo. Of course, that’s the purpose of all promo…to build interest in an artist.

  207. Reading the MTV interview two things are clear: Not only will Crystal be heavily promoted, she has Jive and VH1 panting like dogs with excitement. They think they have something HUGE.

    Look out…revolution MamaSox is about to hit with a vengeance.

    Sorry to break it to you… but TPB rave about all their new acquisitions. And the DJs will rave about her when they introduce her record. Its how the game is played. Now, they may very well believe this.. actions speak louder than words.

    ETA: Oh.. I see that is Jim reporting on what happened at the taping. He really is known for his laid back, understated reporting. I like Jim. He sort of reminds me of a middle school kid jacked up on Halloween candy.

  208. I guess I understand why Crystal’s fans are upset that a non-Crystal song is the lead single. Just think that it unfortunate when any fans complain to a label — and Adam fans, Kris fans, Danny fans, Archie fans and Cook fans have all done it.

    1. Crystal has said on many occasions that she is writing all the songs on her album — this is from AI.com

    August 3, 2010: Crystal is currently working on her album simultaneously with the tour. As the first contestant to have an original song played on American Idol, can we expect more Bowersox-penned tunes on the album? “Definitely – I’m writing all of them…every single one! I’m so proud that I was the first finalist to have an original song on American Idol. It means a lot.”

    http://www.americanidol.com/news/view/pid/3546/

    That at the end of October said in an interview, she wrote or co-wrote every song on the album except for one.

    2. She Tweeted things like this….that indicated that she was fighting to do an indie-style album.

    crystalbowersox We love exactly what you do. Now do it differently. We can’t have an Indy type artist on a major label. Why the bleep not?

    Hopefully the lead single will reflect to overall album and promote album sales and be timed to lead the album sales. This was the big gap for Kris — and with Crystal’s album release on 12/14/10, they need to push the lead single hard before the Holiday freeze or she will be releasing an album with not much on the radio. As it is — a mid-December release date is challenging — but better then January.

  209. Look out…revolution MamaSox is about to hit with a vengeance

    I have a feeling that she will do just that and surprise us all. Yay go Crystal!

  210. Sorry to break it to you… but TPB rave about all their new acquisitions.

    It’s with incredible sadness and deep regret that I must reveal to you that Crystal is not an acquisition of VH1. It’s also with a very heavy heart and overpowering sense of despair that I am compelled to tell you that the MTV author hasn’t any reason to blow up Crystal with false hype.

  211. Hopefully the lead single will reflect to overall album and promote album sales and be timed to lead the album sales. This was the big gap for Kris — and with Crystal’s album release on 12/14/10, they need to push the lead single hard before the Holiday freeze or she will be releasing an album with not much on the radio. As it is — a mid-December release date is challenging — but better then January.

    I’m confused by your claim of the gap for Kris…

  212. I see nothing wrong with grown folks treating each other as equals. Crystal needs Jive and Jive needs the Crystal’s of the world. Crystal is not a wimpy female (thank goodness….I can’t stand a wimpy female!). I agree with Negativo….she has a good start and will grow from that by leaps and bounds!

  213. crystalbowersox Crystal Bowersox
    I’m alright. Don’t nobody worry bout me why you gotta get me to fight can’t you just let it be. :) loved that song.

    Crystal just tweeted this, It should put the whole thing in perspective for everyone.
    It’s all good!!!

  214. The MTV author you refer to is a very enthusiastic fan of all the Idols. It’s not false hype to him…it’s just his positive outlook on all things Idol. But the big plus is VH1 giving Crystal a big push. That will def help.

    It’s always better to wait until folks from Idol actually release albums before we comment on how huge they’re going to be. It just works out better all around that way. ;)

  215. When i saw that it was written by kara i expected total crap. Something like no boundaries but the song isnt to bad. Probably wont be a big hit but probably will be bigger that Lee’s silly song.

  216. It’s always better to wait until folks from Idol actually release albums before we comment on how huge they’re going to be. It just works out better all around that way.

    Well, yeah, especially since evvverrry year so-and-so Idol is going to be the *biggest**bestest**evah**!!!!

  217. Oh.. I see that is Jim reporting on what happened at the taping. He really is known for his laid back, understated reporting. I like Jim. He sort of reminds me of a middle school kid jacked up on Halloween candy.

    LOL! So true. Jim Cantiello, the master of hyperbole!

  218. Let me add to that which is said with world-weary head shaking that I think Crystal is a unique talent and I wish her the best. I just don’t think she’s going to set the world on fire from day 1. I think she’ll be able to carve out a solid, lasting career. But I guess I’m a bit too Idol-debut-album jaded by now to have *too* high of expectations :)

  219. Good luck to Crystal. I do think that she should learn what battles should be kept privately and that she does need the label’s support.
    I hope for her that Jive will actually push her. The single is released late, so she probably won’t have much radio presence when the album will drop- so I hope for her that she has some major promo for the album.
    It’s very nice to see the positive reaction to her from vh1 :).

  220. The MTV author you refer to is a very enthusiastic fan of all the Idols. It’s not false hype to him…it’s just his positive outlook on all things Idol. But the big plus is VH1 giving Crystal a big push. That will def help.

    JPfan you said this better than I did. VH1 certainly is a big plus.

  221. A major label artist has three public choices — smile and promote the single the label selects, whine/complain and lead their fans to not support the single, or say nothing. The is no way a new artist has any say in the process of selecting a single — none.

    Taylor Hicks tried. He even performed his chosen single during his television promo. The result? Arista did not release a single for him until 3 months after his album was released. The single they released? The one they wanted in the first place (Hicks finally aquiesced). By that time, his album had already fallen out of the top 200, they didn’t do much to push it and he was the only Idol in the top 9 not to get a video.

    So, yes, singles are the choice of the label. End of story.

    2nd Update: Crystal Bowersox tells a fan on twitter that she “can’t even speak about” the fact that her song is not a co-write. And then she tweets, “If you can’t say something nice, just keep your mouth shut and think about furry pink bunnies. Memo to self.” Crystal also gave her fans permission to spam the label to change the song to a co-write. Seriously? A terrible idea that ain’t going to work.

    Seriously? How old is she? Does she realize that she’s a professional?

  222. I’m not a huge fan of the song… but I look forward to hearing it.

    I’m excited that the VH1 higher ups are excited about Crystal, that can only be construed as a good thing.

    I think Gina needs to sit down and explain twitter better to Crystal. Jim’s account of her joking around with the guy from Jive makes it clear that the situation isn’t that bad, but her tweets make it sound worse.

  223. Negativo. Just a tip, google Jim cantiello and read his stuff about Idol debut albums. He is puppies and rainbows personified when it comes to Idols he likes.

    The MTV/VH1 email, that’s promising as hell.

  224. Seriously? How old is she? Does she realize that she’s a professional?

    Apparently she doesn’t have to be. She’s above such petty concerns as the rest of us mere mortals. lol

    She’ll learn and grow, or she won’t and go back to what she was doing before. Either way, she’s the only one who can make that choice.

  225. I can not express how disappointed, disgusted, and discouraged I am to learn that the parasites, Jive and the infamous Mrs. Robinson are no doubt selling out Crystal’s career for the short money. The market is controlled by thieves and the last thing they want is to share revenues with talented artist. I am so proud that Crystal is standing up for herself, although I feel like it is going to be a loosing battle for her.

    “Hold On” It’s a lyrical piece of shit! Not all that surprising since it’s co-written by Kara. Bowersox’ beautiful voice isn’t going to salvage that nonsense piece of crap and she knows it. And for those of you that feel Crystal is being ungrateful, it’s not your career that your Label is sending down the porclein appliance.

    “And as the flames climbed high into the night
    To light the sacrificial rite,
    I saw Satan laughing with delight,
    The day the music died.”
    Don McLean

  226. anovich:
    11/04/2010 at 4:37 pm

    Hopefully the lead single will reflect to overall album and promote album sales and be timed to lead the album sales. This was the big gap for Kris — and with Crystal’s album release on 12/14/10, they need to push the lead single hard before the Holiday freeze or she will be releasing an album with not much on the radio. As it is — a mid-December release date is challenging — but better then January.

    I’m confused by your claim of the gap for Kris…

    I just used Kris as an example of a potential problem Jive has had many times in the past — because most people are familiar with Kris. Jive has a history of creating big singles and failing to convert that into album sale. That is partly do the the genre of many of the artists on their roster.

    Crystal needs a big hit single to build awareness of her music and to promote her album. But if they release the album with no single AND/OR the single attracts interest from people who do not like her album, the album may not sell well.

    So — it this song is representative of Crystal as an artist and the over artistic focus of the album and attracts fans who want this album — sale will be good.

    But look at Jordin — Battlefield — big hit single/weak album sales, Kris — LLWD — big hit single/weak album sales….

    And there are a number of Jive artists that have albums coming out with no hit singles — Archie we all know, Ciara they just released her third single from her upcoming album and it is not being promoted.

    With Jive’s track record — not just with Idols — and the fact that this looks like a big hit single strategy to me — I just hope Jive doesn’t f’ this up. Frankly, I was optimistic for Crystal’s album until I heard this song. Sorry but I do not get the Crystal vibe from this, I get the “we want something we can promote to radio and get airplay vibe.”

    ETA: Gap for Kris is a sales gap — LLWD became a hit and did not drive any ongoing album sales. That is a sales conversion gap — I will buy your album but not buy your single.

    At the end of December 2009 (last sales week with post holiday digital buying bump).

    LLWD Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (109,000, +171 percent, 399,000) KATA ended the year with 228,000 units sold. The album went on to sell about 100,000 more units even though LLWD continue to gain in airplay and sales selling about 1.2 million more units. That indicates a sales conversion gap.

  227. I’m excited that the VH1 higher ups are excited about Crystal, that can only be construed as a good thing.

    I agree, that is good news. I’m excited to hear her album.

  228. I can not express how disappointed, disgusted, and discouraged I am to learn that the parasites, Jive and the infamous Mrs. Robinson are no doubt selling out Crystal’s career for the short money. The market is controlled by thieves and the last thing they want is to share revenues with talented artist. I am so proud that Crystal is standing up for herself, although I feel like it is going to be a loosing battle for her.

    And that is why they invested $2 million in her album including paying her a $300,000 advance.

    All I can think of is the old expression — “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.”

    If Jive cared about fan tweets a lot of what happened to Allison would have been different (Scars, really, Jive?) The Truth would have been pulled before being sent for adds as a single for Kris. Archie would have probably had a better roll-out of his second single.

    Jive is not going to change direction based on fan opinions — but if a label does not see….

