American Idol 10 Top 13 Will be Taped on Tuesday

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Chatter on twitter indicates that the emails to viewers selected for this week’s Idol audience have gone out, and that the Top 13 Idol episode will be taped ahead of time on Tuesday March 8 to air on Wednesday March 9.

I guess Nigel still feels there are a few technical kinks to work out. I’ve been poking around my archives, and I am pretty sure taping the first couple of weeks for “live” broadcast is not unprecedented.

The years Nigel has been in charge–every season but 8 and 9-the first week of “live” shows have always been taped.

At any rate, if you’re going to Tuesday’s taping and would like to help me post song spoilers, contact me at mjsbigblog at gmail dot com.

Thank you!

UPDATE: Now that I think about it, I wonder if it has more to do with the new judges’ panel than, say, manipulating the contestants? There may be some concern that the panel isn’t quite ready for prime time yet.

UPDATE2: Nigel has been reading your tweets! “There is a load of crap being discussed all the contestants sing ‘live.’ The show has always been recorded to the West Coast…We are pre-taping for 2 weeks as we have a new Director & new judges. It has nothing to do with manipulation you morons.”

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  • girlygirl

    even if it isn’t unprecedented, it’s a bad idea. because these kids will have to sing live sooner or later, and it just opens the show up for more charges of producer manipulation if they allow the contestants to sing the same song more than one time under the guise of “technical difficulties”

    if something goes wrong, it goes wrong. it’s not the end of the world — it’s happened before on AI, and everyone survived and the show continued on.

    also, do we know if they are dumping the cheesy group numbers this season?

  • cookbunny

    It sounds to me like this will be the norm (taping the performance shows ahead) so that they can be edited to the producer’s liking AND for time. It seems the last two years they were more concerned with avoiding spoilers but not with the show running over. I think Nigel is more concerned with both putting together a good show and sees spoilers as bringing more hype to the program.

  • ross

    if something goes wrong, it goes wrong. it’s not the end of the world — it’s happened before on AI, and everyone survived and the show continued on.

    The whole show could have been taped for all these seasons, but being live is what makes it special. Things going wrong are not only not the end of the world, they’re part of the excitement of watching a live show.
    I don’t see any reason to be taping the episodes at this point.

  • Valentin432

    Not crazy about this.
    I like spoilers as much as the next guy but I hope it’s only to fix some problems and this isn’t a change for the rest of the season.

  • sr4mjc

    This is crap. Make them sing live, if they suck, mess up the words, puke, whatever. That’s the beauty of the show. Eventually they’ll have to and it’ll be more of a shock.

  • chessguy99

    I noticed the guys last week was edited to highlight TPTB favorites. James got extended audience reaction shots, while Paul seemed to cut right from the end of his performance to Steven’s comments. I’m sure they’ll use subtle edits to make performances better or worse looking/sounding. I found it interesting some contestants last week sounded like somebody was recording with a Flip camera, and other like it was a big budget motion picture. Its going to be interesting to see who they diminish and who they enhance.

  • JMatt

    Not a fan of pre-taped. Jim Cantiello detected vocal enhancement on a couple of the contestants last week, hate to see that continue. If you build someone up with enhancements, and then their live performances don’t measure up, I think you’ll get a backlash. It’s always been a “show” with manipulation, but they’re taking it to extremes this year and it all feels very canned.

  • Buffynut

    Wow! Do not like this idea at all!

  • CindyM

    Sounds like they’re trying to manipulate the audience like so many people say the X-Factor does. I saw Jim C’s comments on the vocal enhancements for a few contestants, you could definitely tell something was up.

  • primeminister

    Not a fan of pre-taped. Jim Cantiello detected vocal enhancement on a couple of the contestants last week, hate to see that continue.

    I noticed the different lengths of audience applause (contradicting what the spoilers said that only the last three received standing ovations). Lauren A’s last note definitely had some reverbing going on. I love spoilers, but I hate pre-recorded shows because there’s not much possibility for tweaking.

  • Listening

    I don’t like the idea of the Idols performances being taped either. I feel the show loses some of it’s intrigue. I mean it’s a big deal when a show is done live, why else would all the shows that are live announce it at the start of the show. It gives it this special feel that everyone is putting it out on the line that it possess a pure unadulterated essence.

    We’d lose the OMG moments if it’s edited such as when Brooke stopped the entire band and asked to start over are you kidding me that was priceless.

    I myself have never heard of idol performances being pretaped. Now guest performers that’s another thing. I think the real reason they’re doing this has nothing to do w/ the contestants and everything to do w/ Steven Tyler he’s their wild child and they need to edit the show to catch all his curses.

  • Buffynut

    But, that means, Wed. will be a nothing day for them. No production. Right? Oh, I guess they can rehearse for Thursday????

  • Buffynut

    I think the real reason they’re doing this has nothing to do w/ the contestants and everything to do w/ Steven Tyler he’s their wild child and they need to edit the show to catch all his curses.

    I don’t think so. They’re doing the 7 second delay. That works.

  • Chicagolaw

    Don’t like this. At all. Live performances are what makes the show. Much of the excitement, for me, came from the idea of the unknown. Anything could happen, and contestants had to really be on their game.

    Taping also opens up the door to LOTS of room to manipulate just about everything.

  • larc

    Recorded shows offer too much opportunity for meddling with the audio including the use of Auto-Tune. I don’t trust TPTB at Idol to be scrupulously honest and even-handed anyway. This just gives them an extra layer of curtain to hide behind.

  • Miss Chaos

    I dont think they are trying to edit S. Tyler, heck he has just sat there like a bump on a log, the last couple of weeks. I watch him all the time to catch anything good, and he is half asleep. either bored, or told to shut cause JLO is speaking, or he is on drugs to get thru the mess they hired him for, and he cant cope. I am disturbed about what is going on with him, I am so ready for a bunch of bleeps from him, or maybe he has run out of his remarks that were so funny.

    Personally, I think they are keeping him on a short leash for whatever reason, but taping the show???? Sucks. But—-doesnt Nigel tape SYTYCD for awhile at least?????

    Come On Stephen, WAKE UP<

  • Banished

    As much as it seems manipulating, I’m enjoying this year so much better than last. Is it because there is a new director? Is it because it’s auto-tuned? Better production? Perhaps it’s combination of a bunch of things, including a much better talent pool. That being said, it’s hardly fair to compare this year’s singers with last years until they truly sing live. Who knows? Maybe Lauren could turn out to be completely “pitchy” after all. All I know is that last year was so painful, from the bad timing to the bad singing. The ratings are starting to show that people prefer the new and improved Idol. All Nigel needs is some good numbers to justify what he’s doing.

  • CindyM

    UPDATE: Now that I think about it, I wonder if it has more to do with the new judges’ panel than manipulating the contestants? There may be some concern that the panel isn’t quite ready for prime time yet.

    I don’t think that’s the reason. I think its more to do with the contestants and it’s wrong.

  • tinawina

    if something goes wrong, it goes wrong. it’s not the end of the world — it’s happened before on AI, and everyone survived and the show continued on.

    Only when it was running overtime the past couple of years it was blleding into the next show’s timeslots and people’s DVRs were cutting off performances. So that’s enough to want to get it right this time IMO.

    Plus, after Nigel tweeting about sound issues, I can see not wanting to go live until they fix that problem. That’s a big deal and can effect the voting as well as make the judges look like idiots if there is a huge difference between what they critique and what we hear.

    If they are still taping 3 weeks from now I will call shenanigans, but for right now it seems plausible to me.

  • Willis

    I totally get why they’re taping this week. Fitting 13 performances, the intros/interviews, AND the judges comments into 2 hours will be a tight fit. When the show runs over it costs a lot more money and then the programs after has to adjust their schedule. Plus, many DVR’s will cut off, like on Adam’a Mad World performance, and folks don’t get the final call-in numbers.

    I bet they go live when we get down to 10 or 11 contestants.

  • emmuzka

    Boo! The whole show is about “realness”, live singing, live judges critique, live audience reactions… If the performance episodes are pretaped (and enchanced and edited to display performers in a different ways), and we know that the result shows’ songs are lip-synched…

    So where is the live music, then?

  • karenc

    If they were just concerned about the judging panel, they could increase the delay, even to 30. I’m wondering if this is why they moved the show airing to Wednesday, so they could tape on Tuesday. It will be interesting to see if this continues into the finals.

    If they are really enhancing certain performers vocals, and manipulating the audience reaction, that makes it a totally different show, especially if this continues the whole season.

