Thursday Ratings: American Idol Down, Glee Rises

Last night’s American Idol was down 9% vs last week. Its competition, Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men, on CBS, both up from last week. And on NBC, Parks and Rec and the premiere of Community were both up.  Good news for Glee, it rose this week!

VIA Tv By The Numbers

On FOX, American Idol scored a 4.1 down 9 percent from last week’s 4.5. Glee earned a 2.2, up 5 percent from last week’s 2.1 adults 18-49 rating.

(Meanwhile, on CBS) On CBS The Big Bang Theory earned a huge 6.1 up 13 percent from last week’s 5.4 adults 18-49 rating. Two and a Half Men scored a 4.1 adults 18-49 rating up 5 percent from a 3.9 last week.

8:00

CBS The Big Bang Theory 6.1/18 18.85
FOX American Idol 4.1/12 13.15
NBC Community -Season Premiere 1.8/6 3.98
ABC Shark Tank – R 1.3/4 4.78
CW The Vampire Diaries 1.1/3 2.50

8:30

CBS Two and a Half Men 4.1/11 14.15
NBC Parks and Recreation 2.0/5 3.83

9:00

CBS Person Of Interest 3.2/8 15.16
ABC Grey’s Anatomy 3.1/8 8.82
FOX Glee 2.2/6 6.06
NBC The Office 2.1/6 4.25
CW Beauty And The Beast 0.6/1 1.52

9:30

NBC 1600 Penn 1.1/3 2.81

10:00

ABC Scandal 2.8/8 8.00
CBS Elementary 2.3/6 11.02
NBC Do No Harm 0.7/2 2.18

Half Hour Breakdown by Marc Berman

8:00 p.m.

ABC – Shark Tank (R)
Viewers: 4.69 million (#3), A18-49: 1.2/ 4 (#3)

CBS – The Big Bang Theory
Viewers: 18.85 million (#1), A18-49: 6.1/18 (#1)

NBC – Community (season premiere)
Viewers: 3.98 million (#4), A18-49: 1.8/ 6 (#3)

Fox – American Idol
Viewers: 12.32 million (#1), A18-49: 3.8/11 (#1)

CW – The Vampire Diaries
Viewers: 2.53 million (#5), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#5)

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8:30 p.m.

ABC – Shark Tank (R)
Viewers: 4.86 million (#3), A18-49: 1.4/ 4 (#4))

CBS – Two and a Half Men
Viewers: 14/14 million (#1), A18-49: 4.1/11 (#2)

NBC – Parks and Recreation
Viewers: 3.83 million (#4), A18-49: 2.0/ 5 (#3)

Fox – American Idol
Viewers: 13.99 million (#2), A18-49: 4.4/12 (#1)

CW – The Vampire Diaries
Viewers: 2.47 million (#5), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#5)

———-

9:00 p.m.

ABC – Grey’s Anatomy
Viewers: 8.73 million (#2), A18-49: 3.0/ 8 (#2)

CBS – Person of Interest
Viewers: 15.28 million (#1), A18-49: 3.3/ 9 (#1)

NBC – The Office
Viewers: 4.25 million (#4), A18-49: 2.1/ 6 (#4)

Fox – Glee
Viewers: 6.82 million (#3), A18-49: 2.5/ 7 (#3)

CW – Beauty and the Beast
Viewers: 1.61 million (#5), A18-49: 0.6/ 2 (#5)

———-

9:30 p.m.

ABC – Grey’s Anatomy
Viewers: 8.91 million (#2), A18-49: 3.2/ 8 (#1)

CBS – Person of Interest
Viewers: 15.04 million (#1), A18-49: 3.1/ 8 (#2)

NBC – 1600 Penn
Viewers: 2.81 million (#4), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#4)

Fox – Glee
Viewers: 5.31 million (#3), A18-49: 2.0/ 5 (#3)

CW – Beauty and the Beast
Viewers: 1.42 million (#5), A18-49: 0.5/ 1 (#5)

———-

10:00 p.m.

ABC – Scandal
Viewers: 7.99 million (#2), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#1)

CBS – Elementary
Viewers: 11.56 million (#1), A18-49: 2.4/ 6 (#2)

NBC – Do No Harm
Viewers: 2.22 million (#3), A18-49: 0.7/ 2 (#3)

———-

10:30 p.m.

ABC – Scandal
Viewers: 8.00 million (#2), A18-49: 2.6/ 8 (#1)

CBS – Elementary
Viewers: 10.48 million (#1), A18-49: 2.2/ 6 (#2)

NBC – Do No Harm
Viewers: 2.14 million (#3), A18-49: 0.6/ 2 (#3)

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

  • calliebeckett

    BBT is a beast.

  • MellyPer1692

    Idol had less viewers than 2 1/2 men?? Wow.

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    CBS is murdering the competition so bad, it’s embarrassing. I mean, Idol could barely get above 13 million. That group round episode really turned people off, didn’t it? :(

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    I’ve never enjoyed The Big Bang Theory or Two and a Half Men … too sophomoric. Guess that’s why they’re popular. At least Idol is helping Glee slightly. 

  • curly_yenta

    It’s quite possible Idol will fall in the singe digit millions before this season is over. Could it go as low as say 8 or 9 million viewers? It’s getting serious now.

  • justmefornow

    TOO. MANY. FREAKS.
    Enough said

  • annie12120

    Say what you want about these numbers, old show, slight drop expected, but the casting of Nicki Minaj and the manipulative casting of this year’s contestants to build the girls up is playing a huge role in the drop. The degradation of this show and an extremely unlikeable judge is commented on across the internet  
    I for one am glad to see the “lowest common denominator” treatment(starting with the judge hate for each other) they have tried to do to the show this year is blowing up in their faces.
    And, I love the fact that it is mucking up Fox owner Murdock and the shareholder profits - hopefully something will be done to fix their mistakes before live rounds. TPTB should know better than to screw up a good TV formula 

  • http://twitter.com/MikhailXO MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    Seems Nigel is looking a bit too far ahead: In his pursuit to have  a female winner—he is compromising the show and losing not only casual, but faithful viewers. The males are rather lackluster (intentionally so?) –with a few exceptions. I’m not seeing a lot of awesome talent amongst them…and not nearly enough cuties to hold viewer interest. He’s losing viewers who may not return. If his plan is to comparatively WOW the Idol viewership with the girls next week–it may be too late.

