Susan Boyle Set to Debut at #1, Adam Lambert at #2

Hits Daily Double is sticking by their earlier sales prediction for Adam Lambert and Susan Boyle.

Susan is going to be the big winner, coming in at #1 with 625-675K in sales.   Adam Lambert’s For Your Entertainment is set to come in second, with 210-230K

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Susan’s debut would be the year’s biggest debut, beating Eminem’s 608K for his Relapse album.

Lady Gaga’s seven-song Fame Monster EP will sell between 190-210k, putting her at #3. Her just-released two-disc Fame Monster deluxe edition should add another 130-150k to that album’s total.

Carrie Underwood is set to sell 100-120K this week.

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507 Comments

  1. Not a fan of Adam, but good for him. It’s nice to see that he will have anywhere from a pretty good first week to a really good first week, for album sales.

  2. Fingers crossed that sales for Adam meet expectations! :) Not a Sue B. fan, but good on her!

  3. Adam Lambert’s For Your Entertainment is set to come in second, with 210-310K

    210-310K seems like a big window. Is that normal as far as predictions go? I’m a huge Adam fan, but these numbers seem high to me. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  4. Is that correct 210K to 310K? That seems like a large spread but even it he goes the lower end, that’s great. I’m so happy for him! What a roller coaster ride.

    And one for the grassy knoll…SuBo and Adam. They both have their hands on their face on their album covers. And they are #1 and #2. Coincidence people? Or a subliminal message to consumers to purchase. :)

  5. I’ve learned my lesson on expectations. I’m not counting any #2 chickens before the REAL numbers come in. That range for Adam looks too wide to rule out shifts in the order by the time the weekend is over, it seems like they really don’t know where he’ll end up. However, I am cautiously optimistic.

  6. Really? I predicted about 350K for Adam on another site. It’s hard to believe that Adam will outsell Rhianna.

  7. 210-310K seems like a big window. Is that normal as far as predictions go. I’m a huge Adam fan, but these numbers seem high to me. I’ll believe it when I see it.

    The numbers I saw were 210-230, not 310, but that was what I remember seeing, I could be all wrong. HDD was off by 5000 last week for Kris, and as we know, 16000 last year for Archie, so yeah I’m with you, believe it when I see it. And plus, that’s some leeway there with the original numbers (whatever they might be).

    But it might be an okay debut even if it’s 210K-16K of about 190K. I’d be thrilled with that as well given Adam’s weakness in selling singles, his AMA crap and what Kris did.

    Oh and I continue to be flummoxed, but good for SuBo.

  8. I’m not counting any #2 chickens before the REAL numbers come in. Those ranges look to close to rule out shifts in the order by the time the weekend is over.

    I guess if Adam ends up #3 or even #4, I wouldn’t mind as long as he falls somewhere in the estimated sales.

  9. The prediction is as Star said 210-230 MJ mistyped the spread. HDD typically comes in high on it’s predictions for Idols. Adam will probably be closer to the bottom number.

  10. I am very happy for Adam on his sales because the album deserves to be heard. Apparently it is doing very well internationally also. I am almost happier for the overall great reviews because that is what will keep it selling after the first week drop. Serious music reviewers like Spin, Slant, and All Music have all weighed in with favorable reviews and this is exciting.

  11. FABULOUS for Adam – may it get better and better! The more I listen to his album, the more I love it. His voice shines through beautifully for me, and I can really get down to all the dance beats.
    Don’t like Susan Boyle’s type of singing at all, but good luck to her.

  12. Well, it seems like Adam will beat Lady GaGa, unless her predictions are on the very high end and Adam’s fall below 210K.

    I’m so happy for Adam! =D I was worried after FYE didn’t sell incredibly well as a single, but I’d hope that was because so many people were pre-ordering or planning on purchasing the album. I still wish his first single had been more successful, but if Adam sells 210K or more it’ll make up for it for sure. :)

    I feel horrible for Kris, though. =( Hopefully his album will pick up steam. I didn’t like it myself, but it’s better than some crap out there. Personally, I think he would’ve been better to go more of an acoustic route – songs in the style of “She Works Hard For the Money” and “Heartless” from Idol, just the way he performed them LIVE, not the sucky studio version. Crossing my fingers that his next album will be better, if 19E doesn’t drop him…

  13. I am completely incredulous about Susan Boyle’s number, just wow.
    Good to see that the prediction for Adam’s album seem to all go the same way. It will be a great starting point for him.

  14. Even if Adam debuts at the low end of the estimate (or even 10k-20k below the estimate) that is still a pretty terrific debut. For sure a top 5 debut, best AI runner up sales in years, 2 to almost 3 times the sales of the winner, the media is portraying the sales as good. Etc…..I am sure that both. Adam and. Rca will be pleased with those results. Good for him!

  15. Yay for Adam!

    Kudos to SuBo for raking in the sales…. I just wish the people who are buying her album would rally behind other professional singers like her (who are actually better singers) and buy theirs too. Her notoriety is not solely based on a good voice…. If she looked like Katherine M, I wonder if she would have still sold this many albums… just sayin….

  16. So SuBo is the new Clay Aiken. Second place is the new first place this year.

  17. I wonder what type of people bought Susan Boyle’s album. I;m really curious. That’s crazy!

    Good for Adam!! I’m surprised that he might be in front of Rihanna and Lady Gaga but I suppose that could change by the time the numbers come out officially. Even if he drops a little though those numbers are still good for him for his first week.

  18. Even if FYE comes in at the low end of the range it will be great. 2 1/2 times Kris’s sales? How can that not be seen as a good thing? Sorry for Kris, but at least he’s getting some radio play & I doubt he will be dropped by Jive.

    Susan? Perplexed. And I actually like the type of music she sings. It’s just that there are so many great singers out there doing this kind of stuff. And have been for many years. Nothing new. I’m sure her story is the real draw here. Understandably so. The way she was dismissed by the audience before she opened her mouth was terrible.

    Anyway – once again – happy for Adam!

  19. Come on, that is great news, not only for Adam’s fans, but for AI fans in general.

    Actually, I don’t think those sales numbers are so great even if they’re at the high end. For all the publicity he’s received on the internet, in magazines, at the AMA’s, etc., he should be well over the prediction.

  20. Good to see that the prediction for Adam’s album seem to all go the same way. It will be a great starting point for him.

    Yup! Its a really good starting point. He may be halfway to having a gold album already! Coming in #2 is nothing good for a 1st debut, and being that Susan Boyle is Britsh, technically Adam will be the top American next Wednesday! :)

  21. I am sure this has been asked before, but would someone please clarify for me….do these numbers just include hard copies of cd’s that are sold or do they also include itune downloads? Thanks!!

  22. 210-310K seems like a big window. Is that normal as far as predictions go? I’m a huge Adam fan, but these numbers seem high to me. I’ll believe it when I see it.

    Sorry, that was a typo. It’s 210-230

  23. I am gobsmacked by SuBo’s numbers. I’m happy for her, though I wonder if she can handle the success. The New York Post had pictures of her the other day breaking down after her (successful) Today Show appearance at Rock Center. She was crying, and sucking her thumb!

    I was a little freaked out to see the 210-310K range for AL. 210-230k makes more sense. Under the circumstances, that’s a very good debut for him. What’s happening with the single? Is WDYWFM getting more radio play than FYE at this point?

  24. edit: I already fixed the typo

    I guess the real test will be seeing how much the numbers drop off in the coming weeks — which of these albums will have legs

  25. I am gobsmacked by SuBo’s numbers. I’m happy for her, though I wonder if she can handle the success. The New York Post had pictures of her the other day breaking down after her (successful) Today Show appearance at Rock Center. She was crying, and sucking her thumb!

    I hope she has a good financial manager who helps her manage her money and that she has some financial security. I think she could do well with a Christmas album next year, but I don’t think she will see this kind of success again. I do think it will be too much for her if she is continually put in the spot light.

  26. Actually, I don’t think those sales numbers are so great even if they’re at the high end. For all the publicity he’s received on the internet, in magazines, at the AMA’s, etc., he should be well over the prediction.

    I agree, with all the publicity hes received he should be up there with Susan Boyles numbers or above her. I think the true story will come out with next weeks numbers, how drastically they drop, the first week is usually the idol fans buying, not a true showing of how popular an artist is or will be.

  27. Is WDYWFM getting more radio play than FYE at this point?

    I think it’s already off to a better start than FYE. Z100 is playing it regularly and it’s made their Top 9 @ 9 countdown the last couple of days. KIIS FM in L.A. added it to their playlist this week too, although I’m not sure how often they’ve been spinning it. Anyway, it’s definitely a positive to have those two stations on board with WWFM so quickly.

    Adam’s supposed to call in to Open House Party tonight too, so I’m sure they’ll play it again.

  28. I’m thrilled for Adam. This is one idol whom I really want to see be successful in the long run. I support his artistic vision of himself as an entertainer, his performances, and his beautiful voice. I know the AMA performance wasnt exactly the quality that he wanted, and of course, it offended some people. But I love his fierceness and courage to get up there and do his thing…he said he got competitive and wanted to show he belonged up there with those other performers. I hope he will be seen as such in the future.

    I think his CD is sensational, and I hope the music does not get lost in the hoopla. Foreign sales have looked really good, considering that there has been no promo for him in other countries. In my opinion he has handled everything really well this week. He sounds great live, and I think he will be very successful touring. I look forward to his evolution as an artist.

  29. I agree, with all the publicity hes received he should be up there with Susan Boyles numbers or above her.

    Lady gaga’s everywhere too and she’s not selling 600k either.

  30. Adam’s supposed to call in to Open House Party tonight too, so I’m sure they’ll play it again.

    Is it tonight?? I thought Adam was calling in tomorrow?

  31. How can that not be seen as a good thing?

    My guess is that the scorn is attached to the fact that SuBo is trouncing him. I don’t think anyone would even react if he was being crushed by GaGa or Rhianna who are established artists.

  32. Actually, I don’t think those sales numbers are so great even if they’re at the high end. For all the publicity he’s received on the internet, in magazines, at the AMA’s, etc., he should be well over the prediction.

    Then how come Rhianna, Lady Gaga, Leona Lewis, John Mayor, etc. hasn’t sold Susan Boyle type numbers? lol Susan boyle is going to have the #1 album for the entire year. The only person who came close was eminem. That means everyone else in music for 2009 was a failure?

  33. “My guess is that the scorn is attached to the fact that SuBo is trouncing him. I don’t think anyone would even react if he was being crushed by GaGa or Rhianna who are established artists.”

    If we’re using that logic then she’s also trouncing Gaga and Rhianna who are established artists. That should be more newsworthy than her beating Adam who is another reality show star. Plus, so far, Adam is selling the most albums in his first week than any other Season 8 contestant, unless Allison can outsell him this week, which we will soon find out.

  34. Lady Gaga’s seven-song Fame Monster EP will sell between 190-210k, putting her at #3. Her just-released two-disc Fame Monster deluxe edition should add another 130-150k to that album’s total.

    Why would artists sell 2 versions of a cd if the numbers are supposedly so important? So really she’s selling 320-360k. Doesn’t Adam have 2 versions as well? I honestly don’t know.

  35. he should be well over the prediction

    After the summer of hyperbole, I think the expectation was set for him to achieve Lil Wayne numbers, not Justin Bieber numbers….especially when it was on sale for $3.99.
    If there hadn’t been so much OVER. THE. TOP hype, everyone would be celebrating this as a big win.

  36. My guess is that the scorn is attached to the fact that SuBo is trouncing him. I don’t think anyone would even react if he was being crushed by GaGa or Rhianna who are established artists.

    If Adam was releasing a Subo type like album and was more safe or palatable Adam’s numbers would be different as in closer to SuBo. I’m glad he didn’t.

  37. My guess is that the scorn is attached to the fact that SuBo is trouncing him. I don’t think anyone would even react if he was being crushed by GaGa or Rhianna who are established artists.

    Well I don’t see scorn as much as whu?! and that’s not just from Adam fans, when BGT was going on and long before this became and issue, some people were still not getting the SuBo phenom. Eh, it happens. Some people loved her, which is also cool.

    And Adam getting trounced by SuBo doesn’t matter to me. I mean the woman is going to have the number one debut sales of the year, that means she trounces almost everyone. So eh there.

    Again I don’t think it’s just Adam fans or on behalf of him that people in general don’t get how SuBo is SO popular. I know I continue to be coufounded, but hey, it is what it is. I hope that she doesn’t crack under the pressure given her history and that story in the NY Post.

  38. If there hadn’t been so much OVER. THE. TOP hype, everyone would be celebrating this as a big win.

    The hype only exists in the AI bubble.

  39. If there hadn’t been so much OVER. THE. TOP hype, everyone would be celebrating this as a big win.

    Every article I’ve read is celebrating it as a big win. lol

  40. Why would artists sell 2 versions of a cd if the numbers are supposedly so important? So really she’s selling 320-360k. Doesn’t Adam have 2 versions as well? I honestly don’t know.

    I think you are confusing Itunes standard vs Deluxe albums with the fact that Lady Gaga has two physical CD’s out. Itunes uses the standard vs deluxe as a marketing tool. Hence Bonus tracks. You will not find two different cd in any physical store, (Target, Wal mart, Barnes and Nobel ect) for Adam but you will for Lady Gaga…Hope this helps you understand the situation better.

  41. If there hadn’t been so much OVER. THE. TOP hype, everyone would be celebrating this as a big win.

    The hype only exists in the AI bubble.

    Yup. right there!

  42. especially when it was on sale for $3.99.

    It was on sale at Amazon digital, which has an 8% share of the market and only for a short time. It went back up to full price, which is where it’s at now.

  43. Then how come Rhianna, Lady Gaga, Leona Lewis, John Mayor, etc. hasn’t sold Susan Boyle type numbers? lol Susan boyle is going to have the #1 album for the entire year. The only person who came close was eminem. That means everyone else in music for 2009 was a failure?

    The above performers didn’t just come off an across-the-country tour where thousands of people saw them perform. They weren’t on AI for the whole season where millions of people saw them. They haven’t receive anywhere near the publicity that Adam has, and IMO his sales are not that great.

  44. It was on sale at Amazon digital, which has an 8% share of the market and only for a short time. It went back up to full price, which is where it’s at now.

    Umm, it has 8% of the digital market right? Which is how many percent of the total market?

  45. I am gobsmacked by SuBo’s numbers. I’m happy for her, though I wonder if she can handle the success. The New York Post had pictures of her the other day breaking down after her (successful) Today Show appearance at Rock Center. She was crying, and sucking her thumb!

    SUCKING HER THUMB??? Really? I want to see a picture. I don’t believe it.

  46. especially when it was on sale for $3.99.

    Um again for 1 1/2 days it was at that price and only for the digital mp3 version. If you really think that 100,000 or so people bought that cd in that short of period of time and all digital…well that is an amazing feat in itself. Worthy of congratulations and respect.

  47. Actually, I don’t think those sales numbers are so great even if they’re at the high end. For all the publicity he’s received on the internet, in magazines, at the AMA’s, etc., he should be well over the prediction.

    I thought the consensus was that the AMA’s HURT his sales.

  48. great for Adam’s first week.

    as for Lady Gaga, well, her first album didnt have a fantastic 1st week either. but it surely have LONG legs(went 2x platinum). and 4 double platinum singles. and it looks like ‘Bad Romance’ is going to be her 5th. her videos are also selling very well.

    cant say that about SuBo.

    it looks Carrie’s 3rd album will be achieving a platinum status soon enough. great for her.

  49. Yay for Adam!!!!!!

    Hopefully he keeps on selling well in the weeks to come!!!

    Crossing my fingers!

  50. The above performers didn’t just come off an across-the-country tour where thousands of people saw them perform. They weren’t on AI for the whole season where millions of people saw them. They haven’t receive anywhere near the publicity that Adam has, and IMO his sales are not that great.

    Well technically neither did Adam as the tour ended in September and his Album did not drop until… oh that’s right this week. So not right after his tour….Don’t get me started about interviews that Rhianna has had, countless appearances by Gaga and Shakira. But as you said your opinion and I do respect it just don’t agree with it.

  51. I wish I had a count of all the posts this past week or two that were saying that Adam would be lucky to break 100K… Well he kicked a 100Ks butt. As for as his numbers dropping off next week…it is guaranteed. Look at John Mayers numbers who did over 300K first week, and second week were down at like 60K. This is a reality of the business, and not a reflection of whether Adam can sell. Of course his first week numbers are going to be much higher than the weeks to come, as it has been on presale for 2 months at a number of online outlets, and been presale on iTunes for 2 weeks. I choose to celebrate his numbers, as opposed to looking at why they weren’t even better. :)

  52. It was on sale at Amazon digital, which has an 8% share of the market and only for a short time. It went back up to full price, which is where it’s at now.

    Umm, it has 8% of the digital market right? Which is how many percent of the total market?

    Yes, that’s just the digital market, over that percentage of total music sold is much, much smaller.

  53. They both have their hands on their face on their album covers. And they are #1 and #2. Coincidence people? Or a subliminal message to consumers to purchase.

    Funny you mention this, as I’ve been wanting to says something similar (except omitting SuBo.) On iTunes “new and notable” or whatever, for a good while, Rihanna, GaGa, and Adam’s CD covers lined up in the top row. Rihanna covers one eye, GaGa covers her mouth, Adam covers one ear. And I couldn’t help thinking about the monkeys and See no Evil, Speak no Evil, Hear no Evil. :-)

    It really was an odd visual for awhile. May still be, I haven’t checked.

    OK, back to reading comments….

  54. My 17 yr. old granddaughter was here for Thanksgiving. She didn’t watch AI but was aware of Adam because I shared his performance videos from the AI website. She loved ROF and MW in particular.

    She did not watch the AMA’s and was upset with me for not reminding her they were on. I was just as glad she didn’t see the show. She was not aware Adam’s album had been released and was surprised to see my unopened copy from Amazon still sitting on my desk. She didn’t say anything particular about the picture.

    I already burned a cd from my Itunes download (couldn’t wait for Amazon), so I played it while we were making our Thanksgiving fixin’s. She was totally impressed with WDYWFM–especially after I told her Pink wrote it. I told her to see if she could figure out which song was from Lady Gaga. She has over 4,000 songs on her iPod but knew nothing about Adam’s album or collaborators.

    Bottom line–She loved the music and my Adam CD left with her when she went home, and now I’ve got to buy another one! I guess I’ll be contributing to the week 2 sales. I think the “word of mouth” advertising with the teens will help with sales down the road.

  55. I wonder what type of people bought Susan Boyle’s album. I;m really curious. That’s crazy!

    Among my acqaintance, people, especially women, from 18 to 80, and of all varieties, seem to be Susan Boyle fans. When you buy her album, you’re buying an emotional experience — something that whenever you hear it, it’ll call up what for many people was a transfixing moment, when they saw her sing I Dreamed a Dream and the Britain’s Got Talent producers edited the whole thing to read emotionally like the moment the Wart pulled the sword out of the stone. The underdog triumphs and magically turns into not just a princess but a queen, converting even the cold=eyed Simon Cowell in an instant, etc. etc. ….

    It’s like a credit-card commercial: Lady Gaga’s new cd, $9.99; tickets to a Rhianna concert, $120; Susan Boyle’s moment of empowerment, priceless.

  56. I guess I’ll be contributing to the week 2 sales. I think the ‘word of mouth’  advertising with the teens will help with sales down the road.

    He has a lot of potential singles on his album and a lot of music that propably will appeal to younger people. Did she like Fever?

  57. The above performers didn’t just come off an across-the-country tour where thousands of people saw them perform. They weren’t on AI for the whole season where millions of people saw them. They haven’t receive anywhere near the publicity that Adam has, and IMO his sales are not that great.

    Well, I guess Cook’s and Archie’s sales were not that great either.

  58. The above performers didn’t just come off an across-the-country tour where thousands of people saw them perform. They weren’t on AI for the whole season where millions of people saw them. They haven’t receive anywhere near the publicity that Adam has, and IMO his sales are not that great.

    True, the above performers (GaGa, Rihanna, Leona and John Mayer) didn’t just come off a 3 month tour singing covers of other people’s music to thousands of people. They’ve been too busy getting regular radio play for their original music which has impacted millions of listeners. Yeah, and John Mayer with his girlfriend dramas, Rihanna with the Chris Brown situation and Lady GaGa with her presence everywhere haven’t gotten anywhere near the publicity Adam has. *eye rolls*

  59. Yay for Adam!!! :D

    Debut at #2 is really good. Even if HDD overestimated AI sales, it’s very likely Adam will end up at least top 5, yes? Still good.

    imo, FYE is a well-done album. I hope more people will get to know it and through it to know Adam. I’m already looking forward to his next album.

  60. SuBo really is going to take over the world. Wasn’t Clay’s first album in the 600k’s too?

    But congrats to Adam! After reading so many posts saying he had ruined his career before it had even started… this is a nice, solid number that will hopefully prove otherwise.

  61. As disconcerting as it is to the FAR LEFT in this country and around the world, MOST people are conservative. According to Gallup (a liberal pollster), only 20% of Americans claim the ‘liberal’ mantle. 40% claim to be ‘conservative’.

    What’s the point? SuBo’s album is very family friendly, conservative, feel-good stuff. You have to admit, it’s a good (if not amazingly over-auto-tuned) album. Adam Lambert’s work, while outstanding, appeals to a smaller demographic.

    Let me conclude by saying that I myself am a conservative but LOVE Adam’s work on this album. I am a fiscal conservative and a social moderate so i don’t find Adam’s lifestyle choices troubling at all.

  62. Yes! This is good news to me….
    congrats to Adam and to Susan as well, the lady is a great singer and she was a world-wide phenomenon…like over 70 million ppl saw her audition on yt…I just didnt expect ppl to be that supportive of a contestant from a singing competition here in the US but if you get that amount of exposure I guess its bound to happen…just compare the number of views for that yt vid and the number of albums she is selling…she is selling a small fraction of that…
    As for Adam, Im thrilled he is up there outselling a bunch of established artists and its not because of the controversy I think its because ppl actually like the album (although I admit publicity helps ;))
    I just hope that he keeps selling in the weeks to come…
    they need to continue to promote the album…if he goes platinum its all good and we can expect a great tour and THAT will be truly awesome…he sounds better live than in the recordings at times…
    who does that now a days? Very few ppl in my book i think.
    Yes I am a bigger Adam fan and I wish he were number #1 but Im not gonna say Susan doesnt deserve her spot…she’s a type of performer we just dont see now a days..she and Adam are both rare exceptions

  63. Well, I’m proud to have contributed to Adam’s sales by pre-ordering from Amazon.
    It’s a bummer that I don’t have any other way to buy it since I live in Israel, and it hasn’t been released here (and itunes Israel is sadly nonexistent).
    I’m wondering if the international release with “Voodoo” in it will be eventually released here? It’s a bummer, really, because I wanted to buy some copies for my friends, and I know there’s a lot of interest in him here, but there’s just no way to buy the album (unless you’re a fanatic like myself who’s willing to invest money in shipping it all the way here from the U.S., lol).

  64. I hope Susan Boyle sends a big thank you note to Meredith Vieira and The Today Show. They really promoted her in the US from the very beginning, with meredith going to england to interview her, to coving her run on BGT to inviting her to perform etc.

  65. I am glad for SuBo this is really her only shot – she will not have sales like this again and they will fall off quickly.

    I am also glad Adam looks to have good numbers as opposed to OTT numbers like SuBo. I think it lends itself to more credible sales numbers and hopefully he will continue to have good sales through word of mouth and continued press roll out.
    I predict each time he is on a new talk show (Ellen) or at an Event (New Years) he will have mini boosts, which is the typical sales life on a CD. We all know it’s good music when people hear it they will buy it., even if after Christmas and people start using their gift cards.

    Overall I am waiting for long term (6 months) and tour info. Adam is going to have huge sales with concert profits and merchandise.

    Congrats to both.

    MJ or Kristin is there any way to get WORLDWIDE sales on both Adam and SuBo? It would be interesting to see how they are selling in total.

