News Roundup: Clay Apologizes, Queen is Interested and KRADAM Lives

What??! Hope that Carrie thing is not happening! Seriously, I can’t even imagine Carrie working with that guy. No No No!

Katrina also thinks 100 million people watched the finale. Her math skills are worse than Karaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s!

LOL you know… I wouldn’t be surprised if many people out there believe the show is viewed by 100 million people when they hear they got almost 100 million votes.

Clay’s a douche.
Brian May’s a diplomat.
Bikini Girl’s a tool.
Carrie’s way too smart for that.

ETA: Kradam’s precious.

Hey mj, did you post the access hollywood interviews anywhere?

I wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be surprised if many people out there believe the show is viewed by 100 million people when they hear they got almost 100 million votes.

Same here. Heh

^^Yes, bikini girl is indeed a tool! Kara made her look like the idiot she truly is!

Clay sounds like even more of an ass “apologizing”.

Hee…Clay has Michael Sarver syndrome…doesn’t know when to leave well enough alone.

adam has bothing but nice to those TMZ guys, (kris is not even smiling in the picture), and they are calling adam a loser?!?!*&#%$%!

must. remain. calm.

I always liked Clay and supported him and thought he got robbed but when I heard what he said about Adam, its over.

He’s a shithead of the highest order. He can kiss my fat ass.

Is Rickey on rickey.org correct? Adam is going to tape a concert on the Early Show on Tuesday morning?

Whoo hoo!

Ummmmmmm …… I so disagree that Kara looked like an idiot. That bikini girl pushed her buttons right from the get go and she (Kara) sounded and look great for a 39 year old….not 50! And to sweetin* the deal, she did it all for a charity donation! Win Win situation to me!!!! I laughed a great big belly laugh at that segment!

I don’t know what Clay’s problem is. I’m glad he decided that an apology to Adam may be in order.

Urgh, to think I was a Clay fan. What an ass.

That was the longest apology ever and it wasnt even an apology. Just again trying to back up his original thoughts. But Clay did make some good points, Adam gives a rat’s cootie what Clay thinks.

1) Clay just dropped about a bazillion points in my book. I didn’t mind the “brittney-like” crisis he went thru, or even saying those somewhat negative statements about Adam (i understand he’s not everyones cup o tea), but that apology was pathetic to say the least.

2) Queen would sell their left testicles to have Adam be their front-man. Who else can top Adam right now? Nobody. And although i was completely adverse to Adam accepting the offer, now im thinking it really would be amazing and an absolute Shoe-In for a successful career. So im will to say, Go for it adam! And even if he doesnt, we still get amazing solo stuff.

3) Bikini Girl is a tard. But i would like to see her do playboy. :grin1_ee: And i think its the only shot she has a extending her 1 minutes of fame.

4) And i would take Simon Cowell over Obama any day.

ps. totally off topic – but i have a great idol for this blog. MJ should allow for one fan-wars thread after each season of idol. no holds-bar. haha id probably take off work for that day. plus, we could get it all out of our systems.

TMZ is just trying to ruffle some feathers and get hits on the site. Just look at Adam. Does that look like a loser to you? Well if it does, then I dig losers.

While it would be lovely for you to get it out of your system, and fairly soon, I’d not read it. I’m having fun with this season. I can equally praise and admonish all contestants as the subject moves me. I’ve no investment (nope, not even $0.99 for one song). The last thing I want to see is my dick is longer than yours. It’s so 7th grade.

E News reports that Chris Brown in in the studio working on a country song, and Robert Allen, a writer and producer working with him says Carrie Underwood is a possible duet partner.

Ew. A Chris Brown country song? :laugh_tb:

Poor Carrie. She probably doesn’t even know. If this duet actually happens I’ll be shocked.

I wish the media stopped giving any kind of attention to Bikini Girl. She is NOBODY. Let her disappear where she belongs.

Adam isnt a loser.Both of them are winners.Why isnt Kris smiling?

I’m not sure where to post this, but I was trying to see if you already got Kris Allen’s Ellen performance link up here. I tried to search for it here, but I only found Adam’s phone interview.

Adam isnt a loser.Both of them are winners.Why isnt Kris smiling?

Probably because the paparazzi are up his ass.

I’m very amused with the way MJ’s running with us on the Kradam. :lol_ee:

It’s kinda sad there’s no thread for this here at MJland…don’t know what’s up with that. While I only listened to that song when the two performed it during the final 2 (during the finale performance, I was off cavorting because 1) I was delighted Kris won; and 2) I really didn’t want to hear that song again) Kris didn’t show himself poorly doing it. It’s just that for me the song sucks ass…big huge ass. I’d really prefer to never hear it again.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“More than 178 million text messages crossed its network as fans interacted with the countryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s No. 1 TV show this season

This just makes the “38 million votes from Arkansas” look even more unlikely. We are supposed to believe that one smallish state in one night got in 21% of a season’s worth of text messages? I don’t think so.

If you take out the 38 million votes, that leaves 140 million votes over 14 votings nights. Arkansas in one night got in 4 times as many text votes as the rest of the country on an average night? The rest of the states are real technophobes with an average of around 200K per voting night per state.

Sure, some of those mythological 38 million votes would have been phone votes, but it couldn’t have been many of them.

E News reports that Chris Brown in in the studio working on a country song, and Robert Allen, a writer and producer working with him says Carrie Underwood is a possible duet partner.

Don’t do it Carrie.

Why isnt Kris smiling?

Because people do not smile 24 hours a day…

Love the genuine friendship between Adam and Kris. What a great example of finding common ground and running with it.

here are a couple interviews with Adam and Kris’s moms. they both sound like such great and supportive mothers. it’s no wonder these boys turned out as well as they did!

and it looks like the kradam love is shared by the kradaMOMs.

http://www.momlogic.com/2009/05/adam_lamberts_mom_american_idol.php

http://www.momlogic.com/2009/05/kris_allens_mom_american_idol.php

Clay,

I doubt that Adam gives 2 sh!ts about you either; but you still exposed yourself as a bitter, pissy little b!tch.

Why would anybody be smiling for the TMZ camera? I have to think that smiles aren’t required for those scumbags. Or maybe he had gas and was afraid that if he smiled, he would also fart? In other words, who cares?

I’m just here to say

I LOVE KRIS&ADAM.
Their BFF-ness makes me super happy for humanity.

kthxbai.

P.S. – For the love of god Carrie, stay away from Chris Brown.

RE: TMZ Photos

I think it demonstrates the fundamental difference between Adam and Kris. Adam LOVES the star attention, Kris is painfully uncomfortable with it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29181613/
Kris and Adam are performing on the Today Show for their outdoor concert series on Thursday.

I went to see the two David’s last year when they did the same concert and it was mobbed . I’m debating if I should go to this.

Pop Pop Goes the Camera. Looks like Clay got his 15 minutes of fame with his PR stunt attacking Lambert. His “apology” made the Associated Press wire this afternoon:

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20090523/D98C3UGG0.html

Good for Adam’s street cred to have Clay hatin’ on him.

I seen other pap pictures where Kris was smiling and comfortable.Every star gets a off picture.Nobody ever says you have to wear a smile every day.

Carrie dont work with Brown.I hope she’s smarter than yes.She has a good image to the world but Chris could ruin her,

“Adam LOVES the star attention, Kris is painfully uncomfortable with it.”

ITA.

Chris Brown’s producer is just using the tried & true tactic of using a famous name as a PR stunt. I doubt Carrie has any idea about this and I agree that with all she has going for her and all the people she can choose from to collaborate with, woman-beating Chris Brown isn’t even in consideration. They’re just using her name to get attention. Look at how much pickup this is getting.

I’ve got respect for Kara for doing what no other AI judge has dared do: getting up on that stage like other contestants and singing LIVE. She did a good job and showed she doesn’t take herself too seriously as a person, unlike the other judges except maybe Randy. I get the feeling she just hasn’t figured out how to judge for TV and that her real personality is much cooler and more insightful than she’s shown. Someone’s already said this but I bet she’d make for a better weekly mentor than judge.

Clay sounds like even more of an ass à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“apologizingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

I think it’s too late to apologize. It’s too laaaaaaaaate

Clay, shut up now before you do more damage to yourself.
Bikini Girl, just cover up, noone really cares ‘what’s new’ with you
and the thought of Simon in the office, well that’s a nice one. I love Simon :clap_tb:

snood199
May 23rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Adam isnt a loser.Both of them are winners.Why isnt Kris smiling?

Probably because the paparazzi are up his ass.

Sorry but this cracked my shit up. Is that why Adam IS smiling? This is nothing for or against either of them but just some of the humor I share with my lesbian sister and gay brother (I’m such an outcast…sorta…being the straight one of three children). Ultimately we, none of us, take ourselves seriously, nor do we take American Idol seriously. It’s all about what you do after the show that really matters.

Um, Clay, it’s not really an apology if it takes multiple paragraphs and most of that is spent blaming fans and the media for, I guess, holding you accountable for YOUR own words? Clay you are still a whiny has been.

Oh and Clay? Do you totally miss the irony of your pissy complaint about how people should talk about children or the economy when you are the one who started the discussion?

http://community.livejournal.com/kradam_ai/199103.html

There are the rest of the pap photos. The one of Kris eating is hilariously adorable.

hum… it is totally fine that kris is not smiling…

i just think is ironic and pathetic that when adam gives TMZ a big smile while kris didn’t, TMZ still called adam the loser and praised kris…

i understand TMZ is trying to get hits, but still sad…can’t help it…

E News reports that Chris Brown in in the studio working on a country song

What??? :lol_tb: :lol_tb:

I seen other pap pictures where Kris was smiling and comfortable.

Would you smile if you saw TMZ coming at you? That said, I wish they’d pose for the enquirer with a big ole ‘feud this’ flip of the bird. But they are much classier than I.

Run Carrie, Run. Chris Brown gone country??

I don’t know where to put this but the videos for Kris/Keith Kiss A Girl and Adam/Kiss performance (video) is up!!!! Woohoo!

Bikini bitch doesn’t even have enough sense to know when she is being made a laughingstock.
She and Gokey should get together.

kradaMOMs interviews were great. Thanks, twinkle!

She and Gokey should get together.

The douchebag and the douchebaguette? Yep, they’ll fit like a glove, 2 clueless comic xters

I don’t know much about Clay Aiken, never paid him any attention but reading his comments reminds me of this really nasty, bitter Asshat I know.

If Chris Brown doing a country duet is anything like that godfreakinawful Nelly/Tim McGraw pile of crapolla then GAG!

If I never hear or see anything about that skanky bikini girl again it will be too soon.
I appreciate that Kara did what she did for charity but that whole skit was just feeding the skank’s ego, next thing is she’ll have her own dating show on MTV.

Urgh, to think I was a Clay fan. What an ass.

Ditto. He should have quit while he was ahead. It wouldn’t surprise me if this was a PR stunt to get him name attached to Adam’s. Adam’s star is on the rise and Clay’s, well …….. not so much. I hope Adam never gives him the time of day.

Adam might be smiling for TMZ now, but some day he won’t. The longer he keeps saying ‘I am who I am’ and nothing more the more the media is going to pester him about it.

Wonder where Katy is? She and Kris are going to be apart all summer you’d think they’d be inseparable right now. Instead he’s going out for dinner with Adam? It appears none of the other Idols were with them. Interesting…..

