Idol Headlines for 05/31/09

Thanks for the Morning News, MJ!

when do we get Adam Lambert-branded eyeliner??????

Who the the hell is Justin Gaston? And why should I care about him singing anything?

Yay! Congratulations Jennifer.

The Star article is very cute.

Justin.Was he runner-up to Kelly clarkson?

Justin Gaston is Miley Cyrus’s boyfriend. blech.

http://news.alibaba.com/article/detail/entrepreneur/100109888-1-teen-celebrity-entrepreneurs.html

David Archuleta, 18, knows the drill.

Aw, Archie is doing a good job. :clap_tb:

My biggest hope is that Adam and Kris (Jive PLEASE) are on two different labels and they both get the promotion that they deserve. Both of them have the potential to be big in their own genre. Eventhough Kris does not appear to be the winner that they were looking for, I hope that they realize the opportunity that they have with him.

Justin Gaston = Miley Cyrus’s much older boyfriend/worst Nashville Star contestant last year/underwear model

So Jennifer Hudson is pregnant, isn’t pregnant, is, isn’t, and now she is. Oookay.

storm45701
May 31st, 2009 at 11:07 am
when do we get Adam Lambert-branded eyeliner??????

Those ad pictures would be Yumm. I can just imagine them. I’d certainly buy it.

Kris might not be with Jive?

I really had no idea Jennifer Hudson was pregnant. I don’t know how I missed that.

Jennifer hid her pregnancy like Adam hid the fact he is gay on AI. They just didn’t bring it up.

Has it been announced officially who Kris and Adam are signed with?

Adam is with RCA.I think we know that much because its on his site and on mediabase.I think Kris’s label keeps on changing from RCa/19 to Jive/19.

We don’t know what label Adam or Kris are on. That myspace that said Jive turned out to be fake and was deleted. It’s completely blank now. (Thank god because I was beginning to fear that someone saddled Kris with the most unprofessional management firm of life!). Don’t know why it was linked from the official site though.

Interesting that they didn’t mention that this Justin guy was on NBC’s Nashville Star. He finished 10th out of 12. I wonder how many takes he did before he posted it to YouTube….

Kris is definitely the better singer IMHO even when he’s stuck with Huckabee. But Justin would win in the underwear modeling contest. Something tells me that Kris is a boxer guy, unless those pink thongs were for him. And I really don’t want to see that! :shock_tb:

Kris could go with Jive.Everyone on the RCA label should get out of that label quick as they can because they will be pushed aside for a good year.I think TPTB would pay attention to Kris and bring out his best music side.RCA wouldnt do that.If TPTB is in on that label and made Kris look like a stick then imagine whatthey would do to his album? I cant see them wanting Kris.

Justin Guarini was the runner up to Kelly.

The Star continues to have some of the best and most fun AI coverage this year. And it appears that Adam is very popular in Malayasia. And 8TV’s top rated show this year was American Idol (Eng. lang. version).

While AI ratings in the US have declined, it appears to be more popular than ever in Asia. I think that the show would be even bigger if they broadcast it within 24 hours in all the other countries. (Some countries are on a 4-week delay.)

Didn’t Jennifer just deny she was pregnant?

RCA is covering Idol related music. I don’t think they’ve signed ADam as a solo artist yet. Kris’ NB was listed under Jive/19 and the RCA logo has been removed from his site. So my guess is Kris is with Jive and Adam has either not signed yet, or is in fact with RCA. Who knows, the best I can do is wait for an official announcement.

Something tells me that Kris is a boxer guy, unless those pink thongs were for him. And I really donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to see that!

Shameless I know, but he told People that he’s a briefs guy. lol

edit: stop with the fingerwagging and the lecturing

butte009, Kris is a brief guy. Check out the people.com interview

I remember last year many assumed Cook had signed with J because for the first few days after idol that’s the label that showed up for the Cook/TOML related things. A week after we found out he had signed with RCA.
I do think Adam is a good fit for RCA (and RCA is a big label, they can promote everyone without pushing aside others), but till it’s official, everything can happen. I wonder if they’re waiting for Kris/his label to announce first.

People Magazine

The All Access and Billboard’s websites were two of the first places that the Jive designation for Kris was discovered last week. At one point All Access was showing both Kris and Adam at RCA and the RCA logo was showing up at both of their official sites as well but that has since been fixed and the RCA logo only shows up on Adam’s official page but when the first set of adds came up Tuesday for NB for Kris at All Access it showed up like this:

19/Jive/JLG

The Billboard website for the Hot 100 that showed Kris’ NB at #11 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart HERE also showed Kris label as 19/Jive.

My best guess is that Kris is with Jive and Adam is with RCA but seeing the press releases for both at some point will at least put the confusion to rest. lol

I love the NC Times article about Adam’s life and musical upbrining. I have a feeling the RS article will be similar. Adam was a cute kid that grew up into a sexy man.

I don’t know what to think about J-hud being pregnant or not. But thats my girl, so I support her in what she does.

Fantasia is a FANTASTIC performer, so I’m glad to she’s back on broadway. I definitely suggest seeing her in the Color Purple. She’s really great in it.

I read that marketing article on Kris/Adam. It makes perfect sense to me. Thats what I thought all throughout the competition but time will tell!

And it appears that Adam is very popular in Malayasia. And 8TVà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s top rated show this year was American Idol (Eng. lang. version).

From a local perspective, the feel is that AI here is quite similar to that of US (from what I can gather in MJ’s blog and others). It’s a popular programme, but there are also many who don’t watch it or are just casual viewers.

As for Adam being very popular in Malaysia – very subjective I’d say. From what I can in MJ’s blog – there were the many more articles of “Why Adam (undeservedly) loss?” rather than “How Kris won?” type of headlines. Similar thing over here as well – apparently, the media here too is more pro-Adam. The Star and NST paper have published a lot more about Adam than other contestants, and that is to be expected as Adam is more glaring and stylistically different. So while it seems Adam might be more “popular” in the sense that he’s more talked about in the general media, I wouldn’t quickly discount the popularity of other contestants which is limited to online fandoms or passive fans who don’t go online.

Strange as it may seem, I’ve also come across Malaysian fans of other contestants in many online boards. In real life among myself and friends (where I hide my Kris fanboy self), there are pretty much equal amounts of Kris, Danny, and Adam fans (Poor Allison!). So I’d say Adam is not the only one getting lots of love overseas.

Adam’s NB is listed in Billboard under 19/RCA:

CHARTS: Hot Canadian Digital Singles
Artist: Adam Lambert
Title: No Boundaries
Issue Date: 06/06/2009
Promotion Label: 19/RCA
Distribution Label: Sony Music

Billboard
Looks like Adam has signed with RCA and Kris with Jive. Yay!

Yes, Kris is forgettable…Adam on the other hand, WOW! Adam has the ‘IT’ that can’t be manufactured. It’s almost like he’s magical, like he was beamed down from another planet! If he is managed correctly he will become a MEGA star.

Thank you for posting that search list sunn. To add to that I did a search for Kris and you can see his list HERE.

CHARTS: Hot Digital Songs
Artist: Kris Allen
Title: No Boundaries
Issue Date: 06/06/2009
Promotion Label: 19/Jive
Distribution Label: JLG

What types of endorsements have other Idols done? The only ones I’ve seen are Kelly and Carrie for Vitamin Water (I think). I usually skip the commercials. I think I vaguely recall the “Got Milk” ad for someone…. Any others?

David Cook on VH1 Top 20 – May 30 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5K1nkw3LpM

“Come Back To Me” – # 1 video of the week :thumbup_tb:

Does anyone know when Kris’ Idolatry video will be posted?

I just got back from a 7 hour drive from Virginia Beach where I saw DC and Felicia Barton and I’m deadfreakingtired so this will be brief but 1) concert was AMAZING! There was something like 18,000 people there so this was a huge, huge showcase for Felicia. She was really good and got the crowd going. DC, uh well I worship him :laugh_tb: But one thing I want to say sine the RCA/Jive subject is being talked about..I attended the concert with one of my friends whos a huge Daughtry fan and follows everything really religiously and apparently RCAEd, the guy who runs Daughtry’s official site is the one who created both Kris and Adams official sites SOO I’m thinking at the least Kris was supposed to originally go to RCA at first. I’m assuming this much anyway. Also, the Walmart shareholders meeting is this week and Daughtry, and Kris are performing.

eta: butte009 DC has a Skechers endorsement, and I think an endorsement deal with Gibson guitars. I’m not 100% sure about the latter.

Carrie did Sketchers and Taylor did Ford.

Oh, and Brooke White did DSW! Kelly also had a Ford ad.

David Cook get a deal with Sketchers.

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, or if this is the best place to post it, but EW mentioned that Adam Lambert will be a presenter tonight on the MTV Movie Awards. Here is the link:

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/05/new-moon-traile.html

Vanessa
May 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Not sure if this has been mentioned before, or if this is the best place to post it, but EW mentioned that Adam Lambert will be a presenter tonight on the MTV Movie Awards. Here is the link:

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/05/new-moon-traile.html

Yayyyyyyyyyyyy! :clap_tb: :drunk_tb: :clap_tb: :thumbup_tb: :wub_tb: :jittery_tb:

mj please post video tomorrow. pleeeeez.

David Cook on VH1 Top 20 – May 30 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5K1nkw3LpM

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Come Back To Meà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  – # 1 video of the week :thumbup_tb:

Thank you for posting this, Ashley19. I enjoyed the chat!
Yay Cookie!

Justin Gaston is Miley Cyrusà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s boyfriend. blech.

He was also a contestant on last summer’s Nashville Star.

He’s a horrible singer. But his teenaged girlfriend isn’t much better.

Vanessa, thanks for posting that! I completely forgot the awards are tonight. That’s really great for Adam!

So in other words, Idols don’t really do much commercial endorsing. It’s more about marketing themselves and charities.

Jennifer hid her pregnancy like Adam hid the fact he is gay on AI. They just didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t bring it up.

I really don’t think Adam was hiding very much. And if TPTB wanted to hid that he was gay, why did the 2 Simons have him sing “One” and “A Change is Gonna Come”. One has been used for many causes, including LBG Rights. And Sam Cook wrote ACIGC as a civil rights anthem. I think that they wanted to say it without ever saying it. I mean the “pink elephant” entered the room when they showed us Adam auditioning with “Bohemian Rhapsody” and never showed the first audition song (until the Final).

A bit more odd to me is why didn’t they want anyone to know that Adam’s parents were divorced? They don’t even live in the same city.

But his teenaged girlfriend isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t much better.

LOL MJ. So true

That North County article on Adam’s early years is wonderful. It emphasizes how hard he worked to get where he is now, and what a rare talent he has. If he hadn’t taken that jump to audition for AI he’d still be languishing in ensemble & understudy roles in LA theater. And that would have been an awful waste.

So we get to see him tonight on the MTV movie awards! O’Boy!!! Thanks for the reminder.

Kelly on Australian TV, Rove

I Do Not Hook Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHFWRi4MoXg

Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZTaA3LMAoo

butte009,
Katharine McPhee also did Big Phat Sexy Hair and I think another Idol will be doing that this year. Can’t remember who but Kellie Pickler is coming to mind but I’m not sure.
You couldn’t go into a mall without seeing Carrie and the Sketchers ad everywhere.

Trina – you should post a full report on Felicia opening for Cookie!

A bit more odd to me is why didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t they want anyone to know that Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s parents were divorced?

Just like I alluded to earlier…..they just didn’t bring it up. There is a big difference between “hiding” something and “not talking about something”.

Jennifer Hudson has had an enormous belly for months now….unless someone is blind, clueless, or unobservant it was pretty obvious that she was pregnant or getting pretty chubby if you saw her or saw a picture. If you hadn’t “seen” her you wouldn’t know that she is pregnant because “she” didn’t talk about it.

So in other words, Idols donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really do much commercial endorsing. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s more about marketing themselves and charities

In order to endorse something, you need to be asked to endorse it. Unless an advertising company thinks that people will buy what you are “selling” you won’t be asked. Apparently, there hasn’t been a lot of interest in having former Idols endorse products or brands.

It’s a lot like being on the cover of or having an article in a magazine. The Editor will usually choose someone who will add or at least not detract from the sale of the magazine.

After watching the whole season and reading alot of stuff in the last couple of weeks, I have came up with the following opinion: Both Adam and Kris are the only two who really stayed true to themselves the whole season. Adam was in your face, push the envelope type of guy who tried to keep you guessing every week. Kris was the laid-back guy who just wanted to play his music and didn’t care if he got alot of praise when he did it but he also stepped up his game each week and threw in some surprises along the way. I really think that their future careers will be the same. Adam is larger than life and will get a lot of press attention and may very well become a mega superstar. On the otherhand, in his low key manner, Kris will be the type of musician who will stay true to himself and will put out quality music in his style with some surprises along the way but many not be as visible as Adam. I just hope that their record labels will allow them both to stay true to themselves and thrive in their own genre without constantly being compared against each other. A good example of this is that both Lady Gaga and Jason Mraz were both on Itunes top 10 at the same time. There is definitely a market for both of their styles. As a fan of Kris’s I am promising myself now that I will support Kris along the way and make an effort not to constantly compare him to Adam.

Real nice jmom376.

I’m an Adam fan and I am so tired of all the AI comparisons. (And I admit that I have done a lot of it myself.)

I had a lot of fun watching Idol this year and my 3 favs came in 1,2, and 4. So that’s a pretty good season for me. (Usually I don’t have anyone I care about or my favs are gone by 3 or 4.)

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a lot like being on the cover of or having an article in a magazine. The Editor will usually choose someone who will add or at least not detract from the sale of the magazine.

Yes. I remember that with Kat. There was lots of debate when she was getting so many magazine covers (I think it was like 5 or 6). Some thought it was a sign that she was the biggest star of Season 5 and perhaps she was at some point (in other words: I don’t think we need a season 5 fanwar at this point). Fundamentally, it comes down to who the magazine editors thought would help sell their magazines. In the end, for Kat, magazines sales did not equate to CD/single sales and I think you’d be hard-pressed to argue against Daughtry being the biggest success in the music business of that season (though, I don’t recall the band or Chris ever being on the cover of any major magazine).

The magazines are not controlled by RCA or AI. A smart manager will try to get their artist positive attention and attempt to control the artist’s image, so they will pitch things to magazines. Magazines may do some favours in order to get access to other stories, but if they want to stay in the biz, they better put people on the cover that will sell magazines.

Personally, I think it’s great that we have two such diverse guys finishing on top of the idol heap. They really have nothing in common but a deep “love” for each other and for their “art”.

You really can’t compare them or even contrast them. Carrots and beans are both vegetables (I was going to use apples and oranges but the double entendre just wouldn’t let me go there, sorry) and it would be ridiculous to keep on going since that is the end of the story.

I think its going to be fun to watch where these two go, but never again as competitors.

edit: I’m really tired of modding people who don’t read or refuse to follow my guidelines. therefore, you are banned

Thank you TKat. 1, 2, and 4 were my favorites also. For the first time every my #1 came in #1, but with all of the negative press it doesn’t feel like I thought it would. But I have decided that it doesn’t really matter. I will support him by purchasing his music and not worry about the other stuff.

Looks like they’re being treated as co-winners:

http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=613337&st=450

Bringing this from Billboard.biz. It requires a subscription to read, so I won’t link. I’ll just cut and paste a portion of the article.

QUOTE

‘AMERICAN IDOL’ HITS A HIGH NOTE
June 06, 2009

… This season, 19 Entertainment also packaged singles by each contestant into 12-song sets, and sales of those compilations further complicate the Allen vs. Lambert debate. Lambert’s debuts at No. 33 on the Billboard 200 with 16,000 copies, while Allen’s notches 10,000 to land at No. 50. (For more analysis on how “American Idol” affected this week’s charts, see Over the Counter, page 57.)

It bears asking: Once his “Idol” momentum dies down, will Allen become a success story like Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood before him or a footnote to his runner-up? “That’s definitely gone through my head,” Allen says, “but I put that pressure on myself. I just want people to think that my music is great.”

Lambert and Allen are planning their solo debuts with 19 Entertainment, and the company says it’s equally invested in the recording and promotion of both. “It wouldn’t even enter our heads to think about prioritizing anyone over anyone else,” says Iain Pirie, head of 19 Entertainment U.S. “Kris has a very real, organic approach to his music, and Adam has a very contemporary and expressive way of performing. We’re absolutely thrilled with both of them, and they both have their own niche. There’s almost no overlap between the two artists, which is a dream situation.”

Much as he did on the show, Lambert says he’d like to shift between genres with his original music. “Obviously we want the album to have a cohesive sound, but I think it can be a collection of different styles with me at the center of it.” Of his creative input on the record, the singer says, “I plan on being very present and involved.”

Allen likely won’t take as many risks as Lambert will on his debut; Allen hopes his album will be pop-rock in the vein of the Fray and Gavin DeGraw. But he’s not concerned. “I think 19 is really respectful of who I am as an artist and what I want to go for,” Allen says. “I’ll have some say, but even if I don’t have as much as I want, it’s OK. I can’t complain.”

If these advertisers are smart they’ll have BOTH Kris and Adam endorsing products … and I mean the same product. They’ve proven with their endearing bromance that they are also comical geniuses together! Win-win … exactly their attitude since the beginning!

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, or if this is the best place to post it, but EW mentioned that Adam Lambert will be a presenter tonight on the MTV Movie Awards.

Can’t wait to see what he’s going to wear!!!!!

No more or less equally invested than 19 Entertainment was/is with the Davids.

19 Entertainment does recognize when they have a strong sellable runnerup whether Archie or Adam or Clay Aitken.

For 19, that is the best situation to be in because then they have two horses in the race.

Why they signed Kristy Lee Cook to a contract last year and then left her blowing in the wind, however continues to boggle the mind given the talent they passed on.

Be interesting to find out in which category Adam will be presenting an award for….

snuffles: Billboard article

Thanks for the article. Finally, some actual media statement from 19 and both of them that’s actually related to making albums!

honowoowoo:
If these advertisers are smart theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll have BOTH Kris and Adam endorsing products à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ and I mean the same product.

If that really happens, I’m afraid the Kradam fandom will self-implode with gleefulness..

Thank you Snuffles for posting that!!! Kris and Adam have been saying from the beginning that they both feel like winners-so it does feel like they are co-winners. That makes me so happy to hear that their record companies will behind both of them. YAY!!

Adam will be at the MTV movie awards tonight?? Awesome!!! I wonder what category he will present? Can’t wait to see what he wears too!!

This might be the first time in years I’ve watched these awards… lol

TKat wrote:

I really donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Adam was hiding very much. And if TPTB wanted to hid that he was gay, why did the 2 Simons have him sing à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Oneà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“A Change is Gonna Comeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ . One has been used for many causes, including LBG Rights. And Sam Cook wrote ACIGC as a civil rights anthem. I think that they wanted to say it without ever saying it.

And in case you still didn’t get it, they had him sing “Beth,” complete with the eyebrow lifts on “me and the boys will be playing…all night.”

I kind of think this is TPTB trying to show that they’re relevant to a new generation. While playing by the old generation’s “rules” about finding this unmentionable. So silly. Entertaining at times, though, like Adam’s rendition of “Beth.”

I’m just excited for when Adam becomes the new Cover Girl.

What is different this year? When David Cook won, he was not the judges’ favorite but was more popular with fans by almost every objective measure — consumer polls and surveys, online buzz, iTunes sales. Plus, there were no claims of huge voting irregularity.

This year many external measures show Adam being more popular but Kris won the vote. And there continue to be questions about the integrity of the vote. The latest is that there are now two groups who claim to have blocked Adam phone lines with massive computer calls — and one of them was outside the US but used VOIP call and hijacked US residential numbers to do it.

I am not sure how much winning really matters. But unless they reform the voting system, I will probably be an ex-viewer and I’ll never spend hours voting again.

JenG
May 31st, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just excited for when Adam becomes the new Cover Girl.

Ok, I was drinking coffee and now my dress is ruined!! LMAO.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just excited for when Adam becomes the new Cover Girl.

LOL! :laugh_tb:

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just excited for when Adam becomes the new Cover Girl

:lol_tb:

But Queen Latifa already has the Queen line covered.

Actually I like guys who sport tasteful eyeliner/shadow. I don’t see why people think it’s only for women these days. There’s nothing wrong with it.

ETA: BTW I’m 44 and still remember what an uproar there was when Boy George “came out”.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just excited for when Adam becomes the new Cover Girl

LOL I’m hoping for a line of Adam cosmetics, treatment and haircare products!

Apparently Adam will not attend the MTV MA:

“Adam Lambert was apparently schedule to appear at MTV Movie Awards. Sounds like they had last minute change and now he’s not coming. #ahcom
12:07 PM May 28th from web”

http://twitter.com/DishofSalt

boooooo!

edit: don’t lecture posters. make a point and then move on

Am I the only one who thinks Lambert is better off for not winning? He can be like Daughtry…more free without the title. Believe it or not, winning AI can put you in a box.

Thank you Snuffles for posting that!!! Kris and Adam have been saying from the beginning that they both feel like winners-so it does feel like they are co-winners. That makes me so happy to hear that their record companies will behind both of them. YAY!!

The whole co-winners thing is what has been bothering me since the close of the season. If these two guys want to think that, because of mutual respect and because they’re bffs, fine. It’s very nice. It’s just not what happened. Even if Kris is so big-hearted he wants to share it, it’s not his to share. Even if Adam feels like he won just by making the finals, he didn’t win. The votes are what they are. All this talk is obscuring the obvious outcome. And, in a way, it’s not helping Adam’s fans move on, or allowing Kris’s fans to feel victorious.

