Kris Allen and Adam Lambert Take Over the Charts

MJ, I’m confused (which is probably no surprise). Are the first set of numbers the totals just for the past week and Kirsten is still running the total season numbers to be posted later?

Yes. These numbers are just for the past week. They do not include the entire season or album sales.

Okay, that’s what I was confused about. I’m so glad both Adam and Kris are doing well and can’t wait to see the numbers for the entire season.

Looking at the charts posted in the other thread this is what I got

NUMBER OF SONGS IN THE TOP 200 (I’m including duets)

ADAM: 15
KRIS: 11

SINGLES SALES (I’m including duets)

ADAM: 380,654
KRIS: 468,101

ALBUM SALES

ADAM: 15,720 x (12 songs) = 188,640 songs
KRIS: 10,217 x (12 songs) = 122,604 songs

TOTAL SONGS SOLD (singles album)

ADAM: 569,294
KRIS: 590,405

If it’s only for the past week, then it is not indicative of the overall total sales since Season 8 began. It’s not surprising that Allen is topping the charts because it’s only now that his fans are buying his i-tunes whereas Lambert fans had bought his i-tunes right after his performance. So all is still good. I just hope you can make an overall sales report considering that you have the numbers week per week.

I just hope you can make an overall sales report considering that you have the numbers week per week.

We don’t have the numbers week per week and probably never will.

I believe this is for the whole season. It is cumulative sales, as previously Fox did not release the numbers. Similar for last year where all the cumulative sales numbers were released after the finale. So it should be the same for this year.

I believe this is for the whole season.

These numbers are just for this week.

I believe this is for the whole season. It is cumulative sales, as previously Fox did not release the numbers. Similar for last year where all the cumulative sales numbers were released after the finale. So it should be the same for this year.

That’s not true. These are week sales.
Last season they only released the last week sales. Just like these numbers are for this week only.
We never found out last season’s cumulative sales, and I’m guessing we won’t know about this season too.

Do these numbers mean that those 500 cheaters from Arkansas who singlehandedly power-texted Kris to his undeserved win then went out and bought a thousand copies of his singles too? :rolleyes_wp:

I do agree with lola that Adam’s fans probably purchased many of his songs weeks ago, which don’t seem to be included in this tally. It could be that Adam has still outsold Kris overall. But, at the end of the season, when the final vote was taken, Kris was a bit more popular because he saved two of his greatest performances for last, while many of Adam’s best came earlier. That feels about right to me.

MJ, thanks for clarifying that. If its only week sales then everything still good for Adam considering that he has consistently been on top of the i-tune charts from the beginning of Season 8.

MJ, thanks for clarifying that. If its only week sales then everything still good for Adam considering that he has consistently been on top of the i-tune charts from the beginning of Season 8.

Yes, and the tour will keep him relevant all summer unitl he makes his CD.

(Only numbers for the past week are available. Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hold your breath waiting for Idol to release the numbers for the entire season)

Ah, the holy grail of AI #’s. As others have said, I’d give my right arm to have totals from S7 (never mind S8).

Me with my money signs $$$….That’s about $10,000 each for these guys. Not bad, not bad at all for a weeks work. Nice gig!

If its only week sales then everything still good for Adam considering that he has consistently been on top of the i-tune charts from the beginning of Season 8.

We have no way of knowing if any of the Season 8 Idols was at the top of the iTunes chart all season, because we don’t have those numbers. AI didn’t allow those songs to chart until this week. All we have is one chart showing the popularity bars for one moment in time. While I wouldn’t be surprised if Adam sold well all season, and Kris caught up as the season went on, it’s a big stretch to draw that conclusion from 1 screen cap of popularity bars, and/or 1 week of sales at the end of the season.

Just read on Rolling Stones that Adam’s album is on #33 while Kris on #50.

The RollingStone is reporting that Adam beat Kris regarding album sales. Article Link

Article Excerpt

Last Weekà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Heroes: While last weekà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hero was undoubtedly American Idol Season Eight champ Kris Allen, the charts tell a different story: In what could foreshadow the two finalistsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ post-Idol career, AI runner-up Adam Lambert slotted at 33 with his iTunes-only Season Eight Favorite Performances collection. Kris Allenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s compilation of the same name entered the charts at 50, selling a mere 25 copies more than Passion Pit.