Adam might be smiling for TMZ now, but some day he wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t. The longer he keeps saying à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹I am who I amà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ and nothing more the more the media is going to pester him about it

So what should he do? Cry?

clearone
May 23rd, 2009 at 3:28 pm

Wonder where Katy is? She and Kris are going to be apart all summer youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d think theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be inseparable right now. Instead heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going out for dinner with Adam? It appears none of the other Idols were with them. Interestingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..

It says they went to dinner right after Larry King.

Wonder where Katy is? She and Kris are going to be apart all summer youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d think theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be inseparable right now. Instead heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going out for dinner with Adam?

Dont worry TMZ and the media will soon start digging in on the bromance, and they wont be using words like “cute” either.The love is strong………………………….it gets curiouser and curiouser :mrgreen_wp:

I don’t quite understand why Clay is not allowed to have an opinion about one performance that Adam gave. He said he just watched that one performance, and he didn’t like it. I say this as someone who picked and thought Adam should win from mid-March on.

And yeah, it does seem like Kris and his wife should be finally taking this opportunity to be with each other. It does seem a little strange, but whatever.

So what should he do? Cry?

No giving them the finger would do. TMZ are scum.

I like the friendship between KrAdam. It is refreshing and also they have respect for each other and show kindness, class, and dignity in their interviews.

Perhaps Kris’ wife is back home since the Finale. As she will not be able to tour with the Idols. I am sure when he does his first tour as a solo artist, his wife will be with them. And it sounds like from interviews that they have a solid, trusting relationship.

I think they are both role models of class, dignity and friendship.

Tabloids can say what they want whether there is truth or not. But it sounds like neither of these guys will care.
They both are confident and proud of who they are and it is about the music and bringing people together for them.

Exclusive Video: Adam Lambert’s Hair Stylist on her Client and his Coif

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/exclusive-video-adam-lamberts-hair-stylist-her-client-and-his-coif

First of all, let Perez and TMZ be juven-vile but can’t we be smart enough to accept that two guys can just be friends? It wasn’t like the had dinner in a dark secluded corner booth — alone. And Kris’ brother was with them.

donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t quite understand why Clay is not allowed to have an opinion about one performance that Adam gave. He said he just watched that one performance, and he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like it. I say this as someone who picked and thought Adam should win from mid-March on.

If Clay had just written the Adam critique, I could pass on it.

BUT first Clay tried so publically to get Adam to do a duet on his album, and was rebuffed by 19E. If Adam made his “ears bleed” why try and do a duet with him?

Clay Aiken/Adam Lambert Duet: Not. Gonna. Happen. May 14 2009
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/177758/clay-aikenadam-lambert-duet-not-gonna-happen/

THEN he writes the slam piece one week later?

THEN he writes an apology but doesn’t apologize.

Not cool. Not cool at all.

clearone May 23rd, 2009 at 3:58 pm

So what should he do? Cry?

No giving them the finger would do. TMZ are scum.

Adam is handling it like he wants to. It is his personal life and his whole life should not be open for discussion.

People have tried for years and years to make Queen Latifa “come out” and her response has been “I don’t feel like I need to share my personal life, and I don’t care if people think I’m gay or not. Assume whatever you want. You do it anyway.”

The same for Joan Jett, Anderson Cooper and even AI’s own Ryan Seacrest, and many more. They don’t engage and it is their right.

Clay knows his tenure as the most successful runner-up ever is about to come to a spectacular end! He’s behaving like a spiteful bitch and it’s not the least bit attractive. There’s a difference between being catty and downright nasty, and he’s crossed the line.

“BUT first Clay tried so publically to get Adam to do a duet on his album, and was rebuffed by 19E. If Adam made his à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“ears bleedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  why try and do a duet with him?”

Not defending Clay for his comments but what you’re “reporting” comes straight from the National Enquirer. No credible source has confirmed it. A Chicago Sun Times gossip column with an equal reputation for credibility (none) picked up the story and it snowballed from there. It’s just one of those crazy stories that IMO was just an attempt to work the angle of Clay is gay and Adam is too so naturally one must be interested in a duet with the other. It’s a dumb story IMO and highly unlikely to be true.

not sure anyone posted yet, but some videos of the Skybard event in LA last night: http://www.joesplaceblog.com/2009/05/idols-at-the-skybar-event/

I dont mind anyone say adam is not their cup of tea, totally understand.

but i dont like they use words such as ‘make their ears bleed’.

like randy said in his interview, if you dont have anything good to say, then just dont say it.

is it really nessecery to discribe it in such exterme words??they are not just anyone. they are pubic figures who people will listen to. every word and action they take have effect on other people.

Lol, I thought Adam was smiling because he was on the phone and the person he was talking to said something funny. Kris just has a normal face on. It’s not like he’s sad or anything.

“Clay knows his tenure as the most successful runner-up ever is about to come to a spectacular end!”

Clay’s tenure was already fading when Archuleta came in second. It’s Archie who’ll be the one to beat from now on. I doubt Adam can do it. Archie’s fanbase is international–and growing.

I’ve never liked Clay and this is why. He just never appeared genuine to me and I always thought that the good ole boy persona was a put on. Glad my instincts were confirmed. That wasn’t an apology – it was somebody bitterly jealous being forced to do damage control by his publicist. I have no issue with the fact that Adam’s not his cuppa tea, but I do take issue with his verbal assault. There are more responsible ways to state your point. For someone who avoided the media when they were on his ass about his sexuality, he certainly was ready to spill his feelings about Adam without any thought about the impact. I think it’s safe to say his fanbase numbers dropped a bit more today.

Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tenure was already fading when Archuleta came in second. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Archie whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be the one to beat from now on. I doubt Adam can do it. Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fanbase is internationalà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and growing.

I’m a big Archie fan too and while I agree he’ll likely surpass Clay’s success, I’m not so sure he’ll surpass Adam’s. Much of Archie’s success stems not only from his amazing talent, but how adorable he is. In a few years, when he matures, I’m not sure how many will still be pining for him. There always seems to be a young new artist waiting in the wings. Adam on the other hand is – to quote Randy – ready to go. He appeals to a different demographic that will likely be loyal to him and follow his career for the long haul.

Don’t assume Kris’ wife won’t be with him this summer. She can’t travel on the bus with the guys but she can fly/drive to venues and stay with him in the hotels. It’s been done before. I’m guessing she’ll spend some time with the tour when it hits the venues near Arkansas.

Other girlfriends/boyfriends/relatives of Idols have done this. No big deal.

I always liked Clay and supported him and thought he got robbed but when I heard what he said about Adam, its over.

Clay’s observation was on target. Ring of Fire was a disaster for Adam–though his fans refuse to admit it. Dialidol showed he dropped precipitously as a favorite after that performance. He recovered somewhat the following week–but he never fully won back his original support. That OTT performance definitely hurt him.

Kris already said in an interview that she won’t be on tour with them…….that she’ll be a few shows and that’s it.

Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tenure was already fading when Archuleta came in second. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Archie whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be the one to beat from now on. I doubt Adam can do it. Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fanbase is internationalà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and growing.

Archie has been out of the gate for a year now. Let’s talk about Adam ‘doing it’ or not in May 2010.

Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tenure was already fading when Archuleta came in second. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Archie whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be the one to beat from now on. I doubt Adam can do it. Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fanbase is internationalà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and growing.

According to most reports, Adam will be a huge international star…. Not saying that is going to happen, but one of the reasons Simon wanted Adam to win was because he saw Adam’s potential internationally.

Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s observation was on target. Ring of Fire was a disaster for Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’though his fans refuse to admit it.

I wouldn’t admit that because I don’t think it’s true. If by disaster you mean outside the norm, unique, and polarizing, then I guess you’re right although I would argue that doesn’t equal disaster. I think “Ring of Fire” was probably the most “Adam” of all his performances (up until “Whole Lotta Love”) and if it cost him some fans who only like the mainstream, then I’d guess Adam would say it was worth it. He likes being unique. He likes challenging people. He likes risks. And when you have his vocal ability and stage presence you can do what he did with “Ring of Fire.” Some people will always hate it. Some people will always adore it. That’s what makes it his best performance of the year, in my opinion. And it’s what makes him one of the most exciting performers I’ve ever seen or heard.

I used to be a pretty big Clay fan, and that’s changed in the last…say, two to three years or so. He’s gotten increasingly annoying with his holier-than-thou attitude about everything, and I hate that he buys right into the Claymates’ worship of him. I used to like him because he came off down to earth and self-deprecating…at some point the tide turned and he started believing the hype that a select group of people created for him. At that point, it stopped being about his talent for me and became more about his attitude.

Anyway, in terms of Adam, which is the last straw for me referring to myself as a “Clay fan”, my problem is that he made the whole thing about how much HE didn’t like Adam (and why other people didn’t) instead of presenting it more like, “well, now that it’s over, I can say that I’m SO happy Kris won!” He’s got a right to not like Adam…I just hate when public people make public comments that aren’t even close to being diplomatic when it would be so easy to NOT do it.

Archie has been out of the gate for a year now. Letà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s talk about Adam à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹doing ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ or not in May 2010.

Adam’s challenge is daunting. he’s got a good voice–but not a particularly marketable one.

Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s observation was on target. Ring of Fire was a disaster for Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’though his fans refuse to admit it.

I wouldn’t call it a disaster exactly. For me personally, I loved it. I enjoy it when someone takes a risk. Sometimes it pays off – other times it doesn’t. We can’t disagree that this was the performance that had everyone talking the next day. I’m sure that was part of Adam’s strategy since he knew the country genre was going to be a challenge. I couldn’t imagine Adam performing a whiney country song. I knew he was going to come up with something that would be extraordinary, albeit polarizing. It’s what sets him apart from the pack. After that performance, I think people decided whether they were on board with him or not. Those who liked it admired that he stayed true to himself and continued to support him and stay loyal to the end; those who didn’t turned their attention to someone else. It might be unfair to suggest it was a ‘disaster’ because some have stated it was their favorite of the season.

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s challenge is daunting. heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got a good voiceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but not a particularly marketable one.

Maybe not in the US but internationally they are much more open to Adam’s style of music. The US lags behind in that regard.

But Clay did make some good points, Adam gives a ratà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s cootie what Clay thinks.

aww, don’t drag a poor defenseless rat into Clay’s profound ignorance.

After that performance, I think people decided whether they were on board with him or not. Those who liked it admired that he stayed true to himself and continued to support him and stay loyal to the end; those who didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t turned their attention to someone else.

Wasn’t this my point? A lot of people turned to someone else to support after that performance. You may see this as his being true to himself. I see it as a self-defeating judgment call on Adam’s part.

Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s observation was on target. Ring of Fire was a disaster for Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’though his fans refuse to admit it.

RoF: the beginning of my ‘love affair’ with Adam Lambert!! Before that it was only a mad crush/puppy love. I think he might have lost some budding fans but at the same time cemented the loyalty of many which are not only eager to see him on AI but post Idol as well. It also expand his fanbase to non AI audience as more people tune in to check out what the hell (in a good way) Adam would sing and how he would perform it!!

Wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t this my point? A lot of people turned to someone else to support after that performance. You may see this as his being true to himself. I see it as a self-defeating judgment call on Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s part.

