Adam Lambert Splits with 19R

American Idol 8 alum, Adam Lambert has split with 19 Recordings, but is still on the roster at RCA, reports THR:

Adam Lambert and 19 Recordings have parted ways, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.
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Although the American Idol season eight runner-up had split with 19 Management in August 2011, he remained signed to the recording arm of 19 Entertainment (now owned by CORE Media Group) for another 18 months.

According to sources, January marked the expiration for that contract, although he is still on the roster at RCA Records. “It’s good for both sides,” says an insider. “Adam can move forward with his plans and 19 isn’t stuck in the middle.”

A rep for Lambert says the two parties leave “amicably and with the utmost respect for each other,” adding that the decision is but one part of the singer’s “evolution,” which began when he joined Direct Management Group, home to Katy Perry among other clients.

As for his third album, conversations with the label about direction have already begun, says DMG.

Now that 19R has moved on to partnering with UMG, I would imagine “lame duck” Idols still signed to both RCA and 19R will be moving off the 19 roster eventually.

Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry, Jordin Sparks and Fantasia are all still signed with 19R/RCA. (edited)

  • http://twitter.com/bagel08 John S

    Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson and Fantasia are all still signed with both.

    What about Daughtry and Jordin?

    Not surprised tbh.

  • tripp_ncwy

    MJ Daughtry & Jordin Sparks are both still signed to 19R/RCA.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDYOWBIIPZU6PBRHGOPT2ZZJXQ sweetmm

    I somehow LIKE this news :)  It will be interesting to see what new directions he’ll profit from Direct Mgt Grp.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson and Fantasia are all still signed with both.

    And they still are with a major label. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/bagel08 John S

    And Casey James too-forgot about him.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Interesting that they waited until very late on a Friday night to release this news…. Didn’t want a lot of press coverage or something?

  • tripp_ncwy

    I am a little confused by the wording Shirley used.  If the contract with 19R expired wouldn’t that mean the contract with RCA expired as well?  

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    Can somebody explain exactly what 19R does for the money they take?  I’m trying to figure out why this would be a bad development for Adam, and don’t quite see it.  

  • sdmama

    How can somebody be signed with two labels? What does that mean? Which one controls the new CDs, and pays for the expense? Adam was also part of Sony, too. How does it work? I am really confused.

  • Xentusk

    Now that 19R has moved on to partnering with UMG, I would imagine “lame duck” Idols still signed to both RCA and 19R will be moving off the 19 roster eventually.

    ….so who are these ‘lame duck’ Idols?  Can those who keep track of this stuff enlighten us?

  • elliegrll

    Now that 19R has moved on to partnering with UMG, I would imagine “lame duck” Idols still signed to both RCA and 19R will be moving off the 19 roster eventually.

    I don’t see 19 letting Carrie and Kelly go, especially since the people at 19/Core don’t have to do anything, but still get to collect royalties from the former idol alums.

    The contract must have changed at some point, because I would guess that most of the former alums who are still with 19 would have left long ago, if their contracts were up after just three or four years.  There are too many people getting a split of the profits, and the the licensing agreement that 19R has seemed to benefit them more than it did RCA.

    I wonder if any alums would still have major label contracts, if they had not been bound to 19, and the contract that 19 had with them and Sony or UMN.

  • elliegrll

    ….so who are these ‘lame duck’ Idols?  Can those who keep track of this stuff enlighten us?

    They’ve already been listed, but I wouldn’t call them lame ducks, since they have all been very successful (or slightly successful in Casey James’ case), and have made money for RCA.  Fantasia, Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, Jordin, and Casey James are all signed with 19R and a Sony label.  I don’t think that any of these people, even Casey, are viewed by their labels as people who are only with them because of their previous deal with 19.  Each of them are viewed in the same way that any other artist would be perceived by his or her label.

  • MellyPer1692

    Will be interesting to see if he signed a new deal with RCA and went 360. Sony has been involved in setting up some of the Asian shows.

  • mmb

    It’s possible the 19r contract expired and he negotiated something new w RCA. Or maybe his RCA and 19r deals weren’t entirely concurrent

  • mjsbigblog

    “Lame Duck” isn’t necessarily a negative term.  A president who is still in office, but can’t run again is “Lame Duck”, but it doesn’t necessarily mean he was a bad president.

    As some of these Idols come to the end of their 19R/RCA contracts, they may not want to re-up with 19R again.  I fully expect Kelly, to wriggle out of her contract as soon as humanly possible, for instance. lol. 

    Maybe not Carrie, because she’s still tied to Simon Fuller. But you never know.

  • MellyPer1692

    I didn’t take lame duck as negative either.

  • windmills

    elliegrll: I don’t see 19 letting Carrie and Kelly go, especially since the people at 19/Core don’t have to do anything, but still get to collect royalties from the former idol alums.

    Carrie & Kelly have both been through at least one renegotiation of contract after mega-successful eras too so whatever the initial terms were for them and also between 19 and the Sony counterpart have likely changed quite a bit. 

    We know the initial 19R contract provides for an escalating advance per album that make it difficult to retain/renew options on alums who don’t sell a certain amount of albums. It’s not a surprise from that standpoint that 19R and Adam have split. This frees up Adam and his management to try to negotiate new terms with RCA with a smaller advance and maybe a different contract structure than what the 19R contract delineated. If that doesn’t work out based on whatever RCA offers then there’ll be another parting of ways announcement that’ll focus on Adam’s desire to pursue a different direction (and all the usual debates about dropped/mutual decisions will ensue :p).

  • mmb

    I think there is zero chance of Kelly, Daughtry, tasia or any of the others except maybe Carrie continuing with 19r when their deals are up. Why would they? Their relationships are with the labels

  • Xentusk

    ….Thnx for the clarification(?)

    So many moving parts….I don’t have enough experience with this stuff to understand the significance of this move or that move….  I know the ‘Business’ is part of the game, I just can’t imagine what it must be like to be in the middle of this …. It’s just not enough to have talent, I guess

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Good luck to Adam:)

  • elliegrll

    My guess is that he negotiated another deal with RCA, one that I doubt that Shirley will write about.  And one that isn’t as lucrative for 19/Core as his previous one.

  • springboard2

    It is possible that the  winners are bound to 19R for  longer than the runners-up, and it is also possible that the contracts with 19R have changed, perhaps after season 6.

    Also Casey James is from season 9, he may have another year on the 19R contract.

    And we don’t know 19R’s financial contribution to the projects, although it seems that it is a good idea to remove one party if they don’t bring much to the table.

  • http://twitter.com/KariannHart Kariann Hart

    Wishing Adam the very best!

  • lexa

    So, if the reports are correct, he still has his major record label, big success overseas, a third album in talks and a tour through Asia and parts of Europe.

    Sounds good to me! I have enjoyed Idol since the beginning and really do wish them ALL success in whatever form it comes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1759402889 Natalie Blake

    Hmmmm….seems to me that an awfully large number of excellent singers eventually split with 19R/RCA -Clay Aiken, David Cook, Haley Reinhart, (amongst others), and now Adam Lambert. Unless you’re a mega pop-star, they don’t have any love for ya! Well ADIOS 19R, Adam will be better off without ya!

  • elliegrll

    And we don’t know 19R’s financial contribution to the projects, although it seems that it is a good idea to remove one party if they don’t bring much to the table.

    They own the master copies of the music, so I would hope that they put up some money to record them, but knowing 19, they probably didn’t.  

  • mmb

    You are confusing 19r, interscooe and RCA. They are all seoarate entities. Haley was never with Rca. She was with interscope. Adam apparently is still with RCA. It’s unclear whether Haley is still with 19r- she remains on their website post split with Interscope so maybe she still is

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    I don’t completely understand and I DON’T WANT TO completely understand, but for me 19R isn’t a management company and isn’t a record label either, so I guess they’re a kind of useless and greedy “middleman” company. Therefore, good for Adam and everyone who’s out of it.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoria

    19R is in business of making money. If you not making them money, you are out.

  • yaddabing

    Lol, as are all companies.

    Anywho, I except most of the Idols, come contract renegotiation time, drop 19. That is, unless they offer up some good terms under Core now.

  • http://twitter.com/bagel08 John S

    Adam is in a unique situation where he is still with his label(as of now anyway), and not with 19R. In the idols case who are still with 19R, I would actually be thanking my lucky stars, because in most cases, when they are dropped from 19R, they are dropped from their label also. And being dropped from your label is never a good thing. I know some people try to spin it as being good, but most of the time, it never is.

  • mmb

    That is true. But that is also going to change as more of the older idol alums complete their contracts and move on to their next deals. Kelly has a famously long 19r/RCA contract. When it’s fulfilled she may re-up with RCA, she may sign with a new label but no way will 19r be a part of the next contract. Same w Daughtry, tasia et al. It appears that the initial deals post S6 may be shorter than those for alums from earlier seasons. Adam may simply have fulfilled his initial 19r/RCA deal and is re-upping with RCA under a new deal. Time will tell re Adam. But the vast majority if even the most successful idol alums will eventually leave 19r

  • Axxxel

    wait and see

  • Axxxel

    sorry for my ignorance but is Sonny a label, or his management ? or something else ? I think Sony made the arrangements for the Bali concert.

  • Anny_nanny

    Adam Lambert Splits With ‘Idol’ Manager 19 Entertainment (Exclusive)
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/adam-lambert-splits-idol-manager-219959

    Adam left 19 fully?

  • Mateja Praznik

    Sony is one of the major record label companies and RCA is one of it’s labels.

    Adam’s management is Direct Management Group. He left 19 Management in 2011.

  • irockhard

    If I remember correctly Kris Allen wasn’t listed on 19’s website shortly before news of him being dropped by RCA broke.

    I don’t believe that Adam is still with RCA and that he’s negotiating a 3rd album. I expect news of him parting with RCA to break any day now.

  • Mateja Praznik

     Look, I don’t think Shirley Halperin simply looked at RCA’s website artist list and concluded that RCA decided to keep Adam after his 19R contract ended. I also don’t see the point of hiding potential split with RCA. So, if Adam’s management says he and RCA and discussing 3rd album’s direction, I have no reason not to believe them.

  • springboard2

    Adam isn’t with Core Media, he is with Direct Management. They would have said that the talks with the label are about the album direction, not about negotiations, implying that there will be a 3rd album. Of course, it could be an euphemism to anticipate a split and explain it by ‘there was differences of opinion on the album direction’, in the same line as Fox claiming their love for Britney just before they parted ways.
    But, to date, officially, he is on course for a 3rd album.

  • irockhard

    I’m not denying that it’s possible that Adam negotiated a new deal with RCA without the inclusion of 19R but I’ll believe it when I see it.

    I’m going by what’s happend with other Idols: when they split from 19R they split from their labels too.

    Adam’s sales don’t warrant another album with RCA, that’s JMO. So I’m going to take everything else said here with a truckload of salt until RCA themselves speak.

  • Mateja Praznik

     When Idols split with their labels, they usually part ways with 19R and the real label. Or, 19R keeps them at least for a while.

    And, Shirley Halperin usually makes their new status clear in her THR articles.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Adam’s sales don’t warrant another album with RCA, that’s JMO. So I’m going to take everything else said here with a truckload of salt until RCA themselves speak.”

    Since Adam is more popular internationally than domestically (at least for this era) and his worldwide CD sales aren’t known, I don’t think that his U.S. sales alone can be used as a yardstick to predict whether he will record another album with RCA. I guess that we’ll find out what’s happening soon enough.

  • irockhard

    Cook and Archie are also more popular in Asia than in the US. I don’t see any reason to believe that international sales of Trespassing were any better than domestic sales. Aside from Japan and South Korea Asians don’t buy records. As for Europe I’ve only really seen interest from eastern Europe which are much smaller markets than the western European markets.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I get all of that, and you may be right, but I still think that until worldwide sales of Adam’s latest CD are known, focusing on domestic sales may be misleading in trying to predict whether he will record another album with RCA.

  • Karen C

    Cook and Archie are also more popular in Asia than in the US

    The reason they both left their contracts was more because of differences in direction with the label.  If RCA and Adam are in agreement with the direction of the album, he might still be with them.  It seems to me that Adam is much more intent on being a pop star than others have been and maybe this is something RCA is looking for and wants to build upon. 

  • Karen C

    I’m not exactly sure of the role of RCA and 19 R, but it sounds like Adam would have had to renegotiate his contract with RCA because 19 R was part of the contract. If the big advances that are hurting the Idols comes from 19 R, maybe this is a better deal for him. I think with the current deals, they weren’t giving enough money for promotion.  There is also the problem of not getting radio enough radio play, and I’m not sure if 19R plays a role in that too. I’m also wondering if this is the reason Adam isn’t having a tour in the US, and will begin to work on the new album.  Maybe the problems some have been having are not caused by RCA, but by 19R.

    Hopefully he will get a better deal either with or without RCA.

  • http://twitter.com/bignliddle BigNLiddle

    surprised about fantasia still there…

  • irockhard

    Adam may be intent on being a pop star but the problem is radio is not intent on embracing his brand of pop. I won’t talk about BTIKM or NCOE as those songs I’m sure everyone agrees are not really “him” but Trespassing didn’t even get any adds.

  • jpfan2

    Why would anyone stay with 19R if they could get out of it? Aren’t they just a greedy middle man that gets a cut of the label deal? That makes me think that RCA will also be gone soon. If RCA and Adam were going to continue to work together why would 19R drop out of a deal that would make them money?

     But I admit all the 19 business dealings make my head spin. I think they’re basically bloodsuckers who take $ from successful Idols as long as legally possible. The ones that aren’t making $ are dropped pronto.

  • waitingforthe1

     

    Cook and Archie are also more popular in Asia than in the US. I don’t
    see any reason to believe that international sales of Trespassing were
    any better than domestic sales. Aside from Japan and South Korea Asians
    don’t buy records. As for Europe I’ve only really seen interest from
    eastern Europe which are much smaller markets than the western European
    markets.

    Cook and Archie WERE more popular, I’m not sure that’s true anymore but regardless they were never at the levels of popularity in Asia that Adam is. 

    If international sales are = to U.S. sales that means that Adam has sold close to 500K albums of this second era.  That’s nothing to sneeze at. 

    Also, people seem to forget about Australia, New Zealand, Finland, Canada, UK and all the other countries where Adam is quite popular. 

    I’d be shocked if RCA dropped an artist whose last album debuted at #1 in multiple countries and who continues to generate revenue and interest from around the world. 

    IMO it’s much more likely that parting with 19R clears the way for RCA to promote the music THEY want to promote by Adam. 

  • jpfan2

    If Trespassing did well in Eastern Europe, Canada, New Zealand, etc. can you list certifications. You don’t need to sell many albums to get certified gold in those countries. Ditto for info on sales in the UK. That information is fairly easy to get.

    I’m not doubting the CD sold but I’m not exactly sure where the figure of 500K in international sales comes from. But I agree that the foreign market is important to Adam’s future. The big problem for Adam in the US is radio. You can’t be a Pop artist if radio doesn’t play your music.

  • kmd23

     I agree that Adam’s sales do not seem to warrant another album with RCA and that it all the labels care about. The sales. Whatever happens I am sure that a good spin will be put on it so it will look positive for Adam.

  • Incipit

    But I admit all the 19 business dealings make my head spin. I think they’re basically bloodsuckers who take $ from successful Idols as long as legally possible.

    The mysteries of 19 Alphabet have never been explained in a way that makes any sense to me – I have no idea what each of these entities did to earn the money they took from the winners – but I have no doubt they took plenty, with those contracts they signed the Idols to before they would even allow them to compete.

    19E, 19R and 19M all stood in line for a share of the pot, what else they did, I have no idea…but it seems the Idols mostly shed them as soon as they could…which is rather telling. If 19R or 19M had any hand in picking the lame singles, or the un-imaginative promotion, at least we could point at them for that – since that has been a sore spot from the beginning. But who knows?

  • YankeeFan08

    Well it won’t be any different than the spin put on it for any other Idol when they “part ways”.  If it’s a good thing for other Idols to “part ways” with their label, then why would it be different for Adam?

  • http://twitter.com/LexieONeill Lexie O’Neill

    I’ve read through this thread as carefully as possible and still don’t understand what 19R does…but I think I’m not alone.  Am I right in that Idol forces all of the Idols to sign with them?  It definitely sounds like a good thing to be separated from them so Congrats Adam, but then again, they must do something or why would Kelly and Carrie still be with them?  

    Isn’t 19E gone (from what I understand)?  

    And then, who’s still with 19M or even XIX as management?  If I’ve been following correctly, Kelly, Daughtry, Fantasia, and Casey are with 19M?  But are there still some with 19M and not the original label?  For example, does anyone know who Haley has as management?  Carrie and Lauren are with XIX, yes?

    An interesting puzzle…

  • kmd23

    Not all Idols. Archie was reported as “dropped” by his label even though it was his choice to leave. A big deal was made of it by the media at the time. Of course now all the Idols are “parting ways” with their labels so I guess it really does not matter anymore. Good luck to Adam. It is a tough business and they tend to want the younger music artists as pop stars these days. I think all the Idols deal with the stigma of being on AI and that is not always a good thing for them.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “And then, who’s still with 19M or even XIX as management?  If I’ve been following correctly, Kelly, Daughtry, Fantasia, and Casey are with 19M?  But are there still some with 19M and not the original label?  For example, does anyone know who Haley has as management?  Carrie and Lauren are with XIX, yes?”

    I know that Kelly’s manager is Narvel Blackstock (Reba’s husband and father of Kelly’s fiance, Brandon), and has been for a few years. I thought that Kris had left 19M, but I don’t know who manages him now. Don’t know about Fantasia, Daughtry or Casey. At least from the website, Carrie and Lauren still appear to be managed by XIX.

    http://www.xixentertainment.com/

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    Everyone is ~assuming the reason 19R and Adam parted ways was because 19R didn’t want the relationship to continue.  However, given that this was a case of an expiring contract (as opposed to a unilateral decision, like RCA deciding whether or not to exercise the option for another album), it seems to me that Adam would also have had to want the relationship to continue.  I still don’t know what the hell 19R does, but if it had anything to do with the clusterfuck that was the handling of the “Trespassing” era, Adam might be more than happy to see the back of 19R (maybe he’d be more than happy to see the back of RCA as well, but that contract term may be different, and be couched in terms of number of albums rather than number of years).  Maybe 19R disagreed with Adam, RCA or DMG on the direction his music or career should take (with the “insider”‘s quote about 19R no longer having to be “in the middle” actually meaning something). 

    There are reasons RCA might wish to drop Adam, but there are also reasons they might not wish to.  Adam continues to build an international presence, he continues to have pop culture relevance, he manages to snag some desirable opportunities both within the U.S. (most recently the Divas gig) and internationally, and, frankly, he delivered a kick-ass, critically acclaimed album from which the vast majority of the populace never heard the best music (or in many cases, ANY music – none of the “Trespassing” cuts received any spins whatsoever in my market).  If RCA, in retrospect, decided its decisions about the album launch and selection of singles from “Trespassing” were problematic, and that different choices could have helped with the radio play issues, it might well be willing to look at everything Adam brings to the table and decide to try again.

  • irockhard

    OK, 19 Entertainment consists of the following divisions: Recording, Management, Merchandise, Publishing, Touring and Television.

    See this page for who is signed with which arm:

    http://coremediagroup.com/19-entertainment.html

    Note: both Adam and Haley are still listed under 19 Recordings even though they are both no longer with them.

  • HKfan

    And yet even with his ‘dismal’ sales, he still managed the 188th best selling album of 2012 out of the thousands of albums released.

  • Larc

    We pretty much know what US sales have been for Trespassing and some international sales, but not all.  RCA does know.  It’s the total that matters to them.  The money they get is green no matter where it comes from.

  • HKfan

    In that case, Why assume that 19R has dropped out of a deal, if the contracts expired then Adam can also choose not to renew.
    From the other articles and comments I’ve been reading, the majority of fans see this as a good thing, one less ‘person’ taking money off Adam.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Actually, 179th.

    179 RCA LAMBERT*ADAM TRESPASSING 173,639

  • fuzzywuzzy

    On this chart posted here:

    http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=95264&start=0

    Trespassing was #179 in the top selling albums of 2012.

  • tripp_ncwy

    We do know as S8 from the TMZ & NYT articles that the winner’s contracts consisted of an initial album + five options for additional albums.  I would suspect it was the same for S9. The runner-up’s term seemed to be three albums.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Adam is/was with Core Media, the parent company of 19E which Adam was signed to 19 Merchandise & 19 Recording. Direct Management is his the management company he signed with last year after he left 19 Management

  • mmb

    19R does not have an infinite number of options on Idol alums recordings. Eventually the initial contracts end. If Adam is still, in fact, with RCA as Shirley’s story would imply, there are several possibilities w/r/t Adam: 1) he fulfilled his initial contract (e.g. it was for 2 or 3 albums -he has had 3 in wide distribution FYE, GNT Live, Trespassing, and who knows which of the remix eps might count if any), there are no more options left, he was free to sign a new deal with RCA (or any other label) and 19R has no more rights to future recordings, or 2) there is still an option left on his contract and RCA wanted to exercise the next one but wouldn’t if 19R still in picture under terms of initial contract because too expensive..Adam’s management prevailed upon 19R to step aside so Adam and RCA could reach new deal (why would they do that? because they don’t lose anything…if they don’t step aside RCA won’t do another album and they get nothing). As previously stated, as the initial Idol contracts come to their natural ends, those early Idol alums will no longer be bound to 19R.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “We do know as S8 from the TMZ & NYT articles that the winner’s contracts consisted of an initial album + five options for additional albums.”

    6 albums altogether? I didn’t realize it was that many.

  • HKfan

    Even better:)

  • Tess

    My pitiful understand of 19 and their roll in Idols:

    All auditioners for Idol must sign with 19E.  This gives 19 exclusive rights to said auditioners and allows 19 to control with whom they can sign and where they can appear until September of the same year the show airs on national TV as well as controlling everything about them during the duration of the show.  It also gives 19R, 19M first right of refusal when the winners have been announced.  Tied in with this, thru season 9, 19R had an inclusive contract with RCA where the winner and others chosen by RCA were guaranteed signage, just like they now have with Interscope.

    Once the finals are over 19R acts as the representation arm for said finalist and they draw up the contracts of the people they want to keep in their stable.  Early on these contracts were for 10 years (hence all the issues with Kelly).  Slowly, and through legal disputes many of the early restrictions have been lifted (like who can release before whom).  Time limits for contracts have also diminished and many finalists have chosen to move on as soon as their contracts for 19 controlled management, touring, merchandising, and recording have been lifted.  A few have decided to reup with 19 and its various arms.

    If Adam signed contracts (in order to be able to do anything since 19 “wanted him”) many of these are now up, apparently.  He decided to change management and now, obviously he is under no further obligation to 19.  Since his contract with RCA was probably part and parcel with RCA he is now free to renegotiate with them.  Of course they may not want to keep him and if so they may release him from his contract.

    19 has been, in my opinion, the albatross around every Idol’s neck.  Sure, for many, it got them exposure and allowed them to enter the business, but it in turn has made horrible decisions along the way.  Those who have left 19 seem to be much happier and look like they are making a lot more money with a lot less exposure because they aren’t having to feed a very greedy middle man.

  • mmb

    the management contracts with 19M, the management arm, are for a period of years.  When that term is up, the alum can sign with new management or re-sign with 19m if they choose.  The recording contracts with 19R, the recording arm, are for an initial album and options on a set number of additional albums.

  • http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

    3rd album? yay! I admit I do wish Trespassing did better as far as hit singles, but overall it was a good album.  I have a feeling Adam will be ok though :)

  • Tess

    I think you need to check that.  19R and the label ARE NOT one and the same.  Also management has little to do with 19R which acts as a booking agent for their clients who have recording contracts with them.  It is a legal boondaggle we know little about.

  • MellyPer1692

    Daughtry is not with 19m. He’s with the same firm Kris is I believe. Fantasia isn’t with 19m, she’s managed by BD Management.

  • KW8

    It is never good news, when you get dumped whether amicable or not. It is kind of sad it seems like most of the idols are overjoyed about their fantastic 2nd albums that represent them as an artist. These albums tend to bomb out completely sales-wise and radio play wise. I think maybe the idols get overconfident with how well their first album did and try to take too much artistic control over their other albums.  Adam definitely needed more direction with his songs and didn’t think he needed it or no one cared enough to help him with it.

  • irockhard

    As per my understanding the contract with 19R lasts as long as the contract with the label lasts. So for an Idol to split from 19R either:

    1. They must fulfill their contract with their label – all options must be exercised.
    2. Their label terminates their contract by not picking up the next option.

  • MellyPer1692

    19R is not involved in promo bookings. They are the recording arm of 19. 19M used to be responsible for promo, now DMG.

  • rihannsu

    Just to clear up the discrepancy about where Trespassing placed on the year-end lists, remember that there are actually two different lists based on different time periods.  The Billboard Year End is the last week of November I believe and on that list Adam placed at #188.  The Soundscan Year End is based on the actual calendar year and on that list Adam placed at #179.

    The Soundscan Year End chart also gives us the most recent total for Adam’s US sales of Trespassing.
    179 RCA LAMBERT*ADAM TRESPASSING 173,639

    From what limited info we have on WW sales Adam sells roughly between 40-50% of his total sales outside the US.  I don’t have the figures for Cook or Archie but although they are popular outside the US I don’t remember there percentage of outside US sales being quite that high.  If someone has figures they can post that would be interesting.

    RCA might not be quite so quick to let Adam go.  Adam being signed to DMG gives me a lot more confidence in his future whatever the case may be with labels but also specifically look at what they did with Katy Perry.  She was with Colombia (also Sony) and since that was not really working for her DMG got her out of the contract and found a label that would support her vision.  Realizing they missed the boat with KP may make Sony/RCA more accommodating with Adam.  DMG may have been able to negotiate more creative control for Adam or if that didn’t work I have no doubt they will find a label that will work for him.  Adam has stayed culturally relevant in spite of  the lack of radio and DMG has stated their commitment to building Adam’s audience. 

  • everything

    Wasn’t it announced that Kris Allen would have a second single before it was announced that he was dropped from RCA?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P46N6P5XPK22JVXDJJEENXGLVE marie

    Thanks
    for the information. I feel if Adam part ways, dropped or whatever anyone wants
    to call it or whatever happens with RCA Adam will do just fine. Adam will not be the first to get dropped from a major record label and he will not be the last. Some
    people seems to be waiting with bated breath of news about Adam being drop by
    his label. Lady Gaga was dropped by a label and look at her now.  Adam will survive with or without RCA. 

  • milwlovesadam

    So, here’s what I understand now:

    Adam still has a  recording contract.
    Adam made the “news” again.
    He has name recognition.
    A third album is already in the works.
    He tweeted that a change is gonna come.
    He flirted with a rock direction hint.
    Brian May hinted about possible Queenbert shows this year.
    Adam has hinted at possible TV/movie options in the future.
    He made multiple year-end “best of ” lists, and right at number one for most.
    He has many gigs in Asia and Europe from Feb-March, most are sold out already, and I’m sure more gigs will be added.

    He is living in a new deluxe apartment ( across the hall from Kelly Osborne, LOLOL luv this so much!), has a stable, loving  relationship, great friends and family.

    This fan is just not worried at all. I just want more music please.

  • jpfan2

    I can see Adam doing well in concerts and as a celebrity. Musically, I’m still not sure what genre his music in. The genre of music on Trespassing is not current and will not get played on radio. That’s something his label is going to have to deal with. 
     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P46N6P5XPK22JVXDJJEENXGLVE marie

    My computer is acting strange and it will not allow me to make corrections to my post.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Li-Wright/100001622678180 Li Wright

    Add Jennifer Hudson to the RCA label.  She, Kelly C. and Fantasia are signed to Clive Davis, unless things have changed.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    The confusion over what 19R does probably stems from the fact that there is a very broad definition for what gets called a “label”.

    People think of labels and an entity that signs artists, fronts money to record an album, helps find songwriters and producers for the album, oversees the process and helps shape the sound, chooses the songs, chooses the singles, pays for all promo materials and artwork, pays to press the albums, markets the singles to radio, pays for videos, markets the album to the general public (TV ads/Radio ads/posters/etc), distributes album to record stores and negotiates store placement, and even kicks in tour support money and sometimes fronts merch manufacturing money.

    But only MAJOR labels do all that of the most part. Some labels do everything but distribution (which they contract through a major), some labels only handle the production of the songs (usually when a big star has a “label”, that’s what they have. It’s really a production deal and the major label handles the rest). I *think* 19R is basically the latter.

    Best I can figure is the Idols get signed to 19R, and 19R had a production deal with Sony Music Group. 19R is involved in the production of the masters, especially for that first album, and perhaps single selection. The label A&R works with them. Then they turn everything over to the label when done. Typically the label pays the production company the advance and (more than usual) points and the production company pays the artist/producers out of that. This usually sucks for the artists because typically they end up with a smaller share than someone directly signed to a major. I don’t know if that is the case for Idols.  But anyway, it seems like 19R is always in the mix when it comes to recording the albums. Perhaps that fades over time, but 19R remains the middleman contractually and is still entitled to points.

    I do think Adam is trying to work something out with RCA directly, which would make a lot of sense for him,in part since he doesn’t really utilize 19R’s stable of songwriters/producers. His new management is probably way more useful to him in terms of crafting a sound and attracting edgy pop types than 19R would be.

  • mmb

    19R is not a booking agent. The idol alums all have booking agents.  Adam uses CAA.  19R is the recording arm of 19.  the alums sign recording agreements with 19R.  The idol alums music is exclusively licensed to the Sony or UMG related affiliate by 19R.  Idol alums, in effect, have “dual labels” — and their websites, mediabase entries etc. all reflect this as 19/RCA, or 19/Jive, or 19/Arista etc.  The label appears to do all of the work and 19R appears to exist simply to give 19 another revenue stream from the Idol alums.

  • Tess

    All you need to do is look at the bookings for previous Idols that were not managerial represented by 19.  They still did the “usual” 19 bookings because they were still in the 19 stable, though under other management.  David Archuleta is a prime example since he never signed with 19M but did a whole lot of Idol related events under the Idol flag.  That would only come with his 19R involvement.

  • everything

    As for his third album, conversations with the label about direction have already begun, says DMG.

    This
    sounds like the typical response that is offered up by mgmt. Discussions
    doesn’t mean that there will be real product. There are ongoing reports of Idols
    working on their CD, but many never seem to see the light of that.  Pia Toscano was a recent example of that.

