Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Feb 22-28

Time to extinguish the flame, pull off the moose hats and stop trying to get Sid the Kid canonized. It’s time to unlace the skates and unbuckle the boots. It’s time to turn our backs on sports and turn to the serious business of radio.

Who’s at the top of the podium? Who has their personal best? Who went off course at the fifth gate? The biggest leap of the week goes to Adam Lambert’s WWFM that jumped a whopping 50 spots and over the top 40 HS line on AC. The song also hit a milestone in another discipline when it slid across the top 20 line on HAC giving it two finishes in the top 20 and 3 in top 40.

Over at the CAC cross-country track, Phil Stacey not only gave us the scoop on the behind the scenes shennigans (where the Idol PTB change the wax on your skis, break your poles and put fireants in your aerodynamic outfit) he also managed to get his pole over the line to finish 45th. Because Mandissa got lost out on the course (i.e. she went recurrent), that leaves Phil in possession of the top of the Idol podium in that format.

Also topping the Idol podium in their formats are Kelly (AC), Daughtry (HAC), Carrie (Country) and Kris (Pop). New personal bests for their current songs were Adam on 3 charts (Pop, HAC, AC), Carrie (Country), Danny (Country), Daughtry (Pop), Kris (AC) and Phil (CAC).

Here are your Monday Morning Mediabase Updates for airplay as of 9:28 pm of 02/28/10 after the triple-flip jump.

Adam Lambert:
“Whataya Want From Me”: ^18 Pop (20), ^19 HAC (21), ^38 AC (88)

Carrie Underwood:
“Cowboy Casanova” : 27 HAC (28)
“Temporary Home” : ^8 Country (9)

Danny Gokey:
“My Best Days are Ahead”: ^34 Country (40)

Daughtry:
“Life After You”: ^5 HAC (5), ^23 Pop (22), ^30 AC (36)
“No Surprise”: 5 AC (4)

Jason Castro:
“Let’s Just Fall in Love”: 47 HAC (47)

Katharine McPhee:
“Had it All” : ^25 AC (25)

Kellie Pickler:
“Didn’t You Know How Much I Loved You”: ^15 Country (14)

Kelly Clarkson:
“Already Gone”: ^4 AC (5), 8 HAC (7)

Kris Allen:
“Live Like We Are Dying”: 7 HAC (6), ^13 Pop (13) ^24 AC (28)

Phil Stacey:
“Some Kind of Love”: ^45 CAC (58)

Ruben Studdard:
“Don’t Make ‘Em Like…”: 17 UAC (16)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous week. The “^” (aka “a bullet”) indicates that a song gained spins since last week

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162 Comments

  1. iTunes Checkpoint (Top 300)
    9 Kris Allen “Let it Be (Live)”
    18/240 Kris Allen “Live Like We’re Dying” – lw 22
    22 Adam Lambert “Whattaya Want From Me” – lw 20
    26 We Are the World “USA for Africa” – 5
    43 Daughtry “Life After You” – lw 57
    48 General Larry Platt – Pants On the Ground – 39
    58 Carrie Underwood “Temporary Home” – lw 69
    86 Carrie Underwood “Cowboy Casanova” – lw 74
    125 Kelly Clarkson “Already Gone” – lw 110
    183 Kellie Pickler “Didn’t You Know How Much I Loved You” – 297
    242 Jordin Sparks “Battlefield” – lw 186
    243 Daughtry “No Surprise” – lw 285
    278 Carrie Underwood “Before He Cheats”
    284 Allison Iraheta “Scars”

  2. OMG Kirsten – I’m at work and your summary made me laugh out loud! I’m now sitting here very embarassed but thanks for the Monday humor!!

  3. Glad that Danny’s single is moving solidly up into the top 40 after the one week recently where he got pushed down a little by the Reba / Martina/ George Strait / Kenny Chesney / etc. heavy-hitter train rolling in with new songs. He seems to be moving in the right direction to possibly break into the country top 30 this month.

  4. I’m glad to see Danny keep on moving up. His album is #13 overall on Amazon right now; #3 on country right now. It’s #30 overall on itunes and #5 in country. I’m so excited and can’t wait to get his album in my hands.

    Good to see Jason charting. I wasn’t a fan of his during season 7, but I like that song!! It’s cute and simple. :)

    Overall, nice job, Idols!!

  5. So excited to see Allison in the iTunes top 300. Also, love the support for Let It Be.

  6. I was really hoping that Danny’s single would be in the Top 40 when his album released, it’s great to see that come to pass. I hope that today we will see some good radio adds. Sounds like he really impressed at the CRS event last week, will be nice if that pays off in adds over the next couple of weeks to help with visibility.

  7. Danny just got added by a station in Chicago, WUSN-FM. That is a good add #3 market rank.

  8. I’m really pleased with Kris’ continued climb and holding patterns. Kris Allen (the album) is #9 on the iTunes overall chart and has been holding his top 10 position over the weekend. I’m really looking forward to sales this week. It’s great to see him listed in both top 10 songs and albums on iTunes!

    One of Carrie’s songs was used on Cold Case last night. The setting was a wedding and I was nodding off (I have the flu) and it immediately woke me up. I love that show and they always use some great music throughout.

  9. I’m happy about Adam’s 50 spots. Still under wll FS’s spell. :)

  10. One of Carrie’s songs was used on Cold Case last night. The setting was a wedding and I was nodding off (I have the flu) and it immediately woke me up. I love that show and they always use some great music throughout.

    TwigLA, any idea which song this is?

    Thanks for the info btw :)

  11. 3 Auto Adds on HAC for WWFM this morning. Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Orlando. These stations have decent spins already, but it’s nice to see.

    I have my extra ketchup for tomorrow in case Cumulus adds Top 40.

  12. Yey, Kris! :)

    I hope LIB moves up further. Just so more proceeds can go to Haiti.

  13. 3 Auto Adds on HAC for WWFM this morning. Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Orlando.

    He also has 2 unmonitored HAC adds (those radio stations have listeners too! even if the spins don’t count for mediabase purposes). WWFM is the most added HAC song so far today….obviously that will probably change as the day goes on, but still nice to see.

    SR4MJC, I hope you get to use that ketchup.

  14. So happy for Kris!!

    Dana: hope LIB moves up further. Just so more proceeds can go to Haiti.

    Me too!

  15. your intro cracked me up..
    I hope LIB gets pimped again this week on the show so it maintains its position on itunes.
    I’m curious to see Kris album digital sales for last week

  16. thanks mmb, I like to look at the combined and didn’t switch it this morning, it just looks more positive that way!

  17. Question: are digital sales counted in total sales for the week? I know i’ve seen them reported separately, but are they counted separately too?

    I’m not expecting a huge sales week for Kris, although I am expecting a nice percent increase for him :)

  18. Since LLWD has a higher ranking on iTunes than it had last week there is a chance Kris might get platinum this week. Brian May said he only needed to sell like 700 more this week than he did last week. It’s going to be a tense couple of days until the numbers come out.

  19. Question: are digital sales counted in total sales for the week? I know i’ve seen them reported separately, but are they counted separately too?

    I’m not expecting a huge sales week for Kris, although I am expecting a nice percent increase for him

    I’m pretty sure digital sales are counted in the overall total, although the number is broken out seperately to show how the digital sales were.