  66. im not surprised at SuBo’s numbers. i think it should be higher. she is selling a ‘dream’ after all.

    the others have time and appearance on their side. she doesnt. this might be it for her. for it seems that her ‘dream’ might be too much for her.

    i didnt buy her album, but i am very happy for her. i find this negativity towards her desturbing, and just because she sold alot more albums on its 1st week.

  67. The Susan Boyle sucking her thumb picture was blocked to me because it contained “adult content”! lol

  68. I’m really starting to believe that no matter what Adam sold this week, people are still going to be negative about his sales. First some were saying he wouldn’t sell more than Kris, then some were saying the AMA performance would ruin his sales, and now when he does a pretty good job, there is still backlash. I for one am so proud of him and if his record sales slip over the next few weeks, then he will join the group of artists, which seems to be ALL of them.

  69. I hope that Adam’s numbers meet or possibly beat the predictions, but I won’t count on them until I see them. HDD has been known to be wrong before (as recently as last week). I want Adam to be a huge success.

    I really do not understand all the dismissing of Adam’s projections as underperforming however. Those are only slightly below what I remember the winner of the show got last year, at a time when folks were not feeling the effects of the depression quite so harshly and the recording industry as a whole was doing better.

    Adam’s talent and performance style have gotten him a lot of media attention yes, but the reality is he is facing huge obstacles in reaching out to music listeners outside the bubble. His performance at the AMA’s is off-putting to some, to be sure, but that is only a part of it. Adam is cutting a new trail as the media trails along. Not only has he unquestionably announced his sexuality (a first) before he starts his career, he is also trying to perform a genre of music ( glam rock) that hasn’t been widely popular for a male performer in a couple of decades (if at all). His lifestyle and personna are things people are probably going to have to accept to a degree before they are willing to listen to his CD or watch him on TV.

    In his songs and performances Adam is asking folks to be open-minded and/or willing to change the way they listen to music or view performances. And change isn’t something that comes easy to most people, let alone an industry.

    200K or better for Adam is a great thing indeed. I hope its only the first week of sales in a long, long career!

  70. I’m not interested in the Susan Boyle CD, but I am very happy for her. Funny thing though, I have yet to read a really good review (two I read only gave it 1 1/2 stars). How do things work at GRAMMY time? Should we be expecting her album to run away with things, even if it is all covers?

  71. Congratulations to Susan Boyle. You would expect high numbers when you think of how many hits her youtube video got.

    Good for Adam. I’m surprised at how high his numbers turned out considering all the negativity he received thoughout his idol run, and moreso after his AMA performance. Also despite his very low radio spins and some stations boycotting him. Adam’s live TV performances (Early Show and Letterman) have been very-well received, so I believe he will continue to sell well. His performances have been impeccable.

  72. Ellessay – I had a simiilar experience with my two daughters. My older girl was home from college and the younger one (17) had heard the album with me and said I was really “getting her into this guy”. I played the CD while we were cooking and they both just loved it and uploaded the CD to their iTunes. The album definately appeals to all ages, that’s for sure.

  73. Yes, it’s hard to know how accurate these predictions are. Looking back at last week’s predictions where second to fifth place were all expected to sell around 150k, HDD got the sales figures about right but the rankings wrong. Andrea Bocelli was expected to place fifth and he came in second, with everybody else moved down a ranking.

    Actually, numbers-wise everybody in the top 10 outperformed predictions except Kris Allen who underperformed after his numbers were revised up. Andrea Bocelli overperformed substantially.

    Adam’s got a higher sales ranking at Amazon, but Lady Gaga and Rihanna have higher sales rankings at iTunes. So rankings wise, the second place being predicted for Adam might not be as sure a thing as his sales figures. However the sales figures look pretty solid given that we’re in a recession.

  74. is there any way to get WORLDWIDE sales on both Adam and SuBo?

    This is where Adam will shine over all the previous idols…the guy is going to have big numbers worldwide. Already charting in alot of countries on iTunes. It may be quit awhile before we see his worldwide numbers, as I would imagine that RCA would have to release those numbers, since there isn’t a world sales album chart. I think if you look at it all a year from now, Adam will have had at least 1-2million in sales just outside the US. This number could be higher if he does an extensive tour of European and Asian countries.

  75. I have no interest in Susan Boyle, but good for her. I’m very happy for Adam!

  76. Good for Adam!

    One little viniette in the SuBo question:

    I was in B&N yesterday picking up a b-day present for my sister (derek trucks, in case anyone cares) and overheard the clerk advising a customer who was looking for a recommendation for an xmas present. Says clerk, pointing to Boyle’s album: “she might like this one – we sold 30 in under 10 hours when we first put it out”.

    Now, I couldn’t judge for myself if that’s fast, but given the way he said it, I guess it is. Her story + her publicity + the timing + the quality (? don’t know, haven’t listened, but presumably OK ?). And, it seems a good stocking stuffer type gift for all sorts of misc. relatives, kind of like getting a Christmas album.

    And idol related: I was happy to see both Adam’s and Kris’ albums right up front along with all the other recent releases. That has not always been the case at that B&N. Sometimes, idol releases are relegated to an out-of-the-way place for some TV/teen oriented special interest category.

  77. How serious is the radio boycotting of Adam? Are we talking about just a few stations, or is it more? I had heard about KISS in Boston.

  78. They haven’t receive anywhere near the publicity that Adam has, and IMO his sales are not that great.

    What? You do realize how low everyone is this year – compared to previous years. I’m more than happy for Adam considering the music climate right now, plus the strong competition from veterans.

    I must admit I’m VERY surprised Adam is doing so well this week. This is a tough tough week, and I predicted he would be easily beat by SuBo, Rhianna, Gaga, and some others. So this is just awesome!

    As for SuBo – well, I still stand by that the clock is ticking for her 15 minutes of fame. I’m sorry, but that lady does not impress me, and once the hype and “inspirational story” dies down, I don’t expect much more in the future. I saw her perform on DWTS recently, and dear god that woman can’t even phrase I Dreamed a Dream properly. As one review said, there are a 1000 musical theater performers in the country who can do better than her. Sorry, end of rant.

    But I do find it amusing that she is 1 and Adam may be 2 – they couldn’t be more different, and that is quite a feat for Adam considering how polarizing he is (especially recently) and how sacchriney safe she is.

  79. The hype only exists in the AI bubble.

    I disagree. But I also think inescapable hype is needed to sell big numbers in this market especially if you’re primarily a pop star like Adam is. I don’t blame Adam’s marketing team for using the intense media interest in him because it’s how you get people to notice. It’s just the AMA performance was an example where hype took precedence and resulted in a bad performance. It probably hurt him a little but not among his core fans. Congratulations to Adam on a good 1st week!

    Susan Boyle’s numbers blow me away because they did it without much hype, just a little bit of TV to promote the album release. It’s a marketer’s dream – just that one youtube video a few months ago was all it took. Also I think it’s pretty funny that she’s blowing everybody’s numbers away in a week where so many of the edgy hyped up pop people were releasing. Score one for the frumpy. LOL.

    The prediction for Carrie is looking good too and I hope it holds up! HDD has overestimated her weekends every week so far though so I’m guessing she’ll be on the lower end if not just below the 100-120k prediction.

  80. Truthiness
    11/28/2009 at 1:04 pm

    especially when it was on sale for $3.99.

    It was on sale at Amazon digital, which has an 8% share of the market and only for a short time. It went back up to full price, which is where it’s at now.

    It was on a $3.99 special for 2 days. Amazon has 9% of the digital music market, which is 35% of the total music market, giving Amazon MP3 a 3.15% share of the US music market.

    9% x 35% = 3.15% market share

    Also, I cannot find any exception in the SoundScan rules that allow digital album sold for less than 50% of retail price count on the Billboard chart. If anyone is aware of this special digital rule, please let me know. Otherwise, I believe that the mail order/internet retailer rules apply to both CDs and Digital Albums on the Billboard 200. So the $3.99 FYE sales will not count for Billboard, but will count as sales. If there is no 50% of MSRP requirement for digital tracks, what is the rule? Do the Amazon $0.99 digital album sales also count?

  81. True, the above performers (GaGa, Rihanna, Leona and John Mayer) didn’t just come off a 3 month tour singing covers of other people’s music to thousands of people. They’ve been too busy getting regular radio play for their original music which has impacted millions of listeners. Yeah, and John Mayer with his girlfriend dramas, Rihanna with the Chris Brown situation and Lady GaGa with her presence everywhere haven’t gotten anywhere near the publicity Adam has. *eye rolls*

    Exactly! Adam may have just come off AI last season, but I guarantee people know more about Gaga, Rhianna, etc than him, at least at this point. They are all veteran successes compared to him. He’s still a newbie, so these numbers are great!

  82. Hope this hasn’t been posted already but here you can see worldwide album sales’ estimations for Kris last week (and Adam next week). SuBo should be well over a million sales!!

    http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums.htm

    I don’t totally understand this chart…if it is a worldwide sales chart, why is it only showing sales for Kris in the US…it says he sold 81K which was actually 80K, so does that mean he only sold 1000 outside the US?

  83. How serious is the radio boycotting of Adam? Are we talking about just a few stations, or is it more? I had heard about KISS in Boston.

    A RADIO station is boycotting Adam? Why?

  84. I don’t totally understand this chart’ ¦if it is a worldwide sales chart, why is it only showing sales for Kris in the US’ ¦it says he sold 81K which was actually 80K, so does that mean he only sold 1000 outside the US? Maybe I am just slow.

    Yeah, I don’t understand either – but I must say, on this subject, I’m very very interested in seeing the global numbers for Adam next week. Will those figures be posted anywhere?

  85. Thats a great solid start for Adam but, after that? He doesnt have a song being played on radios so how is he going to maintain sales? Hopefully, the drop off isnt that huge.

  86. Adam’s numbers have to be a disappointment to RCA after all they’ve put into him and all the hype about the ‘biggest pre-orders ever!!’.

    But they have only themselves to blame – they should have got Adam a hit single at radio. The controversy was the next best thing but it’s a distant second because it won’t last for next week and all the weeks to come.

    RCA really blew this IMO.

  87. I’m pretty sure in 10 years when people look back at Album sales and album rankings for this week there will be an asteric next to Susan Boyles name with an explanation who she “was”.

    By the way….what has happened to Paul Potts and is he still selling like crazy?

  88. MEDIABASE TOP 40
    FYE #68
    WWFM #74
    Mediabase electronically monitors airplay on more than 1700 radio stations 24/7.

  89. I dont think Adam will have a lot of international sales this week. Yes he charted on several international itunes but itunes have a very small market share in a lot of countries.

  90. I’m really starting to believe that no matter what Adam sold this week, people are still going to be negative about his sales.

    Some people will be negative about his sales, but the wide majority will be happy for him. there’s always a few negative people in the bunch. Remember, a month ago some comments were saying Adam would be lucky if he sold 50,000 his first week, so of course we have to turn it around that Adam is still a failure for not selling 500,000. lol It doesn’t matter though. If Adam beats out current pop stars like rhianna and lady gaga its all good. You couldn’t ask for anything more. Debuting at #2 for a first album is a dream come true! He might be halfway to having a gold album already!

  91. Adam’s numbers have to be a disappointment to RCA after all they’ve put into him and all the hype about the ‘biggest pre-orders ever!!’.

    Does it really say that on the banners advertising his album. Guess I’ll have to go back and look ’cause I can’t remember that being part of the ad campaign. Please help me out here.

  92. Thats a great solid start for Adam but, after that? He doesnt have a song being played on radios so how is he going to maintain sales? Hopefully, the drop off isnt that huge.

    This is also a worry of mine. I don’t want the TfM single situation to re-occcur. I hope that Adam does a ton of appearances, radio and TV and kills it when appearing, and that hopefully the radio spins increase, though with the holiday freeze…worrisome. Maybe start pushing that MV. They spent money on it, so why not sell it/promote it, whatever. Something to get some legs to the CD.

  93. Thats a great solid start for Adam but, after that? He doesnt have a song being played on radios so how is he going to maintain sales? Hopefully, the drop off isnt that huge.

    My understanding is that the average drop off after week 1 for all artists ranges from 40 to 60% so it’ll surely drop off. As long as it keeps selling though and gets closer to the gold and platinum mark!

  94. He has a lot of potential singles on his album and a lot of music that propably will appeal to younger people. Did she like Fever?

    She loved all the songs. I don’t think she mentioned any specific song as being a favorite, although she really seemed to like the Pink song. I told her she wasn’t going to get the bonus tracks on the Amazon album, but she didn’t seem to mind. I thought she might like Master Plan judging from the comments here, but she didn’t mention it. She just said that she would buy the singles on iTunes if she didn’t have them on the CD.

    I forgot to mention that my granddaughter said she was surprised I bought the album because Adam was gay. (She knows I’m a Christian and very conservative). But I told her that had nothing to do with the music. I liked Elton John, George Michael, Boy George, and others. I can think he’s sexy with no illusions that he’s going to be attracted to this 55 year old grandmother (not that I wouldn’t go out drinking with him–just in case–LOL!).

  95. saga
    11/28/2009 at 2:06 pm
    I dont think Adam will have a lot of international sales this week. Yes he charted on several international itunes but itunes have a very small market share in a lot of countries.

    I agree! Like I posted earlier- there’s no way to buy his album in my country, until it’s physically released here (if it is released, that is, hopefully that will happen within the next few weeks…big fail for 19/RCA if it doesn’t, grumble…)

  96. WOW amazing considering that Adam is not a massive appeal artist and deffinitnely is not focus on become one.. He is an artist only for the people that gets him.

    I see there are more people that gets him than what I thought (by the way I’m one of them )

    I’m very happy for him(and for me), also I’m very happy for Susan Boyle is like the Cinderella story I bought the CD as a Christmas present to my mother.

  97. all the hype about the ‘biggest pre-orders ever!!’.

    Does it really say that on the banners advertising his album. Guess I’ll have to go back and look ’cause I can’t remember that being part of the ad campaign. Please help me out here.

    Amazon had a press release about how Susan Boyle had the most pre-orders at Amazon ever. Supposedly in EW Adam has the most of an AIer, no press release from RCA or Amazon about that, that I recall.

  98. Adam’s numbers have to be a disappointment to RCA after all they’ve put into him and all the hype about the ‘biggest pre-orders ever!!’.

    LOL It was EW that said Adam had the biggest pre-orders of IDOLS ever on Amazon. Thats a huge difference from RCA printing it in press releases and banners. Adam might sell almost as much as Cook did last year with his debut so obviously Adam had some big pre-orders. They always help!

  99. I hope that Adam does a ton of appearances, radio and TV and kills it when appearing, and that hopefully the radio spins increase, though with the holiday freeze’ ¦worrisome.

    He has been doing A LOT of radio promo this week though. We’ll see if he can manage to get one of the singles charting. I must say I am most worried about radio, not because of the quality of his music, but because of other things.

  100. I’m thrilled with Adam’s numbers. I’m pretty thrilled with everything he has done. I’ve listened to my itunes album 3 times in a row. Now I must go and get some house work done.

    I have to say, no matter what the numbers are… Adam put out a spectacular first album, inspiring and fun. He should be very proud!!! What a class act!!!

  101. I am skeptical that Adam will hit #2 — I think that at least GaGa will pass him because she has been charting ahead of Adam all week online and the StreetPulse report released today have GaGa slightly ahead of Adam. The real wildcards in all of this is how big was Adam’s preorder and how much has been sold on AO.com. If he has significant numbers from the preorder and on AO.com, he might grab #2. But I still think he could be anywhere from #2 to #5 on Billboard.

    Why would artists sell 2 versions of a cd if the numbers are supposedly so important? So really she’s selling 320-360k. Doesn’t Adam have 2 versions as well? I honestly don’t know.

    GaGa has three releases now designed to maximize sales revenue:

    The Fame — her album from 2008 $9.99
    The new EP “Monster Fame” — 8 new songs $7.99
    And the EP + The Fame “Monster Fame Deluxe” $13.99

    As fourth version releases 12/15/09: The Fame Monster by Lady Gaga (Audio CD – 2009) – Limited Edition [$76 ]

    So if you already own The Fame, you can buy the EP. If you don’t own The Fame you can buy the Deluxe or The Fame.

    They set it up so that the EP + Monster Fame Deluxe will chart together. The Fame will chart separately.

    For Adam — all 5 versions of the US album will chart combined:
    – Basic 14 track album
    – iTunes album
    – iTunes deluxe album
    – AO Collectors Edition

  102. Adam’s numbers have to be a disappointment to RCA after all they’ve put into him and all the hype about the ‘biggest pre-orders ever!!’.

    The Billboard article with the 225k sales prediction from earlier this week said his sales were surpassing expectations.

    WWFM is off to a good start at radio. Hopefully that trend will continue.

  103. Adam’s numbers have to be a disappointment to RCA after all they’ve put into him and all the hype about the ‘biggest pre-orders ever!!’.

    Does it really say that on the banners advertising his album. Guess I’ll have to go back and look ’cause I can’t remember that being part of the ad campaign. Please help me out here.

    lol, Tess. Love the snark.

  104. Lady Gaga’s numbers are confusing because…. there are 2 different packages. The Fame Monster EP is an ALL NEW EP/CD of 7 or 8 songs. That counts for itself. The Fame Monster Deluxe Edition is her CD “The Fame’ with the new songs from the EP added, and by the rules, those count as a re-release of the other CD.

    I have both Susan Boyle’s and Adam’s CD and I think they are both awesome for what they are. I don’t see how people don’t get SuBo’s appeal. Her voice is pristine and carries a magical quality that just draws people in. This first CD may draw a huge market from her Youtube fame, but the woman is an amazing singer, and an amazing story. You DO need both to make it in the business! (And SuBo isn’t the kind of music I listen to AT ALL, but it is a very pleasant CD).

    The thumbsucking story was mostly created from a joke she was doing when a bunch of fans gave her a gift, she was telling them about baby steps and made the thumbsucking thing, so that’s the picture that was used. It appears she is fine.

    I had a long drive yesterday and I listened to Adam’s album twice, and I think it is fantastic. I sort of wish he went with Music Again for the AMAs, instead of trying to titillate. Like he said, I mostly just wish his vocals were better that day. If the label can get radio to play WYWFM, I think it will be a big hit. The one negative I can see about his AMA performance is that I know many parents who will now not let their kids see him in concert (and I mean teenage kids, like 15-17 yr olds). He may be all “that’s who I am”, but why start off pushing it so far that you drive away a big market? He’s EDGY without having to have a blowjob on stage. The rest of the CD is NOT that.

    Now I’m listening to the stream of Allison’s CD and I CAN’T WAIT TO HAVE IT ON MY IPOD!!

  105. Regarding the chart I posted. Has Kris been released already to worldwide markets? All the major markets contribute numbers to this eg Soundscan and the British Chart Company or whatever it’s called. The estimation comes in for smaller markets where figures are difficult to get or not recorded. There is a bit at the side about methods and linked below.

    http://www.mediatraffic.de/about-us.htm

  106. I sort of wish he went with Music Again for the AMAs, instead of trying to titillate.

    You know, I understand what Adam was thinking, but after seeing him do Music Again at CBS I kind of agree. That was one awesome performance, so much joy and attitude. Betterer? Could it be better?

  107. I had forgotten about the AO numbers—which is actually where I bought the album, lol. HDD takes these into account, right? I have no idea how many CDs this would mean.

  108. You will not find two different cd in any physical store, (Target, Wal mart, Barnes and Nobel ect) for Adam but you will for Lady Gaga’ ¦Hope this helps you understand the situation better.

    OK. So Adam’s numbers are really what they are. I thought maybe there were some split numbers like Gaga’s. But I suppose I should have known that y’all would have already mentioned it in posts if it would make Adam look even better. :)

    Congrats to Adam.

    ETA: Thanks Q3 too. :)

  109. However one feels about Adam Lambert, I don’t see how anybody could argue that those aren’t great numbers considering the economy and his singles’ sales. It will be interesting to see if Susan Boyle and he both take the typical 60% hit in second week sales or if they buck that trend (or alternatively take bigger hits).

  110. Finally got my preorderd CD from Amazon!

    Dang he sounds so fricken good on a stereo!

    This is a fantastic CD. I am still not worried about Adam or his long term career. You cannot make good music like that and not get noticed. It may not all happen in one week but it will happen.

    Congratulations Adam for a job more than well done. I wish you platinum!

  111. It will be interesting to see if Susan Boyle and he both take the typical 60% hit in second week sales or if they buck that trend (or alternatively take bigger hits).

    I don’t think SuBo will, I think Adam will and maybe even a bigger one than normal. But SuBo will have, I think, a lot of pre-xmas sales. Less next week than rising again, but I think she’s poised as the ultimate stocking stuffer. Which pffft.

  112. I think SuBo’s voice is good, but not amazing. Her audition was awesome because her voice was such a surprise. But as a singer she’s not amazing enough to have generated this avalanche of sales. A lot of her sales must be based on backstory. I haven’t bought it yet, and I doubt that I will.

    Still, I’m glad for her. Even if she never has another blockbuster album, she’ll have a career and since the thumbsucking incident seems to have been a joke rather than a meltdown (I had just read the Post, which played it as a meltdown), she should be able to tour.

    I’m very pleased with Adam’s sales estimates, especially given FYE’s weak radio play. Tell me again why this was the first single? Was it just released so that he could perform it on the AMAs, with WDYWFM intended as the “real” single? Muy confusing strategy for a rollout.

  113. A few random comments that relate to Adam’s sales…

    1. I bought a CD at Target yesterday. SuBo was on the bottom shelf, but had noticeably fewer copies left. Adam had few copies than Gaga, but I guess you can’t really draw conclusions from any of that. They restock when they need to, I would imagine.

    2. My husband is a rock fan. He enjoys AI and went with me to the concert (first time ever). He agrees that Adam is more talented than the VAST majority of artists currently out there. He liked the FYE video, but said it’s not his kind of music. BUT… what I found interesting is that when we watched Letterman with friends on T’giving, both guys (hubbie in 40s, male friend in 50s) said they much prefer WYWFM. I guess it has a rock-ish element to it, but I would’ve classified it as pop.

    3. I’m bemused by the popularity of SuBo. I saw her audition on YT, went “awwww” like most others, but I would never, ever, buy her CD. I like that kind of music in the right place and the right time. But her voice leaves me cold. That said… I’m happy for her. I don’t know if she’ll have staying power, but she must be overjoyed with the response to her singing. Go girl.

    4. I KNEW Adam would deliver. AM’s bad vocal aside, he’s a phenomenal talent. His sales will never satisfy everyone, but as someone said up-thread, anything over $200k in this economy, is awesome. Well done, dude!

  114. I don’t think SuBo will, I think Adam will and maybe even a bigger one than normal.

    Why wouldn’t SuBo have the usual drop-off-precipice album sales her second week? I wouldn’t think she could possibly be introduced to any new audiences after the YouTube viral or sustained by radio play.
    Sadly, I agree with you that Adam may have a big drop between the post-Black Friday and usual second-week dropoffs.

  115. Adam’s numbers have to be a disappointment to RCA after all they’ve put into him and all the hype about the ‘biggest pre-orders ever!!’.

    Huh? I think RCA is probably thrilled with Adam’s numbers…

  116. but I think she’s poised as the ultimate stocking stuffer.

    Well, I’ve decided instead of killing the person who thinks a SuBo CD is appropriate for me, I will just trade it in for a CD from someone who is relative to today’s music. Hah…I wonder if there are enough of “Me” out there if SuBo could go in the hole for the week after Christmas.

    [shakes head] Nah. Why waste the gas, just throw it out with the used wrapping paper.

    And less I be seen as Scrooge, this Christmas, I have nothing against Miss Boyle…I do wish her health, wealth, and happiness. I just hate that Simon and Co. are selling “altruism on a CD” this Christmas and getting away with it. Now if the powers that be were donating a buck off every CD to go to the humane society…I’d probably purchase one then. I always need a coaster, or an ice cream cone holder.

  117. Tess, I love your posts and agree with everything you say. I was wondering though…how does one use the CD as an ice cream cone holder?

