Glee Season 5: Adam Lambert Spoiler Update (An Update to the Update)

I’ve got some brand new information on the character Adam Lambert will play on Glee.

Adam’s character WILL NOT BE A DRAG QUEEN. There will be NO performances in drag.

Drag was the original plan for Adam’s character, but at his request, the character will be rewritten. Adam met with the Glee writers/producers this week to discuss the changes.

Also, Adam won’t be singing Lady Gaga’s “Judas,” also at his request. However, he’s still set to perform “Applause.”

Production on Adam’s first episode, 5×04, begins next week.

ETA: I expected some blow back on this spoiler, because I know the drill. Here’s the deal:

1. The timing on the meeting or the discussion may be off, because that part of the spoiler is second hand but…
2. The jist of the spoiler came from a source inside production. Please trust me on this. This spoiler isn’t some anonymous tip I received via email.
3. Re-writing the part in a week would not be unheard of in Glee land. Also, it would not be a major, major re-write. Adam may have only had a few scenes in his first episode to begin with.

And that’s all I got.

UPDATE: Well, Adam’s publicist isn’t very happy with me right now:

 

The only comment I’m going to make here:

1. I’m being accused in certain quarters of making up the spoiler out of whole cloth for hits. Why would I do that? My reputation as a spoiler is much more important than some initial burst of hits.

2. This tip came from a spoiler I’ve used before. And the original source was deep inside of production. I even saw copies of a text conversation. I had every reason to believe it was true. And if you knew the details, you would have believed it too.

3. Adam’s publicist job is to shoot down rumors. That’s why she’s paid the big bucks.

  • Vetle Hovland

    That’s actually really disappointing. :| Would be so cool.

  • Ronnie D

    A version of Applause by Adam? Show me where to buy! :) I am glad about the drag queen part. Does every gay person on this show have to be stereotypical?

  • No Thanks

    Glad to know exactly when he starts taping his episodes.

    I’m kinda glad they’re not going the drag queen route. Even though he would look FIERCE as one, I didn’t think that was the image Adam wanted to portray. I’m assuming going on Glee is to help re-introduce him to “mainstream” America. Drag queen would NOT have been a smart move.

  • jpfan2

    Sounds like a wise move. It is cool that they rewrote it as he wished.

  • H.A.

    Yes, Adam set those rules. I was starting to warm up with the idea if he played a duel role with one being the evil twin. Henry and Henrietta. That would have been interesting but I’m glad Adam played it like a BOSS. No drag Queen.

  • sethjulian

    Every Character on the show is a stereotypy. just saying

  • Larc

    The drag bit would have been nothing more than cheap exploitation, IMO. I’m delighted Adam said no.

  • No Thanks

    There was no way he could have tucked the “glambulge” any ways. :op

  • H.A.

    LOL.

  • koshka

    Well I guess that super duper insider info wasn’t that super duper?! I suspect drag queen story line wasn’t on the table for a hot second.

  • suenigma

    Thank Freaking God!

  • Kariann Hart

    I am also happy that Adam won’t be taking that Drag Queen type of role. He will be a powerful force on the show. I am excited!

  • Sharon S.

    He met with the writers/producers this week? He’s been rehearsing with Queen in Vegas since Monday.

    If a drag queen storyline were ever actually a possibility, and if Adam were at all uncomfortable with it, I’m glad he stood his ground and refused. He is very clued into drag culture and has many friends within it, so the last thing he’d ever want to do would be to treat it with any disrespect. Not to mention not doing himself any favors imagewise, either. A sensitively handled storyline could have been awesome and attention-getting. A poorly handled one could have been a disaster.

  • Mel432

    If the producers and writers knew anything about Adam, they would know that he never liked being stereotyped, whether for himself or anyone else.

  • Jaejae1

    Hurray! no Drag! Other then that, I don’t care what he sings! :D

  • Jaejae1

    I’m sure the tweets he got from fans not cool with the idea may have been some insentive to get it changed. Even if he were ok with it at first. Just glad that is NOT what he is doing. They already have a boy in girls clothes on that show. They really need to bring Glee back more to the neutral position. I think it;s way too left leaning and Adam doing drag would not have warmed the hearts of the 18-49 yo demo which they want to win back.

  • mitchellvii

    Why have Adam play a gay at all? Shock everyone by having him play a straight in a relationship with a woman. I mean hell, they have straights playing gays.

  • Sharon S.

    If a change that major were decided upon that recently, that would mean a hell of a lot of very, very hasty replotting. If he were going to be a drag queen, that would undoubtedly have been the driving force of his plotline. Suddenly having to trash that at the last minute is an enormous undertaking.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    It’s not a made up spoiler. Unless someone very very VERY close to production is s straight up liar.

  • Sharon S.

    Didn’t say it was made up. But my point stands – that’s a huge amount of very fast work that will have to be done if it was a last minute change.

  • No Thanks

    Not really. Let’s say my theory of “mild mannered NYADA teacher by day, diva drag queen by night” idea was close to what they were planning. They could still do something similar; but instead of drag queen, he’s just a wild showman who wears make-up, glitter and fur. You know, the usual.

  • Montavilla

    Aw. I’m disappointed. However, someone proposed a storyline in an earlier thread that seemed very plausible — only it would lose impact if it weren’t a surprise. If that hypothetical plot was anything close to the actual storyline, I’m glad they’re adjusting.

    A similar thing happened at the end of the second season. Glee had set up a storyline and it got leaked before the show aired. According to the scuttlebutt of the time, Ryan Murphy blew a gasket and they had to reshot a bunch of stuff at the last minute.

    But I guess we’ll never really know.

  • No Thanks

    Honestly, TV writers deal with this kind of stuff all of the time. Glee deals with stars with even bigger demands than anything Adam can dish out.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Happy he ditched “Judas” – I’m sure there were reasons besides its just being a stinker of a song.

  • Montavilla

    And quite a few gays play straight characters.

  • No Thanks

    Tell the Glee writers to work this song into one of Adam’s episodes:

    http://youtu.be/ymKLymvwD2U

  • koshka

    LOL I think it was made up ;) or at least the source got ahead of themselves and leaked unconfirmed info.

  • Montavilla

    That’s the theory I was talking about. (It’s a great storyline, BTW. I love it.)

    Thing is, if it’s not a surprise reveal, then it loses all impact. Which I think it is a more plausible reason for Adam to request a rewrite than that he doesn’t want to look “too gay” on TV. Not that I’m in his head at all.

    To Sharon, though: It may be a big amount of work, but it’s less so if the drag queen part was supposed to come later in the arc. Right now it’s all just words on a page.

    So, let’s say his big dark secret isn’t doing drag, but… hmmm…. cosplay. He secretly dresses up like Lucius Malfoy for the Leakycon. (I think that might be much more embarrassing for a NYADA professor.) But, with a few weeks notice, it’s easy enough to change the set from “dive drag bar” to “hotel convention room.” And to tell the extras to wear Potterwear instead of glittery gowns.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    It’s definitely NOT made up. These are spoilers AS THEY HAPPEN.

    This is television production. Changes are constantly being made behind the scenes. It’s really not a weird thing.

    But I knew this would happen. There’s a particular corner of the fandom who will grasp at any opportunity to discredit me. Wouldn’t be the first time. lol.

  • Mel432

    ITA. Like I mentioned above. Adam never liked being stereotyped. He can easily pull off playing straight. In interviews, he just seems like a typical guy, funny as hell, but nevertheless, just another guy. He hasn’t even been wearing eye makeup for quite a few months, and even in concerts, he just wears jeans, shirts and leather jackets (or suits).

  • No Thanks

    I still think they should incorporate Adam’s Zodiac Show roots into the show.

    http://youtu.be/HvEZW1Ss6QQ

  • Sharon S.

    Speaking for myself, raising questions or issues is not an attempt to discredit, and shouldn’t be unexpected when dealing with rumors – especially rumors that don’t pan out. It’s part of the risk in posting a rumor; the payoff is awesome when the rumor turns out to be true, but not so much when it doesn’t – for whatever reason.

  • koshka

    Well thats a bit of stereotyping. I don’t think you will find my posting to be from that corner of the universe.