    As long as KATA keeps selling I’ll be happy – but I would love to see a nice increase, especially since Kris is now also picking up some nice AC adds.

  20. nice to see the upward movement for Adam and Danny. Looks like LLWD is stalling on Hot AC, but now it’s moving up on the AC chart!

    Adds so far this week (includes any adds from late last week)

    Kris – 4 AC, 1 Christian CHR, 1 Canadian Hot AC

    Adam – 5 Hot AC

    Danny – 1 Country

  21. Since LLWD has a higher ranking on iTunes than it had last week there is a chance Kris might get platinum this week.

    The album version of the song also so an up-tick in sales. The sales from the two versions of the song will be added together.

  22. If you see the USA Today article about Adam’s increase in AC, you’ll see that it is attributed to WALK and WKJY.

    Never underestimate Adam’s Long Island, NY fan base. A very dedicated and loyal group! We have been requesting WWFM for weeks.

  23. LLWD has moved up one spot on the daily mediabase Pop chart from where he stands on the just published official chart, so there may be some life left for the song in that format.

    POP:
    13 12 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 5268 4919 349 30.772
    +33 Spins
    -37 Bullet
    +0.289 AI

    HAC:
    6 7 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 3150 3187 -37 16.655
    +9 Spins
    -21 Bullet
    +0.121 AI

    POP:
    20 18 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 4176 3938 238 28.749
    +36 Spins
    -18 Bullet
    +0.187 AI

    HAC:
    20 19 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1323 1129 194 6.914
    +42 Spins
    -26 Bullet
    +0.319 AI

  24. I’m not expecting a huge sales week for Kris, although I am expecting a nice percent increase for him

    I think Kris will have AT LEAST doubled his sales. Because his digital sales, which had been around 1000ish per week, probably tripled or quadrupled (or more?). Even assuming a much more modest increase in hard copy sales, and who knows, he may have had a big increase there as well, I think we will see more than a 100% increase for KATA this week. Its going to be a GREAT week to be a Kris fan (and I say that as someone who is completely indifferent to Kris.) i also predict that LLWD goes platinum this week.

  25. Never underestimate Adam’s Long Island, NY fan base. A very dedicated and loyal group!

    Adam should move to NYC. We love him in the tri-state area!

  26. 3 Auto Adds on HAC for WWFM this morning. Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Orlando. These stations have decent spins already, but it’s nice to see.

    I have my extra ketchup for tomorrow in case Cumulus adds Top 40.

    You know… cumulus have HAC stations as well… and they usually add when a track enters top20… and WWFM is #19 this week. Not gonna happen probably but you might have to use that ketchup early.

  27. Question: are digital sales counted in total sales for the week? I know i’ve seen them reported separately, but are they counted separately too?

    I’m not expecting a huge sales week for Kris, although I am expecting a nice percent increase for him

    This would be really nice but let’s not jinx him on either. Plus how nice would it be to see Adam/WWFM go GOLD the same week Kris/LLWD goes PLATINUM – both guys deserve such amazing milestones.

  28. You know… cumulus have HAC stations as well… and they usually add when a track enters top20… and WWFM is #19 this week. Not gonna happen probably but you might have to use that ketchup early.

    Gladly! I love ketchup.

  29. So those of you in the know, what songs are between LLWD and LAY on HAC? There was a great chart recently that showed the chart placements and spins–anybody have that? And, is LLWD “dead” on this format or can the stalling out we’re seeing be reversed? I’m no expert so I’m asking. Thanks!

    Great update for WWFM and MBD–go season 8! (But wish Allison was on the charts, too! Boo.)

  30. This would be really nice but let’s not jinx him on either. Plus how nice would it be to see Adam/WWFM go GOLD the same week Kris/LLWD goes PLATINUM – both guys deserve such amazing milestones.

    Oh I have no doubts that he’ll go platinum this week :) But no worries, I don’t think his sales will be made or broken because of my words on a page ;)

    I do hope you’re right about his sales numbers for this week, but to me, even a 100% increase, while a terrific percentage, is still not a huge sales number in the grade scheme. It wouldn’t even put him back on the chart based on last weeks turnout. I’d take it and be happy for sure, but for it to be really great would be a number that puts him back in the top 200, imho.

  31. Does anyone know when Scars is going for adds?

    I haven’t seen anything reported on pulse… I hope they change their mind about that single. Here’s for D for Dangerous!!!

  32. Not sure where Carrie’s Play On was on Itunes chart last week but she had 2,000 digital downloads last week according to USA Today. That would be a guideline to use when trying to estimate Kris’s digital CD sales this week.

  33. Let It Be moved back up 1 spot to #9 on iTunes. I wonder what sort of sales numbers it will put up, considering it wasn’t released until Friday afternoon. 2 1/2 days in the Top 10 = ???

    I hope it doesn’t start to slip down the charts too rapidly. Haiti needs all the help it can get!

  34. So those of you in the know, what songs are between LLWD and LAY on HAC? There was a great chart recently that showed the chart placements and spins–anybody have that? And, is LLWD “dead” on this format or can the stalling out we’re seeing be reversed? I’m no expert so I’m asking. Thanks!

    Rob Thomas’ Someday sits between LLWD and LAY but it is dropping and will likely fall below LLWD. But Lady Gaga and Bad Romance are chasing right behind LLWD and depending on how things go it can overtake LLWD. I’m actually surprised about the decrease in spins for LLWD because it had really been oing very well most of this past week – I wish I understood why that happened.

  35. Lorismile
    Kris has sold 1000-2000 digital copies of his album pretty much every week, even when the album ranked low on iTunes. Since it’s been sitting in the Top 10 much of this last week, I’m expecting more in the 3000-4000+ range, although it’s always hard to figure out what the iTnes album ranks mean in terms of actual digital sales

  36. Since Adam is 8 weeks behind Kris on his single, I just think it may be more appropriate to talk about Adam hitting platinum with WWFM eight weeks from now. As far as I can tell his sales have kept comparable with Kris’ based on the same number of weeks on the charts. So an early congrats to Kris on a million…and cheers to Adam for being on a platinum projection.

  37. It wouldn’t even put him back on the chart based on last weeks turnout. I’d take it and be happy for sure, but for it to be really great would be a number that puts him back in the top 200, imho.

    You are confusing charts. Kris has never dropped out of the Billboard 200 chart. He dropped off of the Hits Daily Double top 50 estimated chart a long time ago. But those are only estimates, and they only include the top 50.

  38. I’d take it and be happy for sure, but for it to be really great would be a number that puts him back in the top 200, imho.

    Kris’s album was #154 last week – he was not in the HDD Top 50 projections, but he was still in the Billboard Top 200 – so an increase would see this ranking rise, unless there were numerous other albums that rose all around him.

  39. Since Adam is 8 weeks behind Kris on his single, I just think it may be more appropriate to talk about Adam hitting platinum with WWFM eight weeks from now. As far as I can tell his sales have kept comparable with Kris’ based on the same number of weeks on the charts. So an early congrats to Kris on a million…and cheers to Adam for being on a platinum projection.

    Lol, how is it more appropriate to talk about Adam hitting platinum like Kris when Kris is about to do it, while Adam like you said is months away? A lot can happen in 8 weeks, and with rumblings about the new single already starting who knows if WWFM is going to get 8 more weeks of being pushed on the radio.