Do we have any way of knowing how Kris’s pass which includes the single and album is selling? Or is that included in single sales for now?

Can I just say WOW to David Cook’s numbers from last year!

Has anyone heard if Adam is going to get an iPass?

Whoa, Season 8 fanwars. I’ve had enough of that last season when I actually cared… LOL

That being said, the Rolling Stone article highlighting only compilation album sales, when they’re a slim percentage of overall sales, because Adam pulled ahead there? Hello bias.

LOL Gotta love RS’s spin to make Adam look better. Eh eh! I wonder what other publications will do… probably the same. Cause telling the runner up did better sure makes for more angry fans and probably more hits.

Congratulations to Adam & Kris and all the fans who are still competing w/each other trying to outbuy the other and boost the sales of their favorite AI. Ka Ching$$$$$.
For all the hoopla around Danny Gokey, his numbers appear to be lacking. Where are the Gokey fans now?
Kris & Adam both say the other is “deserving” to be AI winner, yet their fans still winding each other up. It’s over, so what’s that about? Some of what I’m reading smacks of politics when it’s really just entertainment.
Adam doesn’t need any excuses, he’s going where he wants to go and is reaching his goals. He’s selling himself and making music and getting (and has already received) lots of exposure. He’s a winner and he knows it.
Kris, too, is reaching his goals and dreams. As he admitted, he wasn’t dreaming big and didn’t really have long term, specific goals prior to entering AI. For him, it’s all gravy. He now has the future he couldn’t visualize while in college. He’s reached his dreams and setting new goals along the way. He’s a winner and he knows it.

I know I’ve enjoyed it all, so win/win/win.

ALBUM SALES

ADAM: 15,720 x (12 songs) = 188,640 songs
KRIS: 10,217 x (12 songs) = 122,604 songs

Converting album sales into single sales (and then adding them to single sales) seems really arbitrary. After all, single & albums are two totally different charts. If you do that with other albums, it creates a totally different (and deceptive) picture.

Glad that both Adam and Kris are doing so well, but yeah, Adam definitely got screwed by not releasing the total season numbers. After all, Mad World is a perfect example: it was released way back near the beginning of the season, and probably sold a ton of copies, and so when it was featured again in the finale, most people had already bought it the first time around (like me), so the numbers weren’t as high as Kris’s Heartless (which was much newer).

After all, when the mid-season itunes leak came out, I believe Adam had 6 of the top 10 AI tracks, and Kris had 3 (Danny I think had the last one). So obviously Adam was selling well early in the season as well.

Plus, why anyone is buying No Boundaries is beyond me. That song is terrible.

You know what. So what if Adam outsold Kris overall? Must Adam be #1 in everything to prove he will be successful?

I am a Kris fan, but Adam is my next favorite. I wish nothing but the best for both of them. I think the charts just prove that both of them can sell singles or albums, regardless of whoever sold better. I am happy that we have 2 winners here.

This past week I’ve seen alot of rough posts everywhere, but I do understand the disappointment of the fans. What is really important is both guys go and make good albums for their fans. Whoever wins in sales do not matter as much as the quality of the albums. I hope both Kris and Adam fans can continue to support their favorites.

Just my two cents worth.

Also, I think the numbers make sense. Kris is very current and radio-friendly. People are more likely to want to listen to Heartless on the radio than Mad World, which is a little too bleak and depressing (though imo 1000 times better than Heartless, just because that’s my personal music taste)

Still, I really really hope that these sales indicate that both Kris and Adam will do well in their future careers. Both do such different music, so it makes sense for Kris to find success in the Jason Mraz/John Mayer mold, with Adam doing his much more eclectic dance-pop-rock-electronic thing. If each comes out with a good first single, they can easily crack the Top 40 stations (I know mine play nothing but Black Eyed Peas, Mraz, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, etc.) They are both very current, but in very different styles.

Interesting to note that Adam’s performance videos way outsell Kris’s, which definitely makes sense, since Adam is the more dynamic performer.

Tess, I saw your $10,000 tally each for Adam & Kris.
How do you arrive at that number? Anyone knowthe percentage or how much the contestant’s receive from the sales, or where I can find the numbers?
Thanks.

snuffles, I’m so glad there is a new way of calculating singles sales! Now Carrie Underwood can say she has sold over 100 million singles! Oh wait, still doesn’t work that way….oops

Converting album sales into single sales (and then adding them to single sales) seems really arbitrary. After all, single & albums are two totally different charts. If you do that with other albums, it creates a totally different (and deceptive) picture.

