Ryan Seacrest Interviews Ken Warwick About the Twist - One Time Only Veto Power?

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Ryan Seacrest interviewed Ken Warwick on his radio program today.   Ken says the “new rule” that will be introduced tonight came about to solve a “problem that’s been around since Season 1.”

Ken says they tried the rule out in the French version of Idol first.

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According to the Wikipedia entry for Nouvelle Star, in the last series, the judges were able to exercise a one time veto on an eliminated contestant at any point in the competition.   The judges used their veto during the first week, sparing a contestant named Kristov, who was eventually eliminated 3 weeks later.

According to poster Valentin432, here’s how the new rule worked in   France:

The judge get a veto power, it means that they can save one contestant during the whole season.

It works the following way, after the contestant(s) was eliminated, the judges have a meeting and decide if he is worth saving or not. If they decide he deserved it they give him another chance and the following week they start the show with the same contestants.

If it is a one-time only veto, I’m still not liking it, but I can live with it–much better than a weekly sing-off between the bottom dwellers, with the judges choosing who goes home.

Of course, the American version of the rule might be tweaked a little. For instance, a double elimination would occur the next week to make up for the reprieve since AI cannot be extended another week.

If a rule like this had been in place in prior seasons, Tamyra Gray, Jennifer Hudson, Chris Daughtry, Michael Johns, and Constantine Maroulis may have lasted on the show longer…

But then, what’s American Idol without it’s yearly shock boot?   That’s controversy right there.   And AI thrives on controversy…

 
  • widz

    I like shock eliminations, but yeah. I can live with the rule..Teehee

  • itsalleternal

    Still don’t like it. Sometimes a controversial elimination can create more buzz and interest in him or her post-Idol and result in bigger careers in the end.

  • savgal

    Very interesting! Thanks for the reference to the French Idol rule, mj.
    Re: Chris Daughtry, still feel gypped that it was not a Yamin-Hicks-Daughtry final three, because it would have been like the clash of the titans. But, in Chris’ case, really did turn out for the best, being ousted earlier, because the publicity was incredible and then when he came back to the finale and sang with Live it was awesome, and then he made all the talk shows and got exposure. Voter complacency seemed to be the thng with Chris’ early departure, but also Hicks and Yamin really stepped it up that week and gave as good or better performances. It is Kat McPhee having more votes that really stunk. I dunno, isn’t it better to leave the public wanting more, rather than overstaying your welcome? On the fence about the judge veto… on the other hand, if a judge sticks their neck out for a contestant, maybe it spurs them to not let that judge down and really bring it the next time. I think having 13 instead of 12 was an early exercise of the veto. Unfortunately, Anoop’s song was not well-received.

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    I am ok with it, even though I still think Constantine is a bit greasy, I did look forward to his entertainment each week, the same with Chris and MJ – all that you listed really. It seems to have been better for the contestant to get the boot early but not for Idol in dollars and cents maybe? I agree they thrive on the drama of an early booting but then they also lose a lot of viewers when a fav that is so good is gone, some viewers dont want to watch anymore, so it can go both ways there.

  • jpfan

    The one shot veto is better than all the other horrible choices. However,
    I agree that it’s better to leave unfairly too early than to stay even though you were voted off. The person who leaves that week will get alot of sympathy.
    Daughtry and Hudson leaving too early didn’t hurt them too much did it? But staying when they received the lowest votes might have.

    It’s all just dramatic junk since they manipulate the show so much already, they really don’t need a veto.

  • bestboy

    hmmm how much longer would Tamyra Gray stay…had Kelly already established a strong enough following to take the contest…how would the idol world be different without Kelly?

  • psnax

    I’m probably the least qualified person to comment as I’ve only actually watched one entire season and the rest of my knowledge comes from catching snippets and fab websites like this one but ….

    While the veto power may be an interesting idea it seems to me that all it really does is add to the notion that the producers want to have as much control as possible over the outcome of this season without going as far as to take it out of America’s hands completely. And while I have no clue what the producers are thinking the only reason I can think of why they would make all these changes that absolutely scream manipulation (at least to me) is because they are petrfied of what they may perceive as the “post-superstar slump.”

    Let’s think about it: AI is (supposedly) about finding the next great recording artist. While I think that all 7 winners have had great success in their chosen paths I frequently get the impression from comments I hear and read that the producers think they have only produced 3 “stars” as winners – Kelly, Carrie and David – and they won 3 years apart. If the producers do in fact think this way, it seems to me that they are worried about America choosing another two years of “non-stars” and want as much control as possible to prevent that.

    If the producers do think this way and their efforts to change the cycle fail, I might be mildly amused. If the producers don’t think this way then I have no clue why they are choosing to make all these types of changes.

