American Idol Live 2013 Tour Dates CANCELLED

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And so it begins?

The American Idol live concert scheduled for Friday July 5 has been CANCELLED.

Is this the start of a series of cancellations for a poorly selling tour? We’ll soon find out.

ETA: Tour dates scheduled before July 19 have been cancelled.  Here’s a statement that was posted on the venue’s website in St. Louis.

“Production rehearsals have been pushed by a couple of weeks which unfortunately affects some of the early dates on the tour itinerary. The ‘American Idol Live!’ concert scheduled for June 29 at Chaifetz Arena has been canceled. All orders will be returned to the credit card of purchase. If you do not receive a refund or have further questions, contact MetroTix at 314-534-1111. For cash transactions, tickets can be returned to the Chaifetz Arena box office to receive a refund. The ‘American Idol Live!’ tour now begins on July 19 in Kent, WA and ends in Nashville on August 31.”

Aw. St. Louis is Curtis Finch Jr.’s hometown…

The statement is worded as if rehearsals were set back for some unknown reason–perhaps for Candice Glover to work on her album, which is set for a July release. But I can’t help but think that if the tour was selling well, there’s no way they’d just cancel 10 dates. Candice can record her album on the road if necessary.

These cancellations HAVE to be about money. Candice and Kree’s singles have only sold 71K and 33K respectively in 2 weeks–the lowest selling winners singles ever. Even lower than Season 9. That tour was cut short by 7 cities, but it didn’t happen until the tour was underway.

This is just one more bit of bad news for the struggling franchise. Can American Idol be saved?

Via STL Today

Click to see the original tour schedule

Here are the cancelled dates:

June 29 St. Louis, MO Chaifetz Arena
June 30 Kansas City, MO Sprint Center
July 2 Minneapolis, MN Target Center
July 5 Detroit, IL Joe Louis Arena
July 6 Rosemont, IL Allstate Arena – Rescheduled to August 12 – Trenton NJ CANCELLED
July 8 Tulsa, OK BOK Center
July 10 Broomfield, CO 1STBANK Center
July 12 Las Vegas, NV Mandalay Bay Events Center
July 13 Ontario, CA Citizens Business BankArena
July 14 Oakland, CA The Oracle Arena

American Idol Live No. of Tour Dates per Year

2002 – 30 dates
2003 – 41 dates
2004 – 50 dates incl Singapore
2005 – 44 dates
2006 – 60 dates
2007 – 59 dates
2008 – 53 dates
2009 – 52 dates
2010 – 44 dates (7 cancelled)
2011 – 49 dates incl Philippines
2012 – 46 dates incl Philippines
2013 – 30 dates (10 cancelled)

 

 
  • lkingcorn

    Idol took the excitement out if this years entire season. In the attempt to finally get a female winner they sucked the life out of the show. While the top five girls are all good the guys are not. Ppl may not wish to see an all girl show with male backup singers. I hope this cancellation just a one time thing. I just don’t what else TPTB could have done to f&$@k this show up any more than they did.

  • MV007

    I don’t think its that complicated. The show simply isn’t watched by enough people to support a tour on such a grand scale. With a dwindling viewership you’re not going to get as many people to come out to the shows.

  • Amy Beth

    Well I guess this gives Candice more time to work on her insta-album!

  • http://twitter.com/BobbiNJ Bobbi

    I would pay to see a show of three of the top five girls but I sure wouldn’t pay good money to see any of the five guys. This doesn’t surprise me and I’m sure it won’t be the last cancellation. The people in charge inflicted this injury on themselves!

  • Anny_nanny

    I do not accept the excuse of “production rehearsals”. AI tour is not Cirque Du Soleil, they had enough time for rehearsals. If only sclerosis of Lazaro was not contagious and the contestants couldn’t learn any new songs. Ugh!

  • windmills

    Several of the very talented finalists this year (especially the ladies) deserved much better than the mess this season. Sucks that their tour is affected but I hope it works out for the finalists in other ways.

  • http://youtube.com/user/ConcertCameraCat Sparkles

    According to Ticketmaster the Chicago/Rosemont show was rescheduled

    “This event was originally July 6th now is August 12th”

  • http://twitter.com/IkeMendes Henrique Mendes

    Why so negative all the time MJ? This doesn’t give enough information to predict a catastrophe based on nothing. No point in projecting negativity so early

  • Valarie

    This is really bad news for the kids. The tour has historically given the finalists a nest egg, that can help them try to build a career in music. It’s too bad the judges can’t be forced to donate their outrageous salaries to the contestants.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    I feel bad for the contestants they’re losing lot’s of money as a result

  • dani_

    Saw this coming. The contestants this year just weren’t that charismatic. I feel bad for the girls because they don’t deserve this..

  • No Thanks

    I dunno. I’m sure sales are sluggish but at the same time, if they want to rush out Candice and Kree’s album by July, they’re going to need more time to record before hitting the road.

  • thirdtime

    Maybe they are giving it more time to sell tickets.
    I feel bad for these kids. The tour has always seemed like an awesome experience for the Idols.

  • girlygirl

    I would guess the tour is selling badly. some of the cancelled dates are in towns that have drawn well for previous Idol tours, which is interesting

  • Wfish88

    You can only conclude. This years, much like season 9 (with MUCH smaller viewership) has absolutely no buzz

  • girlygirl

    I don’t remember — did they cancel any of the tour dates last year?

  • windmills

    Another tour modification: compared to the original tour schedule it appears to me that the Trenton show originally scheduled for 8/12 been canceled and replaced with the Rosemont show, which was originally scheduled for 7/6.

  • PatAfan

    I think what Idol doesn’t understand is WHO goes to see the shows… lots of young girls, so by having a more sophisticated winner, Candice, whose music will undoubtedly be great, but not relatable to the target audience, they have (again) screwed up. Plus ppl may still be turned off by the whole season this year. I don’t know what recent years have been like, but I’ll tell you what, when Adam Lambert was about to take the stage on the Idol tour in 2009, the noise was deafening and the excitement palpable. Plus, they were a fun group, especially Kris, Matt, Allison, and Megan. Loved those crazies!!

  • Larc

    Aug 12 was the original date for the Trenton, NJ, concert. It appears that has been cancelled as well.

  • Anny_nanny

    Not. 10 season had an additional date, the last year had only a few SOLD-OUT.

  • Sassycatz

    Interesting that the Mandalay show in Vegas was cancelled. Isn’t that the place they wanted to establish an “Idols’ Showcase?”

    As for this year’s tour, I lay any lack of interest more at the feet of the producers trying so hard to get a female winner, they packed the male side with performers who aren’t very compelling. I think only the female half of the show is gonna be any good. Although a few of the males have nice voices, they aren’t performers with any kind of stage presence.

  • vamp111

    Nope.

  • girlygirl

    maybe they will try and reschedule some of these early dates if the tour has drawn well there in the past? But that would require a lot of shuffling around of other tour stops, I bet

  • Incipit

    “…really bad news for the kids. The tour has historically given the finalists a nest egg, that can help them try to build a career in music.”

    Ouch.

    That Nest Egg is really taking hit with all those cancellations, and also considering how the pay for the tour was slashed after Season 9. I figure TPTB never raised the rates back to near where they used to be, even if Seasons 10 and 11 did well. They are losing a lot of money and good publicity. This Bites for them.

    IMO.

  • Sassycatz

    I think they might have cancelled some dates in Season 9. (Not sure, though.)

  • girlygirl

    Yeah I knew there was one year where there were fewer tour dates, although I couldn’t remember if they had just scheduled fewer to begin with, or iif some were cancelled.

    Also, the cancelled dates listed in this post are all at pretty big arenas. What happened to the idea of booking smaller venues, like they did the last 2 seasons?

  • Valarie

    I wrote early in the finals, that I just couldn’t see moms and daughters getting to the venue at noon to watch the busses arrive, as happened during the reign of the cute guys with guitars.
    It is the moms with daughters who buy a lot of tour tickets. Dad and brother may tag along, but I am pretty sure that most of the time, it wasn’t their idea.

  • Amy Beth

    Moms and daughters go to Taylor Swift concerts all the time. I see them on my FB feed with great frequency,

  • escape

    And I can see that bus coming towards Candice. AI is known to treat their least successful winners as if they didn’t exist. It doesn’t matter that things are beyond her control because it didn’t matter to TPTB when they bussed Lee Dewyze, Kris Allen, Taylor Hicks.

  • curly_yenta

    Production rehearsal problems? What? Haha! Surely they can come up with a better “excuse” as to the cancellations. More like low tickets sales, perhaps?

    I can see why the Vegas show was cancelled. Too much competition from the dozens of other shows up for grabs on the Strip. No one is going to pay money for amateur performers when the city has so much more in quality entertainment… maybe they’re in competition with the Taylor Hicks show at the Paris hotel ;)

  • ladymctech

    Wow and this stop was the alternative to Philadelphia. Bad news all around for this group. What a shame for the ones who deserved better.

  • tigervixxxen

    Candice’s album is done. She tweeted about choosing songs for the track list. An album also needs a month prior to release date to master and press the CDs. This is NOT about her recording schedule. So can this season officially replace season 9 as the official punching bag since ratings, sales and now tour situation are worse than season 9?

  • Karen C

    I don’t think the cancellations are due to the recording of the Candice’s album, because it is coming out in July, the recording should be done before the end of June. However, I’m wondering if the reason might be so Candice can promote the album before she goes on tour. Though I also think sales are low. I know a lot of people that aren’t going that have gone in the past, and the venue I have gone to the past few years still has seats close to the stage, where the past few years would have been sold out by now.
    It might be a combination of things, maybe if the tour wasn’t doing well anyway, it would be more beneficial for Candice to do promo for the album.

  • Anny_nanny

    June 29, 2013 St. Louis United States Chaifetz Arena
    June 30, 2013 Kansas City Sprint Center
    July 2, 2013 Minneapolis Target Center
    July 5, 2013 Detroit Joe Louis Arena
    July 6, 2013 Rosemont Allstate Arena
    July 8, 2013 Tulsa BOK Center
    July 10, 2013 Broomfield 1stBank Center
    July 12, 2013 Paradise Mandalay Bay Events Center
    July 13, 2013 Ontario Citizens Business Bank Arena
    July 14, 2013 Oakland Oracle Arena
    July 19, 2013 Kent ShoWare Center
    July 20, 2013 Portland Rose Garden
    July 22, 2013 Sacramento Sleep Train Arena
    July 23, 2013 Los Angeles Nokia Theatre L.A. Live
    July 24, 2013 Phoenix Comerica Theatre
    July 27, 2013 Grand Prairie Verizon Theatre at Grand Prairie
    July 28, 2013 Houston Reliant Arena
    July 30, 2013 New Orleans Lakefront Arena
    August 1, 2013 Orlando Amway Center
    August 2, 2013 Miami American Airlines Arena
    August 4, 2013 Duluth Arena at Gwinnett Center
    August 5, 2013 North Charleston North Charleston Coliseum
    August 6, 2013 Knoxville Thompson–Boling Arena
    August 8, 2013 Charlotte Time Warner Cable Arena
    August 9, 2013 Fairfax Patriot Center
    August 12, 2013 Trenton Sun National Bank Center
    August 14, 2013 Newark Prudential Center
    August 15, 2013 Uniondale Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum
    August 16, 2013 Atlantic City Etess Arena
    August 17, 2013 Uncasville Mohegan Sun Arena
    August 19, 2013 Boston Agganis Arena
    August 20, 2013 Manchester Verizon Wireless Arena
    August 21, 2013 Providence Dunkin’ Donuts Center
    August 23, 2013 Bridgeport Webster Bank Arena
    August 24, 2013 Reading Sovereign Center
    August 25, 2013 Youngstown Covelli Centre
    August 27, 2013 Toronto Canada Air Canada Centre
    August 29, 2013 Columbus United States Schottenstein Center
    August 30, 2013 Louisville KFC Yum! Center
    August 31, 2013 Nashville Bridgestone Arena

  • b_james

    This is what happens when passionate young girls have no boys to scream/fantasize over.

  • Amy Beth

    If they postpone the tour long enough, they can go on a “unity” tour with the Voice Top 12!

  • vamp111

    Maybe they can invite the Season 9 contestants to go with them.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    LMAO

  • Listening

    Cancellations can’t be to allow Candice to make an album b/c I could of promised I heard of other Idols recording material during the tour.

  • Anny_nanny

    I want to know what the promo she can get during the summer off-season. She can push the single on the radio, but I see no other way to sell the album in the summer if she doesn’t tour.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    I think this has to be about ticket sales — or actually lack of ticket sales.

    For example: As of today, there are very few sold seats for the only show from Pittsburgh to Cleveland (Youngstown), and the same for Columbus, OH. I think they will be cancelling some more shows. And there are 2nd row Platinum seat left for Nashville.

  • ladymctech

    You wonder what impact this will have on auditions for the 13th season. I know a lot of crazy people show up for the heck of it, but the truly good singers may decide that the show isn’t worth the try any more.

  • ladymctech

    Not a bad idea, LOL.

  • http://twitter.com/BBChezFans BeBe Chez Fans

    i wouldn’t buy a ticket if Angie won. She sucks

  • NatSasic

    The sad thing is that aside from Crystal, the contestants on S9 were disappointments and performed below expectations collectively. At least this year, the top 5 all had a solid run on the show and some memorable performances. Give me this year’s top 5 over S9 top 5 any day.

  • Larc

    It’s just a convenient excuse. They didn’t want to admit tickets aren’t selling well. They won’t have the rehearsal excuse to fall back on when they have to cancel concerts after the tour begins. That will require a little more creativity.

  • Listening

    Oh and something about rehearsals causing the cancellations is a lame excuse. The Idols have been learning songs in a week and they’re trying to tell me now that they have what 2 months they can’t learn a song

  • Anny_nanny

    Lazaro?

  • MV007

    Kris is my favorite Idol ever and I don’t think he got screwed by AI. His management may have bungled a few important decisions (i.e. second single choice) but I thought he was treated fairly. Lee and Taylor never did have a chance though. And I have the same concern as you for Candice.

  • Larc

    If they plan on holding off the tour until Lazaro learns 2 songs, they may as well cancel the whole thing now.

  • Amy Beth

    Singers trying to break into the music business have to try anything. If you’re playing coffee house gigs, would you really turn down AI because “only” 10 million people watch the show?

  • vamp111

    The tour is really only a small audience to promote to. Remember how Pia’s single was supposed to do well because of the tour exposure?

  • Anny_nanny

    I think we are seeing it.

  • vamp111

    maybe they’re in competition with the Taylor Hicks show at the Paris hotel ;)

    Yes, in competition with one of the least successful winners ever, makes perfect sense. /sarcasm.

    I’m sure he’s not even on their radar. Its Shania Twain and Garth Brooks who are the big draws.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    Don’t even know if it will get that far, they pushed it back till July 19 so ticket sales are probably down across the board and if they don’t pick up the whole tour could be in danger. They are probably giving it month to see if sales for the other shows pick up and if they don’t, well things could really suck.

  • Anny_nanny

    “A small audience to promote” is better than nothing. While the TV will not return to the operating mode, she may not get the full promo, and tour is all that she has.

  • escape

    I don’t think Kree will be signed by Iovine.

  • vamp111

    Hopefully not-Interscope isn’t a country label. I’m thinking she is signed with Mercury Nashville where Scotty and Lauren are.

  • vamp111

    Idol and their labels are two separate things.

  • curly_yenta

    Hey, Taylor’s show is doing a heck of lot better in ticket sales than this Idol tour, apparently. Taylor’s show was extended a year, Idol’s show was cancelled. Who’s laughing now?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “maybe they’re in competition with the Taylor Hicks show at the Paris hotel ;)”

    lmao! Good one!

  • Incipit

    “The tour is really only a small audience to promote to.”

    The Tour audience isn’t all there was to it. Or wasn’t, vamp111. The cast used to do radio and press promo in every city on performance day for the show they were doing and the one coming up – they had a rotating group who had Press Duty and sometimes missed or had to shorten the signing at the bus lines before and after the show.

    I imagine the press coverage of the Tour shows in the various local papers has fallen off as well – or maybe they make the correspondents buy a ticket now, instead of comping their seat? After all – Craft Services charges?

    There are little things the casts have done in the past – Larry King Live, and closing the Stock Market Exchange, the M&M/Pretzel thing, etc – there were small but accruing opportunities for PR that were not dependent on the audience in the venues.

    But these cancellations are worse than Season 9 – where they mostly re- configured the venues and sliced the prices. IMO.

  • Valarie

    Kree will most likely get a nice recording deal. I worry about Amber and Janelle who both deserve deals, but probably won’t get them. Finishing fourth and fifth in a buzzless season is a heavy anchor dragging them down.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yes, unfortunately I think that you are right in your analysis and prediction.

  • Wfish88

    I’m beginning to this Angie should’ve won…. Set Me Free would’ve sold more as a winning single (assuming they chose it) then Candice’s. Angie also has a devoted fan base, much like Colton. She is also much more marketable to become a young pop star.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “But I can’t help but think that if the tour was selling well, there’s no way they’d just cancel 10 dates. Candice can record her album on the road if necessary.”

    Exactly.

  • Cory Patrick

    You didn’t buy a ticket because you didn’t want to buy a ticket. Angie was still going to be there singing the same songs, on the same piano.

  • Cory Patrick

    I always thought Idol tour tickets were way to expensive. I mean most of the idols are still amateur performers. The tickets are just over priced, and they try to go for larger stadiums…it’s just not gonna happen.

  • TheOther

    The Tour audience isn’t all there was to it. Or wasn’t, vamp111. The cast used to do radio and press promo in every city on performance day for the show they were doing and the one coming up – they had a rotating group who had Press Duty

    Phillip did this last year, except that he was usually by himself, even when they were at the hometowns of the others. Granted, he had a song to promote, but they also talked about the tour, the AI show, the judges.

  • thirdtime

    It used to happen. But it doesn’t anymore.

  • Joob

    How many tour dates are now left? lol

  • tigervixxxen

    I’m not talking about personal preferences here, I’m talking about the entire season perception as a whole and not one person is exempt from that. We’ll see how the perception of this season holds up over time but the facts, which are number, at this time are not good.

  • MV007

    No its not. This tour is trying to sell tickets to arenas not a 100 person glorified bar

  • dabney_c

    This is a sad day. I went to get a haircut and highlights today, and my hair-stylist – who is an Idol fanatic like me (we always spend half the time talking about the show) told me she got bored this season and stopped watching mid-way. She had to ask me who won! Very bad news. I’m sad. Can Idol recover from this season?
    :’(

  • MV007

    But the management stuff has cross-over does it not?

  • curly_yenta

    This can’t be a surprise. With ratings in the tank, who did they expect would be interested in this show? Sales of the winner’s coronation song have been the lowest in the show’s history and I can’t even remember who else was on the show…. except for Lazaro, and they’d have to me to sit through that bucket of off key singing.

  • xboxmas

    This is just one more bit of bad news for the struggling franchise. Can American Idol be saved?

    LOL you can’t base the frachise’s health based on tour sales. The same question was asked after the failure Season 9 tour and look how well the Season 10 tour did after.