  118. you know what would be awesome?
    A duet b/t Adam and Susan! LOL
    I think it would knock ppls socks off..
    they are both great singers…Susan loves singing musical theater songs and Adam has done a lot of theater…
    and they are spectacular singers..it would be something unpexpected for sure…
    who’s with me? LOL

  119. I second Tess’s question. Where is Mr. Potts today? Has his fairytale story sustained him in the music business? I seriously don’t know. That is a better comparison for Subo. One fairytale against another. Although Mr. Potts had more vocal training I read, decreasing his appeal as a ugly toad turned prince. He also hasn’t been in and out of a mental facility. He hasn’t been photographed sucking his thumb.

    I think I’ll try to research Mr. Potts. I am curious now.

  120. I’m looking forward to seeing if Adam gets a bump in sales from the Ellen show. Is he going to sing AND be interviewed? They will get along famously. I bet Ellen brings up the whole tongue thing….she’s so funny about it. I am also sure she will bring up the AMA’s but it will have a funny light-hearted slant I am sure that will make everyone think…what’s the fuss about? AND I am sure they will dance together!

  121. Oh yee of little faith…I predicted awhile ago that Adam’s sales would be really, really good. He’s seeped into the American consciousness much more than he was given credit for, via AI, Rolling Stone, and even Perez Hilton. This was a superstar rollout and got a superstar response. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see he exceeds HDD’s prediction by a few thousand units. Susan Boyle won the overall battle this week but Adam will prove to have staying power. I don’t like the guy much anymore (he’s totally up his own ass to the point of suffocation) but his music is very good and much more mainstream than people, including Adam, want to admit.

  122. I’m not a fan of Susan Boyle myself (although I loved her audition on BGT), but I don’t get why people are dismissing her phenomenal sales as “altruism on a CD.” A lot of people simply like that kind of music and love her voice.

    And, really, for any of us who are fans of past Idol contestants, keep in mind that their glass houses are no more immune to stones than Susan Boyle’s. They all got their big breaks on reality shows. I really don’t think you can attribute SuBo’s impressive numbers to “pity purchases.” Sorry. If that were the case, then I would predict that Danny Gokey’s new album sells more than Adam’s, and that’s not gonna happen.

  123. I’m looking forward to seeing if Adam gets a bump in sales from the Ellen show. Is he going to sing AND be interviewed? They will get along famously. I bet Ellen brings up the whole tongue thing’ ¦.she’s so funny about it. I am also sure she will bring up the AMA’s but it will have a funny light-hearted slant I am sure that will make everyone think’ ¦what’s the fuss about. AND I am sure they will dance together!

    According to her website, there will be an interview. I am hoping for two songs and really hoping that one of them is FYE, so the masses can see it done well! But, she’s an afternoon show, so probably not.

  124. I think part of Susan Boyle’s success is that she is completely inoffensive and safe–in other words, you can buy her album for anyone. It is a relatively easy gift, I would guess. Also, her face/voice has been everywhere. I would bet that everyone can recognize her face and name.

  125. adamisthemanfan
    11/28/2009 at 2:55 pm
    you know what would be awesome?
    A duet b/t Adam and Susan! LOL
    I think it would knock ppls socks off..
    they are both great singers’ ¦Susan loves singing musical theater songs and Adam has done a lot of theater’ ¦
    and they are spectacular singers..it would be something unpexpected for sure’ ¦
    who’s with me? LOL

    HA! That’ll be the day! I wouldn’t minding watching it, although I doubt Adam will be singing showtunes out of his own free will any time soon…
    On the other hand, he’s got that performance with Noa Dori in that Steven Speilberg event coming up… I’m kind of curious to see what he does there, because if it’s anything like the youtube vids, then it’s gonna be gospel-y… you never know what to expect with Adam Lambert!

  126. Congrats to Carrie for those great 4th week numbers! That should put her over 650,000! I think my predictions about her going platinum by the new year look good so far!!

  127. Tara, Paul Potts has actually done rather well in his genre. He has toured all over the world, I even remember tickets going on sale for his shows in NYC, I think at the Beacon? I think for opera, he has a following, and made himself some money (Wikipedia puts his worth at 5 million pounds, which is more than $5million, so he doesn’t need to sell cell phones anymore LOL). I think it’s easy to get caught up in what fame and success can mean, and how it ebbs and flows. I remember a quote from Elton John about how most successful artists have a 5-year period that eclipses all else and sustains them. I can think of a few Idols that fall into that category, they’ll always have careers, but probably not what they had, but they’ll still always have that success. And not re-achieving that level doesn’t make them a failure in any way.

  128. The ice cream cones with the points….too, small huh….OK, I’ll think of another use.

  129. gangreen29
    11/28/2009 at 3:05 pm
    Congrats to Carrie for those great 4th week numbers!

    My congratulations, too. I’m not the world’s best Carrie fan, but anyone who can sell like she has this year deserves a big pat on the back. She’s worked mighty hard this year….she is everywhere.

  130. The one negative I can see about his AMA performance is that I know many parents who will now not let their kids see him in concert (and I mean teenage kids, like 15-17 yr olds).

    Somehow I see this “negative” as more of a positive for the 15-17 year old crowd, as in, “the parents don’t approve, cool, can’t wait to see what the guy does in concert.” In other words, your friends’ kids may not be going but the kids’ friends probably will.

  131. Does anyone know when Adam will be on Larry King? Wasn’t sure it was announced yet….

  132. I hope Adam will perform ‘soaked’ in Ellen. The audience and viewers will drool over it.

  133. Do you think Ellen will give everyone in the audience a CD? Does she do that?

  134. Susan Boyle’s ranking based on Amazon sales is still very strong. She’s still #1 in US, Canada, UK, France. Adam is slowing down fast: down to #14 in US, #13 in Canada, #160 in UK, no ranking yet in France.

    US stores Best Buy- Subo at #3 (out of stock), Adam at #8
    Barnes/Noble- Subo at #1, Adam at #7
    Borders Bookstore, Subo at #1, Adam at # 11
    Wallmart- no ranking

    Make your own prediction. Looks like Subo will continue to have strong sales and Adam will be down drastically. Maybe I am wrong?

  135. A lot of people are comparing Adam to Susan Boyle (a non-AI anomaly). How does Adam’s first week compare to other 2nd place AI finishers for the first week?

  136. A lot of people are comparing Adam to Susan Boyle (a non-AI anomaly). How does Adam’s first week compare to other 2nd place AI finishers for the first week?

    It’s very good, except for Clay.

  137. I won’t hold my breath for FYE debut at #2. I’ll be thrilled if it’s anywhere between #2 – #5.

  138. cmc25
    11/28/2009 at 3:30 pm

    Aren’t these internet shipping sites where the product is mailed or delivered? Since the CDs are now available at most big box retail stores I don’t think on-line shopping is much of a factor anymore. Besides, I don’t think many albums release after this week, Allison being the exception, so sales for Amazon aren’t pre-sales anymore but actual physical sales.

    And, a lot of these sites have albums at special prices for the holidays so the numbers will probably be skewed towards cheaper albums for a few weeks. But congrats to SuBo for staying on top…more Christmas gifts, I’m sure.

  139. It’s very good, except for Clay.

    Thanks, I really had no idea. This is the first year I’ve paid any attention to sales numbers.

  140. Bo Bice is in second with 227K’ ¦if Adam hits over 227K he will be second only behind Clay Aiken.

    That’s interesting. I hope Adam makes #2. That would be cool. :)

  141. Q3 is #2 -#5 still considered ‘good’ ?

    Top 20 is considered good, #2 to #5 will exceed expectations SUBSTANTIALLY.

  142. I won’t hold my breath for FYE debut at #2. I’ll be thrilled if it’s anywhere between #2 ‘“ #5.

    I agree about the number two thing. I think HDD did it’s typical Idol overestimation and with the numbers so close or Rhianna and GaGa, they could very well be two and three instead. Agreed about the being happy with 2-5.

  143. I am very happy with the first week sales. It was difficult to guess what the AMA effect would be (positive vs. negative). I believe that the numbers will continue to be good as more and more people give the CD a listen and discover the quality of the music. There are a lot of folks who still don’t know anything about Adam, other than the fact that the gave an OTT performance on national TV.

    Radio support will certainly help. I do think that there are a lot of conservative stations that will hesitate to play. For instance, here are some facebook entries from Jack Diamond, of the “Jack Diamond Morning Show” on Mix 107.3 in DC (one of the biggest (clear channel) pop stations in the DC metro area:

    Jack Diamond ShowI think he is DONE. Good Morning America, and several other TV shows have cancelled his appearances. It takes no talent whatsoever to go for the cheap shock-value moment and hope people will throw $$ at you. Didn’t work, at least this time.

    Jack Diamond ShowThe do rehearse. Did you see what happened on the Super Bowl with Janet Jackson. That was COMPLETELY planned, and hidden from producers for the shock value. Just like Adam. His career along with Kris Allen is Ice Cold. He needed something. Just think it was the wrong venue, time, and place to do it. He should join “Queen” NOW. He’d be brilliant!! Good night!

    Not saying he is being banned, but these posts certainly don’t sound supportive.

  144. Susan Boyle’s ranking based on Amazon sales is still very strong. She’s still #1 in US, Canada, UK, France. Adam is slowing down fast: down to #14 in US, #13 in Canada, #160 in UK, no ranking yet in France.

    I do not think Adam’s sales units are dropping on Amazon — the chart drop is because of the entry of the Amazon $6.99 Thanksgiving specials above FYE and the rise of the $179+ Beatles Collection [holiday gifts].

  145. Good Morning America, and several other TV shows have cancelled his appearances

    Who cancelled an appearance besides GMA?

  146. Does anyone know what were the other TV shows that canceled Adam that Jack Diamond was referring to? I thought GMA was the only one. Will Adam’s songs still be played on his radio station, even if that one particular DJ does not play them. Q3 if you are around maybe you can answer for me, you always seem to have great info.

  147. Susan Boyle’s ranking based on Amazon sales is still very strong. She’s still #1 in US, Canada, UK, France. Adam is slowing down fast: down to #14 in US, #13 in Canada, #160 in UK, no ranking yet in France.

    SuBo’s sales are strong but Adam is also remaining stready as far as I can determine.

    Amazon: UK #97 music #56 pop, Japan #63 music #13 pop.
    Note: FYE was up to #93 UK last night but #97 is essentially flat.

    And FYE has been in the Top 10 on iTunes all week — and is charting on iTunes in 17 countries — maybe more — I only checked 19.

  148. GMA was the only cancellation, I’m pretty sure. And, I wonder if that guy has changed his tune.

    I do worry about Adam’s acceptance on radio. How WWFM does will be telling. While it isn’t my favorite song on the album, it is absolutely the most radio-friendly (well, Aftermath was tailor-made for HAC) and there is no reason why it shouldn’t be a hit.

  149. cayman
    11/28/2009 at 4:08 pm
    Does anyone know what were the other TV shows that canceled Adam that Jack Diamond was referring to? I thought GMA was the only one. Will Adam’s songs still be played on his radio station, even if that one particular DJ does not play them. Q3 if you are around maybe you can answer for me, you always seem to have great info.

    GMA is the and only one cancellation for Adam. Nothing else, including interviews, radio appearance and events, has been cancelled.

    If there are any more cancellations, it will just give Adam another big press day and 10,000 more Twitter followers.

    Adam is on Open House Party tomorrow — over 100 stations. So I expect to seem more radio adds next week.

  150. alaadam
    11/28/2009 at 4:01 pm

    Good Morning America, and several other TV shows have cancelled his appearances

    Who cancelled an appearance besides GMA?

    Nobody else canceled Adam. This is just an overstatement to get people to believe that there is more outrage then there is actually. It wouldn’t be as effective if it just said GMA canceled Adam his career is over. But looking at the positive he does say getting with Queen would be brilliant so not such a negative.

  151. (well, Aftermath was tailor-made for HAC)

    I swear in the very beginning of that song he sounds just like Chris Daughtry.

  152. Chicagolaw
    11/28/2009 at 4:12 pm
    GMA was the only cancellation, I’m pretty sure. And, I wonder if that guy has changed his tune.

    I do worry about Adam’s acceptance on radio. How WWFM does will be telling. While it isn’t my favorite song on the album, it is absolutely the most radio-friendly (well, Aftermath was tailor-made for HAC) and there is no reason why it shouldn’t be a hit.

    I can only think of one reason that WWFM will not get radio airplay but the AMA-GMA-CBS newsstory and positive support from the public/media for Adam may have actually help break down barriers for gay artists getting radio airplay. One thing is sure — if it doesn’t get airplay, it will be news.

  153. I saw those Jack Diamond tweets at the time. They happened as a fairly early reaction, obviously before CBS announced Adam had been picked up for its Early Show.

    Jack can be funny, but…his humor misses as much as it hits, imo. He’s a bit of a tweetaholic, and has been known to imbibe and TWD (tweet while drunk…) It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he still played Adam’s music. I don’t see him as someone who’d feel the need to stay true to his tweet. :-)

  154. Adam’s CD continues to remain entertaining for me as it is in the background while I am cleaning, doing bills, laundry, etc. That song, Suburban Decay on Justin Hawkins page is really, really catchy and I think if Adam just did a single with that, it would go right to the top. I can’t stop listening to that and wish it was for sale.

  155. Could be out to lunch, but I do think Fever is going to be the biggest hit off this album when it is released as a single. It is uber-dancey, completely Hit radio friendly. Personally, I haven’t been able to shake it out of my head!! I think it will be GIGANTIC and Adam will get to buy a house and set up the red and purple hookah den!

  156. I agree that this could have been a knee jerk reaction by Jack DIamond, but I was really disappointed in his posts. I think he was over-sensationalizing the GMA cancellation and doubt if there were other cancellations, I lost a lot of respect for him after those posts. It is surprising because he seems to be a big AI supporter. I have not yet heard FYE or WWFM on Mix107 or on Hot 99.5 in DC, however they are finally starting to play LLWD.

    I think that when radio starts to give Adam more spins, his high level of sales will continue. Again – there are a hell of a lot of people out there who have never heard of him.

  157. Q3, my voice of reason, thank you for the info once again. My daughter bought the album yesterday off iTunes, has not listened to a single song. She bought it to support him for being a “daring & at the same time a VERY cool guy”. She says she put the songs on rotation on her ipod and when they come up she will let me know how she likes them. I know there will be some she loves. I want him to do well enough to tour and put out several more albums.

  158. That song, Suburban Decay on Justin Hawkins page is really, really catchy and I think if Adam just did a single with that, it would go right to the top. I can’t stop listening to that and wish it was for sale.

    Will you post a link? I can’t find it. Thanks!

  159. @neilambert what makes you think I was spared in The Great Urination?
    about 3 hours ago from Seesmic in reply to neilambert

  160. I want him to do well enough to tour and put out several more albums.

    I think you can be assured of both, even if there is a label switch sometime in the future!

    The Universe is unfolding as it!

  161. I am watching CNN news, the ticker tape on the bottom just came across and said “Adam Lambert’s album sells well amongst the controversy. Crazy, is this considered good, bad or it doesn’t matter type of promotion?

  162. My favorite on the CD is “Soaked”. I put it on repeat on my ipod yesterday and listened to it for almost 3 hours straight and still had a hard time stopping. His voice is so beautiful, and the message is so emotional – it’s just an incredible song. I also love “Broken Open” – a very haunting melody.

  163. Hahha. I think it’s cute how creative some posters are in spinning Adam’s first week sales as “disappointing”. I’m happy as a clam even if sales come in at the low end.

    The album is GREAT, so the important thing is that the songs are heard. If they’re heard people will request them and will buy the album. The songs are that good. I love Fever, PUU, WWFM and Soaked the most. At this point in time that is, because my favorites change from day to day.
    Oh yes – and DTRH!

  164. I’m not interested in the Susan Boyle CD, but I am very happy for her. Funny thing though, I have yet to read a really good review (two I read only gave it 1 1/2 stars). How do things work at GRAMMY time? Should we be expecting her album to run away with things, even if it is all covers?

    She’ll get zero Grammy nominations, now or ever! We can take that one to the bank, I think!

  165. She’ll get zero Grammy nominations, now or ever! We can take that one to the bank, I think!

    Lucy I would agree with you but I also would never have guessed sales of her cd as astonishing as they appear to be. So you never know….But we are assured she will be winning a lot of Billboard awards. ugh!

  166. Saga: Thanks for the Justin Hawkins link! One of my favorite things about Adam for me is how I am always compelled to look into other singers and song writers because of him. It’s so fun. Justin Hawkins seems like a cool guy and I wish I could hear Adam singing Suburban Decay. Great song.

  167. Adam mentions in the link that he thinks it is perferct for(because it is about Vampires) and hopes to land it on the Twighlight Eclipse movie soundtack which is due out in June 2010′ ¦patience!

    I would die if that happened. Wow…

  168. I know that the fye single is not getting a lot of radio play but here is the thing the song on itunes has jumped up from 62 to 23 on Monday then has been staying steady between 24-30 since.(right now 29) This is the combined sales singles chart on Itunes. It’s like it has a second life. Now say what you will but the only thing that could have helped the increase in sales is the AMA’s (and now subsequent Video) The song is not getting nearly as much radio play as Kris’s but still is selling better then LLWD which is at #52. I am not trying to compare (because I love Kris too) but trying to understand the talk about radio play and all the talk that fye single is flopping. As far as I can see it is getting a second life. What do you think? (all opinions welcomed even the not so favorable)

  169. Susan Boyle CD, I am very curious about her buying demographics, for me she is NOT appealing at all. My mother would buy her album, however, she does not use the computer for purchases, that lady sure has something I just don’t get. Big surprise since I love Adam’s music, guess they can’t get any different than those two. Maybe there are alot of mother, grandmother types that are more computer savy than my mother, I know my kids would not give her a second look. Anyway, back to the original question, who is buying?

  170. What do you think? (all opinions welcomed even the not so favorable)

    Well, I would wait and see how the spins are picking up for FYE after him doing radio promo but I am starting to believe everyone who has said its too sexual for certain radio stations. I don’t really understand all this morality things going on in the US… I don’t think there is much chance of a second life? They’d go for WWFM now, it’s much safer.

  171. People always underestimate Granny power. Comparing Adam and Susan Boyle is comparing Apples to Cabbage! An album of friendly covers sung by a frumpy walking talking “feel good” story. Is a bit like a freak wave on the beach – no way to explain it, just is, grab your towel and get out of the way.

    Is much more appropriate to compare Adam to Gaga and Rhianna sales – and there he is more than holding his own. Album is selling well in the most super competitive week of the year. Yeah Adam.

  172. Where is Mr. Potts today? Has his fairytale story sustained him in the music business? I seriously don’t know.

    He released a second album in June. According to Wikipedia, it has not done as well as the first — which they say sold 680,000 in the UK; 1,000,000 in Germany, and peaked at #1 in a lot of European countries and at #23 in the United States. Album two isn’t doing quite as well but it hasn’t just fallen down the drain either. It peaked at #3 in Germany, #1 in New Zealand, and #5 in the UK, and has also been certified platinum in Taiwan.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Potts

  173. Did Susan Boyle’s album go on sale Monday, too? What about the others that were released this week? That makes an extra day for Adam.

  174. The hype only exists in the AI bubble.

    Rolling Stone, Details, Entertainment Weekly, etc. These publications exist outside of the AI Bubble and they all featured huge vanity pieces on him. Add to that The AMA and you’ve got one big fat hype machine.

  175. …but trying to understand the talk about radio play and all the talk that fye single is flopping. As far as I can see it is getting a second life. What do you think? (all opinions welcomed even the not so favorable)

    It certainly seems to have been resurrected, at least to a certain extent. I’ve been watching it climb on I-Tunes, too, and agree that the only possible catalyst was the AMA performance. I guess I wasn’t so surprised that it climbed up the charts right after the performance, but I’m pretty astounded that it’s remained relatively stable in the top 30 for nearly a week now. The video might have something to do with it, too. By the way, the video isn’t available for sale yet, is it? Does anyone know if/when it will be on I-Tunes?

  176. I wish RCA would realize FYE flopped and start pushing hard for WWFM to radios and promo.

    Then, they need to release FEVER. I think that will be like Carrie Underwood’s Before He Cheats. In other words, his biggest single.

    Gosh, just sign me up RCA. I could manage Adam.

  177. Lucy I would agree with you but I also would never have guessed sales of her cd as astonishing as they appear to be. So you never know’ ¦.But we are assured she will be winning a lot of Billboard awards. ugh!

    She will, lol…. Just try not to think about it!

    I still don’t think you need to worry about the Grammys — I was *sure* she would sell millions — and I’m also sure she won’t get any Grammy noms …. Those are industry based awards, and somehow I just don’t think many in the industry are interested in rewarding that kind of album! Despite the number of jokes about the Grammys, they still tend to want people to believe it’s about musical quality!

  178. googletot

    Did Susan Boyle’s album go on sale Monday, too? What about the others that were released this week? That makes an extra day for Adam.

    Since most people do not shop on Thanksgiving — even with the Monday release, it is a 6-day sales week. Just looks like it will be the biggest music sales week for the past 2 years. And SuBo is certain to outsell last Thanksgining week’s biggest seller — Beyonce “I am Sasha Fierce” which didn’t quite break 500K. Reports are music sales are up 12% to 15% over last year.

    Also, with all the focus on units, people of not looking at the revenue numbers — since it looks like about 20% of Adams sales may be deluxe and CE albums — the average sale price for Adam’s albums is running over $11 and total revenue for the first week could exceed $2.4 million. Not a bad first week.

  179. Also, with all the focus on units, people of not looking at the revenue numbers ‘” since it looks like about 20% of Adams sales may be deluxe and CE albums ‘” the average sale price for Adam’s albums is running over $11 and total revenue for the first week could exceed $2.4 million. Not a bad first week.

    Oooh, not bad at all! :) Thank you for the stats Q3.

  180. cayman-Just yesterday, I had the Susan Boyle discussion with my 26 yr old son. We were talking about Adam’s sales maybe being second highest for the week. Then I said something like I don’t know who’s buying SB albums, except maybe for Christmas presents for moms and grandmas. My son seemed shocked at my tone of voice, I guess. He said in all seriousness, “Don’t you want her album?” I said something like,”Oh, my God, NO! You bought that for me, didn’t you? Run, do not walk, and take that back right NOW! If I see that album, you will not get any Christmas cookies!” I think I threw in some more VERY serious threats to get my point across.
    All of you people who think buying the the Susan Boyle album is the perfect answer for the “What to get Mom or Grandma for Christmas?” question, please reconsider. Hint at Adam or Kris or Allison. Remember many of these ladies were Elvis or Buddy Holly or even Beatles fans. Are you sure they want an album with the picture of another old lady on the cover?

  181. Im sorry but Im kind of lol at the negativity being spun here. These are fantastic numbers and I personally am hugely proud of Adams achievement! :)

  182. mj, I don’t know whether I’m allowed to comment here, it’s related to this topic anyways.

    Are you gonna make a thread for album sales every week just like the Monday Morning Mediabase Update threads?

    I think that would be interesting ;)

    ETA: Sorry, its Idols Sales Week every Wednesday, not Monday Morning Mediabase update. My bad lol

  183. All of you people who think buying the the Susan Boyle album is the perfect answer for the ‘What to get Mom or Grandma for Christmas?’  question, please reconsider. Hint at Adam or Kris or Allison. Remember many of these ladies were Elvis or Buddy Holly or even Beatles fans. Are you sure they want an album with the picture of another old lady on the cover?

    If my son gave me SuBo, forget about cutting off the cookies, I would cut him out of my will!! Thankfully, I exchange playlists with him every now and then.

    Suggestion to all moms — let your kids know what music you like. Otherwise you may end up with SuBo or Michael Buble in your Christmas stocking [or holiday of your choice gift].

  184. And SuBo is certain to outsell last Thanksgining week’s biggest seller ‘” Beyonce ‘I am Sasha Fierce’  which didn’t quite break 500K. Reports are music sales are up 12% to 15% over last year.

    I Am Sasha Fierce didn’t come out Thanksgiving week. I have no idea what came out Black Friday week but Beyonce released the same week as David last year, 11/18.