  40. Lol, how is it more appropriate to talk about Adam hitting platinum like Kris when Kris is about to do it, while Adam like you said is months away? A lot can happen in 8 weeks, and with rumblings about the new single already starting who knows if WWFM is going to get 8 more weeks of being pushed on the radio

    I agree – especially since my post, which is what you were commenting on, I was giving congrats to Adam for being about to his GOLD – why is there a need to take away from Kris’s accomplishment to plug Adam when I was actually trying to give props to both guys. Once Adam hits gold, I would be perfectly happy to promote the idea of his going platinum, but the need to knock on Kris’s accomplishment to focus on something that Adam is still weeks away from seems kind of silly to me. I have no problem with someone who isn’t a Kris fan, that’s your choice, but I’m just not sure why you need to make this about Adam.

  41. I think we could see a good, strong 10-12k sales this week with Kris! Am I delusional or too optimistic?

  42. You are confusing charts. Kris has never dropped out of the Billboard 200 chart. He dropped off of the Hits Daily Double top 50 estimated chart a long time ago. But those are only estimates, and they only include the top 50.

    oops, yes, I am confusing them, thank you!

  43. considering WWFM is just going gold this week, it’s a little early to start talking about it going platinum. It definitely is on track to do so, and I assume it will get there — in about 2 1/2-3 months’ time — but it might depend on how soon RCA/19 decide to release the next single. It’s hard to push multiple singles — most radio stations would like play one or the other, but not both — at least not in heavy rotation.

  44. The last song I can remember going up on iTunes on a Friday was We Are The World and it ended up selling 267,000 but it immediately shot up to #2 then quickly #1 so I dont know what to expect with LIB. what was the highest it got up to?

  45. Since Adam is 8 weeks behind Kris on his single, I just think it may be more appropriate to talk about Adam hitting platinum with WWFM eight weeks from now. As far as I can tell his sales have kept comparable with Kris’ based on the same number of weeks on the charts. So an early congrats to Kris on a million…and cheers to Adam for being on a platinum projection.

    As much as I love Adam, i am not so sure that WWFM will go platinum in the next 2 months (or maybe ever). Jive timed the release of LLWD perfectly IMO….it was out long enough to get a high enough chart position around the xmas holidays that it was the beneficiary of huge sales at that time (of course, radio and the public had to like it, which they did, its a great song) LLWD sold something like 200K downloads in 2 weeks at xmas time. WWFM is never going to get sales like that in a 2 week period imo. One of the downsides of the FYE mess was that WWFM was not in a good position over the xmas holidays (yes, it did get big sales increase, but nothing like the songs in the top 25 at that time did). I’m not saying this to in any way take anything away from LLWD. It is having a great run and getting a great response and IMO Jive did all the right things in connection with the song and the timing of things. LLWD would likely still go platinum without the big Xmas bump, but it would just take a month or so longer. Whether WWFM can continue to sell in the 50K range for 10 more weeks is anyone’s guess.

  46. sr4mjc

    that’s probably too optimistic. Kris sold approx. 4K last week. I’m thinking doubling that might even be too optimistic. Just because it jumped on itunes doesn’t meaning it’s selling in actual stores. I’ve got my fingers crossed for 6K+ and would be happily thrilled if it gets 8K+ this week

  47. Trina

    The highest Let It Be has gotten is #7. It’s been between #7-#10 pretty much the whole time since the few few hours after it was released

  48. I’ve got my fingers crossed for 6K+ and would be happily thrilled if it gets 8K+ this week

    girlygirl — i think you are going to be thrilled…..i strongly believe KATA will have well over 8K this week

  49. I’ve got my fingers crossed for 6K+ and would be happily thrilled if it gets 8K+ this week

    That’s my Kris reality check, too, girlygirl. But my fantasy is for double digits! I hope you are correct, mmb!

  50. If you see the USA Today article about Adam’s increase in AC, you’ll see that it is attributed to WALK and WKJY.

    WWFM went from 7 spins last week to 41 this week on the AC spin chart. AC spins are quite low unless you’re in the top 10.

  51. girlygirl:
    03/01/2010 at 11:26 am
    Lorismile
    Kris has sold 1000-2000 digital copies of his album pretty much every week, even when the album ranked low on iTunes. Since it’s been sitting in the Top 10 much of this last week, I’m expecting more in the 3000-4000+ range, although it’s always hard to figure out what the iTnes album ranks mean in terms of actual digital sales

    I know he’s sold that much digitally. I was trying to say if Carrie’s been in the teens in the charts we could use that – I’m just not sure her exact position on the chart – and she sold 2000 downloads.

    How sad that we hope Kris makes 8K?? How sad that I’m happy when Adam stays above 10K?? Amazing how bad album sales are overall.

  52. I’m learning to keep my expectations low, at least in terms of album sales. I was so disappointed back in November/December with Kris’s and Allison’s album sales — and even a little bummed about Adam’s, because there were people who seemed convinced they’d sell way more than they did. That’s why I’m doubting Danny’s sales are going to be anything more than meh this week (I’m still thinking he won’t outdo Kris’s debut week of 80K, I’m thinking 50-70K would actually be really good for him — but probably too high an est.). And we’ve seen that jumps on itunes doesn’t result in a huge jump in actual sales numbers. I’m still stoked to see Kris’s album in the Top 10 of the itunes chart, though.

  53. Aw, Kirsten…totally missed opportunity in that opening paragraph: “time to deflate the giant beavers…”

  54. As much as I love Adam, i am not so sure that WWFM will go platinum in the next 2 months (or maybe ever). Jive timed the release of LLWD perfectly IMO….it was out long enough to get a high enough chart position around the xmas holidays that it was the beneficiary of huge sales at that time (of course, radio and the public had to like it, which they did, its a great song) LLWD sold something like 200K downloads in 2 weeks at xmas time. WWFM is never going to get sales like that in a 2 week period imo.

    I disagree. Adam sold more each week that makes up for the Xmas bump LLWD got.

    Week 13: Week before Xmas
    LLWD total sales were 290
    WWFM Total sales were 485

    Week 14: Week after Xmas
    LLWD total sales were 399K
    WWFM won’t know total sales until Wed. If we estimate 50K, it would bring total sales to 535K-which puts him at gold on week 14.

    Week 15: Two weeks after Xmas where itunes downloads still going.
    LLWS total sales 486K
    WWFM won’t know til sales come that week. Estimate 40K, ilt would bring total sales to 575K

    LLWD went Gold on week 16 AFTER the big Christmas bump. He reached 550K that week. ADam is selling more over time to account for the bump.

    So yes, I think Adam will head towards platinum. I think they will be within a week or two of each other (speaking in terms of sales weeks) of both selling platinum.

    ETA: THis is NOT to descredit Kris in any way. It was in a response to doubting ADam would go Platinum b/c he did not get the big Xmas bump.

  55. “I’m learning to keep my expectations low, at least in terms of album sales. I was so disappointed back in November/December with Kris’s and Allison’s album sales — and even a little bummed about Adam’s, because there were people who seemed convinced they’d sell way more than they did. ”

    girlygirl – ITA. It seems to me there has have been several key factors to the change in album sales figures for IDOLs since S1. I think the biggest issue is the economy. During S1, we were at the start of a bull market, which remained bullish until the end of 2007 when the financial markets started tanking. The financial markets continued to tank through 2008, into 2009 when it was determined that we were in a deep recession, drawing parallels to The Great Depression.