I was responding more to your comment that the performance was a “disaster” – almost implying that it was a consensus. I still think it was an outstanding performance. It’s fine if you disagree. So what if he was #2 for the first time after that performance? #2 still looked pretty good from my standpoint at that point in the competition and not exactly disasterous.

RoF is my 3rd best Adam performance behind Mad World and Whole lotta love.

I think à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ring of Fireà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  was probably the most à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  of all his performances (up until à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Whole Lotta Loveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ) and if it cost him some fans who only like the mainstream, then Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d guess Adam would say it was worth it. He likes being unique.

But it wasn’t at all unique. It was effeminate–the sort of thing seen all the time in Vegas all-boy revues. Sure some people liked it–but it’s still self-defeating if it turns away a lot of fans.

Kathy Griffin will be loving Clay going all bitchy. She will probably include it in her material at some point. LOL!

Kathy will take care of Clay. :clap_tb:

Sure some people liked ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still self-defeating if it turns away a lot of fans.

You keep saying that it turned fans away. I’m quite certain he also gained new fans after that performance. It’s when I really took notice and at other boards, people have said the same thing. And how was it not unique?

Maybe not in the US but internationally they are much more open to Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s style of music. The US lags behind in that regard.

Didn’t realize the international community was into Broadway. Even when he did Whole Lotta Love it was Led Zeppelin on Broadway. Ditto for Aerosmith.

Kathy will take care of Clay.

Heee…..I’m sure she will considering they’re not exactly best buds. :wink_wp:

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Clay knows his tenure as the most successful runner-up ever is about to come to a spectacular end!à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s tenure was already fading when Archuleta came in second. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Archie whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be the one to beat from now on. I doubt Adam can do it. Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fanbase is internationalà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and growing.

I had to lol at this one. Clay’s fanbase was international and growing at one time too.

Last season, it pained me to have to listen to David A. sing. To me, that kid is marginally talented at best. I don’t think he’s ‘adorable’ either, and I think the over the top fandom by middle aged men and women is just kind of creepy. He’s just an awkward teenager to me, and his singing voice is not something I would ever pay to hear.

Somehow I don’t think Adam needs to worry about ‘beating’ Archuleta.

But it wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t at all unique. It was effeminateà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’the sort of thing seen all the time in Vegas all-boy revues. Sure some people liked ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still self-defeating if it turns away a lot of fans.

Wow, so now we go from disaster to effeminate disaster. Hmmm. You are entitled to your opinion, but I know many, many people who disagree. And isn’t that what good music is, as Adam so rightly said way back at the begining–some people love it, some people hate it? Personally, I thought RoF was sexy as hell and not in a Vegas all-boy revue way. And to be true to yourself and do music your way isn’t self-defeating even if it turns off some fans. It brings others to the table, and those are the ones you want anyway…the ones who will appreciate your talent as it is, not as it’s marketed for the masses.

You keep saying that it turned fans away. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m quite certain he also gained new fans after that performance. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s when I really took notice and at other boards, people have said the same thing. And how was it not unique?

Up until then he was way ahead. Then with Ring of Fire dialidol showed him lagging seriously–at a time when he should have been solidifying his base. In subsequent weeks he reined-in his flamboyance–but never regained momentum as a frontrunner.

More Kradam Luv….this is all kinds of awesome!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9A6v2jajYM

A lot of people turned to someone else to support after that performance. You may see this as his being true to himself. I see it as a self-defeating judgment call on Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s part.

praepos, Adam sang RoF in Top 11 week. So many fans were turned off by that performance that their waves of disgust must have carried him all the way to the final 2.

@praepos

perhaps, you are the only one seeing his performances as broadway. I am an international fan (Denmark) and I cannot get enough of Lambert! And yeah, I love ROF!!!

Up until then he was way ahead. Then with Ring of Fire dialidol showed him lagging seriouslyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’at a time when he should have been solidifying his base. In subsequent weeks he reined-in his flamboyanceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but never regained momentum as a frontrunner.

Well, finishing 2nd was pretty awesome then for someone who never regained momentum after ROF.

Also, lagging seriously didn’t equal bottom 3 that week.

ROF did solidify his base. He may have lost some casual fans that week, but people that loved Adam loved him more after that performance. Hardcore Adam fans = base.

But it wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t at all unique. It was effeminateà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’the sort of thing seen all the time in Vegas all-boy revues. Sure some people liked ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s still self-defeating if it turns away a lot of fans.

Bwah!
The worn out batteries in old Mr. Happy would beg to differ that Ring of Fire was in any way effeminate! That was manly man dead on sexy beast stuff there.

Last season, it pained me to have to listen to David A. sing. To me, that kid is marginally talented at best. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹adorableà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ either, and I think the over the top fandom by middle aged men and women is just kind of creepy. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just an awkward teenager to me, and his singing voice is not something I would ever pay to hear.

Just to quote Billboard in response: “David Archuleta has a once-in-a-decade voice.” In a way he’s the opposite of Adam, since he’s so genuine. Adam is all about artifice–which makes him perfect for theater.

Wow, so now we go from disaster to effeminate disaster.

The only thing lacking was the feather boa–or am I confusing that with when he came down the steps in the white suit? –right out of Hello Dolly.

The worn out batteries in old Mr. Happy would beg to differ that Ring of Fire was in any way effeminate! That was manly man dead on sexy beast stuff there.

LMFAO!!!! Yeah, my husband’s said more than once that the $1.49 I spent on that performance video was the best money I’ve ever spent…I’m happy and then he’s happy.

praepos
May 23rd, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Last season, it pained me to have to listen to David A. sing. To me, that kid is marginally talented at best. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹adorableà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ either, and I think the over the top fandom by middle aged men and women is just kind of creepy. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just an awkward teenager to me, and his singing voice is not something I would ever pay to hear.

Just to quote Billboard in response: à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“David Archuleta has a once-in-a-decade voice.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  In a way heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the opposite of Adam, since heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s so genuine. Adam is all about artificeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’which makes him perfect for theater.

Clay? Is that you???
:lol_tb:

I don’t know why people keep insisting on labelling Adam as broadway, he doesn’t come across like that to me at all. Yes, if you look at some of the videos prediol from some shows but not on idol. His studio versions are painfully beautiful and I think he has evolved over the season. Satisfaction was a lot more “screamy” than anything he did at the end. His high notes were more “open” in tone and really really nice during the tuesday and wednesday show. I just don’t get this hangup that he is screatchy or that people keep labelling him broadway. Have anyone really listened to The Tarcks of my Tears or Feeling Good? His voice is out of this world sometimes.

To get back to the topic, I think Kris did the only sensible thing with a song like this, and that is to slow it down so the verse is more accentuated. That aside, this song does not fit his range and I don’t think he would pass idol auditions singing it.

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s challenge is daunting. heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s got a good voiceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but not a particularly marketable one.

You know, sometimes, I think this, but other times, I kinda think that Adam will do some funky groovy album like Beck that is just unique, interesting and totally a great listen. I bet we will see something like that from him. Techo, Funk, Glam Rock, Industrial, Pop, R&R, and Jazz all thrown together.

I hope we get something fun like that from him. I also hope he sings in his lower register a bit more, it’s so pretty.

The only thing lacking was the feather boa

Eh…to each his own. One person’s effeminate is another’s walking, talking sex.

Just to quote Billboard in response: à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“David Archuleta has a once-in-a-decade voice.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  In a way heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the opposite of Adam, since heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s so genuine. Adam is all about artificeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’which makes him perfect for theater.

I could care less what Billboard has to say, just as you could care less what anyone says in praise of Adam. It’s a matter of personal taste, and while you seem to think your opinion = fact, it simply doesn’t.

I do not think David Archuleta is star material. I think his voice is a nasally drone. I can’t stand it, and I can’t stand him. I also can’t stand his adult fans that seem to have made it their mission in life to make him into something he will never be. I am going to get a kick out of it in a few years when the teenage awkwardness morphs into early adulthood unattractiveness, and the fans abandon him for someone new to mother and/or have creepy fantasies about.

praepos May 23rd, 2009 at 6:09 pm

Wow, so now we go from disaster to effeminate disaster.

The only thing lacking was the feather boaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’or am I confusing that with when he came down the steps in the white suit? à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’right out of Hello Dolly.

No, right out of the Rat Pack era, ah la Dean Martin (was a stair nut) and Sammy Davis, Jr., which was the theme that week.

I do not think David Archuleta is star material. I think his voice is a nasally drone. I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t stand it, and I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t stand him. I also canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t stand his adult fans that seem to have made it their mission in life to make him into something he will never be. I am going to get a kick out of it in a few years when the teenage awkwardness morphs into early adulthood unattractiveness, and the fans abandon him for someone new to mother and/or have creepy fantasies about.

I’m gonna be less pessimistic and say, “Nah he’ll be just fine.”

As for that bikini girl’s interview… LOL That chick is in denial. :laugh_tb:

solitaire May 23rd, 2009 at 6:20 pm

Just to quote Billboard in response: à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“David Archuleta has a once-in-a-decade voice.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  In a way heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the opposite of Adam, since heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s so genuine. Adam is all about artificeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’which makes him perfect for theater.

I could care less what Billboard has to say, just as you could care less what anyone says in praise of Adam. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a matter of personal taste, and while you seem to think your opinion = fact, it simply doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t.

This. Billboard, schmilboard, Brian May of Queen (has a Ph.D. and is Dean of a University) thinks Adam has an amazing voice and that is more credible to me than anything written by anyone at Billboard.

Wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t this my point? A lot of people turned to someone else to support after that performance. You may see this as his being true to himself. I see it as a self-defeating judgment call on Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s part.

Actually, that was the performance that sold me on the fact that Adam was the shizz. I guess it probably worked both ways.

Trust me, I hated “Believe” so much. I did like “Satisfaction” and “Black or White” but it wasn’t until “Ring of Fire” that I went wow.

Oh, as for Archie. I don’t see him as competition to Adam. They are completely different.

Clay? Is that you???

:lol_tb: :clap_tb: Good sleuthing.

Just to quote Billboard in response: à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“David Archuleta has a once-in-a-decade voice.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Too bad he’s singing Mickey Mouse tween crap then..maybe by the time he gets some decent material the decade will be over

Up until then he was way ahead. Then with Ring of Fire dialidol showed him lagging seriouslyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’at a time when he should have been solidifying his base. In subsequent weeks he reined-in his flamboyanceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but never regained momentum as a frontrunner.

I think you’re finding yourself outnumbered here by those of us who loved RoF. That’s not to say you’re not entitled to your opinion, but I do think you might have been imposing your feelings on others by suggesting everybody felt as you did.

Also, I never saw Adam as flamboyant. I saw him as entertaining, charismatic, sexy, confident, brilliant.

I do not think David Archuleta is star material.

As I said upthread, he’s definitely talented, but I think his greater appeal right now is his wholesome character and his being ‘adorable’. Once he matures, I don’t know that just the music will carry him. I hope it does. I think he has the potential to be a successful star.

“No, right out of the Rat Pack era, ah la Dean Martin (was a stair nut) and Sammy Davis, Jr., which was the theme that week.”

I totally think if the Rat Pack was around today, they would be a lot like Adam since they were such performers and singers. Kinda of interesting to think what a difference 60 years makes.

I thought ROF was a brilliant option for the Top 11. At the point, the biggest danger for a good singer is still being forgettable, and Adam gave an unforgettable performance, like it or not. Nobody’s going to vote against anybody in the Top 11 week, so being completely weird while having good vocals is a great strategic move.

