American Idol Alum Booking Fees – Check them Out!

Want to book an American Idol alum for a gig? A list of booking fees that include some Idols can be found via Degy Booking International.

Not surprisingly, Daughtry, Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood are at the top of the heap. If the figures are correct, Clay Aiken is still commanding a decent fee.

We Are The Fallen (Carly Smithson) $5-10k
Blake Lewis $10k+
Lee DeWyze $15-25k
Crystal Bowersox $15-25k
Danny Gokey $30k+
David Archuleta $30-40k
David Cook $30-50k
Adam Lambert $40-50k+
Kellie Pickler $50-60k
Fantasia $50-75k
Clay Aiken $85-100k+
Jennifer Hudson $100k+
Daughtry $200-300k+
Kelly Clarkson $350-500k+
Carrie Underwood $350-500k+

Thanks to Ozarka for compiling these.  Keep in mind  I haven’t confirmed these figures with a second source–there could be some wrong or out-of-date info on the list.

  • Buffynut

    Could be something wrong??? Clay Aiken for $85,000! Um, no!

  • blmetsfan

    Damn! Look @ Clay’s #s. Even some of the “lesser” #s are pretty damn good. For a one time gig? Give me 10K. Hell, 5K!

  • ozarko

    We Are The Fallen (Carly Smithson) $5-10k
    Blake Lewis $10k+
    Lee DeWyze $15-25k
    Crystal Bowersox $15-25k
    Danny Gokey $30k+
    David Archuleta $30-40k
    David Cook $30-50k
    Adam Lambert $40-50k+
    Kellie Pickler $50-60k
    Fantasia $50-75k
    Clay Aiken $85-100k+
    Jennifer Hudson $100k+
    Daughtry $200-300k+
    Kelly Clarkson $350-500k+
    Carrie Underwood $350-500k+

    For comparison, this is what the numbers were in 2009…

    1 ) Carrie Underwood — $500,000+/Call for Price
    2 ) Kelly Clarkson — $250,000+
    3 ) Daughtry — $150,000-$200,000
    4 ) Fantasia — $100,000-$200,000
    5 ) Clay Aiken — $100,000-$150,000
    6 ) Jennifer Hudson — $100,000+
    7 ) Jordin Sparks — $75,000-$125,000
    8 ) David Archuleta — $40,000+
    9 ) David Cook — $30,000-$50,000
    10) Kellie Pickler — $30,000-$40,000
    11) Bucky Covington — $20,000-$25,000
    12) Taylor Hicks — $15,000-$30,000
    13) Josh Gracin — $15,000-$25,000
    14) Blake Lewis — $10,000+
    15) Bo Bice — $10,000+

    Source: Idol Forums

  • 1wildegirl

    Well, if I start saving now, I can hire Kelly to play at my 50th birthday! Sweet!

  • Milly21

    LMAO GET OUTTA HERE WITH CLAY AIKEN’s FEE
    GET OUT! LOLOLOL

    if this was 2003, THAT i could believe.
    he cant even sell 85,000 albums these days and hes gonna charge $85,000+ for an appearance? NO WAY ahaha

  • girlygirl

    I have a feeling some of these could be outdated. For instance, I would bet David Cook’s numbers are what he got coming off AI — he likely would get a little bit more than that now, given his successful 1st tour/album sales. Also, not everybody is listed here. For example, Kris isn’t on this chart, but from what I’ve heard, he gets around the same amount as Adam ($40-50+K). But again, these numbers may just be what they got coming off AI and could end up being quite different for tour #2.

    Still, if these figures are accurate, these guys are all making a decent living, aren’t they? :)

  • Fullmoon

    Bringing my post over:

    From what I’ve heard Adam is already in the 75-100k range and he actually fills concert seats. I’m sure those numbers are out dated and has nothing to do with how many CDs you sell or when your next CD comes out but if you can actually sell tickets and fill venues.

    ETA: Clay may still be asking for those fees but I doubt that is what he is getting. If your canceling your concert dates or can’t fill them promoters are not likely to pay those fees.

  • kmd

    This is interesting. Clay was very popular so maybe he does get that fee still.

  • Studio57

    you lost me at Clay Aiken.

  • lucysfave

    I’m curious what Jordan Sparks and Kris Allen are commanding in booking fees. Anyone heard the $$ for these winners?

  • Elliegrll

    From what I’ve heard Adam is already in the 75-100k range and he actually fills concert seats.

    But, he’s still new, and there’s a difference between filling concert seats in places that seat a couple of thousand people, and places that seat 10,000 or more.

    I remember the last time that we saw these lists that it was stated that these are just starting points. What people get depends on the venue, and type of event. Pretty much all of the people on the list have been booked for private events where they made six figures for just a few hours of work.

  • CindyM

    girlygirl says:
    06/12/2011 at 7:17 pm

    I have a feeling some of these could be outdated. For instance, I would bet David Cook’s numbers are what he got coming off AI — he likely would get a little bit more than that now, given his successful 1st tour/album sales. Also, not everybody is listed here. For example, Kris isn’t on this chart, but from what I’ve heard, he gets around the same amount as Adam ($40-50+K). But again, these numbers may just be what they got coming off AI and could end up being quite different for tour #2.

    Where did you hear that Kris was getting 40-50K? The last figure I remember was the one from the smoking gun and
    According to the article in August 2010, Kris was getting 12.5K

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/drake/who-rascal-flatts-guy-and-why-he-earning-702500-gig

  • Renee in CA

    This is not the “cash in hand” for the primary performer – if they’ve got a band, then it’s gonna have to pay for them too. I would guess Adam’s is higher now, but the one I’m shocked at is Kellie Picker – wow!

  • Buffynut

    But, he’s still new, and there’s a difference between filling concert seats in places that seat a couple of thousand people, and places that seat 10,000 or more

    .

    Which is exactly why I think Adam’s fee is wrong. Of course, there is a + after the amount. He had quite a few concerts around and/or over the 10,000 seat size and many around the 4,000 seat size. If he is getting booked for festivals that draw 50,000 people, then he is pulling in more than the fee stated.

  • CindyM

    But, he’s still new, and there’s a difference between filling concert seats in places that seat a couple of thousand people, and places that seat 10,000 or more.

    I agree and that’s why I find it difficult to believe some of these figures. Clay had a tough time filling 500 seats on his last tour and had to cancel a few shows. Same with others on the list. Maybe it was a starting number but has been revised, who knows?

    These could also be just for private appearances and starting negotiating figures.

    Also Degy doesn’t represent most of these people, so how do they get their figures?? I know on Adam’s stuff it still says to contact 19M and CAA for bookings.

    ETA: Reps for CAA were also at Adam’s LA GNT show, there was a block of seats reserved for them near his family and friends in the balcony.

  • Fullmoon

    Which is exactly why I think Adam’s fee is wrong. Of course, there is a + after the amount. He had quite a few concerts around and/or over the 10,000 seat size and many around the 4,000 seat size. If he is getting booked for festivals that draw 50,000 people, then he is pulling in more than the fee stated.

    Exactly. According to Singapore officials him and Daughtry received about 250,000 for 2 day event. So I would think depending on the event fees varies and didn’t we hear from Maximum promoters fees were about 75K for the 50,000 peeps festival.

    ETA: I’m sure someone will find the info I think it came from the Russian guy that took those fabulous photos and said Adam pulled in more fans than Korn and Prodigy put together.

  • Buffynut

    Also, if you go to the Degy website, it lists their clients. None of their clients are big stars. That list is just plain weird.

    http://degy.com/artist.html

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    I took a look at the linked list and noticed that quite a lot of acts with names I recognize from alt-rock or HAC radio hits are in the $30-50k range. Not all of them, but many.

  • HR

    Yes, fees can vary based on a special circumstance that is why they include the plus sign at the tail end of the figures. I would assume these are the average asking fees.

  • girlygirl

    CindyM

    A venue tweeted that Kris’s asked-for guarantee was $50K when explaining why it was too expensive for them to book him at their club

  • bridgette12

    I just can’t see Clay commanding that much money now. Looking at that list, I would say these Idols are making a good living.

  • Elliegrll

    Nvm

  • girlygirl

    lucysfave

    I don’t know about Jordin, but as I said above, Kris reportedly is in the $40-50K range. Again, this is just off a quote we got from a venue talking about why they weren’t able to book him at their club. Like with the other acts, I assume his fee varies depending on the size of the venue, whether it’s a headlining or support gig, etc.

  • kokko

    I am sure a lot of peeps think Adam should have commanded a much higher fees than what the chart stated, however, it did give a range like from $40K upwards – so I think Adam may be willing to charge a fee at the lower end if he’s aware that it’s of a relatively small venue. I would also assume the fees is mainly applicable to a concert or gig in the US?? If that’s the case, I find that the fees charged seem to have some direct relation with the type of venues the artist usually book, and while Adam may have performed in some larger venues once in a while, as far as I remember for his solo Tour in the US most of the venue size were around 1500 – 2500 capacity, rather than mostly 4000 plus.

    Last time I checked on an Idol concert booking site which sometimes provide the venue capacity and Kellie Pickler actually had a few concerts at venues of 2000-3000 capacity. So in that sense her booking fees are not that difficult to believe.

  • Mel1

    I can’t imagine Kris and Adam getting the same amount since Adam consistently filled up venues whereas Kris did not.

  • larc

    I could get Clay for one concert or Adam for two for the same money??? DUH! No contest here. :P

  • Incipit

    I found the same thing as Ozarko – a list from 2009 – 2010 that is essentially the same.

    If one believes the first list, one would have to believe that the numbers hadn’t changed in 2 to 3 years – even though booking costs rising has been cited as one of the culprits for the collapse of the touring market in the summer of 2010.

    So no. I have no reason to believe any list compiled by folks who aren’t even an artists booking agent – and I have less reason to believe a list that remains essentially unchanged from 2009 – to 2011….while the whole market has been in upheaval.

    It’s like that ‘earnings’ list Forbes puts out – amusing, even fun – but essentially – fact free.

    IMO. Of Course.

  • steph6449

    Girls haven’t been winning the show recently, but in one department they are clearly leading the way :)

  • CindyM

    FullMoon, I think your Russian source must be full of it. Korn and Prodigy are very popular in Russia and Adam did well there, but I doubt that was true.

    ETA: Sorry Mel1!!!

  • girlygirl

    Pia supposedly got paid $100K to appear at a private event. If she can get that sort of money without any track record at all, these fees for regular gigs shouldn’t be that surprising

  • blmetsfan

    I was thinking the same girlygirl. Amazing that Pia got that amount, but it puts in perspective some of these other #s.

  • CindyM

    So no. I have no reason to believe any list compiled by folks who aren’t even an artists booking agent – and I have less reason to believe a list that remains essentially unchanged from 2009 – to 2011….while the whole market has been in upheaval.

    I agree Incipit. There’s no way that the booking fees for many of those artists haven’t changed in 2 years.

  • Mel1

    Cindy, I didn’t post anything about Russia. I’ll have to read back to see what you are talking about.

  • HR

    As always with these lists people can believe what they want. None of these people release their financial statements to us. I can’t subscribe to the idea the list is unchanged. Look at Clay and Fantasia’s numbers. A significant change there.