  • curly_yenta

    I agree. They might as well change the name to American Freak Idol and the biggest freak is on the judging panel  – the one with the pink and orange hair. I’m actually loving this side-plot of plummeting ratings. I look forward to it every week. 

  • fantoo1

    Even if it did, it wouldn’t matter because the premiere was still high.

    I can’t understand though why people would be happy to see it low. Once idol and the other singing shows are gone, then that’s it for the blogs. No more updates or discussion on any of your special snowflakes. Ending the show would have an effect on everybody here, whether they realize it or not.

  • fantoo1

    I wouldn’t call 9% and just 5% in total viewers from last week “plummeting.”

  • MellyPer1692

    What’s so freaky?? There are a few, but there always are…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

    Umm, Curly, it occurs to me that you seem to know very little about how “ratings” work. Idol has actually improved it’s 18-34 ratings this year, which I’m sure they are attributing to Nicki Minaj. And again, television is different year to year. There is currently ONE scripted show that does better than American Idol in the demo. ONE. Out of everything on broadcast television. Slow your roll, dude. Idol will be around til at least Season 15. 

  • bridgette12

    I don’t think it’s going to get that low, but I did think the numbers would go up higher the deeper we got into the season. With these numbers going lower every week, there is something to worry about. I personally don’t watch till they get down to the top 13 because I hate the auditions. So I’m hoping there is a lot of people like me who’s holding off till then. But if it’s not, then this show is in serious trouble. If the judges can’t get people interested in Idol , then the Producers of this show better pray hard that they got some contestants that will draw people in. It ain’t looking good so far.   

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Seems Nigel is looking a bit too far ahead: In his pursuit to have  a
    female winner—he is compromising the show and losing not only casual,
    but faithful viewers. The males are rather lackluster (intentionally
    so?) –with a few exceptions. I’m not seeing a lot of awesome talent
    amongst them…and not nearly enough cuties to hold viewer interest.

    Wait a minute here. Every other thread on this blog complains about the WGWGs and how they always win because the audience is making them into their TV boyfriends and how they’re not relevant in the real world and don’t do as well as female winners, etc., etc. Furthermore, how we need more diversity in the men with the potential for an R&B or pop winner.

    And now … now that there doesn’t appear to be a WGWG in sight, and pop and R&B vocals — good vocals — are taking front and center, we’re going to start complaining that these guys can’t hold the audience’s interest because they’re too lackluster and not cute?

    Be careful what you wish for, you might get it!

    I, for one, am happy thus far because I really want to see what the impact is of highlighting the type of contestant people having been droning on about for the past three years.

    In any event, we haven’t seen the girls yet and some of them may just have the potential of really dominating this year.

  • girlygirltoo

    CBS is the top rated network in terms of viewership. However, their demographic skews old (well, older) for many of their shows. Idol beat Two and a Half Men in the 18-49 demo.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

    It’s absolutely AMAZING that some of you “experts” can look at the list of the Top 25 Broadcast Ratings of last week and claim that American Idol is “in serious trouble.” Please, educated yourselves and just LOOK at what is happening on television currently: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/02/05/tv-ratings-broadcast-top-25-super-bowl-tops-week-19-viewing-among-adults-18-49-with-total-viewers/167891/ 

  • bridgette12

    Sophomoric, do you think the little bitchfest that goes on between Mariah and  Nikki is very mature. Do you think a grown woman who dresses up like a escapee from a crayola box less sillier than what happens on The Big Bang Theory. If Glee’s ratings is higher, it’s because it’s a better show than Idol and it’s not as old. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

     I think it’s sophomoric to judge a person by how they dress.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Sophomoric, do you think the little bitchfest that goes on between
    Mariah and  Nikki is very mature. Do you think a grown woman who dresses
    up like a escapee from a crayola box less sillier than what happens on
    The Big Bang Theory.

    Yeah, I do.
     

  • MellyPer1692

    “Umm, Curly, it occurs to me that you seem to know very little about how “ratings” work. Idol has actually improved it’s 18-34 ratings this year”

    That’s not true: 18-49 demo for seasons 7-12 Hollywood week

    Season 7- part 1 12.3/29 part 2 9.8/26
    Season 8 – part 1 10.0/25 part 2 10.0/25
    Season 9 – part 1 10.1/26 part 2 9.5/23
    Season 10 – part 1 7.3/20 part 2 8.2/23
    Season 11 – part 1 6.1/17 part 2 5.8/16
    Season 12 – part 1 4.6/13 part 2 4.1/13

    Oh wait you said 18-34. Where do you get the narrower demographic numbers?

  • http://twitter.com/MikhailXO MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    you apparently missed the intent behind my post. And I apparently missed the “good vocals” being “front and center” part whilst I was watching AI this week. :)

  • Tess

    Personally I care little anymore about the future of American Idol.  For me it has run its course and I am off to bigger and better things.

    And yes it still rates high in the “prime” age group for marketing but considering it ran in the 8s and 9s a half dozen years ago now that it is in the 4s we can say that half of its targeted market has gone bye-bye.  And from 26 million viewers in its hey-day to half that also says a lot about its impact.

    I actually watched for a bit in the early hour on Wednesday (since my shows begin a little later) and I truly was totally turned off by Nicki Minaj. But Mariah was not much better.  It’s just a total personality thing with me…I find them both grating and their weird facial expressions are unbearable for me.