    Besides we are talking about the source, not you MJ. I’m skeptical of all sources, especially in the entertainment business which runs on rumor and innuendo. Just because I don’t believe a source doesn’t make me a crazy fan.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    Oh, God, they had him as a drag queen?! Yikes! I just think that would have been disastrous for him, I’m glad they changed it- he should not have agreed to that in the first place, it’s a shame they couldn’t have just wanted his beautiful voice on the show. There is nothing wrong of course with being a drag queen- but since he is already so flamboyant, he might be pigeon-holed in that typecast for a long time.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    I didn’t say you. I was careful to say it was a particular corner, and not every fan.

    But I’m sorry. This:

    @run4roses: .@mjsbigblog Adam-Glee spoiler is such BS. He’s been in Vegas all week rehearsing w/Queen. The “info” was made up to start with. Moving on.

    @Lindajean139 click baity article.

    ?@Lindajean139
    @IDreamIn4D and of course bait the troll traffic. That’s why I never go there. She made the whole thing up in the 1st place

    Is a typical trope from “that corner”. My twitter timeline is calm because I’ve got so many of them blocked.

    Believe my source or not. I just want to make clear that I didn’t pull it out of my ass. Or make up some shit or post a half-baked spoiler for hits.

    If a spoiler is wrong, that’s my reputation on the line. I am careful.

  • Q_3

    Adam tweeted that the rumor was not correct at the time.

    Adam Lambert @adamlambert
    Rumors are funny, pesky lil things.
    9:45 PM – 11 Sep 13

    Adam Lambert @adamlambert
    What I’m sayin is- the rumor mill warps the facts. Be patient lil Glamhoppers: wait and see. ;)
    9:49 PM – 11 Sep 13

    So at least someone knew this was not happening — Adam. We should know by now that Adam may not say everything he knows but he does not lie. And he said that the facts were warped.

    Adam has worked very hard to build his image and protect his personal brand. I am certain that Adam and his management are smart enough to negotiate an acceptable role, songs and scripts or he will walk away.

  • Q_3

    No one has said that Adam agreed to anything. In fact, we do not even know if this “Adam in drag” idea was real, or was in a treatment, or made it into a draft script, or anything. All we know is Adam tweeted that the facts were warped ie it was not correct.

  • Montavilla

    It’s all hypothetical. The only objection I would have is that your original storyline required something that he wouldn’t want people to know about. Nobody at NYADA would sneer at a professor being a wild showman in a Zodiac-type show. They’d arrange field trips for all the students and put it on the cover of their brochure. :)

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    He didn’t agree to it in the first place. He never agreed to it.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Not really. TV scripts are written pretty quickly, and changes are often done on the fly.

  • Trisha26

    No Thanks.

  • Trisha26

    For Adam’s first actual acting role on television seen by millions you want him to play straight? I can only imagine the backlash – making him “palatable” for the masses. How about letting him be himself?

  • suenigma

    I said it before in the other thread, and I’ll say it again, Adam posted his tweets BEFORE MJ posted the drag Update. So I fail to see how he could have been directly shooting down her scoop.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    I posted the Drag Queen rumor HOURS after he posted those tweets.

    He was reacting the song spoiler rumors. And in fact, He’s NOT singing Judas. So yes, the original song spoiler going around the web was not quite true.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Exactly right.

  • No Thanks

    Because he will be an ACTOR playing a ROLE. He should be able to play the complete opposite of himself if the story calls for it.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Yeah, can’t shoot down an article that wasn’t even posted.

  • Mel432

    So, they should get real murderers and rapists to play those parts? What about doctors, lawyers, CEO’s, firefighters, policemen, etc. That’s why there is a profession called actors. They act out different roles that are different than themselves. On Glee, Kate Hudson played a dance instructor, Matt Morrison played a teacher, and on and on.

  • supersonic

    Because it has to be believable?

  • Sharon S.

    He has played straight characters on stage.

  • supersonic

    Which is basically Glee. They do everything on the fly. Continuity goes out the window; they pander to certain fanbases so stuff just doesn’t make any sense.

    So, it shouldn’t be hard to make these changes because they were never set in stone in the first place.

  • ANNIEBA

    Well, I thought it was strange when the drag queen spoiler was posted that no other media picked up on it. It was basically just discussed on these type blogs. I would have thought this was juicy enough to have made the rounds but it really didn’t. I think if it was a true possibility it got quashed fairly quickly but MJs source was maybe unaware of that.
    I kind of thought it could turn out to be a fun premise but obviously Adam is in charge of his own image and will not be asked to do anything he is not comfortable with. He is no pushover, lol.

  • supersonic

    And was it believable?

  • babyspock

    because singing Judas is so horrible that he just had to squash that rumor right away…not.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Got to laugh at that first tweet. Yes, actors never receive copies of scripts or outlines before filming, nor are capable of dealing with exchange of ideas from anywhere but the filming lot. @.@

  • Sharon S.

    I wasn’t there. I assume you weren’t, either. But he was cast more than once as a romantic lead, so presumably he pulled it off well enough for those that cast him.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Exactly. Let’s consider just how quickly the episode for Finn was written and filmed. Adam’s episodes still have a couple of months until air. More than enough time to make several more changes should they want.

  • milwlovesadam

    Yes. He was the understudy for Fiyero in Wicked in LA, for a long time. When he did get the chance to go on, he was very believable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RZHvNm6oKeU

  • ANNIEBA

    You don’t think it is possible that Adam may have been alerted to the rumor going public? He may posted those tweets already knowing the idea got leaked and was probably already rejected by him anyway. I think the idea was discussed and the source decided to run with it but it had yet to be accepted by Adam.

  • HermeticallySealed

    He didn’t “squash” anything. All he said was that not all rumors were facts. And why would he be “squashing” something that NO-ONE had even mentioned yet?

  • iluvai

    I just want Adam to get a chance to act. I am so frustrated that his sexuality is always foremost instead of his incredible talent. Maybe he should have just kept it all quiet like Neil Patrick Harris. I don’t believe that at all, but I hope Adam gets his opportunity to shine.

  • taylor

    Yeah, I figured the rumor could be bogus when Adam himself was basically snarking on the whole idea. When Adam started following the drag queen with the facial hair and then sent out pics on Instagram of him wearing that hilarious wig, I knew the rumors were just that.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    The rumor had not been discussed anywhere but here.

  • taylor

    Quick, someone tell Ryan Murphy that Kevin McHale shouldn’t be playing a guy in a wheelchair and that Darren Criss and Naya Rivera should be straight on the show since they are straight in real life. ;)

  • taptap

    What does makeup have to do with it? Plenty of straight guys, esp. in the entertainment industry, wear makeup, esp. eye makeup (like Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day). Makeup doesn’t make someone gay (or straight, for that matter).

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    You can believe it or not, but the drag queen character was a real thing.

  • Q_3

    He did not refer to any specific rumors, so how do any of us know what he was responding to? We can only guess unless he says something specific. But he could have easily link the PopWrapped link if it was about the songs.

    I think he said rumors — and he meant rumors — both the song spoilers and the drag rumor.

    The fact that he Tweeted a link to Jodie Harsh’s site early in the morning of the 11th, seems meaningful to me. Jodie Harsh is a very famous London-based drag queen.

    Adam Lambert @adamlambert
    .@jodieharsh http://ultranocturne.com
    3:18 AM – 11 Sep 13

    I do not think it was a coincidence that Adam tweeted a link to a drag queen and about 12 hours later a rumor that Adam will be in drag on Glee surfaced.

    If “Adam doing drag” on Glee was considered and he killed it, he easily could have known about it before 9/11/13 when it was posted here. And if it had been proposed, I am sure he knew it would leak. Everything from GLEE seems to leak.

  • Q_3

    I agree — I doubt Adam was shooting down MJs scoop but I think he was shooting down a bunch of Glee rumors — and no insult to MJ, but more than one person associated with Glee would have to have know about the “Adam in drag idea” unless someone made it up. And I do not think someone made it up. So it had to be discussed.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    I think he said rumors — and he meant rumors — both the song spoilers and the drag rumor.

    Adam is a lot of things BUT HE’S NOT A MIND READER! I posted the rumor HOURS AFTER HIS INITIAL TWEET!

    There is simply NO WAY HE COULD RESPOND TO SOMETHING I HADN’T POSTED YET–That NOBODY had posted yet. I was the first.

    Also, the drag queen character WAS STILL A THING WHEN I REPORTED IT. It changed after the fact.

