American Idol Judges: Nicki Minaj, Keith Urban, Enrique Iglesias Top of the List

We couldn’t get through a Friday afternoon without more American Idol judges’ rumors, could we? The latest goss comes from The Hollywood reporter.

It looks like  Idol brass really wants to sign on R&B/Hip Hop artist,  Nicki Minaj for the panel, but her mega sponsorship deal with Pepsi is causing a roadblock. As most of you know, Coke is a major American Idol sponsor.

If FOX and Freemantle had their way, the panel would consist of previously announced judge Mariah Carey, Nicki Minaj, a country star (the leading candidate is Keith Urban, says an insider) and a Latin artist (Enrique Iglesias is reportedly the #1 choice).

But it’s not all smooth sailing inside Idol. There’s been some inside indecision and squabbling that has Mike Darnell (FOX cheif) and Cecile Frot-Coutaz (Freemantle) shutting Core Media boss, Marc Graboff, out of the decision making process. CORE media is the newly christened (formerly CKx) owners of American Idol.

And what of our poor beleaguered  Randy Jackson?  He may step pinto a mentoring role–perhaps taking Jimmy Iovine’s place (NOOOOOOOO). At any rate, the DAWG will be sticking around to at least hold Mariah Carey’s hand as she embarks on her new gig.

HOORAY KEITH URBAN. Please make this happen.  Nicki Minaj comes off as pretty weird, and I have to wonder if the producers are hoping for some sparks with Mimi. If Nicki, Mariah, Keith and Enrique are the configuration they’re looking at, it could be pretty strange.  I mean that in a good way.

I think Idol WILL go with 4 judges, like the other shows. There will be plenty of time for judges chatter–like the other shows, Idol will also stay at a bloated 2 hours on Wednesday nights.

When Idol was at the apex of its popularity in season 5, performance episodes were 1 hour and results 30 minutes. Fox used the time slot after Idol to launch new shows. House, 24, Glee and more can thank Idol for sending them off on successful runs.

  • Anonymous

    Uhm, I thought they were cutting the budget? These choices combined seems like it would dramatically increase the budget compared to last year, lol. Get ready for song lists that only consist of 5 songs, four of which will probably be Adele. They gotta find the money somewhere. ;P

    Yay at no Randy Jackson!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QPQ3BY4QAQ2WBIG3EP4JBX2LHY SamC

    seriously nicki minaj i cant even. What does she even know about music where she can being judging other artists. seriously that would suck having her a judge suck suck suck

  • http://twitter.com/HaleysMelodies ??????

    Huzzah, more rumors… who could’ve guessed.
    Wouldn’t bet a dime on Nicki. She’s at the top of her heap, no career to rejuvenate. I would LIKE to see Keith… but I just don’t think it will be him in the country spot. *Speculating from my own noggin* I think that spot will go to someone not as HUGE… more like Bret Michaels or the more obvious choice, Brad Paisley.
    Glad to not see the name “Jonas” anywhere in this article.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not believing any of these names. It reminds me of the last go round where all these names kept getting mentioned and JLo and Tyler who were rumored early got it. Trying to keep the hype going imo.

    Besides, no way their budget could afford that. Lineup.

  • Anonymous

    Four judges – NO.  Nicki minaj – NO!!

  • Anonymous

    I’ve seen her judging other shows like Top Model. She’s actually pretty brutal and pulls no punches. She says exactly what she’s thinking. It’s pretty refreshing, actually.
     
    Although If Minaj is a judge, I guess we can count out a Lil’ Kim cameo. :X

  • Anonymous

    OMG YAY NICKI MINAJ FTW!

    Anyways, I love all these choices. :)

  • Anonymous

    Keith Urban gets my vote, he’s hot and was awesome on TV Australia. I dunno about Enrique but at least he’s eye candy. Nicki Minaj next to Mariah could be very interesting.

  • Guest

    I’d like to “like” your comment 50 times… just no to Minaj… please

  • Anonymous

    Wait! isn’t Enrique JLO’s touring partner? She said she was leaving because she needed to tour and now her tour partner takes her seat on the judging panel? Hilarious!

  • windmills

    Thumbs up to Keith. He’s not as hilarious as Brad but he’s also really talented, a really good singer, he’s gorgeous, he’s smart, and he’s a longtime Idol fan. Probably bigger star power than Brad. And, this fits Keith’s schedule better. Keith has already said he won’t be touring until later next year. He’s working on a new album now and I’m sure he won’t mind the album promo.

    I don’t know enough about Nicki Minaj’s or Enrique’s personalities. Nicki’s probably a sharp gal, maybe Enrique’s a deceptively smart guy? Because he sure isn’t a great singer. 

    I think is probably a panel that brings in good ratings out of the box. No idea though about chemistry though.

    As far as Randy taking over Jimmy’s mentor role, I actually think that could put him in a place (the producer’s chair, helping the contestants prepare performances) that better suits him, where he can actually be intelligent and helpful. But, the show could still use Jimmy’s snarky day-after truthtelling, because I don’t know who on that panel would actually criticize.

  • Anonymous

    Keith Urban: Yes (but I prefer Brad Paisley)

    Nick Minaj: Maybe (I hate her music, but I could see Nick bringing some teen viewers – and I think that’s the goal of this whole “new judges” thing. I just hope she doesn’t pimp herself the way Jlo did because it’s gonna be hard to endure her music).

    Enrique Iglesias: No (He was terrible as a guest judge on X Factor, I couldn’t even tell if he was paying attention to the performance or not… he’s hot, tho).

  • Anonymous

    Please no Nicki Minaj!! But, then again maybe she could sing one of her
    classic songs called *Stupid Hoe*. Yes, she is a class act!!!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think any of these people will be judges. I think the decision has already been made. Anyway I say no to all of them. Enrique boring, Nicki weird and Keith boring 2.0.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Nicki and Mimi have worked together before.

    http://youtu.be/5i7GEMQC2IY

    So they’ll probably get along.  Although I don’t know which is bigger, Mariah’s ego or Nicki’s ass.  :op

    I like Nicki but I think that whole Pepsi deal might be insurmountable.  If I were Coca Cola, I wouldn’t be having it either.

    I appreciate that Idol is trying to bring back some demographics that they drove away the past 5 years with WGWG domination.

    I’m sure Idol has their preferences but it sounds like they can’t agree with the Fox execs and THAT’s why shit is delayed.  No one can agree.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I was on Wikipedia earlier and The Voice Australia was renewed for season 2. No info when it’s supposed to air or about the judges. 

  • Anonymous

    IIRC Nicki actually offered to judge live on stage when she performed on S11, the recap thread is here somewhere but I’m too lazy to dig it up.

  • Stavros

    LOTS of thoughts:
    1. Nicki Minaj won’t happen. She just ended a tour (I think) but she’s still going to be too busy. Also if they stick with 3 people, they won’t let another girl slip in there.  The Pepsi is kind of a problem too.

    2. KEITH URBAN YES. Freaking yes. Please. Gotta give Idol some respect if he’s a choice.

    3. Enrique did XFUSA with Nicole in mentoring and he seemed to really connect with her over 30′s, and he had some pretty insightful comments (we didn’t get to see that much).  I didn’t even think about him but he can be a good choice. He would also attract a similar fanbase to JLo’s, but isn’t he on tour with JLo right now…?  Not sure that will work out.  He’s a better choice than Nick Jonas.

    4. I hope Randy stays because he is one of few ties to the first Idol.  I think his chances of remaining on the panel are slim at this point, however.  A mentoring job would work for him, or maybe some position where he can take some contestants under his wing after the season ends (like Brooke White).  But he shouldn’t be in Jimmy’s position.  Nobody does Jimmy like Jimmy.

  • Anonymous

    These new names would leave no room for Nick Jonas. How will Mariah feel about other more current music superstars in the panel with her?

  • Anonymous

    Nicki Minaj would actually be a good choice. She is at the top of her career right now, and people are complaining idol isn’t bringing in current judges, so there you go. She isn’t great live, but neither is Britney Spears.

    Keith is a great choice. I would love either him or Brad Paisley on the panel. That must have been the “other country star” they were talking to.

    I don’t really know a lot about Enrique, but he can be eyecandy for the ladies.

    Much better choices than Nick Jonas or Adam Lambert.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    You’d think Keith working for “the enemy” (even in another country) would be a deal breaker as well.

    But amongst all these rumor’s this is what I’m getting.

