Carrie Underwood just laid down vocals for NBC Sunday Night Football according to a producer who tweeted, “Hey SNF fans@carrieunderwood just laid her vocals on “waiting all day for sunday night” and she rocked the house. Gonna be epic”

Angie Miller tweets, “Today is an exciting day! Photo shoot with @justinemagazine then I’ll be singing at the Women In Film event tonight=) http://www.wif.org”

RaeLynn Signs With Big Enterprises – Kerry Hansen and Jenn Witherell of Big Enterprises have announced the signing of The Valory Music Co./Republic Records artist RaeLynn. She joins the management company which is home to Wynonna and Elenowen. “RaeLynn is an extremely talented, driven and uniquely positioned young artist,” said Hansen. “Her experience on NBC’s The Voice may have launched the start of her career but her strong songwriting and unique vocals will make her a star. We are thrilled to be partnering with her and the BMLG family.” RaeLynn, age 19, inked with Republic Nashville in June 2011 following an appearance on season 2 of NBC’s The Voice. – Read more at MusicRow

Adam Levine on Blake Shelton’s Ego: “His Head Can’t Get Any Bigger!” – “Blake’s head can’t really get any bigger,” the Maroon 5 frontman told us last night after the show. “It’s max capacity right now. It’s got no more space to grow.” “I was shocked that I lost Judith [Hill] and Sarah [Simmons] in one fell swoop. That was upsetting,” he told us. “It’s so close to the end you just have to celebrate the good things. I know Amber feels good about it; she’s not going to be crying herself to sleep. It’s tough to get this far. It’s really hard.” – Watch the Video at E News

Constantine Maroulis and Kate Rockwell Will Star in Re-Conceptualized Reading of Air Supply Musical Lost In Love – Tony Award nominee Constantine Maroulis, who was recently seen in the Broadway revival of Jekyll & Hyde, and Rock of Ages’ Kate Rockwell will star in a private industry reading of the Air Supply musical Lost In Love June 18 at Pearl Studios in Manhattan. The piece — which pulls its score from the catalogue of the Grammy Award-winning band Air Supply and features a book by Rock of Ages’ Tony Lepage and Justin Matthew Sargent — was seen in a 2012 New York City reading and has been completely re-conceptualized since that time. – Read more at Yahoo.com

12 American Idol Alums Who Would Make Good Judges – As part of American Idol’s complete overhaul for its upcoming 13th season, the show is considering hiring former alums to join the judges’ panel. With Mariah Carey, Nicki Minaj and Randy Jackson definitely not returning, and Keith Urban’s fate still up in the air, it’s safe to say that there are at least two open positions at the table. Jennifer Hudson is reportedly in talks to join, while original champ Kelly Clarkson has said that she is not interested. Here’s a list of 12 alums we think would be great additions to the floundering show (in alphabetical order): – Read more at TVGuide

Artists Sign On For iHeartRadio’s “Show Your Stripes” Campaign – Clear Channel has launched iHeartRadio’s Show Your Stripes, a company-wide community service project to address unemployment among U.S. military veterans and to encourage businesses to hire skilled veterans. The company is set to spend more than $75 million on radio, digital and other resources to highlight skills brought back by returning servicemen and women that are valuable to employers. To launch the campaign, artists including Elton John, John Legend, Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Brad Paisley, Ryan Seacrest, Mario Lopez, Trace Adkins and LL Cool J have recorded a series of PSAs that showcase stories from veterans who have successfully found jobs. Clarkson tells the story of Jeff Marshall, a 10-year member of the U.S. Air Force special operations command who is now working in online operations at Facebook. – Read more at MusicRow

Idol Finalist Adam Lambert Gets Serious On The Afternoon News – Lambert took time out of his day to talk with KDKA Radio’s Joe DeStio about the LGBT community and what it means to him to be a voice for them. Some of Lambert’s concerts and appearances around the world have been protested due to his views. When DeStio asked him how that affected him, Lambert offered a little secret, “Just between me and you, I think it’s a little bit fun.” – Read more at CBS Local.com

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Taylor Hicks ready for beach, bushwackers and jamming on stage with his old friends – Life is good for American Idol winner and Hoover native Taylor Hicks. He just signed a one year extension with Bally’s to continue headlining at the company’s casino properties that later this summer will take him from his Las Vegas home base to Reno and Atlantic City. He’s also laying down tracks for what he calls “a soulful country record’’ in Nashville. And he gets to return to his old stomping ground to play Friday and Saturday shows at the Flora-Bama’s Shindig on the Beach. “My first time performing on the Gulf Coast was at the ‘Bama with a band called Passing Through. And I guess I played there on and off for about four years,’’ Taylor said from a Nashville recording studio. – Read more at Mullett Wrap

Nigel Lythgoe on ‘American Idol’ Boot: Not a ‘Surprise’ – Lythgoe explained, “I’d read for a week that we were going to be fired in different papers and magazines, so it didn’t come as too much of a surprise when I got a telephone call on Friday. I was grateful to get the call.” He added that the drama between judges Mariah Carey and Nicki Minaj was not good for the show. “I don’t think it was the talent… it didn’t help not having that chemistry, not having the camaraderie we had in the past.”

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Nigel Lythgoe Has ‘Hard Feelings’ Over Exit, Says He Understands It Wasn’t ‘Personal’ – “Of course I’ve got hard feelings. I’m pissed off,” he said with a laugh as he spoke to AccessHollywood.com’s Laura Saltman on the red carpet at the Critics’ Choice Television Awards on Monday night in Los Angeles. “But, in truth, you say at the end of the day that this has been a fantastic journey and it really has [been] for me, personally. “I believe the issue is that we lost our way, that we went for a young audience when really, we’re a family show,” he told Laura. “When we came over here, I said, ‘We are going for targeting this middle age group that will bring the kids in and the grandparents. And families I think, nowadays, feel very guilty they aren’t together enough so if you have a program that attracts an entire family, you get what you want, which is that younger age group anyway.” – Read more at Access Hollywood

Derek Hough finally admits he dated Cheryl Cole but claims he hadn’t heard of her before – PREPARE YOURSELF! This may come as a complete shock (although it really shouldn’t) – Cheryl Cole and her Dancing With The Stars friend Derek Hough were once an item. Back in 2010 it seemed like former Girls Aloud star Chezza and professional dancer Del boy spent every waking minute together but they kept their lips locked on each other on the true nature of their relationship and insisted they were just friends at the time. Speaking at a BBC Worldwide Dancing With The Stars event in London, Derek said: “We dated for a while. Absolutely we are still friends, we are very close. – Read more at Mirror.co.uk

‘The Voice’s’ Amber Carrington: I couldn’t sing ‘worth a flip’ this week – “I’ve cried so many times this week,” “The Voice” hopeful Amber Carrington confessed to TODAY.com after Monday night’s performance show. “It’s been really stressful.” The Team Adam singer’s mother recently passed away. Then, in the midst of the competition, Amber found herself getting sick. And as if she wasn’t already feeling overwhelmed, she had two particularly challenging songs to perform on the hit NBC series this week — one of them originally recorded by her coach, Adam Levine, and his band Maroon 5. “I could not sing this week worth a flip. My throat was having tons of issues, and I had to go to the doctor,” Amber said. “My (iTunes) recording session was horrible. ‘Firework’ killed me all week.” – Read more at Today.com

How Simon Cowell ‘Factor’-ed Into ‘American Idol’s’ Decline – Simon Cowell has meted out his share of criticism as a judge of musical talent. So hopefully he can endure some leveled at him in hastening the descent of “American Idol,” whose ratings decline — triggering changes in front of and behind the camera — can be traced directly to the acerbic Brit. After a titanic run that left everyone feeling understandably smug, “Idol’s” ratings have drifted downward faster than anyone anticipated. Recent moves have included the departure of longtime Fox reality kingpin Mike Darnell (with denials “Idol” in any way precipitated the decision), the appointment of David Hill to oversee Fox’s music competitions and the departure of “Idol’s” longtime producers. – Read more at Variety.com

 
  • Mateja Praznik

    ‘X Factor’ New Orleans Auditions: It’s All About the Girls, Says Simon Cowell

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/x-factor-new-orleans-auditions-566367

    After one act apparently bombed, Rubio tried to be diplomatic, saying she had “nothing to say at all.”

    The ever quotable Cowell didn’t miss a beat.

    “I do,” he hissed. “You are both awful singers.”

  • BonnieDee

    Strange. Holly was having throat problems right before she was eliminated too.

  • BonnieDee

    I might watch X Factor just to see a judge actually criticize a contestant.

  • girlygirl

    @IDOLLILROUNDS

    #I had a great weekend and I’m now currently at the studio getting ready to make magic happen with this music!#Focused

  • windmills

    The official Opry youtube channel posted video of Carrie performing Two Black Cadillacs at the 1st show of her 5th anniversary of membership celebration at the Opry last Friday:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi3sBeD1VRE

    There’s also this fan video via Facebook of Carrie during an Opry commercial break. It’s kind of cute, lots of waving to fans and encouraging them to raise the roof at the mention of The Band Perry, who will play the Opry along with Carrie on 7/5.

    I’m still waiting for the Opry to post footage of Kree’s Opry debut and hopefully also Kellie’s performance there last Tuesday.

    A follow up on RaeLynn: she was part of the #CMChat Twangout interview series last week, and mentioned she would be headed into studio to record some songs from which they’d pick a single. She wasn’t more specific on a timeline for when that single might be released.

  • Happyhexer

    Really, Nigel, really? Someone thought that Nicki Minaj was gonna bring in a young audience all by her lonesome? And you helped her do that, by what? Having Burt Bacharach (sp?) themes? I’m not young, and even I thought the music was dated. Yes, there was talent, but you did nothing to let the talent shine, and you and TPTB cast shade on the talent with your middlin’ to awful selection of male talent. And if you think the average American family ever sits down to watch TV together in 2013 . . . just give it up and retire from the biz right now. That hasn’t happened since I was a kid! You would have needed, at the very least, a much better mix of current music to golden oldies to have the remotest chance of accomplishing that goal. And yes, the tension between the judges was awful and painful to watch, but no more painful than listening to Lazaro attempt to sing (IMHO, of course), or listening to moth-eaten songs that have been done to death on Idol and should be retired. We also didn’t get to learn much about the contestants THAT MATTERS. We had to wait for Slezak’s interviews for that. How sad.