  • thirdtime

    I’m discouraged too. I emailed my sister last night to tell her Nicki Minaj is officially off the show (my sister said she stopped watching because of Nicki) – she always watched Idol every season and we would talk about it. I asked if she’s going to watch next season and she said she heard they might replace the judges with former Idols and she doesn’t like that idea so she’s probably done watching Idol for good, and she is upset that Randy is gone. I’m really starting to wonder now if they will be able to bounce back again. I don’t hear anyone talking positively about the show anymore. :’(

  • shell29

    He may be one of the “least successful” winners in terms of record sales but I don’t care-I’d see Taylor Hicks all day long before I’d see this Top 11 on tour. He’s not everyone’s cup of tea but IMO he’s a hell of a performer-something that was for the most part lacking this season. I loved Candice but she’s not enough to entice me to buy a tour ticket this summer. I’ll wait until she’s on her own.

  • shell29

    I hate to say it, but they might want to scale back and stop trying to fill arenas ’cause there’s obviously not enough interest in this crew to fill them.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    If it were just poor tour sales, I would not be asking the question. I love the show as much as anyone, but I’m not going to play pollyanna. Failing ratings, bad press, judges panel trainwreck, poor download sales, competition from competing singing shows–the tour is just another symptom.

  • tigervixxxen

    For me, I decided not to buy a ticket because I wasn’t a big fan of anyone but also was not excited to see which songs they would choose. Nothing was good enough on the show that I needed to see live. I knew there would be more group songs and choreo and I hated that in last year’s show. So what exactly would I be going to the tour to see?

  • Larc

    It’s down to 30 now from the original 40. Even the disastrous S9 summer tour played 44 locations after their cancellations. Of course, I think they lost money on at least half of those.

  • tigervixxxen

    It’s not about Candice recording her album. I’m sure it is poor ticket sales. But why those 10 dates? Well, those are all before Candice’s record drop. Maybe they decided to push her promotion instead of being stuck on a bus.

  • Wfish88

    Out of curiosity, as IDOLS ratings have fallen, have you seen your average blog hits fall?

  • abbysee

    You really can’t compare Taylor Swift’s popularity with those of American Idols. It’s just a different kind of thing. I remember one year the girls were vocal about how the bus fans came to see the guys moreso than them. It’s just part and parcel with the idol demo and what they want. Year after year they voiced what they want. So idol proved their point, to the end that some very talented girls will be scapegoated for these sluggish sales.

  • tigervixxxen

    Vegas is a location where people want to pay some $ to see a variety show. That’s the place where people might just want to hear some music and show up. Crazy that they canceled that one.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    You may be right, but at this point, I have a feeling that these concerts won’t be the only ones that are cancelled.

  • tigervixxxen

    Roughly 30 I believe

  • bridgette12

    I guess should have expected this to happen. Poor tickets sells for the Idol tour seem to go hand in hand with bad ratings for the show. I really do think the Idol Producers just want this season to be over and they can plan for next season. They don’t want to drag out this bad news of concerts being cancelled for weeks, so it is smart of them to announce it all at the same time.

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

    This just shows, IMO, that you can hype up all of these contestants until the cows come home, that doesn’t mean they will get butts in the seats at the shows. Pretty much the whole line up from this past season was like one big amateur hour. I wouldn’t pay to see any of them either.

  • tigervixxxen

    Thank you for pointing out season 9 STILL had 44 dates. Most people don’t comprehend that. Plus, many were still in the larger locations that are not used any more.

  • curly_yenta

    And I think Caesar’s would rather sell out a 250 seat room 5 nights a week than to fill 1/4 of an arena to the point of the sound echoing in the empty airspace. ;)

  • Incipit

    Really. So, what happened in Season 9, with Lee DeWyze, Casey James, High School Student Aaron Kelly, Tim Urban – even Michael Lynche and Youtube draw Andrew Garcia? Plenty of scream material – very bad tour. Does Not Compute.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    My sister and her family always watch, but this year no one did. My sis was turned off by the Nikki and Mariah stuff early on. She said she tried to watch top 10 just to see who are it but the whole family thought none of the cast were good except maybe Candice and the guys were extra bad so she stopped. She said she started DVRing again when she heard all the guys were gone but no one watched with her.

    Only one of the usual watchers from Facebook still posted about it this year. The only person I know who stuck with the whole show was my MIL. She’s 73.

  • Goodvibes27

    Why was Taylor even dragged into this mess?

  • shell29

    I agree…this is just the beginning.

  • bridgette12

    They don’t have a star among that bunch that has the ability to carry that tour, especially considering all that dead weight among the guys.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I would pay to see just Candice, Angie, Kree and Janelle. After that its filler for me.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yeah, if I were offered free tickets for the tour, I would show up at intermission so I would miss the 5 guys.

  • bridgette12

    And miss out on the opportunity to see Lazaro butchering his one solo?

  • Wfish88

    44 dates of less than half filled arenas.

  • shell29

    Oh Lawd…LOL. Can you imagine what a hot mess that’s going to be? Sad part is he might be one of the biggest draws on the tour (SMH).

  • Sassycatz

    Well, I’m sure they’re going to mix it up with group songs and people performing out of place of how they finished because they know that their strongest performers are all towards the middle and end of the cast. So, if you wait till intermission, you probably will miss some of the girls’ performances.

  • tigervixxxen

    Probably, that’s why she has to cover a dozen other reality shows. But I’d also be interested to hear if traffic is similar to ratings.

  • Wfish88

    Yep- Interscope has only mad P2 a success. Lauren & Scotty’s success is hugly contributed to Mercury.

  • tigervixxxen

    True, can’t disagree there.

  • tigervixxxen

    I have a feeling they were not going to let her release YSMF as the coronation song. It wasn’t even recorded at top 3 and the singles are recorded by then. I wanted Angie to win but it’s better for her to not have to wear the stigma of a failure season as much as the winner does.

  • Larc

    From what I’m hearing, Lazaro will actually be butchering 2 solos.

  • halo9125

    I saw this coming as soon as they chose the top 10. I have zero interest in any of them.

  • bridgette12

    There’s going to be a lot of people dumbstruck and it won’t be from awe.

  • bridgette12

    Some people do show up for the trainwrecks.

  • tati83

    It seems like Kree will be signed to Mercury Nashville (which I believe is Interscope related since that is where Scotty is signed to) Plus Kree already has an official interscope fan site.

    http://www.kreeharrisonofficial.com/

    I signed up and got a confirmation from Interscope.

  • jpfan2

    I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they cancelled more shows. The bloom is off the rose so to speak. It was pretty dumb of them to cast so many unappealing guys as the tour audience is mostly female. Oh well. Hope next season revives this sinking franchise.

  • jcabby

    This season was a mess. From the judges, to the obvious manipulation from producers, the contestants singing ballad after ballad, and people cut in Hollywood who were fantastic.

    Idol can be saved, but if they continue this pattern of awful judges, bland contestants, and manipulation, ratings will go further down.

    Say what you will, but Idol was called over after season 9. Along came season 10, J.Lo, Steven Tyler, and Randy, were pretty damn good. Ratings went UP. Plus the contestants were FANTASTIC. I loved that season so much. Diverse and great group. Season 11, I felt the same way.

  • Karen C

    She can still do morning and maybe late night shows. The timing is what makes me think wonder if that’s what it is, being that the tour is starting after the album is released.
    It’s also a first that the winners album is released before the tour.

  • shell29

    I feel bad for this Top 11. I’m no fan of Curtis but I still feel bad that his hometown show has been cancelled-that’s something all the Idols look forward to on the tour. As soon as I saw this Top 10, I knew I had no interest in buying a ticket and the tour is practically in my backyard every summer (Gwinnett Arena in Duluth (Atlanta), GA). If that date is ever cancelled, that’s a sure sign of trouble.

    Unfortunately, this Top 11 is chock full of young, adequate to decent singers who are not compelling performers IMO. In the years that I’ve attended the Idol tour (seasons five and seven) there were several finalists that I wanted to see perform, not just one or two “special snowflakes”. This year I might want to see two, maybe three of the ladies-none of the guys. That’s just not enough for me to buy a ticket (and the tickets aren’t cheap).

  • shell29

    True, true. LOL.

  • Incipit

    Good to know, tati83. Mercury may have a clue what to do with Kree. Iovine would not. Good Fortune to her!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    At this point, they might as well add Charlie Askew and Zoannette to the tour to try to boost sales. lol

  • shell29

    Angie winning wouldn’t have made a difference. I mean, she’s still a part of the tour so if she’s such a huge draw they wouldn’t be cancelling shows (I’m not buying the “rehearsal” excuse either).

  • dabney_c

    Angie will sing 4 songs as a 3rd placer, and appear throughout the evening in group numbers. Had she won, she’d be singing 5 songs, and not appear at all throughout the night in any of the groups or duets. So, if you’re such a massive Angie fan, it’s in your best interest (tour-wise) that she didn’t win.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I would be afraid of having nightmares of his performance. lol

  • Jae

    If Lazaro weren’t in it, i would go. But I can’t stand him. And Curtis is a close second.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I have to say that Lazaro is a deterrent for me as well.

  • Valarie

    If the tour producers have any brains at all, they will follow the order of elimination. People should be allowed to see the good singers, and skip the pain.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “except for Lazaro, and they’d have to pay me to sit through that bucket of off key singing”

    It would take a LOT of cash for me to sit through Lazaro. lol

  • Larc

    I think Duluth is the last tour concert in the Southeast Idol would ever cancel.

  • dabney_c

    Even last year there was some big, big noise for Joshua and P2. The crowd at the Air Canada Center was quite respectable – somewhere between 7k – 8k. Sure, not Season 5 numbers, but no complaints.

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Someone below mentioned that these dates that were cancelled included larger venues. Does anyone have the numbers from the last few years to compare? I tried to look back, but finding the numbers seemed impossible…

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Those 4 ladies are fantastic. It sucks that they will be tainted with the stink of a lousy Idol season.

  • Valarie

    I never thought I would type these words, but I míss Steven, JLo, and Randy. Their advice may not have been great, but they chose great casts.

  • julesb2183

    That is the show I was going o attend, wonder if it will be rescheduled?

  • thirdtime

    I know they were posted here at MJs, but that would take a lot of digging in old posts. Hopefully someone has an easier way.

  • tucker davis

    We had the same excitement last year in Duluth, GA which was the home show for Phillip. Good, good fun with huge excitement for all the performers! But P2′s was definitely deafening…

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    I’m not sure what numbers you are looking for? There are concert receipts, but I’m not sure how they would apply before the tour has even begun.

  • julesb2183

    the tour is only starting a week earlier than usual, but the show ended a week early. They are working on songs they know, plus several group songs. Not too hard.

  • dabney_c

    Bathroom break, people, bathroom break. Colton’s set was mine last year. Good thing he had 3 songs – allowed plenty of time for the line-up wait. :D

  • tucker davis

    You right! I would like to know just how many radio interviews/performances Phillip did by himself last summer during the tour. I remember being amazed that he did all that just after major surgery while performing each night at the tour venues.

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Only asking in response to a prior post that had me curious. Someone stated that they thought the last two years had smaller venues, so why would they have booked larger venues (in similar cities) this year?

    I thought I’d seen the venue sizes posted last year, but nbd either way. Thanks.:)

  • justmefornow

    This is really sad news for these kids, but hardly unexpected.

    I myself lost all interest in this group and stopped watching this year not long after the top 10 were announced.

    As far as tour info, S10 was the only tour I ever attended. Here’s the numbers for the show I went to:

    August 13, 2011 Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall
    11,913 100% (sold out) $615,025

    (They made 22 mil. from 47 shows)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Idols_LIVE!_Tour_2011

  • http://twitter.com/jasongorny92 Jason Gorny

    it should be a top 5 tour!

  • xboxmas

    Besides the competition from other singing shows, that was a problem for Season 9 also. All the things you listed.

  • Tusk

    This doesn’t give enough information to predict a catastrophe based on nothing

    I’d say based on the weekly precipitous falling viewing numbers this season is something to base on….

    I think most who follow this show more than casually, probably predicted this at least once this season. No surprise really.

    …. Watch Lazaro, who started rehearsing early, work hard to learn his songs and act, because he probably realizes this might be his last chance to show what he’s got, to stay in the industry, just to see the shows, and his opportunities disappear one show at a time….

    Don’t feel bad for Laz, but the Girls definitely deserved better…

  • Larc

    If MJ will look the other way just this once… ;)

    Las Vegas, Broomfield (Denver) and Tulsa weren’t on the schedules of S10 or S11. S10 did much better than S11 overall. In this list of tickets sold, it’s S10 first and S11 second.

    St. Louis – 8600 – 4500

    Kansas City – 8500 – 4700

    Minneapolis – 9600 – 5500

    Detroit – 9000 – 5500

    Ontario, CA – 7800 – 5800

    Oakland – 7800 – N/A

    Trenton (Philadelphia) – 9300 – 5400

    All listed locations were sold out in S10 except Oakland (92%) and Philadelphia (95%). None was sold out in S11.

  • Tusk

    Angie signed with Haley’s publishing company, Ole, right? At least she has that to supplement building her career. Signing with Ole certainly has been a HUGE deal for Haley’s post Idol career so far. Turns out, a more significant partnership than the one she had with Interscope.

    Did any of the other S12 Idols sign publishing deals?

  • stillcrazy2195

    Too bad!!! I live in KC and was sure gonna go catch their concert- partly out of concern that it may have been a last chance deal as obviously the tours would be trimmed away if idol goes into survival mode. Yikes!! Guess that day arrived even quicker than I had imagined…..

  • http://twitter.com/cindydesigns Cindy Moniz

    I don’t know. I thought Angie had quite a bit of buzz. Not sure if I completely agree with that. :)

  • ladymctech

    Good point. Let’s hope the viewership can hold at 10 million or so.

  • breakdown

    Unfortunate. Candice’s album shouldn’t be coming out this soon but I doubt that it is affecting the tour dates. It must be poor sales but they could have waited to see if sales picked up for those July dates.

  • James

    This is the first time in years that my family and I are not going to go.
    I live in South Florida and the sales for the Miami show are bad.

  • James

    Exactly.

    TPTB’s obsession to have a female winner came back to bite them in the behind.

  • James

    I can still get five on the floor for the Miami concert so MJ is right on point with the tickets sales being awful.

  • Pat H

    Lee and Taylor got bussed. Kris never got bussed. Just some bad decisions by RCA on 2nd single!

  • tigervixxxen

    Good info here. There was a Broomfield show last year btw.

  • 50Watts

    Thank god Kree did not win..

  • tigervixxxen

    The producers choose the cast

  • Larc

    You’re right. I’m blind. Missed it entirely. I’ll correct now.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    I was on Ticketmaster playing around and the first 3 tour stops that were not cancelled, I was able to buy block of 8 tickets in all sections I tried

  • Pat H

    That is exactly why I bought my Nokia tickets. I am actually excited about seeing the ladies.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    She’ll still have to carry the stink of this season like all the others

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    I’m still going–but probably only to one show, which will be a first for me since I began attending Season 3.

    Also, NO live blogs this year. I’ve got to spend that time regrouping for the fall.

  • Kirsten

    Oh, that is depressing. This is one of the prime way for the kids to make money off the show and often gave them a big nest egg. Plus, it is amazing to play in front of large crowds and have all the stage door shennigans.

    They can say what they want, but I’m sure sales are a factor. 19Alphabet doesn’t walk away from that kind of cash unless the cash isn’t there.

    Why are the third seasons always so bad? I tend to think it is because Production thinks they’ve figured out how to work the system and they just make a massive hash of it. Then they step back, try something new and just hang on for the ride the next year.

    After Season 9′s disaster tour, the Idols had to take a significant pay cut. Next year, they’ll probably make the Idols be their own roadies and hitch-hike between cities.

  • http://twitter.com/Falls_Guy Miles (Grumpy) (VI)

    Aren’t there duets and group number planned? Ladies .. who volunteers?

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    All the things I listed? But not to the same degree. How many hits and comebacks can a show take? At some point it’s just not going to be able to recover.

  • Dianne

    ITA judge’s salaries are outrageous, I don’t think, with ratings down, they can afford to pay as much as they have in the past, but if they just cut one million from some fat cat’s salary each member of the top 10 could get 100 grand. Just an example.

  • http://twitter.com/Falls_Guy Miles (Grumpy) (VI)

    Does any one know how YSMF did as a single? I have not seen anything but I did buy it and have heard some rare radio play.

  • like it or not!

    About how much do the contestants make for their concert appearances?

  • Susan

    True, I took a bathroom break during Haley’s set in Season 10!

  • Kirsten

    About how much do the contestants make for their concert appearances?

    Scotty’s contract was released and it revealed that they were each getting $1K per show. That was after Season 9 (where they cancelled shows, hid the concert stats, sold tickets for $10, gave away tickets and still faced empty venues).

    Prior to that, it was a sliding scale based on how you finished (with the winner making about $5K per show). It used to be really great, but even making $45K for a summer job is something most people would be happy about.

  • Susan

    Wow, only 4500 in St. Louis last year? Season 10 was at Scottrade, though they blocked off half the arena or more. Don’t know about last year. I see this year’s cancelled one was Chaifetz Arena, which is smaller.

  • Valarie

    Instead over having past Idols at the judging table, how about adding a few past favs to the tour? If they had James Durbin open the show, Kris Allen duet with Janelle, and Adam Lambert close the show, I would buy a ticket.

  • Margaret Cotogno

    IMO, the only way recording artists can make money nowadays is to tour – thanks to the fact that nobody has to buy their music anymore in order to be able to hear it, download it, whatever. An overabundance of live shows means smaller audiences. The whole music industry is being turned upside down and not in a good way. Curious to see how this plays out. As for Idol’s lackluster contestants, well, there’s a lot better stuff out there to buy tickets for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    Thats a really good idea! I loved the shows in Branson last summer (although they didn’t have the greatest attendance either) and it would take alums like that to get me to buy a ticket to this year’s tour.

  • LeahKittyS

    Thank goodness Manchester is still on! I saw the headline and my heart sank for a moment. It’s a shame, so many disappointed fans (not being sarcastic).

  • escape

    Can’t just put this on the guys. Candice and Kree have the lowest selling singles ever and it was reported that they had been working with song writers the last few mos.

  • like it or not!

    According to Wikipedia there were three sold out concerts for the 2012 AI Live Tour.

  • Sue tiedemann

    We know Idol wanted a girl to win. So in order for a girl to win you would pick the worst males from the auditions. And here we have our top 5 guys. Then we also have the worst judges ever. Producer manipulation obvious. Most of the people that go to concerts are young females. Candice has a great voice but I don’t think young teens like that type of music therefore low ticket sales. I personally think Idol screwed themselves for their own selfish reasons.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    Although I love Colton and Haley, who wants to pay for something and only see PART of it?! I agree with the previous posters that I’d just as soon not go (which is why I haven’t seen a tour since Season 6).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    Goes back to my point that I don’t think a guy has to win EVERY year, but to not even cast a male deserving to be in the Top 5 was a major turn off for me!

  • like it or not!

    For those of us who for whatever reason did not attend a live show last year, your live blogs were lifesavers for an AI11 junkie like myself! The bloggers were awesome!

  • LeoCS

    Predictable.

  • TheOther

    None was sold out in S11

    Phillip, Josh & Skylar sold out in their home states.

  • http://twitter.com/Falls_Guy Miles (Grumpy) (VI)

    “Producer manipulation obvious.” I think this was most of the problem… a real turn-off for me. I think the top 5 girls were worth watching. Themes, part of the manipulation process, were boring and old. The only up-temp came from Angie and occasionally Candice.

    The young female thing holds some water but I follow the top three and Angie has a ton of young fan girls in particular.

    I’m wondering if people have a general talent show burnout thing going on or …. it just seems like everyone is putting out a CD EP or single of some sort these days.

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

    I can’t imagine that even they could save the tour, I mean what songs would they mostly sing, ballads? lol

  • like it or not!