    1) They want hip-hop representation (Nicki Minaj, Pharrel, Diddy rumors)
    2) Country representation (Brad Paisley, Keith Urban, that Red Solo cup dude)
    3) They want someone “young and hip” (Nick Jonas, Adam, Miley Cyrus)
    4) Mariah fills the diva requirement.

    This is the first I’m hearing of them trying to fill a Latin spot.  But that goes with them trying to achieve diversity memo.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     Doesn’t Nicki have a UK/Europe tour coming up soon?

  • Anonymous

    Stupid Hoe. The song was called Stupid Hoe. :’D

    To be fair, she had to put Lil’ Kim in her place. :P

  • Anonymous

    I’m actually OK with that panel. I think Nicki could bring the lulz and some color to the panel–the way that Stephen Tyler was supposed to. Only, Nicki is a current artist at the top of her game.

    I have no clue how Enrique will do. I barely remember him from X Factor. 

    I’m keeping my fingers crossed for Keith Urban, because ngl, he’s hot (shallow) and a fantastic musician. He’s a country artist that also has cross over appeal, so it’s all good.

  • Larc

    I think it would be funny if it turns out all the Idol judges have already been contracted and these new names that keep cropping up are nothing more than red herrings.  Maybe that would keep people from falling for it if Idol/FOX ever tries something like this again?  Nah, it wouldn’t!  ;)

  • Anonymous

    No rock stars? BOO!

  • http://twitter.com/lifebetween Sophie Gonzales

    PLEASE let it be Keith Urban!

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     Rock star will fall under “young and hip” – if they can find one (hey, like ADAM!).

  • supersonic

    Keith Urban?  Yes!  Yes!  Yes!  Yes!  Yes!  That would be appointment television.

  • Anonymous

    Nikki Minaj? NO, just No.

  • Anonymous

    Actually what I had in mind is someone who fronts a current mainstream rock band.

  • Anonymous

    You know who would make a great “Rocker Judge”? Mike Patton!
    He could fill the “brutally honest” and the rocker role.
    Here’s a video of him saying what he thinks about “wolfmother”, lol worthy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXKo4z7GS78

  • Listening

    Umm all the names look possible except for Nicki Minaj she is just too
    hot right now. Britney is still popular but her album had been out for a
    while. Nicki is still working her current album.

    I mean i’d love to see her judge b/c I think she’s talented, out
    there and possesses an urban flavor but I really think her name is being
    tossed around simply as a wish list.

  • tucker davis

    “HOORAY KEITH URBAN. Please make this happen.”

    Agree 100%!!!

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    I’d be down with a Nicki Minaj, Mariah, Keith/Brad and Adam Lambert panel (I have no strong feelings about Enrique.  He seems pretty but boring).

  • Anonymous

    Go watch Elaine Gibb’s judges house performance. Enrique just does this blank stare when he’s listening to others sing, but in this performance he made a face like he forgot he left an appliance running at home.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODm0s3-c4d4

    I hope we get more epic Enrique reactions like that on Idol. :D

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     Like who?  I’d imagine any rocker who claims to have “cred” wouldn’t touch Idol with a ten foot pole.

  • Anonymous

    Nikki Minaj is really smart.  I used to think that her public persona wasn’t just an act, but she’s made some shrewd business decisions, and several times when I’ve heard her speak, she’s shown that she’s more than just a cartoon.  The only question is whether or not the producers at AI can accept that she’s a three dimensional person, who can think for and express herself.

    I hope that they can get everything worked out with Coca-Cola, because Nikki would make an interesting addition.

  • Carly Greene

    Keith Urban please. He would be the best choice. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYFK77IYLRQIVATQ2MJKSW2J7Y Pam

    I present to you my hopes for season 12.

    1.  No Randy on the panel
    2.  A big fat NO to Nicki Minaj on the panel.
    3.  Please do not make Randy the new Jimmy
    4.  Keith Urban yes PLEASE!

  • Anonymous

    I’m thinking, pity Idol didn’t nab Billy Joe Armstrong.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    Like who?  I’d imagine any rocker who claims to have “cred” wouldn’t touch Idol with a ten foot pole.

    Steven Tyler has no cred?

  • http://www.jstamers.com/ Jordan Seltzer

    Is there a reason why they all have to be performers? Cant there be an A&R guy or a Producer or something?? Having all performers is a problem because they always have to protect their image.

  • too-cool-for-school

    Bah, only three judges, Idol! Pleease.

    Anything Nicki Minaj is involved in will immediately kill any interest that I have. She is a joke, IMO. And for an Idol judge, are they serious? Can she sing even one note? J-Lo had more business judging singing talent than she does.

    A rap/pop artist judging would not work with this show unless they intend on allowing more modern styles to be performed on Idol like XF and The Voice do. Even if they did make that change, they could find a better choice than her.

    Keith Urban I’m not really big on but I like him more than the Brad Paisley option. Enrique isn’t super exciting but I will take him over Nicki.

  • http://twitter.com/doesmonaknow DoesMonaKnow

    No more of Jimmy’s commentary that *ahem* just so happens to fall in line with how the voting went? But maybe Randy will be more comfortable in that position, since he’ll have the results before having to speak and that can shape his commentary beyond yo and dawg and we got a hot one tonight! 

    X Factor has two men and two women as judges so I don’t see that as a problem though maybe Mariah might. TPTB will also probably have to pay Nicki Minaj than they would Mariah since Nicki has a much hotter career at the moment and they can be cheap at times…I guess they will cut back with the music. Motown Night Number 29049348934 here we come!  

    I think the panel will end up with at least one “bargain” option (Nick Jonas or Adam maybe) when it’s all said and done. BTW, what happened to Pharrell? I thought he was telling his friends it was a done deal?

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    The Coke/Pepsi issue with Nikki is huge. Nikki is the new face of Pepsi. I seem to recall that a season or two before Mariah appeared on Idol to mentor, she had wanted a mentoring gig on the show. She could not do it because Pepsi was sponsoring her concert tour and she was appearing in Pepsi commercials.  Far too much conflict of interest.  As for Enrique, he’s cute and would attract young female viewers.  But, I remember him being fairly flat and useless on XFactor last season. It seemed to me they just sort of propped him up next to Nicole to be female eye candy.  

    On the other hand, Keith Urban? I’m in.

  • Anonymous

    I think she’d be fine with it, since that will bring more attention to the show, and she will benefit from that.  The whole thing about her okaying superstars is unsubstantiated.  Mariah just made two rappers the stars of her debut single, which was stupid, but I think that she could see the benefit of surrounding herself with current artists on the panel.  If the other judges are people whose careers are over then that makes the show look dated, and like they aren’t trying to appeal to younger viewers.

    cooks said:  Please no Nicki Minaj!! But, then again maybe she could sing one of her classic songs called *Dirty Hoe*. Yes, she is a class act!!! 

    I think that the uber contagious and quadruple Platinum selling Super Bass would be more of a hit than Stupid Hoe.

  • Anonymous

    Well when we have heard the names of every possible performer being “on the top of their list” then we will finally know who they’ve probably already picked weeks ago.

  • Anonymous

     I agree. That’s why I was rooting for Diddy/Pharrell.
    A Keith, Mariah, Nick M and Diddy/Pharrell panel could be nice.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    lol Yet more candidates for judges that we haven’t heard of before? The only one that perks my interest of the ones named here is Keith Urban. I think that he’d be good judge, and I would enjoy him performing on the show much more than Steven Tyler and JLo.

    ETA: “But, the show could still use Jimmy’s snarky day-after truthtelling, because I don’t know who on that panel would actually criticize.”

    I agree. I hope that Jimmy stays.

  • Anonymous

    ”BTW, what happened to Pharrell? I thought he was telling his friends it was a done deal?”

    Alanis was hinting that she’s in talk for a judging seat too.

  • Anonymous

    Ugh…you know what? After seeing endless singing shows with recording artists as judges, I’m realizing I really don’t care to see a bunch of pretty people giving watered down “That was beautiful” vanilla critiques.  I would be so much more interested in industry people that know their stuff and aren’t worried about selling records or what people think.

  • http://twitter.com/doesmonaknow DoesMonaKnow

    Alanis was hinting that she’s in talk for a judging seat too.

    Either TPTB cast a very wide net, the media just makes up new names to throw into their “in talks to be an Idol judge” stories every few days, or a lot of celebrities are using the judge vacancies to get publicity for themselves. Of course all of these options could be true at the same time!

