Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Oct 18 – 24

This week, we have two songs breaking into the top 15 as both make it to lucky number 13 on their respective charts. First up is Fantasia’s second single, “I’m Doin’ Me” which is now in the top 15 in the Urban AC chart. Currently, she has two songs in the top 15 of the that chart.

Next up is Chris Sligh whose first single from his second album reached top 15 on CAC. Also making an appearance on the CAC chart is Jason Castro’s first track from his latest album which is now in the top 40 in that format.

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This week we also have two Idol songs going for adds on radio. Lee Dewyze will kick of the S9 post season with his debut single on his debut album for a major label. The song is called “Sweet Serendipity” and it’s going for adds on Monday on HAC. The next day, over on Rock, We are Fallen (Carly’s band) will be encouraging stations to play “Tear the World Down”.

Details after the jump! (as of 7:14 pm on 10/24/10)

Adam Lambert:
“If I Had You”: 17 HAC (15), 34 Pop (24), ^37 AC (39)

Carrie Underwood:
“Mama’s Song”: ^14 Country (15)
“Temporary Home: 46 CAC (41)
“Undo It”: ^28 HAC (27)

Chris Sligh:
“Only You Can Save”: ^13 CAC (17)

Daughtry:
“Life After You”: ^5 AC (5)
“September”: 2 HAC (3), ^9 AC (10), ^23 Pop (26)

Fantasia:
“Bittersweet”: 4 UAC (3)
“I’m Doin’ Me”: ^13 UAC (19), ^26 Urban (30)

Hedley (Jacob from CI2):
“Perfect”: ^36 HAC (39)

Jason Castro:
“You Are”: ^39 CAC (40)

Matt Giruad:
“Thank You” (Jim Brickman): 23 AC (21)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous week. The “^” (aka “a bullet”) indicates that a song gained spins since last week

Upcoming Add Dates (from AllAccess):
Oct 25: HAC: Lee DeWyze: “Sweet Serendipity”
Oct 26: Rock: We Are Fallen: “Tear the World Down”

This is the daily numbers thread for Monday.

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  1. Adam’s Australian tour has had paid big dividends. His album moves from no. 14 to no. 6 this week (in the middle of a couple of big new releases as well), “If I Had You” surges back up the charts and “For Your Entertainment” notches up his 3rd straight top 40 hit in a row. Bear in mind that these figures would be based upon his X-Factor appearance and next week he might see further increases based on actual live gigs:

    http://www.ariacharts.com.au

  2. fingers crossed for some good adds for Kris & Lee on Monday. Based on the spins it’s gotten. I’m expecting (at least) 3 Hot AC & 1 Pop add for AWM. I don’t have the spin #s for SS, so I don’t know what to expect in terms of adds for that song. Hopefully since the Santa Rosa station already added it the other day, they will play it more often

  3. girlygirl- any add that Lee would get will be manual.
    I’m curious to see how many adds Lee will get. I wish him luck.

    Good luck with the adds to all the idols that have songs climbing!

    I hope that AWM will get some manual adds in addition to the auto ones.

  4. Good luck on adds to Kris and Lee… and all the supporting fans. :)

  5. X-Factor winner Joe McElderry’s debut album, Wide Awake, drops today in the UK as a physical CD and on iTunes UK. It can also be purchased as an import.

  6. Not too worried about Lee’s adds, I’m sure RCA has secured some decent ones for him this week. Good luck Carly! Now Jive, I’m not too sure about.

  7. Lee already has 1 add this week (KMHX in Santa Rosa who has spun the song once) and the one he had last week.

    The following stations have spun the song at least once:
    KSCF-FM San Diego 4
    KALC-FM Denver 1
    KZZU-FM Spokane 1
    WHTS-FM Grand Rapids 1
    WKRQ-FM Cincinnati 1
    WQAL-FM Cleveland 1
    WTMX-FM Chicago 1
    WXLO-FM Worcester, MA 1

    That might be an indication that they might add. The WTMX would be a good one because it is in a major market and may influence other stations to add. Plus, it looks kind of crummy if you don’t even have home town support (for an Idol).