    1. Positive feedback from target PDs AND/OR

    2. Indications of strong fan support.

    A label will sometimes abandon a single. No chance of a hit without some initial support from PDsb (SBL for example). And if they have to sell a single to fans, it diverts money and energy needed to promote the single to non-fans — which is the entire point of a single.

    Granted some decisions are so braindead you wonder how Jive got there — TT and Scars are high on my list of bad choices.

  229. I wonder if Crystal and Jive are playing everyone like a fiddle? Hope so cause I like the song I am hearing.

  230. And if they have to sell a single to fans, it diverts money and energy needed to promote the single to non-fans — which is the entire point of a single.

    IMO, this is exactly why Crystal expressing her discontent with her first single and encouraging the fans to let Jive know that they (and her) want another song released is so counterproductive.

  231. Q3, interesting point of view. Thanks! Sadly, if you had listened to “Hold On,” you might feel as I do, it is disappointing and lacking! I know that is Subjective but I’ve listened to it many times and tried to appreciate the lyrics but it’s just not happening. Bowersox’ original songs are all about the lyrics. If artists can’t put something out that they’re proud of, what’s the use? Oh Yeah! It’s the money. Not everyone is in the business entirely for the money. Although, I have to say that I’m sure, “You’re probably right!”

  232. LOL Crystal is completely sabatoging herself.
    she seems incredibly naive about how the music industry works.
    i dont know if she realizes this but Jive is NOT doing well, they had failed albums from Allison, Archie and Jordin Sparks.
    She’s lucky she was even able to write SOME of her material. Most artists dont get to write their own debut albums anyway. did she think she was gonna get special treatment? i know she’s a singer songwriter but this is a major label we’re talking about that doesnt want to risk another failed album. the more she keeps whining and complaining the less likely i feel like they’ll push another single if this one fails.

  233. Lightspeed Dialer – It’s interesting that you quote American Pie, one of the most over-rated pieces of crap ever recorded, to prove your point about the bad lyrics in Hold On. Gave me a pretty good laugh, I must say.

    I think Crystal will make this song a hit, if she put any effort into the recording at all. It’s going to get play, it’s going to attract new interest in her album, and I can easily see this being a cross-over hit on country as well.

    I love her, but I agree with others that she needs to stfu. This girl has the world on a string right now, don’t screw it up by whining about Jive and your first single.

  234. Reminder:

    Honestly? If you’re skin is so thin you can’t handle criticism of Crystal without baiting other posters? You need to stop reading the thread now.

  235. Q3:

    That’s why I’m not sure if it’s a good idea for her to be so vocal about not liking the single, at least from Jive’s perspective, because to them it will look like the fans aren’t supporting her. I understand her being disapointed, though.

    I kind of wonder if the reason that for the American Idol debut albums, if the reason the first single not is not written by them is because when the single is released, their albums aren’t even finished. In particular, I remember Kris saying something about releasing LLWD before the writing and selection was done on his album.

    I do think that this is the first time there were so many songs written pre idol used on an album. I think this might have to do with Crystal not recording while on tour, and Jive wanting to get the album out so fast.

    I don’t think the song is that bad, but I don’t think it really represents Crystal.

    ETA: I do think that if an artist has a problem with their record company, they have a right to speak up to them and try to work things out, but it would probably be better not to do this in public. Like, if Crystals fans don’t support the single because they know she’s not happy with it, it could look like a failure to the record company. If she has some success with the first single, and more singles, she should be able to get more what she wants.

  236. She’s got a rich powerful voice, she writes songs that ring true, that puts her heart right out there, that make you think: “I don’t know her life – but I know truth when I hear it”, she doesn’t pull any punches, she’s a musician, she’s HONEST.

    I’ve listened to every song in her live sessions since Idol, and: Loved. Them. All.

    The single? Well, she’s an artist – a painter would wanna put out his/her paintings, not someone else’s stuff, even if it’s Picasso, KWIM?

    Still, I’ve heard it, and love it. Kara was an awful judge, but she can write songs. Pink’s (another of my faves) Sober is incredible – music AND lyrics.

    I love Crystal. I hope she never changes. She’s gonna be huuuuuuuuuge!

  237. FWIW I don’t think it’s a terrible song. Generic sure, but I think Crystal could work with it and make it more “her”. It’s no worse than Cook’s CBTM lol. Not that I was happy about CBTM mind you so I feel your pain Crystal fans! Welcome to the wonderful world of post AI realities.

    Not everyone is in the business entirely for the money

    And that’s totally OK, maybe even admirable in some regards, but then they probably don’t belong on a major label. Because major labels are stockholder owned enterprises that are in fact in business “entirely for the money”. They aren’t there to finance an artist’s creative aspirations, they’re in business to sell a product. If Crystal can’t navigate within that reality, she should probably go the indie route for everybody’s sake.

  238. Well, I actually am kinda surprised that Crystal’s first single isn’t one of her originals – but then again, it’s not like that should be that surprising.

    I’ve gathered two interesting things from these updates that kinda confirm the direction that I think they’re going with Crystal. First of all, the selection of her drummer – of course a musician with any sort of skill can change styles pretty easily but with all the performers out there, you would think that they’d go with someone who fairly closely fits the genre. In other words – Breaking Benjamin…modern rock, kinda the direction I’ve been thinking Crystal would actually end up going.

    Second, “Hold On,” at least the demo, does have a tiny touch of a country sound to it too. I’m thinking this may be an indication they’ll let a little bit of country flavor come through too.

    It’s not Top 40 pop, but more HAC leaning female Daughtry with a country twist.

    That pretty much sums it up, IMO.

    Anyways, I’m sure Crystal is disappointed that she’s recorded all of these originals and then the first single will be a song that isn’t an original. I can’t fathom not having the pride in your own work that would lead you to being disappointed when you thought there was such a good chance of having your own song be the first single. I don’t really think she sounds ungrateful – I think it’s mostly disappointment. And as I’ve said before, Crystal pretty much knows nothing in life but fighting and struggling for everything. She wants to put out the best she can, both for herself and for her fans. Is she naive to the ways of major record labels? I’m sure she is – she’s never had a contract with one before, and anyone who hasn’t would undoubtedly not know all the ins and outs of that world. Unless someone here has had such a contract before, I doubt anyone here would even know either, and it’s well known that Crystal didn’t follow the show, or the careers of people coming from it, before she went on. And I don’t think it should matter. The reality could be that we’re seeing ALL of Crystal’s disagreements with her label, whereas in the past little to none of it ever saw the light of day. The little glimpse into what the atmosphere for her performance was like sounds like there isn’t tension between her and Riccitelli.

    People who are turned off by Crystal’s attitude will likely in the end be turned off by her music. She puts a good bit of “herself” into it. She’s not the kind that backs down from what she believes, and yet seems to be fiercely loyal and caring about the things that matter to her. Obviously her music itself is one of those things. For all we know, Jive may sigh, roll their eyes, and then walk away and figure “we knew we were signing this, it’s not a surprise.” They may even figure that Crystal NEEDS to act this way for her appeal to work. She didn’t get where she is by being a shrinking violet, and if she becomes one now, she’ll only look like another pawn of the industry. And yeah you could say she doesn’t have the cred to have these battles – but the problem is, if she doesn’t fight these battles now, she won’t have the cred down the line to start fighting them because she’ll be too compromised by then. (I know, she’s already compromised by having been on AI. Yada yada yada, it’s the scarlet letter, I know.)

  239. I think it is a decent song, but a very weak IMHO. I replayed the demo a gazilion times and it still doesn’t grab me. Something’s amiss. I can’t even hum to it without the background music. It’s not memorable. But on the bright side, I can see this song used on DWTS to one of their waltz dances, though.

  240. I could understand this kind of attitude from the artist if this was the first or second season of Idol. But let’s not be naive. She went on American Idol for God’s sake! If she wants to sing her music then stick to the bar scene and try and work your way up via Tracey Chapman, Jewel etc. But don’t be fooled…Jewel, Sheryl Crow…they are all amazing song writers who have had to pay their pop dues. Crystal is biting the hand that feeds her. She can’t have it both ways.

  241. I listened to the demo and was slightly reminded of Lady Antebellum. Which kind of made me happy, because they are very successful right now, and I really like Crystal and want her to be successful. I could hear Crystal’s voice doing this song very well.

    But then I started reading the comments and hearing how Crystal is handling the release of her first single, and I’m thinking WTF!!!! What is she thinking? She signed a contract with this label, I have to think because she thought they would develop and promote her musical career. But she’s criticizing them publicly – again – and did she really ask her fans to spam the label? Come on already!! She needs to let Jive do their job, and if they fail, then she might have something to complain about. Crystal has no experience with promoting her music on a large scale and she definitely doesn’t have enough success in her background to warrant acting like a diva. Someone needs to reign her in. And I like her a lot, she has a great voice, but count me as one of the fans who are becoming turned off by her before she even tries to sell me one song.

  242. Crystal is biting the hand that feeds her.

    Actually, she’s going to be feeding them, and wants to make sure everyone gets the best meal possible. Sometimes the chef needs to tell the restaurateur to get the hell out of the kitchen.

  243. Actually, she’s going to be feeding them, and wants to make sure everyone gets the best meal possible. Sometimes the chef needs to tell the restaurateur to get the hell out of the kitchen.

    Considering this is actually the field that I work in, this analogy is probably more accurate than you might even realize (unless you’ve worked in a restaurant as well). I don’t know how much money she’ll actually end up making for them (I mean, I’m a big fan too but considering some of the other artists on their roster, it’s not like their stable is empty), but there is something to be said for the fact that sometimes the person who knows what’s best for someone is…that person themselves.

  244. I’d imagine she knows what style of performance works best for her. I’d hope so at least. But that has nothing to with with knowing what is best in the market. What will sell, what won’t, nor how best to go about it.

    Could they be wrong, sure, it’s happened. But the odds of her knowing better than them when she has zero experience in the business? Yeah, not great betting odds

  245. They may or may not really know better. Surely they have the experience, and it really does serve them best for her to succeed – but as others have said, she’s basically expendable to Jive. Reading between the lines of what was said by the VH1/MTV execs and from the Jive PTB as well, it seems to me that there’s definitely interest. But…interest in what? Interest in what they could make her into, or in what she actually is?

    I still think Crystal’s album will be fine – very good even. And I actually think this single will turn out fine too – it really would have been nice if it was one of her originals, but hopefully when it’s all said and done it’ll still be a good song. As was said earlier, I’ll be buying the whole album anyways, not just buying the single, so it doesn’t really matter to me what the single is. Rarely is any artist’s single(s) my favorite song on an album anyways.

  246. I’d have to hear Crystal’s take on the song. The demo sounds like mainstream AC schlock, but that could just be Kara interpretation.