  • Trisha26

    Did any of the people who replied below actually read what I wrote? I said for his “first” role. I’m not saying he couldn’t play a straight role, just for his first foray into TV acting (not counting PLL), his reintroduction to the viewing public (who might not have followed his career post-Idol) as a character closer to “him” might be preferable. Years ago when he was asked about appearing on Glee, who would he play, etc. he said “why couldn’t I just play myself?” Lighten up everybody, not passing a judgement, just offering a reply to the OP. :)

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    The drag queen character was still a thing when I reported it. There was nothing to shoot down yet.

  • Q_3

    I agree with you — Adam was not tweeting about your post — and I did not comment that he was. I commented that Adam said the rumors were not true. And either he anticipated the “Adam in drag” rumor and has ESP with his drag queen tweet on 9/11/13 OR he knew it was out there and tried to preempt too much fan craziness. I believe the later.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    That’s total speculation on your part. There’s no way of knowing WHAT Adam was thinking.

    He wasn’t responding to the drag rumor, because it didn’t exist yet.

  • Q_3

    So was this discussed within the production team and leaked without Adam or his management knowing that they wanted him to play a drag queen?

  • Q_3

    Trisha, I sort of agree with you. But not because of any backlash fear.

    Adam is a role model for many who really appreciate his message that it is OK to be LBGTQ or just yourself. Since Glee’s audience has a lot of people who are 13 to 18 years old and working out who they are, I think it is a really good place for a gay man to play a gay man — hopefully in an honest and respectful way — and hopefully with some humor and a lot of music. [and no drag!! ;) ]

    He will have plenty of opportunities to play a straight person.

  • Q_3

    He certainly did have fun with it. The wig photo was truly hilarious. Glamhoppers, drag queens with beards, wild wigs, LMD moving up the chart, Glee production start approaching and iHRMF on Friday. It’s been one entertaining week!!

  • supersonic

    Yeah, well. I am laughing at the thought of Lambert playing straight. It just would not be believable to me.

  • HKfan

    so you’re saying you knew what character he was supposed to play before he did?

  • HKfan

    He’s made out with many women,,,I’m sure he could make it look believable…..he managed to look realistic enough in the Details mag photo shoot….

  • Rachel Monroe

    What Micheal C Hall isn’t really a serial killer?

  • Rachel Monroe

    Maybe he “meet” with them via a conference call or video chat.

  • HKfan

    I don’t think anyones trying to discredit you…its just a bit odd that the only place (at least that I’ve seen, maybe there were others) that mentioned the drag queen scenario was here.

  • Sharon S.

    Well, I can’t argue with that. Literally. It would be the textbook definition of “pointless.” But I think I’ll put more stock in the opinions of theatre professionals who actually saw him act and were willing to cast him in straight roles than I will in yours.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Umm, actors are often the last to know what is in a script. Additionally, Adam made it clear many times that he had no clue what part he was playing. Exactly why then would it be so far fetched that the production team bounced around an idea for him to play, that he was unaware about?

    Yes, he made fun of it. Later, by days even. Are you really claiming that he couldn’t have been making fun of their idea for him. Have you honestly never had a job or teacher want you to do something, or come up with some idea that made you want to laugh at the sheer stupidity?

    Consider this, this reaction of denial is pretty much what people said about the 80′s covers album. “Oh Adam would never do that!” Well, yeah, he wouldn’t, which is why he chose to opt out. OH and look at that, he made fun of that idea too!!

    Seriously, there is way too much thought going into this, and to what end exactly? Let’s face it, Ryan and crew are not exactly innovative, and Adam is known for his willingness to blur gender lines and dress up and can bring attitude to a performance. Drag queens blur gender lines, dress up, sing (well . . . lip synch) and have the diva attitudes. I can easily see this crew coming up with drag queen as a character for Adam, for many reasons. Mostly because they’re lazy writers.

    Personally, I’m just thankful he said ‘no.’

  • magsmagenta

    Although I have nothing against Drag Queens, I think they are a lot of fun, I don’t think this would have been a good idea for Adam. He has done drag in the past, but appears to have decided that it wasn’t for him. If they really want to include a Drag Queen they should get Raja/Sutan, Adams good friend, he/she is a brilliant Drag Queen.

    Applause is a really good choice for Adam, but I’m glad he isn’t singing Judas, When I first saw that idea I had it mixed up with the song Judas sang in Jesus Christ Superstar, Heaven on their minds, when I realised it was the Lady Gaga song I was disappointed, that was all wrong.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6jwOWiOz5k

  • jpfan2

    The story has been out for awhile and a simple tweet by Adam would have ended it on day one. He didn’t need to be cryptic. I’ve been here a bit and MJ doesn’t print unsubstantiated rumors. If she says it was legit, why not believe it? I don’t get the big deal about whether it was for real or not.

    I think it’s cool that the show was willing to rewrite a part to suit an actor.
    Drag queen sounded cliche but it had potential to create buzz.Since filming is starting soon, Adam’s role will soon leak and end all the rumors. Off the top of my head, I’d say this indicates Adam’s role didn’t involve major plot points but I rarely watch Glee so I have no idea.

  • jms

    Thank goodness about the drag thing, “drag art” is a little…. well, abstract for me, I guess.

  • Not fit to print

    I like this show but this whole story saddens me. If the writers at Glee are looking at Adam and they see drag queen and Judas, he might be better off walking away from the show. At the very least it looks as though he may have given up a song in order to avoid the not-so-subtle use of his religion to amplify the meaning of Judas. Good for him.

    I am an older fan and the decades I grew up in give me a different POV on this matter. Conflating betraying Jew and Gay in one character and one episode is too much for me, regardless of who plays the role.

  • HermeticallySealed

    While I didn’t like the idea (had too many problems with DQ’s in the past >.> ), it really isn’t that far fetched a fit for Adam. Lazy and stereotypical, yes, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say it was a bad idea.

    Let’s face it, Adam likes to play with gender bending, he loves over the top costumes and performances. He loves the divas, and has supported the notion of putting forth a “fierce” stag persona, etc. Drag is gender bending, and gaudy costumes, music and divas and attitude. On a show whose standard is “obvious” and “stereotypical”, the idea seems pretty natural, if lazy.

    Adam has plenty of friends in the drag community, so I sincerely doubt he’d feel there was anything innately bad about such a role. However, I can certainly see him feeling it a bit too obvious or stereotypical and not wanting to go that direction.

  • Not fit to print

    Agree about Adam’s role in the plotline. Recurring characters would have minimal control over their roles. Regular cast members and guest stars are another thing.

    As far as Adam’s tweets on this matter, it’s very possible that Adam’s only option was cryptic. Confidentiality clauses are very clear about script discussion and Adam may already have tripped over the line with the Demi Lovato tweet. It’s also unlikely he would want to publicize a point of disagreement with Glee. The tweets he issued were intended to dampen online reaction from the only people who were interested in his storyline: Gleeks and Glamberts.

  • Vetle Hovland

    That’s a really good point. You changed my mind. I would love seeing him portray a drag queen, but I can see how it might not be the smartest thing to do.

  • Vetle Hovland

    Haven’t pretty much all the gay guest actors played straight characters though? (Matt Bomer (kinda ironic since he plays Blaine’s brother), Cheyenne Jackson, Ricky Martin are those I can think of right now)

  • Larc

    Although it may not have been purposely so, I think it was an insulting idea. Adam is gay, so they give him a stereotypically gay role. It’s not unlike casting the black actors in stereotypically subservient roles. The latter would clearly be racist. The former is no less offensive, IMO.

  • seashellz51

    Yes, I believe you are correct. MJ posted SONG spoilers, then Adam tweeted about “pesky little rumors” and then MJ posted the drag queen spoiler. I think Adam was shooting down the part about him singing Judas. However the Applause spoiler was correct. My own guess is that he and Glee had squashed the drag queen idea but maybe it hadnt reached everyone’s knowledge yet including the “inside source”. Oh well. I sort of figured if Adam was gonna play a drag queen he must have seen the script and storyline and felt comfortable with it being as it is a sort of out there storyline. (for some people) Anyways, its not a big deal to me. I like the fact that Adam is conscious of how he may be portrayed and took steps to control it. But a part of me was wanting to see some drag….lol

  • waitingforthe1

    If the writers/producers had a fully formed character with storyline details and plot points I doubt they would have so easily agreed to rewrite everything a week before Adam is set to start filming.

    he’s not a big enough name to warrant that kind of consideration IMO.
    Makes me think someone was incorrect. Wouldn’t be the first time a source was wrong about something or that false information was reported.
    No harm no foul.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    It wouldn’t necessarily be a change in story line. It could be just a matter of how he’s dressed when performing a song.