Of course, but Rolling Stone needs to keep up with their current “must pimp Adam even if we tear down others” memo. Gotta love the spin heh.

I wish there were stats from the whole season because obviously Kris is going to be ahead in sales seeing as he just won.

Kris Allen – 478,927
Adam Lambert- 380,654

Those two together are less than David Cook’s total sales last year (942,000), with less days counting. Wow!

The hype of this year’s American Idol is not as great as last year, despite TPTB consistently telling us this season is the best. Also, David Cook has more moments than both Kris and Adam imo. YMMV.

But I think we have a better top 5 this year, whereas last season have the better top 12, and better show format. But thankfully Kris, Adam & Allison saved the show this year.

Those two together are less than David Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s total sales last year (942,000), with less days counting. Wow!

Yes. The show definitely was not as popular this year even though it made more money. It’ll be interesting to see what happens after season 8 contestants put their albums out.

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“Yes. The show definitely was not as popular this year even though it made more money. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be interesting to see what happens after season 8 contestants put their albums out.”

ITA. David Cook was so big right when the show ended that even his coronation song was a hit. But then his album came out and got meh reviews and the first 2 singles haven’t done so hot. He’s sold a good number of albums despite that but IMO with a better received album he would really have blown up in proportion to his popularity right after he won AI.

For Kris and Adam it’ll all depend on the singles from their albums and how well they’re reviewed. Adam has an advantage now in terms of the media being more interested in him and he’ll probably have flashier collabs but it also means higher expectations for him to meet on his debut. With Kris there’ll be less buzz about his album and who he’s working with but he’s got more of a chance of being a pleasant surprise.

Billboard’s news regarding the sales.

No Boundaries debuts at #11 on the HOT100. Kris has 5 songs there and Adam 4.

And they chose to use an Adam picture…

Cook’s sales were very very impressive last year, by any standard. Comparisons are always limited because some things change – Cook had more songs available, but Adam/Kris had more studio versions, Cook had less days to sell, but Adam/Kris fans weren’t in such a rush to buy… Yadda yadda yadda.

In the end, AI is a money making machine, and we can see just a glimpse of its power looking at the Idols domination of the charts. I’m happy for any contestant who gets a cut from all these downloads – no matter what season they came from.

No Boundaries debuts at #11 on the HOT100. Kris has 5 songs there and Adam 4.

Oh well.

“ITA. David Cook was so big right when the show ended that even his coronation song was a hit. But then his album came out and got meh reviews and the first 2 singles havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t done so hot. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sold a good number of albums despite that but IMO with a better received album he would really have blown up in proportion to his popularity right after he won AI.”

Actually most of the album reviews were positive, and I think it is one of the better idol debut albums ever. But I have to agree about the singles. People love David Cook for his originality, and yet RCA releases the only 2 songs which are NOT written by him as singles. Very disappointing. I think with Permanent being a hit just from the Idol performance, they should consider releasing it as a single. I don’t hold much hope in RCA though. They might just choose the next not-so-good song as the next single. I Did It For You? :X

I will stay positive for both Kris and Adam albums. And possibly Allison as well. I hope they will get the chance to do the music they want. It’s gonna be tough though. But here’s to hoping.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Yes. The show definitely was not as popular this year even though it made more money. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be interesting to see what happens after season 8 contestants put their albums out.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

If you are not a fan of the “front runner,” and you are constantly brow-beaten into submission, it gets tiring. It gets tiring when you actually pick someone else, and they still brow-beat you into submission by continually crapping on who you actually did like. There is no joy in this show at all.

How do the Itunes video sales figure into these calculations? I see three categories – Albums, Songs and Videos – but I dont see the video sales figures. Since they cost more than the songs, wouldn’t videos generate more revenues?

Congrats to both Kris and Adam for some very nice numbers. Wish them both all the best.

Season 7 versus Season 8 comparisons notwithstanding, I’m guessing this number right here is nearest and dearest to David Cook’s heart:

10 David Cook, PERMANENT -(tw)102,595 (Total)126,905

That is just fantastic, and for a great cause.

Billboardà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s news regarding the sales. No Boundaries debuts at #11 on the HOT100. Kris has 5 songs there and Adam 4.