  • sdmama

    The analysis by Variety, tracing the beginning of big decline of American Idol back to Simon’s departure from the show, is interesting. Some stuff I never thought about.

    To summarize, It is not to say that losing Simon killed the show, but him starting X Factor on Fox (long story there) shifted focus on both shows to celebrity judges, that backfired.

    In my take, American Idol would have lasted for 25 years at the top, if Simon could have (like Johnny Carson had the same show forever). But he got bored and wanted his own thing in competing format, and that started the snowball. Nigel should have given in to let him have his way to keep him happy, or should have replaced the whole panel with 3 witty people with great chemistry, who are much less known and cheaper, and ignore his search for big name judges.

    Top Gear UK is hosted by 3 guys I would not trust to tinker with my car, but it is a great show. The fact that they are not mechanics is not keeping them to host a show about cars. I would listen to judges who love music but cannot carry a tune in a bucket themselves if they have interesting thing to say, and have great bunters among themselves.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Basically. She brought them a younger audience, and they did nothing to get that audience to stay. Whelp.

  • czt

    I agree with Nigel when he said it started to go wrong when they changed the focus of the show from family viewing to trying to bring in a younger audience. Go back to the roots of Idol. Make it about the contestants, that is the one thing Idol has going over all the other singing shows. Test the chemistry of the judging panel and give us a panel who respect and enjoy each other. Give the contestants the opportunity to sing what they want and are good at. Open the song list choices. Don’t manipulate the contestant choices, clearly better male singers were sent home and weaker male contestants were kept this year. While reading the many idol blogs and comments, everyone has the same basic comments and words of advice to save Idol — hopefully the new producer is taking the time to read the blogs.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I found that really interesting. So there’s confirmation of some longtime boards speculation – that the contestants had suddenly gotten younger because they wanted younger viewers. But it does beg the question – why didn’t they move towards younger themes?

    I wonder if they are going back to the old strategy of targeting the middle agers (I guess he means moms and dads, though they may not really be ‘middle age”) so that the whole family will watch together. The new guy is known for making a version of Idol that appeals to young people, right?

    Anyway, between this and the Variety article, it will be interesting to see what Fox’s next moves are.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I think moving the focus of the show from family viewing to younger audience would be actually the right thing to do. it’s just that they didn’t do nearly enough to move it. 3 out of 4 judges were still over 40 years old. One even over 60. Only one judge was younger and appealing for younger and different audience. The show still used same old themes and old songs and the band was still rehashing old sounding arrangements.

    Panel of 4 judges all under 40 years old that generally gets on well together but isn’t saccharine sweet at the same time would be good.

    The show has always been about the contestants, it’s just that over the years TPTB forgot how to showcase them properly.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Moving towards younger contestants is no brainer. I mean, major labels want singers that are young and look young. It’s just that Idol contestants, even if they are young, often present themselves or are presented by the show as more wholesome and serious than regular teens or young adults. That extreme pageantry is a real turn off. But I guess people think that being wholesome is a requirement for AI.

  • taylor

    The promised catfight that was widely advertised brought in some of the Jersey Shore type audience for the first few shows. When they realized they weren’t going to see two big name, pop star women clawing at each other, they jumped ship back to MTV and E.

  • standtotheright

    This has been debunked, repeatedly, when comparing ratings patterns of the most recent season to other seasons. Joke audition people invariably show up in droves for the first few weeks and then leave when other shows come back on the air. I’m officially calling derp on it.

    The problem was what the producers did to the contestants. Forced segregation to make the lack of male talent more obvious made people less likely to tune in for females or see it as a cohesive, friendly, group, more ancient themes, and the eventual “we repeat whatever TPTB tell us to, no matter how contradictory” commentary from the panel.

  • elliegrll

    The ironic thing about this is that when AI started the audience was very young. Even two seasons ago, AI was in the top five or ten shows among 12-25 year olds.

    Going after younger viewers is the only way that the show can survive, and having them is the only way that the show will be considered relevant again. The problem is that the people in charge have no clue about how to do this. Let’s just do some basic math, the show drew more younger viewers, more viewers overall, and a more diverse audience when the cast was more diverse, and when they didn’t seem to be pandering to older viewers.

    I also can’t help but think about how funny it is that Simon and Ryan’s constant homophobic sparring, bikini girl, and Steven Tyler’s antics are considered family friendly, but the things that happened this year weren’t.

  • standtotheright

    It depends on the definition of “young.” Songwriter types come off more credible in their early-to-mid-20s than the teens. R&B acts do too.

  • standtotheright

    Billboard just released a list of the songs of the summer from 1985-2012.. A handful have been used by AI over the years; that’s part of the problem. Not that I’m expecting anyone to perform Lollipop on stage, but some of these are obvious big hits with decent familiarity in the demo and have never cleared. Maybe Blankens will have the sense (and authority) to change that.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Going after younger viewers is the only way that the show can survive, and having them is the only way that the show will be considered relevant again.

    Bingo. Being “family viewing” meant that the show appealed to the whole age range of the family, with the teens sitting through it voluntarily. And if you’re wanting to appeal to families that have 15-year-olds at home, then the parents are (most likely) in their late 30s to mid-40s, or born from the mid-1960s into the 1970s.

    A person born between 1965 and 1975 would be nostalgic about music from roughly 1980 to the mid-1990s… not the mid/late 1960s era that TPTB have fixated on.

  • Face

    while I agree with a lot of the Variety article in terms of XF cannibalising audience from AI…
    what it failed to mention is that in between Cowell leaving AI and XF starting TV came along…
    so in the US it quickly went from 1 x reality singing contest show on once a year to 3 shows… and then when TV decided to run 2 cycles a year, that only added to the ratings issues for AI (and XF in the Fall)…

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    EXACTLY!!! They’ve always had this weird, huge gap when it comes to 80s, 90s (and early 00s music), even though that’s what’s likely to appeal the demo. It’s strange.

  • standtotheright

    Cook’s lyrics contest has an official winner: Here. It’s really well done.

    This is one of those times where encouraging fan efforts arguably lead to a better result than a professional team would have provided (the two semi-finalists were also quite good), and for a lot less money. Those situations are vanishingly rare, but they exist.

    I’d like to see similar efforts from other show finalists.

  • Face

    but isn’t that reduction in the youth audience for AI more of a direct result of the launch of TV and XF in the last 2 years…
    the way I (maybe wrongly) look at it is that as soon as newer fresher looking (but similar) shows came along… the younger audience that maybe liked the AI concept… but maybe had never liked everything about it… could watch something else that was similar enough but a little bit different… and maybe younger feeling… even if only because it was newer…

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I don’t think they can anymore, It seems like The Voice has that young audience already. Maybe not though. Anyone has the stats?

    I guess if AI starts targeting people in their 30s and 40s, they need to look for judges who made their mark in the mid 80s through the 90s? In that light the pick of Mariah Carey made a lot of sense on paper. Ditto Stephen Tyler & JLo. Mary J Blige would also make sense, or someone like Babyface. If they did that plus an A&R/producer type from more recent times (like Pharell or Max Martin or Eg White), plus an Idol alum? I dunno, just wild guessing here, trying to read the tea leaves. Heh.

  • H.A.

    Why am I not surprised Grandpa Nigel feels this way. Nigel should just admit he has no clue on how to bring in younger viewing audience to keep this show relevant. Instead he ran this show to the ground for years pandering to a certain core “older” demographic with his 60-70s variety style show. The judges panel who are all middle age doesn’t help. He couldn’t do his job which was to keep the show fresh and in the 21 century.

  • elliegrll

    I agree with the sentiment that either producers cast people who may be numerically young, but come across like they are 45, or the producers find a way to beat all of the youthfulness out of them. I think a lot of the contestants feel that they have to come off a certain way in order to get people to vote for them, which is how we get casts like this year’s, where everyone seemed to lack a personality.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I think that wholesomeness comes from the perception that’s what you have to do for a “family” show. No sex, no danger, and no attitudes. Parents have to feel comfortable letting their tweens watch, or so the reasoning goes.

  • elliegrll

    At the beginning the median age fell be two or four years, which is the first time that that has happened, but this cast and the way that they were presented were not going to hold the attention of too many people in any age group.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I agree, though I think if Idol was a stronger show it could have withstood the competition a lot better. What the new shows did (especially The Voice) was exploit Idol’s weaknesses, and they did it very well.

  • H.A.

    It’s not strange when you have a bunch of old men running a show looking for the next big star. Are the 80-00′s even on their radar.

  • elliegrll

    How do you know that it was a Jersey Shore audience? I doubt that a survey was done to see who the people were, or why they were tuning in. The thing that we don’t have to speculate about is that the viewers were younger. The problem is that the show was just not appealing. The early audition rounds weren’t boring, like they were last year, but there was no doubt that this was the same show that we’ve seen over the past few years.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    the producers find a way to beat all of the youthfulness out of them

    ^^^That. In every recent season, there have been multiple singers who get discussed as “bland,” “boring,” “no personality,” and “empty” from the edit he or she (usually she) is given by the show, only to turn out to be warm, funny, playful, and artistically creative in behind-the-scenes or post-show videos/photos that aren’t as widely distributed.

    The gals also are often styled in recent seasons as if they’re either in their mid-30s or planning to attend a prom that took place a decade or two ago. They’re in Los Angeles, for heaven’s sake! There MUST be stores with cute outfits somewhere in the area.

  • Larc

    Very, VERY nice! :)

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Heh. Maybe not. Nowhere was this more apparent than during “Year You Were Born” weeks, where contestants who were inevitably born during the late 80s and 90s almost never sang originals from that period, they were almost always remakes from the 60s and 70s that were relased their birth year, or songs that were AC hits from Celine Dion and the like. After the show we’d always found out they sang those songs because that was what was on the short list they were given. LOL. Oh, Nigel.

  • xboxmas

    I definitely think Scotty and Lauren were “regular teenagers” on the show and are off the show too. Lauren is a cheerleader at her high school, had a job, and did a bunch of extracurricular stuff. Her personality also wasn’t pageanty. Scotty was at every school football game, had a job, played baseball, and hung out with his friends.