    AWM has the following spins:
    WOMX-FM Orlando 12
    KLAL-FM Little Rock 10 (Top 40)
    KURB-FM Little Rock 10
    WTIC-FM Hartford 10
    KKPL-FM Ft. Collins, CO 2
    KSCF-FM San Diego 2
    KALC-FM Denver 1
    KMHX-FM Santa Rosa, CA 1

    If a station is an auto-adding station, it will add once it has spun a song 7 times in week. There has been no add date set for AWM, yet.

  8. Boy, I still remember adds day for Danny’s last single and the thrill that was envoked when (in two weeks time) most of country radio added his song. Funny thing, though, those tons of adds never turned into much radio play. So I guess getting adds is nice but I still don’t see the correlation between speed of adds and spins.

    Just because a song is listed as a possible spin on a radio station doesn’t seem to amount for a hill of beans when it comes to what is actually spun and auto adds seem to just mean a station gave the song a try (aren’t a half dozen spins enough for an auto-add) and often doesn’t turn into any more future spins…or am I missing something?

  9. Well, at the very least, RCA should have made sure to lock on WTMX. I am kind of surprised they have only given Lee’s song one spin. (But only kind of surprised; he has absolutely no buzz, even here)

  10. There has been no add date set for AWM, yet.

    Do “we” know this for certain? Or are we just guessing since it hasn’t been posted on sites like FMQB? Couldn’t they just distribute the song (like they have) without an add date?

  11. The more adds at the beginning the better. It shows the stations are interested in the artist and/or the label is promoting the song heavily. Both Lee and Kris need as many stations playing their song as possible from day one. Otherwise they’ll be lost among all the other songs competing for adds.

  12. So I guess getting adds is nice but I still don’t see the correlation between speed of adds and spins.

    If everybody adds at once, then they will generally spin at the same time which generally propels one up the charts higher. If the adds are spread out for months, the early adapters stop spinning before the late adapters add. You may end up on the radio longer, but you will likely not get as high as you could have.

    There is some thought that if a song goes higher up the charts, it encourages other stations to spin it more (and you end up on the countdown shows which at least guarantees you some extra spins and exposure to a wider audience). Radio stations can be lemmings.

    auto adds seem to just mean a station gave the song a try (aren’t a half dozen spins enough for an auto-add) and often doesn’t turn into any more future spins…or am I missing something?

    Yes. Some stations only do auto-adds. So, if they spin it at least 7 times, that means that they mean to add it. Of course, a station can spin a song 100 times a week (in the case of some pop songs) and still not intend on playing the song at that rotation for the rest of eternity, so no number of spins guarantees spins forever. But, it certainly is a step in the right direction. An add is a sign of interest (though some stations add almost everything). If a station never adds a song, that will pretty much guarantee very few to no spins.

    Do “we” know this for certain? Or are we just guessing since it hasn’t been posted on sites like FMQB? Couldn’t they just distribute the song (like they have) without an add date?

    FMBQ and AllAccess are targeted towards the industry. If nobody knows that an add date is an add date, is it really an add date?

    They can certainly release a song, but an add date is one of the first indications that a song is an actual single. Of course, we have had frequent debates as to what is actually a single. I generally consider a song with an add date to be a single, but there are certainly many on this site for which the threshold is much, much higher.

  13. Tess: Boy, I still remember adds day for Danny’s last single and the thrill that was envoked when (in two weeks time) most of country radio added his song. Funny thing, though, those tons of adds never turned into much radio play. So I guess getting adds is nice but I still don’t see the correlation between speed of adds and spins.

    You’re wrong that most of country radio added Danny’s last single in 2 weeks. The Mediabase country panel was made up of 127 stations at the time. Danny got 33 adds in the 1st week and then 9 adds the 2nd week. That’s 42 stations or about 1/3 of the country radio panel. Even if you add in the 3rd week there were 8 additional adds for a total of 50 stations out of 127 which still isn’t most of country radio. Mediabase actually says the total historic adds through 3 weeks were 48 stations.