  • cheese

    I don’t mind a one time veto if it will spare us all the tiresome “shocking boot” press 6 weeks from now. I do think it would be less controversial if they use it early. (I could almost see them saving Allison if she comes up for a boot tonight)

  • bestboy

    It seems a bottom three sing off would encourage more voting to keep your favorite out of the bottom three – while the judges veto allows for more complacency – no way they’ll send the favorite home…

  • folk

    except of course it is a lie that anoop was the 13th person…he was not actually the last minute person….jasmine was.

  • Duke

    No! I thought it was going to be the btm 2 sing off with judges elimination ea week. poop!

  • Dr. Tracey

    I do like it better than the sing off thing.
    So will it be one veto period or one veto per judge? I’m thinking one only.
    I still think it gives them too much power and i’m left pondering why they need so much power this season but wth do I know.
    The shock elimination could come after the veto I suppose, thus ensuring even more drama.

  • tinawina

    I don’t mind that.

  • Hannah Palindrome

    I like it. I think viewers vote for different reasons. I think the judges can be objective…well not Paula & her love for Danny.

  • widz

    Letà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s think about it: AI is (supposedly) about finding the next great recording artist. While I think that all 7 winners have had great success in their chosen paths I frequently get the impression from comments I hear and read that the producers think they have only produced 3 à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“starsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  as winners – Kelly, Carrie and David – and they won 3 years apart. If the producers do in fact think this way, it seems to me that they are worried about America choosing another two years of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“non-starsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and want as much control as possible to prevent that.

    But seriously, I haven’t seen ANYONE from this season that I can imagine being out there on the radio, etc.

    I mean I can kinda see Anoop with Ne-Yo type of songs on the radio since I’ve heard his home-recordings and studio recordings with his college a capella group, but I just don’t think I’ve seen enough of the contestants ON THE SHOW (not pre-idol) to judge which one of them has a chance to be successful.

    So how exactly do TPTB know which contestant is going to be successful in the musci industry? After only one performance during the Top 36. This is why I hate this season’s format, we don’t get to know the contestants enough.

  • abbysee

    Okay, let me see if I am clear. This option will be proposed tonight, but not necessarily utilized tonight? So that in the future say, three or four weeks hence, Danny, Alexis or Adam lay a stink bomb and the voters boot them, Simon and his band of merry men can save them from the chopping block and boot someone else. Hmmm. Don’t they have enough power? Or, correct me if I am wrong, the American voting public screw it up constantly, and they have to clean up our mess? I was actually starting to warm to this season and now this. Too much freaking power. Don’t they know that absolute power corrupts, absolutely?

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    I really dont care if any of them are on my radio later on, I already have my favs that I listen to there, as long as they entertain me on this show, here and now, then, they can stay, in my very small book at least. So, if they save someone who has been entertaining us that would be fine with me, this has become more about entertainment anymore than the best voice in America really.

  • tinawina

    I frequently get the impression from comments I hear and read that the producers think they have only produced 3 à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“starsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  as winners – Kelly, Carrie and David – and they won 3 years apart.

    Jordin should be on that list. I think she was the one with the best shot from her year.

    But seriously, I havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seen ANYONE from this season that I can imagine being out there on the radio, etc.

    Hmmm. I see Lil Rounds blowing up on urban radio easily, I dunno about pop. I think Megan could sell records. Jasmine is more Keke Palmer-ish than anything… she should get a show on Nickelodeon. Maybe Alexis if they de-sluttify her. She is not a convincing sex kitten, too girl next door. The type of music Adam would sell is not the type Idol would ever let him make. I do think Danny could be ok on radio with the right song. But I’m not seeing mega star with him. Maybe Matt G vocally, but I am still not getting a whole lot of charisma from that guy. Anoop… maybe, but I need some convincing there. Allison definitely in a few years.

    Funny, in a year that’s supposed to be all about the guys, the only ones I see as solid radio bets are girls. Megan really is the most pop star one to me, and she’s never gonna win.

  • widz

    ^Hmm, true that sumidol.

    I think this season, they don’t care whether the winner will be a dud or not. They’ve got Kelly, Carrie, Jordin and David who are all still in the media a lot and making/performing music. And they’ve still got Fantasia, Daughtry, and even Ruben is putting out an album in May with 19 Recordings/Hickory Records, whilst Taylor Hicks is making music on his own now.

    So I think they don’t really care if they get a ‘non-star’ winner this year, I think (hope) they will have their own Chris Daughtry success with a contestant from season eight this year but in a different genre.

  • Tess

    If anyone has ever seen a publicized vote tally from American Idol, I would love to see it. This is an entertainment show, not a political election and the votes are never made public. Who’s to say that certain eliminations, in the past, have been done without regard to the tallies.

    Also, as people have stated before, web sites like VFTW have skewed the votes in the past to the extent that Sanjaya and Scott Sobel (sp) and Kristie Cook stayed on way too long.