    Sorry Susan. My response was intended for Larc.

  • girlygirl

    They didn’t release the sales totals, so nobody knows. As for radio play, it isn’t even listed on the mediabase site, which suggests that it wasn’t officially sent to radio.

  • DragonFly

    “As for Idol’s lackluster contestants, well, there’s a lot better stuff out there to buy tickets for.”

    Bad audience for that comment if you mean in general–absolutely love some of the talent Idol has given us.

  • MichaelG (MikhailXO)

    Oh.Stop. Had she won, likely more venues would have been cancelled.

  • Incipit

    “Next year, they’ll probably make the Idols be their own roadies and hitch-hike between cities.”

    I would LOL at that prediction, because it’s funny – – except it has the scary possibility of coming true.

    When they start issuing the kids with kazoos to be each others’ back up band and brown bags to pack a lunch in, it will be time to be very afraid, I think.

  • shenanigan

    And I remember Season 7 when the screaming for first David A. and then David C. was almost unbearable in intensity. It was a struggle to get tix and the stadiums were huge. The crowds were semi hysterical in some cases. Fun.

  • Larc

    Sorry, Lexie, but I think I misunderstood your original question. Venue sizes don’t really matter as much as how many tickets are offered for sale. Idol rarely contracts for all the seats in a venue. They will even vary the number in the same venues from year to year. For instance, S10 and S11 tour concerts were both in the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia. Idol offered 9,848 tickets for the S10 concert and 7,014 for S11. Maximum concert capacity of Wells Fargo is about 12,000. There’s no way of knowing how many tickets they initially offered this year for concerts in each of the cancelled cities.

  • lexa

    Here are the concert stats that were available per wiki since season 4

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6edbntpm1w5kk5y/Blank.pdf

  • elliegrll

    Most of the people who go to the concerts are older women, who are there with their very young kids.

    Candice is just one person, she wasn’t going to draw people to a two to three hour show on her own. The attendance this year rests on the shoulders of everyone, this was just an incredibly boring group, and the song choices that they were given made them look worse. Candice was the only one who had any buzzed about moments, but Candice, just like everyone who was in the top 40, was a horrible reality show contestant.

  • elliegrll

    All of the contestants share the blame. It makes no sense that everybody kept picking slow ballads every week. Someone should have had the common sense to pick a song that didn’t sound like everybody else’s so that he or she would stand out more.

  • Cory Patrick

    I wouldn’t mind seeing just a top 5 tour full of solos of Candice, Kree, Angie, Amber, and Janelle along with some solid group numbers. They could hold their own.

  • Tinawina

    I’d go to that. Unfortunately it’s not an option.

  • elliegrll

    I think that’s a bad idea. The AI tour is not a regular concert. People really aren’t there to hear the songs, they are there to support their favorite reality show contestants, and relive the season. I don’t think that anyone who is trying to launch a career would want to be involved in anything that just makes them look like they have not advanced in their career, even if it is the truth.

  • Tinawina

    That’s the only reason I feel bad about any of it. To me TPTB had this coming, plus nothing lasts forever anyway… but I don’t want these ladies to be the ones paying the price. They don’t deserve it. They’re all great. :(

  • elliegrll

    It’s a way for them to make money, but my response is the same as it was after season 9, if they wanted to build up a base, get some buzz, and sell more albums/singles they should have been better contestants during the season. I’m not putting all of the blame on them, but a lot of the stuff that went on this season didn’t make sense. Even if AI only furnished them with stale ballads, they could have tried to shake up the arrangements. Pretty much everyone needed to work on their stage presence, song interpretation, and being more consistent.

  • Kirsten

    Here are those stats for Season 1-3:

    Season 1:
    Number of Shows: 30 (5 sold out)
    Total Gross: $8,086,600
    Total Attendance: 257,680
    Average Ticket Price: $31.38

    Season 2:
    Number of Shows: 41 (17 sold-out)
    Total Gross: $15,546,772
    Total Attendance: 407,404
    Average Ticket Price: $38.16

    Season 3:
    Number of Shows: 49 (3 sold-out)
    Total Gross: $11,372,423
    Total Attendance: 250,862
    Average Ticket Price: $45.33

    And here are the few stats we have for the last disaster tour season – Season 9:
    Number of Shows Reported: 11 (no sell-outs)
    Total Gross: $3,182,811 (USA Today reports $9.6M – they have better sources – this is likely for the entire tour)
    Total Attendance: 62,908
    Average Ticket Price: $50.59

    % Capacity: 61%

  • elliegrll

    Just like the people in season 9. The poor sales for her single, and the lack of radio spins are a sign that she doesn’t have a lot of momentum coming off of the show, and that will be the case for everyone in the top ten.

  • hellomusicgirl

    Info on past AI tours:

    S1 – 30 shows – 258,526 (82%) tix sold – $8,119,342 revenue

    S2 – 41 shows – 411,005 (85%) tix sold – $15,977,802 revenue

    S3 – 50 shows – 258,577 (60%) tix sold – $11,400,424 revenue

    S4 – 44 shows – 392,094 (89%) tix sold – $17,364,290 revenue

    S5 – 60 shows – 656,550 (96%) tix sold – $35,829,661 revenue

    S6 – 59 shows – 383,331 (69.3%) tix sold – $22,973,240 revenue **these numbers are for 55 of the 59 shows**

    S7 – 53 shows – 493,296 (85.1%) tix sold – $29,906,507 revenue

    S8 – 52 shows – 484,434 (86%) tix sold – $30,139,328 revenue

    S9 – 44 shows – no exact numbers allowed to escape the black hole lol – Pollstar listed $9,600,000 revenue but not sure if that was confirmed as true

    S10 – 49 shows – 403,695 (97%) tix sold – $22,002,464 revenue

    S11 – 46 shows – 252,703 (84%) tix sold – $14,413,023 revenue

    *disclaimer* these numbers come straight from wikipedia so if there are a few numbers off, that’s the price of convenience ;)

  • Tinawina

    I think “everyone in the top 40″ and “horrible” are huge overstatements, but I do agree this was a low energy group for TV overall.

  • http://twitter.com/Falls_Guy Miles (Grumpy) (VI)

    Just on stations where it can be requested….sounds great on the radio btw.

  • elliegrll

    There are some of them that I would have cast, but probably not in the same season. As a group there just wasn’t enough diversity, energy or personality. The same is true with season 9, they were all talented, and the majority of them would have stood out more if they were on different seasons, and cast alongside different contestants.

  • lexa

    Thanks. I am on a plane and was bored and decided to put it in a spreadsheet (best I could do on my iPad) so if anyone wants to print/save it they have the info. Ran out of time.

  • Larc

    None of the listed locations was sold out. S11 did have 3 sold out concerts overall.

  • Kirsten

    I can’t resist, I’m going to post the concert summary (with sources at the bottom):

    AI-1
    Total Gross: $8,086,600
    Total Attendance: 257,680
    Number of Tickets Available: 313,431
    % Capacity: 82%

    Average Gross: $269,553
    Average Attendance: 8,589
    Average Ticket Price: $31.38
    Number of Shows: 30
    Number of Sell-outs:5
    Percentage of Sell-0uts: 17%

    Lowest Attendance (tickets): 4,694: Detroit, MI
    Highest Attendance (tickets): 13,046: Washington, DC
    Lowest Attendance (percentage): 50%: E. Rutherford, NJ; Nashville, TN
    Highest Attendance (percentage): 100%: Detroit, MI; Worcestor, MA; Altlantic City, NJ; Washington, DC; Sacramento, CA
    Lowest Gross: $171,504: Detroit, MI
    Highest Gross: $426,040: Washington, DC

    ———————————

    AI-2
    Total Gross: $15,546,772
    Total Attendance: 407,404
    Number of Tickets Available: 477,961
    % Capacity: 85%

    Average Gross: $379,190
    Average Attendance: 9937
    Average Ticket Price: $38.16
    Number of Shows: 41
    Number of Sell-outs: 17
    Percentage of Sell-0uts: 42%

    Lowest Attendance (tickets): 2,905: Boise, ID
    Highest Attendance (tickets): 14,645: Charlotte, NC
    Lowest Attendance (percentage): 42%: Boise, ID
    Highest Attendance (percentage): 100%: Hartford, CT; Detrioit, MI; Toronto, ONT; Cleveland, OH; Worcester, MAx2; Philadelphia, PA, Washington, DC; E, Rutherford, NJ; Uniondale, NY; Providence, RH; Albany, NY; Raleigh, NC; Charlotte, NC; Atlanta, GA; Birmingham, AL; San Jose CA; Anaheim, CA
    Lowest Gross: $121,455 : Boise, ID
    Highest Gross: $477,963 : Charlotte, NC

    AI-3
    Total Gross: $11,372,423
    Total Attendance: 250,862
    Number of Tickets Available: 420,332
    % Capacity: 60%

    Average Gross: $232,090
    Average Attendance: 5,120
    Average Ticket Price: $45.33
    Number of Shows: 49
    Number of Sell-outs: 3
    Percentage of Sell-0uts: 6%

    Lowest Attendance (tickets): 2,060: Evansville, IN
    Highest Attendance (tickets): 10,479: E Rutherford, NJ
    Lowest Attendance (percentage): 27%: Indianapolis, IN
    Highest Attendance (percentage): 100%: 3xHonolulu, HI
    Lowest Gross: $91,080: Evansville, IN
    Highest Gross: $478,853: E Rutherford, NJ

    ———————————

    AI-4
    Total Gross: $17,364,290
    Total Attendance: 392,094
    Number of Tickets Available: 437,136
    % Capacity: 89.7%

    Average Gross: $403,821
    Average Attendance: 9,118
    Average Ticket Price: $44.29
    Number of Shows: 43
    Number of Sell-outs: 12
    Percentage of Sell-0uts: 28%

    Lowest Attendance (tickets): 3,657: Des Moines, Iowa
    Highest Attendance (tickets): 14,304: Philadelphia, Pa.
    Lowest Attendance (percentage): 60%: Des Moines, Iowa
    Highest Attendance (percentage): 100%: Sunrise, Fla.; Birmingham, Ala.; Reading, Pa.; East Rutherford, N.J.; Philadelphia, Pa.; Wilkes-Barre, Pa.; Hartford, Conn.; Worcester, Mass.; Manchester, N.H.; Grand Prairie, Texas; Portland, Maine; Syracuse, NY
    Lowest Gross: $164,272 : Des Moines, Iowa
    Highest Gross: $633,132: Philadelphia, Pa.

    AI-5
    Total Gross: $35,291,883
    Total Attendance: 646,996
    Number of Tickets Available: 673,268
    % Capacity: 96%

    Average Gross: $598,168
    Average Attendance: 10,966
    Average Ticket Price: $54.55
    Number of Shows: 59
    Number of Sell-outs: 20
    Percentage of Sell-0uts: 34%

    Lowest Attendance (tickets): 6,048: Syracuse, N.Y.
    Highest Attendance (tickets): 15,337: Greensboro, N.C.
    Lowest Attendance (percentage): 80%: Austin, Texas
    Highest Attendance (percentage): 100%: 2xManchester, N.H.; 2xWorcester, Mass.;Hartford, Conn.; Albany, N.Y.; 2xEast Rutherford, N.J.; 2xUniondale, N.Y.; Wilkes-Barre, Pa.; Cleveland, Ohio; Rochester, N.Y.; Atlantic City, N.J.; Bridgeport, Conn.; Richmond, Va.; Greensboro, N.C.; Grand Rapids, Mich.; Portland, Ore.; Huntington, W. Va
    Lowest Gross: $357,758 : Syracuse, N.Y.
    Highest Gross: $791,159 : Philadelphia, Pa.

    ———————————

    Season 6: (not fully reported)
    Total Gross: $22,973,350 (55 concerts); $20,873,047 (50 concerts)
    Total Attendance: 383,331 (55 concerts); 344,373 (50 concerts)
    Number of Tickets Available: 491,992 (50 concerts) [553,200 deriving from reported percentages for 55 concerts]
    % Capacity: 70% (from 50 concerts) [69% deriving from reported precentages for 55 concerts]

    From 55 concerts
    Average Gross: $417,697
    Average Attendance: 6,969
    Average Ticket Price: $59.93
    Number of Shows: 55 (59 with 4 missing reports)
    Number of Sell-outs: 0
    Percentage of Sell-0uts: 0%

    Lowest Attendance (tickets): 3,479: Greensboro, NC
    Highest Attendance (tickets): 10,136: E. Rutherford, NJ (average of 2)
    Lowset Attendance (percentage): 34%: Louisville, Kentucky
    Highest Attendance (percentage): 95%: Portland, Maine
    Lowest Gross: $216,735 : Greensboro, NC
    Highest Gross: $605,172: Rosemont, Ill

    ———————————

    AI-7
    Total Gross: $29,840,598
    Total Attendance: 491,321
    Number of Tickets Available: 575,312
    % Capacity: 85%

    Average Gross: $563,030
    Average Attendance: 9,270
    Average Ticket Price: $60.73
    Number of Shows: 53
    Number of Sell-outs: 9
    Percentage of Sell-0uts: 19%

    Lowest Attendance (tickets): 3,940: Evansville, Ind.
    Highest Attendance (tickets): 13,101: Rosemont, Ill.
    Lowset Attendance (percentage): 59%; Cincinnati, Ohio
    Highest Attendance (percentage): 100%: San Jose, Calif; Rosemont, Ill.; Atlantic City, N.J.; Manchester, N.H.; Worcester, Mass.; Duluth, Ga.; Tulsa, Okla.; Bridgeport, Conn.; Providence, R.I
    Lowest Gross: $230,814 : Evansville, Ind.
    Highest Gross: $773,060 :Rosemont, Ill.

    ———————————

    AI-8
    Total Gross: $30,071,631
    Total Attendance: 483,512
    Number of Tickets Available: 564,938
    % Capacity: 85.6%

    Average Gross: $578,301
    Average Attendance: 9,298
    Average Ticket Price: 62.19
    Number of Shows: 52
    Number of Sell-outs: 8
    Percentage of Sell-0uts: 15%

    Lowest Attendance (tickets): 5,576: Syracuse, N.Y.
    Highest Attendance (tickets): 14,288: North Little Rock, Ark.
    Lowset Attendance (percentage): 65%: Vancouver, British Columbia
    Highest Attendance (percentage): 100%: North Little Rock, Ark.; Duluth, Ga.; Boston, Mass., Bridgeport, Conn., Providence, R.I., Syracuse, N.Y., Manchester, N.H.
    Lowest Gross: $359,130: Syracuse, N.Y.
    Highest Gross: $820,823: North Little Rock, Ark.

    ———————————

    AI-9 (barely fully reported)
    Total Gross: $3,182,811 (USA Today reports $9.6M – Pollstar? Late unpublished reports?)
    Total Attendance: 62,908
    Number of Tickets Available: 103,895
    % Capacity: 61%

    Average Gross: $289,347
    Average Attendance: 5,718
    Average Ticket Price: $50.59
    Number of Shows Reported: 11
    Number of Sell-outs: 0
    Percentage of Sell-0uts: 0%

    Lowest Attendance (tickets): 3,293: Minneapolis, Minn
    Highest Attendance (tickets): 7,872: Philadelphia, PA.
    Lowset Attendance (percentage): 38%: Anaheim, CA
    Highest Attendance (percentage): 89%: Uncaseville, Conn
    Lowest Gross: $178,469: Portland, Ore
    Highest Gross: $439,370 : Newark, NJ

    ———————————

    AI-10 (excluding Manila dates)
    Total Gross: $22,002,464
    Total Attendance: 403,695
    Number of Tickets Available: 416,233
    % Capacity: 97%

    Average Gross: $468,138
    Average Attendance: 8,589
    Average Ticket Price: $54.50
    Number of Shows Reported: 47
    Number of Sell-outs: 24
    Percentage of Sell-0uts: 51%

    Lowest Attendance (tickets): 4,975: Syracuse, N.Y.:
    Highest Attendance (tickets): 13,533: Raleigh, N.C.
    Lowset Attendance (percentage): 87%: Albany, N.Y.
    Highest Attendance (percentage): 100%: Everett, Los Angeles, Ontario, Grand Prairie, Houston, New Orleans, Duluth, Raleigh, Charlotte, Nashville, St. Lous, Kansas City, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Rosemont, Detroit, Atlantic City, Wilkes-Barre, Bridgeport, Providence, Portland, Manchester, Uncasville, Toronto
    Lowest Gross: $286,435 : Syracuse, N.Y.
    Highest Gross: $696,605 : Raleigh, N.C.

    ———————————

    AI-11 (excluding Manila dates):

    Total Gross: $14,413,023
    Total Attendance: 252,703
    Number of Tickets Available: 300,072
    % Capacity: 84%

    Average Gross: $320,289
    Average Attendance: 5,616
    Average Ticket Price: $59.54
    Number of Shows Reported: 45
    Number of Sell-outs: 3
    Percentage of Sell-0uts: 7%

    Lowest Attendance (tickets): 2,612: Syracuse, NY
    Highest Attendance (tickets): 9,226: Lafayette, LA
    Lowest Attendance (percentage): 54%: Wikes-Barre, PA
    Highest Attendance (percentage): 100%: Lafayette, LA; Jackson, MISS; Duluth, GA
    Lowest Gross: $160,018 : Syracuse, NY
    Highest Gross: $481,581 : Lafayette, LA

    Raw data sources:
    Season 1-3: Posters at Pulse
    Season 4-5: The often imitated, never duplicated, Nevada
    Season 6: Leaked Boxscores, Idol Stages, Hazehel
    Season 7-8: Leaked Boxscores
    Season 9: Pollstar/Leaked Boxscores
    Season 10: Leaked Boxscores
    Season 11: Leaked Boxscores

  • merkureye

    Angie was punished for going uptempo with Shop Around. I don’t think anyone else was willing to go there after that. I think Janelle did something uptempo (started in the audience) and she was panned for it as well.

  • H.A.

    I doubt you’ll ever see this happened. Adam has his own career and has no problem filling his own concert tours. His most recent tour he pulled in close to a million his first day. His people would laugh at the idea.

  • merkureye

    Angie has stage presence in spades (Finale anyone?) The others, not so much imo.

  • hellomusicgirl

    Thank you so much for the more detailed (and probably more exact) info, Kirsten!! You are the queen of the numbers :)

  • Tinawina

    Okay I can agree with that.

  • PinkClouds20

    To be a successful American Idol contestant, you have to do more than just sing well. You need to be interesting, fun, and have some charisma and this group just didn’t have it.

  • elliegrll

    Angie was scolded for doing a song that she was comfortable doing. Since she was noticeably uncomfortable the performance was bad.

    Picking the right song, and interpreting in a way that matched their strengths was a problem for everyone.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    Candice, Kree and Angie have it the worst, their music is coming out as the trainwreck is still happening in front of us. So they are directly compared to the season even if it’s unfair. Someone like Janelle can take her time releasing music and put distance between her and the season. Season 12 might be a case study of not striking while the iron is hot lol

  • elliegrll

    This is true in terms of having a successful post AI career too. I think that the fate of many former alums should have served as a warning for this group. I just don’t understand why the ratings and lack of media attention wasn’t a wake up call for them and the producers at any point during the season.

  • elliegrll

    Angie tends to think that she is in a high school play, which is why she was constantly called out for being overly dramatic. She also has this weird habit of looking at the camera as if she is about to start making out with it. So, yes, she was part of the problem this season.