I notice they are comparing Kris to David Cook a lot.

Is it just me, or does it not seem fair that they are releasing just week totals when these songs have been sold for over a 2 month period now?? The only song that really matters on this chart is No Boundaries since its a brand new song. Oh well, it is what it is so I’m going to stop complaining about it now. lol

I will stay positive for both Kris and Adam albums. And possibly Allison as well. I hope they will get the chance to do the music they want.

Both Kris & Adam have stated that they want to write songs for their albums. I guess it’ll depend on how good they are perceived by their label. The labels only care about making money, not about the music so much.

24. David Cook, Permanent

Yes! Very nice Hot 100 debut for Permanent.

“Actually most of the album reviews were positive,”

I was referring to most of the national ones: Rolling Stone / Entertainment Weekly / USA Today / Blender

Billboard (which is almost never negative), NY Times, and the Washington Post all said the album was generic post-grunge rawk but also felt David showed signs of being capable of better. So that’s all what I was referring to. I don’t want to threadjack what’s supposed to be a conversation about Kris and Adam on the Billboard Hot 100. I just want to explain what I meant as far as how these sales may or may not be predictors of album sales and agree that last year’s show seemed to be one with a better initial connection between the people who watch the show and people who were buying songs.

Congratulations to Kris on having 2 top 20 debuts and congratulations to Adam on his top 20 debut too! Those are solid sales all around.

Keith Urban also got a big boost from his duet performance with Kris. Kiss A Girl sold 71,575 downloads (up 425%) and shot all the way up to #20 on the Hot 100! That’s Keith’s career highest placement on the Hot 100.

Wow, there are about 36,000 hardcore Adam fans who will buy anything released by him, even if the song sucks. hehe.. and no, this is not a slam against him. I just think it’s cute. I’ve bought all of Adam’s stuff (except for that single and the Kiss performance since I don’t like Kiss), all of Kris’s stuff, and now I’m still deciding on Allison’s singles.. In general though, I am surprised that the totals are so uneven compared to last year but maybe it was because they removed most of the songs in a short time frame so everyone was in a rush to buy them?

By the way, how come there are no articles talking about how the Itunes leak was correct in predicting the top 2??? Now, that’s a real story!

ETA: Billboard is reporting that Adam Lambert and Kris Allen have, combined, 9 tracks on the Billboard Hot 100:

Combined?

Last year, David Cook had 11 song debut on the BillBoard Hot 100.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Rolling Stone Article is talking about how both compilations did on this weeks chart, so again, that has nothing to do with who has sold more this season. Just as Adam obviously sold well this season, I’m sure Kris did the same, and I’m also sure that both of their sales increased as the season neared its conclusion. The bottom line is that these chart postitions don’t tell us who sold more this season, just who sold more this past week.

If you are not a fan of the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“front runner,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and you are constantly brow-beaten into submission, it gets tiring. It gets tiring when you actually pick someone else, and they still brow-beat you into submission by continually crapping on who you actually did like. There is no joy in this show at all.

Tell me about it. I’m this close to staying away from comments because they’re actually starting to make me sick of Adam – in a Clay way.

Congrats to Kris and Adam for charting pretty well for such a low rated season though. They both have an uphill battle, and creative chart numbers are not going to help either.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to threadjack whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s supposed to be a conversation about Kris and Adam on the Billboard Hot 100

After going through all the trouble of linking all these album reviews? BTW, still not sure how reviews serve your point about sales, or how Cook’s album sales do… His album has sold very very well. Platinum albums don’t come so frequently nowadays. But since you don’t want to threadjack, I’ll leave it there.

Last year, David Cook had 11 song debut on the BillBoard Hot 100.

I for one am thrilled that record remains intact.

I’m glad they’re both doing well! What’s really interesting is that the rest of the top 8 are doing so poorly. Even Kris’ winner single is hurting compared to Cook’s last year (although, I think that has more to do with the shitty song no one wants to hear than Kris’ popularity.)

With viewership down/least rated finale in Idol history and lower single sales… this doesn’t really look good for Idol.

It does bring in a interesting comparison between Kris and Danny though. It seems that in hindsight, Gokey never had a chance of making the finale. It was always going to to be Kris&Adam.