    If I was putting a million bucks on the line to promote a singer I’d want some kind of guarantee that there is a legitimate audience waiting for them after Idol is done. And yes the voting public can be really stupid sometimes. There are legitimate arguments out there that rarely has the best person won the competition.

  • psnax

    ^^ tinawina and widz I totally agree with you about all the other “stars” that have been born from Idol. I just wonder if the producers think they only get one every 3 years in the form of a winner and that is why they are taking more control … of course, I may have gone off on a tangent that hasn’t even crossed the producer’s minds!

    I will be interested to see who gets “saved” and how long they last – could it be so manipulated that the one who is “saved” ends up winning, enabling the judges to tell America “we told you so.” Would we ever really know if it was manipulated that way and not the real vote counts?? (Of course it is definitely possible that the one who is “saved” really does win.)

    Sheesh, they might just get me to tune on occasion to see what goes on!

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=587900002&ref=name cruzceleste

    mmm I don ´t really care, because for me everybody has gone in the right time… I wasn ´t shocked with Michael Johns elimination and I wouldn ´t care if Anoop or Danny were to go home today so… Is still the boring show that have being this season… still prety much Zzzzzz

  • kimberann

    ^^I think the days of a new idol selling over 2 platinum are over. The last new idol to do so was Daughtry. Jordin and Cook have both sold just platinum. Sales are down but there are artists still selling over double platinum. (And I am a fan of Cook and Jordin) I think AI is losing it’s appeal once the show ends.

  • minzhi

    I’m gonna make a prediction. NONE of the contestants of Season 8 will do well in the charts, nor sales. The winner will struggle to hit gold.

    Sorry, but this Top 13 is really NOT doing it for me. Gosh. And it doesn’t help that they are pimping Danny and Adam so hard when they aren’t actually that impressive. None has done an Imagine or Billy Jean yet. I don’t like Jason Castro off Season 7, but I think even he is better than all the Top 13 this year.

    Honestly, I can’t be bothered who goes home tomorrow. Nobody made me want to stand up and clap. In fact, I wish we can just go to the Final 2 next week (since they have already decided on a Danny/Adam face-off) and bear me all the drama. They can crown who they want, but they won’t be getting my money for sure. I rather buy spend my money buying the upcoming Michael Johns record, or buy another David Cook than waste money on the contestants this year.

    Just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. Cheers!

  • widz

    I think AI is losing ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s appeal once the show ends.

    This. I’m only watching the show to catch on some DC pimping (haven’t seen that lately) and to reminisce about my faves (also Jordin, David and Elliott, Carrie).

    Gosh, I became a fan of Anoop not really based on his AI performances, but his pre-Idol songs (not just Clef Hangers a capella music, but his solo music). I really don’t want AI to go down the toilet, but could they really be doing this on purpose? To make way for their planned NOW TV series? Heh.

    ETA: Whoa Minzhi, I kinda agree with you there..:D

  • tinawina

    ^^I think the days of a new idol selling over 2 platinum are over. The last new idol to do so was Daughtry. Jordin and Cook have both sold just platinum. Sales are down but there are artists still selling over double platinum. (And I am a fan of Cook and Jordin) I think AI is losing ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s appeal once the show ends.

    I actually agree with the idea that AI is losing its selling power. But I do think it is possible though that another instant mega seller will come from idol one day, it just would be a little trickier. To me, what made Carrie and Daughtry explode out the gate like that was not idol per se (though it helped alot), but the fact that they each were highly marketable people who made hit filled albums in big album selling genres, and they connected with non-idol audiences very quickly because of it. But before them, idol winners did very respectably but not mega great. I think we are back to that right now.

  • jpfan

    I see talent in the pimped ones: Lil Rounds, Danny, Adam, Allison
    but I don’t see legitimate recording artists. Even Allison (while good) is just a baby Pink and not that incredible. Matt G, Anoop – what are they bringing that’s new to the very tough r&b market?

    Megan really is the only one that’s fresh and she’s terrible. I just think they’re full up on recording artists and aren’t that interested in new ones. The amount of $ and promo they put in to get their sales is intense. And even platinum albums probably don’t generate huge profits for them. While Cook is doing very well, I can’t imagine them looking forward to marketing the winner from S8.

    So I guess making the TV show dramatic is where it’s at.

  • minzhi

    Hi Widz!! You’ve found me! heheheheee!!

    Yes I agree on Anoop. His videos off youtube is HEAPS better than what I see on Idol so far. If he doesn’t choose the right songs and rises to the challenge, he might get the boot sooner than we know.

    Just checked Dialidol. Looks like America is buying what the judges are saying. Tsk.

  • itsalleternal

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m gonna make a prediction. NONE of the contestants of Season 8 will do well in the charts, nor sales. The winner will struggle to hit gold.

    I totally agree. This season has a good shot at someone blowing from back in the pack (Felicia Barton? Ricky Braddy? even Leneshe Young or David Osmond?) to become the biggest star. I expect the winner to be a flop.