    I could see them pretaping the semi-finals, because there are so many contestants involved, instead of having 24 people to sing within 2 days it probably gave them more time to rehearse with the band. Maybe that was the difference with the top 24 last year, is that it was the most contestants that had ever sung live in one week, and maybe part of the problem was rehearsal time. I’ve been trying to figure out what the difference between that and Season 8 when the live semifinals weren’t such a problem for contestants, because then only 12 sang at a time.

    So, I could see a reason for doing the semifinals might not work live, especially the weeks when there are two nights of performances. But now they are out of the semifinals, with only 13 contestants performing.

  • gangreen29

    I would prefer every episode be taped. It gives the chance for the show to be edited into something more entertaining. There is nothing more real or “special” if it is live lol. Another mountain out of a molehill peeps.

  • t2

    Other than the OTT pimping of Lauren Alaina (KC says she’s like Pickler — uh no, Pickler at least was funny), the show seems way more even-handed than it has in years past.

    I assumed with 13 contestants that they would pre-tape this week at least. Will sit a little higher on my Grassy Knoll on Wednesday though.

  • washpd

    Plus, after Nigel tweeting about sound issues, I can see not wanting to go live until they fix that problem. That’s a big deal and can effect the voting as well as make the judges look like idiots if there is a huge difference between what they critique and what we hear.

    But it was taped last week, with several days to fix the sound mix, and they didn’t. Sorry, that just doesn’t ring true to me. As for the udges looking like idiots because they are critiquing a different performance than what we saw, well, that is exactly what happened last week. They critiqued Jovanny’s performance, then the producers had him sing twice more, and used one of those performances for the show, even though the judges weren’t around for that, so their critique was of a performance we never saw.

    Sorry, this stinks. Why don’t they just have the contestants all pre-record their vocals and lipsync every week? I mean, we all know you don’t have to be a good live performer to be a successful pop star anymore. If they are really looking for someone who fits the mold of current popstars, they should fully embrace it!

  • CindyM

    We’ve already seen the result of the taped performances, Jordan Dorsey’s comments about the OMG song being given to him was completely edited out. Considering that the judges commented on the fact that the song wasn’t the right song and didnt fit him, that was an omission that shouldn’t have been. Jovany got to perform twice with the second time before better.

  • Tess

    oooh, this thread is more fun than catching fireflies or searching for four leaf clovers…and all the conspiracy theories are better than any pulp fiction novelette…need to grab my popcorn and beer and sit back and read all the entertainment.

    I especially like the Steven Tyler..”he’s back on drugs” theory. And the fact that they are going to auto-tune the producer’s favorites and mess up the sound on the other contestants is just mind blowing.

    Hell, they are having a live audience and every whisper that goes on during the taped program will be on the internet in minutes after the taping…and the internet would blow up beyond belief if the show shown on Wednesday is different than what the audience sees. But then all the conspiracy theorists can say that AI blackmailed the entire audience, the media attendees, and the contestants to keep mum about all the manipulations that will show up on Wednesday. I just can’t figure out why anyone chooses to watch a show that is so obviously fake and phony…if I thought that I’d just turn the friggin channel and watch a re-run of Two and a Half Men or something as compelling.

  • Kirsten

    If they are still taping 3 weeks from now I will call shenanigans, but for right now it seems plausible to me.

    I agree. We’ve got new judges, a new band and new contestants, plus Nigel has just returned and needs to assess the current technical crew. I’m willing to give them a few weeks to get their live show legs. If it goes past the fourth week, I will think something fishy is going on.

    About Lauren’s reverb…it has long been noticed that some contestants get a lot more reverb than others, but they do that even on the live shows.

  • gangreen29

    Jovany got to perform twice with the second time before better.

    So would you people rather Jovany only got to sing the one time with the major mic issues? That seems more fair? Seems kind of cruel to me.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I’m totally against taping any performances from here on. The deal about AI is singing live, and the judges aren’t the reason for it either, because they have a 7 second delay. Perhaps I’m too cynical, but by taping and editing the show (even if the performances themselves aren’t edited), there can be steps taken to enhance vocals and misrepresent what really happened in terms of audience response and the judges’ critiques.

  • gangreen29

    About Lauren’s reverb…it has long been noticed that some contestants get a lot more reverb than others, but they do that even on the live shows.

    Thank you for pointing that out. I can remember all the way back to Daughtry getting a lot of reverb, and I bet it even happened before that (and those were live shows I’m remembering). It always cracks me up to see people who are paid to cover idol, and they are seasons behind noticing things that the fans pick up on right away.

  • gangreen29

    I can’t edit so I just want to point out I’m talking about Jim Cantiello in my last post.

  • larc

    emmuzka:If the performance episodes are pretaped (and enchanced and edited to display performers in a different ways), and we know that the result shows’ songs are lip-synched…

    I think you can safely bet the farm that Adam’s vocals Thursday night won’t be lip-synced.

  • washpd

    It always cracks me up to see people who are paid to cover idol, and they are seasons behind noticing things that the fans pick up on right away.

    I can’t edit so I just want to point out I’m talking about Jim Cantiello in my last post.

    What makes you think Jim hasn’t noticed reverb on other contestants before? He commented on it regarding Durbin bc it was obvious. He never said it was something new.

  • tinawina

    But it was taped last week, with several days to fix the sound mix, and they didn’t.

    Or they did, and that was the best they could do. Or it sounded good leaving the editing booth and completely different on TV.

    Mixing live music for TV has always been very difficult. Almost every single awards show has sound issues. Just last week for the top 12 men, I watched it on my upstairs TV and it sounded horrible. I went downstairs and watched my DVR of the show and it sounded much better. That is a tricky thing to get right.

    As for the udges looking like idiots because they are critiquing a different performance than what we saw, well, that is exactly what happened last week.

    Which is why they should fix it. People have been saying for years that it sounds one way when you are sitting in the audience and a completely different way on TV. Maybe they need to experiment on how to get a different sound feed to the judges. Randy might prefer the feed that goes to the sound both all we know… maybe he was hearing something different, and the other 2 heard what the audience heard. Simon used to always look at his little TV screen.

    I say give them a week or so and wee if any of that gets better.

    Oh, and they’ve been enhancing some contestants vocals for years, even on the live shows.

  • gangreen29

    What makes you think Jim hasn’t noticed reverb on other contestants before? He commented on it regarding Durbin bc it was obvious. He never said it was something new.

    I don’t read his recaps, but people made it seem in this thread like his was indicating the reverb had something to do with the show being taped, which isn’t true at all.

  • karenc

    gangreen29:
    03/06/2011 at 1:33 pm

    So would you people rather Jovany only got to sing the one time with the major mic issues? That seems more fair? Seems kind of cruel to me.

    But, then it would be more fair to have the judges do the critique again, so their comments would be about the performance we are seeing and voting on.

    I think the biggest problem with pretaping is if it is used to manipulate some contestants performances either favorably or not favorably. If we get to see the performances as they were performed I do not have a problem with it. But if favored contestant’s performances are enhanced while others are not, or reactions are edited, I see that as a problem.

  • springboard

    As the priority has to be the ratings this year, the aim may be to tweak/edit judge comments in order to make them more exciting and dramatic. They could give them more time and only show the best parts.

  • gangreen29

    I think the biggest problem with pretaping is if it is used to manipulate some contestants performances either favorably or not favorably.

    Everything on this show is used to manipulate performances favorably or not favorably. I have long given up on caring whether something on the show is “fair”. I want to be entertained. If taping the shows mean they move at a better pace and are more entertaining than go for it.

  • blkeener

    I don’t think they messed with audio from the boys. Trust me, some were A LOT better live. I know that is usually but if they would have auto-toned it, it would have sounded a lot better than what we saw on TV. Most of the editing was done with the judges comments, and yes, the applause.

    I think they still have some kinks to work out. It was a mess at the boys taping. It shouldn’t take 3 hrs to tape a 90 minute show. They had to redo a lot of shots (Jovany was the only redo performance).

  • sr4mjc

    I would prefer every episode be taped. It gives the chance for the show to be edited into something more entertaining. There is nothing more real or “special” if it is live lol. Another mountain out of a molehill peeps.

    I disagree. There’s been some great stuff over the years that could have ended up on the cutting room floor if the shows weren’t live. This season alone, don’t agree that they cut part of Jordan’s talk with the judges about performing OMG.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Nigel seems to be gearing up for a twitter rant this afternoon.

    @dizzyfeet
    There is a load of crap being discussed all the contestants sing ‘live.’ The show has always been recorded to the West Coast.

  • colette

    Can you imagine Nigel or anyone else trying to “direct” Steven Tyler? Like, actaully make suggestions that he say something substantial instead of just burbling a line or two of gushing nonsense praise?

