New American Idol Runner-up Contract Allows for Lower Payouts, Singles Only Deals

AMERICAN IDOL: Idol Finaist Jessica Sanchez performs during the season 11 AMERICAN IDOL GRAND FINALE at the Nokia Theatre on Weds. May 23, 2012 in Los Angeles, California.  CR: Michael Becker/FOX

According to an Associated Press report, the runner-up contract for season 11 makes a provision for a singles only situation for the first time in American Idol’s history.

Wednesday night’s runner-up, 16-year-old Jessica Sanchez, doesn’t have a definite shot at producing an album and could be paid as little as $30,000 in advances for recording singles, according to the “Idol” contract she and other Season 11 contestants signed earlier this year.

The agreement appears to be the first time in “Idol’s” history that producers are not offering the show’s runner-up an album deal that in previous years came with a guaranteed advance of at least $175,000, an Associated Press review of the Fox show’s contracts reveals.

If Jessica  is given an album deal (and I totally think she will)  she will receive the same $175,000 bonus that Lauren Alaina was paid last year.  But 19R  has replaced a guaranteed album deal for the runner-up with a staggered “Development Period” that requires less music and pays out less in advances.

Jessica  could be paid as little as $30,000 if she is asked to perform four single songs, or $60,000 if she records an “EP” of between four and 10 songs.

I didn’t realize the runner-up was offered a guaranteed recording contract, even though every 2nd place Idol has been awarded a contract and released an album. However, alternatives to an album deal have never been specifically laid out like they appear to be in this new contract.

Again, I don’t think Jessica will be relegated to releasing a couple of singles for UMG and 19R. She’s going to make an album, or I’ll eat my hat. So, don’t fret Jessica fans!

Jessica’s contract came to light due to her minor status.  California law requires that minor contracts be made available to the courts for review in order to setup a trust fund that will be available to the minor when they turn 18.  Last year, due to Scotty McCreery and Lauren Alaina’s minor status, we got a glimpse at the winner and runner-ups contracts.

ETA:  Phillip will get the same deal that Scotty McCreery got last year.  Contract details for the rest of the finalists are also revealed.

“Idol” winner Phillip Phillips will receive the same $300,000 advance given to last year’s winner, Scotty McCreery, upon completion of his first album, according to the contracts. Finalists who placed third and lower could receive deals to record singles, EPs or full albums, with the lowest advance amounting to $24,000 if they complete their commitment to record up to four single songs.

Higher advances are paid if 19 Recordings agrees to produce more albums, with Phillips eligible to receive up to $800,000 for a six-album deal.

 

  • Kylee

    She will for sure get signed, Jimmy is very interested in her and I remember somebody else being interested(guy who started Mariah Carey’s career).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    I remember mj you posting about the advances last year that Scotty and Lauren were going to receive and it’s certainly new news to me that the runner up was guaranteed a record deal even though every single 2nd place finisher since the show began did receive a contract.   With this info, it leads me to question that since UMG is in the driver’s seat if maybe they are starting off with a single’s only situation for Jessica as a result of the sales we’ve seen from Lauren’s debut album.  I’m not saying that’s the case at all, just thinking aloud I suppose. If Jimmy is airing on the side of caution, when you consider the amount of money it takes to produce and record an album, then I can understand where he’s coming from.

    I too feel pretty confident that Jimmy will give Jessica an album deal at some point down the line as well.

  • koshka

    Every time I see the contract #s go down it nauseates me to think how much these judges make. 

  • http://twitter.com/newbornstarr Wally.

    She has couple of interest already. Akon, Tommy, etc. So I’m not worried

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    They’ve already set up her official web site.  So I’d say things are looking good.

    http://www.jessicasanchezofficial.com

  • Anonymous

    Well, I cannot blame a hurting industry for wanting to cut corners and the Idol track records has far more misses than hits BUT I cannot help but feel for current (especially) and future contestants. More pressure to hit the ball out the park on the first try.

    But for all we know this is the way all future contracts with new artists are heading.

  • Anonymous

    So correct me if im wrong but does that mean she is allowed to weigh her options and choose who she wants to sign a recording contract with? I know there is a rumor that tommy mattola(idk how to spell it) is trying to sign her right now..is he the same company that idol winners sign with? its all confusing, us jessica fans just want a well written, beautiful album!

  • http://twitter.com/RKOBlackSwan Black Swan

    Were Lauren Alaina’s album sales that bad? 

  • http://twitter.com/raya4 raya

    I might be worried if somebody else was the runner-up, but there is no way I see UMG letting Jessica get away.  Even if she’s not exactly burning up the charts with her AI singles right now.  Besides, I’m in agreement that even if they did she would likely get signed by another major player in a heartbeat.

    As said below, this makes me sad for the contestants, but it certainly isn’t surprising based on the current situation in the music industry.

  • http://anibundel.wordpress.com/ anibundel

    Are we sure Tommy Mottola isn’t also in the market for a third wife? :-)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    Every time I see the contract #s go down it nauseates me to think how much these judges make.

    Tell me about it.  When you see how hard these kids are having to work post AI to establish themselves in the industry to make a name for themselves and these judges are being paid ridiculous amounts of money to be judges (when they really aren’t doing their jobs) it’s just sickening.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting but a smart move financially. And though I do believe if Tommy Matolla is on board for Jessica, she will get an album deal, an EP would be a smarter idea. The development route would be great for Jessica becausE she needs to grow up a bit to match her voice and the sort of music she wants to do. I’m still curious to see what they will do with her. I really don’t think she marketable in her genre right now.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting. This is probably a reaction to the less than stellar sales recently by the majority of ex-Idols, not to mention the fact that radio play is getting harder & harder to come by for many of these guys. Plus they may be feeling a little gun shy after pushing Pia so hard only to see her single disappear.

    I did see that Tommy Mottola supposedly claimed that he is going to produce Jessica’s album. But even if she gets signed to an album deal, that doesn’t mean they ever have to release her album. Lots of artists get label deals and record albums, only to see them shelved for a variety of reasons.

    I would assume Jessica will get an album released, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they release multiple singles by her before putting the full cd out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1236812453 Thorne Brook

    I find it a little alarming that Idol chooses to cut corners with its contestants. They should be taking care of these kids, not shafting them.  I wonder if any specific event in the previous years prompted the change in contract.

  • Kylee

     Yeah if somebody like Heejun got runner up, then we would be worried lol.

  • Anonymous

    It should still be the same as every year: they are only allowed to pick up other options if Universal releases them to do so. So if Universal wants to sign her, she has no choice.

    However, Tommy Mottola’s label is with UMG (technically it’s called a “joint venture”), but I’m not sure UMG wouldn’t want to put her on a more recognizable label under their company, like Interscope. Plus Jimmy likes her. I’ve only seen where Mottola said he’s produce her, anyway.

  • Anonymous

    I’m pretty sure that if UMG says they want to sign her, she doesn’t have the option of saying no.

  • Kylee

     

    I really don’t think she marketable in her genre right now.

    I think she can easily be molded. Jordin had a similar run on idol-known for singing old ballads and she had a successful and current first album.

  • Anonymous

    I hope they do more typical artist development with Jessica, and not the AI rush jobs, kind of like LA Reid is apparently doing with Melanie Amaro.  Jessica has some serious pipes, and with the right material, and the right training and support, her stuff could fit perfectly on the radio.