  185. I love my mum too much to even consider buying her the Subo album .. she’s in her 70’s and loves Adam .. so she’s getting his instead :-)

  186. All of you people who think buying the the Susan Boyle album is the perfect answer for the ‘What to get Mom or Grandma for Christmas?’  question, please reconsider. Hint at Adam or Kris or Allison. Remember many of these ladies were Elvis or Buddy Holly or even Beatles fans.

    Or Rolling Stones or Grateful Dead fans … Old ladies are getting younger all the time….

  187. …Although, come to think of it, I guess that’s why they put Wild Horses on the cd!

  188. When my children give me gifts, even something similar to a SuBo or Groban CD, I am touched by their thoughtfulness and graciously accept the gift. I would never hurt my children’s feelings by rejecting a gift. If it is truly hideous I am perfectly capable of returning it on my own later, or simply hanging on to it as a sign of their love and indeed many times we have laughed about these “white elephants” later. All of this IMHO, of course.

  189. Q3-My son, also, knows exactly what music I already own. I was stunned that he thought I would like that album.
    sanduskyday-You are a much nicer mom than me.
    lucy-Yes, Rolling Stones, Grateful Dead…

  190. Any other week of the year we would be high-fiving each other over his numbers. The fact is his numbers are great! He did as well, and in some cases sold twice as much, as the top artists of the past couple of years. That’s huge. I really thought that Gaga would come in second so I am over the moon that he is sitting in that position.

    I can’t even take SuBo’s numbers seriously. I’m betting 3/4 of that 600,000 were bought for Christmas presents. Music is going to be a big seller this year because it’s affordable. Now, I have nothing against SuBo. In fact, I wouldn’t mind finding it under my tree as long as Adam and Chris and Allison were under it too.

  191. “When my children give me gifts, even something similar to a SuBo or Groban CD, I am touched by their thoughtfulness and graciously accept the gift. I would never hurt my children’s feelings by rejecting a gift. If it is truly hideous I am perfectly capable of returning it on my own later, or simply hanging on to it as a sign of their love and indeed many times we have laughed about these ‘white elephants’  later. All of this IMHO, of course.”

    ^^This I even do that with stuff my mom or grandma might get me.. shoot I got enough respect that im not gonna say ‘your gift sucks, take it back i dont want it, dont you dare’ yikes….

  192. Hi, guys. Heard I was missed (thanks :)). Being honest, I got tired of being flamed or having to defend Adam over and over without being called a Kris hater (am not, love his album) or delusional (gonna say that 225K albums sold is not by accident). I was not a fan of what he did at the AMAs, but the comments that came afterward just made me sad (and defensive, neither of which I have time in my life to fee). I do not “get” SuBo, but I appreciate the success she has had. Meanwhile as a proud fan of Adam’s, I appreciate his candor and courage in the things he says and does, even if I don’t always agree with them.

    So, that’s it. I am at Twitter if you want to chat, etc. laterz

  193. And SuBo is certain to outsell last Thanksgining week’s biggest seller ‘” Beyonce ‘I am Sasha Fierce’  which didn’t quite break 500K. Reports are music sales are up 12% to 15% over last year.

    I Am Sasha Fierce didn’t come out Thanksgiving week. I have no idea what came out Black Friday week but Beyonce released the same week as David last year, 11/18.

    Oh, you’re correct — SF came out against Cook that is why I remembered it — but I think it was the #1 sales week for a November album last year. But maybe something was bigger on the following week.

    ETA: Not to loose my main point – SuBo is going to have an amazing and potentially record-breaking week – bigger than anything last Holiday season. And if this thing holds up for a couple of weeks — she might well have the #1 album in the world for 2009 [not on Billboard because the Billboard 2009 calendar cut off is 11/30/09 but on a regular Western European calendar.]

  194. @Dlynne Id love to high five on these numbers…they’re pretty damn cool! 0/

  195. I’m not a fan of Susan Boyle myself (although I loved her audition on BGT), but I don’t get why people are dismissing her phenomenal sales as ‘altruism on a CD.’  A lot of people simply like that kind of music and love her voice.

    I don’t think the altruism sentiment is accurate either but people love tear-jerker stories. You couple that with the power of viral YouTube videos and admittedly a very nice voice and voila! She won’t sell nearly as well with a follow-up CD because the novelty will have worn off, unless she records an original song that becomes an actual hit.

  196. Luckily I don’t have to worry about getting my parents the SueBo CD. My dad only listens to classical music and opera and my mom doesn’t really listen to any music at all. Which is good, because I really don’t want to buy that CD, even as a gift (although I totally would if someone in my family really wanted it)

  197. I think Paul Potts has a much better shot at successive decently selling albums that Susan B. While he isn’t a blind Italian guy who pretends to be sexy, he sings the opera and light classical-type stuff that Andrea Bocelli sings, and Bocelli doesn’t lack for fans at all. …. I expect the Bocelli persona probably is better for sales than Paul Potts’, but light-classical/opera stuff has always been popular with a lot of people and will continue to be.

  198. I don’t comment much, though, I do read and look here several times a day…SueBrody have missed your wisdom as of late and glad to see you here this evening…I, too, was a little taken back with Adam and the AMA’s…but, after watching the whole show again and this time showing to hubby….he just looked at me and said “what’s the deal, there was raw stuff in the whole show….lots bleeped and suggestive moves, etc.” Hubby is a child of the 70’s and 80’s music and AMA show didn’t seem to phase him much at all….I do think Adam’s CD is doing very well, even here in Arkansas…I live in the 2nd biggest city in Ar and his CD was sold out in 3 Wal-Marts and one smaller WM only had 1 copy left …I was looking for gifts…I had already downloaded our copy from ITunes….Susan is doing well and I applaud her. Her life story is also very encouraging to people…and, that affects buying sometimes…Course, I think Adam’s life story has a lot that makes me love him even more, too~….I am glad for both Adam and Susan….

  199. I really think they got these predictions wrong. Just look at the iTunes top 10, Adam isn’t even there anymore and Gaga is #1 and #3 (with Rihanna in #4). I’ll wait and see.

  200. Susan Boyle’s numbers blow me away because they did it without much hype, just a little bit of TV to promote the album release.

    If by “hype” you mean actual marketing. Simon Cowell and his company execs must be laughing all the way to the bank since they didn’t need to spend much on advertising for SuBo’s debut CD. The original Britain’s Got Talent audition video that was posted to YouTube has, to date, over 79.5 million views. And that doesn’t include the dozens of alternate postings of the same video that have each garnered millions of views themselves. Plus how many times has this video been favourited by YouTubers? So it’s sort of inaccurate to say there hasn’t been much hype. The hype was generated by the public from the start and it hasn’t let up since. Mainstream U.S. media hopped on the bandwagon early on with those satellite interviews so she HAS become a sort of media darling as well.

  201. They are rapidly pulling off the FYE music videos appearing on you tube. Does this mean an itunes release is coming soon? Here’s hoping…

  202. I will join in the virtual high five! Adam’s numbers are terrific and it appears that the media thinks they are terrific too. He will be the first runner up to outsell the winner in years…that is impressive. He is supposedly outselling expectations. The album has generally received good to great reviews (yes, I know there are a few negative ones, there always are — but overall the reviews have been far, far more favorable than negative). Woo hoo!

  203. They are rapidly pulling off the FYE music videos appearing on you tube. Does this mean an itunes release is coming soon? Here’s hoping’ ¦

    I sure hope so. I have no idea why it’s not on iTunes already. I’m sure people were looking for it after the AMA thing.

  204. Susan Boyle’s numbers blow me away because they did it without much hype, just a little bit of TV to promote the album release.

    A little bit of TV? The Today Show did a story on her virtually every week since the video went viral! She was constantly in the paper. Her album went up for pre-order early and there was a ton of marketing. She sold he cd on QVC….I think her sales are absolutely amazing, and give her team big props, but there was a LOT of hype and promo.

  205. I really think they got these predictions wrong. Just look at the iTunes top 10, Adam isn’t even there anymore and Gaga is #1 and #3 (with Rihanna in #4). I’ll wait and see.

    Adam’s probably selling more hard copies. Again, older fans –> selling hard copies.

  206. mama2dasha
    11/28/2009 at 7:02 pm

    They are rapidly pulling off the FYE music videos appearing on you tube. Does this mean an itunes release is coming soon? Here’s hoping’ ¦

    Me Hoping too!!!!

  207. Also, in terms of Adam, his album sales aren’t really helping his radio play yet.

    According to mediabase, FYE has gotten 32 spins today (22 Top 40, 10 Hot AC) — and 314 spins over the past 7 days (including today) — which is DOWN 64 spins from the previous 7 days.

    WWFM has gotten 19 spins today (15 in Top 40, 4 in Hot AC). Over the last 7 days it has gotten 266 total spins. Now it is going the right way — that’s UP 133 spins from the previous 7 days. But it’s still not getting a ton of play yet.

    And if you compare it to Kris’ single, you can see how far it still has to go. LLWD has gotten 346 spins today, pretty evenly split between Top 40 (175) and Hot AC (171). And over the past 7 days it has received 2993 total spins — UP 414 from the previous 7 days.

    Now LLWD has been out a lot longer than either of Adam’s songs, so this comparison is a little unfair. I’m trying to think of a recently released single to try and compare Adam’s radio play to. Maybe the Lady Gaga/Beyonce collaboration? I think “Telephone” was just released, right?

    Okay, so “Telephone” has gotten 116 spins today (87 Top 40, 29 Rhythmic) — and 988 over the past 7 days — UP 581 from last week. This isn’t the perfect comparison either, since Lady Gaga and Beyonce are two of the hottest names in the business, but still it gives an idea of how far Adam’s songs have to go to try and make a dent in radio airplay.

    It doesn’t look like(the single) FYE is going to catch on for radio play, even with the good news about the album — but I still have hopes for WWFM, which I think is the better song anyway — and certainly seems more radio friendly. The next few weeks should give us a better idea of whether it will catch on for airplay.

  208. Rolling Stone, Details, Entertainment Weekly, etc. These publications exist outside of the AI Bubble and they all featured huge vanity pieces on him. Add to that The AMA and you’ve got one big fat hype machine.

    Right – major promotion, so why is he selling only in the low 200’s!

  209. Adam’s probably selling more hard copies. Again, older fans ‘“> selling hard copies.

    I think people give hard copies for gifts too.

  210. Crayonas
    11/28/2009 at 7:01 pm

    I really think they got these predictions wrong. Just look at the iTunes top 10, Adam isn’t even there anymore and Gaga is #1 and #3 (with Rihanna in #4). I’ll wait and see.

    Well you know whether Adam is 2 or 5 or 10 and if his sales predictions are even off by 50,000 Still good and competitive. Jeez.

    Also Itunes is not the end all. He is doing better then then Gaga and Rhianna in other markets and if I am correct digital downloads are only a percentage of total I think around 25%. I know Carrie had 310K her first week with I believe 80,000 in digital downloads.

  211. Crayonas

    Adam has been #1 on amazon.com off and on ever since his CD was available for pre-order. Then there’s all the sales off his official site and all the sales from actual physical stores like WalMart, Target, Best Buy, and whatever record store chains actually still exist. iTunes is just a small % of total sales. For example, out of the 80,000 copies Kris sold last week, I think only around 24,000 were digital sales.

  212. Has anyone mentioned, yet, that if SuBo didn’t release this week, Adam would have the number one album?! :)

  213. Adam’s probably selling more hard copies. Again, older fans ‘“> selling hard copies.

    I think people give hard copies for gifts too.

    Yes. But Adam’s CD isn’t something you give to someone without knowing they watch Idol or at least knowing their musical tastes very well. He won’t get as big a boost from gift-giving as Susan Boyle, who’s become sort of a “go-to gift for any older ladies you know because of course they’ll like her”

  214. googletot
    11/28/2009 at 7:12 pm

    Rolling Stone, Details, Entertainment Weekly, etc. These publications exist outside of the AI Bubble and they all featured huge vanity pieces on him. Add to that The AMA and you’ve got one big fat hype machine.

    Right ‘“ major promotion, so why is he selling only in the low 200’s!

    Got to love your determination and grit in trying to make 200K sound like a bad thing. Priceless ;-)

  215. iTunes is just a small % of total sales.

    Amazon is even smaller… Anyway, I hope the predictions are right, tho! He deserves that.

    But I can’t get over the fact the FYE video isn’t on iTunes. What exactly they are waiting for? Not smart, not smart at all.

  216. Adam’s probably selling more hard copies.

    I got the collector’s edition, which is a hard copy. Once I popped it in my CD drive on my computer Itunes asked me if I wanted to import the songs in my library and I did. So yeah. You don’t have to buy through Itunes to put songs on your Ipod.

  217. Yes. But Adam’s CD isn’t something you give to someone without knowing they watch Idol or at least knowing their musical tastes very well.

    I’m giving one to each of my sister’s who liked Adam on the show but I am sure have not followed him since. They are lovers of glam rock…so I think I am safe. I understand what you mean about Subo, but I can’t think of anyone I know to give that to.

  218. I think Paul Potts has a much better shot at successive decently selling albums that Susan B. While he isn’t a blind Italian guy who pretends to be sexy, he sings the opera and light classical-type stuff that Andrea Bocelli sings, and Bocelli doesn’t lack for fans at all. ‘ ¦. I expect the Bocelli persona probably is better for sales than Paul Potts’, but light-classical/opera stuff has always been popular with a lot of people and will continue to be.

    Andrea Bocelli is in a vocal class that Paul Potts can only dream of and probably will never achieve.

    And am am confused what advantage Bocelli have in being blind or for that matter Italian.

  219. Music Again playing on my ipod right now – happy dance… :-) 200+k for first week sounds pretty good to me especially in the most competitive CD release week of the year!

    Oh and as someone up thread noted – if not for Subo he may very well have been #1…

  220. How did this happened? Itunes top 100 songs has Subo’s I Dreamed of Dream at #26 against Adam’s FYE at #29.

    I guess teens like Subo or the grand mamas and grand papas have bought ipods and are now into digital downloads.

  221. time to delurk as u guys have me so confused
    first I read that Adam’s fan base is not as big as people thought – now I read that the 200+ is only AI fans buying and since it is only AI fans that he should be selling higher
    SuBo sells to older folks (QVC was a big sale for her) and they buy hard CD’s now she is selling big time on ITunes – so is the older generation now only buying on Itunes

  222. PattyH
    11/28/2009 at 7:15 pm
    Has anyone mentioned, yet, that if SuBo didn’t release this week, Adam would have the number one album?!

    It is a sweet thought, but it is one forecast based on sample reports — there are no actual sales yet.

    Also, the Internet is full of pictures of Adam FYE slots empty in retail stores and fans searching to find copies of the CD. On one hand, it is a sign FYE CDs are selling, but it also means that some retail locations did not have enough stock of FYE and that is not good. People can only buy it if it is in the store.

  223. But I can’t get over the fact the FYE video isn’t on iTunes. What exactly they are waiting for? Not smart, not smart at all.

    Actually I think it is pretty smart because you want to keep the feed of new stuff steady. If you dump it all on the market at once you blow the chance for sustained interest. If they are pulling it off YouTube etc could well be that release is coming – at a guess probably later this week. Although won’t do me any good as it won’t be on iTunes here in oz as album isn’t even there yet. GRRRRRRR

  224. But I can’t get over the fact the FYE video isn’t on iTunes. What exactly they are waiting for? Not smart, not smart at all.

    iTunes hasn’t seemed to be Adam’s best friend, even before the AMA’s.

    Rolling Stone, Details, Entertainment Weekly, etc. These publications exist outside of the AI Bubble and they all featured huge vanity pieces on him. Add to that The AMA and you’ve got one big fat hype machine.

    Right ‘“ major promotion, so why is he selling only in the low 200’s!

    Because, Adam, as I said upthread, is a trailblazer and he is going to have to change folks way of thinking about male performers performing Glam Rock – make it fashionable again – before he takes the world by storm. Its hard to get folks out of their usual habits, or to open their minds and be willing to listen.

    Yes. But Adam’s CD isn’t something you give to someone without knowing they watch Idol or at least knowing their musical tastes very well. He won’t get as big a boost from gift-giving as Susan Boyle, who’s become sort of a ‘go-to gift for any older ladies you know because of course they’ll like her’ 

    I rarely gift music, because everyone’s tastes are different, but if I did in this case I would be much more likely to give Adam’s CD as know its very good and has an eclectic grouping of music. Yes, I know SB sings everything from Wild Horses to Amazing Grace, but really, how many of those songs can you listen to her sing without thinking someone is trying to either pull one over on her or the listening audience?

  225. How did this happened? Itunes top 100 songs has Subo’s I Dreamed of Dream at #26 against Adam’s FYE at #29.

    Well actually Adam is at #28 (see I told you guys it keeps going from 24-30) and Susan Boyle is now #29….OMG Adam is beating Susan Boyle!!!!!!….(Figured brag when I can) :lol:

  226. I think that Jon Bon Jovi was quoted last week as saying how tough it is to be new artist off a show like AI where it is expected that your first album will hit the top of the charts, where when they started out they didn’t hit it til their 3rd album. Something to think about.

    There is an artist down here in Oz who came 2nd on idol about 3 or 4 years ago who is not the hottest thing on the charts down here. It took her a while to find the right material that connected but when it did, she took off like a rocket.

    There are plenty of artists out there who would KILL to sell 200+k albums. I am sure Adam is thrilled with those numbers and I would guess RCA are also. One album does not an artist make – is just a starting point, I think Adam will have a long and storied career, this is just the beginning.

  227. Adam just needs to work hard now and get out there performing and singing. It’s time to give the music center stage if you ask me. And he needs to tour with Lady Gaga ASAP. His mangagement needs to make that happen.

    A number 2 debut is good news. I’m still chuckling about last week’s numbers. Kris coming in behind Taylor Swift just like David A. came in behind her last year at the same week. Of course, at least last year was Taylor’s debut week rather than the one year later mark! That was such a RFLMAO moment for me.

  228. SUBO is more of a fad if you ask me. I’m happy for her as a person but not into her kind of music at all.

    Today my brother said something absolutely hilarious. He said that Susan Boyle was taking losing better than Adam since she didn’t feel the need to get on stage and give an F U to haters like Adam did at the AMAs. I had to chuckle, since she only had a nervous breakdown when she lost.

  229. Adam just needs to work hard now and get out there performing and singing. It’s time to give the music center stage if you ask me. And he needs to tour with Lady Gaga ASAP. His mangagement needs to make that happen.

    A number 2 debut is good news. I’m still chuckling about last week’s numbers. Kris coming in behind Taylor Swift just like David A. came in behind her last year at the same week. Of course, at least last year was Taylor’s debut week rather than the one year later mark! That was such a RFLMAO moment for me.

    It better be overseas because after the AMA’s and enjoying be peed on.Don’t think many straight guys will go see him live.Could be lots of breakups over it.
    I said a long time ago nobody would touch subo sales first week out.When all the idol ott fans and gay supporters stop buying the next few weeks the true story will be told.It won’t be a happy ending for adam fans.

  230. Well actually Adam is at #28 (see I told you guys it keeps going from 24-30) and Susan Boyle is now #29′ ¦.OMG Adam is beating Susan Boyle!!!!!!’ ¦.(Figured brag when I can)

    LOL … Goooooooo Adam

  231. Has anyone mentioned, yet, that if SuBo didn’t release this week, Adam would have the number one album?!

    omg we totally think alike. the first thing that went thru my mind was subo is british so she doesn’t count in my mind , so Adam is actually no 1. SO COOL. with all the big guns this week he still outsold them all. haha.

  232. Listening to FYE right now it’s an awesome cd. I am really in awe of the quality of music that he managed to accomplish in such a short period of time. He did what he set out to do. I am truly impressed. Between really great first weeks sales and the damn solid reviews from revered musical publications I am really proud of him. I also think this sorta says what kind of fanbase he really has. Not as small as many tried to imply. If radio embraces him, watch out!

  233. It better be overseas because after the AMA’s and enjoying be peed on.Don’t think many straight guys will go see him live.Could be lots of breakups over it.
    I said a long time ago nobody would touch subo sales first week out.When all the idol ott fans and gay supporters stop buying the next few weeks the true story will be told.It won’t be a happy ending for adam fans.

    Thanks for proving how incredible Adam’s sales truly are.

  234. Andrea Bocelli is in a vocal class that Paul Potts can only dream of and probably will never achieve.

    And am am confused what advantage Bocelli have in being blind or for that matter Italian.

    It’s his blindness that sells. Andrea Bocelli isn’t a great singer, he has a nice voice, that’s about it. There are many better classical singers than him, but I’d bet you have never heard of them.

    As for Paul Potts, he is strictly for those who have no ear for opera.

  235. Because, Adam, as I said upthread, is a trailblazer and he is going to have to change folks way of thinking about male performers performing Glam Rock ‘“ make it fashionable again ‘“ before he takes the world by storm. Its hard to get folks out of their usual habits, or to open their minds and be willing to listen.

    Except he sold well over 200,000 cds, which seems to indicate he’s very mainstream already. He’s only a trailblazer in the sense that he’s openly gay and even that is a stretch. He’s an AI trailblazer but so was Bo Bice for rock artists and Blake Lewis for electronica artists. His music is no more trailblazing than Britney Spears. His album alternately sounds like Britney, Pink, GaGa, or The Darkness. Nothing wrong with that, in fact it’s quite a fun listen, but nothing trailblazing either.

  236. Except he sold well over 200,000 cds, which seems to indicate he’s very mainstream already. He’s only a trailblazer in the sense that he’s openly gay. His music is no more trailblazing than Britney Spears. His album alternately sounds like Britney, Pink, GaGa, or The Darkness. Nothing wrong with that, in fact it’s quite a fun listen, but nothing trailblazing either.

    As a huge Adam fan I have to say I agree with your assessment It is not Trailblazing but it is taking risk by being eclectic. IMHO one of the better offerings out there. Very enjoyable and dare I say Great.

  237. Adam’s probably selling more hard copies.

    I got the collector’s edition, which is a hard copy. Once I popped it in my CD drive on my computer Itunes asked me if I wanted to import the songs in my library and I did. So yeah. You don’t have to buy through Itunes to put songs on your Ipod.

    Er…yes? But what does that have to do with my comment? I was commenting on the fact that Adam is predicted to sell more overall than Gaga or Rihanna despite having lower ITunes sales, and offering an explanation for that.

  238. How is it a stretch to say hes trailblazing by being an openly gay pop artist from the beginning of his career? Or do we now live in a post-homophobic society?

  239. How is it a stretch to say hes trailblazing by being an openly gay pop artist from the beginning of his career?

  240. smartalek
    11/28/2009 at 7:52 pm
    SUBO is more of a fad if you ask me. I’m happy for her as a person but not into her kind of music at all.

    Today my brother said something absolutely hilarious. He said that Susan Boyle was taking losing better than Adam since she didn’t feel the need to get on stage and give an F U to haters like Adam did at the AMAs. I had to chuckle, since she only had a nervous breakdown when she lost.

    This is truly hilarious! You are so right! lol

  241. I think that Jon Bon Jovi was quoted last week as saying how tough it is to be new artist off a show like AI where it is expected that your first album will hit the top of the charts, where when they started out they didn’t hit it til their 3rd album. Something to think about.

    I read that too and it’s interesting because Idol gives singers an advantage and a disadvantage all at the same time. However most (probably safe to say all) of them would still be slinging hash or singing in the bar or chorus if it were not for Idol.

  242. I said a long time ago nobody would touch subo sales first week out.When all the idol ott fans and gay supporters stop buying the next few weeks the true story will be told. It won’t be a happy ending for adam fans.

    Dum da dum dum daaaaaaaaa…..Felt that this part need some musical accompaniment. Since it sounds so sinister and hopeless… Don’t worry about us Adam fans I am sure we will be smiling for a long time to come but thanks for the concern.