2 things.

1. So what if he had HAD a feather boa?

2. Tell Matt Bellamy and Gerard Way they are not marketable.

Once he matures, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know that just the music will carry him. I hope it does. I think he has the potential to be a successful star.

Yes, it will be interesting to see once he grows up a little,how he comes accross and what he does..when the “oh gosh I’m 17 and cute factor is gone.He does have potential………………..

but according to Billboard his voice comes “once in a decade” so his time may be running out :mrgreen_wp:

Adam’s ROF wasn’t forgettable. I can’t forget how horrible it was.

I do not think David Archuleta is star material. I think his voice is a nasally drone. I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t stand it, and I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t stand him. I also canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t stand his adult fans that seem to have made it their mission in life to make him into something he will never be. I am going to get a kick out of it in a few years when the teenage awkwardness morphs into early adulthood unattractiveness, and the fans abandon him for someone new to mother and/or have creepy fantasies about.

What you assume is creepy is simple appreciation for a really exceptional talent Sure teen girls think he’s cute–but most adults like myself admire his incredible chops–and the character behind them. I personally loved how he ran away with last year’s finale and even had Simon grudgingly admitting the obvious. Archie’s talent was too huge even for someone as snarky as Simon to ignore.

In fact Archie could teach Adam a thing or two about the aesthetic shaping of a song and how to detach it from self-advertisement. That he’s not everybody’s preference goes without saying–he’s always had his irrational bashers. But it’s a little inconsistant to deny his attractiveness on the one hand, but on the other claim you can’t wait for the day when age makes him unattractive. Isn’t this tantamount to admitting people DO find him highly attractive?

In fact Archie will never be unattractive simply because his brand of attraction has to do more with his gentleness and decency than with anything erotic. His goodness will define him till a ripe old age. That’ll always be attractive, whatever else may fall awy with time.

Seriously? We are doing cross-season fanwars now? Usually that takes a while to get started. Why in the world do any of the runner-ups have to “compete” anyway? For the love.
:doh_tb:

Seriously, Clay made 2 mil last year. Archie mad 1.3. Adam will make a whole lotta cash too. I don’t think any of these dudes care one whit about some stupid fan pissing contest.

ANYWAY… Bikini girl is more of a moron than I thought. She has to know she got pwned on that stage. She’s just trying to save face. LOL.

You know what’s fearless? eating nachos with paparazzi around. Kradam eats danger for lunch.

More Kradam Luvà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.this is all kinds of awesome!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9A6v2jajYM

CCAdamFan, thanks for the link. Nice fanvid. Love that song. Maybe we can petition Sony-BMG to let them record a full-length version of it.

What you assume is creepy is simple appreciation for a really exceptional talent

Spent time on the David fan sights and creepy is the correct word for a lot of over 50 women who spent hours discussing the size of an 18 years olds unit that showed up in a particular pair of tight pants. Guess that is appreciating an exceptional talent. Now I need to go wash the bitter taste out of my mouth.

edit: You are WAY out of line. And for that, you go into moderation

That heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not everybodyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s preference goes without sayingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s always had his irrational bashers.

LOL. This is funny. Would you count David A as an irrational basher? Because I heard him admit he sucked when he did his song on AI this season.

That said, he’s a cute kid and I wish him success. I really don’t know why we’re comparing apples and oranges here.

Found this video on joesplaceblog of everyone in the press room (including Kiss) when they found out who had won -interesting reactions!

http://vimeo.com/4777333

Too bad heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s singing Mickey Mouse tween crap then..maybe by the time he gets some decent material the decade will be over

Rave reviews by the Brits. Rave reviews in Manila and Singapore. Mobbed by fans in Malaysia. Solo tour completely sold out. Now he’s expanding his fanbase with the kiddies–who can blame him? I’d prefer he’d concentrate on us adults–but business is business and it’s a lucrative market. Meanwhile Jive’s picked up his option for a second album and he’ll be releasing Zero Gravity in a couple of weeks.

this sounds so familiar i’m just LOLing here…

I was a huge Archie fan last season and still am, and I remember after the finale how some of us started saying Clay watch out! Archie is going to be an international star! he’s gonna be the best runner up ever! The US may not like his kind of singing but he is verypopular worldwide!

Then those that came before told us that it is too early to tell etc etc. so Adam fans, give Adam a year at least.

Personally, they are both so different it’s silly to compare how much successful they will be, unless Adam is signed by Jive and releases a “Crush” like debut song with a similar album go on ICarly, HM etc, and be as successful as Archie has been so far, then fine comparison.

TBH, imo Adam has a great future. It’s gonna be interesting how they market him, and would be interesting how much say he will have in his upcoming album.

Good luck Adam and fans.

Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s observation was on target. Ring of Fire was a disaster for Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’though his fans refuse to admit it. Dialidol showed he dropped precipitously as a favorite after that performance. He recovered somewhat the following weekà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but he never fully won back his original support. That OTT performance definitely hurt him.

You know I guess it is all a matter of how you define success. RoF made me a passionate Adam Lambert fan. Yes, it was clearly a love it-hate it performance and cost him votes. BUT I think it played a big part in making him a break-out star. And Adam was clearly in this to make sure he had a recording career after the AmIdol bubble bursts.

I really believe that Adam is sincere when he says he wasn’t focused on winning Idol, just getting to the final. If he wanted to win, he could have played the AmIdol game. I mean do you really think that he couldn’t of chosen to do a country classic? How about Roy Orbitson’s “Crying” or Patsy Cline’s “Crazy”? I think he tried to show us who he was, while doing just enough accessable music, Track of My Tears, If I Can’t Have You, etc. to stay on the show. I think it was a brilliant career strategy. He gets access to the biggest stage in America, but isn’t stuck with the stigma of being an American Idol. (What Doughtry did by accident.)

And for Clay, his American Idol bubble has burst, and his career is in shambles:

former American Idol runner up Clay Aiken has been “ditched by his record label RCA after his last album flopped. Clays latest, On My Way Here, sold an abysmal 159,000 copies, a dramatic drop from his 2003 debut, which sold more than 2.5 million. “The 30-year-old’s representative Cindi Berger claims the split was caused by a breakdown in contract talks.” She told People.com, “We were unable to come to terms in a recent contract negotiation, and decided that it was best to move on. Clay is only the latest in a line of former idol hopefuls to be dropped from their label, including Blake Lewis, Katharine McPhee and Ruben Studdard.

Clay recently ended a run as Sir Robin in the musical Spamalot. And last year he shocked approximately 4 people when he came out of the closet.

And, just to rub salt in Clay’s wounds, who is Broadway begging to have come their way?

I for one FLOVED Ring of Fire. While it may have been risque and edgy, I know a lot of people who feel the same way. Sure it wasn’t main stream, but for many of us it was great..

Regarding David A, he has NOTHING to teach Adam. David A is talented and a nice kid, but he is more of a Kris Allen and dare I say it, Clay Aiken kind of singer. Adam has honed his craft to the point where key professionals want to work with him. He doesn’t need any help from a tween Disney type singer.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not to say youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re not entitled to your opinion, but I do think you might have been imposing your feelings on others by suggesting everybody felt as you did.

I never suggested everybody felt as I did. Obviously not. But I did agree the song was polarizing–even Adam’s supporters admit this. And I indicated his popularity took a nosedive right after he sang it–as far as that was measurable by dialidol. His momentum was broken–after he’d been a clear frontrunner the early part of the season. Subsequently he landed in the bottom three. So it is an opinion many other had as well, not just me.

To RemusL…you are welcome! And yes, I would love a full length studio version of that song. Maybe the guys will perform it on tour?

And about RoF: I did not even tune in to AI until top 13 week (as is always the case…too many people to keep up with). I have a one year old, so I cannot sit and watch anything for 2 hours straight. But I had it on, and may have caught a few performances. Anyway, soon after Adam did BoW, I started hearing lots of buzz. I purposefully made it a point to tune in the next week for Grand Ole Opry week to see what Adam would do (I live in Nashville, work in the recording industry, and have been backstage at the Opry more than once). Well…I liked it! It was certainly unique, and in no way boring…and I could not wait to see what he would do the next week! He never, ever failed to be entertaining…and for the first time in my life, I picked up the phone to vote…for Adam.

In fact Archie could teach Adam a thing or two about the aesthetic shaping of a song and how to detach it from self-advertisement. That heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not everybodyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s preference goes without sayingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s always had his irrational bashers. But ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a little inconsistant to deny his attractiveness on the one hand, but on the other claim you canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t wait for the day when age makes him unattractive. Isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t this tantamount to admitting people DO find him highly attractive?

Fan wars within the season are annoying enough. But between seasons?

Really?

And, just to rub salt in Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wounds, who is Broadway begging to have come their way?

YES. Really, when I first heard Adam had been an understudy in Wicked, my reaction was “who the hell is the REGULAR?”

Is the AI video of “We are the Champions” available on itunes? I can’t find it. I hope it becomes available, because Adam and Kris both sound great. That band, Queen, ain’t bad either.

Yes, it will be interesting to see once he grows up a little,how he comes accross and what he does..when the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“oh gosh Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m 17 and cute factor is gone.He does have potentialà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..

but according to Billboard his voice comes à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“once in a decadeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  so his time may be running out :mrgreen_wp:

You know, there’s a lot of different kinds of prejudice in the world. One kind is to believe that someone good-looking has got to be a dolt. Another is to assume that a kid with a great voice is not a mature enough musician to warrant serious attention. Both are myths.

Archie’s a musical prodigy. He didn’t advance on AI simply because he was cute and attractive to teen girls. That was always a bum rap– and still is, especially with those who claim anyone over a certain age who likes his singing is somehow creepy. That’s to miss what Archie was always all about primarily–music.

Sure he’s cute–but just because this is true, it doesn’t make him any less masterful as a musician. In fact the kid’s a pitch-perfect, soulful artist who can sing practically anything convincingly–whether it’s Lennon or Elvis or Elton John–or the kind of frothy concoctions that characterize his album. His kind comes around about once in a generation.

I would submit his problem right now is just the opposite to the opinion expressed here–that once his youth passes, he will be less attractive or popular. In fact just the opposite will happen. As he matures, people will finally be able to appreciate better what his youthfulness now obscures. This will be especially true as he writes his own material and grows into his own talent more organically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnuLQpfkMy8&feature=related

Another good interview……Adam with Terri Seymour. I love his last comment, it could have been directed at Clay…..”keep your opinion, that’s what makes art, art….whether you like it or not”

I think David Archuleta is very marketable.He has the looks,personality and voice.He has to be the most successful runnerup.Adam is in a differant league than archie is musically and market wise.If archie was to sing adam’s music he would fail.Know if Adam was trying to sing Crush he would also fail.Two differant leagues you cant compare them.But Adam and David will be the most famous runner-ups.

Spent time on the David fan sights and creepy is the correct word for a lot of over 50 women who spent hours discussing the size of an 18 years olds unit that showed up in a particular pair of tight pants.

AMEN!

His momentum was brokenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’after heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d been a clear frontrunner the early part of the season. Subsequently he landed in the bottom three. So it is an opinion many other had as well, not just me.

edit: everyone is entitled to an opinion. don’t try to dictate the discussion

But I do have to say that I don’t follow your logic here. RoF was Adam’s second performance in the top 13. He didn’t land in the bottom three until at least six weeks later. That’s a long wait for his supposed “momentum break.” Personally, I don’t think Adam’s momentum ever stopped. Up until the end he was the most talked about, most googled, most reported on contestant of the season. No, he didn’t win. But he didn’t need to; he accomplished his goal and has legions of fans ready to support whatever he does next.