  • adamandeva

    I really think if this is the rule twist. That it gets rid of the shock elimination staple of the show. Meaning either Danny or Adam are saved or both! Since it’s predicted that one of them will be a shock elimination.

    This means the judges REALLY want an Adam vs. Danny finale.

  • widz

    itsalleternal – Yes, I agree. And I’ve always wondered why they cut Leneshe and Deanna Brown in Hollywood Week. With David Osmond, I could understand he was cut because of his family background, but Leneshe, Deanna?

    I saw those two girls as being current..Hmph.

  • tinawina

    Wow. You know, just think of the people who were cut… Leneshe, JuNot, Ricky, Jesse, Kirsten, Felicia.. and think of the performances they could have turned in last night. That is something right there. That’s a lot of good people who got ye olde boot.

  • YellowClouds

    They are killing the show.

  • janerazor

    Even though this is a milder form of judge manipulation, it is still manipulation in my book, and I don’t like it. AI should still be about the number of votes each singer gets, whether that falls into the producers’ plans or not. The show should be about what the voters decide, not what the producers want.

    The cynic in me believes that in some cases the producers have booted whoever they bloody well wanted to boot, regardless of vote totals. And I’ve always had this sneaking feeling that my Elliott was covertly saved once precisely in this manner, for which I start to offer slobbering gratitude to TPTB…and then, ugh, I begin to feel queasy again.

  • Valentin432

    I totally agree. This season has a good shot at someone blowing from back in the pack (Felicia Barton? Ricky Braddy? even Leneshe Young or David Osmond?) to become the biggest star. I expect the winner to be a flop.

    edit: no personal attacks on posters or their opinions please, if you haven’t please read my guidelines…

    We’ve seen Leneshe in a 2 minute audition and 30 seconds in the hollywood round, same for Osmond and you think they have better chances than the 13 finalists?

    It’s easy to predict failure for an idol contestant but so far every season delivered at least one million seller singer.

  • widz

    I’m even upset Brent Keith, Arianna Afsar didn’t make it on the show..they weren’t in their best form during the top 36, but if they were using the old Top 24 format, they might have made it. Junot, Ricky, Felicia, Kristen too.

  • lakies

    Surprised that there is no chatter about Alexis…I think she is the next winner.

  • minzhi

    Yes the Top 36 format is not doing it for me either. They let so many good singers pass by because of this. Well, good luck for the rest. At least I can be sure I don’t have to apply for leave to watch the Finals this year. LOL

  • Dr. Tracey

    Leneshe, JuNot, Ricky, Jesse, Kirsten, Felicia.. and think of the performances they could have turned in last night.

    Too bad there isn’t an Idol Rejects show, i’d be tuning into that instead of Idol.

  • YellowClouds

    Surprised that there is no chatter about Alexisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I think she is the next winner.

    She doesn’t have the personality. I’m getting bitchy vibes
    from her.

  • jpfan

    “Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s easy to predict failure for an idol contestant but so far every season delivered at least one million seller singer.”

    Not every season. S5 didn’t deliver and it took Jordin 68 weeks to sell her million.A million albums is a great achievement in this market but the days of Idols selling 5-7 million albums is done. And it takes alot of work & $ to sell these Idol albums.

    (by the way I pegged Daughtry/Yamin for S5, no one from S6 and the two Davids from S7 as the Idols who could make it as recording artists. So Jordin was a pleasant surprise and maybe someone this season will be too.) I was fairly right on the ones that had no shot as well.

  • sidewalk

    Still hate it but better than the sing-off.
    I like shocker elims. I mean I was a HUGE Daughtry fan and I thought the world was ending when he got voted off, but that was totally the best thing for him and his career, because he got all this worship as the “REAL” American Idol that made for great publicity and a great platform.
    So I kind of hope that the judges stupidly use their veto right off the bat so there is still hope for a shocker…mwuahaha.

  • oceana

    except of course it is a lie that anoop was the 13th personà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦he was not actually the last minute personà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.jasmine was.

    I know. A lie that Ryan perpetuated last night, by making it seem that Anoop was the 13th contestant added at the last minute. I hate it when Idol producers mislead the public so blatantly. Now for the rest of Idol history, it will be a “fact” that Anoop was the 13th contestant, when it’s not true.

  • YellowClouds

    The way this season is going (wildcard, veto) I suggest they just sell IDOLS-1 to 12 back to that sex line and let Kara and the gang decide who’s my next american idol.

  • jpfan

    Getting the boot was the best thing for Daughtry ever. And even Michael Johns uses the “shocking boot” to his advantage. This year the one who goes unfairly because of the “veto” will get the pity part.

  • hypertwink

    I see talent in the pimped ones: Lil Rounds, Danny, Adam, Allison but I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see legitimate recording artists.