  • irockhard

    JHud was never signed to 19R. 19 didn’t want anything to do with her after Idol then a few years later she got her big break in Dreamgirls and scored a record deal without 19’s help. This is why JHud doesn’t get included.

  • elliegrll

    I can believe that Adam negotiated another deal with RCA.   He seems to have a lot of support at the label, and unlike other idol alums, he still gets media exposure, which raises his potential to be able to sell records.

    But, with 19 gone, I do think that’s  a strong sign that this current deal isn’t as lucrative as the first two.  Perhaps Adam and RCA are being more realistic about his career, and seeing that a 30 year old doesn’t stand a great chance of launching a pop career, but that it does seem like he can have a nice career as Hot AC artist, and maybe in some international markets.  Even though most of his success overseas seems to be coming from touring, and not selling his music.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Add Jennifer Hudson to the RCA label.  She, Kelly C. and Fantasia are signed to Clive Davis, unless things have changed.”

    I think that JHud may still be under the mentorship of Clive, and I’m not sure about Fantasia. In mid-2008, Clive moved to a position at RCA entitled “Chief Creative Officer of SONY entertainment”, from having been Chairman and CEO of the RCA Music Group (which included RCA Records, J Records and Arista Records), Chairman and CEO of J Records, and Chairman and CEO of BMG North America from 2002 to April, 2008. I’m pretty sure, however, that Clive no longer has any control/influence over anything to do with Kelly’s recording career.

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I can see RCA negotiating a 360 deal with Adam (the original deals have been long rumored NOT to be 360s) because Adam remains a viable touring act.

  • Tess

    An interesting exercise is to go the label sites and see who is in their stable of artists.  I am always surprised at how many I have never heard of (because I, obviously, don’t listen to their type of music).  I am also surprised at how many people I do listen to record under smaller labels or through independent labels.  Personally I have always marveled at how RCA (and now Interscope) have seen themselves as a “fit” for many Idols.  Sometimes the chemistry just doesn’t seem to be there.

    It will be interesting to see where Adam lands for his next recording venture.  It may not be with RCA, may not even be with a major label, but I bet it happens.  Only time will tell.

  • justmefornow

    Does anyone know if RCA has brokered any 360 deals with any of it’s artists? 
    This would, IMO, be the only way they would keep Adam on their roster. If RCA did renegotiate and he’s now on a 360 with no advance deal, it would make sense. And as long as he can successfully tour overseas he’d be ok.

  • elliegrll

    Typically the label pays the production company the advance and (more than usual) points and the production company pays the artist/producers out of that. This usually sucks for the artists because typically they end up with a smaller share than someone directly signed to a major.

    This is why I can’t understand why Daughtry, Kelly, Carrie, Fantasia, and Jordin wouldn’t have dropped 19 by now, if they had the out to do so.  They are getting less money from this deal, and for someone like Jordin, RCA having to split the profits with 19 just gives the label a reason to drop her, instead of trying to make an effort with artist development.

    Maybe Jordin isn’t a great example, but I think this has been the case with some other alums, who have been dropped.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Oh right. Didn’t Sterling (can’t remember his last name) leave 19M and start his own management company and “took” Daughtry and Kris with him? So, it appears that very few Idol alums are still with 19M (except those who are still contractually obligated).

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    Yeah, I had went back and edited the post to add that is not uncommon for people like Kelly, Carrie and Daughtry to renegotiate after huge eras so they can get paid directly from the label. I suspect they did that. A lot of times the original production company will stay in the mix somehow even if it is just a formality to get points. Or maybe if the artist has a good creative relationship with the 19R rep they negotiate something that allows that to continue. That stuff gets complicated. Who knows?

    I don’t think Jordin was in a position to renegotiate anything.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “The Billboard Year End is the last week of November I believe and on that list Adam placed at #188. The Soundscan Year End is based on the actual calendar year and on that list Adam placed at #179.
    The Soundscan Year End chart also gives us the most recent total for Adam’s US sales of Trespassing.179 RCA LAMBERT*ADAM TRESPASSING 173,639″

    Thanks for explaining the distinction. I had posted the info about the ranking and sales of Trespassing on the year end Soundscan chart earlier today on the numbers thread here:

    http://www.mjsbigblog.com/billboard-%e2%80%93-chart-date-011913.htm#comment-764841256

  • iani

    I think that 19s are some sort of firms for themselves, controlling agencies to keep the AI-franchises up through some talented idols after the show. They try to make sure the AI stigma is not forgotten especially if you are uccessful artist, their proud also(see Carrie) or to discard them (see Lee case) they are just there for idols to “ring” the bell  the time when they have an album out, something like “don’t forget where you come from”, we give you a performance on AI stage so try not to lose your AI audience through your music. That’s why there are so many message-songs, safe music, clean suits and nice dresses on AI stage, the safe-artist’s place to be, when in general, in the music world there is no personal safeness for the images or sometimes through messages, like two different worlds.

    I’d be shocked if RCA dropped an artist whose last album debuted at
    #1 in multiple countries and who continues to generate revenue and
    interest from around the world. 

    IMO it’s much more likely that parting with 19R clears the way for RCA to promote the music THEY want to promote by Adam.  waitingforthe1

    I don’t know Adam’s future, RCA on of off, he’ll have a musical career anyway, I’m pretty sure his AI control has started fading more now, no more “rigs” for him from a 19. How I said it before, the idols don’t get personal assistants after the show, they get personal controllers from AI.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

      RCA VP of marketing Nick Pirovano says that Lambert is still very much in the artist development stage. “We’re breaking an artist,” he says. “We want him to be more than just an ‘American Idol,’ and that takes time.”

    http://www.billboard.com/news/adam-lambert-takes-control-with-trespassing-1007035152.story#/news/adam-lambert-takes-control-with-trespassing-1007035152.story

    This statement from RCA back in May 2012 makes me wonder if RCA knew Adam and 19R contract would be up in Jan 2013. The definition of a developing artist  to me isn’t a one and done album but an artist who the label “takes time” with. I agree that the enormous advances that Idols received was a hard pill for RCA to swallow with the decline in albums sales. I believe idols that came after RCA don’t have the same huge advances like previous Idols. My guess is if RCA/19r contract  expired than that would mean RCA and Adam are free to renegotiate a new deal that may very well include a 360 deal.

  • springboard2

    I think that 19s are some sort of firms for themselves, controlling
    agencies to keep the AI-franchises up through some talented idols after
    the show. They try to make sure the AI stigma is not forgotten
    especially if you are uccessful artist, their proud also(see Carrie) or
    to discard them (see Lee case) they are just there for idols to “ring”
    the bell  the time when they have an album out, something like “don’t
    forget where you come from”, we give you a performance on AI stage so
    try not to lose your AI audience through your music. That’s why there
    are so many message-songs, safe music, clean suits and nice dresses on
    AI stage, the safe-artist’s place to be, when in general, in the music
    world there is no personal safeness for the images or sometimes through
    messages, like two different worlds.

    Interesting theory, it would explain many things.
    Adam has been an exception in terms of not being a clean-cut artist though.

  • Larc

    I definitely think Adam is far better off without 19R.  If they were doing anything for him other than reducing the thickness his wallet, I don’t know what it was.  19R’s apparent principal activity is standing with their hands out for their piece of the pie and doing little or nothing in return.  That evidently doesn’t meet the legal definition of extortion, although it pretty much satisfies Webster.  ;)

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    I believe Adam is still with RCA for the very simple reason that it would make zero sense to have one press cycle about Adam parting ways with 19R (with the potential for negative spin), only to follow it shortly thereafter with news breaking about a split with RCA.  Why risk a double-barreled dose of potentially negative press?

  • mouse999

    After careful reading all the comments I still don’t understand what was function of 19R , what they did for Adam.
    Except taking money.

  • Chicagolaw

    I would love if this was an early indication that he had made a label change. But, if it remains RCA, I will just hope that everything moves “smoother” with the next album. Wherever he ultimately ends up, parting with 19R appears to be a good thing.

  • standtotheright

    This sounds like the generic scripted response that is offered up by mgmt. Discussions doesn’t mean it will lead to a real product.

    I agree with this, but it also means that his management team is doing its job. Adam and RCA probably are negotiating terms, particularly financial, but if it turns out that both sides can’t agree on compensation, then Lambert gets to walk away with the “creative differences” explanation already established and DMG gets to promote him to other labels “who better understand his vision.” 19M didn’t ever seem to understand the importance of being proactive that way.

    It could go either way, really. I wish him the best, whatever that happens to be.

  • iani

    Adam has been an exception in terms of not being a clean-cut artist though.

    Yes, it’s true, but with the collaboration between 19R and RCA has made him, especially with the second album, a safer artist, thinking of the selection of singles for example. Now his management woks well to keep his artist image up all over the world, the future success of Adam is in his good voice, image and his personal artist flexibility, he’ll be invited everywhere to sing even with no RCA tag, he’s already made of name/create an artist for himself.

  • jan

    I’d be shocked if RCA dropped an artist whose last album debuted at #1 in multiple countries and who continues to generate revenue and interest from around the world.

    Multiple is a vague term. It looks like it debuted at #1 in three countries – U.S., Canada, and Hungary.

    Continues to generate revenue.. around the world? How much revenue? Has it gone gold or platinum in any other countries – even when the thresholds for gold and platinum are extremely low.

    I do agree that Adam continues to generate interest from around the world. I don’t see any proof that he has generated significant revenue for the record label – domestically or around the world.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    Being dropped from your label obviously isn’t good, but being “dropped” from this thing called 19R is another thing. WTF is 19R? I’ve worked a considerable time with music publishing, so I know a little bit about the music industry and I’ve no f… idea about the utility of 19R. It seems to be an intermediary company just useful to take some pennies from the artist. It seems there are several Idols with a label but not with 19R.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    According to the contract details posted by MJ a while ago, the new Idols under UMG (Scotty and Lauren, both minors at the time) have much less lucrative contracts than Idols from S6 (Jordin) and S7 (Archie), who were minors and had the details of their contracts revealed.

    http://www.mjsbigblog.com/scotty-mccreery-and-lauren-alaina-contract-details-revealed.htm

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    iani I agree with you is that part of 19R’s mission via involvement in the recording of initial albums is to protect that AI franchise by making sure the albums never venture out of PG territory. No curse words, nothing explicitly sexual (as in graphic descriptions), singles that are adult or wholesome teen friendly. Nothing to stop grandma from buying the CD for the grandkids basically.

    That said I’m not really mad at them, they do work for the points on that first album anyway. Its a trade off but one the Idols signed up for, and Idols do get some serious perks in return. After that first album 19R can become a real liability though IMO. It depends on the artist I think.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    I always find this contract business so fascinating.  This is an interesting turn of events.  Since Adam dropped 19M, he seems to have been making moves to sever all ties with 19E.  First with signing onto new management that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Idol.

    If I know anything about Adam, is that he’s a planner and that whatever changes that have happened or will happen in the near future have NOT caught him by surprise.

    I think he’s cleaning house and re-structuring his business arrangements to suit him and his vision for his career.  He needs to find people that “get” him, think outside the box and have new innovative strategies to promote a unique artist.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out that Adam and RCA have parted ways either.  I also wouldn’t surprised if his management have already started shopping around for other potential label deals.  One that is more suited to Adam.  I’ve never been impressed with how they handled Adam and radio.  I think they’re weak with radio play in general.

    I’ve always felt that 19R (and not just for Adam but for ALL Idols) had/have a very limited vision that doesn’t extend much beyond capitalizing on Idol fame.  These Idol alumni need much more than that if they want to have a long career post Idol.

    Kelly Clarkson seems to be chafing under her deal and has been itching to get out from under them for a while.  Fantasia’s got to much personal drama for her to be paying close attention to her business.  The only one that seems content is Carrie Underwood.

    I’m very curious to see what future moves Adam makes.

  • justmefornow

    You are correct about the other Idols, James Durbin is managed by 19M and signed to Wind-Up Records. He was never signed to 19R, but would have been if he had signed with Interscope after Season 10.
    I’m hoping he won’t be managed by 19M much longer too. The sooner he gets away from everything 19 related, IMO, the better off he’ll be. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    With three straight flop singles and no Grammy nominations for the new album, it’s no wonder they split.  RCA will probably drop him soon as well and it’s hard to blame them.  He had a successful first album with a hit single but the lackluster new album didn’t continue that.  You don’t get endless chances with big labels, you have to bring in more than they are spending.  Or at least get Grammy nominations- and he couldn’t even manage that with the new album.

  • irockhard

    Yes correct, James, Casey Abrams and Stefano are all signed to labels but not 19R.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    I wonder if Adam will sign a 360 deal.  He may not be raking it in with hit singles, but he has no problem lining up high paying performance gigs all over the world.  And he seems to be moving towards more hosting and acting stuff.

  • irockhard

    19R doesn’t have any special agreement with Wind-up, that’s why was able to get out of signing with them.

    Actually I think his contract with 19M is up soon, yay!

  • iani

    That said I’m not really mad at them, they do work for the points on that first album anyway.

    I’m not mad at them(19s) either for protecting the AI franchise, it’s their rights for the idols’ good exposure on the show, I am mad though for the faux appearances they master to leave to them(idols) and show how much they care of their careers. 19s are groups of busy people for groups of idols, DC and Adam shared in the same time some people, I think Kris and C Daughtry too, they take care for careers in general, formed templates to follow for their work-day schedule. How successful DC was on the show and right after he got only  Joanna Pacitti’s manager for example, nothing over the top in MO for his big success.

  • tripp_ncwy

    What does 19E (19R/19M) do?  

    http://www.songwriteruniverse.com/iain-pirie-123.htm

    DK: When your artists are working on their albums, do you look for songs for them?

    Pirie: Yes. Sometimes I take the lead in finding songs, and sometimes the label takes the lead. For example, with Daughtry and David Cook, I worked closely with (A&R execs) Ashley Newton and Pete Ganbarg on their projects. I recently worked very closely with Universal Nashville for Scotty’s and Lauren’s albums. I work closely with Carrie Underwood on her albums, including finding songs and setting up co-writing sessions. I have a good rapport with the vast majority of the “A” list songwriters. and we work together to come up with the best songs for our artists.

    DK: Do you send out email song searches to these hit songwriters when your artists need songs?
    Pirie: I prefer to meet in-person with songwriters as often as I can. I enjoy the personal connection of working with them. With Carrie, we made a big effort to cross-pollinate the best Los Angeles and Nashville songwriters for her. We would mix it up–there would be an L.A. writer and Nashville writer collaborating on songs with Carrie personally. Carrie has become a very strong writer in her own right.

  • Kitwana

    MJ, could you do me a huge favor. I think you and Shirley Halperin are friendly. Could you ask her why she hates David Archuleta. It seemed like she went out of her way to put a negative spin on David Archuleta leaving Jive (relying on a fired manager as a source and using a headline that did not in fact correspond with what a Jive rep said) but has put a very positive spin when others like Cook or Adam leave. I know she’s a Cook fan but why does she feel the need to tear Archie down? Thanks in advance.

  • heartly

    But anyway, it seems like 19R is always in the mix when it comes to recording the albums. Perhaps that fades over time, but 19R remains the middleman contractually and is still entitled to points. As far as Kelly and Carrie etc, it is not uncommon for a highly successful act originally signed through a production deal to renegotiate so that they can get paid from the label directly and get a more points. But the production company will still try to be in the mix somehow. I suspect some kind of legal mumbo jumbo along those lines happened with them.

    I don’t know about the newer acts and really, there isn’t a blanket contract that they use for everyone, but from what I can tell this is close to the truth for at least Kelly and I’m guessing Carrie too.  She’s mentioned here and there over the years, and even during her Stronger album cycle, that there are a lot of cooks in the kitchen during the recording process and 19R is one of them.  They still have some say in what makes the end product.  At the same time, I think it’s hard to look to Kelly and Carrie (or perhaps even Daughtry) when contract things come up because as you and some others have mentioned they’ve renegotiated already, Kelly maybe even more than once, so they aren’t operating until the initial contract that was offered to them anymore.

    I think it’d be interesting if someone had the time to go through the album credits of those that recorded with 19R involvement and find the common songwriters on them… that might give a tangible idea of one of the ways 19R is in the fold.  I haven’t paid real close attention to that over the years but I have noted that there have been some common writers used.  Maybe it isn’t as great as I’m thinking it is though.

    Add Jennifer Hudson to the RCA label.  She, Kelly C. and Fantasia are signed to Clive Davis, unless things have changed.

    Clive’s nothing more than a novelty at Sony anymore but with an official sounding title of Chief Creative Officer and an official bloated salary.  He’s only involved with his favorites anymore and I don’t think he’s had any involvement with Kelly since her AIEW wanted album and I think that was even in limited quantities.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    When did “contract expired in Januaruy” = “dropped.” I am confused!
    I’ll bet here are 9 other Idols on that 19R list wishing they could get that $$ noose from around their necks!
    I heart DMG!! 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     Starity Mag (Hun) 2013 Year: Discussions Are With Adam Lambert’s New Album:

    Officially
    announced that Adam has taken a big step to move to the next level in
    performing arts, that left 19 Records, which is an automatic American
    Idol “mentor.” The interesting thing is that Adam in August 2011, signed a new 18
    month contract with 19 Entertainment, but now that it has expired, did
    not wish to extend. The remains of the RCA record label, whose off file sharing if they said the singer’s decision: “Both sides had a good step. Adam implement the plans, and 19 do not affect any more. ”
    Lambert,
    however, you want to go further and even more targeted audience, such
    third studio disk already started the negotiations, and if all goes
    well, 2013 new design, promotion and sound occurs.

    All of the publisher, as well as to the Lambert hints that the third
    album definitely want to turn back to the Rock, and songs that you want
    to do, such as Whole Lotta Love.
    Forrás: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://starity.hu/magazin/34416-folynak-a-targyalasok-adam-lambert-uj-albumarol/&usg=ALkJrhiLpe0qLkKSfGFYa1GBsa1JK2SixQ#ixzz2Hmg0sXa3Adam Lambert Officially Done With 19 Recordings, Third Album Talks Begin:http://musicdnews.net/?p=515Adam Lambert, 19 Recordings ‘Amicably’ Part Ways Although Lambert saw little radio play in the U.S. for his latest offering, Trespassing (which debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 album chart), his success overseas has cemented his status as an international artist.Read more at http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/adam-lambert-19-recordings-amicably-part-1008087362.story#1w3MZoUyKqMgpXvE.99

  • Miz

    I’ve always thought of 19R as a label being akin to a singer claiming to be a songwriter whose sole contribution is changing ‘she’ to ‘he’ or ‘a’ to ‘the’ and then getting song writing credit so they can collect.

  • elliegrll

    19M didn’t ever seem to understand the importance of being proactive that way.

    I don’t think that there is anyone at 19 who knows the definition of the word proactive.  For the most part, and I guess this is understandable, their main focus is on promoting the show.  One thing that has hurt many alums is that the period where they should be focused on establishing themselves as new artists is usually spent on using their name and or time promoting the show, and being marketed to the AI audience, who may not be the audience for their music.  

  • springboard2

    Read more at http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz

    The Billboard article is a rehash of the THR one that appears to be their source. I would have thought that Billboard were above this kind a practice!

  • Liteasy

    This sounds to me that he’s been dropped just like a number of other Idols during the past years.

  • girlygirltoo

    Yes, but as we all know, she is a huge Adam fan, so she might be reluctant to be the one to break that news. It also could be that there has been no clear resolution to whether he will stay with the label. Or he could have already re-upped with RCA. Honestly, I won’t be surprised if he gets a 3rd album with the label, but neither will I be stunned if he splits with RCA. It doesn’t seem as clear cut with Adam as it has been with most of the other Idols who end up leaving (or getting dropped, depending on your personal definition) their label.

    What does seem pretty clear is that his management is focusing more on touring, especially overseas, right now than it is on putting out new music, radio play, etc. If that’s the direction they decide to go long term with Adam, the next question is that something RCA would be comfortable with enough to release, and really support, a 3rd album.

    I don’t know the answers to any of this. I’m looking forward to seeing what Adam does with his career going forward, whether or not he remains with RCA.

  • girlygirltoo

    Kris is managed by Pearl Group Entertainment (PGE), which is headed by Stirling McElwaine (who used to work for 19). That is the same company that manages Chris Daughtry.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     SO true.  AI’s first priority is AI.  And if an Idol can be used to make AI look good, then all the better.  They have little interest in developing careers of Idols beyond their connection to AI.

    And, question, isn’t RCA kind of in flux now?  As are many of the Sony labels?  With Jive shuttering, they need to figure out who they will inherit and who they will cut.  It just sounds like a bad situation for Adam.  I’m kinda hoping he gets out of it and into a more stable label situation.

  • elliegrll

    I’d be shocked if RCA dropped an artist whose last album debuted at #1 in multiple countries and who continues to generate revenue and interest from around the world.

    The industry is focused on “what have you done for me lately.”  A number one debut is a great talking point, but the people who crunch the numbers want an album to have legs.  Selling 170K is not going to cover the costs of the advance, production, and especially promotion.  

    It’s also really different to debut with selling over a million copies, and debuting selling 70K, and barely doubling that over the course of six months.  And of course the biggest problem is showing that Adam can keep selling despite his current situation with radio.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kerry-Kolsch/550367798 Kerry Kolsch

    Cook and Archie have interest in some parts of Asia. Archie is more popular than Cook. Neither match Adam’s popularity or talent. Adam’s vocals are extraordinary and he is the best live performer of this generation. Stop insinuating that Adam’s career is distressed by comparing him to lessor talents. Record sales are no longer a major source of income for a recording artist, so in reality, Adam’s growing success as a live entertainer is more relevant than sales.

  • irockhard

    Record sales were never a major source of income for an artist, they are and have always been the major source of income for the labels. Nowadays with declining record sales major labels are signing more and more new artists to 360 deals so that they can profit from the artists’ tour revenue to compensate for low record sales.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kerry-Kolsch/550367798 Kerry Kolsch

    Adam was not “dropped”, his contract expired.  19M has always cared more about American Idol than any individual artist. In my opinion 19M hurt Adam’s career because of the Season 8 cheating. Adam’s success proved that the Season 8 results were wrong. I am glad that they will no longer have any power over Adam’s career.

  • Mateja Praznik

     I think RCA’s merger with Jive is long done.

  • iani

    One thing
    that has hurt many alums is that the period where they should be
    focused on establishing themselves as new artists is usually spent on
    using their name and or time promoting the show, and being marketed to
    the AI audience, who may not be the audience for their music.
     elliegrll

    Exactly, they don’t work for the idol’s personality and musical artistry, they have their HAC format to “play” with and some “hope” for going over other formats, they don’t pay for more than “HAC anf hope”.

    I little out of discussion, I read few comments about Kesha, how RCA has had so many expectation from her as she is a poping, raping, wilding around artist and  people don’t really appreciate/understand her music. If RCA alone has some questions for an artist as Kesha, what should we expect from a RCA-19R collaboration and confronting ideas? 
      

  • HermeticallySealed

     Pretty much.  19R as far as anyone can tell has nothing to do with any decisions by the real label.  they are just an extra means of making money off of signed contestants.  Once that contract is up, the contestants really have no seeming motive to resign.

  • curly_yenta

    If your record label contract is up (expired) and the label chooses not to extend or renegoiate it, it’s called “being dropped”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kerry-Kolsch/550367798 Kerry Kolsch

    You can’t compare Adam Lambert with Kris Allen. Adam Lambert is one of the most talented vocalist of all time. Allen is an ordinary guy whose hometown university powertexted for his undeserved win. Allen is singing in 100 seat venues at $18.00 a pop and they are not sold out. Adam will be selling out huge venues. If Adam’s US career does not take off he can tour with Queen. Kris has singing for queens in his future as well, the Toad Suck Queens back in Arkansas.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kerry-Kolsch/550367798 Kerry Kolsch

    David Cook never had Adam’s international sales. 

  • wordnerdarchie

    If Adam gets a 360 deal he stays with RCA, if not I think the terms will be such that he’ll have no recourse but to walk/or he’ll be released.  How much popcorn will I need for the next 4 months?

  • HermeticallySealed

    Yeah, but as far as we have heard, only the 19R contract expired.  That is not his label.  19r is a label only by technicality.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lisa-Walker/100003588396061 Lisa Walker

    I dont know a lot about the structure of the industry but can only be good in my opinion.  Idol was always only about 19 getting as much money out of the show and the contestants as possible, their priority was 19 and Idol not the long term careers of the contestants. 

    As for RCA, its hard to tell, as a big label they are set up to handle distribution and promotion for pop stars who are a sure thing.  The way the album was handled shows that Adam is not a priority for them at all and they were not able to get any real air time for him which is key to pop sales in the US.  I dont see what would change for the next album.

    However, he does get air time elsewhere and is performing in arenas around the globe so he makes money, I think RCA would stay with him if he did a 360 deal so they can make money other than just record sales and getting rid of 19R will free up more money. 

    After the way RCA screwed up this album release I wouldnt be surprised if Adam wanted to go to another label but he may be stuck with RCA for longer yet.  Plus he does need an international label and they are all under the same pressure of declining sales

  • rbidol

    Honestly. This conversation is about record deals, which is all about sales. In the big picture, Adam and Kris are in similar places: freshmen albums which produced radio hits, sophomore albums which failed to produce hits (and Adam was given three chances–three singles–Kris only one). From the perspective of pure numbers, they have ended up in a similar place, especially when compared to Kelly or Carrie…and even more so when compared to Adele or Taylor Swift.

    Sure, Adam’s large personality will lend itself more naturally toward alternative options, like acting or hosting shows…but his record company cares primarily about his selling potential. It is not likely that an artist over-30-years-old is going to start doing better than he has already done, and from the stand point of sales and radio, what he has done is probably insufficient. Old grudges and unlikely rumors about Kris Allen and the wily people of Arkansas have nothing to do with it.

  • curly_yenta

    I understand that, but an apple is an apple, even if you call it a peach, if you get my point.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDQP2Y46M5B3OHOKALDDGDHQCM Leandro

    In my opinion 19M hurt Adam’s career because of the Season 8 cheating. Adam’s success proved that the Season 8 results were wrong.

    Oh god, kill me now.

  • irockhard

    Wish I could help ya out but I myself am dying with laughter!

  • http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

    I don’t think it matters whether Adam was dropped or parted ways or whatever with 19R. Who really cares? The important relationship is the one with RCA. That’s where time will tell. Personally I think it could go either way. I could see why they would keep him but I could also see where they would be offering up less in recording/promotion/advance budgets than they did last time. Who knows if Adam will find the deal lucrative from his end.

    As far as 19, I know people love to hate them and no they are not perfect, but the fact remains that most of the signees get access to top hit songwriters and high level national promo for their initial albums. No matter how talented they are, they will go nowhere without hits, and even the ones who write don’t have any experience writing highly commercial songs with catchy hooks. Even so 19R WILL hook them up with professionals so they can begin to learn how to do it – an extremely valuable occurrence many newbies would kill for. Not only that, many of them get to tour nationally. Idols get way more than the average new artist. Now in return they are supposed to be good ambassadors for the franchise and deliver mainstream commercial success, and yes the stakes are high and hard to reach, but really they get A LOT in return. A LOT.

    19R’s main weakness if if your image and/or needs don’t mesh well with their image needs/connections they don’t know what to do for you. But really, no one entity is good at every genre possible. To me people have crazy high expectations as to just what 19R/M & RCA can do. Everyone’s snowflake will not be a star. Sometime shit just doesn’t work out despite everyone’s best intentions. Sometimes people make bad decisions or roll the dice and it doesn’t work. Sometimes ultimately the artist is a bad fir for the franchise but since said artist walked in willingly… I mean what are you gonna do?

  • HermeticallySealed

     And yet, it doesn’t apply in this situation.  19r has nothing to do with any of the contestants beyond taking money for 19. You can not accurately claim it a “label” drop.  This is nothing like that type of situation, no matter how far one tries to stretch it.

    Now, if the RCA contract expired (which it may have, I have no clue what their conditions were) and they chose to not renew, that could be argued to be a label drop, as THEY are the actual label. 

  • Mateja Praznik

    Honestly, really, enough is enough. As much as I agree that Adam should have won season 8, the whole thing is now history. Time to move on.

  • suenigma

    Winning friends and influencing people since 2009. :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     Orihara Kaoru
    ?@oriharakaoru

    @lyndseyparker What do you think of Adam splitting from 19R? Good or bad?

    Lÿndsey Parker
    ?@lyndseyparker

    @oriharakaoru He is still with RCA. He’ll be fine. Not worried.

  • Karen C

    Actually, David Cook and Adams worldwide sales on both albums are close to each other, I believe around 1.5 millilion on the first, and 150000 on the second with the majority of DC’s sales in the US.   And in the US, David Cook is the only one of the three to have a platinum album, though all of them have platinum singles.  As for popularity all are very  popular in Asia.  However, Adam is more well known in Europe, Russia, Australia and New Zealand, but the others were not marketed there either.

    They are all different artists, with different goals, also.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Clay fought(Didn’t he sue them or something?) to be out of 19R but I’m not sure if he was still with his major label(RCA?) when he successfully get out of 19R like Adam is.

  • irockhard

    I think it was 19M that he fought, ditto for Kelly.

  • elliegrll

     

    SO true.  AI’s first priority is AI.  And if an Idol can be used to make AI look good, then all the better.  They have little interest in developing careers of Idols beyond their connection to AI.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think that 19’s main focus should be the show, but that just means that it is a conflict of interest for them to act as the artists’ management or label.

  • Incipit

     How much popcorn will I need for the next 4 months? 

    Heh. Hard to say, wordnerdarchie. I’m partial to Kettle Corn, so I’ll likely lay in a supply of that. One thing for sure, it won’t go to waste.

    This whole 360 deal thing is fascinating, from the time the record companies started pushing it in the early 2000’s (with few takers) to now, where they appear to be trying to use it as leverage by attaching it to the record deals…so they can profit from the artists’ appearances, since they don’t seem very capable anymore of choosing and promoting singles that the radio PTB want to play – and that’s where they ‘used’ to make their money. 

    It’s all about their profit margins, and it strikes me as an indictment of the label’s business practices; they always profited at the expense of the artists, but they used to confine themselves to creative accounting for the albums, singles and videos. Now they want a piece of everything…even monies that were formerly only being shared with management, like Merch and VIP’s and private gigs…and whatever money the artist makes for appearances. I wonder just what, if anything, they are doing/planning to do that earns them that cut?