    I know Tyler was the darling there for a while, and I found him very entertaining during the auditions. But now he’s threatening to make Paula’s non-sequiters look like the sayings of a Nobel laureate.

    What do you want to bet that he’s being heavily edited?

  • tripp_ncwy

    @dizzyfeet
    We are pre-taping for 2 weeks as we have a new Director & new judges. It has nothing to do with manipulation you morons.

  • sr4mjc

    @dizzyfeet
    We are pre-taping for 2 weeks as we have a new Director & new judges. It has nothing to do with manipulation you morons.

    Voters are morons ;)

  • gangreen29

    Nigel seems to be gearing up for a twitter rant this afternoon.

    @dizzyfeet
    There is a load of crap being discussed all the contestants sing ‘live.’ The show has always been recorded to the West Coast.

    Well he is right.

    He also has a special message for you conspiracy theorists lol

    We are pre-taping for 2 weeks as we have a new Director & new judges. It has nothing to do with manipulation you morons.
    2 minutes ago via Echofon

  • gangreen29

    Voters are morons

    No, I think he is just calling out certain “fans”.

  • steph6449

    We are pre-taping for 2 weeks as we have a new Director & new judges. It has nothing to do with manipulation you morons.

    Ugh. Does he usually attack the show’s followers in public like that? Realizing some of them are OTT or whatever, but still.

  • davedpg

    So I wonder if Bruce Gowers is still there then

  • cheese

    You go, Nigel! I kind of agree with him. I haven’t read the tweets he got, but I can imagine people accusing him of leaving 3.5 seconds of their favorite’s applause on the cutting-room floor, or letting Lauren Kelly Underwood sing her song 5 times or something.

  • Marie Ruffin

    Gotta love Nigel — he’s on it.

  • http://www.twilightslo.com Mateja

    Obviously…they haven’t gotten a winner right in a while.

    Exactly.

  • Valentin432

    Nigel and his tweets are hilarious. Gotta love that direct link.

  • https://twitter.com/pmhowden undercooked

    @dizzyfeet
    We are pre-taping for 2 weeks as we have a new Director & new judges. It has nothing to do with manipulation you morons.

    LOL! I’m so happy Nigel is tweeting. This season is entertaining for so many reasons.

  • Miss Chaos

    Hey Nigel (waves) I am not a moron, altho I didnt Tweet him either> LOLOLO

  • CindyM

    Conspiracy theories have always been a part of American Idol. From the whiners who cry about the plot against their favorite being bussed to the voting to the grassy knoll chosen one theories. What makes this so different? It’s all part of the fun, right?

  • girlygirl

    Calling your viewers morons is a moronic thing to do. Not exactly the way to keep people watching the show.

    And whether AI’s viewing public has gotten the winner right the last few years is simply a matter of opinion. In my opinion, the public goit it right in S7 and S8. Other people’s opinions will disagree with this.

    But I’d far rather have the singers perform live and make up my own mind about you I like and who I may vote for rather than feel like TPTB are manipulating the entire show for their own ends.

    Personally, I doubt that anybody in the Top 13 this season is going to be a superstar or sell a bunch of records, since I don’t see any star power in any of them. Some good singers, sure. Some quirky personalities, yup. But no real star potential. All the manipulation in the world isn’t likely to change my mind, either. But, hey — again, that’s just my own opinion. YMMV

  • Elliegrll

    Calling your viewers morons is a moronic thing to do. Not exactly the way to keep people watching the show.

    In his defense, many of the tweets have been childish and have used words a lot stronger than moron. Mainly, it’s just the ranting of people who think they can get away with anything, because they are hidden by the anonymity of the internet. They’ll continue to watch the show so that they can mock it, and so will the vast majority of people who don’t even know about this.

  • gangreen29

    Calling your viewers morons is a moronic thing to do. Not exactly the way to keep people watching the show.

    He wasn’t calling all the viewers morons. Heck, I bet judging from some of those people who tweeted him half of them aren’t even viewers, just petty bitter trolls who refuse to watch idol any more because they found their “BB”.

    I have no problem with him calling out the whiners. It gets old. Freak out after you have all the info, not before.

  • suziq

    When he says taping for two weeks..does that mean this top 13 week and last week’s show? Then starting live for real with top 12 next week? I hate the taped shows. There is nothing exciting as a live show. Yes…some of this may be for the judges. With Steven Tyler, I don’t think the worry is so much about him swearing, I think the worry is for him to come up with something a little more specific than “that’s beautiful.” He’s adding no more than Ellen D to me in the judging department. I have been waiting since January for a live performance show.

  • Falfor

    Geez Nigel, stop with the God complex already, you are not him. This show should not be edited. We see it as it happens. That is what has made it so attractive to me. Nigel, look at what the patrons of this show think before making such altering decisions. This show will be nothing more than watching survivor, which is edited to death. As for the West Coast, this is simply due to the time difference. They know it was taped and aired live 2-3 hours prior, not days. I guess I am feeling a loss of the element of surprise, which someone mentioned earlier, Brooke starting and stopping, Danny Gokey’s scream, Kris and Adam scooting over when the adjudicator was in front of Kris, Carrie’s expression when the coin they tossed went into the drain. Being delivered or bleeped or even changing scenes with a few second delay is a far cry from editing. I hope this really is just long enough to work out the kinks.

  • karenc

    A fan of the show is a fan even if they question the show. It’s better than if no one cared at all.

  • Eileen99

    Heck, I bet judging from some of those people who tweeted him half of them aren’t even viewers, just petty bitter trolls who refuse to watch idol any more because they found their “BB”.

    LOL.

    Nigel is being reactive on twitter when what TPTB probably should have done was to get ahead of this and published the schedule including which shows they were taping ahead & why. That is, if it even matters that much. I’d prefer live shows just for some of the reasons falor mentioned, but most people don’t know or care, most likely.

    I admit, though, it is kind of funny to watch Nigel throw a little hissy fit on Twitter. This season could be fun just for that reason alone.

  • happycamper

    And last year people kept bitching because the show ran over. IIRC, they’ve taped the semis most years. That’s 3 weeks of working out the kinks. It won’t kill anyone. The uber fans usually find out what’s going behind the scenes anyway. Not a big deal imo.

  • Dakota01

    Personally, I doubt that anybody in the Top 13 this season is going to be a superstar or sell a bunch of records, since I don’t see any star power in any of them.

    I think it’s way too early to make a determination that there are no superstars in the current group. We haven’t seen enough of them yet.

    And for what it’s worth, IMO the last two winners didn’t have any star quality at all and while that didn’t stop them from winning, they weren’t able to sell many albums. I’m sure TPTB want more than anything to find a winner who the viewers will support once the show is over. That didn’t happen in either S8 or S9.

    Claudette, I agree with you in that the voting needs to be limited. With all the changes they made this season, I’m actually surprised that wasn’t one of the changes they made.

  • dteixeira

    I…am confused. They’re taping on Tuesday, March 13th? Isn’t the 13th a Sunday??

  • Trillian

    Not following Nigel and haven’t tweeted him (so I’m not one of the morons – yay!), but have to say that wasn’t called for – in the least! Does he want to alienate viewers who care enough to contact him? I totally disagree with taping the show, especially because it seemed as though 2 contestants (at least) benefitted from some electronic shenanigans in their favor last week. As if the over-hyping wasn’t bad enough. What is this, X-Factor?

  • gangreen29

    Nigel just tweeted

    Sorry I can’t play anymore I have to go to work. There’s manipulating to be done. xox
    less than a minute ago via Echofon

    Sorry, I find him funny lol.

  • OldHag

    Let it never be said that diplomacy is Nigel’s strong suit.

  • Jewlmc

    LOL! GO Nigel! “Morons” is right.

  • workdog

    I live on the West coast and OF COURSE I know that our showing is previously aired and therefore tape delayed. The question, I thought, was is the EAST version taped? Did I miss something? Perhaps I need some more tea.

    Nigel makes me laugh, really laugh; he doesn’t miss a chance to bitch slap people and then say “whut??”. He makes Simon look like a toddler in the manipulation department but it does lend itself to more intriguing and excitement. Bring it on, dizzyboi.:-)

  • OldHag

    Jovany got to perform twice with the second time before better.

    So would you people rather Jovany only got to sing the one time with the major mic issues? That seems more fair? Seems kind of cruel to me.

    It’s not like it made it so he snuck in the top 13 over some better contestant.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    So I wonder if Bruce Gowers is still there then

    Bruce Gowers is gone

  • Suzanne

    Ha Ha He called the conspiracy theorists “morons.”. That’s great.