    Add to that the increasing issues w/piracy, and the fact that the IDOL “novelty” seems to have worn off, and you have a recipe for disaster for recent IDOLs and their sales.

    There have been some newer artists selling like blockbusters, so it is possible for IDOLs to come out of the gate like SuBo did, but it is certainly a lot harder to do. We’re in a different world now than we were even 3 years ago. I’m getting depressed thinking about this, actually.

  56. What the heck is going on with DC’s album on iTunes? I know all Idol albums saw huge jumps due to the sale but he seems to be going higher and higher. By Friday he was in the 130’s, then by the weekend up and down between around 86-89 now he’s 74. Any idea what’s causiing this? NBC played that commercial with Heroes a bunch all weekend but the song or artist isn’t mentioned..?

  57. ETA: THis is NOT to descredit Kris in any way. It was in a response to doubting ADam would go Platinum b/c he did not get the big Xmas bump.

    I never thought you were trying to discredit Kris in anyway, but I don’t really understand the need to compare the weekly details for these guys and the singles. Both releases were done nuder very different circumstances with different releases and the labels have supported the releases very differently as well. However, I do think that if RCA does release a new single too quickly it might hamper the potential WWFM has. I think this whole argument was brought about because of the rumors that have come out regarding the next single Adam will be releasing as there is more info out there on this then on a next single for Kris. For this week, I am more focused on Adam getting his GOLD single and Kris getting his PLATINUM single because these are the milestones that are right in front of each of them. If in the future, WWFM goes platinum I will be happy about that, but right now all the conjecture for this seems so far-reaching, when the GOLD status is staring him in the face, and to me, this is what we all should celebrate for him, because unless something really weird is going on, he’s going to get this achievement this week.

  58. I don’t think the recession is even the biggest reason for the S8 album numbers being what they are. It doesn’t help, but the Davids didn’t exactly release their albums when the economy was in great shape. Kris and Adam’s big radio airplay came way too late for the fourth quarter sales boost that really helped raise the Fall 2008 album totals for the Davids. LLWD peaking now isn’t going to help Kris’s album sales as much as it would have if the song had been this high in airplay the week his album dropped, and he was all over TV promoting it. I looked back and by this time two years ago, Jordin was already well into her second single moving up the charts and her album sales were starting to rise as well. Adam’s on his second single, but not because the first one was this huge Pop hit that went recurrent. I think whatever label signs the S9 winner will really strive to get them a presence on the radio much earlier.

  59. I think whatever label signs the S9 winner will really strive to get them a presence on the radio much earlier.

    But maybe what they lost in initial album sales they gain in longevity? I think both DC’s and DA’s album lacked hitsingles and maybe waiting longer gave Kris and Adam better quality stuff (and then I mean hit single stuff). To me both Kris and Adam are doing very well.

  60. But maybe what they lost in initial album sales they gain in longevity? I think both DC’s and DA’s album lacked hitsingles and maybe waiting longer gave Kris and Adam better quality stuff (and then I mean hit single stuff).

    Maybe in Adam’s case, but with Kris, he was pretty much told LLWD would be his first single and he had it to play for people before the tour was over. It obviously already existed before Kris went for even one writing session, and all he had to do was record it. I don’t understand why LLWD couldn’t have made its radio debut in August, like Jordin and Archie’s first singles did. Those two were both with Jive and their first singles were debuted before the tour was over, so it’s a little strange to me that they changed the pattern for Kris.

  61. Maybe in Adam’s case, but with Kris, he was pretty much told LLWD would be his first single and it’s not like he hadn’t been recording even before the Idols tour began. I don’t see any reason why LLWD couldn’t have made its radio debut in August, like Jordin and Archie’s first singles did (I mention them because they are both with Jive as well).

    I admit that suprised me as well… but also remember that Kris was not available to do radio promo during that time or even during the time he recorded the album and that made LLWD have a slow start.

  62. I don’t think the recession is even the biggest reason for the S8 album numbers being what they are. It doesn’t help, but the Davids didn’t exactly release their albums when the economy was in great shape.

    The economy may not be the only reason for the dip in sales, but when the David’s released their album the unemployment rate was about 6%, as opposed to 10% when S8 IDOLs released theirs. While the economy wasn’t in great shape, the full impact of the tanking of financial companies wasn’t realized until we were into 2009, when many Americans began to lose their homes.

    I also agree that timing is an issue. It seems like the IDOL “formula” has these poor kids racing to release an album way too quickly, presumably to “strike while the iron is hot.” While I understand this, it seems like most artists release 1 or 2 singles well before the album is released so people have an interest in the album by hearing 1 or 2 songs on the radio. With an annual winner, I’m not sure what they would change, but if they could allow for one single to be released relatively early while allowing more time for the album, it could benefit these kids more.

  63. OUCH!!! HDD has initial list up with 51% reporting and numbers are super duper low at the bottom of the chart….so it just looks weird. Adam is at #44 with 3033. No kris or allison. #50 is listed as having 1096. Carrie is at 17 with 14, 500ish. I am guessing that this does not include any itunes sales, bc all 3 of alli, kris and adam would have had well over 1000 digital downloads.. something just looks strange, because the drop off between the top 30 and 30-50 is soooo steeep. weird I am guessing at least the bottom of the list is going to look at lot different at the end of the day tomorrow

  64. Don’t forget: That dreadful NB “coronation song” didn’t do Kris (or even Adam) any favors either.

    But the economy MUST be a part of this discussion. People aren’t throwing around $10 like they did a year ago. It has hit all segments and all geographies. Even the “upscale” suburbs.

  65. Jordin/Archie’s schedule was the same as Kris so why wouldn’t he have time to do promo? They both had the AI tour and recording in between. Both premiered their songs on Z100 in the middle of the tour.

    I think both David’s had possible hits remaining but IMO the problem was Jive/RCA released the wrong followup singles. I think Jordin had more hits on her first CD as well if Jive didn’t pull the plug so fast.

  66. This is a little OT, but I wasn’t sure where to put this question. I keep wondering (and it may have been posted umpteen times in the past, and I just didn’t see it or something) how radio stations determine their play list order. I ask because a Top 40 radio station out of Tampa had had WWFM at number one for a couple of weeks, and now it has slid down to the #3 spot on their play list. At KissFm/Chicago, it was #30 last week and is now somewhere in the low 20’s (22, I think?), and at Z100/New York, WWFM had been #2 a couple weeks ago, then moved to the #3 spot, and now is in the #1 spot. It’s awesome because it seems to be gaining ground in some areas, but I don’t understand how they determine where it falls or why different stations have it ranked so differently. It’s probably a dumb question, but I’d love to be enlightened!

  67. Someone recently had an idea that the winner would be better served by releasing an EP in late fall, then a full album in the spring, giving them more time to work on their music. I think this would be an excellent idea. I would welcome the extra time for them, and use the existing time to work on fewer songs, if the end result is a better product.