    It’s people like Jessica, Allison, David, Jordin, and Diana who had the prior experience on different shows and were being groomed for this their whole lives. Music and performing is what they did and they probably all had those “fun” stage parents.

  • H.A.

    Being wholesome and humble makes me want to vomit. This is a TV show and I want to be entertained.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I think 90′s to present should be the focus. I’m 25 (1987) and Britney’s debut album was the first mainstream pop release me and my friends were crazy about. And Christina Aguilera. So that’s late 90′s.

  • elliegrll

    Exactly, what Nigel should have said is that they couldn’t figure out how to attract and keep younger viewers.

    There was an article about this a few weeks ago, the writers said that the AI producers don’t seem to realize how people watch tv now. He mentioned the lack of moments, which resulted in the lack of buzz. The producers were late in utilizing youtube and other social media sites, and still don’t act like they don’t know what to do with these tools.

  • xboxmas

    It all goes to hell in the live shows. Even Simon turns into a softie.

  • Face

    100% with you on that… and this is were I think TPTB must shoulder the major responsibility for the current predicament AI is in… they should’ve made more of an effort to keep AI fresh and appealing while they were still the only show on the block… by the time TV and XF came around it was too little too late…

  • standtotheright

    Allison Iraheta was more groomed than Scotty McCreery and Lauren Alaina? They’re all nice kids, but what now?

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Well since the demo is 18-49 I’m guessing they’d have to go back to at least to the 80s for broader appeal, but I agree a focus on music of the 80s and 90s as opposed to the current hyper focus on the 60s and 70s would be a big improvement.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Well, Scotty still had his cross and always appeared very clean cut. Lauren actually looked like a wild teenager at her audition, but then the show stylists beat all the fun out of her and put her in pageant dresses sometimes.

  • H.A.

    Which gives me hope this Swedish producer will find contestants that are talented, entertaining and makes good TV. They need to find contestants that will create the kind of buzz that will make people want to know what all the hoopla is about. The good kind of buzz not the Lazo kind of buzz. Why can’t they find a Lenny Kravitz, Prince type. You can’t tell me they don’t exist because I can take you to a few places where they are right there under your nose. Idol needs to hire people and go on a search for some of these contestants. I don’t care if you call them ringers or not but find them.

  • Face

    that’s the ‘problem’ with the format… esp that of Cowell having a dual role of being a judge… esp one that is really known for telling it like it is etc… and also running the label that is going to sign the winner…
    he has a vested interest in pimping the contestants he feels will do well in the real world as pop stars… and unfortunately they are not going to deliver praise worthy performances every time…
    so he ends up praising some sub-par performances from the acts he feels he can sell as pop stars… and criticising those acts he doesn’t see as pop stars… even though the later may have given a better performance than the former…

  • vamp111

    The ratings were already dropping when Simon was still on and they went up for Season 10 the first year he was off, so I don’t think so…

  • HappyDaisy_2

    Thanks for posting the link to David Cook’s Lyric Video. Yes, it’s very well done. I knew about the contest and wasn’t expecting the winner to be so good. The quality of the video is amazing. That fan is very talented. The video is a lot of fun!

  • No Thanks

    I’m not totally enamored of The Voice. But the two things they have over Idol is

    1) They clear a wider variety of and more current music
    2) Their band/musical director sounds a zillion times more current that Idol’s band.

    Oh, and the judges get along.

  • vamp111

    If that was true, those shows would be getting stellar ratings. None of them are. Its just singing show fatigue. Plain and simple. New songs won’t change anything, otherwise The X Factor and The Voice would be way more popular.

  • vamp111

    Its funny that people are acting as if Idol is the worst show of the 3 singing shows. Its not. The Voice and X Factor have their problems also.

  • elliegrll

    They should have embraced youtube faster than they did. What was the point of taking down performance videos, especially the ones that generated the most buzz. Or, shooting behind the scenes videos, but only having them available on the official website.

    They should have addressed the lack of diversity among the cast, especially in terms of personalities, race, and musical identity.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Sure, but there’s not articles about those shows today. LOL

  • Mateja Praznik

    With 3 similar singing talent shows, you can’t expect any of them to have huge ratings. But in the past the viewers had only one choice if they wanted to watch a show like that. Now they have three. Some prefer Idol, some The Voice, some X Factor. Some watch more than one show.

  • No Thanks

    Idol can still be a “family show” and be more current. I’d venture to say a lot of the parents watching the show were young and single during the 80s and 90s and probably enjoy current music too!

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    No not really, they only needed to pull viewers who were dissatisfied. Not everyone would be, but if they could pull enough of the ones who were they could hurt Idol.

  • xboxmas

    Allison was on that Telemundo show for the quinceanera. She also went to the Los Angeles Music and Art School for voice lessons and even had an album out as a little girl. She is one of those that had been preparing since she was little.

  • H.A.

    The Voice is who the media is talking about and who all the stars are flocking to perform on now. Idol is no longer the “it” show. It has gotten old and stale just like the viewers. When you got the late night talk shows mocking you, you know your time is up.

  • EB

    X Factor in and of itself IS one massive problem, and that’s why I love/hate it. :P

    The Voice is the least flawed, IMO. It has suffered due to the voters this season, and the show’s annoying correspondent Christina M., but otherwise I think it’s fine. The coaches choose bad songs and don’t give criticism, but that isn’t so different from any other singing show lately, and I at least like their personalities so that helps.

    Overall I still find it fun to watch and that’s what sets it apart.

    Idol used to be so great and was so average last season, and just plain bad at times… that’s what makes it hurt more. Knowing what a fun show it once was and how far it has fallen.

  • xboxmas

    Scotty was clean cut just like any other typical high school boy. It’s actually abnormal to have the “emo” or “goth” look. The cross is typical of many males in the South. I would say that he was the closest thing to an average American teenager that we can get on the show.

    Deandre is somebody else that I forgot to mention that isn’t exactly “pageanty” looking.

  • vamp111

    who all the stars are flocking to perform on now.

    Not necessarily. Idol had Jessie J, The Band Perry, Aretha, Emile Sande, Alicia Keys, will.i.am, Bon Jovi, Psy, Harry Connick Jr, and One Republic this last season. Who has the Voice had that is so “huge” besides Cher for the finale?

    When you got the late night talk shows mocking you, you know your time is up.

    Source/link?

  • vamp111

    The Voice is the least flawed, IMO. It has suffered due to the voters
    this season, and the show’s annoying correspondent Christina M., but
    otherwise I think it’s fine. The coaches choose bad songs and don’t give
    criticism, but that isn’t so different from any other singing show
    lately, and I at least like their personalities so that helps.

    Its format is also flawed with it being more of a competition between the judges instead of the contestants. Also, the “Knockout rounds” defeat the purpose of the revamped Battle Rounds. Carson is also boring.

    Knowing what a fun show it once was and how far it has fallen.

    Seasons 10 and 11 weren’t that long ago ;)

  • standtotheright

    And she came off like a brash, spazzy teenager, not a pageant-bot. The others presented as more straitlaced and “wholesome” (as icky as that comparator is to me) than her. That’s arguably why she went out fourth.

  • vamp111

    What makes everybody so sure that the song list is the reason for the decline?

  • standtotheright

    Its format is also flawed with it being more of a competition between the judges instead of the contestants. Also, the “Knockout rounds” defeat the purpose of the revamped Battle Rounds. Carson is also boring.

    This. I think the format is the *fundamental* flaw of The Voice. After teh churr, no1curr.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Because we are all asstalking? This is what we do, discuss stuff. LOL

  • vamp111

    There’s no hard evidence that that is the reason. Its just an old show. Plain and simple. And there is singing show fatigue. A “better” song list won’t change the ratings and even if they did it earlier, it probably wouldn’t have.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Okay. Your opinion is noted. :)

  • vamp111

    Yeah I think Scotty is the most “normal” teenager that has been on the show. He even said in his interview about what makes him different and he said he is different because he is normal.

  • justmefornow

    Another chance to slay the NA:

    Valli Hilaire
    ?@vallih
    PHOTO: American Idol star James Durbin to Perform National Anthem at Toyota/Save Mart 350 http://tmblr.co/Z5LxEynBSA5r #NASCAR

  • standtotheright

    Yes, it’s an old show with more competition. And if the ratings had declined by 10 or even 15 percent every year, nobody would be searching for further explanations. But the fact that the ratings fell further in some recent seasons, and particularly in this one where several songs were 3+ repeats of prior performances, it’s a reasonable story to tell.

  • elliegrll

    They need to find contestants that will create the kind of buzz that will make people want to know what all the hoopla is about. The good kind of buzz not the Lazo kind of buzz.

    This is what I never understood about the producers. They created a show that is based on the positive of people voting for their favorite, instead of voting against someone, but when it comes to getting buzz they always go negative. If it’s not focusing on contestants like Lazaro or Zoanetta, it’s bringing attention to cat fights or contestants who have gotten into legal trouble.

    I never understood why they didn’t try to build up buzz among positive things, like building up the underdog storylines, and making sure that people knew when an actual underdog worked hard to win. Or focus on contestants who are quirky AND talented, instead of just quirky.

  • macfae

    While the home town visits seemed to have pumped up the other performers, Amber said she cried all week – I would think that might have played into part of her problem. . But even in the best voice, I don’t know that she could have pulled off that monster of a song. But she had enough in her to leave on a really high note with “Sad” She’s talented and strong. I hope good things are ahead for her.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Oh, it’s not that I think it’s the ONLY reason for the decline. But logically… you’re asking an 18-49 demographic to spend the early voting rounds listening to covers of music that’s from their parents’ generation (if they’re 49) or their grandparents’ generation (if they’re 18). This is like asking the 60-something “core” viewers to spend 3-4 weeks exclusively on music from the 1920s and 1930s.

    There’s some great music in the 1920s and 1930s — you get the Carter Family, you get early recordings of blues and jazz, you get a proto-form of socially conscious folk-rock — but does the generation that embraced The Beatles want to spend a month there? Worse yet, a month that’s actually limited to “safe” picks that were very, very mainstream?

    Then run it that way and repeat the same handful of songs every season…

  • xboxmas

    Yeah but Allison isn’t what you would call an average teenager. I don’t know many high schoolers like that. Most of the high schoolers I meet are more like Lauren and Scotty.

  • vamp111

    The seasons fell harder this year because of all the new singing shows popping up. The X Factor had a huge drop for Season 2 also.