    How many times did they run late last year or cut judges short toward the end of the show? Pre-recording when there a ton of contestants is logical. That way the director can take breaks to fix cues or technical things if necessary but not eat into contestant’s time. And EW recaps on the scene will tell us if we miss anything.

    Morons! That was awesome.

  • karenc

    I’m sure TPTB want more than anything to find a winner who the viewers will support once the show is over. That didn’t happen in either S8 or S9.

    Actually there is a portion of fans of both that are very supportive, as there are with all winners, and many of the other finalists. The problem is that not as many fans that followed them after the show ended, for whatever reason.

  • jammasta

    I almost feel like Nigel calling out some people as morons was pretty awesome and necessary.

    <3 Nigel.

  • ComeBack2Me

    Don’t like the idea of taped shows; I think they should be live. However, since the semis were only 1 week this year maybe they need a couple more weeks of pretaping before they feel comfortable to go live. Hopefully, they go live for the top 11 show at the latest.

  • koshka

    Dizzy please get back to work with your manipulations. Ken did a piss ass job while you were gone and look @ the results. Lol

  • Q3

    Too bad Idol didn’t just announce that they were going to take the performance shows for 2 weeks and explain why. Doing it secretly just feeds the manipulation story.

    I can’t see it really matters for a couple of shows, but over an extended period, there will be too many spoilers.

    Regarding manipulation thru editing: they already manipulate the show with video packages, camera shots, time on camera, applause enhancement, judges comments, PR etc.

    On the audio enhancement: As long as they do not use autotuning or major vocal manipulation, it doesn’t both me if they add some reverb — just as long as any singer can request it.

    Anyway — it is a reality TV show and not really a talent contest. It doesn’t have to be fair, but it needs to keep an audience. With GLEE’s success, it is clear that people enjoy polished, movie musical performances. So my expectation is Idol will move more and more in that direction anyway.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Geez, any dang thread can be turned into a passive aggressive Season 8 fanwar, can’t it?

    Please stop. Stick to the topic

  • koshka

    Q3 exellent point in your last paragraph.

  • webster

    With all the complaints about the bad direction and the judges babbling too much the last few years, it seems logical to do what’s worked before in getting a tight show: tape a few episodes.

    getting a lot of reverb

    Is reverb added after singing, or during? If during, it may not be so much that Daughtry or others “got” reverb, as that they asked for it. If it’s part of the sound they’re going for, it may be on par with asking for certain lights or certain instruments. It’s part of the performance – the singer would have to “use” it.

  • Fullmoon

    Dizzy please get back to work with your manipulations. Ken did a piss ass job while you were gone and look @ the results. Lol

    Yes, Nigel manipulate away!!!

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Nigel has been reading your tweets! “There is a load of crap being discussed all the contestants sing ‘live.’ The show has always been recorded to the West Coast…We are pre-taping for 2 weeks as we have a new Director & new judges. It has nothing to do with manipulation you morons.”

    LOL!

    koshka:
    03/06/2011 at 4:10 pm

    Dizzy please get back to work with your manipulations. Ken did a piss ass job while you were gone and look @ the results. Lol

    Indeed he did! LOL!

  • abbysee

    Bruce Gowers is gone

    Kirsten, how much did the hit cost you? :)

    I love Nigel, I think twitter was created for folk like him. I think it’s fun to speculate, but alot of the concerns are invalid because it’s not like they aren’t doing anything that they haven’t done in the past, they are just being more transparent, imho that’s good. Frankly most people who watch idol don’t follow Nigel on twitter, and don’t really think one way or the other about live vs. taped performances. Taped also doesn’t mean that they will continue to tape until they get the result they want, or that they will turn it into something it isn’t.

  • tomr

    Comes across as frustrated and definitely not funny. Namecalling just shouldn’t be. It could have been done respectfully. Agree that it could have been explained and announced early to avoid problems and overreaction. Or was he “caught?”

  • gangreen29

    Comes across as frustrated and definitely not funny. Namecalling just shouldn’t be. It could have been done respectfully. Agree that it could have been explained and announced early to avoid problems and overreaction. Or was he “caught?”

    LOL he obviously wasn’t “caught”. They have 700 people at the taping. They invite the press to the taping. The same people who would have read any press releases about the show being taped are the exact same people who would be reading the spoiler posts on Tuesday. This is the type of baseless accusation he was reacting too.

  • Falfor

    This may a bit late. I just now caught up on some of the comments.
    I have never understood the secrecy of not letting viewers know what songs were going to be sung. Spoilers are a great heads up to check out a song if it is not one we recognize (across genre’s). It is not like we know what the contestant will sound like just by knowing the name of the song.

  • larc

    tomr:
    Agree that it could have been explained and announced early to avoid problems and overreaction. Or was he “caught?”

    “Caught” was the first thought that occurred to me when Nigel lashed out the way he did. It seemed just a little too OTT for correction of a misunderstanding.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I’ll be the first person to call out Nigel when I think he’s full of crap.

    In this instance, I think that a cigar is really a cigar.

    I’d rather have a few weeks of taped shows to work out the bugs than the cluster-f*cks of Season 8 and 9. I think he’s trying to address viewer’s complaints here.

  • karenc

    abbysee:

    Frankly most people who watch idol don’t follow Nigel on twitter, and don’t really think one way or the other about live vs. taped performances.

    That’s why I think what he said is short sighted, because the fans that are the most involved are the ones that know what is going on behind the scenes and are the ones that would question it. People that aren’t fans of the show, and even some who are, don’t know and don’t care.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Since Idol contestants do not represent the most popular genres, it it that big a surprise that they aren’t turning out many successful popular recording artists? How does anyone do ET on Idol?

    They can’t cause Katy Perry cannot recreate it live herself.

  • mickeybordentwo

    As a general rule, one does not call one’s customers “morons.”

    If Nigel is such a busy and important man, why is he even bothering to read through all the Twitter comments? And why should he care?

    I’d been thinking about watching Idol again, having taken a year off, but now I’ve decided against it. I’ll watch on Thursday to see Adam, but that’s it and that’s enough.

    There are plenty of morons in America. I don’t happen to be one of them.

  • abbysee

    There are plenty of morons in America. I don’t happen to be one of them.

    Then it’s quite possible he wasn’t talking to you, but the people who are hurling accusations and insults at him. Possible right?

  • Elliegrll

    That’s why I think what he said is short sighted, because the fans that are the most involved are the ones that know what is going on behind the scenes and are the ones that would question it. People that aren’t fans of the show, and even some who are, don’t know and don’t care.

    Those of us who make up the overly invested part of the audience are just a fraction of the 20 million plus who watch the show. The vast majority don’t even know who Nigel is.

    “Caught” was the first thought that occurred to me when Nigel lashed out the way he did. It seemed just a little too OTT for correction of a misunderstanding.

    Nigel always acts like that, he doesn’t have a filter when he’s on or off twitter.

  • spritely

    hahaha, I love you, Nigel.

  • tripp_ncwy

    @AmericanIdol
    #AI10 live from the first Ford music video…. http://yfrog.com/h086uezj

    ETA: Casey seems to be MIA?

  • tomr

    Then he needs to get a filter. Editing implies manipulation and there is just no way to get around that. Decisions have to be made and it’s highly doubtful that bias doesn’t come into play. Most just want to believe that fairness is the rule when, in actuality, it probably isn’t possible. Obvious “pimping” has led to this mistrust.

  • Ratna12

    blkeener:

    I don’t think they messed with audio from the boys. Trust me, some were A LOT better live. I know that is usually but if they would have auto-toned it, it would have sounded a lot better than what we saw on TV. Most of the editing was done with the judges comments, and yes, the applause.

    Thanks blkeener,
    The editing of the judges comments and also the audience reactions are the ones I don’t like. And thank you for that detailed recap after the boys’ semifinal.

    Hopefully, it will be taped live after 2 weeks (?). I want to see forgotten words, falling microphones, slipping contestants (God forbid), etc, etc. The contestants have to learn about taping live shows. It will prepare them for after idol.

  • Listening

    You know what i’ve had it with Nigel and his insulting tweets w/ anyone who dares disagree w/ him or speculate about the show. He has on multiple times condemned Simon for how he talked about contestants and his ego well I cry hypocrisy to him. I don’t recall Simon insulting us viewers and it seems like every other tweet of Nigel’s is a rant or insult. I recall Simon mention various times how he trusts the public and i’m just sick and tired of Nigel.

    It’s almost like Nigel has totally lost it w/ his tweets like he’s sabotaging his own show. He’s abusing like I know you’ll just sit back and take it b/c your addicted to/invested in the contestants and idol.I don’t like him I think he’s mean and a bully.