  • Anonymous

    ” I know there is a rumor that tommy mattola(idk how to spell it) is
    trying to sign her right now..is he the same company that idol winners
    sign with? its all confusing,”

    Well, Mottola would produce, I guess, so he isn’t talking about signing her exactly but about being the person at the artistic helm of her album more or less. He’s affiliated in some way or other with Universal now, and that is the label group for the current Idols.

  • Anonymous

    If they can get her some age appropriate, good material, she’s could be very marketable. The R&B leaning pop girls are much more known for their voices than mainstream pop singers, so that could work in her favor. But it always comes down to material for these kids. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    I’m pretty sure that if Interscope says they want to sign her, she doesn’t have the option of saying no.

    Exactly.  Even though there have been some changes with UMG in the picture, it used to be this way and it may still be I’m assuming, and that is that 19 has first right of refusal at least for first 3 months after the season ends.  Yes?

  • http://twitter.com/newbornstarr Wally.
  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1236812453 Thorne Brook

    If they can get her some age appropriate, good material, she’s could be very marketable. The R&B leaning pop girls are much more known for their voices than mainstream pop singers, so that could work in her favor.

    This, so much. I think she’ll sell very well as is right now, but she needs more current songs that can show off the crazy flexibility in her voice. I was going through her pre-Idol youtube song covers recently (I didn’t bother before when people kept mentioning them, didn’t know I was missing out :/ ), and I was kind of blown away with quite a few. Uptempo, exciting, and omg-why-didn’t-they-let-her-do-these-on-Idol-whyyyy songs. Damn.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBxwX8XPbvA&feature=fvst

  • http://twitter.com/TweetsFromFrank Frank

    Big MISTAKE, Idol people. Jessica has to be one of the few runner ups with the most potential to make it big. The Pinoys are going crazy for her (I have the Filipino Channel so I know) and she has massive appeal to young viewers (anyone see that youtube vid with the little girl crying?) and older viewers.

    I didn’t read everything posted, but is she allowed to sign with other record labels outside of Idol? Or as long as it is outside of a specific time frame?

  • http://twitter.com/4BasesDad Chris Mason

    Lauren has sold 280,000 albums to date.  At roughly $9.99 average sale price equals $2.7 million in sales.  She has had 2 songs chart in the BB Top 40 Country.  Opening act for the hottest and most attended country concert going to date.  Second act for the very popular Sugarland.  She has done a large amount of radio promotion and benifit apperances.  She will be at LP Field during CMA Fest.  She is already beginning the process of recording a second albulm.  For a genre and radio market that favors male acts far more than female, I would say UMG is really happy with her sales and career development.  She has used the opportunity AI provided her and worked like mad to jumpstart her career.  A lot of other AI alums have done the same. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I3NQHPT3NA6VGKK22RCMTGOCII Tiffany

    Neat how they have her website setup to show the tweets.  Even if Jessica doesn’t burn up the charts in the USA, you know she is gonna be huge in the Phillippines and a few other places.  If they just get her some age appropriate songs and do the right styling for her.  She has the oomph as shown in her top 24 performance, don’t know what happened after that.  She seemed to have kinda shut down.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Personally, I’d give her a record deal but do a build up before a full album release.  As soon as possible, get some singles on the radio, and really work radio and get her up the charts.  Maybe have her sing the hook on some rap tracks.

    Get her out in front of the media.  Show up at awards shows, perform.  Do a radio tour.  Build her up real good before the full album drops say next summer.

  • http://twitter.com/RKOBlackSwan Black Swan

     Oh Interesting. So Lauren is doing okay. Not amazing but not a failure by any means. That’s nice to hear.

  • Anonymous

    Jessica will do just fine. She has a great voice, is likable, and after I saw her interview last night on Fox 5 news with Phillip where she said she wants to make urban/r&b pop music, she is going to do well. She is so young with so much talent, I see a bright future ahead of her.

    This is the first season where there are various contestants I am excited about to make music. Can’t wait to see what comes out of these contestants!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=195101108 Stefan Wind

    I can see why they’re doing this. BBChez isn’t exactly killing it on Itunes right now with all the exposure she JUST received. I agree with Tiffany and a lot of posters and think that she will be huge overseas in the Phillippines though.

  • http://twitter.com/TweetsFromFrank Frank

    I read the rest of the post. So if they are minor and are 2nd place on Idol, then their contract gets posted all over the internet? lol

  • http://twitter.com/newbornstarr Wally.

    I do something similiar too. Have her on a couple of hooks; before getting her real single out. Nicki Minaj before makign it big was noticed when she was on Jay Z ‘Monster'; after that she got a couple of other features. 

    Get her on a featured track; build her fanbase even more.  I don’t know why Idol doesnt’do this more.. Drake did it as well, aand so does other Urban artists. 

  • iFoundIt

    Big MISTAKE, Idol people. Jessica has to be one of the few runner ups with the most potential to make it big. The Pinoys are going crazy for her (I have the Filipino Channel so I know) and she has massive appeal to young viewers (anyone see that youtube vid with the little girl crying?) and older viewers.

    Her ITunes sales this week certainly do not indicate any of that.  She has reportedly the worse post finale sales of all the 2nd place finishers.

    Social media like You Tube, Twitter, Facebook followers do not equate to real world $ucce$$.

  • Anonymous

      They can try things in the Phillipines that would not necessarily work in the US and vice versa.  I know Elliott drops different songs in Japan than the US.  There are so many possibilities for her that I wouldn’t worry if she has to start with singles.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    By no means is Lauren a failure.  I’m sorry if that’s what you took from my statement. I certainly didn’t mean it in that way at all.  In fact, some past AI alums, winners or otherwise, would have been thrilled to have sold at least that amount on their first release and had the opportunity to tour and open for big name acts.

  • Lovesyesha

    So let me get this straight. All the judges do is say phrases like “That was beautiful”, or “It wasn’t right for me for you”, or “Baby you look beautiful tonight”, and they each make over $10 million a season. Meanwhile, the contestants who have worked their asses off and actually follow a challenging work schedule earn a lower class wage? This is one messed up society we live in folks.

  • Anonymous

    As the announcer and judges get more $ and performance spotlights, the contestants get lesser contracts, lower $ advancements and less promo.
    Focus on the contestants and less on the judges, drop their self promotion and lower their contracts. The judges are hurting the show, not helping it IMO.

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    I’d love to read the full contract, including what they all get for the Idol tour and other appearances. Didn’t last year’s contestants take a huge cut compared to prior years?

    I can sort of understand there being the option of offering them a singles only deal due to the shift in the recording industry to singles and 4 song EPs. It still seems like indentured servitude.

    I’d like to know what they got paid for being on the show and Ford commercials too. While I’m at it, I want to know the amount they actually get to pocket per song/album. So many hands skimming the top.

  • Anonymous

    ” Big MISTAKE, Idol people. Jessica has to be one of the few runner ups
    with the most potential to make it big. The Pinoys are going crazy for
    her (I have the Filipino Channel so I know) and she has massive appeal
    to young viewers (anyone see that youtube vid with the little girl
    crying?) and older viewers.”