    This. I’m a little dubious about the contestant pool and to tell you honestly, what with the changes and stuff, I’m actually afraid for the brand. I mean, a little of the luster was restored last year with the Davids and the new kind of vibe that Brooke and Jason brought to the table but this year sort of stripped it all away again.

  • KrazeeK120

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s easy to predict failure for an idol contestant but so far every season delivered at least one million seller singer.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Not every season. S5 didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t deliver and it took Jordin 68 weeks to sell her million.A million albums is a great achievement in this market but the days of Idols selling 5-7 million albums is done. And it takes alot of work & $ to sell these Idol albums.

    I gotta point out that Chris Daughtry from S5 is a multi-platinum seller. I despise him, actually, but the fact is, he’s sold a heckuva lot of albums.

    IMO, Idol has never had a “shock” boot. No matter who was booted, if you look at the whole situation, it doesn’t become difficult to see why any particular person was eliminated. And I hate producers trying to take control away. THEY put these people in the top 36 so if there’s people there that they don’t want to win, they shouldn’t have put them in in the first place. After the top 36 is announced, it should be completely turned over to America. TPTB already had their shot. JMO.

  • Tess

    Considering we have 8 guys and 5 girls this year in the final 12 (13) I wonder which guys would have already gotten the boot in previous years? And, I’m still glad that I got to hear 36 contestants instead of 24. I wonder which 12 would have been booted on the chairs if we still had the 24? And, since the viewing audience is so much better in picking the real true singers then the judges are I wonder why they didn’t vote in JuNot, Ricky, Jesse, Kirsten, Felicia etc. when they had the opportunity?

    I don’t have anyone to blame but myself if my favorite didn’t make it. I should have voted more often and convinced all my water cooler buddies to do the same.

    I think the bloody “voters” may have gotten it wrong this year but I can’t blame the judges for that.

  • tinawina

    I mean, a little of the luster was restored last year with the Davids and the new kind of vibe that Brooke and Jason brought to the table but this year sort of stripped it all away again.

    That is one of the most confusing things to me. Looking back at last year, the most popular contestants were the ones that showed musicality, and the ones that they could fit in with where pop seemed to be going at that moment (singer songwriters, teen pop, pop rock). The addition of instruments was a big hit. A guy won largely on the buzz around his creativity reflected in his ability to do something different with songs. So why didn’t they follow up with that this year? They went back to the group rounds, which favors pure singers, showed very little instrument playing in hollywood, didn’t let them touch instruments during the semis (and even hid the band for most of it!), and went to a semis format that tends to squeeze out anyone not middle of the road enough. I mean why? Its kinda weird. Not only that, but they seem to be on a mission for Justin Timberlake 2.0 this year – like 3 seasons 2 late. If anything, y’all need to be looking for Lady Gaga Redux. LOL.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    This year the one who goes unfairly because of the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“vetoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  will get the pity part.

    The way they did it in France was to not eliminate ANYBODY the week the judges used their veto.

    Idol will probably do the same, with a double elimination occurring the next week.

  • Soulkaren

    Sorry, but this Top 13 is really NOT doing it for me. Gosh. And it doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t help that they are pimping Danny and Adam so hard when they arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t actually that impressive. None has done an Imagine or Billy Jean yet. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like Jason Castro off Season 7, but I think even he is better than all the Top 13 this year.

    Honestly, I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be bothered who goes home tomorrow. Nobody made me want to stand up and clap. In fact, I wish we can just go to the Final 2 next week (since they have already decided on a Danny/Adam face-off) and bear me all the drama. They can crown who they want, but they wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be getting my money for sure.

    Minzhi ~ I couldn’t agree more! I was already wishing we could bring back two from several of the past seasons and have a re-do!

  • widz

    The way they did it in France was to not eliminate ANYBODY the week the judges used their veto.

    Idol will probably do the same, with a double elimination occurring the next week.

    But wouldn’t that mean they would have to move the Finale? Since the show will go a week later than schedule? I don’t really know, just confused haha

    ETA:

    Minzhi ~ I couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t agree more! I was already wishing we could bring back two from several of the past seasons and have a re-do!

    OMG – that’s actually a great idea. :P

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    “None has done an Imagine or Billy Jean yet.”

    ? – There has only been one show so far, so not yet but I think Adam came pretty close. We also knew last year they wanted a David/David ending and they got it, I was happy with last year – they pimped the right two and I hope they get it right this year, kept me entertained last year, especially with Jason.

  • sparklesgirl2

    Widz, I think they’ll just eliminate two people the next week if they save someone one week. No need for one more week tacked on.

    My question is this: is there a one-time veto for the whole season, or does each contestant get a chance to be saved once? The former is more practical, but how will they know when to use it? I think Allison ought to be saved tonight (if DI is right – and I don’t even like her that much!), but would the judges dare use the veto this early in the competition?