Correct me if Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m wrong, but the Rolling Stone Article is talking about how both compilations did on this weeks chart, so again, that has nothing to do with who has sold more this season. Just as Adam obviously sold well this season, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure Kris did the same, and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m also sure that both of their sales increased as the season neared its conclusion. The bottom line is that these chart postitions donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t tell us who sold more this season, just who sold more this past week.

Yes!! Exactly!!! Someone got it!! lol :clap_tb:

The big difference is that Adam has been selling from day 1. He has sold a ton as evidenced by the leaked information from Itunes during the competition. The other guy is making some sales after the fact…. Despite this Adam’s album still charted 17 positions higher and his videos are outselling the other guy. If you didn’t really love an artist and just wanted a song or two of theirs you would buy their single. Adam is AMAZING!

Last year, David Cook had 11 song debut on the BillBoard Hot 100.

I for one am thrilled that record remains intact.

The problem with making a comparison is that, as the RollingStone article pointed out, people interested in buying Kris Allen’s work had more choices. Based on the daily Itunes chart the season pass is selling well, I don’t think it’s fallen out of the top twenty since last week, he also had the best of compilation, as well as studio and live recordings.

Congrats to Kris and Adam for charting pretty well for such a low rated season though. They both have an uphill battle, and creative chart numbers are not going to help either.

I think the good news for both Kris and Adam is that the Idol fanatics only make up a fraction of the audience that they will have to appeal to when they put out their cds. The majority of the people who will buy their cds don’t know anything about their runs on the show, or care about so called fan wars.

Yes, but Kris’s iTunes pass is for the coronation song and his major label debut, right? It’s a pre-order his album not the studio tracks off the show.

PhDude, unless you have hard numbers to back up what you are saying then it’s just your opinion. And given how well a lot of Kris material is doing, videos, season pass, compilations, cd, NB, etc. it’s really an arguement that doesn’t have a point. Both are doing well, they aren’t competing against one another, and both have loyal fans who want to hear their music.

I’m suprised you can’t come up with a reason why Kris’ version of No Boundaries is doing so much better than Adam’s.

I’m not even going to try and understand what all this means. What I do understand, is that this show is run by people who get dizzy with ecstasy when they hear fans getting wound up about stuff like who sold what and how. So as long as we wind, they’re going to keep on keeping all the good info to themselves.

I’ll just try to be thankful we had that glitch that showed us their iTunes popularity back in April. At least there, you could compare apples to apples, and not apples to asparagus to lists of various herbs (that you can purchase as a package). :dry_tb:

The problem with making a comparison is that, as the RollingStone article pointed out, people interested in buying Kris Allenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s work had more choices.

Considering his “Best Of” compilation sold all of 10K, I call that a very flimsy excuse. Even if everyone who bought that album would’ve instead purchased every song as a single (and that’s a very big IF), Kris still wouldn’t be close to DCs totals from last year.

the Rolling Stone Article is talking about how both compilations did on this weeks chart, so again, that has nothing to do with who has sold more this season.

Not that it matters, and I couldn’t care less, but to be clear. The first time I saw these compilation/albums for the Top 2 was finale night. So, if that’s true that they were just compiled and released as a set last week, then this week’s numbers do show how well those compilations sold “this season” since they’ve just been available for a week.

So, at least for those “albums” (and the coronation song, as well as those others just released last week), we could very well track complete numbers along the way. (Right Kirsten?) But, like others have said, I seriously doubt we’ll ever know the season’s sales totals for any Idols or songs other than those released just last week.

But YAY for all the Idols selling well!!! Especially my boy Cook’s charity single!! And, very cool that RCA made a large donation to Cook’s team for Race for Hope. That’s really fantastic~

I still stand by my prediction that come this time next year, these two numnuts will have failed to equal the sum total of single and album sales of The Davids. David Cook blasted onto the Itunes charts with his Idol songs, and David Archuleta made a decent showing at that time. David Archuleta then surprised everyone with his #2 BB debuts for both lead single and album…and that lead single is currently approaching the 1.8M sales mark–the largest single from the Davids. Combined, the two Davids have nearly 2.0M album sales and well over 5M in single sales. So, go for it, Kradam!

Reviews mean squat and do not make or break anything; it’s just an opinion. Daughtry did’t get good reviews for his first album and he sold great. It seems like some critics give negative reviews to anyone who was on Idol; esp. the winner just to make a point or because they hate Idol.

