Adam Lambert: Cincy DJ Reporting New Single To Be Pink/Max Martin Tune

UPDATE: I’m hearing the response from 19 on this is, “We have not announced Adam’s single yet”.   Take that for what you will.

DJ Brian Douglas of   Cincinatti’s Q102 FM is claiming to have the skinny on Adam Lambert’s new single.

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He blogs:

I spoke with Adam’s record company today and we will have a brand new song written by Pink and Max Martin. It is not the song from the “2012” movie. As soon as I get my hands on it we will put it on the air. I was told today we will have it by Monday at the latest but sometimes these things change. I will update you here when I know more. I am excited to hear Adam’s studio work.

In a recent EW interview, Adam mentioned a song called “What Do You Want From Me” written by Pink and Max Martin.

Adam described the song, “It works on a relationship level, but I also relate to the sense of talking to the public. Like, ‘This whole thing’s a little freaked out, but please have faith in me because I won’t disappoint you.’ 

According to one of Pink’s fansites, the song was considered for, but not used on Pink’s Funhouse album.

The name of the single has not been confirmed by either Adam or 19/RCA.

But, with so many rumors swirling, I’m sure we’ll hear something definitive soon.

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418 Comments

  1. MJ – is there any other confirmation of this or is it still a rumor in your opinion?

  2. THANK GOD FOR NEW THREAD. Most of the conversation has to do with Alisan Porter, Cassidy Haley, Ferras, and others listening to his album at this moment…

  3. I am hoping for something upbeat and from what has been said of the Pink song it doesn’t sound like it would be a ‘happy’ song. Wonder if we’ll get any confirmation soon…

  4. Me, too, twinkle. GaGa just said how much she loved it in that new interview, which just doesn’t seem coincidental, and much has been made of her working with him lately. But we don’t know about that single at all, do we? Is that the one that Lyndsey couldn’t talk about?

    I have to go to bed in 15 minutes and there will be no news. And i will get up and there will be 300 posts, won’t there?

    Per Q3, video will be 2012 footage (b/c it’s a promo, after all) w/ Adam’s TfM audio but not his video. Sadness. I wanted to see Adam on the big screen… :(

  5. ONE MORE TWEET:

    @elythecreep U guys r amazing….am I dreaming??5 minutes ago from UberTwitter

    I bet he is hanging with Alisan, too. All the cool kids are.

  6. I am hoping for something upbeat and from what has been said of the Pink song it doesn’t sound like it would be a ‘happy’ song. Wonder if we’ll get any confirmation soon’ ¦

    It’s gonna be an upbeat song. Adam is having dancers at the AMA’s.

  7. I am hoping for something upbeat and from what has been said of the Pink song it doesn’t sound like it would be a ‘happy’ song.

    I don’t get this. It sounds like a positive message to me.

  8. I’m rooting for the Gaga collab, Strut, Entertainment, or the Max Martin collab (the one that’s not with Pink). Based off of nothing whatsoever.

    I am hoping for something upbeat and from what has been said of the Pink song it doesn’t sound like it would be a ‘happy’ song.

    I don’t get this. It sounds like a positive message to me.

    Positive message =/= happy and DEFINITELY =/= happy and dancey. A song called What Ya Want From Me, written about a relationship on the rocks…yeah, idk.

  9. Don’t worry, Adam’s TFM video will be incorporated into the trailers at TII.
    They will not miss this opportunity for some great cross promotion!

  10. suebrody
    October 27, 2009 at 1:12 am

    Per Q3, video will be 2012 footage (b/c it’s a promo, after all) w/ Adam’s TfM audio but not his video. Sadness. I wanted to see Adam on the big screen’ ¦

    Sue, that’s not what Q3 said. This is her post:

    Q3
    October 27, 2009 at 12:32 am
    I am not sure why there is a debate over whether Adam’s MV of TfM will be airing before MJ ‘This Is It’  but Columbia Pictures and Sony Music have both confirmed that it will. From MTV News:

    Starting October 28, fans can check out the ‘Time for Miracles’  music video on the big screen when a special extended ‘2012’ ³/ ‘Time for Miracles’  trailer runs before screenings of ‘Michael Jackson’s This Is It.’ 

    Link to article: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1624326/20091021/lambert_adam_american_idol_.jhtml

    And yes, some lucky people will be to see the TfM MV in IMAX with real IMAX sound ‘” equal to 3 CD’s in quality.

  11. A song called What Ya Want From Me, written about a relationship on the rocks, may have a positive message’ ¦ but not necessarily a happy one, and definitely not a let’s go party and dance vibe.

    Well, it sounds like the kind of message P!nk would convey with some ‘tude, imo. But it’s kind of hard to judge a song we haven’t heard a note of. At this point, I don’t really care what the single is. Just give it to us~ :D

  12. Adam could probably dance to a synth mix of MW…I don’t care, really, b/c he will “work it out” (c 2009, PTFM, all rights reserved)

    At least we know we will get to see Adam on the Red Carpet tomorrow. Emo hair? Maybe James Dean hair. Seems to be the rage these days.

    Okay, that’s it for me, gang. I hope I wake up and find out some sort of news. Ciao.

  13. Great song title – in fact, it sounds like something a snotty Allison could sing. Isn’t it something all of us has said at one time or another – and NOT in a nice way?

  14. But it’s kind of hard to judge a song we haven’t heard a note of. At this point, I don’t really care what the single is. Just give it to us~

    True and true. Whatever this single is, it better come out next Monday as planned… or I might cry… ^.^

  15. Season 8 debut singles: Winner gets a cover; runner-up gets scraps. Not that any of this matters, but I still find it kinda funny.

  16. You are right, CindyM. Head foggy. Just want new music. MW, with synth would be fine.

    Bye all.

  17. It’s funny that they have all these great songwritters/producers recording songs for Adam and they choose a single that was written for Pink.

    Don’t think it matters tough, good songs are hard to come by and if Adam can relate to they lyrics it’s all that matters.

  18. based on the lady gaga interview that she did this morning where she said she wouldnt reveal the name of the single they did together because you “only get one debut” really makes me think it is their collaboration that is the single… that song is going to be his debut and she doesnt want to steal his thunder (love her for that btw).

    plus, although pink is tops right now too, lady gaga is IT. a collaboration with her would immediately give the writers something to write about (they already have been), she is a hitmaker (hello 4 #1s off her debut album) and she has a similar outlook on entertainment (gifted singer, crazy beats, OTT performances).

    add to that the fact that things are taking longer than originally stated (mid october has come and gone), im guessing the lady gaga single is the reason for the delay. it wouldnt have delayed the album but it WOULD have delayed the single release.

    please oh please oh please!

    ETA: and just to screw my gagaglambert tin hat on a little tighter – floating out a gaga/adam collaboration as the first single would be a great way to test/lead into a gaga/adam tour…

    (here is the interview) http://www.kiddlive.com/Article.asp?id=1561565&spid=

  19. One of the most famous “scraps” in music history was “Younger than Springtime” in South Pacific. Richard Rodgers had rejected it from use in his musical Allegro; his daughters remembered the tune and thought it was better for South Pacific with new lyrics. And for South Pacific, it was perfect.

  20. But it’s kind of hard to judge a song we haven’t heard a note of.

    Exactly, like I said at the end of the other thread, how can you choose which song would be the best single based only on the title?

    I have great faith in Adam’s team to pick a hot song for his first single.

    I am hoping for something upbeat and from what has been said of the Pink song it doesn’t sound like it would be a ‘happy’ song.

    You don’t have to have a ‘happy’ song to have an exciting presentation and dancers- look at Gaga’s Paparrazzi- that is not a ‘happy’ song, but look at the treatment it got on the VMA’s!!!!

  21. ITA, twinkle, but I am too tired to repost. There has been a lot of GaGa coverage, and I could totally seeing him record a song that she had not rejected but had in fact written and thought would be a better fit for him than for her (she was asked to write for him but gave him this song and he loved it and she is all giddy in the interview).

    Really bye now (geez, I sound like poor luv).

  22. “Season 8 debut singles: Winner gets a cover; runner-up gets scraps. Not that any of this matters, but I still find it kinda funny.”

    Nope, it does not matter. What matters is what the artist does with the song that is given to him to sing and how many CD’s he sells. Because then said artist gets to make another CD and so forth and so on. That’s what I’m sayin’.

  23. I don’t think you can class the Pink song as scraps if the reason it wasn’t included was because changing circumstances made the lyrics inappropriate … “Scraps” to me would mean that it wasn’t good enough and that’s not the impression I get from the various bits of info the Pink fans have been saying

  24. And all of a sudden Twitter is silent. (And this shit would have to happen in the middle of the night!)

  25. Credit to IDF posters, the following are also “scraps”:

    Leona’s “Bleeding Love” was written for Jesse McCarnetney
    Kelly’s “Miss Independant” was written for Christina A.
    Beyonce’s “Halo” was written for Leona
    Rihanna’s “Umbrella” was written for Britney
    Britney’s “Baby One More Time” was written for TLC

    Three out of five from the list ended up being the biggest hits for the artists who picked up the scraps. Nuff said. Go Adam.

  26. Guess I still have 30 minutes more to spare and wait for the latest news. I’m looking forward in waking up tomorrow with a snippet and a confirmation of his single.

  27. MJ ‘“ is there any other confirmation of this or is it still a rumor in your opinion?

    There’s no other confirmation. So, I’m not reporting it as fact yet. I know someone who knows someone at 19. I shot my contact an email…

  28. Just release it, plizzzzzzzzzz. Whatever it is, I’ll love it. Even if it is the phone book, I will love it, honest. So, just pliz release it.

  29. Tony
    October 27, 2009 at 1:23 am

    Season 8 debut singles: Winner gets a cover; runner-up gets scraps. Not that any of this matters, but I still find it kinda funny.

    if anything, it gives those that criticize the idol establishment for manufacturing music industry puppets more ammo lol. and i’ll say that so far, they’re on the money. if only kelly would leave rca…

    even though the subject matter sounds kinda gloomy, i’m expecting that max martin switched it up a bit from the original.

  30. Oh no. Don’t even try to tell me that Miss Pink is superior to The Lady Gaga, Adam Lambert. That’s gutter talk! Now. Do we want a sure-fire hit?? Or do we want a slow-burner?? I want a hit!! And I say if Her Glamorific Highness, The Lady Gaga, is willing to sit by your side and write a song just for you, then you put that song on the radio!! It’s the correct thing to do. Of course, if it’s sloppy seconds you prefer, then by all means, go with the Pink song. And elevate it to your status, as is your habit.

  31. Glad to see we have a new thread. The ‘tweet teasers’ are really getting me excited to hear new music from Adam. I think we’ll get a ‘leak’ of the new single before next Monday (keeping fingers crossed)!

    Guess I’ll have to wait till tomorrow for more Adam news. Good night all.

  32. Credit to IDF posters, the following are also ‘scraps’ :

    Leona’s ‘Bleeding Love’  was written for Jesse McCarnetney
    Kelly’s ‘Miss Independant’  was written for Christina A.
    Beyonce’s ‘Halo’  was written for Leona
    Rihanna’s ‘Umbrella’  was written for Britney
    Britney’s ‘Baby One More Time’  was written for TLC

    Add Since U Been Gone to that list… it was written for Pink

  33. And I say if Her Glamorific Highness, The Lady Gaga, is willing to sit by your side and write a song just for you, then you put that song on the radio!!

    I thought that Gaga said in her radio interview today that the song she’s given to Adam she actually wrote a while ago for herself but it didn’t really work for her but it suits Adam perfectly .. so she didn’t write it specifically for him

  34. ETA: and just to screw my gagaglambert tin hat on a little tighter ‘“ floating out a gaga/adam collaboration as the first single would be a great way to test/lead into a gaga/adam tour’ ¦

    (here is the interview) http://www.kiddlive.com/Article.asp?id=1561565&spid=

    Aww, your tinhatting is cute <3

    And I listened to that whole interview. I was loling so hard at Gaga's description of Adam going "oh my goooood I love it" because it's SO ADAM. He was probably fanboying like crazy just being in the same room as her.

  35. terps
    October 27, 2009 at 1:44 am

    Credit to IDF posters, the following are also ‘scraps’ :

    Leona’s ‘Bleeding Love’  was written for Jesse McCarnetney
    Kelly’s ‘Miss Independant’  was written for Christina A.
    Beyonce’s ‘Halo’  was written for Leona
    Rihanna’s ‘Umbrella’  was written for Britney
    Britney’s ‘Baby One More Time’  was written for TLC

    Add Since U Been Gone to that list’ ¦ it was written for Pink

    does it feel like groundhog day to anyone else? goody.

  36. ETA: and just to screw my gagaglambert tin hat on a little tighter ‘“ floating out a gaga/adam collaboration as the first single would be a great way to test/lead into a gaga/adam tour’ ¦

    (here is the interview) http://www.kiddlive.com/Article.asp?id=1561565&spid=

    Thanks for the link! And THAT’s a tinhat I can definitely put on as well. Gaga/Adam tour = yesyesyes.

    And I was loling so hard at that interview. Especially her description of Adam going “oh my GOD, I love it” at hearing her song– because that’s so Adam. He was probably struggling just to contain his fanboying at being in the same airspace as her. On one hand it makes me cringe a bit and on the other I think it’s so cute.

  37. I picture ali22san, ferris, lee cherry and the rest now toasting Adam and each other and dissolving into bubbly, frothy merriment, so the tweets have ceased and the news stilled. The best we can hope for now, I fear, is a drunk tweet once the champagne or whatever they’re drinking runs out.
    It could be a long night. …

  38. if anything, it gives those that criticize the idol establishment for manufacturing music industry puppets more ammo lol.

    Exactly. I mean, I don’t think it’s a big deal or anything, but once you get off Idol, singing songs that weren’t written for you is supposed to be a thing of the past.

    I reiterate…. I don’t think it’s a big deal. :) I WATCH Idol so I obviously don’t care about karaoke-carry over (unless it was an ALBUM of unoriginal material or something)

    Leona’s ‘Bleeding Love’  was written for Jesse McCarnetney
    Kelly’s ‘Miss Independant’  was written for Christina A.
    Beyonce’s ‘Halo’  was written for Leona
    Rihanna’s ‘Umbrella’  was written for Britney
    Britney’s ‘Baby One More Time’  was written for TLC

    So out of the thousands of scraps, 5 did amazingly well. I’m well aware of the history behind those songs. I’m not saying scraps are a bad thing. I’m just calling a spade a spade.

  39. Season 8 debut singles: Winner gets a cover; runner-up gets scraps. Not that any of this matters, but I still find it kinda funny.

    Well I agree the the Winner got a cover for his first single…

    But we don’t know what Adam recorded yet. I will at least wait until I hear something before I make any judgments.

  40. Adam Lambert, I don’t know if your single and album will be any good, but I do know one thing, you bring out the ugliness in the donkeys, asses, and who knows what. I hope I like your music, or else I may have to join the dark sides. If the scrap is your single, it better be kick ass good. Some asses definitely need some good kicks, mine included.

  41. ravengirl… the picture you painted makes me really happy for adam. sitting around with all of his good friends that have supported each other’s art in LA and celebrating the great success that one of them is achieving. i can just see them all rocking out drinking their champagne and vodka tonics and adam assuring them that they will be along for the ride. (oh and a drunk tweet sounds like a great idea right about NOW).

    it’s late and im turning into a big mushball, but i LOVE that his dream is coming true and all of these people around him are so excited for him.

    Sherena
    – i loved that part too, and i tip my tinhat to ya. RCA… if youre listening… get ON IT.

  42. Austinmidwife: What matters is what the artist does with the song that is given to him to sing and how many CD’s he sells. Because then said artist gets to make another CD and so forth and so on. That’s what I’m sayin’.

    ITA.

    The song does not qualify as a scrap. It was song written by Pink to express very personal feelings about a relationship. The only reason Pink didn’t record it herself is because of the complications of her life.

    She obviously felt the song was good enough to hold on to and she felt Adam could do it justice.. It is not some throwaway B side cover.

    And, whatever Adam does with it you can be sure he will NOT sing it note for note, using the original backing track, if there even was one. Adam is too musically talented. He will make it his own.

  43. I think tony’s spade is going to be a diamond for Adam. And we don’t know for sure that Pink’s song is going to be the single so it is all conjecture anyway. Time will tell.

  44. I don’t regard songs that don’t make an album as “scraps”. As we know from Adam’s album news, there have been a LOT of promising songs recorded, but they can’t all make the cut. That doesn’t mean they aren’t great songs. Same for Pink and lots of other artists.

  45. But we don’t know what Adam recorded yet. I will at least wait until I hear something before I make any judgments.

    Well, you’re right. I just find speculation a lot more interesting. :)

  46. adamaloha
    October 27, 2009 at 2:00 am
    It is not some throwaway B side cover.

    And, whatever Adam does with it you can be sure he will NOT sing it note for note, using the original backing track, if there even was one. Adam is too musically talented. He will make it his own.

    ZING! am i right? lol.

  47. Exactly. I mean, I don’t think it’s a big deal or anything, but once you get off Idol, singing songs that weren’t written for you is supposed to be a thing of the past.

    A great vocalist/musician can interpret a song, add his own emotion to it and commicate something completely new in his interpertation. The problem with most Idol covers is they are boring, poorly craft and poorly arranged. But what was wrong with these covers?

    All Along the Watchtower, Jimi Hendrix
    Respect, Aretha Franklin
    Crossroads, Cream
    With A Little Help From My Friends, Joe Cocker
    Mr. Tambourine Man, The Byrds
    Hound Dog, Elvis Presley
    You Shook Me, Led Zeppelin
    Hallelujah, Jeff Buckley
    Hurt Johnny, Cash
    Statesboro Blues, The Allman Brothers
    kd Lang, Hallelujah
    Sid Vicious, My Way
    The Fugees, Killing Me Softly
    Lil Wayne, I Will Always Love You

    Bonus cover: Star Spangled Banner, Jimi Hendrix

    IMO there is nothing wrong with singing a cover — just I expect it to be a new intrepretation.

  48. But what was wrong with these covers?
    [snip]
    Lil Wayne, I Will Always Love You

    I just went and listened to the live version of this. And um… A LOT.

    But otherwise, great points.

    ETA:

    Lil Wayne closes his concerts with the song (but doesn’t actually sing it).

    I saw a youtube version where he sings a bit of it.

  49. Q3, one of those is not like the other. unless there’s a lil wayne mixtape floating out there that i don’t have my hands on yet.

    lol ok i guess i don’t have my hands on it yet. but why lil wayne and not whitney? haha

  50. A great vocalist/musician can interpret a song, add his own emotion to it and commicate something completely new in his interpertation.

    I completely agree.

    (lil wayne covered “I Will Always Love You”? lol…seriously?)

    ETA: Searched Google….Lil Wayne closes his concerts with the song (but doesn’t actually sing it). Never been to one of his concerts, although my brother has. I’m not much of a concert-goer anyway, lol

  51. I guess it’s probably too late for something to pop tonight. It’s almost 11:30 on the Left Coast.

    I’m still hanging in there though. Woot is having a Woot-off so that’s entertaining me while I wait. Maybe I can pick up some good bargains while I wait for news of the release!

  52. Tony
    October 27, 2009 at 2:03 am
    But we don’t know what Adam recorded yet. I will at least wait until I hear something before I make any judgments.

    Well, you’re right. I just find speculation a lot more interesting.

    That’s why we’re all here… for the fun. :)

  53. Q3
    October 27, 2009 at 2:08 am
    Exactly. I mean, I don’t think it’s a big deal or anything, but once you get off Idol, singing songs that weren’t written for you is supposed to be a thing of the past.

    A great vocalist/musician can interpret a song, add his own emotion to it and commicate something completely new in his interpertation. The problem with most Idol covers is they are boring, poorly craft and poorly arranged. But what was wrong with these covers?