    This is why I totally hope and pray the x- factor is a raging success and everyone abandons ship leaves idol and goes to x-factor. If nothing else I hope a successful x-factor makes Nigel treat us viewers nicer for fear we will leave.

  • iFly55

    I wonder how the West Coast feed compares to the East Coast feed! Regardless, this is a turn in the wrong direction.

    Nigel doesn’t know what he’s doing, if he thinks America cares about Steven’s language he is dead wrong. How much more milking can he really do?

    Well the only reason i’m even watching this year is because I think there is some awesome talent!

  • gangreen29

    You know what i’ve had it with Nigel and his insulting tweets w/ anyone who dares disagree w/ him or speculate about the show.

    So I’m guessing your one of the people who freaked out at him LOL?

    This is why I totally hope and pray the x- factor is a raging success and everyone abandons ship leaves idol and goes to x-factor.

    I’m sure this is at the top of God’s concerns. The karaoke show wars.

  • Jewlmc

    That’s why I think what he said is short sighted

    I think he made it quite clear that the “morons” he was talking about were the one’s conspiracy theorozing.

    and “caught”??? LOL. My goodness…

  • Jewlmc

    This is why I totally hope and pray the x- factor is a raging success and everyone abandons ship leaves idol and goes to x-factor.

    Yes. Because there is certainly no manipulation with Simon and X-factor.

    By the way, how is that bridge you bought on Florida swampland?

  • Fullmoon

    I think the only people Nigel has to answer to are the big hunchos at fox who are investing 100s of millions of dollars in this show and how it turns out. I seriously doubt he cares on what a bunch of overly invested fanatics have to say. They are are only a small portion of the 20million viewers. If his goal is to get rid of them than good for him. It amazes me how people who have nothing to lose can tell a producer what he can and can’t do with his own show. Only in Idol land. I have been seeing the tweets Nigel has been getting from the beginning from calling him an A$$ to much worse than moron and I have to say he is a better person than I would be. Oh the advantage of being anonymous on the internet. All the bullies come out.

  • gabriel oak

    I have never liked Nigel and he’s just as bad on the dance show.

  • Lisa

    *waves to Nigel*…*Snort*…I knew for years you looked here & you just confirmed it LOL.

    Work the kinks out & get it back to live! LOVE Steven btw ;)

  • Maura73

    I agree, it stinks. Till now, AI at least had the real-life singing ability of its contestants going for it. If you allow pre-taping and vocal enhancement, what in hell are people voting for? At least give us the names of the techies, AI!

    I’ve had it w/people who can not sing, yet are famous and filthy rich thanks to vocals provided by techies who are nowhere as rich or famous as they are.

  • Lisa

    Wanted to add: It has always made sense that TPTB looked here. There is such a wide mix of fans that tell it like it is. Here they can get pretty much an overall view of what the audience at home feels. Plus Mj has had this open for many years now. It’s home ;)

  • gangreen29

    ill now, AI at least had the real-life singing ability of its contestants going for it. If you allow pre-taping and vocal enhancement, what in hell are people voting for?

    You do realize that the show has been pre-taping and using reverb for years right?

    Nigel really called it right with that tweet lol.

  • Fullmoon

    Nigel doesn’t know what he’s doing, if he thinks America cares about Steven’s language he is dead wrong. How much more milking can he really do?

    I don’t think Nigel cares about Tyler’s language because he knows Tyler is a RockStar baby!!! I don’t think Steven Tyler is a Rock legend because he cared what America has to say. No cookie cutter Rocker here and besides you would have to be an idiot not to know what you were getting with Steven Tyler.

  • karenc

    Those of us who make up the overly invested part of the audience are just a fraction of the 20 million plus who watch the show. The vast majority don’t even know who Nigel is.

    and

    I think he made it quite clear that the “morons” he was talking about were the one’s conspiracy theorozing.

    My point is as the producer of the show,IMO, he shouldn’t be resorting to namecalling, especially to fans of the show. Whether the fans are overly invested, or think there is a conspiracy or not, they are all fan of the show, or at least were fans at one time. They wouldn’t pay attention at all if they weren’t. And I know this is only a small portion of fans, but it was enough that Nigel thought he had to respond.

    He could have just said that the reason they were pretaping is because of the new judges, directors, or whatever. Obvously, he is aware of some concerns of manipulation,and it’s good if he wanted to address it but I just think what he said wasn’t right for a producer of a show to say.

  • mds1978

    Did anyone else notice the laugh track that they used on Thursday’s show? Yes, laugh track. Those of you with the show still on your DVR–go to 01:08 when james is about to find out if he made the top 10, and Ryan says to him, “…Steven really loved your over the the top performance…he kinda digs that vibe, if you haven’t noticed, right?”, then boom, out of nowhere comes this laugh track.

    Please, explain to me how that is NOT producer manipulation.

  • koshka

    My point is as the producer of the show,IMO, he shouldn’t be resorting to namecalling, especially to fans of the show. Whether the fans are overly invested, or think there is a conspiracy or not, they are all fan of the show, or at least were fans at one time. They wouldn’t pay attention at all if they weren’t. And I know this is only a small portion of fans, but it was enough that Nigel thought he had to respond.

    I agree.. although to be honest, I don’t care all that much. I will say that if a contestant said this.. everyone would be lighting torches.

  • sue

    Nigel certainly has balls calling some of the tweeters “morons”, lolz. It’s his show right now so he can do whatever he wants. I love live shows too but the new staff does seem to need more time to get adjusted. Hey Nigel, since it is edited can you edit in comments from Simon and Paula from previous season as a gag when it is JLo and Tyler’s turn, lol. That would be fun for me, just a thought. Well so far he is doing a good job so I guess I will trust his judgment.

  • Listening

    First off when I say pray I don’t literally mean i’m down on my knees going oh god please let X-factor succeed, hmm guess I have to straight out say that b/c some people are confused. If it helps substitute the word for hoping.

    Also in regards to people on the internet calling him names doesn’t make it right for one to do the same. I mean are you kidding you’re in charge of a multi-million dollar business show some class/discretion/common sense.

    Oh and the idea that they need to pre-tape the early shows b/c everyone is new is just odd, really? really you guys still haven’t figured out how to do your job. You’re kidding me what have you guys been doing all these months. It just shows how incompetent everyone is.

    Nigel is a bully, rude, condescending and a hypocrite. And regardless if there is an outside catalyst which caused his behavior/personality doesn’t change that’s what he is.

  • lac123

    I (also) really don’t think it’s that big a deal. I 100% agree with the person above who believes that the show is being taped due to time limitations. If it was live do people seriously think that the show would end on time? Plus they haven’t had several weeks of semi finals so I’m sure there are still kinks to get out.

    If they’re still pre-taping for the top 10 I’ll rescind my stance.

  • murphymarie

    Nigel is a bully, rude, condescending and a hypocrite. And regardless if there is an outside catalyst which caused his behavior/personality doesn’t change that’s what he is.

    These personality traits seem to mirror the over invested fans that think it is their duty to comment directly to him about stuff that they don’t have a clue about. If people reading his twitter account really are upset about being called morons by someone they don’t know and will never meet they are obviously way to over invested in a reality show that is all about selling advertising dollars.

  • chearts77

    Maybe Lauren could turn out to be completely “pitchy” after all.

    Out of all the comments, this stuck out the most. Back in January when the top 40 spoilers came out, I listened to many of the pre-idol videos, including Lauren’s. When I heard hers, my first thought was, “Ick.” She was very pitchy in the couple of videos I saw. Of course, they were a couple of years ago. So, when I saw her audition and realized she was only 15, I thought maybe that’s why she sounded pitchy in the videos…she was so young. But, now that you mention this, I’m starting to wonder….

  • Owlgirl

    Thursday’s result show was live, not pre-taped. Notice the cutting judge comments because they were running out of time. ;)

    If all the shows are pre-taped, I’ll be disappointed, but I have no problem with them taking a few episodes to work out the kinks. I hate it when episodes run over.

    I really don’t get the X-Factor versus AI thing. They’re airing on the same network, not against each other. I think Fox is counting on people watching both shows.

  • Inconnu

    We are pre-taping for 2 weeks as we have a new Director & new judges. It has nothing to do with manipulation you morons.”

    For some reason I find that very funny. Hey, twitter is the devil!

    I’d say cut the guy some slack. He’s doing a great job so far (except for a couple shows). And there always been manipulation. They don’t need to pre-tape to do it. They’re masters at it already.

    I too believe that they’re pre-taping this one again to work out the kinks.