    As far as overseas sales, the Labels know – but there is no reliable answer for the fans. Facts are few on the ground, so assumptions abound, and even ways that one might use as a check, like a song’s popularity on a radio station, or the length of time it holds in the top percentile don’t actually work in countries where piracy is rampant. Every so often, we get a crumb, as we did when DC was just in Singapore and they gave him a Gold Award for DCTR. In Singapore, Gold requires 5,000 in sales. That’s one of those rare facts, but we don’t get many…and assumptions aren’t useful at all, IMO.

    But, they are always good for popcorn consumption. *snerk*

     

  • elliegrll

    I don’t think it matters whether Adam was dropped or parted ways or whatever with 19R. Who really cares? The important relationship is the one with RCA.

    I agree.  Outside of the bubble this isn’t a story.  I doubt that most people know or care about 19’s involvement.  The real story is what does this mean in terms of Adam and RCA, and so far Adam’s management and Shirley are releasing the right statements.   Nothing about what they have released makes the situation look bad for Adam.

    Inside of the bubble, people can wonder about the fact that Adam is the first alum to still have a deal with his major label, but not 19R.   There’s a lot of speculation that can go on as far as that is concerned.

  • Liteasy

    Well they didn’t renew his contract, so that’s the same as being dropped – just like in a job.  If your a contract type of individual and you don’t get renewed, that’s being dropped!

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Oh, my bad… sorry;)

    So Adam is the first one to get out of 19R contract but still with his major label then?

  • Larc

    Agreed!  I think somebody different should have won several Idol seasons.  But voters determine who gets the title and bragging rights.  In the long run, though, the market determines the real winner.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     Seems so.  That’s probably why most of us don’t know what to make of the situations.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    This story looks like it went from 19R to Shirley — and was put out on Friday PM because it is not good for CORE Media. Adam is one of the most famous and currently successful artists from Idol. No longer having royalties from his future music is not good for CORE.

    Just because 19 Recordings was a party to Adam’s RCA contract (meaning they got of share of royalties from the first 4 years recordings), there is no indication that they ever played an active role in anything except collecting money. And, the will continue to collect money from FYE, Trespassing and Adam’s other releases from 2009-2012. (4 years)

    No matter what happens with RCA — and I believe that Adam will do his next album with them — being free of this portion of the Idol contact is great for Adam. If RCA foolishly dropped him (which I do not believe with happen), I am certain he would be resigned to a major label contact quickly.

    **

    When is the last time that a major label dropped an artist whose last album was #1 on the BB 200? #1 in Canada and charted in 22 countries?

    **

    On the comparisons between Adam and Cook and Archie being popular Internationally. Over 50% of Adam’s sales are outside the US. The only other Idol  with such a high percentage of non-US sales is Jordin Sparks. (Kelly also does very well internationally but her US sales are much larger — she is just not comparable to the other Idols.)

    Both of Adam’s albums charted in many, many more countries.

    Cook –
    Album #1 – charted in US, Canada, Finland
    Album #2 – charted in US, Canada, South Korea

    Archie –
    Album #1 – charted in US, Canada
    Christmas – charted in US
    Album #2 –  charted in US, Canada

    Adam –
    Album #1
    Chart (2009–2010)
    Peak

    position
    Australian Albums Chart[44]
    5

    Austrian Albums Chart[45]
    22

    Belgium Albums Chart (Flanders)[46]
    56

    Billboard European Albums[47]
    46

    Canadian Albums Chart[48]
    7

    Danish Albums Chart[49]
    30

    Dutch Albums Chart[50]
    25

    Finnish Albums Chart[51]
    4

    French Albums Chart[52]
    106

    German Albums Chart [53]
    16

    Greek International Albums Chart[54]
    5

    Hungarian Albums Chart[55]
    20

    Irish Albums Chart[56]
    60

    Italian Albums Chart[57]
    65

    Japanese Albums Chart[58]
    29

    New Zealand Albums Chart[59]
    5

    Portuguese Albums Chart[60]
    26

    Swedish Albums Chart[61]
    8

    Swiss Albums Chart[62]
    34

    UK Albums Chart[63]
    36

    U.S. Billboard 200[48]
    3
    Album #2
    Chart (2012)
    Peak

    position
    Australian Albums Chart[52]
    10

    Austrian Albums Chart[53]
    28

    Belgian Albums Chart (Flanders)[54]
    64

    Belgian Albums Chart (Wallonia)[55]
    132

    Brazil Albums Chart[56]
    8

    Canadian Albums Chart
    1

    Czech Albums Chart[57]
    29

    Danish Albums Chart[58]
    10

    Dutch Albums Chart[59]
    30

    Finnish Albums Chart[60]
    2

    German Albums Chart[61]
    28

    Hungarian Albums Chart[62]
    1

    Japanese Albums Chart[63]
    15

    New Zealand Albums Chart[64]
    4

    Norwegian Albums Chart[65]
    32

    Portuguese Albums Chart[66]
    19

    South Korean Albums Chart’[67][A]
    16

    Russian Albums Chart[68]
    13

    Swedish Albums Chart[69]
    20

    Swiss Albums Chart[70]
    35

    UK Albums Chart[71]
    16

    U.S. Billboard 200[72]
    1
    Source Wikipedia, may not be accurate but is close.

  • irockhard

    I’m not sure that Adam is still with RCA, it appears that he’s no longer under his contract with them and is in negotiations with them for a new contract.

  • shell29

    I agree with others who’ve said they won’t be surprised if Adam stays with RCA nor will they be surprised if both parties decide to ‘part ways’. We’ve heard from Adam’s management but not RCA yet. One positive is that RCA hasn’t shown signs of giving up on Adam as they have with the Idols they recently dropped (getting two more singles after the first didn’t take off vs. ‘one & done’ with the guys who were eventually dropped). I’m sure we’ll hear something more definitive regarding Adam’s long term status with RCA soon.

  • washpd

    If it was given purely by 19R to Shirley, why does she have a statement from Adam’s management? 

  • waitingforthe1

     

    Multiple is a vague term. It looks like it debuted at #1 in three countries – U.S., Canada, and Hungary.

    more than 2 is multiple and he debuted in the top 10 in even more. 

    Continues to generate revenue.. around the world? How much revenue?
    Has it gone gold or platinum in any other countries – even when the
    thresholds for gold and platinum are extremely low.

    Album sales aren’t the only way to generate revenue.  As for it’s certifications, I don’t know.  I don’t focus on sales because it’s only one piece of the bigger picture. 

    I do agree that Adam continues to generate interest from around the
    world. I don’t see any proof that he has generated significant revenue
    for the record label – domestically or around the world.

    I don’t see proof that he hasn’t and since we don’t have access to RCA’s financial records I guess neither of us knows for sure.

  • Larc

    Do we know with absolute certainty whether 19R declined to renew Adam’s contract or whether they did and he declined their offer?  There are two parties to be considered, both with control over the outcome.  I can’t see that Adam’s continued association with 19R would have any advantage at all for him unless getting robbed is considered a goal.  He should have been counting the days until his contract expired with the same enthusiasm kids count the days until Christmas.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”According to sources, January marked the expiration for that contract, although he is still on the roster at RCA Records.”

    Shirley H. was the first one to break the news, I think ”the sources” that were mentioned on her article were actually from 19R so she didn’t have the reason to say that he is still with RCA if in fact he was already been dropped. I just don’t get it. As some posters said, other Idols who split with 19R were being dropped FIRST from their labels before the 19 split up.

    ”I’m not sure that Adam is still with RCA,it appears that he’s no longer under his contract with them and is in negotiations with them for a new contract.”

    Under negotations or not, the fact that RCA doesn’t issue any statements regarding ”dropping” Adam, therefore, he IS still with RCA.

  • Kitwana

    “Under negotations or not, the fact that RCA doesn’t issue any statements regarding ”dropping” Adam, therefore, he IS still with RCA.”

    Did Shirley even try to seek comment from RCA for this story?   http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/idol-worship/adam-lambert-19-recordings-part-411719 In a story like this, you would expect a line like “RCA was not available for comment” or “RCA declined to comment”.  Is Shirley really a journalist or simply a PR flack in the guise of a legitimate journalist?  I don’t know.  

  • seldomused

    Well they didn’t renew his contract, so that’s the same as being dropped – just like in a job. If your a contract type of individual and you don’t get renewed, that’s being dropped!

    But do we know who didn’t renew with whom?

    My brother-in-law is a contract worker for the Government.  When his contract was up last year, the Gov’t offered to renew the contract, my bro-in-law chose not to renew with them.  So it could have been 19R who chose not to renew, OR it could have been Adam’s choice.

    I re-read the article and the way it is worded makes it difficult to ascertain who was the party that chose to walk away from the contract… 
    Maybe it was mutual – neither party having any desire to renew the K with other.

    And I wonder if it matters in the long run since by all accounts 19R isn’t good for most Idol alums’ financial health anyway.

  • suenigma

    “Over 50% of Adam’s sales are outside the US.”

    This is an absolute fact in terms of FYE, whereas it has not been accurately established for the Trespassing Era. But moving on…

    As others have said, if RCA can negotiate a 360 with Adam they would be crazy not to keep him. If not, the path is not so clear. It is inconceivable that RCA actually made a profit off of single or album sales this Era, and that is not likely the change with the next album., so a 360 is probably their bottom line. The real question here is, would Adam be willing to sign a 360 deal with RCA?

    RCA is not making him rich from album sales or radio play, in fact he probably didnt get a dime. He is making himself rich from working his ass off and being a big international concert draw and a media magnet. Why fork over a chunk of that substantial profit to RCA? His management is getting him great exposure and lucrative gigs – Im very impressed. Why not sign with a smaller Label who would be delighted with 100,000 to 200,000 in domestic sales, plus the possibility that one of his singles could hit big, and then continue raking in the concert and merchandise revenues for himself? Seriously, what does RCA bring to the table except bloated production costs, interminable delays, poor single choices, artistic constraint, and crappy radio promo?

  • jan

     

    Over 50% of Adam’s sales are outside the US.

    Where does this information come from?

    the U.S. . . . accounts for 75% of Adam’s worldwide sales. (RCAEd Jan 25, 2011 http://www.adamofficial.com/us/node/1905022?page=2)

    RCA Ed stated that 25% of Adam’s sales come from outside the U.S. Is there any reason to believe he didn’t know the numbers? Is there any reason to believe that he was lying? Is there any reason to believe that the numbers changed significantly with album 2?

  • Larc

    The RCA logo is still showing on Adam’s site.  However, the 19R logo has already been removed.  Adam is still listed on the RCA Artists page.

  • breakdown

    This is why there are entertainment attorneys! Too confusing. I think rarely are these mutual partings really mutual. Record labels are in the business of making money and if an artist does not produce then they are gone. Artists may be happier personally and success is subjective but I think there is always a decrease in income and popularity involved. It’s important for artists to be songwriters because they get a bigger piece of the recording pie, as well as hopefully writing songs for other artists. The majority of the money is in touring. Of course, this is all my humble opinion.

    P.S. We all think our “idol” is the best so why even bring the old fan wars crap up?!

  • everything

    http://perezhilton.com/2013-01-12-adam-lambert-label-split
    Perez Hilton didn’t waste any time……

  • Bbabie

    Hello Everyone!

    It’s too early to comment on changes that is happening to Adam at the moment.

    In the “Adam Lambert Speaks to The press In Vietnam (Video) Thread”.

    I made some predictions about “something coming to an end”(19R) and “a new beginning which I am excited about”. We will see!

    Adam attracts all sorts of conversations-Good or bad.For me this is one aspect of what it means to be a star.

    The question is does RCA understand Adam’s vision or will a third album get any promotion than this era?  I think this is what fans are unsure about. RCA will also want their partnership to be profitable. Also if he goes to an edgy label will they be any better? Questions galore? Who knows.

    One thing I am sure about is that Adam is a visual artist. If they can put together some sort visual package-(whatever that means) together then its worth  it. If he is already shopping around for a TV/Movie slot he better make sure its more visual-this where he shines although he does brilliantly in other areas too.

    There you have it.

    Thanks

    regards

    B-Babie

  • waitingforthe1

    With three straight flop singles and no Grammy nominations for the new
    album, it’s no wonder they split.

    BTIKM peaked at #18 on HAC –
    NCOE peaked at #35 on HAC, #6 on Dance
    Trespassing peaked at #33 on Dance

    Not as successful as WWFM or IIHY but not flops on the same scale as other idol singles.  if no grammy nominations were a reason for artists to be dropped by their label a lot of artists would be in trouble.

    RCA will probably drop him soon as
    well and it’s hard to blame them.

    Maybe they will, maybe they won’t.  Only time will tell but I have every belief that IF he leaves RCA DMG will find him another label without a problem.

    He had a successful first album with a
    hit single but the lackluster new album didn’t continue that.

    The new album debuted at #1 in the U.S., Canada and Hungary.  It also debuted in the top 10 in many other countries.  He’s had major radio hits internationally, U.S. radio not so much.  There is a big world outside the borders of the USA and record labels look at ALL markets not just the U.S.  Adam has the advantage of having a large international fanbase.

    You
    don’t get endless chances with big labels, you have to bring in more
    than they are spending.  Or at least get Grammy nominations- and he
    couldn’t even manage that with the new album.

    Again, we don’t have access to financial records of RCA so no one here knows if they’ve made more than they spent. 

    As for Grammy nominations being a deciding factor for whether RCA will drop him…well… from what I can gather they have approximately 78 artists currently signed, of those 78 only 7 got Grammy nominations this year. 

    19R doesn’t have any special agreement with Wind-up, that’s why James was able to get out of signing with them.

    I don’t think James “got out” of signing with 19R, I don’t think they exercised their right to sign him after the tour.

  • irockhard

    Interesting comment from the poster MasterClass:

    “Earth to Glamberts. 19R was his record label. He is only LICENSED to RCA. When he was dropped by 19R he lost any relationship with RCA”

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”Did Shirley even try to seek comment from RCA for this story?   http://www.hollywoodreporter.c… In a story like this, you would expect a line like “RCA was not available for comment” or “RCA declined to comment”.”

    The news of split up is between Adam and 19R, not Adam and RCA. We’re not sure if she did reach out to the label or DMG just gave all the information that she needed.

    And about RCA not issuing any statement MAYBE because there is nothing to issue?

    Got a question though, When Cook and Archie got dropped, were the reports of ”parting ways” between 19 and RCA/Jive issued in separate announcements? Say like a week or so apart?

    ”You’re dreaming if you believe that journalists – even legitimate ones – don’t write with personal biases.”

    I have no idea about Shirley being bias, what I do know is that her reports are legitimate. This article’s sources are legit and therefore she is just doing her job. Her biases with some Idols that she doesn’t really *like* is a whole lot of another discussion.

  • irockhard

    I don’t think James “got out” of signing with 19R, I don’t think they exercised their right to sign him after the tour.

    No, James was offered a deal with Interscope and he turned it down then chose to sign with Wind-up. James is not signed to 19R because Wind-up isn’t bound to the agreement 19R has with UMG. 19M did however exercise their right to sign him before the tour.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ” James was offered a deal with Interscope and he turned it down then chose to sign with Wind-up.”

    Is this a Fan Speculation or were there any videos to proved that Jimmy wanted to sign Durbin?

  • mouse999

    “Master Class” is a Claymate. Her arguments are invalid.

  • washpd

    “BTIKM peaked at #18 on HAC – 
    NCOE peaked at #35 on HAC, #6 on Dance Trespassing peaked at #33 on Dance
    Not as successful as WWFM or IIHY but not flops on the same scale as other idol singles.”
    These are all flops. And I say this as a Kris fan who acknowleged that when his 2nd single of his first album, The Truth, reached only #17 on HAC, that was a flop.

  • Jae

    I admit I am not surprised. I love Adam but the lack of radio support for his singles and the fact that he was doing all this international touring for the album and no US touring had me feeling that I would be hearing this announcement soon. I think it may be a good move. Perhaps he can plug into a label that is better at getting its artists heard. And hopefully getting him some stronger material. Adam had some good opportunities with this album and got to work with some cool people but he still missed the mark a bit with music that radio PDs like. But it’s tough out there. Respected and established artists like Xtina A. can’t get radio play. I think her album didn’t even have Adam’s numbers in first week sales.

  • Kitwana

    “The news of split up is between Adam and 19R, not Adam and RCA. We’re not sure if she did reach out to the label or DMG just gave all the information that she needed.”

    A real journalist would look at the bigger picture and bigger story and not be limited to how the management firm would like to define the story.  To me, it is stunning that Shirley would not at least attempt to seek comment from RCA as to Adam’s status with RCA in light of the change with 19R.  It’s an obvious question, as is evident from the comments on this thread.  Yes, RCA may decline to comment but that does not provide an excuse for not asking.  As I said, when a journalist has asked and has not received a response, the common notation in the story is that RCA declined to comment or could not be reached for comment as at press time.  Journalists must realize that their role is not to be an extension of the PR firm of a celebrity.  No “exclusive” is worth compromising one’s reputation as a legitimate journalist.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    LOL Dude, that comment by RCA ed was way back 2 years ago.

    When Adam was starting to promote his album(GMA) his FYE sales were ALMOST 2Million. If he sold 830k domestically then the 1million would be from internationally.

  • milwlovesadam

     Another, highly probable reason for Adam to not have a Grammy nom this time is due to the changing of the Grammy category for pop vocal.  There is no longer a male and female option. There are no males nominated this year. I think this will simply have to change back.

    I know this isn’t the topic of the thread, I just don’t think Grammy noms have anything to do with Adam separating from 19.

    I still see this as nothing negative. I’m hoping he works with people in the future who “get” him better, release the right singles, for the right audience. He is simply so far superior to most of the crap out there today, there must be a way to market him better.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    Shirley is not a journalist, more like a groupie (same goes for Lyndsey Parker).  Plus, Shirley did not say that Adam is still signed with RCA, just that he is on RCA roster, whatever that means.

  • washpd

    No, James was offered a deal with Interscope and he turned it down then chose to sign with Wind-up. James is not signed to 19R because Wind-up isn’t bound to the agreement 19R has with UMG. 19M did however exercise their right to sign him before the tour.

    I admit I am not up on all the AI contract stuff, but I thought 19R had options to sign all the semifinalists, meaning that if 19R wanted them, they got them, whether the artists wanted to be with another label or not.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Got a question though, When Cook and Archie got dropped, were the
    reports of ”parting ways” between 19 and RCA/Jive issued in separate
    announcements? Say like a week or so apart?

    My memory is fuzzy, but I don’t think there was a report issued from either 19 or RCA regarding David Cook.  Fans noticed when “The Last Song I’ll Write For You” was released on Amazon that it no longer listed RCA Records Label or copyright control 19 Recordings Limited.  He then appeared on Idol and there was a backstage interview where he said he left the label.  Later, Shirley interviewed him on the subject.

  • GRjourney1

    Very few Idols have been marketed in other countries as Adam has.  I realize there has to be interest in order to get a concert in other countries, but I don’t think many Idols have tried to break into the European/Asian market.

    David A. is certainly the most popular Idol in the Philippines, and he is still charting 3 of his songs on Chart Central in the Philippines. He has had great support in other Asian countries.  He was well received when he toured with McFly in the UK, but I don’t think he really tried to jump on that bandwagon.  He is 6X,s platinum in the Philippines, but I have no idea how many CD’s he has sold internationally.  I think Adam is doing the right thing by touring internationally.  He like David and many others can’t seem to get played on the radio here in the states.  Sometimes they have to go elsewhere to make enough money to be able to continue doing music here in the US.   Adam will be fine with this change in status.  David probably had his best year after he left his label and management. 

  • elliegrll

    BTIKM peaked at #18 on HAC – 
    NCOE peaked at #35 on HAC, #6 on Dance 
    Trespassing peaked at #33 on Dance

    None of these numbers tells the whole story.  None of these songs sold well, caught on with the public, or had too much of a presence at radio.

    I don’t think James “got out” of signing with 19R, I don’t think they exercised their right to sign him after the tour.

    And it looks like 19 didn’t exercise any extra options that they had on Adam.  This is speculation, but that probably has something to do with how his next contract with RCA will be structured.  19 is greedy, they aren’t going to let someone go if the person is on solid ground with their label.

    That doesn’t mean that RCA will drop Adam, but the numbers for this era are not great.

  • irockhard

    Proof that Jimmy was considering signing James:

    1. He got to release an Idol Highlights EP
    2. UMG booked a domain (JamesDurbinOfficial) for him under their surver

    Proof that James turned the deal down, he said so in 2 interviews:

    1. Interview with Noise Creep shortly after the vid for LMB was filmed
    2. Interview with Earplugs Required at Rock on the Range

  • Abner4President

    If the 19R/RCA agreement for Adam is anything like that for other Idols, and I see no reason to think it’s not, it’s not as simple as Adam being able to “decline” 19R and their having no say in the matter. If 19R wants to continue on with Adam, and Adam and RCA want to continue to work together, 19R is entitled to the licensing fees from RCA regardless of whether 19R’s current contract with Adam is up. It was either 19R’s choice to let him go or he requested to be let go and they agreed but they would have had every right not to according to the contracts. Again, assuming his contract was like everyone else’s. It’s less an 19R/Adam thing directly as it is 19R/RCA. RCA would always owe 19R a “finder’s fee” of sorts for as long as they make money off of Adam’s music until 19R is willing to step away.

  • Kitwana

    “Shirley is not a journalist, more like a groupie (same goes for Lyndsey Parker).”

    LOL Thanks!  That’s what I thought. How much credibility do we give to groupies haha?

  • irockhard

    Haley was still on Interscope’s roster the day news broke that she was dropped. They took her off a week or 2 later when it spread a bit across the net.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    “RCA Ed stated that 25% of Adam’s sales come from outside the U.S. Is there any reason to believe he didn’t know the numbers? Is there any reason to believe that he was lying? Is there any reason to believe that the numbers changed significantly with album 2?”
    ^^ That is very old information (2 years). And more recently, RCA has also said that FYE has sold close to 2 million worldwide. If the US sales are just under 900K the math says the internationl numbers are about the same, for FYE. There is also a UK site (I have no idea how to access it) that makes very well educated guesses on International sales. They have Trespassing at around 150K internationally which puts its total just over 300K. Not the FYE number, not even close, but still puts gross sales at over 3 million dollars, not counting individual tracks. 

  • Karen C

    My memory is fuzzy, but I don’t think there was a report issued from either 19 or RCA regarding David Cook

    I don’t believe there was either, it was the way you remember. The first sign we knew anything was when “The Last Song I’ll Write for You” was listed on Amazon and Itunes as copyrighted by David Cook, and not 19 R and RCA.  Then the interviews as you decribed.

    Interesting though, they removed the 19 from Adam’s page, with RCA remaining.  Both 19 and RCA are still listed on David’s page.  I think I read though that there is a certain amount of time that it has to remain on the page even if they are dropped.

  • irockhard

    That’s only if they sign with the labels 19R has a contract with. James is not the first Idol to sign with an outside label, Elliot Yamin did the same. I suppose I should also mention that James is represented by one of the top entertainment attorneys in the business.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    huh? no official statement from the label?

    But I remember it was Shirley who broke the news too.
    Anyway, it’s past my bedtime already… Wishing all the Idols a great and long, long career:)

  • fuzzywuzzy

    PH is a real bottom feeder.

  • GRjourney1

    We don’t know if Adam was dropped or if he left on his own.  I don’t know about Cook either, but from what the label said, David A. said, the fact that he dropped his management, and that he was planning to go on the mission, I think it is pretty evident that David A. was not dropped.  His contract ran out, and why would he need a label if he was leaving for 2 years. The media seems to like the dropped story so much better than that they came to a mutual split.
     I still think Adam will be fine.  He’s a talented, smart guy who works very hard like most all of the Idol’s do.  This will not stop his progression.

  • tripp_ncwy

    ” I think I read though that there is a certain amount of time that it has to remain on the page even if they are dropped.”

    I am not sure if that is the case.  We  know from Kris’ mgmt that they have acquired his domain name KAO from Sony and are in the process of revamping and relaunching the site “soon”.   David may/may not be doing the same thing because according to Godaddy, he now owns his DCO domain name.

  • wordnerdarchie

    huh? no official statement from the label?

    If there was one, I didn’t see it.  But Cook seemed to be the invisible man over there.  The label very rarely mentioned him, but I think that’s the way he likes it.  There’s a reason we use the phrase “cone of silence”.

  • Karen C

    It might have only been 6 months or so, so that might still fit with what Kris is doing. I think David will revamp the website when the new album comes out.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    ”Proof that Jimmy was considering signing James:

    1. He got to release an Idol Highlights EP2. UMG reserved a domain (JamesDurbinOfficial) for him under their surver”

    Not enough proof if I must say. But I certainly never heard anyone turning a Major label especially UMG(the leading record label in the world?) to signed up in a small indie one. And I thought it is Interscope who could choose to signed an Alum or not, not the other way around(i.e, Durbin turning down the offer).

  • everything

    I think it is pretty evident that David A. was not dropped. His contract ran out, and why would he need a label if he was leaving for 2 years.

    Sales of his 2nd CD were very weak. He probably saw the writing on the wall. No matter it if his Archuleta or Lambert, if they were such assets/cash cows to their labels, they would do anything to keep them.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    RCA Ed made that statement on Tuesday, January 25, 2011 – 15:33. It was in a specific discussion of single sales and it is not clear what he was referring to — total units, single units, revenue, wholesale revenue, etc.

    **

    I based my % on RCA most recent press release about Adam. From RCA Records — May 2012 “Since the release of
    Lambert’s debut album, For Your Entertainment, in 2009 it has
    sold nearly 2 million copies worldwide.” http://www.rcamusicgrouppress.com/index.php?artist=Adam_Lambert

    The album has sold about 840,000 in the US. Nearly 2 million has to be 1.6 million or more. That means that Trespassing has sold about 50% of sales in the US. [I think RCA would not have used nearly unless it was more than 1.8 million but I was being conservative.)

    As far as I know, there is no worldwide number for Trespassing but the sales are a small part of Adam’s sales. But based on chart positions, it had substantial sales in other countries and charted similarly to FYE.

    We also know that his singles had substantial sales outside the US but have no numbers.

    **

    Also from RCA “He is first American Idol to ever tour the world in support of their debut album in the year following their IDOL season.”He is heading out on a tour of Asia and Europe. He just performed to large audiences in South Africa, China, Vietnam and Bali. I could go on. Adam is very popular outside of the US.

    From Billboard Biz: “Although Lambert saw little radio play in the U.S. for his latest offering, Trespassing (which debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard 200
    album chart), his success overseas has cemented his status as an
    international artist. Aside from appearances at massive events
    like the MNet Asian Music Awards and The Voice China, the latter of
    which was watched by some 500 million people, he played with Queen,
    hosted December’s VH1 Divas 2012 special and there are plans for
    Lambert to tour Japan, Southeast Asia and Europe in 2013.” Read more at http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/adam-lambert-19-recordings-amicably-part-1008087362.story#rHkTP7QHmmwVDOhI.99

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    Why are people insisting they ‘don’t know’ if Adam was dropped, when the article clearly says, “Contract expired in January?” I am confuzzled!

  • elliegrll

    Core’s money comes from producing American Idol.  Dropping Adam is not going to mess up their bottom line, especially considering how the current album failed in terms of actual sales numbers, not chart placement.

    Since Adam is quoted in the article, the timing of the release is also about protecting him.  He’s not the biggest name from AI, and at this point his reputation, or the public’s perception of him, has been a lot bigger and more important than the impact that he’s made with his sales or music.  His management doesn’t want people hearing that he’s been dropped, or that RCA didn’t pick up their next option, because they want to renegotiate a new deal with him.

  • jpfan2

    “But based on chart positions, it had substantial sales in other countries and charted similarly to FYE”

    If that’s true then the album would have been certified  in places like New Zeland where all it takes is to get gold is 7500 albums sold. I’m not arguing that Trespassing was a total flop but it’s not right to assume it sold anywhere near FYE.

    It’s not like its hard to find out if the album was certified gold in Australia, Canada, Finland, etc. Fans did that for FYE so why not for Trespassing.

    I still can’t figure out the whole 19R/RCA thing but I don’t understand why 19R and Adam would part ways if he was still signed with RCA. Isn’t 19R interested in $ anymore?

  • irockhard

    LOL whatevs.

    Small indie label? Wind-up is the world’s biggest indie label and one of the top rock labels in the US, it is highly respected in the rock world.

    The only act on Interscope’s roster at the time that works in James’ market was the metalcore band Black Tide who also performed at Rock on the Range last year. They were axed in the massive house cleaning Interscope did a few months ago that cost Haley her deal. Blink 182 who also recently split with Interscope did not have great things to say about their handling of the rock genre. James made many contacts in the rock and metal world while on Idol and evidently did his homework. Interscope was never going to be a good fit for him. I was always against him signing with them and after seeing what happened to Pia, Haley and Black Tide I’m so relieved he didn’t.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3
    Shoriagirl Shirley
    is not a journalist, more like a groupie (same goes for Lyndsey
    Parker).  Plus, Shirley did not say that Adam is still signed with RCA,
    just that he is on RCA roster, whatever that means.

    When an artist is dropped by the label, the expression used is “dropped from the roster”.Also from Shirley Hallerin:”Season seven’s David Cook and season nine’s Lee DeWyze were dropped from the RCA roster in May 2012 and October 2011, respectively.”Link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/idol-worship/kris-allen-american-idol-deal-dropped-371658When Cook, Lee, and Kris were dropped by RCA, there was no mention of 19 Recordings. When Alison Iraheta was dropped by Jive/Sony, there was a mention or 19 Recordings:
    “Allison Iraheta has parted ways with Jive Records, however she
    remains signed to 19 Recordings. Allison is currently on the road in the
    U.S. opening for Adam Lambert on the Glam Nation Tour,” a 19
    spokesperson told EW.Link: http://music-mix.ew.com/2010/09/08/allison-iraheta-jive-records/There was also no mention of 19 Recordings when Archie’s parting with Jive was announced.

  • Eileen99

    Q3, maybe you can ask your sources at RCA what’s going on with Adam’s contract.

  • mjsbigblog

    Reminder

    Please keep this thread on topic. Adam Lambert is the topic, not *insert your snowflake here

  • Karen C

    We knew David Cook also left 19 R because his last single was not under 19 R or RCA.   I don’t know if this was ever officially said. 

    Lyndsey Parker said on Twitter that Adam is definately still with RCA.