    All Along the Watchtower, Jimi Hendrix
    Respect, Aretha Franklin
    Crossroads, Cream
    With A Little Help From My Friends, Joe Cocker
    Mr. Tambourine Man, The Byrds
    Hound Dog, Elvis Presley
    You Shook Me, Led Zeppelin
    Hallelujah, Jeff Buckley
    Hurt Johnny, Cash
    Statesboro Blues, The Allman Brothers
    kd Lang, Hallelujah
    Sid Vicious, My Way
    The Fugees, Killing Me Softly
    Lil Wayne, I Will Always Love You

    Bonus cover: Star Spangled Banner, Jimi Hendrix

    IMO there is nothing wrong with singing a cover ‘” just I expect it to be a new intrepretation.

    ITA
    It is what the artist brings to the song that makes it great… or not. The interpretation and production can determine whether a cover will be freshly realized for a different audience, or simply karaoke.

  54. I guess it’s probably too late for something to pop tonight. It’s almost 11:30 on the Left Coast.

    Yep, unless someone drunk tweets, we aren’t getting any more news tonight…

  55. I just hope any of these songs is the Adam’s new single.

    None of the above.
    The song they are talking about was written by Pink and Max Martin –

  56. I would have loved to have heard Adam sing Hallelujah (Rufus Wainwright’s version ) Really a sexy song and Adam would have brought all that the song needed.

  57. This is just a rumor. The song mentioned is not a cover because it was not released. We don ´t know how it sounds. We don ´t know if it will be the single. So, really, nothing to say.

    I just want to listen to THE single.

  58. mistyluv7
    October 27, 2009 at 2:35 am
    I would have loved to have heard Adam sing Hallelujah (Rufus Wainwright’s version ) Really a sexy song and Adam would have brought all that the song needed

    OMG! Me too. That is one of my favorite songs.

  59. It’s funny that they have all these great songwritters/producers recording songs for Adam and they choose a single that was written for Pink.

    I agree, thinking about this and what happened with LLWD, kinda makes you think that 19 doesn’t like anything written for their idols by the songwriters they hired.

    I really have no idea on which song would be a good single, because well, I haven’t listened to the album, a song description can be very deceiving, I just hope this wait is worth it.

    I would have loved to have heard Adam sing Hallelujah (Rufus Wainwright’s version ) Really a sexy song and Adam would have brought all that the song needed

    That would have been heavenly indeed. What a beautiful song, and Rufus’ version is perfect.

  60. Oh no, is there cover worry again? I thought we beat that one to death back when it was called LLWD and discovered that most people didn’t care. Whatever it is will be Adam’s song and there’s no way it will sound like anyone else.
    Just.
    Can’t.
    Wait!

  61. Non-Idol bubble people do not give two hoots about who wrote the song, who produced the song, who the song was originally intended for, etc. They will buy the song if they like it when they hear it on the radio.

    Adam surpassed my expectations on Idol. I don’t expect him to do any differently with his own CD.

  62. Amen lorismile! That young man just continues to entertain us all!

    I know I’m late in my celebration, but B&N Oahu FINALLY got their shipment in!!! Picking up all 3 mags tomorrow!! Woo Hoo!

  63. I don’t think you can class the Pink song as scraps if the reason it wasn’t included was because changing circumstances made the lyrics inappropriate ‘ ¦ ‘Scraps’  to me would mean that it wasn’t good enough and that’s not the impression I get from the various bits of info the Pink fans have been saying

    How do we know that it’s not a scrap (sure sounds like that to me)? What are the Pink fans saying? Why didn’t it make the album?

  64. To me,it does not matter if Adam puts out, others, original songs, or what he has written, or co-written, and, it does not matter if he puts out rejects (scraps) that have not made other writers albums!!!!!
    Some of the most beautiful pieces of art are made of reworked material and most beautiful quilts are made of scraps!!!
    Just like everything our talented Adam has sung so far, he makes ART and he OWNS it!!!!!
    Like most of you, I cannot wait to hear his single!!! . I doubt, I will
    be disappointed

  65. Man, I don’t care if the Pink song is a scrap or not. Just like Kris’s song from the Script – LLWD sounds good as an appropriate single. If Adam’s single was written by Pink or by Gaga or Ryan Tedder or him/Kara or him/Greg Wells or Justin Hawkins, who cares.

    I actually have no idea what Adam’s “new sound” is going to sound like, and no clue what he’ll look like on the AMAs. Even announcing the AMAs, Adam had a whole different look going on. So I guess we’ll see. On tour, I wasn’t sure what he was going to do with the Bowie medley, and really liked that, so hopefully his album will have a good fusion sound.

    I like Gaga’s speaking voice. It’s adorable.

  66. honowoowoo
    October 27, 2009 at 3:46 am
    Amen lorismile! That young man just continues to entertain us all!

    I know I’m late in my celebration, but B&N Oahu FINALLY got their shipment in!!! Picking up all 3 mags tomorrow!! Woo Hoo!

    Holy crap! Are you sure? I’m off to B&N tomorrow, for sure!!!

    It’s earlier than I expected!

  67. After spending last week worried that TFM would be THE single, I will be happy with any single that isn’t an MOR cheesy ballad (not that TFM is bad but ..)
    Soo looking forward to a P!nk, or Gaga or else track…
    As for being a ‘reject’, Bleeding love was a reject from Mc Cartney’s album Departure, and it didn’t do Leona any harm, did it…
    How good they might be, some songs are not necessarily best suited vocally to the songwriter or original performer.
    So great news, and can’t wait for the first snippet..

  68. The following tracks were confirmed for the original album’s track list. It is now presumed that they will appear as B-Side tracks on future singles.

    Tracks confirmed by ASCAP (American Society of Composers, Authors & Publishers) site:

    “What Ya Want From Me?” (Pink, Max Martin, Shellback)

    This is the title of the original song, perhaps they changed it?

  69. How do we know that it’s not a scrap (sure sounds like that to me)? What are the Pink fans saying? Why didn’t it make the album?

    It was about an affair she had while separated from her husband.
    By the time the album was released they had gotten back together and it was inappropriate on a personal level.
    She never recorded nor released it.

  70. It’s a leftover track. hmmmm

    http://www.pink-fanclub.com/funhouse-album.html

    yes, that is the article I found a week or two ago ( whenever the EW article came out with the track name). Someone also found it here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin%27s_Songwriting_and_Production_Credits

    There it is called an unreleased track.

    Every vocalist has gotten one song or another that way. ALL the idols have. Adam has never claimed to be a singer songwriter so no one expected anything more.

    But hey- if you are gonna get thown a leftover track? Might as well be Gaga and Pink! Bonus for no one ever hearing either one of them before! Believe me- when we found this out last week- we ALL went looking for it on this board. The Pink song has never been heard before.

  71. I guess it is true that we can look at the glas as half empty or half full; Eeew a Pink leftover! or Wow, a Pink/martin song!

  72. Buderschnookie- I don’t think that is true- I think people surmised that when they heard what the song was about- unless you have a link?

    She kept Please Don’t Leave Me on her album. The lyrics to Rockstar were mean too, And Corey Hart said on BTM it was extremely uncomfortable to be in the video for that, but he did it anyway. I doubt this one would have sent him over the edge.

    There is nothing wrong with the way Adam got this song. Done all the time.

  73. Maybe she just didn’t want to answer journalist questions about that song… It seems it was not about Carey but about someone else? Still, if it was a kiss-ass song why not just change the lyrics a bit? Whatever, never fully gonna get the record industry.

  74. Adam is up early again hawking Allisan’s CD:

    @ali22san: Cdbaby.com/cd/alisanporter. My girls music. // Listening to it over and over again, she's amazing!
    7 minutes ago from web

    Her reply:

    ali22san: @adamlambert. Iloveyou tonight was surreal.

    Or, sounds like someone still didn’t sleep, lol.

  75. ali22san We did it. Goodight I love you, I believe all your prayers worked. You are all sweet beams of light and u get it. I’m humbled.

    Addressed to everyone, I hink

  76. Studio57
    October 27, 2009 at 6:33 am
    Adam is up early again hawking Allisan’s CD:

    @ali22san: Cdbaby.com/cd/alisanporter. My girls music. // Listening to it over and over again, she’s amazing!
    7 minutes ago from web

    The man doesn’t sleep.

    As for the song– if it’s the Pink/Martin song then screw half empty or half full. I’m going with filled to the brim with goodness.
    We’re still waiting for confirmation, though. Gaga could still win the honors as first single. That would be epic.

    And this:

    “mama2dasha
    October 27, 2009 at 6:39 am
    ali22san We did it. Goodight I love you, I believe all your prayers worked. You are all sweet beams of light and u get it. I’m humbled.

    Addressed to everyone, I think”

    This makes me want to weep tears of joy for Adam.

  77. I am guessing her song made it on the record, from her last tweet there… what do you think? How about Aimee?

  78. saga
    October 27, 2009 at 6:40 am
    I am guessing her song made it on the record, from her last tweet there’ ¦ what do you think? How about Aimee?

    Hasn’t Aimee been awfully quiet?

  79. Non-Idol bubble people do not give two hoots about who wrote the song, who produced the song, who the song was originally intended for, etc. They will buy the song if they like it when they hear it on the radio.

    Exactly! until this year when I started following the AI stuff, despite the thousands of cds I have purchased over the years I have never given ANY thought to who wrote the song, who produced it, whether it was a cover, whether it was an original etc…never heard of any of these producers (well, maybe a few of them)….No one who doesn’t read these blogs will know or care who wrote or produced what unless it is specifically publicized (and then it may generate interest but no one will really care if you know what I mean)…if people like it it will sell; if not it won’t.

  80. ali22san We did it. Goodight I love you, I believe all your prayers worked. You are all sweet beams of light and u get it. I’m humbled.

    Alysan’s made it – I hope Aimee’s did too.

  81. if people like it it will sell; if not it won’t.

    Yeah, but I guess we’re trying to estimate the quality of the song by looking at who wrote it…

  82. Yeah, but I guess we’re trying to estimate the quality of the song by looking at who wrote it’ ¦

    i don’t see how that is possible — some of the best songwriters have written plenty of crap songs; and some crappy songwriters have written a few great ones…i guess we won’t know til we hear it….but speculation is fun….off to get dressed and start another day…

  83. Leona’s ‘Bleeding Love’  was written for Jesse McCarnetney
    Kelly’s ‘Miss Independant’  was written for Christina A.
    Beyonce’s ‘Halo’  was written for Leona
    Rihanna’s ‘Umbrella’  was written for Britney
    Britney’s ‘Baby One More Time’  was written for TLC

    You guys forgot some.

    Kelly’s “I Do Not Hook Up” was originally Katy Perry’s.
    Kelly’s “Long Shot” was also Katy’s (and I think both Katy’s versions of IDNHU and LS are on youtube)
    Kelly’s “Breakaway” was Avril Lavigne’s
    Leona Lewis “I Will Be” was also originally Avril’s.

    (just checked and both the Avril songs are on youtube too)

  84. I don’t care who wrote the song as long as it’s siiiiiiiiiiiiiick!

    Wow, Adam’s slang is contagious, isn’t it?

  85. Well if Allisan’s song made it, I hope it was based on quality and not because she is Adam’s friend. At this point he needs to be looking out for #1 and paying back any favours to friends.

  86. Well if Allisan’s song made it, I hope it was based on quality and not because she is Adam’s friend. At this point he needs to be looking out for #1 and paying back any favours to friends.

    I’m sure Adam wasn’t the final say, so if it made it was because more than just Adam liked it.

  87. clearone
    October 27, 2009 at 7:09 am
    Well if Allisan’s song made it, I hope it was based on quality and not because she is Adam’s friend. At this point he needs to be looking out for #1 and paying back any favours to friends.

    I see what you’re saying clearone, but somehow I don’t see any way that could happen. These songs have been vetted and analyzed and scrutinized by many– not just the artists. Paying back favors, even if Adam wanted to do it, would be at the bottom of the consideration list for the music execs that have to steer it to profitability– and difficult for Adam to accomplish at this stage in his career.

  88. Speaking of song scraps and rejects: Once upon a time there was a song that started out as a chorus given by a songwriter to Destiny’s Child, who didn’t want to record it. Then the same chorus was given to Christina Aguilera, who added verses written by another songwriter and tweaked it some more, but then also decided not to use it because she found another song she preferred. Two years later the original songwriter played it for a singer and they finished the song. That scrappy, oft-rejected song (co-written by Rhett Lawrence, Kelly Clarkson, Christina Aguilera and Matt Morris) was entitled “Miss Independent” and went on to sell 1,000,000 copies in the US.

  89. clearone
    October 27, 2009 at 7:09 am
    Well if Allisan’s song made it, I hope it was based on quality and not because she is Adam’s friend. At this point he needs to be looking out for #1 and paying back any favours to friends.

    I see what you’re saying clearone, but somehow I don’t see any way that could happen. These songs have been vetted and analyzed and scrutinized by many’“ not just the artists. Paying back favors, even if Adam wanted to do it, would be at the bottom of the consideration list for the music execs that have to steer it to profitability’“ and difficult for Adam to accomplish at this stage in his career.

    Makes sense……hope you’re right.

    Geez I was hoping we’d have some single news by this morning.

    ….and those tweeters from last night are just mean people teasing everyone……

  90. Exactly! until this year when I started following the AI stuff, despite the thousands of cds I have purchased over the years I have never given ANY thought to who wrote the song, who produced it, whether it was a cover, whether it was an original etc’ ¦never heard of any of these producers (well, maybe a few of them)’ ¦.No one who doesn’t read these blogs will know or care who wrote or produced what unless it is specifically publicized (and then it may generate interest but no one will really care if you know what I mean)’ ¦if people like it it will sell; if not it won’t.

    I completely agree with that (except for the fact that I’ve been at MJ’s for a lot longer than just this season :)).

    Pink’s songs typically fit well on Top 40 radio. And, they don’t just fit because they’re generic garbage. Usually, they’re quite good. Funhouse is a really fabulous CD (to me). For whatever reason, she changed her mind about recording it. Could be for the personal reasons rumored, or maybe just because she already had such great material. Either way, the label thinks this song is good enough for a first single. Honestly, I’m looking forward to it. I’m hopeful – but prepared for disappointment as happens so often with post-AI music.

  91. I’m still not believing this DJ until one more reliable source says that is the song. After Gaga’s interview, it does sound like HER song is going to be the first one. And it makes sense that Lyndsey P. wouldn’t name the 4th song she heard. She would have named the Pink one because EW already named it and described it in print.

    And since the Gaga song is pne of the songs we know he recorded last, it makes sense that he was holding out for it.

    Either one- I’m psyched!

  92. Just listened to the Gaga interview. I was shocked to see that it was the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex Top 40 station. Kidd Kraddick is the IT GUY around here… KISS FM reaches a gazillion people.

    The Adam Lambert mention in the interview is HUGE. Like I said yesterday, this collaboration with Gaga has given Adam some IMMEDIATE street cred with the Top 40 DJ’s and now they are looking forward to his first single with some anticipation. I listened to the whole thing and I do not think I heard “American Idol” mentioned even one time. TG for that. Gaga’s music is poppier than I want Adam to be but I think he needs to break into the market first with something that is going to go off the charts and the Gaga song might just be the one to do it.

  93. Don’t think I saw this latest tweet in the above thread…. If it’s a repeat, sorry!

    ali22san fyi my track “NEVER EASY” was written by me and @adamlambert……forever ago….who would have thought.14 minutes ago from web

  94. Don’t think I saw this latest tweet in the above thread’ ¦. If it’s a repeat, sorry!

    ali22san fyi my track ‘NEVER EASY’  was written by me and @adamlambert’ ¦’ ¦forever ago’ ¦.who would have thought.14 minutes ago from web

    Teri63-I had not seen this. Now this is news! We have another song title and know it was cowritten by Adam!

  95. Don’t think I saw this latest tweet in the above thread’ ¦. If it’s a repeat, sorry!

    ali22san fyi my track ‘NEVER EASY’  was written by me and @adamlambert’ ¦’ ¦forever ago’ ¦.who would have thought.14 minutes ago from web

    Teri63-I had not seen this. Now this is news! We have another song title and know it was cowritten by Adam!

    This is on Alisan’s CD not Adam’s

  96. ali22san fyi my track ‘NEVER EASY’  was written by me and @adamlambert’ ¦’ ¦forever ago’ ¦.who would have thought.

    Teri63-I had not seen this. Now this is news! We have another song title and know it was cowritten by Adam!

    I take this to mean a song that Adam co wrote is on Alisan’s new album.

  97. Kelly’s ‘I Do Not Hook Up’  was originally Katy Perry’s.

    I think that one is proof for the other side (don’t sing a scrap for somebody else’s album. That song was a real under-performer for a Kelly single).

    Scraps get used all the time. I’m not sure I buy the changing relationship circumstances reason for the song being scrapped because “Funhouse” has a number of songs that rag on her husband (I remember her media interviews from last fall where she talked about “So What” and how he was a good sport to film it considering). Plus, they didn’t admit that they started “dating” again until March of this year, so that was long after the album was released. But who cares? Sometimes a song just doesn’t fit with the other songs.

    If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a hundred times, a good song is rare, so if you can get the rights to one, sing it. So, I’m not going to rag on this one. I just wonder if it will reduce the number of times cover-gate (“Isn’t it a tragedy?”) and “How can his single have a name that’s similar to another completely different song?” posts that happen every time LLWD gets discussed. If so, I say bravo to this song choice!

  98. Just listened to the Gaga interview. I was shocked to see that it was the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex Top 40 station. Kidd Kraddick is the IT GUY around here’ ¦ KISS FM reaches a gazillion people.

    I Listen to kidd Draddick in New Orleans….I don’t think he followed AI regularly but towards end of season he would play snippets of adam vs Kris songs and i could tell he liked Adam….I am going to email him

  99. Does it give Adam more credibility to have “co-writer” on a song? It seems to be important to some people. I understand he will get paid for writing. I’m not saying this well. What I want to know is if this is really is important in the music business?

  100. Does it give Adam more credibility to have ‘co-writer’  on a song? It seems to be important to some people. I understand he will get paid for writing. I’m not saying this well. What I want to know is if this is really is important in the music business?

    Honestly I could care less if he wrote it or not, I just want him to sing the heck out of what ever material he has. So far he has not disappointed me. As for the cover non cover, different situation and since this is not a Kris thread LLWD is not the topic of discussion.

  101. Does it give Adam more credibility to have ‘co-writer’  on a song? It seems to be important to some people. I understand he will get paid for writing. I’m not saying this well. What I want to know is if this is really is important in the music business?

    It’s not important to Adam fans. We all knew he was going to have songs thown at him from just about every writer in the business. He’s a vocalist first and foremost, not a singer songwriter. Although the one song we all know he wrote- Crawl Thru Fire, is a youtube hit.

  102. I think that one is proof for the other side (don’t sing a scrap for somebody else’s album. That song was a real under-performer for a Kelly single).

    Well, I like it, so obviously mileages vary. :D I have no idea how many downloads it sold or where it peaked on the charts, but I know I heard it on the radio a lot.

    Anyway, I wasn’t trying to give examples of OMGSMASHSONGS. Just songs recorded by someone other than the intended artist in general. “I Will Be” was definitely a miss for Leona Lewis.

    I’m not sure I buy the changing relationship circumstances reason for the song being scrapped because ‘Funhouse’  has a number of songs that rag on her husband (I remember her media interviews from last fall where she talked about ‘So What’  and how he was a good sport to film it considering).

    FWIW, the rumor I’ve been seeing around isn’t that the song was ragging on her husband, it’s that the song is about her relationship with the guy she was seeing before she got back with Carey. (this was from a poster from ontd_ai)

    I just wonder if it will reduce the number of times cover-gate (‘ Isn’t it a tragedy?’ ) and ‘How can his single have a name that’s similar to another completely different song?’  posts that happen every time LLWD gets discussed.