  247. Yeah. I’d much rather base an opinion on the song on Her version than the demo. Mainly cause I can’t stand Kara’s voice.

  248. negativo:
    11/04/2010 at 8:58 pm
    Crystal is biting the hand that feeds her.

    Actually, she’s going to be feeding them, and wants to make sure everyone gets the best meal possible. Sometimes the chef needs to tell the restaurateur to get the hell out of the kitchen

    It’s kind of like the chef being told by the restauranteur that the chef has to make hamburgers because they’re so popular, when she’d rather be making gourmet meals because thats what she thought she was hired to do. But then she goes and tells everyone not to eat the hamburgers and to complain about them, and then they don’t sell any meals.

    I think there’s a point to all this but it’s making me hungry…..

  249. The odds of her knowing better than them when she has zero experience in the business? Yeah, not great betting odds.

    I, for one, would take that bet in a heartbeat. Jive just got done ruining Allison, and putting the Kara song before Crystal just proves they haven’t learned a damn thing from their mistakes. Record labels do not like risk, so they choose formula songs and plug in artists.

    Crystal is anything but a formula pop star, so Jive would be wise to take a submissive roll artistically and give creative license to her – just like Crystal is not a publicist or promoter. Labels aren’t good at creating art; they just package and sell it. Best they stick to what they’re good at, and leave Crystal to what she’s good at, and everyone wins.

  250. Although I think Crystal is super talented, I have to admit her attitude is really beginning to turn me off. She doesn’t seem to be grateful at all for the opportunity that Idol and her label have given her. Did she think that she could use them both without paying the price of compromise? They’ve rolled back the release date, allowed her to put her originals on the album and still she’s not happy. :(

  251. negativo:
    11/04/2010 at 10:48 pm
    Crystal is anything but a formula pop star, so Jive would be wise to take a submissive roll artistically and give creative license to her – just like Crystal is not a publicist or promoter. Labels aren’t good at creating art; they just package and sell it. Best they stick to what they’re good at, and leave Crystal to what she’s good at, and everyone wins.

    Major record companies don’t take submissive roles, especially with new artist. With the amount of money they have forked over to produce this album, they will have their pointy noses in every aspect of Crystal’s album. If she don’t like it, that’s unfortunate for her, because JIVE don’t give substantial control over to the artist. JIVE chooses the singles, not the artist. They will give her some leeway when she proves that she can sell album or singles. She hasn’t proven anything yet and JIVE will keep their hands on the reins to guide her as they see fit. Lee and Crystal will get a year to prove what type of artist they are and if they have what it takes to make money for their respective record companies and themselves. If they do, they will get a second album, if they fail, they will be dropped.

  252. I have to agree – Crystal’s lousy attitude is beginning to wear thin. It seems every other article is about her being unhappy about something with her record label. The truth is, she has yet to prove herself in the market place. No one forced to go on a cheesy reality TV singing competition, so what did she expect? And no matter how talented she is, she could very well be dropped by Jive next year at this time.

  253. It seems like a lot of people in the industry like Crystal–I doubt the suits at Jive are concerned about taking some ribbing from her now and then, particularly if the product she puts out is good. I think she is actually handling this with a pretty good sense of humor. I mean a Nickleback/Kara song for Crystal’s first single? WTF?! LOL!

  254. This song is better than SS but it’s nothing to write home about really. I’m very surprised that they didn’t give her at least a co-write on her first single, since songwriting is one of her strong suits. You would think they would have tried to market her that way. It’s disappointing that she’ll have to sell a song she took no part in writing. I’m sure she’ll do a fine job with it though. She’s very talented.

    Having said that, I’ve been turned off too by what I perceive as a sense of entitlement from her part and it’s not just today. It’s been like a slow drip-drip… enough that I took a break from following her online and posting in her threads, thinking it was just me, being grumpy or something… lol Anyway, I don’t know what it is… this fighting and arguing… it’s been enough for me to not care that much anymore. I’m sure I’ll check her album and will like most of it (I’m a fan of her music) but I’m not a fan of her, as a person. There, I said it. Hey, she’s not for everyone. Nobody is…

  255. I could understand this kind of attitude from the artist if this was the first or second season of Idol. But let’s not be naive. She went on American Idol for God’s sake! If she wants to sing her music then stick to the bar scene and try and work your way up via Tracey Chapman, Jewel etc. But don’t be fooled…Jewel, Sheryl Crow…they are all amazing song writers who have had to pay their pop dues. Crystal is biting the hand that feeds her. She can’t have it both ways.

    IA, serious artists that apply to idol need to do their homework, they have to know the consequences of signing a contract with 19/Sony. Kelly was in the first season, she was very young and nobody really knew what would happen next, but 8 seasons later, there’s no excuse.
    It’s not really a surprise that Crystal is having some problems considering what happened on the show and I can appreciate her honesty but she should have taken things more seriously before signing up.

  256. Having taken a gander at Crystal’s tweets, I have to say the small sampling shown here gives a very lopsided view. I don’t think Crystal is at all ungrateful but she does have very strong feelings about what she likes and doesn’t like. I don’t think anyone but Crystal knows what she is and isn’t willing to trade off, and what success means to her. I also get the impression that the album will have a little bit of rock and country and pop.

    I too have gotten frustrated with how seemingly stubborn Crystal has seemed at times, and do think she has a lot to learn about the wide world of the music biz. But I can understand why she would be less than thrilled to have that piece of generic fluff be her first ever single. We still haven’t heard what they’re going to do with the production but with Idol and Jive’s history, I think the chance of it being an over produced bit of shlock is more likely than not. And we also know that Crystal will have very little say over that production. That’s just how the game is played. I think she’s trying hard to play the game and be diplomatic, but I don’t think its in her nature to do so. I can respect that while also realizing that it might limit her choices going forward. So be it. You know, if she’s as hot as they think she might be, they’ll live with it. And if not, they won’t. Ultimately, it will all come down to sales either way.

  257. Crystal’s tweets didn’t really bother me that much. I assumed that she and higher-ups at Jive had little to no contact and they were simply giving her orders through a third party, which was bound to make anyone frustrated. Not a wise idea to air it on twitter, but whatever.

    However, reading Jim Cantiello’s article put things in a different perspective. Just hours before her tweets, she was in direct contact with a Jive bigwig who reads a amazing e-mail from the CEO of MTV. She jokes about the underlying reasons why “Farmers Daughter” can’t be her first single. I’m assuming (maybe incorrectly) that she had an opportunity to discuss her dissatisfaction with the single with said bigwig. Why, oh why, oh why, did that get followed up with her public tweets? I actually never considered that Crystal was buying into the hype that some of the idol pundits this season created around her, until now.

  258. Tweet from VFTW:

    @crystalbowersox The first single blows. We understand why you don’t like it. The original songs are much better

    Crystal’s reply:

    @votefortheworst thanks VFTW!

    You go, girl! Give ’em hell!

  259. I just see Crystal as being … um Crystal. She’s always been pretty much up front with what she wants. It pretty much seems this will be her first single, Jive knows it and Crystal knows it. Why would she suddenly change how she thinks about the whole situation? I also believe with her spin on the song, as long as they don’t overproduce it, it will be really good! I’m really excited about hearing her album and her take on the song, nothing is going to turn me off of an amazing artist.

    I think we’re saying the same thing movin2thabeet, well at least about who Crystal and why she’s responding as she is. I do think this song has some potential though, with her take on it. We’ll see.

  260. I’ll bet anyone here that Hold On ends up not being the first single when it’s all said and done…Look for RWTR to end up as the 1st single, Hold On the 2nd.

    You heard it here first.

  261. I actually never considered that Crystal was buying into the hype that some of the idol pundits this season created around her, until now.

    And I still don’t think Crystal is buying into any such hype. I mean, come on, this girl lived in a van behind a 7-11 when she first moved to Chicago. She grew up in poverty in a single parent household, and herself ended up being left by a guy while she was pregnant with her child. She was subject to constant torment by her peers while younger, and she was even still bullied by the public during the season of Idol for her unconventional looks. She’d been writing and performing for well over 10 years and hadn’t yet “made it,” so I really don’t think she suddenly thinks she’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think she’s just frustrated by the fact that, in order to be accepted, people want her to change. Why should she? Yeah I get it, because Jive signed her to their label, and she should be subserviant to their demands – she owes her whole life to them after all, doesn’t she? No. She’s worked for most of her life on honing her own craft and she doesn’t really want to give it all up because it’s HER LIFE and career and not the record label’s, or anyone else’s. It’s hers. All she’s fought for her whole life, to be a successful musician, has brought her to this point. If she just gives in on everything now and sells 1 album and then the public moves on, and 10 years from now she’s considered a “has been” who once was on American Idol, will she actually still be set for life? Will she have the credibility at that point to continue as an indie artist or will she end up literally back in the coffee shops and subways as some have said? At least this way if she fights and fights and fights, and then loses, she’s fought for and gotten as much of her artistic vision represented on this major label debut as possible, and maybe if/when she gets dropped or can leave the contract herself, she’ll retain enough dignity to continue successfully, if not as a “superstar.” She herself has said success isn’t about the money, it’s about doing what you love – but what if where they’re trying to push her isn’t what she loves?

    IMO, the whole “she’s arrogant and acts entitled” concept has come from those who for some reason or another, are intimidated by a woman who has strong opinions of her own. As much as I don’t want to say this, I’ll say it anyways – if Crystal was a guy, I really don’t think she’d deal with the same level of criticism for sticking up for herself as she does. People expect guys to stand up for their opinions…and many people at the same time expect women to be submissive. I’m a guy, and I’m sorry, but that’s bullshit. Go Crystal, fight for what you want and believe. I’ll still be buying. You may not win them all (we already know you won’t) but just the fact that you’re fighting for what you believe and winning some of them will keep you more relevant, sincere, and honest in many of our minds than many others in the industry ever will be. And if the early word from VH1, MTV, and even the higher-ups in your label is any indication, even if you are a bit of a pain in the ass to work with, your talent is recognized. We’re not saying you’re the 2nd coming, but there is NOTHING wrong with sticking up for what you want and believe. Too much of this country just immediately bows down before what someone else tells them they can and can’t do.

  262. I think I’ll make some popcorn and sit back and watch Crystal “give em hell”. That should turn out good. When people predicted weeks ago it would be entertaining if her first single would be pop fluff she didn’t write I had no idea it would be this fun!

  263. negativo:
    11/05/2010 at 12:26 am
    Tweet from VFTW:

    @crystalbowersox The first single blows. We understand why you don’t like it. The original songs are much better

    Crystal’s reply:

    @votefortheworst thanks VFTW!

    You go, girl! Give ‘em hell!