ROF is what drew me in. I was a bit stunned by it, but not in a bad way. I voted for Matt and Kris that night since they are the ones I was voting for since the start but I couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get ROF out of my mind. After a few days I went back to watch it again and then downloaded my first itune of the season. After hearing the studio version I was on board the rest of the season. Many others have stated this same fact. Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fan base on AI exploded after ROF so I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think it mattered a few may have jumped ship.

Archie seems like a really nice kid and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll leave it at that. I find Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s voice much more appealing and his studio versions are out of this world. I will be a life-long fan. Can’t see Adam doing Broadway but you are certainly welcome to your own opinion. Personally, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll take Mayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s opinion of Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s voice – à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d certainly like to work with Adam. That is one amazing instrument he has there.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Tend to believe he knows what heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s talking about and I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Broadway is what heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sees when he looks at Adam. Mayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s opinion carries SERIOUS weight, and not just with me. A collaborative piece with Queen, instead of someone like Kara (please – no!), will gain instant world-wide exposure. I hope they follow up on this.I haven’t seen Queen in concert in over 30 years but I’d be the first in line if this happened.

Actually, for me, Archie’s main problem is that he never met a run he didn’t love. For me, that’s a problem. Adam has a similar if different problem for me. He tends to put every note he can into every song because he can. I don’t like those things in singers or songs. I don’t think either of those things equate to really good performances. I’d venture to say, and I’m likely to get crucified here, that Archie has a much better tone than Adam. I actually think Archie has a beautiful tone. He just never made me care. I also happen to think both dudes are amazingly nice and likeable. I have absolutely no ill will for either. I wish them stellar careers.

I posted it.

This has

(1) Adam, Kris, Queen – MP4 (video)
(2) Adam, Kris, Queen – MP3 (audio)
(3) Allison and Cyndi – MP4
(4) Allison and Cyndi – MP3

Just download it and unzip the folder. They files are inside

http://drop.io/bethkirsch

Enjoy!

If it becomes available on itunes, I will take it down, since people should buy them. In the meantime….

Adam has honed his craft to the point where key professionals want to work with him. He doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need any help from a tween Disney type singer.

He could use a little of Archie’s musical wisdom.

KrisAllen1

I think you are so right.

Adam has had time to grow into who Adam is. Archie will do the same.

Mom says that if everyone likes the same music it would be sooooo boring. lol

He could use a little of Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s musical wisdom.

In your opinion. In mine, the minute Adam take advice from Archie I will strongly ponder taking a plane to LA to bitch slap him myself. And I like Archie. But musically he has nothing on Adam for me.

With all of the “stuff” that goes along with American Idol I’m so pleased that there always seems to be a contestant for everyone. Sometimes you think you have “found” your absolute favorite and you say to yourself that no matter what you aren’t ever going to loose sight of that. And then, what the hell, the next year another contestant who is totally different than your “forever” favorite pops up. And sometimes the old and the new are such polar opposites that you can’t quite figure out what has happened to you.

Your old fav’s record collects dust in your CD bin while you spend hours searching for everything on youtube and the net about the new guy. You stop even looking at your old fav’s fan sites, and if you run across a new youtube video of old fav you may watch it once out of curiosity and then you forget it.

I’m sure that for some people it may take several seasons to “replace” a fav and for some it may happen a couple of times a season. I’m sure AI won’t be around forever but I’m glad its been around. Unless you spend hours on the internet or listen to every radio station around and buy every music related fan magazine you really never get to “meet” the singers you listen to. At least with AI you get a taste about who and what these people are and you have a little opportunity to make a connection.

To my favs, old and new, thanks for being on AI and I really hope that the sun shines on you and gives you much happiness in the field you obviously love.

OK….I think its time to get off my personal soapbox!

nood199 May 23rd, 2009 at 8:03 pm

And, just to rub salt in Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s wounds, who is Broadway begging to have come their way?

YES. Really, when I first heard Adam had been an understudy in Wicked, my reaction was à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“who the hell is the REGULAR?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

LOL ! Eden Espinoza, who is credited with being one of the best Elphabas in the touring and L.A. cast has gone on record that there have been only 2 really outstanding voices singing Fiyero and Adam was one of them. I think he sang best opposite Teal Wicks as Elphaba, both have big voices.

As i said I think David and Adam will be the most successful runner-ups.I notice that most of the runnerups never made it far like Bo,Katherine,Blake.I cant think of anyone else at the moment but i have to give Archuleta credit for doing well with himself.Props to adam as well.

edited out rude stuff

This just makes the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“38 million votes from Arkansasà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  look even more unlikely. We are supposed to believe that one smallish state in one night got in 21% of a seasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s worth of text messages? I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think so.

I don’t know, to me it makes it more likely. What ATT said was

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“More than 178 million text messages crossed its network as fans interacted with the countryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s No. 1 TV show this season – the highest total for any season and more than double the 78 million messages AT&T reported last year.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Viewership is down from last year, but there were more than double the text messages?

And also from ATT

The number of AT&T customers who opted in to receive voting number remindersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦was 70 percent higher than last season; fans who opted in for vote number reminders this season sent nearly twice as many text votes than did the overall voting population.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

In your opinion. In mine, the minute Adam take advice from Archie I will strongly ponder taking a plane to LA to bitch slap him myself. And I like Archie. But musically he has nothing on Adam for me.

I couldn’t agree more and I’m an Archie fan too. That said, you couldn’t find two artists on more opposite sides of the spectrum so I doubt it will ever be an issue. There’s no arguing that David has done very well this past year – and kudos to him – but I predict that Adam will set Idol (and Billboard) records that will catapult his career. Until finale night, Whole Lotta Love was my favorite performance on Idol ever. Then I heard Beth. The man is a superstar.

Spent time on the David fan sights and creepy is the correct word for a lot of over 50 women who spent hours discussing the size of an 18 years olds unit that showed up in a particular pair of tight pants.

Word. This has actually kept me far away from his boards for months.

Viewership is down from last year, but there were more than double the text messages?

This confused me too, but I think it means that fewer people are tuning in compared to previous seasons, but of those who are tuning in, they’re more enthusiastic getting in more votes than ever before?????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDaLZ96jA-g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtzIX2WPCzc

I don’t think you could ever compare David A. and Adam L. They are polar opposites and they have two absolutely distinct singing styles. I, personally, don’t think one is better than the other since they are both good and both so different. Liking one doesn’t necessarily equate to hating the other, at least I wouldn’t think that for reasonable people, it just means someone “enjoys” listening to one over the other.

Attached above are Adam’s and David’s version of CRAZY for your listening enjoyment, I hope.

Personally, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s momentum ever stopped. Up until the end he was the most talked about, most googled, most reported on contestant of the season. No, he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t win. But he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t need to; he accomplished his goal and has legions of fans ready to support whatever he does next.

The net is not the real world. Neither is Hollywood. That said, I agree he got buzz, plenty of it. Whether this translates into “legions” of fans is questionable. He’ll have to work at expanding his fanbase like every other idol.

I like Archie. But musically he has nothing on Adam for me.

Except good taste. He knows when enough’s enough.

The net is not the real world. Neither is Hollywood. That said, I agree he got buzz, plenty of it. Whether this translates into à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“legionsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  of fans is questionable. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll have to work at expanding his fanbase like every other idol.

That is true, but I bet he has more fans that will buy his album now that a lot of other people post idol. The issue for Adam will be overcoming the lack of coolness of Idol with the cool kids. But you know, I totally think he can do that because I think people in the industry that people think are cool will embrace him.

I watched both “crazy” videos and it made me remember why i like adam so much and never liked archie much. (nothing against archie, just not my thing). Good luck to them both though.

Viewership is down from last year, but there were more than double the text messages?

It seems kind of funny but really text messaging has only been in vogue for several years. It just seems like it has been forever. And really it has been only the last couple of years that AT&T offered plans with unlimited texting. Before that it was maybe 1500 at the max a month and people could burn through that at an alarming rate and then I think it went to 10 cents per text after. Some plans even charged you for every text…I know because the first few months after my husband found out about texting our bill skyrocketed to $300.

Now can you imagine people texting for an idol contestant when it may have cost them “standard text messaging rates”. Now that texting is unlimited it is so much easier to think nothing of texting several 1000 times for your fav.

So AT&T and AI are really full of shit when they say VOTING has increased. Yea, the number of votes may have gone up but that is because the average Joe went from texting 50 times to texting a 1000 times.

I really think that AI has to come up with a better plan since the voting is now really skewed to BIG voting blocks. But, I am only a little peon who uses another network and I’ll be damned if I’ll ever switch to AT&T to vote for an AI contestant.

David Archuleta is NOT the topic of this thread. So KNOCK OFF the fan war.

Wow, who knew there’d be a cross-season ‘who’s the bestest runner-up evah’ fanwar in this thread of all places? Anyway, is this the News thread for the day?

I just came to drop off this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZrZp67KcSM&feature=channel_page

David Cook tells NYU students and others that he’s excited to welcome a new Idol into the AI family, and, technically speaking, a bunch of new Idols from S8 into the AI mafia. He encourages everyone in the crowd to keep supporting Kris and Adam and Danny, and the rest of S8 Idols in the coming months. He also says congrats to Kris. And then he sings all purty-like.

By the way–Katherine McPhee is also a successful runner-up, albeit in a non-musical way. Her first movie made a 50million $ profit. She’s co-starring in a second film to come out next year. Not bad. I believe she’s also signed a Nivea endorsement deal for a million bucks.

Anyway, is this the News thread for the day?

Well. No. I’ll let it pass because it’s tangentially related to what we’re disucssing, but I definitely want to keep this thread on topic. Random news belongs in the headlines thread. Thank you.

I believe sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s also signed a Nivea endorsement deal for a million bucks.

Good for her, its always a blessing to have good genes, something to fall back on when you don’t have much talent.

I really think that AI has to come up with a better plan since the voting is now really skewed to BIG voting blocks. But, I am only a little peon who uses another network and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be damned if Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll ever switch to AT&T to vote for an AI contestant.

Tess, you are so right. I have AT&T, but that’s because everyone at my work has AT&T. But if I didn’t, I wouldn’t switch just to vote for an AI contestant, no matter how much I loved them. I agree, I think AI has to come up with a better plan. People who don’t have AT&T are at a disadvantage when it comes to text voting. I would love to know how many people sign up for AT&T phones just to vote? How much business does AT&T get from this show?

I really think that AI has to come up with a better plan since the voting is now really skewed to BIG voting blocks. But, I am only a little peon who uses another network and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be damned if Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll ever switch to AT&T to vote for an AI contestant.

Totally! I agree, though you know, I bet TPTB like the way it works now because it creates die hard fans that are sure to buy albums and spend money.

I did convince a friend of mine to write me a iPhone app for power voting. Just set it and forget it for the two hours. If we can get it working and through iTunes approval process, we’ll have it out for next season.

No, this is not a commercial for it, so I hope it does not come out that way. I just want it for me and figured others would like it too.

I don;t have the time to power vote for 2 hours. But to play in the AI world, you need to power vote – to Tess’ original point.