  • H.A.

    Jessie J, The Band Perry, Aretha, Emile Sande, Alicia Keys, will.i.am, Bon Jovi, Psy, Harry Connick Jr, and One Republic this last season.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    Source/link?

    Watch the late night talk shows.

  • standtotheright

    We aren’t talking about whether or not they look like “average” teenagers (although I know plenty who buy bright hair dye). We’re talking about whether or not the younger contestants believe that they have to present themselves as family-friendly and wholesome to appeal to voters. McCreery and Alaina did that more than Iraheta did. I maintain that McCreery earned perhaps the greatest share of “nice young [man]” votes in the show’s history.

  • macfae

    Well, good for her. I must not have been paying attention, I thought RaeLynn had rather faded out of sight. She showed a lot of personality on The Voice ( if often annoyingly so ) but she seemed driven even if not as talented as other country singers on the show…

  • vamp111

    Watch the late night talk shows.

    LOL I do, and I have never seen that. Maybe they were talking about the judges cat fight or something, but I never see anything else mocking them.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    And what “stars” have been performing on The Voice that are “so much better?” You said stars never go on Idol anymore and only the Voice, and I listed them.

  • H.A.

    I don’t know what part of the country your from but Allison is very much an average teenager. I don’t know too many Lauren and Scotty’s that went to my High School but than again we had a lot of flavor in my school.

  • EB

    Maybe it is to my benefit then that I don’t pay much attention to the knockout and battle rounds. :P I like the initial auditions and then the live rounds… kinda ignore the rest. So I will cede to that point! Those are sort of lame.

    Carson is a’ight… segues the performances fine and has moments of amusing banter with the coaches.

    I guess you’re right about Idol! ;) S12 still made quite a dent in the show though, I believe.

  • standtotheright

    This is the Voice’s 3rd season and X-Factor’s 2nd. The major effect on AI’s ratings would have shown up before this season, and arguably X Factor’s decline would have indicated that AI’s ratings would hold steadier since fewer people found XF to be a valid alternative.

  • bridgette12

    All three shows has problems that need to be fixed. But at this point in time, Idol is in the worst shape because of the overwhelming number of problems it has.

  • H.A.

    Yes, it’s the “average” teenager comment that raised my brows. Unless your from a community that lacks diversity than Scotty and Lauren would be your average teenager which would make you out of touch with the real world.

  • vamp111

    Not every young person only likes modern music. I know a lot of people in their 20s and in high school who love the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Queen, Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Wonder, Elton John, etc.

  • H.A.

    But they’re not buying that type of music. The point is for the Idols to appeal to an audience that will buy their music not cater to the nostalgic of their parents and grandparents.

  • Mahalo2

    “Oh please, let there be some Opry recorded video of Kree ! YouTube is ok in the meantime but dying for some good quality.”

    I saw a tweet yesterday from the Opry, in reply to a fan’s request. It said they planned to have video Kree’s Opry performance up soon. :)

  • xboxmas

    There were a few girls from high school who looked and dressed like Allison, but they were in the extreme minority.

  • Incipit

    “The quality of the video is amazing. That fan is very talented. The video is a lot of fun!”

    Yes to all three statements, HappyDaisey_2… I could not narrow the entrants down smaller than a Top 5 from the 38 entries (kudos to those talented people) – and the winner and two Honorable Mentions were in my top 5, so I was glad I didn’t have to chose from those to pick a winner – they were all too good.

    But I’m lovin’ the video DC named – visually polished, with some very creative imagery that still incorporates a few little nods to the fandom….and just plain fun to watch – like the song. Excellent work!

  • vamp111

    Some of them are. A lot think that the mainstream pop is garbage and the only “modern” music they buy today is indie/alternative rock, folk, or country. Its mostly the people under 15 who are buying the One Direction or Demi Lovato or Bieber stuff.

  • macfae

    thank you ! I’ll be watching for it. I really love that girl : )

  • vamp111

    I think its an exaggeration that newer songs are never used on the show. There have been a lot of newer songs on the show this year.

  • vamp111

    Candice only wore a dress once. She said she isn’t a dress person.

  • vamp111

    Not with all of them. There have been a lot of teenagers on the show who still acted their age(and sometimes younger). Paris, Kellie, Sanjaya, Jordin, Allison, Scotty, Lauren, Skylar, Angie, etc.

  • Incipit

    “Recent moves have included the departure of longtime Fox reality kingpin Mike Darnell (with denials “Idol” in any way precipitated the
    decision), the appointment of David Hill to oversee Fox’s music
    competitions and the departure of “Idol’s” longtime producers.”

    So, let me get this straight. David Hill is the new Darnell at FOX, and Pers Blanken is the new Nigel at Idol – and I guess nobody needs a new Warwick. Whatever they are gonna do with the shape of Idol this season – auditions start in a few weeks, so the had better decide what that looks like, and shoot lots of B Roll!

    Any one know any thing about David Hill?

  • vamp111

    Lauren wore jeans a lot on the show and her personality still came through.

  • H.A.

    That’s not true. Take a look at who is topping the charts. The majority of the people who are buying those acts you mentioned are the one ones who already had them in vinyl, cassette tapes etc..and are updating to keep up with the latest modern technology ex: ipods etc..

  • fuzzywuzzy
  • H.A.

    That statement from Scotty only confirms what I’ve been saying. If he feels different because he’s “normal” than does that make him the average teenager? What would make all the other teenagers? Not normal?

  • No Thanks

    One more thing. I like that they show the sales on iTunes AND count them as votes.

  • Incipit

    Hey, thanks, fuzzywuzzy. These two people have key decisions on the direction and ‘vibe’ of this show in 2013 and 2014 – and for me – I wanna see what that becomes before I write off yet another season.

    Off to follow the link. *wink*

  • elliegrll

    And the problem has been that they are usually presented in the same old way. It made no sense to give Candice a 1970′s slow rock arrangement for the Drake cover that she did.

    The other problem is that the songs are usually not arranged in a way that highlights the contestants’ strengths.

  • elliegrll

    The Voice flaw is that not enough focus is on the contestants, which is why the ratings have fallen each season as the show winds down. Of course ratings are going to fluctuate during a season, but The Voices’ fluctuations point to there being a problem.

  • vamp111

    Something Idol has over the Voice:

    1) Successful winners/contestants.

  • vamp111

    He meant what makes him different from other idol contestants.

  • elliegrll

    AI may be in the worst shape, because it is the one that created the mold, and the other two have no shot at duplicating what AI did, but AI is still in better shape than the XF, which just looks like it’s copying AI. There’s very little chance that the XF can be seen as anything other than a worse version of AI, or that Simon will be able to get people to take the show seriously. I also doubt that Fox cares anymore. It seems like they are more concerned with fixing AI, and no longer see the XF as the show that will take over once AI is gone.

  • elliegrll

    I think AI received more press this year than the Voice. Most of the press that The Voice seems to get is centered around AI.

    I did see an article today about The Voices falling ratings.

  • Montavilla

    Some of the auditions were pretty exciting this year. People started buzzing a little in the first week when Kez Ban showed up, plus Lazaro and his story. He wasn’t hated back then. There were plenty of exciting auditions, and the “bad” ones were more colorful than bad.

    I think you’re right, standtotheright, that the problem started in Hollywood with the boy/girl segregation and the producer-chosen group round. That made Hollywood Week a lot duller than usual. Maybe they thought girls have a harder time standing out in mixed-gender crowds? (I dunno…)

    But it bring some unnecessary audience attention to the boy/girl divide. If they hadn’t done that presented the same Top 20, the manipulation wouldn’t have been so obvious.

  • H.A.

    The majority of the Idol winners/contestants are pretty normal to me. Doesn’t Idol only vote for wholesome, humble winners who they like. Except for Fantasia they are all cookie cutters.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    In the finals of S12, newer songs did not appear until late, because TPTB were terrified that one of the cannon-fodder guys would pull a Blake Lewis and advance on weak vocals but clever song choice. (Lewis didn’t beatbox until Top 6 in S6 — but he chose very “young” songs whenever possible, as did Chris “nasal is a style of singing” Richardson in the same season.)

    We weren’t allowed into the late 1980s/early 1990s until Top 5, saw genuinely new songs only in the duets in Top 4 Rd 1, and finally got actual current songs in Top 4 Rd 2.

    Getting there was a long slog through Idol coronation songs (top 10) and four weeks of my parents’ music (grandparents’ music for the 18-24 set)… I was pretty close to giving up at Burt Bacharach week and wouldn’t have blamed anybody who did. My grandmother would have mocked Burt Bacharach as unhip (she was into Motown and would have been snarky about how the Idol band handled that week, too).

  • No Thanks

    They are RARELY used. In large part due to the moldy oldie themes Nigel kept using – Elvis week, Beatles week, Motown week, Burt Bacharach week…and by severely limiting the song choices every week to usually the oldest most overused songs.

  • Tinawina

    I wouldn’t use the phrase “real world” because what you consider the “real world” is relative to your experiences… but I do agree that whether you find Scotty and Lauren the most “normal” depends on who you are and who you grew up around. Where I grew up, Allison is a lot more normal than they were. Hell, Naima was typical in my world too. LOL. But I think that’s what Idol lost over the years. It used to be everyone could find their own girl/boy next door according to their own perspective every year, but somewhere along the line that started happening less consistently. I mean, I don’t know nearly as many sexually ambiguous gospel singing black males in proportion to all the others as Idol seems to find. LOL.

  • No Thanks

    Bottom line, Nigel and company were extremely stubborn, resistant to change and either unable or unwilling to keep up with the drastic changes in the way the public watches/consumes television and entertainment.

    Twelve years ago they had the perfect formula, but things have changed SO much, SO quickly since then and Idol just dragged their feet dealing with it. Kind of like how the record companies were blindsided with digital music and were slow to accept and adapt to it.

  • Face

    nice analogy

  • Tinawina

    LOL. Billy Joel Week, Carole King Week, Classic Rock Week, Elton John Week… I mean was there anyone from the 60s and 70 not covered? Even when they do British Invasion Week it would mostly be 60s and 70s. I mean at least mix it up.. swap out Motown for Stax or something… if you have to stick to an era. Oh well, I guess we’ll see if the new guys have it in them.