    I wonder if voters got complacent thinking there would be a bottom group singoff, not vote, and now Allison (and others) are in trouble. What do we think?

  • minzhi

    In fact it would be fun to have a special American Idol All-Stars season, featuring all the “losers” to come back for a chance to win. Imagine Clay Aiken, David Archuleta, Jennifer Hudson, Chris Daughtry all coming back on the Idol stage to go through the drama again. Haha… THAT would be really interesting.

    I wonder why they are doing so many things this year. I think it is starting to backfire big time. Bringing the group rounds is wrong. The Top 36 was a disaster. Wild Card was soooo rigged. To make things worse, the pimping is more obvious than ever.

    I say just eliminate two tomorrow. Please stop doing the ridiculous…

  • primeminister

    I really think if this is the rule twist. That it gets rid of the shock elimination staple of the show. Meaning either Danny or Adam are saved or both! Since ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s predicted that one of them will be a shock elimination.

    This means the judges REALLY want an Adam vs. Danny finale.

    Yes, and it SUCKS. I really want Danny to be the shock boot.

  • lancitos

    I don’t know if any of the contestants deserve veto power this year.

    Tamyra sang flat,and chose the wrong song for the night she was eliminated.
    By that time,many girls who thought Justin was cute phoned in.

    We were liking Tamyra until we heard Kelly,who just floored us with her
    voice and talent.

    I don’t see that this time. Adam has a big range,but he sounds almost
    exactly like Sam Harris (and acts kinda like him,too) .

    Sam Harris was supposed to be the next big thing when he went undefeated
    for 13 weeks on Star Search,and then won the whole thing.
    He made at least 2 albums that weren’t huge,then went to Broadway.
    Adam has been in musicals,too. He’s got that same whiny high tenor range,
    and that queenly persona. His sashaying doesn’t help.

    Adam is way too effeminate to be taken seriously by an American audience.
    Anoop would be a great singer if he just got serious about it all.

  • NOLA

    The ratings are dipping. They are doing anything for drama this season, hoping to rope more viewers. Do they really expect us to believe that Sarver beat out Anoop that night? Come on! Anoop won that night; but they schemed up this plan to say he lost by 400 votes….just so they can bring him back for W/C. All drama. No substance.

    I like this season. There is great talent; but TPTB are trying their best to destroy what made this show great in the first place.

  • CRB

    I really like this idea because it means that the producers are finally weaning the Idol fans off the pretense that their voting is determining the outcome of this show. I’ve never felt that was the case, so if “the people” know that the ultimate decision of who goes rests with Warwick & friends they can just relax and enjoy the sideshow. This “saving throw” method for the judges really forces them to lay their cards on the table.

    I also think the “song choice” and the “bad song choice” criticisms of contestants can be pretty much put to bed as well. Jorge almost had the courage to say “the emperor has no clothes” last night but his sack shriveled at the last second. Tatiana’s assertion the week before that the producers wouldn’t clear her a decent song so she just sang the same thing again in conjunction with Jason’s vlog comments left little doubt any way.

  • NM

    Hope is like the UK version of Idol, not the French. Veto is awful.

  • Caffiend

    I also like the idea of an Idol All-Stars, but I would do it with all the people who made it in the Top 24 or 36 but never made it to the Top 10 or 12.

  • Tess

    Adam is way too effeminate to be taken seriously by an American audience.

    Geez…better tell Elton John, Sting, Alice Cooper, David Bowie, George Michael, Barry Manilow, Boy George, Michael Jackson, Prince etc. that America hasn’t ever taken them seriously.

  • Madcap Jester

    Aw, FUCK no. I do NOT want to cheer for Gokey’s elimination, only to find out that he’s saved the next minute (and you know this rule’s only being introduced to save the pimped ones, so it’s either going to be Gokey, Lil, or Adam). HELL to the NO on this rule.

  • Natasha

    How shocking is the shock boot if everyone is waiting for it all season? I’m not sure it’s that shocking anymore. Maybe I’m still upset over Daughtry’s exit but it would have been nice if this had been around then. Of course, I’d be pissed if they used it to save Danny but I don’t think he is going anywhere. In theory this could be used to save someone who is good but just had an off night. In practice it might be completely different though. I don’t know what I think about it.

  • bean99

    None has done an Imagine or Billy Jean yet.

    I guess my opinion is different because I couldn’t stand DA’s “Imagine” last season (don’t mess with Lennon) and didn’t much care for DC’s version of “Billie Jean”. I know there’s been a lot of complaints but I actually think this season is strong.

    I don’t know if I like the 1 time veto because they’ll probably save it for when Adam is booted. :dry_tb:

  • Soulkaren

    Caffiend
    Mar 11th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
    I also like the idea of an Idol All-Stars, but I would do it with all the people who made it in the Top 24 or 36 but never made it to the Top 10 or 12.