  • Anonymous

    You’d think Keith working for “the enemy” (even in another country) would be a deal breaker as well.

    I think it would only be a deal breaker for Keith Urban, even though he’s a big fan of AI.  He had to take a lot of time off to do The Voice, and since his career is still going strong, why would he turn around and take more time off so that he can work on AI.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Well, Nicki Minaj has some huge assets, so at least there would be something to look at. Watch “Starships” and “Pound The Alarm” music videos for reference.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Ummm….well we all saw how his fellow band mates reacted to him taking the job at first.  So I stand by my statement.

    ETA: And I think any younger, more current rocker would get it 100 times worse than Steven did.

  • Anonymous

    Is there a reason why they all have to be performers? Cant there be an A&R guy or a Producer or something?? Having all performers is a problem because they always have to protect their image.

    I think that this is where Fox’s wishes are coming into play.  The panel would probably be more diverse, and not just a dias full of popular people, but Fox is thinking about ratings, and isn’t going to focus on anything except their personalities.

    In a way that makes sense, because while someone like Pharrell is actually currently working in A&R, that doesn’t matter a lot in the context of the show.  It’s more important that you have someone like Nikki, who can bring in a more diverse audience, and maybe make a difference when it comes to who is voting.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Enrique sure looked like his mind was elsewhere on that clip. lol

  • pj

    Bring on the hotness that is Keith Urban!!!!  Maybe everyone will drool over him instead of the next WGWG!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    The result of so many rumors? I’m totally uninterested right now. Bring anything, a blow up doll to the judge’s table and start the show

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Her Super Bass video has over 270,000,000 views. Her Stupid Hoe video only has a little over 60,600,000 views. lol

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Well, if they hire Nicki, Pharrel or Diddy, I DEMAND a Hip Hop theme week!!  You can go all the way back to the 80s for song choices.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    ” It’s more important that you have someone like Nikki, who can bring in a
    more diverse audience, and maybe make a difference when it comes to who
    is voting.

    I think that may be a major consideration in casting the judges panel.

  • Stavros

    Quick recap of the past few weeks:
    Randy Jackson
    Mariah Carey
    Nick Jonas
    Jimmy Iovine
    Keith Urban
    Brad Paisley
    Pharell
    Nicki Minaj
    Enrique Iglesias
    Alanis Morisette
    Diddy
    Miley Cyrus
    Adam Lambert
    Any past Idol alum for a weekly mentoring position
    So clearly speculation can, in no way, be accurate with all these names being thrown in the mix.

    I think they should bring in McKayla Maroney.  She’s hard to impress ;) and she’s connected to Phillip Phillips with the whole Home gymnastics series.  LOL kidding

  • http://twitter.com/doesmonaknow DoesMonaKnow

    Hip Hop Week? Then just crown WGWG6 when he does a “unique” acoustic guitar cover version of a rap song.

  • Anonymous

    I think my favorite Configuration still has Mariah, Pharell, and a country guy

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Is it me?  Are these singing shows setting up judges to create “drama” so that there’s water cooler talk the next day — “did you hear what Nikki said to Mariah”? that sort of talk, and less about the contestants?

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Ha!  I actually liked Kris’s “Heartless”.  It was the one and only time I found him original (and even then it turns out he was just copying someone else).  Anyhoo, it made for a great moment.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     Yes, I’m living for the day Nicki calls a contestant a “Stupid Hoe”.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I would be so much more interested in industry people that know their
    stuff and aren’t worried about selling records or what people think.”

    I agree. Clearly, Idol and FOX don’t give a crap what viewers like us think.  lol

  • Anonymous

    Keith Urban is the best choice for the country judge. I hope he does it and I like him better than Brad P. I think Nicki and Enrique would be good choices too.

  • Anonymous

    Please Please Idol…..Put Keith Urban on my TeeVee every week! With that guaranteed eye candy, they can put the focus back on talent in the contestants. Yes please…..

  • http://twitter.com/doesmonaknow DoesMonaKnow

    I liked Heartless too (to me it’s not a rap song, just a rapper singing with autotune which is a slightly different thing) but I have had my fill of the whole guitar phenomenon on Idol. Time for something else to shine!

  • Anonymous

    Stand corrected. Thing is I know what the song title is..don’t know why I wrote the word *dirty*. LOL !

  • Anonymous

    Lol, maybe that was the clean version or something. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     I agree someone else needs to shines.  But I hardly believe that a Hip Hop theme week would be responsible for crowning another WGWG.  It doesn’t matter what a WGWG sings, they’ll always have the edge with the current Idol audience configuration.

    Now if they can bring in a newer more diverse audience and avoid putting the typical Idol bait WGWG in the voting rounds (or if there is one, make him from the big city, atheist, ugly and a puppy kicker), others might have a shot.

  • http://twitter.com/svmreiter Susan Reiter

    Oh, brother.  A bunch of new names.  This is really getting to be a scattergun approach.  No Jonas is good.  I’m not wild about Mariah.  Nicki Minaj would make the responsibilities seem like a big joke.  Betting there will be three new names circulating tomorrow. . . . country – blah; Randy – don’t let the door hit you . . .

  • Anonymous

    Whenever  a girl thinks outside of the box, she doesn’t get the same praise. Hopefully these new judges change that. I don’t think Idol can survive a 6th male Idol winner in a row, to be honest.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    And when one who does have cred like Steven does become a judge, they are totally useless. lol

  • lilly924

    Idol becoming all about the judges like the other shows, imagine that. Kinda like Adam Levine’s recent comment about it not being important to find a star on the show. I understand wanting to diversify the panel, bring in younger viewers and expand beyond heavily midwest and southern demographics. But you don’t want to totally drive away that core audience either. From reading that article, I think 19E sees that possibly being a problem, but Fox may not be considering that. Sounds like the delays could very well be due to there being major disagreement behind the scenes between the TPTB on who they want. At any rate, Nick Jonas could very well be out of the picture, especially if Fox noticed that Joe Jonas’ show premiered to horrendous ratings last night, thus making the point that the Jonas Bros. are not a ratings draw.

  • Anonymous

    Actually…I really want a producer on the panel. Ditch Enrique and get a straight-shooting producer/label exec on the panel.

  • judes

    Sorry to burst your bubble about Keith Urban but as I’ve said before he is doing shows in Australia from January 25 -February 4th  
    http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/show.aspx?sh=KEITHURB13&v=SSD#.UC7SSN3iZ8M

    This is starting off a world tour. These dates are after AI usually starts .Keith said he would love to do another season of The Voice here but doesn’t know if he can commit to it. If he can’t commit to this then it doesn’t seem he would be able to commit to AI either because of his touring. [He said it depends if he has finished his album which he is now working on] 

    I’ll take all these names they are floating with a grain of salt. Just get on & work out who you are going to have Idol- I’m over all the speculation.

  • http://twitter.com/MarieAru23 Marie

    Yep. If they put no marginally cute WGWG strummers in the voting rounds, you wouldn’t have to worry about them voting on them. 

    I have a feeling that even if they’re somewhat ugly, Idol audience voters would somehow make them out to be cute, and vote for them anyway. 

  • windmills

    Sorry to burst your bubble about Keith Urban but as I’ve said before he is doing shows in Australia from January 25 -February 4th  
    http://premier.ticketek.com.au

    AI doesn’t go live until later, like  the 3rd week of February.

    judes: This is starting off a world tour. These dates are after AI usually starts .Keith said he would love to do another season of The Voice here but doesn’t know if he can commit to it. If he can’t commit to this then it doesn’t seem he would be able to commit to AI either because of his touring. [He said it depends if he has finished his album which he is now working on]  

    I read that article too but that was a while ago and Keith has changed his tune since then about when he’s going to start touring. Here’s a more recent interview published August 3rd where Keith says he won’t tour until later in the year:

     I am putting a tour on next year, but it won’t be early in the year, so there is somewhat of a need for an album sooner than later. But I just would like for the album to be right.

    Whether that means Keith is going to do The Voice Australia, that he’s putting off touring so he can do AI, or neither of the above remains to be seen.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yay! There’s still hope for Keith! lol

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    If Nicki Minaj just signed an endorsement deal with Pepsi, there is no way in hell she is doing Idol. And I’ll bet the Pepsi contract is worth a lot!