  • Kitwana

    “He [Archie] probably saw the writing on the wall. If he was such an asset/cash cow to he label, they [Jive]would have done anything to work around his schedule”

    The writing David A saw on the wall was the disappearing opportunity to serve a mission, something he talked about wanting to do as a teen. The age range is 19-25, with most serving at 19 or 20. If he signed a multi-CD deal at 20, he risked not being legally able to leave at 22/23. As for Jive accommodating his schedule, how could they possibly accommodate an artist who cannot have direct contact with the outside world or pursue any business ventures for two years. The guy can only Skype with his mom twice a year. If dear Shirley Halperin had bothered to interview David A prior to writing her stupid “dropped” story, she may have gotten some of this info and written a more fair and balanced story. And yes, if you can’t tell, I don’t like Shirley Halperin and have zero respect for her as a journalist. The great irony is that of all the former Idols who “left” their labels, Archie probably had the most legitimate and credible reason for doing so. Archie is the only one who explicitly said he had offers to continue working with Jive. Yet thanks to Shirley’s one sided story based on a disgruntled ex-manager, the media all accept without questioning that he was dropped. We must read all media stories critically. We must always question motives and biases.

  • jpfan2

    If Adam is still with RCA than a)his contract with 19R expired and he’s free of them or b) they didn’t use their option to keep him for whatever reason (I’m assuming there’s not enough $ in it for them).

    I could see RCA possibly putting out a third album (although with much less high profile producers, etc). Adam does have a core of 100,000 fans that would probably buy any album he puts out. So maybe that’s worth a try with album #3.
    I just don’t see any future in putting out a Pop album. He should either do straight dance music or go with music ready for HAC radio.

  • http://twitter.com/bagel08 John S

    Didn’t they release EP’s for everybody in the top 4? The UMG domain was probably for the EP.

  • kmd23

    Weren’t Adam and Perez Hilton friends at one time? I don’t really follow either closely so I was not sure.  I know they aren’t anymore based on Perez posting that Adam was “dropped” from his label today. Adam will be fine. Music artists switch or leave labels and management teams all the time. I remember posting that when Archie left his label and many disagreed with me at the time but it is the truth.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Yes Wind Up is small indie label compare to a monster label like UMG. And as I understand IF Interscope wished to sign you to their label after Idol then you don’t have the option to refused unless they don’t plan on signing you up. It just hard to believe Durbin would turn down a huge deal like that if he really was offered by Jimmy. About marketing him to the rock crowd, you never know, you know. Money for promotion/radios is the only solution for it and Interscope has ton of it IF they wish to market you. But yeah, whatever.

  • jan

    I don’t know. I don’t see that much widespread international interest in Adam’s music. Sure he has concerts and appearances scheduled internationally but why aren’t more singles being released internationally? After that huge build up in the UK with multiple trips and appearances – where are the singles releases?

    There is a concert in the Philippines in March that was first scheduled for the Mall of America, then Smart Araneta Coliseum (capacity 16,000), and now the Sky Dome (capacity 1,500). Why the downgrade?

  • seashellz51

    ” He should have been counting the days until his contract expired with the same enthusiasm kids count the days until Christmas.”

    Maybe that is why he was celebrating last night with $300 bottles of Cristal Champagne.  :)

  • milwlovesadam

    Energy Music Radio ?@energy150778

    @UKGlambert 2 of Adams tracks have been added to our number 1s play list and will be broadcast a minimum of 25 times per day.
    Energy Music Radio ?@energy150778
    @UKGlambert if support is received we will increase tracks and air play.

    http://www.energymusicradio.co.uk
     

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “There is a concert in the Philippines in March that was first scheduled for the Mall of America, then Smart Araneta Coliseum (capacity 16,000), and now the Sky Dome (capacity 1,500). Why the downgrade?”

    I think that the obvious reason is poor ticket sales.

  • irockhard

    UMG is not a label it’s a group of labels.

    I don’t care if Interscope is bigger than Wind-up it’s not a major player in the hard rock/metal market, Wind-up is.

    James didn’t win Idol, only the winner can’t refuse the offer to sign with Interscope.

    Hard rock/metal is driven by touring and merch not radio airplay.

  • jan

    Adam Lambert UK airplay in the last 30 days – 9 total plays.

    http://comparemyradio.com/artists/Adam_Lambert

  • Nadine_Bitch

    The switching was done even before the tickets went on sale. So, I think part of the reason was the venue and or the promoters. They switched promoters too before finally deciding on the Sky Dome.

    It became messy when they first switched to Araneta that apparently never confirmed due to schedule conflict. Kpop is doing so many concerts there.

    And Adam’s GNT was attended by 17k people in Mall of Asia and down grading to 1500 is really a jaw dropper on Adam’s side. I think it’s better to cancel the gig because it doesn’t look like the promoters were that ready. But knowing Adam he wouldn’t, he wouldn’t let his Phil Glamberts down.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “And Adam’s GNT was attended by 17k people in Mall of Asia and down grading to 1500 is really a jaw dropper on Adam’s side. I think it’s better to cancel the gig because it doesn’t look like the promoters were that ready. But knowing Adam he wouldn’t, he wouldn’t let his Phil Glamberts down.”

    Going from 17k to 1.5k seems very odd.

  • tripp_ncwy

    I guess the Core Media Group website is due for updating. I wonder if they will slip in a few more updates besides Adam.

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Yeah, promoters are messing this up. Some Filipino Glamberts said there’s no promo going on until now for Adam’s concert. I think I wouldn’t be surprise if I heard a news that his Philippines’ concert would be cancelled. I feel sorry for his fans over there though:(

  • waitingforthe1

    Shirley is not a journalist, more like a groupie (same goes for Lyndsey
    Parker).  Plus, Shirley did not say that Adam is still signed with RCA,
    just that he is on RCA roster, whatever that means.

    Shirley began her career with High Times magazine in 1999.  She’s not a “special contributor” on Examiner.com.  She’s worked for Entertainment Weekly, Us Weekly, she’s been a contributor on MTV, Vh1, E True Hollywood Story, etc. 

    Same with Lyndsey Parker.  Professional music journalist, who also happens to be a fan of Adam Lambert. 

    Ann Powers with the LA Times is another professional music journalist who happens to be a fan of Adam’s. 

    Seems that professionals know talent when they see it. 

  • iani

    Well, in the last year and a half I hear/know almost nothing from DC camp.
    except some crumbs here and there and some from DC-tweets sometimes confusing if you don’t keep the everyday step with his selective activities you should know, so, I will not be so surprised if he’s “married with children” by now, lol (j/k) and it has not allowed to be taken by the media and friends as worth-news.

  • Tess

    I think what sometimes gets lost in all the speculation about Adam and other past Idols as well is that all of these peeps have individual contracts with 19, their labels, management, etc.  As much as everyone wants to believe that initial contracts were carbon copies of each other the Idols involved did/do have choices and did/do make sure that any contracts are gone over with a fine toothed comb by their own entertainment attorneys.

    I am sure that compensation and time was negotiated on all the contracts.  I would gather that the longer the time the higher the compensation, especially with 19R…if an Idol elected to shorten the length of time of their contracts they probably took a hit in the shorts but were able to negotiate an earlier release date.

    Many look at 19, the label, and management as the saviors for the Idols and feel that if the Idol goes their separate way it is a reflection of their inability to perform.  I, personally, feel that separating from any part of the Idol machine whether it is 19, Jive, RCA, Interscope, XIX, or 19M is probably the very best thing that could happen to an Idol.  Having read a gazillion horror stories about the initial contracts between performers and their labels and the thousands of dollars and the extensive litigation it takes/took to get out of these horrible binding contracts I am glad that Idols are moving beyond the confines of AI.  I am sure that Kelly is salivating at her chance to get out from under Idol, and I am sure that Jordin will make other arrangements once her contracts have expired.

    Of course it is a nice meme for fans to think that their guy is still safely in the nest, but that nest may not be the safe haven we think it is.

  • waitingforthe1

     

    And it looks like 19 didn’t exercise any extra options that they had on
    Adam.

    The contract expired, which means all options expire with the termination date.  The word of 19R not being “stuck in the middle” tells me that DMG and RCA pushed them out so that Adam could work directly with RCA without interference from 19R. 

    This is speculation, but that probably has something to do with
    how his next contract with RCA will be structured.  19 is greedy, they
    aren’t going to let someone go if the person is on solid ground with
    their label.

    Sometimes they don’t have a choice.  We don’t know what the terms of the original contract were, for how long or what options (if any) were included when Adam signed it four years ago.  Adam had enough experience and enough contacts that it’s possible he negotiated a contract that didn’t include them optioning him without his approval. 

    That doesn’t mean that RCA will drop Adam, but the numbers for this era are not great.

    This is the argument I never fully understand.  Adam isn’t by any stretch the exception when it comes to sales, in fact he’s more the rule.  Sales are down across the board for 99% of artists.  Christina A’s latest album sold 73K copies opening week
    and she was on a weekly television show and is an established pop star.  

    Adam sold 173K copies of his second CD in the U.S. alone (we don’t know his international sales) and he did that with songs that most people agree were flops on radio.  That likely tells RCA that IF they can get songs by him to catch on with radio his sales will double if not triple.  It’s called POTENTIAL for future earnings.
     

    They see the potential is there they just have to find the right way to reach the buyer. 

  • mjsbigblog

    2nd Reminder:

    Please keep this thread on topic. Adam Lambert is the topic, not *insert your snowflake here.

  • waitingforthe1

     

    “There
    is a concert in the Philippines in March that was first scheduled for
    the Mall of America, then Smart Araneta Coliseum (capacity 16,000), and
    now the Sky Dome (capacity 1,500). Why the downgrade?”

    I think that the obvious reason is poor ticket sales.

    The tickets were never on sale so how could the sales have been poor? 

  • waitingforthe1

     

    Interesting comment from the poster MasterClass:

    “Earth to Glamberts. 19R was his record label. He is only LICENSED to
    RCA. When he was dropped by 19R he lost any relationship with RCA”

    unless of course RCA was aware that his contract with 19R was expiring, his management DMG, negotiated another contract which he signed to take effect upon expiration of the original licensing agreement with 19R. 

  • teri63

    Yup, one of the UK music blogs (don’t remember which one to reference, unfortunately, but maybe someone else will) just named Adam as one of the most underrated artists of 2012.  The UK is just one international market, though, and he’s faring much better in several others.  Is he at the level of Gaga?  Absolutely not.  But he’s carved out a nice career for himself doing what he loves to do.  He’s also gotten some cool opportunities lately, such as the “VH1 Divas” and “Pretty Little Liars” hosting and acting/performing stints, and the plethora of positive publicity he received for mastering both could well parlay into additional future opportunities.  Separating from 19R is a great thing, in my opinion, whether or not that includes a split from RCA.  Both Adam and his management have alluded to a third album, so regardless of the label, it seems Adam’s career is forging ahead.  Also, while he may not be the biggest international artist ever, he’s obviously gained a lot of notoriety around the world — just look at the global coverage he received for his less-than-stellar review of Les Mis.  A LOT of media outlets all over the world found Adam’s personal opinions newsworthy.  Pretty impressive, IMO.

  • jpfan2

    “That likely tells RCA that IF they can get songs by him to catch on with radio his sales will double if not triple. It’s called POTENTIAL for future earnings.”
      
     This “getting songs by him to catch on with radio” isn’t as easy as it sounds. The last single Trespassing didn’t get a single radio add. That’s kind of dire.  The money labels make from Idols goes backwards. The first album ALWAYS does the best and then diminishing returns set in. I’m sure RCA is well aware of that. 
     
    I think Adam has potential for modest returns for the label because of a devoted fan base. That’s about all RCA can count on.

  • newinNM

    I’m just going to go with what was printed, that “Adam Lambert and 19 Recordings have parted ways” and that “As for his third album, conversations with the label about the direction have already begun”  It’s that simple to me, he and “the label” are discussing the third album.  I agree with a couple of other posters that his future with RCA could go either way, based on the outcome of those conversations.  All we really know is that we don’t know much and talking about it is a good way to spend a Saturday afternoon.  Also as someone else posted, Adam and his friends were celebrating something with $300 champagne! 
     

  • Niall

    I don’t see this as terribly significant for Adam. It means less money for 19R because they no longer get a cut, but AI is now affiliated with Interscope so I can’t imagine RCA cares one way or the other.

  • lexa

    @adamlambert: Glamberts! I have so many ideas for my third studio album!!! So excited to start creating new recordings for you all! 2013 is gonna rock!!

  • Karen C

    Adam tweeted:

    @adamlambert Glamberts! I have so many ideas for my third studio album!!! So excited to start creating new recordings for you all! 2013 is gonna rock!!

    We have evolved together with For Your Entertainment and Trespassing…. #3 will be a brand new exploration! :)

  • Abner4President

    You’re ignoring the fact that 19 and RCA had a long-term agreement irrespective of which future contestants would be signed. An individual contestant’s contract that comes along after the fact has nothing to do with it. RCA wants to sign a contestant off of the show, 19R licenses their music to RCA, RCA pays 19R a licensing fee. 19R would have to bow out in order for RCA to get around this.

    I don’t see why on earth, if 19 thought Adam was such a cash cow, especially right after the show, they would have agreed when his initial contract was signed to give him and/or RCA the option after only a few years or album cycles to cut them out of profits that, if not for their allowing it, would legally be theirs per the agreement between RCA and the show for *all* contestants. It makes no sense.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     Adam seems pretty damn confident STUDIO album #3 is happening.  So I’m gonna assume he’s got a record deal (either still with RCA or another major label).

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     Contracts end.  Idols aren’t bound to 19E,R,M for all eternity.

  • mouse999

    I didn’t even know that tickets didn’t go on sale. Looks like a total mess created by the promoters. Does anyone know when (if) tickets go on sale????

  • waitingforthe1

     

    This “getting songs by him to catch on with radio” isn’t as easy as it
    sounds. The last single Trespassing didn’t get a single radio add.
    That’s kind of dire.  The money labels make from Idols goes backwards.
    The first album ALWAYS does the best and then diminishing returns set
    in. I’m sure RCA is well aware of that. 

    Did Trespassing even get an ADD date on radio?  I don’t remember because I don’t really follow that kind of stuff closely. 

    Diminishing returns:  with the exception of Kelly Clarkson of course you’re right that the first album has always done the best.  However, I get the impression that RCA doesn’t look at Adam as a “typical” Idol artist.  He’s not a typical artist in general.  They have him right now, he’s different, he’s a fantastic singer, he’s a media magnet and he knows the kind of music he wants to make.  All those things up his potential. 
     

    I think Adam has
    potential for modest returns for the label because of a devoted fan
    base. Obviously lightning can strike but RCA can’t count on that.

    This is true for ANY artist, idol or not.  Lightning can strike but labels don’t/can’t count on it.  All they can go on is market projections, buyer surveys/patterns which they have professionals analyzing every day. 

    Also, as has been stated many many times, the Adam isn’t limited to just the U.S. market.  He’s a popular artist in many other countries, which RCA also takes into consideration so while he may not find lightning here he could have an easier time finding it overseas.

  • bridgette12

    I guess you can take that tweet as a fact that he’s still signed to RCA and is going to make a third album with them. 

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    The Philippines concert switches have to do with the switch in promoters.  Three promoters have been involved in less than a week. The only venue that tickets have been on sale for is the latest small venue.

    **

    As expected… Adam is responding about album #3 on Twitter.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yeah, I didn’t know that. I need to stay out of these discussions when I don’t follow anyone closely enough to know what’s going on. lol

  • mouse999

    Speaking about Adam’s singles from Trespassing era, I always wonder if it was Bruno Mars singing NCOE would the radio play him every 15 minutes or would ignore him like they ignored Adam.
    But we’ll never find out, right???

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “As expected… Adam is responding about album #3 on Twitter.”

    Yeah, the timing of those reassuring tweets is perfect. ;)

  • bridgette12

    I kind of figured Adam would tweet something. He probably figured with people like Perez spreading his hate, that some people might be jumping to the wrong conclusions about the expiration of a contract with 19.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    It is really complicated and the Inquirer report contains statements from the old promoter that are not true so it is no wonder that you and others are confused.

  • Tess

    they would have agreed when his initial contract was signed to give him and/or RCA the option after only a few years or album cycles to cut them out of profits that, if not for their allowing it, would legally be theirs per the agreement between RCA and the show for *all* contestants.

    But what is forgotten is that Adam did not win and could have walked away with nothing if he so chose.  19 was not holding all the cards…they probably saw some potential and wanted to make what they could and negotiated with Adam at that time….why else would he have a termination date with 19R while Kelly is still contractually obligated 10 years down the road.  I have often wondered why Adam did his remixes and his eps….these were probably part of the numbers required for him to fulfill his end of the contract.  One of the reasons Idols have put out Christmas albums….something to shorten their initial obligations.  Contracts are not indentured servitude…they are rarely written without an obvious beginning and an obvious end.

  • everything

    I guess you can take that tweet as a fact that he’s still signed to RCA and is going to make a third album with them.

    His tweet doesn’t say anything about still being signed with RCA. 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Seems like a real clusterfu*k, and that Adam is going to miss out on what could have been a big payday as a result.

  • Karen C

    I guess you can take that tweet as a fact that he’s still signed to RCA and is going to make a third album with them.

    That’s how I’m taking it too. I can’t see him being an indie artist that would put the album out himself.  All the reports are saying he’s still with RCA.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Yeah, these days “studio album” doesn’t necessarily mean that a label is involved, although I do think that Adam is still with RCA. I guess that we’ll find out soon enough one way or the other.

  • bridgette12

    Maybe he didn’t think it was necessary to say he was still signed with RCA. Possibly could have thought that since everyone knew he was with RCA and RCA hasn’t announced he was no longer with them, that it would be a logical guess that he was still signed with RCA.

  • shell29

    Yep, perfect timing..lol. I don’t think there was ever any doubt he’d record another album, just whether it would be with RCA. Adam and his mgmt have spoken so we’ll see if RCA confirms.

  • Jaejae1

    Omg I hope he doesn’t do straight dance music. I think this dance craze is on the way out.  Or will be becoming less of a force on CHR.   I’m ok with HAC music that has some umph to it.  If things go big on HAC they cross over to top 40 all the time.  But he needs GOOD stuff.  I think he should try working with Bruno again, from the ground up, not just a demo.Or even Pink.  And maybe go for a more rhythmic sound.  Reach back a little. People love it when he does those old covers and I think that’s because those song rock.  And I think he should stay farrrr away from camp.  I hate that he has added those dancers back to his shows… They are so silly and swishy. He was so much better with just himself up there on stage.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    With Idols who have parted ways with their labels, have the labels ever “announced” that? I think that fans have found out when the Idol has been removed from the label’s website or other ways (interviews with the Idol, etc), but when has the label actually announced publicly that they have dropped an Idol? I can’t remember if this has happened. Did it happen with Archie? Who else?

  • bridgette12

    I don’t know what you mean announced publicly. Don’t all these labels simply release a statement that an artist has been released from his contract? I don’t think they call press conferences and make a big announcment.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    I have a feeling Adam got the OK from TPTB to tweet that. With douchebag Perez trolling for hits certain people in the media can run with his BS. I won’t be surprise if RCA puts out some statement/press release with regards to Adam. Somehow I still think if he’s with RCA there will be people who will think there is some conspiracy to make Adam look good. His UK publicist also said big things for Adam for 2013. 

  • Karen C

    At least the last couple of years that I have been really following Idols,  I don’t think the label announces splits.  It seems like it is usually done through the press or by the artist themselves.

  • Caro3278sweet

    Adam does get the comments around here, huh? lol

    Well, okay, I’ll bite and join the party.

    To me, Adam has never been totally suited to being a pop star. He’s a bit too old, and a bit too…glam/rock/alt….I would not be surprised at all if RCA drops him. If they are looking for a pop star who’s going to be played on the radio, I don’t think Adam is it for them.

    That said, I think Adam is an amazing talent and will do just fine whatever comes his way. I still believe I’m going to see him someday on Broadway and I think he’ll be huge there. He’s not really just a singer. I see him as highly charismatic, capable of acting, a great dancer – and oh, yeah. He sings. 

    Trying to wedge him into a pop star suit always kind of made me think he was being stifled.

  • washpd

    But what is forgotten is that Adam did not win and could have walked away with nothing if he so chose.  19 was not holding all the cards…they probably saw some potential and wanted to make what they could and negotiated with Adam at that time….why else would he have a termination date with 19R while Kelly is still contractually obligated 10 years down the road.

    Lol no, this is not how Idol works. All the semifinalists are tied into a contract w/ 19M and 19R such that if 19 wants them, for management or recording, they get first dibs. Adam said as much, in several interviews, when people asked if it wasn’t better for him to not win, since he’s not bound w/ 19. He always responded that that is a myth, and that he was still bound to them. I think it is correct that the management contract length for non-winners was not as long, which explains how he was able to get new management before Kris was free to do so, for example. But as for the original contract, all semifinalists agree to give 19 the first option. That’s what they give up to get the exposure of being on the show. 

  • bridgette12

    I don’t know if Adam got the ok from TPTB, he may have just decided that he knows more about what’s going on with his career than a lowlife like Perez or people on Idol blogs. I think all of us know, he’s not shy about tweeting.

  • Valarie

    Whether Adam is still signed to RCA or is self producing his next album, it would either be a live album or a studio album. I am not aware of a third option.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I’ve been following Idol since the beginning, and I don’t recall the label ever announcing that they have parted ways with an Idol (or any artist for that matter). When the news is revealed, it’s usually by the artist or the media (or fans dig up the info somehow).

  • Karen C

    Trying to wedge him into a pop star suit always kind of made me think he was being stifled.

    I think Adam has the potential to be an iconic pop star, one that is a real gamechanger. One that doesn’t really fit current pop but becomes a breakthrough artist.  I am not sure if this is going to happen to a major extent but think it is possible.  

    What is stifiling may be that he is not getting enough promotion to make this possible, and maybe it was 19 R that was causing these problems.

  • everything

    He doesn’t have to have a record deal to have ideas regarding an album.  We hear of Idols all the time who are working on their album that are not signed to a label.

  • Tess

    Totally agree that 19 got first dibs, but the contractee still has the right to negotiate his or her own contract.  Adam could have chosen to walk.  The Idol contestants are not signing boiler plate contracts….all things are negotiable.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    But I don’t think that the labels do release a statement, at least they aren’t the first to do so, but they may confirm when asked. I think that the news is usually released in the press via “sources” or by the artist themselves, or fans dig up the info somehow. A few times fans noticed that an Idol was no longer on the label’s website, and that’s how they found out they had split with the label. There wasn’t an “announcement”, and in general, I think that the label does this quietly.

  • hellomusicgirl

    With Idols who have parted ways with their labels, have the labels ever “announced” that? I think that fans have found out when the Idol has been removed from the label’s website or other ways (interviews with the Idol, etc), but when has the label actually announced publicly that they have dropped an Idol? I can’t remember if this has happened. Did it happen with Archie? Who else?

    No, there was no official announcement or press release from the label when Archie left Jive. The info came from Shirley directly asking a label rep and them replying that he was no longer on the roster and some snarky tweets from the manager he had just fired lol. David himself was the one who confirmed it in a video blog a few days later.

    I don’t recall seeing press releases from the label when an artist has left. Maybe I just haven’t paid enough attention to know but I don’t think it’s common. The info usually comes from the artist or from reporters asking.

    Whatever is really going down with Adam and 19 and/or RCA, I’m sure he’ll be fine. He has a viable career right now and this doesn’t change that. Even if he DOES part ways with RCA, that doesn’t mean he’s not still working with Sony internationally. 

  • Karen C

    He doesn’t have to have a record deal to have ideas regarding an album.

    Both the original article and Lyndey Parker on twitter have said that Adam is still with RCA, though.  

    Of course, until Adam or RCA says something more definite we really don’t know what is going on.

  • steph6449

    Interesting, hard to tell what this means or whether it is good or bad for Adam ultimately — assuming his preference is to continue with RCA (which seems to be the case from the article comment and his tweets).  

    The term “conversations” strikes me as fairly squishy as far as plans for a new album, but not to say every word has to be parsed with Heavy Meaning so again, could mean absolutely nothing and he has firm arrangements in place.

  • Tess

    My question is:  what does 19R bring to the table at this point in any past Idol’s career that makes them worth hanging on to.  I can’t see anything positive in that relationship for any of the Idols anymore now that the lustre is off the Idol franchise and they are no longer (if they ever were) star makers.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    The contract expired, which means all options expire with the
    termination date.  The word of 19R not being “stuck in the middle” tells
    me that DMG and RCA pushed them out so that Adam could work directly
    with RCA without interference from 19R.

    Does 19R actually do anything except take money?

    Looks to me like Adam is now done with 19 Entertainment and left on good terms. So seems like good news to me.

    Hopefully, now he is also free to do his own merchandise.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    ETA: Since Shirley Halperin is the one that has been breaking the news
    when the Idols have parted from their labels, I would think she would
    know if this has not happened.

    Agree.  And as I said before, it wouldn’t serve any purpose to not reveal a split in that article, if in fact one has occurred – better to get the news about 19R/RCA out in one shot, instead of giving the likes of Perez Hilton two opportunities to crow about Adam being “dropped.”  The only scenario in which it might be advantageous to keep it under wraps would be if Adam has already signed with another label, or is damn close to doing so, and the goal would be for the split with RCA to be concurrent with a press release from the new label that would be forthcoming in the very near future.  Otherwise, it’s running the risk that the news would come out without the opportunity for Adam/DMG to put their own spin on how it’s revealed – which they had with the Halperin piece.

  • waitingforthe1

     

    You’re
    ignoring the fact that 19 and RCA had a long-term agreement
    irrespective of which future contestants would be signed. An individual
    contestant’s contract that comes along after the fact has nothing to do
    with it. RCA wants to sign a contestant off of the show, 19R licenses
    their music to RCA, RCA pays 19R a licensing fee. 19R would have to bow
    out in order for RCA to get around this.

    All contracts have expiration dates.  No contract is forever.

    I don’t see why on earth, if 19 thought Adam was such a cash cow,
    especially right after the show, they would have agreed when his initial
    contract was signed to give him and/or RCA the option after only a few
    years or album cycles to cut them out of profits that, if not for their
    allowing it, would legally be theirs per the agreement between RCA and
    the show for *all* contestants. It makes no sense.

    When the contestants sign these contracts 19R has no way of knowing what their profit margin will be.  Based on the previous idol alum sales data there is every possibility that they had no expectation that Adam would do as well as he did globally.  So perhaps he signed the standard contract when he agreed to appear/compete on the show, which was for a 4 year term and when he didn’t win 19R just let that contract stand rather than adding clauses which gave them options after the original specified term. 

  • Karen C

    The only scenario in which it might be advantageous to keep it under wraps would be if Adam has already signed with another label, or is damn close to doing so, and the goal would be for the split with RCA to be concurrent with a press release from the new label that would be forthcoming in the very near future. Otherwise, it’s running the risk that the news would come out without the opportunity for Adam/DMG to put their own spin on how it’s revealed – which they had with the Halperin piece.

    Even with that scenario,  I would think that they wouldn’t bother announcing the split from 19R separately.   It would not have been good to have announcements about 2 splits, even if there was a new contract.

  • justmefornow

    Maybe the only thing they bring to the table at this point, as possibly the last link to Idol, is a performance slot on the current season of Idol.
    When one of the past Idols is releasing something and wants some easy promo there’s at least that.
    When there is no longer ties to 19, whether with 19M or 19R they lose that potential.

    I guess a performance slot during Season 12 just opened up.

  • waitingforthe1

     

    Lol no, this is not how Idol works. All the semifinalists are tied into a
    contract w/ 19M and 19R such that if 19 wants them, for management or
    recording, they get first dibs. Adam said as much, in several
    interviews, when people asked if it wasn’t better for him to not win,
    since he’s not bound w/ 19. He always responded that that is a myth, and
    that he was still bound to them.

    well that’s not exactly what he’s said LOL.  he never said he was “bound to them” he said that it didn’t matter if he won or not he got the same deal regardless.  He also said it’s a myth that RCA controls the idols which he proved by being EP on his last album. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    I think that tweet from Adam says it all, if he was still with RCA, he would have said it- I don’t think anyone believes he won’t make a third studio album.  I doubt he is still with RCA.

    I never felt RCA was on board fully with the last album, I got the feeling they did not want to go in that direction.  I felt one reason for giving him the Executive Producer title was also to make sure he would take the fall if it didn’t work.  He gambled and he lost- and who knows, what RCA wanted might not have been that much better.  I think he should give up the dance route and try more pop rock.

  • Pippygirl

    I think Adam has the potential to be an iconic pop star, one that is a
    real gamechanger. One that doesn’t really fit current pop but becomes a
    breakthrough artist.  I am not sure if this is going to happen to a
    major extent but think it is possible.  

    What is stifiling may be that he is not getting enough promotion to
    make this possible, and maybe it was 19 R that was causing these
    problems.

    I agree about the potential, and I think Adam was given that opportunity with his performance closing the AMA’s. He overreached and gave a poor vocal performance etc, etc. Yes he got buzz and it didn’t stop WWFM and IIHY from succeeding on radio but I think it was an incredible waste of an opportunity.  Someone (19 I guess) should have reined him in and didn’t.
    Doesn’t mean it can’t still happen but it’s going to be harder now imo.

  • waitingforthe1

     

    I think that tweet from Adam says it all, if he was still with RCA, he
    would have said it- I don’t think anyone believes he won’t make a third
    studio album.  I doubt he is still with RCA.

    Why would he need to say “my 3rd studio album with RCA”?  Doesn’t it seem to go without saying who would release his studio album? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    Well, he is already an iconic pop star in a way- nothing is going to erase he’s a platinum-selling artist and the first openly gay artist to debut at #1 on Billboard.  That in itself is enough to make him iconic.  I don’t see him as a gamechanger though.  I feel if he was that, it would have materialized already.  I think he is a great singer who is at the mercy of his songwriters, like most artists.  But Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, the Beatles, they had all developed into major songwriters by their mid-twenties- that helped them enormously.  I don’t think after 30, Adam is going to all of a sudden start writing brilliant songs.

  • mouse999

    I don’t recall any of the former idols performing on AI, unless they had something to promote. At this point Adam has no new album, no new songs. Why would he be given a performance slot???