    About 40% of country radio never added IWNSG. But it’s also true that adds don’t tell the whole story if the stations don’t give the song more than some overnight spins. It’s a situation where adds aren’t a guarantee but if you’re a new act and you see the adds holding up well week to week or you suddenly see a burst of adds before you hit milestones like the top 30 or top 20 then it’s usually a good sign that your record’s going to penetrate your format. That’s what happened for Eric Church and Sunny Sweeney. They both had songs come out around the same time as Danny’s last single and their adds held steadier from week to week even though they never had a single week of adds that was huge. They both ended up making the top 30 and Eric’s on course to make the top 20. Sunny’s a question mark for the top 20 but it would be amazing if she did considering how much harder it is for women on country radio.

    Kirsten: FMBQ and AllAccess are targeted towards the industry. If nobody knows that an add date is an add date, is it really an add date?

    IA with this. An adds date isn’t a guarantee of label promotion but the lack of an adds date usually says to me that the label isn’t making promotion of a song released to radio a big priority. That doesn’t mean promotion can’t kick in at a later date if the label suddenly think it has a smash on its hands. AWM is still in that nervous area as long as it doesn’t have an adds date.

  14. If Lee doesn’t get a bunch of adds today that’ll be a terrible sign that either the label or radio isn’t much interested in him. There are certain stations that always add Idol songs though. He needs to at least get those plus a few more.

  15. Do we have any word yet on when ‘Alright WIth Me’ will go for adds? In an interview last week (OK Magazine?) he said it hadn’t been sent to the stations yet. Stations are getting request, but don’t have the physical product to play. At least that was my understanding of it.

  16. Adams sleepwalker is being released in Canada today. But I doubt we will see any adds this week since most of the major Canadian stations reported this weeks adds last Wednesday or Thursday. Maybe next week we will start seeing some adds in the Great White North

  17. Stations are getting request, but don’t have the physical product to play. At least that was my understanding of it.

    Stations do have AWM. Some have already played it.

  18. TwigLA: Do we have any word yet on when ‘Alright WIth Me’ will go for adds? In an interview last week (OK Magazine?) he said it hadn’t been sent to the stations yet. Stations are getting request, but don’t have the physical product to play. At least that was my understanding of it.

    AWM is available under Cool New Music at All Access under Hot AC. That means it’s available for radio stations to download for free and play if they want.

  19. Stations don’t get a physical product anyway, right? Isn’t it all an electronic copy that they download?

  20. If Lee doesn’t get a bunch of adds today that’ll be a terrible sign that either the label or radio isn’t much interested in him.

    I agree that he needs to get some adds to show support. Especially from Idol friendly stations and I think Chicago better be a given!

    Lots of adds up front do show interest and that quite a few stations are on board and can propel you up quicker. Whether it will keep propelling you up or stall in top 40 like IWNSGB did depends on a lot of factors; primarily the PDs decision IMO

    Radio stations can be lemmings

    I couldn’t agree more Kirsten! It’s why we get the same old (often regardless of quality or audience likability; at least initially). Audiences need to HEAR a song to start getting it stuck in their head and purchase, request) over and over with only an occasional gem thrown in there.

    Glad to see AWM getting auto adds.

  21. If Lee doesn’t get a bunch of adds today that’ll be a terrible sign that either the label or radio isn’t much interested in him. There are certain stations that always add Idol songs though. He needs to at least get those plus a few more.

    Yes, I agree, and what’s happening is quite obvious for me, unfortunately.

  22. I don’t think a song needs an add date posted in those sites to be considered a single. Add date seems to be more of a formality, but songs are sent to radio to be played and we may not see their adds date.
    In case of AWM we may never see the add date in those sites (like it happened with Elevator) which, to me, shows the label isn’t pushing it really, but they’ve called it a single and they have sent it to radio, so, it’s a single.

  23. springboard:
    10/25/2010 at 10:29 am
    If Lee doesn’t get a bunch of adds today that’ll be a terrible sign that either the label or radio isn’t much interested in him. There are certain stations that always add Idol songs though. He needs to at least get those plus a few more.

    Yes, I agree, and what’s happening is quite obvious for me, unfortunately.

    IDk… the previous crop of singles from S8 (kris & adam) didn’t get a whole bunch of adds during the first few weeks that I recall. Maybe I’m remembering this incorrect, but it seemed they were a slow burn.