  • Tinawina

    Okay I’m not trying to start any big posting war or anything, but that’s pretty predictable. If you look at what’s been going on for 5 seasons, and look at who launched well and who didn’t, it would be pretty easy to see that Candice and Kree were probably not destined to sell all that much. Just think back 5 years and list in your head who sold a lot of albums coming opening week coming off the show. Their benchmarks were going to be Lauren Alaina and Crystal Bowersox. Add the negative buzz and decreased ratings into your calculations and there you go. They would have to do everything damn near perfect to even have a shot at selling decently to this audience..

  • PinkClouds20

    I’m not sure if it’s entirely the contestants fault. The producers could have done a lot more to showcase the contestants personalities. It just seems that all the attention was on the judges and not on the contestants. It felt like I was watching The Nicki Minaj show.

  • elliegrll

    Janelle can take her time, but just as the season 9 kids learned, it’s going to be hard to use her AI connection as any type of a spring board, and it’s not like she will have some huge AI fanbase.

  • DragonFly

    Re. that lineup. Sometimes fans here just “voice out” how we’d like things to happen. It’s not whether it’s feasible or not, it’s just what would make us “buy a ticket”—lol.

  • elliegrll

    I’m not ready to say that a girl can’t sell well. Candice and Kree weren’t perfect, and neither were Crystal and Lauren. None of these women had runs that would endear them to people, or attract the people who are open to supporting the alums who aren’t soft rock leaning white guys.

  • merkureye

    What an odd year to add an 11th idol on tour. The Aubrey Cleland addition is really awkward. Adding someone to the Tour who did not have common live show experiences with the others and probably no fanbase is really weird to me.
    Before the announcement of the cancellations I have thought of how the Tour would play out and it doesn’t seem very appealing overall. I love all the ladies and, as others have already stated, I would go to a concert with just them. But with the guys tagging along, it means the entire first half of the show will be conducted by very average performers. The “real” show won’t even start until intermission is over.
    I’ve wondered if they added Aubrey to be the female back-up vocalist for the other acts. Last year Elise and Erika were back-up vocals on almost every number. I can’t see them making Candice, Kree, or Angie doing back-up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    Makes me wonder if it would be any different if David Willis and Juliana Chahayed had made the Top 10…

  • Tinawina

    I think it can be done, but like I said they’d have to play a near perfect game at this point. Angie might have been able to pull it off if she had pulled it together earlier in the season.

  • Tinawina

    At first that was true, but I think she got a lot better (ironically) top 3 night.

  • AndyB11

    The variable numbers in gross revenues for these tours pales in comparison to the amount of money flushed down the toilet on these celebrity judges. When Idol started no one had any idea who Simon was but he worked because he was interesting. Unless they fix the show you could have extremely talented contestants and the tours will continue to bomb.

  • http://twitter.com/JulesAlveria Jules Alveria

    In my opinion, three of the guys deserved their spots in the TOP 10 – Devin, Paul and Burnell. They may not be everyone’s taste but they all have their own hardcore fans (I’m personally a Paul supporter – this is coming from someone who has always been all about the girls in previous years). The entire season, their talents have been overlooked in an effort to get the female winner they wanted. I’m really not surprised that some tour dates are now cancelled with the ratings this season has gotten.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    AI name can get you gigs, you might be playing really small venues but sometimes doing it the old fashion way is still the best way. Ultimately it’s the material that actually matters. Not everybody is ready to be signed to a major label. I would say 80-90% of the Idol contestants aren’t. A little touring in a beat down Van builds character. Just keep writing and releasing your music and hope you catch that break. I actually watched Hollie Cavanagh’s Stageit performance yesterday and she played 2 original songs and I gotta be honest her writing skills really impressed me (and wanna hear the studio) but I really liked one of her songs.

  • merkureye

    Reminds me of the night on Jay Leno when Lazaro couldn’t memorize his lyrics so he read them. Good job voters making Lazaro place sixth (snerk). Brutal.

  • girlygirl

    I don’t think this news would be any different if one of the guys from this year’s Top 10 had won Idol instead of Candice.

  • merkureye

    I wondered why Angie didn’t tweet that she was about to board a plane and head to LA for rehearsals. They were all supposed to be back in LA on June 1. Now I know why.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    Thats because they cast a bunch of mid pack guys in the Top 10, so that the girls wouldn’t have any competition.

  • vamp111

    So can this season officially replace season 9 as the official punching
    bag since ratings, sales and now tour situation are worse than season 9?

    Kinda like how Season 9 replaced Season 6 as the idol punching bag and how Season 6 replace 3 as the punching bag.

    Season 12 >>> Season 9 btw.

  • vamp111

    The ratings in Season 11 were lower than 9, but that doesn’t mean the season was worse.

  • Kirsten

    The variable numbers in gross revenues for these tours pales in
    comparison to the amount of money flushed down the toilet on these
    celebrity judges. When Idol started no one had any idea who Simon was
    but he worked because he was interesting.

    While I agree that the money spent on this years celebrity judges was excessive and wasted (and that they would have been better off finding interesting judges instead of merely famous ones), it’s interesting that the judges combined made less than Simon did.

    Mariah got paid $18M, Nicki $8M and Keith $4M for a total of $30M (I’m going to ignore Randy, because that tends to work best in all scenarios). Starting in Season 6, Simon got paid $33M a year while Randy toodled along with $1M. By Season 9, it was reported Simon was being paid as much as $35 and $36M. I’m still mad at Simon the wretched job he did as a judge in Season 9. Bad as Nicki was, Simon that year was still worst (petty fighting – check, phoning it in – check, promoting somebody who couldn’t sing – check – at least Nicki didn’t do that last thing and looked more stylish).

  • vamp111

    I will never forget as Season 9 tour dates were getting cancelled left and right, there was still a HUGE audition turnout for Nashville auditions. I believe nearly 20,000. Plus a great singer just won-why wouldn’t they try?

  • merkureye

    Imo tptb made a mistake in trying to get a balanced gender top 10 to begin with. I would have taken Breanna Steer, Rachel Hale, Isabelle, and Zoanette over any of them, even that little Alaskan girl.

  • resunikcufecin

    Just because the tour isn’t selling doesn’t mean the contestants lack talent or can’t be successful in the music business. I would buy an album from some of these girls long before I would buy anything from the season 10 cast. I go to concerts to hear good music, not to watch some guy scream out a Muse song.

  • vamp111

    Just because this season had bland contestants doesn’t mean the next one will.

  • Wfish88

    The guys lack talent, that much can definatly be said.

  • AndyB11

    I totally agree that Simon was a complete douche in Season 9 obviously to try to bolster X-Factor on his way out. But I’m curious what he got in the first couple seasons–I bet it was way less than Mariah and Nicki got totally unproven in their first season so in that sense he “earned” his raises until he was on his way out.

  • DragonFly

    Talk about a deafening crowd noise for that Muse performance—LOTS of people just LOVED IT. Other artists don’t need to be dissed in order for your snowflakes to be acknowledged.

  • vamp111

    At least she didn’t look like a deer in headlights like the AI9 contestants.

  • Wfish88

    They needed a character type this season- someone to make people laugh because the top 10 were so serious (exception: Janelle). Last year we had Heejun, season 10- Casey Abrams…

  • vamp111

    Candice wasn’t a horrible reality show contestant. She played the game.

  • Wfish88

    Agree with you- I even forgot Aubrey got added to the tour. She will be nothing but a wasted paycheck. I wish they did a wildcard the 11th spot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bug-Menot/100003601718986 Bug Menot

    “Universal Music Publishing Group signs the
    season 12 top-three finalist, who recently released her first single, “You Set Me Free” — a song she wrote.”

  • resunikcufecin

    They aren’t all that untalented compared to the guys from previous seasons. Lee/Scotty/Phillip are pretty lousy singers despite their popularity on the show. Devin can outsing those guys in his sleep. None of them would’ve come close to winning in a fair contest.

  • Wfish88

    What was Phillip Phillips? It’s all about the songs.

  • dabney_c

    Angie wasn’t punished for going uptempo. She was criticized for doing a poor job with an uptempo song.

  • vamp111

    Angie and Candice make me laugh. They have a sense of humor.

  • babyspock

    The sliding scale was talked about and assumed during S8 based on prior seasons. But on Larry King Adam said every got paid the same amount.

  • vamp111

    Lee/Scotty/Phillip are pretty lousy singers despite their popularity on the show.

    I don’t think I ever heard Scotty go off pitch on the show. Just because he doesn’t scream the high notes doesn’t mean he’s a bad singer. Phillip and Lee went off pitch at times.

  • PinkClouds20

    Phillip Phillips was a bit of a rebel and that made him interesting. The fact that he was in physical pain most of the time, made people take notice.

  • merkureye

    Sorry, don’t buy it. Disagreed with this meme from the beginning. Since when is it bad to be aware of the camera. After all, you are trying to connect with the millions of potential voters who are not sitting in the studio audience. “High school” play and “over-dramatic” are just veiled put-downs used by some to try and diminish Angie’s unbelievable stage presence. Don’t get the criticism at all.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    No matter how you look at it, this season lacks “stars”. The seasons that have high gross receipts, had multiple finalists that people were passionate about and wanted to see perform. Candice seems nice and can sing, but so could Melinda Doolittle. It just is not enough.

  • vamp111

    Just because one season is bad doesn’t mean the next one will be. Seasons 3, 6, 9, and 12 were called by a lot of fans the “worst season ever” then seasons 4, 7, and 10 were all great and were considered “rebound” seasons.

  • mtlfan2

    this is sad for the kiddos. I’m not surprised though. There was not much excitement this season with this top 10 and it’s not surprising they are changing the complete judges panel. The 5 guys selected.. really? I hope the next panel balances more voice, artistry and entertainement values when it comes to the final cut. Voice only is not enough as we witness this season

  • Kirsten

    But I’m curious what he got in the first couple seasons–I bet it was
    way less than Mariah and Nicki got totally unproven in their first
    season so in that sense he “earned” his raises until he was on his way
    out.

    Yep, he definitely helped to put Idol on the map for 8 seasons. Then he tried to bury. This year, Nicki dug it up, ripped off it’s head and then popped it in a wood-chipper while Mariah tried to bore the audience to death.

  • taylor

    Nicki was paid 12 million and had some kind of deal with the Pepsi buy-out. That’s at least 30 right there. At least Simon and crew were still bringing in viewers over those years. The show was still the #1 show on TV. That 30 million made more sense for the #1 show for years, instead of where it ended up this year.

  • Wfish88

    :o

  • merkureye

    I’ve got to agree. Candice was pushed so hard on almost all the blogs but I knew she couldn’t carry the crown comfortably. She just doesn’t have the “it” factor imo. Nice voice, and seems like a nice person though. There was a contestant this year that had they won, imo, could have made everything different but it was not to be. Btw, for Candice’s sake and the show’s, I hope Candice proves me wrong but, I don’t think it will happen.

  • vamp111

    Meh the season just ended, I’m sure there will be people who come back to watch out of curiosity, they need more time for the season to come back again. Its easy to say you aren’t going to watch again when the season just ended since you have viewer fatigue.

  • bridgette12

    It wasn’t the physical pain he was in that made people take notice, it was when he mangled songs so bad that if you didn’t know the song title, you would be clueless about how it was actually suppose to sound.

  • vamp111

    Candice isn’t a “mainstream” star, but I think she can make a niche for herself in the R&B world like Fantasia.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    I would agree that Devin has a better voice than each of those guys. Devin was actually my favorite guy from this season. However, he did not have the musicianship of Lee/Scotty/Phillip. He didn’t know how to choose a song or interpret to create that perfect moment. And unfortunately, because I feel he went before his time, Devin wasn’t given many opportunities to find his stride.

  • PinkClouds20

    It’s not always about the voice, it’s about the song and apparently people liked what he was singing or he wouldn’t have won.

  • bridgette12

    Your right, sometimes it’s now about the voice, because someone like Lee DeWyze also won.

  • Kirsten

    I shan’t argue that the judges earned their wages this year.

    I guess TPTB were hoping that they would boost ratings.

    Epic fail.

  • tigervixxxen

    Doesn’t matter what song was chosen. The band and producers would arrange it to the lounge by the waterfall at the mall version of whatever song it was. I do pin smart song selection on the contestants in general but this season it was more than obvious how Nigel and Mia minions held everyone hostage.

  • taylor

    “Most of the people that go to concerts are young females.”

    Not to American Idol concerts. The concerts are full of families, small children, tweens, teens, groups of middle aged and older women, and many older couples.

    AI screwed themselves by not giving the mommas and grandmas someone to swoon over, so they could drag their whole families, including their husbands and the kiddies or grandkiddies, with them to their yearly big concert event.

  • PinkClouds20

    Lee DeWyze won because Simon liked him. And people voted with whoever Simon liked.

    Let me add, I personally thought Lee was an average singer and Crystal should have won. Lee also was very dull.

  • vamp111

    That is interesting you say that. Some contestants were just on the wrong season. If Candice and Crystal were on a season like maybe Season 10, they would have probably had a little more buzz.

    Or the other way around-Kris Allen for example is a more “low energy” performer, and if he was on Season 9 with the other “low key” contestants, the season wouldn’t have been any better received. Not his fault, there were just too many singer-songwriters already.

    If Season 12 was a season of all the top 5 girls and a top 5 boys group of David Cook, Scotty McCreery, James Durbin, Joshua Ledet, and Blake Lewis, it would be a fantastic group. Imagine Candice and Joshua on the same season.

  • merkureye

    But unfortunately, AI “needed” a mainstream star like Kelly or Carrie, this year. The show’s winners except for the 2 noted exceptions just don’t move the needle. The competition of the other singing shows and flagging ratings demanded that AI find another mainstream star.

  • tigervixxxen

    Right because Simon leaving circus was the contestants fault.

  • abbysee

    Yep, blame Candice. There are ten other people, but she’s too blame. The contestant that could have been idol’s savior is still performing, but not headlining makes all the difference. Not.

  • bridgette12

    Lee won because he was a WGWG and he was more likeable than Crystal.

  • merkureye

    So now, instead of only waiting for 5 performances to be over before the main attraction, we’ve got to slog through 6 sets fo performances. Exhausting.

  • vamp111

    Phillip is doing well with the mainstream audience. And the R&B audience is a pretty big and loyal one.

  • PinkClouds20

    Yes, they needed a pop star like Kelly Clarkson. Totally agree. Candice is a great singer, but she is not mainstream.

  • vamp111

    Mostly because he was pushed by Simon.

  • vamp111

    The competition of the other singing shows

    The other singing shows have to actually find someone who is successful first. They haven’t done that.

  • bridgette12

    Mostly because he was more commercial than Crystal

  • PinkClouds20

    I found Lee to be unlikeable. Not much of a personality.

  • spycig

    I went to Seasons 8, 9, 11 & 12 – didn’t got to Season 10 because I didn’t like anyone that much and Lee winning put me off… not going this years because the guys are just too mediocre and I don’t want to waste my time listening to them!

  • bridgette12

    Lee is in good company because there has been several winners that lack personality.

  • 50Watts

    maybe you should re read your post…u made some mistakes..

  • PinkClouds20

    Didn’t Crystal sell more records than Lee?

  • merkureye

    . . .still performing. . .not headlining. . .makes difference? Don’t think I understand the point. Was there one?

  • bridgette12

    I have no idea, I didn’t keep up with either.

  • Guest

    No there wasn’t . Everyone of them was mediocre. None of them had that star quality

  • taylor

    The reference was to the ratings competition, not the artists from the shows competing against each other. The shows are in direct competition for viewers now, and as we see from the past couple of seasons of The Voice and AI, the large majority of viewers are watching for pure entertainment value.

  • merkureye

    I’m really speaking in terms of viewership. As as been well documented here on Mj’s, AI is losing viewers in droves.

  • Larc

    I think singing is one thing and screaming is another entirely. Truly good singers never confuse the two.

  • dabney_c

    I utterly couldn’t stand Angie’s stage presence, and that includes the finale.

  • dabney_c

    No, no. No she didn’t.

  • overthetop1

    Music Speaks?

  • PinkClouds20

    Why is it the males like Constantine and Adam Lambert can look at the camera like they’re making out with it, but the females are not allowed?

  • dabney_c

    merkureye, you’re a fan, clearly. But not everybody shares your great enthusiasm for Angie Miller. For some of us, she does not have “unbelievable stage presence”. For me, she has exceedingly annoying stage presence. You might not get the criticism, and that’s fine. But please accept the fact that there are people who simply find her brand of dramatics irritating.

  • Larc

    I agree as long as it’s in addition to and not instead of. There is no acceptable substitute for being a good singer, IMO. The rest is important, but it’s no more than lipstick on a pig without the basics.

  • PinkClouds20

    It wasn’t Devin’s voice that was the problem. He was too girly.

  • http://twitter.com/Falls_Guy Miles (Grumpy) (VI)

    The contrasting style of your unnamed contestant I believe would have certainly raised the intensity of and therefore the interest in the finale against whomever. I don’t know that it would have been enough to raise the season. We’ll have to see how they are received on the tour as a possible clue.

    Such is the stuff that makes Idol what it is.

  • DragonFly

    Just like many in other seasons, audience’s screams & cheers can’t be denied when there’s videos of the tours to back it up. We all have our individual favorites (from lots of seasons). Concert-goers can’t be made to react in such a way–S10 cast was well-rec’d. I very much appreciated the live blogging for it & the videos that showed the crowd love.

  • Larc

    Some of us are still scratching our heads over that.

  • dabney_c

    Constantine was not exactly praised for eye-f***ing the camera. More like ridiculed and raked over the coles.

  • Aakash Mansukhani

    Totally agree. Phillip has two songs in the top 100 iTunes still, which is pretty awesome and shows that the Idol machine still has a lot of power. Of course, adjustments need to be made to make the show more relevant and captivating, but the major fix right now for me seems to be with casting and not the judges. I think Candice can do extremely well given the right song (i.e. Jordin Sparks) and “I Am Beautiful” isn’t that song for sure. Heck I think Candice could be just as successful as some of the others, she just needs the right material because she has the vocal chops.

  • PinkClouds20

    We all have different tastes in music. I loved Phillip on Idol and he’s having tons of success right now. Two singles played on the radio and a tour with John Mayer. It doesn’t get any better.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    The amazing part of Season 9 tour was that it was really good! Siobhan shocked many as we saw a real Rock Chick. Listening to the song segment for Crystal was mesmerizing. Casey James showed guitar skills not seen by other Idols. The big disappointment was indeed Lee. People began walking out after Crystal performed. For Season 7, there wasn’t anyone walking out on David Cook!

  • alt28023

    Boring season with lack of moments lacks sales. Surprise surprise.

  • PinkClouds20

    I went to the Season 7 tour. The two David’s were pretty awesome. I remember the crowd went completely nuts. I think I lost my hearing after that night.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I agree, except that Chris Mann seems to be having some career success. Singing at the Memorial Day celebration in Washington, DC is a big deal to many. I think he will be a singing star. He’s the only one I can think of that’s not an American Idol.

  • bridgette12

    Your right, he’s having tons of success right now.

  • merkureye

    I didn’t think the unnamed contestant would have necessarily raised the season but I did/do think that the Finale week would have been more exciting and buzzworthy. I also believe the Tour would have been better received in terms of ticket sales. And finally, I think there would have been much more media excitement (interviews, magazine photo shoots, etc.) for the alternate I have in mind who is a very good interview and very photogenic. As for the tour, in my mind, the winners set will be almost anti-climatic, after the supposedly “mid-packers” perform.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I didn’t think Devin was too girly, but his hair color bothered me. Now, this guy can sing, so who knows what the future will hold. Lazaro needs to get into a band.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I agree. Also, Janelle is the spark plug of this group and should sing first. I loved Candice’s performances, but Janelle seemed so sweet and sincere.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Shuba? From what I understand all these girls can try out again? Right? I really liked them.