  • judes

    Windmills AI has always started towards the end of January here[last week in January this year] .They may be willing to make it later to accommodate for the right person but as you say it all depends on Keith’s album how it goes. 
    As I said I’ll believe when someone signs on the dotted line-until then its just sites creating more web traffic by speculating names.

  • Anonymous

    While I’d love to see a Latin singer succeed on the show, I don’t think it’s gonna happen.  Latin music has never done well on Idol, except when Marc Anthony sang (that was hot).  The Latin music theme week was dreadful.  The few Latin singers have either hidden that talent (Allison) or gotten cut first chance (Jorge and Karen).  

    If JLo couldn’t make it happen, it’s not happening in the next year either.  So, getting a Latin judge to represent is going to be a waste of time right now.  

    If Idol is determined to have a country judge (and they probably should at this point), then Keith Urban is as good a choice as anyone else.

    I know very little about Nicki Minaj.  I’ve seen her perform a few times, and I’m sure she’s as smart as anyone else.  I can’t imagine her not pulling focus away from the contestants.  Just the thought of her on the panel every week makes me tired.  But I could be wrong.  Lady Gaga is an effective mentor and a good judge in small doses.  So, why shouldn’t Nicki Minaj be as well?

  • tucker davis

    “Having all performers is a problem because they always have to protect their image.”

    AND PERFORM!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    judes, Live rounds started Feb. 28th last season. Usually they are around the end of Feb or first of March. Every thing before that is prerecorded from Sept. to January

  • Anonymous

    Nikki? Oh lord…Jessica Sanchez almost got booted for singing a stunning Stuttering, yet idol can hire Nikki Ninaj certainly they are going for a totally different audience! I don’t get her but she has a rabid following and nothing to lose. Enrique? Eye candy, eh. I don’t like either choice. Scratching my head…..

  • beck1982

    Both Brett Michaels and Brad Paisley are huge too. Brett not as much anymore but Brad most definitely. But I def agree with u that it’ll be Brad over Keith. Isn’t Keith already on the Voice Australia or something to do with the Voice?

  • Goodie2

    IF YOU WANT LATINO, GO FOR RICKY MARTIN…YOU GET A TWOFER — LATIN AND GAY!!!(esp with idols past gay probs)..not a fan of minaj & cant imagine mariah would wanna be upstaged….Too bad GloriaEstefan made the mistake of signing with CW..shes actually very funny but shed definitely be the nice judge…Still wish theyd go after Cher..Her & mari would be mustseetv

  • http://twitter.com/doesmonaknow DoesMonaKnow

    Now if they can bring in a newer more diverse audience and avoid putting
    the typical Idol bait WGWG in the voting rounds (or if there is one,
    make him from the big city, atheist, ugly and a puppy kicker), others
    might have a shot.

    I don’t see TPTB skipping this type completely (when they let Phillip play his guitar in his audition I knew the season was over right there) because so many fans of Idol obviously seem to go for it and they don’t want to lose those viewers.

    But TPTB will need to make sure next year’s WGWG is from LA or NYC specifically (entertainment capitals, very jaded fanbases) and is a hot guy who knows he’s hot (shades of Ace or Stefano), and get him to audition half dressed so people will think he is making it on his looks and won’t take him seriously. I say go extremely hot instead of ugly, because IMO some very average to unattractive guys have been turned into “hunks” as they’re magnified by the Idol stage. While the pretty boys who seem to radiate that “yeah, I’m hot” attitude turn off as many people as they turn on and don’t do as well.

  • Goodie2

    Xf premieres in less than a month..r we ever gonna get a hist? tge rumored names have all been awful choices

  • Karen C

    I have a feeling that even if they’re somewhat ugly, Idol audience voters would somehow make them out to be cute, and vote for them anyway

    Or they will vote because they like their music, which is what usually happens.

  • Anonymous

    IIRC Nicki actually offered to judge live on stage when she performed on S11, the recap thread is here somewhere but I’m too lazy to dig it up.

    She did, and as I recall, Jennifer Lopez was not amused.  She said something like, “There isn’t room for both our asses behind this desk.”

  • Anonymous

     Ricky would be awesome, much better choice than Enrique.

  • Anonymous

    The live shows don’t start in January.  Taped episodes usually consist of three weeks of the audition episodes and two to three weeks of Hollywood week.

    Taping of the shows usually starts in September or October, and Hollywood week is usually taped in December.

  • Karen C

    I think Keith Urban would be terrific, he does know rock and country. And he’s been on the show before and seemed supportive to Idols both during the show and after, especially when he had Kris Allen open for him after they performed in the S8 finale together.

    I can’t see Nicki Manaj as a judge at all, since she’s mainly a rapper, and has a wild image, not sure what she would add to the show. If they were going to add someone from Hip Hop and rap, I would rather they had someone like P Diddy who had some experience as a record exec. I stiil would rather they had at least one judge with this kind of experience.

    It seems like the mix of judges is to possibly cover  the major subgenres of radio – rock/country, hip hop, R&B.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I think that Ricky would be a great choice! lol

  • http://twitter.com/doesmonaknow DoesMonaKnow

    I don’t think there’s an inherent problem with a rapper being a judge. I mean, they don’t sing, but they can still tell when someone else is on key or not or has charisma or doesn’t, right?

  • everything

    I think all these people are well qualified.  As long as it’s not a former contestant.  And I mean any former contestant. 

  • Karen C

    But they don’t allow rap on the show, at least they haven’t so far, so why have a rapper as a judge.

  • Anonymous

    To many people at Fox, the current core audience isn’t going to make them a lot of money.  They would gladly give up some of their 50+ aged viewers to gain younger ones.  Nikki has shown that she can appeal to a racially diverse younger audience, and the show needs more viewers who are open to artists like her.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see how the two things have anything to do with one another.  Just because she’s a rapper that doesn’t mean that she’s not knowledgeable about music, or doesn’t have the personality to be an entertaining judge.

  • Anonymous

    I am resigned to the fact that I am going to dislike all the judges this coming season. I don’t watch for the judges, but I always liked liking the judges. I like the original three the most. This actually just makes me kind of sad. 

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     She’s also a singer.  Not on Mariah level but certainly as good as JLo.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I agree. Now that the median age for the Idol audience is 50+, that means that half of the viewers are outside of the 18-49 demographic desired by advertisers.

  • Karen C

    That’s not saying much….

  • Karen C

    I don’t think Nicki Minaj is popular except for the younger end of that demographic, though. And I know that’s what they are trying to get.  

    I also wonder about the demographic being 50+,  because I know a lot of adults younger than that do watch. It seems like when I go to the Idol tour shows, most of the audience is younger than that, and there are a lot of teenagers also.   

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     I’m just saying she’s also a singer and she sings on some of her biggest hits.

  • Anonymous

    They had better be careful that they don’t drive away those godawful 50+aged viewers, only to find out that the racially diverse younger audience just isn’t interested.

  • mchcat

    It still is not going to matter unless they get a good cast. 

  • Incipit

    I mean, they don’t sing, but they can still tell when someone else is on key or not or has charisma or doesn’t, right?

    Mercy, DoesMonaKnow, that better not be the criteria. Beyond the fact that a great many people can’t detect sharps and flats instead of the note as written – there hasn’t been a judging panel yet that could, or would, do that reliably. Most of the time they are going by what they heard on the rehearsal tapes – Idol sound system being what it is – and the rest of the time they invent off key notes or ignore them, depending on the agenda of TPTB. 

    The voters decide on the relative charisma factor, after TPTB get through with the edits to show people the way they want to, and the judges just follow instructions..to reinforce the edits. Any judge from any genre is at the same disadvantage.

    If Idol wants a rapper to switch out the veteran audience they turn off and exchange it for this hypothetical new audience, good luck to them.

    I get the feeling they would expect that to happen ‘without’, you know, actually allowing Rap music, or changing the Theme weeks substantially, or adding to the ‘allowed’ cleared song lists with anything usable that would pass the censors, or augmenting Bandzilla with musicians who understand it – all that takes money. And so much Spin Control! After all, they like to think they are a ‘Singing Competition’! Heh.

    But a Rapper judge is just for Good TV, if it ever even happens.

    IMO. Of Course.

  • http://twitter.com/Miztig Miz

    Big yes on Keith Urban. Enormous NO on Nicki Minaj. I’m fine with Enrique.

  • http://twitter.com/MarieAru23 Marie

    Some do, most don’t, I don’t think. Or they somehow let their supposed “cuteness” make the music sound better. 