    I don’t know. I kind of doubt this decision has anything at all to do with Jessica. I expect it’s more ljust setting a “lower-your-expectations” bar for future runners-up, to give themselves leeway to handle people on an individual basis, and to take into account that maybe we’re moving into a world of all singles or mostly EPs or something. That the album may be effectively dead in some genres.

    I think they see Jessica’s potential and will do a lot with her ultimately. They’re just writing themselves an escape clause, not because they doubt her but just because of changing conditions generally.

  • sandrajane

    Well, Mottola would produce, I guess, so he isn’t talking about signing
    her exactly but about being the person at the artistic helm of her album
    more or less. He’s affiliated in some way or other with Universal now,
    and that is the label group for the current Idols

    Tommy Mottola is not a record producer, he’s a record executive.  He runs a label that might or might not be in existence anymore (Casablanca) that only released a few albums (Lindsay Lohan and Born To Diva winner Tarralyn Ramsey).  He might still have a management company that he created after Sony dumped him.  At one point he signed Usher for a few months, also Marc Anthony. 

    It’s been awhile since he managed a successful artist.  The last one was Mariah (JLo doesn’t count, Benny Medina was her manager) up until 1997, even though he was president of Columbia (and then COO of Sony).  Mariah was signed to his old management company that he took his name off after he took over Columbia.  She was the only artist on it.  Ever.

  • Anonymous

    I heard from a radio PD in lauren’s home town that the CD wildflower was a 250k product to produce so I quess 2.7 million in sales is a nice pay day  for the reord company who I am sure gets the lions share.

  • http://www.etsy.com/shop/AdorablyHooked Gwen

    Why put so much money into something that isn’t guaranteed?

  • Anonymous

    ” As the announcer and judges get more $ and performance spotlights, the
    contestants get lesser contracts, lower $ advancements and less promo.
    Focus
    on the contestants and less on the judges, drop their self promotion
    and lower their contracts. The judges are hurting the show, not helping
    it IMO.”‘

    Yep, it’s a perfect little microcosm of the overall economic inequality gap. Even in the fact that all the heavy lifting on the show and its popularity gets done by the low-paid or no-paid young peons, while the old fat cats mainly just annoy people — and are certainly not job creators because they just keep going on and on into senility, taking valuable performance slots in the finale away from the younger generation. Occupy Idol. lol

  • Anonymous

    Her itunes sales would totally be related to the crappy song choices she and others chose for her to sing in the finale.  It’s going to be all about songs.  Look at “Call Me Maybe”, that could be anybody, it’s just a great catchy song with a radio hook.  Give her the right stuff and she’ll be fine

  • iFoundIt

    It’s not personal. It’s a business decision. TPTB must have data to back it up. Now, that we have more facts such as the ITunes sales this week, maybe she has been weak in ITunes sales every week. It was telling when the Top 10 ITunes sales were leaked. It was Billy Joel week and she lagged behind Colton, Phillip and Elise.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1236812453 Thorne Brook

    I find it puzzling that people keep mentioning her Itunes sales. The song choices put out in the past two weeks of Idol on her end weren’t really all that good, so why would people blindly buy them? I don’t think her sales during Idol accurately reflects what her sales figures are going to be post-show. I’ve also skimmed through a few Jessica fan communities, and after the finale they just seemed to be totally done with Idol, lol. I’m not really surprised with her Itunes results, and I don’t think it’s fair to judge her career based on them right now.

    I’ve personally bought quite a lot of her studio recordings on Idol on the weeks they were featured (I bought quite a lot of songs from this season in general, damn talented kids), so I thought it was redundant to buy her Journey album. Maybe others felt the same, not really sure.

  • http://twitter.com/raya4 raya

    To be fair though, for Billy Joel week, Jessica sang a largely unknown Joel song whereas folks like Colton, Phil & Elise sang much more known Joel hits.  I don’t think her lagging behind a bit in sales that week says too much of anything.

  • Anonymous

    She said in an interview with Ryan Seacrest that they wanted her in the studio to start her album already. Interscope has her as a listed artist on the website already and she has her own official fan page. She has a record deal. I doubt Jimmy will let her go after he predicted grammys for her. Of course, I do believe like any artist she needs the right material. But I am not worried about her getting signed. Heck, I would prefer her signing with Akon, but that’s wishful thinking :( 

  • Chris

    The production management of this show is sorely cheap when it comes to the contestants. So what if they pay out $175k to the runner up and don’t make it back. Melanie Amaro is getting $5million they may never recover either. Ryan, J Lo, Nigel, they are all laughing their way to the bank making $$$Millions, while someone nickels and dimes the kids who have worked so hard. S10 they cut back on tour pay, now even the little chump change for record deals. Its just shameful.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RV3ITG2WGZY36FIGZXFGYBYH4A Cara

    What I’m going to say probably  won’t  be popular.  I think if anyone should be put in development it should be a sixteen year old girl. I think Jessica is incredibly talented.  I think her voice is beautiful.  I also think a sixteen year girls talent should be nurtured not thrown out in a make or break it world.  I think what comes mind is seeing a video of Allison Ihreheta crying on the stage on the Glamnation Tour after she found out Jive had dropped her.  Now I believe she has a development deal.  Maybe it would have been easier all around if she had gone that route to begin with.  This is not as exciting for fans as an album in six months would be, but it might be healthiest route for a sixteen year old girl.  A development deal doesn’t mean she won’t ever have album out.  It just might take a little longer and allow her to find her true sound.  Taylor Swift started out with a development deal.  Just look how that turned out.

  • Kylee

     

    I didn’t read everything posted, but is she allowed to sign with other record labels outside of Idol?

    They own her. They always take in the winner and runner up.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a crime that they don’t pay one of the stars (Jessica) of the AI show a few more thousand of dollars for all the work that she’s done for them on the show.

    Where they pay JLo $20 million for sitting there and looking pretty for a few hours a week.  Plus she’s getting free publicity for her videos, shows, records, boyfriend.  Doesn’t seem fair to Jessica.  They are totally taking advantage of the situation.

  • Anonymous

    I totally agree.  A lot of people make fortunes off these contestants, whether the contestants ultimately succeed or not.

  • Chris

    All good points and I don’t know her latest track sales, but an ad was out about a month or two back with her track sales at 645k off Wildflower. At $1 each, $.7M added to $2.7m is $3.4m so the production has recovered all their initial investment and they are into profit now.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Look, I’m a HUGE fan of Jessica’s voice, but I wouldn’t buy those iTunes either.  Because the majority of the songs she sang was treacly pablum.  In other words, NOT HER.

    The only tracks I would download are “Sweet Dreams” and “Stuttering” because they reflected her style the most.

  • Tess

    As is the case in a free economic society yous get paid for whats you have done before very rarely for what you may do in the future.  

  • Anonymous

    The problem with the exposure on Idol is when you make it as one of the final two finalists you have to strike while the iron is still hot. The idol audience is very fickle.Once, the tour ends, the majority of these contestants become distant memories. It is the reality of the competition. So Phillip and Jessica, as the final two, will most likely both release albums by Oct-Nov of this year. So it really comes down to how much good material can they produce in a span of 4-5 months while touring. I just wish both of them luck and they actually do get good material to work with. The only positive for Jessica I think is her youth. I don’t necessarily view her as a one and down. (if her 1st album flops) 

  • Kylee

     I think she can sign with Akon while also being under Interscope. He is also under UMG. It looks like Interscope is its distributor and a few Interscope artists are also on it. I hope she is signed with this one also!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon_Live_Distribution#Kon_Live_Distribution

  • Chris

    J Lo probably blows $175k just on one of her stage performances for all the back up dancers and costumes. Plus a truck load of body glitter.