    Like I said. Sticking to my story. Believe it or not.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    I can’t confirm that, because I’m not 100% sure of the timing around when Adam found out the details of his character.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    I can’t 100% confirm the timing on what Adam knew when, so I’m going to say that I don’t know.

  • writergal

    Many women? What? I think he admitted to making out with one, once when he was very drunk. And he’s played straight characters before, but from what I’ve seen of what he did in “Wicked”…not very convincingly.

  • DeanD

    The only thing I like about Adam being on Glee is that it gives him exposure as he navigates the next part of his career and we’ll get some new music, other than that, I don’t care for Murphy and Co. writing abilities. And these changes make me worried still for what they plan on doing with Adam.

  • Ronnie D

    Im glad he is on because we will get to download the songs he does, which is pretty much new music until his new album comes out. Plus it keeps him in the spotlight, as you pointed out. I think it’s smart of Adam to go on Glee. Plus he is on that Avicii track which just keeps his name out there even more. I’d say his management team is doing one hell of a job as well.

  • seashellz51

    The actual quote is “I’ve been known to make out with girls from time to time. Couple drinks
    involved, you know, it’s fun. And who knows, maybe it’ll go further
    someday.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/adam-lambert-on-2020-comi_n_215208.html

  • Montavilla

    And Neil Patrick Harris. NPH mentions being married, and also having a crush on Will’s wife back in high school.

    I don’t know that any of the characters except NPH’s were straight, though. I don’t think the subject came up.

    Oh, but Jonathon Groff played a straight character, too.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    The whole thing is kinda odd. As someone mentioned, Adam said he didn’t know what part he would be playing. When do shows hire actors before they create the parts? That seems rare to me to do that unless you are a high caliber star like Cher or something- but there doesn’t even seem to be a role for him to audition with- and since the news came out the same week about parting with RCA, it seems this whole casting was done just to distract from the news of parting with the record company. They seem to have done him a favor with no specific role in mind. But it will probably work out in the end.

  • ANNIEBA

    Lol, yeah TV shows are generous like that. Anything they can do to help out!
    The worst thing about this is we are back to having no clues about what Adam’s role is going to be. I still think it have something to do with Rachel trying out of Funny Girl last season and they don’t want to give the result of the audition away. Well not much longer to find out I hope.

  • taptap

    You do realize that an awful lot of male actors are gay, right? And that many – probably most – are not out of the closet. And that in turn, most viewers don’t realize they’re watching a gay man play a straight character. It’s believable because they’re… wait for it… actors.

  • taylor

    “Are you really claiming that he couldn’t have been making fun of their idea for him.”
    Adam was snarking on the rumors, not the actual facts. We don’t know that this rumor was actually a concrete idea or concept, or that IF it was even a random idea for a single song, it had been communicated to Adam in anyway.

  • taptap

    Exactly how many women do you think Rock Hudson made out with in his life? He sure had those middle American women in suburbia fooled, though.

    Entertainment is an escape from reality. Viewers have to accept some willing suspension of disbelief, otherwise they couldn’t enjoy any of it – movies, concerts, theatre, etc. If you can’t do that, you won’t enjoy it, simple as that. Most producers don’t worry about those people. They focus on those who are willing to suspend their disbelief in trade-off for the entertainment to be had. That’s why Glee and every other successful tv show, movie, and play works.

  • taptap

    I take exception to one thing you said: ‘He has done drag in the past, but appears to have decided that it wasn’t for him.’

    He’s clearly said he’s never been interested in doing drag in any but a costume party kind of way. If that constitutes trying drag, then everyone who ever dressed up for Halloween or a costume party has tried drag and decided that perhaps it’s not a thing for them. Dressing as a women when you’re straight usually means costume party. It’s actually the same for gays – unless they’re legitimately practicing the art of Drag. Adam has clearly said he never has, and has no interest in that.

    There’s a lot of blurring the lines here, simply because he’s gay, but believe me, being gay does not automatically include an interest in drag. Adam’s no more a drag queen than he is an Indian chief, even though he costumed as both a woman and a Native American at different times in his life. Oh, and guess what? He’s not a vampire either, although I’m pretty sure we’ll see him dressed as one again in the future.

  • taptap

    The rumors included Adam singing Judas (and Applause) and Adam playing drag. They never said he would be in drag while singing Judas. The producers are not going to pack every idea they have for his character into one scene.

  • taptap

    Well clearly RM thinks Adam is a catch, since it’s not like he has a long acting resume to sell himself. I think it’s funny that people in the Idol bubble really don’t recognize the degree of demand and interest Adam generates outside the bubble and in the entertainment industry at large. It’s pretty impressive tbh.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    And I think it’s funny that people in the Adam bubble think he is much more popular and in demand than he really is.

  • Montavilla

    Honestly, I think that has more to do with the execution than with the concept. If you’re writing a story that takes place in 1830 in Richmond, Virginia and it includes a servant, then that’s most likely going to be played by a black actor. Whether or not that character is stereotypical depends on the way the character is written and how the part is played. Look at the different ways “black butler” have been played by Eddie “Rochester” Anderson, Robert Guillaume, Samuel L. Jackson, and Forrest Whittaker.

    Without doing a survey, I’d guess that most of the men doing drag in this country are gay, but there is such a diversity of styles within the drag community, that you could put twelve different drag queens in a room and have twelve completely different approaches, looks, performances, and personalities.

    And there have been any number of straight performers who have done drag. Of the top of my head, 5/6s of Monty Python, 4/5s of the Kids in the Hall, Dustin Hoffman, Tony Curtis, Jack Lennon, Robin Williams, Tom Hanks, John Lithgow, Jack Gilford, John Belushi, and Dan Ackroyd. I’ll bet I’m forgetting somebody.

    Now, the common thread in that list of names is that they were all playing for laughs (except kinda, sorta Dustin Hoffman and John Lithgow). So, maybe the non-stereotypical thing would be to write a non-comedic drag queen role. I really would have liked to see that — and I think both Adam and Glee could have pulled it off.

  • Montavilla

    Right, and there’s a lot more to drag than putting on a dress and heels.

  • Montavilla

    Yes, there’s really no way to know from where we collectively sit. And it’s easy to spin it either way.

    He does a series of concerts with Queen. Is that because he’s a great vocalist, or because he can’t sustain a career on his own? He does a bunch of concerts in Asia. Does that mean he’s a worldwide star, or does it mean that he can’t raise a crowd in America? He does guest appearances on Pretty Little Liars, VH1 Divas, and Glee. Does that mean he’s in demand or that he’s got nothing better to do and these TV producers are throwing him crumbs?

    :) Take your choice.

  • waitingforthe1

    how do they think he’s much more in demand and popular than he is?

    Is he performing with Queen this Friday? YES

    Has that been widely discussed and publicized outside the idol bubble? YES

    Is he going to be appearing on Glee this season? YES

    Has that been widely discussed and publicized outside the idol bubble? YES

    is he a guest vocalist on the new Avicii album? YES

    Has that been widely discussed and publicized outside the idol bubble? YES

    Has he been a staple of this blog for the last 4 years with articles that mention him getting 100s more comments than anyone else? YES

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    I still think it have something to do with Rachel trying out of Funny Girl last season and they don’t want to give the result of the audition away.

    That horse has left the barn…the results have already been spoiled by on set photos which were leaked, and then released officially yesterday.

  • waitingforthe1

    Adam is popluar outside the idol bubble that’s a fact.

  • Not fit to print

    Into one episode and one character is enough for me and those were the words I used.

  • DD

    You honestly think Adam could have denied being gay with the way he acts and dresses? Because had he not brought it up, the paps and everyone else would have been all up his butt about it.
    And just because he may have been scheduled to play a drag queen, is not because he is gay. It is because he pulls off effeminate very well.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Reminder: Deleting partisan wank arguing over what the respective bubbles think and who is popular where. It’s fanwarwish speculation and off topic.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Because had he shot down an idea he didn’t approve, he couldn’t possibly joke about it afterwards? Sorry, but I fail to see how him joking about something somehow negates it having any truth to it, rather than just finding it a funny concept. Ideas for episodes constantly get changed around because someone or another doesn’t approve. Not seeing this as all that complicated as people seem to want it to be.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Why would anyone have to be incorrect. Nothing is final until the episode airs. If they managed to deal with something as major as Finn’s death in a matter of weeks, a character who has a huge impact on the storyline, a guest part that is most likely only a few episodes of impact, is nothing to deal with. I sincerely doubt Adam was intended to change the face of the Glee universe.