I never thought I’d say it, but maybe Simon was right. Maybe it would have been better if they were more obviously competitive. Perhaps things would be more cut and dried, now, and the air would be clearer.

jmom376, I’m not trying to be critical of your comment. I guess I just wanted to address some of these things. As for the record companies and their commitment,

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“It wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even enter our heads to think about prioritizing anyone over anyone else,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  says Iain Pirie, head of 19 Entertainment U.S.

I took that to be a corporate statement that they don’t favor any artist over any other.

storm45701 I agree. Both Adam and Kris said Idol was a platform to get exposure for their post-Idol careers. Winner or runner-up, they achieved what they set out to do. Good for them.

Apparently Adam will not attend the MTV MA:

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Adam Lambert was apparently schedule to appear at MTV Movie Awards. Sounds like they had last minute change and now heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not coming. #ahcom
12:07 PM May 28th from webà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

http://twitter.com/DishofSalt

boooooo!

I second that “boooooo”!

they’ve got to sell records for both; they’ve got to promote both…as well as whomever else they decide to sign (Allison?). They’ve had to have been impressed with the number of singles sold by each of these 2 over the past season. I do like the line that they are in a situation with no overlap, and not competing within the same arena. That will make their job easier.

If people don’t think Wal-Mart won’t cook up a deal with their hometown heartthrob Kris Allen, then think again.

they signed Kristy Lee Cook last year??? Really????? I had no idea….

I am a big Adam fan but love Kris and Allison too.

I agree the media is focusing on Adam more (as has been the case all season) BUT the majority of American’s don’t even read this stuff. Most of my coworkers who watched the show were Kris fans and they are happy he won and will probably buy his CD, but they don’t even think about who is getting more press etc.

Kris is THE 2009 American Idol. He will always have that title – Adam will not.

If people donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Wal-Mart wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t cook up a deal with their hometown heartthrob Kris Allen, then think again.

No a thousand times no…..Please Kris, don’t even think about it! WalMart has some of the most negative vibe of any retailer…to be linked with them wouldn’t result in a lot of positives for Kris, at least with ANYONE I know.

But unless they reform the voting system, I will probably be an ex-viewer and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll never spend hours voting again.

I won’t never vote again if they don’t change the way votes are done. But I will still watch, cause I love the show, and look forward to it every year.

Am I the only one who thinks Lambert is better off for not winning? He can be like Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦more free without the title. Believe it or not, winning AI can put you in a box.

Blake thought he was better off not winning and well, we see what happened with him.

I’m not saying that Adam will end up like Blake (who knows?), but I don’t think he’s better off as the runner up than he would be had he won. I don’t think it’s going to make much difference. Ultimately, it will come down to the music he makes post show and whether the music buying public responds favorably to it. He’s not going to be more “free” as a runner up though-19 has their hooks in him, just like Kris. Plus with all the hype he has received during and after the show, the pressure will be on him to live up it. He’s not going to escape that pressure as a runner up because he’s being treated like a winner who is destined to become the next big international stah.

Blessings to Jennifer Hudson. This is really good news and I wish her and David all the best.

As for the Kris vs. Adam post-Idol success speculation, in the end, it comes down to how much promotion the labels give each of their CDs, the kind of music they record, how well it’s received by critics and fans, and how well they (Adam and Kris) sell it. The labels and 19 know how hotly contested this particular season’s results were and will not miss the opportunity to capitalize on Adam’s popularity whether he won or not. They’d be foolish not to.

If Adam turns out to be a flash in the pan, he’ll be dropped. If he’s hot for a while and then fades out ala Clay, he’ll be dropped. Same with Kris. It’s all about the dollar and units moved. The labels don’t give a damn about who is the “real” Idol.

I think Adam will have more opportunities down the road than Kris, however – i.e. Broadway, movies, TV, whatever. He’s got acting experience and we all know how much Broadway loves former Idols. Kris is more of a niche artist and won’t have the same kind of opportunities.

I’m curious as to how they’ll produce the tour show this year. Last year, they returned to the format they used in the first five seasons – the contestants performed in the order of their eliminations with Cook closing out the show. Season six they had a bunch of group numbers, duets and solos in no particular order. If they consider Adam and Kris “co-winners” will they mix up the performances so that neither will be considered the headliner?

edit: off topic. don’t bait posters

I agree with dante. I think Adam has a lot more intense fans while I know there are a lot of Kris fans who arent as ardent about searching for Kris stuff online, but will be there to buy his album when it comes out. Interesting enough, a lot of his fans I know are older, and not just the tween market.

I think each has their own niche in terms of people who would want them to endorse their products. I can’t imagine someone deciding between the 2 to use in advertisements because they are so different that they really can’t even compete.

Now.. I’m just waiting for 19 to sign Allison and I’d be super happy!

If you hadn’t “seen” her you wouldn’t know that she is pregnant because “she” didn’t talk about it.

Actually, Jennifer’s PR person responded to the rumors by categorically denying she was pregnant.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just excited for when Adam becomes the new Cover Girl.

But Queen Latifa already has the Queen line covered.

:lol_tb: :lol_tb: :lol_tb:

This cracked my shit up!!!!

I would buy his products because I think boyfriend would know what he is talking about!

Shell29:

Blake thought he was better off not winning and well, we see what happened with him.

I think Adam is far more talented than Blake, though. I never did understand his appeal. I didn’t dislike, but that was such horrible year talent-wise (except Melinda). Blake is still with 19E, though (just not Arista).

Now.. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just waiting for 19 to sign Allison and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be super happy!

Do you think that her being a minor has anything to do with lack of updates or just that they are trying to pin down Kris and Adam first?

If I was to take a guess I’m assuming that AI tour will have more group numbers, duets etc. I don’t see them doing the season seven solo sets. Adam is already upstaging Kris in the media. Kris being a laid back performer, it will be tough to follow Adam’s completely different high energy style in an AI concert atmosphere. Both guys are extremely talented. I think Kris is so far holding his own sales wise. Obviously, the real test will be when the post AI albums come out in the fall.

The latest is that there are now two groups who claim to have blocked Adam phone lines with massive computer calls à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  and one of them was outside the US but used VOIP call and hijacked US residential numbers to do it.

Oh, that one sounds like a doozy. I’d love to know how that one was supposed to have been played out. How did these groups block Adam’s phone line? By voting for him? How does that hurt Adam? And hijacking of US residential numbers? Did they use black helicopters? Was the ATF involved? Does it have anything to do with vaccines?

I’m sure the NYT is right on top of this one.

I have a theory that Aliens from Planet X (or maybe it’s just the Vogons) are responsible for the galactic horror of Adam losing. They didn’t mess around with bulk texting or blocking calls or giving automic wedgies to the Adam fans so they couldn’t vote, no these clever beings hacked right into the Telescope computers and just put in any old number of votes they felt like. Just like in Wargames when the dude changed his school marks, but more evil. At first, the folks at Telescope were a little confused that Adam got -12,354,233 votes, but then they reasoned, if that’s what the computer says, it must be right. Kris won by a shocking 112 millon votes. I’d spam the press with this information, but I think it’s time to give the subject a rest (plus, I don’t want anger the Vogons anymore than they already are. Actually, given the lyrics of Natural Disasters, are we sure Kara isn’t a Vogon?)

I’m hoping for a Kris/Adam duet on the tour. Lord knows Allen is NOT going to duet with Danny….. :lol_wp: :lol_wp:

Didn’t Bruce Springsteen do a WalMart exclusive with his last album? If The Boss can do business with WalMart’s evil empire, I think Kris will be fine.

I would like to see more duets and group numbers than last year’s tour. Season 5 (the only other year I saw the tour) had a group number for the boys that was awesome, plus lots of duets. And the singers were not exactly in elimination order, although they were close. But it opened with Mandisa and then Ace, and then had Lisa Tucker and Paris, and then Pickler and Bucky. That gave them natural duets (Mandisa and Ace not so much, but Lisa and Paris fit together nicely, and Pickler and Bucky did country) and left the top four for the second half. But both times, the show ended with a group number, so I don’t think Kris and “No Boundaries” would be the closer in any event. I lovedlovedloved Daughtry and Elliott’s duet in the season 5 concert. That and the all-boy number (which started to fill Katharine’s spot when she was out supposedly sick, but stuck around even after she came back) were definite highlights of the tour.

Maybe this year, they can go in order, with Adam coming out (no pun intended) to do “Slow Ride” with Allison to open the second act, and then, after Gokey, Adam and Kris do their sets, Adam can come back out and duet with Kris on “We Are the Champions,” with everybody eventually joining them in a big pointy pose explosion of gloriosity.

Actually, Jenniferà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s PR person responded to the rumors by categorically denying she was pregnant.

LOL. Well, I’ll give Jennifer and her PR person a pass on this one. Most people don’t like mentioning it until after the first trimester because of the high risk of miscarriages (bad enough to have to deal with a sad event like that without also having the tabloids all over you asking you if you feel sad. Losers). And really, if we wait long enough, we know for sure when the paps chase the new parents all over the streets trying to get photos of the new baby.

If I was to take a guess Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m assuming that AI tour will have more group numbers, duets etc.

But what would they do with Scott during the group numbers? Not to be insensitive but will his new dog be on tour too?

Ughhhh with the constant battling and comparisons. I don’t care who won anymore, did at the time for about 5 minutes, but now it’s over. I don’t even care who sells more albums or is more successful. I don’t spend my life comparing who sold more records Kean or My Chemical Romance, though I love them both and will buy both. I don’t really follow who had the most No 1 singles in a year Byonce or Aguillera, though again I love them both. I don’t really care who’s movie made more money Brad Pitt or George Clooney, I’ll watch both when as they come out.

Adam or Kris, really I don;t care who makes the more money. Non of it is going in my pocket. All I care about is that they produce good music that I can buy and shows that I can attend. I want to be entertained, that’s all.

Am I personally invested in Adam the man or the artist? No.
I hope Adam does well, but will it be any credit to me if he does? No, the credit is all his own.
Will I be disappointed if he does not? Ofcourse. But the failure will be his as well, and no reflection on me or my life. It will not prove or disprove any over-arching point about my personality, my choices or my taste in music in any way shape or form.

edit: rant like that one more time, and you’re in moderation. Your post was fine until you started the lecture.

LOL. Well, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll give Jennifer and her PR person a pass on this one. Most people donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like mentioning it until after the first trimester because of the high risk of miscarriages

Apparently she’s 7 months pregnant.

I don’t care about the lying–PR people do that all the time. It’s their job. Heh.

I was making the point that Jennifer’s case, as a poster was making the comparison, wasn’t the same as Adam’s parents who never mentioned they were divorced.

Her people actually denied she was pregnant as her belly grew bigger. Jennifer’s people were hiding her pregnancy for whatever reason.

To the writer of that article saying Kris is forgettable and Adam has the edge in marketing, I say BULL FUCKING SHIT! Kris is quite current and much more defined. He will fit nicely into Top 40 radio if he’s marketed well. Adam will be successful too if he’s marketed well and finds his niche. He’s more of a puzzle honestly to me anyway. When was the last time you heard a glam rock song on mainstream radio? Uh yeah, my point excactly.

Sunn
May 31st, 2009 at 3:23 pm

Great Post! It is what it is (my favorite saying…which Danny stole from me, by the way).

Is it November yet, I want some albums!!

Even if Kris is so big-hearted he wants to share it, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not his to share.

That’s debatable, imo. It is his title. I’m betting his PR peeps might like him to own it more, and to me, he has gotten stronger in his statements about winning (and not just the jokes on BWE and what have you lol.) But, Kris is Kris and he feels how he feels. So if he’s OTT gracious and kind to his runner up Adam, he can be.

edit: please don’t question the motives of your fellow posters.

That said, there are perks and promotions that go along with the title that will belong to Kris and Kris alone. So, no, he won’t be truly sharing the win in a real world, actual way. No worries there. And, AI seems to really like Kris, and will have a self-interest in seeing him succeed so that the show maintains some credibility in finding successful recording artists (and so as not to have another whipping boy like Taylor.) So, all’s good.

I just hope things go as well for Adam along the way…

REMINDER:

URGHHH.

I’m REALLY REALLY REALLY getting irritated with posters who continue to rant, rave, lecture and fingerwag.

How many times do I have to remind people to respect other’s opinions? If you hate what you are reading then STOP READING. But DO NOT TRY TO DICTATE THE DISCUSSION HERE.

A couple of posters are on the verge of banning. I’m spending way too much time moderating these threads.

Great Post! It is what it is (my favorite sayingà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦which Danny stole from me, by the way).

Well, I edited part of Sunn’s “great post” so actually, it wasn’t so great, in my opinion.

Again, one more reminder to please respect each other’s opinion. No lecturing, please don’t attempt to dictate the discussion.

Do you think that her being a minor has anything to do with lack of updates or just that they are trying to pin down Kris and Adam first?

I think they were trying to pin Kris and Adam down first. When Danny was asked by Ryan on LKL about his CD, he said he didn’t know much yet because ‘they were trying to get Kris and Adam sorted out first’ …..or along those lines. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve indicated intent to sign all of the Top 5 but are probably going in order of finish in how they sign them. Just a hunch.

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s more of a puzzle honestly to me anyway. When was the last time you heard a glam rock song on mainstream radio? Uh yeah, my point excactly.

Ah I don’t necessarily agree with that and I’m lukewarm on Adam on a good day. You know I was actually agreeing with Randy throughout the competition. I was seriously thinking Emo Rock like Panic! At the Disco, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Linkin Park would be like Adam’s perfect niche, if they were playing it safe. But then I think that would me Adam would have to front a band and I’m not sure if I can see Adam doing that.

I can’t really imagine Adam as the male Lady GaGa which seems to be the comparison of choice. But hey if that’s what Adam wants to do and the label lets him do that then go on with your bad self. I don’t care LOL!

There was a good article that’s dated June 06 from Billboard:

Lambert and Allen are planning their solo debuts with 19 Entertainment, and the company says it’s equally invested in the recording and promotion of both. “It wouldn’t even enter our heads to think about prioritizing anyone over anyone else,” says Iain Pirie, head of 19 Entertainment U.S. “Kris has a very real, organic approach to his music, and Adam has a very contemporary and expressive way of performing. We’re absolutely thrilled with both of them, and they both have their own niche. There’s almost no overlap between the two artists, which is a dream situation.”

(Hopefully someone can find a link to the rest of it, I don’t want to post too much here).

I’m pretty much okay with this, and I agree with the sentiment, there’s room enough for both idols to be successful if they come out with good music.

But then I think that would me Adam would have to front a band and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure if I can see Adam doing that.

Maybe Adam is not interested in going down that road but I always thought that his performance with a band onstage were his best, he really interacted superbly with the other musicians and seemed to inspire and be inspired by them.

I’m so confused.Kris is doing a walmart meeting? What does that mean.Chris
Daughty is also going? does this mean that they have the same PR or something.I dont see why Chris would be there.Love him though and wouldnt
mind a Kris/Chris duet.

AI really seemed to like Kris? I’m going back to my idol episodes this season to make sure that the TPTB were fair and loved him.

(Hopefully someone can find a link to the rest of it, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to post too much here).

Somebody already posted, nearly the entire article, upthread.

No link though. You need a subscription to read it.

I agree the media is focusing on Adam more (as has been the case all season) BUT the majority of Americanà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even read this stuff. Most of my coworkers who watched the show were Kris fans and they are happy he won and will probably buy his CD, but they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even think about who is getting more press etc.

Kris is THE 2009 American Idol. He will always have that title – Adam will not.

I absolutely agree, but the press is more about post-AI exposure. AI titles and the audience will be there to buy CDs, but not make the career. They need to be exposed to the non-AI watchers/fans to garner real success (as has usually been the case). That’s not necessarily going to translate to sales, but press and attention outside of AI can help. It’s to build momentum. Adam and Kris don’t have to win over AI fans who didn’t like them, but win over non-AI fans who might like them.

On a different note, I guess I don’t feel like I was out of it about Hudson’s pregnancy if it was never confirmed till now.

Be interesting to find out in which category Adam will be presenting an award forà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

Taking a wild guess here. I don’t know which category, maybe Katy Perry or Lady Gaga is getting an award.

As to all the other stuffs. Shades of season 5 around here. I need popcorn.

Somebody already posted, nearly the entire article, upthread.
Woops sorry, I thought I had read the second page but I guess not.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m so confused.Kris is doing a walmart meeting? What does that mean.

Every year, Wal-mart puts on a week of concerts for the shareholders. Kris will perform at the concert to be held at corporate headquarters. Chris Daughtry is set to perform at one of the outdoor concerts, I believe.

If it’s like other years, Kris’s performance will be available for viewing online.

Why were some people acting like the walmart concert was bad for Kris? Walmart could help Kris by promoting his album.We all know with this
sucky media and RCA record company he’s gonna need it.

So judging from the biliboard article KRadam are both with RCA?

The Walmart Concert is standard gig like Disney World and doing the NA. He’s a local boy so it’ll be a love fest.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹AMERICAN IDOLà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ HITS A HIGH NOTE
June 06, 2009

Thanks for the early preview.

Do you think that her being a minor has anything to do with lack of updates or just that they are trying to pin down Kris and Adam first?

I’m sure they can work on of them in parallel if they want to. They don’t really care about age – all that matters to them is how much money they can make off the artist.

So is Adam going to be at the MTV awards tonight or not?

He would be the only reason I’d sit through them.

Oops, I’ve been edited, sorry mj. I forgot what I said, but I’ll plead fever, head and chest cold clouding my judgment, as well as prohibiting sufficient oxygen intake! Sorry…

A insider said he’s not.

I still don’t see how Adam is going to sell if he doesn’t expand his fanbase–which is pretty limited, judging by recent iTunes sales. Sure the media and show biz types like him–but that still doesn’t translate into sales. And since with Adam it’s all about the visuals, the theatrics, how do you put that on a cd?

Sure the media and show biz types like himà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’but that still doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t translate into sales. And since with Adam ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all about the visuals, the theatrics, how do you put that on a cd?

Uhh, have you actually listened to any of his itunes? I can assure you that he is very sellable :king_tb:

I especially LOVE feeling good, its brilliant. I guess what I want to say is that he stands out on his recording too. The arrangement aren’t always the best given the rushed recordings but he definetely stands out.

edit: dial back the sarcasm

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m so confused.Kris is doing a walmart meeting? What does that mean. Chris Daughty is also going?

This is the Annual Wal-mart meeting. They always have a lot of performers there. They don’t usually schedule multiple AI artists on the same day.

To the writer of that article saying Kris is forgettable and Adam has the edge in marketing, I say BULL FUCKING SHIT!

TBWA Chiat Day (I think it was their exec. creative director who said that, but I’m not checking back) is a very big deal in the advertising/marketing/branding world. They are among the largest on the planet and win tons of creative awards. Because they push the edge of the envelope creatively, they tend to attract clients and brands who like to take risks. Some brands like to cultivate an edgy, provocative, controversial image and some like to cultivate a clean-cut, well-scrubbed traditional sort of image–and then there’s everything in-between.

As far as recent sales go – I think that sales for Adam were probably really good all along (wish we could see those numbers!) – I know there were many of us that “pre-ordered” and most of his studio stuff is brilliant. I am a U2 fan and like Adam’s studio version better.

I would guess that Adam’s fanbase is huge compared to the others, especially outside of the U.S. – where the whole “different” thing does not even come into play.

I can think of another reason why they might not follow the same concert layout as last year: I’m planning to go, but will make zero effort to arrive on time. For me, the concert would begin when Anoop hits the stage. And I’ll bet I’m not the only one who feels that way. The bottom half of this top 10 is a whole lotta meh.

As for Kris’s endorsement deals, I highly recommend him for Oreos. Get a photo of him dunking that compares with that adorable shot from Disney’s AI experience, and they won’t be able to keep those things on the shelves. :wink_ee:

judging by recent iTunes sales

Since we don’t even know the iTunes sales numbers for the season, we couldn’t judge by them even if we wanted to. Most folks seem to think iTunes sales of AI performances and studio recordings aren’t really an indicator of future sales, so that’s another issue to contend with, if we had cumulative numbers, which we don’t.

But assuming for the sake of argument, both the premise (that Adam’s recent sales are somehow lacking) and conclusion (that his fanbase is therefore lacking too) are true, then the same problems face Kris as well, don’t they? After all, combining both their recents sales numbers still doesn’t reach the finale week sales of David Cook.

On the other hand, both Adam’s and Kris’ finale week iTunes sales, separately, beat Archie’s. From the proffered analysis, are we to conclude that Archie’s post-Idol sales were/are lacking?

From the itunes leak we had previously, I think it’s clear that Adam has been outselling the other idols the entire season. Kris caught on late, and with his win people were interested in buying his songs recently. I only downloaded something from him this week. For Adam to still be selling his songs (especially his album doing so well) means he has continued to gain new fans and is amazing. I would bet anything that if we looked at total sales, Adam would be far ahead in itune sales. The fact that his video are selling well means that he is interesting to watch and reinforces his amazing stage presence. I think all Idols have to gain fanbases outside of Idol. They all have to put out good music. I don’t see Adam’s fanbase as limited at all. His fans range all ages and people from Christina Applegate, Dane Cook, Katie Couric, The Hills girls, many singers/musicians of rock groups etc love him.