    Exactly. That’s what I meant about the re-do…

    I think we ‘lost’ some pretty good singers along the way these past 7 (could it be?) years ~ never heard from some of them again. Wonder how they’d fare now?

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    I don’t think Adam is effeminate, I wasnt slobbering over him by any means but I really didnt know, know that he was gay at first, didnt cross my mind to question it really, just liked the show he put on. So, I do hope they keep this rule and save it for someone like him or anyone else that proves they are entertaining also

  • Valentin432

    If you look at past Idol history, popular contestants who do truly bad (think David C. with innocent or David A. with Work it out) have always been saved by their fanbase.

    The problem was more when a good contestant did a very good performance but was eliminated because his fans were not preoccupied and others did awful and were saved by their fanbase (Carly last year and Jennifer Hud in S3 are exemples). If the judges use it in those cases, I think it can only be positive and most viewers will agree that those contestants deserved the veto.
    For instance, if Allison is eliminated this week, I think 90% of the people would be shocked and wouldn’t mind at all if she gets a second chance.

  • CRB

    I don’t think that the judges should be able to save the wild cards. That amounts to two saves from the judges, everyone else I’m fine with.

  • Tess

    Sam Harris was supposed to be the next big thing when he went undefeated for 13 weeks on Star Search,and then won the whole thing.

    Speaking of Sam Harris…..view this video, its stirring

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2dgVJp16do&feature=channel

  • http://myspace.com/susanatfox sumidol

    I can agree with that CRB, come back and mess up after being given such a chance, yes, dont save them please, even my cutie pie Megan.

  • aly

    Not a huge change, imo. Idol is putting the obvious more
    “out in the open” for those who haven’t caught on. It will
    be a major relief for many once they accept it’s the producers
    call from day one. Not so much stress on fans.

  • janerazor

    Not a huge change, imo. Idol is putting the obvious more
    à ¢Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â€š ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ…“out in the openà ¢Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â€š ¬Ãƒâ€š  for those who havenà ¢Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â€š ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â€ž ¢t caught on. It will
    be a major relief for many once they accept ità ¢Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â€š ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â€ž ¢s the producers
    call from day one. Not so much stress on fans.

    If that is the prevailing thought of TPTB…well, I would say to them that this was supposed to be an interactive televised singing competition, not some Santa Claus-esque bedtime story, and the viewers’ role was to decide the winner, not to be fed some myth like a classroom of wide-eyed preschoolers.

    So, no, I wouldn’t say it will be a “relief” to viewers…more like a disappointment followed by an ever-waning interest.

    Producer manipulation erodes the very heart of fan dedication. The more obviously the producers pimp and tinker and attempt to sway, the less motivation there is even to tune in to American Idol.

  • Natasha

    Adam is effeminate? He has shoulders like a linebacker. Lol.

  • Victoria

    The one-time veto idea could go either way for me. I sort of like it because it means they can save a contestant who shouldn’t go home, but I also don’t like it because if a contestant is good – and likeable – enough their fanbase should get them through.

  • Michelle

    Veto an elimination? But I thought their problem was they needed to get rid of them FASTER now that there’s 13 instead of 12!

    I think this season, they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care whether the winner will be a dud or not. Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve got Kelly, Carrie, Jordin and David who are all still in the media a lot and making/performing music. And theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve still got Fantasia, Daughtry, and even Ruben is putting out an album in May with 19 Recordings/Hickory Records, whilst Taylor Hicks is making music on his own now.

    I don’t think they care at all about post-show viability for this season. This season is strictly about TV show ratings. Hence all the weird gimmicks. Maybe with the Idols they have in the stable they figure they can play around w/the formula this year cause they don’t need/can’t support a new one this year anyway.

  • Caffiend

    For the record, I don’t think Adam comes across as effeminate. He comes across as a nice guy, humble, actually, and gentle. Very likable.

  • thesheriff

    as long as i agree with their veto, it’s fine by me!

  • BootStar

    So will Ryan actually tell us who the scheduled bootee is? Will they call that person out and then “save” him or her before exiting the stage, kinda like it looked like they were going to do with Michael Johns last season, and which they did in effect do with Anoop? (Yes, I know it was all staged, but that’s kinda my point in asking.)

    Because I would think the potential backlash could be fierce. For every voter who is relieved that his or her favorite was spared, there will others who will actively vote for anybody BUT that person. Of course they could just call out the final two (who appear to be the “bottom two”) and spare them both.

    Seriously, all these changes are just giving me a headache. I’ve believed for some time that they’re trying to kill the franchise so they can start up a new X Factor, so maybe this is all part of the plan. Make it all so intolerable Americans are more than happy to say goodbye to the show.

  • hcpoirot

    So this season we might have double elimination twice? That better than the juges had the power to eliminate finalists each week before top 5.

    Too early to predicted that no one will success in this season. each season even not so good one from1 -7 will at least had one top singer in the end. Though maybe their popularity will only last few months or year.