    Yea, its too bad that the popularity of the show does and will affect Idol-centric blogs and will put a dent in the amount of online interest for past Idols.  But, no matter how much I may like some past Idols I refuse to watch a show that no longer keeps my interest.  And, from what little I saw or have seen on this blog there isn’t a single male contestant that in any way shape or form wiggles this old girl’s peepee.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

     Again, please read my post. 18-34. The young demo. You are posting 18-49

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

     Actually, FOX just released the numbers in today’s press release. It’s up 2% from last season in 18-34

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    you apparently missed the intent behind my post. And I apparently missed
    the “good vocals” being “front and center” part whilst I was watching
    AI this week. :)

    I didn’t care for the group numbers that much, but I thought there were plenty of good vocals in the solo rounds last night. Much potential.  

  • MellyPer1692

    Link to the fox press release please?

    Also, as requested, where do you get the narrower demographic numbers?

  • Steve Long

    I mentioned this is another thread but imo Idol and Xfactor will continue to slide because the music industry is saturated. There is only so much time and money to spread around to the musicians already in the business let alone a new crop of people noone has heard of before.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

     Most press releases can be found on the daily posting at TV Media Insights. Marc Berman gets all the Nielsen data. http://www.tvmediainsights.com/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=3076

  • Hazehel

    Actually, FOX just released the numbers in today’s press release. It’s up 2% from last season in 18-34

    I supposed that is one way of spinning it. But it’s the 18-49 demo that is important for advertisers , and it fell 25% year-to-year for the Wednesday episode of the Hollywood week, and 29% for the Thursday episode.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

     Yeah, so has almost everything else on television. Welcome to 2013. American Idol, excluding the Superbowl, was the #1 show of last week. This week? It will likely be #2 or #3. You don’t cancel a show if it’s ranking in the top 25 shows of the week.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Those are The Voice type ratings. No bad, but for Idol 12 million viewers is a huge drop.

    Lets see what happens next week.

    I don’t think it’s going to get that low, but I did think the numbers would go up higher the deeper we got into the season.

    That never happens. The auditions are always the highest rated segment until we start approaching the finale. The usual pattern is to dip a bit or hold steady week to week, with a small boost from the previous episode whenever the contest shifts to a new round. Then ratings start inching up again towards the end, if the season has good buzz anyway.

    You don’t cancel a show if it’s ranking in the top 25 shows of the week.

    It won’t get canceled, but the performance of the first week of the Hollywood round has not been stellar.

  • bridgette12

    I agree the show is dying and the decisions that the Producers have made in the last few years, everything from the judges panel to the contestants selected, have given this show a big push into obvlion. It use to be a show that you were looked forward to seeing because it was going to be fun and surprising, now you know what your going to get because it’s gotten old and predictable. Judges, who are there to mainly pimp their projects or those who are so totally inept that they can’t say anything else but beautiful after every performances, have been it’s biggest failure. The annual crowning of the generic WGWG is never a surprise and the lackluster women they put up against them, have put pushed this show into the ratings dumpster. It’s too late for this show to rebound, the downward slide can’t be halted.

  • bridgette12

    Stating something that’s obvious that affects people wanting to tune in isn’t sophomoric, it’s called being honest. It’s better than pretending that the grown woman dressed up like a clown is attracive or pleasant to look at week after week.

  • http://twitter.com/MikhailXO MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    Agree 100% that the manipulative casting this season is costing the show in viewership–nothing to get really excited about. They tried this last year (to a lesser degree)–didn’t work (hello P2).

    With regard to Nicki…I have to dissent a bit here. I find her to be a much better judge than J-Lo, who was, imo, rather insincere, whiny, and even a bit sanctimonious in her commentary. Nicki may not be everyone’s cup of chai…but I think she is sincere, FWIW.

  • TheOther

    Personally I am not invested in these early auditions since I already know the results which have been public (for those who are interested) for a while now.  I am also not interested in watching all the drama.

  • girlygirltoo

    Pretty much any show that has been around for 12 seasons is going to see a decline in ratings. Throw in the fact that there are too many singing competition shows on network tv these days, and should we really be surprised that the ratings are down? However, I believe Idol is still easily FOX’s top rated show, and it’s not like it is drawing miniscule ratings. 12 years in, it still draws better than The Voice or XF. And the 18-34 demo is up this season.

    So while I’m sure FOX isn’t thrilled with the drop, they won’t be rushing to cancel Idol any time son, either. I would bet that XF gets cancelled long before Idol does, for example.

  • Hazehel

    Yeah, so has almost everything else on television.

    Just comparing the shows on comparable days for the Hollywood week last year, The Big Bang Theory went up 5%, Person of Interest dropped 3%, CSI dropped 4%, The Middle dropped 11%, The Vampire Diaries dropped 15%,  Criminal Minds dropped 15%, Whitney dropped 20%, Suburgatory dropped 23%, Modern Family dropped 33%.

    So no, not almost everything else.  The drop for Idol  (25-29%) is one of the biggest. 

    I don’t watch the show, but whatever happened to Modern Family?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    And now … now that there doesn’t appear to be a WGWG in sight, and pop and R&B vocals — good vocals — are taking front and center,

    There are two potential WGWGs in the top 5 (according to MJ’s poll last night). Devin and Charlie play guitar. Does Paul Jolley?

    How about Jimmy, he also holds a guitar from time to time? There are WGWGs around, there always are.

    R&B/Gospel vocals from a black guy is nothing new. We just have several of them this year in the top 20. I see two potential Pop type black guys and one of them decided to sing a Whitney song for his solo, so I’m not so sure that he isn’t another more Gospel type singer.

  • fantoo1

    Idol didn’t even start dropping that massively until this week. For the first 3 weeks there were only small drops from the previous season.

  • mjsbigblog

    The appeal of The Big Bang Theory completely escapes and mystifies me.

  • fantoo1

    The judges and WGWG winners have very little to do with the ratings drop. If they still had the original panel, the ratings would be even worse because people would be calling the show “stale.” Most people don’t care about who wins. It’s just a 12 year old show with more competition from other singing shows, it doesn’t necessarily have to do with the “quality.” You can say it has been “dying” since Season 6.