    That’s the first Twitter exchange I’ve seen that actually did kinda bother me a bit. Crystal actually “gets” VFTW, she understands what they’re about, but acknowledging that one there might be a teensy bit too far. Although I can pretend that she’s just thanking them for complimenting her original songs and not referring to their support in her dissatisfaction with the first single. But yeah…bugs me a bit.

    Changing singles, to me, seems unlikely. If Crystal has been hard for them to work with, I would think they’d put their foot down on this one totally just to try to “show her who’s boss.” I don’t like that but I would see them doing it. Unless this was actually planned – push Hold On as the first single, and then after she complains about it and fans complain about it too, switch to Riding With the Radio. Give her more “indie” cred by showing her as being anti-establishment when it comes to single choice. Lol.

  264. Mozart, her background, and the struggles she’s had to deal with is why I never really believed she was buying into any hype before. And I see your point about the difference in perception about how men and women conduct themselves. I’m in a predominantly male-dominated profession with very few women who reach the higher ranks, I see what you’re saying all the time. My issue stems from the (perhaps incorrect) assumption that she has been able to discuss her frustrations with people in power to do something about it. I love the idea of Crystal having open, honest discussion with the higher-ups. She seems like the type of person to have these discussions, without hesitations. What I don’t like is that she felt that it would be beneficial and somehow helpful to take these disagreements to twitter. She gets massive bonus points for standing up for what she wants to the people who count, she gets no points from me for making these battles public.

    I’ll add a caveat. If, in fact, despite the Jive dude showing up to her acoustic show, she’s still never had a chance to properly sell her cause and expectations directly to the suits, I do understand the frustration.

  265. IMO, the whole “she’s arrogant and acts entitled” concept has come from those who for some reason or another, are intimidated by a woman who has strong opinions of her own. As much as I don’t want to say this, I’ll say it anyways – if Crystal was a guy, I really don’t think she’d deal with the same level of criticism for sticking up for herself as she does.

    See, I don’t get that. Why can’t it just be that some people just… really do think she’s arrogant/entitled/whatever? I personally could care less if she’s green or purple or male or female, I think she ought to chill out and give the single a chance to get out there before she undermines it. I’m not intimidated by her, I’m a strong, opinionated woman myself. If she was a guy, I’d call her out on it just the same if I disagreed. She’s not the first or the last person to make me scratch my head with something they said on twitter.

    Now maybe there are some posters out there who want to keep the woman down but… You can perceive someone as arrogant or obnoxious without being intimidated by them. That’s just an opinion, just like the people on the other side of it don’t think she is.

    I think I’ll make some popcorn and sit back and watch Crystal “give em hell”. That should turn out good.

    FINALLY, ol’ Season 9 is heating up. Hooray! I’ve got my popcorn… no, wait. I gotta go buy some. Good thing my son is peddling his Cub Scouts popcorn…

  266. Bottom line: If Crystal doesn’t like the first single, she won’t be able to convincingly sell it. Besides her beautiful voice, its her refreshing honesty and openness that is her calling card. Forcing her to trade that off won’t work. You take away a core aspect of a person, and you’re left with an empty shell. The fact that she’s openly sharing her discomfort with the label’s choice of singles is relatively rare for Idol fans (except in Kelly’s case). As a big-time Cook fan, we never know how Dave is really feeling about the label’s choices since he is ultra diplomatic. Crystal just isn’t. It’s how she rolls.

  267. She gets massive bonus points for standing up for what she wants to the people who count, she gets no points from me for making these battles public.

    I think that’s right about where I am. I totally admire her willingness to fight for what she believes in, but I don’t think venting via Twitter is the way to successfully (or professionally) fight that battle.

  268. tierbee
    I agree with what you said..I too have work in all male environments and its not that she is female it was how she chose to go about vocalizing her dissatisfaction. I really like how she did it during the VH1 taping I thought it was smart, funny and a tad snarky. But then telling to fans to harass the label..IMHO not real smart *shrug*

  269. This is just BS. If you don’t like the fist sigle pick then go indie girl, let’s see how good you do it there. You’ve been trying to make it in the industry for over a decade, now you have the opportunity to get known and you’re bitching about it?? come on!

    She certainly knew from the beginning how this was supposed to be, so why is she complaining? She is putting a lot of her stuff in this first album, more than what many artists get to do in the record labels nowadays.

    She should be grateful, she has the opportunity to play her songs in an international record company and in a tour in front of thousands of people, she’s going to get more freedom in her second album, but let a second album happen, don’t make them wanna drop you by the end of this album, be smart!

    Gawd this really make me angry, I get her frustration, letting some random song be the first impression of her, but she needs to be patient, doesn’t matter if she’s been in the industry for more than a decade, for the mass audience she’s totally new.

  270. Crystal was my early fave,during Hollywood Week,but I tell you I love her old school genre,cuz I like Carol King,Joni Mitchell-that genre…But I am soooo depressed when I see what the biggest radio records are nowadays-so many with electronic vocals.And Crystal will be hurt badly by going against her label.She would have been a bit better off under Universal Music Group,as they are more artistically lenient than Sony,acc. to a friend of mine in the industry…

  271. IMO, the whole “she’s arrogant and acts entitled” concept has come from those who for some reason or another, are intimidated by a woman who has strong opinions of her own.

    For me, like others have said, it’s not that she’s fighting. It’s how she does it.

  272. I think that’s right about where I am. I totally admire her willingness to fight for what she believes in, but I don’t think venting via Twitter is the way to successfully (or professionally) fight that battle.

    I guess I’ll concede the point about actually discussing it on Twitter – yeah, it’s not really professional. I personally just don’t like the whole concept of something like Twitter really – for members of the general public tweeting about things, I just don’t see why other members of the public would really care what sandwich you just ate or how bad traffic was this evening…why wouldn’t you just call your friends to talk about it, text them (you CAN CC text messages, it’s pretty easy), or just go out and have a drink and talk – you know, the old-fashioned way. For the “famous people” that are on Twitter…well, I’ve just never really been the sort to be star-struck. I don’t really care who’s sleeping with who, or who got arrested for what (although it does get on my nerves that different rules apply to them but that’s another story). There’s already whole television shows and even networks devoted to following what famous people are doing, why do people need to follow them on Twitter to get several daily updates about what they’re doing? I’m as big a fan of Crystal as I could imagine anyone is, but I really haven’t had any desire to follow her on Twitter just to see little blurbs about what she’s doing every day.

    I guess in the end, to me, if Crystal is going to tweet about her frustrations, I don’t look at it as “public,” which makes no sense even when *I* think about it because tweets are most definitely public. I see it more as a mass text message to her friends. Of course, it’s far more than that and yeah I know it doesn’t “look good” to say things that she says sometimes, especially since we don’t get the context or in some cases the sarcasm. As I recall several others of the Idols have said things totally sarcastically on Twitter and caused an uproar. Crystal just seems to have an affinity for it. *shrugs* And I still think also that her attitude and personality will strike some people funny just because of who – and what – she is.

  273. That is one boring demo. Why is Hold On even on Crystal’s cd? Yuck. I don’t mind Crystal’s grouchy attitude on this issue, but she better learn to love it and sell it in her performances. I don’t know how she’ll pull that off cuz this song sounds like something off a dreaded Idol theme night.

  274. If I’m being honest Crystal seemed like she didn’t want this to happen,and she KNEW it would.You could see it in her face the night the top 12 was announced.Her expression was unforgettable.Some people I talk to a lot about the alums think she should have walked off that night-then at least she would have had creative control,and released independently whatever she wanted…

  275. The fact that she’s openly sharing her discomfort with the label’s choice of singles is relatively rare for Idol fans (except in Kelly’s case).

    This is because they are strongly warned that the label won’t have it, that it will backfire, and so far it has.
    If Crystal keeps Jive on her side after her public rants, she will have set a precedent. It will be interesting to watch how it unfolds.

  276. All this discussion aside, I can’t imagine Crystal’s tweets will change the game plan for her. They’ll promote her how they planned to promote her, if she takes off, great, no harm no foul. If she doesn’t, it doesn’t matter how much the label loves her (see: the insanely talented firecracker Allison Iraheta). At least, that’s my impression of how things work. If people with more industry know-how have another take, I’d be happy to hear it.

  277. If Crystal wants this single to be commercially successful she can’t afford to tick off the label. We’ve all seen what happens when Jive refuses to promote their artists — and it ain’t pretty.

  278. I’m betting that by tomorrow or the next day she will come to her senses and will take it all back and pretend it didn’t happen just like she did the last time she decided to air the dirty laundry on twitter.

  279. Whoohoo this girl has got some balls. Absolutely lovin’ her. I salute you for speaking your mind, be it in a humorous way to the exec @ VH1 or asking your fans to be behind you in the most ‘diplomatic’ way. Funny that your fans have even matured now and they are even asking permission before they rant. And then you tell them to show their support in a civil manner. Nicely done :=) Some of the mature ones tweets cracks me up on a daily basis lol.

    I dont think I would have lent this much support to you if you came from this alternate universe where you were the pop princess, followed the show and had the Jive Artist guidebook. Congratulations on your achievements so far and I look forward to that album that truly represents you (atleast 90% of the song writes in her most recent tweet).

    someone asks: @crystalbowersox will you be writing a lot of the songs on your album?
    @crystalbowersox: yes ma’am. About 90% of the entire album.

  280. movin2thabeet:
    As a big-time Cook fan, we never know how Dave is really feeling about the label’s choices since he is ultra diplomatic.

    FWIW, I do think he liked LO, he’s always said how happy he was that Chris Cornell wanted him to do it and thought it was a good song. I agree that he would never say anything in public if he didn’t. And probably because he is so diplomatic, he was able to negotiate releasing BBS. Whatever choices were made, the album and singles that were released did really well, except for BBS.

    The thing with Crystals song, is it doesn’t sound like it fits with the rest of her album. Of course we won’t know that until we hear the final versions.

  281. It seems like a lot of people in the industry like Crystal–I doubt the suits at Jive are concerned about taking some ribbing from her now and then, particularly if the product she puts out is good.

    The suits may not care much if the ribbing is privately.. but I high doubted they enjoy jokes/ribbing at their expense in front of peers, etc within their own industry. Few people would make a joke at a boss/co-worker in front of a client, simply because it is unprofessional.

    I completely understand her frustrations.. but I’m just not excited with the way she is publicly expressing this.

  282. Not everyone is in the business entirely for the money.

    That’s absolutely true. But if you’re not in it for the money, then you shouldn’t go on American Idol. Idol has never pretended to be about art. It’s always been about finding a big *pop*-type star who can bring in money for a major record label.

    If you’re a writer, and you’re in it for the money, you emulate Dan Brown. If you’re in it for the art, you emulate John Ashberry. Both pathways are fine respectable things for different people with different goals and talents. Same thing with Idol. If you’re not in it for the money, then take a different route.