I figure either TPTB can make it a more even playing field or technology can help out a bit I figure.

Why is Bikini Girl trying to fulfill the role of Kellie Pickler this season?

Pickler’s a rocket scientist by comparison.

I loved Kelly pickler.She’s dumb as they come but i liked her voice.I forget how far she came in the competition but i like her more than i like Bikini Girl.I think Allison reminds me of Kelly because of the awakard moments and goofy personality.

David Cook tells NYU students and others that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s excited to welcome a new Idol into the AI family, and, technically speaking, a bunch of new Idols from S8 into the AI mafia. He encourages everyone in the crowd to keep supporting Kris and Adam and Danny, and the rest of S8 Idols in the coming months. He also says congrats to Kris. And then he sings all purty-like.

He’s a class act. Clay should hang out with him and learn a thing or two :annoyed_tb:

archie is off topic in this thread

Adam is always smiling. He looks so happy all the time!! Its nice to see people who love life.

Clay has become such a diva. Its a turn-off. Why so bitter Clay??

I use to like Clay but i have little to say about him.I’m glad he didnt win.He has a nice voice but he didnt derserve to win.Clay is just jealous of adam.He
wishes that he was good as adam.

It’s funny to see the comments about Clay, he use to be such a diplomat. I guess when you have a career you can be magnanimous, but when it’s going down the tubes I guess you have to bring attention to yourself. Either by stating the obvious,while pimping your baby on the cover of People, or by bashing a pretty cool, talented guy. He’s about as bright and self aware as bikini girl. That she was pwned by Kara is like divine reciprocity for sure, lol. Kara sang better, and has the better body, how about that!

For the record Pickler’s not dumb, but cagey like a fox. Listen to her now. She knew exactly what she was doing. She’s not the best singer, but she’s got something special, besides her looks. I think she is gonna really catch on in about 5 years or so, and then watch out.

I guess it took almost 2 1/2 months for Adam’s momentum to vanish. RoF was a stealth bomb that is for sure, lol.

I ripped mp3s of Adam and Kris’ telephone press conference calls – it’s a pretty fascinating listen. Click here to get them.

mj
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm
David Archuleta is NOT the topic of this thread. So KNOCK OFF the fan war.

SEE! we need 1 fan wars thread per year! so this wont happen! hahaha

Speaking of a Kradam moment… I don’t know if you have posted this or not, MJ, but it is cute enough to watch more than once

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdrl66RI0bc&eurl=http://www.krisallenation.com/&feature=player_embedded

awwww…

abbysee May 23rd, 2009 at 11:55 pm

I guess it took almost 2 1/2 months for Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s momentum to vanish. RoF was a stealth bomb that is for sure, lol.

RMFAO

Kradam is killing me of cuteness.They put friendships everywhere to shame.

Perhaps Clayton wanted more from Adam than a duet and was turned down. You know what they say about an old Queen scorned…

oh man Arca, thank you SOOO much for the radio downloads!! not only was there stuff not covered in most of the articles stemming from that phone conference but man… i could listen to adam talk for hours.

maybe im a hopeless fangirl at this point and will love anything he does, but is his speaking voice not sexy? maybe it’s the smart things he is saying that make it so sexy but good lord i love him.

i really have no doubt that he will do great things. he might have a lot of hype to live up to, but every time i hear him talk about what he wants to do and how he wants to do it, he just sounds so convincing and confident. i really believe he will go far because i know he will work his tail off and be smart about it.

and humble and thoughtful as always. le sigh.

:wub_tb:

oh man Arca, thank you SOOO much for the radio downloads!!

Indeed and Allison too :clap_tb:

CCAdamFan
May 23rd, 2009 at 5:58 pm
More Kradam Luvà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.this is all kinds of awesome!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9A6v2jajYM

I LOVE this Kradam Finale song I’ll Remember You for the Ford commercial! I thought the song was lovely and had a catchy tune, plus they sounded great together!

The video has most of their famous hugs and stolen glances!

I’ll second the motion to have them release the full version! That would be a great “Good-bye Package” video song for next season!

Next weeks TV schedule:

Kris on Ellen & Regis Monday?

Kris and Adam (everyone else) on Larry King

Adam performing on the Early Show on Tuesday for a taped segment???

Adam on Regis Wednesday

Kris and Adam performing on the Today Show on Thursday

Kris performing on the Early Show on Thursday

Adam on Mike & Juliet Friday(?)

anymore?

Oh Clay, let’s review what went down, ok?
Please read the following: (Quotes courtesy of the Chicago Sun Times)

“Though it looks likely Adam Lambert will be the next ”American Idol” winner, ex-”Idol” runner-up Clay Aiken already is reaching out to Lambert – looking to team up with the edgy singer for a possible duets album and concert tour.

“That was just one reason for the backstage tension on the ”Idol” set in Hollywood last week, when Aiken showed up unannounced but expecting the VIP treatment. ”I don’t know why Clay felt that way,” said a show staffer who has been on board since the reality talent show was launched. ”Everyone knows — and certainly Clay knows — he’s persona non grata around here.”

”To say the least, it was tense around here when Clay showed up — and boy, did they hustle him off the premises as fast as possible. If he didn’t get the hint after that — he never will.”

So Clay, let’s do a timeline. Ready, set, let’s go:
1. You try to get to Adam backstage at Idol. Idol get’s you the hell outta there. You do not get to talk to Adam.
2. You get mad & diss Adam. Did it slip your mind at the time of the diss, that you liked his voice so well you tried to get backstage to discuss a duet with him?? Oh it did? See above Clay.
3. Fan’s are in an uproar & now you realize you may have stepped on too many fan’s toes, so you try to recant.

Nada dude. A douche is a douche is a douche. Douche Deluxe.

ETA.. This song comes to mind about Clay wanting to duet with Adam:
“Ride, ride, ride, hitchin’ a ride”

i really have no doubt that he will do great things. he might have a lot of hype to live up to, but every time i hear him talk about what he wants to do and how he wants to do it, he just sounds so convincing and confident. i really believe he will go far because i know he will work his tail off and be smart about it.

Adam also has a “wow” factor on first impression – the signature wail may not be to everyone’s taste but it sure makes an impact! – and that’s important. If you’re, say, guesting on tv shows around the world and you have just that one moment to lodge yourself in people’s consciousness, you’d better bring something exciting to the party. He does.

That’s why I believe Simon thinks he could be a star and wanted him to win so badly – because he has the face, the style and the vocal “party trick” to impress almost regardless of what music he actually makes. There really aren’t that many people who can do that.

I hope it happens for him.

I loved Kelly pickler.Sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s dumb as they come but i liked her voice.I forget how far she came in the competition but i like her more than i like Bikini Girl

I don’t think I’d call Kellie P dumb. She can act a little ditzy but I think she’s figured out her schtick. And I like everyone I’ve seen on AI more than bikini girl. She was horrid. I even rank Antonella Barber above her and my opinion of her is lower than a snake’s belly.

I am not a Clay fan and I happen to agree with his opinion about making my ears bleed LOL but even though he’s entitled to his opinion, he shouldn’t have said anything even if it is his blog. “Discretion is the better part of valour” so he needs to know that it’s best to not say anything.

Queenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Brian May tells Rollingstone that the band hasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t offered Adam Lambert the vacant lead singerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s job in Queen yet….

Please, doesn’t Brian know that A.I. owns Lambert and Adam does not have the option to decide, nor could Adam sign with Queen. That would only be an option if 19M/E don’t pick up their option and since Adam is getting a record deal, he’s good & stuck with them. At a later date, if they drop Adam, then he has the option but if Adam wants to cut his ties he better have some really good lawyers. If 19M/E drops Adam, it’s because he isn’t making money for them and then nobody will want him anyway.

E News reports that Chris Brown in in the studio working on a country song, and Robert Allen, a writer and producer working with him says Carrie Underwood is a possible duet partner. Did they even ask Carrie? I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t imagine sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d touch that PR disaster with a 10 foot poleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Yeah that’s rich. Some DJs won’t even play Chris Brown on the radio after his little stunt. Right, I can just see Carrie, the girl-next-door superstar paring up with that loser. Sure, he would need her to salvage his career but what’s in it for her? ZERO and it would be a PR disaster of mega proportions. Where do they come up with this stuff?

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“More than 178 million text messages crossed its network as fans interacted with the countryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s No. 1 TV show this season – the highest total for any season and more than double the 78 million messages AT&T reported last year.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Well, I can’t text to save my life and not having a querty keyboard to do it with is too painful. That would explain why dial idol could not predict a winner and why Zabasearch had incorrectly declared Adam as a winner (albeit it was close). I got 15 votes in 2 hours and that is so wasteful of 2 hours of my time. So maybe it really wasn’t a close race, especially if people like me don’t vote until the final and used text messages only. The phone dialing I did was useless.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s why I believe Simon thinks he could be a star and wanted him to win so badly – because he has the face, the style and the vocal à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“party trickà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to impress almost regardless of what music he actually makes. There really arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t that many people who can do that.

Well, I’ve been to a number of shows on Broadway and Vegas and those people are really good (you have to be) and there are tons of “Adams” there. I don’t recall Adam being the lead in any of the shows he was associated with but just an understudy. That’s pretty good to be an understudy with all the picks they have that go through the cattle-calls for these shows. As Gene Simmons (KISS) said, Adam is not a “rocker” but more the Broadway type. It’s in his blood. If I want to get that type of “wow” factor, I go see a show but I almost never buy the record. You lose that affect on a record. When you go to a “show” it’s okay to wail now and then because the person maybe sings a couple of songs but wail after wail on a record would be overkill. With the exception of a couple of his performances/songs, he followed the same pattern of building up the song and wailing at the top of his lungs (screaming) which folks thought was fantastic??? He is a good showman but very predictable. When he’s off on tour after the A.I. tour, there better be a lot of money in the budget for the extras like KISS has. I mean could you imagine KISS just showing up on stage like normal people and just singing (no props, no fireworks, etc.) It won’t have the impact it’s designed to have.

I think Simon would hurt Adam’s career.Isnt his record company 19? Its suck for any artist to be signed with them.I think Kris is also joining that company.
I heard from articles that its artist suicide?

Well, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been to a number of shows on Broadway and Vegas and those people are really good (you have to be) and there are tons of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Adamsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  there.

I can believe that. I guess I should have qualified my last sentence upthread with “…that has just appeared on the world’s biggest tv show”. Because the vast majority of the public never go to Broadway or Vegas so they don’t come across all these other Adams. To a great many people he’d be something bright and shiny and exceptional – and Cowell is a master of hype. If he can make people believe that Susan Boyle is the greatest ever undiscovered talent, Adam ought to be a cinch. :rolleyes_tb: I’m sure Simon viewed him as a potentially easy sell, anyway.

(Not that I’m convinced Simon would necessarily take an interest in Adam now, by the way. Much easier to hype a winner than a runner-up, and with all the other irons he has in the fire (Ms Boyle, Leona Lewis, Alexandra Burke plus all his tv work) he may well pass.)

If I want to get that type of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“wowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  factor, I go see a show but I almost never buy the record. You lose that affect on a record. When you go to a à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s okay to wail now and then because the person maybe sings a couple of songs but wail after wail on a record would be overkill.