  • sweetmusic

    For once the producers should play it straight. Get competent judges whose primary purpose is to judge singing performances, not buoy up their own careers–and get singers who know how to sing, never mind how freaky they are. Stop the meddling with what was once a good formula. My suggestion: bring back Simon and Paula and start all over.

  • standtotheright

    It’s better than pretending that the grown woman dressed up like a clown is attracive or pleasant to look at week after week.

    So you’re saying that The Voice would have done better in the ratings if Aguilera and Green wore different outfits? #slatepitches

  • fantoo1

    People said the same thing about the puking and fainting last year-that the season would be “horrible” because of that and that idol would lose faithful viewers. The ratings still stayed pretty stable the rest of that season.

    I think there are a lot of talented guys this season, just not of the typical idol male mold(alternative white male rockers). If you are looking for that, then you may be out of luck.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I’ve never enjoyed The Big Bang Theory or Two and a Half Men … too sophomoric. Guess that’s why they’re popular.

    Two and a Half Men isn’t my thing, but Big Bang Theory is an excellent comedy. It appeals to males and females and a wide range of age groups. Everyone I know watches it, from high school kids, all my friends and my parents and grandparents. Sometimes a show just hits on all cylinders and appeals to a broad range of people. The comedic writing in BBT is far from sophomoric. People enjoy a comedy that is well written and where excellent comedic actors are delivering those lines in an entertaining fashion.

    Sophomoric? American Idol is a chessy singing contest/reality show. It’s not some highbrow documentary on PBS. LOL at AI being “above” an award winning comedy line-up, or any other show on network tv competing with it.

  • fantoo1

    Good comparison-I wonder if those same people complaining about Nicki’s outfits are offended by Cee Lo’s probably not…

  • irockhard

    This why I said they screwed up by not showing the girls first. Nigel just doesn’t know what he’s doing.

  • mjsbigblog

    And the net for what constitutes a WGWG gets bigger and bigger. Pretty soon, any guy seen even glancing at an instrument will be tossed in that category. ;).

  • irockhard

    LMAO. I still don’t consider Scotty a WGWG.

  • fantoo1

    I remember the days when it was just considered to be a 20 something lite rocker who was a white male and flipped songs on his guitar.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Exactly. The audition episodes did a good job of retaining the viewers who showed up for the premiere. The trouble, if you want to use that word, didn’t start until this week in Hollywood. That’s where its breaking from previous patterns somewhat in a bad way.

    That said, the Wednesday episode still won the night and the Thursday episode came in second. Both will end up in the top 5 for the week. Perspective is necessary.

    So let’s see if the girls do any better next week, and if people check out the live rounds when they begin. What we need to see now is if this cast will hold people’s attention. Nikki or not, from here on out is this show depends on the kids to carry it.

    Though I will say this, I tried to watch some of mjs clips from this week and got bored. And that Charlie Askew guy cant sing, I don’t know why people love him so much. Heh.

  • caroline conrad

    Nicki and Keith are what has kept me watching.  It’s the cast of contestants that are so poor that is the problem (better last night but you have to grab your audience early on).  I like so called freaks, or different people, but for the most part there has not been anyone that exudes big stage appeal, is compelling, that “it” thing that draws you in, or whose voice I’ve found exceptional (and that means in character/tone/unique etc and not necessarily big notes).  It is by far, to me, the poorest group of contestants ever. I don’t get the strategy here.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I’m just saying watch out for it. lol
    That Devin kid plays guitar fairly well, way more than “glancing at it”. Charlie’s FB pic is one of him playing a guitar and we know that Jimmy country dude plays guitar. What about Paul?

    They are white guys. If they play (not glance at) a guitar on the show during their performances that AI watchers vote on, they are in that category.

  • Larc

    All this emphasis on demo puzzles me a little.  I’m not as interested in Idol’s demo as I am in the total number of viewers.  Demo ratings are primary with networks, show runners and sponsors since their pocketbooks are affected.  But as an Idol fan, the number of people watching is my main interest since that more accurately reflects the show’s popularity.  Demo would become a concern only if it sank low enough to endanger Idol’s survival.

  • fantoo1

      It is by far, to me, the poorest group of contestants ever. I don’t get the strategy here.

    Way too soon to say. We haven’t even seen the girls in Hollywood yet. There was also a bunch of talented guys they chose not to feature in Hollywood.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Sophomoric? American Idol is a chessy singing contest/reality show. It’s
    not some highbrow documentary on PBS. LOL at AI being “above” an award
    winning comedy line-up, or any other show on network tv competing with
    it.

    Who ever claimed Idol is a highbrow documentary? There’s a lot of room for entertainment between a highbrow documentary and a sophomoric comedy. As for AI being “above” any other show on network TV … well, for many a year, it literally blew every other show out of the water, except the Superbowl and now it has the ratings of a successful television show and not the behemoth it once was, which they were never going to be able to retain. So, it fits right in. There are plenty of shows on network television which would love to have AI’s problems.

  • standtotheright

    But as an Idol fan, the number of people watching is my main interest since that more accurately reflects the show’s popularity. Demo would become a concern only if it sank low enough to endanger Idol’s survival.

    1) Ratings in the demo and their effect on “bigwig” pocketbooks directly influence how much the production team invests in the season. Lord knows the producers don’t need more excuses to cut back on song clearance and staging options for the contestants!
    2) Fairly or not, there’s enough research suggesting that 18-49 is the “prime music purchaser” demographic that I’m more interested in that. It reflects the share of the audience that is most interested in supporting the alumni as “musicians with careers” as opposed to “people on the looky box who entertain us for three months.”

  • Hazehel

    People said the same thing about the puking and fainting last year-that the season would be “horrible” because of that and that idol would lose faithful viewers. The ratings still stayed pretty stable the rest of that season.