    Speaking for myself, I’ve never had a problem with LLWD originally being The Script’s song. I have more of an issue with the fact that it’s just not a very good song, period. YMMV! :)

  103. Is it that important that that he’s singing an unreleased track originally intended for another album? Sometimes songs just don’t fit conceptually into an album and get rejected, not because they’re bad songs. What’s important is whether the final output is great or not.

    For example, one of my all time fav Led Zeppelin songs, “In the Light”, that’s on the 1975 Physical Graffiti album, was actually written in 1973 and named “In the Morning”. They just weren”t fit the song conceptually into the Houses of the Holy album. Did it mean it was an inferior song? No — and it’s actually Jimmy Page’s favourite song on Physical Graffiti (as it is mine). Just sayin’.

  104. 4Msrmyn
    October 27, 2009 at 8:16 am

    Well, according to some people, many who post here, if you aren’t a songwriter you don’t have much cred as an all around Artist. Then you are just labeled a Singer. The totem pole of talent seems to be: Songwriter, Instrument player, band member, and then singer.

    Personally, I think that line-up is pretty wacked ’cause if you don’t have a voice and can’t sing why bother. But with auto-tune and what is on the radio, right now, you obviously don’t need to be able to sing well.

    Now, some Artists are totally making it to the top of the charts on their songwriting ability…case on point is Taylor Swift. People like her songs so her lack of a great voice is totally forgiven.

    Rock and roll has totally changed the nature of the beast….40 years ago it was unusual that the big names recorded any of their own stuff, the prevailing thought was leave that to the pros. Then the tide shifted and over the last 40 years it has become the “it” thing to write your own material.

    I think in a lot of cases this has watered down the music scene…when you are writing for yourself you become a little more limited because you have to do something that works with your voice and style…so I don’t believe that it stretches a person beyond their comfort zone. On the other hand, writing a “tough” song that is intricate and finding the best vocalist to perform it would only make both the singer and the songwriter look better.

    So being a singer/songwriter, IMHO, is a double edged sword that doesn’t always produce the best a person is capable of.

  105. It’s funny that they have all these great songwritters/producers recording songs for Adam and they choose a single that was written for Pink.

    Don’t think it matters tough, good songs are hard to come by and if Adam can relate to they lyrics it’s all that matters.

    Well, they have a lot of prominent *hack* songwriters writing for them. And some prominent, successful songwriters and performers. And, in Adam’s case, I think the big names have been more the
    producers than the songwriters really.

    But the thing is — None of these people got more than about a day, if that, to write these songs. And songwriting is *not* a science. Yeah, you can write a song with passable melody and lyrics and in the right form in a rush and on the particular day that you get yanked into the studio to work with somebody. But it’s a friggin’ *art,* and you won’t necessarily get good songs out of that, let alone great ones, no matter how skilled you are.

    Plus, for the singles, they’re trying to put together the optimal combination of song plus production of song to be *radio* *friendly,* which is a whole different thing from picking the “best” songs, too.

    The songs that fit that bill could be written by *anybody*, and it’s probably not surprising that Kris’s and Adam’s may both turn out to be songs that people wrote *not* on the crazy turn-out-an-Idol-debut-album schedule but wrote instead while they were concentrating on and inspired by their work on a particular album of their own. The Pink and Script songs may have been written with a lot more heat and momentum — and thus passion and imagination — than many of the one-day, one-off, collabs with Adam and Kris that were done especially for these two, rushed albums. In other words, these songs may have been written while the writers were on a roll, rather than just cranking up for a one-off day of composition with somebody they’ve never before met on an album that didn’t yet have a concept.

    Of course, this is what I’ve been predicting and saying all along, so I guess I’m not surprised that I’m not surprised, lol.

    But as with LLWD, if this is a good song, then it doesn’t make any difference that it was written originally for somebody else’s album. I don’t care when or why or by whom a song got written. I just care that it’s a good song well performed. I think that’s all most of us care about, isn’t it?

  106. Squirrely-I’m an Adam fan with a ridiculous amount of love for everything he sings.
    I was trying to find out if the writing thing is important to non-fan music business types.

  107. I agree, thinking about this and what happened with LLWD, kinda makes you think that 19 doesn’t like anything written for their idols by the songwriters they hired.

    That’s a thought. My (suspicious) view comes only from watching Cook, now Adam. This single, if it is one, sounds suspiciously like Light On, in that Cornell’s fans knew about it and expected Cornell might release it on a subsequent album. Then, Cornell submitted it for Cook, he recorded it and voila, it’s his debut single for his debut album. I’m just wondering (suspicious) whether there are under the table agreements (industry custom, expectations, whatever) that the songs will be the singles when new artists get material from big names in the business.

    I also always thought Light On was chosen to attempt to give Cook some cred (or whatever) to hopefully encourage radio play. I’m feeling all the same things regard the song P!nk wrote and gave to Adam here. Is there something about a single release that benefits a contributing artist more than when the song simply appears and sells with the album? I suspect so, but who knows. Suffice it to say, I’m believing less and less that singles are chosen organically…

    Not to belabor a ridiculous point, but I thought the whole “Isn’t it tragic?” sentiment regarding covergate and LLWD was more about how Kris seemed somehow unaware of it’s history? Regardless, I agree, who cares. In the end, the speed with which Idol albums are created and released demands that they use some already existing material. I don’t for a minute believe that this phenomenon is unique to Idol alums either.

  108. I’m not sure I buy the changing relationship circumstances reason for the song being scrapped because ‘Funhouse’  has a number of songs that rag on her husband (I remember her media interviews from last fall where she talked about ‘So What’  and how he was a good sport to film it considering)

    WDYWFM was written about someone PINK was dating during her separation from her husband, but by the time Funhouse was being completed, she and hubby had reconciled, so it’s not on the album.

    So, I’m not going to rag on this one. I just wonder if it will reduce the number of times cover-gate (‘ Isn’t it a tragedy?’ ) and ‘How can his single have a name that’s similar to another completely different song?’  posts that happen every time LLWD gets discussed.

    WDYWFM has never been released or performed live by Pink. LLWD was released-it’s a cover.
    What Kris song has a name that’s similar to a completely different song? LLWD? The versions sound almost identical.

  109. from ali22san “Were all hearing the best record to hit the universe in quite a while. Whatever you think your gonna get from @adamlambert. Times a million.”about 9 hours ago from UberTwitter

    RT @leecherry: Adam’s shit is gonna kick your ass and slap your momma!!

    WOW !!

  110. But as with LLWD, if this is a good song, then it doesn’t make any difference that it was written originally for somebody else’s album. I don’t care when or why or by whom a song got written. I just care that it’s a good song well performed. I think that’s all most of us care about, isn’t it?

    Agreed! I’d rather hear a good song with a few miles on it than a new piece of throwaway dreck any day. New isn’t necessarily better, and quality should be a prime consideration when song picks are made.

  111. How do we know that it’s not a scrap (sure sounds like that to me)?

    What makes it scraps? To me scraps is a song that appeared as a B-sided single on an EP and was then recorded exactly like the original track. Not a song that was written by a very talented artist, who is known to write very impressive songs. Ultimately, song writers want their songs sung. If the song no longer fit Pink and she wanted it recorded by someone else why shouldn’t Adam use it? Same with GaGa…. not every song has to be written specifically for the artist it ends up with as long as said artist can relate to it.

    It seems to me that the standards are very different for Adam than for others. This isn’t a cover but suddenly it’s worse that the song was written by someone else? makes no sense to me at all.

  112. It’s not important to Adam fans. We all knew he was going to have songs thown at him from just about every writer in the business. He’s a vocalist first and foremost, not a singer songwriter.

    It’s Adam’s amazing vocal ability and interpretive skills that set him apart. I could care less who writes the songs he sings. His Upright Cabaret covers are what made me a fan and I’d heard those songs plenty of times before by other artists. Oh, yeah, loved Whole Lotta Love the first time around by Led Zep. When I heard Adam sing it, I almost lost my mind – in a good way! Never gave a thought to who wrote it, I was too busy watching Adam perform it.

  113. I think that one is proof for the other side (don’t sing a scrap for somebody else’s album. That song was a real under-performer for a Kelly single)

    A top 20 rank on the Billboard Hot 100 and in excess of 620,000 downloads, and IDNHU was a “real under-performer”? Interesting standard. I would be interested to know what Hot 100 rank and download sales figure you would regard as a “success” for LLWD?

    WDYWFM has never been released or performed live by Pink. LLWD was released-it’s a cover.

    That’s true, but in reality, it doesn’t matter. Really.

  114. The cover song conversation is kind of boring to me. I don’t care who wrote it or if it was recorded before or not. I thought a cover meant that the song was already made a big hit by someone else.

    I would much rather speculate on what Adam will be wearing this evening and who he will be with!!!

  115. Off topic but to clarify’ ¦there is a country song by Tim McGraw whose title is Live like You Were Dying that is/has been a hit.

    Oh-so that’s what that comment meant.(It was slightly confusing.) Funny-I love the Tim McGraw song. Great melody, wonderful message, heartfelt interpretation. It was a HUGE hit!

    WDYWFM has never been released or performed live by Pink. LLWD was released-it’s a cover.

    That’s true, but in reality, it doesn’t matter. Really

    It only matters if people state something that isn’t true.
    Reality is:
    LLWD-is a cover WDYWFM-not a cover

    Will it matter in how well the songs are received on the radio- NO! I’ve said that since the first day we heard the snippet for LLWD.

  116. Hey Terraj – I thought I was the only person whose fav Zep was song “Into the Light” – Cheers! Oh, and to stay on topic, ADAM would totally kill on that as well . . And yes, I get your point. I think its more about total feel of an album whether a track makes it. Doesn’t mean it sucks.

  117. Some interesting comments here. I’m definitely of the agreement that, yes, we will find something good, bad and in between to say about just about anything that comes out – it’s just in the nature of AI fandom to overanalyze everything, and so, whether the song was written by someone else, a cover, what have you, something will always be brought up as “controversial”. I never had a problem with the LLWD covergate issue, and I don’t have a problem in this case either.

    If the song is great, that’s all that matters, and more importantly, if it’s great as sung by Adam, even better! After all, some artists are just better suited to sing certain material. Adam is so unbelievably versatile and talented, that I can easily imagine him singing a Pink or Gaga song, even one they intended to record, and making it even better because of his vocal ability.

    More than anything, I think I’m hoping for an uptempo, energetic first single. I think that will be the best for radio play too. So that may be my biggest concern right now. Adam’s vocals are gonna kill it regardless. I also want an edge to the song, but if it’s coming from Pink, I wouldn’t expect anything less ;-)

  118. A top 20 rank on the Billboard Hot 100 and in excess of 620,000 downloads, and IDNHU was a ‘real under-performer’ ? Interesting standard. I would be interested to know what Hot 100 rank and download sales figure you would regard as a ‘success’  for LLWD?

    Does it really matter? I think IDNHU sucks and that it was an under-performer for a Kelly single. We were discussing that very song yesterday in the Mediabase thread and how some of us thought it was a bad song choice. So, I just thought it was funny to see it mentioned here. You’ll note I didn’t comment on the other Kelly-scrapped-songs because I do think they were hits.

    If you don’t agree that IDNHU sucks, I’m sure that I could dig up another song that was scrapped from one album, sung by somebody else and still sucked. Not every scrapped song has gone on to be a MEGAHIT. Some have flopped.

    Singing scrapped songs is not a guaranteed route to success. It can be and I don’t think a song that is scrapped means that there is something wrong with it. If you can make it work and end up with a good recording, I don’t care where it came from.

    For any song, I think you have to sell at least 1.5 million songs to be considered a hit these days. I think that maintaining Top 40 on the Hot 100 for a number of weeks is also a good sign. Megahits need to get in the Top 10, though (and not just for one week). I think this is true of any song regardless of who it is released by.

  119. It only matters if people state something that isn’t true.
    Reality is:
    LLWD-is a cover WDYWFM-not a cover

    Will it matter in how well the songs are received on the radio- NO! I’ve said that since the first day we heard the snippet for LLWD.

    That’s exactly what I meant when I said that “in reality, it doesn’t matter. Really.”

  120. Hey Terraj ‘“ I thought I was the only person whose fav Zep was song ‘Into the Light’ 

    Hmm – I so have to play this on ipod now – I don’t remember it too well, but have about 50+ Led Zep songs in my collection. I love “Friends” – personal fav of mine.

    Seguing back on topic, if Adam’s music is inspired by some of these classic rock songs, I will be mucho happy :-)

  121. Since we were talking about potential singles for Adam’s FYE album, what is usually the practice for selecting the “first” single? Is that normally the best or most radio-friendly track? Or do they hold back an even better one for a potential second single? If that’s the case, I can see them holding the GaGa song for a follow-up single. Can anyone comment on this process?

  122. terraj:For example, one of my all time fav Led Zeppelin songs, ‘In the Light’ , that’s on the 1975 Physical Graffiti album, was actually written in 1973 and named ‘In the Morning’ . They just weren’ t fit the song conceptually into the Houses of the Holy album. Did it mean it was an inferior song? No ‘” and it’s actually Jimmy Page’s favourite song on Physical Graffiti (as it is mine). Just sayin’.

    And another one: Silver Springs by Fleetwood Mac was originally supposed to be on their Rumours album. It sat around and collected dust until 1992 when they finally put it on a box set of Rumors where it was supposed to be :)

  123. Is that normally the best or most radio-friendly track? Or do they hold back an even better one for a potential second single?

    I’m pretty sure they try to go for the most radio-friendly thing. When you’re introducing somebody that people never heard before, your main goal is to get them heard. So you need “radio friendly” and “earworm,” mainly. Accessibility is all for the first one because you really really don’t want it to fail at radio or fail to rack up significant sales.

    Often, what’s used for the second track is something that’s still radio friendly but a different kind of song, a bit more ballady, or something, if the first one is very uptempo, for example. At that point, you may be trying to expand your fanbase, show your versatility, etc.

  124. If you don’t agree that IDNHU sucks, I’m sure that I could dig up another song that was scrapped from one album, sung by somebody else and still sucked. Not every scrapped song has gone on to be a MEGAHIT. Some have flopped.

    No, really? Geez, who would’ve guessed? Personally, I’m not a fan of IDNHU, but I’m not about to designate it as a ‘bad’  song, since obviously a lot of people liked it well enough for a very good ranking on the Top 100 and pretty decent download sales.

    For any song, I think you have to sell at least 1.5 million songs to be considered a hit these days. I think that maintaining Top 40 on the Hot 100 for a number of weeks is also a good sign. Megahits need to get in the Top 10, though (and not just for one week). I think this is true of any song regardless of who it is released by.

    Thank you. So, in your opinion, if LLWD doesn’t sell at least 1.5 million in downloads and/or maintain a Top 40 rank on the Hot 100 for weeks, then it’s not a ‘hit’ ? Good to know what your standards are.

  125. Also, something I haven’t seen discussed (but might fit here since it touches on Adam’s songwriting which came up in this thread), is how that hi-fi demo album no longer has Adam’s co-writing credits on it. Does this mean that RCA/19 bought back the rights to those songs and might Adam re-record or remix them at some point and release them for us? Since Monte Pittman tweeted that he is learning chord progression for TfM, it makes sense that Adam’s band might perform some of the Citizen Vein stuff on his tour. Perhaps even keep the Citizen Vein name for his tour band if Monte is lead guitarist? Curious as to who owns the name of the band. Adam has said in the past that he wanted a band, not just be a vocalist with random musicians.

  126. fuzzywuzzy: It is still a fact and deserves to be stated. (In other words, don’t purchase stock in Depends undergarments.)

    I’ve read on a Pink fansite that she has NEVER given (sold) one of her songs to be recorded! (Disclaimer: This is just what I’ve seen on a fansite-don’t know that it is accurate, yet!) Does anyone know if this is accurate?

  127. For any song, I think you have to sell at least 1.5 million songs to be considered a hit these days.

    Would someone, in the know, please list the songs for 2009 that fall in this category…and I don’t mean “over time” but while they are still in the top 40 top 40 since that seems to be the barometer that all things are measured to. Thanks.

  128. Tess-Thank you for your answer.

    Adam’s vocals are so beautiful, that should be more than enough talent to expect from one person. I don’t understand why he needs to be a songwriter, too.

  129. Personally I really like I DO Not Hook Up! A great song and Kelly did aweseome with it as I am sure Adam will kill whatever song he has picked as his single. I am excited about the song because he said his single would be a direct contrast to TFM. Something dancy and high energy. I am looking forward to hearing that blasting from my radio.

  130. lucy
    October 27, 2009 at 9:29 am
    I’m pretty sure they try to go for the most radio-friendly thing. When you’re introducing somebody that people never heard before, your main goal is to get them heard. So you need ‘radio friendly’  and ‘earworm,’  mainly. Accessibility is all for the first one because you really really don’t want it to fail at radio or fail to rack up significant sales.

    Often, what’s used for the second track is something that’s still radio friendly but a different kind of song, a bit more ballady, or something, if the first one is very uptempo, for example. At that point, you may be trying to expand your fanbase, show your versatility, etc.

    Thanks, Lucy. I’ve never followed someone from the beginning of their career like this, so I find myself intrigued by the discussions. In the past, a favorite artist came out with a new album and I bought it. ;) I’ve never been a singles person (except when they were 45s and I was 10 years ols LOL) until I got my iPod. And even now, it’s rare that I download a single. I usually want the artist’s whole album and really have never paid any attention to chart rankings.

  131. fuzzywuzzy: It is still a fact and deserves to be stated. (In other words, don’t purchase stock in Depends undergarments.)

    ??? I’m not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree with you. Sorry, I’m not getting the comment about the Depends.

  132. 4Msrmyn
    October 27, 2009 at 9:33 am
    Tess-Thank you for your answer.

    Adam’s vocals are so beautiful, that should be more than enough talent to expect from one person. I don’t understand why he needs to be a songwriter, too.

    4Msrmyn, I’m inclined to agree. My only disclaimer is Adam himself seems excited to be co-writing and so I’m glad he’s having the opportunity to do so on this album. He’s co-written a handful of tracks before with Monte Pittman, his guitarist from the Citizen Vein (most of which I really like) and now apparently had written with Alisan Porter in the past. So if this is something he really aspires to, I hope he fulfills that part of his dream as well. It certainly wouldn’t impact my buying his work – I’m in it for the vocals.

  133. larchcat
    October 27, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Hey Terraj ‘“ I thought I was the only person whose fav Zep was song ‘Into the Light’  ‘“ Cheers! Oh, and to stay on topic, ADAM would totally kill on that as well . . And yes, I get your point. I think its more about total feel of an album whether a track makes it. Doesn’t mean it sucks.

    It’s not my fav Zep song, I think that would be Achilles Last Stand on most days. But you should check out the In the Light outtakes. There are at least 3 versions. I found someone who uploaded it to YouTube (mine are on a bootleg cd, and my fav alternate take is the 1st link below)
    In the Light (alternate version) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YlNLBDxrTE
    In the Morning (version 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCWyinbOmWA
    In the Morning (version 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLtUuD_xrAM

    Sorry, MJ for the little OT-ness!

  134. Does NO ONE want to talk about what he might wear tonight? (I know this is off topic mj, just trying to everyone to lighten up.)

  135. from ali22san ‘Were all hearing the best record to hit the universe in quite a while. Whatever you think your gonna get from @adamlambert. Times a million.’ about 9 hours ago from UberTwitter

    RT @leecherry: Adam’s shit is gonna kick your ass and slap your momma!!

    Not that I don’t believe them.. but these might be drunk tweets. LOL I love Adam, but these tweets made me laugh a bit. I’m always skeptical of any flailing.

  136. I’m not getting the comment about the Depends.

    That’s sarcastic snark directed at moi. Don’t worry about it, it’s not worth it.

    Carry on.

  137. I’m pretty sure they try to go for the most radio-friendly thing. When you’re introducing somebody that people never heard before, your main goal is to get them heard. So you need ‘radio friendly’  and ‘earworm,’  mainly. Accessibility is all for the first one because you really really don’t want it to fail at radio or fail to rack up significant sales.