  • Karen C

    If Idol wants a rapper to switch out the veteran audience they turn off and exchange it for this hypothetical new audience, good luck to them.

    In order to bring in new viewers, I think its still going to have to be a contestant that is so spectacular they bring in a different audience. I don’t think this will just be because of a judge.

  • Anonymous

    I have wonder about this demographic figure myself after seeing the swarm of screaming tween/teen girls at the Idol tour concert last year. I would say that it was 49% older women, 49% teenage girls, with the remaining 2% being the splattering of older men (most of whom appeared to be merely accompanying the girls/women). 

    I also attended another event this summer that featured an Idol and there too was a swarm of teenage girls. 

    I also believe these over-enthralled teenagers are the ones holding the voting power in the WGWG era.

  • http://twitter.com/MarieAru23 Marie

    Actually, I think it has to be both. Good contestants, and good judges. If one of those are really bad, or even just average, people will tune out. 

  • Anonymous

    Maybe Nicki will put through some rappers. And I know for a fact that there have been some rappers who made it to Hollywood. India Morrison and Becca Boom for example.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. I appreciated Reid’s input the most the times I did watch XFactor last year (haven’t this year) and Jimmy provided the most constructive and insightful commentary on Idol the last 2 seasons.

  • Anonymous

    Most people could care less about who wins or that a female hasn’t won in ages. Most people move on after the confetti is swept. The casual viewers especially don’t care and just move on to the next season. If you were to ask a typical viewer to list all the winners in chronological order, they wouldn’t be able to.

  • Karen C

    That’s exactly how the audience looked to me also.  And the teenage girls were screaming for the winners when I went, especially Scotty.

    I’ve also been to non idol concerts that would be considered the same genre as the WGWG and there was a similar audience.

    I also believe these over-enthralled teenagers are the ones holding the voting power in the WGWG era.

    I’ve thought for awhile that part of the reason this type is popular on the show is because it represents a type of music that isn’t currently in pop, but is more popular than the record labels realize.  If it is true that teenage girls have the voting power, part of it is also that they are liking a form of music that isn’t currently pop.

    If this is all true, and they go in a different direction, they very well could alienate their fans that they have.

    And I also think if they stick with the type of artist they have, they can better differentiate themselves from the X Factor.

  • Anonymous

    The vast majority of viewers move on after the season, but I do think that viewers will notice, and tune out, if they think that not everyone has a chance to win, or if the pool of contestants is not diverse.  That doesn’t just apply to racial diversity, various musical styles also have to be represented in order for the show to draw a diverse and younger audience.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1225325169 Ethan Law

    I think we’ve heard rumours now for about 10+ potential judges. I don’t really want to believe or listen to any more. The panel needs to be revealed NOW! 

    However, I will say a BIG no to Nick Jonas & Enrique Iglesias…

  • Anonymous

    That’s a shame that having a rapper on the panel would automatically turn off some viewers.  Frankly, given the instant dislike that some people have had for a few of the contestants over the years, and the instantaneous pass that is given to anyone who is a white male, I’m willing to say adios to those viewers, who feel that a rapper is beneath them.

    Pippygirl said: They had better be careful that they don’t drive away those godawful 50+aged viewers, only to find out that the racially diverse younger audience just isn’t interested.

    They’d be in trouble either way. The 50+ viewers pad the total viewer numbers, but they don’t bring in any money, so there’s no benefit to continuing to pander to them. While if the show continues like it did last year, it’s going to see another massive drop in the 18-49 year old demo.

  • Anonymous

    Most viewers aren’t even thinking about who will win until top 5 or so. At the beginning of the season they are mostly focused on who had a chance to make the top 24, then they pay attention to who gets eliminated every week. Most don’t start thinking about the winner until way later.

  • http://twitter.com/BamadansPad Danny Latham

    Hmm, isn’t Keith Urban on The Voice Australia? I thought Enrique was on JLo’s world tour. The only thing that will stop Nicki Minaj from being a judge is her contract with Pepsi. So, as much as this sounds like a good panel, it may be something to create more buzz, now that Nick Jonas may be out of the picture. 

  • Anonymous

    Nicki Minaj’s songs have been on Kidz Bop CDs and I think she was on the Kids Choice Awards. I really don’t think the average WGWG loving crowd has heard much from her besides Starships and her other pop hits and wouldn’t see her as a big turnoff. Chances are, she’s not going to break out into “Stupid Hoe” while delivering a performance critique.  She’s certainly more relevant to popular music in 2012 than Mariah Carey.

    Enrique is pretty. That’s all I’ve got on him. I think I heard him sing once and it wasn’t good, but I’m sure he has a basic understanding of what singing is supposed to sound like.

  • Incipit

     I’m willing to say adios to those viewers, who feel that a rapper is beneath them.

    Ah, but that’s not what my hypothetical veterans are saying, elliegrll. They are saying that they don’t find rap at all relevant to singing, and if the show allows the cast to do it, then a rapper isn’t singing, on the, you know – ‘Singing Competition’. 

    But, as I posted, it would take more than a judge to change up the audience – it would take the changes in the cleared list, lots of bribes for the censors, additions to the band, changes to the theme weeks, and some kind of spin to explain why rappers don’t have to sing on the Singing Competition. Like XFUS did – say that you focus on the XFactor, not the singing. If Idol wants to be like XFUS.

    Which, what do I know? Maybe they do, in a stealth sort of way. Which is why I wished them Good Luck. Because I don’t see Idol doing all that. Hypothetically.

    But it’s not as if I’m going to actually watch the show in Real Time – so this is academic to me. It didn’t even take a rapper, in any position, to chase me away. Heh. 

  • Anonymous

    It’s not just about who wins, viewers need to feel like everyone has a chance.  That’s one of the reasons why AI’s audience used to be so diverse, because people felt like they could relate to at least one or more of the contestants.  There was a time where the cast didn’t make it seem like they had a racial quota, which pretty much made it the one of the only shows on the air that looked that way.  People aren’t going to continue tuning in, if they think that the show is weighed more in favor of certain contestants.  There’s no reason to get invested in the contestants if that is the case.

  • Anonymous

    Not a show for comedians either, but Ellen was paid to judge.

  • Anonymous

    http://youtu.be/N7m_lFwiqpw  why Adam Lambert qualifies to be judge..  awesome, awesome, awesome.  My hubby has seen the Orginal Queen in concert many times and even has said if they come to the US, he wants to go.. Adam kills it…   Just a testament to the great voice he has and what he can do..  A lesson to all AI hopefuls..  one of many he has done..

  • Anonymous

    Nikki has also done a lot with the two little girls from Ellen Degenres’ show, who dress up like princesses, and sing Super Bass.   Her interactions with those girls shows that she knows how to tailor herself to her audience.  

    Given that so many Hot AC stations are starting to play hip hop, and that some of Nikki’s songs have been big pop hits, I think that she does have fans throughout the 18 to 49 year old range that AI wants to attract.

  • Anonymous

    I had no idea who Nicki Minaj is, so I went and watched one of her videos…. Explicit yet.  She will not be a judge. 

  • Karen C

    Not a show for comedians either, but Ellen was paid to judge

    And that really worked out well……

  • Anonymous

    If I had to sit through 5 white guys winning in a row white people can sit through Nicki being a judge.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    I would want the CURRENT artist to be the Country guy!  Both Brad and Keith would be good choices.  A while back I asked about having another Latino judge. Enrique Iglesias would be fine, but even somneone not as well known could work if he is attractive.

    Too bad FOX can’t find a 30 minute show to follow 90 minutes of American Idol!

    NO to 4 judges!  NO to Nicki!  Yes, to Randy becoming a mentor.  Yes, to Jimmy giving next day analysis.  Some where I’d still like Guest Mentors, but I don’t see that happening.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    If I had to sit through 5 white guys winning in a row white people can sit through Nicki being a judge.

    MileyFan, I don’t really understand this.  Maybe you could explain it to me?  I’d much rather sit through an entire season of Queen Latifa, but I understand she has a talk show coming up.

    It was at least 6 weeks ago I suggested Ricky Martin. He just seems like he could be honest and helpful. I would just like Adam to get further along in his career, but definitely MENTOR on the show!

  • sdmama

    I wonder if rap music fans would watch American Idol. If a pop and rock singer from American Idol is not taken seriously, I think a rap musician will have a bigger problem. Nicki maybe a lot of fun to watch, but thinking about American Idol pushing for rap makes me feel dizzy.   
      