  • parsenip

    If RCA and Adam were going to continue to work together why would 19R drop out of a deal that would make them money?

    and

    This is why I can’t understand why Daughtry, Kelly, Carrie, Fantasia, and Jordin wouldn’t have dropped 19 by now, if they had the out to do so.

    and

    I know a little bit about the music industry and I’ve no f… idea about the utility of 19R. It seems to be an intermediary company just useful to take some pennies from the artist.

    I think the above 3 quotes tell the story.  Every person coming out of Idol who is still under the Sony umbrella is still with 19R.  Looks like a twofer to me, not an option in either direction.

    Whatever the case, one thing I’ve noticed from looking back on contestants coming off Idol who signed with RCA and then were dumped is that it took at least a year for any of them to sign with another label, so I suspect there’s a non-compete in these contracts.

    Same with Lyndsey Parker. Professional music journalist, who also happens to be a fan of Adam Lambert.

    Lyndsey’s twitter background is a picture of Adam.  I can’t really take her too seriously as a professional anything let alone journalist with such an obvious bias. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    I think Fantasia has performed on Idol every year since she won.  They seem to like her- and Idol seems to like Adam, so I could see him performing this year.

  • wordnerdarchie

    I don’t recall any of the former idols performing on AI, unless they had something to promote.

    I can name one – David Cook – “Jumpin Jack Flash” during Rock Week.  He was asked only a few days before the show to do a Rolling Stone song. You can find it on youtube.

  • justmefornow

    But at the time didn’t David still have ties to 19R or 19M even with nothing to promote? 
    That’s my point.

  • barbls

     You covered it all! Thanks!!

  • wordnerdarchie

     Ah got it. *slaps forehead*

  • barbls

    I have been reading some comments here and there seems to be some confusion!

    Adam starting his 3rd Album with RCA. Here are some links that summarize the situation: http://cartermatt.com/46083/american-idol-notes-adam-lambert-scotty-mccreery-casey-abrams/, http://www.examiner.com/article/adam-lambert-excited-to-begin-work-on-third-studio-album

    So Excited for Adam Music that is going to Rock 2013!! The end with 19 is such great news. Now Adam can deal directly with RCA!!!

  • mouse999

    I guess, you’re right. I’m trying hard to recall any idol without ties to 19 getting performance slot on AI and I can’t.
    However, my memory is not THAT good.
    Was Taylor Hicks ever given guest performance?

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

     “Adam can move forward with his plans and 19
    isn’t stuck in the middle.”

    In order for 19 to be “stuck in the middle”, there has to be a label and and artist to be stuck in the middle of.  This statement wouldn’t have been made if there wasn’t a label deal in place.

  • Axxxel

    My heart yearn for pop-rock Adam but at least three  great thing came out of Adam’s “dance” album : a spot on VHI 1’s Diva’s and the Pretty Little Liars cameo… that are both more dance oriented and guest appearances abroad ! I am sure that Adam would not have been booked in Bali for New Year’s Eve if his album was more “pop-rock”… New Year’s Eve is for dancing !!

    Maybe Adam has to get that Trespassing “dance” album out of his system before he can move on to even greater things !

  • http://kristentheyellowlab.blogspot.com/ ZsusK

    I’m trying hard to recall any idol without ties to 19 getting performance slot on AI

    Elliott Yamin. 

  • curly_yenta

    Taylor’s been back a few times, actually.  He got quite a standing ovation from all 4 judges when he had a guest spot on Season 8.  He also made an appearance in the winner’s tribute to Simon Cowell on Season 9 and was involved with a Beatles melody in Season 6, I think, and of course he made an appearance the year after he won as the outgoing winner. Last year he announced his residency in Vegas with a spot with Ryan in the audience.

  • Karen C

    I’m trying hard to recall any idol without ties to 19 getting performance slot on AI and I can’t.

    David Cook was not with 19 anymore when he performed on Idol, not even 19 R.  However he was already with XIX, so he still had a connection to Simon Fuller.

    I’m pretty sure some of the earlier Idols such as Bo Bice and Ruben Studdard have also appeard on performance shows, and that they are no longer with 19 R.

  • justmefornow

    I’m not sure about Taylor Hicks. Maybe a Hicks fans would know. There were many seasons of Idol I didn’t watch.

    Edit: lol, I see it was already answered.

  • Karen C

    That’s why I really think that he’s still with RCA, because it’s getting out in the press that he is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    I’m sorry, it still doesn’t make sense to me.  How is it that the ones who are still with 19 Recordings – Carrie Underwood, Fantasia, Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry, and Jordin Sparks – just happen to be the ones who have not been dropped from their label?  How can that just be a coincidence?  As if they all had the option to renew or not? All who have been under contract a lot longer than Adam Lambert.  It doesn’t take Miss Marple to figure out something is up.

  • Axxxel

    Then again, “whataya want from me” became  for me an even stronger song after the AMA’s debacle… I felt it was like a protest against some of the audience’s  reaction towards that debacle.. (coincidence of course because the song has been written already a while ago)…

    Lost opportunity but sometimes people have to learn it the hard way…and we can all learn from this.

  • tripp_ncwy

    Those blogs are just restating most of stuff Shirley wrote for Hollywood Reporter as the source.

  • Axxxel

    I also do not really see Adam as a sole writer but why not as a co-writer ??!! (which he was even more on his sophemore album).

  • Karen C

    Whatever the case, one thing I’ve noticed from looking back on contestants coming off Idol who signed with RCA and then were dumped is that it took at least a year for any of them to sign with another label, so I suspect there’s a non-compete in these contracts.

    I have kind of wondered about that also, if this is a reason why those that are in this situation seem to have delays. 

  • Karen C

    I’m sorry, it still doesn’t make sense to me. How is it that the ones who are still with 19 Recordings – Carrie Underwood, Fantasia, Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry, and Jordin Sparks – just happen to be the ones who have not been dropped from their label? 

    It could be that Adam’s situation is different because his contract is up at a time where RCA isn’t necessarily involved with Idol anymore. Also, I believe 19R has had some changes in the past couple of years. 

    It could be as simple as RCA wanting to keep him on regardless of what 19 R decided to do.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Haley, Kris, Allison Iraheta and David Cook got dropped and they’re all still with 19Recordings.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    You are so right. No other way to read this article that makes any sense.

     
     

  • Tess

    Whatever the case, one thing I’ve noticed from looking back on contestants coming off Idol who signed with RCA and then were dumped is that it took at least a year for any of them to sign with another label, so I suspect there’s a non-compete in these contracts.

    Nope…you can’t fire somebody and then tell them they can’t sign with someone else. That is restraint of trade and doesn’t happen.  Now, if they leave on their own and they have a no compete clause in their contract then there may be a waiting period….but this is usually negotiable with a cash buyout.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beaugard.stevens Beaugard Stevens

    Thanks, those explanations do make sense, I admit, then, it does seem possible.  I didn’t realize those others who have lost their record labels are still with them.

  • everything

    I don’t think Haley and Kris are.

  • justmefornow

    And wasn’t it just mentioned that Cook isn’t with 19R any longer also?

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    Here is the list of artists listed on CORE Media Groups site:

    Adam Lambert

    Carrie Underwood

    Casey James

    Daughtry

    Fantasia Barrino

    Haley Reinhart

    Jessica Sanchez

    Jordin Sparks

    Kelly Clarkson

    Lauren Alaina

    Phillip Phillips

    Scotty McCreery

    They all have either old contracts or are within 4 years of Idol EXCEPT for Adam.
    I do not see anything that says that Alison, Kris, Cook or Archie are still with 19 Recording but I would think they would list Cook if he was instead of Haley Reinhart who does not have either a major label contract or a successful debut album. (her debut sold 20,000 units).

    Note: This is not a knock on Haley, I am a fan, just looking at the numbers.

  • Incipit

    I think Idol invites whoever they want to perform on the show, using their own criteria –  there really doesn’t seem to be a rule of thumb. Some people have been on every year since they won, or since their season, some are more sporadic, some are seldom seen, and not all of them have a connection to 19R or 19M.

  • ceecee21

    I don’t know why, but I have a gut feeling we will hear an announcement soon that Adam is with a label other than RCA.  Neither Shirley, Lindsey or Adam said he was still with RCA.  All that was said is that he will be fine and that he is making a third album.  My hunch is that Direct Management has negotiated a deal with another label, but of course, I have no concrete evidence it’s just a feeling I have.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pia-Tims/100001322582197 Pia Tims

    Clay Aiken was on during Season 3 and sang Fantasy with the top 4 as backup singers.  Clay was not there to promote his own albums. It was a strange thing and reportedly a command to appear by 19. It was the same night that Clay was to do a live hour long interview with Larry King on CNN but 19 forced Clay to cancel it and sing this song instead. 

  • jan

    I think there is a logical explanation for why 19R would drop Adam but he could still sign with RCA.

    Here are the details for the Idols contract for the 2010 year:  http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/12/american-idol-contract-sex-judges-simon-cowell/

    The contract terms aren’t in terms of years and expiration – but in terms of albums delivered. Notice that the winner and runner-up are paid an escalating amount up front for each succeeding album. That the winner would be guaranteed $325,000 up front for the 3rd album and if the runner up follows the same pattern would get a guaranteed $275,000 for the 3rd album.

    If 19R didn’t believe they could recoup and estimated $275,000, they would drop him. I believe that RCA would then be free to sign a new contract with the contestant – but they wouldn’t have to guarantee that much money up front. The terms of the new contract would be unknown.

    It’s not that easy for a contestant to break the terms of the contract – otherwise Kelly Clarkson could have wiggled out. 19R has kept her on the hook because she is worth the advance.

  • mjsbigblog

    Kris is no longer with 19R. He told me that himself.  I don’t think checking who is listed where on label websites is a reliable way to figure out who is signed where.  Who knows if the housekeeping on these sites is current.a

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    I think there is a logical explanation for why 19R would drop Adam but he could still sign with RCA.

    This is based on speculations with no facts that 19R dropped Adam.

    If 19R didn’t believe they could recoup and estimated $275,000, they would drop him.

    How many albums would Adam have to sell to recoup 275K?

  • Karen C

    I don’t know why, but I have a gut feeling we will hear an announcement soon that Adam is with a label other than RCA. Neither Shirley, Lindsey or Adam said he was still with RCA.

    Lindsey did say it on Twitter, and Shirley did in her article.  Anythings possible, though, but I don’t think they would have had the article about splitting from 19R if there was going to be a split with RCA and announcement of change of label.  That would just confuse things more.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    Didn’t most or all splits betwen labels and Idols get announcd from the label first and then from 19R (if at all.)
    Oh, BTW, Adam Official has already taken the 19 logo off the site! I wonder when they did that?

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

     They have removed 19 Recordings from Adam Official – but RCA is still there.

  • Karen C

    Didn’t most or all splits betwen labels and Idols get announcd from the label first and then from 19R (if at all.)

    With all the splits I’ve seen, it is usually not announced by the label or 19R. It usually either comes from the artist themselves, or the press. I have seen speculation also when someone was removed from the label’s site, but this was confirmed by the press.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    Neither Shirley, Lindsey or Adam said he was still with RCA.

    How does Lyndsey Parker tweeting “He is still with RCA. He’ll be fine. Not worried” or Shirley Halperin writing “…he is still on the roster at RCA Records” translate to none of them saying he was still with RCA?

    Maybe they’re lying.  Maybe they’re relying on some technicality in that the termination of the RCA relationship will not take place for a week or two.  I dunno.  But the story, as presented, is that he is still with RCA.

    If he finds a good home elsewhere, however, I will not be unhappy.

  • jan

    The label needs to recoup not just the advance to the artist – but also recording costs, videos, tour support, promotion and marketing.

    Here is a breakdown of how that might look for a new artist or for an established superstar.

    http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/stories/081211albumcost

  • wordnerdarchie

    How many albums would Adam have to sell to recoup 275K?

    My guess would be around 250,000 to make back that 275k, but the other expenses have to be recouped also, like videos & promotion & single releases, artwork, production, etc, etc, etc.  That isn’t cheap.  Based on things I’ve heard anywhere from 1-3 million in expenses.  It’s a very rare performer that earns enough to get out of recoupment.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    Selling 300K (Trespassings intern number) albums would make the label about 1.8 million gross. Then there are track sales, ringtones, use of music for other things, such as TV shows, etc.

  • wordnerdarchie

    And 19 and RCA are still listed on David Cook Official, but we know he isn’t with either.  I wouldn’t take RCA being there as a sign.  Could be, or might not be.

  • Karen C

    I think it might be a sign, because they did remove the 19R from Adam’s page.  It shows there was a change, if they knew to take off 19R, why would they do it now if he wasn’t going to be with RCA.   Other than updates, they haven’t changed anything on DCO.

  • Kitwana

    “Anything’s possible, though, but I don’t think they would have had the article about splitting from 19R if there was going to be a split with RCA and announcement of change of label. That would just confuse things more.”

    By “they”, do you mean Adam and his management? Are you saying that they are behind the Shirley Halperin article and that the article was not a fair and balanced piece of independent news reporting? If so, I can easily see how this article can be used to spin a departure from RCA in the most positive light possible. The key line in the article is “As for his third album, conversations with the label about direction have already begun, says DMG.” This line nicely opens the door to Adam and his team spinning a departure from RCA as being based on “creative differences” about the direction of his 3rd album and take away the argument he was dropped. Face it, the public will only believe that an artist has voluntarily left a major label if there was a compelling reason to do so. Like a 2 year LDS mission. Or a better contract with another major label. Or absent the other two, “creative differences”. Adam will not be going on a two year LDS mission. It’s not clear if he will sign with another major label. However, thanks to Shirley’s article, he now has the “creative differences” argument. Good job Shirley, Adam, DMG and the rest of Adam’s team. Well played.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    Adam is signed with Sony, and unless Idol have some special deal, Sony pays royalties based on the wholesale price, not retail price.

    He almost certainly gets more for domestic sales vs. international sales.

    There is probably a 10% breakage clause, a provision for free goods, a provision for discounted sales, etc.

    Major label accounting is so complicated, and record contracts have lots of variations, that there is no way to figure out how many copies of Trespassing needed to be sold for Adam to recoup his advance.

    As far as I know, we do not even know what Adam received for his advance  — the Idol contract has a range for album #2 advances. According to the NY Times who got the 2009 Idol contract from the California court filing, the second album gets the runner-up between $225,000 and $450,000. That is too be a spread to even speculate about.

  • barbls

    It is not only what Shirley states, but Billboard, Hollywood Reporter, Matt Carter. Adam’s label is RCA. 19 has been bought by CORE Media Group. Adam split with 19 Management in Aug. 2011 and went with DMG Management.  the contract with 19 just expired. What is hard to understand. Adam can now deal directly with his label RCA without the AI arm 19 being the middleman and taking a cut of Adam’s career. 19 has had financial problems and cut their staff and parted with many artists over the past year. Part of their job was to get TSP airplay and they failed miserably! Best career move he could have made and we get a new album in 2013 from it. Adam sounds excited for the new album and so am I! Cheers to 2013!!

  • Karen C

    By “they”, do you mean Adam and his management? Are you saying that they are behind the Shirley Halperin article and that the article was not a fair and balanced piece of independent news reporting?

    I didn’t say that.  No matter what the information about splitting with 19R would have had to been provided by Adam’s management even if it was heard about independantly.  I would think that the question of being with RCA would come up, and was answered in the article. 

    If so, I can easily see how this article can be used to spin a departure from RCA in the most positive light possible.

    That thought did cross my mind, but I don’t see any advantange to this for Adam or his career.   They could still use the creative differences spin even without this article, and the 19R split would have been part of an article about the split from RCA.   I can’t see where there would be any advantage for Adam  to first announe a split with 19R and then announce a split with RCA because it could be percieved as Adam getting dropped two different times. 

  • kmd23

    Time will tell if Adam stays with RCA or not. Isn’t it as simple as that?

  • wordnerdarchie

     So you’re saying that Adam’s performer’s share is probably less than what I was calculating?  That puts a different light on things.  He’s in even deeper doo doo than I thought. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/ab2859 ab2859

    Whatever label it’s on, I hope Adam’s next CD has more rock on it.  I’m also hoping 2013 is the year rock makes a long overdue comeback.  Jack White started it this year.  And the legend himself – David Bowie – is coming back in March.  So maybe, finally, the best male rock voice to come along in years – Adam Lambert – can help usher in a new era of rock.  Fingers crossed :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    They have removed 19 Recordings from Adam Official – but RCA is still there.

    It also has a new copyright date..says “@2013 Sony Music Entertainment all rights reserved”

  • jan

     

    It is not only what Shirley states, but Billboard, Hollywood Reporter, Matt Carter. Adam’s label is RCA.

    Shirley Halperin is The Hollywood Reporter. Billboard says that it gets it’s information from The Hollywood Reporter. Matt Carter is just an Examiner reporter who gets his information from The Hollywood Reporter. It’s one source. We don’t know yet if Lindsey Parker got her information from Shirley or has spoken to Adam since the news broke.

  • jan

    At the bottom of David Cook Official it still says 19 RCA – and © 2013 Sony Music Entertainment All rights reserved.  And we know that David isn’t still with 19 or RCA.

    Edited to add: It also says those same things at the bottom of Kris Allen Official.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    RCA just renewed Adam Official in December.  FWIW.

    Also, I believe Shoshanna Stone and her PR firm Outside Edge are hired through RCA, and Shoshanna is clearly still working for, and tweeting about, Adam.  Seems to me there are far more indications that Adam is still with RCA than that he isn’t.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I also think that Simon Fuller can still pretty much get a performance slot for anyone he wants (eg. 
    Lisa Marie Presley).

  • fuzzywuzzy

    It seems to me that since these websites may be updated very irregularly that if something is removed, then that is probably significant (eg. Scotty’s pic disappearing from the XIX site), but if something is still on the website (label, pic on artists roster of label), that it doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

  • barbls

    Trespassing is not lackluster but exciting and creative and got fantastic reviews worldwide. Adam’s singles were great and should have made the top ten. That is if they had ever gotten any airplay. Thank God no more 19. What is lackluster is radio not playing his singles and award shows not recognizing what the critics have over and over. This is the U.S. and most albums in 2012 that are selling and rewarded got mediocre reviews. The State Of Mind In the U.S. is mediocrity sells as long as it is being put out by favs of radio programmers. It does not matter how bad the song is. Radio plays them from the start and on the hour as if they are already hits. Everyone wants to be part of the music in crowd so they jump aboard and it keeps perpetuating the mediocrity.

  • iluvai

    Adam, seriously, you have to stop causing controversy!  

  • Karen C

    Right, and I think there being a recent change with Adam’s site, and RCA still being there is much more significant than if there hadn’t been a change, like the others.

  • jan

    RCA just renewed Adam Official in December.

    Actually there is no proof that it is RCA that renewed Adam Official. I remember checking WHOIS when AdamOfficial disappeared in December because I thought it strange that a major company like Sony/RCA would let a contract lapse. When the site came back online, it was listed as registered to Domains By Proxy LLC. (Google it – Domains By Proxy is used to keep the name of the real site owner anonymous.)

    WHOIS for adamofficial: http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/adamofficial.com

    Sony Music is listed as the registrar on some of its other artists sites (like Alicia Keys or Kesha). Kelly Clarkson has Starstruck Management (her management company) listed as registrar.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    The contract terms aren’t in terms of years and expiration – but in terms of albums delivered. Notice that the winner and runner-up are paid an escalating amount up front for each succeeding album. That the winner would be guaranteed $325,000 up front for the 3rd album and if the runner up follows the same pattern would get a guaranteed $275,000 for the 3rd album.

    If 19R didn’t believe they could recoup and estimated $275,000, they would drop him. I believe that RCA would then be free to sign a new contract with the contestant – but they wouldn’t have to guarantee that much money up front. The terms of the new contract would be unknown.

    ^^^That. That right there is how the contracts are known to work.

    This also indicates that Lambert’s people are speaking the exact truth: he is no longer with 19R, and his management is negotiating with RCA over whether they can reach an agreement on realistic terms for a third album. Removing 19R from the picture might make it possible, but of course the outcome depends on what Lambert wants and what RCA wants from the deal.

    Heck, if they can pull it off, more power to ‘em. If they can’t, they’ll cite “creative differences” and move on to Plan B.

  • bridgette12

    It’s never a dull day in the Adam fandom.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Makes sense – thanks to you and jan.

  • iluvai

    Never, ever.  :)

  • Karen C

    This also indicates that Lambert’s people are speaking the exact truth: he is no longer with 19R, and his management is negotiating with RCA over whether they can reach an agreement on realistic terms for a third album

    This is possible, but I also think that maybe the deal with RCA has already been finalized. 

  • bridgette12

    I guess it goes to show you, that nothing is ever simple when it comes to Adam. The boy attracts drama, like bees to honey.

  • lexa

    Fans(me) = he is signed

    Non Fans = he is dropped

    All of us = know nothing

    300 plus comments and one day later and no one has much changed their opinion.

    Whoever said get the popcorn ready, I agree. Too funny! Regardless, he does draw strong (and tons) of opinions!

  • jlurksacto

    Hits!  Paying the bills.

  • HKfan

    Why are people insisting they ‘don’t know’ if Adam was dropped, when the article clearly says, “Contract expired in January?” I am confuzzled!

    Because contract expiring, and parting amicably isn’t nearly as exciting as being dropped!!!!

  • cheese1

    I would be all for Adam doing something besides 80s-sounding dance-pop, but where exactly do people think “rock” has gone?  Do they mean “classic rock”?  Rock is alive and well- it’s just mostly classified as “alternative” and alternative rock bands are all over the radio and TV ads.  

    Adam has shown no leanings towards rock or any of its many sub-genres based on what I’ve heard from him (i.e., two pop albums). Rock tends to come from a more authentic place and not from artists hoping to stumble into the right genre.  I don’t think singing with Queen or wearing spiky leather jackets makes him a rock artist.

  • HKfan

    If the contract  was for 3 albums, Adam has fulfilled that, FYE, GNT Live and Trespassing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jenny.williams.391 Jenny Williams

    Don’t you just wish the attention he draws would translate to record sales.!

  • roarpen

    It sounds to me like his relationship with 19R is over, which is likely a good thing as it doesn’t seem to add much to the mix. So, if 19R is no longer licensing his music to RCA, Adam has the opportunity to negotiate directly with RCA. Not knowing anything about how far they are into negotiations it is hard to guess how likely he is to “part ways” with RCA. I will give it a 50/50. It all comes down to money. Maybe Adam has been touring heavily overseas so that he can sock away that money from touring before he ends up on a 360 deal. Showing that he can pack a show would give him more leverage to negotiate a record contract with a 360 deal. The 360s are not great for the artists because it really cuts into where they traditionally make the most money. But if it gets your music out there with support it might be a necessary evil.
    The music industry is changing so rapidly. People are publishing their own music and then hiring labels to service their music to radio. A new day is coming – or for some artists is here. We won’t be able to measure music business success just by major label contracts much longer.
    I doubt Adam was able to recoup the labels cost for making Trespassing; he took forever making it with A list songwriters and producers, and kept pushing the date back as he added more (expensive songwriters etc.) I’m sure it was a dang expensive album to make and did not produce the revenue to cover all of its costs. So, Adam showing his strength in Asia through touring gives him more leverage in his negotiations, assuming he is looking at a 360.
    Requiring a major label is the past, but the future is here and is looking like this:
      http://www.billboard.com/column/the-juice/macklemore-ryan-lewis-crash-radio-with-thrift-1008075282.story#/column/the-juice/macklemore-ryan-lewis-
    crash-radio-with-thrift-1008075282.story

  • irockhard

    No they’re not.

  • irockhard

    If Adam wants to record covers of standards for his cult like following or front Queen for a few years cool.

    If however he wants to try to break into the rock market with original material, well that’s a disaster waiting to happen.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    Adam is not signing a 360 deal with RCA or any other label. He has agreements with DMG for Management and Marketing, CAA for talent management, Kobalt Music for publishing. He has his own business management firm, his own creative team, and now apparently finally controls his own merchandise. Plus, he is working with AEG on many of his upcoming concert promotions.

    And as far as I can tell, he has a recording contract with RCA.

    The only thing Adam no longer has is a contract to share his money with 19R.

  • bscfan

    Q3, why do you think Adam would not sign a 360 deal with RCA?  Just a month ago he was talking to a DJ about how hard it could be to obtain financing for a tour.  If part of a 360 deal could be that RCA would help with the financing, a 360 deal might not look unattractive.
                

  • bscfan

    I very much doubt Adam would try to produce straight out rock. I think he means a rock-influenced pop rather than a dance-influenced pop. But who knows? Maybe a pop-influenced rock ha ha.  There are alternative so-called rock bands these days that sound kind of pop to me.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    namelessþ@namelessaddict@shoshannastone
    which label will the 3rd album b under? logical conclusion is RCA but speculation is rampant & it’d b good to end it

    shoshannastoneþ@shoshannastone@namelessaddict
    RCA

  • bscfan

    I tend to think that the split with 19R makes it more likely that Adam is staying with RCA not less, because I am pretty sure RCA would want to renegotiate the contract, and there’s no way a contract satisfactory to both parties could be reached with 19R still in the picture. In fact, the timing of this split is pretty damn convenient. Although it’s possible that the 19R contract expired as some here have  made good arguments for, I wonder if RCA and Adam simply went to 19R said please bow out or Adam won’t have any record contract. And then 19R did the decent thing.  Or is that too gentlemanly for any 19 organization?

  • KatMyers

    The key to figuring out who owns the domain is to check the server names.  For example, the naming convention for UMG servers is NS#.UMusic.com.  This is what was shown on Scotty and Lauren’s registration, Haley’s (now expired), Pia’s (renewed to Jan/14 interestingly) and James’ (renewed to Jan/14 – wonder what that’s about?).

    Adam’s is listed as:

    NS1.AFTERNIC.COM & NS2.AFTERNIC.COM

    When you check out the domains and their registered server names for Daughtry, Fantasia, JHud, Jordin Sparks and Kelly the server name is different:

    UDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET

    It appears that Lambert is on a server that is different from other RCA signed Idols …

  • irockhard

    A sound similar Foster the People would be perfect for him.

  • irockhard

    Pia’s (renewed to Jan/14 interestingly) and James’ (renewed to Jan/14 – wonder what that’s about?).

    Pia is apparently signed to the label of producers – Underdogs, I dunno if there’s a UMG connection there.

    With James I have no idea what the hell that’s about! As far as I’m aware Wind-up doesn’t have any distro agreements with UMG, only Sony, EMI & Warner. So I dunno what to make of this.

    Interesting that Adam’s domain is on a different surver to the other Sony Idols.

  • EmyR

    shoshannastone
    8am and I am already talking about the creation of album no. 3 and album no. 8. :))))

    namelessaddict
    @shoshannastone which label will the 3rd album b under? logical conclusion is RCA but speculation is rampant & it’d b good to end it ;)

    shoshannastone
    @namelessaddict RCA

  • Incipit

    Requiring a major label is the past, but the future is here and is looking like this:http://www.billboard.com/colum

    Great link, roarpen. That’s really the only thing that interests me about this whole discussion…what the future of the music industry is starting to look like, how it’s beginning to overturn conventional thinking, and how the record labels may have to scramble to keep up.

    I don’t think trying to enforce 360 deals as a condition of signing is going to do it for the Labels for long…they have to bring more to the table – there are too many independent services who can offer what they have and leave the artist with considerably more autonomy (and money). With innovative thinkers, their propensity for ‘safe choices’ and foot dragging is not a positive, so if they can’t even get radio play, what good are they and their bank rolls? 

    That’s the story I find compelling. Nothing happens overnight, as it were, but the winds of change have some people’s attention far beyond who is signed by what Label…and deserve the best popcorn. Heh.

    JMO.

  • Karen C

    Interesting that Adam’s domain is on a different surver to the other Sony Idols.

    That might be because it kept crashing.  I remember them saying something about moving it a few years back. 

  • mmb

    Adams PR rep just flat out stated ( in response to a questiin on twitter) that his 3rd album would be on RCA. Shirley, Lyndsey and Keith Caulfield from billboard ( all of whom have their ear to the ground and would have some real sense of what’s up) all claim that he is still with RCA. So while it may not be the same path as others have taken, at least right now it does appear that Adam is remaining with RCA, all ties to 19 have been cut, and that he will be working on a new album. No doubt his new arrangement is less lucrative- at least up front- to him than his initial post idol deal. Such is life.

  • mmb

    There are quite a few RCA artists whose websites are registered to domains by proxy. Most of the websites are not registered to Sony ( eg Kelly and Daughtry’s aren’t, iirc Britney’s isn’t, Jordan’s isn’t) altho a handful are. I could be wrong but I don’t think that 19 logo has been on Adams website for a while ( eg i dont think it was a recent change) maybe since the redesign for trespassing era. It isn’t on all of the idol artists websites either – not on Kelly’s. or fantasias. Not sure about Daughtry. Again i could be wrong about adams and maybe it was there but i seem to recall noting ar sine point a while ago that it wasnt). Regardiess i don’t think thee is anything meaningful about these website issues

  • Karen C

    Just a month ago he was talking to a DJ about how hard it could be to obtain financing for a tour. If part of a 360 deal could be that RCA would help with the financing, a 360 deal might not look unattractive

    That could very well be what is happening, especially in light of the fact he isn’t doing a full tour for Tresspassing,  and is going to be working on the new album.  That the 360 deal will make it possible to  tour for the new album.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2K6LL4WPUTAY6TKG2VG3SYFA5M Erlinda

    Good for Adam. He can move forward to the next step in his evolution as an artist.

  • MellyPer1692

    The key to figuring out who owns the domain is to check the server names. For example, the naming convention for UMG servers is NS#.UMusic.com. This is what was shown on Scotty and Lauren’s registration, Haley’s (now expired), Pia’s (renewed to Jan/14 interestingly) and James’ (renewed to Jan/14 – wonder what that’s about?).

    Adam’s is listed as:

    NS1.AFTERNIC.COM & NS2.AFTERNIC.COM

    When you check out the domains and their registered server names for Daughtry, Fantasia, JHud, Jordin Sparks and Kelly the server name is different:

    UDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET

    It appears that Lambert is on a server that is different from other RCA signed Idols …

    Um, no it’s not. Here’s Adamofficials information:
    Domain Name: ADAMOFFICIAL.COM
    Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC
    Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
    Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
    Name Server: UDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET
    Name Server: UDNS2.ULTRADNS.NET
    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
    Status: clientRenewProhibited
    Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Status: clientUpdateProhibited
    Updated Date: 11-dec-2012
    Creation Date: 09-dec-2005
    Expiration Date: 09-dec-2016 Domain Name: ADAMOFFICIAL.COM
    Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC
    Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
    Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
    Name Server: UDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET
    Name Server: UDNS2.ULTRADNS.NET
    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
    Status: clientRenewProhibited
    Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Status: clientUpdateProhibited
    Updated Date: 11-dec-2012
    Creation Date: 09-dec-2005
    Expiration Date: 09-dec-2016

    I think you were looking at AdamLambertOfficial which shows that server info, but that’s not Adams website.