    The real star from AI (in music industry) so far had to be only Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood.

    Other singers had to waited for their second album and singles from that album to prove they can mantain their star status.

    Look how well Ruben, Clay and Fantasia first album sales. And then the fans move to other new singers.

    That also happen to ( smaller extend) Joshua Gracin, Bo Bice, kellie Pickler. Their first album had more than 500000 copies sales. But the second one didnot do even half the amount .

    So Daughtry, Jordin Sparks, and David Cook and Archie had to prove with their second album and other singles.

  • weelassie

    To me, Adam does not come off as looking anything but like a nice guy with a great smile who is darn good looking. I could care less about his sexual preference but I do not in the least find him feminine like.

  • ordinarygirl09

    really its not a big change like I thought it would be, so I like it! That way if there is a bad singer!! TA TA to you!:) or if it is a favorite who just had a bad week then that would be cool to give them another chance! Um so does this mean the finale will end up in June???

    and JUST because someone is gay does not mean that have to be feminine. Its really ignorance on peoples part when they think if someone is feminine they MUST be gay. not true.

    I love Adam, not his voice.

    To me,Carrie and Kelly (eventually maybe David) are only the true stars of AI.

  • CRB

    Caffiend Mar 11th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    For the record, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Adam comes across as effeminate. He comes across as a nice guy, humble, actually, and gentle. Very likable.

    I actually like Adam more than his performances. He seems like a good guy who says what he is thinking rather than what he thinks you might want to hear.

  • janerazor

    Ià ¢Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â€š ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â€ž ¢ve believed for some time that theyà ¢Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â€š ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â€ž ¢re trying to kill the franchise so they can start up a new X Factor, so maybe this is all part of the plan. Make it all so intolerable Americans are more than happy to say goodbye to the show.

    I wonder about this too. It’s as if TPTB are trying to emphasize and exaggerate all the bad cliches that AI has accumulated over the years. The back stories have been OTT. The cannon fodder during the semis was stacked like cordwood. Tatiana and Normund were the longest joke auditions in AI history. The wild card round was really just an excuse for the judges to pick who they wanted to go through. The limited-song-choice issue will no doubt come up again, a la poor Jorge, who nearly just came and said he was given that song to sing (LMAO at Paula’s zip-it reaction). And now the veto (possibly. I guess we will find out tonight). It’s as if the worst things about AI have been turned up to eleven this season.

    Edited to add: Adam doesn’t strike me as feminine at all, but he does strike me as very gay. That’s all fine with me, but AI hasn’t been the nicest to nonheterosexual singers in the past, and the homophobic banter between Ryan and Simon has become a staple form of humor for the show. So Adam’s presence on the show has me wondering what AI’s plans for him are.

    Also, I wouldn’t be shocked if the judges at some point use Alexis’s “dirtying up” against her (like Haley, but more insulting).

  • Michelle

    The limited-song-choice issue will no doubt come up again, a la poor Jorge, who nearly just came and said he was given that song to sing (LMAO at Paulaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s zip-it reaction).

    LOL oh that moment. It does seem they are setting up the ramp and ordering the shark.

  • Niall

    Don’t think this has been addressed yet but…how will the double elimination impact the office pool? I’ve got all my points on one person but with two people going home, will we be getting points for two contestants if we divide our points up and happen to guess two correctly?

  • http://www.myspace.com/gundomom CarieB

    You only have a total of 20 points to play with, regardless of how you spread it around. So if the person you have all your points on does in fact go home tonight, you’ll get the full 20.

  • oceana

    To me,Carrie and Kelly (eventually maybe David) are only the true stars of AI.

    Which David?

    as long as i agree with their veto, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fine by me!

    LOL. Same here.

  • lovegoodmusic

    oceana Mar 11th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    To me,Carrie and Kelly (eventually maybe David) are only the true stars of AI.

    Which David?

    I think the poster was talking about the Idol winners.

  • http://absinthedreamers.blogspot.com/ Starrlight

    Constantine lasted too long. As a Greek I was completely embarrassed by his smarmy hamster faces :P

    Adam is gay. That does not equal effeminate.

  • nomi

    OK, so the judges can save a contestant one time during the season. Perhaps there is nothing inherently wrong with that, but I do wonder what kind of pressures and manipulations the judges would probably employ on the double elimination week that follows. Because that’s certainly what will happen.

  • CynicCritic

    I think a lot of people are missing the point here, Cowell, 19ent. etc who have the finalists contractually tied up, do not want anybody escaping the
    fold early on, especially if that person potentually would be a big dollar
    earner for them. They do not want another Gray, Hudson or Daughtry, slip through their fingers nor the aggravation they had with Clarkson and Aiken!

  • hankjmatt

    It’s too early to predicted that no one will success in this season. each season even not so good one from1 -7 will at least had one top singer in the end. Though maybe their popularity will only last few months or year.
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