  • taptap

    Well you’re still assuming all of that would be in one episode as well. As to ‘all of that’ being done by one character, singing is not doing drag. That’s two things, which is not, imo, too much to devise for one character.

    How many songs is not really an issue in a show about singing. Clearly RM is bringing in Adam first and foremost because he can sing. I’m sure second is that he’s a hot commodity in the industry right now.

  • Lauriellen

    Check out THIS SPOILER! http://biggestleeker.blogspot.com/

  • Not fit to print

    I didn’t express any concern about “how many songs” nor did I use the phrase “all of that”. I didn’t suggest, nor do I think, that singing is doing drag, either.

    My entire comment is IMO and the words I used were “too much for me.”

  • lovetheusa1776

    I believe that. When Lambert refused to do it is unknown. Can only say that the possibility of the Glee writers asking a gay Jew to sing Gaga’s Judas (the video is repulsive in its easy mark – Christianity) is so bizarre as to be laughable.

    As he’s not the biggest star around – gutsy thing to do.

  • HKfan

    By making out, I mean kissing and things, not ‘all the way’ which is indeed 1 (as far as we know), he’s often said in interviews that he’s not adverse to kissing women.!! Ask Kesha if she thinks he made it believable or not!.

  • supersonic

    When do shows hire actors before they create the part?

    Glee does that all the time.

  • supersonic

    The producers are not going to pack every idea they have for his character into one scene.

    You don’t know this show, do you?

  • supersonic

    Not to me. That Details magazine thing was trying just a little bit too hard for me. It was also fan service.

  • supersonic

    Yes, a lot of male actors are gay. Some can pull off playing straight, some can’t. To me, Adam Lambert falls under the list of can’t.

  • supersonic

    Theatre professionals don’t know everything.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Looks like someone with entirely too much time on their hands. Guess everyone has to have a hobby.

  • Sharon S.

    Theatre professionals may not know ~everything, but in this case they know a heckuva more than someone who never even saw the performances.

  • taylor

    Theatre professionals that are casting for shows that make millions of dollars are paid to know everything. It’s their job to know which actors will work well in different roles. If the casting directors do a bad job, they lose their jobs and end up with bad reputations for future work. They take casting for Broadway shows very, very seriously.

  • Not fit to print

    Yes, I am assuming that Lady Gaga is not big enough to merit the Beatles treatment yet. Has anyone heard that her songs are getting two episodes?

  • taptap

    It’s true that I’ve only watched maybe 2 episodes of Glee – all in the first season, so I bow to your better knowledge of the show. ¯_(?)_/¯

    I’ll be watching every ep Adam is on, though.

  • taptap

    okie-dokie ¯_(?)_/¯

  • iluvai

    Adam can play what ever role is given to him. imo. :)

  • taptap

    I’m curious upon what you’re basing this conclusion? I mean he very well may not be a good actor. I couldn’t say because outside of a cameo on PLL where he spoke literally 4 words or so and played himself, he’s never acted except on the stage.

    I’ll be interested to see what he’s capable of, because I really have no point of reference for him in regards to television. Yes, he was the VH1 Divas host, but doing a couple of very short comedic sketches isn’t much to go on to assess true acting capability. After all, Ryan Seacrest is a universally acknowledged great host, but I have no idea if he can actually act, since one job doesn’t require the same skill set as the other.

    I expect acting will be a difficult skill for him to learn because I think it’s tough for everyone when they start out (okay, maybe it wasn’t for Meryl Streep and Robert DiNero etal). Maybe he’ll succeed, maybe he won’t. Regardless of the outcome, I’ll still be a fan, because first and foremost I love him as a musical artist.

  • iluvai

    Didn’t this show debut during Adam’s run on Idol??? I think tptb were banking on the crossover of his popularity on Idol to a show like this. :)

    I never got into Glee either. But if Adam is on I will be tuning in. :)

  • iluvai

    I’m so proud of Adam for being who he is. I have a little boy and because of Adam, my 10 year old knows I will love him regardless. I also think Adam is masculine in a super hot way! He’s not effeminate at all. But I could care less about that as well. I My point is who cares!!! Adam is just beautiful and talented and both sexes can appreciate that.

  • taptap

    I think Adam clearly has both a masculine and feminine side of his persona, and embraces both equally – he’s said so himself. I find his confidence in that dichotemy extremely sexy (not in the ‘omg I wanna convert him to my side!’ way, but in the ‘omg that man is hot, even in a dress!’ way).

    That being said, I agree with you – who cares? Adam’s fine with it, and so am I, and even if I were a gay guy (I’m neither gay nor a guy), it’s not like I’d be in line to sex him up, after all. Despite that, I can most definitely appreciate his considerable sex appeal, on top of that massively talented voice.

    People who aren’t okay with the duality of his nature – well that’s their problem to deal with, not his.

  • Kariann Hart

    See MJ, you have become this very powerful and all-knowing person. You are to be feared. ;o)

  • iluvai

    I just like him. Whatever he does, who he is, or how he acts. I’ve always felt that way. :)

  • taptap

    To paraphrase Kara D: I don’t know why, but he just makes me happy ¯_(?)_/¯

    (okay, I definitely do know why – I mean a sexy cupcake? Come on, that’s irresistible!)

  • Larc

    Adam has said before that he would like to play the part of Judas in JCS. Maybe that was a reason the song was considered.

  • 66Trey

    He doesn’t have to play a drag queen. He does quite well as tired queen.

  • 66Trey

    Glee is a morbid experience. Can’t believe that Murphy kept it going. He’d work his way around killer bees.

  • HKfan

    pretty sure they have had a Gaga week before…

  • taptap

    Ah, but he doesn’t look too tired when he’s fronting for Queen!

  • taylor

    In season 2, an extended 90 minute episode was centered around Lady Gaga’s song “Born This Way”, which she approved for use in Glee before the song premiered. It was the second episode to highlight Gaga’s music, the first one being season one’s “Theatricality”.

  • Esqt

    not on board w the drag thingee. too predictable & unimaginative. glad they “changed” their minds. *sigh of relief*

  • ANNIEBA

    He said himself, he’s the “Queen with Queen!”, lol. Speaking of, tomorrow is iHeart, Yay!!!!

  • Not fit to print

    Thanks to you and HK Fan – I did watch seasons 1 and 2 and actually remember the Theatricality episode (have to look up Born This Way, though.)
    What I meant was 2 episodes in a row this season, like the Beatles. It was suggested I shouldn’t assume that Adam would play a drag queen and sing Judas in the same episode. My answer: it seems likely those two performances would have been in the same episode since no one has advised that Gaga is getting two episodes in a row.

  • Not fit to print

    Hey love, see above… :)

  • Not fit to print

    I would prefer to think that was their intention but playing the Judas role in JCS is completely different from singing a song invoking a cheating boyfriend as Judas, complete with the 3 times (you will deny me) motif. I know Gaga likes to play with iconography and it’s a powerful cultural reference. Nothing bad intended by her but I can see why Adam might have a problem with that song. JMO. I’m still checking out season 4 and will watch this season.

  • Not fit to print

    I can see Adam pulling it off, too, which begs the question – what was it about the portrayal or context that didn’t feel right? We will never know.

  • taylor

    Glee doesn’t always focus on just one artist or band per show. A Lady Gaga song can pop up at any time, on any season, depending on the storyline.
    Beatles songs have been used in the past. That didn’t make that show a Beatles’ episode. The same holds true for Gaga’s songs or any other artist. She could have two separate songs used in one episode or in two consecutive weeks , but the episodes wouldn’t be dedicated to her. You never know with Glee, there isn’t really a set formula for songs.

  • Tangledweb

    Lets see if this makes it past the mod….
    Adams publicist has spoken on this matter.

    shoshannastone 48m
    It’s funny when some little blogs write nonsense then other little blogs pick it up

    SweetReunion22 46m
    @shoshannastone Fact checking seems a thing of the past. Nonsense is the order of the day it seems. Thankfully I believe little I read

    Cattituude 25m
    @shoshannastone I’m gonna take a wild guess it’s the same little blog I tweeted you about yesterday. https://twitter.com/Cattituude/status/380327353097789440

    shoshannastone 11m
    @Cattituude he was never asked to do drag. So silly. Completely made up. And the song info is wrong too.