Cook’s album is great and not the problem IMO. RCA picked the two worse songs as singles and that is what people are hearing and maybe aren’t liking. The good news is most of the other songs on the record are way better than those, more represent his sound and he had a hand in writing those so that’s great. Permanent went over really well and he co-write that and it’s the most personal song and best song IMO on the record. The econmoy is awful too. Either way his album is selling really well esp. considering the times.

It’s a marathon; not a sprint. Unfortunately the last couple of years have been the worst time economically to win or be on the show because of the times. They each probably would have sold double more than what they have now a couple of years ago. No one is selling like they used to.

“After going through all the trouble of linking all these album reviews? BTW, still not sure how reviews serve your point about sales, or how Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album sales doà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦”

Not much trouble: Metacritic is close to one stop shopping Too, I was trying not to repeat myself. I’d said in an earlier post that IMO with the groundswell of support Cook had when his AI season ended, I felt he would’ve blown up bigger if he’d had an album that was better received. I truly believe Cook was the most well received AI winner since Kelly Clarkson when his show ended. The better way to put it is that IMO Cook’s album squandered a lot of that excitement he had generated as the AI innovator – reviewers seemed disappointed he didn’t show the same creative flair from the show on his album and that translated into lower buzz for the album and IMO lower sales than Cook was capable of considering the size of the AI fanbase he’d started with. The radio play for the singles after TOML hasn’t helped his case either.

What I said at first is that Adam and his collaborators on his album should keep this in mind – all that credit he’s gotten for reinventing AI and being the show’s first or biggest star translates into expectations like what there were for Cook’s album. If Adam meets those expectations then his album sales may blow up bigger relative to his i-Tunes numbers that were released this week. I also talked about Kris in this context but I don’t want to repeat myself.

It’s just another way of making a very simple and unoriginal point: early sales off AI only mean so much in predicting album sales. Now album sales are only part of the picture. Careers are built off more than albums and radio play and I’ll be happy if Adam and Kris are able to put out good music and have respectable careers. Cook is doing just fine career wise.

Combined, the two Davids have nearly 2.0M album sales and well over 5M in single sales. So, go for it, Kradam!

Hee. That’s a throw down. How about we just settle all this with a Cookchuleta v. Kradam cage match? No, too dangerous. I don’t want them to hurt their pretty little selves. Tag team jello wrestling? A dance off judged by Lil Mama, JC Chavez and Shane Sparks? How about a hot dog eating contest (Kradam wins that one because Cook hates mustard…)

So, at least for those à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“albumsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (and the coronation song, as well as those others just released last week), we could very well track complete numbers along the way. (Right Kirsten?) But, like others have said, I seriously doubt weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll ever know the seasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sales totals for any Idols or songs other than those released just last week.

We can track the compilations, since they’ve just been available for a week, but we can’t see how each single track sold for the entire season, since that information isn’t available. I think we can see that both were popular since both still have older songs that are charting: for example, Apologize and Falling Slowly.

I still stand by my prediction that come this time next year, these two numnuts will have failed to equal the sum total of single and album sales of The Davids.

Really? I think these two “numnuts” have a much better chance of gaining non-AI appeal after the show compared to the Davids. I say this as someone who only is interested in one of those numnuts musically, but feels both could be (catchphrase) current. As long as the producers don’t mess it up.

By the way, the media is going to be the media, no matter who wins. They didn’t “pimp” Adam because the show did, but because they wanted to. Just because Kris won doesn’t mean they will switch gears. And just because the media likes Adam or if he sells more doesn’t mean Kris didn’t win either.

Oi, fanwars.

Cross season fanwars. Don’t you love it? Truth is we have no idea what is going to happen to any of them a year from now so of course it’s all guess work. You can always “twist” the facts to favor who you prefer, etc. Who knew Kelly would struggle to get platinum with two hit singles this go around? The times aren’t good and they all have more songs and CD’s that will come out. You can’t judge any of them now; it’s too soon.

Hee. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a throw down. How about we just settle all this with a Cookchuleta v. Kradam cage match? No, too dangerous. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want them to hurt their pretty little selves. Tag team jello wrestling? A dance off? How about a hot dog eating contest (Kradam wins that one because Cook hates mustardà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦)

LMAO!! Lil’ David would prefer a Pad Thai eating contest, I’m sure, haha. As for being too “pretty” for Kaged Kombat, you’re spot on! Am I the only one on the planet who finds them both attractive?! Oh well, but seriously for a sec, the David-David bond appears unbreakable even at 1 year out. They’re in constant contact according to both, and a joint appearance in Manila drew a frenzied crowd of 100K people! Both Davids had sold-out solo gigs in the USA, and then Lil’ One did the same in Asia. So, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if this unholy (haha) Kradam alliance can stand the ultimate test: the test of time.