Just like the article here, I think many see the runner-up for Adam as good. Some say it legitimizes him. Some say it gives him the Daughtry edge – the fact that he went outside the traditional conservative generic Idol type so it makes them “cooler”. Being runner-up to many will mean he was a victim of homophobia and the christian right. Plus the pressure if off. Kris will need to sell a lot more albums and sell out more arenas than Adam. The winner should outperform the runner-up to justify his win.

chrgi May 31st, 2009 at 3:48 pm

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s more of a puzzle honestly to me anyway. When was the last time you heard a glam rock song on mainstream radio? Uh yeah, my point excactly.

Ah I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t necessarily agree with that and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m lukewarm on Adam on a good day. You know I was actually agreeing with Randy throughout the competition. I was seriously thinking Emo Rock like Panic! At the Disco, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Linkin Park would be like Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s perfect niche, if they were playing it safe. But then I think that would me Adam would have to front a band and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not sure if I can see Adam doing that.

Adam’s performances with the house band were great and he interacted with them well.

See him fronting his former band The Citizen Vein:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WWakBegN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBBEgbix40g&feature=related

in other words: I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think we need a season 5 fanwar at this point.

Darn it! I’m always ready to fight one of those!!! LOL, I REALLY am kidding MJ!!

On a serious note, I’m hoping that Jennifer was ready for motherhood and that it wasn’t a surprise. She needs some joy in her life. Being a mom is one of the most amazing things in the world.

Uh, youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re joking right? Have you ever heard of this visual music medium called MUSIC VIDEOS?

Lol. Even Kris will come off theatrical on a video. So how does Adam stand out? Maybe he’ll walk backwards like Cook.

The Walmart Concert is standard gig like Disney World and doing the NA. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a local boy so ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be a love fest.

I’m sure that Kris will be loved. But people come from all over the country for this meeting. And it’s not a small town Arkansas picnic, it’s the Annual Meeting for the 2nd largest company in the world.

I would guess that Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fanbase is huge compared to the others, especially outside of the U.S. – where the whole à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“differentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  thing does not even come into play.

I definitely agree with this. I’m an American living in the UK, and Adam is extremely popular here already. There’s even an online fan group dedicated to him (they’re called the Lambrits). I don’t have any numbers or facts to back up my feeling, but I think Adam will be very successful in the international arena.

Cay-.Kris doesnt need to justify anything.I bet anything that Adam cant do with Kris does without wanting to add glitter or big notes.Believe this or not.Some people dont want to pay money to see Adam and would much rather see Kris.

On the other hand, both Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s and Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ finale week iTunes sales, separately, beat Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s. From the proffered analysis, are we to conclude that Archieà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s post-Idol sales were/are lacking?

They did? Thought Archie was huge just post Idol. Dont follow all the itunes stas, but i assumed he would sell a lot. The crap he sings now is def underwhelming, but during Idol I thought his renditions sold a lot

I definitely agree with this. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m an American living in the UK, and Adam is extremely popular here already. Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s even an online fan group dedicated to him (theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re called the Lambrits). I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have any numbers or facts to back up my feeling, but I think Adam will be very successful in the international arena

Yeah I’m a member of the Lambrit’s forum and Adam’s Appreciation Thread on the the Digital Spy (Reality TV) forum which is 10 times as big as the one set up for David Cook last year even though David’s thread is a year older. .. and this seems to be the trend across the majority of general discussion forums where AI is being talked about .. Adam seems to be the one most people are talking about and it’s mostly positive.

Also I’m a member of a couple of other UK artists forums where Adam has his own dedicated thread and is getting a lot of interest.

Of course online support isn’t the best guide for popularity as not everyone who supports an artist spends time on the net or talking in forums .. but it does show that there is a lot of interest in Adam which would hopefully transfer into sales.

BubbleGum May 31st, 2009 at 5:07 pm

Cay-.Kris doesnt need to justify anything.I bet anything that Adam cant do with Kris does without wanting to add glitter or big notes.Believe this or not.Some people dont want to pay money to see Adam and would much rather see Kris.

Adam did what he did on Idol to get noticed. Despite the fact that he performed with KISS and would have looked ridiculous not dressing up, he sang “Beth” low key and without big notes. “We Are The Champions” requires large notes, but he didn’t have glitter, was not OTT and sang darn close to the original version. He will not always do the big notes nor have the glitter for everything. I like to be entertained at concerts and refuse to pay big money just to see someone standing there and holding a guitar and not putting on a show. But that is me.

Believe this or not. Some people dont want to pay money to see Adam and would much rather see Kris.

Exactly. I know it’s a shock, but yeah A LOT of people prefer Kris to Adam both visually and musically. OTT doesn’t do it everyone just because it’s louder and gets more “attention” doesn’t make it better. Kris’s pre-idol album is wonderful. If he can put something out in that vein, I think it will fly off the shelves. It’s current, cool, and full of artistic and musical charm.

Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s performances with the house band were great and he interacted with them well.

See him fronting his former band The Citizen Vein:

Thanks but no thanks. No one needs to try and prove a point to me. Fact is, I have no interest in anything Adam does. Sorry but that’s the way it is.

dv, thanks for the Rove links for Kelly Clarkson. The interview was hilarious and Kelly gave a great performance of “I Do Not Hook Up”.

But assuming for the sake of argument, both the premise (that Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s recent sales are somehow lacking) and conclusion (that his fanbase is therefore lacking too) are true, then the same problems face Kris as well, donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t they? After all, combining both their recents sales numbers still doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t reach the finale week sales of David Cook.

The itunes sales just post idol of the songs they sang on the show are no indicator whatsoever of any one’s future success, so you’re right. It will boil down to the material they put out there in the summer and beyond.Everything else at this point is just conjecture

I like to be entertained at concerts and refuse to pay big money just to see someone standing there and holding a guitar and not putting on a show. But that is me.

A lot of people feel entertained by what you would refuse to pay big money for. Uh let’s see, Elton John, Billy Joel sitting at the piano. Hmmm….lotsa people pay big money for that stuff. Those guys are legends and have made their living off those kind of shows. And most recently John Mayer, Jason Mraz, Matt Nathanson, etc. Being entertained means different things to different people.

Thanks but no thanks. No one needs to try and prove a point to me. Fact is, I have no interest in anything Adam does. Sorry but thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the way it is.

Wasn’t trying to make a point, you just said you couldn’t see him fronting a band that is all. Each to his own. I like all types of music and can appreciate both Adam and Kris.

Cay-.Kris doesnt need to justify anything.I bet anything that Adam cant do with Kris does without wanting to add glitter or big notes.Believe this or not.Some people dont want to pay money to see Adam and would much rather see Kris.

I’ve see plenty of videos from Adam on youtube that don’t involve glitter and big notes .. especially those at the Upright Cabaret .. just him and a piano (although he does have a few rhinestones on his t=shirt but I wouldn’t call that glitter as it’s very understated and more like fashion then him dressing up). Also I didn’t see much glitter and big notes in his performaces of Mad World during his media tour in NY this past week.

Of course Adam’s not going to be to everyone’s taste and I’m sure not everyone will want to pay to see him but I have a feeling that enough will to make him successful .. and I’m sure that there are enough people wanting to pay to see Kris too. … It’s all a matter of personal choice .. personally I prefer Adam but I would also pay to see Kris as I quite like him too.

Exactly. I know ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a shock, but yeah A LOT of people prefer Kris to Adam both visually and musically. OTT doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t do it everyone just because ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s louder and gets more à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“attentionà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make it better.

No it’s not a shock at all. People have different tastes, what’s so shocking about that?

Just a thought – but does anyone think that the Rolling Stones article might include a photo of Adam and Drake together?

Good luck to Jennifer! I hope her little one brings her lots of joy.

I don’t think we have anyway of telling who will be more successful in terms of record sales. Only time will tell. I don’t see Adam and Kris as competitors, since their music is likely going to be very different. I wish them both luck.

BTW, Sarah and I are working on a post-Idol project for the blog. Let me know if you’re interested in the details. Email pj_1465@yahoo.com

Spring I dont think its confirmed that Adam will be in Rolling Stones.Its a pathetic rumor until its confirmed.

Actually, I think Adam’s and Kris’s Itunes sales are holding up pretty well, given that it’s coming up on two weeks now since it’s been over. In the “album” chart, where they sell their collected studio singles at a slight discount, Adam’s is still the 8th highest album seller and Kris’s the 29th highest seller. They’re still hanging in there.

On the singles chart, Kris is still hanging in at #11 (No Boundaries) and #20 (Heartless) and Adam’s at #26 (Mad World).

Then their live stuff is still going pretty well in music videos. Adam and Kiss still hold the #1 spot there, with Kris and Keith Urban at #3 with Kiss a Girl. Mad World is at #9 and Heartless at #10. Adam also holds onto #13, 14, 15, 22 29, 30, 32, 33, 35, 37, 39, 41, 46, 47, and 48 spots with various songs.

I don’t know how this compares to last year — different stuff is available this year, obviously. But sales seem to be holding up at least a bit. That doesn’t mean they’re getting new fans, obviously, but at least it says they’re compelling enough for people to keep buying for a couple of weeks, anyway.

A lot of people feel entertained by what you would refuse to pay big money for. Uh letà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s see, Elton John, Billy Joel sitting at the piano. Hmmmà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.lotsa people pay big money for that stuff. Those guys are legends and have made their living off those kind of shows. And most recently John Mayer, Jason Mraz, Matt Nathanson, etc.

You’re absolutely right..However Allen doesnt come close in measuring up to any of those mentioned up there , so one point(linsav’s) doesnt necessarily negate the other (your’s)

I like to be entertained at concerts and refuse to pay big money just to see someone standing there and holding a guitar and not putting on a show. But that is me.

Indeed..its not just you

The North Country article doesn’t leave much for RS to cover…

The winner should outperform the runner-up to justify his win.

I don’t really agree with this. The competition is over after the finale. These 2 are so different, they are no longer competing at all for the same buyer/concert attendee/etc. I guess the fans continue to see their careers as a competition, but the marketplace won’t.

In terms of an international market, I see Adam tapping into the same kind of fans that the Scissor Sisters have. They are primarily seen as a dance pop band, but they do a pretty good variety of music (Elton John played on their last album because he’s a fan). They are a NY band but much bigger overseas than in the US (sadly because they are wonderful). They are HUGE in the UK and Europe. Many people think it’s because of their openly gay and flamboyant lead singer, Jake Shears. Jake has said in interviews that the US market seems to have a harder time with him, which is sad if it’s true.

I have been wondering if Adam might be the person to help make being an openly gay and flamboyant singer okay in today’s US market. After his success on American Idol, he has a pretty wide fan base that spans everything from kids to grandparents. I think his down-to-earth and “edgy with a smile” attitude may help an artist like him be seen as mainstream (whatever that really means). While the Scissor Sisters have been seen as a little alien or exotic because of their NYC club scene roots, Adam brought elements of the West Hollywood club scene into American Idol and made it okay for people to like (which I think is completely hilarious). Whether you like Adam’s music or not, I believe he has already pushed boundaries and brought many people to a new level of acceptance for his kind of music and performance. Let’s face it, Ring of Fire was straight out of the Zodiac Show — just with less makeup!

I really don’t see Adam as a leftover from the glam-rock of the 70′s, although he shares some elements with them. He is a unique product of this time and generation. As a performer, I think he makes it cool to be over-the-top again in a way we haven’t seen for awhile. He is all about escapist entertainment with a message, and I hope he’s able to do great things in the future. Goodness knows we need more entertainers who are just FUN to watch — while I find many current singers musically wonderful, many of them are just so serious.

BTW, I will say that I like both he and Kris, although Adam’s music is more my style. The fact that they are so different as artists really is a boon to AI and their publicity machine. And the fact that they are so darn adorable together is a huge added bonus for everyone. :lol_wp:

oh, and ever since I saw on the AI site that Adam said he used to be fat (240#), I’ve been sorta curious to see a photo of him at that weight and now North Country has included one in their article. Makes him just that much more human to me somehow…and therefore just that much more endearing to me.

I have to say – I like to be entertained at a concert too. I can go to a hotel lounge and be entertained by a dude with a guitar, but to each his own.

BTW – Elton John loved to “play dress up” – haha

I agree with most of the posts here. It’s all a matter of taste. Kris fans will watch Kris concert no matter what as Adam fans will watch Adam’s concert. I hope the debate that Kris will sell more or has more fans than Adam or Adam is better than Kris and has a huge fanbase will no longer be an issue. Both were given an opportunity and the future is theirs to hold and conquer.

I don’t think there’s sufficient enough evidence to say whether itunes is a good indicator for post-show success.

Idol has had a relationship with itunes for what? Two seasons now?

The week after season six, I believe Blake was outselling Jordin, though it wasn’t by a wide margin. Of course, Jordin went on to sell much more than Blake. Last season, David Cook dominated itunes the week after the finale. Unlike season six where the a non-winner(Blake) outsold the winner on itunes, this time the winner outsold everybody else by a very large margin. DC would then go on to outsell everybody else in his season.

In short, two seasons isn’t exactly enough to make an honest projection.

I do think Kris’ first album will outsell Adam’s given he has a niche genre / audience. Unfortunately Adam has a lot of question marks. I think he (Adam) will either be a huge success or a Blake-like flop. We shall see. I wish them both the best though.

This is just an observation. Each year it’s the same thing. The fans assert that this or that particular Idol (winners and contestants) has a ginormous fan base with gazillions of fans worldwide, maybe even a few on the moon or on other planets, too. They are going to change the face of the music industry and are the new (insert icon’s name here, Bowie, Jagger, Elvis, etc) who will leave a lasting mark on music, and perhaps even create a new genre which will be named after them.
And then, after the CD comes out, the record sales unfortunately do not reflect anywhere near a gazillion fans, or at least not a gazillion fans who are willing to shell out $13 for a CD. Maybe like less than a million.
I wonder sometimes if all the hype somehow makes it impossible for these musicians to live up to the expectations placed on them. They’re almost expected to produce a CD with a huge impact (big money in sales, critically acclaimed) instead of simply producing some music their fans can enjoy listening to.

Can someone post a link to the North Country article. Thanks!

The winner should outperform the runner-up to justify his win

The competition is over, so why should he have to? I mean find the dude extremely bland, but it would be unfair if he feels he needs to outperform the runner up all the time.He won a reality tv show, its over…….He, Adam and everyone else from the group who get recording contracts can measure their own paces from now on, and fingers crossed will have good careers.

Its only a competition for the overinvested fans who will continue to pull out numbers etc to justify their fav’s win or loss, but for the singers themselves they just need some good material, some lady luck shining down and some good publicity and it could go any way. Outside the AI bubblegum world I doubt people will be comparing them or expecting them to still compete

I know it’s amazing with 30 million watching the show in the US and 300 million or something worldwide (I made that up), the winner has been lucky to sell 1 million albums total for the past three years.

And as far as I know Kelly Clarkson is the only Idol with huge worldwide sales. Carrie and Daughtry are purely American successes although both huge here of course. Cook seems big in Asia but I don’t know what his actual sales there are.

In terms of the Scissor Sisters, I looked up their sales and while worldwide they sold 2 mil, in the states it was more like 100K. I guess Adam could become an American Idol who does poorly in the states and great worldwide but that would be weird. Plus Americans are incredibly parochial. He’d still be considered a flop here even with those big sales worldwide.

I’m going to hold off on predicting worldwide domination until I hear the album.

BTW – Elton John loved to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“play dress upà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  – haha

He certainly did .. and still does .. I woudn’t call playing a piano dressed as a glittery Donald Duck as being very conservative …lol

Plus a lot of Elton’s concerts are very theatrical and all about special effects .. it’s not just him and his piano .. as shown in this version of Pinball Wizard from earlier this year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CpeWxc2x-w

Here is the link the the nctimes article: http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2009/05/30/entertainment/music/zd53ca84f1e94dc6c882575c100676ed0.txt

Chipmunk do you have Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album? Can you see into the future and tell us if Kris or Adam is going to huge. Dont judge Kris or Adam until after there albums come out.Its unfair to say Kris wont be big.Unlike Adam he fits in with todayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s music and is mainstream

No I can’t , can you? No..so we’re back to projecting and expressing opinions.Its allowed in blogsville. And since I didnt judge or say any of those things I really dont know what you’re on about

Thanks to those who set the record straight about Elton, his glitter, glamour, and theatrics. I’ll throw in and add: anyone who believes Billy Joel spent his lifelong career “sitting at a piano” singing must never have seen him in concert, at least not in his vintage years!!!

newshound61 wrote:

Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re almost expected to produce a CD with a huge impact (big money in sales, critically acclaimed) instead of simply producing some music their fans can enjoy listening to.

They’re definitely stuck with a dilemma. Because they’ve become known on a widely watched tv show, they’re considered prominent artists from before they do their first albums. So, unlike other brand-new artists, they’re not allowed the time to do a medium-good album and then ramp up to one that’s a big artistic success, or be niche artists either permanently or to begin with, because that doesn’t seem like enough sales, or doesn’t produce any *pop* hits, which seem to be the only radio hits that anybody respects. … Fantasia, for example, has had lots of urban radio hits, but she’s still widely counted as an AI failure because she doesn’t get played on pop radio.

Not fair for them. And it makes it especially ridiculous that people say that it should be a contest only for real neophytes who don’t have any professional experience because when you’re in that position, you’re even *less* likely to be able to jump right into big-time pop stardom without any of the building period that other artists are expected to have.

You’re supposed to be a rough-hewn untutored amateur to start, put out an album in six months or less, and then if you don’t immediately go platinum in the U.S. and have a couple of top-20 hits on extremely-hard-to-crack U.S. pop radio, you’re considered a big failure.

Very not fair. Especially because they get there off a tv show — i.e., they’re not voted in by an audience of just music lovers but by an audience that combines music lovers with millions of people who like tv reality shows but don’t buy an album or a song or a concert ticket from anybody, let alone kids on reality tv. So when people hear about those millions of votes, they think they’re hearing — big music star. But a lot of people aren’t even voting on that basis.

Can someone post a link to the North Country article. Thanks!

Its straight up above this thread–one of MJ’s Idol Headlines for today.

oh, and ever since I saw on the AI site that Adam said he used to be fat (240#), Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve been sorta curious to see a photo of him at that weight and now North Country has included one in their article. Makes him just that much more human to me somehowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and therefore just that much more endearing to me.

You know, I have to cringe when I hear him say that he needs to lose weight in recent interviews. I really don’t agree. I hope that no one is telling him otherwise… :/

Adam was not fat. It sucks that people are saying things like that. And I have to cringe when I hear him say that he needs to lose weight in current interviews. No you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t! I hope no one is telling him that nowà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Yes, Adam did used to be fat. He said so himself. Its on the AI site under “Things you may not know”..He said he weighed 240 pounds once. Here’s the link: http://www.americanidol.com/finale/

“Adam: I used to be fat (well, sort of..240 pounds)”

ETA: And if you look at the photos that go along with the NC Times article, one shows him a bit chunky.

Ive also noticed Adam keeps saying how he needs to lose weight. I saw this posted on another board and thought it was hilarious.

http://img269.imageshack.us/my.php?image=24o85d5.jpg

He put on some weight during the competition, and if he says he wants to lose it then good on him. Its his body!

Oh Adam..he doesnt need to lose weight or to change himself.He’s fine.The only thing i would to suggest is makeup tips to his male fans lol.My brother is gay and loves the way Adam looks.

Yeah Adam called himself fat although I would disagree with him. 240 is a little heavy but the photos of him he just looks chubby and adorable. People are always their harshest critics. So I think the only one who really called Adam fat was Adam himself. Fat or thin, black hair or strawberry blond, guyliner & nail polish or clean faced he is adorable.

“I can go to a hotel lounge and be entertained by a dude with a guitar, but to each his own.”

Absolutely to each their own and a dude with a guitar like John Mayer or a girl with a keyboard or piano like Sara Bareilles can sound crazy good in large venues like the Nokia in LA. It’s hard to stereotype when it comes to musical talent and tastes.

Youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re absolutely right..However Allen doesnt come close in measuring up to any of those mentioned up there.

Says you. Who’s to say he someday won’t. No one starts out as a legend. It takes years to reach that status. Not saying Kris will be as big as them dare I sound like a certain other fanbase. BUT I’m just making the point that he could someday be their league. It remains to be seen. I’m most excited about seeing Kris on the tour to be honest. Not just because he won but because he was the most relevant artist out of the bunch to me. Adam’s set might be all glitzy and fun, but he does nothing for me.

Personally, I see Adam going the way of Taylor. Lotsa hype but dismal sales.

Now.. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just waiting for 19 to sign Allison and Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be super happy!

Do you think that her being a minor has anything to do with lack of updates or just that they are trying to pin down Kris and Adam first?

Probably not. Because 19 is contracting with a minor, certain legal steps must be taken for everyone’s mutual benefit and protection to make sure that a binding contract is in place. Otherwise, the contract could be voided by the minor. This was probably taken care of well before top 10.

19 has too much at risk not to fully take all legal steps necessary to bind minors to valid contracts. From brief glimpses into 19′s contracts, it appears that they leave no loose ends.

I cant wait for the tour.I’m dying to see Adam’s stunts but Kris’s singing.

Just MO

Kris will need to sell a lot more albums and sell out more arenas than Adam. The winner should outperform the runner-up to justify his win.

Won’t hapen.

lizardino
May 31st, 2009 at 5:53 pm
In terms of an international market, I see Adam tapping into the same kind of fans that the Scissor Sisters have. They are primarily seen as a dance pop band, but they do a pretty good variety of music (Elton John played on their last album because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a fan). They are a NY band but much bigger overseas than in the US (sadly because they are wonderful). They are HUGE in the UK and Europe.