  243. Wow, congratulations to Adam! 200,000-ish is amazing! To me, this indicates quite a strong fan base, and a good indication of growing interest outside the bubble! Well done Adam. :-)

  244. I am really glad for both SuBo and def Adam..I do hope that he now gets more radio airplay..that would be great! Go Adam!
    Got a question though..what was David Cooks first week sales like? I love them both and just wondered how David did compared to Adam..They are both talented artist but def different..

  245. I said a long time ago nobody would touch subo sales first week out.When all the idol ott fans and gay supporters stop buying the next few weeks the true story will be told. It won’t be a happy ending for adam fans.

    Awww, don’t worry about this Adam fan. I actually do expect Adam’s numbers to follow the customary drop pattern as so many other artists. Even if he drops a bit more than established artists, I think that would be quite normal for an AI “stah.”

    The album has staying power and I don’t think the “true story” will be able to be written “in the next few weeks.” The true story is still in the making and will continue to be told as this album finds traction with some hit singles, a live tour, etc.

    I’m here for the full ride! :-) But it’s proving to be a great prologue so far.

  246. It won’t be a happy ending for adam fans.

    Well, considering you are replying here and reading his Twitter and making up stories I can say he’s generating a lot of interest indeed. LOL

  247. I said a long time ago nobody would touch subo sales first week out.When all the idol ott fans and gay supporters stop buying the next few weeks the true story will be told. It won’t be a happy ending for adam fans.

    Dum da dum dum daaaaaaaaa’ ¦..Felt that this part need some musical accompaniment. Since it sounds so sinister and hopeless’ ¦ Don’t worry about us Adam fans I am sure we will be smiling for a long time to come but thanks for the concern.

    Don’t worry about us “Gay supporters” either, We’ll be chugging down the highway with our stereos cranked…”Welcome to the Master Plan, don’t care if you understand!!!!!!!!”

  248. When all the idol ott fans and gay supporters stop buying the next few weeks the true story will be told. It won’t be a happy ending for adam fans.

    Gay supporters? Like they are a herd? Also, buying a CD doesn’t make one an OTT fan. If Adam sells 200,000 copies his first week it is cause for celebration. We all know sales are going to drop after the first week. He already has fans around the world and this fan base will grow. Words aren’t gonna stop Adam. If that were true he wouldn’t have gotten this far; lots of homophobic haters out there.

  249. ShaynaRayne, I think David Cook (last year’s winner) was around 280,000. David Archuletta (the runner up) was around 180,000.

    Nice to see Adam holding his own, and then some, with last year’s runner up. Not to shabby in comparison to last year’s winner either.

  250. Don’t worry about us ‘Gay supporters’  either, We’ll be chugging down the highway with our stereos cranked’ ¦’ Welcome to the Master Plan, don’t care if you understand!!!!!!!!’ 

    ROFLMAO! (You owe me a keyboard DLee.)

  251. Thank you so much Winks8…I love them both but i would love for Adam’s sales to be close to David’s…great info Winks8!

  252. I am glad to see Adam’s numbers look pretty good. I was worried after the AMA performance, but shocked that my oldest son when he came home from college informed me he watched the AMA’s just to see Adam’s performance with friends. When I showed him Adam’s ROF AI performance earlier he was not impressed and said he couldn’t believe he hadn’t been voted off the show. My son didn’t care for the OTT of the AMA performance, but thought Adam’s vocals were fine. He said that guy has incredible stage presence. He informed me that surprisingly some people at his university actually like Adam’s music. I felt better after hearing that.

  253. I had to de-lurk to say Itunes would not let me buy FYE on the 23rd so I bought it on Amazon. And it still won’t (just had to test it out again). I thought I had read a few days ago that someone else got the same error message I am getting- that it is being modified. Wonder if this is affecting his itunes numbers?

  254. My son didn’t care for the OTT of the AMA performance, but thought Adam’s vocals were fine. He said that guy has incredible stage presence.

    My hubby and oldest daughter didn’t think there was anything wrong with the vocal. It made me realize that only those of us who know the song would have realized it. Since, it isn’t a very melodic song, it’s not obvious to the general public.
    They both loved the fall and recovery, though! :) They made me run it in slomo 3 times!

  255. It better be overseas because after the AMA’s and enjoying be peed on.Don’t think many straight guys will go see him live.Could be lots of breakups over it.
    I said a long time ago nobody would touch subo sales first week out.When all the idol ott fans and gay supporters stop buying the next few weeks the true story will be told.It won’t be a happy ending for adam fans.

    This is a strange statement, Steve. Why would you write that Adam enjoyed being peed on? When it happened, Adam supposedly threw his drink at the guy. He said in his twitter that when it happened, “we all freaked”.

    Adam is an adult gay man who enjoys raunchy humor and performance art. So?

    As for Subo, remember that her fans are the people who don’t know how to steal music. I doubt her album will have long legs. In my mind, (as much as I love her Cinderella story), she’s a freak show. Her album is ALL covers. Did you all see her stucking her thumb in anxiety at Rockefeller Center?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1231042/Susan-Boyle-emotional-break-U-S-tour.html

  256. I wonder what their strategy will be with the FYE music video. Maybe I’m just a biased fan, but I think it’s a hella cool video. That choreographed middle part where Adam works the dancers on invisible puppet strings is really visually compelling and totally rewatchworthy. And the wailing while holding his pimp cane aloft makes me LOL but in a good way (SPAAAARRRTTTAAAAAA!)

    This is the kind of video that makes me wish that MTV hadn’t dumped actual music for reality fare. Do people even watch music video channels any more?

  257. That song sounds so great on the radio. OHP (Open House Party) just earned it a LOT of spins

    BTW Suebrody was there requesting too!

  258. My hubby and oldest daughter didn’t think there was anything wrong with the vocal. It made me realize that only those of us who know the song would have realized it. Since, it isn’t a very melodic song, it’s not obvious to the general public.

    Um…no, it was just a bad vocal, lol. It has nothing to do with whether someone knows the song or not. It was just screechy and off tune and bad–everything that people accused Adam of when he wasn’t, except for this time he was. It’s just one performance and not indicative of Adam’s overall talent, but it’s counterproductive to make excuses for it imo. Maybe your husband/daughter are just humoring you? :P

  259. Adam is steadily getting new followers on his twitter.
    Before AMA, the number is around 220 K, now more than a quater million.
    He is getting new fans, or getting interests from outside Idol world.
    Looking his old Youtube videos before Idol, I found a lot of new comments praising them. Looks like people who had no concern about AI are now checking who Adam is now.

  260. I’ve just been checking out utube – haven’t been there in a while. Adam has HUGE #’s of hits on a lot of his stuff. Someone has also put up each one of his new songs…is that normal? Is that good for him or bad?

  261. Whats OHP?

    A nationally syndicated radio show that plays on the weekends on a ton of radio stations. I think the show is requests only.

    ETA: According to their twitter, Adam will be on their show tomorrow night. Probably just a brief call in interview, I’m guessing.

    OpenHouseParty: @adamlambert on OHP with Kannon this Sunday!
    8:19 AM Nov 25th from Twitterrific

  262. I wonder what their strategy will be with the FYE music video. Maybe I’m just a biased fan, but I think it’s a hella cool video. That choreographed middle part where Adam works the dancers on invisible puppet strings is really visually compelling and totally rewatchworthy. And the wailing while holding his pimp cane aloft makes me LOL but in a good way (SPAAAARRRTTTAAAAAA!)

    This is the kind of video that makes me wish that MTV hadn’t dumped actual music for reality fare. Do people even watch music video channels any more?

    This video was excellently directed. It looks awesome. However, the choreographer for the ama’s??? I hope Adam never uses her again. I think walking all over that scaffolding was not a good idea….I hope some really great choreographer decides to make him their project.

  263. He’s only a trailblazer in the sense that he’s openly gay and even that is a stretch.

    And by that fact alone he is blazing a trail. He is the first male – possibly female, don’t remember when Melissa Etheridge came out – trying to appeal to the mainstream audience who has admitted he was gay at the start of his career. He is also trying to forge his career on the mainstream stage by embracing the glam world. Both things will cause some folks to face their biases before even listening to him perform, much less purchasing his CD. Like Randy Travis (who is widely rumored by many to be gay BTW) they will want to stop at the black fingernail polish and not listen to the tremendous voice that is capable of expanding their horizons.

  264. I wonder what their strategy will be with the FYE music video. Maybe I’m just a biased fan, but I think it’s a hella cool video. That choreographed middle part where Adam works the dancers on invisible puppet strings is really visually compelling and totally rewatchworthy. And the wailing while holding his pimp cane aloft makes me LOL but in a good way (SPAAAARRRTTTAAAAAA!)

    This is the kind of video that makes me wish that MTV hadn’t dumped actual music for reality fare. Do people even watch music video channels any more?

    Youuuuutuuuuubeeeee. Haha I don’t think you’re just a biased fan, the video was pretty damn cool. You know the video’s good when ppl who hate Adam grudgingly admit that it’s okay! And I read lots of comments to that effect when the video first came out.

  265. Nice to see Susan Boyle doing well. I hope she can handle the success.

    Apparently she was seen sucking her thumb yesterday….it’s true, I saw a picture.

  266. If Adam can generate a hit song or two from this record then he’ll be fine. If not, then the album will lose steam fairly quickly. I predict the same fate for SuBo.

  267. If they play WWFM again tonight, and tomorrow too, since Adam is on-then the total spins would really go up and move the song up on the charts.
    That song just seems so natural to hear on the radio-it just fits!

    and it grabs you. Some of my coworkers have heard it and now we all go around throwing “Whatya Want From Me!” into everyday conversation.

  268. If Adam can generate a hit song or two from this record then he’ll be fine. If not, then the album will lose steam fairly quickly. I predict the same fate for SuBo.

    This! It’s crucial for Adam to have a hit single or he’s over by the end of the next AI season. SuBo’s a bit of a unique case but her next album definitely won’t be selling like hotcakes again unless she has killer original songs on it.

  269. They both loved the fall and recovery, though! :) They made me run it in slomo 3 times!

    The funny thing is that most of the dancers seemed to be rolling around on the floor anyway, so Adam just fit right in! :)

  270. Adam is steadily getting new followers on his twitter.
    Before AMA, the number is around 220 K, now more than a quater million.

    I actually follow Adam’s Twitter numbers pretty clsoely. He was 234,000 before the AMAs and is now over 250,000. So he’s picked up about 16,000 in less than a week. Very good!
    Sherena, you know the song, so you can’t judge. I agree the vocal was way bad. Show the TV version, if you DVrd it, to someone who absolutely does not know the song. See what they say.

  271. It better be overseas because after the AMA’s and enjoying be peed on.Don’t think many straight guys will go see him live.Could be lots of breakups over it.

    steve: This isn’t the first time you have made the comment that straight guys won’t go see him live. That’s very old fashioned thinking. Enjoying being peed on? I guess you didn’t read all of the twitters posted here. Ridiculous!

    Regarding SuBo she’s already guaranteed gold which is huge for a newbie so even if her sales drop off to nothing she’s done very, very well. The article about her crying was misleading. I think she was overwhelmed by the quilt that her fans presented her with and sticking her thumb in her mouth was apparently a joke. The newspaper sensationalized her actions. That being said, she is rather fragile and needs to be handled with kid gloves. I’m very surprised at her success, not something I would participate in but she is just as deserving as any other reality show contestant.

  272. If Adam can generate a hit song or two from this record then he’ll be fine. If not, then the album will lose steam fairly quickly. I predict the same fate for SuBo.

    I don’t know Hollygo9, those songs on the Subo album were already hits. Well, many of them. Not sure about the Patty Griffin one…(I love Patty but she has WAY better songs than that.) I don’t think it’s going to work the same way for SuBo….and anyway if her album loses steam at this point…she’s already done pretty well.

  273. Gay supporters? Like they are a herd?

    Actually I believe the correct term is “bevy” or “harem” ;-)

  274. The funny thing is that most of the dancers seemed to be rolling around on the floor anyway, so Adam just fit right in!

    Yes! Which is why I was not convinced, at first, that it was a fall!
    Ninja Roll FTW!

  275. Sherena, you know the song, so you can’t judge. I agree the vocal was way bad. Show the TV version, if you DVrd it, to someone who absolutely does not know the song. See what they say.

    One of my friends who doesn’t know the song watched the AMA’s…told me Adam’s voice was terrible, which made me sad, but she’s definitely the blunt, honest type who doesn’t spare my feelings. I made her listen to Mad World on Regis&Kelly to prove that Adam CAN sing, and she said it was “better” lol

  276. If they play WWFM again tonight, and tomorrow too, since Adam is on-then the total spins would really go up and move the song up on the charts.
    That song just seems so natural to hear on the radio-it just fits!

    and it grabs you. Some of my coworkers have heard it and now we all go around throwing ‘Whatya Want From Me!’  into everyday conversation.

    I love WWFM, but it is not the song my kids tell me to play over and over again in the car…the songs they request are Fever, Pick U up, Master Plan and If I had You.

  277. Youuuuutuuuuubeeeee. Haha I don’t think you’re just a biased fan, the video was pretty damn cool. You know the video’s good when ppl who hate Adam grudgingly admit that it’s okay! And I read lots of comments to that effect when the video first came out.

    Thanks for letting me know that I have at least a tiny shred of objectivity left, LOL! I missed the initial video flail, and now I’m kinda regretting it — oh real life, you can be so inconvenient sometimes!

    That’s a good point about youtube. Put an authorized version up with one of those purchase pop ups youtube uses now, and maybe you really could drive some single sales through a secondary source like youtube. Probably not a ton, but every little bit helps. I’m sure some people would rip a digital copy for free from it, but those who do probably wouldn’t have bought it anyway.

  278. Today my brother said something absolutely hilarious. He said that Susan Boyle was taking losing better than Adam since she didn’t feel the need to get on stage and give an F U to haters like Adam did at the AMAs. I had to chuckle, since she only had a nervous breakdown when she lost.

    This is truly hilarious! You are so right! lol

    I thought SuBo did tell someone quite publicly to F-off or something similar?

  279. I love Fever too-but I think it needs to wait to be released. The gender specific lyric would be too much right now IMHO. I find it frustrating that this would be an issue, but I really think it would. A music video for fever would also be a tough sell.

  280. Awesome re: Carrie—another week over 100K.

    It looks like AL’s first week will be stronger than I had guessed, based on single sales and what data we had as to itunes preorders. We’ll never know how much of that is due to the AMAs controversy and ensuing news explosion, but I’m going to go with what Billboard said and suspect that at least some of that increased sales is due to the controversy. Still, breaking 200K for your first week in this market is good for just about any artist. Yes, he will have a drop this week—on top of the typical second week drop that pretty much every artist suffers, just about every artist (second week or not) will have a drop next week due to being the week after Black Friday. Typically, CDs will grow again after that, which is when we’ll see what the legs are for the various albums that dropped the last two weeks.

    Re: Amazon MP3: I feel quite confident that the Amazon MP3s count. Set aside that we’ve seen multiple HDD estimates for other artists that directly referenced an artist’s MP3 albums being on supersale at Amazon as part of the reason why that artist was selling well, the document on which the person who started the rumor that those discounted MP3s did not count misread it. The “50% rule” was solely applied to hard copies, and the rules for digital downloads were completely separate and did not have a pricing rule. Let me put it this way: what basis is there for claiming that discounted digital downloads don’t count?

    To the extent that the discounted Amazon MP3s count, of course it makes a difference. It has made a difference for other artists in regular weeks, and there has been a ton of promo for these MP3 sales. I’ve gotten an email a day from Amazon re: various sales, and those have directly referenced the MP3 sales. So, if anything, the sale will have a bigger impact than usual.

    That said, it seems to me to overstate things to claim that AL has done this well or even largely because of the Amazon MP3 sale. It’s a bigger player for digital albums than I think that people give it credit for. [As I understand it, Amazon MP3 has a better share for albums vs. singles, where itunes continues to dominate.] But still: I suspect that 90% or more of his sales are from elsewhere.

  281. It better be overseas because after the AMA’s and enjoying be peed on.Don’t think many straight guys will go see him live.Could be lots of breakups over it.

    Well, if they didn’t break up with their girlfriends and wives over having to see Titanic, The Notebook and Sex And The City at the cinema multiple times, I doubt they’d break up over accompanying their significant others to an Adam concert.

    It’s his blindness that sells. Andrea Bocelli isn’t a great singer, he has a nice voice, that’s about it.

    Huh? Maybe for the first album but over and over again, and at numerous sold out concerts?

  282. I dont care how well Adam sings it, I hate WWFM. LOL. But apparently, its getting a better response on radio than FYE, so Im all for RCA pushing it.

    The only ballad I like from the album is SOAKED. Absolute beauty and the vocals..chillz.

    I prefer Adam’s uptempo stuff like Fever, Strut, If I had you, Music Again, etc.

    Ultimately, I just want Adam to be heard on radio. Is that too much to ask for?

  283. I don’t know Hollygo9, those songs on the Subo album were already hits. Well, many of them.

    SuBo’s done amazingly. I’m floored by her opening week numbers. I’m just saying that without hit songs on the radio/tv, you lose the ability to entice new buyers after the initial wave hits.

  284. We had 2 long drives this holiday weekend and listened to FYE cd a lot. The most surprising thing to me was that the one song my 9yo wanted repeated CONSTANTLY was FYE – he says its his absolute favorite (and no, I have not let him watch either the AMA perf or the FYE video). The weirdest thing was that whenever SFW came on (my favorite) my 6yo, who has autism, would put his hands over his ears and scream to turn off the music. Don’t know what to make of either of these reactions LOL

  285. Adam’s trail, if indeed he becomes the international pop-rock singer/sex symbol that I think he is destined to be, has not been blazed, IMHO.

    Has there been another openly-gay-from-the-get-go international pop-rock singer/sex symbol that I’ve missed?

    Happy Trails, Adam.

  286. I am sure Adam is thrilled with those numbers and I would guess RCA are also.

    I doubt it. In order for RCA to recoup their investment on Adam, they need him to at least go platinum. At that point they might break even.

    It’s an easy – but misguided – comparison to make, to put Adam against any other new artist. Other new artists don’t get hundreds of thousands of dollars to make an album, and teams of stylists and managers and PR people all working on their behalf, and expensive choreographers, and glitzy music videos.

    All that stuff costs money and has to be recouped. And now it seems that they completely wasted all the money on the FYE video and will have to start again with a new one. Plus, almost every Idol does worse on their second album, so RCA has to cash in now.

    200K would be amazing for a new artist. But for the supposed “ZOMG!! Most talented ever!! Idol” whose label has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, it’s just OK. (Actually given the insane hype and PR, I personally think it’s less than OK but that’s a subjective opinion). What’s not subjective is that without a radio hit, there’s only the prospect of sales falling off fast.

    Taylor Hicks and Bo Bice both sold well over 200K in their first weeks and neither are international superstars now.

  287. FYI coming home from dinner ..just heard on xm20on20 – FYE! So someone is requesting this = maybe there’s still life in this song

  288. I doubt it. In order for RCA to recoup their investment on Adam, they need him to at least go platinum. At that point they might break even.

    Thanks for telling us all we need to know about Adam’s doom. And all you needed to see were first week sales, and a crystal ball perhaps?

  289. Adam’s performance of Music Again on the Early Show just grabbed me and made me love that song. I keep watching that video over and over again. I love how he looked so happy with that huge gorgeous smile throughout the entire performance. It kind of reminded me of the way he looked while performing Play That Funky Music.

  290. Adam’s performance of Music Again on the Early Show just grabbed me and made me love that song.

    Me, too! Unil then it wasn’t one of my favorites on the album. I guess these TV appearances do work!

  291. 200K would be amazing for a new artist. But for the supposed ‘ZOMG!! Most talented ever!! Idol’  whose label has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, it’s just OK. (Actually given the insane hype and PR, I personally think it’s less than OK but that’s a subjective opinion). What’s not subjective is that without a radio hit, there’s only the prospect of sales falling off fast.

    Taylor Hicks and Bo Bice both sold well over 200K in their first weeks and neither are international superstars now.

    Different music industry back then. Adam is selling about as much as Gaga and Rihanna, two of the biggest stars in pop who’ve probably gotten way more investment than Adam. There’s no way 200k is a disappointing opening week, especially when it’s clear that this year’s Idol crop just isn’t translating into sales like last year’s– see Kris’ 80k debut.

  292. 200K would be amazing for a new artist. But for the supposed ‘ZOMG!! Most talented ever!! Idol’  whose label has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, it’s just OK. (Actually given the insane hype and PR, I personally think it’s less than OK but that’s a subjective opinion). What’s not subjective is that without a radio hit, there’s only the prospect of sales falling off fast.

    …..and the biggest part of the PR was to be the fiasco known as the AMA’s. There were no doubt some sales from the attention given to it but it will never be known how many were lost. Why is SueBo selling so many? Her story and her voice. Adam has a story. Adam has a voice. Too bad he chose not to use the voice instead of the mess that was FYE. IMO if Adam had gone out there and had a MadWorld moment, people would have been rushing out to buy the CD in droves. SueBo numbers? Maybe not, but I do believe they would be a lot more than they’re going to be. The AMA’s were a lost opportunity for Adam and one he’ll not get back.

  293. I doubt it. In order for RCA to recoup their investment on Adam, they need him to at least go platinum. At that point they might break even.

    That’s only true if they’re recouping their investment only through album sales. The money isn’t in album sales, it’s in merchandise and touring.

    Oh and also, link to source stating how much they’ve invested in Adam, please :)

  294. Adam’s performance of Music Again on the Early Show just grabbed me and made me love that song.

    I agree. For whatever reason, I had doubts that song would work LIVE, but it did-(except for that bum note)

  295. Q3 is #2 -#5 still considered ‘good’ ?

    Top 20 is considered good, #2 to #5 will exceed expectations SUBSTANTIALLY.

    great.

    I hated SuBo ever since I saw the audition.I don’t get it.

  296. I am no music critic (just a person who loves music) and what little I know about “the music business” I’ve only learned here, but as very nice as it seemed to me both Taylor Hicks and Bo Bice were, and pleasant enough to listen to as well (mostly), I never thought of either of them having international appeal or any “it” factor, to speak of.

    (I think Adam has both.)

  297. IMO if Adam had gone out there and had a MadWorld moment, people would have been rushing out to buy the CD in droves.

    I’ve been thinking about that. If Adam had gone out and done some beautiful ballad would he had have the same kind of buzz. In retrospect I really don’t think so. The AMA’s are not that kind of a show. I think that by creating the stir he did, it made other people more cognizant of him. I mean Kelly went out there and Slayed, I mean absolutely the best of the evening, she should have been the water cooler moment, but she wasn’t. She was at the AMA’s and that is more about spectacle than beautiful vocals. I think he got exactly the perfect mileage from the show, especially if people followed it up by checking out the performances from The Early Show and Letterman. They saw an a couple of different takes on him.

  298. The AMA’s were a lost opportunity for Adam and one he’ll not get back.

    Nope. but there will be other opportunities. People screw up sometimes. Thats what humans do, but you pick yourself back up and keep moving forward. It looks like Adam is going to outsell the winner 3 to 1. That’s nothing to sneeze about.

    PLUS, billboard and other music outlets are saying Adam is outpeforming so its only certain people inside the Idol bubble that expected Adam to sell a million records in a week. The real world did not and they count more in my opinion.

  299. I doubt it. In order for RCA to recoup their investment on Adam, they need him to at least go platinum. At that point they might break even.

    Adam’s going to sell enough T-shirts at his first couple of concerts to recoup the cost of that video. Peanuts in the master plan. RCA knows what they’re doing.

    LOL… I mean really LOL… the wisdom of us all sometimes!

  300. IMO if Adam had gone out there and had a MadWorld moment, people would have been rushing out to buy the CD in droves.

    IMO if Adam had gone out there and sung in tune, people would have been rushing out to buy the CD in droves.

  301. Q3 is #2 -#5 still considered ‘good’ ?

    Top 20 is considered good, #2 to #5 will exceed expectations SUBSTANTIALLY.

    Yup!!!!

  302. Oh and also, link to source stating how much they’ve invested in Adam, please

    It’s hard to get actual figures but Blake Lewis blogged a few years back that his video cost $250,000. And it had three people in it if I recall correctly and his friend directed it. I’d say the FYE video had to cost alot more than that. So far starters throw about $350K plus into the cost of the album.