Really? I think these two à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“numnutsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  have a much better chance of gaining non-AI appeal after the show compared to the Davids.

Well, in case you haven’t noticed, the record industry is in collapse, trends change with the wind, old “success” yardsticks are in the trash, and it’s not easy (at all) to push 1M album copies these days. Unless, that is, you’re a group reuniting or member of a select club/handful of artists. And yet, Cook did it in short order, and Archuleta went gold in less than 2 mos and is approaching 750K off of 1 measly hit single. Extraordinary. Do you really think any debut single from the college crooner or the electro-funktastic rocker will eclipse mini-D’s “Crush” in sales? My opinion (as with the original opinion) is just that: an opinion. And that opinion can be expressed in a range of “no to likely not.”

I agree carolinacharms. It seems AI fans in particular aren’t taking into account the state of the economy and album sales being down in general. People are so focused on the sales and who is outselling who and so and so isn’t doing as well or isn’t doing well or so and so is a “star” or isn’t a “star” that they aren’t taking into account how different things are. You can’t compare past idols, esp now. You can’t say people aren’t stars or aren’t successful or as succesful as Carrie, Kelly and Daughtry because they haven’t sold as much. Those days are over and probably forever. They aren’t even selling as much anymore. Look at Kelly. These days it’s not as simple as good music will sell or bad music won’t. Good music will rise above, etc. Good songs and artists don’t always sell and bad songs and artists do well sometimes; esp. these days. Things have changed. People need to adjust how much they think an AI should sell or what will make them a “star” because using the popular Carrie, Kelly Daughtry meme don’t work anymore. Album sales are down the drain and top 40 has had a rehaul in the last few months.

Wow, gotta give props to David Cook, who had really great final week sales there.

Congrats to Kris/Adam too, those two got the most ka-ching in the house this year, haha.

All Access now has Kris’ label listed as Jive in the Cool New Music section (where up until this morning it still said RCA) and also in the Hot AC section’s Spotlight Tracks with the caption:

Kris Allen
No Boundaries
19/Jive/JLG

The first single from the new 2009 American Idol Winner!

Jive, eh? I didn’t really expect that, but good for Kris. They seem to me to be good marketers and more patient than some other labels.

If you are not a fan of the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“front runner,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and you are constantly brow-beaten into submission, it gets tiring. It gets tiring when you actually pick someone else, and they still brow-beat you into submission by continually crapping on who you actually did like. There is no joy in this show at all.

We will get through this together, cc!!

Also, congratulations to Kris for selling over 134,000 copies of a terrible, terrible song.

And congratulations to both Kris and Adam for some outstanding sales numbers! I can’t wait to hear their REAL songs!

I dont know if Kris has a deal yet.It might still be in the works.Sometimes it says jive and sometimes it says rca.

lol @ sunchick with the pretty boy death match. Seriously, is this what happens when the predominately female fans of a bunch of attractive reality show males get together? I’m thinking we are collectively the worst thing Idol has contribute to feminism since Bikini Girl. LOL.

It does bring in a interesting comparison between Kris and Danny though. It seems that in hindsight, Gokey never had a chance of making the finale. It was always going to to be Kris&Adam.

I think these are sales for one week only, and of course Danny wouldn’t sell well that week since he wasn’t in the finals. Same with Allison.

If we were able to see the sales for each week, we’d know more. All this captures is one week, the finale week.

I’m thrilled to see David Cook selling so well still. Pretty amazing.

So, at least for those à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“albumsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  (and the coronation song, as well as those others just released last week), we could very well track complete numbers along the way. (Right Kirsten?) But, like others have said, I seriously doubt weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll ever know the seasonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sales totals for any Idols or songs other than those released just last week.

The problem with the album numbers is even though the compliation was last week, every song had already been available as a single beforehand. I did not purchase Kris’s album because I already owned every song on the album from purchasing each single individually throughout the season. This is not like a brand new album. I feel like I own Kris’s album too since I have every single song on it and I wish they would give the season amounts because I want to be included in the sales totals.