    AdamLambertBr 6m
    @shoshannastone Thanks for the information… and neither “Applause”?

    shoshannastone 5m
    @AdamLambertBr i said the song is wrong…

    sandyzzzen 3m
    @shoshannastone @Cattituude Well, surely all these lies will be exposed and people will learn not to trust this blog (hope so)

    shoshannastone 1m
    @sandyzzzen @Cattituude well of course. As soon as it airs people will see that

  • vikkisusanne

    Hmmmm…. Please don’t punish the messenger. Just posting new info I just came across. From Twitter. Shoshanna is Adam’s publicist.

    shoshanna stone ?@shoshannastone 53m
    It’s funny when some little blogs write nonsense then other little blogs pick it up

    shoshanna stone ?@shoshannastone 16m
    he was never asked to do drag. So silly. Completely made up. And the song info is wrong too.

  • ANNIEBA

    Well I think it is good Adam’s publicist cleared this up. She also said what was great is that it was assumed he had enough clout to change the script a week before filming, lol.

  • Tangledweb

    Lol…wow, that was quick! That’s ok, a persons integrity and true motives eventually surface in the light of the day….

  • magsmagenta

    One thing which has made me uncomfortable about many of the comments in this thread is the way many people, including gay people and people who consider themselves to be not homophobic, seem to view drag as something seedy and not quite nice, as if it’s something that would be beneath him which is so unfair on Drag Queens in general. It is an art form in itself and can be used in many ways from Pantomime Dames to character creation such as Lily Savage and Dame Edna Everage, and yes I agree drag doesn’t necessarily mean Gay, just as make-up doesn’t necessarily mean gay either.
    Why someone would be offended by the suggestion that Adam may have considered Drag at some point I don’t understand, it would seem to me to have been a logical consideration to someone who loves flamboyant theatre to have at least considered the issue. Not necessarily because he’s gay, but because he’s flamboyant. After all he played Margaret Mead when he was in Hair and his version of My Conviction is amazing. He also entered drag competitions when he was with Brad Bell probably because the prize money supplemented their income. Of course he was a lot younger then, and experimenting with a lot of different looks. Are you telling me that he never considered Drag as an option even for a second? The very fact that he mentions it shows that he did, and discounted it.
    No Adam is not a Drag Queen and never seriously was, but the fact that you are offended by the suggestion I think reveals a deep seated dislike of the idea of drag itself which is a shame.

  • taptap

    I’m not offended that he dressed as a woman, not at all. And I know the contest you’re referring to with Adam and Brad dressed – he said it was to make money and that he wasn’t interested in being a drag queen outside of for that reason. I agree that real drag queens practice a difficult art, and was just trying to distinguish between that and Adam’s dressing for fun and a supplemental income.

    If you read my post as being offended by the suggestion of him doing drag, you’re reading it wrong, because I’m one of the fans who would have enjoyed seeing him do that.

  • Not fit to print

    I know that the shows aren’t automatically themed by artist. I watched it for the first two seasons.

  • magsmagenta

    In that case I really don’t understand your problem with what I wrote, I was simply giving an opinion based on what I know.

  • H.A.

    This is America. Drag Queens are underground for a reason. We can barely deal with people being openly gay without the homophobic comments. If this was Europe it would be no big deal. I personally don’t have a problem. If this was a serious role like Jared Leto playing a transgender I would say OK but your talking GLEE which is cheesy and full of cliches.

  • taptap

    My problem with your post is that you implied I was one of the middle american pearl clutchers weeping and wailing over the possibility of a gay man doing drag. I’m not and I wasn’t.

  • taylor

    Okay, I think I’m confused about what you were saying then. lol It was fun (and sad) to go back and look at the pictures and videos from season one. I’ve watched every show of every season, but haven’t rewatched any episodes from earlier seasons in a long time. Going back to season one is heartbreaking, watching Cory and seeing how young he looked. ;(

  • HermeticallySealed

    Hmmm, irony?

  • magsmagenta

    I meant what I wrote in my original post, not in the reply. We seem to be at cross purposes here.

  • Not fit to print

    Actually, it was such a cliche casting idea. We all should have seen that coming.

    FTR, I believe MJ acted in good faith. Either that production person made a mountain out of a molehill of info or Glee planted some wild info to catch a leaker. NVM. On to the next story….

    To tell you the truth, outside of general story lines hinting at hoped-for liaisons between favourite characters, I would rather be surprised anyway. Knowing what’s going to happen takes away some of the fun. Glee is giving too much away IMHO.

  • magsmagenta

    I had noticed a big difference in attitude between the US and the UK, I believe Queen had a lot of problems in some states in the US when hey released the I Want to Break Free video, whereas in the UK is was just seen as a bit of fun, and didn’t even tip many people off to Freddie being Gay. In fact it’s Roger who looks the most feminine in that video.

  • HermeticallySealed

    Pretty much this. Whether it outed a leaker or not, it certainly exposed the crazy. ::sigh::

  • taptap

    Yup, Queen stalled out in NA after that video. Europeans never seem to remember that the USA was founded by Puritans, and still has a hefty bunch of them milling about, mucking up the fun for the rest of us. They saw the video as being drag, rather than a British soap-opera parody. No sense of humor. And yup, Roger makes the cutest school girl in it.

  • magsmagenta

    We probably only get the most UK friendly of the US programmes here, which makes it easy to forget the differences, the internet is a revelation. The Interracial kiss on Star Trek also passed by without a blip here, even decades ago. And no one was surprised to see Uhura on the bridge.

  • H.A.

    Don’t forget Adam found his liberation when he went to Berlin while he toured with HAIR. He didn’t know there was a whole world out there. lol.

  • magsmagenta

    I wish I’d been there to see that :)

  • taptap

    The Kirk/Uhuru kiss on ST was a big scandal here, as I remember it (I was pretty young, though). I blame you guys though – you sent the Puritans our way!

    See without them we might now be a bunch of fun-loving French-Canadian/Akadian Mardi-Gras-ers partying late and leisurely eating beignets and drinking chickory coffee the next morning. Sigh.

  • magsmagenta

    FYI Freddie looks so much like my Auntie Carol in that vid it’s uncanny LOL

  • magsmagenta

    You’re welcome to them too :)

  • taptap

    Auntie Carol needs a lip-waxing ;>

  • taptap

    Yay for the kitty-kat club! The good times are always knocked askew by those that don’t like good times, though. Just ask the Weimar Republic.

  • magsmagenta

    I was just watched it on my DVD and it always reminds me of her :)

  • taptap

    Boo :<

  • taptap

    lolol as soon as you mentioned it I called it up on You Tube and watched it – twice!

  • ANNIEBA

    I don’t doubt that MJ acted in good faith but I think insinuating that Adam’s publicist is lying about Adam never having been asked to do drag is not right either. I believe the original source decided to have some fun or got things very wrong.
    Having never been anxious about the supposed drag queen scenario I am more upset now about the total lack of real spoilers, lol. Not even song spoilers? Sheesh!

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Publicists lie on behalf of their clients all the time. It’s actually not a bad thing. It’s part of their job.

    Look, I have no idea what’s going on here at this point, and I never will.

  • taptap

    Me too. Those were the days.

  • jan

    A publicist can shape the truth – without actually lying. Adam was never asked to to do drag. So maybe – he was just told that it was a scenario that they were thinking about – without actually asking him.

    Sometimes spoilers are wrong – and sometimes things change because of a spoiler – the people in charge see reactions to a spoiler and change it up.

    But no, we will never know what actually happened – unless Ryan Murphy himself says something – a highly unlikely scenario – LOL unless there is a future tell-all book.

  • Not fit to print

    Agree. This is such a small matter that prevarication by a publicist is hardly a LIE. It’s not as if Adam did something despicable and she’s covering it up

    I prefer to believe that the source had a momentary brain fart or was sussed out in a prank by Ryan and company. Either way, MJ is shopping for a new source, which is all in a day’s work for a blogger anyway. No biggie.

  • magsmagenta
  • ANNIEBA

    Right, because it like saying a blogger made up or shaped a story to get hits, because that is their job. J/S

  • HermeticallySealed

    Not really.

  • jpfan2

    What a weird story. I believe MJ got info that she thought was valid. Maybe her source was completely off base. Maybe Adam’s publicist is full of it or is conveying info in good faith. I really don’t know.