I agree. I an very much see Adam going down the Scissor Sisters route, I personally love them. I do however feel that he might have a bit more of a rock feel to his music. Possibly with more of a Muse vibe to it; This I base on his pre-AI recordings such as I Got This and The Circle & Glamorize.
Whether he will find a wide appeal or not is in the stars, but regardless of sales I’m sure the music will be interesting.

I think Adam will steal the tour – from what we heard about the live performances on AI – the audience was way more into Adam.

I dont think Taylor was that hyped was he? Simon killed him left and right,I dont remember much that season.I only remember Daughty and screaming when he came in 4th.I think Fantasia was VERY hyped and i giggled when her album came out.

I think if John Mayer,Jason Mraz,Gavin Degraw can sell out arenas then so can Kris.Honestly there is talent there.Just because he’s not shoving you in his face with high notes,glitter and unbelieveable outfits doesnt mean he wont do well.Give the guy a break.His won does count for something.

I think it is interesting that “success after idol” as viewed by many “fans” is the very limited top 40 radio hit, and the amount of albums sold. There are so many additional avenues that “pay well” in the recording industry but do not have the high fan profile of radio singles and physical CDs.

Some former Idols are probably starting to make pretty good money as a songwriter. There are idols who are moving into production and arranging. Idols make money on videos and concert tours and club dates and state fairs. They get paid for tv appearances, and store openings and red carpet walks. Some even get paid for attending corporate parties whether they sing or not. Some do musical theater or guest on multi singer educational programs. They make appearances on tv dramas or comedies, sometimes as themselves or sometimes as a credited actor gig. Some may head to Vegas to headline in a club or a show venue. Singing the National Anthem is a paying gig for many. And many Idols make money hosting entertainment shows that highlight American Idol.

For the fan, success is defined as being #1 in sales and having high visibility, for the Idol success is staying in the music field and having enough money to pay the bills. I think the Idols probably have their heads on straight and are pretty realistic, and I think that there are many fans who have a very limited understanding of the music business and just move on after a few months of hoping their fav will hit it big.

I think if John Mayer,Jason Mraz,Gavin Degraw can sell out arenas then so can Kris.Honestly there is talent there.Just because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not shoving you in his face with high notes,glitter and unbelieveable outfits doesnt mean he wont do well.

Amen. That bears repeating again and again and again.

And btw, Adam wants to do some sort of electronic, dance pop type of music…uh barf. That went out way long ago. Good luck with that.

I am not surprised if DA’s finale songs didn’t sell that well on itunes. He sang, “don’t let the sun go down”, an ancient song,”Imagine”, which had already sold a lot on itunes, plus “In This Moment”, not a great song.

edit: no lecturing or commenting on others comments

The jury is out on the new idols and even last year’s idols and how well they will do long term, but DA has done fantastic so far, with an almost double platinum single, 3/4 of a million album sales and over 100 live almost 100% sold out concerts. I wish thew new guys luck.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I can go to a hotel lounge and be entertained by a dude with a guitar, but to each his own.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Absolutely to each their own and a dude with a guitar like John Mayer or a girl with a keyboard or piano like Sara Bareilles can sound crazy good in large venues like the Nokia in LA. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hard to stereotype when it comes to musical talent and tastes.

I never was much of a concert goer–I hate crowds. I saw Gordon Lightfoot in concert years ago–3 times! Also went to a couple rock concerts and last year I went to see the AI tour concert. As much as I love my rockers, what I hate about their concerts is the screaming fans. I realize that is part of the concert “experience” though, and that’s why I go to so few–that, and the crowd thing. The Lightfoot concerts were a stark contrast–and much more enjoyable. The audience was quiet while he sang–we actually LISTENED to his music. Then, when he finished a song, the applause, whistles and yes, even screams burst forth. Then it would quiet down again as he began the next song. At the AI concert, the shrill screaming never stopped. Was glad to see DC in person, but was happy when it was over. My ears were ringing for two days.
I’d love to see Adam in person–Kris, too. But I doubt I’ll make the concert this year and if I do, I’ll be bringing ear plugs.

Dont forget Sunshine Kris isnt good as those people yet so he doesnt have a chance lol.

And btw, Adam wants to do some sort of electronic, dance pop type of musicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦uh barf. That went out way long ago. Good luck with that.

If you mean Kylie Minoque-esque dance music, then yeah. But dance/electronica-influenced pop is definately in right now, and that’s what Adam seems to want to do.

I havent seen any male singer do dance/electronica in ages.Its a girl thing these days.If Allison wanted to go that route she would do great.I guess
Adam will be the first male this decade to go that dance route.Go figure.

edited: edited the post you were referring to…

That’s true, BubbleGum. But, then again, someone has to do something different or music would never chance. So, I say go for it, Adam!

Also, there are some popular-but-not-mainstream artists that are guys who do electronica. Most of them do well in the UK and Australia, and they are sort of underground-popular in America.

I havent seen any male singer do dance/electronica in ages.Its a girl thing these days.If Allison wanted to go that route she would do great.I guess

That’s a bit sexist …. I never thought that genre’s of music had to be boxed into gender. .. and if there are no males doing it at the moment then surely that means that there’s an opening for someone to change all of that.

Adam will be the first male this decade to go that dance route.Go figure

How great that he will be original then and not just following the crowd like a sheep … but there again that’s Adam .. not frightened to try something new or to stand out from the crowd.

I don’t think we can judge whether Adam will fail or not until we’ve actually heard what he’s going to come up with .. but I sense that a number of people seem a bit obsessed with his impending doom …lol

LOL GeminiDolly, thanks for that.

I dont think Taylor was that hyped was he? Simon killed him left and right

Taylor was more hyped than people want to admit. I remember there were a few music executives that were very high on him, declaring he was what was missing in the music industry.

He was also never in the bottom three, seemed to be a fan favorite (even performed the same song on a results show that he did the night before per request by a celebrity on air — he was the only one that has ever done this) and the judges absolutely loved him…even Simon. Simon may say NOW (after the dust has settled) that he never liked Taylor (or something like that) but that wasn’t entirely true. He didn’t like him during the initial audition and even apologized to him during top 24 night, admiting he was wrong. Simon was constantly praising him and even declared him the winner of the show during top two performance night. So everytime I hear Simon dog Taylor, I laugh a little.

With that said, Adam is probably the most hyped contestant to ever come out of Idol. If Adam would have won, there would be ridiculous amounts of pressure on him to succeed, though he would probably care less about the pressure. Even though he hasn’t won, he’s still constantly talked about. I mean, I would have never thought a non-Idol winner would grace the cover of RS a mere weeks after losing. So if Adam doesn’t sell tons of records or have a slew of hit singles, the media will portray him as another Idol flop.

The AI voting audience is just not the same as the music-buying audience, as many have noted. That is why it is significant if 19, Simon and Randy think Adam and Kris have potential to sell albums. They know what they can market, and as they have said, there is almost zero overlap in marketing plans for the top 2. Kind of like last year.

They will try to get both of them to record songs that would be considered “pop” on the charts (like David Cook- he’ll have to wait to really record a rock album) but since it is such a wide-open genre at this point (everything from Green Day to Jason Mraz to BEP), that is not too hard.

It really takes a few years until the dust settles for anyone to show potential for a longer musical career post-Idol, and if not, they can have a potential career as a TV-show host!

During American Idol: Adam Lambert will waltz to the American Idol crown and go on to be the biggest thing since sliced bread.

I see the hype train continues to chug along, despite the first prediction being a trainwreck.

Matt-Taylor was hyped but i YTed him and he was like..Danny Gokey.He didnt do anything to derserve winning or getting past Daughty.He was entertaining to laugh at but not to listen to.Adam derserved the hype.No but im not his biggest fan but he was great-on the show.He was always on the market on AI.He derserved the hype whether i like him or not.

Taylor was more hyped than people want to admit.

I agree that Taylor was incredibly popular during season 5, however I wouldn’t say that Simon loved him, he qualified quite a few of his performances of terrible and wedding singer like. After Mcphee sung My Destiny it was clear who would be the winner so Simon just didn’t want to look foolish in front of 30 million people.
Daughtry was clearly that year CO and Simon was always pushing Kat McPhee also (he choose her song on top 3 night).

On the Adam thinks he’s too fat issue:

Adam, you might have been a little chunky a while ago. But you’re looking good now. You don’t need to lose weight. We’ve already had an Idol runner-up with a perceived weight problem (Kat McPhee). Please don’t be the second one.

Kris will need to sell a lot more albums and sell out more arenas than Adam. The winner should outperform the runner-up to justify his win.

Uh, not.
The winner justifies his win during the show. That’s it. They’re in a contest and they’re voted for what they do there, as simple as that.
I have no idea who will outsell who, I’d say It looks better for Adam. But there are other things besides the number of sales. As long as Kris can keep on doing what he likes and can keep on putting music out there and doing concerts, I’ll call him successful.
He’ll probably never have the buzz Adam has, if anything because I don’t think Kris wants to be “famous” as opposed to Adam, who seems to be in this not just because of the music, and seems to love the attention from papaz, magazines and so on.
They really have different styles and the competition is over.

As for the international discussion, It seems to be that other than a few Asiatic countries who seem to consume lots of the American culture, American Idol isn’t that popular or known out of US (and Canada?).
Many of the singers people like to compare to Kris are also very popular worldwide. I think his chances of becoming international are as big as Adam’s. It will depend on the label’s strategy.
So far Idol has produced one international star, and even Kelly took a couple of years.

Matt-Taylor was hyped but i YTed him and he was like..Danny Gokey.He didnt do anything to derserve winning or getting past Daughty.

Trust me, I agree. I’m by no means a Taylor Hicks fan, nor was I ever. But that wasn’t my point.

Adam derserved the hype.No but im not his biggest fan but he was great-on the show.He was always on the market
on AI.He derserved the hype whether i like him or not.

This is a matter of opinion. I don’t think he deserved some of the over-the-top comments he got, but that’s just me. Clearly, some people disagree.

I agree that Taylor was incredibly popular during season 5, however I wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t say that Simon loved him, he qualified quite a few of his performances of terrible and wedding singer like.

The only performance I remember Simon calling him wedding-singer-like was his Play That Funky Music performance. That was also the performance where (I believe) he upset Taylor by asking him if he was drunk. In actuality, Simon praised Taylor highly, even after performances where I felt he sounded like ass. Simon likes to believe he was never on the Taylor Hicks train, but that’s not the case.

“But dance/electronica-influenced pop is definately in right now, and thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s what Adam seems to want to do.”

As noted by someone, only females are having success in this genre right now.Dance music isn’t as popular in the US as the rest of the world though and mostly sells singles and not albums.

Taylor was hyped quite abit his season and immediately after he won had a People cover and a Ford commercial featuring him singing which aired 24/7.His season had much bigger ratings than S8 and was real water cooler fodder. However, I think there were doubts from the beginning that he had no current radio genre and wouldn’t move units.

Except for the hard core fans who thought someone from Idol could revolutionaize the music biz. Never happens.

REO SpeedWagon and David A on stage together!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMQGU8op7oU

Kris will need to sell a lot more albums and sell out more arenas than Adam. The winner should outperform the runner-up to justify his win.
Uh, not.

The winner justifies his win during the show. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s it. Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re in a contest and theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re voted for what they do there, as simple as that.

It is really funny, that the original concept of the show has been to> give the winner a record contract.

I don’t get why people can be happy that because of the talent, they sign more people and making it a competition.

At the end with the exposure from Idol and the label behind their back all signed Idols have a good starting point for a music career.
And the rest is talent, hard work and luck.

FROGCOOKE. THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU. I’ve been waiting all day for that video! :jittery_tb:

/fangirl

In other news, and speaking of ex-Idols and non-Idols who are making a reasonable living and doing what they love, there’s a not-quite-confirmed-but-apparently-probably report that Elliott will be touring in August with Marc Broussard:

Elliott Yamin: I love it, man. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not confirmed, but in August, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to be me and Mark Broussard touring together. I think together, weà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re going to have a real soulful show.

I am *so* keeping my fingers crossed that this pans out — they’re both really great live. This would have to be a fabulous show.

OMG lucy if that’s true that will be friggin’ fantastic!

I loved the Archie/REO Speedwagon clip. Maybe Archie will be AI’s first real rock superstar. He’s really rocking that huge stadium for sure.

Elliott Yamin-Mark Broussard show could be incredible. I hope it happens.

Elliotts’ US single FFL is moving by inches here but the single released to Japan You Say is #8 on their BB Hot 100 so he’s an Idol who is currently having more success in Asia than in the States. I hope that changes though and the U.S. catches on that his new music is really good.

spring2009
May 31st, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Eeek – ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s getting kind of nuts here, no?

As a newbie to the whole AI fandom thing I would say yes, but what do I know. I never knew music could be so stressful. LOL.

Wow, jpfan, great news about You Say being #8 in Japan!

Love it that E is *really* huge in Japan. … And who knows? Maybe one day it will translate. In any case, he’s making bucks and making fans, looks like. Yay!

Elliott and Marc Broussard touring together? If they come anywhere near my town, I am there. I hope it happens!

REO SpeedWagon and David A on stage together!

Such a great clip, thank you! Just goes to show, David can sing anything. He’s really got a one in a million voice.

Also, he’s wearing the t-shirt he wore when he performed at the MSG Jingle Ball. haha :king_tb:

I like to be entertained at concerts and refuse to pay big money just to see someone standing there and holding a guitar and not putting on a show. But that is me.

One thing I’ve noticed is that some people just don’t like the whole genre of music Kris represents. It isn’t about him as much as the style of music he performs. He’s not going to change drastically, so, yeah, anyone is free not to like it. Likewise, if you consider him boring it’s likely you find a lot of the artists in his general style or genre boring. Also okay.

I think if John Mayer,Jason Mraz,Gavin Degraw can sell out arenas then so can Kris.Honestly there is talent there.Just because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not shoving you in his face with high notes,glitter and unbelieveable outfits doesnt mean he wont do well.

I notice that some people don’t like a lot of genres of music that involve people “just” performing songs at concerts. That’s fine. But I just want to note, that is a huge amount of pop music not to like. Tony Bennet just stands there and sings. Gordon Lightfoot just performs his songs, nothing more (as someone pointed out already). There are so many current artists and bands who are similar. I’d say they might even make up the majority of people performing today in the music business. Even many very popular bands in the soft rock or indie genres don’t put on “shows.” Same with many folk and country stars. So Kris is in good company.

I have no idea who will outsell who, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say It looks better for Adam. But there are other things besides the number of sales. As long as Kris can keep on doing what he likes and can keep on putting music out there and doing concerts, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll call him successful.
Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll probably never have the buzz Adam has, if anything because I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think Kris wants to be à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“famousà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  as opposed to Adam, who seems to be in this not just because of the music, and seems to love the attention from papaz, magazines and so on. They really have different styles and the competition is over.

I completely agree. The idea that as soon Adam outsells Kris we’ll have proof Adam should have won is too simplistic. Kris and Adam are looking for different things – Kris wants to make good music and be respected, Adam wants to make good music and be a super-star. Adam will be in the public eye and be a media-darling. Kris will keep doing his thing under the radar. And both will be happy.

They also have different styles of music, and unless one tanks or takes over the world, I don’t think we can make too many conclusions from album sales. I think in the short-run, Kris will need to put out a great album, while Adam’s buzz will put a little less emphasis on the music. His whole stage persona will also help him sell out huge stadiums, while Kris may be more suited to smaller intimate venues.

I think both could do well internationally, but I see the label pushing Adam in that market far more than Kris.

Now the show is over, I think the titles of winner and runner-up are irrelevant and both need to just get on and do their thing. And I don’t see how we can keep treating their careers as a competition, when they’re barely even playing the same game in my opinion.

TBTP or TPTB … I’m embarrassed but what does that mean?

Adam needs to be on Jools Holland.. fast.

ETA: Also, I do agree the European market is open for Adam. Mika, Scissor Sisters, Sam Sparro, Darren Hayes.

TPTB = The Powers That Be (the producers)

There are so many current artists and bands who are similar. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say they might even make up the majority of people performing today in the music business.

Sorry to take this out of context, but it just struck me because this is exactly what always bugged me about Kris. Not that he’s not a super nice, talented guy. I wish him well, I’m just not sure how he’s going to stand out in a crowd.

Now the show is over, I think the titles of winner and runner-up are irrelevant and both need to just get on and do their thing. And I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see how we can keep treating their careers as a competition, when theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re barely even playing the same game in my opinion.

Truer words.

frogcooke, thanks so much for that vid! DA looks like he’s having a great time up there. Good stuff.

On another note:

Re listening to a talented piano player – singer in a large venue., well it doesn’t always work.
Diana Krall, who I love, was “lost” in the open air amphitheater in Santa Barbara. Many of us drove up from San Diego to watch her in concert (venue seats about 8,000 – 10,000?) and we were sooo bored. Couldn’t wait for the show to end. Whatever charisma she has was totallly lost in that venure. Her singing and piano-playing style would be much better suited to a more intimate setting.

So, it doesn’t matter if you are really well-loved and put out great CDs (which Ms Krall is and does) your talents still may not translate well in a concert-type venue.

I loved the Archie/REO Speedwagon clip. Maybe Archie will be AIà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first real rock superstar. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s really rocking that huge stadium for sure.

Not only did Archie hold his own with Cook in Manila before a crowd of 50,000, but it was all Cook could do to keep up with the kid. And the UK went nuts for him when he toured there with McFly.

Sorry to take this out of context, but it just struck me because this is exactly what always bugged me about Kris. Not that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not a super nice, talented guy. I wish him well, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just not sure how heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to stand out in a crowd.

Actually, people were saying the same thing about Daughtry in Season 5. That his music was too like what was already out there and he was too cookie-cutter. Well, he’s doing pretty well, I’d say.

I’m actually not concerned over whether Kris or Adam sells more. I like them both. I’m a bit concerned for Jason, since his album is likely to drop around the same time as Kris’ and they have the same vibe, but Jason won’t get the the push that comes with being the winner of AI.

In the kind of genre that Kris wants to head into, I think good music and strong lyrics stand out. I personally think the writing in Brand New Shoes was pretty good, so if he has any input I don’t think what he comes up with in the five seconds they give these idols to come out with an album will be badly written.

Besides, I think anyone backed by the AI machine will have plenty of opportunities to stand out. The music will determine if they can maintain a presence.

Thanks frogcooke for the vid of REO SpeedWagon and David A on stage together!

Dang I wish I could have been there.

Ha Ha Ha Archie doing Rock, I luv it. I bet he was sooooo excited about being on stage wth them and they got a lot of peeps. lol

We dont know what the future holds.There was a adam hype all season and he lost- his album could flop.People kept on saying Kris didnt have a chance and he made it-his album might sell good.We can expect the best or the worst.

Once Adam admits he’s gay he will fly out of the media.Its sad but true.Both guys need to prove that there true artist and musicans.

watching the mtv movie awards and no sign of adam yet

Not that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not a super nice, talented guy. I wish him well, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just not sure how heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to stand out in a crowd.

They said the same thing about Archie last year–and he hasn’t stopped touring to sold-out venues ever since.

I love Archie.I went to one of his concerts and he was great.There were alot of people last year saying Archie wont sell out because he only did ballads on the show.I love his music and I cant wait to see him get further.His concerts are fun.I need to go to another.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m actually not concerned over whether Kris or Adam sells more. I like them both. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a bit concerned for Jason, since his album is likely to drop around the same time as Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ and they have the same vibe, but Jason wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get the the push that comes with being the winner of AI.

It will be interesting to see what Jive does with Kris. I’m a little concerned with them as a label based on their influence with Archie. From what I’ve heard Archie has had a tough time convincing Jive to let him make the more organic sounding music he wants For examples, look at David’s songs “Somebody Out There” and “Works for Me” which the label refused to put on his main debut album.

I sure hope it won’t be the case, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Jive tried to market Kris a bit like Nick Lachey. Really I don’t think the label is a fit for him, but time will tell. They don’t seem to have a strong Mrazzy kind of a roster…

I agree with pj’s analysis. Kris is getting alot of the same comments Daughtry got. That he’s too similar to everything else out there. I believe we began referring to him as CreedNicklebackDaughtryHinder….. or some such thing.

And, like Adam, Taylor was supposed to revolutionize the music industry and bring back “good” music (disclaimer: I am a Taylor fan). He was on the cover of People’s most eligible bachlors issue, had the Ford commercial that jpfan mentioned running constantly and got a very nice article written about him in Vibe magazine and Relix magazine if I remember correctly.

Taylor blew away the competition during his season and Season 5′s ratings blew Season 8′s rating out of the water. Taylor is making a nice living, I’m sure, but he certainly isn’t doing what was “expected”.

The point is, there is no way, at this point, to accurately predict what will happen to anyone, but if Kris is Daughtry, and Adam is Taylor, I think Kris wins. I personally am a fan of both and hope they both are successful – with success being defined by them, not their fans or the media.

I loved the Archie/REO Speedwagon clip. Maybe Archie will be AIà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first real rock superstar.

REO Speedwagon isn’t rock. It’s Adult Contemporary schlock…

Kris has said that he doesnt like being compared to Mraz.He found it to be a lazy comment from the judges.So i wonder where he sees himself as a artist.
I can see them making Kris into a nick lachey.

I notice something about the Jive label.MOST of there artist are also known as celebs.I mean Justin Timberlake,Archie,Brittany Spears,Chris Brown.They are more celebs then artist.I think maybe he was signed there because they also want him to get his fair of the media and Jive is good at promoting both music and media treatment.