  24. IDk… the previous crop of singles from S8 (kris & adam) didn’t get a whole bunch of adds during the first few weeks that I recall. Maybe I’m remembering this incorrect, but it seemed they were a slow burn.

    I agree, I don’t think he needs a ton of adds; but he does need some, especially from the stations that always play Idol music, and from his hometown.

    I think he will get them, RCA has invested $$ in him; why wouldn’t they get some stations on board early; esp. since there is little time before the album comes out- he needs early airplay more than Kris or Adam did- LLWD had more time, and Adam had the huge AMA appearance to sell their albums.

  25. IDk… the previous crop of singles from S8 (kris & adam) didn’t get a whole bunch of adds during the first few weeks that I recall. Maybe I’m remembering this incorrect, but it seemed they were a slow burn.

    They got a big bunch on their adds date, about 30 or more, and they had already quite a few that they got as soon as they were released to radio.

  26. I agree, I don’t think he needs a ton of adds; but he does need some, especially from the stations that always play Idol music, and from his hometown.

    Yeah, IA – if last year taught us anything, it’s that having interest right away doesn’t necessarily mean much of anything. I don’t have LLWD’s add history on hand right now, but IIRC, it was called DOA after the first week (which I thought was preposterous), and it did very very well.

    And of course Adam was an interesting case, because we had the switcheroo (and mysterious history) of FYE and WWFM, and of course that turned out really well too. So yeah, IA that being patient can be the most important thing – not to think that the first week is the end all, be all

  27. Ok, just looked up the history – LLWD got 10 total monitored ADDs its first week, 6 the next week, and really took off with a ton after that.

  28. Since Lee is going only for HAC, he probably won’t get ton of adds today, but I think that a good adds week will be if there will be at least 1 major market and if he will end up being at least close to the most added song on HAC for the week.

  29. CindyM:
    10/25/2010 at 10:21 am

    Stations don’t get a physical product anyway, right? Isn’t it all an electronic copy that they download?

    In the US and Canada almost always digital files now. Some other markets still use a promo CD.

    IDk… the previous crop of singles from S8 (kris & adam) didn’t get a whole bunch of adds during the first few weeks that I recall. Maybe I’m remembering this incorrect, but it seemed they were a slow burn.

    LLWD had a very strong start when it comes to adds.
    LLWD before impact date 17 adds, including Z100. Went for adds 10/12 — Week #1 36 adds.
    So a total of 53 adds by 10/13/09.

    Danny also got adds pretty quickly — but different genre.

    Adam’s singles were a bit odd because of the switch from FYE to WWFM. Think that is pretty non-comparable to Lee’s situation. RCA is promoting SS and it is on radio station websites, so there are clearly promoting it.

  30. but IIRC, it was called DOA after the first week (which I thought was preposterous), and it did very very well.

    It was called DOA compared to other singles like Crush, however, LLWD got a very significant number of adds and spins straight away, and so did WWFM, and FYE (even if it was replaced after two weeks)

  31. What SS needs is a hell of a push by RCA. I mean, all songs kinda need label push to go far, but this one has been out for 2 weeks and like they would say on ONTD, no1curr.
    I think RCA has been around for a long time to realize they’ll have to put a lot of money behind this one. And do they believe in Lee enough to spend that money? I think that’s what the next few weeks we’ll tell us.

  32. LLWD (by the first official adds week) had over 50 stations playing it. Since Lee’s album is dropping in a month, the label should be pressing hard from the first day. Lee doesn’t have alot of time to build momentum.

  33. For WWFM – Adam got the big Z100 add Nov 18 (before the AMAs, lol). Then followed up that next Monday (day after AMAs, lol) with 7 adds (including another NYC one and LA), and then got a ton the next week.

  34. Since Lee’s album is released very soon and HAC tend to be a slow moving chart’ he needs to have a strong adds week. It is still possible that the single and album will end up doing well even if the start will be weak’ but a strong start is definitely an advantage imo.

  35. What would be considered an average add number in the 1st week? Realistically speaking what would you expect from an Idol and other newer artists? I’m just brand new (I still have my shiny Idol sheen on, I’m so optimistic! lol) at this and I’m trying to base my expectations on a grounded level. :)

  36. Adam’s singles were a bit odd because of the switch from FYE to WWFM. Think that is pretty non-comparable to Lee’s situation.