  • sagi

    Maybe I am just being too rational, but from what I read, the article clearly states he parted ways with 19R but is still with RCA. I think it would be a good move for any artist from AI to make if possible. It is also better for RCA to have him w/o another company getting such a big cut of the pie. Until I see something official, I will ignore all rumors and speculation! :)

  • irockhard

    For artists that are not radio friendly, that can’t do it all (not just songwriting but production too) and don’t have enough contacts at radio, with music distro, etc. 360 deals are their only option I’m afraid.

  • irockhard

    Since he’s been lucking out at radio recently a major label, whether RCA or another major, is unlikely to offer him anything but a 360 deal.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “namelessþ@namelessaddict@shoshannastone 
    which label will the 3rd album b under? logical conclusion is RCA but speculation is rampant & it’d b good to end it

    shoshannastoneþ@shoshannastone@namelessaddict 
    RCA

    Thanks. That’s a very definitive response.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Although it’s possible that the 19R contract expired as some here have  made good arguments for, I wonder if RCA and Adam simply went to 19R said please bow out or Adam won’t have any record contract. And then 19R did the decent thing.  Oops–pardon me, I must have been dreaming.”

    Somehow, I don’t think that a request for 19R to bow out, no matter how polite, would be enough. I believe that Adam’s contract with 19R was up for renewal (he wasn’t “dropped”), and perhaps, he had to pay them to get them to “bow out”.

  • durbesque

    Just discovered another glam artist….Fabulous! 
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf6PoSBryH4

  • Valarie

    If Adam has signed a new deal with RCA, there will be a press release. Then, all speculation will end. Until then, I will tend to believe that negotiations are ongoing.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    So now the dogged insistence has moved from “Adam will be/is being/has been dropped” to “Adam had to have signed a 360 deal for RCA to have kept him”? 

    Nobody knows what contractual arrangements Adam made with RCA.  Nobody knows what contractual arrangements Adam could have made with another label (and IMO it’s a no-brainer that DMG talked to other labels on Adam’s behalf if a 360 deal was the only alternative being offered by RCA).   Maybe he signed one, maybe he didn’t, but repeating that a 360 deal would be the “only option” for Adam does not make it any more likely to be true.  Just like repeating “Adam will be dropped” at every opportunity apparently didn’t make it true.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I don’t think trying to enforce 360 deals as a condition of signing is going to do it for the Labels for long…they have to bring more to the table – there are too many independent services who can offer what they have and leave the artist with considerably more autonomy (and money). With innovative thinkers, the Label’s propensity for ‘safe choices’ and foot dragging is not a positive, so if they can’t even get radio play, what good are they and their bank rolls? ”

    Really good point. It seems like a 360 deal is overly favorable to the label, and if they aren’t even effective at getting radioplay for singles (or choosing good singles), then why should they financially benefit from all of the other money-making aspects of an artist? Maybe, there’s a “sliding scale” of deals (180? 120? lol ), where the label gets access to (for example) touring income, but not endorsements, merchandise, etc.?

  • Karen C

    It’s also possible that the RCA deal didn’t end, but the 19R one did. So there could be no change in the RCA contract.  Unless they are tied together somehow.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “Why are people insisting they ‘don’t know’ if Adam was dropped, when the article clearly says, “Contract expired in January?” I am confuzzled!

    Because contract expiring, and parting amicably isn’t nearly as exciting as being dropped!!!!”

    I think that it’s often a matter of semantics and POV as to whether an artist has been “dropped”. IMO, a clear case of being “dropped” is when an artist signs a recording contract with options for “x” number of albums, and the artist splits with the label after the first album has been produced. The situation where a contract has been fulfilled, but the label and artist part ways, isn’t as clear cut (and isn’t the same as being “dropped” IMO), although the label may have offered such an unattractive renewal contract that, in effect, the artist had no other choice but to go elsewhere. At any rate, it appears that Adam will be recording his 3rd album with RCA, and no one knows what the nature of his current contract is with them, except that 19R is no longer involved.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    I’m not sure that will happen, but in this case it might because the 19R split is causing confusion about whether Adam is still signed with RCA. I wasn’t aware that Kelly or Carrie had renegotiated their contracts, and there were no press releases about that, nor should there be unless there is some novel aspect to those contracts (like the 360 deal that Madonna signed with Live Nation).

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    It’s also possible that the RCA deal didn’t end, but the 19R one did. So
    there could be no change in the RCA contract.  Unless they are tied
    together somehow.

    I haven’t read the contracts that have appeared online, but from what I gather, it seems they are tied together – which would make sense, with 19R inserting itself into the mix.  So probably renegotiations with RCA were necessary.

    I don’t doubt the new revised arrangement with RCA gives Adam less money up front.  I’m sure he and his management would expect that – and given that the original Idol contracts offer a lot more money up front to the artists than the industry norm, there’s no shame in that.  But I’d also expect that neither Adam nor DMG would be eager for Adam to sign a 360 deal if there were any way to avoid it, especially as DMG works to get Adam opportunities in other areas of the industry.  It’s easy to say that since radio play and sales were issues with the “Trespassing” era, the only way RCA would keep him would be a 360 deal (just as it was easy to say RCA was going to drop him), but I would assume the decision-making process isn’t quite that simple and straightforward.  Adam produced a strong, critically-acclaimed album, and it’s possible other labels heard it and decided they could have managed it better than RCA did.  Adam may not have been as unattractive to other labels as some believe.  Maybe, just maybe, RCA did not hold all the cards in this scenario.  I don’t know – nor does anybody else – but in any event, I hope Adam wound up with an arrangement he is comfortable with.

  • cherch

    “There is a concert in the Philippines in March that was first scheduled for the Mall of Asia, then Smart Araneta Coliseum (capacity 16,000), and now the Sky Dome (capacity 1,500). Why the downgrade?”

    The date for Adam’s concert in Manila is March 1st. The original venue, Mall of Asia, has a hugely popular KPOP group performing there March 2nd. Their elaborate staging needs a full day before to construct and is guaranteed in their contract, hence the rush to change the venue of Adam’s concert to the Araneta Coliseum.  Unfortunately another promoter controlled the March 1st date there and the first promoter did not want to hand over the control ( read money here) of Adam’s concert to them. So the next available venue on that date is the Skydome which is much smaller and now a third promoter is running that show. Tickets were never on sale for Mall of Asia, so it wasn’t a case of poor ticket sales.  Blame it on  competitive promoters and fabulous KPOP stages and costuming.  As for the RCA issue, thank goodness Shosanna cleared that up. Adam’s third album will be under the RCA label.

  • Tess

    As long as when I type “Adam Lambert + news” onto my search engine and Adam Lambert the singer pops up I’m a happy camper.  Still means he is of interest to someone.  Do I care who he is signed with or under what contract, nope.  Do I care if he has to sign a 360 contract to continue recording, nope. Do I care that he isn’t among the elite top 50, nope.  I enjoy the man and his music and enjoy hearing about his escapades now and again.  Somehow I don’t think that is going to stop, cold turkey, very soon.  Actually, I’m amazed he’s still around based on the predictions of his 15 minutes of fame and the doomsdayers filling every comment board with the expectations of his immediate demise.  For me, the man is fun, interesting, great for a sound bite, lovely to look at and the epitome of the old saying “all the cute ones are gay”.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    <If Adam has signed a new deal with RCA, there will be a press release.
    Then, all speculation will end. Until then, I will tend to believe that
    negotiations are ongoing.

    No, there probably won’t be a press release, if Adam is remaining at RCA.  That’s not news, and won’t be until Adam is actually ready to release new music.  Just as there wouldn’t be a press release if RCA dropped Adam.  The only scenario in which a press release is likely would be if Adam moved to another label.

  • jpfan2

    I’m accepting the article as fact. RCA and Adam are discussing album #3 and he’s still with them.  The only thing I’m sure of is that album #3 will have alot less $ spent on it – no Dr. Luke for example. Ditto for splashy videos.
    The Idols who sold millions in 2012 don’t get always get commented on the most. It’s kind of ironic. ;0

  • Tess

    Buying music and taking an interest in someone don’t seem to always walk hand in hand.  There are many Idols who have sold well and continue to do so but I find them pretty boring and milk toast and they don’t stir up the old juices of interest.  Adam, for me, is just one of those people who I find engaging.  Sure I like his music and buy it but it isn’t what attracts me.  Personality is a key factor in those who I find interesting enough to comment on, if they can’t get me by who they are they just aren’t going to get me by what they sing.

  • girlygirltoo

    Isn’t Shoshanna Adam’s UK publicist? She isn’t his management, so she wouldn’t necessarily be aware of negotiations that are ongoing. Adam was tweeting about his 3rd album yesterday, but he never once mentioned RCA in the tweets (or if he did, I missed it). I would bet that if the contract is not finalized, he has probably been advised not to say anything too concrete.

    Not saying Shoshanna she is wrong. IMO it is likely that the 3rd album will be for RCA. I’m just saying that, as his publicist, she would not have any involvement in the negotiations, so she really isn’t the final word — that would come from either the label or his management.

  • girlygirltoo

    As for speculation about a 360 deal, that is probably because labels push for 360 deals with most of the people they want to sign. The labels want to make as much money of the artist as possible. Most artists do not have the clout to turn down those type of deals if they want a label deal (or if they want a major label deal, anyway). It stinks for the artist, but that’s just the reality of the music business. It’s one reason why more and more acts these days have decided to stay independent rather than trying to get label deals. They are able to keep more of the money they earn that way.

  • springboard2

    At any rate, it appears that Adam will be recording his 3rd album with
    RCA, and no one knows what the nature of his current contract is with
    them, except that 19R is no longer involved.

    Yes, we don’t know the nature of his current contract.
    It may be  a 360 deal, it may not, it may be a ‘smaller’ contract but we don’t know, or we don’t know the extent of it.
    It is likely that we’ll have more idea once the 3rd album is released, considering the credits for songwriting and production, and the promo.

    In my opinion, it is unlikley to have a big budget, but who knows? someone in RCA may be strongly believing in him, or the international sales in countries we don’t have data from, mostly the Asian and Russian markets have been very good. It is possible that the audience has a different musical sensibility different to countries  like Australia and Europe.
    Or else.
    But these are only possibilities, since we don’t have the information.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    Pretty sure that Shoshanna Stone and her PR firm Outside Edge are employed on Adam’s behalf by RCA for both domestic and international PR – so I think she’s in a pretty good position to know his status with the label.  And she, like any PR rep, is very skilled at being vague when something is not set in stone (no pun intended).  Given that a formal announcement in the press is unlikely, Shoshanna’s word on the matter is about as definitive as it’s going to get, unless Adam decides to address it directly. 

  • Tess

    I also think that the benefits of a major label are tanking quite quickly since distribution of music has made a rapid change from brick and mortar to all things electronic.  Once upon a time you couldn’t get a major brick and mortar store to stock their shelves with your music unless you had the clout of their distribution network behind you but, now, with the advent of electronic downloads the system is rapidly readjusting itself.  Many good artists can sell boatloads on their individual sites alone without the help of anyone.

    Also, major labels no longer have the “song writer stables” they once did.  With song writers able to get their demos out there without the help of a label more and more people hear it and it gets passed on to those who can sing it.

    Recorded music isn’t the same “today” as it was “yesterday” and it has rapidly changed within the last five years.  Big sellers are selling their product for unheard of prices, who would have thought you could buy an album for as little as $3.99.  It will be interesting to see what the music business is in 10 years, it obviously isn’t the same as it was even 4 years ago when Adam started.  One thing that Adam, seemingly, has going for him is that he is “smart” in a business sense.  I don’t think he will get himself into a situation where he is nothing more than a puppet for a label….but I could be wrong.

  • Valarie

    This is just my understanding and I could be wrong. Unless Adam had a very different contract, his RCA contract was done through 19R. Therefore his contract could not remain intact without the 19R contract.

    Of course RCA could sign him to a new contract, but the old Idol contract would be void. A 360 deal is a good possibility, as it is the best way for the label to recoup expenses. RCA has long griped in the media, that the Idol contracts are ‘very expensive’.

  • Tess

    And if this was indeed the case 19R would not have “dropped” Adam for anything if there was any hope of them getting another dime from him.  It looks like Adam did not re-up his contract with 19R, and so if the RCA contract went bye-bye with it Adam is fully aware of what he is doing and obviously didn’t think that a label contract was worth hanging onto 19R for.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    Why would anyone stay with 19R unless they had to? IDGI!
    Think of a real life situaion for yourself. Suppose someone gets you a dream job that brings in millions each year. But the catch is that for 4 years, they are going to take a big % of your profits, maybe as much as 40%! The 4 years is up and 1) your tie to them ends  or 2)you can sign again & continue to split your profits with them. Would any of you choose to sign again? Anyone?
    Shoshanna is Adam’s publicist, period. She knows everything that is going on. She didn’t say “Adam is still with RCA” which could imply he might still be negotiating. No, the question was “What label album #3 would be with” Answer: RCA. I really do not know how much more plain that could be!

  • Eileen99

    19R is not going to leave easy money on the table, that’s not how business works & they’re not running an altruistic organization. I doubt it’s a situation where Adam decided, in his infinite wisdom & knowledge of the music business, that he could cut 19R of his record contract and they wouldn’t notice or mind.  If it were that simple, Kelly, Carrie & others would have done it before him.
    I’m sure there will be clarification soon.  Meantime, of course Adam’s team and his allies in the media are going to say he’s with RCA. That’s what they are supposed to do. Do people really expect they’re going to answer, especially on twitter, any other way?  

  • elliegrll

    I think that it is more likely that RCA didn’t pick up their third option on Adam.  I think that RCA is still interested and invested in Adam, but continuing with a deal that would require them to split the profits with 19, and that stated that they had to give Adam X amount of money wouldn’t have made any sense.

    It would be more logical to let the AI contract expire, and then negotiate another contract directly with Adam.  One that is more in line with him being a new artist, who just sold 180,000 copies of his last album.  As David Cook said, the contract that 19 had with the labels is very complicated.  The alums were getting paid as if they were established stars with solid track records, and that’s just not the case.  

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    Adam’s publicist has confirmed that his third album will be with RCA.

    namelessþ@namelessaddict
    @shoshannastone which label
    will the 3rd album b under? logical conclusion is RCA but speculation is
    rampant & it’d b good to end it

    shoshanna stoneþ@shoshannastone
    @namelessaddict RCA Adam and his team announce almost everything on Twitter — Queenbert, album release dates, etc.**It is not a 360 deal because he is still with DMG + many others.**

    I haven’t read the contracts that have appeared online, but from what I
    gather, it seems they are tied together – which would make sense, with
    19R inserting itself into the mix.  So probably renegotiations with RCA
    were necessary.

    I have read the Idol contract from Season 9, the contracts are separate. Sony/RCA would have known that Adam had a 4-year deal with 19 Recordings because that is the length of the license that 19 could offer. RCA most certainly had a contract that gave them options beyond the one the exercised for Album #2. Probable up to 5 options. Nothing else make sense.**The way major label contracts work, they can drop an artist at any point in the process — even before the first album is out. In Adam’s case, he probably has the first advance and a recording fund for Album #3. He only would get the rest on acceptance of the album. And if the work in not acceptable, he will have to do more work or they will pass on this album.

  • Tess

    Even if 19R in their infinite wisdom decided to “drop” Adam from its line-up I am sure that everyone connected with Adam including Adam probably whoopeed for a very long time.  Call it what you want and paint it as black as you want there doesn’t seem to be anything negative about Adam no longer being connected to 19R that I can see.  Even if he lost his label in the process I just can’t see any of this being a negative.  19 has never been a company I respected and what little clout they had pretty much disappeared when Simon Fuller sold it in my opinion.  

    So congrats Adam for getting “dropped”.  

  • Valarie

    Yep. I think that Adam has probably re-signed with RCA, with a deal that is more in line with his sales potential. It is very logical.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Interestingly, this tweet has been deleted:

    shoshanna stoneþ@shoshannastone @namelessaddict RCA

    I wonder why?

  • MellyPer1692

    Shoshanna does that often. Housecleaning she calls it. :). She deleted lots of tweets to fans yesterday.

  • irockhard

    **It is not a 360 deal because he is still with DMG + many others.**

    What does still being with “DMG + many others” have to do with a 360 deal? Artists on 360 deals also have management, booking agents, publicists, ect. A 360 is between their artist and their record label only.

  • MellyPer1692

    It’s bears saying once again that 180k is only US Sales.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1001332190 Pat Jonseof

     I’m not an expert, but seems this is the situation: RCA is owned by Sony, so tho Adam’s contract with 19R has expired (YAY!) he is still with RCA and working or getting ready to begin work on new music/album. According to Shoshanna Stone, UK Sony rep and our source for most things Adam, he’s staying right there.  Don’t know what his future holds, but I’m sure it is bright and exciting.  The champagne he was sharing with Sauli and various friends at his new abode seems to indicate that whatever it is, he’s excited. Of course, still has to get through scheduled concerts in Asia and Eastern Europe first.  There is nothing like being on this ride with Adam.  Amazing.

  • http://twitter.com/twatmethis Ahn Kim

    Who is shoshanna stoneþ?  Adam’s publist  twitter is 
    @shoshannastone
    https://twitter.com/shoshannastone 

  • MellyPer1692

    Yes, actually I do expect Adams team to tell the truth. I trust his team and others in the actual business more than those not in the business. They’ve been straightforward about things before, even when fans weren’t happy to hear it.

  • KatMyers

    I should clarify, it is the original “firstnamelastnameofficial” domain name (which of course is not in use) that continues to be renewed and not the current working website.  That’s why I thought that was a wtf registration.

  • MellyPer1692

    Shoshanna is his publicist both in the US and internationally. She works extensively with Sony artists including Britney, Usher and Shakira.

  • MellyPer1692

    Artists with 360 deals still have managers, publishing deals and others. I don’t know where you’re getting your information from, but they do. The label just shares in all revenues.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     19R is not going to leave easy money on the table, that’s not how
    business works & they’re not running an altruistic organization. I
    doubt it’s a situation where Adam decided, in his infinite wisdom &
    knowledge of the music business, that he could cut 19R of his record
    contract and they wouldn’t notice or mind.  If it were that simple,
    Kelly, Carrie & others would have done it before him.

    If you read the article again this is what was said

    Although the American Idol season eight runner-up had split with 19
    Management in August 2011, he remained signed to the recording arm of 19
    Entertainment (now owned by CORE Media Group) for another 18 months.

    The contract ended. period. It has been said that older Idols had longer contracts and after S7 terms and condition changed. Also Adam was not the winner so his contract with 19r/RCA was most likely even shorter term. It takes two parties to agree to a contract. The bottom line is he’s still with RCA and 19R will no longer rip him off. All ties to Idol is cut. More money for him and he no longer needs to go through 19r with regards to his career.

  • KatMyers

    You are right, I stand corrected.  Not being a avid fan per se, I checked the registration of the wrong website.  His official website was updated in December with a registration that goes to 2016.  Sounds good.

  • YankeeFan08

    Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think Adam would have tweeted yesterday about album #3 if he wasn’t either (a) still signed to RCA or (b) signed to another label.  I just don’t think timing wise it would have made any sense to tweet about album #3 if things were still in a state of flux.

    For me personally, I wish album #3 would be released under any label not named RCA.  I think they did a terrible job with the Trespassing era.  That album was critically acclaimed by many in the industry and deserved to be more successful than it was.  I really do hope that if Adam is still with RCA that they have a game plan worked out for the next release. 

    From what I can tell, it sounds like a good thing that Adam is no longer under 19R.  One less hand in his pocket.

    Very, very excited about the next era.  There’s never a dull moment for Adam’s fans.

  • bridgette12

    Why would anyone expect the Idols who sold the most to get the most comments? That would be Kelly, Carrie and P2, their sells are great, but personality wise, not that interesting.

  • everything

    I would be curious to see a link that tracks official sales (i.e., Idol Chatter, Billboard, HDD) that documents his domestic sales of TP are 180k.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    Adam’s 3rd album would be RCA’s second option.

    It would be more logical to let the AI contract expire, and then
    negotiate another contract directly with Adam.  One that is more in line
    with him being a new artist, who just sold 180,000 copies of his last
    album.  As David Cook said, the contract that 19 had with the labels is
    very complicated.  The alums were getting paid as if they were
    established stars with solid track records, and that’s just not the
    case.

    It is not logical that RCA would invest so much in Adam and have a 4-year expiration date in their contract so I guess you are suggesting that RCA renegotiated with Adam.

    Did RCA renegotiate a lower advance with Adam based on Trespassing? I have no idea, nor does anyone else posting here.

    No one here knows how many units Trespassing sold. All we have is the US retail sales of around 140K.

    Adam is an established international artist. He is not a new artist. He is almost certainly more famous now then when he left Idol.

    I for one am very happy that I will have a chance to buy another Adam album, that he is happy and that he is free of 19!

     

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “All we have is the US retail sales of around 140K.”

    According to the Soundscan year end sales chart, Trespassing has sold 173,639 units as of the end of 2012.

    179 RCA LAMBERT*ADAM TRESPASSING 173,639

    http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=95264&start=0

  • bridgette12

    It’s kind of funny that this is the same 19 that everyone seems to complain about and have some fans saying wishing their own special snowflake would get away from them and when it happens for Adam, suddenly it’s the worst thing in the world. I think it’s a great thing and best of all, Adam is doing a third album with RCA.

  • elliegrll

    It is not logical that RCA would invest so much in Adam and have a 4-year expiration date in their contract so I guess you are suggesting that RCA renegotiated with Adam.

    We know that RCA had a certain number of options on everyone, including Adam.  RCA had the right to pick up an option or not.  RCA, not the artists or 19, is the one in the driver’s seat, and the one who decides whether or not to pick up an option.  For example, it may make fans feel better to say that Cook, Kris Allen, Archie, or any of the other alum’s contracts were up, but obviously RCA would have exercised their right to the next option, if these people had sold better.  It’s also pretty obvious that 19, who loves money, and didn’t have to lift a finger, would still be in the picture if the original option had been exercised.

    RCA does seem invested in Adam, but it wouldn’t make financial sense for them to continue with the initial contract that included advances that aren’t in line with the amount of money that Adam is bringing in, nor in line with someone who is not getting airplay.  The lack of airplay is going to greatly diminish Adam’s chances of picking up new fans, so RCA has a pretty good idea of what album #3 might do.

    Adam is an established international artist.

    Not so much.  He can tour in some countries, but it would be a huge exaggeration to say that his songs from the current album did well in those countries.  

  • elliegrll

    It’s bears saying once again that 180k is only US Sales.

    Which is a huge drop from the first album, and based on the early figures that were released, he saw similar drops in other countries.   We know which countries sell the most albums, and we have a vague idea of whether or not songs did well in certain countries, and it didn’t seem like Adam’s songs were tearing up the charts anywhere.  

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    Oh! That was a typo — I meant 170K. (I fixed it.)

    My intended point: If Adam sold 173,639 in the US at retail, then he sold a lot more than 180K worldwide.

    Trespassing charted on the album charts in over 30 countries, include the overall European chart.

    Based on what we know about FYE sales — my GUESS is that about 50% of that albums sales were international and sales of Trespassing are > 300,000.

    With Adam, there is no way to ignore his international presence and sales.

  • bridgette12

    Sorry MJ, didn’t realize that it came across as that.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     For example, it may make fans feel better to say that Cook, Kris Allen,
    Archie, or any of the other alum’s contracts were up, but obviously RCA
    would have exercised their right to the next option, if these people had
    sold better.  It’s also pretty obvious that 19, who loves money, and
    didn’t have to lift a finger, would still be in the picture if the
    original option had been exercised.

    It makes be believe that 19m/19r never really gave a crap about the idols. If the pattern with Idols has been that with each album sales diminished why have a contract having the advances go up with each albums. It makes no sense and can’t really any label. 19m doesn’t get a pass neither because management are suppose to have their client best interest. It’s almost has if 19 set the Idols up for failure.

    Adam and many artists are an example that you don’t need to sell a gazillion albums for a label to keep you. Having a great management also helps. I have no doubt had Idols advances been reasonable they may have still been with their labels.

  • justmefornow

    “It also gives both the label and management more room to establish Adam as a new artist.”
    Seriously? Isn’t he like almost 31? 
    I think that ship has sailed.

    More like the label (if they did negotiate a new contract) will now treat him like any other artist on their roster selling less than 200k per album.

  • elliegrll

    I have read the Idol contract from Season 8, the contracts are separate and 19 Recordings is a PARTY to the RCA contract.  

    The NY Times posted some information from the season 8 contract.  The one that they posted had the amounts for the advances for the first album and subsequent albums.  It did that for both the winner and runner up.  It even stated that the advances after the first one would be dependent on how well the previous album performed.  Since the advance falls on RCA, it’s clear that the contracts aren’t so separate.  The contract that the NY Times posted is as much about what 19 would do for the alums as what was expected from the labels.  Which is why it hasn’t been to RCA’s benefit to invest time in artist development.  It makes more financial sense for them to just not pick up someone’s option, so that they don’t have to deal with the contract with 19.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “It makes be believe that 19m/19r never really gave a crap about the idols.”

    I think that the only care about the Idols insofar as how they can enhance and promote the show. The show is THE most important thing to 19etc./Core Media, and with the ad revenue that Idol earns, it’s easy to understand why the show is their top priority.

  • http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

    Maybe RCA wanted to pick up Adam’s option only if they could cut out 19R as the middle man.

    And maybe 19R backed out gracefully because they didn’t want to have another “Idol alumni dropped!” story going around just as the new season is starting.  When they’re trying very mightily to give the image of AI as the only show to have successful alumni.

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    And maybe 19R backed out gracefully because they didn’t want to have
    another “Idol alumni dropped!” story going around just as the new season
    is starting.  When they’re trying very mightily to give the image of AI
    as the only show to have successful alumni.

    I doubt it. There have been a number of former AI contestants over the years who’ve never been signed, who’ve left labels, been dropped, mutually agreed to not continue … whatever you want to call it and it never seemed to bother 19 in the past. Why they would suddenly care now? It’s not like they can’t point to some “success stories,” like Kelly and Carrie and Academy-Award-Winner-Jennifer-Hudson.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    Or maybe Adam’s 19R agreement expired just like Shirley reported. And Adam is still signed to RCA, just as Shirley reported.

  • Karen C

     For example, it may make fans feel better to say that Cook, Kris Allen, Archie, or any of the other alum’s contracts were up, but obviously RCA would have exercised their right to the next option, if these people had sold better. 

    Actually, at least for David Cook his sales were about the same as Adam’s for both albums.  He himself has said he left because of differences in direction.  The fact that Adam has stayed  on RCA just shows that it isn’t always about sales.  

  • http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

    The fact that Adam has stayed  on RCA just shows that it isn’t always about sales.

    Exactly! I was going to say that myself. It’s about sales, of course, but not just about sales. It’s also about direction, evolution, mutual vision, what the artist wants and is willing to compromise on. What the label is willing to do. A whole lot of things beyond just sales. 

  • bridgette12

    Your right, it could simplybe what’s been reported.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     I’m going to say it again but I think David Cook being an Idol winner his advance probably had a lot to do with it. Neither Adam or Cook got radio play for their second era and lie you said both sold nearly the same in the US. I think the label may have been OK with David making the music he wanted and sell 200k. With no radio play I also think 19m/Simon Fuller did nothing to expose DC to more audience. He doesn’t need to be a “celebrity” but magazine covers, more print interviews, better gigs not Idol related. His co-headline tour with DeGraw was useless. DC could have filed the same seats on his own. His tour was poorly planned and this is a management problem. Now I think if RCA forced DC to make pop music than I can see them parting ways but why not have him make the music he wants and sell
    200k. IDK maybe the whole 19r contract was in his way.
    splitting

  • mmb

    I don’t think the existence or non existence of the 19 logo on a website is all that illuminating. It’s not on Kelly’s or tasias. Just RCA. Neither RCA nor 19 are on Jordins. Just Sony. It’s not on Adams, but I’m not so sure that is a recent occurrence. And it’s still on kris and cooks. So really not much rhyme or reason

  • tripp_ncwy

    The logos on both Kris & Cook are irrelevant since neither are with 19 or Sony/RCA and the domains are no longer registered to Sony. As far as Kris, his management has stated that they are in the process of relaunching the site.

  • roarpen

    “That’s the story I find compelling. Nothing happens overnight, as it
    were, but the winds of change have some people’s attention far beyond
    who is signed by what Label…and deserve the best popcorn. Heh.”

    Yeah. sometimes I feel like we are focused and arguing about what is on the dinner menu, while in the meantime the house is burning down all around us. I don’t think that the ability of a major label to make a star or radio/sales success is going away (see Phillips, P.), but I think it will no longer be the only way, but rather one option among many. It’s kind of like the major tv networks. They aren’t the only players any longer. They are still important players, but the best shows are on cable, and many channels have hit shows. There is no longer total dominance by the networks, they just aren’t the only way, or even the most desirable way to go. I think that is where we are going with the big labels. And I find the fact that Macklemore and Lewis contracted with Warner Bros. for radio servicing, paying for it rather than it being part of a record deal, compelling. Warner had never done it before, but now there is a precedent.

    Re: Adam, he will be fine at this point whether he has an RCA contract or not. He can fill a venue, so that gives him income plus some leverage. I think if he wants to break out he will need material that makes more of a connection with the music consuming public. The critics seem to like Trespassing, but it didn’t translate this time around. I hope he is able to do that, as his voice is so stellar. Actually, I hope singing skill once again becomes part of what intrigues the general audience. But, the adage “it’s all about the song” still does, and always will, hold sway.

  • ANNIEBA

    Uh, you can’t connect with a song if you don’t hear it. It all boils down to radio play. Adam’s music was not the problem, IMO, it was lack of radio play and that was his label’s job. Adam brought everything they needed to the table, plenty of potential singles, a wealth of personal charisma, and is a fantastic live performer. RCA failed to market successfully all that Adam brought to the table and that is a shame, so if they are going to continue to support Adam I hope thy have learned from their mistakes. Fortunately Adam has a sizable and still growing international fanbase and is not completely dependent on the US. He is going to make pretty good money overseas with his tour and will continue to gain new fans. TSP is an amazing album and I am happy the overseas fans get to see a trespassing tour although I will bet Adam will have a few US one offs, since he can still but butts in the seats. I just hope there will be one I can attend!