Despite not being a real big CD seller, Taylor Hicks managed to make the top 10 Idol alumni earners for last year. Missing from the list were actual Idol winners , Rueben and Fantasia. Clay and Archie were runners up on the list and Daughtry, Pickler and J Hudson rounded out the list. Even those who aren’t selling huge numbers of downloads and CD can still make a living far better than what they were making before Idol. Success seems to be, like music, not everyone is on the same page.

And, like Adam, Taylor was supposed to revolutionize the music industry and bring back à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“goodà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  music (disclaimer: I am a Taylor fan). He was on the cover of Peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s most eligible bachlors issue, had the Ford commercial that jpfan mentioned running constantly and got a very nice article written about him in Vibe magazine and Relix magazine if I remember correctly.

Anddd, this also reminds me of Blake Lewis. He was supposedly really different and a lot of people thought he would do well post-idol but his first album sorta flopped.

What happened to Josiah Leming? I haven’t heard anything from him since his EP was released ages ago. Is he still with Warner Bros? When is his album supposed to drop? I’ve been looking forward to it.

Back to the endorsement thing, I’ve been thinking all along that Adam should do some kind of clothing line. Leather jackets and boots would be awesome. But Adam could also do icecream. That would be so cute. Adam is so gorgeous he really could do anything. His second career could be male model. By the way Adam, if you’re listening, you have a great bod!

I agree with pjà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s analysis. Kris is getting alot of the same comments Daughtry got. That heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s too similar to everything else out there. I believe we began referring to him as CreedNicklebackDaughtryHinderà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.. or some such thing.

And, like Adam, Taylor was supposed to revolutionize the music industry and bring back à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“goodà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  music (disclaimer: I am a Taylor fan). He was on the cover of Peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s most eligible bachlors issue, had the Ford commercial that jpfan mentioned running constantly and got a very nice article written about him in Vibe magazine and Relix magazine if I remember correctly.

YEP. I predicted during Season 5 that Daughtry would have more mainstream success than Taylor because he fit more easily into the current marketplace, and I nearly had my head cut off. LOL. The responses I got were along the lines that Chris was too boring and cookie-cutter to be successful, while Taylor was exciting and would bring something new to pop music.

That first record is made quickly and is made to fit into a niche that already exits. Idol isn’t out to break new ground or introduce change. It’s about commerce–selling as many records as possible.

Idol superstars like Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry have something in common–they’ve got easily definable styles that transferred seamlessly into the marketplace.

I see Kris as exactly that kind of artist. He knows who he is as an artist, and I suspect the record he eventually makes won’t be a surprise to his fans.

Only time will tell, but I expect Kris to be very successful.

If Adam ever came out with his own clothing line…I want his snakeskin boots.
They are hot and I like style that is differant.

REO Speedwagon isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t rock. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Adult Contemporary schlockà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Current circa REO Stationwagon is schlock for sure.
But vintage 70′s REO was rock of the highest order.

Yeah, right? I love the boots. That’s about as expressive as I get with my wardrobe, so I definitely can get into boots. Kris could also sell anything. He has this Mr. America thing going on– super cute and sweet… I wish both of them great success.

watching the mtv movie awards and no sign of adam yet

Someone posted earlier today that he wouldn’t be on afterall—due to a schedule conflict.

I really think that there’s going to be a lot of disappointment if/when Adam fails to live up to the nearly impossibly high standards that have been set for him by fans and the media. I can’t imagine him doing well in the mainstream at all to be honest. The right person DEFINITELY won this season. The person with the best and most legitimate shot at mainstream music success was always Kris and America most definitely got it right, thank God!

I think those boots need there own article in a magazine lol.That’s one thing about Adam.I may not like his music but I want his style because its so fresh and most men wouldnt dare to pull off what he does.I also cant see anyone else working those boots.

I can see Kris pulling a Carrie underwood.Most idols never want to come back to the stage but Carrie remembers how she started out on idol and always comes back every year.I see Kris doing the same.He’s the type to owe his success to Idol and want to do what Carrie does which is coming back
every year to perform and giving back.

Bubblegum, that was nice to say and I have to also say Kris looks cute in his sneaks.

well, i was holding out hope since both the “he is” and “he isnt” statements were released the same day… and the “he isnt” was from a sightly less reputable source.

(just wishful thinking on my part, im sure)

im watching anyways because andy samberg is another celebrity boyfriend of mine :wub_tb:

…but im getting kind of sick of watching the parade of twilight awards, so i might change the channel soon.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦but im getting kind of sick of watching the parade of twilight awards, so i might change the channel soon.

I’m sick of them too… but I can’t make myself change it because I’m afraid I’ll miss Adam if my some tiny chance he happens to be there…

It will be interesting to see what Jive does with Kris. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m a little concerned with them as a label based on their influence with Archie.

Ironically, Adam might be the guy who should be with Jive–since he wants to do a dance album. Archie wants to do something more acoustical, but his Zero Gravity may have paved the way for a dance album instead–the song’s been terrifically popular on tours.

Hmmm……if Adam isn’t there I wonder if it’s because of the leak about the RS cover and story and they don’t want him doing any public appearances before it is released?

Most idols never want to come back to the stage but Carrie remembers how she started out on idol and always comes back every year.

I think most Idols would kill to come back to the stage and perform for 20 million viewers and get the giant Idol sales bump. It’s my impression the show doesn’t generally bring them back (except for the first season after theirs) unless they become really successful or are winners.

Idol superstars like Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry have something in commonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve got easily definable styles that transferred seamlessly into the marketplace.

Kelly is not the same Kelly that was on AI. She was more soul/R&B and is now pop rock. Her sound changed once she took 19 to court and got out of that contract…… I do not put her in the same category as Daughtry and Carrie.

Carrie was always a country singer… it would be pointless to put her somewhere else, and country is a completely different world than other genres of music.

As far as Daughtry is concerned. I don’t really get the comparisons to Kris Allen. Daughtry is one of the biggest upsets in AI history. His sound is not all that different when compared to the music industry as a whole, but he was VERY different from what AI was used to. I would compare Daughtry to Adam more in that sense. Kris Allen is nothing new, and does not have the charisma or stage presence of Daughtry.

I agree that Kris will not “surprise” his fans with his record, but the question is will he garner new fans? We don’t know that yet, and won’t know if that until his album drops. I still think Kris should go the country route, but he doesn’t want to do that so we shall wait and see what happens. I would also like to make the point that a lot of best selling artists right now are not the typical “mainstream” artist, which is great. One person’s ideal of “mainstream” is not another’s.

As far as comparing Adam to Taylor Hicks well….. I’m just going to let that one go….. LOL Taylor won on personality. He was “different” by AI standards, but people said all season that he would be the least marketable and less likely to garner large record sales. The fact that he isn’t selling much isn’t really a surprise. Everyone knew Daughtry would be the breakout star of that season.

So in my opinion, to use season 5 as an example to say Kris will outdo Adam or to predict Adam’s doom as so many on here like to do makes no sense. In fact, using Season 6 makes no sense either because people are still complaining that Blake and Jordin (moreso Blake) made it to the final and Melinda Doolittle did not.

Also, if I’m not mistaking, Season 5 was the highest rated show yet, while this season was the lowest rating… People are losing interest in not only the show, but also the contestants.

Success seems to be, like music, not everyone is on the same page.

Yes. Success can be measured in lots of different ways. So its pointless to say one is more “successful” than the other.

But vintage 70à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s REO was rock of the highest order.

I disagree–I thought their 70′s stuff was better than what came later, but still bombastic. As always, your mileage may vary.

Take this with a grain of salt but someone on IDF says they received a text from someone at the awards and Adam is there sitting with a guy. They dont know what Drake looks like so cant confirm if thats who Adam is sitting with. To believe or not to believe? hmmmm

Kelly is not the same Kelly that was on AI. She was more soul/R&B and is now pop rock. Her sound changed once she took 19 to court and got out of that contractà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I do not put her in the same category as Daughtry and Carrie.

But her first album out of the gate was exactly what she performed on Idol. She evolved later.

As far as Daughtry is concerned. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t really get the comparisons to Kris Allen. Daughtry is one of the biggest upsets in AI history.

I’m not comparing their music. I’m comparing their marketability. Both represent styles that are definable and current. Daughtry was in the marketplace exactly as he was on Idol. I expect Kris will be as well.

His sound is not all that different when compared to the music industry as a whole, but he was VERY different from what AI was used to.

I would say Kris Allen was a) an upset like Daughtry–he was cannon fodder who wasn’t expected to go far b) a very different sort of winner–Idol’s first singer songwriter. Brooke and Jason paved the way last year, Kris took it home.

oops

By reading the comments, anyone would think that only one contestant can be successful each season. Does it always have to come down to Daughtry – Taylor comparisons? I mean, last year we had the Davids, both are doing pretty well without going to those extremes.

I really do wish Kris Allen the best, I believe that, in order to become successful in his genre, he has to prove that he can be a good songwriter, his voice is not my cup of tea but I have a lot of respect for his talent and believe that he will be able to; in Adam’s case, I do believe that he really has the IT factor going on (of course, not everyone agrees I know), I believe he can make interesting mainstream pop music, but I’ve never expected him to re-invent anything other than his own performances.

Kris is a talented winner. and Adam is an amazingly talented runner-up, can we give the benefit of the doubt to both of them and expect that both singers become successful in their own genres?

Take this with a grain of salt but someone on IDF says they received a text from someone at the awards and Adam is there sitting with a guy. They dont know what Drake looks like so cant confirm if thats who Adam is sitting with. To believe or not to believe? hmmmm

Perhaps the guy he’s sitting with is Danny .. but they’re sitting together in a godly way.

Take this with a grain of salt but someone on IDF says they received a text from someone at the awards and Adam is there sitting with a guy. They dont know what Drake looks like so cant confirm if thats who Adam is sitting with. To believe or not to believe? hmmmm

I always believe photographic evidence and I would think if he’s there with a guy before RS then it’s his bodyguard he is with. After all, he attended Hair with Roger W and his bodyguard.

Take this with a grain of salt but someone on IDF says they received a text from someone at the awards and Adam is there sitting with a guy. They dont know what Drake looks like so cant confirm if thats who Adam is sitting with. To believe or not to believe? hmmmm

I hope he’s there, because 1) that would be good publicity for him and 2) I just want to see him. :tongue1_tb:

ETA: Oh, and I agree with Clearone, the guy is probably his bodyguard.

I hope Adam sitting with Danny is a ungodly joke.If anyone should sit next to Adam its Kris because i need Kradam moment.

what is IDF?

ETA: thank you Victoria

IDF = Idolforums.com

Ironically, Adam might be the guy who should be with Jiveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’since he wants to do a dance album.

Yeah this is a good point – why isn’t Adam going with Jive? They have Britney, Pink, JT, the type of artists they seem to want Adam to become (internationally popular pop, iconic, style/image driven…)

That first record is made quickly and is made to fit into a niche that already exits. Idol isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t out to break new ground or introduce change. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s about commerceà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’selling as many records as possible.

Idol superstars like Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry have something in commonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve got easily definable styles that transferred seamlessly into the marketplace.

See, I think Kris and Adam actually both fit this, so I don’t expect either to flop, really. Unlike Taylor, Adam does fit in the marketplace and if his demos signify anything, it’s a style that is popular on the marketplace. Same with Kris, just a different marketplace. I do think Adam has a persona that is about re-inventing (like another poster said), not music as a whole. I do agree with Simon in that I think Adam has a better chance at an international career though from living abroad; Adam’s style is there. I do think both of them have a fair chance of appealing to non-AI fans.

I just don’t see this as a Daughtry-Hicks situation (granted, I don’t see the appeal of either, but I could see how Daughtry fits in a scene I loathe, where as Hicks didn’t fit in anything I could see).

someone posted in the comments of the ew mtv preview article that “adam was sitting in the 5th row” …. seems as though they saw him but ive seen nothing.

oh how adam reduces us to obsessive sleuths for a few seconds of footage.

Hmmmà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦if Adam isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t there I wonder if ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s because of the leak about the RS cover and story and they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want him doing any public appearances before it is released?

Huh?

I, personally, wasn’t using Season 5 to say Kris would outsell Adam or to predict Adam’s doom. They were my two favs this season. I’m only using season 5 as an example to illustrate that not all of the fans predictions, right out of the gate, are accurate. People are expecting an awful lot from Adam, maybe he’ll deliver. More likely, he’ll have a career somewhat less than his fans expect.

As for Daughtry’s stage presence, that’s subjective, I don’t think he has any.

GeminiDolly May 31st, 2009 at 10:05 pm

Take this with a grain of salt but someone on IDF says they received a text from someone at the awards and Adam is there sitting with a guy. They dont know what Drake looks like so cant confirm if thats who Adam is sitting with. To believe or not to believe? hmmmm

If he is there and sitting with a guy the chances are it is his bodyguard just like when he was in the audience at the “Hair” performance.

Gordon Lightfoot just performs his songs, nothing more (as someone pointed out already).

Is he still alive?

REO SpeedWagon and David A on stage together!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMQGU8op7oU

Wow–what a surprise. That was great. It looked like that lead singer guy didn’t love sharing the mic toward the end there. Geez–David has a great voice.

did you see the link to where Jennifer Hudson’s publicist said, in late April, that Jennifer was not pregnant? I do not get denying a pregnancy once a woman is about 4 months along. Whoever does the denying just looks like an idiot later.

OK from reading the comments it seems there has been no confirmation that Adam is at the awards. If indeed he is there, I assume there will be video and/or pics up all over the web tomorrow, since he can’t get a pedicure without pics ending up on the net (I’m not complaining…).

What a cool job to be Adam’s bodyguard…he gets to see all the shows–including Adam’s.

I dont believe Adam is at the MTV awards. Ryan Seacrest would have tweeted about him there. LOL

Someone posted that Adam is not at MTV awards due to conflict of schedule. So I’ll take it as a grain of salt until we see a video clip here at mj’s blog.

LOL. geminidolly. so true. we can always count on ryan for adam’s personal play by play!

One must fail and one (and only one) must succeed. That is the Idol-Fantard mantra.

Two men enter, one man leaves. (Beyond Thunderdome)

GeminiDolly – you are correct. Between Seacreast & Perez, who both have blatant crushes on Adam, his every move is blogged…which works for me since I really, really miss seeing him every Tuesday

I just checked the red carpet and arrival pics at Wireimage… no sign of Adam. Not sure where that rumor came from.

“Kelly is not the same Kelly that was on AI. She was more soul/R&B and is now pop rock. Her sound changed once she took 19 to court and got out of that contract”

Kelly was still with 19 when she made Breakaway. They’re the ones who got her the song Breakaway. Kelly thanked Simon Fuller and the people of 19 in the liner notes for helping her make that album. She didn’t leave 19 until about a month after Breakaway came out. My December and All I Ever Wanted are the 2 albums Kelly’s made without 19 Management but she’s still with 19 Entertainment.

There’s no confirmation Kelly took anybody to court either. Hasn’t she always said things ended with 19 Management because her contract ended naturally.

sigh… yeah im thinking he’s not there. ryan did tweet about the awards (about eminem throwing a tantrum in case you missed it) and im sure he would have mentioned adam.

for all you mraz fans, here is his blog post from the day he appeared on the finale. apparently he had a case of the sads but was really excited to be on AI.

http://freshnessfactorfivethousand.blogspot.com/2009/05/too-long-to-twitter.html

But her first album out of the gate was exactly what she performed on Idol. She evolved later.

Yup, and it didn’t do as well as when she took creative freedom and performed Pop Rock. Being the typical “mainstream” artist didn’t really work for Kelly, plus that isn’t what she is known for. Kelly became Kelly when she brought her rock out. That is why her second album sold 14 million copies versus her Idol intro CD, which sold around 4 million. After Kelly’s evolution from the show, she also garnered most of her endorsements, her grammies, etc.

This is a quote from Kelly’s website: “I never want to make just one sound,” says Kelly Clarkson. “The worst thing to me is when all the songs on an album sound the same. If you have that choice, why wouldn’t you want to bring out all the different sides and colors of your personality?”

Sound familiar anyone???

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not comparing their music. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m comparing their marketability. Both represent styles that are definable and current. Daughtry was in the marketplace exactly as he was on Idol. I expect Kris will be as well.

A lot of marketing experts are saying Kris may have a problem with his marketability because he doesn’t stand out and is one of the same. Of course we will have to wait and see. Different people appeal to different things. Daughtry has the same style since Idol, but it is waaaay more definable than Kris’s. Daughtry has such an edge to him, and has more of a sexy/manly man type of persona, while Kris is like a little puppy dog. I’m not saying one is better than the other, since it depends on which market you are targeting, but its funny how most of the idol contestants with the most edge seem to be doing the best…….

I would say Kris Allen was a) an upset like Daughtryà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’he was cannon fodder who wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t expected to go far b) a very different sort of winnerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’Idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s first singer songwriter. Brooke and Jason paved the way last year, Kris took it home.

Eh. I disagree. A lot of people didn’t think Adam was going to win. Most people WANTED him to win. People weren’t upset or surprised that Kris won, but they were mad because they thought Adam deserved to win…. there’s a difference. Even Kara said on the view that she wasn’t surprised, she expected Danny’s votes to go to Kris. She didn’t say Kris’s arrangements and/or guitar playing sealed the win for him. Once those pictures came out about Adam, and it became a media “culture war” it was a done deal Adam wasn’t winning. Plus, Adam refused to conform and change himself. Cudos to him, but it cost him the crown. Personally, I’d rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not, so I’m glad he didn’t compromise himself to win a silly reality tv show. Especially since he still gets a record deal out of it, and now the important stuff starts.

I don’t see Kris as a different type of winner. He’s very safe like all of the rest of them. Cook was actually the first singer songwriter to me, except again Cook has a certain Rock edge to him as well. But again, thats just my opinion.

In the end, it depends on what market the companies are going to have Kris and Adam target. For me personally, Adam is more marketable because frankly he’s more interesting to me. I went to school with a lot of Kris’s, but I never met an Adam. I think Adam could sell more. However, I admit that Kris being like the average joe or whatever can work in his favor. Again, it depends on who is being targeted. But Daughtry and Kelly have an edge to them, so I think comparing them to Kris is not accurate. Now comparing Kris to Carrie might work.

Kris and Adam aren’t competing against just each other anymore. There’s a whole music industry out there now! They are the least of each others worries.

Maybe another rumor, but someone posted at EW that Adam was sitting in the fifth row. Won’t believe it until I see it.

I’ve just read the thread on IDF where the poster who just seemed to register tonight is talking about Adam being at the MTV awards sitting next to a guy “shock horror” …. who could of course be a bodyguard, a friend, or just some random guy he’s been told to sit next too …lol

From reading the thread I think that the poster is taking the p*ss and is just after a bit of attention for themselves .. but I’m a total cynic about everything ..lol

Of course I could be totally wrong

I still think Kris should go the country route, but he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to do that so we shall wait and see what happens.

Why do you think he should go that route, unique28v?
Because he plays guitar, and is from the south? That’s a bit of a stereotype. If Kris wanted to be a country artist, he’d be that already.

I don’t think a singer-songwriter can be plugged into another genre and just become that type of performer. He/she has to feel it, and if not, they wouldn’t be very successful at it.

[ I wrote:] There are so many current artists and bands who are similar. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d say they might even make up the majority of people performing today in the music business.

Sorry to take this out of context, but it just struck me because this is exactly what always bugged me about Kris. Not that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not a super nice, talented guy. I wish him well, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m just not sure how heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to stand out in a crowd

All I was trying to point out is that there are artists in all genres who don’t necessarily put on big, theatrical concerts. I wasn’t saying the artists were similar to each other or Kris.

I’ve read people’s comments who say Kris is country, or can make a Nick Lachey type album, or certain other things that make me wonder if they watched the same show I did. I actually think Kris comes across as Kris, as a carbon copy of nobody, and he’s not as easy to pigeonhole as people suppose.

Kris is a talented winner. and Adam is an amazingly talented runner-up, can we give the benefit of the doubt to both of them and expect that both singers become successful in their own genres?

Yep, this is the mantra, and why I am trying tostay above the fray, cause it gets tedious after a while.

I must say that I think this season will be like last season, both will have pretty decent debuts. I do think that Adam will be just fine. He won’t disappear. He won’t be biced, or the become the chew toy that Idol has made Taylor. I always thought that the music wasn’t why tptb were turned off by Taylor and his win, but that he and his fans didn’t represent the demographic that they wanted for the show. They weren’t proud of the grey haired guy and his 40 plus year old fans. I know it’s a bit of a generalization, but not to far off either. And he wasn’t malleable…..

See, I think Kris and Adam actually both fit this, so I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t expect either to flop, really. Unlike Taylor, Adam does fit in the marketplace and if his demos signify anything, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a style that is popular on the marketplace. Same with Kris, just a different marketplace. I do think Adam has a persona that is about re-inventing (like another poster said), not music as a whole. I do agree with Simon in that I think Adam has a better chance at an international career though from living abroad; Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s style is there. I do think both of them have a fair chance of appealing to non-AI fans.

Yup yup. I agree 110%.

I just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see this as a Daughtry-Hicks situation (granted, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see the appeal of either, but I could see how Daughtry fits in a scene I loathe, where as Hicks didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t fit in anything I could see).