    I have no idea what you mean by stable, but Idol dropped down to 3.9.  It premiered at 7.9, and the first Hollywood week episode was rated at 6.1.

  • calliebeckett

    It’s the syndication that’s been helping The Big Bang Theory. TBS reruns these episodes day by day and it’s one of it’s top shows ratings wise, lol.

    Some people are celebrating this as a “scripted” show beat some “lame singing reality show”. Whatever the quality of said scripted show, as long as it beats a reality show, some will applaud it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    The drops in viewers are continuing. They spent a lot of money on a judging panel and there isn’t anything to show for it, so far. Maybe the ratings will pick up during the live shows. With Survivor coming up and The Voice starting back again, ratings might get even worse.   

    I’m thinking that the judge shake-up could hurt The Voice. A large part of what makes the judging panel work on The Voice is the chemistry between the judges.

  • Larc

    I still don’t consider Scotty a WGWG.

    I don’t either.  He very rarely plays one when he’s performing now.  Before he was on Idol, Scotty usually accompanied himself on guitar.  But he has a band now, so doesn’t need to accompany himself anymore.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NO4G73GL7KDSP4K3ERYEZJ5FYY Joseph

    Idol also had the most to lose. Plus, you know, twelfth season.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I’ve never enjoyed The Big Bang Theory or Two and a Half Men … too sophomoric. Guess that’s why they’re popular.

    AI is a silly, cheesy reality type/singing contest show. Guess that’s why it’s popular.

    TV viewers enjoy comedies, mindless reality shows or silly dance or singing competitions. It’s all the same. One isn’t any better than  the other.

  • LeahKittyS

    I have to say while I don’t tune in to the new episodes because of Idol, I absolutely love it when I can catch in reruns. As a young woman with Asperger Syndrome, with a clique of guy friends on the autism spectrum, my parents and I can totally relate to the main characters and their comedic nerdiness. In Sheldon I find a kindred spirit, and I’m sure there are others who feel that way.

  • Hazehel

    All this emphasis on demo puzzles me a little.  I’m not as interested in Idol’s demo as I am in the total number of viewers.

    The drop in total viewers number is just as bad as the 18-49 demo – 26-27% for the first two Hollywood week shows.

  • fantoo1

    I don’t see why The Voice would have much of an impact, they will be airing a different day. Idol also stayed stable from last years survivor premiere.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    The drops in viewers are continuing. They spent a lot of money on a
    judging panel and there isn’t anything to show for it, so far. 

    That doesn’t make sense.

    AI had a smaller drop for the premiere than the year before. It went back to a season-to-season drop in it’s normal range. During the height of the Great Online Nikki Bitchfest the ratings actually held up BETTER episode to episode than it had during previous seasons. AI also had more buzz these last few weeks than it’s seen in years.

    The judges did their job.

    This is the part where the ratings draw shifts to the contestants and to the way the producers chose to edit them.

    Years ago there was great online enthusiasm and anticipation for a movie called “Snakes On A Plane”. Remember that? The industry was convinced it was going to be a blockbuster based on the massive internet hype. Then it came out and tanked. People complaining on the internet should not be confused with actual audience polling. They can sound way bigger than they actually are.

  • fantoo1

    It premiered at a 7.4, it was 7.9 because of the football lead in. And I meant stable as far as idol seeing the normal drops it does every season. Perhaps I should have worded it better.

  • http://twitter.com/desireechick Kesia Monteith

    “Though I will say this, I tried to watch some of mjs clips from this week and got bored. And that Charlie Askew guy cant sing, I don’t know why people love him so much. Heh.”
    Because he’s different. LOL I’m not much of a fan of his either.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    The Voice has had an impact all along. It has had an impact on AI and on X Factor last fall. Depending on how the new judges work and how the season goes, it could pull viewers from AI. There are many tv viewers that don’t care to watch a singing contest four nights a week.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    One isn’t any better than the other.

    To me it is, or I’d be watching The Big Bang Theory. I don’t know what this debate is about.

  • Larc

    When Idol is running, I’m mainly interested in knowing how it is measurably faring.  Other than iTunes tracks Idol sells during the season, music buyers really come into play only after the season ends.  And that’s actually external to the show itself.  Younger viewers may help put money into the pockets of the “bigwigs” in season, but their real benefit to contestants mostly comes after.  During the show, contestants directly benefit — or not — from people watching and voting.  Age of voters doesn’t matter.  An “old” vote counts just as much as a “young” one.

  • dishwalla

    I think it’s because Charlie Askew tries to portray himself as this social outcast, outsider type. 

     

  • Karen C

    I don’t see why The Voice would have much of an impact, they will be airing a different day.

    I think the impact is more that Idol is now not the only show of it’s kind and viewers might be becoming oversaturated with this type of show.  For me as a viewer, I am especially finding the auditions to be this way.  I just feel I’ve seen so many this year with all the shows. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    To me, and obviously many others, it isn’t.

  • Hazehel

    And I meant stable as far as idol seeing the normal drops it does every season. Perhaps I should have worded it better.

    Since season 11 suffered a steep drop in ratings from season 10, I don’t see how “stable” in this case (whatever you mean by it) can be a good thing.  

    Ratings drop from Season 10 to Season 11 - 

    Premier – -23%
    First Hollywood Wednesday show – -25%
    Top 13 performance show – -30%
    Top 3 performance show – -34% 
    Finale – -30%

  • mjsbigblog

    An R&B singer, who happens to play a guitar would be tossed into that category? 

    Because those contestants you named, with the exception of maybe, Jimmy Smith bear no resemblance to past winners. Also, just because a contestant is pictured holding a guitar, doesn’t mean they play it much.

    Initially, the WGWG deal was reserved for Idol rock singers. The net keeps getting wider, and wider, and wider, to where it seems, that any light skinned male is going to be shoved into that category.

  • fantoo1

    I wasn’t saying that. The normal ratings pattern for any season is high auditions, drops for Hollywood, then gradually drops for the lives. Season 11 saw that pattern.