  • girlygirl

    Mel1

    these fees were probably set before either of them even started touring. So it makes sense that their guarantees would have been similar at that time, since neither one had a track record to go off of. But it’s likely that Adam’s current asking fees are higher than Kris’s are.

    I really doubt this list is up to date.

  • kmd

    It says “General pricing sheet for Spring 2011″ on the Degy Booking International list. I have no reason not to believe it.

  • Eyeswideshut2

    This popcorn sure is tasty.

  • steph6449

    No idea on the others, but fwiw the figure given for Danny is consistent with stories I heard from reasonably credible sources regarding two different occasions for his first year out after the AI tour.

    Not sure if it has changed this year, he’s only intermittently been touring to date while working on new music. Don’t believe it has gone down anyway, he had good results typically for the venues he was playing for his solo dates.

  • Elliegrll

    I thought that the last time that we received this information that it was agreed that there are separate fees for a tour, as opposed to one time booking fees, and what someone would get if they were playing at a festival. I don’t think that these numbers indicate what people would get for tour stops.

  • http://flamingnose.blogspot.com Scott

    From what I’ve heard Adam is already in the 75-100k range and he actually fills concert seats. I’m sure those numbers are out dated and has nothing to do with how many CDs you sell or when your next CD comes out but if you can actually sell tickets and fill venues

    Fullmoon, you are constantly lowballing Adam’s numbers. Clearly he is somewhere between Carrie & Kelly.

    Folks, remember, this isn’t a list of what they actually command. It’s not a list of what they’ve earned in the past. It’s a list of what their going rate is… what the artist and their management want to charge. It could be that Clay is out of his mind and still thinks he can get that price. Doesn’t mean it will happen.

  • goboywonder

    This popcorn sure is tasty.

    Shoot! Mine’s already out. *runstomakemore*

  • Trina

    Some of the prices are just flatout ridiciculous and i would bet anything some of them have to lower their price in the future or for certain venues. If you’re going to command $25,000 or $50,000 you better damn well be worth it or have a proven track record when it comes to filling seats and not just because you won American Idol or had a hit single. I know at one time when Clay was asking like $150,000 some venues pushed him to lower his fee. Some people will simply not pay those outragious prices.

    What happened with Pia and that one gig was different. That was a private event where she was offered a certain amount because whoever wanted her was willing to pay a shitload of money, then ended up paying even more. But once Pia releases music and starts booking stuff more regularly there’s no way she’ll be able to get away with a set asking price of 100k+

  • Fullmoon

    Adam is nowhere near Kelly and Carrie but damn Carrie is clocking $$$.

  • http://flamingnose.blogspot.com Scott

    And by the way, different gigs can mean vastly different prices. As does the artists’ own agenda. For example, David Cook charged low prices (7k, 10k etc) for College gigs on the Declaration tour, but got 100k for playing the San Diego Fair at Del Mar (the fair released the figures showing what they paid David, Kelly & others that year). A casino will offer very lucrative rates, as will special one-offs like the David & David concert in Manila (with huge expense accounts while they’re there), or the upcoming (separate) Vietnam concerts both Davids will be doing. That rate in this “booking fees” list a “typical” asking price to get booked in venues like theaters and arenas, and again, who knows if some of them are completely unrealistic.

    I doubt very much that Adam Lambert commands 100k to play Club Nokia in LA. But I’d bet that 50k number is right.

  • http://flamingnose.blogspot.com Scott

    Adam is nowhere near Kelly and Carrie but damn Carrie is clocking $$$.

    Don’t you forget it! You heard it hear first. ;)

  • aga

    My son used to book concerts for his college. He told me last year David Cook asks around 50k per gig, so these figures are about right.

  • Mel1

    Fullmoon, you are constantly lowballing Adam’s numbers. Clearly he is somewhere between Carrie & Kelly.

    $75K – $100K is a far cry from $500K, what Kelly and Carrie are getting. If Kris is asking for $50K, $75K is not at all unreasonable. Adam’s track record shows he is worth that much.

  • Sue123

    I don’t know, but I think this list may be for special appearances – like singing the national anthem at a sporting event. I find it very difficult to believe that any of these artists can get $500K per tour date. It doesn’t mean they’re not popular, but that’s like $10M for a 20 city tour – I just don’t see it.

    Also, Clay really didn’t have a problem selling 500 to 1,000 tickets in most venues. His numbers posted from Pollstar are somewhat skewed due to PBS ticket sales (which, per Pollstar, are not included in the numbers). Also, he canceled one show not several and that venue also canceled the show right before and right after his, it could have been for another reason other than ticket sales.

  • Fullmoon

    I doubt very much that Adam Lambert commands 100k to play Club Nokia in LA. But I’d bet that 50k number is right.

    I doubt he would command 100k for Club Nokia also. Where did you hear that? That is news to me.

  • tripp_ncwy

    The Lee DeWyze $15-25k seems consistent to what was published last fall by Main Stage Productions for 15-20k.

    http://www.main-stageproductions.com/music

  • Tess

    Who is Degy Entertainment? Why are they listing booking fees of clients they do not seem to have? What is the source of their numbers since they are not the booking agent…phone calls asking how much it costs to book someone.

    Just like all the “scoop” we get from gossip sites, TMZ, printed online (open to the public) undocumented lists, etc. I just call this bull crap. It’s not that I care what anyone gets as a booking fee, or whether they get more or less then their “rival”…I just think all of this stuff is unsubstantiated … just like someone’s “earnings” unless we have a certified copy of their 1040 form.

  • kmd

    Where is the written proof that Pia got paid $100,000 for a private gig?

  • Andy11

    Does anyone know ballpark what the artist will actually net. For instance, if someone gets 40K for a gig, how much do they keep after paying their management and band members (assume a band of 3 additional people)?

  • SajiNoKami

    Also, if you go to the Degy website, it lists their clients. None of their clients are big stars. That list is just plain weird.
    http://degy.com/artist.html

    Only heard of 4 of those bands and own songs by them:
    -Blessid Union of Souls
    -Bowling For Soup <= ficken love them
    -Quietdrive
    -SafetySuit

  • Buffynut

    I doubt very much that Adam Lambert commands 100k to play Club Nokia in LA. But I’d bet that 50k number is right.

    First, I don’t think these booking fees are real. But if they are or close to the right amounts, I’m pretty sure this is different than the way a concert, like Club Nokia is booked. Those type of shows have to take into account pricing and venue size. I see these booking fees as more of a festival or fair, like someone mentioned the San Diego fair that Cook did or the Montreal Balloon Festival that Adam did. In which case, I think both the fees listed here for those 2 guys are low.
    I really wonder how Kris could have a guarantee of 50,000 when his venues were so small?

  • steph6449

    I think this list may be for special appearances – like singing the national anthem at a sporting event.

    Eeps, people get paid big fees to sing the NA at a sporting event? :shock:

    Lol, I thought they would sing the national anthem for free or a token booking/travel allowance, plus the prestige, exposure and publicity especially at bigger events.

  • Montavilla

    Eeps, people get paid big fees to sing the NA at a sporting event?

    Probably. Everyone else gets paid at that sporting event, why shouldn’t the singer?

  • CindyM

    There’s no way those figures are for singing the National Anthem. More likely for private events, but most likely they’re “guesses” since Degy doesn’t handle the booking for any of them.

  • Buffynut

    kokko says:

    06/12/2011 at 7:42 pm

    I am sure a lot of peeps think Adam should have commanded a much higher fees than what the chart stated, however, it did give a range like from $40K upwards – so I think Adam may be willing to charge a fee at the lower end if he’s aware that it’s of a relatively small venue. I would also assume the fees is mainly applicable to a concert or gig in the US?? If that’s the case, I find that the fees charged seem to have some direct relation with the type of venues the artist usually book, and while Adam may have performed in some larger venues once in a while, as far as I remember for his solo Tour in the US most of the venue size were around 1500 – 2500 capacity, rather than mostly 4000 plus.

    Actually, 19 of 72 of Adam’s North American tour venues were over 2500. There were 6 that were over 5,000. Of those 19 shows, only 2 were not sold out.

  • steph6449

    Probably. Everyone else gets paid at that sporting event, why shouldn’t the singer?

    Idk, because it is the national anthem, and it’s sort of an honorary thing. Just seems a little cheesy to use singing the NA as a moneymaker :?

  • Eyeswideshut2

    nvm

  • Elliegrll

    I really wonder how Kris could have a guarantee of 50,000 when his venues were so small?

    You just got finished saying that the fees are different for different venues, so how does this fit? Kris played some of the same places that Adam played, some venues that seated a thousand people, and some that fit 500-700, as well as smaller clubs. Plus, he played casinos, festivals, a few colleges and private events, so his asking price would be on a sliding scale just like anyone else’s.

    Do you actually know what the venue was like that couldn’t afford his booking fee, or what type of show they wanted to book him for? All I know is that according to this particular club owner, for the show that they wanted him for he was asking for 50K.

  • steph6449

    Trying to remember the two cases I heard of with Danny, for fees in the general ballpark they have listed. One was definitely a quote someone got when inquiring about a charity gala. The other non-public case isn’t coming to mind.

    But there was also an article last summer when Danny did a headlining show at a fair/festival type situation in California. They had an overall budget of like $70,000 and there were some articles that said Danny was the priciest act they booked but he also pulled the biggest crowd. The next biggest name was Jack Ingram, whose listing in this chart says $25-30K, so that would track pretty well with a $30K+ figure for Danny.

    As far as club dates, I have heard similar to what girlygirl related for Kris, that some country music clubs can’t easily book Danny due to the appearance fee level. I have the impression Danny may be able to make an exception for venues on the way to or from a more lucrative date. Pretty much the only times I can easily recall Danny booking into a ~small venue were coming or going to something like a casino date at another location.

  • Listening

    I was thinking those prices listed were how much it would cost for any Joe Smoe to
    hire an idol to sing at their wedding or birthday. I imagine if it was for a big event they’d
    pay a lot less.

    I remember when David Cook first started touring and we found somewhere that said it would cost 5K
    to book him some DC fans were telling people to book him b/c it would be a steal. Later someone had gotten a response that the price listed was inaccurate just a weird little fact that’s always stuck in my head.

  • Montavilla
    Probably. Everyone else gets paid at that sporting event, why shouldn’t the singer?

    Idk, because it is the national anthem, and it’s sort of an honorary thing. Just seems a little cheesy to use singing the NA as a moneymaker

    I understand what you’re saying — but if the mindset is that the singer ought to do it just for the honor, where does that leave the person who sings it every game? Do they really need the publicity of doing it for the same crowd for the tenth time?

    And when a famous singer is used, it’s usually done in order to make the game/team/venue seem important. Like Kris singing for the “bowl” game in Hawaii. And if sports organizers are willing to pay millions to get the best players, then they should also be ready to pay for the best singers.

  • steph6449

    if the mindset is that the singer ought to do it just for the honor, where does that leave the person who sings it every game? Do they really need the publicity of doing it for the same crowd for the tenth time?

    If they do it every week, then IMO they would be staff and they should be paid on salary or a standard fee. Lol.