I just think its wishful thinking that Adam flops for some people. LOL The obsession about Adam is truly amazing. I also think some of it is because Simon ranked Kris above Taylor but below Ruben that has people now saying that Adam is more of a Taylor than Kris. Neither one of them reminds me of Taylor but hey, thats just my opinion. Either way, all of this talk pretty much guarantees that Adam won’t flop. The more haters one has, the more popular and successful one gets. Its amazing how that seems to work out that way…..

Lets not say that kris is ‘safe’ until his album comes out.People said Archie was going to be safe and is album is anything but what he did on Idol.

I seen people compare Kris to Kelly and Daughty.They knew what kind of artist they wanted to be and thats why they sold alot.Music-wise no I wouldnt compare the three.Adam doesnt know what kind of artist he wants to be.Sorry Adam fans but I dont see Rock/Dance/Pop/Techno really working.Kris knows what kind of artist he wants to be.You dont see him changing his genre when he talks about what kind of album he wants.

Kris is a talented winner. and Adam is an amazingly talented runner-up, can we give the benefit of the doubt to both of them and expect that both singers become successful in their own genres?

That would just make too much sense I’m afraid. lol

They werenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t proud of the grey haired guy and his 40 plus year old fans.

Exactly! I remember Taylor’s audition where Simon said that Taylor proved how it wasn’t just about the voice. Simon didn’t like his look, antics, etc. It wasn’t about the music, it was about the “package”.

I just think its wishful thinking that Adam flops for some people. LOL The obsession about Adam is truly amazing. I also think some of it is because Simon ranked Kris above Taylor but below Ruben that has people now saying that Adam is more of a Taylor than Kris. Neither one of them reminds me of Taylor but hey, thats just my opinion. Either way, all of this talk pretty much guarantees that Adam wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t flop. The more haters one has, the more popular and successful one gets. Its amazing how that seems to work out that wayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..

I keep editing you, but you don’t seem to be getting the rules around here.

You need to dial back the defensiveness. If it bothers you to read criticism of Adam, maybe my blog isn’t for you.

My rules:

DON’T question the motives of your fellow posters OR put words in their mouths

Earlier posts regarding Idols and endorsements, I recall a few others.
Mandisa got the Ashley Gray? endorsement after she wore that pretty black dress on AI. Kimberly Locke had the Lane Bryant endorsement for several years. Kim Caldwell just got a jeans campaign and didn’t Fantasia also do a jeans campaign? Kat also had a 2 yr. deal with Neutrogena. Carrie also got the endorsesment deal for Hersheys chocolate. btw Just read that carrie was runner up in Miss NSU beauty pagent when she was in college there. Jennifer Hudson got endorsements from the Gap and Avon. Carrie also got the Nintendo endorsement for the small handheld game.
David Radford, can’t even remember him, from 2006 season got the OCW internet company endorsement.

Bo Bice didnt get the endorsement, but Peavey Guitars put him on the cover of their catalog in 2006. Great pic!

I just read the Rock of Ages, in which Constantine has gotten a Tony nomination, has been optioned for a movie. If he gets the Tony, the writer said he would have a good chance at the movie too.

Watched arrivals at tonight’s MTV Awards and there was no sign of Adam. Watching them now on TV and still no sign of Adam. I really do think that rumour of him being there with a guy is just.. A rumour.
However, This happened at the awards tonight and it was hilarious.

Why do you think he should go that route, unique 28v?
Because he plays guitar, and is from the south? Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a bit of a stereotype. If Kris wanted to be a country artist, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d be that already.

LOL. Don’t put words in my mouth ross!! Its all good though, I don’t get defensive. I do love a good debate!

Kris just sounds country to me. That one song he did, “to make you feel like my love” or something like that… I should know it since I downloaded it… anyways, I just always get a country vibe from him when he sings. When I see and hear him I think country. Other people must too because Kris said in an interview that he was scared people would think he should do country and that is not what he wants to do.

One thing I do agree with you Ross is that you can’t just throw a singer-songwriter into just any genre. Although, I think someone like Alecia Keys could adapt. It depends on that particular person. But on the flip side, just because a person can adapt to a different genre doesn’t make them any better or worse than someone who can’t. Its just different. Different does not necessarily equal deficient.

Its the same thing with people who put on theatrical type concerts (ex. Michael Jackson, Prince, most rock bands, Beyonce, etc.) You are right that being theatrical is just one type of entertainment. However, I still maintain that different does not equal deficient. There are different ways to entertain and the key is finding your “niche”. there’s room for everyone.

I would rather have people keep talking and think that Adam will flop so that when his time comes and he didn’t flop, I will put a big smile on my face.

I just read the Rock of Ages, in which Constantine has gotten a Tony nomination, has been optioned for a movie. If he gets the Tony, the writer said he would have a good chance at the movie too.

Definitely. Getting a Tony is no joke. That would be an awesome achievement and would open so many doors for Constantine.

Another topic, regarding artists not wanting to be “boxed” in a particular genre or sound, I think Ms. Clarkson says it best: à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I never want to make just one sound,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  says Kelly Clarkson. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The worst thing to me is when all the songs on an album sound the same. If you have that choice, why wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t you want to bring out all the different sides and colors of your personality?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

I never got the country vibe from Kris.I’m expecting the un-expected from Kris.And I’m expecting Dance/pop from Adam.

Kris just sounds country to me. That one song he did, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“to make you feel like my loveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or something like thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I should know it since I downloaded ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ anyways, I just always get a country vibe from him when he sings. When I see and hear him I think country. Other people must too because Kris said in an interview that he was scared people would think he should do country and that is not what he wants to do.

Erm… yeah, but wasn’t that on country week?

Another topic, regarding artists not wanting to be à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“boxedà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in a particular genre or sound, I think Ms. Clarkson says it best: à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“I never want to make just one sound,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  says Kelly Clarkson. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The worst thing to me is when all the songs on an album sound the same. If you have that choice, why wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t you want to bring out all the different sides and colors of your personality?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

Kelly has done a great job of that, and I see Adam as the kind of person who would do it too – he just has to make sure he does it right. Adam has a lot of potential, so I really hope he gets to work with the right people.

I believe that when a artist does more than genre on a album it tends to flop alittle.People respect you if you do your thing and stick with you do best.
Kelly Clarkson did was she did best and that’s why she sold alot.She knew
her type of genre and went straight towards it.That’s the reason why Kelly
sold more on her “Rock” record.Also,Kelly isnt considered rock.She’s a pop
artist.People dont know her as a rock artist.I think rock fans would mock
at that statement.

Kris and Adam arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t competing against just each other anymore. Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a whole music industry out there now! They are the least of each others worries

I never said they were competing. I’m just speculating about each of their futures.

You’re taking my Daughtry/Allen comparison much further than I meant. I’m comparing them strictly on their marketability and ability to fit neatly into the marketplace.

Your mileage may vary, but I don’t think of Daughtry as edgy…he’s commonplace pop/rock in the vein of Nickleback/Creed. Very ordinary, but it sells these days. The test for Chris will be when the music marketplace changes. Will he be able to adapt his sound to changing trends? That remains to be seen. He’s a talented musician, but I don’t see him as a trendsetter.

Yup, and it didn’t do as well as when she took creative freedom and performed Pop Rock.

If her first album had flopped, there wouldn’t have been a second. If she’d come out of the box with something that was radically different than what she did on Idol, it might not have been successful.

A lot of people didn’t think Adam was going to win. Most people WANTED him to win. People weren’t upset or surprised that Kris won, but they were mad because they thought Adam deserved to win…. there’s a difference.

Kris was cannon fodder, it wasn’t until the last few weeks of the competition that Idol watchers thought he had a chance. He had no screen time, and no pimping, from that angle, his win was a surprise.

Look, Adam may very well be successful. He’s a talented guy. It’s just that at this point, It’s not as clear where he’s going to go with his career. And his statements that he’s going to do something “new” are wishful thinking on his part.

He’ll be given songs from the typical stable of Idol writers and be required to sing them. If he’s lucky, he’ll get some co-writes. There will be no ground-breaking. At least not on this first album.

I would rather have people think that Adam will flop so that when his time comes and he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t flop, I will put a big smile on my face.

Very true. Success is the best revenge as they say!! lol

Ermà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ yeah, but wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t that on country week?

Yes, but Lil, Adam, Anoop, Matt, and a slew of others didn’t sound country on country week. Kris has a country sound to me. just my opinion. I didn’t say it was a bad thing. lol

Kelly has done a great job of that, and I see Adam as the kind of person who would do it too – he just has to make sure he does it right. Adam has a lot of potential, so I really hope he gets to work with the right people.

Yes she has. And thats why I’m one of the millions of people who buys her music. I posted that quote because I think Kelly sums up what it is Adam wants to do with his music. From his interviews, it sounds like that is his philosophy of music. And you are right. It will all depend on who he works with and what songs they choose. If he and the record company play their cards right, they could have a big success on their hands. Time will tell.

Kelly Clarkson sings across genres and on her latest album she does just that (very different music, style) with the common thread being her vocals. One is very dance oriented. Christina Aguilera does the same thing, pure dance, pop, soul/R&B, etc. This can be done and is being done successfully. The person doing so just has to have good vocal range and the guts to stand up for what they want and work with people to get it right. Adam can do this, too.

Yes, but Lil, Adam, Anoop, Matt, and a slew of others didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sound country on country week. Kris has a country sound to me. just my opinion. I didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t say it was a bad thing. lol

Matt’s studio version is actually country-fied, and he’s definately not a country artist.

Look, Adam may very well be successful. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a talented guy. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just that at this point, Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not as clear where heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to go with his career. And his statements that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to do something à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“newà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  are wishful thinking on his part.

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be given songs from the typical stable of Idol writers and be required to sing them. If heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s lucky, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll get some co-writes. There will be no ground-breaking. At least not on this first album.

I agree.

Adam’s a smart guy, but I’m not sure if he fully realizes what he’s gotten himself into with the Idol contract. I doubt they’re going to like him do the unique fusion he’s going for.

LOL. Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t put words in my mouth ross!! Its all good though, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get defensive. I do love a good debate!

Oops, I didn’t mean to do that! Sorry. I was just trying to guess why, but I did assume too much. And you know what happens when you assume.

Kris just sounds country to me. That one song he did, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“to make you feel like my loveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or something like thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ I should know it since I downloaded ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ anyways, I just always get a country vibe from him when he sings. When I see and hear him I think country.

To me he doesn’t sound country. If he did I probably wouldn’t like him, since I’m not a country fan. He does sound southern, at times, but that’s an accent, not a style. Just my opinion.

To Make You Feel My Love was a song he said he chose because he was hoping to sneak in a Dylan song, and since Garth Brooks had recorded it, he was able to do that. I didn’t feel it had a country sound, though.

Other people must too because Kris said in an interview that he was scared people would think he should do country and that is not what he wants to do

That was after he sang with Keith Urban, so people asked him if he was interested in going that way, and he said it wasn’t his way.

I guess what I really was saying was an artist has to try to do what he feels and be true to himself, because if you create from who you are it usually works out. Kris is a big Motwn, MJ, Boyz II Men fan and I hear a lot of that in his style, filtered through whoever he is. But basically he doesn’t seem to slavishly follow any style or genre and that’s what I like.

He seems to think for himself musically, and I think that’s why I admire him. He’s not trying to copy, or to be genre-specific, he’s just trying to be who he is, musically. This is similar to Adam, and in both cases I think that’s what the public responded to.

So glad to read that Felicia Barton was the opening act for the David Cook concert over the weekend. I wonder how that all came about.

I don’t get the vibe from interviews that Adam wants to do anything “groundbreaking.” I just think he wants to make music, sell CDs, and perform at concerts where he can wear different costumes. lol I really think its that simple. Now certain fans of his might be touting that he’s going to change the music scene as we know it, but Adam isn’t saying he’s the Einstein of the music industry.

I compare Adam to Kelly. Not in music taste, sound or look. but in their philosophy of what type of music they want to make. Both of them have openly said that they don’t want to be “boxed” in, they don’t want to make just one sound, and they want to show different sides of their personalities. It worked for Kelly, time will tell (1-2 years) if it will work for Adam. Now some people don’t like artists like that. They want someone who is more predictable. Fine. Like Adam said in his Idolatry video, go buy that other guy’s music. lol But I really think its that simple. So no, we aren’t going to know the “exact” sound Adam is going to give us, but that is half the fun. Luckily for Adam there are a lot of people like me who likes surprises. lol

LOL. Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t put words in my mouth ross!! Its all good though, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get defensive. I do love a good debate!

Actually, you do. You get angry and sarcastic. A good debate is great, but don’t judge your fellow posters, tell them what to do, or question their motives.

For instance, I never said Adam will flop. In fact, my discussion was really about Kris, and how I saw him as easily definable–a good sign he’d be successful in the marketplace. Nothing to do with Adam, really.

There’s no reason that both can’t be successful.

When has Christina Aguilera done R&B? She always been dance to me.

For the first albums you have to be mainstream.You have to sing whatever crap idol writers/producers give you to write.After seeing how Adam did was NB I’m afraid to hear what his first album will be llike.Its in the 19 control.Adam
wouldnt do so well with that.He has too many high hopes for his first album.

Kelly knew who she wanted to be as a artist.Adam doesnt know that.There’s a differance.Kelly can rant all she wants but i heard her albums and it was all the same sound.It wasnt all differant music.

I’m not too much worried about Adam’ as to where he’s going with his career as I am not that worried about Kris. I see Adam as someone with vision and he loves challenges. He will experiment as much as he would until he gets the right formula. Kris on the other hand will not have a hard time fitting in the music scene since his style is already out there. But Adam is as talented as Kris and Adam’s versatility will make it easy for him to adapt if the music market changes.

When has Christina Aguilera done R&B?

Christina Agurilera is considered by a lot of musical circles as an R&B Pop singer. She won her grammies in the POP category, but a lot of her songs have an R&B flare. Although some has had a rock flare as well. Christina is another one that likes to change things up. lol

Look, Adam may very well be successful. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a talented guy. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just that at this point, Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not as clear where heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to go with his career. And his statements that heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to do something à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“newà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  are wishful thinking on his part.

Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be given songs from the typical stable of Idol writers and be required to sing them. If heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s lucky, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll get some co-writes. There will be no ground-breaking. At least not on this first album.

I actually think production values are going to be what makes or breaks Adam. For me it really depend on what producers end up working with him. If you have really horribly produced music with an electronic feel, that’s where it will fail. If he doesn’t go electronic, then never mind.

Kris will need to sell a lot more albums and sell out more arenas than Adam. The winner should outperform the runner-up to justify his win.

Uh, not.
The winner justifies his win during the show. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s it. Theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re in a contest and theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re voted for what they do there, as simple as that.

Why shouldn’t the winner be expected to outperform the runner-up? If the winner supposedly had more fans who voted him in based upon a preference for his style of music and if, as the consensus seems to be, Kris’s album will be a reflection of him as an artist (i.e. people seems to think they know exactly what to expect from his album) and his style is allegedly more marketable, definable and current, then why wouldn’t Kris be expected to sell more than Adam? And if he doesn’t, wouldn’t that be more of a surprise? I actually think there is considerably more pressure on Kris to do well on his first album than Adam.

How could RoF have lead to a downturn in his popularity when it occured fairly early in the competition and he went on to be in the top 2?

Not that early. The previous week dialidol had showed him far ahead of the pack. After ROF it showed a precipitous drop. A few weeks later he was struggling to stay out of the bottom three and made it there on top 5 week after the white suited Feeling Good, another OTT performance. Despite shameless pimping on the part of producers, Adam never recaptured his frontrunner status.

When has Christina Aguilera done R&B?

She started out really pop, but went towards an R&B direction with her second album. My fave Xtina album, Back to Basics, mixes old school jazz, blues and modern beats. Eclectic. And unlike her co-Mickey Mouse star, she can SANG.

Oh, and how I wish I had not brought up Daughtry. I wasn’t making any comment about Adam’s future. I was merely stating that Daughtry was dismissed by many as being too much like other bands out there to be successful. Much like some are dismissing Kris for that reason.

I guess no one knows what’s up with Josiah?

Kelly knew who she wanted to be as a artist.Adam doesnt know that.Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a differance.Kelly can rant all she wants but i heard her albums and it was all the same sound.It wasnt all differant music.

I disagree with this. I think a fair example would be her self-composed “Irvine”. Compare that with “Since You Been Gone” and “I Do Not Hook Up”.

I think most first albums from idols suck.If you dont have a mainstream voice then you dotn sell well on your first album.Kris is nowhere like Kelly,Carrie,
Daughty.But the one thing Kris does have in common with them is they all mainstream.Differant voices and music styles but all there voices are radio-friendly.

lovecent…I think those songs are on two differant Kelly albums.I meant all the music on Kelly’s second album sound the same.There all popy.The Since You Been Gone album is from the idol album..i think.

Not that early. The previous week dialidol had showed him far ahead of the pack. After ROF it showed a precipitous drop. A few weeks later he was struggling to stay out of the bottom three and made it there on top 5 week after the white suited Feeling Good, another OTT performance. Despite shameless pimping on the part of producers, Adam never recaptured his frontrunner status.

Your basis for this theory is DI? Then Adam never was THE frontrunner. That would’ve been Danny Gokey.

I actually think DI was a terrible predictor this year. How many times was Kris at the bottom on DI and not in the actual results? I can’t get behind any theory based on DI.

Ring of Fire occurred in Top 11 week. The second week of the real competition. I just went back and looked at Dial Idol and the following were their predictions:
Top 10 week – 1st place Adam Lambert
Top 8 week – 1st place Adam Lambert
After that Adam was in the Top 3 with weeks with 4 idols and 3 idols showing him in 1st place.
I don’t really think dialidol is that reliable, but since that’s the reference used I’ll run with it.

Why shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the winner be expected to outperform the runner-up?

I’m thinking its because so many “winners” haven’t outdone the “losers”. Its kind of like how sometimes the “B/C” student often becomes more successful than the “A” students in school. Its very apparent that over the 8 seasons of AI, winning the title is not a guarantee of success in the music industry. That is why Simon gets all mad now that people aren’t focused so much on winning. Now its more about the exposure and opportunities that come out of appearing on the show.

I agree with you though. The winner should outdo the runner-up automatically. However, when you look at the whole scheme of things, most people don’t watch the show. But if a good song pops on the radio or those same people who don’t watch the show sees a good performance on the billboard music awards/mtv music awards/etc., they will pick up the album of that person. The show AI is more about external factors, but after the show the focus changes to the music. That is why the “real world” results are often different than the American Idol voting results.

That’s my 2 cents at least.

Deleting comments that are covering old ground. We aren’t going there again. I meant that when I said it.

What’s taking Slezak so long with uploading Kris’s idolatry.I sent him a twitter.

I see Kris doing the same.Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the type to owe his success to Idol and want to do what Carrie does which is coming back
every year to perform and giving back.

If I were Kris, I’d have something to give back to AI….

I think the winner is crowned American Idol, because America voted and made a statement. Idols should be the best and on top. They should have killer success. How can someone be the American Idol and have mediocre success? I think that title is a huge responsibility. Especially for the people who didn’t watch the show, but who are being told who “The American Idol” is. If I never saw the show, and someone said, “here is the American Idol’, I would want that person to be damn good.

So glad to read that Felicia Barton was the opening act for the David Cook concert over the weekend. I wonder how that all came about.

Really? Wow! Good for her.

Maybe someone can enlighten me, but why don’t the 19 labels allow (or push) the idols they sign to do more collaborations? You can hardly find a top song on the charts with one person (or band) singing it these days, so why aren’t the idol albums like that? Is it because established artists won’t record with someone unproven? That doesn’t sound right to me, since there are plenty of new names out there all the time. Is it a $$ issue?

There was the Jordin/Chris Brown song (which did very well) but I can’t think of any other examples off the top of my head. Shouldn’t that be a strategy for Kris and/or Adam?

Gordon Lightfoot just performs his songs, nothing more (as someone pointed out already).

Is he still alive?

LOL! Yes! From the Ithaca (NY) Journal, May 31, 2009:

Tickets go on sale Friday for singer-songwriter Gordon Lightfoot, who will perform at 8 p.m. Saturday, July 25, at The Forum in Binghamton.

[Trivia: The first time instruments were played by contestants on an Idol show was on Canadian Idol seaon 2 (2004) Top 6 results night, when the group number was Lightfoot's Candian Railroad Trilogy. The theme had been songs of Gordon Lightfoot and he was the mentor.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF1g4NcINvQ

””””Maybe someone can enlighten me, but why donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the 19 labels allow (or push) the idols they sign to do more collaborations?”"”"”

I was wondering the same thing myself. I was thinking how one of the idols could collaborate with a hip hop artist like a lot of singers do. Like, a Kris-Kanye Heartless remix. Collaborating with an established name would seem to be a way to get a song on the charts.

So glad to read that Felicia Barton was the opening act for the David Cook concert over the weekend. I wonder how that all came about.

Really? Wow! Good for her.

From what I’ve read here, it’s a music festival in her hometown. Lots of different acts, including Cook. I’m sure it’s the hometown connection, but good for her!

Why shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the winner be expected to outperform the runner-up? If the winner supposedly had more fans who voted him in based upon a preference for his style of music and if

That’s a lot of ifs. Most people do not vote for the preference of style… or we wouldn’t have so many different winners. People don’t vote thinking who they believe will sell the most. People can’t see the future, so that’s not even an option. Actually, I think most people don’t even care about their music once the show is over. It’s what they do during the show that counts. Nothing will take their title as AI winners away.
Actually, I like to think that for most people it’s not just about numbers and numbers and numbers.
During all those months AI is nothing more than a game. The person who wins gets a prize. And that’s what it is.
What comes after is real life.