    Well, unless they switch SS out for something else in two or three week’s time. Remember, they didn’t switch singles to WWFM until after the album was released Thanksgiving week. If SS has a track record like FYE, I suspect RCA may find another single for him too.

  37. LLWD didn’t went for adds right away, so I am not sure if it will be the most accurate comparison.

    And neither is SS going. It was released two weeks ago. Just cause radio isn’t playing it, it doesn’t mean it’s going for adds right away.
    SS was released on KIIS. What more could one want?

  38. SS wasn’t released on KIIS. Ryan played it once on his show. I’m almost 99% sure that KIIS will never play SS again. It’s nothing like the other music they play on the station. The point of the single is to get radio playing the song which will help the album sales. I don’t see any advantage to not going at full speed for adds from day one (or before).

    Every Idol is different and no way is Lee getting Adam level promo. However, it looks like he may not get Kris level promo. I think 10 HAC adds would be a decent start for SS.

  39. They can certainly release a song, but an add date is one of the first indications that a song is an actual single. Of course, we have had frequent debates as to what is actually a single. I generally consider a song with an add date to be a single, but there are certainly many on this site for which the threshold is much, much higher.

    Or lower!

    Even in the pre-digital era there were singles that were never released to radio. And some became hits.

    if the label announces an add date and services the song to radio, the single is released to radio. But IMO there needs to be a broader definition of a single. A few examples:

    – Lead album single — released for sale prior to album release but never sent to radio. IMO it is a single.

    – Non-album single — for example, Cook released “Jumpin’ Jack Flash” for example. IMO it is a single.

    – Digital album track that sells as a single and becomes a hit. There are Billboard Hot 100 songs that chart solely on sales and never were released to radio. If a song charts on the singles chart, and sells as a single track, even if it is not formally released as a single, what is it? IMO it is a single.

    I do not believe that a release to radio or radio airplay is a requirement for something to be a single. JMHO.

  40. SS wasn’t released on KIIS. Ryan played it once on his show. It’s almost 99% sure that KIIS will never play SS again. It’s nothing like the other music they play on the station.

    It’s still a release. Or should I use the word premiere?
    Adam also premiered his song on KIIS and they never added it, did they? but it’s a release, premiere. Or what do you call it?
    SS has been released. It’s out there to be played for 2 weeks.

  41. leome- I deleted my comment because it wasn’t completely accurate. However, I think that if you want to compare number of adds, you should compare the numbers of adds on the adds date and in the same time also remember previous adds.

    And since lee’s single is not released to pop right now, I don’t see how the KIIS debut will help a song on HAC.

  42. Ryan premieres all the Idol songs. It’s a nice gesture but unless other stations follow up, it’s meaningless. Especially because KIIS almost never plays any Idol’s music. Double for Lee because the song hasn’t even been released to Pop radio yet.

    Today is the official adds date for HAC and SS needs a good start.

  43. Remember, they didn’t switch singles to WWFM until after the album was released Thanksgiving week.

    They switched before that in terms of radio push, as WWFM started to get substantial spins, as much as LLWD and FYE at the same period, two weeks after FYE was released, and it also got it’s first add.

  44. Ryan premieres all the Idol songs

    I don’t remember him premiering Crush or Light On. Crush premiered on Z100 and Light On on AOL. And after that neither was played on KIIS (other than countdown shows that is) as far as I rememeber, or neither boy was interviewed by Ryan.

  45. Okay, Ryan premieres many of the Idol songs. ;)
    I’m surprised about LO though. I thought Ryan did play it.

  46. jpfan:
    10/25/2010 at 11:21 am

    SS wasn’t released on KIIS. Ryan played it once on his show. I’m almost 99% sure that KIIS will never play SS again. It’s nothing like the other music they play on the station.

    Every Idol is different and no way is Lee getting Adam level promo. However, it looks like he may not get Kris level promo. I think 10 HAC adds would be a decent start for SS.

    Each artist is different but Adam had FYE debuted on Ryan’s Show and that was the end of promo for that song. Then RCA released WWFM quietly to radio on 11/18/10 — no promotion at all. The focus was still on FYE.