    And I could see a guest NA singer getting a basic fee and having their expenses covered. It’s ratcheting up the fee after that as if it is a commercial performance that makes me start to go :? Especially for name acts at big events, who hardly need the money.

  • Mel1

    Kris played some of the same places that Adam played, some venues that seated a thousand people, and some that fit 500-700, as well as smaller clubs.

    Adam did not play in any venues that were in the 100s. Which venues did Kris play that were the same as Adam?

  • Buffynut

    Elliegrll says:

    06/12/2011 at 9:33 pm

    I really wonder how Kris could have a guarantee of 50,000 when his venues were so small?

    You just got finished saying that the fees are different for different venues, so how does this fit?

    Sorry, I kind of combined 2 trains of thoughts there.
    When I was asking about Kris, I was wondering about the post girlygirl made where she said a venue tweeted out his “guarantee” and said that they couldn’t afford him. I just don’t recall Kris doing any solo shows with a large enough capacity to support that size guarantee.
    And Adam didn’t play any venues in N. America that were under 1,000. He played one that was 1,000; 28 that were between 2,000 and 2499; 19 that were 2500 or over and 6 of those were over 5,000; the rest were between 1100 and 1999.
    The only shows he had under 1,000 were on the European tour.

  • http://flamingnose.blogspot.com Scott

    It doesn’t say anywhere in that booking list or on their site that these fees are specific to anything. So much a$$-taking assigned to this LOL! All this is, is the fee that the artist would command on the average. I.e., if a tour promoter starts booking them at venues, this would be a “typical” asking rate. Like I and many others have said, casinos, fairs, festivals, and other one-off events command specific (and often more lucrative) prices.

    If someone plays mostly large clubs like LA’s Troubadour, they ain’t getting more than 10k. If that much. Think about what a “typical” show for Carrie, Daughtry and Kelly are: arenas. For Cook, Lambert & Archie, they’re nice sized theaters and HOBs. For Kris, it’s mostly smaller theaters and large clubs if he headlines, and larger venues (theaters & arenas) when he opens for a big act. If he opens, he ain’t getting 50k. And that’s not a diss against him – it’s just reality. I love Kris to pieces and look forward to the day when he can fill a 5k theater and get 100k.

  • girlygirl

    Mel1

    Kris didn’t play any venues with a capacity of 100 either. To the best of my knowledge, the smallest venue he played had a capacity of 400 — that was Anthology in SD — and he played 2 sold-out shows there on the same night, so that was really = to an 800-capacity venue

    He played mainly venues in the 500-1500 range, but he also played several venues with 5000+ capacity (mainly as an opening act).

  • Buffynut

    I think when Mel said 100s, she meant under 1,000, not 100-199.

  • http://flamingnose.blogspot.com Scott

    I don’t get the meme that claims Kris played in tiny venues. He played a bunch of venues in the 500-1500 range, but he also played several venues with 5000+ capacity (mainly as an opening act)

    Which is what I was explaining in my last post (we kind of posted at the same time). Opening acts don’t get the top dollar. Idols like Kris, Jordin (and Daughtry when he started touring) do get much better fees than the average opener, but not 50k. The average opener makes very little. Now that midlining is such a hot trend, things are changing. Cook may not see his maximum fee if he does midline this fall (as he says he wants to do), but he’ll likely still get the low end of his range.

  • Fullmoon

    I didn’t know Kris played in the same venues as Adam. Did he headline or was it part of his opening acts? Also Adam never played in less than 1000 capacity. Only 3 US venues were 1000.

  • tripp_ncwy

    If he opens, he ain’t getting 50k. And that’s not a diss against him – it’s just reality.

    Considering Kris was featured opening act or as Cook said midliner, he would have gotten a larger fee. Pickler has made a great living as an opening act & you can bet she is getting paid pretty good fee. As others have stated coming off AI is not like being a typical new artist or opening act.

  • steph6449

    I thought Kris had kind of a wide range of venue sizes, depending on the city and type of club. I vaguely recall reading about one in Orlando maybe? Fairly intimate club that did seem to be in the 200-300 capacity range. But I know he had larger venue sizes too, it seemed to be a mix.

    ETA: yeah, http://mjsbigblog.com/kris-allen-the-social-orlando-fl-082010.htm
    Venue shows up in one cite as 240 person capacity. (But again, not saying this is all Kris did, just that in addition to the larger locations he seems to have done smaller clubs from time to time.)

  • Buffynut

    Fullmoon says:

    06/12/2011 at 10:07 pm

    I didn’t know Kris played in the same venues as Adam. Did he headline or was it part of his opening acts? Also Adam never played in less than 1000 capacity. Only 3 US venues were 1000.

    Actually, only 1; Toledo, Ohio. There were 2 at 1100 though.

  • Fullmoon

    Cook may not see his maximum fee if he does midline this fall (as he says he wants to do), but he’ll likely still get the low end of his range.

    IDK but I think Cook still has a strong fanbase and enough to pull in a decent size. Way more than a 1500 I would think.

  • Eileen99

    Scott, your post makes a lot of reasonable sense.

  • Oksana2000

    I recall that Adam and Kris both played Borgata in Atlantic City, capacity 3,700. Both as a headliners, Adam’s was a sellout, I don’t know about Kris.

  • Buffynut

    Fullmoon says:

    06/12/2011 at 10:11 pm

    Cook may not see his maximum fee if he does midline this fall (as he says he wants to do), but he’ll likely still get the low end of his range.

    IDK but I think Cook still has a strong fanbase and enough to pull in a decent size. Way more than a 1500 I would think

    I was disappointed when Cook said he would probably open or mid open. I want to see him, solo. Opening means a shorter set and usually more expensive tickets because of the headliner. He does such a great show, he deserves to have his own tour. And we know that being an opener doesn’t always expand your fanbase, which was something he mentioned in that Q & A.

    tripp_ncwy Opening acts usually do not get paid well.

  • Mel1

    I didn’t see too many concerts that Kris played where he sold them out. OK, the SD one and Arkansas. If he played in a 1500 venue, how many tickets did he sell?

    Adam sold out many concerts that were in the 1000s, and many sold out in minutes. In Vegas, he sold over 5000 where the capacity is supposed to be 3000. In Costa Mesa he had two concerts with tickets sales of about 17000. Just because Adam played in the smaller Club Nokia doesn’t mean he couldn’t have filled up the Nokia Theatre.

    The whole point I’m making is that Adam seems to have a much better track record than Kris. For Adam and Kris to be commanding the same fees doesn’t make sense.

  • bridgette12

    Buffynut says:

    06/12/2011 at 10:17 pm

    I was disappointed when Cook said he would probably open or mid open.

    This is the first I have heard that Cook is not going to headline his own tour. Who is he going to open for?

  • girlygirl

    I pulled out some of the actual deal memos (with the names of the artist blacked out) I got in my tour accounting class. and some of the guarantees were very large. One act got a $60K guarantee for playing a club with a capacity of just under 1900. Another act got a $255K guarantee for playing the Verizon Amphitheatre.

    So I don’t know why it’s so unbelievable to think these ex-Idols are getting this kind of money.

  • Mel1

    This is the first I have heard that Cook is not going to headline his own tour. Who is he going to open for?

    No mention of any names. He wants to increase his fanbase, thus opening.

  • Buffynut

    bridgette12 says:

    06/12/2011 at 10:21 pm

    Buffynut says:

    06/12/2011 at 10:17 pm

    I was disappointed when Cook said he would probably open or mid open.

    This is the first I have heard that Cook is not going to headline his own tour. Who is he going to open for?

    It was a Q&A at one of the raadio promos last week. Someone asked him about a tour and he replied that he may do some one offs, this summer but a tour probably wouldn’t start until Fall. Then he said he would probably open for someone to pick up some new fans. He emphasized though, that nothing was even in the planning stage yet at all.

  • Buffynut

    girlygirl says:

    06/12/2011 at 10:22 pm

    I pulled out some of the actual deal memos (with the names of the artist blacked out) I got in my tour accounting class. and some of the guarantees were very large. One act got a $60K guarantee for playing a club with a capacity of just under 1900. Another act got a $255K guarantee for playing the Verizon Amphitheatre.

    So I don’t know why it’s so unbelievable to think these ex-Idols are getting this kind of money

    So, a club of 1900 with a 60,000 guarantee would get the club about only $16,000 (guessing on a club ticket price of $40.) But then they make their money on drinks too. That makes sense to me, I guess. What size was the venue that leaked the guarantee you’ve quoted for Kris?

  • Mel1

    Actually Cook’s response was to mj, who asked him about touring. They brought her up on stage, and she got a big hug from David.

  • girlygirl

    Bridgette12

    He doesn’t know. Cook said that no plans for a tour have really been set yet. But that he hopes to open or be an mid-opener for someone when he does tour this fall. I expect that he will either mix headlining dates in to whatever that tour ends up being, or he’ll do some sort of separate headlining tour later on

  • ross

    Kris played the Borgata Event Center in Atlantic City, capacity 2400, the Atlantis resort Ballroom, in the Bahamas, capacity, 2000, and the Zirca nightclub in Singapore, capacity, 2000 (ticket price, 99.00). No reason to question he got a large guarantee for these events. As well as two shows he headlined in the Philippines that had attendance in the tens of thousands. Or even venues like B. B. King’s Blues Club in Vegas, which has a capacity of @800 and where he played two shows about a week apart.

    In addition, as Elliegrll pointed out, I’m sure other events – like the recent ones – Mint Jubilee Ball at the Kentucky Derby, Toad Suck Daze in Conway, and the upcoming Alive festival in Ohio, for ex. – are well-paying gigs. Also, I don’t know if the PBS Memorial Day concert pays or not.

    You also have to consider some of Kris’s gigs at venues like Six Flags, and corporate events.

    As for opening – the other acts opening for Maroon5 this summer, for example, were Bruno Mars, OneRepublic, and Owl City. None of the acts, including Kris, were opening for an entire tour. So who really knows what they made, as openers for individual shows?

  • Montavilla

    Pardon me for sticking a toe in the fan war zone, but I don’t see Kris’s name anywhere on that list. Are we trying to interpolate what Kris’s booking fee might be based on whether or not we think he’s worth as much or more or less to bookers than Adam?

    On the list that we don’t know the purpose of?

    I’m just trying to figure out what the discussion is about.

    As for me, I’m more curious as to what Allison’s fee is, because I used to read the concert stats for the Glam Nation tour and try to figure out how much of that Adam ever got to see, since he was the last person paid.

    As I recall, the average take was about $70,000. And my guess would have been that the opening acts (Allison and Orianthi) would probably have been about $10,000 apiece. But, judging from this list, maybe their fees were a bit higher?

    But if they were around that much, and the venue was taking a flat fee (rather than a percentage of the house), then I could see Adam’s “team” pulling in about $40 or so. Of course, out of that would have to come the salaries of the band, technicians, stylists, assistants, and the travel expenses. Plus the cut 19m would have taken to organize all that. Yikes.

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    He doesn’t know. Cook said that no plans for a tour have really been set yet. But that he hopes to open or be an mid-opener for someone when he does tour this fall.

    A couple days ago, NPR’s music blog printed this piece on how changes in the touring market have acts who would formerly have headlined now looking for midlining spots in order to reduce risks. Cook’s nascent plans are nothing unusual.