I guess no one knows whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s up with Josiah?

Not long ago someone posted here at MJ’s that Josiah was selling some of his songs in some independent way. Which makes me wonder if he has been dropped…
But that’s all I’ve heard about him since the EP was released.

Kris just sounds country to me. That one song he did, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“to make you feel like my loveà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  or something like that

Actually, Kris pulled a bit of a fast one there. As he pointed out, it’s a Bob Dylan song that he happened to know was covered by Garth Brooks. Bob Dylan isn’t generally considered a country artist. More of a singer-songwriter….;-)

Adele also had a minor hit with it last year in Europe.

Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not saying one is better than the other, since it depends on which market you are targeting, but its funny how most of the idol contestants with the most edge seem to be doing the bestà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.

Carrie is one of the two most successful Idols (most successful if you compare the same number of albums) and she has no edges at all. When it comes to edges, she is almost round. I think the need for edges just depends on the artist and the genre and the phase of the moon.

I’m not going to say that Kris is going to be successful (I thought Jordin was going to flop, so I’m fully aware that my prediction powers suck), but I’m not sure that some of the predictors being quoted don’t come with exceptions.

Someone asked about Josiah Leming. He is still with Warner Bros. and still working on his album for them. He is now working with top tier producer Martin Terefe (Jason Mraz, James Morrison, Yusuf (Cat Stevens), and Ron Sexsmith. He has great respect for the singer-songwriter but knows how to get a record on the radio.

Josiah just posted this on his myspace page:

Looking forward to a long week in the studio with Martin Terefe! Recording the last 4 songs and the album is done! new music soon ( : love!
at 8:40 PM May 30

:clap_tb:

Things are looking good for Josiah.

BB

Oh no, poor thing….Susan Boyle rushed to hospital.

“It appears the limelight may have been too much for Scottish singing sensation Susan Boyle, who apparently suffered an emotional meltdown after placing second on a British television show.

Boyle, 48, was taken out of a London Hotel by paramedics on Sunday–just one day after making her final performance on ‘Britain’s Got Talent,’ according to a report by The Sun newspaper in London.

The star, who is apparently suffering from exhaustion, was escorted through the lobby by medical personnel, taken into an ambulance and rushed off to a private hospital in North London.”

My recall was faulty. I just checked dialidol, however, and the basic point I made was on target. When Adam went “flamboyant” he lost ground. The week before top 11, it’s true, Danny was one slot ahead of Adam. But Adam was very close behind. Following ROF he dropped six slots, behind Danny, Anoop, Lil, Matt, and Kris. He toned it down the following week–and took the lead for several weeks. But with Feeling Good he once again lost ground and ended up in the bottom three. Both ROF and Feeling Good were considered OTT performances for AI viewers–and the reaction was not too favorable either time. I think it’s clear neither performance was as popular as his more subdued performances.

Oh wow, I hope Susan Boyle is okay. She had a ton of pressure on her, and I can see how it would get to her. Shows like that are tough. I hope she gets some rest and feels better soon.

There was the Jordin/Chris Brown song (which did very well) but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think of any other examples off the top of my head. Shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t that be a strategy for Kris and/or Adam?

Archie sang a duet with Kara on his album.

Daughtry had Slash play on one of his tracks.

Fantasia did a duet with Sam Moore on the CD that Randy produced. It’s on Sam’s CD, but they did use it during the Season 6 auditions in Seattle (“Blame it on the Rain”?)

Someone asked about Josiah Leming. He is still with Warner Bros. and still working on his album for them. He is now working with top tier producer Martin Terefe (Jason Mraz, James Morrison, Yusuf (Cat Stevens), and Ron Sexsmith. He has great respect for the singer-songwriter but knows how to get a record on the radio.

Josiah just posted this on his myspace page:

Looking forward to a long week in the studio with Martin Terefe! Recording the last 4 songs and the album is done! new music soon ( : love!
at 8:40 PM May 30

:clap_tb:

Things are looking good for Josiah.

BB

That’s good news. I went to the Warner Bros site and didn’t see him listed, so was a little worried. His is one album I’m really, really anticipating.

ETA:

There was the Jordin/Chris Brown song (which did very well) but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think of any other examples off the top of my head. Shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t that be a strategy for Kris and/or Adam?

Archie sang a duet with Kara on his album.

Daughtry had Slash play on one of his tracks.

Fantasia did a duet with Sam Moore on the CD that Randy produced. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s on Samà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s CD, but they did use it during the Season 6 auditions in Seattle (à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ Blame it on the Rainà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?)

Blake had Lupe Fiasco on “Know My Name,” which many fans thought should have been the first single. I know many people don’t know Lupe, but he’s a pretty awesome (and industry-respected) Chicago-based hip hop artist.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8076413.stm

Same news from BBC. It says she was assessed under the Mental Health Act which to me, sounds very depressing.

So glad to read that Felicia Barton was the opening act for the David Cook concert over the weekend. I wonder how that all came about.

It was the patriotic festival in Virginia Beach, and Felicia is from there, that’s probably how it happened. She says she will post pictures and videos in here facebook.
Here is a picture of Felicia and David. And every fan review I’ve read has been pretty positive about her.

I really respect Clay for his comments on Prop 8– He disagreed with the outcome, but he did not call names. He is right about the fact that on all sides of an issue, we do not want the courts to legislate what the people have decided.

And every fan review Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve read has been pretty positive about her.

I went to the show Saturday night (Patriotic Festival) – it was really an awesome show. Felicia was great… my sister and I went, and we both thought she looked and sounded fantastic. And still think she should have lasted much longer on Idol! Matt Nathanson is awesome and hilarious, and of course loved David Cook’s show and had a blast with the two “concert newbie” young ladies who sat next to me and were so excited and adorable to get to see him live. It was a great crowd, lots of singing and with the perfect weather… awesome

Feeling Good was probably my favorite Adam performance. From the comments on AI site, a lot of people agreed. In fact, they had to cut out a lot of comments… guess the website couldn’t handle all the love! There should really be about 20,000 comments on that video at this point, but AI had to keep deleting comments.

I heart Kirsten. Those comments a few pages back are gold!

Especially this one, because I was about to post the same thing, but saw yours before I hit ‘submit.’

Actually, Kris pulled a bit of a fast one there. As he pointed out, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a Bob Dylan song that he happened to know was covered by Garth Brooks. Bob Dylan isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t generally considered a country artist. More of a singer-songwriterà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.;-)

Has to be one of my fave “fast ones” in Idol history. Taylor managing to sing ‘Something’ on Billboard night is still my top spot. I never thought I’d be okay with an Idol contestant covering Dylan, but now that singer/ songwriters have broken the barrier I’m kinda excited about future prospects too.

[Trivia: The first time instruments were played by contestants on an Idol show was on Canadian Idol seaon 2 (2004) Top 6 results night, when the group number was Lightfootà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Candian Railroad Trilogy. The theme had been songs of Gordon Lightfoot and he was the mentor.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF1g4NcINvQ

That has to be one of my favorite Idol performances ever. Funny that CI manages to take older artists and make such great episodes with their music, and AI seems to have so much trouble with it. Maybe if AI tried to look for more musically conscious contestants they would make better TV. It’s asking too much, isn’t it?

I guess no one knows whatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s up with Josiah?

Thanks for the info, bottleblonde!

He did a showcase at sxsw this year. Everyone thought it would be hot, but after Metallica made a surprise appearance everything else fell by the wayside buzz-wise. Can’t seem to find much on it.

Blake had Lupe Fiasco on à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Know My Name,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  which many fans thought should have been the first single. I know many people donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know Lupe, but heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a pretty awesome (and industry-respected) Chicago-based hip hop artist.

Still can’t believe he collaborated on an Idol contestant’s album. Blake does seem to have some respect in certain circles.

I really appreciated your Daughtry/ Taylor comparisons. I totally agree. As someone who supported Taylor in S5 I wasn’t happy with MJ’s proclamations. I never took her to task though. Opinions are like navels, and all that. Time has taught me a valuable lesson. I really hope they both succeed, but I’m not holding my breath.

Most people do not vote for the preference of styleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ or we wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have so many different winners.

I agree with you up to a point. With a large pool of contestants, style is just one factor among many, but once the finalists have been whittled down to two, it becomes a different story. The conventional wisdom or party line, if you will, of this season was that the F2 was very much a referendum on two very different styles of performer and music. And Kris won. So one could logically conclude that Kris would be expected to have more real world success than Adam.

You’re right, no one can predict the future and AI is something of a game. But again my point is simply this: as between Adam and Kris, based on Kris’s win, the pressure is on him to outperform Adam on his first album. Not saying that Adam doesn’t have pressure too, he does, but for Kris, as the winner, I would think the expectations would be higher.

The more haters one has, the more popular and successful one gets. Its amazing how that seems to work out that wayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..

If that’s true, then Danny should blow them all away! :lol_wp:

Thanks Kirsten and pj

Interesting, of the songs you mentioned, I guess the most promising (other than Slash/Daughtry which is of course impressive on some level), and current would have been Blake/Lupe. I have not heard it, so can’t comment, but obviously not a hit. I do love “Superstar” though!

I do think if the label can pull off a Kris/Jamie Foxx, or Kris/Kanye, it couldn’t hurt him.

I do think if the label can pull off a Kris/Jamie Foxx, or Kris/Kanye, it couldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t hurt him.

I hope they can pull something off like that. I am thinking Jamie Foxx would be all over it.

Still canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t believe he collaborated on an Idol contestantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album. Blake does seem to have some respect in certain circles.

Yeah, he’s not going to be the next male pop star, but I’m looking forward to what he does with his new album from Tommy Boy. Seems like a good fit for him. Hope it’s cool.

Regarding comparisons of this years iTunes singles to last year — comparison’s don’t make any sense since they didn’t create the greatest hits album last year. Well covered in this article.

http://idolator.com/5237402/after-idol-a-glee-ful-upset-on-the-charts

KRIS AND ADAM future album plans

For Adam to be successful, he’ll need to define his own space — similar to what Madona and Bowie did. I believe that it is easier to figure out what market Kris should pursue, but that market is really competitive.

KRIS

Kris’ fans often compare Kris to Jason Mraz, John Mayer and The Fray. And Kris has said he wanted his album to have a musical style similar to these same three artists. I get the connection to these three artists — acoustic rock, singer-songwriter. But once you get past basic similarity the path is less obvious to me:

1. Kris isn’t really that much like Mraz or Mayer.

Mraz’s stylistic influences include reggae, soul, pop, rock, folk, jazz, and hip hop. So, yes, they both are singer-songwriters who play acoustic guitars, and Kris does sound a bit like Mraz’s folk and pop songs, but that’s just a small part of what Jason does. (Note: Mraz’s producer recommended that Kris pursue the teen heartthrob market like Nick Lachey and Adam Levine of Maroon 5.)

John Mayer started out doing acoustic rock, but has really evolved into a blues rock artist performing with B. B. King and Eric Clapton. Even his pop rock hits have a strong blues undercurrent like “Waiting On The World To Change”. I’m just not seeing this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPOBMzMTP4U

2. Kris is similar to Isaac Slade of The Fray

Of the three, Kris sounds most like The Fray to me. I think that Isaac Slade has a similar vocal style. The challenge for Kris will be finding great material and putting together a great band — both of which The Fray have done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obhdTlImFBo

3. Kris’ success will be based in large part upon the quality of the songs. And that is a huge challenge.

Kris’ own Pre-Idol songwriting is OK but not at the level of Mraz, Mayer or Levine. And, my guess is that he doesn’t have a album’s worth of own music that is great. That means he will get some of the best pop-rock that money can buy. Maybe Kara will write something for him.

4.Kris will need to put on a show to sell records.

None of the three, Mraz, Mayer or The Fray, are a guy on stage standing with a guitar — all three are part of bands with big live shows. Kris will need to tour to support an album, and will need to put together a band and show.

ADAM

1. Adam will not let them rush out a “piece of crap” album. Adam has a strong concept in mind for his album — and I bet that he will get what he wants. And is already working with producers on it. He is also still working with Michael Orland who worked with him on his AI arrangements. Based on what he has said, it will be video & music, and something that feeds into a live concert event.

2. Adam will sell out live concerts. For all the talk of record sales, live concerts drive huge revenue. Here are the top 10 concert grosses of 2008:

1 $210,650,974 BON JOVI
2 $204,513,630 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN
3 $185,696,018 MADONNA (#1 in North America)
4 $149,623,800 THE POLICE
5 $91,006,221 CELINE DION
6 $86,306,618 KENNY CHESNEY
7 $81,206,383 NEIL DIAMOND
8 $70,123,272 SPICE GIRLS
9 $56,625,336 EAGLES
10 $55,863,364 RASCAL FLATTS

I am not saying that Adam will be in this league but just pointing out that concerts both promote record sales and drive big revenues.

3. Given music writen to showcase his voice, the result could be really great. Adam has very unusual vocal range and control. There have been a few great male rock vocalists with similar vocal range, power and control — Freddy Mercury and Roy Orbison come to mind — and they were at their best with compositions writen with their vocal capacity in mind.

4. Adam’s biggest challenge is getting the right material, right producer and musicians, and finding someone who can push him to bring it down a notch — every now and then.

If Kris is so easily definable and so easily fits right into the music scene and has so so many more fans than all the other Idols then he should be huge. I have grand expectations from him. All I hear from his fans is how popular he and his music is, and how he knows exactly what his album will be, and how it will easily slide into the top ten because it fits exactly to what it has to be to be successful.

Kelly’s first album was nothing from what I expected from Idol (good thing). The Davids were nothing from what I expected (bad thing – to me of course). Glad to know Kris’ will be exactly what is expected. I hope Adam and Allison’s are quirky and edgy. And nothing what we expect. At least now, they can sell a lot less with less expectations. I’d rather they try something new and sell less. Most of the artists I enjoy aren’t the top sellers. They are successful enough, and that’s what I wish for Adam and Allison. Kris and his songwriting can be the huge sellers and concert headliners.

cay: great comment. Need to sleep now. But I hope to see quirky and edgy from Ad and Al. That sounds like fun!!!

All these predictions aren’t doing Kris or Adam any favors. We don’t even know who they are signed with (officially), much less who they are writing with, so I am not gonna predict too much right now.

However, I think Allison and Megan will also be signed. Any takers?

That has to be one of my favorite Idol performances ever. Funny that CI manages to take older artists and make such great episodes with their music, and AI seems to have so much trouble with it. Maybe if AI tried to look for more musically conscious contestants they would make better TV. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s asking too much, isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t it?

Mine, too, erinnthered.

“Maybe if AI tried to look for more musically conscious contestants they would make better TV.” I have a feeling this happens on CI because the judges are more musically conscious? The four of them really do know music. When they choose contestants, they don’t appear to go for marketability as much as musicality and uniqueness. Something I like about that show.

PJ… Surely you jest! Megan!?! Allison – yes but Megan???? Say it aint so!

LOL, Lu. AI has a history of signing mid-pack pretty blondes with mediocre vocals. Sometimes it works– Pickler. Sometimes it doesn’t — KLC. I can see them trying to market Megan as a quirky pop singer.

Other than Kris and Adam, the only two from the top 10 not on twitter are Allison and Megan. Perhaps there’s a reason for the silence????

Megan is interesting. She is kind of out there, but hey she made it to AI top 10. That should count for something.

I heart Kirsten. Those comments a few pages back are gold!

I really enjoy reading your comments as well. We need to get a room.

Thanks for the info on Josiah, bottleblonde. I’m looking forward to what Josiah is coming up with.

Speaking of label news, I heard that Chris Sligh said on his blog that he asked to be let go from his independent label because he’s in negotiations with a major label. Sometimes, that doesn’t work out, but writing a hit country song probably helped generate interest.

However, I think Allison and Megan will also be signed. Any takers?

allison–yes–I think she will be signed by a Sony BMG sub. Megan–no way. She has an interesting sound but she just doesn’t sing well enough.

Didn’t someone at the Idol Finale Afterparty hear some executives talking about signing Allison and Danny along with Kris and Adam? The person who overheard that reported here at MJs. Allison seems quite obvious to sign. She’s got such a distinctive sound, very consistent. And she’s very young and cute, which opens her to a lot of markets. But I couldn’t believe it about Danny. Good voice but no distinct sound/plan. If he’d stuck with a country sound after Grand Ol’ Opry week, then maybe, but he didn’t. Did you see the Idolatry interview with him? He said that he wants his album to be a soul/fusion/with a bit of Latin influence. What the heck is that?

This season, I think the contestants signed will be Kris, Adam and Allison and that’s it.

Most people do not vote for the preference of styleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ or we wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have so many different winners.

I agree that there is more to deciding to actively support one contestant and vote than just musical style — personality, judges comments, cultural issues, etc.

However, I believe that the biggest factor in determining the AI winner, is geographic appeal. It’s almost impossible for someone from the Southeastern US to lose.

1. The AT&T cell phone customer base is so strongly skewed to the South, and this year 28% of the votes were text messages.

2. AI viewship is significantly higher in the Eastern and Central time zones where the show is broadcast Live.

And in 8 years, no one from the Southeast has ever lost in the final.

AI 1,2,3,4 — both finalist were from the SE
AI 5 – AL beat CA (SE wins)
AI 6 – AZ best WA (no one from the SE in final)
AI 7 – MO best UT (MO is a strong AT&T cellular market and was a slave state)
AI8 – AR beat CA (SE wins again)

Yeah, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not going to be the next male pop star, but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m looking forward to what he does with his new album from Tommy Boy. Seems like a good fit for him. Hope ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s cool.

My sentiments exactly.

All these predictions arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t doing Kris or Adam any favors. We donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t even know who they are signed with (officially), much less who they are writing with, so I am not gonna predict too much right now.

And this!

Plus, the higher the goals you set, the harder it is to reach them.

I have a feeling this happens on CI because the judges are more musically conscious? The four of them do seem to really know music. When they choose contestants, they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t appear to go for big voices or marketability as much as musicality and uniqueness. I like that.

ITA! I was hoping we might get somewhere with Kara “early Aerosmith” Dioguardi, but you know how that turned out. I’m kinda looking forward to Simon being replaced. I wonder if they could find someone more like Zach to take his place. I know, still aiming high…

However, I think Allison and Megan will also be signed. Any takers?

SOLD! I’d add a marginal bet for Matt G. They really do seem to love that guy, and initial rumors included him in the possible list.

ETA: I’m already assuming Danny is a done deal. Especially after the Idolatry interview.

You know what? I think people are going to want to define Kris and Adam’s success by comparing it to past idols and that would be unfair. The marketplace is totally different right now so it would be hard to compare their sales to Daughtry’s quadruple platinum sales because more people are (illegally downloading) and a big reason that their sales got up was because one of their songs were featured on Idol as the departure song. Even though people might think that Adam will sell out big concerts, it’s hard to say because Beyonce can’t even sell out concerts right now.

Regardless of this, I still think that Kris and Adam can both be successful. To me, the only successful idols are ones that have defined themselves on idol and is current sounding. The first season is a little different in my theory because if Kelly was not successful, then Idol would not have been successful. Just imagine if Justin won, then no one would have really wanted to try out in a show that produced a “failure”. Ruben, Clay, and Fantasia were all popular on the show but they were not able to sustain their sales because their sound was too old fashioned. People still like them but i don’t hear them on pop radio. I know the Claymates would like to argue about Clay but he’s on broadway and his last album was not able to get radio airplay-instead it was sold on QVC. Carrie was big because she has a built in fanbase because country is big. Taylor was popular but his sound is too old and was not able to get any new fans outside of AI. Jordin sang really well on the show but was not able to define her sound but she did have that one good single- No Air. David Cook- you knew what you would get with him and he is popular on the radio and VH1 so he’s able to gain new fans as well as keep old ones. Daughtry and Kellie Pickler is successful for the same reason.

So why do I think both Kris and Adam will be successful? Kris has been himself throughout the whole show and has gained a lot of fans that like his sound on the show. When he releases the same type of music on his album, he will be able to retain those fans and his sound is very current that I can hear it on the radio which can help gain new fans outside the AI bubble. Adam didn’t really define himself as much but only for him, I don’t think it matters. He does have a great voice so as long as he gets good material I think he can be great as long as it’s along the pop/rock route (more on the rock side) but not as the male Lady Gaga. I do not see him dancing along to any song. I just think they both fit in pop radio which is good for them.

Hope these aren’t back to back. I was running out of space. One of these days I’ll lose that teal deer attached at my hip.

I really enjoy reading your comments as well. We need to get a room.

Sweet! I need to get my passport sorted first though…You know they’re building a wall around Texas now.

Speaking of label news, I heard that Chris Sligh said on his blog that he asked to be let go from his independent label because heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s in negotiations with a major label. Sometimes, that doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t work out, but writing a hit country song probably helped generate interest.

Good for Sligh! Between Jason and Sligh it’s starting to look like the window for possible success is a little larger than previously thought.

AI 7 – MO best UT (MO is a strong AT&T cellular market and was a slave state)

I am trying to understand the correlation between MO being “a slave state” and American Idol votes?

Why shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t the winner be expected to outperform the runner-up? If the winner supposedly had more fans who voted him in based upon a preference for his style of music

And therein lies the flaw in this assumption. Since AI allows one person to call/text as much as they want or can, it’s impossible to determine who has the most fans by the number of votes they receive.

I think it is interesting that à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“success after idolà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  as viewed by many à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“fansà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is the very limited top 40 radio hit, and the amount of albums sold.