    And when it comes to bitching at your label — I think that’s perfectly fine and appropriate to do … behind the scenes. And not when your first single is about to come out and your bitching seems likely to encourage fans to bitch too or protest in some way. If they don’t even feel certain that pre-existing fans will buy the song, they aren’t going to be that thrilled with you.

    Yeah, the song’s not the greatest. But Joan Baez, who has plenty of musical integrity, can make Kumbaya or Guantanamera sound like a masterpiece and has performed such a trick many many times. Great songs are great, but Crystal’s more than capable of making a just-okay song sound really good, in my opinion. I suspect she makes *this* one sound really good. Some of the profundity everybody wants can come from your voice and presentation and the arrangement….actually a *lot* of it can come from your voice and presentation and the arrangement, I think. Just do that and fight your battles in private would be the best advice anyone could give her, seems to me.

  283. Not everyone is in the business entirely for the money.

    That’s absolutely true. But if you’re not in it for the money, then you shouldn’t go on American Idol. Idol has never pretended to be about art. It’s always been about finding a big *pop*-type star who can bring in money for a major record label.

    If you’re a writer, and you’re in it for the money, you emulate Dan Brown. If you’re in it for the art, you emulate John Ashberry. Both pathways are fine respectable things for different people with different goals and talents. Same thing with Idol. If you’re not in it for the money, then take a different route.

    I agree. And I suspect that’s the reason why Sony let their contract with AI expire and had little or no interest to renew it. AI contestants from recent years just don’t sell as much as Sony labels would want them to sell. And it’s really hard to get radio play for them. The idea of the show is to find popstars and I think they didn’t get as many popstars as they hoped for over the years.

  284. Great songs are great, but Crystal’s more than capable of making a just-okay song sound really good, in my opinion. I suspect she makes *this* one sound really good.

    It will be interesting to compare this demo to the final product. And it wouldn´t surprise me to hear “WTH, no co-write credit?” when people will compare.

  285. Erico, I will more likely be “WTF, crystal co-write?”. No one can convince me in a million years that this is actually something Crystal wrote/co-wrote. No substance, lyrically ‘bleh’, a tune repeated a 1000 times on the charts…i’d rather her sing this crap to please the suits than have anything to do with this nonsense. If this is the compromise that she had to forgo to get 90% writing on the album I am more than happy with that. I wont be surprised that this tune is over-produced to fit the radio “format” (why else would they chose this song for her) and we don’t get that clean, “send chills down my spine” kinda Crystal tune that we absolutely fell in love for…

    Well best of luck Crystal as Michael Franti would say!

  286. Whoohoo this girl has got some balls. Absolutely lovin’ her. I salute you for speaking your mind, be it in a humorous way to the exec @ VH1 or asking your fans to be behind you in the most ‘diplomatic’ way. Funny that your fans have even matured now and they are even asking permission before they rant. And then you tell them to show their support in a civil manner. Nicely done :=) Some of the mature ones tweets cracks me up on a daily basis lol.

    I dont think I would have lent this much support to you if you came from this alternate universe where you were the pop princess, followed the show and had the Jive Artist guidebook. Congratulations on your achievements so far and I look forward to that album that truly represents you (atleast 90% of the song writes in her most recent tweet).

    I suppose that Crystal is a pioneer, and has opened the door to other idols getting to have their way by going public.

    We can expect Kris Allen, David Cook and others to follow suit as they will have understood that it is the way to go in order to obtain the most coveted creative freedom.

  287. Well i’m done with the whole ” first single drama”. It is what it is, and i’m sure Crystal’s version will be much better. BTW crystal said in her TP that her music will have rock,pop,and country, but that she would classify it more as country. I’m really excited to hear her music. With MTV/VH1 backing her and more critics raving about her, Crystal’s name will get out there, and she could possibly make it really big.

  288. fictitiousreality, We´ll see, I have a hunch that after Crystal puts her own stamp on it, it will be just fine. In regards to the production, I´m not worried there either. I think Bendeth will do what he can to keep continuity of the album as a whole, intact. But maybe they´ll have a special radio edition with some “radio-friendly-over-production”, but hope not. I´d be more worried if there were many producers and it would be in the hands of someone known for over-producing commercial pop

  289. “IMO, the whole “she’s arrogant and acts entitled” concept has come from those who for some reason or another, are intimidated by a woman who has strong opinions of her own.”

    For me, like others have said, it’s not that she’s fighting. It’s how she does it.

    Exactly. If they are asking her to dress in latex body suits and dance to bubblegum pop, she should say something . . . to them. If they want her to dress in fancy dresses with porcelain doll makeup and golden curls, she should say something . . . to them. Pulling the arguments out to the public isn’t going to endear her to anyone in the hierarchy, nor impress anyone in the business. It’s unprofessional, especially for some unknown that hasn’t accomplished anything.

    In the end, there is a fine line between standing up for one self and shooting yourself in the foot being unreasonably obstinate.

  290. Eriko: Its not David Bendeth’s production capabilities that I am questioning here. He’s great and he is very fond of Crystal’s talent as we speak as we both know :=). I just dont see why they would put this song on her album except to put it out for the “radio-friendliness”. There’s absolutely no other reason at all IMO. Speaking of continuity in the album can you imagine if they put RWtR next it on the track listing? That’d be kinda funny and ironic don’t ya think? :=) I will defn be on the lookout for any hidden messages in that song, mebbe play it backwards ;=) I AINT WRITIN’ FOR THE RADIO (BUT DAMN IT DEY R MAKING ME DO IT) lol…

  291. Eriko:
    11/05/2010 at 9:28 am

    fictitiousreality, We´ll see, I have a hunch that after Crystal puts her own stamp on it, it will be just fine. In regards to the production, I´m not worried there either. I think Bendeth will do what he can to keep continuity of the album as a whole, intact. But maybe they´ll have a special radio edition with some “radio-friendly-over-production”, but hope not. I´d be more worried if there were many producers and it would be in the hands of someone known for over-producing commercial pop

    I’d agree with just about all of this. Only one song wasn’t hers. It would be a bit odd to have this one single be so different from the rest. They’d either have to make all the others warped beyond recognition, or adapt this one to fit the rest. I’d say that its easier to adapt one than eleven.

    Unfortunately, they’ll have to make sure that the single has some kind of chance on radio, so some concessions must be made. The 90’s are over, the sound of radio isn’t in the same place. Expecting to release something that doesn’t fit with today’s market doesn’t make sense. Crystal needs something that the pds will play so that she can get her name out there.

  292. If you’re not in it for the money, then take a different route.

    Easy for a viewer to note. In reality, the music biz is tougher than ever to get into, and kids are trying any avenue available. Crystal is no different. She just wants a way to be able to do music for a living. It wasn’t really happening for her and so she had nothing to lose by trying the AI route. The whole time she’s done it her way, for better or worse. By not following the unspoken rules of the road, she’s treading new ground. I’m sure she’s aware of the risks, but feels there’s no other way to be herself. It’s a process – and she’s living it. I applaud her for it. Girl – stay true to your heart and don’t let anybody tell you how to walk your talk.

  293. Speaking of continuity in the album can you imagine if they put RWtR next it on the track listing?

    Yes, I can imagine it. Case in Idol point: one David Cook. Time of My Life is on the album and it is lightyears from the tone of the rest of the album. Some in the fanbase believe David tried to keep it off as unrepresentative of his style. Granted, it was his big coronation hit, but it could have tread new ground to just keep that as a standalone single and move on with the real David Cook. But no. Maybe TPTB are committed to every Idol having a crappy, sappy song on their album, no matter what.

  294. If you’re not in it for the money, then take a different route.

    Easy for a viewer to note.

    Yeah, I know it’s easy for me to say!

    At the same time, I number a ton of musicians among my friends and family, including pop and rock and folk and classical and people who’ve been on major labels and independent labels and no labels and people who’ve been on all of the above and back again. I even toyed with the idea of being a professional musician myself at one time, so I’ve been close to this world for a long long time and have seen many many approaches….

    And if you *really* *really* are going to object to the idea of having a record label interfere with the way you want to do things, and if you really really object to being “in it for the money,” then you don’t get on a major-network tv show that carries with it a major-label basically pop recording contract, even today, in my opinion.

    Yeah, the other ways are hard and getting harder. But once you decide to take a certain route, then that’s the choice you’ve made. That’s all I’m saying. And when you hook up with a major-network tv show, that’s *all* about ratings, and you shouldn’t act surprised when the record label signing people from that show thinks it’s *all* — not partly! — about money.

    I’m all for Crystal fighting like heck behind the scenes for what she wants. But … if it involves fighting in *front* of the scenes for what she wants and perhaps tacitly encouraging her fans to object to her label’s actions, and such. Well, that’s her decision — but I think it’s a dicey and probably unwise one to make, in this particular setup, since there is probably no setup in the whole music industry that is more obviously skewed directly toward “it’s all about the money” than this particular one.

  295. movin2thabeet:
    In reality, the music biz is tougher than ever to get into, and kids are trying any avenue available. Crystal is no different.

    Agree with the touger music biz part but I think Crystal is different than other idols IMO. Her music is more honest and sincere and there is a conscious element involved in her lyrics which is not for kids. Melissa Ethiridge says thats the exact reason why she feels protective of Crystal and needed to mentor her cos the industry in general is unforgiving to new artists and it chews and spits people out like that. I believe ME thinks (and mentioned a couple of times) that the industry needs an artist like her now more than ever, perhaps to carry the torch of the great sincere singer/songwriters, who knows. I think she would be a great candidate for that, how she would fare…well we just have to wait n see.

    US: So why Crystal, and how did that come to be?

    ME: …They were [her kids] big fans of hers, so I got interested in Crystal, who was a lot like me. When I did Dancing With The Stars, I popped up and visited all the Idol finalists and I met her. I sort of kept in touch with her and we became friends. I just felt like I need to mentor her. This entertainment world can just chew people up and spit them out, and it’s a very disposable five-minute business. I felt that she was a sincere singer/songwriter that had a dream and wanted to present her work to the world.

  296. Crystal’s whole life has been ‘dicey’. Her perspective is obviously much different than yours. Just because its a risky, untread path does not mean its unwise, from her view. And, after all, its her life to live. She gets to make choices that work for her. It might not make sense to others looking on, but then again, they have never walked in her shoes.

  297. I don’t think Crystal has to worry about the label being upset with her, They didn’t have to sign her. They wanted her , and they signed her as fast as they signed the winner. They know they have someone special, and they know what type of person she was on the show. She faught all year for an original on the show and finally won at the end. Crystal is just being Crystal, and no matter what anyone say’s that will never change. I’m sure the label knows that. It’s all good.