  • vamp111

    there has been several winners that lack personality.

    I can’t really think of any TBH. All the winners have some kind of a personality. Some may be more shy or laid back than others, but that doesn’t mean they lack personality.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Wait a minute folks, I thought Idol changed things last year and the Idols don’t go on in any kind of order. I thought they open up with the most exciting acts for Seasons 10 and 11. Am I wrong?

  • H.A.

    If I remember correctly Adam said both him and Kris got paid the same which was 250k and everyone else got paid 100k.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    For me, there’s never been any doubt that Crystal should have won. All you had to do was go to the Idol concert. WOW! Now, she can look forward to playing Patsy Cline!

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I agree! There were at least 6 contestants that could have fit in another season. We didn’t get to see the silly side of this bunch. I hope some will have a career from here on.

  • curly_yenta

    You can be the best singer on earth but if you can’t be a performer on stage no one will pay to see you either on this idol tour or post idol. The most successful alumni are those who can entertain. Those who can’t fade into oblivion.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I would like Idol to have a Christmas Special. They have been good shows in the past.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    There was humor in Constantine’s eye contact. He is such a good singer; he should have lasted longer! I am happy he has found success beyond Idol.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    The thing is Angie has a great voice. The mistakes or flaws she has can be corrected by a good coach or manager. I still wanted Candice to win.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    There was so much talent and good looking guys in Season 7. The girls were good, too! The only Idol tour I wished I had attended was Season 5. However, my budget was tight.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I noticed Amber was left off the list. I have to agree. I wish that Janelle could have taken her spot. People don’t like a contestant pushed down our throats.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Again, I have heard the Idols don’t go in order any longer other than the winner.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    He has a good size fan base. I hope to see Paul blossom out of all this. I am sure all the girls will do just fine.

  • SteelWauhterz

    Sadly, we could see the writing on the wall around mid-season. Though we are not particularly enthused with the cast, we are buying a block of tickets to support Candice. We did the same thing in the old days, support the artists club dates and appearances till they got their feet on the ground, and their careers began to take off. These young ladies, and their male back up group, have earned this opportunity. It’s not their fault that they were collateral damage in a much larger war of agendas.

  • SteelWauhterz

    The producer’s manipulations took the vested, loyal audience out of the mix, and they were the one who normally purchased the tickets.

  • SteelWauhterz

    Angie is ok in very limited doses.Let her do the original song that established her as a contender, and don’t let her leave the piano.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Again, and again the Season 9 tour show was full of pleasant surprises! I’d pay to see it again. I feel sorry for Lee; he had a lot of responsibilities. But the beauty of Crystal’s voice; the outrageous metal rock performance of Siobhan; Casey’s guitar skills and beautiful face; and even Tim Durban’s winning smile and slide were worth the money!

  • SteelWauhterz

    My fear was that they were going to do with Angie, what they did with Colton last year. There was no way he should have been featured at the expense of Josh and Jessica.

  • SteelWauhterz

    If her run has shown anything, Angie is not an exciting performer, and should not be given 4 solos. Give Janelle and Curtis one of hers.

  • SteelWauhterz

    True, but I still think that motley crew from season ten put on the best, most diverse show I’ve seen. Naima and Casey have never been duplicated, and its a shame.

  • SteelWauhterz

    Nah, that dude was one step away from the incarnation of Pat Boone….Boring!

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    All they had to do was cut the prices of the tickets and offer them as part of a package. I agree, why cancel Las Vegas, just lower the price of the tickets!

  • DragonFly

    Lots of concert-goers loved watching that guy scream out a Muse song. I wish that great crowd reaction to all S12 Idols while on tour.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    The problem with Season 7 is the girls didn’t stop screaming while David C, David A. and Jason were singing. It was an exciting concert!

  • springboard2

    Yes, lack of moments was a big issue. In a good season, the top 2 or 3 at least have at least one moment, and also a real one, not a producer fabricated standing ovation and over the top comments.

    This year, was flat. Candice’s Lovesong was the closest to it, but it was not a water cooler moment, not a Billie Jean or Mad World.

    I am wondering who pulled the strings behind the scene during this season. Who really picked the contestants at the audition process, and up to top 10, who made the decision of having no challenging male contestant, etc..
    Was it Nigel/Ken (I don’t think so), Fox and Mike Darnell, the CKX/19 honchos? what is Simon Fuller’s role, Jimmy Iovine influence? Do the various parties agree, or was there much in-fighting within TPTB?

    I have the feeling that there was a lot of disagreement. Jimmy disappear towards the end of the season, Nigel was quiet, and his usual subtle(r) touch was missing. Randy and Mariah split off. There was an early declaration that Mariah will NOT come back, and Mike Darnell left.

    It looked that they was an attempt to attract a young audience at the audition stages, with Nicki and some very young contestants, but they seem to have made a u-tuns later on. Who was behind this change of heart. Fox or 19? Was the label happy with the decision?

    Just open questions.

  • Karen C

    Last year they had the same band though, and Phillip was able to do some different arrangements . It’s also that there were very few that would make interesting song choices and arrangements this year, unless they really were more limited.

  • Karen C

    Not just the guys to me, I think just about the only one I would at all want to see is Candice. I’m not going either, and I just think the concert would be too boring, and too expensive. I might have been more likely to go if the ticket prices were much lower, but to me it’s not worth it at those prices this year. I had gone the past few years, but there were contestants that I was really a fan of that I wanted to see. This year, there’s more that I wouldn’t pay to see than would.

  • Karen C

    The show I went to Lee was very well received, and I didn’t notice people walking out. Though, I agree it was a terrific concert.

  • Reflects On Life

    This makes no sense. – wouldn’t the same 5 guys be dragging down the back half of the tour, regardless of which girl won?

    Angie got TWO celebrity duets (Adam L & Jesse J) in the finale despite being a 3rd place finisher. Has any 3rd-placer has gotten that treatment? Angie fans needn’t worry – Ms Miller will have a starring role in the tour, too, even if she isn’t the headliner.

  • maymay

    Who are American Idol`s mainstream viewers? Female and White. How does a black female winner attract most idol`s viewers? People always say Season 3, 6, 9. 12 are the worst. And three of them are black female winners.

    Fox is not PBS but the commerical TV. This season wanted a Political Correctness winner but it became a disaster. Idol wanted a female winning, even more, a black female winning. That was totally a suicide move.

    After many singing shows air, Idol has not enough ratings to try the bold thing against its core viewers. Yes, people should not be too racism and sexism. But that is not this kind of case. Just like TV shows and movies are always full of handsome and pretty roles to attract most people. It is what it is. Unless the film company or the producer want to be non mainstream. As we all know, American Idol is definately a mainstream show since season 1.

  • Karen C

    Would these seasons have had any less problems if Diana Degarmo won Season 3? If Crystal had won Season 9, or if Kree or Angie had won this season? Or if Blake had won Season 6? The only one I would argue for would be Crystal, since she did do slightly better after the season ended, the rest might have done worse. Maybe Angie is going to do better but that remains to be seen.

    The seasons that a black female did win, the runners up or else anyone from that season were nowhere near as successful, except for Jennifer Hudson, another black female. And even so, at least up until now, the black female winners have done about as well, if not better, than some of the male winners.

    So, I don’t think the problem is racism. What is common about the seasons that you mentioned is that there wasn’t as much musical diversity in the finalists, that too many did the same type of song, and very few really stood out. If someone prefers a different type of music that is represented, they are less likely to be interested in a certain season, and that might be reflected in the ratings.

    The opposite of this is that the seasons that had the most musical diversity did the best, they all had rock/soft rock, country, R&B, season 10 even had Jazz represented.

  • potatorocks

    I don’t feel bad for anyone. TPTB came on social media(here) listened to people whining about WGWG’s. Believed it when people said they would stop watching if a woman didn’t win and created the scenario most were asking for. In order to guarantee an outcome they thought people wanted they destroyed the show. Candace and Kree won without any real competition. They will get albums they may not have in a different season. Hard to feel bad about it.

  • Reflects On Life

    “AI tour is not Cirque Du Soleil”

    [spits coffee at computer screen and rolls on floor laughing!]

    The “production rehearsal” excuse is legit – Lazaro needed more time to memorize lyrics.

  • irockhard

    If no one is interested in seeing these kids live then they can’t be successful in the music biz.

    Anyone from S12 would be lucky to achieve even half the success of that guy who “screamed out a Muse song”.

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Have to disagree with the Scotty comment and not just because I’m a fan. For example, last fall, the Band Perry’s band director tweeted about how amazed he was that Scotty was never off pitch and how rare that was…

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Love your sense of humor! But I don’t love the truth…

  • Lexie O’Neill

    There was still some order…the winner is held off for last. Everybody appeared in the first half, but the solos were the 6th and below. Then, the second half, I believe #2 opened and so on…

  • irockhard

    No to this! I’d buy a ticket to a James Durbin show only cause I’m not interested in seeing anyone else.

    And the less James has to do with Idol the better for him.

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Thanks! So, while we don’t have seating capacities for each venue, we can extrapolate that the venues in Season 10 were slightly smaller in some cases that earlier (8K vs. 9k average) while Season 11 was a good bit smaller (5K average) so they had been booking smaller.

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Thanks! What a difference between the two years…and then the drop for this year. How fast things can change.

  • Incipit

    “…the seasons that had the most musical diversity did the best,”

    That seems so simple, Karen C, and yet —it seems TPTB have to relearn it every three years…why doesn’t it stick in their heads, I wonder? They have the Balance Sheets for reference to remind them… Musical Diverity…they still keep messing that up. smh.

  • Not fit to print

    A thousand times YES! Exactly.

  • Anny_nanny

    They should limit the choice of Lazaro “Bridge over Troubled Water” and move on.
    And not spit coffee – I’ve tried, keyboard breaks.

  • ladymctech

    I do hope that auditioners still have faith in the Idol system. While I don’t think the show will ever have the viewership it had early on, I think with careful retooling, it can recover to some degree and still be a viable opportunity for young talents.

  • weareallinnocent

    What guy from Season 10 scrreamed out a Muse song?

  • Valarie

    That is season 12 in a nutshell. A couple of hundred stans, with members using multiple sockpuppets, convinced the entertainment media and Mike Darnell, that the wgwg was killing their show. In fact, the wgwg was propelling both the show and the tour.

  • Not fit to print

    Season 9 was the beginning of poor concert sales. You can’t walk out of you didn’t come in the first place.

    The real AI9 problem was the judging panel. Simon was bored and impatient. Ellen was nervous. Kara was very bristly. There was no bouyancy and positive energy. That’s what brings people out for a live show: the prospect of a good time, a bouyant and celebratory evening.

    This year has some lovely people in the Top 10 but the show did not leave the audience feeling good about it. Judges have to take a lot of the blame for that.
    The audience takes it’s cues from the judges. The show hasn’t had a truly invested and enthusiastic judge since Paula. Say what you will about her – those qualities more than made up for her wackiness.

    I’m not suggesting that she should come back – she couldn’t duplicate it now. Just saying that Idol is very much in need of that kind of energy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    Just to play devil’s advocate, Carrie Underwood was a horrible performer 8 years ago when she won.

  • Incipit

    “What guy from Season 10 screamed out a Muse song?”

    Top7 – “Uprising”.

    “Scream” is completely subjective, and the relevance of the subject in question to cancelled tours is totally unclear to me – but that’s the answer, weareallinnocent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    I think your seasons are messed up. Why would Lee winning make you not watch Scotty’s year? And THIS is Season 12 which you say you are not going to?

  • ladymctech

    Thank you. It’s time to stop using Season 9 as the measuring stick of inferiority.

  • ladymctech

    People can have a hard time with change, but sometimes it is for the best. I don’t personally think Randy had anything left to contribute positively to the show.

  • vdawg

    I think they are trying to lower the seating to maybe less than 4,000. per show I knew this was going to happen. Thank you Idol for having a girl win at all cost. TPTB turned off alot of loyal viewers this year and they will have to ,work very hard to get them back. A viewer who is middle age is better than no viewers at all.

  • Not fit to print

    The competition of the other singing shows and flagging ratings demand that AI get back to entertaining the audience that actually watches it, so that they don’t walk away.
    It demands a less manipulative executive that isn’t so desperate to put the fix in for a certain type of contestant that they suck the suspense right out the show. Five weeks of guys going home sent a lot of people to Big Bang Theory.
    Not to mention the catfighting judges and the scheduling peculiarities of a season in which the last show was up against the finales of some very popular shows etc.

  • ladymctech

    Hopefully, people will be able to see past that and give the ladies a chance in the music world. It’s not the contestants’ fault that FOX insisted on a trainwreck of a judges’ panel for this past season.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    Agreed, I bought more Itunes from Candice than anyone else this season and “I am Beautiful” was NOT one of them.

  • Not fit to print

    I don’t recall Scotty having a pitch problem either. He doesn’t go for the high notes – he would never do what Danny Gokey did on the show: push his voice so far out of it’s range that he ended up screaming.

    Not too many people can hit Scotty’s low notes. He has an awesome voice and, with experience, will only get better at making the most of it.

    Philip and Lee are less blessed but neither are bad by today’s standards.

  • Anny_nanny

    Every year we have the alumni with vocal chops, and every year I try to understand where they go and what do after the show. Pia? Jacob? Joshua? Who?

  • emme1000

    Usually, when they come to LA they perform at The Staples Center (where the Lakers play) now they are out in Ontario? This is about ticket sales.

  • fuzzywuzzy
  • chillj

    Wow.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    They are performing at the Nokia in LA.

  • merkureye

    Last years AI Live Tour (S11 with P2) was at Ontario, CA also, not the Staples Center. But your point about this being about tickets sales is no doubt accurate.

  • jpfan2

    At least when L/S/P were on the show, people actually watched it! ;0

  • chillj

    Hey, I don’t see Beyonce suffering from lack of audience, so I do not think race is the defining factor. These shows are reviews, with generally many varieties of types of talents. This year is a little monochromatic voice-wise, and there are not so many interesting singers to watch. I would like to see Candice and Kree and Janelle, but really don’t care about the rest of the contestants. I would not pay for a concert where these three are not providing all of the music.

    (The male contestants in particular are really boring. Who wants to see any of them again?)

  • emme1000

    Thx…I misread the list. Also the last time I paid attention to the concert tour they were at Staples! No one I really wanted to see in person since Adam.

  • jpfan2

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the last Idol tour. I don’t think either the XF or The Voice does a tour. The tour involves spending top dollar to see a bunch of mostly amateurs do covers. Unless the audience is invested in the show, there’s not much reason to go.

  • chillj

    Yup. If this concert was twenty or thirty bucks I would go. But they charge as if it is a headline tour, so the audience demands more. I frankly expect more from a full price tour. Venue fees and surcharges do not help; they have escalated dramatically in the past several years, so concert goers, except for kids it seems, are more particular.

  • merkureye

    Hopefully you are engaging in hyperbole about Candice and Kree not having any competition but your point is well-taken. I too have a conspiracy theory.similar to yours, though more complex lol. There was a hue and cry on social media about the wgwg winners killing the diversity of the show, thus viewers. Another theory was the judging panel needed a hip-hop influence to draw a younger demographic. The ideas were implemented, failed, and now? Well there is an old saying: Success has many Fathers but failure is an orphan.

  • Valarie

    If they are smart enough to cast a rocker/showman, a strong country male, and current pop and country girls and boys, they could pull a season 10, with a sold out tour. Not holding my breath.

  • Sassycatz

    And how many of those complaining fans are watching from the US and therefore the only ones that actually count when it comes to ratings and advertisers?

  • chillj

    I’m a woman, but I didn’t want to be affirmative actioned into a thrown contest. It was insulting to maintain the only way a woman could win was to present horrible males. Really, who needs that? They need to present a gender and musical mix to include as much of the country as they can – and they failed to do that. Not rocket science.

  • Liteasy

    I wouldn’t go to the tour concert if it was free this year – big snooze feast with all ballads.

  • Larc

    The last time the Idol tour in LA was at the Staples Center was S9. They chose the Nokia for S10, S11 and now S12.

  • TheOther

    Phillip was good about picking songs (Volcano, The Stone, It’s Still Raining) that suited him and that had not been done to death on Idol. He was not a ballad singer, which is what a show like Idol is gears around. Which is what Season 12 fell back into.

  • justmefornow

    LMFAO. That guy was the only reason I went to the the Idol tour show in S10.
    Never went before, haven’t gone since.
    JMO.

  • LeoCS

    yep. They believed in blog commenters, who are just few hundreds and actually quite the opposite from the real audience. Internet commenters usually like boring singers Candice, Kree and all the guys this season. People in real life isn’t digging that snoozefest.

  • justmefornow

    Lol. A great scream is essential in Hard Rock and Metal.
    So yea, GREAT singers in those genres need both and don’t “confuse” the two.

  • TheOther

    He has proven himself to be a very good live performer. They had no problem rescheduling the shows that he recently had to postpone.

  • http://twitter.com/Falls_Guy Miles (Grumpy) (VI)

    I’m guessing Janelle and probably Angie will raise the tempo a bit and group numbers and duets are not usually ballads. The guys are unknown except for Laz who will be a novelty act. All in all it’s maybe not enough value for some.

    The final two were great singers and lovely people but a real snooze. An omen of sorts.

    The cost of a ticket and venue related costs are the bigger issue I think,,

  • Valarie

    Yep, the raw emotions conveyed in rock music are not always pretty. Therefore, they can’t be c

  • Larc

    There’s no doubt tour concerts that got canceled weren’t selling. But it would defy logic to assume just this early block were experiencing poor sales while all the others are selling well. I won’t be surprised if there are still more cancellations by the time the tour actually starts. Maybe lots of them.

  • TheOther

    Phillip did almost all the AI official promotions by himself. I don’t remember Jessica or Josh or anyone else from the Top 10 with him. They did one group promotion with the media at the start of the tour and a second when they performed at the Nokia theatre.

  • James

    What is funny is that if they would have put through guys who actually even had a chance to make the Top 5, Candice might have won anyway.
    But instead they put through was is likely the worst group of guys ever.

  • James

    I agree, there will be more cancellations.

  • CB40

    I would pay to see Angie do a full set as an opening act for an established artist. No way I’d pay to see her do two or three songs with this group.

  • irockhard

    Freaking thank you! Glad someone gets what that genre is about. Rock is NOT supposed to be “pretty” nor sound “pretty”! Any rock that does is NOT real rock, and any rock singer that sounds “pretty” when they sing is NOT a real rock singer!

  • artemis112

    I went to the Season 9 concert and the crowd seemed to love everybody. People stood up and danced when Big Mike sang. Lee got the most applause and I didn’t see anyone getting up and leaving after Crystal sang. Casey was well received also.
    Idol tickets are expensive-even in Season 9 they averaged $50 in a year when the economy was in terrible shape and a number of stars cancelled their own tours. People willing to pay for tickets for their whole families tend to stay for the whole show.

  • CB40

    Here’s my solution: All alumni judges, and on the tour next year mix the Top 10 with a couple of all stars from past seasons at each stop.

  • irockhard

    LOL, OMG that comment was pure gold!

  • merkureye

    Jessica Sanchez opened the 2nd half of the show? I didn’t know that. Very interesting. I guess that way the Tour avoids the direct comparison/contrast with the winner.