  • bridgette12

    When your show is in bad shape and the only way you can look good is by comparing it to another bad show, that’s not a good thing. At the point, no matter how many stars Idol has created, the public and media know, that Idol is down and out. All the stars Idol has created in the past don’t help this show now, the show has to be completely overhauled and maybe then it will regain it’s #1 status. As for XF, I have never watched the show and really don’t care. Didn’t watch Idol this year and don’t intend to next year unless they make the necessary changes to make it entertaining again.

  • Face

    LOL at no Christina Milian…

    IMO Seacrest peaked about 3 or 4 seasons ago (and even then he was no Dermot)… and worse was literally phoning it in this year… so not sure if he’s a real draw anymore…

    & while I think we all agree that AI can boast about successful alums… that doesn’t really help make it an interesting and entertaining weekly television show… which is at this stage what the new PTB at AI needs to really focus on….

  • H.A.

    The Voice ratings are falling because it’s starting to turn into The Voice Country. Maybe too many Idol defectors jumped on board. If The Voice isn’t careful and ends up in the same rut as Idol by being too predictable they will also find themselves in the same boat. They can start with getting rid of Blake unless he starts choosing a more diverse group of contestants.

  • xboxmas

    I’m sure you watched this year, otherwise how would you know of the “problems” this year? I have also seen you comment on the contestants this year and how “bad” the judges were. Maybe you meant you quit watching durin the season?

    I wouldn’t call idol out either. It’s down, but not out. As far as the ratings, The Voice is getting similar ratings to what idol got this season. Both in ratings dumpster right now.

  • bridgette12

    No I didn’t watch the show, all I had to do was look at the embarrassing videos. Second, the judges were bad, you don’t have to watch the show to know that because the media carried it and the talk shows were talking about it and laughing at the circus. Also there plenty of people on a lot of blogs who were amazed at the asinine behavior of these people.
    As for which show is worse, Idol is by a mile. The Voice has never been the juggernaut Idol once was and now Idol is just in turmoil.

  • jdanton2

    Candice is performing at the same event as Angie tonight.
    “Tana Miller ?@tanamiller 5h
    Tonight @angiemiller and @CandiceGlover will be the entertainment for the Crystal+Lucy Awards!!! http://www.wif.org/events/crystal-lucy-awards
    Retweeted by Candice Glover
    8:11 AM – 12 Jun 13″

  • elliegrll

    Your explanation would make sense, if the Voice’s ratings didn’t fall every year after the blind auditions are over.

  • vamp111

    What kind of changes? I don’t get it.

    Contemporary songs? Check
    New judges? Check
    Different formats in the semi-finals? Check
    Different contestants? Check. Over the last few years Metal, Reggae, jazz, and folk have been represented.

  • No Thanks

    Internet, Youtube, twitter, Facebook, Tumblr etc… “Appointment television” is no longer required. You can DVR it and watch it later. Or just watch clips on youtube. “Buzz” is insant on things like twitter, facebook and tumblr. If there is no buzz, why tune in? I know living on the west coast, I check online first before tuning if. If it sounds boring, I’ll go watch the Big Bang Theory or Modern Family instead.

    All of that has contributed to the overall ratings plunge for television. And now Idol has direct competition from shows like The Voice. The Voice engaged social media from day 1. They sold the songs digitally from day 1. They allowed the music to chart and reported the sales numbers from day 1.

    Also, after 12 years, the viewing public has figured out Nigel and companies playbook and can predict every movie before it happens. There’s no suspense anymore. It’s like trying to watch a magic show while knowing exactly how the trick is done. Or listening to the same old story over and over again even though you know EXACTLY how it’s going to end.

    That’s why they need to change how they do things. Doesn’t have to be everything but they need to find a way to engage the public more, faster AND find new ways to surprise them.

  • No Thanks

    “Contemporary songs? Check”

    Rarely used and when used, arranged in the most boring, old fashioned way possible

    “New judges? Check”

    Who either didn’t click or downright hated each other which created a negative atmosphere for the contestants and the viewers.

    “Different formats in the semi-finals? Check”

    And more obvious attempts to control the results. They took a lot of power away from the voters and they voters didn’t like it.

    “Different contestants? Check. Over the last few years Metal, Reggae, jazz, and folk have been represented”.

    Yet the same old archetypes still dominated and it was even worse this year.

  • xboxmas

    Hmm I have never seen someone talk so much about a season they supposedly didnt watch, but that’s just me.

    This makes me think you did watch otherwise:

    Tonight was the first time we actually saw some real emotion from Angie

    how would somebody know if they didnt watch?

    Keith is nice, but so boring, he doesn’t bring anything new to the table.

    Also, how would you know how much “better and versatile” Judith is compared to Candice if you didn’t watch? Did you watch all her performances or something?

  • vamp111

    Same old archetypes dominating? I didn’t see a WGWG in the top 5 this year…And Candice was the first black woman to dominate since Jordin.

  • vamp111

    I don’t really see how The Voice is any more entertaining during the lives…even I am over the blind auditions.

  • elliegrll

    AI looks good in comparison to almost every show on the air. In some ways that goes for the XF too. Both shows are still in the top 25 every week, every episode of AI, with the exception of 1, was in the top 10 this season.

    That being said, you are the one who said that AI was doing worse than both the XF and The Voice, but the facts don’t prove that to be true, when comparing AI to the XF.

  • elliegrll

    We are going to ignore that the ratings for The Voice is pretty similar to the ratings for AI. Yet, AI is in turmoil.

  • No Thanks

    A WGWG was the only thing missing this year. We had the down home country girls, old fashioned crooners, gospel belters, pageant princesses, etc…

  • vamp111

    Well what else are they supposed to fill it with? The only thing missing is Hip Hop artists lol. Its like that on all the shows.

  • vamp111

    Well don’t ask me, ask him lol.

  • Face

    I’m not trying to draw any comparisons…
    just commenting that some of the AI ‘positives’ you listed… (IMO) don’t actually help it make an entertaining weekly tv show…
    never said TV has it all sorted either… :)

  • vamp111

    Also, JLo, Steven, and Randy didn’t hate each other.

  • No Thanks

    There are far more musical genres and sub-genres and other types of performers out there. Electronica, neo-soul, punk, metal, blue-grass, reggae, salsa etc…. TONS of stuff that almost never gets represented. Or if it does, it’s rare and isn’t supported enough by the show because of the severe song choice limitations.

    How many times did Durbin complain about not getting a lot of his heavy metal choices cleared? Do you think they cleared reggae songs for Naima? How many hip hop songs options were there?

  • Larc

    As I understand it, Pers is the new Nigel and Warwick combined.

  • No Thanks

    I’m talking about this year. Nicki and Mariah hated each other. And in past years judges like Ellen and Kara DiGuardi never quite clicked. And let’s face it, Steven Tyler was practically taking naps in the middle of the live shows before his reign ended.

  • bridgette12

    It’s 2013, they have an invention called video.

  • Larc

    Slay as in kill or slay as in cold-blooded murder? ;)

  • bridgette12

    If The Voice ignores their problems like Idol did, then they will be in the same shape as Idol.

  • vamp111

    Metal? James. Reggae? Naima and Deandre. Bluegrass? That hasn’t been on The Voice or X Factor either…Punk? Colton. There hasn’t been salsa, but there has been Latin with Karen and Devin. Naima was also considered Neo-soul.

  • vamp111

    They kinda are in the same shape as idol since they are getting similar ratings.

  • bridgette12

    Well, the facts I go by is the judges are being replaced, the producers were fired, the tour is not selling, the Season 12 contestants are easily forgettable and the ratings stink for Idol.

  • No Thanks

    Colton is NOT punk. LOL! Hair styled like a chicken didn’t make him punk. He’s Christian rock. And like I said, did the producers support those genres by clearing enough songs like that for artists like James, Naima or Deandre.

  • bridgette12

    I would agree if the other shows were replacing all their judges and producers also.

  • bridgette12

    No, but people hated them.

  • vamp111

    And like I said, did the producers support those genres

    Well James had Judas Priest, Sammy Hagar, Muse, and 30 seconds to Mars, which are all considered metal or hard rock. Naima didn’t sing any reggae artists, but she still sang them in reggae style. Deandre had Eric Benet, who is considered neo-soul. I also don’t think Naima or Deandre lasted long enough to sing some true reggae artists.

  • vamp111

    Only those in the bubble, most of the casuals actually liked them. My mom and aunts loved Steven Tyler.

  • kt194

    I think you are on to something there although I don’t think the main reason is because AI is old and TV is new and fresh.

    AI, XF and TV do at first look similar but they are actually quite different shows and people that like singing competitions will choose the show they like the best.

    I don’t think any of the three shows will get the ratings that AI got when it was on the top. Part of the reason AI got those ratings was because it had no competition. That competition is there now and that is the reason the ratings have dropped.

    Can AI the get the old ratings back? I doubt it but you never know.

  • vamp111

    Well, the facts I go by is the judges are being replaced, the producers
    were fired, the tour is not selling, the Season 12 contestants are
    easily forgettable and the ratings stink for Idol.

    The tour for The Voice couldn’t sell their first season, so they never had one again. I’m sure this season would be no different. The ratings stink for The Voice right now also. The contestants from The Voice this season are also pretty forgettable, I am hearing zero buzz for any of them.

  • vamp111

    The Voice has never been the juggernaut Idol once was and now Idol is just in turmoil.

    No, but The Voice also had some auditions go into the 5′s for ratings, now it is all the way down into the 2s.

  • vamp111

    Well Usher and Shakira are being replaced. And Keith may still return.

  • bridgette12

    Their ratings are down too.

  • xboxmas

    Watching videos is pretty much the same thing as watching the show except the extra filler.

  • vamp111

    Exactly. The Voice isn’t doing so hot this season either.

  • bridgette12

    Everyone knew ahead of time that Usher and Shakira were coming in to replace Cee-Lo and Christina for a season.
    As for Keith, he may stay if they aren’t willing to pay another country star more money.

  • kt194

    AI has fired almost everybody exept Ryan. How does it help AI that TV could not sell on their tour?

  • bridgette12

    True, but there are better things to watch on tv than Idol, like the NBA and the Atlanta Braves. A lot more entertaining.

  • bridgette12

    Except for one thing, it’s still an entertaining show and their contestants are actually selling downloads on ITunes.