    Often, what’s used for the second track is something that’s still radio friendly but a different kind of song, a bit more ballady, or something, if the first one is very uptempo, for example. At that point, you may be trying to expand your fanbase, show your versatility, etc.

    ITA, lucy – this was my take as well. Even more important for a “new” artist just being debuted to the general public – the first song, especially if they are aiming to hit the Top 40 stations, should be in the uptempo, dance/pop/electronic vein he has talked about. With a second single being more of a contrast (unless your Britney, in which case you can have a hit with each song being an uptempo pop tune).

  138. I’m pretty sure Alisan has tweeted before about Bill W, so I don’t think she’s drunk tweeting.

    Talented girl, saw her on Broadway in A Chorus Line

  139. For any song, I think you have to sell at least 1.5 million songs to be considered a hit these days. I think that maintaining Top 40 on the Hot 100 for a number of weeks is also a good sign. Megahits need to get in the Top 10, though (and not just for one week). I think this is true of any song regardless of who it is released by

    wow… that’s a tough standard to live up too. Not many songs sell a million copies much less 1.5 million. In looking at the top 50 digital downloads chart from last week it looks like only three songs of the 50 have sold over 1.5 million so I guess most songs are flops.

  140. Thanks Terraj. Won’t comment more b/c it would be OT, but thanks!

  141. ??? I’m not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree with you. Sorry, I’m not getting the comment about the Depends.

    ITA. haha It’s all good!
    The depends comment was not meant to be insulting to you at all, or anyone for that matter. BTW, I didn’t remember who made the original comment or comments about peeing in their pants. That was weeks ago! I just remember a couple of pages of funny, late night snarks on Adam singing a “cover” song from Pink and premature peeing.

    I don’t have that good of a memory-and I’m certainly not going to spend time going to look it up!

  142. The Adam Lambert mention in the interview is HUGE. Like I said yesterday, this collaboration with Gaga has given Adam some IMMEDIATE street cred with the Top 40 DJ’s and now they are looking forward to his first single with some anticipation.

    Very interesting point. I agree – having these connections to big, current artists, and having it spread out beyond our little AI bubble is a great thing! The more other artists talk about Adam like this, the happier I am :-)

  143. 4Msrmyn, I’m inclined to agree. My only disclaimer is Adam himself seems excited to be co-writing and so I’m glad he’s having the opportunity to do so on this album. He’s co-written a handful of tracks before with Monte Pittman, his guitarist from the Citizen Vein (most of which I really like) and now apparently had written with Alisan Porter in the past. So if this is something he really aspires to, I hope he fulfills that part of his dream as well. It certainly wouldn’t impact my buying his work ‘“ I’m in it for the vocals.

    It wouldn’t surprise me with Adam being as glib as he is in interviews that he either is or will be at some point in his career in the least a capable songwriter. It seems he has some background in co-writing, so I can see him enjoying sitting down with someone and cranking out a song, rather than sitting alone and writing.

  144. Would someone, in the know, please list the songs for 2009 that fall in this category’ ¦and I don’t mean ‘over time’  but while they are still in the top 40 top 40 since that seems to be the barometer that all things are measured to.

    I don’t think you have to be in the Top 40 on Top 40. There are lots of other formats. The Hot 100 measures airplay across all formats, sales and streaming to come up with their chart.

    I don’t have a list of all songs that have gone over 1.5 million this year, but here is a list of the songs currently in the Top 50 that have that status.

    2 3 CYRUS*MILEY PARTY IN THE U.S.A. 155670 -5 163276 1824741
    6 6 SEAN*JAY FEAT. LIL WAYNE DOWN 120246 -2 122323 1763125
    9 11 BLACK EYED PEAS I GOTTA FEELING 97136 -8 106027 3432473
    21 20 SWIFT*TAYLOR YOU BELONG WITH ME 52495 -2 53814 2167387
    24 23 KINGS OF LEON USE SOMEBODY 47397 -4 49394 2340089
    36 49 BLACK EYED PEAS BOOM BOOM POW 28876 -13 33349 4295103

    Songs that are close:
    3 4 DERULO*JASON WHATCHA SAY 149855 -1 152050 1239195
    8 7 JAY-Z, RIHANNA & KANYE WEST RUN THIS TOWN 111308 3 108240 1345586
    30 35 COBRA STARSHIP FEAT. LEIGHTON GOOD GIRLS GO BAD 35793 -11 40132 1397867

  145. wow’ ¦ that’s a tough standard to live up too. Not many songs sell a million copies much less 1.5 million. In looking at the top 50 digital downloads chart from last week it looks like only three songs of the 50 have sold over 1.5 million so I guess most songs are flops.

    Not really. A song can be neither a hit nor a flop– just somewhere in between. It’s not an either/or situation.

  146. I’m pretty sure Alisan has tweeted before about Bill W, so I don’t think she’s drunk tweeting.

    Talented girl, saw her on Broadway in A Chorus Line

    Nah.. you are probably right. I think everyone’s ‘over excitement’ of all the tweets last night may be in part due to a natural high of having friends over, releasing her album, listening to a new bunch of songs and maybe getting some good news.

  147. Wikipedia:

    In popular music, a cover version, or simply cover, is a new rendition (performance or recording) of a previously recorded, commercially released song or popular song.

    LLWD = Cover
    WDYWFM = Not a cover

  148. Pretty interesting stats there Kirsten- those are all the songs Adam was up against last week, lol. With the exception of CS, KOL, and TS.

  149. It wouldn’t surprise me with Adam being as glib as he is in interviews that he either is or will be at some point in his career in the least a capable songwriter. It seems he has some background in co-writing, so I can see him enjoying sitting down with someone and cranking out a song, rather than sitting alone and writing.

    Yes- he has always defined himself as a collaborator.

    I wonder if he would say his strong suit is in melody/music or lyrics?
    I’d bet melody. He said he likes to fly by the seat of his pants while singing, and no one would naturally write with such a range in mind, so him there contributing towards melody/harmony in the writing process could be quite beneficial!

    Might need to add that one to the chat questions list!!

  150. I would also like to point out that there is a legal difference between a cover that has actually been released commerically and a song that has been written but unreleased:

    A commerically released song is subject to the compulsory licensing provision of the U.S. copyright code, and therefore as long as the song is not changed substantially, it can be rerecorded by any artist (but not used in any other way, e.g. films, etc.) without permission, whereas an unreleased song, like the Pink song, requires the permission of the songwriters to be recorded and released commerically.

  151. I wasn’t one of those people who were upset by the idea of Adam’s first single being a song composed by Pink and Max Martin. If this is true, then IMO the “pedigree” of this song sure sounds promising, regardless of the path it took to being recorded by Adam. :)

  152. 36 49 BLACK EYED PEAS BOOM BOOM POW 28876 -13 33349 4295103

    Can’t believe that they sold more than 4 million of that song, I think it’s horrible.

  153. “Songwriting” is about the money honey. It’s about how many times you can get paid from each record sale.

    It’s also about technology.

    Once upon a time, writing music required being a musician. Knowing how to read music, write the notes. While there were always a few writers who didn’t know how to do that and had other people chart up their melodies, most songwriters actually knew how to compose. Lyricists wrote words. But they, too, were considered specialized talents.

    People didn’t think that anyone could do it. Until technology made it possible for anyone to create music. It might not be good music, but, voila, it exists. Anyone can press buttons. Anyone can make music.

    Now with ability to sing not even being required, and “hits” being manufactured in the studio, actual musical ability isn’t needed throughout the process. So artists are now song-writers. Anyone can do it.

    Note, certainly throughout music’s history, there has been plenty of fudging about how many times people go down on the contract. So-and-so gets co-writing credit for doing nothing more that allowing someone’s song to be on their album. Someone else hits a cow bell and shakes a tambourine, and, look, percussionist. But technology has changed the definition of everything.

  154. I’ll take a leftover off of Funhouse anyday- that album is brilliant!

  155. Can’t believe that they sold more than 4 million of that song, I think it’s horrible.

    And I always have to remind myself that all these numbers, spins etc. reported here are for the US only. I can’t even imagine what would the numbers be for total sales worldwide?! But I guess it’s impossible to find compiled data like that anywhere.

  156. 36 49 BLACK EYED PEAS BOOM BOOM POW 28876 -13 33349 4295103

    Can’t believe that they sold more than 4 million of that song, I think it’s horrible.

    We should keep this in mind when we’re thinking about “good” songs, lol.

    Over 4 million people just *have* to have this on their Ipods…. Kind of makes “failure” look like perhaps the better option in some ways!

    I really really don’t get this one at all. Can anybody tell me what the appeal is? It doesn’t make me want to dance or anything. It’s kind of aggressive, which could be interesting, but, in this case, I don’t find it so. (but I like my old Public Enemy stuff … I have *that* all over my Ipod…. so I’m not averse to aggression in music. ) I don’t see anything particularly “fun” about it. Truly, I just don’t get it at *all*. And yet it’s a huge “hit.” It’s the kind of song that defines “success” today.

    That being the case, if I were trying to pick out a new artist’s song that would be a “success,” I would have no idea where to even start!

    Anybody want to tell me why?

  157. It seems that the “controversy” raging about whether LLYD or Adam’s potential single is more AI fan generated than reality generated. I don’t listen to a song and automatically wonder, “what’s the provenance?” All I care about is if it suits my taste enough to buy it. The fact that some Kris fans built him up to be a monument to organic singer/songwriters, then he goes and releases a cover did him no favors, when otherwise no one would have cared if LLYD was a cover from a little-known UK band, it was a good song that introduced him to the masses beyond AI.

    In Adam’s case, he is singing a song written by a well-known pop star, which will generate media attention beyond the song itself. P!nk fans will want it, Adam fans will want it, and if it’s a catchy pop song, it should do well on the charts. What makes a hit a hit is subjective, and I don’t think saying XX amount of sales has to be reached by XX date or else the song is automatically a flop. That’s just one person’s opinion. Many of the songs on iTunes top 40 have been there for months, even years, quietly accumulating sales.

  158. I’ll take a leftover off of Funhouse anyday- that album is brilliant!

    Me too!!! Couldn’t agree more. Bring it ON!

    Personally, I’m pinching myself given how much I enjoy GaGa, love P!nk, and admire many of Rob Cavallo’s works. Instant happiness, just add Adam. Talk about icing and cakes. Can’t wait for a taste~ :-)

  159. Valentin- I hated BoomBoomPow too until I heard BEP sing it live. Boom Boom Pow always reminded me of a name of a Chinese dinner, but there is just something about that band when they perform- they can really get a crowd going. They did the Steelers opener preshow and they had that crowd going NUTS!

  160. I’ll take a leftover off of Funhouse anyday- that album is brilliant!

    Studio57- Yesss! I love Pink and I am thrilled Adam gets to sing one of her songs!

  161. I don’t care whose song it is (until the original version leaks, then it would suck for Adam), I just hope it’s a good one and it will suit him. Pink and Adam are very different artists, with VERY different voice and attitude – I hope it won’t be a mess for Adam, coz he’s such a good polite boy in interviews ;) and I just don’t see him mock someone or have Pink’s attitude in a song :)

    And one more thing – I don’t believe people praising Adam… There was such a hype about Time For Miracles. Brian May and some other people were saying it’s the best song they have heard… Everyone (including me) was expecting a song with the impact of Aerosmith “I Don’t Want To Miss A Thing”… meanwhile Time For Miracles is a cheesy mediocre POP song …

    Right now I lowered my expectations. I hope for at least decent albums from Kris, Allison and Adam

  162. A commerically released song is subject to the compulsory licensing provision of the U.S. copyright code, and therefore as long as the song is not changed substantially, it can be rerecorded by any artist (but not used in any other way, e.g. films, etc.) without permission, whereas an unreleased song, like the Pink song, requires the permission of the songwriters to be recorded and released commerically.

    Thanks for that information. I had expected that Pink would need to approve of any artist who would want to record an unreleased song of hers. She must think fairly highly of Adam to have allowed him to record this song.

    And one more thing ‘“ I don’t believe people praising Adam’ ¦ There was such a hype about Time For Miracles. Brian May and some other people were saying it’s the best song they have heard’ ¦ Everyone (including me) was expecting a song with the impact of Aerosmith ‘I Don’t Want To Miss A Thing’ ’ ¦ meanwhile Time For Miracles is a cheesy mediocre POP song ‘ ¦

    It’s hard to know how sincere anyone is being in comments made about this sort of thing. I think that Brian May, Meatloaf and Rob Cavallo are being honest in their praise, but that doesn’t necessarily mean universal agreement from the general public. Also, I don’t recall that the OTT comments were being made so much about the song, but more about Adam’s vocal abilities while singing this song.

  163. FifthHouseSun absolutely no snark here when I say this. What is your point? Songwriting is where the $$ are at or that anyone with a little bit of talent can be both a songwriter and someone with no vocal skill can be a superstar? I think you have a good argument, but I’m not exactly following. I think I need a 3rd cup of coffee to be honest. Can you dumb it down for me or did I get it? :)

  164. I really really don’t get this one at all. Can anybody tell me what the appeal is?

    LOL I have no idea. It is catchy, bouncy and a little fun. I’ve heard from some that their (small) kids adore it. :-) If I had to guess though, it was the first single released from the “big return” of the BEPs. I was interested to hear from Will.i.am and Fergie again myself. Not enough to pay for any of it yet, but interested…

  165. I’ll take a leftover off of Funhouse anyday- that album is brilliant!

    it beats a left over from an album that no one ever heard of that’s for sure.

    On a side note… anyone thinking of downloading Alisan’s CD should DO IT.. it’s really really good. Her voice is amazing.

    And one more thing ‘“ I don’t believe people praising Adam’ ¦ There was such a hype about Time For Miracles. Brian May and some other people were saying it’s the best song they have heard’ ¦ Everyone (including me) was expecting a song with the impact of Aerosmith ‘I Don’t Want To Miss A Thing’ ’ ¦ meanwhile Time For Miracles is a cheesy mediocre POP song ‘ ¦

    In your opinion you mean? I love TFM and think it’s exactly what those who praised it said it is… brilliant power ballad for a disaster movie where Adam’s voice just kills.

  166. ali22san

    1. fyi my track “NEVER EASY” was written by me and @adamlambert……forever ago….who would have thought.about 3 hours ago from web
    2. We did it. Goodight I love you, I believe all your prayers worked. You are all sweet beams of light and u get it. I’m humbled.about 4 hours ago from UberTwitter
    3. RT @adamlambert: @ali22san: Cdbaby.com/cd/alisanporter. My girls music.about 4 hours ago from UberTwitter

    I’m just so happy for them. I think she was talking to Adam in ‘I believe all your prayers worked’ and I believe they had start praying forever ago, and finally they’re seeing some light after a long long tunnel.

  167. I’ll take a leftover off of Funhouse anyday- that album is brilliant!

    ITA! Pink’s reconciliation with her husband might have given Adam his first single. I’ll take it!

    FHS: I’m not following you either. Is your post hinting that “co-writes” aren’t REALLY about writing music? I wonder what parts Kris wrote in his 7 songs that are co-writes? Will we ever really know if it was one line ,a little change in the melody or all of the lyrics?

  168. Wikipedia:

    In popular music, a cover version, or simply cover, is a new rendition (performance or recording) of a previously recorded, commercially released song or popular song.

    LLWD = Cover
    WDYWFM = Not a cover

    How, exactly, under this definition, is WDYWFM not a cover? It was previously recorded and listed on the album’s original tracklisting? Maybe “or” doesn’t mean what I think it means anymore. Whatever, it doesn’t matter. There is nothing wrong with singing a cover. There wasn’t when LLWD was released, and there isn’t now. Only people who are looking for a reason to tear someone down would make any kind of big deal out of it. No one outside of the Idol bubble ever cared in the case of LLWD, and they won’t care about this song either.

    Kris has 8 co-writes and one solo write out on his CD. I don’t think his singer-songwriter cred has been called into question by anyone that matters just because he sang a song that someone else wrote and released as a b-side. Adam never had any cred as a songwriter anyway, so who cares.

    For LLWD, The Script wrote a great song that didn’t get included on the album, but that they liked so much they got it out there as a B-side that ended up doing pretty well in Europe. They submitted it for use by an artist who they thought would do a great job vocally on it. He picked it and now, their song is out there, being praised by critics as a great single. Sounds like a win for everyone involved. In the case of this Pink song, she and Max Martin wrote what sounds like a good song, but they didn’t end up using it on the album, so, just like The Script did, they submitted it for use by an artist they thought would do a good job on it.

    The tired old arguments that were thrown at Kris about how LLWD was clearly a bad song and that’s why it was only a B-side could just as easily be thrown at Adam about how this song was so bad that it was just an album leftover. But, those are silly arguments that always failed to recognize the myriad reasons why a really good song might end up as a B-side or an album leftover.

    The only thing that seems different in Kris’s situation is that his single had to be chosen sooner when he was still in the writing/recording process, and since LLWD had been recorded so early on, it made more sense as to why they would choose THAT song to be his first single, whereas with Adam, it seems like all his songs have been recorded, and they could pick any song off the album to be the single. One can only speculate as to the reasons, though.

  169. I believe this Pink song single is a brilliant move. Pink is a tremendous artist and the fact that she wrote this song gives Adam tremendous “cred” as well as the Gaga collaboration in the media and with Gaga and Pink fans. Also, Pink wrote this with Max Martin, can I say “hit maker”.

  170. LOL I have no idea. It is catchy, bouncy and a little fun. I’ve heard from some that their (small) kids adore it. :-) If I had to guess though, it was the first single released from the ‘big return’  of the BEPs. I was interested to hear from Will.i.am and Fergie again myself. Not enough to pay for any of it yet, but interested’ ¦

    Darn good point. I was interested in the return too — But I sure didn’t want to buy this song! Makes sense that a lot of the buying came from excitement over their being back, though. It *was* exciting to have them back, plus there was a lot a lot a lot of hype of it. That’s probably quite a bit of the explanation. … In other words — not much to do with the song at all!

    Hilarious about little kids liking it. It is an earworm. I’ll give it that. But, as Noel Coward might say, “you’d think it would take a little more than that to earn a living wage.” … But apparently not, under the right circumstances!

  171. FifthHouseSun-That’s the kind of answer I was looking for, thanks. I think I understand. I’m just old, because it feels all kinds of backwards. This new fangled world confuses me.

  172. So, it sounds as if the listening party was at Adam’s new (rented?) house and apparently Cheeks and his roommate were there.

    The roommate tweeted:

    # just listened to adam lamberts new tracks at his fab new how…..holy shit..so inspired!!!!!about 6 hours ago from web

  173. How, exactly, under this definition, is WDYWFM not a cover? It was previously recorded and listed on the album’s original tracklisting?

    No, I don’t believe it was ever recorded.

    And the only track listing it appears on is that terminally fucked up Tower Records one that is wrong on many counts.

  174. I really really don’t get this one at all. Can anybody tell me what the appeal is?

    LOL I have no idea. It is catchy, bouncy and a little fun. I’ve heard from some that their (small) kids adore it. If I had to guess though, it was the first single released from the ‘big return’  of the BEPs.

    LOL! Ok – I’m admitting it – I like Boom Boom Pow! It is a great great dance/club song – and to hear such an infectuously, beat driven song that is clearly meant more for clubs on the radio all the time – it’s like there’s a party in your car ;-)

    In popular music, a cover version, or simply cover, is a new rendition (performance or recording) of a previously recorded, commercially released song or popular song.

    LLWD = Cover
    WDYWFM = Not a cover

    How, exactly, under this definition, is WDYWFM not a cover? It was previously recorded and listed on the album’s original tracklisting?

    Uh, because WDYWFM was never released commercially as a song before (see original definition).

  175. LLWD = Cover
    WDYWFM = Not a cover

    How, exactly, under this definition, is WDYWFM not a cover? It was previously recorded and listed on the album’s original tracklisting?

    I don’t really care if a song is a cover or not. But let’s get the fact straight. Pink never recorded WDYWFM or released it. It’s on Pink’s album song list in one website which messes up all the snippets and doesn’t have much cred in that matter.