  • Anonymous

    Unlikely. In the past the label associated with Idol (first Sony, now Universal Music) had the right of first refusal on any of the finalists — and that option usually lasted until the end of the Idol tour. So unless that has changed, Jessica likely doesn’t have the option of signing with anyone other than UMG right now

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1236812453 Thorne Brook

    I think what comes mind is seeing a video of Allison Ihreheta crying on the stage on the Glamnation Tour after she found out Jive had dropped her.

    Would you happen to have a video link? Just reading that breaks my heart. :( Didn’t hear about this ’til now.

  • Anonymous

    Given the time scale here, my guess is the terms were set long before they knew who would come in second. So I don’t think this contract is any sort of Judgment on Jessica. Just a way of making sure they had the option no matter who came in second.

  • Chris

    I just read MJs article about Scotty and Lauren and they took cuts vs. Jordin and David A., the other teen winners and runner ups. David A. with over $500k in preset payments so I agree, this is less about who exactly are the winners, more about saving $, hedging to keep more cash in house. Pay raises for the judges had to come from some where.

  • Anonymous

    “Tommy Mottola is not a record producer, he’s a record executive.  He
    runs a label that might or might not be in existence anymore
    (Casablanca) that only released a few albums (Lindsay Lohan and Born To
    Diva winner Tarralyn Ramsey). ”

    Yeah, this is true.

    I was thinking that he may be pursuing some kind of producer thing, since I thought that the label he had had was now completely defunct, making him … I don’t know what. I was thinking a sort of uber-producer-manager. But who knows what it would be.  All I know is that I have recently read that he’s somehow allied with Universal now….Maybe they’re bringing back his old label? … Maybe he’s just an old guy looking for some kind of job? Or some kind of publicity?

  • Anonymous

    I can see a situation where Jimmie releases singles for everyone that he’s interested in, except the winner.  He alluded to this last year, but it only seemed to happen with Pia.  He seemed to want them to release singles well in advance of their albums coming out.  I wonder if we can look forward to that happening for Jessica, Joshua, Haley and Skylar.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Exactly. They didn’t make this up just for Jessica, the girl only placed second 2 days ago. LOL They’ve only known she was a finalist for about a week. ITunes-gate just happened YESTERDAY.

    This has been in the works for a while, and considering the spotty record of 2nd place finishers as well as declining sales from the franchise, you can see why the label would like to have that option.

  • Kylee

     Yeah me too, I never knew that happened :(

  • http://twitter.com/TweetsFromFrank Frank

     Really? I assumed that Jessica was not charting because they decided not to release her iTunes sales (since she did not win) and rather, Phillips only which is why he has several songs in the top charts

  • http://twitter.com/newbornstarr Wally.


    “No matter what recording deal Sanchez is offered, she already has heavyweight Hollywood representation. In March, a judge approved a deal in which she will be represented by Creative Artists Agency for future television, personal appearance and other employment deals””

    This is awesome. 

  • Anonymous

    She signed the contract before she made the top 24, so this same contract would have applied to whoever came in second.  It’s not about Jessica, like RCA, except for the winner, UMG and Jimmy don’t want to be obligated to produce a record for anyone who they aren’t invested in.  In the end, this could benefit all of the contestants, and there’s a possibility that more than two people could release singles.  The amount of money that will be invested in the alums won’t be a lot, so maybe Jimmy and company will have more patience with them than Sony had with the previous idols.  Plus, maybe they will focus on artist development.

    ETA: All that being said, Jessica is getting a record, and will be locked into a deal. That girl is incredibly marketable.

    Wally said: “No matter what recording deal Sanchez is offered, she already has heavyweight Hollywood representation. In March, a judge approved a deal in which she will be represented by Creative Artists Agency for future television, personal appearance and other employment deals””

    Not so much. Everybody who makes the top 40 has to sign a contract agreeing to be represented by them. While it may be okay for the top finishers, it’s caused some problems for those who don’t come in first or second place. Matt Giraud said that he couldn’t accept a lot of gigs because they didn’t approve of how much he was getting paid. Some of the other finalists don’t realize that CAA doesn’t do the same thing that managers do, and that they won’t go out and find gigs for them.

    The contract that the top 40 signs with them lasts for one year.

  • Anonymous

    Her album sales are limited because they are only in the US. I live in Europe and want to buy her album but cannot. :(  Her album’s #10 now from 79 yesterday.

  • Anonymous

    Also, we never know if her songs topped in the past and I reckon some did.

  • http://twitter.com/Fanchez318 Jessicas Street Team

    So Jessica isn’t getting signed? Welp, this week just keeps getting worse.

  • Anonymous

    I reckon she is signed if she has a page on Interscope.

  • iFoundIt

    She signed the contract before she made the top 24, so this same contract would have applied to whoever came in second.

    And contracts can be changed at any time. The fact that her ITunes sales have been weak, that she got weak reviews for her coronation song and that the media (industry) pretty much abandoned her chances of winning, doesn’t exactly strengthen her position.  That’s not to say she won’t make an album.  Those are just realities that she will have to deal with.

  • Anonymous

    Damn is right.  This Jessica never showed up on Idol.   Such a shame.

  • milwlovesadam

    There’s two ways to look at this:

    1) Poor wittle Jessica getting taken advantage of by the big mean management company.

    2) The big mean management company is being realistic about how music sells best these days. Most people tend to be buying singles and EP’s instead of whole albums. By releasing single after single, an artist can stay “fresh” on the radio, release them one at a time or in consecutive EP’s. Maybe the company stands to lose less and make more this way. And, the artist will still make money if the singles sell.

  • Anonymous

    If you finish 2nd runner up you get 30k. How much did the other 11 get?!?! Stop paying the judges too much, Nigel! :-/

  • Anonymous

    Why are people saying her overall iTunes sales are weak when we have not seen them before except for Billy Joel week? Just like I believe P2 wont flop like Lee (which is what Twitter is saying), I think Jessica with the big guns behind her will probably the pop star she should be.

  • Anonymous

    This is a moot point. The contract was in place prior to the season unfolding to obviously protect Interscope from having to be financially invested in someone who places in 2nd that they may not want. However, with Jessica such is not the case. She is already listed as an artist on Interscope and as an official fan site under 19 entertainment.  http://www.interscope.com/jessicasanchez Both her and P2 are listed as Interscope artists. 

  • Anonymous

    Interscope learned a lesson from watching Sony signing all of these Idols and then losing money on some of them. Pia is a prime example of someone they signed who just didn’t live up to potential.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    So… any news on Joshua and Skylar? I know there were rumors about both but I want to see if any other info surfaced. Maybe these new options give a better chance for more people to get picked up? I would imagine Hollie is a prime candidate to get a single or 2 released.

  • Tess

    Once upon a time every new artist had to prove themselves via singles.  If you didn’t make the hit parade you were gone baby, gone.  After getting 5 or 6 singles to chart you got to make an album of those singles with some filler.  And then you did it all over again.  It wasn’t until the late 60s and early 70s that you got to record an album without a history of successful singles.