    Adam was on the AMA’s on 11/22/09 and had some TV appearances scheduled after that — all on ABC — GMA, Barbara Walters, Kimmel and DC NYE. All but Barbara Walters were canceled and RCA/19M had to scramble to rebook other networks. There was no extensive promotion of WWFM to radio. No ads on radio station websites. And most of the appearances and press Adam got he created with the AMA performance.

    I think that RCA did a great job with the Adam launch. But there was not a huge promotion push for him on radio. RCA defended it to panicking Adam fans that Adam was a visual artist and they were taking a different route. Go back and look at the posts on this website from a year ago about how Jive was working WWFM beautifully for Kris and RCA was blowing it. Or how Kris had a hit single and Adam was more of an album artist. In the month of December 2009, most non-fans had written WWFM completely off and wrote that Adam had 3 flop singles, that his 15 minutes of fame were over, etc.

    Even some of the most committed Adam fans really had doubts a year ago.

    RCA is very methodical about radio — but they know how to get airplay — and usually do it strategically. Fast burn song like Ke$ha — hard push. Other songs, more measured, paced investment. Lee will get radio even if it takes a while. Took WWFM until January 2010 to get any real traction on radio.

  47. And neither is SS going. It was released two weeks ago. Just cause radio isn’t playing it, it doesn’t mean it’s going for adds right away.
    SS was released on KIIS. What more could one want?

    I find it a little bit odd that they didn’t arrange for the song to debut on a big HAC station when they were going to send it for adds on HAC first.It would have made a lot of HAC stations interested.

    WTMX (Chicago) would have been good for the debut since it’s a big market and Lee’s hometown. And they spun it only once? Ugghh! Show some support for the hometown boy please!

  48. Ryan premieres all the Idol songs. It’s a nice gesture but unless other stations follow up, it’s meaningless. Especially because KIIS almost never plays any Idol’s music. Double for Lee because the song hasn’t even been released to Pop radio yet.

    Today is the official adds date for HAC and SS needs a good start.

    Actually not every Idol song is premiered by Ryan. LLWD was premiered on ELvis Duran’s show on Z100. I believe the same was true with Crush. FIBOU by Allison and LO by Cook were premiered on Popeater.

  49. It doesn’t really matter because KISS plays urban music. SS doesn’t fit the format.

    I don’t think that’s relevant. What I’m saying is that the song has been released and has had a radio debut(even if it’s by a station that won’t play it anymore, it doesn’t make it less of a radio premiere). It’s out, it’s been sent to radio and other stations that play that kind of music could have picked it during these two weeks and the song has barely had any spins. I think it speaks for the lack of interest in Lee, and that RCA will have to do a huge job pushing it if they want it to get good airplay. But will RCA do it?

  50. I saw this on twitter this morning. I’m hoping this is a sign that Jive will push AWM to Pop stations as well as Hot AC

    krinja_signal

    #RT @h2oconvo: Kris Allen performing at the KIIS-FM Pick-A-Purse party on Nov. 17 in Beverly Hills. You have to win tickets.

  51. leome- I deleted my comment because it wasn’t completely accurate. However, I think that if you want to compare number of adds, you should compare the numbers of adds on the adds date and in the same time also remember previous adds.

    LLWD and FYE were getting just under 400 weekly spins after two weeks of air play, before their adds date, on all formats, so at least over 100 on HAC, compared to 12 for SS last week.
    If SS doesn’t get a bare minimum of 10+ HAC adds today, I’ll have no doubt that RCA isn’t supporting the single.

  52. I saw this on twitter this morning. I’m hoping this is a sign that Jive will push AWM to Pop stations as well as Hot AC

    krinja_signal

    #RT @h2oconvo: Kris Allen performing at the KIIS-FM Pick-A-Purse party on Nov. 17 in Beverly Hills. You have to win tickets.

    Yaay for another radio gig!
    I never thought they wouldn’t push/release AWM to pop radio. Even TT was released to pop radio and AWM is more popier!