    For LLWD, The Script wrote a great song that didn’t get included on the album, but that they liked so much they got it out there as a B-side that ended up doing pretty well in Europe. They submitted it for use by an artist who they thought would do a great job vocally on it. He picked it and now, their song is out there, being praised by critics as a great single. Sounds like a win for everyone involved.

    I like your positive thinking.

  176. You don’t BELIEVE it was ever recorded? Sorry, a song wouldn’t end up on an album tracklisting if it wasn’t at least recorded. But who cares? The only reason so many people are tripping over themselves to try to parse the definition of cover now is because they made such a big deal out of nothing over Kris having LLWD as his first single. In the real music world that exists outside the AI bubble, nobody ever cared about LLWD being a “cover,” and nobody will care about Adam’s single being a “cover.”

  177. How, exactly, under this definition, is WDYWFM not a cover? It was previously recorded and listed on the album’s original tracklisting?

    It wasn’t released. Not a cover.

  178. How, exactly, under this definition, is WDYWFM not a cover? It was previously recorded and listed on the album’s original tracklisting?

    It has to be not only “previously recorded” but also “commercially released.” Almost every song has been recorded on a demo by the songwriter before it is recorded on an actual album, but that does not make every song a cover!

  179. The only reason so many people are tripping over themselves to try to parse the definition of cover now is because they made such a big deal out of nothing over Kris having LLWD as his first single.

    Actually I saw people using that same definition to show that LLWD is a cover. So the definition has always been the same, no parsing involved.

  180. You gotta sing what they’re buying (humming LLWD).

    This is not my original composition. This is a cover.

  181. Does a song make the singer or does the singer make the song? There are some songs that are so identifiable with a singer or band that no one can can even begin to record a cover…it would be laughable to the extreme. And then there are marvelous songs that just lend themselves to all kinds of interpretation, and no matter how many covers the song stands on its own.

    Ironically, we see this over and over on American Idol. As the Idols sing their covers it becomes easier to identify which songs, when sung well have legs of their own. And conversely their are songs that tend to bring down many an idol.

    And once in a great while, a voice rises up that has the ability to take songs that are completely identified with someone else and to embrace that song and redifine it (even though its a cover/song written for someone else) and to make people forget the original artist. And we saw this phenomenon a few times with a few different idols the past few seasons. I am sure many of us have watched enough TV to identify a song recently recorded as an Idol cover that is doing well outside the bubble.

    So, I personally think any argument about the “history” of a song is pretty irrelevant. An artist’s voice should sell the song, or the inability of that voice to wrap itself around the song may ’cause it to stumble and maybe fail.

  182. So much agita over the provenance of LLWD and WDYWFM…who cares? Don’t forget, artists — including Adam and Kris — write and record twice as many songs as are needed for any given album. Some wind up on future albums, some are shopped around to other artists, some are put in a drawer and some are thrown in the trash heap….it may very well be that one of the songs co-written by Adam or Kris but not on their respective albums winds up on someone else’s album. I doubt we will be referring to it as a “scrap”! We will be saying, Oh, what a great song, it just wasn’t right for Kris/Adam’s album etc. etc.

  183. The only thing that seems different in Kris’s situation is that his single had to be chosen sooner when he was still in the writing/recording process, and since LLWD had been recorded so early on, it made more sense as to why they would choose THAT song to be his first single, whereas with Adam, it seems like all his songs have been recorded, and they could pick any song off the album to be the single. One can only speculate as to the reasons, though.

    Good point. With both the earlier release date for Kris, plus the specific release strategy employed by Jive vs RCA, Kris may have been in a difficult position of having to choose from a smaller batch of songs, without having even recorded or finalized all the possible song candidates. That may be why some have thought Can’t Stay Away may have been an even stronger first single (and this just based on what we’ve heard of his songs so far). Just some thoughts.

  184. You don’t BELIEVE it was ever recorded? Sorry, a song wouldn’t end up on an album tracklisting if it wasn’t at least recorded. But who cares? The only reason so many people are tripping over themselves to try to parse the definition of cover now is because they made such a big deal out of nothing over Kris having LLWD as his first single. In the real music world that exists outside the AI bubble, nobody ever cared about LLWD being a ‘cover,’  and nobody will care about Adam’s single being a ‘cover.’ 

    The tracklisting you cited is not reliable because it messes up the snippets and the listing. Using an unreliable source as an evidence to support your argument won’t help convince others.

    But I have to agree with you that nobody cares if LLWD being a cover. That song doesn’t sell because the song sucks, cover or not.

  185. Wikipedia:

    In popular music, a cover version, or simply cover, is a new rendition (performance or recording) of a previously recorded, commercially released song or popular song.

    LLWD = Cover
    WDYWFM = Not a cover

    How, exactly, under this definition, is WDYWFM not a cover? It was previously recorded and listed on the album’s original tracklisting? Maybe ‘or’  doesn’t mean what I think it means anymore.

    I believe that the bolded part of the description pertains to the difference. LLWD was commercially released, whereas WDYWFM was not. Therefore, LLWD is a cover and WDYWFM is not.

    It has to be not only ‘previously recorded’ but also ‘commercially released.’  Almost every song has been recorded on a demo by the songwriter before it is recorded on an actual album, but that does not make every song a cover!

    Exactly.

  186. The Pink song is not a cover. Pretty cut-and-dry; it was never commercially released and is on no Pink album, B-side, whatever.

  187. Exactly, mmb. Exactly. There are all sorts of reasons why a written and recorded song might not be chosen for the final album tracklist–many of which have nothing to do with the quality of the song.

    And maybe whoever wrote that Wikipedia entry just has bad grammar, but, the way I read it, they are saying that a song is a cover if it was previously recorded or commercially released or popular. Whatever, as has been said many times, it DOES NOT MATTER. Never did for LLWD. Won’t for this one.

  188. But I have to agree with you that nobody cares if LLWD being a cover. That song doesn’t sell because the song sucks, cover or not.

    Yep, it sucks so bad that it continues to climb the radio charts, and got very good reviews by Rolling Stone, Billboard, and Entertainment Weekly.

  189. The only reason so many people are tripping over themselves to try to parse the definition of cover now is because they made such a big deal out of nothing over Kris having LLWD as his first single.

    I believe that the big deal about Kris singing a cover for his single was that his fans sold him as an organic songwriter musician, and that he was going to write all the songs in his album . Not that recording a cover is something bad.

  190. You gotta sing what they’re buying (humming LLWD).

    This is not my original composition. This is a cover.

    Ha! “Sing what They’re Buying” is mine. Copyrighted in September. Feel free to cover it, but you’ll owe me royalities.

  191. Will we ever really know if it was one line ,a little change in the melody or all of the lyrics?

    I’m not speaking for FHS, but I think that her point is that being a “co-composer” or, for that matter, a “singer”, these days doesn’t necessarily require the level of musical ability/talent that it once may have required, because technology has opened up the area of “composing” and even “singing” (at least on recordings) to a wider range of people, some of whom have less ability/talent than would previously have allowed them to be “successful”.

  192. If Adam’s first single was anything like “Boom Boom Pow” I would be extremely happy. Besides the fact it sold like crazy, it is a very good song for its genre, it has:

    1 – an incredible hook for its chorus “boom boom pow”
    2 – just listening to it makes you want to get up and move
    3 – it uses current technology (autotune for instance) to emphasis the songs elements (it is about the future) and not hide the singers’ voices, it is electro-pop.
    4 – It has got a killer music video
    5 – The words are fun, “I’m all three thousand and eight, you’re so two thousand and late” that is just fun.

    This is exactly the kind of song Adam has said he wants his first single to be. I’ve listened to it twice already this morning and I am old.

  193. LLWD was commercially released, whereas WDYWFM was not. Therefore, LLWD is a cover and WDYWFM is not.

    Correct, WDYWFM is not a cover. For a song to be a cover it MUST be a redo/rerelease of a song that has been commercially released for “public consumption”. If every song that has been recorded by one artist (not released) and then recorded and released by another artist was called a cover than atleast 25% of commercially released music today could be considered a cover. Many artists provide demo tapes of their songs (along with sheet music) for consideration by the artist. If chosen, recorded and released are those covers too?

  194. I didn’t remember who made the original comment or comments about peeing in their pants.

    LOL. Sure you don’t

    Boy, by the looks of the posts this morning, I can tell today is going to be another fun day.

  195. Wikipedia:

    In popular music, a cover version, or simply cover, is a new rendition (performance or recording) of a previously recorded, commercially released song or popular song.

    LLWD = Cover
    WDYWFM = Not a cover

    How, exactly, under this definition, is WDYWFM not a cover? It was previously recorded and listed on the album’s original tracklisting? Maybe ‘or’  doesn’t mean what I think it means anymore.

    No, I think “or” means what you think it means. It’s just that the rest of your sentence deconstruction is off. I’ve bolded the descriptive words (adjectives) that modify the noun “song.” It’s one or the other; either/or. This is not a “previously recorded, commercially released” song, nor is it a popular song like the Star Spangled Banner.

    You can call this Pink song a leftover if you want, but it’s not a cover. Just isn’t, at least based on what we know.

    I agree with most of the rest of your post though. I like LLWD. It has been praised by the critics (deservedly so). I’m puzzled that it’s not doing better and I’m hoping with more radio spins it will.

  196. The words are fun, ‘I’m all three thousand and eight, you’re so two thousand and late’  that is just fun.

    LOL – Best. Lyric. Ever.

  197. I’m not speaking for FHS, but I think that her point is that being a ‘co-composer’  or, for that matter, a ‘singer’ , these days doesn’t necessarily require the level of musical ability/talent that it once may have required, because technology has opened up the area of ‘composing’  and even ‘singing’  (at least on recordings) to a wider range of people, some of whom have less ability/talent than would previously have allowed them to be ‘successful’ .

    Thanks for clarifying. That is what I took from it, but since I have a cold hangover & in need of more coffee, I didn’t know if I read it correctly.

  198. And maybe whoever wrote that Wikipedia entry just has bad grammar

    No, the comma in “previously recorded, commercially released” just takes the place of the word “and.” It’s perfectly acceptable grammar.

  199. I believe that the big deal about Kris singing a cover for his single was that his fans sold him as an organic songwriter musician, and that he was going to write all the songs in his album . Not that recording a cover is something bad.

    I think the OTHER thing that irked some was that Kris’s version was almost exactly the same as The Scripts – and yet on idol one of his trademarks was taking songs and drastically, often brilliantly, rearranging them.

  200. I think the OTHER thing that irked some was that Kris’s version was almost exactly the same as The Scripts

    That wasn’t the “other” thing that bothered me about it, it was pretty much the only thing.

  201. If Adam’s first single was anything like ‘Boom Boom Pow’  I would be extremely happy. Besides the fact it sold like crazy, it is a very good song for its genre, it has:

    1 ‘“ an incredible hook for its chorus ‘boom boom pow’ 
    2 ‘“ just listening to it makes you want to get up and move
    3 ‘“ it uses current technology (autotune for instance) to emphasis the songs elements (it is about the future) and not hide the singers’ voices, it is electro-pop.
    4 ‘“ It has got a killer music video
    5 ‘“ The words are fun, ‘I’m all three thousand and eight, you’re so two thousand and late’  that is just fun.

    This is exactly the kind of song Adam has said he wants his first single to be. I’ve listened to it twice already this morning and I am old.

    Yep, you’re right.

    For me, this kind of song bores me stiff unless I’m actually in a position to be dancing, though! So when I think about loading it onto my Ipod — to listen to when I’m on the subway or walking to work — I think, Crap, why would anybody do that??? But, as you point out, for its genre, it is catchy as heck.

    Based on the sales of Boom Boom Pow (and I’ll have the Pu Pu Platter with that, please), I guess I’m the only person who doesn’t want pure dance music on my Ipod — I would look way silly dancing on the Metro platform, so I prefer to listen at those times and hear songs like this only at a party! And Boom Boom Pow — for me, just too boring to be a “listening” song.

    … So I guess I’m hoping that Adam puts out something dance-y and beat-driven, but with a *little* bit of something else in there (like melody or a lyric or a vocal or instrumental flourish or something else … for me!) But if he doesn’t, and gets big sales for his first single, I’m fine with that, too. … On the other hand, if it’s the Pink song, it *is* going to have that “something else,” most likely, I think.

  202. LOL. Sure you don’t

    LOL. If you haven’t noticed, I try not to tip-toe around people or kiss ass. I’m pretty straight forward. What in my posts over the past months makes you think I would make something up to kiss ass? Not going to happen. I mean what I say-as many others do around here also. I may snark on some things, but if I say I don’t remember the original poster out of the thousands upon thousands of posts I’ve read over the past few weeks-I mean it.

  203. No judgment…no excuses..nada…just information.

    An artist will lay down a trak (and for those of you who live in the non musical world you may look at is as record) often with minimal accompaniment. Then a producer “fills” out the song, overlaying traks, adding back-up singers, etc. Which, because you have to, to hear it this is also recorded. Now Adam has done all or a portion of this about 25 times for his album. So now you take these 25 traks (recorded) and play a game of pick and choose, assigning them status as “being on the album or not”. The 12 you like are then “pressed” onto a CD and released for distribution.

    The other 13 are then destroyed (highly unlikely…all of this stuff costs a lot of money), vaulted for future use, or returned to the “owner/songwriter” for redistribution to another artist. Unless the songs were pressed onto a CD, distributed for sale through I-tunes etc., or sung for an audience they have never been “recorded for distribution”. If they are then sold to another artist the process starts all over agin and the song is an “original” for all intents and purposes.

  204. Does anyone remember Adam’s tweet to Pink a while back: “Pink, I Adore You”. I always wondered why he tweeted that out of the blue. I think we know why now.

  205. If Adam’s first single was anything like ‘Boom Boom Pow’  I would be extremely happy. Besides the fact it sold like crazy, it is a very good song for its genre

    ITA. If he is going the electronic/dance route for at least the first track, going more in this vein would be very wise. Get a good hook, a hot beat, some solid production, and of course killer vocals (check), and it hardly has to be the most brilliant profound thing ever (in fact, it probably shouldn’t be to do well on the pop charts).

  206. Any news from Aimee Mayo? I’ll be sad if her song didn’t make it.

    I want to hear the Gaga song!

  207. I guess we are to surmise from Aimee’s silence that her song didn’t make the cut? She seems pretty friendly with Ferras, so I would guess she has, at least, gotten a track list from him.

  208. What in my posts over the past months makes you think I would make something up to kiss ass?

    It’s surprising that you wouldn’t remember that I said it, because of the furor it caused in some quarters. But hey, if you don’t remember you don’t remember, and I apologize.

    But, it sucks for newbies to have to navigate around inside jokes they don’t understand. It’s not very welcoming.

  209. I thought peeps reactions differed between Kris/LLWD and Adam/WDYWFM because — aside from it being a cover and WDYWFM isn’t — Kris has been lauded as the artist/musician of the two. (I think they both are artists, but from the discussions, not everyone agrees IIRC.) To me, Kris releasing a straight recording of a previously recorded song IS ironic and a little bit sad. My instincts tell me that, had he known or had his choice, he wouldn’t have.

  210. I believe that the big deal about Kris singing a cover for his single was that his fans sold him as an organic songwriter musician, and that he was going to write all the songs in his album .

    He really is a singer and a songwriter. No one needs to “sell” him as one. I don’t think anybody thought he would write all of the songs on his album, but he did co-write nine of them.

  211. Why does anybody care if a song was an unreleased track as opposed to a cover of an obscure song? Twin sons of different mothers and completely irrelevant to the average listener.

    It’s deja vu all over again, Light On 2.0.

  212. I guess we are to surmise from Aimee’s silence that her song didn’t make the cut? She seems pretty friendly with Ferras, so I would guess she has, at least, gotten a track list from him.

    Oh, man! All these people now KNOW Adam’s tracklist, and have even heard the songs! Those tweets last night were insane – and just killing me with anticipation!

    I also hope Aimee makes it (still not 100% sure, of course). But I originally expected her song to be one of the more ballady ones on the album, so if it’s uptempo, and with Pink and Gaga uptempo songs already in it (probably), maybe it just couldn’t find a place. But that would suck.

  213. It’s deja vu all over again, Light On 2.0.

    My reaction exactly, only you were much more succinct when expressing yourself. :-)

  214. Eh, if the passive/aggressive girl from ONTD_AI had never released her recording of her interview with Adam where she put Adam down because Kris was writing all of the songs on his album and playing instruments on all his songs and Adam was just a singer, as well as other digs at him throughout the interview, it might not have been such a big deal. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with LLWD being a cover. It surprised me after I heard the youtube sync from that Script fan that Kris hadn’t changed it, but I’d never heard the song before so it didn’t really matter. It’s not my type of song, but I bought it anyway to support Kris. At the time, I thought it was cool to support all these guys.

  215. At the time, I thought it was cool to support all these guys.

    Dang, I sure hope you got over that, girl! :-)

    I happen to like Kris, Adam, and Allison, call me crazy. But if I don’t like the music, I’m probably not going to buy it. I spend too much $$ on music as it is… Free daily downloads from Amazon, otoh… no, I still have to like those too. I’m hard like that.

  216. Eh, if the passive/aggressive girl from ONTD_AI had never released her recording of her interview with Adam where she put Adam down because Kris was writing all of the songs on his album and playing instruments on all his songs and Adam was just a singer, as well as other digs at him throughout the interview, it might not have been such a big deal.

    totally agree! Besides, during the last couple of weeks of the show, all we heard from kris fan’s was that he was a true musician and Adam was not. That too, made it a big deal for the AI world.

  217. It’s not my type of song, but I bought it anyway to support Kris. At the time, I thought it was cool to support all these guys.

    An interesting attitude. I have never nor will never spend a dime on a single that I don’t enjoy, no matter who the singer is.

  218. By the way, my contact asked 19 about the single, and here was the reply:

    ‘We have not announced Adam’s single yet.’ 

  219. By the way, my contact asked 19 about the single, and here was the reply:

    ‘We have not announced Adam’s single yet.’ 

    Thanks MJ

    An interesting attitude. I have never nor will never spend a dime on a single that I don’t enjoy, no matter who the singer is.

    I have, and not just in the idol world.

  220. totally agree! Besides, during the last couple of weeks of the show, all we heard from kris fan’s was that he was a true musician and Adam was not.

    Nobody likes generalizations right? Saying all Kris fans think this is a generalization. Like saying Adam fans = Claymates.

    If a handful of people hold an opinion, I’m not sure what that has to do with anything.

  221. I think the OTHER thing that irked some was that Kris’s version was almost exactly the same as The Scripts

    That wasn’t the ‘other’  thing that bothered me about it, it was pretty much the only thing.

    No Kris spin was added.

  222. CindyM and aaladam, I could understand that behavior if the people involved were 12-13 years of age.

  223. fuzzywuzzy
    October 27, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    An interesting attitude. I have never nor will never spend a dime on a single that I don’t enjoy, no matter who the singer is.

    Eh, it was $1.29, 1/4 of what I pay for my venti white chocolate mocha from Starbucks. Kris provided me with some entertainment during Idol. He wasn’t my favorite, but I liked what he did with Falling Slowly, To Make You Feel My Love and Ain’t No Sunshine. He seemed like a cool guy and I’d like to see them all succeed, they have a hard road ahead of them. So, yeah, $1.29 wasn’t a big sacrifice.

  224. Eh, it was $1.29, 1/4 of what I pay for my venti white chocolate mocha from Starbucks.

    If I pay upwards of $5 for a drink, it had better have some alcohol in it, and not just sugar alcohol! :-)

    But, OT, Kris thanks you for his $.09. How many more will he need to sell to afford your venti white choco mocha?

    P.S. This is all in jest, not judgment, and my expression of my own drinking choices, btw. No offense intended. Ever.