    Now I am talking about “pop” music and not every form of music and pop means popular.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    That’s interesting, Tess. It looks like things may be cycling back to that time again (at least wrt Idols).

  • DavieP

    Its smart of the record company cuz most Idols – winners or not- fail — Kris is expected to be dropped soon…PLUS the music industry is so different these days so that most people don’t buy albums anymore – they download singles…but its still so little money…but i guess if you don’t write your own songs and you’re just a hired voice…then thats all you are…BUT also it gives the record company the opportunity to try out some of the runners up with singles in case of full albums…so maybe before signing a record deal, release a single for Skylar, Josh, Jessica – even Elise or others and see if it HITS…

  • DavieP

    But she also hasn’t released anything…She did one single that was kinda crappyand didn’t show her voice…But she’s long forgotten after this years Idol.  Im waiting for Melanie Amaro to see if she earns her $5 million…Reports are LA Reid has her in a boot camp with a nutritionist, trainer, etiquette coach, voice coach etc…Shes apparently nominated for a teens choice award so wonder if shell appear there…But the market is so full with new songs and new singers and there are so many reality shows now that they’re going to cannibalize one another and end the genre.  I can’t watch all of them; Im so OVER it.

  • DavieP

    They need to make sure they find great songs or other wise one single and a career is over and the artist is off for a second chance on The Voice.  K Locke tried the single thing..but doesnt seem like it worked

  • DavieP

    You guys should read the Daily Beast piece on where some former Idols are now…If you look at the top 12/13 over 11 seasons, only a few have made it big,and only a small percentage are still making a l iving as musicians

  • Anonymous

    At least she’s getting a little more than 30K. The article mentioned 50K from Disney promos, and she’ll get something from the tour too (not to mention she’ll probably do a lot more than the four single minimum)

  • Anonymous

    ” Pia is a prime example of someone they signed who just didn’t live up to potential.”

    IMO, Pia lived up to her potential exactly, at least for those who never saw her early departure from Idol as even a bit surprising, much less shocking.

    I see this change as glass half-full because it potentially gives more opportunities to more peeps. And, let’s face it, it is a sign of the times and industry. It makes perfect sense given her youth as well since most young consumers buy singles and make their own mixes. 

    Interesting history lesson Tess. Thanks! I guess history does indeed repeat itself. Let’s hope this revival of singles is better than some of the fashion revisits of late. :-)

  • Anonymous

    I can see a situation where Jimmie releases singles for everyone that he’s interested in, except the winner.  He alluded to this last year, but it only seemed to happen with Pia.  

    Haley got a single released in December — the duet with Casey on “Baby, It’s Cold Outside.”  It’s not on her album, but it was a nice way to remind people that she (and he) exist.  
    As for Pia’s single, I think that was a failed experiment. I forget.  Did she ever get to sing that song during the AI season?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think it makes any sense to complain about the amount of money the judges make vs what is in the idol contracts. The judges aren’t paid by the record company.  As for the Idolettes, they aren’t proven commoditites and they seem less bankable every year unless you have a country star emerge from the group.  The judges come into it with careers and bargaining power. The contestants aren’t anyone. They are probably thrilled to have the opportunity to connect with a broad audience and the chance to have a music career take off.   I was listening to radio show this am.  The Djs didn’t even know who the AI winner was.  Hopefully though the contracts have some clauses in them to give the artist more money as they become proven money generators. 

  • Anonymous

    At least she’s getting a little more than 30K. The article mentioned 50K from Disney promos, and she’ll get something from the tour too (not to mention she’ll probably do a lot more than the four single minimum)

    She’ll get more from that, and not just from the endorsement deals.  As others have said, she’s already on Interscope’s website, and they have her site setup.  There’s no way that that she’s not going to get a record contract, and receive the same $175,000 signing bonus that Lauren received.  The contract says that Interscope has the option to offer either the contract or a development deal, she’s getting the contract.

  • Anonymous

    It does suck a bit for her, but I dont think its too worrisome … they are trying to protect themsleves if somebody comes in second who is just a dud … now they only have to pay out $30K instead of $175K … Based on Jimmy’s comments, she is wanted, and they are happy she placed where she did …  As for the itunes sales againn I dont think thats too worrisome … the show her singing song that really aren’t appealing to teenagers today (Billy Joel, Whitney, Tina Turner, etc)… Hopefully she gets good material and good producers that are plugged into the teen market … Also, If Tommy Mottola is going to work with her, I believe that Shakira was also one of his finds … With his wife being a Mexican star, he may see a girl that he can sell into Latin American and Asian Pacific … Its a big world out there …

  • Anonymous

    I am sure that after seeing this Jimmy is got real worried about her I tunes sales … NOT!!

  • Listening

    Okay can someone clear something up for me Do the contestants sign a contract at the beginning of the show that if they come in 1st or 2nd they HAVE to sign w/ Idol people? Meaning regardless if they said i’ll wait 5 months before I put out an album w/ someone else that wouldn’t be allowed? I know i’ve heard w/ lower place finishers if the wait until the end of the tour they can sign w/ whoever they want.

  • Larc

    You guys should read the Daily Beast piece on where some former Idols are now.

    Link please?

  • Anonymous

    You may be right on some angle there but you have to understand these judges are people who have already paid their “dues.” They have started from the very bottom (yes, even Jennifer Lopez)–they weren’t given this humungous opportunity to jumpstart their careers….so IMO they are reaping the rewards of their toil (albeit, they are overpaid when you consider the actual work that they do on the show….but then that’s how “corporate America” is, right?

    I think this is why some artists are “resentful” of the fact that some AI artists are so successful right off the bat like Carrie….but then I think she is the exception (only a very few artists are)— this is real life. Personally I think this would be good both for the artists (from AI) as well as the companies….they have to be given time to hone their image and their art because AI as a show certainly only showcases IMO their vocal abilities and their charisma to some extent (this is about rabid voting)—not really about their “artistry.”

  • DavieP
  • DavieP

    At least this gives the contestants a REASON to win Idol.  To viewers, it always seemed whats the difference?  We new the winner went to Disney and got a bit of more money but to the casual fan, both winner and runner up always got record contracts (which seem to be a dime a dozen and mean not so much with every show giving this away and then promptly dropping them) and both get ford cars for them and one other person…and both do press tours like everyone else…they both go perform on today show.

  • teacup

    I feel bad for Jessica. :/

  • Mateja Praznik

    So if only Idol winner is guaranteed a recording contract and Idol winner is always the same type (WGWG), then there’s really no point in auditioning if you are not a WGWG.

    It looks like Jimmy Iovine and Interscope got a reality check. When is 19/Interscope contract up?

  • Anonymous

    I think this decision has nothing to do with Jessica necessarily. It was a stock decision to include ANY runner up.

    As for Jessica, I think it’d be great for her actually. Like some have said, get her on a hook for a rap single or even pull a Pia and get Jessica her own single out this summer. Maybe even use a small EP as an opportunity to really experiment with her sound. Find out which might work better on a full album.

  • Chris

    I see the points made about the change in industry, and its pretty clear record sales now and in the future are challenged.  Too much competition and its pretty easy to not buy an album.  I-tunes will sell you the single, or you can hear it for free on youtube, Pandora, XM, etc…

    So from an X Factor perspective, $5M is probably too much and too risky.  But we’re talking $175K.  This isn’t a huge hurdle to overcome and for most contests, there should be some reward at the end.  If Jessica had a decent coronation song, they could have gotten back the whole amount in a few weeks.   