    In addition, hot producers usually charge in the hundreds of thousands to produce tracks for albums. I’m not saying that’s what RCA paid. But I’ve seen that number mentioned for other artists.

    And labels can still make $ from selling albums. The artists usually don’t and have to rely on merchandise and touring. Unless they have new fangled deals where they also have to kick some of that $ back to the label. Again, I have no idea with Adam has this kind of deal.

  303. ‘ ¦..and the biggest part of the PR was to be the fiasco known as the AMA’s.

    Not everyone thinks it was a fiasco. Also, I don’t get the comparisons between Adam and Susan. They are not remotely similar as singers/performers and they weren’t even on the same show! They just happened to release their cd’s at the same time, right??? I could really care less how Susan Boyle does relative to Adam. Adam in terms of an AI runner-up has done very well! And good for Susan Boyle on her success.

    Adam didn’t want to do a “Mad World” number on the AMA’s. He certainly had plenty of choices from the beautiful ballads on his CD. But he sang a song that fit in with the type of show he was doing. Actually, I am glad Adam chose FYE for the AMA’s. It is too bad that his vocal wasn’t great tho. However, he was AWESOME on David Letterman and really good on CBS too. Can’t wait to see him on Ellen. He has a chance to introduce himself to some potentially new fans and I’m sure he will be great.

    “The AMA’s were a lost opportunity for Adam and one he’ll not get back.”

    I don’t see it that way. If he hadn’t shown up, then I’d agree. Be he was there
    and did his thing. People definitely noticed him.

  304. And labels can still make $ from selling albums.

    They can but to expect someone to recoup all costs JUST from selling albums is a bit too much, imo. Whether it’s Adam or Kris (b/c Kris’ video had to cost more than Blake’s too, and he had top notch producers too).

  305. I think FYEwas the perfect song for the AMA’s. He just needed to have executed it better. Killer choreography with a killer vocal would have been a one/two punch. When I watch the FYE music video, it makes me sad they didn’t do choreography more like that.

    “Can’t wait to see him on Ellen. He has a chance to introduce himself to some potentially new fans and I’m sure he will be great.”

    Yes, to this! Ellen has millions of fans and by the time she is done interviewing Adam, with her humor, people will be wondering what the big fuss was about!

  306. that’s funny because when I talked to Blake Lewis when he did his small tour, He was very congenial and when discussing this tour, etc. he said the vid cost him$100,000.00 or at least that was the bill his mgt sent him…

  307. It’s hard to get actual figures but Blake Lewis blogged a few years aback that his video cost $250,000. And it had three people in it if I recall correctly and his friend directed it. I’d say the FYE video had to cost alot more than that. So far starters throw about $350K into the cost of the album.

    Kris is really in trouble then. It cost big bucks to haul all that stuff (including the lighted hollywood squares and a grand piano) out to the desert. And “his friend” didn’t direct the video. Kris needs to sell alot more albums.

  308. “Taylor Hicks and Bo Bice both sold well over 200K in their first weeks and neither are international superstars now.”

    Please tell me, exactly how many International Superstars do RCA already have. Not too many as far as I know. Who knows what the future holds for Adam Lambert. His album was only released a week ago, so maybe before we have RCA sending him a bill for services rendered, could we possibly wait maybe a month to see how good the sales are. Adam has gotten a lot of publicity, but a lot of it has been generated free of charge. As for making the album, stylist, choreographers and other expenses, I will assume RCA has a budget for Adam and when he reaches his limit, they will let him know. RCA is not just throwing money around on a whim, maybe they are getting good reports about Adam’s potential to make money with album sells and future concerts. As a Adam fan, I am just going to sit back and enjoy his music and hopefully see him in concert.

  309. I’ve been thinking about that. If Adam had gone out and done some beautiful ballad would he had have the same kind of buzz. In retrospect I really don’t think so. The AMA’s are not that kind of a show. I think that by creating the stir he did, it made other people more cognizant of him. I mean Kelly went out there and Slayed, I mean absolutely the best of the evening, she should have been the water cooler moment, but she wasn’t. She was at the AMA’s and that is more about spectacle than beautiful vocals. I think he got exactly the perfect mileage from the show, especially if people followed it up by checking out the performances from The Early Show and Letterman. They saw an a couple of different takes on him.

    But Kelly didn’t close the show. She was stuck somewhere in the middle.

    IMO if Adam had gone out there and sung in tune, people would have been rushing out to buy the CD in droves.

    That would have helped immensely but he chose to go for the shock rather than concentrate on the voice, the voice that got him noticed on AI and won him many fans. The voice would have won him many more fans on the AMA’s as well IMO but we all know what he went for instead. I’m still shocked that 19/RCA let him do it.

  310. They can but to expect someone to recoup all costs JUST from selling albums is a bit too much, imo. Whether it’s Adam or Kris or anyone.

    Well you can add singles, ringtones, etc but how else do labels make money. Merchandise and touring is primarily how the artist makes $ They make very little from the sale of the albums or single.

    I know with sales down that labels are now trying to get in on the merchandise/touring $ as well though.

  311. It’s his blindness that sells. Andrea Bocelli isn’t a great singer, he has a nice voice, that’s about it.

    He has a song in the Jim Carrey Disney movie “A Christmas Carol” which is out in theaters now. Bocelli sings “God Bless Us Everyone.” It’s the closing credits song. I liked it well enough. You can hear it below. It was written for the movie and could be up for an Oscar.

    http://incontention.com/?p=17079

  312. I think he got exactly the perfect mileage from the show, especially if people followed it up by checking out the performances from The Early Show and Letterman. They saw an a couple of different takes on him.

    This could be the one positive that Adam and his fans can take from the AMA evening. I’m sure it did generate interest (whether good or bad) in this new, young artist to the point where people most likely will tune in to see him again. I remember how interested I became after seeing him perform one song on Idol. I started googling everything I could find on Adam Lambert. I look forward to all these “new” people getting to know the many faces of Adam!

  313. I’m very impressed with Carrie’s sales – any other artist would love to have opening numbers of 100K+ and this is her 3rd week out, right?

    Also very happy with Adam’s numbers, the haters may spin it down as creatively as they want, but 200K+ is still 200K+ sales. As an Adam fan, couldn’t be happier right now!

  314. Question: What stations will Susan Boyles songs play on. Lets say Wild Horses or I Dreamed a Dream. Wondering if they are even thinking in terms of single sales with her. Anyone know?

  315. Ellen has millions of fans and by the time she is done interviewing Adam, with her humor, people will be wondering what the big fuss was about!</blockquote

    I love Ellen and cannot wait!

  316. I don’t think the AMA performance was a “lost opportunity” at all.

    Adam’s AMA performance was the most talked about performance of the night – NOT because he wasn’t vocally perfect and NOT because he fell. Both are true, but that’s not why people talked . . . and talked and talked.

    The buzz is because he expressed HIS sexuality HIS way in the performance. And everyone, even – no ESPECIALLY – the haterz (and by that I don’t mean people who legitimately don’t like his voice, etc., but real homophobes) – immediately KNEW that was different than anything they’d seen before at an awards show and that it took . . . “it” to do it (balls, vision, a possibly unhealthy high risk tolerance – something).

    It was ROF X 10. It was Rolling Stone X 10.

    It would’ve been nice if he’d been perfect. I wouldn’t have had a small heart attack if he hadn’t fallen.

    But, I don’t think it mattered much. The mission was accomplished, I think. He’s who almost everyone is talking about as he begins the rounds of radio interviews, TV appearances, his CD’s first week, etc.

    Just as he went right from Idol to Rolling Stone to say who he was as an artist and a person, he went right from Rolling Stone (and other mags) to performing the closing and most talked about number at the AMA to declare that as a performer he WILL give his audience a helluva show.

    He vastly entertained me.

  317. I doubt it. In order for RCA to recoup their investment on Adam, they need him to at least go platinum. At that point they might break even.

    It’s an easy ‘“ but misguided ‘“ comparison to make, to put Adam against any other new artist. Other new artists don’t get hundreds of thousands of dollars to make an album, and teams of stylists and managers and PR people all working on their behalf, and expensive choreographers, and glitzy music videos.

    RCA will be most pleased with 200K first week out sales. They know the game because they’re in it every day. They don’t just read blogs about it.

  318. Question: What stations will Susan Boyles songs play on. Lets say Wild Horses or I Dreamed a Dream. Wondering if they are even thinking in terms of single sales with her. Anyone know?

    I don’t know but when I was in Barnes and Noble her CD was playing…song after song after song. It reminded me of being at the dentist when I was a little kid…the first time I heard Musac (sp?) that is what it sounds like to me.

  319. RCA will be most pleased with 200K first week out sales. They know the game because they’re in it every day. They don’t just read blogs about it.

    oooo zsus, **snaps** :-)

  320. I don’t know much about the music business but I am assuming any artist starting out has to be “fronted” by his or her label in order to pay for the expense of the tour. Of course the initial money is paid back from the proceeds with an additional percentage going to the label as part of the business agreement. And if the tour is successful everyone gets their cut and goes home happy. Is this basically how it works?

  321. I think FYE would have been fine with great vocals, and better choreography, i.e., less of it. In the video, Adam is at the center with people dancing around him, and him dancing in place. It was plenty sexy. I think he could have gotten plenty of “buzz” with that and The Kiss. The simulated BJ was unnecessary, IMO, as a buzz generator.

    Yes, he was great on the Early Show and Letterman, they have had a much smaller audience.

    So I see the AMAs as a mixed bag at best. Generated a lot of buzz, but as much negative buzz about his performance as the sexual antics. He’s such a terrific singer, there was no reason to make him move all over and up and down the stage and risk a bad vocal.

    I think Adam will do just fine, but first impressions count, and that one wasn’t the best one he could have made.

  322. Kate8, I thought I read that in addition to blurring the oral sex portion, I read here at MJ’s that for the West Coast feed, they auto-tuned the vocals to sound like they were in tune. That would explain why your family didn’t hear all the off-key notes, better than assuming unfamiliarity was the cause. Off key stuff is usually obvious to a trained ear – it can rarely be mistaken for an okay but unexpected note. It is painful to hear, as his numerous bum notes were.

    I personally fall into the camp that feels the controversy increased his sales considerably. Especially if for many, they got the edited and auto-tuned version. They would not have been offended or put off, and would buy. Then others would buy to support the ‘victim’ he portrayed himself as, never mind that what was censored was subject to revisionist history and distortion. Only some east coast people who saw the unedited version would hold back. YMMV, and I realize we’ll never know.

    I guess I assume this by the fact that the fye song, the subject of the controversy, shot up a lot after the AMA show. In the absence of radio play, it had been dead in the water. I think album sales were significantly affected as well.

  323. Re: Adam’s vocals at the AMA’s …. I thought someone who was there, said they weren’t that bad.

  324. Two other thoughts. Someone commented he should get a better choreographer next time, but I seem to recall this was a BIG name person. Maybe Lady Gaga’s choreographer? I forget, but at the time this person was trumpeted as one of the best of the best. Maybe they tried too much in this case, but it was a name person.

    Second, the other reason I think the sales are from the AMA controversy is that at least on iTunes, there was not a discernible bump from the Early Show or Letterman, especially not for the songs he sang on the show. Perhaps those helped the album stay somewhat high, but they did not drive it up further. All evidence points to the AMA controversy being the source of the big sales.

  325. Susan Boyle is like the Pet Rock phenomenon of the 70’s. People are buying her because she’s trendy and everyone’s talking about her. The more she sells, the more she sells. She doesn’t need a hit single or radio play because she’s a fad. She’s a 40-something year old woman who looks and dresses like she’s 70, with a pleasant voice and zero stage presence, musical skills, or ability to interpret a song. The people promoting her are well-aware of this, and that’s why they are marketing her like a Snuggli – cheaply. She’s an “As Seen on TV” product. I’m happy that she’s going to have a decent life for herself after this. But, no. She’s no star.

  326. Jus’ wanna say that “Soaked” is one of the prettiest songs I’ve heard in a good long while.

  327. Two other thoughts. Someone commented he should get a better choreographer next time, but I seem to recall this was a BIG name person. Maybe Lady Gaga’s choreographer?

    Lady Gag’s mv ((for Bad Romance I think) director also directed the mv for FYE. I don’t know anything about the choreographer for the AMA’s…..

  328. YMMV, and I realize we’ll never know.

    You’re right, we never will. I wish there was a way to go back and see what would have happened. I think it would be extremely interesting.

  329. IndyMuse
    11/28/2009 at 10:52 pm

    Kate8, I thought I read that in addition to blurring the oral sex portion, I read here at MJ’s that for the West Coast feed, they auto-tuned the vocals to sound like they were in tune. That would explain why your family didn’t hear all the off-key notes, better than assuming unfamiliarity was the cause. Off key stuff is usually obvious to a trained ear ‘“ it can rarely be mistaken for an okay but unexpected note. It is painful to hear, as his numerous bum notes were.

    I personally fall into the camp that feels the controversy increased his sales considerably. Especially if for many, they got the edited and auto-tuned version. They would not have been offended or put off, and would buy. Then others would buy to support the ‘victim’ he portrayed himself as, never mind that what was censored was subject to revisionist history and distortion. Only some east coast people who saw the unedited version would hold back. YMMV, and I realize we’ll never know.

    Wow, auto-tuned his performance…. really. So let me get this straight they couldn’t move away from unquestionable images even with a 10 sec delay but were able to take the taped version of the AMA’s rush it through auto tuning processing and edit scenes all in less then 2 hours. Why? To bad they stopped with Adam and did not do it for Rhianna and Whitney, because honestly they needed it more. I won’t even comment on the victim accusation because that is so subjective. I am happy that you clarified at the end that all your accusations, conjectures and outlandish comments were just YMMV. Mine is completely the opposite. I guess I am buying his cd and your not. IMHO I think I am getting the better end of the deal.

  330. I think the head to crotch-ish area move was an important part of the performance, in the big picture. I think it ALL had significance, the stuff with the guys and the stuff with the girls (you know, as much significance as pop culture can have).

    Adam put it all out there . . . or, at least, quite a bit out there. I felt like he made a point, and that it fit the song. The whole thing was kind of “rough,” in a lot of ways.

    He’s warned some (this might not be for you), and interested others.

    Isn’t it possible that he’s willing to have a good (possibly huge) career making calls that he’s excited about rather than have a career that felt too compromising and self-censoring to him?

    I mean, whatever happens, he’s lightyears away from where he was a year ago, isn’t he?

  331. I think the head to crotch-ish area move was an important part of the performance, in the big picture. I think it ALL had significance, the stuff with the guys and the stuff with the girls (you know, as much significance as pop culture can have).

    Seriously? You’re serious about this? What possible significance in pop culture could a bj have during a a singing performance?

  332. Just a heads up if you are planning to listen to OHP tomorow to hear Adam’s interview. When Kris was on OHP awhile back, he didn’t come on until at least 3 hours into the show — and then they broke the (pre-recorded) interview into a bunch of like 20 seconds segments — 1 question, then play another 10 songs and run a bunch of commercials — 1 question, then some more sngs and commercials. It was EXTREMELY annoying to say the least. And the actual questions were totall lame. So don’t be surprised if the same thing happens with Adam — you may have to listen for hours and hear a bunch of (IMO) crap songs before then get around to playing Adam’s interview (which will likely be pre-recorded).

    It’s still good publicity for Adam since it’s a big syndicated radio show — it’s just frustrating to listen to!

  333. Susan Boyle is like the Pet Rock phenomenon of the 70’s. People are buying her because she’s trendy and everyone’s talking about her. The more she sells, the more she sells. She doesn’t need a hit single or radio play because she’s a fad.

    Not to be snarky or anything but all of that could be applied to Adam too. I understand people may not get the appeal of Susan Boyle, but she is a runner up on a cheesy talent show just like Adam. Trying to act haughty about Adam’s talent compared to Susan is a bit ridiculous. Both right now could be flash in the pans or have a long career.

  334. gangreen29
    11/28/2009 at 11:16 pm

    Susan Boyle is like the Pet Rock phenomenon of the 70’s. People are buying her because she’s trendy and everyone’s talking about her. The more she sells, the more she sells. She doesn’t need a hit single or radio play because she’s a fad.

    Not to be snarky or anything but all of that could be applied to Adam too. I understand people may not get the appeal of Susan Boyle, but she is a runner up on a cheesy talent show just like Adam. Trying to act haughty about Adam’s talent compared to Susan is a bit ridiculous. Both right now could be flash in the pans or have a long career.

    Gangreen29 there is not much I agree with you on but I have to say this post I am in agreement on some level. Though I tend to think Adam to be more viable when all things are considered. I wish them both long careers because that mean they are making someone happy and bringing enjoyment which IMHO is needed more in this world.

  335. Okay, i’m a bit scared to respond, to be honest – you scare me, Clearone, okay? i’m new to this . . .

    but, well, yes i am serious. (sorry.)

    I look at it this way: kisses are sexy, but they don’t suggest/simulate sex ncecessarily. A lot of performers do dance moves that do. And Adam’s song is about sex on one level, so i think he wanted to do dance moves that simulated/suggested sex, too . . . on his terms.

    also, i maintain the move suggested more than simulated anything . . .

    (frankly, and – god- i’ll have to go hide after i post this because i know you’ll think i’m so crazy, but Adam’s on utube doing a dance move to “kiss and tell” that i think would have been considered even MORE over the top, so to speak – and i expect and look forward to seeing it as his concerts when he’s on tour.)

    don’t all go look at once, though, ESPECIALLY if the AMA offended you . . .really, you’ll just be looking for trouble . . . (are u looking?)

  336. Not to be snarky or anything but all of that could be applied to Adam too. I understand people may not get the appeal of Susan Boyle, but she is a runner up on a cheesy talent show just like Adam. Trying to act haughty about Adam’s talent compared to Susan is a bit ridiculous. Both right now could be flash in the pans or have a long career.

    Yes, Adam’s numbers are good, but they are in line with other artists releasing this week. He’s not blowing anyone out of the water. Adam’s numbers are also somewhat in line with David Cook’s debut numbers (although Cook sold more).

    SoBo is blowing everyone out of the water and it’s an album of covers. I just don’t see the two as being comparable. Her compelling story is what is selling her album, IMHO.

    ETA-It seems like Adam is selling like a typical Idol winner/runner up. Kris is the one not selling like a typical idol winner/runner up.

  337. Okay, i’m a bit scared to respond, to be honest ‘“ you scare me, Clearone, okay? i’m new to this . . .

    Sorry I don’t mean to be scary but I honestly don’t understand your logic. That’s okay because many (most) don’t understand mine!

    don’t all go look at once, though, ESPECIALLY if the AMA offended you . . .really, you’ll just be looking for trouble . . . (are u looking?)

    Nope…don’t need any trouble! :) I’m still trying to get over the AMA’s.

  338. Since Susan Boyle is so successful maybe they should have a version of American Idol for contestants 30 and over.

  339. don’t all go look at once, though, ESPECIALLY if the AMA offended you . . .really, you’ll just be looking for trouble . . . (are u looking?)

    Don’t have to look…know exactly what your talking about…seen it many times.

  340. I was at the AMA show, and then watched it on TV a couple hours later. They did NOT auto-tune or otherwise manipulate his voice. His voice actually sounded very good at the beginning and end. In the middle it was more inconsistent and more so after the “ninja roll.”

    My adult kids like the song and so do the ladies where I bank (and the only version they heard was on AMA).

    I think that ABC or the AMA producer is very culpable in this whole fiasco. They hyped his performance up ridiculously – I mean, we only found out last week he was CLOSING the show. So much pressure for him to knock it out of the park. But they KNEW about most of the sexual moves – the “trolly stop” thing, the leashes – that was all known. What he added were just the man-on-man actions. It is totally discriminatory to single out only those actions as inappropriate, and allow all of the other racy material to fly. He proved his point that night.

    They touted his performance as salacious, but then threw him under the bus (canceling GMA) when he switched it up and “played” with other boys.

    Yes, his performance was kind of manic, too much choreography, inferior singing. But AMA and ABC knew it was going to be a highly sexual performance, and advertised it as such. And if any parents saw any of the rehearsal footage and let their kids watch, I don’t see why a man-on-man kiss or “crotch nuzzle” (East Coast only) is more damaging than the leashes, thrusting etc. not to mention what some of the other performances were. Parents should NOT have been expecting Adam to perform like he did on American Idol, or on a GMA type show. And if parents had a problem with the sexuality, they should definitely not let their kids watch. Personally, I think it’s about time all children are allowed to see that two men can passionately kiss just like a man and woman can.

    I always had strong feelings about gay rights issues, but now I’m feeling so much stronger in my convictions – thank you Adam!

  341. Dhunken, I think we’re both happy with the deal we got. I gave Adam’s CD several chances, as I had liked some of his songs on AI, though not many. I didn’t even find one song I wanted to download. He has a great voice, it is what he chooses to do with it that isn’t my cuppeh. For others it is.

    BTW, I didn’t just make up the auto-tune thing. I am pretty sure I read about it on this very blog from someone who watched the west coast feed. It would not have even occurred to me had I not read about it here.

    I do think Adam was not a victim, as I believe this move was planned by him, at least, and got exactly the desired effect – he has generated tons of press and controversy, which has driven sales. He had to know that stuff would be censored.

    Although I take issue with the loose use of the word censorship. In most countries and in history, censored means you go to jail or are banned from your business over something. In this case, a private company that hired him changed their minds in response to a perceived economic threat to their own business. They also censored it to head off another potential economic threat to their business. He can still perform and take his act elsewhere. Others even can still pay him for it, and pay him well.

  342. Seriously? You’re serious about this? What possible significance in pop culture could a bj have during a a singing performance?

    No significance whatsever. Nor did anything else on the show that night. So what?

  343. Don’t have to look’ ¦know exactly what your talking about’ ¦seen it many times.

    LOL, and hit replay many times. Possibly why I have zero problem with his AMA “moves.”

  344. Kate8
    11/28/2009 at 11:34 pm

    Since Susan Boyle is so successful maybe they should have a version of American Idol for contestants 30 and over.

    Kate8 I don’t know if you are kidding but I think they should….I guess they think they have it with AGT.

  345. leeann
    11/28/2009 at 10:41 pm

    I’m very impressed with Carrie’s sales ‘“ any other artist would love to have opening numbers of 100K+ and this is her 3rd week out, right?

    Also very happy with Adam’s numbers, the haters may spin it down as creatively as they want, but 200K+ is still 200K+ sales. As an Adam fan, couldn’t be happier right now!

    This is Carrie’s 4th week, so breaking 100K is really great.

  346. I just don’t see the two as being comparable. Her compelling story is what is selling her album, IMHO.

    A lot of people just love to listen to her voice, I don’t but I also don’t like listening to Adam’s voice a lot of the time, but I understand that is just my opinion. Also, Adam was on a show that is all backstory. I am not saying it makes up the majority of his sales, or even a lot of his sales, but there are some people who are fans because of his personality and the bravery they feel he has.

  347. I believe the AMA controversy became Adam’s compelling story, and his answer to SuBo’s.

  348. I am pretty sure I read about it on this very blog from someone who watched the west coast feed.

    All I remember was people on the west coast who had to watch via streaming who later watched it on TV said that it was much better than the internet version. Not exactly a shocker.

    ETA: I’m on the west coast and I watched it on ustream then TV later, and I remember mentally agreeing with the commenter that said TV > internet.

  349. Great Post!!!!

    I was at the AMA show, and then watched it on TV a couple hours later. They did NOT auto-tune or otherwise manipulate his voice. His voice actually sounded very good at the beginning and end. In the middle it was more inconsistent and more so after the ‘ninja roll.’ 

    My adult kids like the song and so do the ladies where I bank (and the only version they heard was on AMA).

    I think that ABC or the AMA producer is very culpable in this whole fiasco. They hyped his performance up ridiculously ‘“ I mean, we only found out last week he was CLOSING the show. So much pressure for him to knock it out of the park. But they KNEW about most of the sexual moves ‘“ the ‘trolly stop’  thing, the leashes ‘“ that was all known. What he added were just the man-on-man actions. It is totally discriminatory to single out only those actions as inappropriate, and allow all of the other racy material to fly. He proved his point that night.