  • Buffynut

    Mel1 says:

    06/12/2011 at 10:28 pm

    Actually Cook’s response was to mj, who asked him about touring. They brought her up on stage, and she got a big hug from David.

    You’re right!! It was MJ’s question! :)

  • ross

    Pardon me for sticking a toe in the fan war zone, but I don’t see Kris’s name anywhere on that list. Are we trying to interpolate what Kris’s booking fee might be based on whether or not we think he’s worth as much or more or less to bookers than Adam?

    On the list that we don’t know the purpose of?

    I’m just trying to figure out what the discussion is about.

    I don’t think it matters whose name is on the list or not, does it?

    Speaking for myself, I was just trying to answer someone who said they don’t recall Kris playing solo shows at any large venues. I figured they wanted someone to reply with the evidence. Just the facts, ma’am, as Jack Webb used to say.

    Also some people seem upset Kris makes good money, but it seems to me he has a right to ask for what he can get.

  • wordnerdarchie

    But if they were around that much, and the venue was taking a flat fee (rather than a percentage of the house), then I could see Adam’s “team” pulling in about $40 or so

    Isn’t that backwards? Isn’t this why we’re talking about fees? I thought the artist takes a flat fee, whether it be 30k,50k, 500k, and then contracts for any additional % of the take in sales over a base number of sales.

  • bridgette12

    girlygirl says:

    06/12/2011 at 10:28 pm

    Bridgette12

    He doesn’t know. Cook said that no plans for a tour have really been set yet. But that he hopes to open or be an mid-opener for someone when he does tour this fall. I expect that he will either mix headlining dates in to whatever that tour ends up being, or he’ll do some sort of separate headlining tour later on

    Thanks for the info. I guess it would make sense for him to open for a bigger act and try to expand his fanbase. But I do hope this summer, he will be doing some touring on his own. I really want to see him perform live.

  • Fullmoon

    As I recall, the average take was about $70,000. And my guess would have been that the opening acts (Allison and Orianthi) would probably have been about $10,000 apiece. But, judging from this list, maybe their fees were a bit higher?

    Montavilla here are some numbers.

    Adam Total: US only
    74 tour dates
    2500 average capacity
    $90,000 average take
    97% sold out rate

  • Q3

    Those booking sheets are not price lists but designed to give a general idea of what an artist would charge — so a client can be realistic about a budget.

    The amounts listed above came from Degy International Booking http://degy.com/images2/Tour%20Avails.pdf and, if you look at the list, and some of the estimated prices are silly — Lady Gaga at $350K – 500K+ — not a chance.

  • Montavilla

    Also some people seem upset Kris makes good money, but it seems to me he has a right to ask for what he can get.

    I quite agree.

    Isn’t that backwards? Isn’t this why we’re talking about fees? I thought the artist takes a flat fee, whether it be 30k,50k, 500k, and then contracts for any additional % of the take in sales over a base number of sales.

    I really wasn’t sure how it worked. And I’ve been mildly obsessed with it because the talk was last year that Adam (through his management team) had taken on the financial risk for his tour, which was an unusual tactic. But it something to do with the contract he signed with RCA.

    So, as a fan, I was more emotionally invested in how well the tour did than I might be otherwise. Of course, since the tour was almost completely sold out, it must have been profitable. No one would put together a tour that lost money with sold-out houses. (I’m not sure about that European leg, however. A lot of traveling there and very small venues.)

    ETA:

    Thanks, Fullmoon! That’s even more of a relief. :)

  • girlygirl

    Buffynut

    I don’t remember the exact capacity. Somewhere between 1-2K

  • Mel1

    Ross, I think international concerts is a whole new ballgame. Whereas Adam had some big numbers in Asia (in the multiple thousands, some of his venues in Europe were small ones (less than a thousand).

    What is $90,000 times 74? Is it fair to throw out one of Adam’s 100% and the lowest of 50% (Lubbock) to get a better average?

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Also, he canceled one show not several and that venue also canceled the show right before and right after his, it could have been for another reason other than ticket sales.

    The Memphis show was the only date cancelled from Clay’s recent tour and it was for poor ticket sales. His mother posted the reason on her facebook.

  • jpfan

    Alot of touring artists make their money off of merchandise sales. Idol fans in particular snap this stuff up like crazy.

    It’s good to see even folks who aren’t selling tons of albums can make decent $ doing gigs (like Blake for example). And props to Cook for trying to expand the fanbase. Always so, so important for anyone from this show.

  • ross

    Obviously, no one’s starving. That’s always a relief.

  • Q3

    As I recall, the average take was about $70,000. And my guess would have been that the opening acts (Allison and Orianthi) would probably have been about $10,000 apiece. But, judging from this list, maybe their fees were a bit higher?

    The average US concert gross for the GNT was around $120K.

    As far as Allison and Orianthi — this was a promotional opportunity for both of them.

    No chance that Allison got $10K a show. She did a short opening set, and probably got enough to cover expenses and pay the band. If she was was paid a set fee, she was lucky to get paid at all. Many opening acts have to buy on to a tour and could never tour without support from their label.

    I also really doubt that Orianthi got anything close to $10K but that would be between Adam and Orianthi, and her label.

  • girlygirl

    When the artist can command a guarantee at all, most deals are ones in which the artist will walk away with the LARGER amount of the flat guarantee OR their percent of the gross box office receipts AFTER all approved expenses and taxes have been deducted. In general, the percentage split is 85/15% although the biggest acts (the Springsteens, U2s, etc) can get 90/10 splits, while acts that are just starting out may get as low as a 50/50 split.

    For example, in the example I cited earlier, the deal terms were this: $60,000 guarantee VERSUS 85% of the Gross Box Office Receipts (GBOR) after all expenses, taxes are deducted, WHICHEVER IS THE GREATER AMOUNT. So let’s say you have a 2000 capacity venue where all the tickets are being sold for $50, and the show sells out. That would give you
    a starting GBOR of $100K. Then you would have to deduct the expenses and the taxes involved in putting on the show. If that total came to, for example, $25K, you’d be left with $75K for the GBOR, and on the 85/15% split, the artist would receive $63,750. Since that is more than the $60K guarantee, that’s what the artist would get. BUT if the expenses were, say, $40K, leaving you with an adjusted GBOR of $60K, 85% of that would only be $51K. In THAT case, the $60K guarantee is the greater amount, and that’s what the artist walks away with.

    Hope that’s clear :)

  • leilamaurizia

    I’m not sure how accurate this list is now, but as far back as 2008, the guarantee for Carrie was already around $500k. When she did a concert in East Tennessee State University, there was a controversy becse they overspent their concert funds. See article.

    The cost to bring Carrie Underwood to East Tennessee State University worked out to an eye-popping $41,077 per song, or $7,120 a minute for the time she played.

    But the $534,000 price tag raised nary an administrator’s eyebrow until April – weeks after the country starlet and klieg lights had come and gone – when officials realized they had overdrawn their concert fund account by $209,000.

    -snip-

    Representatives with Underwood’s booking agency, the Nashville-based Creative Artist Agency, said the singer’s fees vary widely, depending on the venue, and declined to quote a base fee for a university concert.

  • Fullmoon

    What is $90,000 times 74? Is it fair to throw out one of Adam’s 100% and the lowest of 50% (Lubbock) to get a better average?

    What do you mean? The numbers are what it is. Those do not include his non GNL gigs (festivals) like Musikfest where he was sole performer. Cap. 6500. 100% sold out and $204,695 take.

    Obviously, no one’s starving. That’s always a relief.

    Phew!!!

  • Mel1

    The average US concert gross for the GNT was about $120K

    The gross keeps growing. It started at $70K. So, what is the total gross for 74 concerts?

  • Elliegrll

    Representatives with Underwood’s booking agency, the Nashville-based Creative Artist Agency, said the singer’s fees vary widely, depending on the venue, and declined to quote a base fee for a university concert.

    This says it all, and it is true for everyone.

    It is amazing that a school would pay someone 500K, but I recall reading about another university that paid Jay Z $2 million.

  • larc

    Mel1 says:
    Is it fair to throw out one of Adam’s 100% and the lowest of 50% (Lubbock) to get a better average?

    Somebody made a few very poor decisions on venues for Adam’s tour. He shouldn’t have gone to Lubbock at all, much less to that dreadful venue. Some people who might have gone to his show otherwise probably wouldn’t have been caught dead in that former slaughterhouse.

  • Q3

    Excluding the Festival concert from Summer 2010 — the 74 GNT Shows had an average capacity of 2,646. (Excludes Hawaii which was part of Asia-Pacific tour).

    Highest gross/largest capacity — Pullayup WA, Costa Mesa 8,700, 8,500, 7,500 sold at these three shows.

    Smallest capacity, fewest tickets sold – Toledo, OH 1,000 sold out.

    Average tickets sold per show was around 2,500.

    There are a few very large festivals during the tour that were not included above. The largest was the Montreal Balloon Festival which had over 50,000 in the audience. Largest of the tour.

    What do you mean? The numbers are what it is. Those do not include his non GNL gigs (festivals) like Musikfest where he was sole performer. Cap. 6500. 100% sold out and $204,695 take.

    Musikfest was GNT concert #45. There were other festival concerts and radio promotions that were not part of GNT — Montreal, Toronto, KFest, etc.

  • jpfan

    Obviously, no one’s starving. That’s always a relief.

    So true. The only ones in trouble are the OTT fans who spend their hard earned $ stalking following their favs. I’m already seeing reports of people paying 1K for a ticket to the S10 tour. Laughable or scary, I can’t decide. ;)

  • lulwut

    Other than several established acts (Jennifer, Chris, Kelly, and Carrie), I find it hard to believe the asking prices for former idols. Maybe these are for private performance or corporate events, maybe these are the price when they are fresh off idol. Getting such price in most of their shows are unrealistic imo.

  • Q3

    Mel1 says:
    06/12/2011 at 11:43 pm

    The average US concert gross for the GNT was about $120K

    The gross keeps growing. It started at $70K. So, what is the total gross for 74 concerts?

    I have no idea where the $70K average came from.

    Using actuals where available and estimates where they are not available, the 74 GNT US Concerts (excluding the 2 Hawaii Shows) it is around $113K per show. Including the festivals where Adam was the solo act, but still excluding the multi-act radio concerts (KFest, Toronto) it is around $118K per show.

    But there are estimates in these numbers because we do not have reports for all of the concerts of how many tickets were actually sold at the “sold out” shows.

    The number I would really like to know is what people actually paid for tickets to GNT — because so many tickets were sold on secondary markets for much more than face value. It is another way for artists, the band and others to make additional money.

  • bridgette12

    The funny thing about the fees these stars ask for, don’t even compare to what they can get overseas. That’s one of the big reasons why stars like to tour outside the US, they can make a lot of money.

  • Mel1

    Adam actually makes more money if they are sold for more than Ticketmaster face value prices? We paid Stub Hub prices, which were considerably more than face value. But then, we do that for other popular artists too (to get better seating).

  • Elliegrll

    I didn’t see too many concerts that Kris played where he sold them out. OK, the SD one and Arkansas. If he played in a 1500 venue, how many tickets did he sell?