  • Larc

    Somebody in another blog made a suggestion that I think could also work. Send the top 5 on tour plus 1 of of the remaining finalists who would be chosen by voters. Your idea of mixing in 1 or 2 Idols from past seasons sounds good. Keeping the tour down to 7 or 8 people would give more time for each to perform.

  • thirdtime

    I agree – I haven’t given up hope on Idol yet, but this coming season is going to have to be perfect to pull it back up again – likeable judges with a lot of chemistry, and 10 very talented and interesting people for the top 10, not just one or two. I think it helps when the whole top 10 have a lot of chemistry too.

  • merkureye

    Everyone who is on this blog is a fan of somebody: Candice, Kree, Angie, Amber, Janelle, and so on. I’m sure I don’t share the same “great enthusiasm” for your candidate of choice either. Does the fact that I don’t “toe-the-company-line” and cheerlead for certain bloggers preferred contestants, make my opinions inaccurate or unwelcome? I do accept that many do not agree with me on the camera deal. I just don’t agree with it. :)

  • Incipit

    “TPTB came on social media(here) listened to people whining about WGWG’s”

    Oh, the story is even better than that, potatorocks!

    TPTB cast Season 9 with a majority of guitar playing people – ignoring the rule “Start With Musical Diversity” -and it didn’t keep enough of the audience interested. Shock. Surprise.

    They needed a scapegoat for their own stupid casting decisions, and as usual, blamed it on the contestants – they took a meme from the season before that was originated to diminish their show, WGWG, and used it to hide behind while they knocked their own show.

    There are quotes from Nigel about “Hiding behind a guitar”, and from Warwick, we even got the actual acronym. Anything to scuttle away from the responsibility for that cast, and for not reining Simon in. I feel sorry for neither of them – whatever happens – (and I hope they go) – they drank their own Kool Aid. And they gave that tiresome myth currency.

    The kicker is, many of the contestants from Season 9 are doing well, now that they have reset their course from the false start that Idol created, and used it as the platform it really is.

    The point is – this season’s contestants will have to learn to do the same – because TPTB will throw them under any handy bus to avoid the blame for once again casting a season without Musical Diversity.

    JMO. Of Course.

  • LeahKittyS

    Aww, I think these guys are cute. Problem is, they’re cute in the sense that puppies and kittens are cute, not in the sense that girls would have crushes on them. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they scrap the tour from here on out, and truth be told, it makes me lose interest in the show, since one of the links between the show and the audience would be cut off.

  • merkureye

    Separating the boys from the girls at T40 by TPTB did nothing to build chemistry among the contestants. i imagine the girls barely know Curtis and Paul.

  • Liteasy

    No Idol All Stars would go on this tour – they’re making too much money on their own, and Idol would give them no incentive to do a tour again.

  • LeahKittyS

    Not true. Curtis is like a brother to Candice and Paul is good friends with Kree and Janelle. But I agree, the gender separation went on for too long.

  • girlygirl

    yeah, I’ve seen some tweets w/ people saying there are lots of floor seats available at some of the stops that haven’t been cancelled yet. So I wouldn’t be surprised if more dates get dropped. Or, at the least, that they reconfigure the venues to make the capacities smaller.

  • merkureye

    The Tour is designed to keep the enthusiasm up for the actual AI show. When it ceases to serve that purpose (now) it will be terminated by the owners of AI (Core Media?). As of right now, the lack of interest and negative publicity about the cancellations are hurting the AI brand.

  • girlygirl

    The Voice tried to do a tour after Season 1 but it flopped. I think that’s the only time they tried to do one.

  • elliegrll

    The separation was a problem, but not for this reason. During the boys Hollywood week it was like the producers were trying to focus on the fact that there wasn’t a lot of talent among the group, which is not something that is going to lead to people tuning in.

    The troubling thing is that the girls’ week was actually worse, because it was so boring. The producers fell back on their tired trick of showing the girls being catty, but never took the time to let us get to know them, even though they crammed the episodes with a lot of singing. It really showed that AI is not just about the singing, people have to get to know the contestants in order to care about them.

  • iani

    I don’t really think some non US commentators and twitter users have some major influence to the American Idol’s ups and downs, WGWG rage and therefore creating its “ratings and advertisers” issue, the problems are the producers “looking”/searching in the wrong places for the advises, inspirations, what is hot or not on US music scene for getting the judge-panel for example…

  • girlygirl

    They have had tour stops in both L.A. and Ontario pretty much every season. But they haven’t played Staples Center since S8 or S9. They downgraded the L.A. tour stop to the Nokia Theatre — which is less than half the capacity of Staples Center.

  • YeP

    Candice and kree showed no personality or star quality.. At least she’ll release an album, more than Melanie y

  • http://twitter.com/Falls_Guy Miles (Grumpy) (VI)

    Well I hope it’s four songs plus some group numbers because I am paying just to hear her. Candice and Kree will be pleasant additions I’m sure. Hopefully we don’t get cancelled.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    Exactly! Season 6 was the last tour I went to. The reason I didn’t go to the Season 7 tour was because I couldn’t stand only seeing about 15 minutes of David Cook.

  • usedtobelucy

    Entertaining the tv audience doesn’t have much to do with that, however, it seems.

    These are tv shows. Most tv watchers couldn’t care less whether those other shows find any big stars, even if some of us here do. Most like watching the Voice judges bicker and perform and don’t give a crap what happens to the contestants after the show.

    Even for Idol, most watchers don’t ever buy a note of music from the contestants post-show, even if they’ve voted for them, and I’m sure that goes in triplicate for the other contest shows.

    A lot of us want what you mention, but the great machine that is tv wants different things.

  • babyspock

    Last year business as usual resulted in 30% loss in the key demo ratings and 35% in concert revenue. Something had to be done to stop the bleeding.
    The casting was not really the problem – it was the heavy-handed way they went about to get a female winner. The female contestants were much stronger, there was no reason to beat the audience over the head with it. This plus the animosity between Nicki and Mariah created a really negative aura around the show and turned off the audience in drove.

  • elliegrll

    I doubt that most people know about the tour or the cancellations. The tour has been downsizing for years. It used to draw more people, and play in larger venues. It seems that most of the shows last year drew around 4-5,000 people, so even if this year’s cast had been more interesting, I wouldn’t have expected them to do better than that.

    19 has cut don on the production costs over the past few years, and even during season 10 the former contestants were only paid $1000 per show, which is a lot lower that what previous alums received.

  • girlygirl

    I doubt very many people walked out on Lee. I didn’t go to the S9 tour, but from the videos I saw, they all seemed to be very well received.

    There was the same myth going around about how people at the S8 tour were walking out on Kris. There may have been a handful of people who did that at any show, but for the most part, people stayed and he was very well received.

  • elliegrll

    Neither raised the tempo during the season.

    The price tag of the tour is ridiculous, but that’s always been the case.

  • girlygirl

    Considering that there is very little buzz about any of the S12 contestants, I doubt that this unnamed alternate of yours would have made any real difference if they had won.

  • elliegrll

    This would be a better argument if the same outcry had been made when the producers decided to go for gender parity a few years back. Or if was being used to question the lack of viable black male contestants over the past few years.

    It’s not that the casting this year wasn’t bad, it was bad for both the men and women, but 19′s problem with casting a diverse group didn’t start this year. They’ve been pandering to a specific part of the audience for years, and that decision has hurt the show more than anything that they did this season.

  • girlygirl

    Chris Mann is not a mainstream artist. His single was only played on AC radio. Very few AC artists become stars — just a fact of life in today’s music industry.

  • elliegrll

    So, we just ignore the fact that attendance for the tour has been going down each year, and even season 10s success was just a success in comparison to season 9. And we ignore the huge drop in ratings for last season. A drop that was higher than any that AI had ever seen. There was a problem,one that it is probably too late to solve, and it was not addressed this season.

  • elliegrll

    They didn’t have to look at the blogs, all they had to do was look at the ratings. It wasn’t about wgwg, it’s about lack of diversity, and people having the perception that everyone didn’t stand a good chance of winning, no matter how good they were.

    The show has been bleeding younger viewers because of this perception, and it’s also something that has hurt some of those WGWG, because no one at radio will give them a fair chance, if they think that they only won because of their race, and only have the support of people who are unwilling to support those who aren’t white or male.

  • Incipit

    “The reason I didn’t go to the Season 7 tour was because I couldn’t stand only seeing about 15 minutes of David Cook.”

    Precisely. I watched the show, invested in a contestant, bought his iTunes music, voted, but then I waited for his own album and tour.

    The family excursion facet of these tours can get hit by the prices in a down economy, and the demand for shows as souvenirs of the season depend on the popularity of the season…there are many factors affecting ticket sales. I had my own reasons not to go.

    Even with the Idol tour having three shows all around me to chose from that year – I was saving my entertainment budget for the individual concerts, those I went to six of. If I didn’t go to the Idol Tour for David Cook, there is no one I would go for at all.

  • elliegrll

    Season 9 had a black female winner? Season 11 had a white male winner, and the ratings for that season were more than 20% lower than season 10s for total viewers, and more than 30% lower in the demo. So, how does this go along with your theory.

    As Vulture noted, AI shouldn’t go along with the idea that they have to pander to viewers’ bigotry. That is something that has hurt the show. This is the thing that has made the show predictable and boring, and hurt it’s reputation as being a pop culture phenomenon, because the people who you want the show to pander to are not the ones who are deciding what is popular.

  • girlygirl

    None of the people with those “vocal chops” that you mention fit neatly into a mainstream genre. They are all niche artists — none of them are likely to ever be pop artists. Which is fine — not everyone should be a pop artist, or any kind of mainstream artist. But it’s hard for niche artists to get signed, unless you can find a smaller label that believes in your talent. And it’s hard for any artist to get radio play — even in the smaller formats, there is a ton of competition for spins.

    Having a great voice is all fine and good, but in today’s music industry that isn’t a big priority — it’s more of a bonus.

  • girlygirl

    Devin might have the better technical voice (although Scotty never went off pitch that I remember), but as we’ve seen time and time again, the people with the best technical voices don’t (usually) win Idol. Devin put me to sleep with his lack of personality, poor stage presence and old fashioned song choices — I’d go see Scotty, Lee or Phillip in concert over Devin any day of the week — and I’m not really a fan of any of those guys.

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    It’s not surprising, but it is pretty sad. I feel bad for these kids since the tour was a decent paycheck for a summer job.

  • Liteasy

    I hope Candice and Kree do well, but I doubt they’d be the finalists if there were some guys with real talent in the top 10.

  • resunikcufecin

    Amber’s set isn’t gonna be a bunch of Whitney ballads. She already said that she wants to cover “Love On Top,” and there is speculation that one of her other songs is “Losing You” by Solange.

  • No Thanks

    I’m picturing middle-aged white women screaming “Give me WGWG or give me death!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=34307244 Shana Collier

    Hey, that reminds me. I stopped going to the Idol concerts shortly after I graduated college and had a lot less expendable income. I never really made that correlation before, but I had to become much more selective with my money and seeing the likes of Chikezie and Ramiele Malubay just wasn’t it.

  • Anny_nanny

    Do you think that candice fit neatly into a mainstream genre? I want to know name this genre. Candice’s a great singer, but I have strong doubts that FOX, 19Alphabet and Interscope planned to get a winner for very small niche and be happy with it. But my problem is not with Candice (although I understand that AI wanted to get a second Kelly, not Melinda), the rest of the group is small niche or total absence of any niche.
    Yes, I know that country music is a huge genre, but ask Lauren, as many chances of young women make a career in Nashville now? If Kree receive any chance this will also be a niche in a country music. No radio, no platinum albums. I’m not saying that it’s bad for Kree, I say that this is not what AI wanted to get pressing the female-winner this year.

  • resunikcufecin

    I don’t know what show you’ve been watching. The guys have been atrocious since at least Season 9.

  • thirdtime

    It’s a joke about the middle aged women who watch the show, but those women usually got a lot of other people to watch too, like their husbands and kids. At least in my experience, I know a couple of households who turned off Idol this year because the mom didn’t watch and she was the one who put it on in past seasons and got everyone in the house watching, and bought the tickets to the tour for herself and kids. I really think Idol needs to respect their middle aged audience more. Maybe now they will. I don’t think they only want to see WGWGs, but obviously what was on this season didn’t interest them. The bad judges and obvious manipulation of forcing a female winner by throwing all the WGWGs under the bus is what turned people off, I think.

  • curly_yenta

    No ‘middle-aged white women’ I know are screaming that. They’ve stopped watching the show a few years back. The thrill is gone.

  • curly_yenta

    No one worth a dime would do this, since they would be involved with their own lucrative career. Those who would do it are having trouble making a living….. and nobody wants to see them, so how would having them on an Idol tour again help?

  • julesb2183

    I went to that tour, and James truely screamed the song. He was waaay painful to listen to.

  • jan

    Some of those “atrocious” guys have done well commercially – Phillip Phillips, Scotty McCreary. Others like Casey James, Colton Dixon, James Durbin have done okay for themselves in their genre. “Atrocious” is in the eyes of the beholder.

  • bridgette12

    If they hadn’t already set this tour into motion, I would say cancel the whole thing and concentrate on getting ready for next year. I think some fans are forgetting it not just the revenue Idol is getting in the US that they are worrying about, it’s also what they get from countries overseas that they sell their show to. Those numbers have dwindled also in the last few years, they need to retain what they still have and the WGWG phenomenon wasn’t helping the situation.

  • girlygirl

    No, Candice is another niche artist. She seems to fit best into the Urban AC world, with some crossover into the Urban market.

    However, most of the people in the Top 10 are niche artists. Janelle (country), Kree (country) and — depending on the songs she gets — Amber (r&b/pop) are the ones that I’d call the most “mainstream”. Angie might do well as a HAC artist (although you know my thoughts on her being best suited for CCM) But that’s about it.

  • bridgette12

    It’s been said that screaming the song and not having to stay on key is not necessary for metal singers.

  • irockhard

    Yeah and not a single girl from this season will see even half of their success.

  • Incipit

    “…I had to become much more selective with my money…”

    Yes, Indeed, Shana Collier! TPTB and the Labels aren’t the only people who have to be concerned with ROI. *snerk* Many people have had to become more selective.

    The first DC concert cost me $12 for the GA ticket, and in return I got fourteen (14!) songs, and a chance to meet the band after the show. Big difference from five songs at a much higher price on the Tour. That year, I think the good Tour seats were running pretty high. One ticket for Idol vs multiple tickets and multiple songs at individual concerts was a no-brainer.

    If the Show isn’t offering people what they care to see, no surprise the Tour has the same fate as the TV episodes, diminishing viewers. IMO.

  • bridgette12

    Considering that list, it wouldn’t take a whole lot to be deemed successful.

  • irockhard

    Metal is like sado masochism, it’s torture, and it’s supposed to be. But some people find torture pleasurable.

  • irockhard

    Success is market dependent. Each market is different and has it’s own standards by which it measures success.

  • Kirsten

    So, we just ignore the fact that attendance for the tour has been going
    down each year, and even season 10s success was just a success in
    comparison to season 9.

    IDK.
    It’s generally a lot easier to keep an existing customer than get a
    customer to come back. The S9 disaster was an epic disaster (EPIC!!!!).
    Fans who had been going to the tour for years, completely checked out.
    Even when tickets were selling for $10 (TEN!!!!).

    So, that S10
    got people to come back in huge numbers is totally impressive. The
    average number of concert attendees in S10 was 8,589 compared to 9,298
    in S8. Given all the sell-outs (where they left money on the table) in
    S10, that number could probably have gone up.

    If Idol could recover viewers in the way the S10 tour did, there could be a very bright future for the show.

    But, then we look at S11 and maybe S10 was just a glorious anomaly. The average number of attendees per concert in S11 is actually worse than S9. Yikes! Granted, I think that only the best concerts of S9 were reported, but still. That’s a drop of almost 3000 people per venue from S10. If we are seeing another 3000 person drop into S12, those are some pretty empty venues.

    Idol didn’t need two bad years in a row.

  • bridgette12

    Some markets do have low standards of what’s considered successful.

  • RockiDreams

    This season was a flop due to poor judge choices, extreme manipulation, boring contestants, what seemed liked years of stupid audition shows and old, old, old themes full of tedious ballads. I wouldn’t pay $.99 for any of their iTune singles much less pay to see them in some concert. I was a long time AI fan but this season finally broke that big time.

  • taylor

    Well, not so much P’s season. The ratings were already nose diving during season 11 and the concert attendance was basically cut in half from the previous one. Everything was already on a downward slope.

  • MissMyEm

    Wow. Vast difference from years past. Three cities that once brought in a huge audience…Vegas, Oakland and Minneapolis all canceled. Between the AI experience and this…one has to wonder what is on the horizon for this show.

  • Incipit

    The use of descriptive terminology in music is often a give-away to whether people are fans of a genre or not…even genre subsets have their own accepted definitions, and then there are general listeners who don’t use those shades of meaning.

    Metal artists may ‘scream’ – rock artists have a ‘rock wail’ – and they are not the same thing to fans…but other folks don’t necessarily note the difference. It’s cool.

    So – OKFine, julesb2183. I believe you found it painful to listen to. Then I’m sorry you had to listen.

    But no one canceled a whole tour date because of it, so…??

  • jpfan2

    That’s what makes P2′s excellent sales an even bigger accomplishment! Idol has been losing viewers for awhile now but this is the year it seems to have hit a tipping point. .

  • irockhard

    LMFAO, this comment is seriously amusing!

  • Karen C

    I don’t think it’s just the WGWG it’s that there wasn’t one or more contestant that really emerged as a star enough to be a draw at the concerts. It just happens to be the WGWG for a few of the seasons.

  • elliegrll

    In comparison to the previous seasons, the ratings were low for seasons 9-11. Season 10 saw an increase in comparison to season 9, but season 9′s ratings were reaching some record lows. Season 11 saw some numbers that looked similar to the first season, and only 14 million people tuned in to see the final 2 performance show.

    It would seem to me that just like with any show, AI’s ratings this season had a lot to do with what happened in recent seasons, and the same goes for the lower ratings for season 11 being a result of people being less than thrilled with the quality of season 10, even though that cast was very popular.

  • TheOther

    But that didn’t stop the Season 11 tour from making more money than Seasons 3 & 9.

  • irockhard

    You’re on fiyah dude! m/

  • LA944

    I’m sure this is disheartening for the contestants –it’s really too bad. I have read through a lot of the comments and have seen some very valid points. IMO, there are a lot of factors that have led to the decline. Lets face it–even tho P2 has had great success so far–season 11 tour and ratings were down from season 10.
    I believe one of the big problems this season was the bad energy that surrounded the season. A lot of this was caused by TPTB and the judges –not by the contestants. Nobody (except maybe Janelle here and there) seemed to be having any fun. It was all WAY to serious. People tune in to be entertained–and watching it was almost depressing in a weird way. I think there was a lot of shit going on behind the scenes. Very reminiscent of season 9.
    Season 10 bounced back because of the perfect mix of talented contestants and a new set of judges. Even thought JLO and Tyler didn’t really give much constructive criticism–there was a sense of fun and lightness from the panel. It was joyful in many ways. There was rock, jazz, country, pop, R&B, folk & the ballads from Pia. There was some drama and surprise eliminations and comedy and a showmance and it was all very entertaining. I even went to the concert that year and had a great time.
    Season 11–not as fun-but still ok. But, Tyler was now bored with it and JLO was thinking about her next business move.
    I did like this season cause I really loved Candice, Kree & Janelle. Maybe they didn’t have the best tv personalities –but the amazing talent is there. The tour is not coming to my area (the first time ever) so I hadn’t thought about going. But, I probably would have passed–or shown up after intermission LOL I will def see them at their own show. It’s just sad that TPTB & judges screwed everything up for these girls.