  • No Thanks

    Oooh! Deadre got ONE song. The closest thing Naimi got to reggae was Stevie Wonder and Rihanna. And James fought tooth and nail for those songs and STILL said the producers refused to clear a lot of his choices.

    Face it, the shows format is mainly set up to support old fashioned forms of music and the most common genres with little variation. There are more variations of country, R&B, Pop and Rock than has EVER been demonstrated on the show. And we usually get the most watered down, old fashioned versions of each of them.

  • vamp111

    Entertaining is subjective. There are many that find it boring at the moment, with the mostly country contestants and not a lot of interesting contestants this year. There are others who found Idol entertaining this season. What is entertaining is more of an opinion, not a fact.

    The downloads count as votes, so more people are inclined to buy, and Idol never has released their iTunes rankings during the season. I’m sure if iTunes downloads for idol counted at votes, they would be high also. That is irrelevant anyway, because the Voice contestants always bomb after the show. Idol contestants actually sell something called Gold and Platinum after the show.

  • bridgette12

    Thank goodness Idol didn’t bring him back. Steven and JLo were a waste of money.

  • bridgette12

    Your right, what people consider entertaining is subjective and everyone has a right to their opinion.

  • vamp111

    Every week Naima made it reggae. Remember Elton John week? Deandre also used his falsetto every week which was an “archetype” that was never filled.

    I remember Pia getting a dance club style remix for Where Do Broken Hearts Go and Stefano getting a club remix for Lately, and people complained that it was too cheesy. Naima also rapped in her Rihanna song.

    And its not just idol that leaves off these variations of genres. The Voice and X Factor do it too. Has there ever been a folk rocker on X Factor? Or even a jazz contestant? Or bluesy rock? Or neo-soul? Its mostly just hip-hop, soul, gospel, pop, and HAC.

  • taylor

    Exactly, and that stubbornness from Nigel and Co. is what led to lower and lower ratings from the targeted demo. Nigel could push his stubborn agenda and outdated ideas, when AI was the only valid option, but now that The Voice has come along in the last couple of years, a change had to happen. What worked for Nigel and Co. 5-12 years ago simply wasn’t going to work anymore. Not only were viewers growing tired of Idol, they have other singing contests that are options now.

    Smart business people stay ahead of the changing times. They make adjustments before things are completely broken. It’s a shame it took sinking this low for Idol to realize that Nigel wasn’t the type to forecast, plan ahead, and accept changing times. It is WAY past time for a change!

  • bridgette12

    Nigel got what he deserved, he had too much power and got carried away with all of his manipulations. He wanted to control everything and everybody on that show and eventually the show lost it spark and entertainment value. All you get now is fighting judges and boring contestants.

  • taylor

    It still beat Idol. The Voice’s ratings were higher than both Idol and XF.

  • taylor

    No, they aren’t. The Voice is the top reality show in the targeted demo.

  • vamp111

    Stubbornness isn’t what led to the ratings drop. The fact that it is an old show is what happened. Shows never stay on top forever, and it was bound to go down some day. Other shows like Cheers, Roseanne, The Cosby Show, CSI, ER, Law and Order, and Friends all hit a high peak in ratings before going down, simply because they were old. Its not rocket science. Idol has been dropping since Season 6.

  • annie12120

    I don’t think Idol is going to be able to pull off a Concert Tour this year…there is just so little interest in this Top 10. It will be interesting to see how many dates actually get played and the attendance

  • vamp111

    Yeah, but its not the top show overall. We could say Idol isn’t in trouble just because it is the top show for Fox.

  • taylor

    …is a part of what led to lower and lower ratings from the targeted demo

    …Not only were viewers growing tired of Idol, they have other singing contests that are options now

  • lovetheusa1776

    Think that comes with the territory.

  • taylor

    The Voice improved on its position in the top 10 shows in the past year. Both the performance show and the results show went UP the chart. Idol lost ground. It went DOWN the top 10 chart.
    This is comparing apples to apples. The Voice beat Idol in the demo/season ratings.

  • vamp111

    Only the season isn’t over yet.

  • justmefornow

    I guess that’s a matter of opinion…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaZhW0x9yhg

  • Montavilla

    It was weird all those prom dresses Lauren wore. It was like she was on Quinceanera, instead of Allison. :)

    I don’t mind the dresses nearly as much as the hooker heels everyone had to wear in Season 11.

  • justmefornow

    But he didn’t get Dio or Skid Row, which btw, TPTB, but I believe now it was mostly Jimmy, lied about getting clearance from Sebastian Bach who later told James he was never even contacted.

  • Montavilla

    I don’t know about that. I think the point of it is to take unknown singers, give them opportunities to wow the audience with kick awesome performances, while challenging them to rise to a news level by tackling genres outside their comfort zone. The best moments come when the Idols do stuff they didn’t even know they could.

  • No Thanks

    Yes the show is old and they’re never going to return to their previous juggernaut status. But that doesn’t mean that the ratings plunging as much as they did was inevitable. They got their asses kicked ratings wise (in the demographic that matters most) by The Voice pretty quickly. If Idol was still the “gold standard” it’s supposed to be, that shouldn’t have happened.

    Notice that Idol put up with the ratings decline for several years now because even with the drop, they were still on top. The SECOND the show lost it’s ratings dominance heads started rolling.

  • vamp111

    My family still sits down and watches TV together.

  • vamp111

    The ratings had an even bigger drop for the Season 11 premiere, so it did show up before this season.

  • vamp111

    IMO, you can probably ask any High School student today, and they would say more students are like Scotty/Lauren as opposed to Allison.

  • taylor

    The 2012-2013 television season is over. Summer ratings do not count in the season ratings. The networks set the dates of the yearly viewing season, and it runs from the fall to the period of May sweeps.
    These are the dates that the networks and the advertisers go by.

  • taylor

    Usher and Shakira signed on to be on for one season only, to give Christina and Cee Lo time that they wanted off. Usher and Shakira will be returning next spring. No one is being replaced on The Voice, they are taking time off.

  • vamp111

    I have noticed that most of the best “Moments” that have been on idol have been the *get ready* OLDER songs!

    Summertime: 1935
    Stuff Like That There: 1945
    Billie Jean: 1983
    Alone: 1987
    Bridge Over Troubled Water: 1970
    My Funny Valentine: 1937
    House Of The Rising Sun(The Doors version): 1964
    Ain’t No Sunshine: 1971
    Over The Rainbow: 1939
    I(Who Have Nothing): 1963
    Lovesong: 1989
    Imagine: 1971
    A House Is Not A Home:1964
    Natural Woman: 1967

  • Lexie O’Neill

    I don’t actually think being wholesome and humble and being entertained are mutually exclusive. In fact, I am more entertained if I’m not being insulted, upset, disgusted, etc.

  • No Thanks

    You’re just listing YOUR favorite moments.

  • vamp111

    The Voice barely beat them in the demo, and they keep dropping every week(its results show hit the 2s last night), so its not like the Voice is doing any better. It will be interesting to see what the averages are. Too many singing shows is a big factor in the ratings drop the last few seasons. If the X Factor and The Voice weren’t around, Seasons 11 and 12 likely would have seen the normal year to year drop.

  • vamp111

    No, they are actually considered by the fans and media alike as some of Idol’s best moments. Also, WNTS has them all very high. Believe me, I’m not the only one LOL. A lot of these had the media talking the next day.

  • vamp111

    The Voice judges are no better. They are basically Jlo/Steven part 2.

  • taylor

    The Voice didn’t barely beat Idol, they beat them 5.1 to 4.6 for the 2012-2013 TV viewing season. The average also included a full season of The Voice, from the fall of 2012. The 2012-2013 season is over. The Voice did do better in the demo ratings than Idol.

  • vamp111

    The Voice did do better in the demo ratings than Idol.

    Their season ends next week. It will be closer then, since they keep dropping every week.

  • vamp111

    Oh yeah? What themes?

  • taylor

    This may be your special definition of what constitutes the television viewing season, but the entire rating system, including all the major networks and advertisers that shell out millions of dollars, disagrees with you.

    The Voice’s season for ratings ended when every other show did, at the end of May. The ratings season is over and The Voice had higher ratings in the main demo than Idol did.

  • vamp111

    Okay, but it doesn’t change the fact that the Voice’s season isn’t over yet.

  • justmefornow

    Skid Row’s “18 and Life” was for the Songs From the Year You Were Born week (they made him sing that lame Bon Jovi song instead, lol ) and Dio’s “Rainbow In The Dark” was going to be his choice to try for clearance for contestant’s choice for top 3 night, if he had made it that far.
    – But he made up for that all spring and summer 2012 on tour singing RITD as his only cover :)

  • Axxxel

    “Heartless”, Kanye West, 2008, sung by Kris Allen in top 3in season 8. I think that made him go into the top 2 instead of front runner Danny Gokey.

  • vamp111

    We just get the same tired old shit.

    The casuals(99.9% of viewers) don’t notice whether the songs have been done many times. They have a short-term memory. Its only us on the blogs and internet who care.

  • bridgette12

    At least they can sing live, that makes them a little bit better.

  • No Thanks

    Really? You’ve tapped in the subconscious of the entire Idol viewership and can read their thoughts?

    I hope Fox and the new producer are taking a much closer look at the shows problems. Obviously the same old song (literally and figuratively) ain’t working anymore.

  • No Thanks

    “Volcano” was the one and only time I enjoyed a P2 performance. And I agree that “Heartless” got Kris into the finals.

  • vamp111

    No, but I just know that most people don’t care as much as we superfans do. Just like how they don’t care about the whole “WGWG” winning thing. I have watched with a bunch of “casual” fans.

  • vamp111

    That is why I said most :)

  • No Thanks

    Well, I’m one of those long time viewers that Nigel claims to covet. I’ve been watching since season 1 and Idol hasn’t excited me since Season 8.

    And I didn’t need to be on the internet to notice that the song list is old, stale and far too limited. I didn’t need to be on the internet to have the producers playbook practically memorized by now.

    I’m BORED and I want CHANGES.

    And quite frankly, the way television viewership is changing, more and more viewers are watching TV online anyways. So Fox damn well better start learning how to please us internet dwellers.

  • H.A.