  • Anonymous

    My daughter is a huge rap fan and she watches American Idol. The funny thing is her favorites tend to have pretty big voices (David Cook, she adores Kris for his originality, but Allison was her favorite, Siobhan and Jessica). I think she would like to see some rappers on the show, and she might actually listen to their original music once the show is over.

  • Anonymous

    When it comes to Nicki, I can’t believe Mariah would let anyone upstage her cleavage. And does anyone remember Nicki’s ill-fated Grammy performance? She certainly didn’t judge her own performance well at all!

  • rodolfochengcanepa

    Aparently it doesnt matter who can be the judge, so they should hire joan rivers, maybe with all her vulgar jokes she could rise the ratings, that´s what people´s like it, right??

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Incipit, this is a powerful post with ideas I agree with; however, should a Rapper judge be chosen – it has to be someone the viewing audeince would just love.  I have already mentioned one person who has rapped but is so much more.  Queen Latifa.   She has a good personality andcan sing.  I just can’t think of any Rappers that would blow me over.  Now maybe this Pharrell may be someone older folks will like?  I don’t know since I don’t know him.

  • Anonymous

    Whether it worked or not, I’m just responding to the post about not having a rapper on the panel beause Idol didnt alow rapping.

  • Incipit

    maybe this Pharrell… I don’t know since I don’t know him.

    I don’t know him either, he probably doesn’t do a genre of music I listen to. However, I do know Queen Latifah, because of her singing, and I agree, since we are talking hypotheticals, she has as much chance as any performer to be a really interesting judge.
    They all have the same disadvantage in that regard, TPTB, the 11 year old structure of the show, themes and cleared songs, and for the performer/judges, their own level of concern not to alienate the public. I would rather see two industry people with recent experience than three more performers – it’s like they are trying to out-XFUS XFUS. (which is NOT all performers on the judge’s panel.)

    But those industry people may not be entertaining – may be just good judges. I get the dilemma, it’s a TV show – it has to entertain. If a rapper made a good judge, and entertained as well, then fine. But why chose a rapper, out of all the possibilities, unless there will be rapping by the contestants? And that’s the problem, for me.

    Because the bottom line for rapping on a Reality show about a Singing Contest is, it is not singing. It’s a whole different category of entertainment, it has to be judged differently than singing, and why would there be only one judge qualified to do that? 

    Better FOX makes a new show – they’re popping up like mushrooms – try So You Think You Can Rap…and then try to get the winner any radio play. Once again – Good Luck with that. (Sarcasm)

    i just think it would be a wrong turn for Idol…but they will do whatever they figure will make the most ad money – what I think is immaterial to that.

  • http://twitter.com/ploonsh yes

    I don’t even care all that much about this orchestrated judge panel drama, but Nicki Minaj is an absolutely ridiculous choice. I was happy to get rid of J.Lo because I want the show to be more about the contestants and their singing and less about the judges’ wardrobe and ego and so on… Nicki Minaj is just a clown to me, sorry.

     

  • Karen C

    I have already mentioned one person who has rapped but is so much more. Queen Latifa.  She has a good personality andcan sing.

    I agree, she would be wonderful as a judge, and she has enough experience, also.  She is knowlegable in a lot of forms of music. She has done older music and was able to modernize it a bit and still stay current also, which is what the idols should be able to if they have themes with older music.

    If they did allow contestants to rap, they should have to sing, also, it is still a singing competition.  

    To me, Nicki Minaj is too OTT to be a judge on the show, but there would be the other two or three to balance her out . If they pick her and she does end up being a good judge, that’s wonderful for the show.  But if they are picking her or any of the others just to try to get a younger audience that likes a different genre, I don’t think that’s going to help the show at all, because it shouldn’t be about the judges, it should be  about the contestants, and finding the ones that are going to be stars. 

  • Karen C

    i just think it would be a wrong turn for Idol…but they will do whatever they figure will make the most ad money – what I think is immaterial to that.

    Oh, is that the goal now?  I thought it was to discover new talent…..and have them be the stars…..

    The reason having rappers works on the X factor is that they are more of a performance show, than a singing competition.

    If Idol were to do this I agree it would be a wrong turn, the other problem is that it will become too much like the X Factor.

  • luvadamlambert

    my panel from hell

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    Yesssssssssssssssss (fist pump for Keith Urban) – make this rumor true

    Yesssssssssssssssss for Enrique Iglesias – I don’t care for him as a singer, but I see what he could bring to the table

    Toss Up on Minaj – Not a fan of her Barbie on steroids personae, but she is a fierce rapper, could entice some in her base to watch the show.

    They’ve got some interesting things going on it seems in front and behind the scenes… Loving every minute of it, and hoping we have an announcement soon!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I3NQHPT3NA6VGKK22RCMTGOCII Tiffany

    Since we are wishing for the moon and a rapper that can sing, how about Will Smith?  I know, too expensive, sigh.

  • Incipit

    Oh, is that the goal now?  I thought it was to discover new talent…..and have them be the stars…..

    Bwahahaha! Good one, Karen C – no you didn’t. That’s a 2nd tier intention…

    Yeah, ‘Commercial Television” is commercial. With lots of ‘commercials’. Heh. Excuse the pun.

    I hope TPTB pick a good cast of Hamsters this year, and set them loose on the wheel that makes everything go ’round with good material to work with. Or the judges they choose won’t matter at all.

    IMO. Of Course.

  • Mateja Praznik

     Idol is a singing competition? Wouldn’t know it, considering current champion can hardly sing.

    Nicki Minaj seems a great idea. Mariah, Keith and Enrique not so much.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I3NQHPT3NA6VGKK22RCMTGOCII Tiffany

    Its a shame they havent figured out those god awful 50+ have the money to spend and if they are like me, support the Idols by buying their music.  Apparently, the ones Idol and the sponsors want, don’t so much.

  • Max

    Why would Keith Urban go on AI when he’s got a good thing going on with The Voice Down Under (Ratings smash)?..Whether you like it or not AI fanatics, he’s more likely to take on the Blake role for the 4th installment on NBC ;)

  • http://twitter.com/LindsayKempFan Not fit to print

    All the tossing around of judges has depressed me no end.  Idol seems to be focussed on emulating two shows that aren’t doing as well as they are, instead of behaving like the industry leader that they still are.

    Idol’s biggest strength is that, however big the judges became in the later seasons, we still had all the say (okay they have one save per season). Yes, Simon was very influential but we could turn him upside down if we wished (and we enjoyed doing it.)

    On early seasons of Idol, the contestants were BIG; they loomed large from the word go and were “stars” that grew bigger by the week. Even if my fave was gone, the others had become intriguing or annoying enough for me to watch it play out to the bitter end. if I wasn’t watching to see someone win, I was watching to see someone lose.

    On X Factor and The Voice, the judges matter too much; the contestants are SMALL. They aren’t the stars of the show. They are building blocks in Team Simon  or Team Xtina. The judges are playing chess with them. I just don’t care enough  about them.

    This quest for an all-star judging panel that covers all the demographics is the beginning of the end imho.

  • Incipit

     Those god awful 50+ have the money to spend and if they are like me, support the Idols by buying their music.  Apparently, the ones Idol and the sponsors want, don’t so much.

     

    Oh, they know – they don’t necessarily care more then they do about their precious ad demographic.  Not to the point where it eclipses ad revenue, anyway.

    The Public buying iTunes and concert tour tickets and IA Compilation CD’s is nice – but the numbers are a drop in the bucket compared to what they can charge for ads – and when people don’t – say Season 9 – they just cut the Hamster’s pay. 

    Buying debut albums, music downloads and concert tickets for individual artists, that’s a benefit to the Label – and yes, the artist – Idol itself doesn’t directly profit from it. They just get some bragging rights, when they want to use them, for leverage or a guest spot, or whatever. The show is schizo – that’s why it’s such a balancing act - a circus ruled by committee.

    IMO. Of Course.

  • http://twitter.com/LindsayKempFan Not fit to print

    BTW, It is very interesting that the show’s corporate owner is rumoured to have been cut out of the decision-making on judges. Communications issues and differing perspectives do not make for success. And what happens if the shows ratings drop, which they will anyway? Will the investor be interested in staying?