  53. SS doesn’t necessarily have to get a ton of adds today, but if it doesn’t get, say 5 or so, I would take that as a bad sign that RCA might not be interested in pushing it very hard. I’m still waiting for Lee to do some actual promotion for the single — I think by the time LLWD had been out a couple of weeks Kris had already done a lot of radio promo for it. Adam, of course, didn’t do too much of that type of promo until later on, but he was getting all the national promo what with the magazine interviews, etc. Lee has done a couple of charity benefits/private gigs, but that seems to be it so far. When is the promo going to start kicking in?

  54. Okay, Ryan premieres many of the Idol songs.

    I figured you meant pop/AC/urban ;) I don’t think he premiered Danny’s song -does he premiere any country?- maybe Carrie?. I do remember him interviewing him and playing it the day before or after the S9 appearance.

  55. If SS doesn’t get a bare minimum of 10+ HAC adds today, I’ll have no doubt that RCA isn’t supporting the single.

    How many adds did TT get it’s first week sent to HAC? That was a supported song from Jive, so I would be worried about Lee’s support for SS by RCA if he doesn’t get something similar.

  56. I’m not going to argue that Lee has very little buzz and will need lots of promo. And it’s up in the air if he gets it.

    I’m pretty sure Ryan does get around to interviewing many Idols and playing their first single. Whether he officially “premieres” them, I really don’t know. My point is that getting played once on a station that will never add your song is not a great way to debut a song.

    Lee’s song is for the HAC market. That’s where it needs to get added. That’s where the label will need to promote it.

  57. I’m still waiting for Lee to do some actual promotion for the single — I think by the time LLWD had been out a couple of weeks Kris had already done a lot of radio promo for it.

    Neither Cook or Adam did a lot of radio promo in the beginning. I think it’s just RCA way of doing things. Jive is different.

  58. POP chart

    174 KRIS ALLEN Alright With Me 11 0 11 0.03

    +10 in chart rank from yesterday (184)
    +1 spin
    +1 bullet
    +0.001 AI

    now that the LR CHR station has officially added it, it should get a few more spins, anyway

  59. RCA gave Cook and Adam fantastic promotion. Cook got an SNL gig and Adam got that big AMA performance. I just don’t think they have anything smiliar lined up for Lee. I’m expecting the usual Regis, Ellen, Leno, Kimmel performances. Maybe they’ll surprise me with something extra.

  60. RCA gave Cook and Adam fantastic promotion. Cook got an SNL gig and Adam got that big AMA performance. I just don’t think they have anything smiliar lined up for Lee. I’m expecting the usual Regis, Ellen, Leno, Kimmel performances. Maybe they’ll surprise me with something extra.

    I wonder about Ellen? Do u think she will have as many Idols on as previous?

    I would be really surprised if RCA gave Lee those invaluable spots they got for Cook and Adam.

  61. RCA gave Cook and Adam fantastic promotion. Cook got an SNL gig and Adam got that big AMA performance.

    Yeah, but that was weeks after the singles were released. In Cook’s case it was a month after the single release. We’ll have to see what comes for Lee.
    RCA doesn’t seem to do much radio promo out of the gate. Regardless, both Light On and FYE were getting way more spins than SS at this point.
    Jive seems to send their artists to do radio promo a lot more. Look at all the radio stations Archuleta visist even though his music isn’t played.
    Just different labels, different ways to handling things. I’m not surprised with the way RCA is handling it with Lee.

  62. Cook had the benefit of TOML being a big radio hit all summer. The SNL appearance was timed for the benefit of the album release. Lee has been forgotten by 90% of the folks that watched Idol. He needs something on the radio like yesterday. RCA and Jive do handle singles differently though so maybe there’s a wave of Lee promo to come. ;)

  63. In reply to the poster who wondered about this:

    The Truth got 9 Hot AC adds in its 1st week and 7 in its 2nd week

  64. How many adds did TT get it’s first week sent to HAC? That was a supported song from Jive, so I would be worried about Lee’s support for SS by RCA if he doesn’t get something similar.

    There is no comparison between the push for the first and the second single, and we need to compare SS to LLWD, or Light On, or Crush, or FYE/WWFM.