  225. But, it sucks for newbies to have to navigate around inside jokes they don’t understand. It’s not very welcoming.

    I can understand this and will watch the inside jokes. However, inside jokes or comments seem to be par for the course around here. It took me a couple of months to figure out what was going on around this site.
    Last night, there was some discussion concerning Cook and Adam that I never did get. (but several “haha-it’s an inside DO thing” comments were made) In fact, just this morning I had to get an interpretation of one of Kristen’s posts on LLWD. Yesterday in the Adam thread we were to interpret the looks on the faces of women and men at the offices of RS and I guess surmize that Archie was gay. I kept asking if I had missed something.
    Actually, this whole cover discussion would be confusing to a newbie. They might not know that Kris’ first single was a cover and that it was discussed everywhere. I guess I look at the premature peeing joke as more of an inside joke here than one that was started somewhere else and brought over. What to post or not to post is very confusing sometimes. But, I will watch the inside jokes.

  226. I believe that the big deal about Kris singing a cover for his single was that his fans sold him as an organic songwriter musician, and that he was going to write all the songs in his album . Not that recording a cover is something bad

    Well, neither Kris nor his music should be held responsible for the hyperbole of a few of his fans. There is no group of fans in the world all of the same mind (although some of those AI fansites would attempt to convince you otherwise). It is impossible to generalize fan opinions. Especially considering the fact that the majority of an AI contestants fans probably don’t visit any of the boards and have not yet been able to weigh in.

    And, all of this “cover” talk is just not relevant in the real world. Most of the people being exposed to Kris’s song for the first time will have never heard of the Script, nor will they ever likely be aware of who wrote the song, unless it wins a Grammy or something.

    People outside of the bubble will judge Kris & Adam’s songs based on how they sound to them. They’ll buy or not buy based on whether they like it, not on who wrote it, or who may have performed it before.

  227. An interesting attitude. I have never nor will never spend a dime on a single that I don’t enjoy, no matter who the singer is.

    Well, good for you.

    I don’t think it’s necessary for anyone here to have to defend their record buying habits. It’s personal.

  228. Why does anybody care if a song was an unreleased track as opposed to a cover of an obscure song?

    My feeling is that Adam should not be seen as being in anyone’s shadow.

  229. auntieaimee
    October 27, 2009 at 12:12 pm
    CindyM and aaladam, I could understand that behavior if the people involved were 12-13 years of age.

    Why? People get up in arms about crazy shit here every day, it’s the nature of the beast. Adam says a wrong word in an interview people pounce. Kris says a wrong word in an interview people pounce. What’s the difference? Besides, on the internet, those who are probably 42 could pretend they’re 12 and those that are 12 are prolly pretending to be 42 (well, early 20’s more likely). It’s the internet, a place where inner 12 year olds sometimes like to hang out.

  230. I happen to like Kris, Adam, and Allison, call me crazy. But if I don’t like the music, I’m probably not going to buy it. I spend too much $$ on music as it is’ ¦ Free daily downloads from Amazon, otoh’ ¦ no, I still have to like those too. I’m hard like that.

    Yep. Me too. I like Kris, Allison, Matt, heck, most of the top 10 (if not all), enjoyed them on tour, etc. but will not buy their music unless I like it. I didn’t like LLWD enough to want to buy it, I probs won’t buy FIBOU. Heck, maybe Adam will surprise me and I won’t bother buying his either ;-) Ok, can’t really see that happening. (I did buy TFM – and I really really love it). But I’m not into buying songs just out of pity or support.

    Then again, I also tend to be the kind of idol fan who loves one, and is more or less ambivalent about everyone else (happened S5, S7, and now in S8).

  231. condom question is up

    Well, thank god we have REAL news fianlly (rolls eyes). And yes, the answer is bordering on TMI, even for this OTT Adam fan ;-)

  232. It took me a couple of months to figure out what was going on around this site.

    You shouldn’t have been put in that position.

    Last night, there was some discussion concerning Cook and Adam that I never did get. (but several ‘haha-it’s an inside DO thing’  comments were made)

    Yeah, I’ve asked the DC fans to keep their inside jokes at DO. I deleted a pile of posts in a cook thread last night for similar reasons. It’s a problem that’s hard to address with the hundreds of posts I get here a day.

    Many of the complaints I get through email are from posters who hate the insidery stuff. And many of those posters aren’t fans of the other guy.

  233. Well, good for you.

    I don’t think it’s necessary for anyone here to have to defend their record buying habits. It’s personal. Peeps are welcome to their own perspective without having to endure judgements from others.

    Just as opinions of music and releases are given from the poster’s own perspective. But that doesn’t stop others from making judgments on them.

    edit : you are totally missing my point. I’m asking people to respect other’s opinions, and not to judge others

  234. May I please have a recap, you guys? It’s busy at work today. No single release? Nothing from Alisan Porter or Ferras or Aimee or Ely? Glad I didn’t stay up, but still….

  235. As already established, not a cover. Also, Pink is popular in the States, so I say, yippee-ki-yay with a Pink-penned single, that’s only going to help him that a well-known artist is behind his first single. Same if it’d been the Gaga song (wish it had been!). On the other hand, since The Script aren’t well-known here, it didn’t give Kris any extra boost, which sucks…but maybe good? Since the song’s a carbon copy anyway?

  236. washpd- Are you new here? I have never seen you or bench on here before today. If so, Welcome! I am glad we have some new Adam fans that are concerned about him, but let me reassure you: WDYWFM is not a cover.

  237. He really is a singer and a songwriter. No one needs to ‘sell’  him as one. I don’t think anybody thought he would write all of the songs on his album, but he did co-write nine of them.

    I’m bored with the singer-songwriter argument because it’s been one huge mess of misinformation and falsehoods after another. Yes, by definition, a singer-songwriter is someone who composes and records his own music. However, it is now also considered a genre, and for the purposes of American Idol, Kris was tossed into the GENRE of singer-songwriter. (Much like Brooke and Jason last season.) The style is accoustic and lyric-driven. The music is soft pop, the lyrics tell a story, and the performance is low-key, down-beat. THAT is why Kris is called singer-songwriter. It’s based on genre, not on his abillity to compose a great hook. He has yet to prove himself in that regard. You certainly can’t use a show like American Idol to identify that skill.

    As for Adam, I don’t care who wrote his song, as long as it’s a good one. Since Pink and Gaga have dominated the charts this year, I’ll take what either of them has to offer for a first single.

    BTW, is this the same DJ from Cinci who leaked the snippet of Kris’ LLWD?

  238. What’s TMI about the answer? Gives brand and type. And as for underwear, I would have pegged him for a boxer brief guy myself.

    Just ewwww……..I don’t need celebrities to be telling me that kind of info. It is TMI. If I needed to know that kind of stuff I’d ask a friend and not a celebrity I don’t even know.

  239. What’s TMI about the answer? Gives brand and type. And as for underwear, I would have pegged him for a boxer brief guy myself.

    Just ewwww’ ¦’ ¦..I don’t need celebrities to be telling me that kind of info. It is TMI. If I needed to know that kind of stuff I’d ask a friend and not a celebrity I don’t even know.

    Being of an older generation myself I understand.
    I do, however, think it is important for the younger generation to see that it is ok to talk about these things and, more importantly, that even sexy beasts have safe sex.
    I can get past it for the greater good- it is a good Public Service Announcement.

  240. Last night, there was some discussion concerning Cook and Adam that I never did get. (but several ‘haha-it’s an inside DO thing’  comments were made)

    Yeah, I’ve asked those peeps to keep their inside jokes at DO as well.

    What’s “DO”?

  241. Well, Adam’s in trouble now. He’s just branded himself as completely uncool with his condom choice.

    An article in the Washington Post a few days ago noted that the high school kids don’t take the condoms available at school because they’re Durex, which is a “lame” brand. They prefer Trojans or Magnums.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/21/AR2009102102444.html

    Before this, I was holding off on declaring Adam’s career over from all the various career-killers he’s suffered so far. But I’m afraid that this one is probably the nail in the coffin.

  242. Seems P!nk is having trouble containing herself over the news of Adam’s release too:

    @Pink I just spilled an entire bowl of piping hot tomato soup all over myself. 19 minutes ago from UberTwitter

    LOL j/k

    Although I do so appreciate her creative tweeting here:

    @Pink it feels like some evil person is pouring hot lava into my brain while an angry little elf stirs it around with a lightning bolt. 6:27 AM Oct 26th from web

    :-) I’m so excited!!

  243. What’s TMI about the answer? Gives brand and type. And as for underwear, I would have pegged him for a boxer brief guy myself.

    LOL – I made sure to write “bordering” on TMI – still think I’m ok with it, though. But since I’m at work, the standards seem higher than my usual low brow ones, I think.

  244. If anything, take it up with Details for asking the question. Adam answered matter of factly and said not much more. For Adam, that’s a good filter for him.

  245. Well, Adam’s in trouble now. He’s just branded himself as completely uncool with his condom choice.

    Lol – time to lower the album sales forecast once again, good job with that one, Adam.

  246. And many of those posters aren’t fans of the other guy.

    It doesn’t matter to me who they are fans of. I’m a fan of several idols-this season and past seasons. I also come here as a fan of SYTYCD and GLEE.
    I will watch the inside stuff, though. I know how I felt last night on the Cook thread.(I like David, Ty, and the show.) I went to read just to get some info and didn’t know what was going on. Not fun.

  247. Adam, I’m begging you, some single news would be awfully nice right now!

  248. Well, Adam’s in trouble now. He’s just branded himself as completely uncool with his condom choice.

    An article in the Washington Post a few days ago noted that the high school kids don’t take the condoms available at school because they’re Durex, which is a ‘lame’  brand. They prefer Trojans or Magnums.

    OR maybe, he read that article and for the good of humanity, the population and condom-needing teenagers all over high schools in America, he’s trying to get them to understand that in these budget-conscious times, schools must go with their contracted resources and Durex can be cool too! Naaaah…prolly not.

  249. aww, poor Adam. It’s been a while since he was in high school, I guess he wouldn’t know which condoms are the popular ones now..

    I like CindyM’s theory.

    Sorry clearone, we’re all punchy from lack of singles news.

    The Pink tweet is hopeful!

  250. aww, poor Adam. It’s been a while since he was in high school, I guess he wouldn’t know which condoms are the popular ones now..

    I expected glittery or glow in the dark or extra large, or something. That was actually a boring answer-not TMI at all.

  251. What’s ‘DO’ ?

    Just a guess – is this Davidcookofficial.com – his official site?

  252. I expected glittery or glow in the dark or extra large, or something. That was actually a boring answer-not TMI at all.

    Hmm, maybe just me, but somehow the “ultra-thin” was what got my mind going in all sorts of different directions. Then again, it doesn’t take much with me…

    You’re right, those other options would be a lot cooler – take note, Adam.

    ETA: except maybe glittery – all sorts of wrong can happen with that. Ok, officially need single leak to get mind out of gutter…

  253. Many of the complaints I get through email are from posters who hate the insidery stuff. And many of those posters aren’t fans of the other guy.

    That might be because many of us love this place for what it is: an AI blog with lots of news about all facets of the show and any of the previous contestants making news. We also love it for what it’s not: a fansite.

    I will watch the inside stuff, though. I know how I felt last night on the Cook thread.(I like David, Ty, and the show.) I went to read just to get some info and didn’t know what was going on. Not fun.

    Eeek – I went in there last night too and hightailed it out. Had no clue what was going on with all of the OT stuff. And, I’m not a newbie, but an MJ’s veteran. So, don’t feel bad about being clueless on that one :)

    So, back on the Pink thing: I’ve probably already commented too much that I think Pink is an interesting and creative song-writer. I really like a lot of her stuff. And, she’s certainly a take no crap from anyone kind of person who appears kind of picky. So, I think the fact that she was willing to give Adam one of her songs is something he should see as a compliment.

  254. Maybe he felt it was nobody’s business and gave a boring answer on purpose.

    Okay I’d like to know how Adam and those around him have managed to maintain such silence. Praying he’ll announce something if he’s interviewed on the red carpet tonight. We need some REAL news!

  255. Praying he’ll announce something if he’s interviewed on the red carpet tonight. We need some REAL news!

    Yes! Hoping for that as well! Don’t know if he will leak a title tonight though, but he may give a little tease. Just hope he doesn’t just say “it’s coming out soon!”

    So, do you think he will wear a suit tonight?

    Just no YHA look and I’ll be happy – ok, nvm, there are other possible outfits he could come out with that might also be fashion fails. But imo he has done a good job recently (loved the look during the AMA announcements).

    I’m kinda expecting him to be a little more sedate at the TII premiere – something about it has a very somber vibe to it, in terms of MJ’s passing, etc.

  256. Hi guys. De-lurking to comment. Sorry I can’t nav the quote and other functionality yet. Can’t even find the condom discussion cept for these two replies but…

    I completely agree that the condom question was researched before answering and he chose that answer and perhaps it was triggered by that Post piece. The boy is brilliant and cares. A nice combination. Trojans is the obviously superstar choice for endorsements. But if he can’t sing a song he doesn’t love, I think he wont promote a condom brand that isn’t for a thought out “reason”. Bravo once again for Adam.

  257. By the way, my contact asked 19 about the single, and here was the reply:

    ‘We have not announced Adam’s single yet.’ 

    This really sounds like a non-denial denial to me. Almost as if the word “officially” should be written in disappearing ink in front of “announced.”

    This coupled with the supposed leak over on AO and the Cincy DJ’s fairly unequivocal statement in his blog really make me think it’s the Pink song. I give it 2 to 1 odds. The Lady GaGa song is going off at 5 to 1.

  258. Maybe he felt it was nobody’s business and gave a boring answer on purpose.

    I agree. Look at his answer to the comic book question. Adam has no trouble giving info when he wants to. I think he thought it was a little intrusive.
    But, he’s a sexually active grown man. He better be using condoms!

  259. As an aside…..I’m amazed that a tidbit on a magazine website meant, basically, for the consumption of the few that are interested in the magazine and the subject matter, all of a sudden becomes a public announcement intended for all of mankind. Really, only peeps “interested” in Adam would be looking at these questions and answers…so if I choose to look I better be comfortable with it…or just move on.

  260. Did you guys see this like 9 hours ago?

    AimeeMayo @suebrody1 i am wide awake. i’ve been trying to keep busy so i would not worry non-stop and drive my husband crazy. have they posted list?about 9 hours ago from web in reply to suebro

    HRM… Poor Aimee. :(

    Yep, going with Pink, since no outward denial. GaGa will be second single. ;) (I obviously have no clue, since I thought Strut would go first.)

  261. By the way, my contact asked 19 about the single, and here was the reply:

    ‘We have not announced Adam’s single yet.’ 

    This really sounds like a non-denial denial to me.

    Yeah, it sure does.

    When you put it together with the Adam tweets to Pink, I’d say your odds are about right. It’s the Pink song. And since she’s a great writer (I think) and Max Martin has made a lot of hits, I wouldn’t say it’s surprising. Plus, while, yeah, the provenance doesn’t matter, it doesn’t really *hurt* for the provenance to be Pink.

  262. For the first time ever, Adam sounded like he stuttered the answer and covered with the underwear mention.

    Can’t wait to see what questions #2 and #1 are!

  263. Max Martin also wrote Allison’s new single. Adam’s “brilliant” because he picked Durex as his favorite condom. ;) Too bad I can’t find all the smiley’s anymore.

    I think for some Idol fans, their fav can do no wrong. So every choice they make is amazing. Thank God they didn’t ask him “What’s your favorite rat poison?” There could some loss of life involved. :)

  264. Can’t wait to see what questions #2 and #1 are!

    Yeah, they better be good. Like:

    #2 = what’s your first single?
    #1 = and when does it come out?

  265. If this is true why do they keep giving Idols these second hand songs? They can’t produce anything original? I wonder if this will work out better than LLWD.

    At least Allison’s single wasn’t a cover. It’s been the best one so far too.

  266. If our condoms don’t pass these rigorous tests, they don’t leave the factory. We don’t just meet international standards, we exceed them. That’s why millions of people across the world trust Durex every day.

    Just once, i would like to sit and observe a vigorous condemn testing session. Just for shits and giggles.

    Natasha- I liked Allison more than Kris during the season, but her song is way too juvenile for my taste. I like Kris’s single better than hers.

  267. Once again, I’m late to the party and not overly concerned with some rumor where one DJ in Ohio claims to have the inside scoop (was that WKRP in Cincinnati? If so, that dude’s way behind the times).

    So far the only thing I’ve found worth commenting on is this:

    clearone: Just ewwww’ ¦’ ¦..I don’t need celebrities to be telling me that kind of info. It is TMI. If I needed to know that kind of stuff I’d ask a friend and not a celebrity I don’t even know.

    Eep! You’d ask your friends what kind of cond….

    Er… halfie, you still out there…..?

  268. If this is true why do they keep giving Idols these second hand songs? They can’t produce anything original? I wonder if this will work out better than LLWD.

    The second-hand songs tend to have been written in the context of somebody else’s album.

    When you’re writing a bunch of songs that go together, and it’s your album, you get on a roll, and when you’re on a roll on a big songwriting project that’s often when you’re going to produce consistently good work. That being the case, there are *often* actual good songs — songs that were written when the songwriter was in well-oiled-machine mode, songs created with passion and imagination that were all fired up — left over from a big project.

    That’s almost the opposite of the situation when somebody’s called in for *one* *day* to work with an Idol on songwriting for these debut albums. The songwriter comes in, doesn’t know the Idol, doesn’t know much about him or her, is working with an Idol who has no body of work that the songwriter can look at to really understand who this person is and what kind of a song is going to work best, at the beginning of the day has absolutely no idea what kind of a song they’re going to write, has no concept what the album as a whole will be about, and is, just in general, starting from *zero* in the morning, and then is supposed to come up with a hit song by day’s end. This is soooo not an optimal way to write great songs.

    And, yes, it *is* possible to come up with great songs in situation number two. But I think anybody who knows anything about creative arts must realize that it tends to be much *easier* and more likely that you’ll come up with great songs in situation number one — writing a bunch of songs over time for your own project.

    It’s really really really not surprising that lots of the songs written “for” the Idols have tended to be a bit lame. The writing process is very rushed and very fragmented, for everybody involved. The Idol is somebody whose persona as a pop singer (or whatever) is having to be *created* at the same time as they’re trying to write a hit song for him or her (which makes it a completely different proposition from writing for an established artist).

    Writing songs “for” a brand-new act, when you’re doing it in a rush and you’re an outsider, not a part of that act, is very very tough and will result in a ton of false starts.

    And it’s not just this way with Idols. Take a look at the sputter-step early careers of many of the other young artists that the music industry picks up as having potential. The exact same things pertain as in creating most of these debut Idol albums. They’re trying to create a persona and then write for it and they make a ton of false starts, and albums get put off for years and often never come out … And a *lot* of that results from problems with getting great songs together for the person.

    Many of the “leftover” songs, on the other hand, were written in a process that’s much more conducive to producing good work. Great songwriting, even in pop, is an art. Intangibles matter a ton.

  269. No recap of lengthy thread for me?! You guys are such a disappointment. ;) I GAVE YOU AN AIMEE TWEET, AFTER ALL! :)

  270. sue – we’re still speculating about the P!nk song and having fun with the Details condom question and the bonus underwear answer.

    That’s about all today! And rehasing what is or isn’t a cover.

    And what will Adam wear tonight?

  271. No recap of lengthy thread for me?! You guys are such a disappointment. ;) I GAVE YOU AN AIMEE TWEET, AFTER ALL! :)

    Well, we saw the Aimee tweet a long time ago, lol.

    But, really, this is the thread: We don’t know but signs seem strong that, yes, the Pink song is the single. Most figure it will be a dance-type song with attitude, which at least has the potential to get radio play and sales.

    Some people are very outraged or disgusted or gloating that Adam may have a leftover Pink song as his first single, for various reasons. Many others think that’s okay, whether or not they thought it was okay for Kris to do the cover of LLWD for his first single, also for various reasons.