  68. This is a little OT, but I wasn’t sure where to put this question. I keep wondering (and it may have been posted umpteen times in the past, and I just didn’t see it or something) how radio stations determine their play list order. I ask because a Top 40 radio station out of Tampa had had WWFM at number one for a couple of weeks, and now it has slid down to the #3 spot on their play list. At KissFm/Chicago, it was #30 last week and is now somewhere in the low 20’s (22, I think?), and at Z100/New York, WWFM had been #2 a couple weeks ago, then moved to the #3 spot, and now is in the #1 spot.

    I think there is some guessing is involved.

    Radio stations will do call-out surveys with their listeners. They will look at surveys done by larger groups like RateTheMusic. They will watch how the songs are doing on the charts. They’ll see what kind of requests they are getting. They’ll look at how similar songs have performed in the past. They probably factor iTunes sales a little (certainly, that seemed to affect “Fireflies” trajectory). And then the PD will use his gut feel about how he/she thinks listeners will respond. That’s what they get paid for.

    You will see songs peaking on different stations at different times. If a station is an early adapter and puts a song in heavy rotation, it may be one of the first to start cutting spins. Pop songs typically have a short shelf life and the stations move onto the next song.

  69. Krirsten, can’t radio promo also factor in? I know Adam was in Tampa for their jingle ball even if he didn’t perform. He has also done promo fr z100.

  70. Jordin/Archie’s schedule was the same as Kris so why wouldn’t he have time to do promo? They both had the AI tour and recording in between. Both premiered their songs on Z100 in the middle of the tour.

    Trina, Kris was too much busy to write for his album which wasn’t the case of Jordin/Archie. I remember an interview where Allison said that Kris was always working at it.

  71. Maybe I am crazy, but I expect Kris to sell more than 10K this week. He got a bigger itunes bump than Adam got from his Oprah appearance and Adam sold more than 30k that week (I think). I’m not an huge idol sales expert like some of you guys, and I’m totaly especulating here, but I expect (and hope) that Kris will sell 15K this week.

    And the fact that we think that’s such an amazing thing for an artist that was just promoted in front of 20 million people to sell 10k units is just sad, isn’t it?

    I don’t know about WWFM going platinum, when is not even gold yet, and Adam is already talking about his next single. I think RCA is more concerned about album sales than singles sales. There’s no way they didn’t expect Adam’s album to go platinum (again, especulating here), and they will push for that no matter what.

  72. 53% reporting:

    50 45 ADAM LAMBERT 19/RCA/RMG 3,033
    FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT

    No Kris or Allison

  73. Soberba, Adam is also consistently very high on Amazon’s overall bestseller’s list. Kris is never found even in the top 100, iirc. Not even this past week, I believe. I know Amazon does not account for a huge amount of sales, but for an audience like Oprah’s, I believe they would be more likely to be Amazon buyers rather than iTunes buyers, so i’m not sure you can assume sales like that for Kris based on his iTunes ranking.

  74. Someone recently had an idea that the winner would be better served by releasing an EP in late fall, then a full album in the spring, giving them more time to work on their music. I think this would be an excellent idea. I would welcome the extra time for them, and use the existing time to work on fewer songs, if the end result is a better product.

    I think the idea is worthed. What i like in this idea is that not only they would have time to produce better albums but the artist would have more time to write his own stuff too (if applicable) and I really think that the AI shows s/b then used as the launching platform for the said album for whoever has been signed

  75. I don’t know… I am super happy with how things have turned out for Adam, wouldn’t do anything differently. Album sales and all.

  76. 53% reporting:

    50 45 ADAM LAMBERT 19/RCA/RMG 3,033
    FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT

    No Kris or Allison

    Ouch. Hope there is some good stuff in the next 47 percent. Because otherwise … ouch.

  77. The economy may not be the only reason for the dip in sales, but when the David’s released their album the unemployment rate was about 6%, as opposed to 10% when S8 IDOLs released theirs. While the economy wasn’t in great shape, the full impact of the tanking of financial companies wasn’t realized until we were into 2009, when many Americans began to lose their homes.

    Why was the S8 tour on par/slightly above the S7 numbers in a worse economy? Tour tickets cost more than an album. Sure, the Idol tour is playing to the base in a way that albums don’t, necessarily, but that makes me look at other factors about why the S8 albums didn’t take off as quickly as the S7 ones. If I look at Cook vs. Kris or Adam, I can say there was less of a disconnect between his style on the show and the style of his album. OTOH, Archie’s first single was very radio-friendly, youthful and mid-tempo, which didn’t go so well for him when he attempted that style on the show. So that’s a wash. Then I compare the studio download sales from their respective seasons to gauge the size of their fanbases. From the numbers we know, Cook was selling more than Kris, but not more than three times as much (the difference in their first-week album sales). Is it something else, then? Maybe radio airplay. By the time Cook’s album dropped, he had been on the radio for almost six months straight, between Magic Rainbows and Light On. I’m not saying Kris would have had an 280K first week in the same circumstances, but I don’t think Cook would have either if he’d been saddled with “No Boundaries” and then the cover “drama” surrounding the song after that.

    I’m glad LLWD is doing well, but I think a different song debuting earlier would have had him in less of a hole with the album sales. Is there really a need for the big in-station Z100 promotion? It can help with early spins to have that relationship, but didn’t they not play it at first anyway? Would radio have felt horribly snubbed if “Before We Come Undone” or whatever had just showed up on Kris’s offiical MySpace/Youtube channel one day in August? I really don’t know, I’m just wondering.

  78. Kirsten: Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question and for your great explanation!

  79. Ouch. Hope there is some good stuff in the next 47 percent. Because otherwise … ouch.

    Lucy, see my post above. the bottom rankings look weird, and I am guessing this update does not include itunes (since the #50 on HDD chart is at about 1100).

  80. lucy:
    03/01/2010 at 2:48 pm

    53% reporting:

    50 45 ADAM LAMBERT 19/RCA/RMG 3,033
    FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT

    No Kris or Allison

    Ouch. Hope there is some good stuff in the next 47 percent. Because otherwise … ouch.

    Ouch indeed…Adam I think will be aroud 10K when the final number come in But maybe not.

  81. alaadam:
    03/01/2010 at 2:39 pm
    53% reporting:

    50 45 ADAM LAMBERT 19/RCA/RMG 3,033
    FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT

    No Kris or Allison

    Good for Adam hanging in the Top 50 still after 14 weeks!!! :)

    Adam & Carrie are the only Idols in the Top 50 still!

  82. Kris has 5 AC adds so far this week! Plus a CHR, 1 HAC, and two Canada adds! 9 total! (combined reporter)

  83. I’m glad LLWD is doing well, but I think a different song debuting earlier would have had him in less of a hole with the album sales.

    I don’t know about a different song.. but perhaps an earlier debut might have helped.

    I do like the EP idea. They can record the same amount of songs (usually around 30) and just pick the best 5 or 6. If gives them some breathing room to flesh out the rest by the spring.

  84. How many AC stations are there, as compared to CHR and HAC? It seems to be a very slow moving format since Already Gone and No Surprise have been out forever and they’re still in the top 5. It’s good that AC likes the Idols!

  85. mmb:
    03/01/2010 at 2:50 pm

    Ouch. Hope there is some good stuff in the next 47 percent. Because otherwise … ouch.

    Lucy, see my post above. the bottom rankings look weird, and I am guessing this update does not include itunes (since the #50 on HDD chart is at about 1100).