Also, I noticed that Itunes put Kris’s Itunes pass on the album chart. I think that No boundaries just happens to be first track available on the Itunes pass, so I don’t think the Itunes pass purchases count in the No Boundaries single total.

My understanding is in the past, if a fan wanted the coronation song SOON after American Idol, then the only choice was to buy the single. This means that the numbers for the coronation song included everyone who had purchased the song.

Fans that bought the Itunes pass got the coronation song as part of the bargin of buying the Itunes pass, but I believe are not included in the No Boundaries single total if the Itunes pass counts on the album chart.

I think this means that the number of people who own Kris’s No Boundaries song are a higher number than the just the singles total for No Boundaries. It does not look like the Itunes pass totals are high enough to make that much of an impact, but I am thinking that the Itunes pass lowered Kris’s coronation single number total, but incresed the reveune brought in for Kris last week.

If any of my assumptions are wrong, please correct me, because I don’t think Itunes is clear at all on how they count stuff.

The Davids set the bar. Class and mad talent all the way. Good luck to both Kris and Adam. It’s quite easy to make projections, but by this time next year, I hope as much success, sales, respect, and affection as The Davids have garnered in their year out of Idol.

I didnt get the Kris’s album thing.Maybe Adam fans got it because they didnt get his singles? and waited for it all to be on a album.I already had all of his songs on my ipod and it would be a waste of money for me to buy it again.
I suppose other Kris fans did and felt the same?

Billboardà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s news regarding the sales.

No Boundaries debuts at #11 on the HOT100. Kris has 5 songs there and Adam 4.

And they chose to use an Adam pictureà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

lol

Reason #36 why American said NO to Adam Lambert

Well, in case you havenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t noticed, the record industry is in collapse, trends change with the wind, old à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“successà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  yardsticks are in the trash, and ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not easy (at all) to push 1M album copies these days. Unless, that is, youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re a group reuniting or member of a select club/handful of artists. And yet, Cook did it in short order, and Archuleta went gold in less than 2 mos and is approaching 750K off of 1 measly hit single. Extraordinary. Do you really think any debut single from the college crooner or the electro-funktastic rocker will eclipse mini-Dà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Crushà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in sales? My opinion (as with the original opinion) is just that: an opinion. And that opinion can be expressed in a range of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“no to likely not.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Of course it’s your opinion, and as I stated, mine was that I feel both Adam and Kris have more non-AI appeal, so I don’t think it’s out of the question for the combined pair to do really well once their albums are released. I noticed the record industry is in disarray (it has been for awhile, in my opinion, and days of multi-millions are long gone), but I don’t think it’s out of the question for two artists to get there, especially with Kris being talented at what he does and Adam being eclectic. Maybe it’s because off the show I don’t see the appeal of the Davids musically.

How can we predict what Kris or Adam’s albums will do if we don’t even know what type of music they will be releasing?

I also think both can appeal to the majority of people who don’t watch the show, but they have to produce the type of music that they are passionate about. But, for some reason, I think TPTB will try to force Adam to do a pop/rock cd instead of the dance/electronic/alt rock that he is crazy about, and that suits him best. I also think Kris may not have as much control over his cd that he wants, and he may be forced into doing dance/bubble gum pop, instead of the soul/r&b/rock that he wants to do.

Reason #36 why American said NO to Adam Lambert

They are saying yes to his music and thats all that matters. LOL

Reason #36 why American said NO to Adam Lambert

But said YES! to AT&T.

Sorry, that was the first thing that popped into my head and sometimes when that happens I just go with it.

I think we have now, for the second year in a row, two very strong finalists. I think Adam and Kris are different than the Davids because although they are both very good looking, just like the Davids, I think the makeup of their fans are different. I don’t think Adam and Kris have the crazy tweens and crazy cougars chasing after them like the Davids did because in many ways, these two guys are not your standard fare pin up boys. I think a portion of Cook’s following was due to his hearthrob status. Hence people went into meltdown after the Kimberly Caldwell thing. Both Davids were awesome during the season and are incredibly talented. But I do think there are many reasons why some artists sell more than others. The economy is in the toilet right now so that is also a contributing factor as well.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just a schmuck on a laptop and not a music industry insider.

Adam’s “A Change is Gonna Come” is the number 1 single in Canada!!

http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Charts/SINGLES.html

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