    I think the publicist should drop the arch comments though. Is she pissed that the rumor involved playing a drag queen? A simple comment about rumors being wrong is enough.

    Unless Adam’s involved in some suprise plot twist I don’t what get the big deal is anyway. In a few weeks everyone is going to know what his role is. Spoilers are supposed to be fun.

  • lkingcorn

    Good wasn’t thrilled with the drag concept…leave that for Rajah. Not crazy about Applause but it certainly is current.

  • mitchellvii

    I find it very hard to believe Glee would have Adam perform in drag or that he would have ever initially agreed to such a thing. Especially since Adam has gone no makeup since his skin got better and he wasn’t trying to cover.

  • Q_3

    Shoshanna Stone shoots down rumors all the time not just for Adam — she has other major clients including Britney Spears. And she has never passed on wrong information that I know of.

  • Q_3

    I do not recall ever seeing Shoshanna Stone lie on Adam’s behalf — and I doubt that she is doing it now. If she says it did not happen, it did not happen. And her tweet is a flat denial — not spin or not shaping anything.

    And Adam was not in LA this week to meet with anyone from Glee — so that part of the story is impossible.

    On the other hand, I have read this blog long enough that I am equally certain that MJ received information that made this look real.

    I am really not sure what the big deal about it is since everyone seems to agree it is not happening — and that is really good news.

  • Disraeli99

    lolol – I guess she told you huh, MJ? :) Just when I thought things couldn’t get any more tired and stale round here we get some good old fashioned bitchslappin, lolol… Carry on.

  • jpfan2

    Wow, I thought Adam’s publicist was unprofessional and kind of condescending for no reason. I guess different strokes LOL.

  • Disraeli99

    Isn’t that response or behavior kinda par for the course, tit for the proverbial tat in Idolville? LOLOLOL… Pot, kettle, yada yada, tee hee. Most interesting thing to happen in Idol land in ages. *Yawn*

  • Eileen99

    How on earth would you possibly know that she has never lied on behalf of Adam or anyone else? I don’t know how a fan or anyone else can state that as fact unless you’re part of his management or PR team.

    I know some fans think they know everything about the object of their affection but it seems nonsensical to assume you know what is a lie and what is not when you don’t even know the parties involved personally.

  • ANNIEBA

    Shoshanna’s comments were pretty direct, she was pretty much scoffing at the whole thing. This is why I didn’t see where all this spinning and shaping was coming from. She had no reason to spin anything anyway as there was nothing wrong with the premise, IMO. But at least now we know we are not going to see Adam in a dress anytime soon. I was kind of looking forward to it, lol.

  • jpfan2

    But my LOL was an ironic one. ;0

    I still think Adam’s PR person could have gotten the same message across in a more positive manner. Anyway, Adam’s actual role should be known fairly soon.

  • JLE12

    New rumor……Adam’s name is “Starchild” and he is singing Marry the Night. Really, reading this on twitter.

    Gaga/Katy Perry feud

    http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/81696894.html

    http://gleekoutbr.tumblr.com/post/61728502586/5×04-title-full-song-spoiler

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    I happen to agree, here. To be honest, I didn’t quite understand why Shoshanna was making such a big deal. It’s not as if the headline read, “Exclusive: Insider On Glee Set Claims Adam Lambert Kills and Eats Puppies Between Takes.” It seemed a bit of an OTT response. I mean, why is it the end of the world if people were to know ahead of time what Adam’s role will be on the show and what songs he will be singing? Why all the drama, llama?

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    GleekOutBR is a reliable Glee spoiler. You can assume the information is correct.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    I guess she told you huh, MJ?

    YUK YUK,. She sure did! Slapping down little blogs. That’s why they pay her the big bucks. She earns her salary. /sarcasm.

  • supersonic

    Yeah, Klainers love that site. And whatever happened to them not giving out spoilers this season? They made that claim and then immediately went back on it.

  • JLE12

    Good to know. All new to me.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    They went dark for the Cory episode “out of respect”

    The general consensus is that they spoil at the behest of producers. In other words, with their blessing. A grassroots effort to excite the fans. They’re very organized about the exact info and the timing they release bits and pieces.

    I don’t think it was a coincidence they posted the song spoilers today, tbh.

  • H.A.

    MJ, Adam is playing a Glam Rock Star. Maybe the source didn’t know the difference between a Glam Star and a Drag Queen ;) OMG, I’m having Ziggy Stardust fantasies.

    http://gleekoutbr.tumblr.com/post/61728502586/5×04-title-full-song-spoiler

    Let’s see if Shoshanna shoots this rumor down.If not true I will cut a bitch if this doesn’t happen.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    The spoiler is true. There won’t be any shooting down by anybody.

    Actually, the easiest way to rewrite drag elements would be to morph the character into a glam star. But, it doesn’t matter now.

    The initial source of the spoiler? Knows their way around the land of drag. And I’ll just leave it at that.

  • H.A.

    MJ. I don’t really care to be honest. Everyone is doing their job. You and Adam publicist. Shit happens. I don’t think you intentionally put out false info. Can I remind you that you always tell us to ignore the wank. A few fans don’t represent the whole fandom and this is a big fandom. Can you also put an end to the conversation and let’s move on.

  • H.A.

    MJ is more than capable of defending herself. I don’t think Kris Allen fans should help stir the pot.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    MJ. I don’t really care to be honest.

    You brought the whole drag queen thing up again. Not moi.

    I’ll drop it if ya’ll drop it too.

  • H.A.

    OK, Dropped. I was joking with that wink.

  • JLE12

    LOL. True. PR at its finest.

  • H.A.

    I’m just glad they kept a Gaga song. I dipped my toes in Lil Monsters fandom and they were like “Adam, get that Gaga promo”.lol. I would have been scared to go back if they found out he requested not to do her songs. We don’t want to get them pissed. lol

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    I’m starting a new post for the new spoilers. Onward and upward.

  • taylor

    These spoilers are true. The usual Glee sites and blogs were on them and reposting them everywhere in a flash. I’m seeing them everywhere. The news is now making its way to media sites outside of the glee network of social media. Damn, the hardcore Gleek fans have to be the one of the most intense and connected fan group around.

  • Q_3

    From Adam’s perspective, there is a lot of difference. Adam’s favorite movie is “Velvet Goldmine” which is about a Glam Rock superstar. Adam has talked about wanting to play a glam-rock superstar like Brian Slade since 2007 and maybe before that. My guess is that Stardust is an idealized version of Brian Slade.

  • supersonic

    Yeah, I know all of that. I know the producers tell them what to spoil. But they claimed at the end of last season, that they weren’t going to give out spoilers anymore after the nutty Klainers got mad at them. Then, they started leaking spoilers of the Klaine reunion and got back in the good graces of that nutty fanbase.

  • Q_3

    Shoshanna tweeted twice — how is that a big deal?

    And she was doing her job to say it was not true. 4 hours before Shoshanna’s tweet NewNowNext had picked it up and reported the “internet rumor” that Adam refused to play a drag queen — linked back to here.

    Even MJ has posted/tweeted that it was from one source and did not say it was confirmed. That kind of info can often be right but it can also be wrong. And this did not sound right from the beginning.

    The glam rock star character make sense, and is consistent with other information that has leaked from Glee, And the new song spoilers make a lot more sense than the original spoilers that came from Pop Wrapped. So there was some bad info being leaked to more than just MJ.

  • taylor

    I guess she didn’t appreciate the rumors or thought they were silly. She must do a pretty good job at what she does, because her clients are no slouches. Besides Adam, she has artists such as Britney, Shakira and Usher. She’s a busy woman with an impressive list of clients. I’m sure she has top entertainers as clients and makes the big bucks for a reason.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Well, I missed that bit of drama llama. lol. They were probably pissed and didn’t really mean it. lol.

  • Pat H

    And he’s had a character from Velvet Goldmibe as his private FB banner for over a week now :)

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    From anybody’s perspective, there’s a lot of difference between a drag queen and a glam rocker.

  • taylor

    “Is she pissed that the rumor involved playing a drag queen?”

    Nah, I think she was pissed that a blog site was reporting that Adam was asking for the drag queen role to be changed, when it was never a role to begin with. That, in and of itself, was enough to make a publicist jump in and put a stop the rumors. She knew what role Adam was really playing and what song he was singing, so she knew the rumors weren’t true.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    These spoilers are true.