  • Karen C

    In fact, the wgwg was propelling both the show and the tour.

    I think it’s interesting that the year that they didn’t feature a WGWG is the first year in recent history that this kind of artist really broke out in the mainstream. Possibly the fans that like this type of music had been watching the show all along, until this year. Now that this type of music is back in the mainstream, and not on Idol, these fans moved on from the show.

  • Anny_nanny

    Say this Colton and Jessica. Even Hollie was able to collect more crowd at home state than the runner-up.

  • taylor

    I don’t understand what you are trying to say, sorry.

  • taylor

    P2 did well, Yay.

    The point is that the ratings for season 11 and the tour suffered. That’s not a victory for those that want to see the show and the tour do well overall.

    What if Kree pulls out of this season and ends up getting a big country hit a couple of years from now? Will that then mean that this season was a success?
    There is more to an Idol season than the success of one person’s good fortune for one album cycle.

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    Please keep the conversation on topic–this year’s tour. Cut the fanwarring, please.

  • irockhard

    Word! If a nice voice is all you have to offer then I’m not interested. I want much much more.

  • taylor

    That’s like beating your 100 year old Grandpa in a foot race. ;)
    The season 11 tour had to scale way back from seasons 7, 8, and even 10. Season 11 was a prediction of what was coming, ratings wise and with general interest in the summer tour.

  • taylor

    There are still plenty of them that do. The demo that watches Idol keeps getting older and more female.

  • jayidrocks

    You only assume, that it is all about the songs. Only because you don´t like his personality, don´t mean other people do also.
    There are a lot people, who like his charm and who find him interesting.
    Many like also his raspy voice. And he connects with his songs and so can the audience ( or at least a big part ) connect with him and his performances.
    But off course it is all about personal taste and is o.k., if you don´t like him and his voice or you find him boring.
    But this gives you not the right to say, why people voted for him, you don´t know them.

  • elliegrll

    The Nielsen ratings don’t back you up.

  • elliegrll

    I think that it shows that what happens on AI doesn’t have to dictate whether or not someone has post show success. Phillip was a popular contestant, but it is possible for someone to be unpopular on the show, but still connect with an audience based on their music.

  • shenanigan

    This whole season has been such a mess, it is hard to even believe. But I do hope they don’t let Nigel go. He has created some great shows in the past and I think he knows what people want. I suspect TPTB were behind the lame casting, and perhaps Interscope? They needed a charismatic male, preferably a bunch of charismatic contestants, male and female, to make this season a success. They didn’t have to be WGWG, Adam wasn’t and he was charismatic. And there have been a lot of charismatic females throughout the years. The ones who should be taking a hike are the ones who chose this particular group. I wish I could see the instructions for the casting.

  • No Thanks

    Nielsen ratings say the opposite.

  • tucker davis

    Well, Carrie obviously learned pretty quickly since she is playing to sold-out arenas now.

  • http://twitter.com/Stooch101 Stooch

    Saying Nigel knows “what people want” is actually the problem. The goal should be casting talent, diversity and personality. Once you accomplish this, than let the people decide what they want and don’t pay attention to the whining fringe.

  • Tommyo2000

    Who”‘s surprised … I bet most of the audience is teen girls with a crush on the WGWG, with parents in tow … Producers decided the only way to not have a WGWG win was to not have a WGWG … this is what they get .. the girls are staying home …

  • Larc

    Casting substandard guy performers in S12 so a girl would win has Nigel’s fingerprints all over it. FOX and Interscope may have gone along with it and even thought it was a good idea, but it’s been my impression that Nigel is usually at the bottom of such hamhanded Idol manipulations that are so transparent nobody fails to see them.

  • taylor

    Most of the audience is women with their families in tow, including their husbands, children and grandchildren. It’s not the girls that are staying home, it’s the mommies that brought these young girls to the concerts that are staying home.

  • shenanigan

    Actually I agree. What I meant was in terms of a well made, entertaining musical show with a dramatic arc. Of course the cheese is sometimes hopelessly overwhelming but I just fastforward through all of that.

  • girlygirl

    The Idol audience has never been mainly teenaged girls.

  • Ria.

    I thought I read recently that about 40% of the audience for Season 12 was black. But that was a post in a comments section, so maybe it is not based on fact.

  • Kat

    If this is true, how come the ratings took a disastrous drive – far steeper than what had been happening in earlier years- once the producers did everything they could to manipulate a “diverse” winner?

    The fact is that this is a commercial enterprise, not a mandate to exact a specific “kind” of winner that would pander to the PC consciences of a minority of viewers. If you view your audience as “bigots” and feel that you need to teach them a lesson, you shouldn’t be surprised if they stop paying attention to your product.

    Mandating “diversity” led to a steep exodus of viewers. That would seem to indicate that manipulating your show to focus on characters your audience has little interest in because you feel they *should* be interested in them has backfired.

    And frankly, I don’t like being called a bigot just because I like WGWG. Modern R & B is not interesting to me, nor is the UAC genre that Candice is likely going to focus on in the near future. Why should I be forced to listen to that type of music to prove I’m a good person? The show force-feeding me that type of music isn’t going to make me change my tastes. If the show’s focus is to *make* the audience like a certain type of music, they shouldn’t be surprised when the audience decides this is not the show for them. They sought a goal that was the direct opposite of what their audience wanted in order to “improve: their audience, and their audience lost interest. This is not the strategy to seek if you want commercial success. AI was more interested in striking the right PC points than in pleasing their audience, and they got what they deserved. But you cannot force that audience to like that type of music, no matter how politically important it seems.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yes, this is just the start I think. Definitely more cancellations/extreme downsizing to come.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I don’t think that it’s possible for fans to know the true nature of the relationships between these contestants in real life.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I think that the price of tickets is way too high for this kind of show. I’m sure that is negatively impacting sales.

  • shell29

    Many of the finalists who made Top 20 or Top 10 this season were returning contestants who auditioned in Season 11 (or previous seasons). Of course there’s Candice, Janelle, Curtis, Aubrey, Amber, Cortez, Nick, Vincent (just off the top of my head). I think they know each other pretty well at this point.

  • Ria.

    AI is a US show, looking for US viewers. If International fans enjoy the show and contestants then that is great. But Nigel &Co shouldn’t tailor the show for those fans. Just like UK XFactor is not tailored for US fans.

  • chillj

    I was probably being a little too cheap, given that a show at the local high school is fifteen dollars. But there is no way I would pay what I know they are charging for this concert. I like the winners, but am not really interested in the show as performance at all.

  • shell29

    Fans aren’t privy to everything obviously, but you can kind of get a sense (IMO) of the bonds that are created just by going through the Idol process (from auditions to live shows, etc). Both Candice and Curtis have mentioned that they’re close friends so I have no reason to doubt them.

  • No Thanks

    Reverse that. It’s horny, cougar mothers dragging their tween/teenage daughters into their annual obsession over the latest cute WGWG.

  • Ria.

    There is zero indication that younger viewers left the audience because white guys kept winning. All the recent white guy winners were among the most young/current in their song choices. Most of them did very well after the show. The average viewer age would naturally increase over the years as loyal viewers aged. The ratings naturally declined as TV ratings declined, and the show aged. The ratings naturally took a hit for season 11 when it was in direct competition with The Voice season 3 as that show was starting to hit its stride. Season 12 took another huge ratings hit because it was not a fun season.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Both Candice and Curtis have mentioned that they’re close friends so I have no reason to doubt them.”

    Still, I have no idea what that means in real life to them. “Close friends” can mean different things to different people.

  • shell29

    Amen. The steady stream of WGWG winners (five in a row) HAS hurt this show. A certain “core” demographic has taken over the viewing audience of this show in recent seasons and that demographic is not interested in diversity and never has been. They seem to think it’s a good thing that “cute” White guys (and only cute White guys) win Idol every season. The heavy handed producer manipulation that has always been there with Idol wasn’t a problem until it weeded out their beloved WGWG. WGWGs aren’t the problem, it’s the fact that they were the only ones that had won for five years in a row that was the problem. The only way a female (or minority) could ever win this show again, the producers had no choice but to heavily stack the deck against WGWGs (because if you let even one into the voting rounds they’d probably win the whole thing). The notion that the ratings will magically recover next season and Idol’s glory days will return if they cast a bunch of cute WGWGs is funny IMO.

  • milwlovesadam

    ITA. To me, the phenomenon is that middle-aged moms of teens are now also on social media, much to the chagrin of their kids. And, we are on blogs and stanning our Idols from the past. Not much room and time to stan new Idols!!

    Not to mention that all the warring of the judges is just too much. Too unpleasant. Too immature.

    Fans want talent. Male or female. Fans do not want wars and manipulation.

    Fans want fair voting too. IMHO.

  • Ria.

    They have been giving us a diverse cast for years and years, with the exception of Season 9. Season 9 ended up with a lot of guitar players and teenagers who should have waited. Lack of diversity and lack of dynamic entertainers was a problem for Season 9 just like it was for season 12.

  • shell29

    This show has never really cared about “striking the right PC points”, especially when you consider that there have been seasons where there were no Black males (or just a token Black male) in the semifinals or finals. Season 11: no Black females in the semis. Where was the “political correctness” then? Current R&B/Pop/Urban artists have been virtually non-existant in the Top 12 of Idol for several seasons. Even if they tried to cast someone like that, the “core” audience would never vote for them. The audience that would vote for that type of artist abandoned this show years ago (and with good reason). So that audience is pretty much gone, Idol producers decide this year (after five seasons of WGWG winners) that a female was winning by any means necessary and that pisses off the folks that only want WGWG. What a mess.

  • AdenEsh

    Maybe the viewers have mistaken AI for Bachelor show!

  • shell29

    I have to agree. This Top 11 (for the most part) did nothing to excite me. I was bored.

  • Mateja Praznik

    The show has been casting the same types of contestants over and over again. WGWGs, black male gospel singers, RnB divas, country singers. It’s so thoroughly type-cast that it’s not even funny anymore.

    Diversity is a relative problem. For example, that famed season 7 had a pretty diverse cast, but it was still boring. Season 9 was awful with too many guitar players. And seasons 10 and 11 each had exactly three decent contestants (Scotty, Lauren, Haley and Jessica, Joshua, DeAndre) and the others were a waste of time. Season 12 at least had 5 great girls in the finals.

    Also, when the same type is winning season after season, the show loses excitement for anyone who doesn’t like that type of a contestant. It sucks when you see a WGWG walk into the audition room and you know it’s game over for that year.

    It has come to a point that it’s hard to get excited about anyone.

  • Ria.

    Which contestant was unpopular on the show and then connected with an audience based on their music?

  • Ria.

    I think the ratings slide came first. If fewer people watch the season then the tour should have a silimar drop in attendance.

  • Kitwana

    Exactly. If American Idol’s audience the past few years was truly dominated by teen/tween girls, Fox would not have changed a single thing about the show. That is a coveted audience. Heck, most of the CW shows justify their tiny audiences because a large proportion of that audience is teen/tween girls. Look at the teen mags and tell me if you see anyone on the cover resembling any of the past five WGWG winners. The million dollar question is why Idol was so hell bent on a female winner to replace a WGWG when they should have been looking for a Bieber/1D/Hunter Hayes type. That type of teen winner would have filled the seats with teen/tween girls and gotten teen magazine covers.

  • H.A.

    I love this post. Fans seem to think the lack of WGWGs for S12 is what put the nail in the coffin when in fact it’s the opposite that it’s true. The predictability of the past 5yrs of WGWG is what put the nail in the coffin. The steady decline in the ratings every season was fans leaving the show because of the same old, same old. We are just seeing the results now. With shows like The Voice there are other choices. The WGWGs fans never left and they are still here whining about their beloved WGWG missing. The 40% increase in AA was a result of a more inclusive season and an AA contestant in the running for the title. This increase in demo from the usual middle age white women is the result of just 1 season. The producers waited a little too late to fix the problem because had they fixed it 3yrs ago the increase in other demos beside the usual suspect would not have left them feeling the need to pander to their middle age white women demo all these years.

  • H.A.

    Exactly. I don’t know any teen having the hots for WGWG types. The closest Idol the teens would have the hots for would have been David A. Remember when he lost ? Those teens came out with their pitchforks.

  • Ria.

    How exactly did the show ‘need’ another superstar like Kelly or Carrie? Superstardom, by definition, is an elusive accomplishment. It is amazing that the show has already created 2.
    The show needs to be entertaining and the audience needs to be enthusiastic about the contestants.

  • Sassycatz

    I am utterly shocked they let David Cook back on the Idol stage each year. He not only inspired the whole WGWG streak but he defeated that potential, adorable, Beiber-like Idol, Mr. David Archuleta! He was literally the downfall of Idol! ;-)

    And these young tweens would agree:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlnBQvlni0k

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Except for the second paragraph, I agree whole heartedly.

    Being able to predict who would win no matter who is in the contest is boring as hell. Even when the cast was diverse, the winner was predictable. Even when they managed to come up with a few new “types” the winner was presictable. The songs are predictably old and the themes were retreads.

    The show has been shedding viewers and concert goers for years. It’s gotten old and in a rut. And god forbid anyone try to shake it out of the rut. That is the worst thing they could ever do! Yes they handled it badly but really? Do y’all think any of those girls would have really won against any halfway likeable “artist” character? Puleeze.

    Convos like this is why part of me is indifferent to the show tanking. Between the TPTB being stupid and a portion of the audience throwing a big ol whiny WGWGS tantrum (really? 5 years wasn’t enough? Y’all can’t last a single year? LOL) I’m just ready for it to go away.

  • jan

    What about Ed Sheeran? He is muched loved by the teen crowd.

    Also, Scottie McCreery was a hit with the very young. My friend’s pre-teen loved him and my friend, though horrified by the thought, brought her to the summer Idol concert to see him. Many screaming pre-teens in the audience.

  • Ria.

    @merkureye, I disagree with everything in your ETA. I have never heard of the winner being held responsible for the success of the tour or the season. The winner is just one of 10-11 people on tour and many other finalists perform as much as the winner. The winner certainly isn’t responsible for the success of the season! The success of the season is based on week-to-week ratings and maybe how many contestants have long-term success. I also don’t know how much the non-winners are held back. Currently both winner and runner up have singles out. That has happened for other seasons too I believe. I can think of other seasons where the runner-up had their lead single and album out before the winner (like season 7) For season 8 in particular, the winner and runner-up were treated like co-winners in many articles about them and the runner-up maybe even got more press plus got the credits song for a major movie that came out that September. For season 10 the top 5 all had EPs out shortly after the show ended. For season 5 Daughtry got plenty of support from TPTB.

  • Valarie

    25% of this season’s tour has already been canceled, and more cancellations are sure to come. Are you going to tell us that it is because of the winners of past seasons?

  • jayidrocks

    I prefer Scottys deep voice or Phillips and Lees raspy voices all day over Devins techniqual good but extremly boring voice.

  • H.A.

    David Cook wasn’t the down fall of Idol. He may have been the original recipe but the streak of WGWG that came after him diluted his brand. He no longer was special. Had there been a different winner the following year things may have been different. There wouldn’t have been a pattern. That’s a cute video.

  • Ria.

    Remember, Season 11 had to compete with The Voice Season 2, which started in February of 2012. Season 12 was losing viewers long before The Voice Season 4 started.

  • Sassycatz

    I was joking, but thanks for reassuring me, my dear. ;-)

  • MissMyEm

    That’s true but years ago the Vegas venues sold out. Personally I think it’s because there are no dynamic performers as their were in seasons past.

  • H.A.

    The tour has been declining every year. Since S8 they have been either cancelling some shows or downsizing.

  • MissMyEm

    Thank you so much for those stats Kirsten. You just verified what I have suspected in some seasons. Biggest surprise for me is that Carrie’s season, the biggest selling venues were home to Bo Bice and Constantine Maroulis. Did they play in Oklahoma that year?

  • jpfan2

    It’s absurd to blame WGWGs for the dire fate of S12. The show started with 17 millions fans which actually was a decent start. The season self destructed all on its own. But if folks want to blame the audience for not finding the show appealing fine.
    Casting five fugly and effeminate guys is NOT how to appeal to a primarily female audience. Complaining about the audience doesn’t work in the entertainment field. It’s a recipe for disaster actually.

  • jpfan2

    S10 made more money than S9 so the tour hasn’t downsized every year as in made less money. But I think S12 tour could put the nail in the coffin. This may be it for Idol tours.

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Have you looked at pictures of the audiences for Scotty’s shows? Many, many teens…actually, every age, but mostly young ladies.

    https://twitter.com/MikeMGarner/status/338832919088988161/photo/1

  • H.A.

    The show started with 17 million viewers which actually was a decent start. Then lost 7 million of them by the time the finale came.

    The season started high because people wanted to check out the new judges. S10 saw the same uptick. Once the novelty of the judges wears off
    viewers move on.

  • jpfan2

    Enough viewers of S10 came back for the finale though. Ratings for the finale that season:

    “American Idol played to an average of 29.3 million total viewers — reaching a peak of 38.6 mil come coronation time — as it brought Season 10 to a close on Wednesday night.”

    S12 of course had a terrible group of judges. That played a huge part in the show’s problems.

  • Kitwana

    I love that video! Pretty sure Idol and Fox would kill some of their past WGWG winners if they could get the same passionate reaction from teen girls next year. I’m only partially joking :)

    Tosh.0 from Comedy Central did a great Web Redemption episode with those girls a few years later.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl0WXFUBTSw

  • H.A.

    All the Idols have their share of teen fans but coming off the show most of the fans are typical older fans. Moreso with the male Idols. Scotty is 2 years removed from the show, he has been out there touring successfully building his career. The further removed from the show the Idol is the more their fan base diversify. Most of the ex-idols have a very diverse fan base.

  • shell29

    I think it’s just as absurd to blame the ratings decline on the lack of WGWGs this season. As far as the five “fugly and effeminate guys” in the Top 10, hey, that’s what “America” voted for. **shrugs**

  • kcostell

    One bit of trivia I always like to bring out — In the last few years there has (as far as I know) been a grand total of one statistical survey (as opposed to a self-selected internet poll) that asked viewers which contestant they preferred.

    In that poll (done before the S10 finals), Scotty was more popular among male viewers than female ones.

    Of course, that didn’t stop people blaming cute girls and/or mothers for his victory.

  • Sassycatz

    This one has the full effect, minus Kimmel. I really love it. ;-) (The mother must have been laughing hysterically.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHoxl8IK7po

  • lurch3

    ^^^

    I feel so bad laughing at their despair. But it’s still funny.

  • dabney_c

    The coveted audience is 18 – 49. That’s not teens and tweens.

  • Incipit

    Heh. No it isn’t, Kitwana. And what do those pollsters consider ‘Middle Aged’, I wonder.

  • PinkClouds20

    I think Jennifer Lopez had a lot of qualities that Paula had, minus the wackiness. I would not mind if she came back to the show.

  • vamp111

    I doubt it was Interscope. They aren’t that dumb.

  • vamp111

    So one season makes you hate the show? Forgive and forget my dear.

  • vamp111

    Middle aged white women are the biggest audience for the show. Its not like you know every white woman lol.

  • vamp111

    They always perform more uptempo songs on tour compared to the show. Look at Thia Megia or Ramiele Malubay or Hollie Cavanagh. They sang mostly ballads on the show but on tour they sang more uptempo current songs.