    They touted his performance as salacious, but then threw him under the bus (canceling GMA) when he switched it up and ‘played’  with other boys.

    Yes, his performance was kind of manic, too much choreography, inferior singing. But AMA and ABC knew it was going to be a highly sexual performance, and advertised it as such. And if any parents saw any of the rehearsal footage and let their kids watch, I don’t see why a man-on-man kiss or ‘crotch nuzzle’  (East Coast only) is more damaging than the leashes, thrusting etc. not to mention what some of the other performances were. Parents should NOT have been expecting Adam to perform like he did on American Idol, or on a GMA type show. And if parents had a problem with the sexuality, they should definitely not let their kids watch. Personally, I think it’s about time all children are allowed to see that two men can passionately kiss just like a man and woman can.

    I always had strong feelings about gay rights issues, but now I’m feeling so much stronger in my convictions ‘“ thank you Adam!

  350. I also heard they cleaned up Adam’s vocals for the West Coast feed along with the more offensive stuff. The offensive stuff had nothing to do with the kiss. The whole song was portraying sexual violence as the norm. And then Adam coming out and saying it was because he was gay that he was “censored” was really the last straw. The flipping off of the audience really told the tale. Adam was making a statement. He did not like the audience much and he would do what he liked on stage so F*** You. It was calculated and deliberate. The spin afterwards was also a thing of beauty. Poor victim Adam mean TV producers who won’t let him do his sadomasocism on primetime. Sad really.

  351. But Kelly didn’t close the show. She was stuck somewhere in the middle

    Sure, but her ‘post show buzz’ was about how amazing she sounded live and her song got a big boost on iTunes. Which is what everyone was aiming for.

  352. I believe the AMA controversy became Adam’s compelling story, and his answer to SuBo’s.

    Yes, but he is only selling around the same amount as Cook did last year. In fact, he’s selling about 20 percent less than Cook did his debut week, if the current predictions hold. So I don’t know if it was much of an answer to SuBo. But who knows for sure.

  353. BTW, I didn’t just make up the auto-tune thing. I am pretty sure I read about it on this very blog from someone who watched the west coast feed. It would not have even occurred to me had I not read about it here.

    Fair enough! but did the person who posted have a link to an article that this was indeed fact or just spewing their opinion. I read everything connected with Adam and never saw anything like this even suggested. Please if you have a link post it. If it is true I want someone’s job for not doing it for Whitney and Rhianna…. :-)

  354. Wow. Checking in after being gone for the holdiays for a few days. We are still debating/discusing/rehashing the AMAs? Oh boy. What could possibly be said that hasn’t been said on one of the thousands of posts on this topic? I guess I’ll check back in a few more days.

  355. I also heard they cleaned up Adam’s vocals for the West Coast feed along with the more offensive stuff.

    Can any of the people saying this provide an actual source, other than “I heard it on the internet?” Thank you.

  356. It’s his blindness that sells. Andrea Bocelli isn’t a great singer, he has a nice voice, that’s about it.

    Unbelievable…that statement. I s’pose that’s why Stevie Wonder sold/sells so well, too?
    Wow. Just wow.

  357. Well at least we can’t blame American bad taste for SuBo’s popularity.

    She’s blowing up all over the world and will have the #1 album worldwide. Even the “cool” countries are into her. She’ll be platinum after one week based purely on U.S. and British sales. Simon has the international star of his dreams. I don’t get it either but it is a pretty amazing phenomenon.

    And they didn’t even need an expensive video for her. That You Tube clip of her audition has done all the work for them.

  358. It’s his blindness that sells. Andrea Bocelli isn’t a great singer, he has a nice voice, that’s about it.

    Oh crap, why didn’t Scott win this season then?

  359. don’t all go look at once, though, ESPECIALLY if the AMA offended you . . .really, you’ll just be looking for trouble . . . (are u looking?)

    Don’t have to look’ ¦know exactly what your talking about’ ¦seen it many times.

    Me, too.

  360. soverymel
    11/28/2009 at 11:48 pm
    I also heard they cleaned up Adam’s vocals for the West Coast feed along with the more offensive stuff.

    Can any of the people saying this provide an actual source, other than ‘I heard it on the internet?’  Thank you.

    I agree. Provide a legitimate source. Otherwise this is just sloppy reporting and misguided.

  361. Wow. Checking in after being gone for the holdiays for a few days. We are still debating/discusing/rehashing the AMAs? Oh boy. What could possibly be said that hasn’t been said on one of the thousands of posts on this topic? I guess I’ll check back in a few more days.

    Here’s looking forward to Monday for some NEW news!!!! lol :)

  362. Thanks for the smiley, I feel safer.

    I just mean this and then, really, I will shut up, I’m sick of myself already, as Michele Collins would say.

    My thinking is that already people who were freaked out by Adam’s performance are already starting to be . . . de-sensitized to it – both the kiss and the various dance moves.

    I’ve seen comments like, “I’ve rewatched it (a number of times), it’s not that big a whoop” or maybe even “hmm, am i crazy or was that kiss kind of hot?”

    But even if some people still think “gross,” guess what? The next gay male pop-rock singer who closes the AMA’s is gonna have a little easier time! Maybe. That’s all I meant by “significant.” The more you see something, the less strange it seems, of course.

    So, for people who were offended by a lot of the numbers at the AMA’s AND were offended by Adam, that makes sense to me. But people who were ONLY offended by Adam, well – then, on some level, l think this performance had a little something something FOR them, kind of a “handle THAT” moment or too.

    (Thank you all for tolerating and entertaining ME tonight:)

  363. DLee
    11/28/2009 at 11:53 pm

    It’s his blindness that sells. Andrea Bocelli isn’t a great singer, he has a nice voice, that’s about it.

    Oh crap, why didn’t Scott win this season then?

    Best quote of the night. We should probably all give up for the evening. Heh.

  364. “We are still debating/discusing/rehashing the AMAs? Oh boy. What could possibly be said that hasn’t been said on one of the thousands of posts on this topic?”

    IKR? the album is amazing!! Let’s talk about that! Woot!! for good predictions for sales. It’s fun, dancy, rockin’ touching, haunting, all of it. The bonus tracks are great too. I really love Down the Rabbit Hole.

  365. The next gay male pop-rock singer who closes the AMA’s is gonna have a little easier time! Maybe. That’s all I meant by ‘significant.’ 

    Mmm, what if a straight guy closes the AMA with a simulated blow job with some females. And leads them around on leashes and perhaps does a little pretend oral on them. I truly hope you’re not calling for censorship at that point. Because that would be wrong.

    Next year’s AMA should be awesome. :)

  366. All I saw was posts here, not anything in the news. My source is people’s impressions on this blog, and it wasn’t coming from anyone known to bait. I am frankly too tired to look up the posts. I will say that some can hear even pretty well-done auto-tune where others can’t detect it.

    My other evidence is someone who heard it on the west coast feed whil in California and on DVR at home on the east coast and they sounded completely different.

  367. My thinking is that already people who were freaked out by Adam’s performance are already starting to be . . . de-sensitized to it ‘“ both the kiss and the various dance moves.

    Well this is true in my sister’s case. She was not a fan of Adam or AI but knew that I was. She watched the AMA’s and was like “this is the singer you like so much?” She was offended, which was actually kind of funny, because she is younger than me and I never expected that reaction.

    Then I few days later when I talked to her she calmed down a lot. She decided it was not that big of a deal. She was also impressed with the interviews he gave afterwards and pleased that he did not apologize. What the heck, that was kind of a 180.

    But she is still not a fan. Not yet. :)

  368. IndyMuse
    11/29/2009 at 12:01 am
    All I saw was posts here, not anything in the news. My source is people’s impressions on this blog, and it wasn’t coming from anyone known to bait. I am frankly too tired to look up the posts. I will say that some can hear even pretty well-done auto-tune where others can’t detect it.

    My other evidence is someone who heard it on the west coast feed whil in California and on DVR at home on the east coast and they sounded completely different.

    Then you have no real source.
    And your “other evidence” is not evidence at all.
    Thank you for clarifying.

  369. It’s his blindness that sells. Andrea Bocelli isn’t a great singer, he has a nice voice, that’s about it.

    The notion that someone who has sold 60 million albums all over the world because they’re blind is such a WTF for me.

    There are plenty of singers out there who may not have what’s considered the best voice but they still sell. Britney isn’t a great singer at all but she’s sold millions and millions.

  370. I heard on Sirius Weekend Countdown (which is the top 45 requested songs on Sirius Hits 1 for the week) that Adam’s For Your Entertainment debuted at number 44!!

  371. All I saw was posts here, not anything in the news. My source is people’s impressions on this blog, and it wasn’t coming from anyone known to bait. I am frankly too tired to look up the posts. I will say that some can hear even pretty well-done auto-tune where others can’t detect it.

    Ok then I just would like to point out something then. Let’s just say you are correct and the west coast feed was auto tuned…well the people on here are showing videos from the East coast show and that is where people are saying his voice is not that bad… so the argument is really mute. The only reason people where looking at it was for all the raunchy movements. The west coast versions did not have it. I hope you understand what I am trying to say. If someone is watching the performance and seeing the entire thing then they are seeing the non auto tuned version. If in turn people seeing that and they still feel the vocals where not that bad what reason do you think. Please don’t suggest that ABC collected every Youtube video and replaced them with auto tuned versions but left in all the scenes. (ok last part trying to be funny)

  372. lashes3699
    11/29/2009 at 12:09 am

    I heard on Sirius Weekend Countdown (which is the top 45 requested songs on Sirius Hits 1 for the week) that Adam’s For Your Entertainment debuted at number 44!!

    Now this is news!!! yeah!!!

  373. I also heard they cleaned up Adam’s vocals for the West Coast feed along with the more offensive stuff. The offensive stuff had nothing to do with the kiss. The whole song was portraying sexual violence as the norm. And then Adam coming out and saying it was because he was gay that he was ‘censored’  was really the last straw.

    That is hearsay. The live performance I heard was better than what I have on my DVR, why would they “clean up” the vocals to sound worse? Bad autotune job, fire that guy!

    Yes, it was a very sexual song, sexual costumes, sexual dancing. They knew that and advertised it as such. I saw the rehearsal footage and throughout the live show they touted that it would be that way. I don’t think they were portraying anything as “the norm” – it was a PERFORMANCE!

    I’m not sure they would have cut the “crotch nuzzle” thing if it would have been a woman – he does do something similar with a woman and that wasn’t cut. So yes, I think it was cut solely because it was two men.

  374. IndyMuse
    11/29/2009 at 12:01 am

    All I saw was posts here, not anything in the news. My source is people’s impressions on this blog, and it wasn’t coming from anyone known to bait. I am frankly too tired to look up the posts. I will say that some can hear even pretty well-done auto-tune where others can’t detect it.

    My other evidence is someone who heard it on the west coast feed whil in California and on DVR at home on the east coast and they sounded completely different.

    You are just repeating second and third hand info and saying it is fact?

    I WAS at the AMAs and Adam sounds the same on my DVR and the videos and I heard when I was there. He was not auto tuned – that is a ridiculous statement!

  375. lashes3699
    11/29/2009 at 12:09 am

    I heard on Sirius Weekend Countdown (which is the top 45 requested songs on Sirius Hits 1 for the week) that Adam’s For Your Entertainment debuted at number 44!!

    Now this is news!!! yeah!!!

    I’ve only requested it every chance I have had…guess I’m not the only one!!!!

  376. I am on the west coast and sincerely do not believe they cleaned up the vocals for the west coast. Of course I also watched the youtubes of Adam. In fact, watching the show out here about the only person who didn’t sound like total crap was Kelly Clarkson. Where do people come up with this stuff? Sorry if Im getting impatient with these stupid baseless rumours but I just came from a dinner with people whose first exposure to Adam was the AMAs and I spent so much time defending him I feel like my head is gonna explode. Please let the press move on to something new tomorrow.

  377. I WAS at the AMAs and Adam WAS NOT lip synching, because if he was it would have been stellar vocals. I had by binoculars trained on him and there is no way in hell he was lip synching.

    You were there too?? Were you at the party we had after at Rock ‘n Fish? Did I meet you?

    Did someone say he was lip synching? I can second that there was NO lip synching. I think people are trying to say they “autotuned” his vocals between the show and when it aired on the West Coast, which I believe they didn’t because I feel his vocals were better live.

  378. DLee

    Sorry but the auto-tune thing is ridiculous’ ¦it never happened.

    ITA It’s redonkulous. Like someone else said why would they spend their time cleaning up Adam’s vocals when his weren’t the only ones off? Makes no sense whatsover.

  379. Also Adam has moved back up to #10 on Itunes combined Album sales. (#5 on pop) (deluxe) The fye single is #29 still ahead of SuBo single which is at #30…(I just like saying Adam is ahead of Susan Boyle in something. ha ha)

  380. didilynn
    11/29/2009 at 12:23 am

    I WAS at the AMAs and Adam WAS NOT lip synching, because if he was it would have been stellar vocals. I had by binoculars trained on him and there is no way in hell he was lip synching.

    You were there too?? Were you at the party we had after at Rock ‘n Fish? Did I meet you?

    Did someone say he was lip synching? I can second that there was NO lip synching. I think people are trying to say they ‘autotuned’  his vocals between the show and when it aired on the West Coast, which I believe they didn’t because I feel his vocals were better live.

    I amended my post, I was so riled up hearing about this post and yes people have said he lip synched too, HA no he was not autotuned. They would have had to autotune Alisha Keys, Whitney Houston and Rihanna who were horrible live.

    Possibly, I went home after sticking my head in at Rock n Fish, I was still sick with the flu and I had to go home after standing in lines for frakking hours until they let us in our seats!

  381. Also Adam has moved back up to #10 on Itunes combined Album sales. (#5 on pop) (deluxe) The fye single is #29 still ahead of SuBo single which is at #30′ ¦(I just like saying Adam is ahead of Susan Boyle in something. ha ha)

    Ha ha – I probably bumped the iTunes – I bought 3 copies for my kids after they told me they liked his song FYE from the AMA’s!

  382. (I just like saying Adam is ahead of Susan Boyle in something. ha ha)

    We could make a list. (No offense Subo fans)

  383. Possibly, I went home after sticking my head in at Rock n Fish, I was still sick with the flu and I had to go home after standing in lines for frakking hours until they let us in our seats!

    I know – wasn’t that ridiculous? We waited a LONG time in line just to find out we were in the wrong line – it was the floor line and we had loge seats. So they sent us walking past all that red carpet stuff blocks away to get in this long, long line and wait all over again. It was a couple hours!

  384. Wow didilynn and adamland’ ¦you were there?

    Yup, but the party after was a little more like a wake. I felt so sad.

  385. Yup, but the party after was a little more like a wake. I felt so sad.

    I just hope he didn’t piss off too many people in the audience from the entertainment industry – you know, new kid on the block comes in trying to upstage seasoned pros and falls flat. It was just too ambitious and it didn’t work. Hope they look at it like that.

  386. I have not posted in quite a while, certainly not since the AMA thing happened, but feel compelled tonight to add my two cents in. Several of you have stated that you that this would have boosted his sales and got people talking and that he wasted the opportunity he was given.

    I did not initially enjoy the performance, found it a bit shocking and poorly staged and executed, but since going back and reviewing it several times after a few days had passed, found it not to be all that bad really. It was just so unexpected that it threw me off guard in the moment.

    Anyhow what I want to say is that the opportunity definitely was not wasted.

    First of all if he had done a Mad World type song and just stood there and sung, he would not have been given the closing spot, he would have been somewhere in the middle, just like Kelly and Daughtry.

    Second of all if he had not gone for the spectacle he would have only had half the stage just like the majority of the other acts had.

    Well this isn’t really a “third of all”, but bottom line, Adam needed to prove that he could hang with the big boys and girls, which he did, bad vocals, staging and all. But with this performance not only did he prove he could hang, he also distinguished himself amongst his newly acquired peers in a way no one else has done in a while. He became the “water cooler conversation” for almost the entire week following the performance. The only person talking about the other acts was Adam himself. Oh, and J Lo’s fall.

    There were several people on stage that night that could truly bring the vocals and did, Kelly being the top of the night in my opinion, I also really enjoyed Alicia Keys vocals, especailly on the New York song, not her partner so much, but she was great. But ya know what, I in no way was compelled to run out and buy their albums because of it. They were still lost in the mix.

    For good, bad, or lewd reasons Adam was truly the standout performance of the night. I haven’t noticed anyone one else that truly got a boost from the AMA’s in the way that Adam did. As always, YMMV.

  387. Wow, that first paragraph is a mess, thought I had fixed it but I guess not. It was supposed to say:

    Several of you thought that if Adam had done a Mad World type performance this would have compelled people to run out and buy his CD and really boost his sales and that he wasted the opportunity that was given to him.

  388. Wyked__Whyspers..
    Well done. Adam overshot, but so what?
    We know he is passionate, young, brave and absolutely committed to his art.
    Do we really want Adam to be any different? Do we want him to blend in with the nicer, less controversial artists?

    I know I don’t.

  389. “I think Adam will do just fine, but first impressions count, and that one wasn’t the best one he could have made.”

    yeah maybe, but it will change when they get to know Adam well.

  390. There were several people on stage that night that could truly bring the vocals and did, Kelly being the top of the night in my opinion, I also really enjoyed Alicia Keys vocals, especailly on the New York song, not her partner so much, but she was great. But ya know what, I in no way was compelled to run out and buy their albums because of it. They were still lost in the mix.

    For good, bad, or lewd reasons Adam was truly the standout performance of the night. I haven’t noticed anyone one else that truly got a boost from the AMA’s in the way that Adam did. As always,

    I agree Kelly was the best, and I enjoyed Alicia on that song too! I think it did give a boost on iTunes to Kelly, and did compel me to drive 2 hours each way to go to her concert tomorrow night. But I would still drive farther to see Adam perform.

    I feel as you do, I was shocked and disappointed seeing it live, but now I’m seeing it more for the fun, campy performance it was supposed to be – weird. Probably many reasons, but so proud of Adam at this point.

  391. This maybe out of topic but FYI here in Phils MIT 20 (MYX) TFM music video former on top 10 jump to top 6

    Yay!

  392. i think a tiny glass of port might be in order for adam if nerves or adrenalin get to him next time as to the voice and falling issues. he was clumsy and not relaxed and i’m sure that’s why he tripped and fell, but nevertheless, still mesmerizing. i love the controversy, but an additional good review on the performance itself would have been even better for sales…

  393. Mmm, what if a straight guy closes the AMA with a simulated blow job with some females. And leads them around on leashes and perhaps does a little pretend oral on them. I truly hope you’re not calling for censorship at that point. Because that would be wrong.

    Next year’s AMA should be awesome.

    Ahaha I can’t speak for anyone else but I really wouldn’t be calling for censorship at that point. I’m just ~one of those people~ though, I’m not for censoring anything besides extreme violence. A girl closing with some leashed men and shoving their faces in her crotch? Would be good as well.

  394. undercooked

    I believe the AMA controversy became Adam’s compelling story, and his answer to SuBo’s.

    Yes, but he is only selling around the same amount as Cook did last year. In fact, he’s selling about 20 percent less than Cook did his debut week, if the current predictions hold. So I don’t know if it was much of an answer to SuBo. But who knows for sure

    We don’t know what Adam is selling yet. We won’t know until next week. HDD is a forecast. And it could be high.

    Not sure why there is so much focus on first week’s sales because that is not as important as how well the album sells over the first 4 to 6 weeks. To illustrate look a the last four major Idol alums albums. Taylor and David had similar first week sales, but very different totals. Jordin, on the other hand, started slower and continued to sell and has sold more than David Cook — although Cook is tracking to probably pass her at some point in the future.

    David Cook Week 1: 279K Platinum 2/2009 Total sales: 1.3 million

    Taylor Hicks Week 1: 298K Total sales: 809K

    Jordiin Sparks Week 1: 119K Platinum 12/2008 Total sales: 1.5 million

    David Archuleta Week 1 186K Total sales: 734+K [as of 10/14/09]

    123abc456
    11/28/2009 at 11:46 pm
    I also heard they cleaned up Adam’s vocals for the West Coast feed along with the more offensive stuff.

    This information is not correct.

    There was only one edit on the West Coast rebroadcast — for a couple of seconds they showed an audience view instead of the “oral sex” visual. The videos are on online and can be easily compared. And the audio is identical on both versions, If you really care you can run side-by-side and map the audio. No AutoTuning involved.

  395. don’t all go look at once, though, ESPECIALLY if the AMA offended you . . .really, you’ll just be looking for trouble . . . (are u looking?)

    Oh yeah! I remeber when I first saw that on youtube I was thinking “wow, this guy’s got guts, but if people see this- nobody’s gonna vote for him!”, and then was so happy when people actually did (but I guess not everyone saw that…)
    I was just bummed with AMA performance because of the poor execution and lack of feeling of real fun on stage… I mean I really wouldn’t have minded any of it (BJ included) if it indeed looked like it was fun&sexy- the problem IMO was that it looked like he just lost it and was trying to prove a point instead of really enjoying the moment (and singing properly)…

    But I’m allowed to criticize while still LOVING the guy, and if he makes some mistakes along the way- so what? It’s better to try to be innovative and fail sometimes than to never try anything risky!

  396. All I remember was people on the west coast who had to watch via streaming who later watched it on TV said that it was much better than the internet version. Not exactly a shocker.

    ETA: I’m on the west coast and I watched it on ustream then TV later, and I remember mentally agreeing with the commenter that said TV > internet.

    I was the one (or one of the ones) who said that. I think it had to do with the quality of transmission and/or speakers. You could still hear that his first big note at the conclusion of the intro started off flat but then he corrected it, and that there were some bum notes that seemed to be mainly clustered about 3/4 of the way through. But the tone sounded better. I don’t know much about how voices are electronically modified, but it seems that if they were going to make the tone sound better that they could have corrected the episodes of pitchiness too. So I think it’s far more likely that it just sounded better coming out of my TV than out of my PC. I was relieved about that.

  397. As a p.s. to my previous post, it seemed more as though some source of distortion was removed rather than his vocals being enhanced, if that makes sense. Again, I think it was the TV vs. PC difference rather than them auto-tuning or anything like that.

  398. Q3

    To illustrate look a the last four major Idol alums albums. Taylor and David had similar first week sales, but very different totals. Jordin, on the other hand, started slower and continued to sell and has sold more than David Cook ‘” although Cook is tracking to probably pass her at some point in the future.

    David Cook Week 1: 279K Platinum 2/2009 Total sales: 1.3 million

    Taylor Hicks Week 1: 298K Total sales: 809K

    Jordiin Sparks Week 1: 119K Platinum 12/2008 Total sales: 1.5 million

    David Archuleta Week 1 186K Total sales: 734+K [as of 10/14/09]

    This is just semantics I know, but your numbers are a bit wonky.

    You are comparing Jordin Sparks Worldwide sales to David Cook’s US Sales (or some approximation thereof -as his wordwide sales are unknown to the public at this time). So to be accurate, and to compare apples to apples (or US sales to US sales), the actual numbers are, according to Brian Mansfield, as follows:

    David Cook, David Cook 1.25 million

    Jordin Sparks, Jordin Sparks 1.026 million total

    In any event, I think that the points you made are excellent and totally valid. First week sales are only one piece of the puzzle. A year from now, or even two years from now, the picture could look entirely different. Either Kris or Adam could have overtaken previous idols’ sales totals as well.

  399. tinydance
    11/29/2009 at 4:39 am
    Boyle’s story is the real deal and very heart warming’ ¦unlike Adam’s which is contrived to me. Her story is very heartwarming and his is full of club kids and drugs.