    From what I recall, we only saw around three or four of Kris’ concerts on Pollstar. I know people came up with their own conclusions about how well he was doing based on what people were saying on twitter, and in various fan groups, but we have little in the way of actual facts to back up any of these claims.

  • Indigobunting

    Other than several established acts (Jennifer, Chris, Kelly, and Carrie), I find it hard to believe the asking prices for former idols.

    I can’t speak for everyone, but I already knew Danny’s minimum; a friend’s venue tried to book him in Texas, but was told the very minimum was 30k, which they couldn’t afford.

    He has done a lot of private acoustic shows- I wonder if those go cheaper for the Idols than those with full bands? Or if the minimum is really the minimum?

    Anyway; my point is-I tend to trust those figures since that one matched what I already knew.

  • larc

    Elliegrll says:
    From what I recall, we only saw around three or four of Kris’ concerts on Pollstar.

    5 of Kris’s headliner tour concerts were reported in Pollstar and Billboard combined. They averaged 876 capacity with 58% of tickets sold.

  • jewels

    Other than several established acts (Jennifer, Chris, Kelly, and Carrie), I find it hard to believe the asking prices for former idols.

    Isn’t Adam actually more established than Jennifer as a live act though? Its all very well having an Oscar/Grammy but that doesn’t automaticalluy mean you can sell tickets to a live gig. JHud has ‘postponed’ her debut solo headlining tour so that she can concentrate on her other projects, but looking at her site, she is yet to sell out a 2000 seater showtent for one of the only live gigs that is still scheduled.

    Also, no way is Kris commanding the same fees as Adam at the moment. They probably started out at around the same but if it costs more to book an artist than you can earn in ticket revenues then you are just throwing money away. The box office scores we saw for Kris’ headlining gigs were 6-12k – does anybody really think venues are going to fork out $50k to book him? That is, why his headlining gigs dried up pretty quickly IMO, it is all very well talking about the early gigs that were booked in the same sized venues as Adam but the occasional headlining gig he had towards the end of last year were accoustic sets in teeny venues.

    Having said all that, just so that this doesn’t sound like Adam v Kris, they probably actually BANKED similar amounts when Adam was headlining and Kris was opening, way more to pay as a headliner even for the most basic of tours..

  • Mel1

    It’s not too difficult to find out if a concert is sold out. Venues do broadcast it somewhere (usually on their website), tweet it, and many times the media picks it up. But most importantly, you can’t get tickets through the main seller.

  • Keel

    It’s all well and good to have a high asking fee for appearances/concerts, but anyone can set a high asking price. What counts is someone actually booking you at those prices. I wonder the last time Clay was actually booked for a private/corporate event at $85K-100K.

  • workdog

    I tend to lean with Indigo; some of these have been relatively known for a while and others are recently “released”. I have no problem believing the levels they are at, considering that most (note the most *g*) of them can and do sing quite well live and are known to put on a decent show. Clay is known to be amazing live and consistent (remember, we’re talking about people who WANT to hear him paying this).

    Adam is still a bit up and coming (in the sense of being more widely known) and his rate probably will rise as he’s also one with a reliable live performance ability, and Kelly/Carrie are a given for the highest rates right now.

    As Ross said, they aren’t starving, they’ve made/are making the most of their shot, and I think it’s awesome they are getting a shot at doing something they love and getting paid, in some cases, pretty damned well for it.:-)

    eta: I wouldn’t be surprised if Clay does command a price in that range, regardless of touring, etc. It’s not always completely related. I’m just so amazed that they have all capitalized on their opportunities. It takes work, not just talent will get you there; most that have managed to still be in the biz in some capacity have obviously put that effort in and they are getting paid.

    Rock on, idolettes, rock on.:-)

  • Elliegrll

    That is, why his headlining gigs dried up pretty quickly IMO,

    This isn’t what I remember, especially since he was still headlining one offs while opening for Lifehouse at the end of the year. From the start Kris’ tour was a combination of opening and headlining gigs. When he first started, he only had about 20 opening dates set, but he continued to add shows as the year went on, and scheduled them in between the shows that he had with Lifehouse, Maroon 5 and others.

  • steph6449

    Adam actually makes more money if they are sold for more than Ticketmaster face value prices? We paid Stub Hub prices, which were considerably more than face value. But then, we do that for other popular artists too (to get better seating).

    How would the artist make more money for a ticket bought with a reseller… The extra money would go to the ticket resale broker, and the entity who bought the ticket at face value and resold at a premium. The American way, lol :)

  • jewels

    This isn’t what I remember, especially since he was still headlining one offs while opening for Lifehouse at the end of the year.

    Oh sorry I think my earlier post was a little confusing. Obviously I didn’t mean it was impossible for Kris to get a headlining gig, I even mentioned the gigs he got towards the end of the year lol. What I meant he was no longer being booked to headline places where they could even generate $50k to pay him. Those 400 seater ‘supper clubs’ he was headlining toward the end of the year might have brought in revenue of $20k for a sellout at $50 a seat (and I assume the tickets were actually more likely in the $10-20 range given the venue size.)

  • girlygirl

    Unless Adam somehow had a secret deal with StubHub or other re-seller sites, he wouldn’t see a penny of that additional money.

    I have heard stories about artists working with scalpers (er, re-sellers) to buy up tickets themselves and re-sell them on sites like StubHub in order that the artist makes more money, but there’s no evidence that Adam or anyone connected with him would have done this

  • Mel1

    The number I would really like to know is what people actually paid for tickets to GNT — because so many tickets were sold on secondary markets for much more than face value. It is another way for artists, the band and others to make additional money.

    I was interpreting this as Adam was making more money from the resellers bumped up prices.

  • Elliegrll

    Oh sorry I think my earlier post was a little confusing. Obviously I didn’t mean it was impossible for Kris to get a headlining gig, I even mentioned the gigs he got towards the end of the year lol. What I meant he was no longer being booked to headline places where they could even generate $50k to pay him. Those 400 seater ‘supper clubs’ he was headlining toward the end of the year might have brought in revenue of $20k for a sellout at $50 a seat (and I assume the tickets were actually more likely in the $10-20 range given the venue size.)

    Well, if he was playing supper clubs as you say, they could have paid him his $50K asking price, because their profit would be coming from people buying the food, and not the price that it cost to get in the door, which is why the ticket prices are only around $10, but there are minimum requirements on what people are expected to spend. The whole purpose of these types of clubs is to get people to buy the food, and the act is there just to bring people into the club. I won’t pretend to be one of those people who know for sure how much a club made, since the only people who would have access to these facts are Kris and the managers at these clubs, but he must have been doing something right, since they keep booking him, and since he’s able to continue to bring the whole band along with him to these one off dates. Kris has to pay four other band members, a guitar tech, sound tech, and tour manager from what he earns from these gigs, so it’s highly unlikely that he would have still been playing full band gigs at the end of the year, if he wasn’t being paid well for these shows.

    I don’t remember too many supper clubs at the end of the year, but I do remember Kris headlining a show at Valparaiso University and another at the Marquee Club in Oklahoma. Neither is actually a supper club. As I recall, most of the clubs that Kris played at were venues where the main purpose was hosting concerts, not just having background music while people ate, which would be my definition of a supper club. I wouldn’t have minded if he had played a regular club, supper or otherwise, since that would have introduced him to new people, but that wasn’t the case with the vast majority of the venues that he played.

    Most of the clubs were also places where David Cook and Daughtry played during their first solo tours, so it’s not a surprise that 19 would book some of the same places for Kris.

  • Montavilla

    I have no idea where the $70K average came from.

    I’m guilty of throwing that out. It was the number that I kept seeing when I checked the concert stats numbers last year. Obviously, not all concerts (since some were at larger venues), but in general. Again, I’m glad to hear that the average was higher.

    So, Girlygirl, are the expenses deducted before the 85/15 split — are those on the artist’s end or the house end or both? I mean, does it include the travel expenses for the act, fees for the musicians, roadies, and such? Or it is the house expenses — such as local security, permits, in-house techies, non-brown m&ms, etc?

    Again, I’m just insanely curious. And thanks to everyone for correcting my assumptions. I’m very happy to get more specific information.

    And I’d just like to give a shout-out to Ross for reminding us that no one is starving. :) So true.

  • jewels

    Well, if he was playing supper clubs as you say, they could have paid him his $50K asking price, because their profit would be coming from people buying the food, and not the price that it cost to get in the door, which is why the ticket prices are only around $10, but there are minimum requirements on what people are expected to spend

    So if the make you pay $10 to get in that is $4k on a 400 seater sellout. In order to pay kris $50k they’d have to set a minimum spend of $115 per person and that is just to pay Kris – not even considering their own overheads. I’m sorry, I’m not trying to put Kris down, he is doing just fine, but the figures just don’t add up.

    I don’t remember too many supper clubs at the end of the year, but I do remember Kris headlining a show at Valparaiso University and another at the Marquee Club in Oklahoma.

    You are arguing semantics – I’m not talking literal supper clubs, I’m talking venues that hold 4-600 people and couldn’t possibly afford to pay artists $50k. The Marquee Club fits the ‘supper club’ capacity and I’m guessing the student union hall doesn’t hold a whole lot more.

    If literal supper clubs make up the extra $46k through selling food, how does the Marquee Club make up the defecit? That is a HUGE minimum spend for just drinks!

    Lijke I said, I’m NOT trying to put Kris down, he is doing just fine, but there is simply no way he is getting $50k for an ability to sell around 4-600 tickets. It just doesn’t make a lick of financial sense.

  • kokko

    if (Kris) was playing supper clubs…they could have paid his $50K asking price because their profit would be coming from people buying the food

    Well if the venue is say 400 capacity, and people are paying $20 to get in = $8,000, if Kris is getting a guaranteed fee of $50,000 that means the supper club has to get $42,000 from food just to break even, and even for a full capacity crowd that average at least $105 spent per person, and that’ll just cover the costs of $50K paid, to really make a profit out of paying the overheads plus employees etc, the average customer has to spend way over $105 per person on food (remember they also need to pay the $20 admission), and we are talking a full capacity we know that isn’t mostly the case for Kris, so I really have a problem in believing those venues will offer $50K to book Kris.

    I don’t know how much Kris can command, and why he is not on the list, he might be still asking for $50K a gig but I don’t believe right now too many venues are willing to pay him that much for his solo appearance.

  • limi

    Interesting speculative conversation going on here! I read about a month ago, can’t remember where, that Adam was now worth between 5-6 million after his two years post idol. Sorry I don’t remember the source.

  • steph6449

    I would think one answer for a club’s booking a $50K (for discussion sake) act that they apparently can’t afford, is that they don’t book $50K acts every single night. Maybe on a night to night basis, most of their acts are local or less well known. But on some regular but not constant basis, they bring in better known acts at higher cost to keep a higher profile. Averaged out over time, it may pay for them to do that.

    And I don’t know if there is any factor if a radio station or some other company is involved in sponsoring an appearance. Maybe that helps defray some of the bills. Or, maybe the artist’s team will do a date for a little less depending on the circumstances, as in the example I gave with Danny where small clubs on the way to a well-paying appearance seem to be able to book him at a (comparative) coupon rate. Lol.