    Sounds right. … Here’s hoping!

  86. I’m gonna be pessimistic for Adam and say 8k and optimistic for Kris at 10-12k :)

    HAC adds are kinda sucky for Adam today.

  87. she’s not idol related, but i gotta give big props to Sade, and those amazingly strong sales for SOLDIER OF LOVE… this woman is an inspiration – for keeping her musical integrity and her commitment to substance over style in the forefront of her career… when you can go 10 years between cd’s, weather countless music and industry trends and fads, be written off when the likes of norah jones hit the scene, and roar back like she has, with her fanbase intact and strong, and newer fans becoming aware of you and your body of work daily, what more could we want from any of our faves… may they be so lucky as she… she is the definition of a real, bonafide superstar, if anyone wants to remember what that species looks like… :lol: she is fierceness, and cool, glam and class personified…

    http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=artistkz&action=display&thread=80536&page=6

  88. Honestly, I’m not sure about the EP idea. If it doesn’t sell, the label might decide to cut their losses and fold on the full album. I’m sure the contracts would be drafted to give 19/label all the flexibility they’d need to make whatever decision was most advantageous to themselves. And if the Idol winners started putting out EPs instead of full albums, I think it would erode the reputation of the show for producing legitimate musical talent even more.

    Also, don’t forget the role of iTunes downloads (and illegal downloads) in terms of cutting into album sales on an increasing basis every year. iTunes just celebrated its 1 billionth download in February and printed a list of the top 10 downloaded songs of all time. Two were songs from 2007, five were from 2008 and three were from 2009. The very people Idol is trying to pitch its artists to, i.e. listeners of Top 40 radio, simply don’t buy albums anymore.

  89. she’s not idol related, but i gotta give big props to Sade, and those amazingly strong sales for SOLDIER OF LOVE… this woman is an inspiration

    Cheers to that! It is amazing to me that Sade was the big new thing when I was in college (we LOVED her — she inspired countless purchases of huge hoop earrings), essentially disappeared, and came roaring back. And she is in her late 40s/early 50s, right?

  90. There could be several reasons to explain the difference in first week sales for David/Kris and maybe having 2 songs on the radio helped David, but how do you explain the weeks to follow and the huge difference? The same way LLWD caught up to LO Kris could have caught on more with his album. Forget the actual sales numbers but at this point a year ago David was in the 30’s on the BB 200, he wasn’t anywhere near where Kris is now and he held up pretty well for quite a while. Adam’s airplay started even later than Kris’ and his album is holding up much better too.

  91. Cheers to that! It is amazing to me that Sade was the big new thing when I was in college (we LOVED her — she inspired countless purchases of huge hoop earrings), essentially disappeared, and came roaring back. And she is in her late 40s/early 50s, right?

    she is 51 years old. look at her on that link i posted w/my comment… ah-may-zing. and still fierce as hell, lol.

  92. she is 51 years old. look at her on that link i posted w/my comment… ah-may-zing. and still fierce as hell, lol.

    Yup she is hot

  93. Ahhh Sade. LOVE her. I’m so happy for her comeback sucess! She and Maxwell need to write a book or something :)

  94. There could be several reasons to explain the difference in first week sales for David/Kris and maybe having 2 songs on the radio helped David, but how do you explain the weeks to follow and the huge difference? The same way LLWD caught up to LO Kris could have caught on more with his album. Forget the actual sales numbers but at this point a year ago David was in the 30’s on the BB 200, he wasn’t anywhere near where Kris is now and he held up pretty well for quite a while. Adam’s airplay started even later than Kris’ and his album is holding up much better too.

    LO was the second song people were hearing from Cook after Time of My Life, so maybe it drove more album sales (cannibalizing LO’s single sales somewhat). And there was that Cook-centric ad for AI S8 featuring LO that ran from November to January on Fox, keeping David and his new music in the public consciousness, in a way that didn’t happen for Kris. Adam got a big Oprah appearance in January, he sang on Ellen’s birthday episode, and he manages to become embroiled in one “controversy” after another, merely by breathing, it seems. Some debate that it puts too much focus on personality at expense of the music, but all those scandals do keep Adam’s name out there and advertise the brand, so to speak.

  95. saga:
    03/01/2010 at 4:40 pm
    No adds for WWFM from Cumulus on HAC.

    :-( Between this and the cd sales on HDD so far, I’m going back to the Fantasy Springs vids to make me feel better.

  96. I really wanted that ketchup. We’ll see what happens with Cumulus tomorrow! Are there any auto-adds for Top 40 queued up?

  97. I really wanted that ketchup. We’ll see what happens with Cumulus tomorrow! Are there any auto-adds for Top 40 queued up?

    Possibly 2.

  98. What the heck is going on with DC’s album on iTunes? I know all Idol albums saw huge jumps due to the sale but he seems to be going higher and higher. By Friday he was in the 130’s, then by the weekend up and down between around 86-89 now he’s 74. Any idea what’s causiing this? NBC played that commercial with Heroes a bunch all weekend but the song or artist isn’t mentioned..?

    IKR? He gets any promo, any at all, and his sales jump. Every. Single. Time. I think he might be magic.

  99. And there was that Cook-centric ad for AI S8 featuring LO that ran from November to January on Fox, keeping David and his new music in the public consciousness, in a way that didn’t happen for Kris.

    Why didn’t this happen for Kris? We know they shot a solo promo using LLWD, but it has never been used. I wonder if we will ever see it now? He may not even be on Idol again before the finale. Seems like a fail to me.

  100. why are people still comparing David Cook and Kris? I think it’s clear that Kris isn’t going to sell close to the number of albums David did. I think the best we can hope for is that Jive/19 will get off their butts, release a 2nd single that the radio PDs will be interested in adding and put Kris on an actual tour — rather than just sending him out on the random gigs he is doing now. By March of last year, Cook was already on tour — so what is the holdup with Kris — and with Adam, for that matter? Once a 2nd single is released and he’s touring, perhaps Kris’ album sales will pick up. But even if they do, he isn’t gonna get that platinum album — maybe gold — but even that is months and months away at the current rate. Or it may turn out that Kris is going to be an artist who gets radio play and can sell indiidual singles, but isn’t going to be a platinum album seller

  101. Adam tied for 2d most HAC adds today (7: 4 monitored, 3 unmonitored); Kelly Clarkson got 4 for AIEW; kim caldwell got 2; carrie and kris each got 1. I haven’t looked at any other formats.

  102. OK AC….KA got 5 adds; KC 2 adds; AL 2 adds; daughtry lay 1; daughtry ns 1. these are combined, so i don’t know the monitored/unmonitored breakdown

  103. Well, Adam has to promote his album around the world, so he can’t go on tour yet. He will mostly likely tour in summer, but his tour will be probably shorter than Cook’s or even Kris’.

  104. Someone recently had an idea that the winner would be better served by releasing an EP in late fall, then a full album in the spring, giving them more time to work on their music. I think this would be an excellent idea. I would welcome the extra time for them, and use the existing time to work on fewer songs, if the end result is a better product.

    That might be a good idea. At least they wouldn’t have as much to write during the tour and then rush the cd out. I think that David Cook and Kris were more involved in the writing process than some of the past winners, so this might have worked well for them. Though if they did that, the full album release might be too close to the next winners ep release.