    Which is what I said in a comment below.

    the hardcore Gleek fans have to be the one of the most intense and connected fan group around.

    I’m hiding when the inevitable clash occurs. With my popcorn.

  • taylor

    I already know. My whole feed is full of Gleeks. That’s how I knew those rumors were suspect. None of my hardcore Gleek friends had heard a word of any of it. I kept asking and they kept replying that it just wasn’t out there. One of them sent me the latest spoiler within seconds of it being posted at gleekoutbr.
    I’ve had my eye on my friends who are Gaga stans too, as I have several friends deep in the Gaga fanbase.
    These fangroups make Idol stans look like amateurs. lol

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    None of my hardcore Gleek friends had heard a word of any of it.

    Unless they have their own sources inside production, I’m not sure why they would have. GleekOutBr spoilers get circulated immediately because they are known to have connections to and probably even the blessing of production.

    They are the “official” glee spoilers, if there is such a thing.

  • taylor

    “GleekOutBr spoilers get circulated immediately because they are known to have connections”

    Exactly and that’s what my Gleek friends and the rest of the Glee hard core know. That’s why it spread like wildfire.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    The glam rock star character make sense, and is consistent with other information that has leaked from Glee,

    No other information has leaked from Glee. I watch this stuff really carefully.

    And the new song spoilers make a lot more sense than the original spoilers that came from Pop Wrapped.

    All the song spoilers were Gaga songs, none made more “sense” than the others.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “3. Adam’s publicist job is to shoot down rumors. That’s why she’s paid the big bucks.”

    Not just Adam’s publicist. ALL publicists “massage” the truth and deal with rumors with the goal of protecting their clients’ best interests. That’s their job.

  • Ronnie D

    Not really. I wouldn’t say Santana was a stereotypical lesbian.

  • maymay

    So, a drag queen or not, is it important? If you want to be an actor/ actress, you have to play any character no matter how you feel or think about it.

    Being a gay shouldn`t be annoyed with playing a drag queen. Yes, it is a stereotype character for a gay actor. But so what? Adam just begins his acting career. He won`t play a drag queen forever.

  • Zenber1

    Maybe you should try not being a spoiler and then you won’t get it wrong?? Just a thought.

  • Happyhexer

    I am glad that Adam’s fans will have an opportunity to see him on television. That’s especially nice for fans who live too far away or can’t afford to go to concerts.

    As for the spoiler, all I can say is that I am very glad that Adam is not going to play a drag queen. Not that there is anything wrong with drag queens, but it would be kind of an obvious hole to peg Adam into. Adam is a complex and interesting human being, first and foremost. Why not show that? A person’s sexual orientation (gay, straight, or bi-) is ONE part of who that person is, albeit an important part.

  • taptap

    I’d give you a thumbs up, except I was sorta excited to see that particular storyline. Still, I believe what you say is the truth.

  • Beaugard Stevens

    Why is she being so nasty about it? The “little blogs” put-down seems unnecessary. Especially since it’s not really little, it shows up in my google searches all the time. To some people, “glam” and “drag” are the same thing so maybe that has something to do with things, it can be a “fine line.” At any rate, I definitely trust the info here- you can never trust a publicist though.

  • taptap

    Google searches are IP-dependent. You get it a lot, because you enter it a lot. That’s not the same for everyone else.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    A little background on Shoshanna Stone:

    Outside Organisation launches Outside Edge in bid to shake up music PR

    Nikki Wicks, prweek.com, Wednesday, 02 February 2011, 8:24am

    The Outside Organisation has launched a new music division to respond to a ‘fundamental shift’ in the way music PR now works in the UK.

    As reported exclusively on prweek.com/uk, Outside Edge will be led by former Sony publicist, Shoshanna Stone, who brings several top artists to the new venture with her, including Britney Spears, Usher and Shakira.

    Traditionally in the UK’s music business, in­house PR has been separated into several teams working across press, TV and online. But the new division will offer its artists a multi­platform and cross­media PR strategy, including support across TV, online, press and brand extensions.Sam Bowen, strategy director at Outside, said: ‘This new division is part of a fundamental shift in the way music PR works. If you have compartmentalised PR for an artist, it doesn’t consider how an artist needs to be nowadays.

    ‘Clearly with the changes in how the music industry makes its money and the way an artist sells themselves now, it really needs to have one central message across a range of different platforms.’

    In recent years, the internet and illegal music downloads have resulted in huge losses for the music industry, prompting artists to venture into other avenues, such as perfume brands, books and movies.

    Stone said: ‘In the past, artists have made most of their money through the music and they didn’t do so many other things. ‘Artists have developed brands and started doing other things and they want someone who can look after them all the way through their brands and across all media.’

    Stone, previously head of publicity for Sony’s RCA label, will be joined by former Sony publicity assistant Matt Ott, who will take on the role of account manager at Outside Edge.

    Stone’s move means former Polydor PR Chloe Melick joins RCA as acting head of press

    http://www.prweek.com/news/1052665/

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “you can never trust a publicist though.”

    Of course not and it’s naive for the public to do so. Their job is to protect their clients and look out for their best interests first and foremost, and they are paid very well to do just that.

    Edited for clarity

  • taptap

    well, if you pay them maybe you can trust them. But you need deep pockets ;>

    Anyhoo, trying to compare the relative attributes of bloggers and publicists is a bit like pissing in the wind, imo – apples and oranges completely.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Honey, I’ve been spoiling since 2005, and mostly correctly.

    You logged on here just to tell me that? lol.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    My SEO for certain subjects is pretty decent, period. I could show you my stats if you’re interested ;)

  • taptap

    Well I’m pretty sure they’re decent for Adam threads, since you get a lot of hits on those.

    o/

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Not so much in the past couple of years, tbh.

  • taptap

    Yes, I’ve definitely seen the decline. I think that’s inevitable for the Idol alums who are moving outside the Idol bubble, since there are so many places to get info on those folks.

    Kelly is the most popular of all Idol Alums, but I’m pretty sure her fans don’t primarily use an Idol blog to get info on her. Carrie is, it seems, an exception, but I think that’s because she’s country and there’s a big overlap between country fans and Idol blog viewers.

  • magsmagenta

    I think Starchild is taken by Paul Stanley, Knowing how KISS operates that could be trouble, they are very protective of their brand. Unless of course he’s going to sing a KISS song.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I meant that the public can never trust a publicist, not the client. lol A good publicist is worth their weight in gold (for the client).

    ETA: Not saying the all bloggers are trustworthy either, but as you said, it’s apples and oranges.

  • taptap

    Yup, I got that. It’s what I meant, too – a publicist’s trust is reserved for his/her clients, not for the general public. And a blogger generally meets the demand of the general public. They’re opposite sides of the coin.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Yes, I’ve definitely seen the decline

    The point is, I don’t depend on Idol alums for my traffic, which is a prevalent trope out there.

  • taptap

    I think you’ve been wise in diversifying your portfolio to other reality shows, and some related shows as well.

  • maymay

    That Adam doesn`t become a superstar so far is a tragedy to Adam`s fans. They so love Adam to death. This thread proves it again. Adam`s thread always gets a lot hits and posts. It is a win-win for Adam`s fans and Mjsbigblog.

    Anyway, I think:
    1.TV or entertainment industry is so fickle. It is a truth today. It is a rumor tomorrow. Any spoiler could be real this time but false next time. It is what it is. Take it easy.

    2.Adam playing a drag queen was not a disrespectful spoiler. Unless Adam or fans thought a drag queen is disgusting.

    3.Mjsbigblog is not a tabloid or the National Enquirer. It has no intention to make up a story or whatever.

  • HermeticallySealed

    I’d have to imagine that there is quite a bit of diminishing returns with traffic related to a specific contestant from any year/show. I am willing to guess that it is the shows themselves which constitute the majority of hits.

  • Not fit to print

    To me, Finn is (or was in the first two seasons) the emotional centre of the show. From the moment he stepped out of the shower in episode one he became our stand-in, working through all the tough stuff and changing his attitudes one step at a time.

    The thrust of his character was that he had a good heart, he just needed to reach a little further for it sometimes (e.g. Kurt’s sexuality.) He allowed people to feel okay about their prejudices and adjust them a little bit at the same time. Kurt would have been a whole lot less palatable if we hadn’t come to see him through Finn’s eyes.

    I only stopped watching because the whole Sue Sylvester grudge match stuff got to be too much for me.