    Adam answered the condom question, but not in much detail, which most people think is good, although some wish he hadn’t answered it at all.

    That’s it. Lengthy, but without much variation of substance (sort of like Boom Boom Pow, lol.)

    Everyone wants to know for sure what the single will be.

  272. Previously posted:
    “From a HUGE Pink stan:
    1. 1)The mp3 snippet of Track #4 titled, What Do you Want From Me is actually the song ‘One Foot Wrong’  on Pink’s actual Funhouse album (awesome song, BTW. listen to the whole thing)
    2)Track #11 titled ‘This is How it Goes’  is actually ‘Ave Mary A’  on Funhouse. ‘This is How it Goes’  is not on Funhouse.
    3)Track #10 titled ‘Boring’  is actually ‘It’s All Your Fault’  on Funhouse. ‘Boring’  is not on Funhouse.
    4)WDYWFM, to my knowledge, has never been released or performed live by P!ink. It was written about someone she was dating during her separation from her husband, but by the time Funhouse was being completed, she and hubby had reconciled, so not on the album.”

    From Details article:
    “For the album, 19 entertainment has paired Lambert with some of the best pop producers in the music industry, inclusing Greg Wells, who has worked with Katy Perry and Kelly Clarkson. “The surprise is, that he’s also a gifted songwriter,” says Wells.”

    From Wiki:
    Greg Wells is a musician and Grammy nominated record producer and mixer [1] based in Los Angeles. Wells has produced, mixed and written hits with Katy Perry, OneRepublic, Mika, Pink, Colbie Caillat, Jamie Cullum, Deftones, Otep, The Veronicas, Jessie Baylin, Rufus Wainwright, Kyosuke Himuro and Gerard Way of My Chemical Romance, Creeper Lagoon, Natasha Bedingfield, Team Sleep, Jars of Clay, Anna Waronker, Hilary Duff, Hanson, Latin popstar Belinda, and the Count Basie Orchestra

    Nuff said.

  273. AimeeMayo @suebrody1 i am wide awake. i’ve been trying to keep busy so i would not worry non-stop and drive my husband crazy. have they posted list?about 9 hours ago from web in reply to suebro

    Hey, suebrody, am I reading this correctly and she’s asking you if you know anything? (ie. have they posted list?) Oh man, someone really has to let her know one way or the other. Poor thing. She seems a little crazy high strung but I sure hope her song is on the album.

  274. Could be good news for Aimee!

    OhFerras: @AimeeMayo CALL ME i don’t’ have your number new phone

    Giving lucy a standing O for her post on songwriting! Excellent post!!!

  275. Natasha- I liked Allison more than Kris during the season, but her song is way too juvenile for my taste. I like Kris’s single better than hers.

    I agree it’s juvenile. It’s very juvenile but it’s pretty good.

    Many of the ‘leftover’  songs, on the other hand, were written in a process that’s much more conducive to producing good work. Great songwriting, even in pop, is an art. Intangibles matter a ton.

    If Pink thought this song was a hit she would have put it on her album. Granted ‘Funhouse’ was a great album and some good stuff may have been left off but the fact is that this is someone else’s song that didn’t even make their album. I’m waiting for it to pop up as a B-side that was released in Germany.

  276. jpfan
    October 27, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    I think for some Idol fans, their fav can do no wrong. So every choice they make is amazing.

    Eh. I think it works both ways. For some folks, a certain Idol can do no right and every choice he makes is an opportunity to diss him.

  277. AimeeMayo @suebrody1 i am wide awake. i’ve been trying to keep busy so i would not worry non-stop and drive my husband crazy. have they posted list?about 9 hours ago from web in reply to suebro

    Hey, suebrody, am I reading this correctly and she’s asking you if you know anything? (ie. have they posted list?) Oh man, someone really has to let her know one way or the other. Poor thing. She seems a little crazy high strung but I sure hope her song is on the album.

    My read is that Aimee knows but has been asked not to say anything. So before she commented to Sue she wanted to know if it was public.

  278. Eh. I think it works both ways. For some folks, a certain Idol can do no right and every choice he makes is an opportunity to diss him.

    Oh good gracious yes – it’s the extreme on both sides but I see this a WHOLE lot

  279. I believe that the big deal about Kris singing a cover for his single was that his fans sold him as an organic songwriter musician, and that he was going to write all the songs in his album . Not that recording a cover is something bad.

    Fans say all sorts of things after AI about their favorite. It’s all part of the AI fan hyperbole. Kris is a songwriter and a good musician but anybody who really thought he’d write all the songs on his album wasn’t paying attention to AI first album history. Harping on the cover issue around the ‘net appears more tied in some areas to a need to “nah nah nah” his fans for their OTT bragging about his songwriting, than about the cover issue itself. OTT bragging of course, is not limited to Kris Allen fans.

    As far as the Pink song, it’s not a cover if it was never released. I define “cover” as a retake (or retread) of a known song. Yes, technically anything that is recorded that was already recorded by another artist is considered a cover, but that’s kind of a broad and silly definition that appears to get thrown around to discredit an otherwise good, more visible take on somebody’s original song. A good song is a good song, regardless of whether it was already done before. Since I generally like Pink, I expect I’ll like Adam’s single. Saying this is a cover makes as much sense as saying Kelly’s “Breakaway” was a cover of Avril Lavigne’s version, simply because she wrote it and then left it off her subsequent cds.

  280. If Pink thought this song was a hit she would have put it on her album. Granted ‘Funhouse’ was a great album and some good stuff may have been left off but the fact is that this is someone else’s song that didn’t even make their album. I’m waiting for it to pop up as a B-side that was released in Germany.

    Well, good songs do get left off of albums. Maybe not the very best songs from the albums. But I happen to think Funhouse is a darned good album, so if something almost made the cut but didn’t, it can still be pretty good.

    Sometimes you just write too many songs. … And sometimes you write a song that you believe would be better if somebody else was singing it.

    Not saying that this is going to be the best song ever written.

    But you *still* have a better chance to get a good song written this way than you do when some total stranger to you (and you to him/her) comes in for one day in which they absolutely have to churn out a recordable song. …

    That’s the other big difference with writing an album full of songs. You’re just writing, day after day, and you don’t have the pressure of *every* single day having to end it with a recordable song. With the Idol album-writing process, this is exactly what the songwriters-for-hire are expected to do. … And that kind of pressure is *not* conducive to most people’s best writing.

  281. 2x(ist) underwear

    what happened to the Ralph Lauren’s we got a glimpse of when he was leaning over the table. Remember that behind the scenes (pun intended) photo from the break room?

    Maybe 2x(ist) was the brand Ellen gave him as a gift and he switched.

  282. My read is that Aimee knows but has been asked not to say anything. So before she commented to Sue she wanted to know if it was public.

    Okay, halfie, thanks. I can see that. I hope Aimee’s song made it because she seems to have invested so much of herself into this.

  283. I think for some Idol fans, their fav can do no wrong. So every choice they make is amazing.

    Eh. I think it works both ways. For some folks, a certain Idol can do no right and every choice he makes is an opportunity to diss him.

    Yep. It works both ways and from every fan group. Therefore, nobody is in a position to finger point.

    I wish everybody would stop it. The fan warring is soooo tedious.

    This thread has gotten way to meta. Let’s get back on topic.

  284. As far as Max Martin being brilliant, he’s also the man behind early Britney Spears. So yes, he’s a brilliant hitmaker but for people who look to Adam as the “return of real f’n music,” he’s not exactly a beacon for it. He’s pure pop factory hitmaker. Nothing wrong with it, and it’s probably a smart move to put some of his collaborations on the cd, but his lyrics and style are hardly revolutionary.

  285. Giving lucy a standing O for her post on songwriting! Excellent post!!!

    Thanks, mischa!

    I feel strongly about this, lol!

  286. AND, he has me looking at stuff on the internet I’d have never known about. 2x(ist) underwear?

    2x(ist) poster ads w/men in briefs are even at the bus stops here in nyc.

  287. jpfan
    October 27, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    I think for some Idol fans, their fav can do no wrong. So every choice they make is amazing.

    Eh. I think it works both ways. For some folks, a certain Idol can do no right and every choice he makes is an opportunity to diss him.

    LOL. I live for this shit. Need more popcorn BRB.

  288. mj, While trying to catch up on the posts, I see that you would like people to take it easy on the inside jokes for the newbies. I might have missed the exact instance you were speaking about but I would like to add my comment.

    Sometimes what people are discussing is not an inside joke, it is just history. Many here are well versed in the minute details of an idol. If someone new jumps in, they may not be left out of an inside joke, they may just not be as informed about the history of an idol. That is not our fault. And many times people would get such “inside joke” if they just scrolled back and read a couple of prior pages. And sometimes, google is your friend.

  289. I just need the song. I was expecting it to be Lady GaGa ´s, but I will relax (not) and wait.

  290. He’s pure pop factory hitmaker. Nothing wrong with it, and it’s probably a smart move to put some of his collaborations on the cd, but his lyrics and style are hardly revolutionary.

    TBH – this is kinda what I’m hoping for for the first single.

    I’d prefer Boom Boom Pow to Uprising, no offense to Muse (and I love them) – but yeah, for the first single I want it to do well out of the gate to really put him on the charts. The rest of the album (and subsequent singles) can be filled with deeper tracks.

    Then again, I don’t want generic to the extent of boredom. But with Adam’s unique sound and musical instinct, I’m not expecting that either.

  291. Praying:
    no autotune, please
    no autotune, please
    no autotune, please
    …….
    ……..

  292. Sometimes what people are discussing is not an inside joke, it is just history. Many here are well versed in the minute details of an idol. If someone new jumps in, they may not be left out of an inside joke, they may just not be as informed about the history of an idol. That is not our fault. And many times people would get such ‘inside joke’  if they just scrolled back and read a couple of prior pages. And sometimes, google is your friend.

    Nope. What I’m talking about is entirely different. But I really don’t want to discuss this anymore it’s completely ott. If you have any questions, email me.

  293. But you *still* have a better chance to get a good song written this way than you do when some total stranger to you (and you to him/her) comes in for one day in which they absolutely have to churn out a recordable song. ‘ ¦

    I agree 100%, which is why I have no problems with covers/leftovers for Idol first albums.

  294. If Pink thought this song was a hit she would have put it on her album. Granted ‘Funhouse’ was a great album and some good stuff may have been left off but the fact is that this is someone else’s song that didn’t even make their album. I’m waiting for it to pop up as a B-side that was released in Germany.

    HUH? so because Pink didn’t use it the song must be crap?

    what does “someone else’s song” even mean? The song was written by Pink and Max martin. Lots of artists use songs written by other people… look at the American Idol winner for crying out loud… To somehow try to denegrate this song because it was written by Pink and considered for her current album is really beyond the pale of what some will do in order to slam Adam for every single thing he does.

    If he got a cover song as his first single I’d be upset but a song written by two known hit makers? no.. sorry… not upset by this and you can believe that in interviews no one will be saying “so Adam… I hear this is a throw away song of Pink’s”

  295. I’ll join in that chant…

    no autotune, no autotune, no autotune…

  296. AimeeMayo @suebrody1 i am wide awake. i’ve been trying to keep busy so i would not worry non-stop and drive my husband crazy. have they posted list?about 9 hours ago from web in reply to suebro

    Hey, suebrody, am I reading this correctly and she’s asking you if you know anything? (ie. have they posted list?) Oh man, someone really has to let her know one way or the other.

    That’s how I read it. She’s asking sue. I guess there hasn’t been any official word yet.

    I believe that the big deal about Kris singing a cover for his single was that his fans sold him as an organic songwriter musician, and that he was going to write all the songs in his album . Not that recording a cover is something bad.

    It’s not only that he was marketed as a songwriter but he sang a carbon copy of the Script’s version of the song. Not a good thing for someone coming off Idol.

    Adam doesn’t have the songwriter problem but he is trying to market himself as something new and someone that is different from anyone else out there. Tough to do if he’s going to go around singing other artist’s songs. If he sings this song the same way Pink did then that’s even worse. And this isn’t outside the realm of possibility since it looks like the same guy produced it – Max Martin.

  297. Praying:
    no autotune, please
    no autotune, please
    no autotune, please

    I have to agree with this. Autotune is for singers who are pitchy right? I really hope there is no autotune on the album.

  298. rattleandhum: you can believe that in interviews no one will be saying ‘so Adam’ ¦ I hear this is a throw away song of Pink’s’ 

    I’ll bet someone does. Not those exact words, of course, but it will happen (if this is the single). Every third DJ thinks he’s God’s gift to the zinger.

  299. Pink Floyd had the song with the same name. Maybe it is a cover of Pink Floyd song. I would prefer Lambert to sing Pink Floyd better than Pink’s.

  300. To somehow try to denegrate this song because it was written by Pink and considered for her current album is really beyond the pale of what some will do in order to slam Adam for every single thing he does.

    It isn’t unique to Adam. This happens every single year between fans of the top 2. It really has very little to do with Adam or Kris. If Danny and Allison had been the top 2, this exact same thing would be happening.

    It’s not only that he was marketed as a songwriter but he sang a carbon copy of the Script’s version of the song. Not a good thing for someone coming off Idol.

    As I said upthread, Kris Allen shouldn’t be held responsible for his fans OTT bragging about his uniqueness. He is very, very talented and capable of writing and arranging his own music but he’s on his first CD off of AI. Anybody paying attention to AI history should have known he’d be part of the machine this first go ’round, just like every other winner. Most radio fans who have heard KA’s LLWD know it as his song, so the cover issue should really be a non-issue if this is really about Kris Allen alone.

  301. Adam doesn’t have the songwriter problem but he is trying to market himself as something new and someone that is different from anyone else out there. Tough to do if he’s going to go around singing other artist’s songs. If he sings this song the same way Pink did then that’s even worse.

    For starters, he’ll not sing it the same way as she would, if only for the fact that she’s pretty much an alto and he’s more of a soprano. ;-)

    I don’t believe it’s “tough to” be new and different if he’s “singing other artists’ songs,” but your point is well taken when he’s recording a song that she wrote awhile ago. That said, I understand his “newness” to be from a production standpoint as much as anything. Honestly though, I’m not sure he was completely sure what he meant to describe either.

    Regardless, I’m thrilled about the P!nk collab. Really thrilled.

  302. AimeeMayo @suebrody1 i am wide awake. i’ve been trying to keep busy so i would not worry non-stop and drive my husband crazy. have they posted list?about 9 hours ago from web in reply to suebro…..
    My read is that Aimee knows but has been asked not to say anything. So before she commented to Sue she wanted to know if it was public.

    If Aimee knows, then why would she be trying not to worry non-stop? She’s worried because she DOESN”T know yet!

  303. If he sings this song the same way Pink did then that’s even worse. And this isn’t outside the realm of possibility since it looks like the same guy produced it ‘“ Max Martin.

    Pink never released the song, no one has heard her sing it , so there is no way to compare!!!!!!
    Once this is released it will be known to the general public as Adam’s song.
    IT’s on Adam’s cd , Adam sings it, it’s Adam’s song.

  304. Pink Floyd had the song with the same name. Maybe it is a cover of Pink Floyd song. I would prefer Lambert to sing Pink Floyd better than Pink’s.

    Pink wrote the song. It is not a Pink Floyd song. Lots of songs have the same name. This song was written by Pink, never recorded, and has never been heard before.

  305. HUH? so because Pink didn’t use it the song must be crap?

    what does ‘someone else’s song’  even mean? The song was written by Pink and Max martin.

    I didn’t say it was crap. How could I? I haven’t heard it yet. I just think if it was a sure fire hit she would have used it herself.

    Natasha: If he sings this song the same way Pink did

    How will we know if he does?

    If it sounds just like something Pink would put out. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then it’s probably a duck.

  306. @halfie
    October 27, 2009 at 2:54 pm
    Natasha: If he sings this song the same way Pink did

    How will we know if he does?

    This pretty much answers every post here regarding the cover debate.

  307. If he was doing a Ryan Tedder penned song, would we be having this conversation? What I’m reading the real issue is people don’t like that it was written a while ago and it didn’t make P!nks’s album.

    But if it was a new song written for Adam, everything would be fine. This really makes no sense. Linda Perry wrote a song that Adam recorded, what’s the big deal.

    I’ll take a P!nk penned single over Tedder any day.

  308. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then it’s probably a duck.

    For a RL example of the duck analogy, may I reference LLWD?

  309. If it sounds just like something Pink would put out. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then it’s probably a duck.

    Pink being as versatile and various as she is, then I’m guessing that Adam’s doomed on this criterion — Pink’s put out so many different kinds of songs that his take on her title is sure to sound something like one of them!

    Guess his career really is circling the drain. This, and the lame condom choice on the same day, lol.

    Poor Adam. And poor Season 8. Kris already went down the drain a couple of weeks ago, I hear, and now Adam’s following right after him!

  310. I RTed @Q102briand last nite. Looks like he deleted the posts? He talks about the song, the name of it and when he thinks he will get it?? Check out the first 3 or 4 tweets on my twitter https://twitter.com/pleazurs

  311. I have to agree with this. Autotune is for singers who are pitchy right? I really hope there is no autotune on the album.

    ,

    I would say that autotune today is used not because singers are more pitchy than before but because they want to give singers a more edgy tone and stronger vocals in areas where they usually would be weak. But I guess it can be used for pitch problems as well. I hear autotune in LLWD in the part where Kris goes high (on the chorus i think) and I also heard it on one note in TFM (I know you don’t agree on this, should I hide?)

  312. For a RL example of the duck analogy, may I reference LLWD?

    Not really. Since we could hear The Script’s LLWD we could compare the two versions directly. This is more like evaluating whether Kelly sounds greater than or less than 50% like Christina. My cover-dar isn’t nearly that accurate, but I guess that’s the new standard.

  313. I so believe in the talent of Adam it will be a hit know matter what he sings…talent is talent…Adam is a Rock God…

  314. The thread seems grumpier than usual….I think people are tired and frustrated from the waiting. Just release the song already.

  315. and I also heard it on one note in TFM (I know you don’t agree on this, should I hide?)

    You don’t have to hide from me. I am a little new to autotune. It must be different if used to correct one note than if it is used over a whole section of a song….like in “autotune the news” right? I think I may have a harder time detecting autotune when used to correct one note than if it is used as an effect. If one note goes a little bad, why don’t they re-record it? (Assuming the singer can do it at all.)

  316. Praying:
    no autotune, please
    no autotune, please
    no autotune, please
    ‘ ¦’ ¦.
    ‘ ¦’ ¦..

    That’s be nice. But I’m expecting a lot of vocal processing on Adam’s album to make it current despite Adam being one of the last people who would need or benefit from it.

    If Max Martin was willing to autotune Kelly then no one’s sacred. But it’s be great being wrong about what he’ll do with Adam’s voice.

  317. The thread seems grumpier than usual’ ¦.I think people are tired and frustrated from the waiting. Just release the song already.

    lol. It’s rainy and a slow day in general where I am. I’ll admit to being pretty antsy for something new.

  318. If one note goes a little bad, why don’t they re-record it? (Assuming the singer can do it at all.)

    Again, I don’t think it’s alway a note that goes wrong. You can strengthen a weak but correct note with autotune somehow (I think). For example, it can be hard to sing in a certain register strongly and it will sound very tensed au naturelle or just weak. To me, I hear it clearly because a human voice vibrates and it also displays several tones at the same time if its recorded naturally, like a coloring of the main note. With autotune this is gone. This is how I hear it, but I might be wrong.

  319. I also heard it on one note in TFM (I know you don’t agree on this, should I hide?)

    Which note? (Totally serious with this question).

  320. pleazurs- I TRIED to read your tweets but was distracted somehow, lol!