  105. Kris can smile when his single goes platinum this week. That and the million he’ll probably make this year should help with any pain about the crappy album sales.

  106. Ahhh Sade. LOVE her. I’m so happy for her comeback sucess! She and Maxwell need to write a book or something :)

    have you seen the fierceness on display in the video tinawina? my bf tells me i’d better get busy, his ”queen” is back on the scene, lol… she is baddddddddd… :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR5_rTCi-Bo

  107. Umm, wasn’t that only for download, not actual physical copies? And let’s be honest, I can only see a very fanatical minor few willing to do that. I know several people who bought the album, and we only got one copy each.

  108. I looked back a couple of pages and didn’t see that anyone had reported Danny’s adds, so here they are. He got 5 today, 4 monitored (Chicago, Tampa, Charleston SC and Wichita) and 1 non-monitored (Grand Rapids).

  109. I don’t think Adam is the huge success he wanted to be or was projected to be yet…time will tell. I don’t think Kris is the failure many think he is yet….time will tell on that also.

    ITA. Both are doing fine and finding success in their own way.

  110. have you seen the fierceness on display in the video tinawina? my bf tells me i’d better get busy, his ”queen” is back on the scene, lol… she is baddddddddd… :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR5_rTCi-Bo

    Fierce is very much the correct term. If I am even half that fly when I’m 51, y’all won’t be able to tell me shizznit!

  111. Could we get back to discussing the numbers?

    eta: I’m closing the thread. Let’s stick to talking numbers. No fanwarring or rehashing the past please.

  112. saga:
    03/01/2010 at 5:05 pm

    I really wanted that ketchup. We’ll see what happens with Cumulus tomorrow! Are there any auto-adds for Top 40 queued up?

    Me too and I really hope we get to gorge a lot! Let us be told we were wrong. PLEASE. Bring extra Ketchup if Cumulus adds him I will be starving to eat my words. :mrgreen:

  113. Looking at HDD prediction. Carrie is a monster. She is doing so well. I love it. Did anyone see HIMYM with her. She was great.

    Weird that HDD says it is at 53.33% They never used that number before as a reporting point. Oh well. Adam is at number 45. He may make the top 50 or just miss it. He does well in the second half but so do a lot of other artist. I think Kris will get a huge boost once the second half is reported

  114. I went to Sam’s and bought the big ketchup just in case for this week.

    Adam got an early unmonitored Top 40 add from Fargo, ND today as well. Keeping them warm up there!

  115. Hoosiermama (I’m in Indiana, too, by the way), I am really puzzled about the idea that Kris’s appearances on Idol are a fail because there will only be two. Two appearances are standard for a winner; I’m not sure anyone has gotten more. I’d also say his weekly Ford ads are equivalent to Cook’s ads. They’ve had an effect, as evidenced by the sales of the song, which nothing but those ads can explain. Non-single album cuts generally don’t sell on iTunes past the first week an album comes out without promo.

  116. Lol so what is with the ketchup? If you don’t mind me asking.

    Last week when we were debating whether or not Cumulus would add WWFM or not because of their conservative leanings, many of us said we’d gladly eat our words if we were wrong and Cumulus added this week. Then someone said, they’d gladly eat their words with ketchup! *forgive me, I don’t remember which poster it was*

    They did not add HAC today, but we’re waiting with our bowls of ketchup ready for the Top 40 adds tomorrow.

  117. Then someone said, they’d gladly eat their words with ketchup! *forgive me, I don’t remember which poster it was*

    It was ME!!!!! :mrgreen: and I am licking my lips in hopes that I will be munching away tomorrow. :lol:

  118. Trina:
    03/01/2010 at 4:04 pm
    There could be several reasons to explain the difference in first week sales for David/Kris and maybe having 2 songs on the radio helped David, but how do you explain the weeks to follow and the huge difference? The same way LLWD caught up to LO Kris could have caught on more with his album. Forget the actual sales numbers but at this point a year ago David was in the 30’s on the BB 200, he wasn’t anywhere near where Kris is now and he held up pretty well for quite a while. Adam’s airplay started even later than Kris’ and his album is holding up much better too.

    You have to remember that (by the middle to end of the show) David Cook was Simon’s favorite. Simon told Larry King Live “his music is what I would listen to on a personal basis.” And everyone definitely remembers that Simon pimped Adam from week 1, and so did all the other judges. Kris, on the other hand, was told by Simon that his performance was “wet,” “like eating ice,” that he “looks like [he is] standing at a bus stop,” “Danny was better,” etc. I do remember one “Brilliant” for Falling Slowly, but that’s about it. Kris was the dark horse who didn’t even get 3 seconds of air time from his initial audition, so I’m kinda thinking no air play (I had never even noticed him until the night he beat Megan–Top 12/Group 2) and lots of negative critiques from Simon didn’t exactly help Kris.

  119. And everyone definitely remembers that Simon pimped Adam from week 1, and so did all the other judges.

    Not as I remember it. Simon did not come on board until Tracks of my Tears prior to that he always had something negative to say about Adam. (But once he came on board he sort of pushed it and I think it hurt Adam more then it helped him.) Paula on the other hand I agree with you. Randy and Kara where even handed until Ring of Fire IMHO.

  120. You have to remember that (by the middle to end of the show) David Cook was Simon’s favorite. Simon told Larry King Live “his music is what I would listen to on a personal basis.”

    Well Simon didn’t like Taylor and sold a b*tt load of albums. I’m sure judge feedback plays into it, but in Taylors case, if the people like you (whether talent or personality), they’ll buy.

  121. Well there is more than just judge pimping if you are a big AI fan, there are the blogs proclaiming love and ridiculing certain AI contestants, you have the fans comments and former Idol comments, the media and your own opinion. I think the judges are far from the only factor.

  122. IndyMuse:
    03/01/2010 at 10:19 pm

    Hoosiermama (I’m in Indiana, too, by the way), I am really puzzled about the idea that Kris’s appearances on Idol are a fail because there will only be two. Two appearances are standard for a winner; I’m not sure anyone has gotten more. I’d also say his weekly Ford ads are equivalent to Cook’s ads. They’ve had an effect, as evidenced by the sales of the song, which nothing but those ads can explain. Non-single album cuts generally don’t sell on iTunes past the first week an album comes out without promo.

    I wasn’t saying that Kris’ appearances on Idol were a fail. I was saying (I guess poorly) that the filming of a solo promo and then not using it was a fail. Had they used it, it would have helped keep Kris in the public consciousness during the Nov-Jan timeframe (which is what the original poster said). But you are right about how the Ford commercials are keeping Kris’ face out there and are selling AWM, but from a singles standpoint only. They don’t seem to be helping the album sales much (altho, maybe without them his sales would be worse?). Whatever, as mj said, let’s not rehash the past!

  123. Sorry dhunken, I couldn’t remember! Hopefully it’s Ketchup Tuesday today!

    Today’s numbers

    Published Reports

    POP:
    19 18 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 4224 3925 299 28.883
    +48 Spins
    +61 Bullet
    +0.134 AI

    HAC:
    20 19 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1363 1152 211 7.101
    +40 Spins
    +17 Bullet
    +0.187 AI

  124. Yea! Yea! Yea! Fianlly Cumulus added. Should be 14 stations. It’s about time. Onward and upward, Adam!!!

  125. YankeeFan08:
    03/02/2010 at 11:38 am
    Break out the ketchup! Cumulus added WWFM!!! Happy, happy day!!!

    No way!!!!! I am so happy!!! :-) I’m dancing around my office!