  • Anonymous

    Pia didn’t sign with Sony, though — she is with Interscope

  • Anonymous

    Pia didn’t sign with Sony, though — she is with Interscope

  • windmills

    Mateja Praznik: So if only Idol winner is guaranteed a recording contract and Idol winner is always the same type (WGWG), then there’s really no point in auditioning if you are not a WGWG.

    I still wouldn’t go that far. For finalists, the Idol exposure and touring opportunity still beats XFactor and Voice exposure, and it’s still a better conduit to a possible record deal out of the reality TV options.

    But, as per that NPR article about how all reality TV singing shows are played out, aspiring stars should work the internet and find whatever non-TV ways they can to expose their music instead of depending on a reality show story to carry them to a record deal. 

    I think it actually makes sense to have a single/EP option for runners up. That will put Interscope in the position to release something a little more quickly to take advantage of Idol momentum and that may lead to a full record deal.

    I feel like that’s the direction the whole industry is headed. I remember last March at the Country Radio Seminar you had Sony Nashville’s chairman/CEO Gary Overton talking about signing new acts to single deals that could be graduated to full album deals if the single were to become a hit, instead of committing to a full album out of the gate. There are problems with that too, the biggest being publishing companies will probably be less willing to sign over their best hit songs to acts without a full album deal. But, it’s also a scenario that’ll probably allow more acts to at least get a single out and see if it lands anywhere.

  • Anonymous

    Kris is NOT expected to be dropped soon. Don’t listen to TMZ…they are not a credible source *sigh*

  • Anonymous

    Kris is NOT expected to be dropped soon. Don’t listen to TMZ…they are not a credible source *sigh*

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think holiday singles help artists in terms of recognition or boosting the sales of their real singles and albums. They are basically a novelty item -familiar cover songs for people to listen to when they are wrapping presents or trimming the Christmas tree. And if they sell well, then the artist makes some extra money. But that’s about it, since holiday songs have no connection to the actual music these artists are trying to make.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think holiday singles help artists in terms of recognition or boosting the sales of their real singles and albums. They are basically a novelty item -familiar cover songs for people to listen to when they are wrapping presents or trimming the Christmas tree. And if they sell well, then the artist makes some extra money. But that’s about it, since holiday songs have no connection to the actual music these artists are trying to make.

  • Anonymous

    As far as I know, all the finalists — not just the Top 2 — sign contracts that lock them into 19 and UMG until the end of the tour. The only way they are allowed to sign with anyone other than 19 or UMG is if the mgmt co. and label give permission for them to do so.

  • koshka

    “You may be right on some angle there but you have to understand these judges are people who have already paid their “dues.” They have started from the very bottom (yes, even Jennifer Lopez)–they weren’t given this humungous opportunity to jumpstart their careers….so IMO they are reaping the rewards of their toil (albeit, they are overpaid when you consider the actual work that they do on the show….but then that’s how “corporate America” is, right?

    I think this is why some artists are “resentful” of the fact that some AI artists are so successful right off the bat like Carrie….but then I think she is the exception (only a very few artists are)— this is real life. Personally I think this would be good both for the artists (from AI) as well as the companies….they have to be given time to hone their image and their art because AI as a show certainly only showcases IMO their vocal abilities and their charisma to some extent (this is about rabid voting)—not really about their “artistry.””

    I actually don’t have a big issue with the reduced contract as I do with the fact that AI/19 pays them so little. What they walk away with really isn’t much, especially if the contract isn’t that great. I’d rather AI/19 pony up a payout at the end, then negotiate some kind of contract.

  • koshka

    *cynicism towards RCA* No RCA would rather milk what they can then they cut the artist loose all nice and quiet like. Sad.  

  • Anonymous

    do you mean Hollie (not Haley)?

  • Anonymous

    CAA is the agency that represents most of the Idols. That might be in the contract they sign as well — that CAA can take on as clients any of the finalists they want to.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

      http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/entertainment/2012/05/24/tommy-mottola-to-produce-jessica-sanchezs-first-album/
    Tommy Mottola?
    He also wanted to sign Daughtry and Daughtry was signed by Sony/ RCA I believe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

     Well let’s take out the calculator.  How much do you think it costs to hire “star” saxophone players?  How much does it cost to have those stagey XF lights going for each act?  How much for the stylists?  How much do you think it costs to feed everybody?  It’s not the judges….it all adds up, and Fox is behind this.  If you don’t get the ratings and the audience, your budget is cut — or your show is cut.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    More than likely it’s a one record deal.  I don’t think UMG is giving multi-album deals to any Idols, esp. seeing how some of them are not selling (David Cook, Kris Allen, Laura Alaina to name a few).  Record companies aren’t throwing money at artists the way they did.  And the big stars didn’t become big stars (Rhi, Katy, Bieber) by going on a reality show.  Jess is going to be in a crowded field and she will have to work her arse off promo’ing herself.  I see that Haley is all over the TV promo’ing her CD, and while I really like Haley, I wonder if she’s not more a Katharine McPhee type artist — meaning, acting on  TV shows and Broadway?  Haley seems made for acting!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Dude, they fed, clothed and housed them for months….that’s taking care of them!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Dude, they fed, clothed and housed them for months….that’s taking care of them!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    These days artists promotion take a lot of money, a lot of money repeat. A lot of money.  Companies are not going to throw millions of dollars at artists to get sales unless they’re Adele type sales!  I read somewhere that just to get a Rhihanna record to radio play was $2Mil-$3Mil….just for ONE song.  So Jess is unproven.  She’ll have to promo or get a big hit out the box.

    The reason Pia is not recording now and not heard from is that a) they haven’t found the “right” hit record; and b) the company doesn’t want to spend a lot of money on her first record.  Look at Adam…people say, oh he got a #1hit — yeh, 77000 sales which is piddly squat.  Record companies are looking for 100,000 + sales the first week.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

     But you notice that Jordin has gone through several managers to get to this point in her career.  She doesn’t have a “label”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Country is very favorable to women.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

     I’ve wrote this before.  You better believe the producers are watching the Itune sales, and if PP was outselling all the others, he’s the winner.  Period. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

     Lauren at 280,000 sales is “ok”.  Carrie U does that in the first week.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

     Good point! and Kimberly Locke was a good singer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

     With each TV reality singing show, there is a “record” contract.  The Duet is offering a contract, XF, The Sing-off, and it never stops.  There are so many unproven singers being thrown into the market, they’re cannabilizing each other.  The only people making it big are the judges.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

     http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/2012/05/25/ramin-setoodeh-on-abc-s-nightline.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

     What the record companies want today is a Lady Gaga and a 360 deal.  That’s where the artists get a flat multi-MIL$ payout to give up their rights to everything — songwriting royalties, concerts, everything.  That’s what the companies want.

  • Chris

    ?  Country is favorable to women??  I think the women would disagree.  Carrie and Taylor Swift are the golden girls, Miranda does next best.  After that, there is a huge drop off, especially in radio play.  And there seems to be constant debate if Taylor is really country, or cross over pop with a country twang.

    Head on over to iTunes, click on Country charts, and you’ll see who is at the top 10.  Luke Bryan, Eric Church, Jason Aldean, Kenny Chesney… 6 male acts, 3 bands, and 1 Female solo artist – Carrie.