    In terms of judges, I wonder who the investor wants and who the network wants.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

    “i just think it would be a wrong turn for Idol…but they will do
    whatever they figure will make the most ad money – what I think is
    immaterial to that.”
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    This IMO pretty much sums TPTB thinking in a nutshell.  IMO American Idol has NEVER really been about ‘finding a superstar’ or about being a PURE singing competition. Thank Goodness and luck that in the early years there was a Kelly and a Carrie and a Clay and Ruben to establish a good name for themselves and the show.  They were just (and have been) very, very effective (genius really) in their marketing and hype and ability to get viewers emotionally invested in the show and its contestants. This is what IMO separates them from the pack of imitator shows out there. The manipulations and other BS we can readily see and acknowledge now were able to stay hidden for as long as they did because they were THE unassailable powerhouse ratings wise, they were the only game in town,etc. People were and still are very emotionally invested in the show, and in some of the alum who are still trying to make music their career.

    Idol has always been about making the dough, catering to advertisers and chasing after viewership in that prime 18-49 yr old demographic… they sold everyone so well on this “finding a superstar”, “finding the best singer” hype and schtick that 11 years later, it’s the one thing some still cling too when the winds of change begin to blow, or time, as it always does, reveals the truth of the matter – Idol is about making good TV, about getting good ratings, making tons of money from the advertising the show generates – finding and promoting good singers?, the best singers?, giving a darn about them after their season, or really caring what their present demo has to think about the direction they plan on taking the show in?  

    Not so much.

  • http://twitter.com/LindsayKempFan Not fit to print

    That was true for me as well, in the only Idol concert I attended. Also, if Adam Lambert concerts are any guide (and I’ve been to several in small towns) there are masses of young families. Having a judging panel that fits several demographics might be an attempt to keep these young families coming. Someone for the kids (Nick Jonas, Ricky Minaj, Miley Cyrus), someone for the Mom (Mariah) and someone for the Dad (Brad Paisley, Keith Urban.)

    I don’t fit into any of these demographics so I INSIST that “any of the above” be entertaining, articulate and insightful.

  • Mateja Praznik

     Well, it’s not like CHR radio stations are thrilled when older fans show up at Idol radio appearances. Older fanbase might have the money and can provide short term success. But long term? It’s probably more of a curse.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     *Pokes lip out*

    You messing with my fantasy, lololol…

    It would be nice if they could snag Urban… not going to get too worked up about him or any other of the potential judges – I just wish they’d announce the panel already.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Idol is about making good TV, about getting good ratings, making tons
    of money from the advertising the show generates – finding and
    promoting good singers?, the best singers?, giving a darn about them
    after their season, or really caring what their present demo has to
    think about the direction they plan on taking the show in?  

    Not so much.”

    Yes, Idol has always been about ratings, achieving the highest ad costs possible and the bottom line. I do think that the casting of the judges is intended to try to refresh the voting/viewing demographic and draw more people in the prime 18-49 demo.

    Incipit wrote:
    “Oh, they know – they don’t necessarily care more then they do about their precious ad demographic. Not to the point where it eclipses ad revenue, anyway.

    The Public buying iTunes and concert tour tickets and IA Compilation CD’s is nice – but the numbers are a drop in the bucket compared to what they can charge for ads – and when people don’t – say Season 9 – they just cut the Hamster’s pay.”

    Yes, when one 2-hour Idol show can earn more in ad revenue that the total gross earnings of the entire Idol tour, then that gives some perspective on where the priority is going to be for those in charge of the franchise.

  • Anonymous

    Since we are wishing for the moon and a rapper that can sing, how about Will Smith?  I know, too expensive, sigh.

    I think that Will Smith would make a great choice, but I think you’re right about the price tag.  

    This is starting to remind me, and not in a good way, about the NBA.  We have a basketball team in our town, and every year it seems the owners are bidding tens of millions of dollars to get some hot new star right out of college (or sometimes high school).  And this new pick is going to save the team and win us the championship!  

    And every year it seems, the hot new star develops knee problems as soon as he’s signed and spends the entire year on the bench.  

    I’m not saying that all these new judges are going to suddenly throw their backs out, but paying tens of millions of dollars for a rookie is a kind of madness.  They can’t all be worth more than the last one signed — but egos and PR demand that they be treated like they are.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Its a shame they havent figured out those god awful 50+ have the money to spend and if they are like me, support the Idols by buying their music.  Apparently, the ones Idol and the sponsors want, don’t so much.

    Well, except the younger demographic that advertisers want typically spends MORE money on music than older people do and has cut its spending less in response to the fragile economy. (Nielsen Music 360 study, reported by Rolling Stone)

    ETA: Here’s a snippet from Nielsen’s press release for the report:

    Older consumers have decreased their spending [on music] the most during the current economy

    –41% of respondents 55+ reduced their spending to a large degree
    –39% of respondents 45-54 reduced their spending to a large degree
    –Only 28% of respondents age 25-34 reduced their spending to a large degree

    And the older age groups were already spending less in the first place. So I can’t see that it’s harmful to Idols’ music careers if the show does more to attract a demographic that’s more likely to buy music and attend shows.

  • Incipit

    Interesting, Eilonwy. I wish those poll takers would make up their minds on what the “Survey Says”. Heh. 

    Earlier this year, it was the Baby Boomers who spent the most money on music, and had been for some time…with impressive stats, and catalog sales to document it – now it isn’t?

    And now, either the younger demographic suddenly stopped illegally downloading the most music, or the older demographic caught up with and passed them – and we are now all a Nation of Thieves? 

    Of course, ‘cut back the most’ isn’t the same as ‘spent the least’ – wording can be tricksy, with those sneaky little pollsters.

    Which is it, I wonder – or is there a poll angled to agree with every POV? 

    Yeah, prolly that’s it…*snerk*…though it would be hard on the NumberNerds.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Earlier this year, it was the Baby Boomers who spent the most money on music, and had been for some time…with impressive stats, and catalog sales to document it – now it isn’t?

    Do you by any chance have a link to coverage of that study? The only form of that claim that I can find by Googling is a study from 2002 (here), comparing Baby Boomers then in their 40s to Gen Xers. It’s hard to evaluate whether a study is well-designed or biased or looking at a different question without a little more information about it, and my job makes me disinclined to just go “shtudy, shmudy” and dismiss them all as equally flawed.

    It would not surprise me if Boomers in the aggregate spent more than other groups, as they vastly outnumber most other age cohorts. But that’s different from individuals in their 50s typically spending more than individuals in their 20s.

    ETA: I’m also puzzled by how Baby Boomers’ higher spending (if real) on catalog albums helps sales of artists putting out new music. Perhaps you could explain what I’m misunderstanding?

    Of course, ‘cut back the most’ isn’t the same as ‘spent the least’ – wording can be tricksy, with those sneaky little pollsters.

    Well, the study documents that teens spend more than over-50s, so I’m not sure how one could also reach the conclusion that over-50s are outspending teens by cutting more from a higher base. But math has never been my strongest skill… help me out here.

  • Incipit

    Eilonwy, I’m not the one to help anyone out with Math. Not my skillset – Especially since I am equally at sea about what to believe on the illegal downloads question. Every study I have read concludes that the generational split on who pays and who doesn’t is significant – but that doesn’t mean I have read ‘every study’, or even well constructed ones.

    The studies I saw on Baby Boomer’s buying habits, and the corresponding data on catalog sales from major publishers – those I actually posted here at mj’s, back in the beginning of Season 11, on a long thread where popular music vs the Idol catalog was being discussed, from the POV of the median Idol audience age, and their preferences. It wasn’t specifically about how it helps artists putting out new music – though it could apply if it were fact that the older, or present median Idol demographic is more likely to buy music from artists they want to support, rather than illegally download.

    That was on my previous computer – so I don’t have the links, but if I can construct a good search string, Google may find them here. I’m willing to try, later.

    But that takes us back to the download question…and who pays, and who has the dubious distinction of ripping off the artists the most? 

    I’ll try to get back to you, if I can find the thread.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GJ7GOGSVLTJY6SJDVVZYAEUL4Y Jean White

     Yeah, it’s gotten really old, and each new round of names is fine by me. Like most who have responded to this new batch, YAY for Keith Urban! I really don’ care who is sitting on the panel except for the previous idol whose name has floated around too many times.

  • http://lost-erizo.livejournal.com/ LE

    Just popping up to say I think all the “Nicky Minaj is a rapper not a singer!” whinging is hilarious since one of her most recent tabloid kerfuffles was over a bunch of hip-hop artists who questioned in public why she was invited to their music festival because, get this, “she’s a pop singer, not a rapper!”