  126. hmmmm, adding doesn’t equate to spinning, that remains to be seen. We’ll see if the DJ’s have the same reservations as the whoever made the decision to withhold the adds until now.

    I assume the HAC adds will be next week?

  127. hmmmm, adding doesn’t equate to spinning, that remains to be seen.

    Sorry, nothing’s going to rain on our parade today! This is a happy day for Adam’s fans! We have been waiting a long time for this day!

  128. YankeeFan08:
    03/02/2010 at 12:10 pm
    hmmmm, adding doesn’t equate to spinning, that remains to be seen.
    Sorry, nothing’s going to rain on our parade today! This is a happy day for Adam’s fans! We have been waiting a long time for this day!

    Exactly. We’ll complain next week if they don’t spin him :-)

  129. Now that the Cumulus hump is over, what is San Francisco’s hold out?

  130. Anyone know where you can find a list of which stations are Cumulus? Cuz I have only ever heard Adam on the radio like 3 times. I wonder if I might get to hear him more if cumuluc stations start to spin him. I mean ther is 4 top 40 stations in my area, and at any given time GaGa and Ke$ha are playing on 2 of them…
    I got a Fever and the only solution is more ADAM!

  131. Oh its alittle off topic but RCA just twittered. Adam is playing Sleepwalker on Leno tonight.

  132. (Chew chew chew)….(cough) (wipe mouth) mmm mmmm mmm..Damn those words taste good. A little dry though please pass the Ketchup. Its over in that box I brought (10 bottles) :-) Happy day!!!! I WAS WRONG I WAS WRONG…. Never thought saying that would make me feel so good! Big Step 1 out of the way now come on Cumulus Spin em! Fellow Word Eaters I am happy to be in your company. :mrgreen:

  133. It doesn’t look like Cumulus has a station in Seattle, at least not one listed on their website. According to Adds, KBKS-FM added the song a few weeks ago, you could try requesting there!

  134. Hmm KBKS must be the station that I have heard it on lol the call letters arnt familiar
    Thank sr4mjc :)

  135. I’m so excited for Adam!!!

    ADDS
    21 Monitored
    10 Unmonitored

    SO FAR!!!

  136. HDD final:

    50 48 ADAM LAMBERT 19/RCA/RMG 11,490 -2%

    Another good week for Adam!

  137. So excited about Adam’s numbers!!!! Another good stable week without any appearances. Go ADAM!!! Sad that neither Kris or Alli was on the list. I am sure they are not far behind.

  138. Yay! For Adam’s HDD numbers being stable. So happy to see that. I’m really surprised that neither Kris nor Allison made the HDD top 50 list after their idol performances. Have we been getting numbers from their album sales at all lately? Do they have to make the top 50 before we can know their sales?

  139. WOW 50 spots up in AC for Adam! fantasic – I am so glad he is charting in at least three media base formats. I love to see the little bullets (^). They make for a happy day.

    Mateja:
    03/01/2010 at 6:27 pm
    Well, Adam has to promote his album around the world, so he can’t go on tour yet. He will mostly likely tour in summer, but his tour will be probably shorter than Cook’s or even Kris’.

    I think most everyone will tour less than Cook – has he even stopped? His tour just kept getting extended and extended.
    And I agree less than Kris’s also – becasue I think kris will follow the same format as David C.

    I think Adam will have a unique tour by AI standards – I think it will be a mix of regular tour hits and special events/gigs.
    Also Adam’s tour will likely go into other countries even if for ‘one offs’ in Canada, etc. And be interupted alot more for TV gigs.

    I also think they both maybe waiting until they earn enough to pay for a tour/band/etc.

    As far as WWFM or LLWD on the radio – I actually hear WWFM more on the cable POP HITS tv channel and LLWD on the radio – weird…

  140. I’m really surprised that neither Kris nor Allison made the HDD top 50 list after their idol performances

    .

    don’t forget that 1) the performances were on a Thursday — so there was really only less than a half week of increased sales, and 2) it just goes to show you that you can’t tell much from itunes cd sales, other than whether or not there is an increase or decrease in itunes sales. Itunes cd sales are really small. And a lot of cds that rank in the top 50 on itunes are nowhere near the top 50 of the Billboard 200. So while I am sure that both Kris and Alli will have substantially increased sales this week, in view of the above and in view of the level of their prior sales, it it unsurprising neither are on the HDD list.

  141. For all us Adam fans who are rejoicing for the Cumulus adds, there are no excuses now if the song tanks.

    Adam now has more top 40 radio adds than Kris, who is just outside top 10. Adam has 15 top 40 stations that haven’t added it yet and Kris has 16.

    Regarding the touring…Adam said in an interview they needed to wait and see how the CD was doing (this was somewhat recently too, not before the CD came out). I think they are waiting to see if CD sales pick up before they decide on what scale (dancers, etc..) or if he will open for someone. Based on the interview, I think their hope is the CD does well enough he can tour on his own.

  142. For all us Adam fans who are rejoicing for the Cumulus adds, there are no excuses now if the song tanks.

    LOL Even without Cumulus the song has gotten to the “not tanking” stage. I think top 20 qualifies.

    Although, top 10 and top 5 may still be a challenge. I’m waiting to see if Cumulus actually starts spinning it. The adds definitely have my hopes up. But only time will tell.

    However, even without Cumulus I think WWFM would be able to make the top 10. It would just take it a little longer.

    don’t forget that 1) the performances were on a Thursday — so there was really only less than a half week of increased sales[snipped stuff out]. So while I am sure that both Kris and Alli will have substantially increased sales this week, in view of the above and in view of the level of their prior sales, it it unsurprising neither are on the HDD list.

    It is surprising to me. At least for Kris. I had assumed over the last few weeks that he was sitting just outside that top50. With his single charting like it is, I figured Album sales would be picking up. Add in his AI performance, which sold really well, and I would have expected some AI fans that hadn’t bought yet to have purchased the album, possibly pushing his sales higher than Adam’s this past week. Since that didn’t happen, I have to wonder how low the sales actually are for the album if even a partial week AI boost didn’t push him over 10,000.

  143. JMS. Kris weekly sales have been in the 4-6K area (4k last week). Alli in the 1-2K. Alli fell out of the BB200 a long time ago while kris has been in the 150s. They both greatly increased their sales this week for sure, but had a ways to go to reach the 10K level. But they will likely have big percentage increases (most cds in top 50 had decreases)

  144. From Kworb at Pulse:

    Published Reports

    POP:
    13 11 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 5389 5047 342 31.479
    +59 Spins
    +2 Bullet
    +0.254 AI

    HAC:
    6 7 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 3164 3184 -20 16.926
    +2 Spins
    +11 Bullet
    -0.006 AI

    POP:
    19 18 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 4259 3962 297 29.160
    +35 Spins
    -2 Bullet
    +0.277 AI

    HAC:
    20 19 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1382 1192 190 7.208
    +19 Spins
    -21 Bullet
    +0.107 AI

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