    Lambert to lead latest growth of Pittsburgh Pridefest

    Singer Adam Lambert seems well-suited to one of the main goals of the Pittsburgh Pride festival.

    “Adam Lambert is going to bring lots of youth, and we believe, families,” says Christine Bryan of the flamboyant tenor. “We’ve had lots of phone calls from people who are bringing their kids. We think that will open up a new opportunity for a diversity discussion to happen around Western Pennsylvania’s dinner tables.”

    For instance, she says, the performance of Patti LaBelle in 2011 was attractive to the African-American audience, while Melissa Etheridge in 2012 presented a female rock star. Lambert, she believes, will reach out to a younger audience.

    “We’re hoping to hit 100,000 this year, if Mother Nature cooperates,” she says.

    http://triblive.com/aande/moreaande/4144785-74/june-pride-lambert?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#axzz2W3fckUw9

  • Axxxel

    Well well, Adam is considered “family friendly” :-)

  • vamp111

    Idol hasn’t excited me since Season 8.

    That’s too bad, there have been a lot of great contestants since Season 8. And the sales and buzz agree with me on certain contestants(nobody from Season 8 sold platinum album in US).

  • No Thanks

    And this season the winner’s single’s sales are already in the toilet and 1/3 of the Idol concerts have been cancelled and the ones left are barely selling.

    If things were “fine” the bottom wouldn’t be falling out of the whole operation.

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/american-idols-live-tour-ticket-sales-collapse/

  • Tinawina

    Well, that’s pretty much why personal observations don’t trump data, because your casual fans don’t sounds anything like mine. Mine have been complaining about this for years. LOL. But none of us “know” what the casual fan thinks because we haven’t done a market survey. But since its fun to speculate it doesn’t matter!

  • vamp111

    And this season the winner’s single’s sales are already in the toilet
    and 1/3 of the Idol concerts have been cancelled and the ones left are
    barely selling.

    I’m not talking about just this season, I’m talking about seasons since Season 8. Seasons 10 and 11 had 2 successful winners compared to Season 8.

  • No Thanks

    Things have slowly getting worse and worse for a while. It just reached critical mass this year.

  • Axxxel

    I still think it is a clearance issue… They have to pay less to get songs from 1950-1980s.

  • vamp111

    Seasons 10 and 11 were good. Two successful winners and talented and diverse contestants. Meanwhile contestants from those seasons of the Voice and X Factor running against the show those seasons have all, well, flopped.

  • Tinawina

    Well since the complaint was not enough songs from the 80s and up you need to take those out of your list. Billie Jean, Alone, Lovesong go in a pile with Volcano, You Give Love A Bad Name, Mad World, Hemmorage, Hello, Heartless, etc. I think it’s more of an even spread as to what era the “moment” songs came from.

  • vamp111

    A lot of people were complaining that non-21st century songs have been used, so that is what I was basing it on.

  • No Thanks

    Yet the ratings are still plummeting. Fox clearly doesn’t care about past successes at the moment. The only thing on their mind is that they are no longer #1 and they’re PISSED. That’s why practically everyone is getting fired. Resting their laurels on past successes is what got them in the situation they are in today.

  • No Thanks

    Exactly. Older songs are probably a lot cheaper to clear. They need to spend less money on BIG NAME! judges and more money on clearing songs and hiring a better, more modern band.

  • Tinawina

    I think maybe 2 people said that specifically? In any case, it’s kind of beside the overall point because the complaint was that the overwhelming majority of the songs sang are old – as in old even for the demo old. Most songs sang are not “moments”. If I turn on the TV and watch a live episode of Idol, odds are way in my favor that most of the songs I hear will be pre-1979. That is the year someone 34 years old – that’s smack in the middle of the demo – was BORN. Someone 49, at the very top of the demo, was ten years old in 1979, so this isn’t even music that hits their peak music consuming years. The typical Idol songbook is from the era of a 18-49 year old’s PARENT’s heyday.

    I think perhaps those songs dominating rather than being part of a more even mix is possibly a problem, no?

  • vamp111

    Ray Chew is good.

  • vamp111

    I would be surprised if they were “shocked” and “pissed” that they were no longer number 1. Like I said before, it was never going to be number 1 forever.

    And like I said before, the biggest factors for the large ratings drops in Seasons 11 and 12 is the fact that there are too many singing shows now and Idol is no longer event television. It used to come on once a year. Now there is a singing show almost year round.

  • No Thanks

    Here is what I would like to see change on the show (in no particular order)

    1) Hire a better band and band director that can handle modern, updated arrangements. And maybe encourage more collaboration between the band and the contestants. The few contestants that did engage the band did so only because they were bold enough to take the initiative (see David Cook, Adam Lambert, Kris Allen, Blake Lewis)

    2) CLEAR MORE SONGS. Ask the contestants who make the semi-finals to give you list of what songs they would like to sing while on the show and CLEAR THEM.

    3) Give the contestants more song options to choose from every week. Too many past contestants have busted the producers on only giving them 20 – 30 songs to choose from each week. So that old refrain of “you had thousands of songs to choose from and you chose THAT!?” does NOT APPLY!

    4) If they MUST have theme weeks, kill all of the old, overdone ones and come up with newer more flexible themes.

    5) Let the iTunes sales chart.

    6) Let the iTunes sales count as votes. And, personally, I’d rather have sales weighted more than free phone votes. If you want a marketable winner, it will be the contestant that inspires people to BUY THEIR MUSIC.

    7) Stop trying to shove contestants into small, pre-conceived boxes. Give them room to express themselves and do everything you can to SUPPORT that expression instead of REPRESSING it.

    8) Producers should focus their energy on putting on a good show instead of manipulating the results.

    9) Let the judges give their REAL opinions instead of being the producers puppets.

  • No Thanks

    You’re deluding yourself if you think they don’t care about not being #1 anymore. That they don’t care that their juggernaut status is gone and that they’re barely competing against the others. They’re loosing money, that’s the whole point of network TV – MAKING MONEY.

  • vamp111

    They knew it was inevitable.

  • Reflects On Life

    Joshua Ledet just sent out a recruitment message on FB for Team National, some sort of pyramid sales scheme, ala Avon? He’s setting up his own “team”.

    http://bign.com/en/PWTemplates/TeamNational3.aspx?site=jledet

  • vamp111

    I personally don’t see the difference with the bands. I think Ray Chew does a good job. And Michael Orland would be a grave loss for the show. He has been there since day 1.

  • Axxxel

    If I am not mistaken, this time Adam Lambert will come with his whole band, and not just with his 2 dancers like in the previous Pride performance.

  • No Thanks

    I don’t like what Ray Chew has done. That last band leader was FAR better. And I’d keep Michael Orland, he’s more of a vocal coach than anything else.

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    Probably got hacked.

  • mchcat

    How does the Voice get newer songs?

  • vamp111

    Idol gets newer songs also. It just may not seem like it because they use the “older” themes a lot.

  • macfae

    Great new gig for Phillip !
    ” In just 50 days, Bud Light Music First’s summer-long celebration of music will culminate with “50/50/1,” a never-before-seen music event featuring one concert in every state on a single day. ”
    Phillip will be performing in Denver
    http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20130612-909741.html

  • lovetheusa1776

    Looks like good weather for Pittsburgh. Going to try to make it. Never miss a chance to see one of today’s finest live performers.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    There are over 200 comments in this post because of a couple of butthurt Idol fans arguing with….everyone.

    Seriously. CALM DOWN/

  • bridgette12

    Hope you get the opportunity, it sounds like it going to be really crowded with people of all ages there.

  • HKfan

    Scotty did not act or look his age, he looks and acts at least 10 years older..
    I have a son his age, and don’t know 1 lad that looks, acts or dresses like him….but then again I don’t come from the South of middle America!!!

  • elliegrll

    I think that people do care about the idea that everyone, regardless of race or sex, has the chance to win. The problem isn’t that the winners were WGWG, it’s that it seemed like they were shoe ins for the win from day one. That’s a problem when we are talking about a television show. Given how tv works, people are not going to watch something that is so predictable, and they aren’t going to feel a connection with the show, if they know that people of other races or sexes don’t stand a fair chance.

  • Montavilla

    Which is already a more sensible system than the way things have taken place on Idol. Judges should be able to come and go without it being perceived as a massive failure. AI does the best job of all the singing competitions (still) of making it about the contestants. This annual America’s Next Judge Superstar sideshow takes away from the main mission of the show.

    Maybe they should hire secret judges and make them wear paper bags on their heads during the show.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Could it be that the idols just need to step up and request more current songs and/or songs not on the approved list like so many previous idols have. You have to go into the show with a plan and work the plan. If they do their research they would know what the themes tend to be and can already have songs in mind to request that fit them or as we have seen skirt the lines of the theme.

  • HKfan

    I haven’t been excited since season 8 either, there have been contestants I’ve enjoyed since then like Haley Reinhart, Hollie Cavanough, and Janelle and Angie from this season, but excitement, and wanting to follow them, buy their music, nope not really.

  • vamp111

    He is mature in the sense that he is respectful and polite to others and that he is a gentleman. He also wears different clothes offstage, he said in a Q and A that you would never find him wearing the clothes he performs in as his everyday clothes. He is more of a sweats/t-shirt kinda guy-very casual. When he is around his friends, you can tell he is just a regular 19 year old guy. They keep him grounded lol.

  • HKfan

    Just because a 19 yo has spiked hair, tattoos and trousers falling down around his bum doesn’t make him less of a gentleman, and less respectful and polite to others.
    Don’t really get that about his performance clothes either, doesn’t he just wear jeans/trousers, a jumper or checked shirt to perform in?,

  • HKfan

    i’ve enjoyed reading this thread and seeing everyones opinions. Its been a pretty good discussion, lots of sensible comments, nobody seems too irate:).

  • Montavilla

    Um. No. Someone who is 49 would be ten years old in 1974. They’d be 15 years old in 1979.

  • Tinawina

    You posted as I was editing, methinks :)

  • Montavilla

    I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this “shortlist” problem grew bigger as the show actively sought younger contestants. In general, younger artists are less sure of their identities and less resourceful than those with more years and experience.

  • Montavilla

    1. I agree about the band. But if you listen to the exit interviews with the girls this year, you’ll learn that they did engage with the band and worked on the arrangements. Candice complained about a few mess-ups that happened between her vision and the performance, and Angie agreed that the arrangement she wanted for “Someone to Watch Over Me” didn’t come off as planned. So, this wasn’t a batch of passive singers.