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    The 19 logo was removed from Adam’s website on Friday overnight. With that timing I think it is meaningful.

    **

    I never understand the comparison of Cook to Adam, they are such different artists. The only things they have in common is they were both on Idol and both signed to RCA. But if one wants to compare, then it is important to compare accurately.

    Adam sold more that David on their second albums — even just in the US.

    The Loud Morning – 130,000 http://www.honolulupulse.com/tgifinprint/cook-is-ready-to-shatter-notions

    Trespassing – US Retail Sales 2012: 179 RCA LAMBERT*ADAM TRESPASSING 173,639

    Adam sold more internationally.

    TLM #23 in Canada, Trespassing #1 in Canada. The only other international chart for TLM I can find is the Korean International Chart. Trespassing charted in over 30 other countries.

    **

    The advances for winner and runner up in AI8 are not that different. According to the NY Times album 1 – winner advance $350,000, runner up $300,000. I believe AI7 deals are the same as AI8.

    The second album advance is based on sales of first album – and since Cook and Adam had similarly successful debut albums, their advances were probably similar. Adam may have gotten more because he was also exec producer of Trespassing which would give him an additional advance.

  • elliegrll

    Based on the sales numbers that were released, for example, the ones for the UK and Japan, I wouldn’t say that Adam has a sizable international fanbase.  Based on what was released in terms of hard numbers, and not various chart positions, Adam seemed to experience a sizable drop in other countries just like he did in the US, which isn’t a surprise.

    While RCA isn’t perfect they did/do have to deal with some obstacles with Adam, his age, a sound that is at times dated, as well as being undefined, and a bad marketing strategy during his first era.  All of the idol alums are special, but they still need to have the music to back it up, and good management. 

  • everything

    He had some success in his first era, so RCA must have done something right.  What it is that will change now, except that Adam Lambert is a few years older and as someone said, at 31, if he hasn’t already made it in the pop world, that ship has sailed on.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     I don’t think anyone is disputing Adam and Cook are two different artists BUT both their album sales weren’t that far apart. Adam debuted with bigger numbers but he has a larger fanbase. Adam had a lot more exposure and promo too. Also in fairness DC wasn’t exactly marketed outside the US.

  • bridgette12

    I thought his marketing strategy was pretty good. It got him the opportunity to have a full American tour and then go overseas. The strategy must have worked, because he’s still going back and getting paid to do it. There’s an opportunity to expand his fan base and go places that he’s never been like China, which is a place where you can make a lot of money. 

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    Cook had a platinum album in US, Lambert didn’t.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Having a platinum album is nice but it’s only a matter of certification. At the end of their 1st era Adam still outsold him in total album units and that what’s important to the labels. Units sold not certificates. International sales is also money.

  • sdmama

    I think all the attention he draws may not be helping to sell CD, but is helping selling tickets to see him live;)  A fan can download music only once, or even stream it without buying it, but can to go see live show again and again and again! [Done it.]

    His CD is almost like necessity so that he can do another tour with new songs, rather than selling the songs by themselves.  I am not sure a company wants to put up a money helping him make one, and collecting 5 cents per CD (19R). On the other hand, ones it is done and he starts touring, there is money to be made to go along with it, so different kind of contract with different company (RCA or SONY or somebody else) to share revenue from that by helping distributing and selling tickets and T-shirts?

     

  • roarpen

    Well, we will have to agree to disagree on the material. I was not impressed with it. Yes, it did receive critical kudos. But it apparently did not impress PDs enough for them to push the singles, or perhaps they played them and didn’t get a favorable response from listeners. At any rate, stans always blame everything and everyone else for the lack of their special showflake’s success. All of us, including me, are guilty of that with our special snowflakes. So, I hear what you are saying, but I just don’t agree. Adam seems to be doing well overseas, and he is not starving. That is more than 99% of musicians out there.

  • suenigma

    I really don’t want to get into a pissing match about who sold more, Cook or Adam, because I think they are both fantastic artists and guys, with remarkably successful first eras, but prove to me that Adam sold more worldwide than Cook did. It is an assumption not supported by facts.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    Just because Lambert, maybe, sold more units doesn’t mean that he made more money for the label. Both got dropped, so it wasn’t enough for either of them.

  • Karen C

    Not really, it was about 1.5+ million worldwide for both. And I’ve seen 150,000 worldwide for the second album, because the album was released in Asia last summer.   So it isn’t really that significantly different than Adam’s sales.

  • ANNIEBA

    I have no facts except the fact that Adam had a pretty successful tour first era overseas and is on the verge of another one in about a month on his second era. He has also had very successful concerts in places like SA that he didn’t visit on GNT. Don’t know how Adam could have done this if he wasn’t doing fairly decent there. If Cook had had comparable success wouldn’t he have toured overseas like Adam? Nothing against Cook, but just logic.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    It also doesn’t mean he made less. No one knows how much money any Idol on any album did or didn’t make for the label. What we do know is that Adam wasn’t dropped from his record label. His contract expired with 19R and he is still with RCA and is making a third album with them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    International sales count.They use real money outside of the US to purchase albums and download singles. 

    What do the numbers from the first album have to do with anything? Cook and Adam both had enough in total sales to give them a second album. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Their album sales aren’t that far off in huge numbers. Adam sold close to 2 million. The numbers come from RCA themselves. My response was to the post that platinum certificates isn’t what counts to a label but total album sales which both guys did well.

  • Karen C

    If Cook had had comparable success wouldn’t he have toured overseas like Adam? Nothing against Cook, but just logic

    Cook is very successful in Asia and had an Asian tour last summer, as well as a US tour in 2011.   His success is mainly in US and Asia, while Adam is successful in several other countries as well. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DJ7WHUJBDWDRRVA6FZZZ2OG4BY Sam

    “Shoriagirl 37 minutes ago in reply to Q3 Cook had a platinum album in US, Lambert didn’t.”

    That reminds me, when is David’s third album coming out? I’m not here often and I mostly read Kris news, but he had a new song in spring on Idol and I think he talked about making more music? I know he was dropped so can’t be in talks with his label like Adam here apparently is, so he he plans to self-release like Kris, right? How is that coming about?

    And to keep to the topic somewhat: I don’t think Adam doing a rock album would be a hit. I saw the video of a rock song he covered in concert recently and it was really boring. He doesn’t have his own rock style.

  • elliegrll

    International sales count.They use real money outside of the US to purchase albums and download singles.

    They count, but the numbers need to be higher than what Adam seems to be selling in order to counter the poor sales numbers from the US, and to justify the amount of money that RCA put into the album.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    Anyway back to Adam. I myself hope he goes a liitle more rock with some pop leanish. Greg Wells who produced “Can’t Let You Go” tweeted he would love to work with Adam on his new album.

  • bridgette12

    But if they are giving him a third album, it must be enough. Unlike, Kris, Cook, Lee, Crystal and Archie, they might think he has potential to make them some money.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     That’s true but I’ll let RCA worry about his poor sales which BTW didn’t stop them from dropping him or giving him a 3rd album. So maybe they are OK with his sales. Only they know his total sales outside of the US.

  • elliegrll

    I thought his marketing strategy was pretty good. It got him the opportunity to have a full American tour and then go overseas

    The marketing strategy played a huge role in him selling 800,000 copies of his first album in the US, and only 180,000 copies of his second.  I don’t see how that can be deemed a success.

    We all know that the numbers for the first era, whether it’s drawing people to a tour or albums sold, has a lot to do with the alums being on AI.  The goal is to not to rely on the AI popularity, realize that these AI fans needed to be turned into fans of the artist, and know that new fans need to be reached.  Someone selling over 77% fewer albums is a good indication that those goals where not met.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    Adam did not get dropped. His agreement with 19 Recordings has expired two different things. no mention anywhere legit of Adam being dropped. (I do not call Perez Hilton legit and he just slapped some sizzle on a rehash of the Billboard/THR article.)

    **

    suenigma I really don’t want to get into a pissing match about who sold more,
    Cook or Adam, because I think they are both fantastic artists and guys,
    with remarkably successful first eras, but prove to me that Adam sold
    more worldwide than Cook did. It is an assumption not supported by
    facts.

    ITA with the first part of your statement, “I really don’t want to get into a pissing match about who sold more,
    Cook or Adam, because I think they are both fantastic artists and guys…”

    I have no interest in rehashing Cook’s relationship with RCA or cobbling together numbers. The only official worldwide number we have is that Adam sold nearly 2 million copies of FYE worldwide. So nothing to compare.

    I will say that if there was a whole lot of Cook sales in other countries, he would have appeared on the import sales charts. The only one I could ever find is Korea International sales.

    **

    I believe and hope that Adam will stay with RCA, but whatever happens over the next few months, happens.

    I am certain Adam will be fine and will put out a great 3rd album.

    I also hope that he does a mini tour in the US and Canada. Flying to Russia and Asia to see him is not really practical.

  • http://twitter.com/eilonwya10 Eilonwy

    Your right, it could simplybe what’s been reported.

    Occam’s Razor: Why not believe sources are telling roughly the truth?

    19R reached a point at which it was possible for them to bail. It probably involved their decision to pick up the next option, which is not a huge shocker with the insane advances in the standard contract. RCA did not hurry to the same conclusion: either Lambert’s people HAVE negotiated a new contract or they’re in the process of trying and RCA is at least open to talking. 

    As far as the contract, it’s possible to do a partial 360, where the label gets a cut of various revenue streams but doesn’t provide management services. Lambert seems like an obvious candidate for discussing that kind of agreement, which doesn’t mean he actually agreed to it. Either way, it makes sense to have him under a contract that matches the label’s financial commitment to what he’s able to sell currently, so there’s some breathing space to develop him.

    If negotiations are successful, we’ll probably never know if agreement was fully reached before or after January 11, 2013. I’m not sure it matters. Lambert can’t immerse himself in the studio for the next album until he’s done with the international tour dates, and aren’t there some still in the future?

  • Karen C

    That reminds me, when is David’s third album coming out? I’m not here often and I mostly read Kris news, but he had a new song in spring on Idol and I think he talked about making more music?

    He is still working on the third album, it looks like it will be self released. He said it will be done soon, but there isn’t a release date, at least not one that we know about. 

    And yes, they were both on RCA.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

     RCA is happy enough with Adam’s total album and track numbers worldwide to keep him on the label and to be making a third album, which is a rarity with the signed Idol’s over the past 11 years.  

  • bridgette12

    First I have no idea what occam’s razor is and don’t quite understand people talking about a 360 deal, when Adam’s publicist said he don’t have a 360 deal.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    RCA Mod post on AO.com — did not see it here

    http://www.adamofficial.com/us/node/2225389

    Mega Fan
    Joined: May 2011
    Posts: 941
    United States

    Saturday, January 12, 2013 – 17:48
    RCA_FlashMod:
    Re: THR: Adam Lambert and 19 Recordings part ways o/

    If recollection serves me, according to my understanding, Adam chose to
    part ways with his management company, 19E (for entertainment) awhile
    back and signed on with his current one, DMG, but was still under
    contract with 19R (as in recordings), a recording arm of 19E. That
    contract has now expired, it seems. He is still under contract with his
    label, RCA.
    I will attempt to get some definitive factual information for y’all, but being it’s Saturday, may have to wait till Monday.

    RCA_FlashMod works for RCA. The “Mega Fan” is related to the number of posts.

  • bridgette12

    That’s good enough for me, he gets to make a third album with a major label and he will continue to tour when he’s not working on a new album. I can’t complain about that, much better than being dropped with no other label interested in you or your music.

  • Miss Chaos

    HA- H.A. reading those words, Cant Let you Go, gave me serious goosebumps, my favorite song of Adams and brings back memories of a hard time in my life, I played that sucker over and over and over.  Can you post it on here?????

  • ANNIEBA

     ITA, only TPTB know  the actual numbers. Especially places like China where he seems to be getting a lot of interest this era. There also seems to be interest in places like Iran and Brazil this era which are new markets for Adam. This is why I say Adam is still gaining new fans.
    I believe Adam is still with RCA and this is the reason, they see his potential and are largely to blame for his lack of success with singles this era, IMO. If RCA and Adam part ways it won’t be great but I also don’t think he will remain without a label for long. And we have no idea what other irons are in the fire for Adam either. He and DMG seem to be constantly looking for opportunities for him because he seems to be more than up to the task for anything they put in front of him. 2013 is shaping up to be pretty interesting. Adam is still promoting TSP overseas and new music is on the horizon. I also think more TV is on the table somewhere.

  • mzhallcat

    I think quoting international sales fiqures alone is misleading. Money in RCA’s pocket = income LESS expenses. Adam did a lot of overseas promotion, I don’t remember Cook or Archie doing that. Also, Cook and Archie came off the same season of Idol and did some overseas touring together. Kinda a 2 for 1 promotion deal = less $ spent post season. Without seeing RCA’s financial records how do we know which idol put the most money in it’s pocket during his time with the label??? Can we safely assume that Adam’s international sales give him a security with the label that others did not have???

  • ANNIEBA

     I would love to see Adam work with Greg Wells again. I would also like to see more collabs with Pharrell and Sam Sparro not to mention Bonnie Mckee. I like a lot of Claude Kelly’s stuff but would prefer he stay away from Adam this time and the same with Dr Luke.
    I love, love the funky beats and gorgeous ballads on TSP and I for one hope he continues to explore this direction but maybe go even further. R&B funk sounds really suit him, IMO.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     He is still under contract with his label, RCA.

    Is it possible that Adam’s 19r and RCA contract wasn’t in concurrence with each other and all this talk about re-upping and renegotiating was all about nothing. Do we really know what was in Adam’s original contract to begin with. Shoshana has made no indication that Adam’s RCA contract was up. All these speculations has all been coming from blog posters.

  • bridgette12

    It must have given him something, because he still has his contract and is doing a third album for RCA while Cook and Archie have neither.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    “Can’t Let You Go”
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPfcVjoZyNI

    My favorite “Runnin”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APvpntrylxo

  • everything

    What other option does Lambert really have than to hang on to his contract with RCA?  It’s not like there’s a bidding war from other labels to sign him.   If there is, why would he continue with a label that apparently has not done a good job in his second era?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     I bet my house that 99.5% of the Idols made amost no money with their albums sales. Except for Carrie and Kelly and Daughtry(writing credits for a mega successful album. Their money is made mostly on touring and private gigs.

  • kmd23

     Actually if you count Archie’s Christmas album ( and I don’t know why you would not) he did complete 3 albums for his label, Jive. Jive no longer exists and I guess it’s considered RCA now.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     Maybe now that 19r is out of the picture and Adam no longer needs to refer to them regarding his artistic vision RCA may be willing to up their game plan. Him and RCA won’t have a 3rd party to deal with. One can hope right.

  • bridgette12

    It’s a Christmas album, not original music. 

  • wordnerdarchie

    Those that have writing credits make money on their albums.  Kelly, Carrie, David C., Lee DW, Kris just to name a few.

  • Incipit

    First I have no idea what occam’s razor is…

    I hope this isn’t OT, bridgette12, but the phrase “Occam’s Razor” has shown up in threads on this blog so many times, I guess it wouldn’t hurt to post a brief explanation..because no doubt it will show up again in a discussion somewhere.

    Occam’s razor (also written as Ockham’s razor) is a principle which states that among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected –  that one should proceed to simpler theories until simplicity can be traded for greater explanatory power. 

    That’s what Eilonwy meant by “Occam’s Razor: Why not believe sources are telling roughly the truth?” The simplest explanation that requires the fewest assumptions amongst all the “maybes”.

  • fantoo1

    I think it was simply because he wasn’t making 19 enough money so they dropped him.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    I don’t think Lee, Cook, Kris and Adam made all that much with their writing credits.

  • cmom

    As long as people are bringing up @davidarchie, I think both he and Adam are good examples of how certain Idols are very successful overseas. Archie had the lead in a very successful mini-series in the Phillipines, got a BENCH modeling contract, put out an album there and had huge numbers of people come out to see him all over Asia during that tour in 2011/2012 and leading up to his mission which is finished in early 2014. He is backed by Sony international overseas and as to how well-loved he is (and I bet this is true for Adam too) here he is doing a really great encore (after singing 20+ songs) in Kuala Lumpur of Gnarls Barklely’s “Crazy”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZCpmvMHa_g (I can see why this is the song that Simon Cowell said during the beginning of Hollywood week that him singing this was “incredible”) and that was tame compared to this concert version. I think that Adam will continue to do well here and ovelrseas and I hope the same for Archie when he gets back. Good voices, charismatic in very different ways – very different artists and people but both confident enough to be true to themselves and their own musical future.

  • bridgette12

    It’s not OT but I don’t read everything on every thread, especially what seems to be someone’s theory, principal or plain ole bullshit.  As far as I am concerned, everyone is making assumptions until something is proved true. Only the ones involved in it, know the truth.

  • mjsbigblog

    THIRD reminder:

    The topic of this post i Adam Lambert and his split from 19R. The TOPIC IS NOT *insert your special snowflake here*.

    Please, only bring other Idols into the discussion if they are directly relevant to the topic.

  • cmom

    I don’t see how discussing how another Idol is successful overseas in connection with Adam’s and others overseas successes when in the light of their splitting with mgmt/labels/etc. is not revelent as part of the overall comparisons of how they are making these changes and still managing to have a music career. For me it is tying together all of their efforts  and showing that it can be done one way or another. Sarcasm and “snowflake” is not necessary to make the point about what I thought would be an interesting counterpoint to what happens to another idol who split or separated from various mgmt/RCA/Jive/19 etc.  

  • elliegrll

    Adam is doing well compared to most idol alums, but it’s not like the bar is really high.  Adam doing well in comparison to everyone not named Carrie, Kellie, Fantasia or Daughtry isn’t really the issue, nor does it tell us how well he’s doing or not doing in the real world.  We know that the numbers for most alums aren’t great, but why not compare what Adam is doing to what other artists in the marketplace are doing, especially if we are going to use words like superstar to describe him, or brag about him still having a contract.

  • jlurksacto

    “I think it was simply because he wasn’t making 19 enough money so they dropped him.”  “Any” money was enough for 19 because they didn’t/don’t do anything.

  • mjsbigblog

    Kris and Cook both have 19 logos on their official sites.

    Once again….KRIS IS NO LONGER WITH 19R. He told me that HIMSELF. Standing literally TWO FEET AWAY FROM ME.

    Logos posted on individual artists sites cannot be used as proof of…well ANYTHING.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I didn’t use the word superstar to describe Adam, nor did I brag about him having a contract. I am, however, happy that he did well enough worldwide for RCA to keep him at the label for album #3.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    The contract with 19R expired. Adam and 19R decided not to renew, but he is still with RCA and making another album.

  • kmd23

     The topic of the thread was that Adam is no longer with 19R. I really do not believe that 19R would sever ties to Adam if he was making money or had potential to make money for them. That to me is just common sense.

  • jpfan2

    I  think 19R contributes money to the promo budget for their artists.    I doubt Adam will be on Idol this season for example. Not just because he won’t have new music out but also because of the 19R connection.Even when Cook wasn’t with RCA they did feature him on Idol because he was still with them. So they do something. ;0

  • YankeeFan08

    He doesn’t need 19R.  What have they done for him other than take a cut of his earnings?  Did they help to get him radio play, no, they didn’t.  The contract ended and wasn’t renewed.  It’s as simple as that.  I look at it this way.  Even if they weren’t making enough money off Adam, with the tie now severed he gets to keep more of what he does make.  I don’t look at that as a negative.

  • barbls

    Most of you wishing for Adam to fail do not want to accept that he is still with his label RCA and that he is doing a 3rd album with them in 2013. His publicist stating it on Twitter, Adam tweeting about his third album and the write-ups, will not allow you to believe it. You just want Adam without a label. You deride his music you have not even listened to as shown by your descriptions of his music. Don’t accept the truth, it doesn’t matter. I don’t understand comments by  people that want so much for Adam to fail. When I don’t care for an artist or his music, I don’t feel a need to comment about how I feel, but you guys are amazing! You care so much and have so much invested in seeing Adam fail. Kind of pathetic! What has Adam ever done to you to make you hate him so? How can anyone hate Adam. He is the nicest human being, he is gorgeous and his talent is to be in awe of. If it is because of his fans, direct it to them, not Adam.

  • jpfan2

    How is 19R going to get radio play short of payola?  I think that’s the label’s job anyway. Not sure what genre of music album #3 will be so it’s a little early to talk about radio. 

  • bridgette12

    I thought the report said that the contract expired, that he is no longer tied to 19, but still with RCA.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    I haven’t seen any reference to Adam being called a superstar here and I see no bragging about him having a contract because he never was without one. All the assumptions of him being dropped have always came from non fans so for the benefit for those who any doubt he’s still is an employee of RCA. Any “parting of ways” is with 19r and as far as his fans is concern no one cares less . Bye Bye 19R!

  • hellomusicgirl

    Why does it matter how many albums or tours or anything that any other artist, Idol or not, did? They didn’t have an impact on Adam’s contract with 19R.

    Obviously if you’re a fan of Adam, you’re gonna feel that he has the most exposure in certain areas because you follow him and see all the things that he does and that are released about him. You wouldn’t be as privy to the promo and press and activities that any other artist is getting in that same sense unless you were following them closely as well. That’s why I think it’s ridiculous for me to ever definitively assert my particular favorite is “more popular” or has “more potential” than another. Unless you have some independent, third-party research going on, the simple fact is that you just don’t know. Sales don’t tell it all, concerts attendance #s don’t tell it all, twitter followers don’t tell it all; its some combination of those + some other magical things. In the end, who cares. All that matters is that the person you follow still has a career so that you can continue to follow them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     Adam doesn’t need to go on Idol. If they want him fine but it’s really not the demographic he should be targeting. ;)

  • mmb

    i thought that when Cook left RCA he left 19 as well…I think his appearance on Idol post label split had more to do with his being with Fuller’s management company…but agree that Adam won’t be on Idol this season having severed all ties with 19 (atho j-hud, pickler, constantine and others without 19 connections have been on the show…but probably split is too fresh for this season)

  • MellyPer1692


    wordnerdarchie
    56 minutes ago
    Those that have writing credits make money on their albums. Kelly, Carrie, David C., Lee DW, Kris just to name a few”

    Since the topic of the thread is Adam, he probably should be included in the “few”. He had had writing credit on 9 of the 12 songs on Trespassing and 5 of the songs on FYE Deluxe.

  • lac123

    This whole situation is rather strange b/c you would think that 19R would keep someone if all they’re doing is getting paid (no matter how little).  And I really can’t believe that Adam would be in a position to say no to them.  So on that account it would make sense if Adam got dropped from both 19R and RCA.  But on the other hand, Adam has a musical presence and by looking at his Vevo, last FM, etc numbers compared to other idols and C and B list artists he’s not doing all that bad.  I bet he had another label (may have been smaller, or not) waiting in the wings.  From a commercial standpoint, Adam really is a hard one to predict. He has crazy talent, is a lose cannon and I bet RCA wants to keep him on (at least for 1 more album) in case he does catch on.

    tldr..Really odd situation but Adam’s not typical idol artist

  • girlygirltoo

    Huh? What does him being managed by DMG have to do with what kind of deal he can sign with RCA? There are several artists signed with big-time management companies  who have 360 deals with labels. So I don’t understand your argument

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

     His agreement expired, he was not dropped. There was no reason for Adam to renew.

    Does 19R really even exist? Are they any employees? Do they service any A&R function?

    Seems to me they do nothing but take money for discovering Adam.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    I doubt Adam will have anything to promote during the upcoming season of Idol but they appear to book artists to get ratings, not based on 19’s side deals. Even Clay was on Idol after he beat them.

    The official statement says the parting was amicable. I will go with that.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Sorry for the omission – I wasn’t sure about his cowrites like I am with the ones I mentioned.  I was responding to a previous comment.

  • HKfan

    How do you know there’s not a bidding war going on????? I’m not saying there is, but no one has any idea what goes on behind the scenes.

  • HKfan

    But if the report is correct and the contract has expired, 19R has no option to let him go if Adam chooses not to renew the contract, whether he was making them millions or not.

  • Karen C

    Even when Cook wasn’t with RCA they did feature him on Idol because he was still with them.

    He was no longer with 19 R when he was on Idol after leaving RCA.  The single he did at the time was not copyrighted with 19R or RCA. 

  • HKfan

    Again, a contract is between two parties, when it expires either party has the option not to renew. Adam has as much right not to renew as 19R.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    I posted several pages back a list of the relationships Adam has with various entities that would need to be terminated if he signed a 360 deal with RCA. An artist can have a personal management contract but not a full management and marketing deal and a 360 deal. But he has at least 7 other agreement that preclude a 360 deal.

    Anyway why would Adam sign a 360 deal with RCA? And what is this based on?

    And if Adam had just signed a 360 deal with RCA, why is he not going to tour in the US this year but going to work on his album? 15% or 20% of Adam’s earnings for a US Tour is a meaningful number.

    Is this an attempt to explain why RCA would keep him because it is too unbelievable that he would get a 3rd album deal without giving RCA a cut of his concert and merchandising revenue?

    Or did I miss a press release?

  • kmd23

    I thought the topic of the thread was about Adam’s “split” with19R not a third album that has not even been released yet. lol. He might have a 360 deal in the works with RCA but who knows. He might not. It is all just speculation at this point.

  • suenigma

    Totally agree with you lac123. This whole situation is hard to predict and certainly unique, but then again so is Adam. It will all come out in the wash in the end, and Adam will be in the driver’s seat, whether he stays with RCA or not.

  • Karen C

    And if Adam had just signed a 360 deal with RCA, why is he not going to tour in the US this year but going to work on his album?

    Maybe if he did sign such a deal, it would start with the next album. If he toured now it would still be under the old contract?

  • kmd23

    If Adam does have a 360 deal in the works with a label I would not expect any announcement on those specifics. The parties involved would keep that type of contract very private.

  • bridgette12

    Since  he don’t have one, that should be a easy secret to keep.

  • bridgette12

    Shoshanna answered a tweet from a fan last night who asked if Adam had a 360 and she answered, no he did not. Now if she didn’t want to answer or the answer was yes, all she would have to do is ignore the tweet, but she didn’t.

  • Karen C

    Then he’s probably just continuing under his original contract with RCA.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    If RCA signed a 360 deal with Adam they would press release it because it would be a big deal.

    They only talk of a 360 deal is in the thread and is based on no facts or even rumors. It all started with this post on page 1 of this thread:

    MellyPer1692 Will be interesting to see if he signed a
    new deal with RCA and went 360. Sony has been involved in setting up some of
    the Asian shows.

    Sony is involved with local radio promotions for Trespassing and some appearances on Adam’s upcoming tour just like they have been in the past, but not involved beyond that. DMG, CAA and local promoters are putting this tour together.

  • MellyPer1692

    Q3, are you an insider to all of this? You seem to make very declaratory statements on well, pretty much everything. Or are you speculating?

  • girlygirltoo

    I am of the opinion that RCA probably simply picked up the option for a 3rd album. But it’s not like a 360 deal isn’t a legitimate idea — labels are looking to sign pretty much every artist to some sort of 360 deal these days — it isn’t something that would be unique to Adam or any other ex-Idol.

    But I still would like to know where your info comes from. I’ve been taking music business classes at UCLA for 2 years now, and not once have I heard anyone say when discussing a 360 deal with a label that an artist cannot have a full management deal AND a 360 deal with a record label. Can you point me to some source that says that? I’d appreciate it, thanks

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    Yes, I posted Shoshanna’s tweets in this thread but were dismissed by some because she is Adam’s publicist and would not tweet about any changes, new contracts.

    And separate from that tweet, Adam has no reason to sign a 360 deal unless it is for a huge check like Madonna’s deal with LiveNation’s Artist Nation. And that is not likely to happen.

     

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    ITA I think RCA just waited until the 19 R deal was over then exercised their option for album #3.

     Regarding 360 deals, they are not new and are certainly legit. The label is only about 10 years old but they have been around for decades. One could argue that the 19 contract is a 360 deal — 19 gets a percentage of recording, performance and merchandising revenue.

    360 deals make sense for developing artists like Paramore’s deal (often used as a example of a win-win 360 deal). LiveNation create a new version of a 360 deal with Madonna, but it makes no financial sense for LiveNation. They are paying her $30 to $40 million per album. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/not_sweet_music_B9JAzGPgUF4sMDw2BMB6QP

    The nature of 360 deals are not secret, and there are many lawyers who have posted info online.

    With a traditional record deal, a label would release an artist’s album
    and make money from those sales only.  But, with a 360 deal, the record
    company not only produces and releases albums for the artist, they also
    share in all income the artist generates, which may include any
    combination of record sales, touring, publishing, and merchandising.

     

    Link: http://www.johnson-moo.com/360-music-deals-360-contract/

    So why would Adam give a percentage of touring, publishing and merchandising income to RCA?

    And what happens to his deals with Kobalt Music (publishing), CAA (booking), DMG (all the parts except personal management), etc.? He has his own creative team and photographer, and they did the work on Trespassing not RCA. He has his own business management firm. Unless he got a deal like Madonna’s big check for percentage of all future earnings, can’t see it makes any sense for him.

    But if I am missing a way this makes sense for Adam, please let me know.

    **

    Regarding touring: In August 2012, Adam tweeted there would be a Trespassing Tour when the time was right. In December 2012, Adam said there will not be a Trespassing Tour but that he was going to work on his new album. Hopefully that will change and he will do the album fast then tour. :)  The upcoming set of concerts was also not going to be a tour, but it is 17 concerts from Japan to Finland so looking tour-like to me.

    The Glam Nation Tour was announced on April 27, 2010 and the first concert was June 6, 2010, about a month after it was announced. So with Adam, I have learned anything is possible. And he already has a rehearsed show, costumes, dancers and backup signers and his band. At the least I am hoping for a few concerts.

  • Larc

    On top of everything else, it wouldn’t be surprising if Queen did a limited US/Canada tour sometime this year, maybe in the fall.  Of course Adam would be involved in that.

  • kmd23

     That is true. No one has any idea what type of record deal Adam has at this point( if he has one) except that 19R will not be part of it.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    Since Idols sign exclusive recording contract with 19R (exclusive means that they cannot sign any deals with anybody else) and not this contract is gone, most likely that Adam doesn’t have any recording deal right now.  If RCA decides to release Adam’s 3rd album, they will make a deal with him and it will be widely announced. 