  • Avari

    I thought the list was an opening set of appearance booking fees..i.e. what you, as an event organizer would have to budget in order to book an idol for your live entertainment. It’s the sticker price on the car window. It’s the basis for negotiations, it doesn’t mean that’s what they actually get.

    Aren’t concert/tour revenues a whole different ball game? What the artist actually gets at the end of the day for performing in a concert that is part of a tour (particularly when the artist is paying the tour costs) has very little to do with their expected appearance fee, I would think.

    I think the stated fees on the list are probably pretty accurate starting points. IMO, the prices tend to reflect the artists’ relative fame/name recognition…and not necessarily anything else. And that’s what an event organizer is looking for…a recognized name to draw registrants to your event. The only thing on this list that I thought was a bit out of whack was the $50-60K for Kellie Pickler…but maybe she’s far more recognizable than I thought. (I don’t follow or listen to country, but I do think KP is adorable. :-) )

  • mmb

    Why are we conflating booking fees/ asking prices with touring fees/ profits????

  • Elliegrll

    You are arguing semantics – I’m not talking literal supper clubs

    Then what’s the point of calling them that, if that’s not what they are? Supper clubs mainstream of revenue isn’t the box office, so they are not the same type of venue as places where the main focus is putting on shows. To keep the conversation straight, it makes more sense to me to label things correctly.

    I’m guessing the student union hall doesn’t hold a whole lot more.

    Why guess, and was the concert actually held at a student union hall? We know that in most cases, if not every case, artist who play at colleges are paid from the student activity fee, and not from ticket prices, so I don’t get the point. BTW, estimates that I saw for the Valpo show put the crowd closer to 1,000, but that doesn’t change the original point that Valpo, just like the Marquee, isn’t a supper club. Most supper clubs that I’ve been to can’t hold 400 people at the same time.

    If literal supper clubs make up the extra $46k through selling food, how does the Marquee Club make up the defecit? That is a HUGE minimum spend for just drinks!

    I guess we’d have to call and ask them, instead of just throwing numbers out and calling them facts. The point is that Kris, like most acts, was opening in venues that varied in size throughout his tour last year, so, common sense would tell us that just like everyone else he would charge different fees depending on the size of the venue, as well as other factors, including the length of a set they wanted him to play. I was just showing you that playing in supper clubs might not be too bad, since the clubs’ owners would be focused more on people buying the food, and not so much on how much it cost for people to get into the club. Jewels, Do you have some actual information that shows how much a 400 seat venue would pay someone? I’m not comfortable about throwing out figures without the proof to back them up.

    The point is also this:

    Why are we conflating booking fees/ asking prices with touring fees/ profits????

    Nobody knows.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    That list is interesting, but I don’t know how current it is. I have no problem with artists who try to get as much for their services as possible.

    girlygirl says:
    06/12/2011 at 11:28 pm

    When the artist can command a guarantee at all, most deals are ones in which the artist will walk away with the LARGER amount of the flat guarantee OR their percent of the gross box office receipts AFTER all approved expenses and taxes have been deducted. In general, the percentage split is 85/15% although the biggest acts (the Springsteens, U2s, etc) can get 90/10 splits, while acts that are just starting out may get as low as a 50/50 split.

    For example, in the example I cited earlier, the deal terms were this: $60,000 guarantee VERSUS 85% of the Gross Box Office Receipts (GBOR) after all expenses, taxes are deducted, WHICHEVER IS THE GREATER AMOUNT. So let’s say you have a 2000 capacity venue where all the tickets are being sold for $50, and the show sells out. That would give you
    a starting GBOR of $100K. Then you would have to deduct the expenses and the taxes involved in putting on the show. If that total came to, for example, $25K, you’d be left with $75K for the GBOR, and on the 85/15% split, the artist would receive $63,750. Since that is more than the $60K guarantee, that’s what the artist would get. BUT if the expenses were, say, $40K, leaving you with an adjusted GBOR of $60K, 85% of that would only be $51K. In THAT case, the $60K guarantee is the greater amount, and that’s what the artist walks away with.

    Hope that’s clear :)

    Very clear, gg. Your explanation/scenario makes a lot of sense. I appreciate the insights/examples regarding the entertainment industry that you provide from your course. :)

  • Mary102

    Isn’t Adam actually more established than Jennifer as a live act though? Its all very well having an Oscar/Grammy but that doesn’t automaticalluy mean you can sell tickets to a live gig. JHud has ‘postponed’ her debut solo headlining tour so that she can concentrate on her other projects, but looking at her site, she is yet to sell out a 2000 seater showtent for one of the only live gigs that is still scheduled.

    As much as I love Adam, I think Jennifer’s cache with the oscar is enough to give her a higher fee, even though she is better known for acting than for performing live at this point.

    Regarding the other fees, some seem slightly out of date – IDK about Clay, who would be paying that now? So that doesn’t seem very accurate, and I would estimate Adam higher too – I think I read that the company named above has nothing to do with his live performances, so how would they know.

  • Tess

    I think the bottom line for “booking fees” is just to look and see what size venues someone is booked at and that correlates pretty closely with their asking price. Big names are booked at stadiums (50k seats +)…who else could pay a million bucks for a band. High end peeps play at Arenas (25k+)….top line play at concert halls (5-10k)….midline (1-5k)…and economy play at lounges, bars, small clubs, etc. The size of the venue has a lot to do with who gets booked. Now if the venue has other ways of making money because peeps show up for someone then the booking fee can go up accordingly (casinos, resorts, fairs, amusement parks, city sponsored events).

    So I say…just check to see what the gigs are and you can pretty well guess what someone gets.

  • Elliegrll

    Big names are booked at stadiums (50k seats +)…who else

    could pay a million bucks for a band. High end peeps play at Arenas (25k+)….top line play at concert halls (5-10k)….midline (1-5k)…and economy play at lounges, bars, small clubs, etc. The size of the venue has a lot to do with who gets booked. Now if the venue has other ways of making money because peeps show up for someone then the booking fee can go up accordingly (casinos, resorts, fairs, amusement parks, city sponsored events).

    So I say…just check to see what the gigs are and you can pretty well guess what someone gets.

    Except that artists, including the idol alums, play at all of these types of venues throughout the year. For example, Kelly came to my area late in 2009, and played in a club that barely seats 300 people. She had a few club dates that year, as well as some headlining dates in larger venues that seated a few thousand. Considering this, I’d think that she would be able to charge the 300 seat club a little more than most of of the acts that they normally book.

  • mmb

    I was always under the impression that the big arenas, stadiums etc were paid by the artists, not the other way around. That is one reason why only the very biggest names, for example, play Madison square garden- because it is expensive to book the venue and you have to sell a lot of tickets to make money. Big arenas and stadiums aren’t going out and booking acts- the acts and concert promoters come to them and book them. I guess it’s different for small and midsize venues that fo nothing except hold concerts

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    Why are we arguing about an Idol who isn’t even on the list?

  • HermeticallySealed

    These price lists are clearly not for touring, but for if someone is requesting the artist to appear somewhere. No artist or their people are going to book a show at a venue by calling up the place and say, “I want to appear at your club for my tour, pay me 50k.” Venues charge to rent their space to the artist, and most websites list this price.

  • mmb

    These price lists are clearly not for touring, but for if someone is requesting the artist to appear somewhere. No artist or their people are going to book a show at a venue by calling up the place and say, “I want to appear at your club for my tour, pay me 50k.” Venues charge to rent their space to the artist, and most websites list this price.

    Exactly. We had the same thought at the same time LOl. These booking fees are not reflective of what these artists make Orr concert while on tour

  • Duke

    Adam’s is surprisingly low…i guess i know what ill be saving for when i get out of college..

  • Mel1

    These price lists are clearly not for touring, but for if someone is requesting the artist to appear somewhere.

    What do you mean by appear somewhere? I hope they get something out of the $500K Carrie is charging.

  • tls62

    This whole discussion is so funny. I could be totally off base, but my impression is that these numbers are for private gigs, and are starting points. Seems many factors would come into play when you try booking a gig with one of these artists. How many songs? How long is the artist expected to stay? Do they have to mingle with the guests? Sign autographs? Travel expenses? Full band needed?

    Didn’t Adam do a private birthday gig in New Orleans right after the Idol Tour ended for some rich guy who’s wife had everything and he just HAD to surprise her with Adam? I remember a waiter from the event throwing out a huge number the guy paid to get Adam there. My point being, it’s all in how bad you want these people and what you’re willing to pay for your specific gig IMO.

  • mmb

    What do you mean by appear somewhere? I hope they get something out of the $500K Carrie is charging.

    Private parties, corporate and charity events, private concerts, etc. Believe it or not, there are people who hire big names for bar mitzvahs and weddings. That is what booking fees are for

  • Mel1

    Private parties, corporate and charity events, private concerts, etc. Believe it or not, there are people who hire big names for bar mitzvahs and weddings. That is what booking fees are for

    That makes more sense than booking Kris for $50K at a club and expecting to sell tickets grossing ~$10K. Nevertheless, I’m surprised he charges as much as Cook and Adam.

  • Montavilla

    Private parties, corporate and charity events, private concerts, etc. Believe it or not, there are people who hire big names for bar mitzvahs and weddings. That is what booking fees are for

    I keep flashing back to an episode of Entourage, where the star is booked for a private gig. The fee he gets is $250,000 to sing one song to the teenage birthday girl.

    Of course that’s fictional, but the situations are usually based on ones that Hollywood stars encounter. It doesn’t surprise me all that much that people who make millions would pay that much to have a celebrity show up. They have to spend it on something.

    I’ve read accounts of Clay’s fans bidding upwards of $20,000 on a charity lunch date with him. So, probably he does get $85,000+ for a professional booking. He may not have as many fans as he once did, but the ones he’s got are fierce.

    And I’ll apologize for side-tracking the discussion last night. I asked a question about tour fees for opening acts — and got some interesting answers, for which I thank people. They were questions I’d been curious about for some time and this was the first topic I’d seen that came near to discussing that.

  • Tess

    Private parties, corporate and charity events, private concerts, etc. Believe it or not, there are people who hire big names for bar mitzvahs and weddings. That is what booking fees are for

    And some singers find that these type of events are enough to keep their heads above water and allow them to “play” the smaller gigs where they can try out new material and get a chance to hone their tour songs.

    And, I must add, that singers do get paid “big” bucks to perform at charity events…they aren’t doing it solely out of the goodness of their hearts.

  • Oksana2000

    Didn’t Adam do a private birthday gig in New Orleans right after the Idol Tour ended for some rich guy who’s wife had everything and he just HAD to surprise her with Adam? I remember a waiter from the event throwing out a huge number the guy paid to get Adam there.

    I remember number being around $60,000. Not bad for a day work right off AI.
    No wonder that Pia got $100,000 gig as well.

  • Mel1

    And, I must add, that singers do get paid “big” bucks to perform at charity events…they aren’t doing it solely out of the goodness of their hearts.

    Of course. It’s a win, win booking. Good for their image, they get paid well, and they don’t have to worry about selling tickets.

  • tls62

    I remember number being around $60,000. Not bad for a day work right off AI.