    I am extremely happy for Carrie, “you go girl” but its a man’s world.

  • Anonymous

    If record companies were looking for a guaranteed 100k first week, then everyone from Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars, The Wanted, and Hot Chelle Rae etc. would have been dropped. In today’s market and sales season, that number is solid if not amazing. The only reason it seems low is b/c Adele has skewed the entire music industry up. If companies see someone they can make a profit from, they’ll put in the money for development. Even Adele wasn’t a success straight out the box, 21 debuted and spent weeks at the lower 200 and didn’t even sell 25k in a week until a month or so out and after an amazing performance on SNL. 

    Like I said, if they get her the right material, it could work well. That’s how it is for everyone though. 

  • DragonFly

    Recent article (here I believe) was about a new trend on radio — that they are welcoming 1 or 2 hit disposable Wonders these days.  They can play a hit for a while & then, see ya if there doesn’t appear to be more “guaranteed Money-Maker hits” in the horizon, & w/o regret, they are moving on to someone else.  

    Also believe there are so many people not paying for music.  Example: (either brave soul or unaware what they were revealing) reporting in FB how much they loved an album, “and my friends really loved it so I made them each a copy too!”   and that was naively meant to be a compliment to the person.  There seems to be many ways to own a song/album music now w/o putting out $$. 

    Waiting to see how an artist’s debut/honeymoon period works out can only be a win/win situation for a label/producer.  I believe also that AI is losing what clout they may have had in getting music played.  There will be alot less sympathy/loyalty to artists–much harder to prove yourself & make a decent living as a recording artist– a sad, reality that so far doesn’t seem to have a fix. 

  • http://twitter.com/pokepikalem Le Viet Anh Nghi

    I must say that this is nothing compared to the 5 mil dollar offered by X factor. 

  • idolstruck

    ” I can see why they’re doing this. BBChez isn’t exactly killing it on
    Itunes right now with all the exposure she JUST received. I agree with
    Tiffany and a lot of posters and think that she will be huge overseas in
    the Phillippines though.”

    I wish her luck in the Phillippines. I hope she explore the playing field first in Manila before embarking on a musical career there. There are tons of singers there who has  the same singing style and can reach the same high notes. In fact it was even mentioned in some local reports that Jessica copied in one or two of her performances the singing style of Regine Velasquez, one of the popular singers in the Phillippines. Jasmine Trias tried in Manila but failed, even David Archuleta is not even that popular in Manila. One more thing, Jessica has to learn how to speak the local dialect if she wants to connect with the audience or else she might end up like a new shiny toy one hit wonder.

  • Anonymous

    I’m just wondering where Melanie Amaro’s music is??  I think Idol will do a better job with Jessica.

  • http://twitter.com/LindaDec1 Linda Foltz

    But last year, Haley outsold everyone and look what happened to her.

  • Anonymous

    The most IMPORTANT thing is that the judges get their millions!!! at least idol has the priorities Right(wrong)…..the judges do deserve a good salary(they are proven talent…I guess??)  but I can honestly say that I have never tuned in to see these judges I tune in for the kids who sing.  I like to see peoples dreams come true.  Maybe they should raise the weekly salaries for the contestants.  But, if they sign those contracts they have to take the good with the bad—it is a pro-con world. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve already bought almost all her songs before the finale. She’s the only one that I bought from the most. I do think that post itunes sales is not absolute indicator of actual sales figure. 

  • Anonymous

    Jessica will do great.. Lots of people are already waiting for her album..If Charice made it here in US, started at the age of 16, and earned already $15 million last year, sooner or later Jessica can do as well. She can go to hsn or qvc like what David F did to Charice and sold 5000 copies of her album in just an hour. By being a runner up in AI, is already a good start. The kid has serious pipes.. I just hope, her manager knows how to handle her. She may start with Jimmy…At least he already knows Jessica’s capability… 

  • Anonymous

    Yes, they do,  19 has the right of first refusal.  Meaning only if they don’t want them then they can sign with someone else.

  • Anonymous

    Not true.  The Voice turned down Gina Glocksen saying she already had her shot.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve said it before when I had the hard cold figures but that $5M for X Factor is fiction.  There are a lot of “ifs” in the contract.  The details are in the fine print. 

  • Anonymous

    “Her ITunes sales this week certainly do not indicate any of that. 
    She has reportedly the worse post finale sales of all the 2nd place
    finishers.

    Social media like You Tube, Twitter, Facebook followers do not equate to real world $ucce$$.”

    But isn’t the ITunes we are seeing here are only accessible to people in the USA? It’s Phillip whom America voted winner – so his single had better be the top here in the USA. 

    If it’s true Jessica has massive appeal in the Philippines and other countries, an authentic confirmation of that would be to track her in the ITunes of those countries.

    I am not so sure if AI has made available the AI finalists songs in those countries’ ITunes — does anybody here know?

    I’m willing to bet that if the AI finalists songs were available abroad (or globally), Jessica’s numbers would probably be much higher. I think that very many of Jessica’s You Tube, Twitter, Facebook followers are from abroad who are just waiting to get hold of her album. If so, Jessica’s seemingly high “social media” numbers could well equate to real world $uce$$. 

    I think Iovine’s intent on signing Jessica (if at all) is not so much to capture the local(US) market as to ensnare the global, if not Asian market which has huge potential for dollar windfall.

  • koshka

    ” Well let’s take out the calculator.  How much do you think it costs to hire “star” saxophone players?  How much does it cost to have those stagey XF lights going for each act?  How much for the stylists?  How much do you think it costs to feed everybody?  It’s not the judges….it all adds up, and Fox is behind this.  If you don’t get the ratings and the audience, your budget is cut — or your show is cut.”

    Heck I’m not talking about giving them a million dollars. But I find it difficult to believe 19 can’t monetarily compensate another 100K for a reduced contract. The carrot keeps getting smaller and smaller. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BIV6QUFW33LM3PLG5GFD2QSOPA dainty

    i saw on Wikipedia Jessica’s name on the UMG Artists List… check the link… (interscope probably does not want to have all the cake by themselves…and Tommy Mottola’s relentlessness on having the girl sign with him)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Universal_Music_Group_artists#I-J

    i’m not sure how reliable wikipedia is but if that is the case then i’m so excited for her… probably
    everything is just a formality… iloveboth Jessica and Phillip and they
    better make great music having these big music honchos behind them…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BIV6QUFW33LM3PLG5GFD2QSOPA dainty

    we should probably wait until Jessica has her album and see what kind of music she does.. the reason she is not doing well on itunes is her music is too mature for the taste on most teensies and cannot relate on her music… she’s only 16 people…

  • Anonymous

    Haley didn’t outsell Scotty. And look what happened to him –he did very well after AI. So seems like iTunes isn’t the only indicator either way. 

  • Anonymous

      “I must say that this is nothing compared to the 5 mil dollar offered by X factor. “True, but that was part of the big hype-y spash they have been trying to make as the brand-new show on the block. And even then they walked it back — first they were talking about the recording contract, and then it just sort of seemed to morph into cash. …. It was an advertising ploy, as much as anything else, I think, and of course they’ll spend a lot on that …. Once the show is over, no Idol or X-Factor-er or any of these contestants is actually going to bring in money for the shows’ sponsors, so the economics changes completely.