  • LindaR

    So, the powerful voice of Candice not helping much the tour sales?

  • vamp111

    The WGWG aren’t the reason for the ratings decline or people not watching. Most people don’t care about the whole “WGWG” thing. Most don’t even know what it is. Its just the idol fans on the internet who care-and we are a very small percentage of total viewers.

    For example, a girl won the first season of the X Factor and the ratings for that show dropped sharply the 2nd season. The WGWG are just being used as a scapegoat and it isn’t fair to them. I think the fact that they were white and still won was a coincidence.

  • vamp111

    Most casuals didn’t even notice this so called “trend.” Most people didn’t care that white boys kept winning(and also didn’t notice).

  • vamp111

    I guess its David Cook and Scotty McCreery’s fault that the tour stops are getting cancelled LOL

    /sarcasm.

  • vamp111

    I love how positive you are. One bad seasons tour doesn’t mean the next one will be. Look at Seasons 9 and 10 difference.

  • vamp111

    I blame the ratings drop more on the X Factor since many people saw it as the Fall edition of Idol.

  • Ria.

    One saving grace of S12 is that we now know for CERTAIN that the wgwg winners were not a ratings problem. TPTB can stop listening to any such speculation. In S12 once we knew for certain there was not a single wgwg in the cast, the ratings continued to go down week after week, hitting new series lows several times during the live voting rounds. So the last thing that could be blamed is that viewers were tired of wgwg winners. That experiment is complete, and we know the ratings went down instead of up.

  • vamp111

    Lovesong was definitely a huge moment.

  • PinkClouds20

    The ratings drop had nothing to do with WGWG. Competition from The Voice and judges having no chemistry are the reasons, then top it off with a boring cast and that spells disaster.

  • vamp111

    Season 11 ratings were considered “bad” by many critics and were the lowest since Season 1. It also had the lowest rated finale ever(until this season of course).

  • vamp111

    I wouldn’t blame the quality of Season 10 on Season 11′s ratings. If people were unhappy with Season 10, the ratings would have dropped a lot during the season, instead of the natural drop. I blame the Season 11 ratings on The X Factor. Idol used to be event television, but The X Factor had literally ended not even a month before the Season 11 premiere. A lot didn’t think Idol would be even television anymore since another singing show just ended. Many just saw XF as the Fall edition of Idol. It didn’t help that they had Simon and Paula on the panel together.

  • vamp111

    And the less James has to do with Idol the better for him.

    James will always have the idol stigma attached to him. Just the way it is. Most people know of him as being from American Idol.

  • thirdtime

    Oh man…I never saw this before – it’s so funny! How could they vote for that loser that doesn’t shave! lol

  • FallBackIntoMe

    Management handles booking tours, appearances etc. The label’s A&R team is what decides the singles and what is done as far as promotion for an album. That’s why, for example, Kris has been touring steadily even though he no longer is signed; you don’t need a label to keep touring, just a good manager that gets you bookings.

  • taylor

    The S10 tour beating the S9 tour isn’t saying much.
    That wasn’t exactly a huge accomplishment to start out with.

    By the time S11 rolled around, not only were the ratings in the tank, but the tour was playing to an average of 5,600 people a show. They were blocking off up to 2/3 of arenas that they use to fill or come close to filling.

  • taylor

    Here here! God forbid, the demo actually support five talented artists who are…women! OMG…women supporting women. In the real world of music, this actual happens.

  • Pippygirl

    First we heard about how the audience wasn’t supporting the WGWGs post show (Kris and Lee) because they only voted for them because they were cute and likable. Thus the show was losing credibility and that’s why the ratings were falling.

    Then Scotty came along and his success caused him to not really be considered a WGWG. Then we had P2 who was going to ruin the franchise because he was another WGWG, and it turned out he was the only true success story to come out of his season. However since the ratings were still falling it must be the WGWG’s fault because it was so predictable they would win.
    Now we have what everyone has been waiting for-a female winner. Surprise! the ratings fell even more.
    So THAT must be the WGWG fault because the white, middle aged, horny “frauen” didn’t get what they crave.

    Yes indeed, let’s be supportive to other women and not tear them down.
    At least VFTW was up front about this stuff…..and funny too.

  • taylor

    Yeah, thank goodness for VFTW. It was soooo up front and funny, that it had to shut down, because no one went there. Good riddance.

  • Pippygirl

    I think you missed my point.

  • taylor

    I think you missed mine. ;)

  • vamp111

    You had me until VFTW.

  • Pippygirl

    You chose to address one sentence of my post while ignoring the point I was trying to make. Talking about supporting the female artists on the show while tearing down the female viewers smacks of hypocrisy in my opinion.
    As for VFTW I have no idea why they shut down. I never posted there but at least they were nothing if not consistent.

  • Pippygirl

    Gee I guess I should have left that part out then. ;)

  • mmmtx

    Did you ever consider that people who loved season 10 chose not to watch season 11 or 12 because nothing could duplicate their favorite season…because I have seen that sentiment expressed on twitter quite a lot.

  • irockhard

    No he won’t cause the show isn’t going to last for the entire duration of his career.

    His career has practically just started, by the end of it most will know him for things other than Idol.

  • irockhard

    Oh I’ve seen lots of tweets like that too.

    S10 is my fave season but I did give S11 and S12 a chance but ultimately they couldn’t hold my attention like S10 did so I tuned out. I would not be surprised if this was the case for many other viewers.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Did anyone go to the theater production premiere of Idol? The first thing you saw was the good looking face of Lazaro. They were pushing him and later a young lady who made the TOP 20. At this point I don’t think they knew he really couldn’t sing well. One WGWG may have added some spice to the season, but I am not sure it could save the season.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Those middle-age Moms will be attending with their teen daughters, so they have to get them both interested in the line-up.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I just barely made it through 1/2 of the 500+ posts because it was getting so depressing. I don’t want American Idol to end. I had thought that if Siobhan Magnus and Paris Bennett had been a part of the 5 girls, the season would have been more exciting and unpredictable.

  • vamp111

    Don’t let it get to you, idol isn’t over yet, people have been saying the show is “over” since Season 6. Its still Fox’s number 1 show, plus one bad season doesn’t mean the next one will be. People don’t have the facts to back things up, the ratings are pretty much what other shows get. And the odds are everybody here will still watch next year.

  • suenigma

    ” Talking about supporting the female artists on the show while tearing down the female viewers smacks of hypocrisy in my opinion.”

    Hear, Hear

  • irockhard

    FOX will milk it’s only cash cow until it’s dry, that’s what networks do these days.

    Idol has another 1-3 seasons left but no more, there’s only so many times it can reinvent itself and rebound.

    The show’s old and it’s format is stale and irrelevant.

    Be prepared to say goodbye anytime from the end of next season.

  • Lexie O’Neill

    Okay, I just had to share this pic from Scotty’s audience Friday night (the other pic was from last weekend in Myrtle Beach)…talk about diversifying, two weeks ago (in Windsor), there were nuns, and now at the Temecula Wine Festival…

    https://twitter.com/stormwolf85/status/341032548547321856/photo/1

  • Karen C

    I don’t think it was the downfall of anything, especially since even through last year, the winner did well. Maybe the change that happened had to happen to the show for a while, especially since the David Cook, Scotty, and most recently Phillip did do well. The idea that most of the winners were also songwriters did bring the show to another level, and that is part of the reason they had such originality in their performances. I also don’t think the others were similar enough to David to dilute anything, the only two that were at all similar were Lee and Phillip.

    If they had a WGWG on this year, and they did become popular, even if they didn’t win, maybe the show and tour wouldn’t have lost popularity like it did last year.

  • Anny_nanny

    Ppl who follow S12 on twitter say that the alumni remain at home, rehearsals were not.

  • Karen C

    Curtis replied on twitter about his hometown show being cancelled-

    @CurtisAI12 just being honest. And your hometown show SHOULD NOT have been canceled. That’s just straight up rude” AGREED

    - I’m not a fan of his any only saw this because someone else rt it. That almost doesn’t make sense because hometown concerts do well usually, especially in that part of the country.

  • http://twitter.com/JulesAlveria Jules Alveria

    Most of the male finalists actually earned their spots in the Top 10 – it’s just the show that has been overlooking their talent. People may not care about them because of the whole talk about the girls being strong contenders, but these guys DO have fans who actually look forward to the tour just to see them. I personally want to go to the tour for Paul Jolley (believe me, his Troopers are a loyal bunch), even if they cut down his solo to just one song. Hopefully they won’t have to cross off more dates, though I won’t be surprised if they will.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Thank you for your response vamp111. It made me feel a little better. I have watched every show since July, 2002. I also felt bad that two of my favorite shows got cancelled. (Smash and Touch.) Here’s hoping for a better season!

  • mchcat

    That’s true – more and more Scotty is being billed as a country music star first and winner of AI down in the story.

  • mchcat

    Season 10 was my favorite too – I watched last year but got bored early on by 11 screamers and Phil. I began to watch for Phil and then tuned out the rest.. If he was last then I had to watch (or sorta watch the whole show). This year I gave up after Janelle was voted off.

  • nncw

    Just watched Michael Slezak interviewing Candice and I really hope she doesn’t end up being collateral damage to the recent problems with the show. I thought she was just lovely, funny and authentic. She is so talented and now I see how hard she worked on the show. It is interesting she mentions all the glitches with the band which were very noticeable each week – not sure what that is about but if someone works so hard to make a performance perfect and then the band messes up it seems a shame.

  • Valarie

    We are in total agreement on seasons 11 & 12. P2 was for me, the only compelling contestant in his season. I have trouble even recalling the rest of the cast. I feel the same way about Janelle in season 12.
    Liking just one contestant in a season, is not enough to get me to buy tour tickets. Season 10 was a success, because it had several compelling entertainers.

  • elliegrll

    I don’t think that that’s true at all. The winners bein WGWG wasn’t the problem, the perception that only WGWG could win, that the show was pandering to only one demo, and catering to that groups prejudices and biases was.

    Also, while this season managed to alienate viewers, I think it would be wrong to say that the initial ratings drops for this season and last had nothing to do with people believing that it didn’t matter how well a woman or contestant who isn’t white did, since a core part of the audience would never vote for them.

  • YankeeFan08

    The teens I know don’t watch Idol at all so I would agree that it’s not the teens “having the hots for WGWG types”. I know it’s subjective, but I don’t think any of the WGWGs are good looking … very average in the looks department IMO.

  • girlygirl

    “how could they vote for that loser who doesn’t shave!” lollll

  • girlygirl

    All the male Idols have their fair share of tween and teen fans. I see tweets all the time complaining about how they can’t go to Idol xyz’s show because the venue is 21+

    From what I’ve seen, all the WGWG winners also have a fair amount of male fans.

  • girlygirl

    Nigel is one of TPTB. He’s as much to blame for this mess of a season as anyone. I don’t think he knows what people want — he seems perfectly happy to keep making the contestants sing 40-year-old songs and to pimp contestants who have little chance of becoming stars in the music industry.

  • merkureye

    I feel your pain about the possibility of AI ending but, . . . Siobhan Magnus would have helped?

  • sdmama

    In retrospect, I think Paul was the person I was interested in hearing more from. He was cut too early unfortunately. I hope he will find his niche.

  • Ria.

    My point is that S12 was orchestrated so there was no possibility of a wgwg winner. So even if some individuals had become bored because they felt the winners had become predictable, TPTB made sure that was not an issue for S12. Yet the ratings continued to drop from week to week to week. So clearly the issue was not that the winners were predictable to some viewers.

  • Incipit

    Paul on the Idol Tour could prove to be very different from Idol Paul – who was saying he wanted to be one sort of singer, and then singing another sort of song. But if he does want to do country, good luck to him. It’s not a genre I follow.

  • Ria.

    @Mateja I agree that the producers type-cast the contestants! This is probably the number one issue with this show. It is also the primary reason white guys often win. The ‘type-cast’ for white guys allows for a variety of genres and styles. For some demos, like black males, a contestant would need to play to the producers (and show gospel influence) early on, then switch things up when they got to the live shows. Almost every year there are bussed females that could have gone much further and all I can think is they fell outside of personality guidelines that the producers are looking for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000720903509 Jayne Reed

    I remember the Season 5 tour had to add dates to the tour to accommodate all the fans that wanted to attend. Of course Season 5 had something for every taste.

  • taylor

    Why? I didn’t care for either of those two girls or their voices. I prefer Candice’s voice, her song selections and her interpretations over Paris Bennett’s any day of the week. Siobhan was always a little awkward. I much prefer the voices and personalities of Kree, Angie, Amber and Janelle. Those two girls wouldn’t have added anything to the mix of talented women we already have this year.

  • NatSasic

    I guess if you want to be a statistician about it, this season fared “worse” than season 9. All I meant was that I think (and I don’t mean by personal preference, but what I think is a fairly objective statement) that S12′s top 5 are just better. The low sales and ratings are a symptom of an aging franchise rather than performance quality.

  • Wfish88

    Love Keifer and everything, but TOUCH was such a boring show- I LOVED the first couple episodes, but then the plot lines started to go nowhere and the boy (especially toward end of first season) was getting annoying by running off…

  • Ria.

    The S11 coronation song is 4x platinum. The S11 runner-up, who was heavily pushed by the judges, is having trouble making a dent with any of her own music including a duet with a huge name in the industry. The S11 3rd place finisher who is probably the most pimped contestant ever with something like 14 standing ovations, is still working to put out any of his own music. I wouldn’t blame the 4x platinum selling winner for the drop in concert sales from the previous year.

  • Anny_nanny

    Drop in rankings started in Season 6. It’s not just slid down, it fell from the start of the season by the beginning of the live-show. Or I miss something, or Jordin is our first WGWG.

  • Liteasy

    Paul was the only person in the top 10 that I was remotely interested in, and they did everything they could to get rid of him early. Once he was voted off, I wasn’t really interested in any of the others and didn’t care who actually won.

  • taylor

    None of this has anything to do with how well the S11 tour did or didn’t do. The point was that the tour didn’t do so great the year before this one either.

    With ratings continuing to decline, it would make sense for 19E to look at smaller venues, lower ticket prices and look into other ways to market the summer tour.

  • crazicoolgirl

    I couldn’t agree with you more. Once Paul was sent home, I did not watch the rest of the show until the finale to see Paul perform and I honestly could care less who won. It was tragic the way they treated Paul. They should be ashamed of themselves. Paul did nothing to deserve the hate and ridicule that he got on the show. They just had it planned out that it was gonna be a girl’s season and they made sure that nothing got in the way of that happening. In my opinion the credibility of this show has been lost forever.

  • tigervixxxen

    Yeah, that’s to the credit of the musicians that they can mitigate some of the horrid arranging. And it gets worse and worse each season.

  • tigervixxxen

    Nigel doesn’t let the contestants arrange or choose their own song most of the time, why isn’t it completely obvious he is casting the show? If Nigel doesn’t go the same show will keep recycling back again. The manipulation, the stunt casting, the scripted judging, the terrible song selection and arrangements of piano by the waterfall ilk.

  • vamp111

    How is the format stale? IMO it has the best format out of the other shows. I like that its not a competition between the judges or “coaches” but just between the contestants. The Voice will be gone around the same time as idol IMO.

  • vamp111

    I’m sure whenever Idol ends, it will be around the time the Voice ends also. That show isn’t getting amazing ratings either.

  • SilverStrumer

    Yeah. The fact that this year’s Top 10 Idol cast were SO bad compared to previous years. All 5 of the guys weren’t that good and the producers did it so that a girl could win..lol

  • vamp111

    Its not the cast of this season that was bad, it was the way the show was run. All 5 girls were very talented. There were other seasons that had less talent than this one.

  • Raymarc Badillo

    True. It was indeed the Idol producers’ responsibility to come up with a “white guys with guitar” triumph idea, and to fix the show letting the girls win the whole thing. That’s not how to put the show on top its ratings, but to place it down below the sea level, which could possibly be a danger for it to be canceled. On Paul Jolley’s case, he did nothing to accept the hatred, ridicule, and prejudice from the judges and of course, the audience. I don’t deserve for him to let the judges down. They should be ashamed of themselves, and be better to leave the show for GOOD.

  • Raymarc Badillo

    Couldn’t agree with you more. All five guys deserve to win in its purest sense. The problem would be the entire show, mainly because they just want to get rid of them and let the girls be strong contenders for the title, or to escape the WGWG trend. Based on my viewpoint, Season 12 does not consider a worst season, but the credibility of the show has been lost drastically. Other seasons have less talent than this one.

  • irockhard

    The very concept of Idol – talented unknowns performing covers of different genres every week – isn’t relevant to today’s music industry.

    Hence why there is a huge disconnect between the show and the music buying public, which is why Idols struggle to sell an get airplay post-show.

    Brian Mansfield explained it well recently:

    But there’s a problem: The American Idol universe is an insular one, a system that exists independently of the rest of the music scene. It’s a world where a 20-year-old song gets heralded as fresh; where popular trends like hip-hop and EDM, not driven by singers, essentially don’t exist; where women can sing ballads week after week after week before being released into a world that dances to a different beat. It’s a world that purports to value hyperbolic singing over all else, including contemporary relevance, production value, material selection and — as we saw when producers placed Mariah Carey and Nicki Minaj at the same table — chemistry.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/idolchatter/2013/05/24/american-idol-alums-as-judges-bad-idea/2359287/

    If Idol wants to become a force in the music biz again then they need to completely retool the show to accurately reflect the current music industry. However this will mean it won’t be the same show it once was but, you know, times change. Also there are so many problems mere months isn’t enough time to rectify them all. The show will need to go on hiatus for a year in order to do so but FOX won’t let that happen as they can’t survive a year without their only cash cow.

    This is why Idol can never be what it once was.

  • mcaro05

    first time I haven’t gone to idol tour since season 6, then. detroit was cancelled. I was on the fence about going anyways. I really only care about kree and candice.

  • Sarah

    I think that one of the biggest issues with the tour this year is the new packaging. They have the VIP packages, Diamond packages, etc. They’re blocking off most of the good seating and saving it for the people who are willing to pay $250 a ticket for a M&G or a goody bag. I’ve been to the Idol tour six times, and I’ve never been more than 20 rows away from the stage. I had eighth row seats last year that I paid $55 or $60 for. I’ve also never paid more than $70/ticket. That’s my reasoning for not going, and I’m sure that many other people are in similar situations. Whoever is in charge of the tour is going to end up saving these seats for people who want to spend $$ when people would just rather pay $65 without the tote bag and poster. They should have M&G options available separately from the seats instead of making the seats available not worth our money.

    I’m very disappointed they canceled the Trenton show. It’s a nice venue, and fairly small. I went to a concert there last week, and even in the 200s, I had a great view of the show! I would’ve considered getting mediocre seats there.

  • Marsha Hollingsworth

    Lazaro has a lot of talent. Curtis is talented as well.

  • Marsha Hollingsworth

    American Idol needs to Videotape one of the concerts and either have a pay per view or a DVD of the concert.

  • CRB

    19E should just run a bus around the parking lot of the Idoldome to give the contestants the feel of a road trip and call it a day. Weak ratings produce horrible roadshow attendance…perhaps someone should have done the math earlier on.

  • spycig

    ok got my season mixed up… first season I went to was David Cook and the only one I haven’t been to so far is Lee’s season and I won’t be going this season…

  • spycig

    same here

  • stellabystarlite

    What’s with the extraneous comma? “Do with Angie what they did with Colton” is correct.