  • mjsbigblog

    Demo would become a concern only if it sank low enough to endanger Idol’s survival.

    I care about the demo, because advertisers care about the demo.  

    Networks make decisions about whether to renew a show or not based on the key demo numbers.  It may seem unfair, but that is the way it is.

  • Anny_nanny

    Scotty is not WGWG! We had two “orthodox” WGWG (Lee, PP), two “soft” WGWG (DavidC, Kris) and “joined to them Scotty”. LOL

  • potatorocks

    I’m not sure there is a tougher show for Idol to go up against —if the people I talk about tv with are any indication, the Big Bang Theory is enjoyed by a fifty year age span(at least).  That used to be Idol…the show that grandma and grandkid could discuss.

    Idol is old.  All the changes may have kept it alive this long.  It’s demise will not be because of Nikki.  She may actually save it. 

    If I am going to blame anyone for the decline it is Taylor Hicks rallying his Soul Patrol cause I think the game changed after that.

  • irockhard

    Idol rock singers? I don’t consider James a WGWG.

  • standtotheright

    During the show, contestants directly benefit — or not — from people watching and voting.

    They directly benefit from people buying their songs on iTunes, too. Which, again, probably has some concordance with whether or not those viewers buy music in general.

    The thing is that the vast majority of viewers neither vote nor buy music. But there’s more reliable market research on music purchases with which to draw conclusions about demo ratings and the potential for contestants selling their music after the show than there is market research on telecommunications voting with which to draw conclusions about overall viewers and the potential for contestants receiving votes during the show.

  • irockhard

    LOL. I’m not sure I would call DC “soft”, he rocked harder than all the other WGWGs though he didn’t rock hard enough for me to call him a rocker, at least not on the show. Paul McDonald was the S10 WGWG.

  • Karen C

    Also, just because a contestant is pictured holding a guitar, doesn’t mean they play it much.

    Also, it isn’t unusual that someone who is interested in music as a career would not only sing but play an instrument.  I would think the majority of musicians do both, especially if they are also songwriters.

  • blackberryharvest

    Honestly, the drop last night wasn’t THAT bad from last week. 9% isn’t horrible, and it was 13.8 million total viewers last week, so most of the total viewers were retained. 

  • Tess

    Actually WGWG started as a derogatory description of Kris what’s his fanny towards the end of season 8.  It was mentioned on a blog or some comments and it just exploded from there.  Then when season 9 came along and everyone was a song-writer with a guitar the term just became part of our lexicon.  It was never about rock singers or country singers (who doesn’t play the guitar in country music?) but about a subset of milk toast white guys with mediocre talent who play for the coffee house set.  How it came to encompass all white guys on Idol is more about the laziness of posters than anything.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Devin isn’t one who just holds a guitar. He plays it and sings along with the guitar. He might not bring it out during the performances, if he even makes it to the top 10. Charlie’s picture is of him playing a guitar, but maybe it is just a “for fun” picture and he doesn’t play at all, IDK. I have no idea if he actually plays or not. If Jimmy or Paul play, they are country guys who play guitar, stil a WGWG.

    My original comment was: I’m just saying watch out for it. lol

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    Continuing fall of Idol makes me very happy, especially since it is getting beat by my favorite show.  And every single WGWG that this show so despises will still be around after Idol is long forgotten.

  • blackberryharvest

    Even if it does fall, it will still be around for many seasons, it still isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

  • MellyPer1692

    Omg, I don’t think the show despises WGWGs. They’ve always gotten spots to perform, their pictures are on backdrops, they’ve been asked by Idol to participate in events including Idols Give Back and others. This meme of mistreatment has gotten old.

  • girlygirltoo

    I personally think that the past WGWG winners all sing better than most of the guys I heard last night. There was a LOT of off key singing and a lot of unnecessary vocal runs last night. There were a few guys who I thought had really strong and/or interesting voices, but they were in the minority.  From the little I’ve seen of this year’s female contestants, there seems to be a lot more potential there then there is with the guys.

    But it is still very early days yet, so my opinion might change. Just saying that having a good voice and being able to play an instrument are not mutually exclusive things, you know?

  • curly_yenta

    You and me both.  I’m quite curious how all the contestants that still rely on Idol for promo and/or association will do after the show gets cancelled.  That’s really the test of longevity and long term success IMO.  The show is just a shell of it’s former self and really, to save its place in TV culture, it should call it a day. The writing is on the wall.  The best shows of the past often go out ‘on top’ and not wait until they’re an embarrassment.  Seinfeld, for one.

  • girlygirltoo

    I think BBT is a very good show with excellent writing. But a lot of the jokes go over my head.

  • girlygirltoo

    Not really. If he did, then Javier and Jermaine would not have won the 1st 2 seasons.

    And The Voice’s ratings are inflated by the media for the simple reason that pretty much every other show on NBC gets such bad ratings that the mediocre numbers The Voice pull in look fantastic by comparison. In reality, Idol is still getting as good as, if not better than, ratings than The Voice

  • BonnieDee

    That’s exactly the way I feel about Nicki Minaj.  

  • Hazehel

    Actually WGWG started as a derogatory description of Kris what’s his fanny towards the end of season 8.

    I don’t remember that, the first I heard “white guy with guitar” was towards the end of Season 9.  The acronym WGWG didn’t appear until the start of Season 10. 

    his fanny

    That would sound positively rude in the UK. 

  • girlygirltoo

    lol, neither David or Kris are “soft” WGWG. David Cook is far more of an alt rock guy than either Lee or Phillip, while Kris is as much of a singer/songwriter type as they are, although he also likes to do poppier stuff.

    When I think “soft” I think MOR stuff that you would only hear on AC radio. None of these guys qualify as that.

  • blackberryharvest

     

    I’m quite curious how all the contestants that still rely on Idol for
    promo and/or association will do after the show gets cancelled.