Agreed, but I’m guessing it would be used only sparingly on his album. His studio versions from AI are a lot more toned down than his live performances in that regard. The wail is his hook, so to speak, the icing on the cake to get people to notice him, not the cake itself.

Well, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been to a number of shows on Broadway and Vegas and those people are really good (you have to be) and there are tons of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Adamsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  there.

Well, I’ve been to dozens of Broadway and London musicals, and heard some of the greatest but I never heard anyone like Adam. Is he the greatest signer on the planet? No, I think that the great Italian tenors have that one locked up. But, in the realm of popular music, Adam has an unusual vocal range along with great articulation and impressive vocal power.

When was the last time an unknow starred in a Broadway musical? And what male lead do you cast Adam in? The challenge for Adam is that countertenor parts for males leads in musicals are rare — because so few can sign in this range with ease or hit these notes wth any power. I also think that producers think people expect to hear a tenor sing these parts. When Adam uses his full range he is he is truly amazing — but it’s because of his upper register. (for example “Come to Me, Bend to Me” from ” Brigadoon).

Adam didn’t need to win Idol, but without the exposure that Idol gave him AND his now proven popularity, he has a lot of open doors — including Broadway. Personally, I hoping that he stays on his stated course to produce his own theatrical, fusion music.

Brian May said “[Roger Taylor] and I are definitely hoping to have a meaningful conversation with him at some point. It’s not like we, as Queen, would rush into coalescing with another singer just like that. It isn’t that easy. But I’d certainly like to work with Adam. That is one amazing instrument he has there.”

Somehow I think that Brian May may know a bit more about rock singers than we do. I mean he worked with Freddy Mercury for 20 years.

Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s why I believe Simon thinks he could be a star and wanted him to win so badly -

Simon has a conflict of interest. If his first consideration is his own potential commercial investment in Adam, he can’t really objectively evaluate the other contestants. How much, for instance, was his continual put-down of Kris motivated by his wish to slow him down in order to help Adam, rather than by a wish to honestly evaluate his performances? When Adam had an off night, how much did Simon cover it up with praise in order to advance his own interest?

Who know what actually was going on with Simon?

But I have one question, so what? Is there anyone who voted for Adam because of Simon? The only comments that I have read were that it caused people to vote against Adam. Even Danny said it thought it caused Adam to loose.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ Everyone knows à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  and certainly Clay knows à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s persona non grata around here.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Why? A few seasons ago this wasn’t at all the case.

@ Gene Simmons: Bwah! Schwing! B!tchslap alert!

So Queen closes the show AGAIN after Kiss blows their latest wad of pyrotechnics.

If Gene Simmons did not consider Adam a “rock” singer, that’s because Kiss was never known for having a rock singer in the band. Queen, on the other hand, had one of rock’s greatest singers ever.

And the gracious and encouraging Brian May, who was courteous and helpful to every contestant as a mentor, really has a lot more credibility about who is a great rock singer, having worked with Freddie Mercury, than anyone in Kiss.

And I’ve sworn off the Kara-bashing. She was fabulous singing extemporaenously in Bikini Girl’s audition and she has enough royalty checks not to have to prove anything to anyone. Including you, Slezak.

If 19M/E drops Adam, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s because he isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t making money for them and then nobody will want him anyway.

Not necessarily true. They dropped both Jordin and Archie–and both were successful and made money for Jive. Jive is happy with both and has renewed their options with both. I know Archie signed with Azoff which is a management powerhouse. I don’t know who Jordin is with–but she’s doing just fine. She earned more than 3 million this year.

Adam’s and Kiss’s music video duet holding at number 1 on ITUNES. Gene Simmons should just say thank you to AI and Adam. I’m sure it irks him that the buzz is about Adam and not him.

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s and Kissà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music video duet holding at number 1 on ITUNES. Gene Simmons should just say thank you to AI and Adam. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure it irks him that the buzz is about Adam and not him.

If you look at the Kiss fan sites, they are begging for Adam to tour with Kiss. It must be driving Gene nuts!! But I’m sure that he love the media and fan hype — this was all about promoting the upcoming Kiss tour.

I, for one, hope I never see Adam with Kiss again. But I do love Adam’s solo of Beth and admit I downloaded it solely for this.

I, for one, hope I never see Adam with Kiss again. But I do love Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s solo of Beth and admit I downloaded it solely for this.

Me too!! I wonder if its possible for Adam to cover it in the future…

arca, thank you so much for those interviews! Adam is one smart guy. He was asked about whether he’ll tone done his “theatrics” on his album and he points out that by its very nature an album is going to be less theatrical than a live performance. He mentions his itunes studio versions, which are always less OTT than his live performances. Adam gets it. He knows what works on a recording and what works in a live show. He’s the best of both worlds…someone I love listening to on my ipod and someone I can’t wait to see perform and take the song to the next level live.

I think the thing to remember with Adam (or any of the idols) is that’s its not the amount of people who don’t like his style, it’s how big is the potential market of people who do. Many folks hate Nickleback, but man there are lots of people who love that stuff. Ditto Beyonce and Britney Spears, both artists who attract all kind of negative comments on any blog in which they are mentioned. Yet they remain big stars who sell not only records, but magazines and whatever else someone sticks their face on.

Adam is interested in an electronica-laced sound, which is hot right now, and does seem to know how to dial it back in recordings. He has a distinctive voice for radio and a unique delivery in that realm. Plus he knows how to put on a hell of a show. I think he has a shot with the right songs. There are lots of people who will be turned off by him but the market for the type of sound he seems to be aiming for is big. I feel the same way about Kris actually, providing they let him have the kind of quiet, organic sounding very well written songs he needs. It will be interesting who they hire production wise and who they pair him with for co-writes.

I think 19 needs to break a bit with tradition for both of them if these guys are going to shine. Lets see if they pull it off.

Viewership is down from last year, but there were more than double the text messages?

I’ll believe the voting totals once they release the real numbers. It makes nooo sense. You lose 25 million people but gain almost 100 million more votes?? Yeah right.

I think the thing to remember with Adam (or any of the idols) is thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s its not the amount of people who donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like his style, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s how big is the potential market of people who do.

Preach!!! :clap_tb:

Some people think you’ve made it when you can buy a corvette or a house. I believe you make it when you have a bunch of haters….. LOL

Just deleted a whole bunch of posts. Had to do it, because it was never going to end, and I have better things to do this afternoon than moderate this thread.

Do a search. We had the conversation several times already. No need to have it again.

Viewership is down from last year, but there were more than double the text messages?

I believe it. More folks are text voting than using a landline. It will probably go even higher next year as more folks become used to texting and the unlimited packages.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“BUT first Clay tried so publically to get Adam to do a duet on his album, and was rebuffed by 19E. If Adam made his à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“ears bleedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  why try and do a duet with him?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Not defending Clay for his comments but what youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“reportingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  comes straight from the National Enquirer. No credible source has confirmed it. A Chicago Sun Times gossip column with an equal reputation for credibility (none) picked up the story and it snowballed from there. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just one of those crazy stories that IMO was just an attempt to work the angle of Clay is gay and Adam is too so naturally one must be interested in a duet with the other. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a dumb story IMO and highly unlikely to be true.

Yeah – that story was picked up everywhere by lazy journalists. He actually went to AI to show off his son. Then the rumor started that he was there to try to get Adam to record with him.

I think Clay spoke before thinking which everyone does. But that man can’t fart without it being picked up by every media outlet. He’s entitled to his opinion. Adam is not everyone’s cup of tea – hence, he lost – which pisses me off because I am an Adam fan!

Here is a radio video with Eber (Dad) Lambert with the Jeff & Jer show in San Diego. Adam phones in!! It sounds like Adam will be going on Leno.

http://jeffandjer.star941sandiego.com/pageà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦article=5497005

awww. Eber and Adam were too cute.

adam is a lucky young man to have such supportive and genuinely loving parents.

thanks for the link, Virgo03v!

In my opinion Clay had nothing to apologize for, I agreed with every word he said, in both blogs and the point was totally lost that AI is all about the machinations and yet they didn’t work.

I am thrilled that Kris won because he is truly what AI is all about, a non-professional trying for that big break. Also he had the improvement arc that Adam did not have.

Let’s face it when it comes to the final 2, as Clay pointed out, it is possible to vote against someone and I am sure that Kris got “anyone but Adam” votes.

What Clay said about Adam is nothing compared to all the shit that has been slung his way over the years, 99% of it unwarranted.

AI breeds fan wars and that is sad.

What you or I blog about regarding Kris or Adam is one thing, but to Clay it is quite another. There is the matter of ethics. People of any common profession, that knows and respects ethics, choose their words carefully about their peers. Clay’s remarks are UNETHICAL. He crossed a line that professionals respect. The only professions that do not practise ethics are blood sports. Clay doesn’t want to go there.

Disagree. It was impolitic–but not unethical. Big difference.

My husband is a lawyer and I am a RN. I know about ethics. He breached ethics.

I am thrilled that Kris won because he is truly what AI is all about, a non-professional trying for that big break. Also he had the improvement arc that Adam did not have.

Kris said himself in an interview that he has as much experience as Adam, so its incorrect to say Adam is more of a professional than Kris. In addition, Kris already had a CD out. Adam never did.

As far as what AI is about, its about finding a worldwide superstar. We will have to wait until Kris’s album comes out to see if he fits that definition.

As far as Clay is concerned he’s a non-issue. Its just a tactic to get some media attention. I mean, he just lost his music label, and he came across as bitter and jealous. Attitude and perception is VERY important in industries where you are in the public eye.

Yeah – that story was picked up everywhere by lazy journalists. He actually went to AI to show off his son. Then the rumor started that he was there to try to get Adam to record with him.

Clay’s son was born months ago. Why would he think anyone would want to see him now? There’s more to that story. Clay didn’t just blast Adam, but he blasted AI too, which is wrong since he’d still be a teacher in NC making 30 grand a year if it wasn’t for American Idol. you don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

Kris does have a CD but its a self-made CD.So if you make a CD in a basement that means you made a real CD and sent it to places?It never got anywhere.Adam been on stages he got somewhere.He was a understudy for huge plays.All Kris did was play gigs and he said it didnt work out.

I think AI screwed Clay over.My guess is its like what they did to Kelly Clarkson? Everyone is aloud a opinon.I hate how its not aloud to hate
Adam.Sure he’s a nice humble guy but i find his singing and vocals to
be over the top and annoying.

My husband is a lawyer and I am a RN. I know about ethics. He breached ethics.

I’ve studied ethics as well. Entertainers are not involved in the kinds of legal or medical moral issues that lawyers and nurses routinely face. It’s never unethical for a performer to critique another performer’s singing style or to critique a show–which is what Aiken did. As a singer and entertainer himself, he certainly has the appropriate background to do so responsibly. That’s not unethical in any way whatsoever.

As far as what AI is about, its about finding a worldwide superstar. We will have to wait until Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album comes out to see if he fits that definition.

That’s this year’s definition. In past years it was all about finding the best singer. Next year it’ll be something else. Kris will be happy to make a living making music. I don’t think he cares if he becomes a superstar–so long as he can get in the game. Good for him–he’s going to have a happy life.