    Rapping and singing aren’t mutually exclusive talents – just look at Queen Latifa (I have no opinion on Nicky’s talents specifically – they don’t play her on the radio station I listen to and as for videos – all the bubblegum pink puts me off.  Yes I’m that shallow.)  Besides – the ability to critique isn’t dependent on the ability to perform – Randy Jackson is a bass player, not a singer, and I highly doubt that Simon Cowell has ever sung a note in public in his life.

  • jr8809

     That’s a great point. When blogs feature Nicki Minaj they tend to make the point in say Nicki has used her status in hip hop become this pop star. She still raps of course but she’s getting more recognition for these pop songs she puts out where she sings. Making arguments about why is there a rapper on the panel, she’s really has become known as this pop star and she has become a big force in music today, like her or not she is relevant.

  • Anonymous

    Because the bottom line for rapping on a Reality show about a Singing Contest is, it is not singing. It’s a whole different category of entertainment, it has to be judged differently than singing, and why would there be only one judge qualified to do that?

    For most rap songs, there is a significant amount of singing in the hooks. And that is not surprising because the skill set for rapping (phrasing, cadence, understanding and interpreting of lyrics) is not, despite some viewers’ disdain, a different skill set from singing.

    And thus, one does not need to be a rapper to judge those skills. Any musician who has any understanding of those skills should be able to provide a critique. Certainly any judge who has had any association with hip-hop should be able to do so, and the panel already includes Carey, who certainly qualifies. As would Iglesias. Urban has worked with Kid Rock, who has done his share of rap-rock songs. Bringing up some other names, Pharrell Williams would certainly be qualified to judge it. Hayley Williams guested on a rap song. 

    Hip-hop is no more insular than any other genre, and shouldn’t be judged differently. The audience that feels that it should is generally not the audience that the show wants. I agree that the production staff would have to provide a lot more support (in both clearance and critiques) to the contestants to nurture appreciation from the audience, but IMO, it’s past time.

  • Incipit

    “Nicky Minaj is a rapper not a singer!” 

    Heh, well the discussion moved a little deeper since you read that – and branched out from there to ‘rapping is not singing’, to ‘out of all the choices, why have a judge who is a rapper unless there is a plan for contestants to rap, and if so, then why have only one qualified judge, (subset – why have all performers as judges, and no industry professionals) to –  could Idol even support rap songs without a new catalog and new theme weeks, and an augmented Bandzilla, and a lot of spin on the original mission statement, to how many of the Hamsters would be rapping, to ought Idol even go there, and copy XFUS?

    You missed a lot. *snerk*

    I could agree “the ability to critique isn’t dependent on the ability to perform” – but your examples defeat your argument. Randy couldn’t critique with any credibility, no matter what he knows as a producer, it didn’t come out at the judges table – he did catch phrases and contradictions, with the occasional name drop – not useful critiques. Cowell gave an opinion on how a performance seemed to him as an A&R man, and as long as it wasn’t about birds or country music, or he liked the contestant’s outfit, the ultra witty bon mot had a 50/50 chance of being useful instead of cutting – - but only for performance style, song choice, or what he thought an audience would perceive. He seldom talked about the substance of singing or delivery.. 

    The sad thing is – the last two seasons have been even worse – so the prospect of more newby judges  who have to learn the ropes is in many ways even more disconcerting than “Beautiful’ and ‘Goosies’ and ‘Pitchy, Dawg”. But hope springs eternal, and like that – if TPTB would ever drop the names, and end the parade of speculation.

    IMO. Of Course.

  • Anonymous

    Its a shame they havent figured out those god awful 50+ have the money to spend and if they are like me, support the Idols by buying their music.  Apparently, the ones Idol and the sponsors want, don’t so much.

    Younger people are buying more music, but that doesn’t have anything to do with television.  Advertisers are interested in younger consumers, because they are less brand loyal, and more open to buying new products.  They are also hard to reach, which is why advertisers will pay so much to buy time on a show like American Idol.

  • Anonymous

    Well a lot of people here may have to prepare themselves to not watch idol, lol. Nikki has cancelled her sept/Oct tour dates for a special secret project. Maybe it’s Idol? I hope so!

    http://www.contactmusic.com/news/nicki-minaj-postpones-tour-dates_1381043

  • http://lost-erizo.livejournal.com/ LE

    No, actually I read the whole thread.  I just thought that the majority of it was irrelevant except for the bits that were hilarious.

    Whatever your opinion of Cowell and Jackson, they plus Paula were a relatively successful recipe for nearly 10 years.  AI has never been interested in getting judges who were credible or accurate about the singing.  If they were they’d add a voice coach to the panel – someone who actually knows something about singing, and they’d try to make their laughable voting system somewhere close to being fair.  But that’s not what it’s ever been about about – it’s a reality show. It’s the contestants who are important, and even there the producers are more interested in the story arc they can build than the quality of the singing – the judges are there to give some reactions that aren’t too laughable, generally be entertaining and occasionally actually advise the contestants.  If they can attract some specific important demographics to the audience while they do that, even better.

    And frankly I’d take the opinion of an A&R person over that of a voice coach or performer.  Even if it’s not the main goal, the top 2-3 contestants are going to be promoted as pop stars.  It would be nice if they were people who actually had some mass appeal (although technical excellence would also be nice. I actually enjoy discussion of singing technique, but I’m a geek about
    that stuff – it would be boring or irrelevant to most viewers.).

  • Anonymous

    Predictions are that for the first time there will be more digital music sales than physical ones once the year is over.  That would be one of the outcomes of younger people buying digital singles, while older people are buying catalog albums.

  • Karen C

    I’m just wondering where it was published that the median age of the show was now 50+?  All the ratings I’m seeing say last year’s Idol was still the #1 or #2 show among 18-49 viewers, though the ratings were down a significant amount.  I am also seeing  that AI was #1 in total viewership, which would include all age groups.  
     
    And assuming that a significant number of the audience is in the 18-49 anyway, I think the effect of someone like Nicki Minaj would be to draw an audience of a different genre, rather than really change the age of the audience. 

    ETA: Just found an article that says this http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Who-will-replace-Lopez-Tyler-on-American-Idol-3702907.php.

  • http://twitter.com/BamadansPad Danny Latham

    MJ, you’ve been quoted on Taste of Country as it relates to Keith Urban:

    http://tasteofcountry.com/keith-urban-leading-contender-american-idol-judge/ 

  • Anonymous

    “I really don’ care who is sitting on the panel except for the previous idol whose name has floated around too many times.”

    Let me guess… would that be Adam Lambert you’re talking about?
    I would love to see him over the majority of people that have been mentioned so far.

  • Incipit

    You are a Search Ninja, Eilonwy, nice job! I’m glad the description of the discussion was useful – (and saved me the search – Heh.) 
    That was lame, a 2008 article using data from 2000. I ought to have dug deeper into the sources.

    But, per Billboard, can one conclude that new artists’ lower sales are not because of epidemic file sharing, a claim I frequently encounter – but a different mix of causes? Or if the aging of Americans means less support for new musicians, but the increase in catalog sales reflects that music they do like is being purchased by ? generations, just not predominantly new, or Pop? Are the catalog sales mainly digital, or hard copies?

    Every answer opens up new questions – and there is nothing definitive, I know – but I still find it fascinating. 

    Good discussion!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PSHFTD4YV3QOE3INABJUXZSWMU hillstreetblooz

     http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00047068.html

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/voice-positive-nbc-ratings-0
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    2 additional points of reference re: Idol audience

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Not looking at the family problems of the Jacksons – I would much rather have JANET JACKSON as a judge than Mariah or Nicki.  Her recording catalog includes everything from Pop to Hip Hop.

    Do you think some of the 50+ parents and Grandparents buy music for the teens in their lives?  Hmmmm…

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    It would be nice if they were people who actually had some mass appeal (although technical excellence would also be nice. I actually enjoy discussion of singing technique, but I’m a geek about that stuff – it would be boring or irrelevant to most viewers.).

    LE, I am with you on this point!  That’s why I enjoyed the way BEN FOLDS judged on THE SING-OFF.  I actually learned things and enjoyed him.  The other two judges, Sara and Shane were also good!  But then, there was no DIVA on the show.  This seems to be a requirement of ALL judging panels nowadays.