    Well we won’t know for quite a few years still-the show isn’t ending anytime soon. It still gets better ratings than The Voice overall, they aren’t going to end it while its “on top” either.

  • Anny_nanny

    I say that for David and Kris guitar was optional attribute, it’s not about the style of the performance – Phillip and Lee are singers w/guitar. For me it is even more strange that on the pictures from the studio I saw Phillip sitting at the piano, I don’t think he had lunch.

  • girlygirltoo

    well then the term shouldn’t be used for any of the past Idols, since none of them are “milk toast white guys with mediocre talent who play for the coffee house set”. They are all very talented, whether or not their music appeals to a broad range of the music buying or listening public.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    I do understand the demo thing. But, would a network actually cancel its most-watched television show that draws in twice the number of viewers as any of its other shows, and usually wins its night if not the week?  Also, it seems that having 14 mil people watching a show is a good way to lead in a new show that might be more appealing to the ideal demographic.  Didn’t they do that with New Girl? 

  • blackberryharvest

    You should give her a chance-she has been giving insightful comments and is honest. She is also funny when she needs to be, but serious when she needs to be also.

  • blackberryharvest

    Lol, seriously. 

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    You are right, only two WGWG got bad treatment: Kris and Lee.  And yeah, winners have to be on the backdrop, not losers.

  • Anny_nanny

     I think I used the wrong word which has led to confusion. I presented my
    idea above – I talked about the extent ???????????? performers to the
    guitar, it seemed to me it should be clear from the example of Scotty.

  • blackberryharvest

    Kris was brought back to perform in Seasons 9(twice) and 11, and was brought in the audience in Season 10 and got a shout out. The Lee thing was dumb, but he at least got to perform in Season 10.

  • irockhard

    Not really. If he did, then Javier and Jermaine would not have won the 1st 2 seasons.

    He didn’t start manipulating the format until S3.

  • irockhard

    OK I think I understand what you meant now.

  • standtotheright

    For the benefit of musical listeners everywhere, I propose a moratorium on the descriptors “hard” or “soft” regarding any type of pop-rock-songwriter antecedent music.

    In the 70s, the terms maybe actually meant something: “Hard rock” was done by bands with lots of amplifiers tied to blues-inspired chord progressions and “soft rock” was done by artists who were bringing a slightly more conventional pop sensibility to folk music.

    Rounding on 40 decades later, with intervening bouts of freakfolk and powerpop and shoegaze and chillwave and symphonic metal and mathcore and all these other minor genres that mixed things up, they’re meaningless.

    Radio format labels are a lot more helpful than trying to deal with everyone’s individual spectrum of melodicism/aggressiveness/what have you.

  • Anny_nanny

    To contact the winner received bad treatment he does not need to be WGWG, enough so that his name was Taylor. Period.

  • girlygirltoo

    The way WGWG is used as a derogatory term just ticks me off. Because, hello, a large percentage of the professional musicians that we buy albums from, go to see in concert and hear on the radio could actually be described as WGWG, whether they are hard rockers, singer/songwriters, country artists or whatever.

    Bob Dylan is a WGWG. John Lennon & Paul McCartney – WGWGs. Keith Urban – WGWG. Billie Joe Armstrong – WGWG. Kurt Cobain – WGWG. Elvis Presley – WGWG.  Marcus Mumford – WGWG. John Mayer – WGWG. Brad Paisley – WGWG. Etc etc etc. Pretty much from the 1950s through 2013, WGWGs have been a mainstay of mainstream music. Nobody seemed particularly bothered by this fact all those decades, so why should it be a problem all of a sudden?

  • curly_yenta

    Ha so true. I guess we can clump white guys with harmonica’s in there also. 

    I think WGWG is a moniker for anyone that is actually ‘musician’, as opposed to just a vocalist or stage performer. That’s how I interpret it, anyway. It’s actually a compliment if you think about it.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    Isn’t it only because VFTW coined the term that people see it as derogatory? They liked Kris. Once 3 white guys who played guitar won, they were even more inspired to keep the streak going as that would ruin the producers plan to have a diverse group of winners in their stable. But, really, I don’t think it was ever meant as derogatory.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Kris? Why? He has been brought back to perform on AI on numerous occasions. Kris was matched up with good writers and producers for his debut album and was given a great single to start his career off with. He had all the usually promo opportunities that all winners get, and even got a special Ford commercial shown every week, which used one of his songs. He had a major radio tour to start off, including too many Jingle Bell Balls to count. He had touring opportunities which included opening for popular bands and artists such as Maroon 5 and Keith Urban and he also had the opportunity to headline his own shows.

    Lee, on the other hand, did get screwed.

  • irockhard

    Alrighty then:

    AAA/Alt. Rock: Cook, DeWyze, Philips
    AAA/HAC: Allen
    Country: McCreery
    Mainstream Rock: Daughtry
    Active Rock: Durbin, We Are The Fallen (Carly Smithson’s band)

  • mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    Can we stick to discussing Season 12 please? I’m going to close this thread for a minute to clean it up.

  • standtotheright

    I’d generally agree with that, yeah. At least left to their own devices.

  • mjsbigblog

    I don’t know about that. I know that Harry’s Law had great viewer numbers, but because the demo sucked, it was cancelled.

    For the viewer number to trump the demo, it would have to be huge. Advertisers are just not interested in pitched to folks over 50.

  • shell29

    For me it’s simple: a WGWG is a White Guy With Guitar. It doesn’t matter to me whether they’re country, alt rock, pop or R&B. But the definition on the Idol blogs and message boards keeps changing. First it was code for “boring plaid wearing guy who didn’t deserve to win” (at the time an obvious dig at Kris Allen specifically). After Lee flopped he was lumped in with Kris while David Cook (another White guy who happens to play guitar) was excluded because he was a *successful* winner. Then he gets dropped, Scotty wins and with four White male winners in a row they all start getting lumped together (much to the chagrin of some fans who still see the WGWG label as a badge of dishonor reserved for the so-called *unsuccessful* Idol winners).