[quote]Kris said himself in an interview that he has as much experience as Adam, so its incorrect to say Adam is more of a professional than Kris. In addition, Kris already had a CD out. Adam never did.[/quote]

I love Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ for saying that to defend Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s experience, but his experience doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t compare to Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s at all. Adam has been in the musical theater business for almost ten years, doing it right in L.A., which is arguably the center of entertainment in the U.S. All that Kris has done is play gigs in small bars in Arkansas and thereabouts. His CD was self-produced, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the equivalent of me recording my own songs and making my own CD. In terms of Idol winners, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say Kris is less experienced à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“professionallyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  than David Cook or even Kelly Clarkson.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not stating this as a diss to Adam, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just stating a fact. Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s experience gave him an edge in the competition, and thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s nothing wrong with that!

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not stating this as a diss to Adam, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just stating a fact. Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s experience gave him an edge in the competition, and thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s nothing wrong with that!

But it does mean Clay had a point. The show is rapidly losing its way–becoming something other than what it started out to be. It’s a lot less fun and a lot more boring.

melvel May 24th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not stating this as a diss to Adam, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just stating a fact. Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s experience gave him an edge in the competition, and thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s nothing wrong with that!

Actually visually it gave Adam an edge but in the competition, it did not. He even said it himself he had to try and forget all he had learned in the theater in order to connect with the audience in front of him. Plus his actual time in theater was either in the chorus or chorus/understudy with a few solos here and there.

You see, while on stage, you can’t see the audience due to the bright lights. They are quite far away. You hear them, but there is a huge disconnect. You have to concentrate on who is on stage with you and where your mark is and where the light is going to be and the orchestra.

He did some club work on the side (when not working in retail) and Kris worked in clubs and bars for years. He was right there with the audience, connecting with them, learning to perform to that group of people right in front of him. That is the kind of experience that helps on AI.

Kris said himself in an interview that he has as much experience as Adam, so its incorrect to say Adam is more of a professional than Kris. In addition, Kris already had a CD out. Adam never did.

Kris can say he has as much experience as Adam but that doesn’t make it true. Has Kris been working as a professional entertainer for the past 5-6 years? Don’t think so, he was still in high school 5 years ago.

Elliot Yamin has said that Kris is boring, is he now going to get in trouble too?

Anyone know if Adam has a Twitter account? There is a Tweet out from The Real Adam Lambert saying Clay is entitled to his opinion and that anyone who gets bothered by anything negative about them won’t go very far.

People of any common profession, that knows and respects ethics, choose their words carefully about their peers.

If this were the case, every time an author wrote a book review he/she would have to be super-careful to give his/her approval. That makes no sense. People in the arts have every right to critique one another negatively without being considered unethical. Clay was totally in the right–though he caught some flak because of what he said. But that’s a different issue–a p.r. problem, not an ethical problem.

Elliot Yamin has said that Kris is boring

oh, Elliott boo, don’t hate; appreciate. The judges called you boring, too.

I didnt even know Elliot called Kris boring.I never liked Elliot but know i have even more hate for him.I think If Elliot was more popular then it would of been a big deal.Nobody cares for Elliot much anymore.He didnt win and he didnt make hits.

Where did Elliot called Kris boring? I dont remember.I do remember him saying how he hated Kris singing the judge’s song choice.Elliot should look like idoit because Kris won and will be big and Elliot didnt get far.

Adam twittered:“Clay can have his opinion. That’s fine. If you get upset about any negativity anyone says you’ll never go far at all.”

praepos
May 24th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Elliot Yamin has said that Kris is boring, is he now going to get in trouble too?

Apparently only if he criticizes Adam.

I’ve criticized Elliott but not for saying Kris is boring. He’s entitled to his opinion. My problem with Elliott is he said that Kris came in 3rd like him. Ooooppps. Sucks to be you Elliott because Kris actually won and ummm you did, indeed, come in 3rd….ya know the place where by the time you get the PR tour, nobody freaking cares. . I’ve also criticized Elliott for being so petty as to give Kris shit for singing the A in apologize and not like it was done on the album. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised since Elliott’s best song was a complete karaoke of a cover. Yup, I’ve criticized Elliott but most people ignore it because, I guess, that they know Elliott was wrong and hve no comeback for me but still choose to love him.

Please rest assured, I’d have felt the same about Elliott had he been an asshole to Adam. An asshole by any name would smell the same.

Adam twittered:à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Clay can have his opinion. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fine. If you get upset about any negativity anyone says youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll never go far at all.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Is this actually Adam or some impostor?

It seems like there are a gazzillion people impersonating everyone. Adam should make a link to his twitter on his official page. That would clear everything up. I just don’t even think he has time to twitter.

Adam doesn’t have a twitter. That’s a fake.

sorry, wrong thread

Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have a twitter. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a fake.

Untrue.
There are fake ones, but there is a real one, too.

Adam doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have a twitter. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a fake.

Untrue.
There are fake ones, but there is a real one, too.

…and we know this how? I wonder how he and Kris would have had time these past few days to brush their teeth let alone Twitter.

As far as I know, Adam & Kris are not allowed Twitter accounts. Adam used to have a My Space and it was directed to the American Idol site after he became a contestant. The only offical webiste that he has is:

http://www.adamofficial.com/

You can sign up for his newsletter to get his appearance dates and recordings as they come out and all the info a fan might want. The newsletter is done by SONY. And, yes, I signed up! The site was put online Thursday AM after the results show.

However, I am unsure of the other Top 13–if they can have Twitter accounts.

On the other note: I never heard Elliot say anything negative about either Kris or Adam. Not saying he never did–just never heard it. I have heard him on Idol Wrap and other such shows being very positive about both guys. He thought Adam’s range was “some kind of crazy”– but nothing negative, that I ever heard.

praepos–of course there are critiques, reviews, judging and ruling boards over and within professions. Clay is not part of any of that. He said some very raw comments on one performance, admitting it was the only one he heard. Now, that I find surprising as it is common knowledge and many witnessed his arrival at the Idol set in an attempt to broker a deal with Adam for a duet album. He had prior problems with 19 and it resulted in some strained relationships. He was reportedly promptly escorted off the lot. Then he makes this comment–AFTER. If that is not sour grapes and bad ethics–I realy do not know what is. Even he must have seen the errors of his ways or why do such a twisted and lengthy apology?

I am not saying it would stop me from buying any of Clay’s work. The guys is a helluva talent. I am not comparing him to say a Micahel Vic–but it was not the right thing for him to have done. You do not see it as a breach of ethics, but I maintain it was.

praeposà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’of course there are critiques, reviews, judging and ruling boards over and within professions. Clay is not part of any of that. He said some very raw comments on one performance, admitting it was the only one he heard. Now, that I find surprising as it is common knowledge and many witnessed his arrival at the Idol set in an attempt to broker a deal with Adam for a duet album. He had prior problems with 19 and it resulted in some strained relationships. He was reportedly promptly escorted off the lot.

Even if what you report were true about his arrival on the Idol set–and there’s evidence it’s nothing more than unsubstantiated gossip–, Clay’s comment still wouldn’t be unethical per se. You’d have to know his motivation was to deliberately lie about Adam’s singing–and that’s unknowable.

Besides, you made the general statement that it was unethical for anyone in a profession to criticize a peer negatively. That’s simply false. It’s done all the time. Politicians criticize the politics of other politicians. Professors criticize the studies of other professors. Lawyers criticize the legal maneuvers of other lawyers. No one in entertainment, of all places, needs to be part of a professional review board or its equivalent in order to legitimately criticize another entertainer.

I think AI screwed Clay over.My guess is its like what they did to Kelly Clarkson?

Oh yes, I’m sure they’re crying all the way to the bank. Clay’s dismal music and his big mouth are his worst enemy, not AI.

But it does mean Clay had a point. The show is rapidly losing its wayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’becoming something other than what it started out to be. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a lot less fun and a lot more boring.

If Clay did have a point, it got lost among the whining and self-pity. He also hasn’t watched Idol in years, he says, so his opinion means even less.

It’s easy to romanticize the early Idol shows. Actually the show was always manipulative and deceitful, it hasn’t changed that much. There have been good and bad seasons, and even that is in the eye of the beholder. I loved season 7 and didn’t find it boring, while others did, and I thought this was one of the worst seasons ever, while others thought it was one of the best, so it’s all subjective.

Season 2 (Clay’s season) had boring contestants on like Carmen, Corey, Trenyce, Kim Caldwell, Vanessa, Julia and Charles. It was not “more fun” in my eyes except for the top 3, Clay, Ruben, and Kim Locke, who put on quite a show.

This season, the most boring contestants were the ones with no experience, the kind that Clay romanticizes. Actually Clay himself had made demos and tried to shop them around before the show, and Ruben was not without experience himself. This year, if Adam, for instance, hadn’t been on the show, a lot of people might not have even watched it, it was so amateurish and dull. Kris himself needed time to grow before he became interesting.

I don’t know what Clay is whining about because this year the show had plenty of inexperienced and unpolished contestants, even Allison fits that definition, so his complaining about the show being too polished is just hot air. If he had watched the show aside from a few minutes (which conveniently happened to be ROF, a claim I find hard to believe) he might have seen that he was wrong about all that.

So AT&T and AI are really full of shit when they say VOTING has increased. Yea, the number of votes may have gone up but that is because the average Joe went from texting 50 times to texting a 1000 times.

Thank you. But make it 6000 instead of 1000. That is the real story this year, and I hope the media covers it. Because it’s unfair to people who don’t text and don’t have AT&T. The voting was always insane but it got worse. Nothing against Kris, but I think this needs to be looked at before next season.

You make some good points. But I do think the four judge set-up further de-emphasized the contestants and limited the number of songs performed. This made the show very boring to watch for the most part. The wild card thing was dull and the save for Matt was anticlimactic. The judges themselves seemed far more scripted and the pimping by producers has become ludicrously obvious. And the fillers–including the comedic walk-ons during the finale–are getting old. The show seems tired–and bewildered about what to do next to heighten interest. Even Seacrest seemed less confident about it all.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and we know this how? I wonder how he and Kris would have had time these past few days to brush their teeth let alone Twitter.

The one I quoted was fake (my bad!) but I think I was able to finally find the real one.
All you have to do is find someone who you 100% know he would be following and then spend three hours combing through their list.

Even if what you report were true about his arrival on the Idol setà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s evidence ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s nothing more than unsubstantiated gossipà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’, Clayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s comment still wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be unethical per se. Youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d have to know his motivation was to deliberately lie about Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s singingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s unknowable.

I think Bill Zwecker, Sun-Times Columnist, is regarded fairly highly. That is where I first read the report about Clay going to the Idol set. I have since read it in other reports.

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/1568484,CST-FTR-zp12.article

It is based upon this, I think, makes Clay’s motivation quite clear.

Lie about his singing? What? He offered an opinion to a fellow fan. I do not know if that is a “lie”. Again–it was a nasty comment from a fellow Idol contestant about another Idol contestant. That brings me right back to ethics.

oceana–I could not agree with you more. This was an AT&T fiasco. I am SURE I will never participate in the voting again. I admit I love the show–but the voting is just a ridiculous corporate money grab. It put a terrible paul over the entire show for me.

AT&T products for texting are more geared to the younger audience, I am sure. But what about Ford, another big sponsor? It’s hard enough today for an audlt with a good credit score to get a loan for a new Ford–it sure ain’t the kiddies. I wonder if Ford is balking about this? Seems they should. Coke is somewhere stuck in the middle.

I, too, hate the 4 judges. 1 minute 40 second songs and then 10 minutes of yak. Dump a judge! More song!