    2. Candice mentioned that she had submitted songs very early on that she wanted to do. Unfortunately, the one she wanted most was a Christine Aguilera song and it didn’t clear until Top 3 week — when the songs were dictated by Fuller, Jimmy, and the Judges. The moral I draw is that song clearance isn’t just a matter of money or will; sometimes it just takes time. (I also heard a story that Adam wanted to sing “Crying” for the semi-finals, but it didn’t clear until Top 3 week.)

    3. I don’t know that that’s a matter of song clearance. It may just be the producers trying to provide some guidance so that the contestants have 20-30 recommendations. I think it’s really a problem of contestants not having appropriate songs in their repertoire — or adequate time to research.

    4. I agree completely. More flexible, interesting themes would make for a more entertaining evening.

    5. I’m ambivalent about this. On one hand, it would be fun to track itunes numbers, like The Voice. On the other hand, it could take all the suspense out of the results shows — and it feels vaguely mean. Like, I don’t really want to know that so-and-so’s song didn’t sell well.

    6. I think this is an excellent idea. The i-tune sales should count.

    7. Yes. I want to know more about who the contestants are. Really are. Michael Slezak can do this in ten minutes. Why can’t AI do it over 20 weeks?

    8. Agreed. Completely.

    9. Agree one thousand percent. Of course, the judges shouldn’t let the audience sway their opinions, either. Booing is just applause from ghosts.

  • Montavilla

    Nevermind, then. :)

  • taylor

    They spend the money to get them.

    The Voice isn’t paying out as much to their judges. Carson is a producer, but his salary for hosting probably isn’t anywhere close to Ryan’s 15 million a year.

  • Axxxel

    Interesting article about Adam Lambert. They still think he won Idol. LOL. I am glad they also mentioned that water and highschool charities Adam rallied his fans for,http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/ae/music/flamboyant-star-adam-lambert-lends-his-voice-to-pride-in-the-street-691454/

  • Axxxel

    I was a bit overzealous a couple of times… usually on Glee threads..but now I try to control my enthusiasm… I also enjoyed reading this thread. I just hope that American Idol will arise and will still survive for a couple more years.

  • irockhard

    Oh and don’t forget Motley Crue’s Kickstart My Heart. He also asked for that one and was also told it wasn’t cleared, which turned out to be another lie when he met Nikki Sixx and Mick Mars.

  • irockhard

    For metal in particular another way the show doesn’t adequately support metal contestants is due to another thing peeps here are complaining about – the band. The house band absolutely doesn’t have the chops to play metal music. For YGATC James sang with a recorded track, and for HM he had bring in Zakk Wylde.

  • springboard2

    The day there won’t be any butthurt fan left will be the day Idol/XF/Voice die, and this blog at the same time. I also read this thread earlier and found it overall interesting.

  • Axxxel

    I do tend to agree with MJ but on the other hand, maybe someone should tweet this thread to Pers Blanken…

  • Karen C

    The problem isn’t that the winners were WGWG, it’s that it seemed like they were shoe ins for the win from day one.

    This only really happened with Phillip. David Cook wasn’t expected to win in the beginning, it was only after his performances were so successful that he was even considered a front runner. Kris Allen wasn’t seen as a possible winner either until near the end, and especially after Heartless. Scotty was seen as a frontrunner, but that was because of his unique voice for his age.

  • Anny_nanny

    Yep!
    Lee was not the leader of his season. I’m not going to crucify him, I love his music, but many ppl are convinced that the leader was Crystal (ok, she is also wgwg).
    And Scotty is not wgwg.
    And I didn’t believe during S11 that Phillip wins. Yes, I followed just behind him. Yes, he is my favorite, but I whole season listened to the leadership of J&J and Colton with Skylar, and victory of P2 looked like a joke even in the network.
    And show me people who would have predicted the victory of Kris, they need me to predict my future.

  • Mateja Praznik

    David Cook’s victory obviously wasn’t predictable. He was the first WGWG winner. Then Kris happened. Trend started. So Lee DeWyze’s victory wasn’t a surprise, even though he couldn’t sing. Scotty wasn’t the typical WGWG, but by the time the semifinal round ended, I knew he was a lock and he wasn’t one of the better singers of his season. And Phillip was pimped since his audition. His win was predictable.

  • Karen C

    Lee won because some people did like him. Scotty is not a wgwg. Phillip was a bit predictable, though at the beginning, I thought Colton had a better chance.

    I do think some of this is because a large part of the audience likes a certain type of music.

  • Mateja Praznik

    That doesn’t make Lee’s, Scotty’s and Phillip’s wins any less predictable. And it sucks knowing the final result before the end of auditions or by the end of semifinals. Especially is you are not a fan of that type of music and want something different.

  • springboard2

    I agree with all this and would add:

    Cut down on sob stories, and instead be honest about the contestants artistic background.

    And also be honest about the making of the performances, from song choice to outfits backing and arrangements. I am tired of having to double guess what is the real input from the contestant.

  • elliegrll

    I think that the top two was predictable that season, but that wasn’t my point. I’m not talking about the individual seasons or winners, I’m talking about the perception that the only people who had a chance of winning over the past five years were white males, not those white males specifically. It’s not a perception that started in season seven, but one that gained momentum as the seasons went on.

    It’s an idea that became popular based on how the producers treated the female contestants, the types and number of non white contestants who were cast, and the fact that a few seasons the female contestants were eliminated very quickly, even though they were usually very talented. It also gained momentum, because it looked like the producers were trying to pander to people who were more likely to vote for someone because they were a white male soft rock artist.

  • justmefornow

    I remember that too. He was pissed, lol.

    It was right after the finale when he met James..

  • springboard2

    I don’t think that the producers were pandering to who were more likely to vote. They wanted Crystal to win season 9, Lauren season 10 and perhaps Jessica season 11, and they kept pimping them even when their performance didn’t deserve it, just as much as the WGWG.

    The problem was that they didn’t succeed. In my opinion, they backed the wrong girls, before the live shows or later on, because of male/female stereotypes from aging producers.

    Female voters may root for guys more easily, but they also root for good singers as long as they are interesting. The problem has been that the last part has been missing, and when the casual audience should have made the bulk of the votes in the final and perhaps tipped the balance towards the good vocalist, they stayed away because they didn’t care.

  • irockhard

    LOL he doesn’t have one bad NA performance, he always nails it.

  • TheOther

    Kris and Lee winning were not predictable over Adam and Crystal. With Scotty and Phillip, it was the new era of Interscope. There’s been convo here that was the reason why there was no WGWG in 12.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Season 9 was cast as a season of female singer-songwriters and after the semifinals Crystal did seem like a favorite. But I think TPTB realized during the season that she would be hard to work with and then they started backing Lee. He probably seemed the only viable alternative based on votes.

    Lauren was definitely positioned as a contender in season 10 and she probably would have won, if there wasn’t another country teenager from the south … with a penis and charisma of a humble nice man.

    Jessica wasn’t even shown until Hollywood week or Vegas. Unlike Phillip, who was first presented during the auditions. She didn’t get enough early pimpage and contenders are usually positioned during the auditions.

  • Mateja Praznik

    With Kris’ win the trend was established. After his win, it was quite easy to fugure out winners of the following seasons early on.

    And how was Casey James the true WGWG of season 9? Lee was also a WGWG and he got the backing of TPTB.

  • girlygirl

    I clicked on the link for both these stories, and they both refer to Adam as the Idol runner-up, not the winner.

    Should be a great event — hope there’s a huge turnout!

  • taylor

    “I do think some of this is because a large part of the audience likes a certain type of music.”

    What kind would that be? Country like Scotty? The AI audience has had their choice of females like Lauren or Skylar in years they have picked WGWGs. HAC/folk/rock like the other four WGWG? The AI audience has had Brooke, Carly, Allison, Lilly Scott, Katelyn Epperly, Siobhan, Didi Crystal, Haley, Erika and Elise to choose from in the years they selected WGWGs.

  • taylor

    “Jessica wasn’t even shown until Hollywood week or Vegas. Unlike Phillip, who was first presented during the auditions.”
    They set Phil up early on, from the first audition, like they’ve never positioned any other WGWG before with the whole “have you got your guitar here with you?…oh, really? what a treat! can you bring it in and play it for us?”

  • annie12120

    Heh,,, the final outcome was predicted well in advance of the final this year too and it had no wgwg to be seen anywhere.

  • Tinawina

    I don’t want to get rid of *all* the old themes or all older music. I love Standards week, for example. Plus you want to make things challenging! But there shouldn’t be like 80% of the songs sung from before 1980 is all. Maybe if 2 or 3 of the 15 (?) or so themes per season were “old”, that would be fine. And yes, the rest should lean towards the more modern and/or more flexible IMO.

    I love everything else you said!

  • taylor

    And look what they had to do to get that outcome.
    The five seasons which had WGWG winners were not stacked with unattractive, unappealing alternatives. There were some excellent women and minority males in those years that were competing for the title in those same seasons.

  • Axxxel

    Hope that too… may Adam reach a new audience…

    I was referring to this sentence of that article : “And the Queen fans, of course, they had to be won over by a guy who won a TV competition”

  • Ria.

    “The problem was that they didn’t succeed. In my opinion, they backed the
    wrong girls, before the live shows or later on, because of male/female
    stereotypes from aging producers. ”
    I couldn’t agree more! Their stereotypes for white males included musicians, country singers, songwriters, rockers, and entertainers who fill the stage. Those are all popular categories for the audience. Stereotypes for males also include old-school crooners and gospel singers. Their stereotypes for females included pretty girls who stand at the mic and hit a high note every week, pretty girls who sing Whitney Houston songs, and country girls. The rest of the females need to contend with the bus. Of those, only the country girls tend to get the audience behind them.

  • Ria.

    Scotty is the ultimate wgwg. The only thing surprising or unexpected from him was his deep voice for a teenager. He came out every week and sang a song in his genre and sang it pretty much just like the original.

  • Ria.

    Moments with newer songs include:
    In A Dream: 1991
    Always Be My Baby: 1995
    Mad World: 1982/2001
    Heartless: 2008
    Up to the Mountain: 2006