  298. Crystal’s whole life has been ‘dicey’. Her perspective is obviously much different than yours. Just because its a risky, untread path does not mean its unwise, from her view. And, after all, its her life to live. She gets to make choices that work for her. It might not make sense to others looking on, but then again, they have never walked in her shoes.

    Well, that’s not the explanation for our different views!

    I think it’s age. My whole life has also been dicey. Pretty much as dicey as Crystal’s, in fact, and for many of the exact same reasons. And when I was her age, if I’d been lucky enough to get the chance that she has, I probably would have handled it in a very similar way! I think the main reason I’m passionate about this is that I really really identify with Crystal — and that’s always a recipe for over-involvement and, perhaps, faulty judgment, as you suggest!

    At her age, I was constantly fighting battles and almost never choosing them with any care. I figured I’d fight them all. I was Don Quixote in a dress. However, many decades on from that, as I look back, I now think that I would have done a lot better had I decided which were the battles that made sense and which were the ones that were likely to muck things up because they were unwinnable and didn’t actually compromise very much anyway! I burned a bunch of bridges that I didn’t have to burn, and I expect she’s likely to do the same. I now wish that somebody had helped me learn to be a little more diplomatic and a little more wise to the subtleties of the game earlier in that game!

    That said, though, of course it’s all her decision. I happen to think the out-front snarks about the label and encouragement to the fans to contact the label make no sense in the corporate world she’s in. And I also happen to think that, given what she wants, she might have been better served to keep looking for an indie label and also have gone heavily into songwriting as her main routes into the industry.

    Nevertheless, if Crystal comes out of this the winner, I’ll be pleased, because I like her music and I like her, too, even if it sounds as if I don’t!

  299. I think Crystal is different than other idols IMO. Her music is more honest and sincere and there is a conscious element involved in her lyrics which is not for kids

    well IMO Crystal is not the only idol who writes ” honest and sincere” music. I think Kelly Clarkson has written some deep songs like ” sober”. I think David Cook wrote a very emotional song in ” Permanent”. I love Crystal, but I won’t put her on a pedestal and or say that she’s above all the other idols. I mean this happens every single season ” my idol is better than any other idol” drama.

  300. Guess Kara got that Idol coronation song in there after all. I absolutely agree with VFTW: this song totally blows. It sounds nothing like anything Crystal would ever sing in a million years. They could have chosen Farmers Daughter, Sandman, Holy Toledo, Hellbent, Just Want To Love You Before I Leave, Grey Haired Rock Stars, Saved By Grace, and literally dozens of others to release as a single and they choose this piece of crap song. That tells me a lot about how much trust they have for Crystal: None! No wonder she’s pissed.

  301. well IMO Crystal is not the only idol who writes ” honest and sincere” music. I think Kelly Clarkson has written some deep songs like ” sober”. I think David Cook wrote a very emotional song in ” Permanent”. I love Crystal, but I won’t put her on a pedestal and or say that she’s above all the other idols. I mean this happens every single season ” my idol is better than any other idol” drama.

    There is no comparison. I am only talking about song writing which is just one aspect- theres also singing, stage presence etc etc. fyi tbc theres no assumption of mine is better than yours here. All the songs that you mentioned are after their idol albums and all of them are co-writes. I am talking pre-idol period, their original material which they wrote themselves before they came on that show. In co-write we cannot really quantify how much was their contribution, could be just changing one word or doing the whole song except for that one word. And again just 2 be clear this is no diss on co-write, if its a good song it doesnt matter if its a co-write or original IMO. I wont reply to any co-write vs original argument if it starts again.

  302. Well, lucy, I think Crystal’s well covered on the mentor front with Melissa E as well as perhaps Michael Franti. That doesn’t mean she won’t make mistakes, as we all must, but at least she has some folks who have been in the biz to give her some pointers.

  303. Well, lucy, I think Crystal’s well covered on the mentor front with Melissa E as well as perhaps Michael Franti. That doesn’t mean she won’t make mistakes, as we all must, but at least she has some folks who have been in the biz to give her some pointers.

    This is a good point. I think we’ll probably see Crystal Jump to ME’s label in a couple years or maybe to Righteous Babe or maybe she’ll try to form her own. It’s the only way she’ll be be in complete control of her material.

  304. Well, lucy, I think Crystal’s well covered on the mentor front with Melissa E as well as perhaps Michael Franti. That doesn’t mean she won’t make mistakes, as we all must, but at least she has some folks who have been in the biz to give her some pointers.

    Quite true.

    The trouble with the Twitter era, of course, is that you can say lots of things that turn up later in the day on the press wires before your mentors — or your own brain — have a chance to suggest that they may not be the best thing! I’m extremely glad that they didn’t invent Twitter until I was way too old to think it was a good idea!

  305. Well, lucy, I think Crystal’s well covered on the mentor front with Melissa E as well as perhaps Michael Franti.

    Etheridge doesn’t tweet, AFAIK (she has a street team). Franti does, but he doesn’t appear to have the tweet/response relationship with his followers that she does (and doesn’t even make all the updates personally), so he may not even be aware of how she is conducting herself in @replies.

    The first rule of mentoring is to find people who have experience in dealing with areas where the mentee personally needs improvement. And given the number of negative reactions to her approach even from people who enjoy her music, I’d say “finessing one’s presentation in the social media world” is one of those areas. Acknowledging VFTW, no matter what the reason, is feeding a beast that should be starved, and if she thinks that approach might help her, then she seriously needs better guidance than she’s been getting.

  306. I just don’t get the argument that Crystal is the next great coming of American songwriters. She has been singing her original music for a long time and NO ONE had come forward to offer her any kind of deal for either her songs or her voice. Now, after her stint on AI, peeps are saying her original music is far better than any music she could sing from professional (and proven) songwriters. This just doesn’t compute with me.

    Songwriting is an art..and it often takes years for a song-writer to hit their stride and to figure out “how to sell” their music. Just because a newbie thinks the world of their writes how does this compute into the real world where “formula” type songs are what is listened to and purchased.

    And as for Crystal “arguing” with her label. I remember distinctly how much it hurt Kelly when her arguments with Clive Davis became public fodder. In fact she had to minimize a tour because ticket sales dried up. I think peeps and Artists need to remember that fans are a lot more supportive and forgiving than regular music purchasers. And even if we think that Crystal’s comments are insular to a small twitter world it is amazing how “news” of her feelings get out into the real world.

  307. I just don’t get the argument that Crystal is the next great coming of American songwriters. She has been singing her original music for a long time and NO ONE had come forward to offer her any kind of deal for either her songs or her voice. Now, after her stint on AI, peeps are saying her original music is far better than any music she could sing from professional (and proven) songwriters. This just doesn’t compute with me.

    Have you heard any of her original music? If not, go listen to it and then tell us that “Hold On” is better than her originals. Farmers Daughter is where you should start, imo. Maybe you like listening to “formula” music but I don’t, which is why I like Crystal so much.

  308. Acknowledging VFTW, no matter what the reason, is feeding a beast that should be starved, and if she thinks that approach might help her, then she seriously needs better guidance than she’s been getting.

    Lol that made me chuckle. Seriously VFTW is that much of BEAST to have any sort of impact? lol

    From most posts here I think a lot of the people agree to what they tweeted really. They simply said they loved mamasox originals more than that crappy song and she thanked them. I dont think anybody takes VFTW seriously, they do have a whimsical sense of humour which I like and possibly Crystal gets them too. I dont see any difference from what they are doing (diss on the singing, their appearences etc) to any other idol bloggers are doing (well diss on singing and appearence too :=) reminds me of a weight issue and a tank top recently lol) except these guys dont take it seriously and have like zero impact on idol.

  309. Seriously VFTW is that much of BEAST to have any sort of impact?

    I don’t think they are nearly as influentual as they think they are, but I do sometimes like my rhetorical flourishes.

    And I do mean it: I don’t like the forum’s structure or the conduct of its members (if they were ever actually funny in their criticisms, I might change my mind), and I don’t think AI artists should acknowledge them. It gives them that sense of importance that they don’t deserve.

  310. Lol that made me chuckle. Seriously VFTW is that much of BEAST to have any sort of impact? lol

    You’re probably right, but I don’t think it’s a sure thing.

    When the single comes out (if it’s this one that does), I can easily imagine VFTW pushing the meme that “AI runner-up Bowersox’s first single sucks — She says so herself!” and getting that meme to proliferate in various places in the blogosphere and celeb media, who eagerly pick up any old stupid thing out there and run with it. (All they’d need to do these days to accomplish this is to retweet this exchange to Crystal the day her single comes out, and then she’d probably be forced to deny that she meant what it sounded as if she did…. etc. … Very easy to get a Twitter he-said-she-said going and they always make the news these days!)

    As you say, VFTW doesn’t take Idol seriously, and I’d say they don’t take any of the *Idols* seriously either, including Crystal and any of the other more counter-Idol-culture Idols. They just have fun stirring things up. So I’m sure they’d have no qualms trying to stir things up later by quoting her endorsement of their statement that the single is crap … And even if it doesn’t have *much* effect, still probably not the best thing for sales!

  311. All the songs that you mentioned are after their idol albums and all of them are co-writes. I am talking pre-idol period, their original material which they wrote themselves before they came on that show.

    So Crystal has a vast catalogue of her own self-written songs where she expresses her inner thoughts, fears, & emotions in an honest and sincere way. And some of you feel that she is the first idol to do so? Do I have that right?

    I could list over 22 songs of a prior American Idol winner which were written pre-idol, as well as link youtube videos to most of them, but I’ll refrain. I’d like to avoid the “eye-rolling”, haha. ;)

    I understand the passion that people have for Crystal and her songwriting, but to downplay the abilities and accomplishments of other Idols that have come before her is being a bit myopic, in my opinion. Let’s just say that she is not unique in regards to songwriting.

    On another subject, do people still read VFTW? Really?

  312. Lol I can think of plenty of tweets and interviews that they can go for if they “could stirr this up” and it centainly isnt an acknowledgement to a tweet which says ‘Crystal your originals are much better than a generic pop song’. If asked she can just tell the interviewer ‘well my originals are on my CD, you just have to see for yourself when it comes on 12/14’. Wow, more buzz and anticipation for her cd and more importantly her originals lol.