The stated raison d’etre of AI is to produce recording stars, not to provide a platform for contestants to grab hold of a career in any of field of entertainment that will have them. So, I don’t care if Constantine wins that Tony. In my book, that does not elevate him anywhere near the “A-list” of former Idols. (Jennifer Hudson is in a different situation with respect to her Oscar because she also won a Grammy and does have an album that at least went gold.

Similarly, I don’t care if Kat McPhee is becoming a movie star. It still doesn’t put her in the same class as Kelly and Carrie.

And, going further, I don’t care that Taylor and Fantasia and Clay have found their niches on Broadway and are having great runs there. They still are not or at least are not any longer, “music stars”, and so they should not be viewed in the same category as those alum who currently are relevant mainstream music artists.

I think Allison and Megan will also be signed. Any takers?

I’m gonna lay off on Allison, but take ya on Megan. Megan doesn’t twitter? She is a twit! So strange. Interesting observation on the twitter accounts, tho’ – kudos.

I saw Benson’s comment regarding Megan. Must have sumpthin’ on his mind other than making records! I dunno – a quirky little jazz singer, kinda. BUT, I have friends and their kids who are signed – got their autographed CD’s sitting right here for my son. They all still have a day job. LOL. So Megan can sign, but to what?

I think Allison will get fast tracked for the Big Time. The comments such as Benson’s regarding writers interest and production interest are credible. Allison is a prodigy and a multifaceted property with huge potential, a broad fan base, and longevity. Her abilities span many genres. Natural performer.

A bit more odd to me is why didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t they want anyone to know that Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s parents were divorced?

Wow. So they didn’t want to reveal that Adam is gay? They didn’t want you to know his parents are divorced? I’m surprised they didn’t make him wear white nail polish!

I am trying to understand the correlation between MO being à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“a slave stateà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and American Idol votes?

I think whoever said that is insinuating the votes that came from Missouri are “Southern” votes simply because Missouri was a slave state before the War of Northern Aggression, although it is not in the South.

So to answer your question about the correlation between MO being a slave state and AI votes, there is no correlation.

Both ROF and Feeling Good were considered OTT performances for AI viewersà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’and the reaction was not too favorable either time. I think ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s clear neither performance was as popular as his more subdued performances.

Adam said the exact same thing in his idolotry video.

TKat
I live in Texas and do NOT consider it the southeast. Texas is definitely of the southwest flavor and geographical location. I’ve also lived in NC and I consider that the SE but not Texas. Maybe it depends on what part of Texas but there is nothing resembling an eastern flavor happening here.

***MJ – feel free to delete this if you think it’s too irrelevant and apologies if it is. Wasn’t sure where to put it but thought people might be interested***

I decided to quiz my stepfather about his views on the AI contestants as he is over from the US at the moment. He used to be A&R man back in the day (late 70′s-mid-80′s) and is still a consultant within the US music industry. NB: He is nothing to do with 19/Sony and has never worked with any Idol contestant past or present so this is purely his viewpoint – just thought people might be interested in an industry viewpoint given the current debate on this thread. And am not trying to start any fan wars or anything I promise, this is purely someone’s opinion! Oh, and his definition of “success” here is much more broad than who made/will make the top 20 of the Hot 100 in case anyone’s thinking he’s crazy!!

Season 8
Adam & Kris – thinks both have a good chance of decent commercial success as both have definite current appeal and also thinks they’ll both be around at least for a second album if not longer. (said he thought Adam had something of “Muse” about him and that this is the most commercial top 2 Idol’s ever had) Said he could see Kris ultimately ending up as a successful producer with the skills that he has and that Adam is destined to be some kind of entertainer (admittedly the latter is kind of obvious!) When I pushed him he said he has a hunch that Kris may do very well with his first album and then settle into his niche and that Adam may have a decent showing with his first album and then have a big breakthrough with a sophomore one (again, purely his opinion though, not based on any facts!)
Said 19 would be crazy not to sign Allison but that if it was him, he would sign her so that no-one else got her and then take time developing her and getting her ready to release rather than rushing her to the charts. He rates her highly.
Also said he wouldn’t be surprised to see Matt, Danny & Megan signed somewhere along the line. Thinks Danny could put out a standards album to get 19 some cash then wouldn’t be surprised to see them let him go. Said Megan and Matt have quite distinct sounds and could do quite well with the benefit of auto-tune! (He did say he rates Matt highly as a musician and would steer him towards the more contemporary jazz route if it was him). Did say he wouldn’t sign any of the three of them personally though so take that as you will!

I also asked him about high-profile previous Idols.
In his opinion, the two David’s should definitely be considered successes, as should Jordin given the current chart climate and he highly rates all 3.
Thinks Blake & Fantasia are both vastly underrated and could both still have chart breakthroughs in the future with the right song. (I pressed him on this one as I was a bit wtf but he stuck to his guns! Also mentioned that he could see Blake as a producer in the future.)
Says Taylor has a great voice but a severe image problem.
Says given Carrie’s voice & genre of music, she was always going to be the most successful Idol and would be surprised if anyone else tops her unless it’s someone else in country music but that they’d have to be pretty special.
Thinks Clay is a decent crooner who appeals to a certain demographic but that he is a bit old-fashioned and has probably run his course as a threat to the charts. (He also said a few things he’d heard on the grapevine about what Clay was like to work with but as they’re grapevine I won’t post them – suffice to say they weren’t very flattering)
Couldn’t even remember who Reuben was. Nor Diana DeGarmo or Justin Guarini.
Rates Kelly very highly and says she gained a lot of respect within the industry when she stood up for herself against Clive (thought that was interesting as I’m sure I remember reading that it might put industry peeps off – might have imagined that though!)
Voluntarily threw in that he would have signed Brooke White as well as the 2 Davids last season and thinks Bo Bice never got the credit or recognition he deserved!

I completely forgot to ask about Daughtry & Jennifer Hudson, sorry!

War of Northern Aggression, although it is not in the South.

What is the War of Northern Agression? Do you mean the American Civil War?

Cultural differences are interesting.

jj82
Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:23 am
(said he thought Adam had something of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Museà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  about him…

Yep, that he does. I even said it in a post earlier in this thread. And anyone whose listened to a Muse album in it’s entirety knows what Adam means when he says he wants an eclectic musical style to his album. In fact, and I don’t know if this has been mentioned before, Adam’s Feeling Good is a Muse arrangement.

For any of you unfamiliar with Muse.. Take a look:
Feeling Good By Muse. It’s outstanding.

ETA: You can really hear the Bowie influence on Muse through tracks like Starlight and Invincible

I am not a country fan at all and I think that I do see a bit of that in Kris – hope I am wrong, can’t wait to see what he does.

With Adam – in all of the years of Idol, I have never seen a contestant that is so passionate about music – you can see it in his face when he is singing and when he is talking. I did not get that at all from any of the others. I hope that he puts out some amazing stuff. (Don’t think his first album with 19 will be it, but I am willing to stick around.)

Love love love Muse. I can see Adam embracing this style…it’s so him.

Sunn Jun 1st, 2009 at 6:10 am

jj82
Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:23 am
(said he thought Adam had something of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Museà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  about himà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Yep, that he does. I even said it in a post earlier in this thread. And anyone whose listened to a Muse album in ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s entirety knows what Adam means when he says he wants an eclectic musical style to his album. In fact, and I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know if this has been mentioned before, Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Feeling Good is a Muse arrangement.

For any of you unfamiliar with Muse.. Take a look:
Feeling Good By Muse. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s outstanding.

ETA: You can really hear the Bowie influence on Muse through tracks like Starlight and Invincible

Some songs I can definitely see Adam using as a starting point but overall I don’t see him going too far in this direction.

I would love to see Adam doing something in the Muse direction, but don’t you think his interest in going more electronic is in the opposite direction? I am no really sure in how he is thinking electronic, except what I have seen in his pre idol stuff. His pre idol stuff is good but I am missing the dirty hardcore guitars…

Also, pop/electronic have (in my opinion) a tendency for shorter singing phrases. I like it when a singer gets to go a little crazy and sing long phrases that drags out and I think Adam is relly good at it. Doesn’t have to be high notes or pretty sounding, I just want them to sing so I feel it to my toes, if you know what I mean.

saga
Jun 1st, 2009 at 7:34 am
I would love to see Adam doing something in the Muse direction, but donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t you think his interest in going more electronic is in the opposite direction?

Not necessarily. I’ve always considered Muse Electroninc/Glam Rock. I wouldn’t know how else to define them if not as that. Take A Bow Lowlands is a good example of what I mean.

His pre idol stuff is good but I am missing the dirty hardcore guitarsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

Take a listen to the Circle & Rough Trade

linsav
Jun 1st, 2009 at 7:28 am
Some songs I can definitely see Adam using as a starting point but overall I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t see him going too far in this direction.

Perhaps you’re right. This all just conjecture based on what little we know about Adam’s pre-idol work. I do however feel quite confident that the Muse path is more likely than the Lady Gaga route. But to be honest, I have to admit that it can very easily be neither. I think closer to the Album release date we should organize a charity pool an put all this speculation to some good. :biggrin_wp:

Oh, I LOVE the circle! I was a bit dissapointed he didn’t have it on his myspace so I thought that was a direction he was less interested in. And maybe it’s not his song, but a song that belongs more to his former group. I wish he would rerecord it. I don’t like rough trade as much, because of the shorter phrases, I really wish he would stay away from them. He used them in no boundaries and I think that was a mistake. The only song that I like the shorter phrases in is pop goes the camera. The muse song you linked to is awesome! I can totally see me bying something like that by Adam. I think when people say electronic, I am thinking synth.

saga
Jun 1st, 2009 at 7:57 am
Oh, I LOVE the circle! I was a bit dissapointed he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have it on his myspace so I thought that was a direction he was less interested in.

He did, It was where I’d first heard it. It was later removed along with all the other pre-idol songs.

Yes I love The Circle and Pop Goes The Camera too. I also love I Got This (it’s my favourite I think).

Sunn Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:11 am

saga
Jun 1st, 2009 at 7:57 am
Oh, I LOVE the circle! I was a bit dissapointed he didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have it on his myspace so I thought that was a direction he was less interested in.

He did, It was where Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d first heard it. It was later removed along with all the other pre-idol songs.

Yes I love The Circle and Pop Goes The Camera too. I also love I Got This (ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s my favourite I think).

For the guitar work I’d check out the live videos (they are just over a minute long, but you get the idea) of “Turning On” and “Bad Reputation” and full studio version of “Nocturnal By The Moon.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBBEgbix40g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WWakBegN0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fDD2mgaj3E

I’ve wondered since all his music has been removed on all sites that I can find if TPTB are thinking of using some of it on his album esp since he wrote or co-wrote them.

jj82 – thanks for bringing your stepfather’s thoughts over! Its rare to hear from actual industry types around here. That was an interesting read. Thanks again!

Oh, and I actually think he has a point with Blake and Fanny. So I’m just as crazy as he is, I guess!

Just a fly-by to chuckle a little at attempts to narrowly define/confine rock music. LOL

linsav
Jun 1st, 2009 at 9:02 am
Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve wondered since all his music has been removed on all sites that I can find if TPTB are thinking of using some of it on his album esp since he wrote or co-wrote them.

The same thought has occured to me. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

$210,650,974 BON JOVI

Bon Jovi made over 200 million dollars just from touring??? Wow…. if I was an entertainer I would be touring non stop then. lol

If thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s true, then Danny should blow them all away!

Yes he should. lol I actually hope Danny does. He’s a talented guy, he just needs some direction. I think he got a raw deal from the blogophere.

Actually, Kris pulled a bit of a fast one there. As he pointed out, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a Bob Dylan song that he happened to know was covered by Garth Brooks. Bob Dylan isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t generally considered a country artist. More of a singer-songwriterà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.;-)

Either way he still sounds country. Thats just my opinion. Whitney Houston sang I will always love you, written by country singer Dolly Parton and there wasn’t a country twang in that voice. Its just an opinion. Kris country music to me equals a gold mine. But hey, its just an opinion. lol

Carrie is one of the two most successful Idols (most successful if you compare the same number of albums) and she has no edges at all. When it comes to edges, she is almost round. I think the need for edges just depends on the artist and the genre and the phase of the moon.

Yup. It all depends on the genre. Country music is an entire different world from other genres. That is why I compared Kris to Carrie rather than comparing him to Daughtry, Kelly, Fantasia, etc.

I actually think both the guys have very radio-friendly *voices.* (Adam’s live performances don’t reveal this so much, but his studio performances absolutely do)… And I also think that Danny, Allison, Matt, and Anoop have radio-friendly voices. Seems to me this was a very good year for radio-friendly voices.

But when it comes to getting radio play (and unfortunately, I suppose we’re just talking pop radio play here, because that seems to be the only one that makes or breaks you as a “star” in America), it seems to depend less on the voice these days than on whether you a) have an earworm of a song (pretty important) and b) have very expertly done production that fits in precisely with some style that’s big on pop radio today (even more important.)

Unfortunately for people coming off Idol, it’s in these last two categories that they’re mainly at the mercy of the record company and that the shot-out-in-six-months first albums they’re permitted don’t really cut the mustard. I think you’re better off if you fall into a very very very well defined category, as Daughtry did, because with fewer decisions to make about the songs and their production, the easier it probably is to churn out well produced earworms.

I think both Kris and Adam will face a bit of a crapshoot here, despite the fact that I think both their *voices* are radio-friendly as heck. Adam for the obvious reasons that he sings all kinds of things, so finding what to focus on will chew up valuable time and because I don’t recall them doing all that well with electronica-type backing. And Kris because, while he does fit into a category, the rock/pop singer-songwriter category isn’t as clearly defined as Daughtry’s was, so far as I can see, and because as an individual, rather than a band, I think the success of his album will depend more on the songs and less on the production. And 19 hasn’t proven to be that good with songs. …

I also think that Daughtry’s scowling stage persona has really helped him win his category, far more than is generally acknowledged. It gives him just the right amount of “edge” that’s needed so what I see as his kind of soft, middle-of-the-road rock can seem cool. In that regard, I think that Kris’s — and Adam’s — sweetness may make it a little harder for them to succeed (at Daughtry’s level — obviously Archie and Elliott, for example, are very sweet and they are succeeding. They aren’t multiple platinum, though.). A lot of listeners like to pretend that their soft pop music is nevertheless a bit edgy, I think. I do think both boys should probably scowl more and more convincingly, but I don’t think they have it in them.

On Carrie and edginess: I don’t think women need it as much as men, and in country I don’t think you need it much at all. But I notice that, to get her really really big pop hit, Carrie had to bash in somebody’s windshield with a baseball bat.

On collaborations: I’ve always figured that the idols mostly don’t get them because anybody big enough to be valuable to collaborate with probably figures that collaboration with an Idol might actually drag *them* down. I figured Chris Brown might have agreed to it in order to market himself to the potentially younger, more mainstream “safer” market that Jordin might appeal to and that they probably wanted to expand his audience in that direction. (probably now, not so much!)

Just a fly-by to chuckle a little at attempts to narrowly define/confine rock music. LOL

I have been pretty puzzled about what the definition of rock music is lately.

I am trying to understand the correlation between MO being à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“a slave stateà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and American Idol votes?

It was late and my shorthand way of saying that MO is a Southern state by history and heritage. More importantly, it is in the high AI viewership and high AT&T/Cingular market area which means David Cook had a strong advantage in voting.

I have looked at all kinds of analysis of the AI vote, and I keep coming back to the same thing. A West Coast contestant goes into the AI competition at a disadvantage. I’m not saying that someone form the West can’t win, just that it’s a hard path. So in Adam’s case, if you add in his edgy style, the gay question, the fact that he’s not Christian, and the anti-judges’ pimping factors, I’m not surprised he didn’t win the AI vote — even though he has more fans than Kris.

mj…

…I think these continuing slurs and bigoted comments against the Southern Race should be stopped immediately.
…And, WHOEVER up there: get an education! The War of Northern Aggression, otherwise known as “The War (pronounced: whaw-wah)” was NOT a civil matter!

What is the War of Northern Agression? Do you mean the American Civil War?

Cultural differences are interesting.

“War of Northern Agression” is just an old joke. Some die hards back in the day actually used to call the Civil War by that name. I’m sure somewhere someone still does, but now it’s pretty much just an ‘ironic’ expression for when a modern Southerner wants to point out false impressions about those states below the Mason Dixon.

ETA:

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦I think these continuing slurs and bigoted comments against the Southern Race should be stopped immediately.
à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦And, WHOEVER up there: get an education! The War of Northern Aggression, otherwise known as à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“The War (pronounced: whaw-wah)à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  was NOT a civil matter!

Kinda like this rather awesome one. Hee!

I can actually hear the “whoEVAH.”

Wow. :laugh_tb:

The stated raison dà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢etre of AI is to produce recording stars, not to provide a platform for contestants to grab hold of a career in any of field of entertainment that will have them.

I don’t get this line of reasoning. Money and fame should be the measure for success, not what AI thinks. If Kat McPhee scores as a movie star instead of as a singer, she should still be considered terrifically successful, especially when she’s earning megabucks and starring in successful movies.

MJ — I am sorry for ever using the phrase, it was thoughtless, I was tired and it was not my point. And I am the last person to slur the South, I proudly live in Mississippi. And you may delete this because it is off topic but I feel compelled to respond.

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“War of Northern Agressionà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  is just an old joke. Some die hards back in the day actually used to call the Civil War by that name. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure somewhere someone still does, but now ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pretty much just an à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹ironicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ expression for when a modern Southerner wants to point out false impressions about those states below the Mason Dixon.

I’m sorry, but in Mississippi the term “Civil War” does not appear on the official state plaques marking the battlefield sights or the towns that were burned to the ground. It is refered to officially referred as the “War of Northern Agression”. And this war was about more then slavery, it is a complex but often simplified part of US history.

And I agree with MJ, there was nothing civil about the “Civil War” — it was the most costly war in US history in lives, property and karmic damage. Frankly, it took Mississippi over 100 years to get past the war and the “reconstruction” that followed.

Mississippians face a lot of foolish stereotypes but none is worse than the broad brush that we are a bunch of racists. I for one am not, and proudly reside in a town in Mississippi that volentarily desegrated it’s schools in the 1950 — without a court order, where we have never had US Justice Dept. Civil Rights reps at our polls and where a diverse group of religious leaders — black and white — worked for 50 years to convert America’s poorest county (1950 census) into one of the Mississippi’s most prosperous. And things have changed even in Philadelphia, MS, the town made famous in the movie “Mississippi Burning” and most noted for the racial violence, murders, and other civil rights violations that occurred in the mid 1960s, a town that is only 40% black but just elected a black man as their mayor.

I can actually hear the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“whoEVAH.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

you put a bug in my toddy, sugah?

Uhhhh, we’re bivouaced ovah heah and ain’t fightin’ no whaw-wah today, and nevah on this battleground.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t get this line of reasoning. Money and fame should be the measure for success, not what AI thinks. If Kat McPhee scores as a movie star instead of as a singer, she should still be considered terrifically successful, especially when sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s earning megabucks and starring in successful movies.

They seem to embrace Jennifer Hudson because she also sings, but never mention Kat. If she really breaks through as a major star, I can’t imagine that they won’t bring her back on the show — first and foremost they care about ratings.

but now ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s pretty much just an à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹ironicà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ expression for when a modern Southerner wants to point out false impressions about those states below the Mason Dixon.

Damn girl! You get me! You rock ETR!

For the guitar work Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d check out the live videos (they are just over a minute long, but you get the idea) of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Turning Onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Bad Reputationà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and full studio version of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Nocturnal By The Moon.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBBEgbix40g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WWakBegN0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fDD2mgaj3E

I actually don’t like these live performances. I think Adam has some really plain clothes and he’s too damn thin. Also the guitars are just one mess too me. Maybe the sounds is bad? Not a guitar prof but my guitar teacher showed me today how you could have one guitar doing the simple rock chords and a second guitar doing more finger works. It was beautiful. So I would drop in a second guitar there to give some refinement and variation!

saga Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:10 pm

For the guitar work Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢d check out the live videos (they are just over a minute long, but you get the idea) of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Turning Onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Bad Reputationà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  and full studio version of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Nocturnal By The Moon.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBBEgbix40g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WWakBegN0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fDD2mgaj3E

I actually donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like these live performances. I think Adam has some really plain clothes and heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s too damn thin. Also the guitars are just one mess too me. Maybe the sounds is bad? Not a guitar prof but my guitar teacher showed me today how you could have one guitar doing the simple rock chords and a second guitar doing more finger works. It was beautiful. So I would drop in a second guitar there to give some refinement and variation!

The sound really did suck. But, Monte Pittman (the guitarist) has made big bucks fronting for Madonna on her “Celebration” tour and so did the drummer. I’m not saying he is a good or great guitarist either. Adam is not all about OTT all the time and they weren’t playin’ glam-rock!

And, going further, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care that Taylor and Fantasia and Clay have found their niches on Broadway and are having great runs there. They still are not or at least are not any longer, à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“music starsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , and so they should not be viewed in the same category as those alum who currently are relevant mainstream music artists.

No argument regarding Taylor or Clay, but I’m going to disagree regarding Fantasia. She had one of the biggest singles in urban radio a couple of years ago, and her follow up album went gold. That might be considered a “flop” by Idol standards, but when you consider that R&B artists usually don’t move a lot of albums, I’d say that’s a pretty decent showing. Fantasia will probably never be mainstream, but very few R&B artists manage to crossover to pop. I don’t think the fact that she hasn’t crossed over diminishes her standing among Idol winners. IMO, she is a relevant artist, even if she isn’t a mainstream one.