    That DJ is backtracking now. The article he cites goes right back to him:
    https://twitter.com/Q102briand

    natasha- Look up the history of the song Silver Springs by Fleetwood Mac. It wasn’t “good enough” to be on their “Rumours” album and wasn’t released until almost 20 years later- it’s one of their best songs.

    http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=3162

  321. Autotune is for singers who are pitchy right? I really hope there is no autotune on the album.

    It is used to straighten out off key singing but it’s also used liberally just to change the sound of the overall song. I don’t see the use of auto-tune (or the lack of use) to be a measure of who is good and who isn’t. It’s just a tool for pop music producers. There are some very good, successful artists who use auto-tune and some who don’t. The sniffing at the mention of it tends to get overblown and pretentious, IMO.

  322. I also saw on a tweet last nite (wish I would have saved it) where someone actually took a pic of their computer with the page that accidentallly popped up where you could buy Adams single! It had the boxes with red x’s in them but It had his name, the song name, and everything! Now Im so mad I didnt save or RT it! :(

  323. Lol, cant believe he deleted the post and sent a “it MAY be pink’s song”. This DJ made a mess…

    I was looking at his tweets and he is also doing no favors to kris:

    on air right now playing all new music til 11a @thescript version of live like were dying, temper trap , new mx from Timbaland and more11:20 AM Oct 25th from web

    Why do it?

  324. Studio57

    pleazurs- I TRIED to read your tweets but was distracted somehow, lol!

    I know rite! LOL Love it!

  325. hi guys.seriously have a shitload of homework and I want to be here for the tii red carpet thing tonight (I commented on the pink thing yesterday)

    this time I’m begging;

    SOMEONE PLEASEEEEEEEEEE SUMMARIZE TE THREAD FOR ME!!!!!!

    thnx:)

  326. Wait..on that DJ that broke the Adam song news:

    This tweet from him:

    on air right now playing all new music til 11a @thescript version of live like were dying, temper trap , new mx from Timbaland and more
    6:20 AM Oct 25th from web

    Does this mean he was playing the Script’s version of LLWD?? That’s pretty shitty if he did that since Kris played at their bosom ball.

  327. pleazurs- the red x thing has been going around for a week. I think this is where the DJ is getting it from too- AO I guess said it was a hoax.

    And does anyone know about a song called SHOULD? This is the second tweet I saw asking Adam if that was going to be his new song? Is that the Gaga one?

    glamplz: @adamlambert Confused.AINOW just said ur WhatDoUWantFromMe will b released 11/2 as ur single. Is it this or SHOULD? Can't wait excited
    11 minutes ago from Echofon

  328. Guess his career really is circling the drain. This, and the lame condom choice on the same day, lol.

    Look, if it’s a hit no one is going to care about this discussion. I just question how good it could be if Pink didn’t want it on her album.

  329. Which note? (Totally serious with this question).

    Well, TFM is a bit special because there are places that sounds a bit like autotune (to me) but it’s actually several layers of vocal recordings on top of each other (like we discussed before right?). I think it’s super cool, btw. As I see it, this can also be done to make the tone fuller.

    I think the tone I am talking about is at 3:26. Heh, I might have to retract the autotuning but I think they laid some keyboard part in the same note as Adam is singing making the blended sound (his and the keyboard) sound stronger. I didn’t really hear the vibrato with the electronic sound blended… What do you guys think?

  330. I think the way Adams voice will get “autotuned” (through efx) will be to make his sound richer with more bottom end. To remove the cat in his sound if you will. The process for Allison was to gain the opposite illusion – a sharper tone. The intent of this route is to be relevant and in touch with todays robotic sound direction. The possibility of harmonics is bankable.

  331. Look, if it’s hit no one is going to care about this discussion. I just question how good it could be if Pink didn’t want it on her album.

    From earlier:

    4)WDYWFM has never been released or performed live by Pink. It was written about someone she was dating during her separation from her husband, but by the time Funhouse was being completed, she and hubby had reconciled, so it’s not on the album.

  332. DLee: Autotune is for singers who are pitchy right?

    saga: You can strengthen a weak but correct note with autotune somehow (I think). For example, it can be hard to sing in a certain register strongly and it will sound very tensed au naturelle or just weak.

    Niall: [Autotune] is used to straighten out off key singing but it’s also used liberally just to change the sound of the overall song. ….(i)t’s just a tool for pop music producers.

    [grin] Actually “AutoTune” was originally a tool for oil engineers – change in sound wavelengths helped determine where underground oil pockets were located. Altering the program to change vocal wavelengths/amplitude in singing humans was just a side benefit.

    For those who would like to see the full capabilities of Autotune (which is actually pretty frightening), go to YouTube and find the “AutoTune the News” with Joe Biden (I think its #8 in the series). I’d provide the link here, but YouTube is banned at my workplace.

    Hell, if you can make a catchy song out one of the vice-president’s dreariest speeches, anything is possible!!

  333. I don’t think they will autotune Adam much, since he naturally has a more edgy voice. The place in LLWD I am referring to is at 2:42 but I think there are quite a lot of autotune in LLWD, especially the chorus. I can’t really tell with Kris voice sometimes because he doesn’t have a vibrato in the same way.

  334. There isn’t that much to summarize, luv.

    19 has NOT confirmed that the Pink track is Adam’s first single. Alisan is happy. Aimee is still nervous. There’s been some discussion about autotune. And Details magazine (which is NOT appropriate for you :grin:) listed Adam’s favorite condom and underwear.

  335. Well, TFM is a bit special because there are places that sounds a bit like autotune but it’s actually several layers of vocal recordings on top of each other (like we discussed before right?). As I see it, this can also be done to make the tone fuller.

    I missed this, though I had a feeling it had been discussed before. Even being on the boards 8 hrs straight makes it hard to catch everything :-) Sounds about right – the layered bit toward the end of TFM def probably has autotune.

    ITA that it is not just about correcting a weak voice – it can be used with someone like Adam to make a richer or nuanced sound.

  336. this time I’m begging;

    SOMEONE PLEASEEEEEEEEEE SUMMARIZE TE THREAD FOR ME!!!!!!

    Summary luv…

    Adam’s new single could be out as early as next monday.. rumor is it’s the song written by Pink and Max Martin.

    on the one side you have people who are excited at the prospect of this song because Pink is a really good writer and Max is a known hit maker

    on the other side you have people who can’t believe Adam is getting Pink’s scraps and that the song must be total crap otherwise why would Pink have no recorded it herself.

    Throw in some talk about the TII premiere as well as Details.com Top 8 disclosure that Adam wears Durex Condoms and 2(x)ist undies and there you have it in a nuttshell (no pun) *g*

  337. P!NK wrote almost non-stop during her break up wth Carey.

    Wow, I didn’t know that. Sounds like Lucy was right about her take on songwriting.

  338. P!NK wrote almost non-stop during her break up wth Carey.

    Wow, I didn’t know that. Sounds like Lucy was right about her take on songwriting.

    She talked about it during her show, at Staples. Mentioned sitting on the beach, in Malibu, day after day, crying and writing.
    I think she mentions it in the VH1 “Behind the Music” bio too.

  339. Think Cassidy was at Adam’s last night?

    cassidyhaley
    .@OhFerras great to meet you last night! congrats on the track..its awesome..
    7 minutes ago from web in reply to OhFerrasnot saying a word about what I’m doing but it is awesome.
    about 15 hours ago from Tweetie

  340. I missed this, though I had a feeling it had been discussed before.

    Listen carefully and you can hear Adam sing the verse in the usual melody and a lower melody under it somewhere in the middle of the song. I think they probably do this in several places. I love it.

  341. Absolutely think Cassidy was there. What a great night, for Adam, to share that moment with his Hollywood “Family!”

  342. rattleandhum: you can believe that in interviews no one will be saying ‘so Adam’ ¦ I hear this is a throw away song of Pink’s’ 

    I’ll bet someone does. Not those exact words, of course, but it will happen (if this is the single). Every third DJ thinks he’s God’s gift to the zinger.

    I don’t think it will be presented as an insult is what I meant to say. I’m sure the fact that Pink wrote it will be mentioned, just as Kelly repeatedly was asked about how she came to record Katy Perry’s IDNHU….

    I don’t see them saying “So… this song… it wasn’t good enough for Pink’s album but you recorded it anyway?” ala Kris’ “so this is a cover of a Script song right?”

  343. Look, if it’s a hit no one is going to care about this discussion. I just question how good it could be if Pink didn’t want it on her album.

    Probably pretty damn good. A reject from a Pink album is probably better than the first single from most albums out there. But, I’m a huge Pink fan, so my opinion can’t be trusted.

    And, the truth is, Natasha, no one is really going to care about this discussion whether the song is a hit or not. I really don’t think music careers are made or broken based on the opinions of us posters here at MJs blog. ;)

  344. Yes, and now I think Ferras made the album. God, don’t you wish you were part of Adam’s Hollywood family?

    Meanwhile, Aimee and her husband sweat it out…………………..

    I am fine with the Pink song if it is intense. I still wanted something more dancey, and Pink is really dancey, but dammit, whatever, THROW US A DAMN BONE, ALREADY, RCA/19.

    I love TfM. I love the song but I love the video even more, b/c I think Bedraggled!Adam is amazing. And you get forlorn Adam and then FIERCE Adam. The song works much better WITH the video, IMO. The visuals really help (not the CGI, the Adam ones. ;)).’

    Isn’t Pink’s song So What? about her break-up with hubby? I mean it has to be…and then Please Don’t Leave Me is, too. I guess I’m confused about why the current song in question wouldn’t work…???

    ETA: Who outside the Idol bubble would give a damn if this is a Pink “reject” or not if it’s good? I don’t know about most songs. I just know if I like them or not (e.g., Muse’s music).

  345. I didn’t say it was crap. How could I? I haven’t heard it yet. I just think if it was a sure fire hit she would have used it herself.

    What makes you think that? Lady Gaga gave him a song that she absolutely LOVED but which she said she couldn’t make work for herself… writers write all the time… sometimes it works where they can use the song and sometimes it doesn’t. The idea that every song that doesn’t make the album must be crap is bizarre.

    If it sounds just like something Pink would put out. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then it’s probably a duck.

    that will be interesting because I’m not even sure Pink knows what her “sound” is, as she’s said herself. She’s kind of all over the place so he could go more rock with it and some could claim he sounds like Pink.. he could go more pop with it or dance with it and the same thing…. Pink never sounds the same way twice so how would it sound like something Pink would put out?

    I guess I’m confused about why the current song in question wouldn’t work’ ¦???

    because apparently the song in question wasn’t about her husband but rather about someone she was seeing while she and her husband were separated. might be a bit awkward to reconcile with the hubby and then have him listen to her new Cd with a song written for some guy she was doing while they were apart… just a thought LOL

  346. Studio57: And does anyone know about a song called SHOULD? This is the second tweet I saw asking Adam if that was going to be his new song? Is that the Gaga one?

    glamplz: @adamlambert Confused.AINOW just said ur WhatDoUWantFromMe will b released 11/2 as ur single. Is it this or SHOULD? Can't wait excited
    11 minutes ago from Echofon

    Haha! That’s pretty funny that the desperation for some single news is causing people to read silly things into Adam’s tweets. What he actually said was:

    the Single SHOULD be out next week…
    9:12 AM Oct 25th from web

    My debut, official album “FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT” will be released Nov 23rd. The SHOULD be out next week. Sorry to keep you guys waiting!

    He’s only commenting on when it SHOULD be out, not what it’s called.

  347. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anthrogeek, that is too funny- I SHOULD have put two and two together, lol.

  348. Studio57: Anthrogeek, that is too funny- I SHOULD have put two and two together, lol.

    And you claim to be an Adam fan! Don’t you have all his tweets memorized by now!?

    Um… yeah, neither do I…….

  349. tooooo funny if there is no “New” news we make it up!!! Rumors abound…

  350. That’s it. Lengthy, but without much variation of substance (sort of like Boom Boom Pow, lol.)

    Everyone wants to know for sure what the single will be.

    Lucy – just wanted to pull this from way back to tell you that your summation gave me the lulz :)

    I think I’m up to speed now as well. If we want to throw a punch at Kris, we call LLWD a “cover”. If we’d rather jab at Adam, we call the Pink song a “reject”, “cast-off” or “leftover”.

    The DJ in Cincy may or may not be correct about the single, and he may or may not be a douchebag.

    Pink may have personal reasons for not recording the song, but until we’re sitting down having beers with her, we probably will not find out.

    Aimee Mayo is still a bit of a nutter who shares far too many of her personal thoughts on Twitter.

  351. Eh. I think it works both ways. For some folks, a certain Idol can do no right and every choice he makes is an opportunity to diss him.

    I wasn’t snarking on Adam I just don’t understand how an answer to the question “What’s you favorite condom” can be described as brilliant. I also feel that way about “What’s your favorite shampoo/mouthwash?” Now maybe the answer to “What’s your favorite book?” could have a brilliant response. I’ll have to think about that. I was just trying for the funny. :)

  352. THANKS HOPPERS AND RATTLEANDHUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :D

    <3 <3 <3

  353. because apparently the song in question wasn’t about her husband but rather about someone she was seeing while she and her husband were separated.

    Her husband, someone else she was seeing, the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker. No matter who it’s about I don’t think you’re going to leave something brilliant off your album. Same goes for Lady Gaga. What do you expect her to say, it’s terrible? Of course she’s going to say it’s great.

  354. OMG….the SHOULD single….I haven’t laughed so hard in a long time….thanks anthrogeek for catching that

  355. I have a strong feeling this song will song like other Pink/recent Kelly Clarkson/Max Martin songs which are usually up tempo and slightly verge on screaming (at least to my ears). Allison’s single is a little along those lines (also done by MM). But it should be very radio friendly at the very least.

  356. Rub
    October 27, 2009 at 3:49 pm
    I think the way Adams voice will get ‘autotuned’  (through efx) will be to make his sound richer with more bottom end. To remove the cat in his sound if you will. The process for Allison was to gain the opposite illusion ‘“ a sharper tone. The intent of this route is to be relevant and in touch with todays robotic sound direction. The possibility of harmonics is bankable.

    Just wanted to say that I always appeciate your take on the more technical side of the music. I think you mentioned before that you essentially take apart the music as you listen to mine it for all its worth. So, please keep your observations coming as it’s very educational. Thx!

  357. It is used to straighten out off key singing but it’s also used liberally just to change the sound of the overall song. I don’t see the use of auto-tune (or the lack of use) to be a measure of who is good and who isn’t. It’s just a tool for pop music producers. There are some very good, successful artists who use auto-tune and some who don’t. The sniffing at the mention of it tends to get overblown and pretentious, IMO.

    ITA. (Although I do think they overprocessed Allison’s voice a bit much on FIBOU.)

    If he was doing a Ryan Tedder penned song, would we be having this conversation?

    No, instead people would be worrying it will sound like “Halo” and “Already Gone.” ;P

  358. Her husband, someone else she was seeing, the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker. No matter who it’s about I don’t think you’re going to leave something brilliant off your album. Same goes for Lady Gaga. What do you expect her to say, it’s terrible? Of course she’s going to say it’s great.

    perhaps because Pink wouldn’t want to possibly derail the reconcilitation with Carey just to get ONE MORE brilliant song on her album…

    How about this comparison…. a role is offered to an actor/actress.. he/she passes on the role… should EVERY OTHER actor or actress also pass on it because it wasn’t right for the originally intended actor? NO… sometimes songs/roles/whatever fit better with other artists for various reasons…

    most ACTUAL writers are always writing… not necessarily for their albums but just to write….. it’s how they express themselves and their emotions… every song doesn’t make it to an album…. sometimes a real masterpiece never makes it to the album….

    The idea that it can’t be that good because Pink didn’t record it is just bizarre because by that standard every song that is every NOT put on record is utter shite and every song that IS put on record is brilliant otherwise why would they pick it.

  359. So, Ely is spilling a bit of info on The Aftermath” which Adam also co-wrote!

    elythecreep listening to the Aftermath….insane….huge….wow…
    7 minutes ago from web

    lovelifedc: @elythecreep What kind of ballad is it?

    elythecreep: @lovelifedc i dont know if ballad is the right word…not sure if u could slow dance to it..haha

    @MissGolightly22 please thank your team for the prayers last night..they definitely worked…im still in shock…waiting for a press release

  360. The idea that it can’t be that good because Pink didn’t record it is just bizarre because by that standard every song that is every NOT put on record is utter shite and every song that IS put on record is brilliant otherwise why would they pick it.

    I didn’t say it wasn’t good. I think it’s less likely she thought it was a hit if it didn’t make her album.

    Why is everything brilliant or crap? There are songs that are in between. What I think is that they usually try to put the best songs they have on the album.

  361. is that a freakin’ SNAKE on his wrist???—totally cool cover!

  362. adamlambert
    Album cover revealed on adamofficial.com. Glam is back!!!6 minutes ago from Echofon

    Tweet from Adam!!!

  363. cover reminds me of Bowie!!!! what does everyone else think?

    retro glam and twitter is blowing up!

  364. WOW.. that is one beautiful album cover… it’s like ART…

    Don’t throw rocks

    Very feminine

    yep… I love it for that reason… Adam is doing his thing…. screw trying to fit into anyone else’s idea of what he should be…

  365. 4Msrmyn,

    It is meant to be feminine, toward androgyny, like Prince, Bowie, etc

  366. cover reminds me of Bowie!!!! what does everyone else think?

    retro glam and twitter is blowing up!

    That’s the first thing I thought of when I saw it – Bowie. I like it a lot.

  367. It’ll be a love it or hate it cd cover, just like Blake Lewis and his Audio Day Dream cover.

    I like it but then I expect a New Wave or Ziggy Stardust feel to the music so the cover should follow suit.

  368. It was a shock at first, too feminine, but after looking at it for awhile, it’s androgynous, very glam, and NO ONE can say that Adam isn’t being true to himself with this pic.

    It’s beautiful. Good on him!

  369. The cover is beautiful. Definately retro/Bowie. I know some people are going to hate it but I love it. This guy just always does what we don’t expect. He did say he would surprise us!

  370. Uhh, that was … special. Weird mix of masculine and feminine… don’t really know what to think.

  371. blow it up and really look at the details… A lot of people will say it’s too airbrushed but it’s really not… his pores are visible and the details in the makeup are visible… his eyes are AMAZING! WOW…

    and yes Studio.. no one can claim he’s not being true to himself with this cover… he’s straddling the line between masculine/feminine… it’s HOT

  372. It was a shock at first, too feminine, but after looking at it for awhile, it’s adrogynous, very glam, and NO ONE can say that Adam isn’t being true to himself with this pic.

    I have to admit that I laughed when I first saw it. It reminds me of the first time I heard Adam sing RoF, just amazement and disbelief. I love it though, and I think ppl who were worried that the record execs were trying to bland out Adam should be relieved. It should definitely stand out on the shelf.

  373. It’s not just that he stayed true to himself but this is gutsy. I have to give him major props here.

  374. Uhh, that was ‘ ¦ special. Weird mix of masculine and feminine’ ¦ don’t really know what to think.

    I might get in trouble for asking this question but I’m so confused.. you say you’re an adam fan but I’ve yet to see you actually LIKE anything he does. what am I missing?

    Didin’t Adam say that you can’t truly be sexy until you let go of gender stereotypes? There you have it…

  375. It’s definitely out there, but I think it’s meant to be. Certainly will grab your attention when you’re browsing in target LOL.

    Now, what really matters, is what’s inside of it. I hope we get some of that music type stuff soon :)

  376. At first glance, didn’t love the cover and thought Adam looked too feminine. He really is gorgeous so it’s not a stretch to get a pic like this! Picture is growing on me. I read all the posts from loving the hating it. It will get people talking…already is (as everything Adam does do), and it’s controversial..(again very Adam-ish). Adam always says he likes to push buttons, get people thinking, embrace differences and I think this has accomplished all of that. Now what will the people outside the AI bubble who don’t know him think???? Album covers don’t matter in the long run, it’s all about the music and that determines if it will sell.

    I don’t think the Pink song will be the first single btw. Just a guess. WHen Lyndsey Parker was allowed to hear Adam’s songs to review, none were the Pink song. Just seems weird that the first single would not be one of the songs Parker was allowed to hear/review. JMHO!

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