    Didn’t the waiter also throw out there that the husband gave Adam a huge VISA gift card in addition to the booking fee? An added incentive to get him to agree as I recall.

    Clay’s fee doesn’t shock me. If you’re rich and really like the guy, you’ll pay it. I have no doubt he gets takers. It’s all in who you like and how deep your pockets are. :)

  • Listening

    Guys those prices listed has to be for private performances otherwise it doesn’t add up. You’re simply not gonna pay 50K for an act and sell out a theater that only holds like 2000 people you’ll lose money.

    I do see Adam getting booked at higher prices than David though now b/c of the comments other posters already mentioned. I previously thought something was up b/c I was like David is an actual winner and his album sold more in the US but then people said Adam had Allison w/ him and Orianthi as well as costume changes (at least i’m pretty sure he changed outfits)lights and dancers w/ all that you’d have to pay more you got 3 acts instead of 1 and they all had their own fan base.

  • sylve

    You’re right when u say CLAY may not have as many fans as he once did ,but the ones he does have are FIERCE.& I’M ONE OF THEM. ALWAYS WILL BE.Here to stay.Sorry for the ones who defected.Were not true fans to begin with. Should be about his singing, love of family, his foundation for helping disadvantaged kids,his work with UNICEF,which, by the way he pays for his own trips wherever he is sent, & he is a very humble person ,which in my opinion makes him # 1 in my book. “tennie”

  • Barometz02

    @Listenin

    Cook’s tour had opening acts such as The Script, Green River Ordinance and Ryan Star.

  • Fullmoon

    I don’t think booking fees has anything to do with if you won a reality TV show or not.

  • Mel1

    I do see Adam getting booked at higher prices than David though now b/c of the comments other posters already mentioned. I previously thought something was up b/c I was like David is an actual winner and his album sold more in the US but then people said Adam had Allison w/ him and Orianthi as well as costume changes (at least i’m pretty sure he changed outfits)lights and dancers w/ all that you’d have to pay more you got 3 acts instead of 1 and they all had their own fan base.

    I don’t remember reading posts where people said Adam should be getting a higher fee than David. Do you mean Kris? I don’t think having openers has anything to do with fees. They all have them. David and Kris had them. As a matter of fact, David’s openers were more established than Adam’s openers. What does costume changes have to do with anything?

  • http://emuisemo.pbworks.com eilonwy

    I don’t think booking fees has anything to do with if you won a reality TV show or not.

    Bingo. If one looks at the full list, $30-50k appears to be some kind of default range for acts that have some form of big public success (radio hit, placed high on Idol, etc.) but aren’t the absolute hugest things out there. There are also non-reality-show acts that purportedly command much higher fees.

  • koshka

    These numbers mean nothing to me.. to be honest. It has little to do with the artist’s relative worth. I imagine it has a lot to do with how often they would like to get booked. Its not just about demand. Clay could very well be asking for that kind of $$ because he doesn’t wish to do lots of private gigs, so he sets his prices higher and when some one can pay that amount .. all the better for him.

  • Listening

    Barometz02, Oh yeah you’re right well Adam most of the time got 3 acts while David got 2. I still figure Allison and Orianthi got more buzz than any of David’s acts Allison b/c she just came off Idol and Orianthi b/c she was going to tour w/ Michael Jackson. The only big name act of David’s I knew was the script all of the others weren’t really known by the public at least I didn’t know them. I mean once you heard their music you realized they had some good stuff it’s just that w/ David is basically the first time I ever heard of them.

  • Moria Polonius

    Duke says:
    06/13/2011 at 10:32 am

    Adam’s is surprisingly low…i guess i know what ill be saving for when i get out of college..

    No point saving! In a few years, when you finish college, he’ll either be a has-been with a much lower booking fee, or he’ll be a superstar whom you’ll never be able to afford anyway! ;P

  • Mel1

    At the concerts I went to, many people didn’t even know who Allison or Orianthi were. They just recorded their first albums and neither sold very well. There wasn’t one person I talked to who bought tickets just to see Allison or Orianthi. Esp, since tickets were difficult to get, and I don’t think they would have paid $200 to see them for 20-30 minutes.

  • Mel1

    Can you imagine 200 Adam fans pulling together $30-$40K and booking him for their private concert. It would only amount to $150-$200 ea. Cook fans can do the same.

  • Fullmoon

    Orianthi left midway through the leg of the US tour. Opening acts generally as a rule don’t get paid to be part of a tour with a popular headliner, if anything they pay to be a part of it. The benefit to that is promo and exposure to more fans. I doubt that either was being paid but if they did it was very little, enough to cover basic costs. Costume change has nothing to do with booking fees. As for the dancers their pay would be no less than probably the required union fee of taking on job. None of the dancers were household names were they can demand a fee above that. Except for probably Brooke who was Adam’s choreographer. The only thing elaborate about Adam’s tour was the lasers. David and Adam fees are very close. My guess for Adam being slightly higher is that he is more newer to the scene and David has been away for a while so Adam as of right now has a better name recognition and just came of a popular sold out tour. He has build a reputation of a strong live performer that can fill venues and turn over a profit. David also has a reputation of being a strong performer but since he’s been away awhile and the music and touring scene has changed he just needs to get his mojo back and remind people of him and build his fan base back up. When it comes to touring David has no problems and those fees will go up same with Adam. What is more important if promoters are willing to pay your fees because they know they can make a profit of you and all is relevant to venue size and overhead cost. If your demanding 30-50k and they aren’t willing to pay most likely they think the fee isn’t worth it and they can’t make a profit out of it. If your demanding a “guarantee” fee you better be able to fill seats. Promoters have a way of knowing by reputation of a live act if you can sell out and make money for them. They will approach you if they are interested but if the price isn’t right and can’t see the bottom line you aren’t getting 30-50k or whatever “guarantee” your asking for. JMO of course.

  • Elliegrll

    If your demanding a “guarantee” fee you better be able to fill seats. Promoters have a way of knowing by reputation of a live act if you can sell out and make money for them. They will approach you if they are interested but if the price isn’t right and can’t see the bottom line you aren’t getting 30-50k or whatever “guarantee” your asking for. JMO of course.

    Or, it could be as simple as not being able to afford someone’s guarantee or base figure. Not every school can afford to pay Carrie Underwood $500,000.

  • fusion8

    Those fees are for private events. remember MTV’s “My sweet sixteen”(or something like that). these fees are for those kind of events. not for full on concert, just a couple or few songs, say something nice to the celebrant or event, greet and meet some people, and you’re off to go.

  • Moria Polonius

    Can you imagine 200 Adam fans pulling together $30-$40K and booking him for their private concert. It would only amount to $150-$200 ea. Cook fans can do the same.

    Plus something for the venue because if one’s going to enjoy Adam singing in an intimate setting, the venue should be nice. I’d pony up!

  • ross

    Those fees are for private events. remember MTV’s “My sweet sixteen”(or something like that). these fees are for those kind of events. not for full on concert, just a couple or few songs, say something nice to the celebrant or event, greet and meet some people, and you’re off to go.

    I think I already mentioned the Mint Julep Ball at the Kentucky Derby, which Jordin and Kris recently appeared at. They were introduced by Bob Costas. The event charged 500 – 750 dollars a plate. It was a charity event. There’s a red carpet and the celebs and guests can mingle later, I think. While it wasn’t a full on concert and I have no idea how much music was played, it seems there was dancing and a concert type atmosphere and people enjoyed the entertainment and referred to both Idol winners as “amazing.” So I think this is more the type of event that would be applicable, and again I don’t see why the Idols in question would not be worth the fee since they provided great entertainmant and are American Idol winners.

    girlygirl replied to CindyM

    A venue tweeted that Kris’s asked-for guarantee was $50K when explaining why it was too expensive for them to book him at their club

    No reason to doubt what girlygirl said, since she obviously saw the tweet. Why try to prove that the fee was only for private events, when she clearly said, “a venue tweeted” and just as clearly wrote what the amount was? I guess you can choose to disbelieve it, but I (who really don’t even care what people make, frankly) choose to believe it, because it seems unlikely a venue would tweet that, were it false. They’d have no reason.

  • isisdagmar

    So, to sum up what I have gleaned from this thread:

    1) Clay Aiken’s fee seems really high for someone who’s not popular anymore

    2) Adam’s fee is certainly higher than Kris’s because he’s more successful, but Kris’s fee could be 50K if this list is out of date (making Adam’s fee higher than 50K, possibly David Cook’s too)

    3) I wish I could sing/had no sense of embarrassment because this show seems to make even the less successful people a fair amount of money, lol.

  • isisdagmar

    4) Carrie and Kelly and Daughtry are really super rich. also at this point wouldn’t carrie’s fee be higher than kelly’s? Or no?

  • McCreerian

    Reminder:

    Why are we arguing about an Idol who isn’t even on the list?

    haha just the same tired S8 fanwars…

  • Mel1

    If Kris makes $50K for a small part in an event, then why was anyone questioning that Adam made $75K in Moscow for an actual concert? Frankly, I thought he would have made more.

  • Barometz02

    A venue tweeted that Kris’s asked-for guarantee was $50K when explaining why it was too expensive for them to book him at their club

    Can you tell me the name of the venue that tweeted it?

  • Oksana2000

    McCreerian says:
    06/13/2011 at 6:06 pm
    haha just the same tired S8 fanwars…

    I’m waiting with supply of popcorn for brand new, fresh S10 fanwars… (Season 9 didn’t happen, right?)

  • sylve

    To isisdagmar:What makes u think CLAY is not popular anymore?He has the right to pick & choose when & where he wants to perform.I know thats your opinion ,but to make it sound so concrete is ,in my opinion , misleading.

    To isisdagmar:For u to say CLAY is not popular anymore, in my opinion, is misleading. Did u take a poll or something?How did u come to that conclusion?Iknow that’s your opinion, & u have every right to your opinion, but please don’t try to speak for anyone else.At least not for me. “tennie”

  • Elliegrll

    If Kris makes $50K for a small part in an event, then why was anyone questioning that Adam made $75K in Moscow for an actual concert? Frankly, I thought he would have made more.

    Did someone question it? If Kris was a small part of the Mint Jubilee Ball, then Adam was also a small part of the festival in Moscow, since he was one of several singers who performed. Maybe what people were questioning is how would anyone know that Adam made $70K to perform. It seems like it’s a figure that came about only because there was a tweet from some venue that said that Kris was asking for a guarantee of $50K. It’s perfectly believable that he would be offered that much money, but based on the way the thread has gone, and your own repeated posts that Adam has to be paid more than Kris, it seems like the figure was just thrown out to make it clear that Adam’s booking price is more than what Kris gets.

  • Eileen99

    A venue tweeted that Kris’s asked-for guarantee was $50K when explaining why it was too expensive for them to book him at their club

    Can you tell me the name of the venue that tweeted it?

    Lots of people saw the tweets, including me, but disclosing the name of the venue doesn’t seem like a very good idea to me. I can just imagine the phone calls they might get, with people demanding to know all the details about Kris’ booking fees, judging by what a sensitive topic this has seemed to be for some.

  • ross

    If Kris makes $50K for a small part in an event

    You mean the Mint Jubilee Ball? Jordin and Kris headlined the event. He didn’t have a small part.