  • http://mjsbigblog.com/luvadamlamberts-american-idol-tour-2009-washington-dc-re-cap.htm luvadamlambert

    Haha Nigel I love your tweets :P

  • fanaround

    I agree with the poster above who heard a laugh track added to James’ interchange with Ryan. I also think it was unfair that they edited a contestant’s commentary (one instance we know of was Jordan talking about OMG). I hope this is just for this week. And I do realize they can manipulate live with lights, who gets the pre-sing Ryan chat etc…

  • Miss Chaos

    OT, is anyone getting weird print, and page numbers and OMG spell check??? I love it, bit the page print is hard to read

  • Maura73

    gangreen29:
    03/06/2011 at 1:19 pm

    I would prefer every episode be taped. It gives the chance for the show to be edited into something more entertaining.

    But the show is supposed to display vocal talent. That is, theoretically, what the audience is voting for. Pre-editing allows the show to cover up vocally lacking performances, and in doing that it allows a huge amount of favoritism to rear its ugly head. If you allow x to try three times to get it right, and if you allow y to use technical enhancements, while you let z go on straight, without any of that, all in the name of entertainment, you are making a mockery of the entire premise of the show!

  • Dakota01

    Miss Chaos:
    03/06/2011 at 7:31 pm
    OT, is anyone getting weird print, and page numbers and OMG spell check??? I love it, bit the page print is hard to read

    Same here

  • Oksana2000

    This font is hurting my eyes. Rest of the changes are great.

  • Kirsten
    Bruce Gowers is gone

    Kirsten, how much did the hit cost you?

    Let’s just say that it required a LOT of money, the sacrificing of some chickens and picketing of 19Alphabet headquarters for 6 months. You people owe me!

    Hah at Nigel’s quote. Seriously, there is nothing new going on here (except for the judges, band and director). Not even Nigel’s Tweets (he has said such things in the past). Nigel has always pre-taped the first few weeks of shows, so why the sudden concern this year? And The Divine Mr. Cowell has repeatedly mocked the viewers, so I don’t get why he is suddenly going to change his spots.

    And as for the laugh track on Thursday’s show, that was a live show so if true, that demonstrates the new director is on his toes and the producer’s don’t have to pre-tape too manipulate.

  • ross

    So people were getting on Nigel’s case and he called them morons? But it’s okay, because they are morons? Next I suppose it’ll be okay to call somebody ugly if they’re ugly. Name calling is completely unprofessional, case closed. Those people annoying him aren’t pros, after all – he is, he should know better.

    As for taping – I don’t want to vote on performances that happened yesterday when I wasn’t watching – I want to vote on live performances – the show has been live for 9 years, because that was part of the whole original premise. Like sporting events, the Olympics, the Oscars – this show goes out live. Imperfections and all. I like it that way – that’s all I can say, I guess.

  • bridgette12

    I don’t care what Nigel do, because the show is whole lot better this season, than it was last year. If he wants to pre-tape every episode, that’ his perogative. As long as he’s not pre-taping Adam, Cook, J-Hud or Fantasia when they come on the show to sing, I won’t complain. Let him scheme, manipulate all he wants, because the main thing is to get the ratings back up, keep the advertising money rolling in and return Idol to it’s former glory, when they were producing artist that could sell albums.

  • Kirkee

    The early shows have been pre-taped many times over the years. How many times does this have to be explained?

    I guess you and Nigel can explain a bit more to one of the morons like me because I only watched season 8 and this year and this is something that I didn’t know.

    As for taping – I don’t want to vote on performances that happened yesterday when I wasn’t watching – I want to vote on live performances – the show has been live for 9 years, because that was part of the whole original premise. Like sporting events, the Olympics, the Oscars – this show goes out live. Imperfections and all. I like it that way – that’s all I can say, I guess.

    I think you put this very well and I agree with you. This is only the second season I am watching AI and if this continues into the top ten I am done.

    Also since I’m no AI expert perhaps someone who is can explain to me if we’ve even heard this season’s cast sing live yet??? For example James Durbin singing ACIGC, was that live?

    Thanks.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Nigel is a bully, rude, condescending and a hypocrite. And regardless if there is an outside catalyst which caused his behavior/personality doesn’t change that’s what he is.

    So? As long as he brings in the ratings, no one at 19 or especially FOX cares. I honestly don’t give a crap what Nigel thinks of anything or anyone. So far, this year’s show is pretty entertaining and unless they decide to have more than a couple of shows that are taped, then I’ll be OK with it as long as they don’t mess with the actual performances.

  • Joyed

    Nigel made me laugh. He is tweeted lots of crazy conspiracies, and while I have no doubt that the show’s producer’s have their secrets I doubt it lives up to crazy expectations – some things come down to the realities of producing a TV show.

    As long as he’s not pre-taping Adam, Cook, J-Hud or Fantasia when they come on the show to sing, I won’t complain.

    Well, they often pretape performances – in fact, on nights when there are two performances, one is almost always pretaped (in order to accommodate setting up the stage in a timely fashion).

    Cook has already had a pretaped performance – in S8 when he performed “Come Back to Me” they recorded it on one date and aired it at a later date. They often will tape additional performances after a performance show and pretend they are still part of the live results night show.

    Some guest performers have even done their song more than once in order to get a better take to air. It is all part of being good TV.

  • J9BT

    With the horrible sound and horrible camera work (did anyone notice the very beginning of last week’s live show?), I am happy they’re taping for a while until they get things down pat. They did this for SYTYCD all of the time, so I really don’t understand what the fuss is all about.

  • Kirsten

    Also since I’m no AI expert perhaps someone who is can explain to me if we’ve even heard this season’s cast sing live yet??? For example James Durbin singing ACIGC, was that live?

    AGIGC was Durbin’s solo performance in Hollywood. It was definitely not live. I think it was recorded last year.

    The only performances we have seen performed live this year was the wildcard singers (Naima, Ashthon, Kendra, Stefano, Robbie and Jovany). We also have reports from people in the audiences during the live tapings.

    If we are going to start conspiracy theories, let’s get back to how performance order effects thing. I like those theories. We all realized that the last 3 performers each night made it through, right? In fact, if you look at the guys, the last 7 singers either were voted in or got to sing during the wildcard round. For the girls, it was a bit more distributed. Both singers that sang second on the original performance night got to sing in the wild card.

    Men:
    Voted Through: 6, 8, 10, 11, 12
    Wild Carded: 2, 7, 9
    Winner of the Wild Card: 9

    Women:
    Voted Through: 5, 9, 10, 11, 12
    Wild Carded: 2, 4, 7
    Winner of the Wild Card: 2, 7

    It will be interesting to see who is tossed out first to the lions this week.

  • Kirkee

    The only live performances we have seen performed live this year was the wildcard singers

    Thank you.

    So people who sounded good can actually sound like crap and freeze up like deer in the headlights when this crapshoot turns around.

    I’m not choosing a favorite until I see a live show.

  • OldHag

    Name calling is completely unprofessional, case closed. Those people annoying him aren’t pros, after all – he is, he should know better.

    Perhaps he does know – he’s got all of you chatting about his show. A show, by the way, that is vastly improved over last year.

  • OldHag

    It will be interesting to see who is tossed out first to the lions this week.

    Stefano or one of the wildcard chicks.

  • tinawina

    So people who sounded good can actually sound like crap and freeze up like deer in the headlights when this crapshoot turns around.

    Well… the voting rounds, boys and girls, were taped live. The only one who got to do it over was Jovanny when the cameras didn’t quite catch the shot. So what you saw on teevee was the one take each of the others did. I don’t think you have to worry about the performers freezing up.

  • Brook52

    Even though many people are saying what a great season this is I kept wondering what felt different to me. For some reason I felt like I was watching pageant singers instead of real artists. This recording policy explains that. I find it all very ho hum. Also Nigel comments seem very defensive- which always make me think that there is some truth to the critique.

  • koshka

    Even though many people are saying what a great season this is I kept wondering what felt different to me. For some reason I felt like I was watching pageant singers instead of real artists.

    For me I think that has to do with the arrangements. So far this season they haven’t strayed too much from the originals. We haven’t seen much creativity. I usually don’t start watching until just about now, but this year I’ve watched from the beginning. The season is still young, hopefully the best is yet to come. Let me tell you though.. if I continue to hear uninspired song choices with copy cat vocals, I’ll be screaming ‘Karaoke!’ from the highest roof top.

  • iluvai

    I like the live shows, but it freaks me out for my faves. So another taped show, should help calm the nerves. For them, for us, for me for you. (Bad joke, sorry!)

  • iluvai

    Will some explain what a reverb is.

  • Elliegrll

    It will be interesting to see who is tossed out first to the lions this week.