    Even if it comes to it I think Crystal has done quite well on difficult questions while on idol and post-idol and she handles them pretty well IMO. Not everyone can answer easily to questions like ‘So you think you have got the title in the bag now right?’ in the 2nd/3rd week or ‘I am surprised why you even auditioned for idol, you dont look like someone who does that?’, ‘So why did you want to quit and did Ryan beg you to stay?’. I can go on and on about it. I aint really worried about her interview skills really, its nice and warm to see someone actually give honest answers to questions rather than being someone whos running for a senator :=)

  313. And as for Crystal “arguing” with her label. I remember distinctly how much it hurt Kelly when her arguments with Clive Davis became public fodder. In fact she had to minimize a tour because ticket sales dried up. I think peeps and Artists need to remember that fans are a lot more supportive and forgiving than regular music purchasers. And even if we think that Crystal’s comments are insular to a small twitter world it is amazing how “news” of her feelings get out into the real world.

    As I think of this with the Kelly comparison.. if Crystal is that big, then her twitter comments would be hitting the entertainment news. So far they haven’t, but if this keeps up, especially around album drop, they will. Before someone tells me that Crystal doesn’t need entertainment news, she may not, but her casual fans from AI (a.k.a. the album buyers) do indeed watch.

  314. As you say, VFTW doesn’t take Idol seriously, and I’d say they don’t take any of the *Idols* seriously either, including Crystal and any of the other more counter-Idol-culture Idols. They just have fun stirring things up. So I’m sure they’d have no qualms trying to stir things up later by quoting her endorsement of their statement that the single is crap … And even if it doesn’t have *much* effect, still probably not the best thing for sales!

    Well said.

  315. I think Sony is seriously going to clean house especially by the end of this year and early next year. I predict theyre gonna get rid of Archie, if the second album doesnt go well for Kris, theyre gonna get rid of him, if Jordin stops selling singles they’ll get rid of her (maybe not tho since she’s one of the more worldwide known idols), and if the albums and singles dont go well for Lee or Crystal they’ll get rid of them both. It sucks but thats what i honestly think is going to happen. i feel like part of Jive wants their idols to do well but part of them wont care if they fail cuz that will give them an excuse to purge them of their label. It honestly feels like Idols is on its last breath.

  316. Have you heard any of her original music?

    Of course I have…I wouldn’t be passing judgment on stuff I have never heard. I LOL at this response everytime it is used…it’s like people feel if you have alternative views on someone that you haven’t taken the time to check out there stuff. That is what is fun “here” ’cause we get plenty of videos and sound recordings of all the idols to help us make decisions about whether we like them or not.

    My whole contention is that until an “unproven” songwriter is “proven” and his/her material is awarded countless certificates and awards they are still unproven newbies trying to get their stuff heard. Just saying, because someone wants to sing their own stuff, that the “stuff” is so much better than anything else is pretty narrow minded. And the comments about the stuff that is played on the radio right now being so “bad”…it might not be someone’s cup of tea but it is what is selling and what listeners apparently want.

    So good luck to Crystal and her “originals”. It will be interesting to see, in a year, if everyone is whistling them on their way to work.

  317. Well beyond the inevitable bumps in the road as a new artist learns the best way to negotiate the minefield of the fans and the bottom line mind $et of the music business, and way past that slightly precious site, VFTW – so intent on enforcing conformity to their counter-culture meme that a visit there is always amusing – not for the mean-spirited content, but the irony, I have to say my curiosity is other-directed.

    Releasing that demo that Kara was gasping for breath all over was likely a double edged sword – there are listeners who can’t conceive of it sounding any other way now- no matter what Cantiello says, and verdicts are rendered before the finished product is available. That’s unfortunate, IMO.

    I don’t count myself a Crystal fan, merely an appreciator of talent…and I think she has the talent to ‘make it work’…love to hear what that will sound like.

    Because of this thread, I just finished re-listening to Emily Shackleton’s 4 minute demo of “Dream Big”, country style, from 2008 – and juxtaposed that with David Cook’s almost 2 minute rock version from the Final 2, of the same song – only – not really.

    There’s an extreme object lesson in waiting to see what a talented re-arranger and artist can do.

    I think the PR flubs are minor, and can hopefully be overcome, if they don’t become a pattern – but the music in the marketplace will be the real barometer of the folks who like Crystal, and will purchase this album, so there can be another, with appropriate Label support. That is the point, I think. Both Label and artist are looking for some longevity, and ROI.

    It’s been my decided opinion that when one Idol contestant does well after the show – it reflects on the others – whether it ought to be that way or not – it seems to be the fact…another reason I wish her well, and every level of success she wants.

    JMO.

  318. Hallelujah23, great post! And after reading all of the comments I get the feeling most people feel the same way. Especially the point about Mrs. Robinson’s, “Got that Idol coronation song in there after all.” More like Mrs. Robinson is trying to cash in on Crystal’s potential success! As for as Crystal going public with the infighting, sometimes that’s the only option you have left. To take the fight out into the street. Calculated Risk! But that’s a risk sometimes a person has to make. As for as “Hold On” radio friendly. It’s so Freakin lame that I feel that this matter, “Isn’t for real?

    “Broken Hallelujah!”

  319. This will be interesting to see. Imo she shooting herself in the foot but this could go wither way. If she succeeds then she will have gained tremendous respect and her career can take off, however if her label doesn’t really support her then then she’s gone.

    It’s way too early to crown her some queen of songwriting, musician. She needs to succeed first and to have longevity.

  320. “Hold On” Why is it that when I listen to this song, I’m hearing a lady singing in her underware?

    Just an optimistic thought! “Black Velvet,” This was the “Producer’s Choice” and a ridiculously poor one at that. What did Crytal do with it? She nailed it to the rafters. Only version of that song I ever liked. “Hold On” a minute, with Crystal’s talent, this one might have a chance?

  321. “Hold On” Why is it that when I listen to this song, I’m hearing a lady singing in her underware?

    LOL…hopefully the lady looks good in them

  322. Hold On == Breakaway
    Kelly + Breakaway == success
    Crystal != Kelly
    Crystal + Hold On <> Kelly + Breakaway (*sigh)

  323. I didn´t realize how much Hold On sounds like Breakaway. Hopefully Crystal will spread the likeness

  324. My whole contention is that until an “unproven” songwriter is “proven” and his/her material is awarded countless certificates and awards they are still unproven newbies trying to get their stuff heard. Just saying, because someone wants to sing their own stuff, that the “stuff” is so much better than anything else is pretty narrow minded. And the comments about the stuff that is played on the radio right now being so “bad”…it might not be someone’s cup of tea but it is what is selling and what listeners apparently want.

    So good luck to Crystal and her “originals”. It will be interesting to see, in a year, if everyone is whistling them on their way to work.

    My own namesake/handle on this forum is a great example of the point I want to make here. Mozart was really not considered to be a great composer during his time – many of his contemporaries were more appreciated. Yet today he’s considered one of the greats of classical music. So in other words, a songwriter isn’t any good until they receive wide acclaim in the public? It’s not good music unless millions of people buy it? If that’s the case I guess the “best” musician/songwriter today is Taylor Swift. She’s not bad as a writer but is she the best songwriter today? It’s all too subjective to say – for a 16 year old girl, Taylor Swift might be the best thing ever. Personally I’ll take about 50 other artists over her – and it’s not just that I don’t like country/pop because I do like Carrie and Danny, as well as other non-Idol related country artists.

    The fact is that most of the music that is on the radio today, as we all know, is pushed to radio by the labels. It’s not because it’s necessarily “good,” it’s rather just because of the image of the artist and because the song apparently fits a formula. Truthfully (and I’m not saying this could even possibly happen), I’ll bet if you broke up the major labels, got rid of companies like Clear Channel, etc., and had all smaller labels that couldn’t promote artists nationwide to radio and radio stations that made decisions individually instead of as huge blocks, “pop” music would sound totally different. The music industry today is what it is because it’s been made generic so as to “fit” pretty much everywhere. Some of the big names today might still be big names…some of them might never have been heard from.

    Just an optimistic thought! “Black Velvet,” This was the “Producer’s Choice” and a ridiculously poor one at that. What did Crytal do with it? She nailed it to the rafters. Only version of that song I ever liked. “Hold On” a minute, with Crystal’s talent, this one might have a chance?

    I didn’t “hate” Black Velvet when I’d heard it before, but on the finale that song gave me like a minute’s worth of full body shivers. It was certainly something else. I also was quite impressed by what she did with I’m Alright – and that was a song she chose herself. So yeah, honestly, I think whether she “can” make it sound good isn’t really the issue – it’s whether she likes the choice, and it sounds like she doesn’t.

    To establish a frame of reference here though too – how many people actually follow Crystal on Twitter, plus how many would be reading on here or one of the few other AI related websites where this is being discussed? I can understand people thinking Crystal is shooting herself in the foot by airing this publicly, but I also think the fact is that nearly all of the people actually seeing/hearing it already have their minds made up if they’ll be listening to and buying her music. Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea for her to do it, but truthfully, I don’t know that it’s going to hurt her.

  325. Great post Mozart I also agree that these tweets have very little if any impact one way or the other

  326. crystalbowersox Crystal Bowersox
    MAN I can’t wait for u all to hear my album. So proud of it… thanks for all of your love and fandom
    Crystal just tweeted this, Should put to rest how she feels about her album!!!

  327. @Mozart popularity is only part of the equation but really it’s about producing material that impacts/connects with many people that stands the test of time. At this point Crystal has not done so. Her first major debut is a start but until she produces multiple albums that touch people outside of her core audience just like Motzart and yes Taylor Swift(Can’t believe I put them in the same sentence) she’s not on that level.

    As far a damage control, you may be right but if this a precursor to whats to come then there will be more incidents when her single does come out and that will get in the news. Or it’s a brillant marketing plan to generate buzz.

  328. popularity is only part of the equation but really it’s about producing material that impacts/connects with many people that stands the test of time. At this point Crystal has not done so. Her first major debut is a start but until she produces multiple albums that touch people outside of her core audience just like Motzart and yes Taylor Swift(Can’t believe I put them in the same sentence) she’s not on that level.

    That was my point though, exactly. Whether it’s good or not doesn’t really mean it’ll connect with people – popularity really comes from connecting with people, and not from quality (of course that’s not to say that quality can’t lead to popularity too, but it’s far from a necessity).

    As far a damage control, you may be right but if this a precursor to whats to come then there will be more incidents when her single does come out and that will get in the news. Or it’s a brillant marketing plan to generate buzz.

    I’ve really wondered if it’s a marketing plan. If so, it’s a dangerous one, because while the negativity is concentrated at this point, if this sort of stuff leaks out in the mainstream, yeah it could turn off people. But I have considered that Crystal may or may not be part of a plan by Jive to basically piss her off, and she’ll seem like a rebel. Even to the point that they may have told her that Hold On would be the first single and yet they don’t intend for it to be…they just want to get people riled up. I doubt that though.

    crystalbowersox Crystal Bowersox
    MAN I can’t wait for u all to hear my album. So proud of it… thanks for all of your love and fandom
    Crystal just tweeted this, Should put to rest how she feels about her album!!!