  • elliegrll

    I do understand the demo thing. But, would a network actually cancel its most-watched television show that draws in twice the number of viewers as any of its other shows, and usually wins its night if not the week?  Also, it seems that having 14 mil people watching a show is a good way to lead in a new show that might be more appealing to the ideal demographic.  Didn’t they do that with New Girl? AI is Fox’s highest rated show in the demo and total number of viewers, so it’s not going anywhere. The only show on Fox that does better is Football. In the past, AI’s inflated ad rates allowed Fox to hold on to poor performing shows, like Fringe, so that’s where these ratings will hurt the most.  As Tinawina said, AI will still be in the top 5 rated shows for the week, and season, and the show’s ad rates are still among the highest.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    Well, it’s going to be interesting to see if the show can draw in a younger crowd with Nicki.  I hope so!

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    This makes me feel better because…. to quoth the blog… I love this cheesy show.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Wow, I was writing my post when I saw yours but I saw the whole WGWG the same.

    It’s amazing that fans of WGWG sees things differently than the rest of
    us. Personally I could care less if Idol crowns another WGWG anymore because you know they will. Out of all the WGWGs I wouldn’t call David Cook soft. He wasn’t hard Rock but he had a little something special. “Music of the
    Night” showed me he had it.  Not that the other WGWGs aren’t talented
    but they come a dime a dozen. The WGWG started during S8 and it was in
    reference to Kris (the cute WGWG) by a blogger. When Kris won(overwhelming not the favorite by the buying public or the media)fans who refused to call Kris by his name started calling him the WGWG. Then came
    S9 which was packed with singer songwriters and Lee got tagged with it.
    So now you have Lee and Kris who both didn’t live up to their winning potential were the milktoast mediocre WGWG who were not the best their season. Poor Cook got lumped in this group after his 2nd era. I notice a lot of Cook fans who like the WGWGs voted for Kris and Lee and in their efforts to get the win diluted Cooks brand. I don’t have a problem with WGWGs I have a problem with the predictability of them winning which takes the fun out of watching the show. Even if you think that there is this special girl or guy not WGWG chances are they ain’t going to win.

  • blackberryharvest

     From tvmedia insights

    ·AMERICAN IDOL: 4.1/12, down -9% from last week’s fast
    nationals (4.5/13) but retained 96% of last week’s Total Viewers (13.2
    vs. 13.7 Mil.)
    -Season to date, AMERICAN IDOL is averaging a
    5.2/14 in its first 13 hours, within -13% of its average during the same
    period last season (6.0/16)
    -In fact, this season of IDOL is UP +2% vs last season in Adults 18-34 (4.4/14 vs. 4.3/14) during the first 13 hours.

    So that is good news that it is up in the 18-34 demo from last year. Looks like Nicki is working somewhat on getting younger viewers. Maybe the average age will actually go down this year. And in total viewers it is only down 4% from last week.

    Also good news that the average isn’t down too much from last year-13% seems like the normal season to season drop.

    It will be interesting to see what happens next week. Next Thursday is Valentines day, so ratings will be down across the board. So don’t freak if idol is in the high 3′s next Thursday…

  • elliegrll

    Thanks for bringing in more perspective.  I think it’s just shocking to see AI with a 4.1, and it’s easy to forget the ratings from last season.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    It is nice that Idol has such dedicated fans that will be watching and defending the show doesn’t matter what.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    To   Annie:  I don’t think Nikki is unlikeable.  I think she’s different.  I think had she not been known before AI — it would be better.  In other words, she’s the new Simon Cowell and nobody knew Simon.  Had Nikki been”new” and unknown, she would be accepting.She’s very “in your face” not mean….we have to see what she says during the real show….but she’s definitely getting her “space” and taking up a lot of talk time.  Maybe that’s intentional….and I can still see the tension between her and Mariah….I don’t think that’s good for the show, esp. when the camera catches them both eyeing each other.
    I’m not quite with Nicki’s attire.  But it appeals to the younger folk.

  • Anny_nanny

    Sorry, was it for me? Why? I don’t remember that I said something about Nikki or about someone from the judges, only about old contestants. My glory flies in front of me! LOL

  • elliegrll

    It would have been better if Nicki was hired as a judge two seasons ago.  Of course she wasn’t as well known then, but the problem now is that too much damage has been done to the show.  It’s going to be hard for any show that has been on the air 12 seasons/11 years to draw new viewers, but AI has picked up a lot of baggage the past few years, which isn’t going to lead to younger viewers watching or talking about it.

    The past few winners, the song choices, and the image that this show no longer appeals to everyone is not something that is going to entice new viewers.

  • mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    American Idol isn’t going to be cancelled any time soon. That possibility is not even part of the conversation right now.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Thank you, MJ!  I am addicted to the show – enough to go to the movie theater Priemiere.  I still find it entertaining and sometimes just plain fun.  I am slowly getting use to Nicki.   Once the live shows start, maybe those who left because of Nicki, might return because of the terrific contestants!  I am hopeful.

  • nyc57

    I love TheBig Bang Theory.It is by far my favorite show and it is the only comedy i watch.I think it is one of those shows you either love or hate.
    Yes ,they are all very immature but so were the cast of Seinfeld,the Honeymooners and probably every good comedy.The actors are all excellent and Jim Parsons is a comedic genius.Most of all it is just laugh out loud funny.

  • LeahKittyS

    So I’ve heard. How much longer do you think it has? The number I’m hearing around is Season 15 before the possibility of cancellation arises.

  • sweetmusic

    The show won’t be dropped–but it’ll probably cut to the chase in future years. The auditions and Hollywood week will be cut back further. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    TBBT is the new Friends for me; that’s why I love it so much!!! It is the anticipation of when they going to “do it” that made the fans kept viewing.  It’s similar to the Ross/Rachel saga.

  • WD79

    CBS, CBS, CBS, CBS. Not that I’m complaining since I do love CBS shows. :)