    There was a conversation about this at tv by the numbers last week, when people noticed that the final 30 minutes of most shows are viewed by 2 million or mmore people than the first 30 minutes of a show.

  • iluvai

    oh my…. every time I refresh different comments come up. Will you guys quit messing with MJ’s lol… :) :) :)

  • iluvai

    My comments are gone again. oh well.

  • MaryS-NJ

    Maybe I’m the only person in the known universe who likes having 3 weeks of semifinals (because we get some great performances and some entertaining train wrecks), but there’s production and logistical value in that too. Pre-recording semifinals gives the production crew time to work out the bugs before the live finals. With a sudden death semifinal, they didn’t get that. Giving @dizzyfeet the benefit of the doubt here, that it’s really why the pre-recording the top 13…

    I still think the editing is very, very calculated to boost the judges/producers favorites, although not necessarily to disadvantage the others.

  • iluvai

    Come On Stephen, WAKE UP<

    He’s so sweet. I think he’s doing a great job.

  • Jae

    hey where did the page numbers go? do they only show up on my cell?

  • iluvai

    Sorry, this stinks. Why don’t they just have the contestants all pre-record their vocals and lipsync every week? I mean, we all know you don’t have to be a good live performer to be a successful pop star anymore. If they are really looking for someone who fits the mold of current popstars, they should fully embrace it!

    It’s sad that some pop stars can’t sing. Wtheck!

  • Kirkee

    I don’t think you have to worry about the performers freezing up.

    Thank you but I don’t see why not. There’s a difference between being taped live before a studio audience and singing LIVE in front of over 20 million people in TV land. Or am I missing something?

    All this talk of vocal enhancements just doesn’t sit right with me. And I don’t care if it’s been used before on Idol because in the season I watched, season 8, I sure as heck didn’t notice it. The fun of this show is the live element, at least for me anyway.

    I remember in season 8 when the stage area collapsed in the top 4 round and the contestants had to perform live without any dress rehearsal. That’s a true test of nerves. If the live stuff isn’t happening by top ten, I”m done.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I don’t think that’s the reason. I think its more to do with the contestants and it’s wrong.

    But it’s nothing new. The first week, at least, HAS ALWAYS BEEN TAPED during the years that Nigel was in charge. It’s a tech thing not a manipulation thing.

    It’s interesting to watch some fans become so upset over a practice that’s been done more years than not. ONLY Season 8 and 9 had live shows from beginning to end.

  • jpfan

    The font looks different and is harder to read. Is that just me?
    Anyway, I agree with whoever says the show has a kareoke/pageant vibe this year. The vocals of the cast remind me alot of Glee for some weird reason.

  • MayMirabella

    Not a fan of pre-taped. Jim Cantiello detected vocal enhancement on a couple of the contestants last week, hate to see that continue. If you build someone up with enhancements, and then their live performances don’t measure up, I think you’ll get a backlash. It’s always been a “show” with manipulation, but they’re taking it to extremes this year and it all feels very canned.

    I totally agree. It just gives them too much leeway for selective editing. I am fine with them taping the semifinals but when it gets to the final top 12 or 13, I think it is best for those show to be Live.

  • ross

    Even though many people are saying what a great season this is I kept wondering what felt different to me. For some reason I felt like I was watching pageant singers instead of real artists.

    I don’t think it’s such a great season. It’s full of smoke and mirrors and hype, but I can’t say I’ve really enjoyed any music, yet, or that there are any people I’m especially crazy about.

    It’s easy to compare it to last season, because we’ve seen last season, and we really haven’t even seen the Top 13 episodes of this season, yet.

    Also Nigel comments seem very defensive- which always make me think that there is some truth to the critique.

    Absolutely.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

    I’m going to BAN posters who get snippy or attack fellow posters. No exceptions.

  • iluvai

    The vocals of the cast remind me alot of Glee for some weird reason.

    I don’t see that.

  • Kirsten

    All this talk of vocal enhancements just doesn’t sit right with me. And I don’t care if it’s been used before on Idol because in the season I watched, season 8, I sure as heck didn’t notice it.

    I certainly did. Some of the contestants had a lot of reverb in Season 8. A lot of people pointed it out on this very blog.

    Reverb is a pretty standard effect for live singers and just not on Idol.

  • Kirsten

    Will some explain what a reverb is.

    Reverb is, simplistically, an echo effect.

    Have you ever noticed that when you are in the shower, you sound better? That is because the sound is being reflected in a small area and your voice sounds fuller. Reverb is commonly added to give singers a more full and even sound. Any decent karaoke mic will have it and most professional singers use the effect at least a little.

    Sometimes, they go a little overboard with the effect and it becomes too noticeable. It is one of those things that contestants can ask for, though, so it may not be producer manipulation (though, sometimes people complain that they didn’t get it when they asked for it. It’s tough to know if that is producer manipulation because the sound techs on the show are often useless).

  • Montavilla

    Will some explain what a reverb is.

    I’m not a sound expert (it would be nice to get an opinion from someone who is), but I believe that “reverb” is an electronic effect that reproduces the gradual dying away of the sound which you would get from hearing something in a room with hard, reflective surfaces. Okay, I stole that from here. :)

    Basically, what it does is make the voice sound a little better by mimicking the effect of someone singing in a room that’s made to be sung in. I’ve heard this a couple times from former contestants in interviews. When the singers are taped live, the sound comes directly from the microphone that they are holding. Because the microphone is only picking up the sound immediately around it, we don’t hear the audience (that sound comes from other microphones placed to pick it up), and we don’t hear distracting sounds like the mic stand falling over or Nigel yelling at Ryan. But we also don’t hear the natural echo of the voice interacting with the space that it’s in. So, basically, no matter how good a singer you are, the completely unaltered sound from the microphone is going to suck.

    Is reverb added after singing, or during? If during, it may not be so much that Daughtry or others “got” reverb, as that they asked for it. If it’s part of the sound they’re going for, it may be on par with asking for certain lights or certain instruments. It’s part of the performance – the singer would have to “use” it.

    I’m guessing that, in the live shows, it’s added during, but it may not be added in the studio, but into the audio mix that the home viewer hears. I’d also bet that the reverb is added to all the singers, but that some may have more added than others. I doubt that’s due to favoritism, because too much reverb would be as bad too little. So, it’s probably left to the sound engineer to produce something that is pleasing to the home audience. It’s also possible that some reverb is added to the feed that goes through the studio monitors (what the audience in the studio hears) for artistic purposes.

  • iluvai

    Oh thanks kirsten, re: reverb…..

    I’ve seen it mentioned a few times, but had no idea…. Thanks hon!~

  • Kirsten

    I’m guessing that, in the live shows, it’s added during, but it may not be added in the studio, but into the audio mix that the home viewer hears.

    I think it is added in what the singer hears as well (so either in the mic or in the soundboard) because singers have complained that they have trouble singing well when they aren’t hearing the reverb (they call it “dry stick”). It throws them off.

  • iluvai

    Thanks montavilla!

    I’ll leave the technicalities to y’all.

  • Tess

    When all is said and done, AI is going to produce THEIR show the way THEY want without regards to how upset the internet audience may be. And all the conspiracy theories and comments from the grassy knoll aren’t going to have a single impact on the outcome of the show…’cause 90% of the viewing audience won’t give a twit whether the program is taped or not…all they want is good TV and to be entertained for an hour or two.

    90% of the audience never buys a single AI alumni album…probably 50% of the audience has never voted…and maybe 5% of the viewing audience reads Nigel’s twitter and probably about 1% of the audience would comment on a blog or media site. Given those numbers I don’t think Idol is going to be quaking in their boots that their broadcast decisions are going to be affected by a few OTT moronic fans in idol-land.

    Considering how BAD the sound has been on idol for the last few years I wouldn’t care a wiff if every program was taped if that flaw could be overcome. I would rather “hear” the contestants in some form rather than have my ear drums blasted by a so-so band and overloud back-up singers.

  • Valentin432

    Performance order affecting votes is even older than the reverb effect. It started day one of the semifinals of the first season when the producers decided to put Tamyra on the n°1 spot to begin the series with a bang and then placed Justin at the end of group 2.

    The fact that more people watch at 9pm than at 8 is also not new, it’s true for almost every network on any day of the week.
    The producers also choose to stack the deck by placing the best performances at the end of those shows and very good ones at the half. I think it’s a good thing because you better show your best when most people are in front of the television, that way more people come back (way too many wasted pimp spots last year).

    It doesn’t mean the death for the performers tough. Karen did manage to go through from the fifth spot, Alexis Grace also was voted as the top girl performing third. I mentioned Tamyra but Diana also performed first in her group and was in the top 2 beating amongst others JHud.