    This could be honest and heartfelt…or this could actually be her PR people telling her to go on damage control at this point by talking up the quality of the album. I could see either – but I really do hope she’s proud of it!

  329. This could be honest and heartfelt…or this could actually be her PR people telling her to go on damage control at this point by talking up the quality of the album. I could see either – but I really do hope she’s proud of it!

    IMO, there is no damage control needed as there hasn´t been any damage done. But even if she was encouraged by her PR, I´m pretty sure she is very proud of it since 90% of the songs are originals as she tweeted yesterday. She also tweeted how much she loved Bendeth her producer. She´s mentioned how good Jeff Kazee was playing keys and on and on. She might not be happy about the single, but everything she´s said regarding the album as a whole, has been on very positive notes

  330. That was my point though, exactly. Whether it’s good or not doesn’t really mean it’ll connect with people – popularity really comes from connecting with people, and not from quality (of course that’s not to say that quality can’t lead to popularity too, but it’s far from a necessity).

    I want to say though that popularity is still important because you can’t reach people without it. Someone that comes to mind is Dave Matthews. Great Muscician, songwriter. Consitently puts out quality material, concerts are sold out, gets grammy noms and isn’t involved in the media hype and doesn’t get alot of buzz. So while he is not the most popular musician he is still very popular, many people buy his stuff and come see him perform.

  331. I think the tweet about the pride in her album is legit. She said “album” not “single” after all. She clearly thinks her producer is awesome and most of the album is her own stuff so I’m sure she’s psyched. Now she should probably let the tweets rest a bit and let the music do the talkin’.

  332. Crystal will cover Buffalo Springfield – For What It’s Worth on her upcoming CD!

    This is actually starting to seem kinda odd to me – we’d heard that Crystal would have all but 1 of her originals on the album. Well, Hold On isn’t one of her originals, and now this isn’t either. It’s not a matter that they’re not original songs, but that I’m really just wondering what’s going on.

    I really hope that Crystal didn’t record 10-12 of her originals, and hear that they’d be using all of them on the album. At the same time, she recorded half a dozen or so other songs and now at the 11th hour, they’re going to instead release all the covers with only half as many of her originals. Don’t get me wrong, I really think she could make almost anything sound good, I just really hope they’re not going to totally screw her over in the end. Someone who was trying to make their name as a singer/songwriter will lose a lot of future credibility if their debut album is mostly covers. (I’m already figuring that Crystal will be one and done with Jive…it’s probably best for both parties involved. She just doesn’t seem to suit the label.)

  333. Mozart, judging from the Q & A, Crystal wanted to do this classic, mainly because of the message in the song. I also understood her as the rest were originals, she did repeat about 90% being originals, so don´t worry, be happy :) Many respected singer/songwriters cover classics on their albums. I can´t wait to hear her take on this classic, think it will be awesome

  334. Another tweet from Crystal, and I have to agree w/ this one. LOL
    crystalbowersox Crystal Bowersox
    Makes me giggle a bit reading blog comments. Just stay tuned folks. Life is hilarious so you have to laugh at all of it at least a little.

  335. I hope so. And if she’s saying now still that there’s that many originals on the album, I would think it’d be the truth because her album would have to be shipping out to stores in about a month. I imagine that physical copies of it either are made now or will be soon, so Jive shouldn’t be able to pull any more shenanigans with what’s actually on it at this point, lol.

  336. crystalbowersox Crystal Bowersox
    Makes me giggle a bit reading blog comments. Just stay tuned folks. Life is hilarious so you have to laugh at all of it at least a little.

    Lol. *waves* Hi Crystal. :-P

  337. I’m sure they are just trying to find some ways to re coup some money re Crystal’s CD… covers might help get her some buyer recognition outside the AI bubble. Look what happened with SuBo after all… maybe the PTB have wishful thinking. I’m sure they know how many pre orders have been made so far as well, so things might not be looking to successful right now

  338. Mateja:
    11/05/2010 at 7:55 am
    I agree. And I suspect that’s the reason why Sony let their contract with AI expire and had little or no interest to renew it. AI contestants from recent years just don’t sell as much as Sony labels would want them to sell. And it’s really hard to get radio play for them. The idea of the show is to find popstars and I think they didn’t get as many popstars as they hoped for over the years.

    Either that, or I think it’s possible that they want to put their resources into the ones they have had some success with. Not only do they still have Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry, and Carrie Underwood, they also are also putting a lot of resources into some of the newer artists. In particular, I think they are investing a lot into David Cooks album based on who they have producing and cowriting, and also Adam Lamberts. Maybe in order to properly promote who they already have, it was better for them not to have anyone else from AI.

  339. I think doing “For What It’s Worth” is Crystals initiative all the way. Can´t imagine Jive coming up with a song like that. So, I don´t believe this has anything to do with “compromising” Also, there is no good cover of this song out there IMO. The ones I found were not good. Didn´t find any sung by a female

  340. Hold On == Breakaway
    Kelly + Breakaway == success
    Crystal != Kelly
    Crystal + Hold On Kelly + Breakaway (*sigh)

    The only problem with this is that Hold On is not a great song. It’s good. Only good. Breakaway was stellar.

  341. I agree with Eriko. For what it’s worth is exactly the kind of song Crystal would cover (that’s why she’s so f’ing cool).

  342. For What’s it Worth FTW!

    I am so excited for this song. This is the perfect cover song for crystal n love the way she introduced it, relevant n timeless classic. Back to the roots n teach ’em kids what’s it all about, crystal. Whoohoo!

  343. I agree with Eriko. For what it’s worth is exactly the kind of song Crystal would cover (that’s why she’s so f’ing cool).

    Say it isn’t so….That song is a one of a kind and a symbol of a war nobody wanted. To bring it out 40 years later to a generation that doesn’t have a clue as to it’s significance is blasphemy. Some things are better left untouched.

  344. Say it isn’t so….That song is a one of a kind and a symbol of a war nobody wanted. To bring it out 40 years later to a generation that doesn’t have a clue as to it’s significance is blasphemy. Some things are better left untouched.

    Which rock have u been living under? US is in not 1 but 2 wars right now, a lot of people from both right n left are demanding tt the troops be back home. Ofcourse it’s easier to get burried under the E!s, ETs, Cosmos but doesn’t neglect the fact that billions are spend on the wars n a lot of lives are lost. What about the wars going in the rest of the world, Palestine-israel, Congo, Sierra leone, dafur etc…. I say the song is as relevant now as it were during Vietnam war.

    FYI the song was not originally written for the war but people associated with worldwide conflicts at that time like VW.

    From wikipedia:

    …Stills reportedly wrote the song in reaction to escalating unrest between law enforcement and young club-goers related to the closing of Pandora’s Box, a club on the Sunset Strip in West Hollywood, California.

  345. *smacks self in forehead* You know I’m horrible at knowing names of songs from time to time. I hadn’t looked up For What it’s Worth until just now – I really didn’t figure it mattered what the song was, I was commenting before more just on the fact of covers/non-originals in general. It’s THAT song! Lol I feel like a true idiot now.

    You know I see nothing wrong with covering the song 40-50 years after the time that it was originally so popular. As has already been mentioned, there’s a good many things in our world today that are little changed from what they were at that time. Plus, to be honest, the song strikes right at what would possibly be a big target demographic for Crystal – it’s no secret that a good many middle aged people were drawn to her because of her throwback style. Not everyone has the attitude that songs that are classic should never be touched again just because they’re classics. When it does bother me is when an artist has no understanding of the original and just makes changes at random. (I was completely fuming mad when I first heard A Perfect Circle’s remake of Lennon’s Imagine, because they went as far as to change the key and make it such a depressing song, I thought they missed the true feeling of the song. When I saw the video I finally got that they did everything intentionally, juxtaposing Lennon’s dreams of what the world could be with what it was becoming instead…and at that point, I loved it.)

    The only thing that bothers me about Crystal covering For What it’s Worth is that some people (of course, mostly the ones who wouldn’t have cared for her music anyways) will say it’s further proof of how “out of date” she is and how irrelevant she is. Who knows though – depending on how she does the song, it could actually be a big breakthrough itself for her. If done well, it could possibly be a song that would get her airplay on modern rock radio – and it’s kinda ironic that her announced first single is co-written by the lead singer of Nickelback, a modern rock mainstay. I won’t be surprised if they try to push some of her music to rock radio, if it’s, well, rock enough.

  346. I’m responding to some old posts and haven’t figured out how to quote here…

    First of All Crystal didn’t start the reaction to “Hold On” her fans did…they asked her if they minded ans she said go ahead. The Village Idiots (I am one) and others had been reacting for hours before Crystal came online.

    I am really happy David Bendeth is producing the Album, I lust listened to a preview of Lee DeWyze’s album and found it to be cheesy pop crap. Tim Urban could have smiled and done just as good with the songs on Lee’s album.

    The choice of drummer is terrific, Bendeth has produced Breaking Benjamin and knows Chad is not just an alternative rock drummer, he has been a jazz drummer etc…and is one of the top drummers out there.

    Get ready people, I have listened to some unreleased studio versions of songs Crystal recorded for an unreleased album and they are amazing. Songs you wont find on youtube. So don’t judge her songwriting until you hear the album, there are pre-idol songs on it that most of you haven’t heard before.

  347. First of All Crystal didn’t start the reaction to “Hold On” her fans did…they asked her if they minded ans she said go ahead. The Village Idiots (I am one) and others had been reacting for hours before Crystal came online.

    It takes two hands to clap.

  348. Putting Lee down doesn’t make your darling Crystal better or less, I just don’t understand some people can’t post comments without it. Lee poured his heart and soul into this album, If you don’t like it, fine, but show some respect at least.

  349. Dammit RedBeanie!!! You beat me to it. I logged in just to say the same thing. That really bugs the crap out of me.

  350. I am really happy David Bendeth is producing the Album, I lust listened to a preview of Lee DeWyze’s album and found it to be cheesy pop crap. Tim Urban could have smiled and done just as good with the songs on Lee’s album.

    Well I like both Crystal and Lee. I think Crystal will make a fantastic album, but I also listened to the preview of Lee’s album and thought he did a solid job. I wouldn’t call Lee’s music ” pop crap”. I just don’t feel the need to compare Crystal’s and Lee’s music, because i don’t view it as a competition. I like all genres of music, as long as it’s organic and not overproduced. It seems like Crystal will be making a a more rock/country album, and Lee went for a more pop/folk sound. AI is over, let’s just enjoy the music now.

  351. Very well said referring to the 4 posters above me….the competition is over….there was a winner and a runner-up…both excellent positions to be in. Enjoy the album of your favorite :)

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