  • OffLeash

    I’m pretty sure Haley didn’t outsell Scotty, and iirc, she didn’t outsell James either. 

  • Anonymous

     “Heck
    I’m not talking about giving them a million dollars. But I find it
    difficult to believe 19 can’t monetarily compensate another 100K for a
    reduced contract. The carrot keeps getting smaller and smaller. ”

    I wonder if they look at the fact that 10s of thousands turn out to audition every year, and that the group contains very talented people every year, and that 10s of thousands are now turning up to try out for all these other shows, too — and then realize that, Hey, we really don’t need to promise all that much; we’ve built it, and they continue to come.

    I really think this has most to do with the decline of the album as the main music item for sale, though.

  • Anonymous

    I must say that this is nothing compared to the 5 mil dollar offered by X factor.

    The difference is that that $5 million isn’t guaranteed.  Like in the UK, it’s 1 million for 5 albums, but the likelihood of someone getting five albums is slim.  

    But, I think that we are missing the big picture, the thing that the alums want the most is a record deal.  If they can’t have that, then the next best thing is a development deal.  The money isn’t that big of a deal.

  • Anonymous

     http://www.thedailybeast.com/v…

    That nightline piece was stupid, considering that they use Cassie Abrams as an example, but he’s signed to a label, and has an album that is about to be released.  Then they mention Justin doing regional theater, except that what he was really doing is appearing in a play that’s being workshopped, and that was written by Steven King.  He’s also been in at least two Broadway plays since his idol days.

  • OffLeash

    The difference is that that $5 million isn’t guaranteed.  Like in the UK, it’s 1 million for 5 albums, but the likelihood of someone getting five albums is slim. 

     
    I didn’t know that. So it’s actually $1 million per album? I thought I read somewhere that Melanie got her $5 million. I could be wrong, I hate that show and I didn’t really pay attention to the prize part. Does it mean they signed her for 5 albums then?

  • Anonymous

    I think as a viewer who invests in these artists week after week and then spends X amount of dollars on them to see them “fail” or at least “fail” in the eyes of the media can become quite disheartening. I think the negative press about the lack of success of winners, as well as, the runner-ups needs to be addressed. People need to see what the show has done for these kids, the opportunities they have been given and what “successes” they have achieved. Not everyone will have a Lady Gaga success or Adele or a Kelly or Carrie type success. There are too many variables and really of those mentioned above, Kelly and Carrie have a sustained track record to date. Country has been kind to Idols and Kelly has earned her stripes and she,too, has endeared herself to Country.

    My point: idol needs to spin the positive aspects of the show. Let us see the successes, however modest, the contestants have achieved. People don’t seem to be getting that most of these kids would never have made it at all, would be working at Mcdonalds or Walmart or the local pub. Or maybe they would have just given up on their dream and gone to school and received their degree and lived a good life, but would always wonder. . .

    There definitely is a need for rethinking things on everyone’s part. A talent show that gives these kids opportunities and the chance to make money in an economy that offers even college graduates a slim chance at finding a job and even slimmer in their field, needs to be lauded rather than vilified. As Phillip Phillips stated, it’s all about the music and that, in my opinion, is why many singers/contestants will continue to be successful in their own way come what may. The staying power of Kelly and Carrie is an anomaly in the music industry and like it or not won’t be sustained at that level forever, but they will have a solid career for as long as they choose. Reba comes to mind to name just one.

    The negativity and bad press will eventually kill IDOL. The most vocal for its demise will, in turn, be the most vocal lamenting over the loss.

  • OffLeash

    Phillips eligible to receive up to $800,000 for a six-album deal.

    That’s a huge commitment! I’d take my chances with just one album, but that’s just me. Especially since there must be a clause in there somewhere that if they’re not commercially successful the label doesn’t have to go ahead with all six albums. I also imagine the Idols would have to reimburse whatever part of the advance money they couldn’t earn through sales, but I could be totally wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/glenwford Glen Ford

    Jessica is working with the best in the business-AI is trying to hitch a ride on her tails -Carrie Underwood is worth around $50 million-

  • Anonymous

    Allison was a lot more current than Jessica.  Where is she now?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7THB52IDN6MTZNJFBUZYGPHPOM pg

    Lauren was the highest debuting female country artist since Leanne Rimes. Lauren is doing extremely well in her very young career. Touring with sold out concerts opening for Jason Aldean and Sugarland.  She has been nominated for several awards.  Lauren’s album is currently at #40 on the billboard 200 country charts

  • Anonymous

    I am more and more impressed with the hard work Adam has done between CD’s.  He has been, and is now, out there all of the time working his hiney off.  And he is one of the most talented ones.

  • Tera2

    Jessica will get to make a full CD.  Her Pop/R&B/Hip-hopstyle with the right songs does well internationally. (and she can rap too) That style will sell here in USA too. Jimmy knows she can do very well in Phillipines, Korea and other Asian countries, and those are big markets who have been loyal to idol contestants who arent even of that heritage.  Jimmy and stars and producers like Akon and Will I Am of Blackeye Peas sees the potential in Jessica. 

     Jennifer Hudson, Jordin Sparks and Kelly Clarkson have done well with Pop/soul vibe and Jessica fit their vibe and can have hits too.  She likes Beyonce and Rihanna and covers their songs and their music do well internationally.  And Jessica has good recording voice that’s a combination of Beyonce and Jennifer Hudson.  Also, whats gonna matter is selecting good commercial songs for her CD and she will do well — sales of itunes of covered songs they sang on the show isnt what will matter in the end.  Contestants of The Voice all sell well on itunes during the show like Phillip but dont sell when actual CD comes out.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     I liked Allison, but she really wasn’t more current than Jessica.  Allison liked to rock.  But the pop rock direction they pushed her in didn’t click.

    The style Jessica likes to do fits Top 40 to a T.

  • Anonymous

    Your premise is flawed.  JH only sold a few based on her AW.  Jes is Lucky to sell 10K.

  • Anonymous

    It’s always a total package.  If Carrie was 300 lbs with warts, where would she be?  Sorry, just don’t feel like she deserves her $$$.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    There was mention of an Australian fan club for Jessica; also in England.  I still believe she wil be a success in Asia as well.  We may be looking at an International singing star.  I hope they prepare her properly for all of this.  Jessica is a winner.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UITYTUSGL7IK7WLFFDXXRYP7GA Falfor

    I am surprised that Idol has not done this a while back. For business reasons, allowing the younger contestants may have been what made it change. There is less obligation to the younger contestants than adults. Judge approval for the $, time to develop, time to finish school and time to determine if they are a success and worth keeping, all the while, with minimal obligation. If they do not succeed, Idol is out minimum damages and moves on to the next year. If they are successful, they have just added to their % of successes. Saavy business.

  • http://twitter.com/clubtekila iFancyJay

    Am I the only one who noticed that Jessica’s voice on every studio version of her songs on american idol sounded  a little different. It sounded too “POP-ish” for me, it’s like they auto-tuned it too much. However if you listen to her studio recordings prior American idol she sounded more like herself. Try and compare her studio recordings american idol and her journey to the finale songs too see if I’m right

    http://youtu.be/EzyZl7WBfzA (Skyscraper cover)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpHjKWBlI80 (Change Nothing)