  • cmc25

    There is no substitute for live shows. IMO, taping is a bad idea.

  • Dlynne

    I’m absolutely fine that the shows are being taped for a couple of weeks. The show needs to end on time, and if it takes a couple of weeks to get the kinks worked out so that it does end on time, then I’m ok with it. I’d much rather have to endure some fine tuning manipulation than to have the last 30 minutes of a performance episode rushed, sometimes to the detriment of the contestants.

    Also, there have been many times when the judges were unable to give a decent critique because they were short on time. That’s unfair to the kids. Taping allows everyone to get the time they deserve. They may not like what they hear but it’s only fair.

  • mmb

    If it makes for a better show? Tape away afaic! The kids are still singing before a live 700 person audience. They are still bring critiqued on that live performance. If they need to tape for a few weeks due to production/ sound issues I have no problem with that. In fact, I suspect a few weeks of “taped live” shows helps the contestants get their footing and makes for better performances overall. It is a tv show. There is lighting judging editing taping sound mixing etc. Always has been.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Reverb is, simplistically, an echo effect.

    Here is a good example from season 8, Kris’ To Make You Feel My Love; When he sings the line “go to the end of the earth for you”, you get the reverb effect (echo) but it seems to be present throughout the performance.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywQXFsnF53U&playnext=1&list=PL6DF0D78FFFEC5A22

  • Elliegrll

    The producers also choose to stack the deck by placing the best performances at the end of those shows and very good ones at the half. I think it’s a good thing because you better show your best when most people are in front of the television, that way more people come back (way too many wasted pimp spots last year).

    Which performances are the best is subjective. Nobody can do anything about more people watching between 9:30-10:00 than those who watch between 8:00=8:30, but it would be in the best interest of the show to spread the acts around week to week, and not be so heavy handed in showing that they are favoring one contestant over another.

  • Kirsten

    Performance order affecting votes is even older than the reverb effect. It started day one of the semifinals of the first season when the producers decided to put Tamyra on the n°1 spot to begin the series with a bang and then placed Justin at the end of group 2.

    Yep. That’s why it is one of my favourite conspiracy topics. LOL.

    It doesn’t mean the death for the performers tough. Karen did manage to go through from the fifth spot, Alexis Grace also was voted as the top girl performing third. I mentioned Tamyra but Diana also performed first in her group and was in the top 2 beating amongst others JHud.

    It is interesting how in the early seasons, the first spot was also referred to as the mini-pimp spot. They would have their best singers sing first and last. In season 2, Clay and Ruben were forever singing either first or last. That’s a typical show thing though. Start and end well and people will remember that most. That seems to have changed in season 5 when the first slot got the nickname the death slot. It was like people suddenly lost the ability to remember.

    But, you are right. The “death slot” can be overcome by performing well and making yourself memorable. The first three slots really only dooms those that perform badly because it is a little harder to recover from (and is probably worse in this style of semi-format because only 5/12 were going to be voted through). There was one contestant from S8 who was sent out second almost every week (they wanted to call his thread 1-800-IDOL-02 on TWoP), but he survived that, so anybody can really.

    I do think, though, if there is an Idol that TPTB really like and that contestant is perhaps struggling a bit in the vote tallies, they will make sure that contestants sings in the later half of the show and is exposed to the most number of voters.

    WNTS did do an article on performance order a few years ago. WNTS Location Location Location.

    About JHud being in the same group as Diana/Fantasia…that was pretty common every year in the top-2/3-advance-semi-final years. One group (usually the second group) would be disproportionally stacked with good singers. I have a conspiracy theory that they did that on purpose so that the judges would have somebody good to pick for the WC. If all the good singers were evenly distributed and all advanced, the judges would look stupid picking fodder. This way, they look like they were righting wrongs.

  • lucy

    Nigel may call people morons at times, but he’s also a person who can learn from his own mistakes and make changes, as witness his huge change over the years as a SYTYCD judge. He heard people’s complaints and really switched up his demeanor in a major way. An awful lot of people neither would nor could do that. And he did it in response to public comments. That makes me think that, if he’s calling people morons, he’s been badgered by some pretty moronic stuff and he didn’t want to take the moronic stuff any more. …

    I’ll be annoyed if they’re still taping when we get to the top 10, but I don’t think they will. They’re really retooling the show this year, they came off a couple of seasons when they could *not* make it run to time, *and* they’ve had fewer of the semifinal shows that we find more acceptable to have taped — so it seems to me they earn a week or two of extra taping so they can get things running smoothly…. After that, it must stop. But I think it will.

  • Joyed

    I have absolutely hated the production on the last two seasons – it was immediately noticeable to me during the live shows after Nigel left. (Which surprised me – I knew he was hands on, but I had no idea the other producers were so terrible at live productions!)

    I like several of the contestants from the last two seasons (and own a lot of their music) and really feel they were shortchanged by awful production on the show that led to terrible camerawork, running overtime due to bad direction, major sound issues, a poor decision to have lip synching for group numbers, and supported a horrible judges panel completely lacking in chemistry.

    Those who started watching in S8 might not have noticed, but it was painful for me as someone who has been watching since the beginning – the number one show on TV was showing some of the worst production values on reality TV.

    All that is to say, I’m REALLY glad they are paying attention to production values again!

  • Hazehel

    WNTS did do an article on performance order a few years ago. WNTS Location Location Location.

    I pointed out some time ago that that analysis is faulty because they include Top 2 to Top 4 shows in the analysis. The number 2 spot in Top 2, number 3 spot in Top 3, number 4 in Top 4 are pimp spots, and because the pimp spot has such a strong effect, it unnaturally boosted the scoring of the 2nd/3rd/4th spot. Going first is not as bad as the article made out to be, going second to fourth might be worse when there are large number of performers.

  • doggiedr

    Did anyone else notice the laugh track that they used on Thursday’s show? Yes, laugh track. Those of you with the show still on your DVR–go to 01:08 when james is about to find out if he made the top 10, and Ryan says to him, “…Steven really loved your over the the top performance…he kinda digs that vibe, if you haven’t noticed, right?”, then boom, out of nowhere comes this laugh track.

    Please, explain to me how that is NOT producer manipulation.

    I just listened to it three times and do not think that is an added track at all. It’s just nervous laughter from the audience.
    Thursday was a live show anyway, we know it was a live show- it was results night- so how does that even reflect what they might do to pre-taped versions?

    I for one will not be able to sleep until I know that there will be stopwatches present during the taping so we can accurately assess exactly how much time has elapsed between the end of a performance and the beginning of comments. I also require decibel meters to measure crowd response as well as light meters and mass flow sensors.

    If they had half a brain they would put the raw footage up on a pay site so we could review it before we pass judgment.
    Because judgment will be passed either way :roll:

  • Kirsten

    I pointed out some time ago that that analysis is faulty because they include Top 2 to Top 4 shows in the analysis. The number 2 spot in Top 2, number 3 spot in Top 3, number 4 in Top 4 are pimp spots, and because the pimp spot has such a strong effect, it unnaturally boosted the scoring of the 2nd/3rd/4th spot. Going first is not as bad as the article made out to be, going second to fourth might be worse when there are large number of performers.

    Very true. It’s not a perfect analysis. They also skip over the semis during which I think external factors can really have an impact. By the time you get to final 4, you have built up your fan base so wherever you sing is probably okay. During the first few weeks, if you haven’t had a fair amount of audition/Hollywood screen time and you sing in the first half of the show during your first couple of semi performances, you better hit that performance out of the park.

    That pimp spot does seem to be coveted, though. In 9 seasons of Idol, there is only one person who won the final two coin toss who didn’t take the pimp spot (Blake gave the choice to Jordan who happily chose the pimp spot). Six out of 9 times, the contestant with the pimp spot won (exceptions are Clay, Archie and Crystal). It could be entirely coincidental, but the contestants clearly want to sing last by that point in the competition.

  • Montavilla

    Nigel may call people morons at times, but he’s also a person who can learn from his own mistakes…

    True. At least he’s reading his tweets.

    About the Pimp Spot. I remember reading in one of Marx Brothers’ autobiographies that they often started out in the first spot when they joined up with a new vaudeville circuit. This was because, as newbies, they were automatically given the worst placing. However, their whole act was to be as BSC as possible and they brought the audience up so much it became impossible to follow them. So, within a few weeks, they would work themselves up the playbill to become the headliners and get the “pimp spot.”

    So, it probably matters where you’re placed if you’re doing a so-so job. But if you can hit the song out of the ballpark, it doesn’t matter. People will remember you.