    I don’t even know what a “real deal” story means.
    I do know that I won’t buy anyones music, or go see their concert, because of their story.
    I think Adam is an electrifying performer, who has ambition and a creative artistic vision of himself, as opposed to Susan Boyle, who has a nice voice, no performance charisma at all, and I’m sure has no artistic vision whatsoever except for really wanting to sing all her life.
    And that’s a HUGE difference.
    And you know what- if we rule out every artist who has some history of drugs in their past… well, let’s just say goobye to nearly ANYONE who made a difference in music. Or other arts, for that matter. Sad but true.
    Artist aren’t supposed to be role models for other peoples conduct. They’re a vessel for their art and their various experiments many times cause them to nearly (or sadly, sometimes, completely) destroy themselves in the process.
    Hopefully, Adam doesn’t destroy himself or anything- I’m hoping for him on a personal level that he stays grounded and healthy, but no matter what, I won’t hold any “misconduct” on his part against him as an artist.
    If I started morally judging artists- most of my music collection would vanish overnight (the Beatles, Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Janis Joplin, Nirvana etc.).
    BTW-You do know that Mozart was a good for nothing drunk party goer (aka clubber)?

  400. tinydance- That’s a lot of hits on Subo’s you tube. So many praises on her beautiful interpretation of a lovely song. No wonder her album is selling well worldwide.

  401. This is completely off topic but maybe someone will be able to answer me before MJ zaps me and sends me to the moderation corner. I have been listening to Adam’s CD over and over and every time “Pick U Up” comes on I just sit there wondering what the heck he is talking about when he sings “I’m a flip.”

    Nothing in Miriam Webster makes sense and the best guess I get from the urban dictionary is that he is calling himself a swinger/whore. Can anyone help me out so I can just enjoy the song instead of obsessing about what a “flip” is?

    On topic, I can’t understand the appeal of SB either but I am glad she is getting the recognition of her talent that she has always dreamed of. Hopefully, it will serve her well in her old age instead of being something that leaves her feeling damaged.

  402. There was some discussion last evening on one of the FOX News programs about Adam’s AMA performance being cleaned up for the West Coast. I only caught part of it when I passed by Mom’s room where she was listening to it. It was a short segment of a panel discussion somewhere around 10-11 pm Central. Seems they were just generally making light of the uproar about the performance and indicating that they didn’t think it was so shocking in light of the entire awards show. Don’t know if this was a program that aired earlier in the week or a new weekend broadcast.

    I’ve been keeping up with all the shows, interviews, twitter, etc. Can only say that I am still lovin’ Adam and am so proud of him and how he is handling his life. Or should I say “our lives”? He has certainly brought life back into my life–maybe a sad thing to say, but fact is fact.

    AND…I’m really loving the CD.

    Guess I’ll go on to sleep now. G’night.

  403. Hey madnessinmotion-
    According to a songs lyrics website I checked, the lyrics are “It’s a trip on a flip”, not “I’ma flip”.
    Not that I have a clue to what that means, mind you!
    But i loooove it! Such a sweet song!
    I love when he sings “this is how I live , this is what I give”
    :-)

  404. It’s his blindness that sells. Andrea Bocelli isn’t a great singer, he has a nice voice, that’s about it.

    Oh crap, why didn’t Scott win this season then?

    Because Scott is a lousy singer and didn’t have much of a voice. Scott only got into Top 10 (or even top 36) because he is blind. Blindness sells.

    ‘ ¦that statement. I s’pose that’s why Stevie Wonder sold/sells so well, too?
    Wow. Just wow

    Stevie Wonder happens to be one fine singer. What has Stevie Wonder got to do with Andrea Bocelli that you’d compare the two apart from the blindness? Although I’m sure that initial attention paid to Stevie Wonder has a lot to do with his blindness, he happens to be very good singer (which is actually not that relevant because in the pop business being a very good singer isn’t that important, go and ask Madonna). And go and read some criticisms of Andrea Bocelli from opera critics. He is not well-regarded by opera aficionados.

  405. This is completely off topic but maybe someone will be able to answer me before MJ zaps me and sends me to the moderation corner. I have been listening to Adam’s CD over and over and every time ‘Pick U Up’  comes on I just sit there wondering what the heck he is talking about when he sings ‘I’m a flip.’ 

    Can’t speak as to the actual lyrics, but “Ima” is text speak for “I’m going to”.
    Adam uses “Ima” in tweets quite a bit.

    So “I’m going to flip” as in “react in an excited, delighted, or surprised way”.

    Mediabase Top 40
    WWFM #68
    FYE #70

    I saw:
    92 66 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 237 50 187 3.587

    66 71 ADAM LAMBERT For Your Entertainment 195 201 -6 0.476

  406. Boyle’s story is the real deal and very heart warming’ ¦unlike Adam’s

    Actually, parts of her story are very contrived!

  407. Boyle’s story is the real deal and very heart warming’ ¦unlike Adam’s which is contrived to me. Her story is very heartwarming and his is full of club kids and drugs.

    I love her Wild Horses

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJIDr15duZk

    This is a woman who hit America’s (and the World’s) sweet spot at just the right time – Holiday season, continuing economic slump. And that video is basically a 7 minute commercial, from the initial edited build-up to the camera lingering on the sustained applause at the end. Her voice is powerful and the tone is pleasant but her lack of any formal training definitely shows. I’m not a hater and hopefully she has professional managers investing her earnings (and not some family member).

    Regardless, her story has very little to do with Adam or even Kris, for that matter. She may have one more album in her (poised to drop around Christmas time next year – how long does it take to come up with a bunch of covers?), but in three years she’ll be a distant memory. Adam will still be in the business, of that I have no doubt, and Kris – well, unfortunately, a lot depends on how this first album sells. And since the initial sales have not gone well, it seems like everything is riding on the success of his first single.

  408. Regarding PUU, seems Adam is saying “I’ma flip” as “I am going to flip.” Isn’t it the same as the chorus where he sings “I’ma pick you up” meaning “I’m going to pick you up.” I think it’s just a slang thingy.

  409. Mediabase Top 40-This updates continually, although I wouldn’t expect too drastic of a change over the course of a few minutes. Spins for WWFM are increasing more than for FYE.
    WWFM #69
    FYE #70

  410. Glad that spins for WWFM are increasing. I am someone who actually doesn’t mind FYE, but it is time to just let the song as a single die (after the AMAs, regardless of what you thought of the performance, FYE is “tainted”) and let WWFM take over.

  411. WWFM picked up a lot of spins last night on OHP (when it was played twice), and will again tonight, when Adam is interviewed.

  412. I think Paul Potts has a much better shot at successive decently selling albums that Susan B. While he isn’t a blind Italian guy who pretends to be sexy, he sings the opera and light classical-type stuff that Andrea Bocelli sings, and Bocelli doesn’t lack for fans at all. ‘ ¦. I expect the Bocelli persona probably is better for sales than Paul Potts’, but light-classical/opera stuff has always been popular with a lot of people and will continue to be.

    Andrea Bocelli is in a vocal class that Paul Potts can only dream of and probably will never achieve.

    And am am confused what advantage Bocelli have in being blind or for that matter Italian.

    Where did I say anything about comparing the *quality* of their voices? All I said was: The style that both of them do — light classical/opera highlights — has been and will continue to be a popular style among many listeners, and probably more popular than the easy-listening/pop stuff that Boyle does, thus, to me, Boyle is more likely to drop off in sales over time more sharply than Potts.

    Now, I admit that I have only heard Potts a couple of times and know basically nothing about his actual *voice*, only about the style of music he sings and about his having some amount of training for it. So if he really is vastly inferior to Bocelli, then of course that’s a limiting factor on his career. Doesn’t in the least change the fact that there *is* a pretty major worldwide market for pretty male voices singing opera/light classical, though ….

    I’m an opera lover and a singer, and my opinion of Bocelli’s voice isn’t actually that high, I must say. He’s okay but not wildly impressive, in my opinion. But the opera/light classical/concert crowd isn’t in the market for the same voices that succeed in the opera world, so obviously that doesn’t matter in the least for Bocelli’s sales. He’ll sell more than much way better opera singers any day. And Potts might, too, so long as his voice isn’t *too* much worse than Bocelli’s — and, as I said, I don’t know whether it is or not.

    The reason I mentioned Bocelli’s being Italian, being a blind guy, and projecting a sort of sexy persona is that I am pretty certain that all three of those things are an advantage in selling opera/light classical because they can all be marketed to present a romantic, continental image…. A little British guy with a business background doesn’t have the same shot at projecting a operatic/classical/cultural image, I would guess, so I’m sure that will make him a less popular artist than Bocelli. … That still doesn’t mean that he can’t do well for at least a while in that field of music, though, because it clearly *is* internationally popular!

  413. Comparing Susan Boyle to Adam Lambert is an exercise in futility. The only thing they have in common is that they both came in 2nd place in a reality TV show.

    Her story is very heartwarming and his is full of club kids and drugs.”

    Club kids and drugs. Oh my, clutching my pearls (jk). He’s not a drug addict, but he does like to go to clubs. I probably would too if I were young, good looking and single. Since I’m not they probably wouldn’t even let me in the door :(

  414. As for Subo, remember that her fans are the people who don’t know how to steal music.

    I also think that, because many people are partly buying the album because of the heroic/virtue-oriented emotions associate with her, that probably also dissuades people from stealing it. I expect that many buyers are, in a way, buying it *for* Susan and buying it in honor of the underdog triumphing — and those feelings probably make you a lot less likely to steal the thing. Stealing it is sort of a contradiction in terms, really.

  415. Thanks Idoly for the info on P. Potts. I did search him alittle. Saw he has more than one CD and toured. Good for him. I don’t know why, but I just don’t feel a long career for Subo. Not that I would be upset if she had one… Hey, go for it girl.

    I believe Adam is on Ellen Tuesday, Dec1

  416. I would also add that a large group of Subo buyers are probably gifting the album to someone else.

    So to sum up:

    1) fans are less likely to know how to steal music,
    2) stealing the album would contradict the whole reason for buying the album, i.e. underdog triumphing,
    3) people are gifting the album to others and are less likely to gift a pirated album.

    I’m sure there are folks who enjoy the sound of her voice but these other factors go a long way in explaining the mega sales she’s experiencing.

  417. Lucy, I have been trying to figure out the right and wrong of copying music. If I buy Adam’s Cd and now I want a copy for my car too, is it wrong to duplicate a copy for myself?

    I actually bought several songs to make a Cd for my Mom. She will only like the ballad types. But she loves his voice. So it may be better for me to just download a few more songs to burn myself a copy for my car…if it is wrong to copy another for myself?

    Seriously, I am this ignorant about it.

  418. LaurelG-4) people like SuBo’s album cover better than…
    (I’m only kidding and I still can’t make myself go there.)

  419. Her story is very heartwarming and his is full of club kids and drugs.

    I love her Wild Horses

    Of course, if it weren’t for drugs, I don’t think we’d have “Wild Horses” to begin with…..

    just sayin’

  420. That’s just awesome news.

    Going up against all those POWERHOUSES (gaga, rhianna, mayer, & SoBo debuts) and coming out @ #2 is such an accomplishment.

    ADAM FTW!!!! Idol will never be the same tho :-((((((((

  421. Lucy, I have been trying to figure out the right and wrong of copying music. If I buy Adam’s Cd and now I want a copy for my car too, is it wrong to duplicate a copy for myself?

    I actually bought several songs to make a Cd for my Mom. She will only like the ballad types. But she loves his voice. So it may be better for me to just download a few more songs to burn myself a copy for my car’ ¦if it is wrong to copy another for myself?

    Seriously, I am this ignorant about it.

    Well, I don’t really know all the ins and outs of the legalities either! But I think the general idea is — If you copy for your own use something that you bought, then that’s basically okay. ….

    But it’s not okay to copy something to share with or sell to somebody else or to copy something that you borrowed, such as from a library or from a friend ….

    The legal issues have tended to arise only when filesharing software has been involved, I think.

  422. I’m sure there are folks who enjoy the sound of her voice but these other factors go a long way in explaining the mega sales she’s experiencing.

    I’ve heard SuBo’s album and found it fairly interesting… ONCE! It’s definitely not one I’d want to own and listen to repeatedly.

    On the other hand, Adam’s album is getting more like an old friend I really enjoy having around on repeated listenings. I think I’ll enjoy it for a long time. :)

  423. Q3 the number you have for Jordan includes all of her albums not just her first one. Including her first album, an EP, and her second album as well. So her debut album has not sold 1.5 million it has only sold around 1 million. And I think you must have worldwide included as well because her second album has not even reached 200,000 copies yet I don’t think.

  424. O.K. thanks. That’s what I was thinking, but my thinking is not always correct.

    I also have this nagging doubt that the CD I make on my computer (from Itunes) is as good as one bought in the store.

    Have I mentioned that the CD is spectacular? Oh yeah…I said that already. I am extremely shocked that the ballads are not my favs. Seriously. Me + Ballads = love…. Adam has liberated me!

  425. A

    s for Subo, remember that her fans are the people who don’t know how to steal music.

    I also think that, because many people are partly buying the album because of the heroic/virtue-oriented emotions associate with her, that probably also dissuades people from stealing it. I expect that many buyers are, in a way, buying it *for* Susan and buying it in honor of the underdog triumphing ‘” and those feelings probably make you a lot less likely to steal the thing. Stealing it is sort of a contradiction in terms, really.

    When I wrote about stealing music, I was referring more to the fact that SuBO doesn’t have a lot of young fans. I don’t think HS kids and college students will be going to limewire to get SuBo’s Wild Horses on their iPods. I do agree that a lot of people will see Subo’s CD on the shelf and say, Oh! I remember her! I want to support her. But I do feel it is more in the manner of supporting her dream than because they LOVE her music.

  426. Her story is very heartwarming and his is full of club kids and drugs.

    Actually, that’s an oversimplification of Adam’s background. While club kids and drugs certainly seem to have been a part of it, the rest of his “story,” at least the parts to which we’ve been made privy, included years of dedication to his craft and what sounds like a very strong work ethic for a young boy/man. It also includes a lot of soul-searching as he felt “different” and struggled to find a niche/acceptance. We really only know the parts of Susan’s story that she and her management want us to know. The same goes with Adam, of course, but since he is so unfiltered and nothing additional has been dug up about his past, I have a feeling we know the majority of what there is to know.

  427. Human nature is very interesting. I will never understand how “pet rocks” or “mood rings” became the must have thing when they became popular. I never understood the amount of adults that had “cabbage Patch” kids dolls sitting on their beds. And Tickle Me Elmo, ok then. A “fad” just seems to take on a mind of its own…and as the media fuels the fire with “this is the greatest thing ever” or “isn’t this a great story” etc. then people buy…and when they see that “everyone else” is buying we become a herd of sheep…just following without giving it much thought.

    Right now we are watching people flock to a movie, New Moon, and grabbing up the books. Like the Harry Potter series…is this great literature or just a good story that has become the “it” thing? Was Elvis the greatest ever…or just a good story that got legs…also the Beatles. I listen to their stuff 40 years later and it seems pretty inocuous to me and I can’t figure out why I ever thought it was “really great”.

    Susan Boyle is just another in the long line of “fads”. And people will defend their decision to participate in the fad for a myriad of reasons, and really all the reasons are acceptable. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. But mob mentality is a proven phenomenon…and Susan won’t be the last singer to fall into this social mind set. Good Grief…many of us went and saw Titanic, it actually won an Oscar, and the movie really sucked and the boat sank. When it is played on TV now it gets no audience….that fad is over and done with.

  428. I think Susan Boyle has a pleasing voice and I like some of the songs on her album. Like, not love. But the reason I think most of her success is due to her story is that the kind of music she recorded has been around for many years and has been done by artists with better voices and far better interpretations. The music was there to be bought and hardly anyone was buying it. The popularity of standards dropped dramatically many years ago. I know because that was my favorite music until Adam came along.

    It’s reaching (IMO of course) to think that overnight the world has developed a love for standards & musical theater. I’d be happy to see a resurgence but with Susan it seems to be her story that’s selling. Period.

  429. Her story is very heartwarming and his is full of club kids and drugs.

    I love her Wild Horses

    Of course, if it weren’t for drugs, I don’t think we’d have ‘Wild Horses’  to begin with’ ¦..

    just sayin’

    LOL.

  430. Was Elvis the greatest ever’ ¦or just a good story that got legs’ ¦also the Beatles. I listen to their stuff 40 years later and it seems pretty inocuous to me and I can’t figure out why I ever thought it was ‘really great’ .

    Blasphemy!!

    But seriously- pet rocks = Elvis?
    I find a great deal of difference between a fad and iconic, supremely talented artists who genuinely touched millions of people.

  431. Hmm equating SuBo’s sales with the idea people that are buying it do not know how to steal music.

    That seems an interesting idea but I don’t know if it can be proved?

    I could point to Taylor Swifts amazing sales. I could assume that the people buying her album are young people and they should know how to steal music. So why is she the best selling artist of 2009? Or Jay-Z or Eminem’s stellar first week sales?

    So I personally won’t take the too old to know how to pirate music theory to heart. It might just be a perfect storm of many different circumstances. Holiday season + Heart warming story + Cultural Phenom and other sociological things that I am not smart enough to articulate.

  432. I am surprised to see 4 of Subo’s song tracks at iTunes top 100 pop songs. Wow, the grandmas and grandpas know how to use a computer and download music?

  433. Uh – just out of curiosity, cmc25, how old are you? Do you think just because someone is older they are not interested in or able to master technology?

    Well, I’m a grandma, love Adam, (like SUBO okay but not enough to buy), and download my own music. Still rockin’ (and not in a chair) and thinkin’ on my own here with 3 grandsons.

    Love of music knows no age limit.

  434. 11/29/2009 at 1:24 pm
    I am surprised to see 4 of Subo’s song tracks at iTunes top 100 pop songs. Wow, the grandmas and grandpas know how to use a computer and download music?

    I know several people in the 18-24 age group who list Susan B as a favorite on their Facebook walls, and I would bet that they are downloading at least a few of her songs. Similarly, I know some professional musicians, including a very avant-garde academic composer, who also advertise their attachment to SB, and it would surprise me if they didn’t buy some of her stuff, too. This proves to me that you can be very attached to Susan B and her phenomenon without it reflecting *anything* about your usual taste in music. It’s a story about the underdog and empowerment, accompanied by a kind of soundtrack music of the underdog’s pretty voice.

  435. It will be interesting to see whether SuBo’s or Adam’s album has longer legs. Respective positions in several months may not resemble first week predictions much.

  436. Susan Boyle makes UK chart history with debut album

    The album has also topped the Australian and Irish charts and is also set to be number one in the United States, Canada and New Zealand, Sony Corp’s Sony Music said on Sunday.

    In the UK alone, she sold 410K units. Add her estimated US sales, and she’ll have sold over 1 million easily. Wow.

  437. There’s no way Jordin has sold 200k in the US with her sophomore album and I don’t believe she’s sold more albums than David here either. On 11/2 Brian M. of USA Today posted these numbers for albums out of the BB200

    Jordin Sparks, Battlefield (2,000 for the week/128,000 cumulative)
    David Cook, David Cook (2,000/1.25 million)
    Jordin Sparks, Jordin Sparks (1.026 million total)

    She barely sold 130,000 by then and I doubt she’s selling much more than 2,000 a week since. Then there was this press release sent on 11/12 from Reuters that listed the combined album and single sales for notable contestants:

    * David Cook (2008 winner), 1.3 million albums, 3.7 million digitally downloaded tracks

    * Jordin Sparks (2007 winner), 1.2 million albums, 8.4 million digitally downloaded tracks

  438. Wow, the grandmas and grandpas know how to use a computer and download music?

    Way back when, I was at my son’s house attempting to do something on the computer. A 4 year old told me “that’s not how you do it Gram”. This Gram went out the next day and bought a computer and learned. I can download with the best of them now. I had to buy an external hard-drive to hold all my music. ;)

  439. I think on one of these threads last night, people were talking about the number of spins a song gets. Anyway, my girls were listening to Z100 this afternoon and they played WWFM. I would not post this except for the fact that this is the very FIRST time I have heard Adam played on a radio station. I was thrilled. My daughters asked me if I was crying. I’m like, no– I’m just happy!

    Don’t worry, I won’t post every time I hear Adam. It just caught me by surprise and I really like that song! I’ve been hearing LLD(which I also like) a lot, so it was neat to finally hear Adam.

  440. On other note, I was in CVS and they had Susan Boyle CD’s for sale at all of the cash registers. There were no other artists for sale that I saw anyway.

  441. Susan Boyle is just another in the long line of ‘fads’ . And people will defend their decision to participate in the fad for a myriad of reasons, and really all the reasons are acceptable. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. But mob mentality is a proven phenomenon’ ¦and Susan won’t be the last singer to fall into this social mind set.

    Same could be said of Adam Lambert.

  442. Off topic, but someone asked about this….

    “I’m a flip.’ 

    Actually, it is written “Imma flip” in the liner notes and I do believe that “Imma” is text & Twitter shortform for “I am going to…”.

    e.g. Imma smile when Adam is on Ellen.

  443. sealily1c, actually, on my CD from Adamofficial in the lyrics for Pick U Up it says “It’s a trip/I’m a flip” … and “Imma pick you up”.

    Not trying to start a war or anything….no idea what he means either : )

    back to lurkdom

  444. sealily1c, I am the one who asked and the reason I asked is because I have the CD and the lyrics are included and clearly read “I’m a flip” three different times in “Pick U Up”. Now, I have decided it really doesn’t matter what he means by it since no one else seems to know either. It seems to be open for interpretation.

    After listening to the song several times and reading the lyrics to try to figure out the meaning I have come to the conclusion that for this particular song the swinger/whore definition from urban dictionary is probably right since he opens the song with “Jumpin’ out the window, Movin’ on, Groovin’ on, Which way will the wind blow”.

    I’m okay with that definition because it’s just a fun song with some amazing vocals mixed in. I love this album and am so glad he is selling so well. My favorite songs are “Soaked” and “Fever” but the whole album is listen worthy. I believe when Adam starts touring his sales will happen without question.

  445. Oops…sorry about that guys. It is “I’m a flip”. I really think they should have supplied a magnifying glass with the CD!!! Print SO small. TOO small for my computer-wrecked eyes, apparently.

    Sorry to cause confusion, consternation.

    Anyway, regardless, I think Pick U Up is my third fav, after Loaded Smile (so Sexy) and Fever, which I think will the monster
    hit for Adam that Lady Gagag predicted it would be (on some radio show)

    I am hoping Adam will tour in Spring. Started saving into fund after I saw the Idols concert in Hamilton. I want to make a trip out of it…hope to get to opening night wherever that might be! Or maybe L.A. That would be awesome. I’ve never been there.

  446. LOL, on the magnifying glass comment. I have actually seriously considered buying one since I have spent so much time reading the lyrics. And I, too, CAN”T wait to see him sing these songs live.

    Performing live is where Adam is going to shine. All of the speculation about whether his sales will drop next week (they will) don’t bother me at all because I KNOW this is just the beginning for him as far as sales go. Once he starts touring word of mouth will fill seats and filled seats will sell albums.

  447. madnessinmotion
    11/29/2009 at 9:00 pm
    sealily1c, I am the one who asked and the reason I asked is because I have the CD and the lyrics are included and clearly read ‘I’m a flip’  three different times in ‘Pick U Up’ . Now, I have decided it really doesn’t matter what he means by it since no one else seems to know either. It seems to be open for interpretation

    Consider the lyrics in context:

    “All my life I’ve been waiting, Passed my time Procrastinating
    Now, It’s a trip, I’m a flip And flash right through the scene.”

    It’s contrasting the former life of waiting around and doing nothing to the subsequent life on the move or speeding along imagery. Like flipping through a book (or channels on a TV), he’s flipping or flashing through the scene.

  448. It’s contrasting the former life of waiting around and doing nothing to the subsequent life on the move or speeding along imagery. Like flipping through a book (or channels on a TV), he’s flipping or flashing through the scene.

    Great analysis!

  449. Hi, the phrase “its a trip, I’m a flip” a flip is the very popular mini camera that you just flip open and it takes in the scene ~ my daughter said that the minute she heard the lyrics and thought it was cool that he is so current ~ its like he takes a quick survey shot of the scene and moves right through it – he’s got it, no need for procrastination

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