    Jordin Sparks And Kris Allen To Headline Celebrity Charity Mint Jubilee

    There was a thread for the event here on the blog.

    Jordin Sparks and Kris Allen perform at the Kentucky Derby Mint Jubilee

    (“the finale was another American Idol star named Kris Allen who I had little expectations for, but put on a fantastic show…”)

    I suppose you could disagree, but Jordin and Kris, being American Idol winners, can be relied upon to put on a good show, on a consistent basis – so they’re well paid for it. Idol winners are usually good performers. Whether they happen to be your cup of tea or not, winners can expect to be paid well for their performances. Their talents are usually in demand. This is not really a surprise to most people, imho.

  • ross

    oops, nvm

  • isisdagmar

    To isisdagmar:For u to say CLAY is not popular anymore, in my opinion, is misleading. Did u take a poll or something?How did u come to that conclusion?Iknow that’s your opinion, & u have every right to your opinion, but please don’t try to speak for anyone else.At least not for me

    Er…I wasn’t trying to “speak for anyone else” and didn’t mean that he has no fans, or something. obvs he does. I just mean that he’s not ~popular in the sense of having mainstream success right now.

    I mean, that’s a pretty clear fact, right? In terms of the discussion about fees, some of these things seem to be facts:

    Clay does not seem popular enough to command that fee.

    Adam is more successful/popular than Kris, and will therefore command a higher fee, whatever Kris’s fee is (since i gather that’s being hotly disputed on both sides, lol). Though it doesn’t seem out of the question to me that Kris could earn 50K, if this list is old and some of the others’ fees are now higher.

    Kelly, Carrie, and Daughtry command really high fees because they are clearly the most successful.

    Those are just factual statements, not attempts to speak for other people. :)

  • Elliegrll

    Clay does not seem popular enough to command that fee.

    Adam is more successful/popular than Kris, and will therefore command a higher fee

    I think people can command whatever these promoters, bookers, corporations etc. are willing to pay them. Clay’s popularity was clearly waning when he joined Spamalot, he was several years removed from AI, and he never truly had a radio presence, but the producers of that show gave him a cut of the boxoffice. That type of thing is unheard of. His mainstream popularity was non existent when PBS decided to launch a big fundraising drive around him, and when some promoter launched a tour featuring him and Ruben.

    Taylor Hick’s had no record deal, or a strong mainstream presence, but the producers of Grease paid him a couple of million for just fifteen or twenty minutes of work a night, and promoted him as the focal point of their show.

    There are a lot of older acts who haven’t released music for decades, but they are still in demand for music festivals and private events. There are some sites that list how much these people are asking for, and for some of them, it’s a lot more than what the idols on this list are getting.

    What Kris is getting has nothing to do with Adam, and vice versa.

  • Fullmoon

    If Kris makes $50K for a small part in an event, then why was anyone questioning that Adam made $75K in Moscow for an actual concert? Frankly, I thought he would have made more.

    Did someone question it?

    I don’t see any post questioning Adam’s 75k fee.

    It seems like it’s a figure that came about only because there was a tweet from some venue that said that Kris was asking for a guarantee of $50K.

    Kris wasn’t on the list so there is no bases to determine what his booking fee is. The last known fee we know of is from the smoking gun article.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/drake/who-rascal-flatts-guy-and-why-he-earning-702500-gig

    It seems like the tweet came only when Adam’s name was on the list and was used along side to determine Kris worth. Cook was on the list also why not use him as a reference. Since Cook is an actual Idol winner.

    What Kris is getting has nothing to do with Adam, and vice versa

    Agree. I’m not sure why Adam’s name keeps being used as a reference point when it comes to Kris. I brought up the 75k fee because I questioned how up to date the #’s were and none of my posts questioned Kris’ fee. Kris never entered my thought because I just don’t see these two artists career related in any way. He wasn’t even on the list.

  • Elliegrll

    Kris wasn’t on the list so there is no bases to determine what is booking fee is. The last known fee we know of is from the smoking gun article.

    The Smoking Gun piece mentions tours, and I think we’ve pretty much established the point that these fees don’t refer to touring.

    I’m not sure why Adam’s name keeps being used as a reference point when it comes to Kris

    It doesn’t matter, but I’m pretty sure that’s not how the discussion spiraled out of control. No comparison to anyone was being made when the tweet was mentioned, and no one was being used as a reference point. Why would they be, since each artist’s asking price has nothing to do with what any of the others are getting, whether they won AI or not? The purpose of posting about the tweet was just to show what one venue said about Kris’ booking fees. For some reason, that the price mentioned was the same as what is mentioned for Adam on this list, seemed to be an issue. I think that’s when the comparisons and reference points started.

  • Fullmoon

    The Smoking Gun piece mentions tours, and I think we’ve pretty much established the point that these fees don’t refer to touring.

    Oh Ok.

    ross says:
    06/13/2011 at 5:34 pm
    girlygirl replied to CindyM

    A venue tweeted that Kris’s asked-for guarantee was $50K when explaining why it was too expensive for them to book him at their club

    No reason to doubt what girlygirl said, since she obviously saw the tweet. Why try to prove that the fee was only for private events, when she clearly said, “a venue tweeted” and just as clearly wrote what the amount was?

    So if the 50k was quoted in reference with a tweet regarding “a venue” than there really is no knowledge of what Kris’ booking fees are in relations to private events.

  • isisdagmar

    I think people can command whatever these promoters, bookers, corporations etc. are willing to pay them. Clay’s popularity was clearly waning when he joined Spamalot, he was several years removed from AI, and he never truly had a radio presence, but the producers of that show gave him a cut of the boxoffice. That type of thing is unheard of. His mainstream popularity was non existent when PBS decided to launch a big fundraising drive around him, and when some promoter launched a tour featuring him and Ruben.

    Taylor Hick’s had no record deal, or a strong mainstream presence, but the producers of Grease paid him a couple of million for just fifteen or twenty minutes of work a night, and promoted him as the focal point of their show.

    There are a lot of older acts who haven’t released music for decades, but they are still in demand for music festivals and private events. There are some sites that list how much these people are asking for, and for some of them, it’s a lot more than what the idols on this list are getting.

    What Kris is getting has nothing to do with Adam, and vice versa.

    Sure, I can imagine that legendary performers would still command huge fees even years after they stop making music…but culturally irrelevant american idol winners and runners-up? I mean, given what you say about Taylor Hicks, I guess it’s true. But wow, lol, I can’t imagine why those people would be a draw. But I guess that’s probably because they’re not a draw to people my age.

    And of course their fees don’t depend on each other–wasn’t the discussion that people were trying to figure out if the list is up to date? And then someone said that a venue said in a tweet that kris was asking for 50k, so if that’s true, people figured that the list must be out of date because adam (and possibly david cook?) would obviously be worth more than kris since he’s more successful and popular? I can see how that discussion would rub some people the wrong way, but it did seem like fans of both were using it as a reference point: “If Kris is making 50K now, Adam must clearly be making more than that now.” “If Adam was making 50K then, Kris could have gone up to 50K by now.” I can see how the discussion started.

    Which, sure, probably has some fan war elements. Though I don’t see why–Adam’s success indicates that he obviously commands a higher price than Kris, but it’s not like Kris is such a failure that he couldn’t command a good price, so fans of both should be happy, yes?)

    It doesn’t seem to me like being a winner or a runner-up has much to do with fees because people don’t really care that much about that outside the idol bubble: the top 4 earners are two winners, a 4th place, and a 7th place. Though sure, as Ross says, maybe the attention of being “top 2″ on idol helps because people at least know you can sing and perform.

    But obviously a lot of the fees do depend on how well you do after the show is over. or maybe it depends–at least to start–on whoever in the season is considered the best artist/singer/performer, who gets the critical acclaim and awards, or sales, since that often seems to not be the winner–as was the case with Daughtry, Adam, and Jennifer to some extent. And then of course you have Kelly and Carrie.

  • agathe.hb

    isisdagmar, I could not agree more :)
    I am happy for all these people to be able to make good money, especially in today’s economy….
    I wonder about this season’s contestants… Scotty and Lauren should just fine considering their genre, but what about the rest? I have a feeling that with all new singing shows the market is very quickly becoming oversaturated….. and the best sign for this are lower tour fees paid to the contestants :(

  • sylve

    Just look how far CLAY has come WITHOUT radio play. I don’t blame him for not succumbing to PAYOLA.He has done VERY well without following the crowd.

  • workdog

    But wow, lol, I can’t imagine why those people would be a draw.

    Eh; why does anyone follow an artist so strongly? Taste is subjective and it’s not out of the realm that there are those out there that would certainly meet those fees. One person’s culturally irrelevant is another one’s “wouldn’t give a second thought” to pay and see that “irrelevant” artist. I’m not sure why it seems like if they aren’t necessarily someone’s cuppa that it means they aren’t for someone else and the point has to be driven home repeatedly. It’s odd, for me.

    I think they are all thanking their stars for having been on Idol and through it’s “machine”; they got a great start, learned some ropes and those “gettin’ paid” have been/are working it. Good on ya, idolettes; get that paper.:-)

  • easyrider707

    Someone is drinking too much spiked cool aid on most of these ranges and the actual logic of the apearances do not correspond to these numbers. I know what Adele just got here and what a friend of mine paid to get Jimmy Buffet at his daughters wedding. Too many variable.

  • ross

    It doesn’t seem to me like being a winner or a runner-up has much to do with fees because people don’t really care that much about that outside the idol bubble: the top 4 earners are two winners, a 4th place, and a 7th place. Though sure, as Ross says, maybe the attention of being “top 2? on idol helps because people at least know you can sing and perform.

    I was only talking about Idol winners. I was answering someone who kept repeatedly questioning why Kris should be able to ask for a certain amount of money for his performances. I made the point that Idol winners have a reputation for being reliable performers and good entertainers. I didn’t say Top 2.

  • Maura73

    According to Lindsey Parker, these numbers are accurate.
    She also found out what Kris’s asking price is: “According to Hyman, Season 8 winner Kris Allen, who is not listed on Degy’s pricing sheet, earns about the same as Lee or Crystal per concert, between $15,000 and $25,000.”

    http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/422590/whats-the-price-of-an-idol/

  • isisdagmar

    I was only talking about Idol winners. I was answering someone who kept repeatedly questioning why Kris should be able to ask for a certain amount of money for his performances. I made the point that Idol winners have a reputation for being reliable performers and good entertainers. I didn’t say Top 2.

    Oh sorry, I misread, or was just being really spacey. The “good live performer” thing does seem to extend to at least the top two–or maybe just any performer who does well and is considered really good in the top 10–but I see now that you were specifically answering that question. Sorry, I’m a space cadet sometimes.

    Although…based on what Lindsey Parker found out, doesn’t it seem like Kris can’t automatically ask for that kind of fee? Which is sort of what I was saying–it only goes so far, to win or get second or do well at all on idol. A lot of it depends on how well you do in the real world.

    (not that 15k-25K isn’t good, obviously that’s a really nice living. Just, clearly doing well on idol doesn’t mean you get 50K per appearance forever. Although I’m still kind of mystified about Clay’s fee, but obviously I don’t know how this all works.)