  • Karen C

    It’s possible that Adam had a slightly different contract from others that allowed him to stay with RCA.  

  • Happyhexer

    Hmm.  Lots of posts.  I, frankly, have no idea what any of this means for Adam, and I’m not going to speculate, especially about anything negative.  We will all learn what’s what in good time.  Regardless of what happens with RCA, I am sure Adam will be in the music biz for a long time to come.  Too talented not to, both as a vocalist and performer.  The more interesting issue, to me, is Adam’s musical direction.  Will he follow the same path or a different one?  And what impact will that choice have on the label he is signed with, or vice versa?

  • mxaxrxyx

    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, just admit it.  You are making this up as you go, right?

  • Karen C

    If RCA decides to release Adam’s 3rd album, they will make a deal with him and it will be widely announced.

    It sounds like this has already been decided and announced that Adam is staying with RCA.

  • breakdown

    I’ve been reading this for the education, not because it concerns Adam. But I really don’t know much more than when I started. Is 19R/RCA a package deal? I guess we will find out soon enough.

  • gferna

    Adam tweeted about a third album. He is so lucky.  19 departure, I don’t know what that means for him but his two albums have very good songs, but because of some lyrics, they were afraid to release the good ones.
    Wish him well.  Now this is like his last chance.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

    So the THR article states Adam is still with RCA. DMG states in the article they are already discussing the 3rd album with the label. Adam says the 3rd album is coming, probably this year. His publicist says the 3rd album will be with RCA, but the large maority of the people here are still wondering if he is with RCA?
    Huh?

  • lovetheusa1776

     Gorgeous song – extraordinary, devastating performance.

  • Karen C

    So the THR article states Adam is still with RCA. DMG states in the article they are already discussing the 3rd album with the label. Adam says the 3rd album is coming, probably this year. His publicist says the 3rd album will be with RCA, but the large maority of the people here are still wondering if he is with RCA?

    That about covers it. The only question I have is if he had to sign a new contract or if this is his original contract.  But I have no doubt he is now with RCA.

  • everything

    Lambert
    is hardly in a safe position with RCA. I see him hanging by a thread, more so
    than Kelly Clarkson and Daughtry, who has had success beyond the first album. I
    can see him being on the chopping with budget cuts, shifts in priorities, and
    those types of things happens all the time in corporate America

  • MellyPer1692

    Why would they make a big announcement when the original announcement says he remains with RCA?

    That would be weird, “We’re going to make a big public announcement that one of our artists is still our artist.”

  • lovetheusa1776

     Metaphor Overload Alert.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Am reminded of the parable of the blind men and the elephant.

  • http://twitter.com/shoriagirl Shoriagirl

    Adam’s original contract was with 19R and not with RCA. Here is just one of the articles that reports that Adam recording contract is with 19R and that his album(s) are licensed to RCA.  

    http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00024868.html

    This is standard for ALL Idols to be signed to 19R, unless 19R didn’t want to sign them and they got record deals independently.

    Please, show me a source that confirms that Adam has a recording contract with RCA.  Being on “RCA roster” or “with RCA” is not a confirmation of the contract.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

     No it is not a package deal forever. 19 Recordings has a term during which they had the right to license the Idol finalists to a record label. Once 19R selects the record label, there is three party recording contract — 19R, the label (RCA for Adam) and the artist are the three parties. (source CKX SEC filings about the Sony agreement 2006, 2007.)

    All we know for sure is:

    1. The 19 Recording deal with Adam has expired. They parted amicably.

    2. Adam is still under contract with RCA.

    3. Adam is working on his third studio album.

  • MellyPer1692

    Well, all I know is that when Cook and Kris “left” their label, the press release and stories were about their departures from RCA. In fact, it wasnt even known for a while that Kris wasnt with 19R.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Adam still has his contract with RCA and is making a third album with them. That isn’t being in an unsafe position.
    Unless an artist is someone like Katy Perry or Gaga, the majority are all on a record to record basis. Adam is no different than the majority of artists signed to major record labels today.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    No, it isn’t a package deal. 19R is a product of the Idol machine. They help the contestants that they sign find a record label. Most of the time, that label has been either RCA or (in the past) Jive. Idols can have record label deals, even with RCA, without being signed to 19R.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deavanryan Deavan Ebersole

    No, the contract with 19R and RCA Recordings are two different recording contracts. The 19R contract is issued while the contestants are still on Idol. Generally when they begin selling each weeks song on iTunes and such. Adams contract with RCA was signed post-idol. Hope that helps! :) 

  • springboard2

    All we know for sure is:

    1. The 19 Recording deal with Adam has expired. They parted amicably.

    2. Adam is still under contract with RCA.

    3. Adam is working on his third studio album.

    I think that this is what we know:Adam and 19R have parted way.
    They say they parted way amicably but this is what is always said, is just meaningless PR.
    Adam is working on his third album, but we don’t know the terms of any contract behind it.
    The tweet from his rep saying that it will be with RCA has been deleted, for whatever reason.

  • cherch

    Here’s Adam’s updated Non-Tour European/Asian Tour  :)

    http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn112/mariedrummond/Adam/The2013Non-TourTour.png

  • irockhard

    I posted several pages back a list of the relationships Adam has with
    various entities that would need to be terminated if he signed a 360
    deal with RCA. An artist can have a personal management contract but not
    a full management and marketing deal and a 360 deal. But he has at
    least 7 other agreement that preclude a 360 deal.

    That’s nonsense. To quote girlygirl:

    But I still would like to know where your info comes from. I’ve been
    taking music business classes at UCLA for 2 years now, and not once have
    I heard anyone say when discussing a 360 deal with a label that an
    artist cannot have a full management deal AND a 360 deal with a record
    label
    . Can you point me to some source that says that? I’d appreciate
    it, thanks

    Anyway why would Adam sign a 360 deal with RCA? And what is this based on?

    Based
    on the fact that he can’t make RCA (or anyone else) enough money via
    record sales so they’re unlikely to offer him any other kind of deal.

    And if Adam had just signed a 360 deal with RCA, why is he not going to
    tour in the US this year but going to work on his album? 15% or 20% of
    Adam’s earnings for a US Tour is a meaningful number.

    Artists
    on 360 deals tour outside the US too. 15% or 20% of tour revenue is too
    much for Adam to part with? Well I guess he should go the self
    publishing route then.

    Is this an attempt to explain why RCA would keep him because it is too
    unbelievable that he would get a 3rd album deal without giving RCA a cut
    of his concert and merchandising revenue?

    That
    and it’s because Adam’s chances of airplay are not likely to improve
    now that he getting older so where must RCA get their returns from then?

  • irockhard

    If RCA signed a 360 deal with Adam they would press release it because it would be a big deal.

    Why???

  • Tess

    That and it’s because Adam’s chances of airplay are not likely to improve now that he getting older so where must RCA get their returns from then?

    I think you need to review the ages of some who have had great sales and hit records the past ten years.  Just off of the top of my head I can think of several who are well past their prime recording away and making good money.  

    And, I have just reviewed the artists on several major labels and I would say I have heard about less than half of them.  There might be a couple of dozen recording stars who are “known” outside of their fan base and specific genre but the number gets smaller every year as more and more people find lots more ways of getting away from listening to a few radio stations.  Satellite radio and the internet have forever changed the dynamics of the listening public.

    As always the tweenies and the teenies with their crushes and their susceptibility to marketing will continue to keep a few on top of the heap (who invariably crash as their fans grow up)…and a few really good artists will continue to come along, like an Adele, and capture the mass public’s attention but, for the most part most of the good music out there isn’t performed to mass consumption and the good artists are not those who sell to the masses.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “I think that this is what we know:

    Adam and 19R have parted way.”

    I agree. Everything else is speculation in regard to Adam’s contractual situation.

  • irockhard

    See now you just explained why more and more artists, even big names who are struggling with record sales, are either signing up for 360 deals or going the self publishing route.

    Which is my point: it is unlikely that RCA or any other label will offer Adam anything but a 360 deal, because hardly anyone else gets offered any other kind of deal these days. So if Adam doesn’t want to share his tour revenue with the label he better be prepared to go the self publishing route.

  • jpfan2

    “Adam and 19R have parted way.”
    I agree. Everything else is speculation in regard to Adam’s contractual situation.”

    I think this sums it up! Although I’ll go with those that think Adam is probably in discussion with RCA about the terms of a future deal. That makes the most sense in terms of the limited info that’s out there.

  • Tess

    We can all speculate about how someone is “planning” on moving forward with their career but to say that they have only one choice doesn’t seem to mesh with reality.  I have no idea which recording artists have 360 deals or how many.  We know this is something labels are pushing and artists, for the most part, are resisting.  And there are lots of ways to record other than self publishing and a lot more labels than just RCA who isn’t at the top of the heap right now, anyhow.

    If someone’s strength is outside of record sales and they can make money without the backing of the suits running a label why would they give that up to have a contract?  I’ve been to a gazillion concerts in my lifetime and many of them haven’t recorded for upteen years or have had limited sales when they did but boy can they pack a venue and sell it out in a matter of minutes.

  • waitingforthe1

    Just like Dominos – This thread delivers LOL

    Adam is no longer with 19 Recordings.  Until there is an announcement of some kind or until Adam is removed from RCAs official artist page I think it is safe (and sane) to assume he is still signed with RCA. 

  • irockhard

    Can Adam write AND produce his own music? Does he have his own studio? Does he have contacts in radio and distro powerful enough that he doesn’t need help from a major label to get airplay and distro? If not he’ll have to take the best offer he can get which, due to his recent track record at radio, is not going to be anywhere near as lucrative as 19R/RCA contract he had.

  • justmefornow

    Isn’t Adam a little young yet to tour as a legacy act? 
    Unless he tours with the legacy act of Queen, but that’s not his original music, just basically karaoke with better staging.

  • Tess

    Well unless I missed something Adam executive produced his last recording and wrote or co-wrote 9 of the tracks I believe. And many labels distribute material outside of their own stable just to make ends meet.  And, though some disagree, basic radio is not the only way music is heard and many, many labels don’t seem to have a clue how to get their music heard for anyone in their stables.  And how do we know what kind of a contract Adam had…sure we can speculate on the publishing of a boiler plate contract that was issued for a minor, but that is as accurate as asking an company executive what his salary is in relationship to his earnings.

    We can try, mightily, to pigeon hole every artist and to assume that what happens to some other gander might happen to them but, again, it is pure speculation.  And what may seem the “best offer” to a layman probably carries enough loopholes that someone closer to the reality may pass up because it doesn’t contain what they need: be it money or control.  

    I don’t know Adam from Adam but, based on what I have seen, the man doesn’t seem to be foolish with a nickle and seems to have a business head on his shoulders (yeh, I know rare in the industry he is in).  And I think people would be surprised at how many private individuals and business consortiums are willing to invest in someone…maybe Adam will find someone like that if things don’t work out with RCA.  The man has lots of options the general public knows little about, I would think.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    As much as I can understand fans wanting Adam to front more concerts with Queen (he’s fabulous in this role), I am hoping that he can solidify and expand his fanbase based on the appeal of the music that he wants to produce, because from everything that I’ve read or heard from him, this seems to be his first priority. I think that he is on this path, but not quite there yet in terms of being an established artist. Good luck to him!

  • Tess

    My example was not limited to legacy acts…lots of people perform without selling a gazillion albums.  Sometimes people just can’t see the forest because they focus on a couple of trees.

  • irockhard

    You’re still not explaining how the label can make more money than they spend if the artist can’t get radio hits.

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    So many assumptions masquerading as facts.  There is too much none of us could possibly know for anyone to speak so authoritatively on many of these issues.
     
    The first thing we don’t know is RCA’s analysis of the reasons for the underperformance of the “Trespassing” era.  Do the label PTBs believe the problems lay with Adam?  If so, do they see those problems as fixable?  Not much can be done about age, if they see that as an issue.  Musical direction?  That can be dealt with, as long as Adam is open to working with the label to arrive at a direction that is acceptable to both sides.
     
    It’s a long shot, I know, but maybe RCA honchos have decided, in retrospect, that some of their own decisions in connection with “Trespassing”’s launch and selection of singles were, shall we say, less than optimal.  Maybe they recognize that launching the lead single during the holiday freeze was a bad idea, or that releasing two singles that didn’t represent the sound of the album and perhaps played it too ~safe hurt it (by the time of the third single, IMO it didn’t matter what the hell they released…the label wasn’t going to promote it so it wasn’t going to go anywhere). 
     
    We also don’t know what actions Adam and his management took in advance of the pending termination of the 19R contract (and possibly concurrent termination of the RCA contract).  DMG seems to me to be reasonably proactive; I find it hard to believe his management was just sitting there twiddling their thumbs.  If there were any question in their minds about whether Adam and RCA would be able to come to terms – or even if there wasn’t – it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that they initiated discussions with other labels, CD in hand.  Other labels may have heard “Trespassing” and thought that they could have made plenty of money on it, with a different launch, different selection of singles, and a different radio promotion strategy.  If Adam is indeed remaining with RCA, as all indications are at this point, we’ll never know if that was the case or not.  We can only guess.  Either there was no interest elsewhere (or the terms being offered were no better elsewhere), or Adam/DMG were happy enough with the post-mortem discussions with RCA about the “Trespassing” era and future plans to conclude that Album #3 would be handled differently.  Odds are we’ll never know if it’s a 360 deal or not, because there’s no reason we should know.  Everyone will have opinions about which of those situations apply, but that’s all they will be…opinions.  No matter how authoritatively stated those opinions may be.
     
     

  • fuzzywuzzy

    “So many assumptions masquerading as facts.  There is too much none of us could possibly know for anyone to speak so authoritatively on many of these issues.”

    True.

  • mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    If it’s cool to post wild assumptions that cast Adam in a positive light, it’s also perfectly fine to do the opposite. Please don’t make assumptions about or criticize fellow posters.  

    Please remember, speculation is the name of the game here, respect your fellow commenters’ opinions.

  • Larc

    You bring up some great points.  Unlike some Idols that I won’t name, Adam is clearly not the type just to sit and passively wait to see what’s going to happen to him.  RCA doubtless has its agenda, but I think Adam and his management have theirs as well.  Who’s to say which may be at least one step ahead of the other.

  • sdmama

    Thanks, mj!  Without speculation and guessing game, it would be no fun to read the comment section.

    To take a tiny break from intense discussion, this was retweeted from Adam.
    Jonte’ Moaning ?@HelloJonte
    Photo: Who wore it best @johnnysanford @devinschmevin@adamlambert @hellojonte  ? #JOKING lol. Join the club…http://tmblr.co/Zi1Qrxbf6ISn 

    (Maybe he has no idea his fan base is spinning around on its tail.)

  • irockhard

    Well unless I missed something Adam executive produced his last recording and wrote or co-wrote 9 of the tracks I believe.

    Dunno what RCA meant by Adam being exectutive producer of TSP, they still hired songwriters and producers, paid for studio time, etc. Not to mention they didn’t even let him pick the singles so sounds like a meaningless title to me.

    What I was talking about is there are bands that can do it all: they write and produce their own music in their own studio. They don’t hire outsiders to do anything at all which means the label pays nothing.

  • jpfan2

    “Maybe he has no idea his fan base is spinning around on its tail”

    I kind of doubt that. Unless  he’s “too busy” to clarify the situation just like with the Idol judging gig. Because a simple tweet like “My 3rd album is with RCA” does take alof of time!  On the other hand there’s no reason to share private business dealings with his fans. So I think he’s smart to keep that info to himself.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    It’s not the same situation. Adam was in the process of interviewing for the judging gig. That position was up in the air. He’s been with RCA for three and a half years now and is currently in the beginning stages of working on his third studio album with them. He shouldn’t have to tweet something that should be assumed. It’s very possible that the contract at RCA was never a question. If it was or wasn’t, what would be the point of giving the impression that it was? Besides that, his publicist and others who would know, have already stated that he is still with RCA.

  • bridgette12

    Maybe all of those who are so “concerned” about whether his third album is with RCA, should tweet him and simply ask.

  • waitingforthe1

    Dunno what RCA meant by Adam being exectutive producer of TSP, they still hired songwriters and producers, paid for studio time, etc. Not to mention they didn’t even let him pick the singles so sounds like a meaningless title to me.

    Of course they hired songwriters to write songs with and for Adam.  As executive producer Adam got to decide who he worked with.

    Of course they hired producers for the songs, as executive producer Adam got to decide who those would be.

    The Executive producer isn’t financially responsible for paying for the studio time. 

    How do we know he didn’t have a hand in picking the singles?  Did RCA release a statement to that effect and if so can you post a link showing this statement? 

    As for EP being a meaningless title, well perhaps so, but it’s a meaningless title that no other AI alum has managed to get their label to bestow on them as far as I know. 

    What I was talking about is there are bands that can do it all: they write and produce their own music in their own studio. They don’t hire outsiders to do anything at all which means the label pays nothing.

    Not to point out the obvious, but Adam isn’t a band, he’s a solo artist and one that’s barely been in the recording industry for 4 years so I don’t see how anyone would expect him to be able established enough to write, produce and record his own music, in his “own” studio.  As for the bands that do that, I doubt highly any of them were doing that at the onset of their career and if they were they aren’t any bands we’ve probably heard of. 

  • fuzzywuzzy

    lol Adam’s already received a ton of tweets from fans to clarify this issue, so if he hasn’t responded by now, I don’t think that he will (not that I think that he should).

  • adamland1

    As for EP being a meaningless title, well perhaps so, but it’s a meaningless title that no other AI alum has managed to get their label to bestow on them as far as I know. 

  • bridgette12

    I don’t see tons of tweets on his twitter from fans needing clarification, I see a lot of tweets about his upcoming third album. The one he’s making with RCA.

  • adamland1

    “As for EP being a meaningless title, well perhaps so, but it’s a meaningless title that no other AI alum has managed to get their label to bestow on them as far as I know.  ”    

     Casey James was Executive Producer on his first album released last year.

  • lovetheusa1776

    Third album – great news.  Where in music will he go next – looking forward to it very much.

  • waitingforthe1

    Casey James was Executive Producer on his first album released last year.

    You’re incorrect :

    http://www.allmusic.com/album/casey-james-mw0002303703/credits

    He is listed as Producer, not Executive Producer

    Whereas Adam, on Trespassing is listed as Executive Producer

    http://www.allmusic.com/album/trespassing-mw0002289102/credits

  • windmills

    waitingforthe1: As for EP being a meaningless title, well perhaps so, but it’s a meaningless title that no other AI alum has managed to get their label to bestow on them as far as I know.

    Kelly Clarkson, My December: link

  • adamland1

    Sorry, CaseyJ  co-produced first album with Chris Lindsey.

  • everything

    Unlike some Idols that I won’t name, Adam is clearly not the type just to sit and passively wait to see what’s going to happen to him.

    Just because they aren’t sending out controversial tweets or having photo ops with Paris Hilton, it doesn’t mean that they are just waiting around passively. A couple of the guys that he competed with are on the verge of being first time parents. Lambert’s insatiable need to have the spotlight on him is his thing.

  • jpfan2

    oops. nvm

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Cool! I didn’t know that.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    On the verge? lol They just found out about being a parent. It’s months away. They aren’t having to ignore their career (not saying they are) for preparations for a child that is coming in six months.

    Adam sends out tweets like most people. Many are or could be considered to be controversial. For some reason, people care about Adam’s opinions on twitter more than opinions from some of the others. Adam was at Fashion Week. He is interested in fashion, why wouldn’t he participate and network in an area that might give him more opportunities down the line? He’s smart to continue to explore other areas of interests and for being open to new opportunities.

  • waitingforthe1

    Kelly Clarkson, My December: link

    Thanks Windmills, I said “as far as I know” because I wasn’t sure.   I try to never make absolute statements if I’m not 100% sure :)

    Interestingly enough My December is the album that Clive Davis hated and didn’t want Kelly to release so I wonder if she was named EP after he refused to put his name on the album? 

  • waitingforthe1

    Just because they aren’t sending out controversial tweets or having photo ops with Paris Hilton, doesn’t mean that they are just waiting around passively. A couple of the guys that he competed with are on the verge of being first time parents. Lambert’s insatiable need to have the spotlight on him is his thing.

    Adam is in demand.  If the media didn’t have an interest he wouldn’t get the opportunities he does.  I think it is the media’s interest in him that has kept him relevant for the last 2 years and probably what has kept RCA interested as well.   

    Adam is like every other pop star and/or celebrity who wants to have a long career.  He knows his job is to maintain a public profile in a world where people move on and forget as quickly as the toast pops up in the morning. 

    The public perception (outside the idol bubble) is that Adam is one of the most successful Idol alum the show has ever produced.  That is because he keeps himself busy and keeps people paying attention. 

    No one says “oh I wonder what happened to Adam Lambert”.  They know because at least once or twice a week someone is talking about him in some capacity.  Good, bad or in between Adam is a hot topic of conversation.   

  • waitingforthe1

    Shirley updated her article with a statement from a 19 Rep:

    UPDATED: A rep for 19 Entertainment tells THR, “It has been wonderful working with someone as talented as Adam over the years. Through the recording process, we have seen him grow into himself as an artist and we are proud of the success we’ve had together. We wish him luck in his future endeavors.”

    That sure doesn’t read like a statement made by a label that dropped him…but more like a label whose relationship with him simply came to an end and both are moving on with the future.

  • bridgette12

    I don’t know what direction he’s going to on his next album, but I do believe there’s going to be a lot of interest in it every step of the way.

  • seashellz51

    Well, as they say about publicity, the only bad publicity is your obituary. I think many idols would love to have a fraction of the press and publicity that he gets.  I believe Adam is gonna go in a rock direction when he answered a tweet about that with a *wink* but to what extent and how I have no clue. Super excited to see what he will do.

  • bridgette12

    Any direction he goes, I’m going alone for the ride. With him, you never know what’s going to happen next.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     But Shirley isn’t a real journalist. She’s a Glambert blinded by her love for Adam Lambert. She made it up and will compromise her whole career for him.
    Adam will be recording his next album in Sony’s bathroom and sweeping their floors for his next meal.

  • bridgette12

    LOL! That must be a lot of love she have for Adam Lambert to make up statements stating that a rep for 19 entertainment actually told her that.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

     

    justmefornow 9 hours ago in reply to Tess
    Isn’t Adam a little young yet to tour as a legacy act? 
    Unless he tours with the legacy act of Queen, but that’s not his original music, just basically karaoke with better staging.

    Clearly you were not at any of these concerts. There was no staging, there was nothing karoke about it, and it was the experience of a lifetime to get to experience this live. I am a massive Freddie fan and Adam at Hammersmith was his equal — different but just as good.I was lucky enough to see 3 of these concert and would fly to the ends of the earth for one more show. One of the best concerts.**The statement from 19 Entertainment is amazing and I never recall them doing something like this before. Seemed very human of them. I am impressed.**There are a few posters who seem to have been watching and waiting for Adam to be dropped by RCA for 3 years. I think you have a longer wait in store for you. Monday has ended, and no statement from a label rep that RCA dropped him. He still has a major label deal with RCA. But maybe tomorrow, there’s always tomorrow.

  • steph6449

    I’m not sure I follow how this relates to Adam’s career issues, but the “couple of guys” reference probably includes both Kris Allen and Danny Gokey. 

    Kris’s baby news is relatively recent but Danny’s baby is due anytime this month — which seems to me to fall comfortably within whatever numerical value of time constitutes “verge” :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    I wasn’t sure who the “other guy” was, as the comment was vague.
    Congrats to Danny! Do they know if they are having a boy or a girl?

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

    At RCA an Executive Producer is responsible for the business aspects of the recording project — Producers are responsible for the technical part of the music. Two very different things.

    Adam was also responsible for the branding, packaging, and image management. I love the album, but the Deluxe Album is a work of art. (A lot of credit goes to Adam’s friend Lee Cherry for the photography and design,)

    Adam managed the money on the album. He manages the money on his tour.

    He is so nice that I think people do not always notice what a sharp businessman he is. The only past Idol who was this smart about business was Taylor Hicks — who managed his finances brilliantly.

  • steph6449

    They’ve said it will be a boy, no hint of names yet. This will be the first child for both Danny and his bride.

  • steph6449

    They’ve said it will be a boy, no hint of names yet. This will be the first child for both Danny and his bride.

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

     Well sort of — on my copy of “My December” the credit is:

    Executive Producer

    Jeff Kwatinetz,
    Kelly Clarkson

    Same credit is on the album’s wiki page.

    That was part of a big skuffle: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278097,00.html

  • http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

     Well sort of — on my copy of “My December” the credit is:

    Executive Producer

    Jeff Kwatinetz,
    Kelly Clarkson

    Same credit is on the album’s wiki page.

    That was part of a big skuffle: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278097,00.html

  • everything

    My OP was in response to:

    Unlike some Idols that I won’t name, Adam is clearly not the type just to sit and passively wait to see what’s going to happen to him.

    My point was that others have things going on their lives that are equally important to them.   I’m sure Kris Allen and Danny Gokey are thrilled as parents-to-be.   On the flip side, I don’t think Allison Iraheta’s plan when Season 8 ended was to someday open up for Cassadee Pope.  But she’s doing her best.

  • waitingforthe1

     

    My point was that others have things going on their lives that are
    equally important to them.   I’m sure Kris Allen and Danny Gokey are
    thrilled as parents-to-be.   On the flip side, I don’t think Allison
    Iraheta’s plan when Season 8 ended was to someday open up for Cassadee
    Pope.  But she’s doing her best.

    but what does that have to do with Adam? 

    I’m sure Adam is happy to be in a loving and stable relationship with his live-in boyfriend Sauli.  I’m sure he’s happy to have great friends and a super supportive family.  Nothing in Adam’s personal life prevents him from working hard to establish himself as an artist in the entertainment industry and like it or not in today’s society it’s about more than just the music. 

    Adam has worked very hard over the last 8 months traveling around the world in order to establish himself on an international level.  It’s paying off. 

  • Axxxel

    I think you have just created a SNL-skit !! Adam singing and working on his laptop and inviting co-writers and producers in the Sony bathroom ! wonderful LOL !!

  • Axxxel

    I almost got a heartattack because I only read your first sentence LOL…I thought you were talking about Adam because we are on an Adam thread, but you were reacting to another posting.

    Ok so Danny is the happy future father.. good for him. I am not his fan but I like happy news…Hope the baby will give lots of inspiration for new songs !

  • blackberryharvest

    A lot of artists talk about working on their next album, then they are dropped. We will have to wait and see what happens.

  • steph6449

    lol :)  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

    That’s the way it works in the music business. One day your here the next your gone.  Most Idols have been gone after their second album and I won’t be surprise the same won’t happen again. It seems to be the pattern. Have a great debut, so so 2nd album and than your gone.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HWRPW434YQTROZ3J5E4BSLWEYM H.A.

     Outside Edge
    ?@OutsideEdgePR

    Adam Lambert – Defying All Expectations http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/music/features/Adam+Lambert-274658.html … via @FemaleFirst_UK

  • Karen C

    Most Idols have been gone after their second album and I won’t be surprise the same won’t happen again. It seems to be the pattern. Have a great debut, so so 2nd album and than your gone.

    Even though some are no longer on major labels, all of the winners and runners up and a lot of the other finalists are still in music.  Also, with the internet it is easier to keep track of artists, and for them to release music on their own.  So, none of them are gone, most are still around.  This happens to other artists as well not just idols.

  • tigervixxxen

    I wonder why Carrie and Kelly are still held hostage by their middleman (19)…

  • Nadine_Bitch

    Maybe they are still under contract? Possibly those earlier seasons have 10 years contract or more compare to the later seasons.

    ”UPDATED: A rep for 19 Entertainment tells THR, “It has been wonderful
    working with someone as talented as Adam over the years. Through the
    recording process, we have seen him grow into himself as an artist and
    we are proud of the success we’ve had together. We wish him luck in his
    future endeavors.”

    Nice that 19 issued a statement albeit unofficial one. I don’t think they bother releasing any comment before. This just means they parted in good term. And I don’t mean that they parted with some idols in bad terms. I just appreciate the good words:)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PVEFG2TOUIXSROKUSO2O2DOWWE Taylor

    Earlier seasons could have had different contracts. We know that the contracts as far as album advances and pay for the tour have changed over the years. Who knows what all has changed over the last 12 years.

  • springboard2

    Yes, and it is very possible that 19R has renegotiated the contract with Sony over the years.
    It is likely that Sony wasn’t keen on 19 taking a share of the profits for an extended period of time,  or that both parties knew that as soon as Simon Cowell would be able to launch the X Factor US, which is partly owned by Sony, the tie would have to be broken.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    nevermind (didn’t recognize the sarcasm at first lol )

  • http://twitter.com/TarheelShari Sharon S.

    It’s reviews that consistently read like this one from a Vietnamese newspaper that are undoubtedly one reason RCA is holding on to Adam…

    American singer Adam Lambert’s
    performance in the fifth Hennessy Artistry music festival on January 4
    bewitched the audience at Ho Chi Minh City’s Nguyen Du Sports Center.

    The nine songs performed by 30-year old
    Lambert, who was runner-up in season eight of the TV talent quest
    American Idol, concluded the invitation-only concert. The other acts
    were Portuguese soul singer Aurea and Korea’s Yoon-G.

    According to many who were there, Lambert ignited the audience like no act in Hennessy Artistry shows in previous years.

    http://www.thanhniennews.com/2010/pages/20130111-american-idol-star-wow-music-fest-in-hcmc.aspx
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/deavanryan Deavan Ebersole

    When signing with two labels, you sign a joint deal. To clear up your question about Adam being signed to Sony… Sony is a umbrella corporation which owns/overseas labels, such as RCA, EPIC & Columbia. So if an artist such as Jordin Sparks is signed to RCA, she is a part of the Sony Music Company. In other words, RCA is a subsidiary label of Sony. Some people sign with multiple labels for several reasons. Singer JoJo is signed with Blackground & Interscope.. But her interscope deal, is a distribution deal. Which means they are in charge of distributing her album and singles. While blackground takes care of everything else. After Idol, i’m not really sure what 19R does for the contestants when they sign major deals.. I do know they release the contestant singles while they are still on the show.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deavanryan Deavan Ebersole

    No, it’s two different contracts & two different labels.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kenneth.becker.75 Kenneth Becker

    Adam Lambert gives me the creeps.