    Here’s some numbers (all formats combined, this was from the old Mediabase quick-cuts) from the first radio play:
    LLWD

    9/24/09 46
    9/25/09 90
    9/26/09 114
    9/27/09 172
    9/28/09 211
    9/29/09 229
    9/30/09 231
    10/1/09 260
    10/2/09 275
    10/3/09 291
    10/4/09 281
    10/5/09 330
    10/6/09 347
    10/7/09 373
    10/8/09 390
    10/9/09 407
    10/10/09 432
    10/11/09 447
    10/12/09 419
    10/13/09 441
    10/14/09 458
    10/15/09 498

    Light On

    9/23/08
    9/24/08
    9/25/08 264
    9/26/08
    9/27/08
    9/28/08 342
    9/29/08 387
    9/30/08 427
    10/1/08 473
    10/2/08 519
    10/3/08 546
    10/4/08 566
    10/5/08 576
    10/6/08 604
    10/7/08 628
    10/8/08 650
    10/9/08 672
    10/10/08 735
    10/11/08 859
    10/12/08 922
    10/13/08 996
    10/14/08 1053
    10/15/08 1123

    FYE

    10/31/09 37
    11/1/09
    11/2/09 101
    11/3/09 129
    11/4/09 161
    11/5/09 206
    11/6/09 216
    11/7/09 248
    11/8/09 273
    11/9/09 286
    11/10/09 325
    11/11/09 370
    11/12/09 408
    11/13/09 442
    11/14/09 464
    11/15/09 507
    11/16/09 520
    11/17/09 520
    11/18/09 514

    WWFM
    11/14/09 20
    11/15/09 75
    11/16/09
    11/17/09 103
    11/18/09
    11/19/09
    11/20/09
    11/21/09
    11/22/09
    11/23/09
    11/24/09
    11/25/09
    11/26/09 226
    11/27/09
    11/28/09 331
    11/29/09 366
    11/30/09 391
    12/01/09 399
    12/02/09 437
    12/03/09 493
    12/04/09 564
    12/05/09 648
    12/06/09 708
    12/07/09 786

  65. How many adds did TT get it’s first week sent to HAC? That was a supported song from Jive, so I would be worried about Lee’s support for SS by RCA if he doesn’t get something similar.

    The difference here is that, TT wasn’t even Kris’ debut single from his album and he had 9 adds the first week I think. So, though HAC is a slower format, I would expect that radio would be quick to add the winners first single which they usually do.
    And this is why I don’t get the reason behind debuting it on pop radio when you are impacting HAC first. SMH!

  66. That’s interesting info. I see that both Cook and Kris dropped their first singles almost a month earlier than Lee. RCA waited quite awhile to release FYE though.

  67. The Truth got 9 Hot AC adds in its 1st week and 7 in its 2nd week

    I think this is a good benchmark for SS. Target of about 9 adds this week.

  68. Girlygirl, are Kris’s pop spins all from the Little Rock station or have other stations started playing it?

  69. I’m pretty sure Ryan does get around to interviewing many Idols and playing their first single. Whether he officially “premieres” them, I really don’t know. My point is that getting played once on a station that will never add your song is not a great way to debut a song.

    I think the point of getting a song played on Ryan’s show is that the show is syndicated in over 70 markets, and many of those stations do play songs like SS.

    I wouldn’t take a lack of adds as a sign that RCA isn’t supporting the song or Lee. The press releases make me feel that they do have faith in him, but the releases also make me think that they are running up against a brick wall with radio and the rest of the media. I think PDs showed with their treatment of LLWD that they aren’t going to give idols special treatment anymore, and that the songs will have to rise on their own, and not benefit from someone being from AI.

  70. There is no comparison between the push for the first and the second single, and we need to compare SS to LLWD, or Light On, or Crush, or FYE/WWFM.

    I think it’s comparable because tight now SS is only being pushed to HAC, similar to TT. The others were being pushed to both Pop and HAC.

  71. Girlygirl, are Kris’s pop spins all from the Little Rock station or have other stations started playing it?

    Orlando and Hartford, CT have also spun with Little Rock. They are the three auto adds.

    Those concerts pay off, Kris is booked for jingle balls or whatever they are calling their holiday concerts in Orlando and CT.

  72. Girlygirl, are Kris’s pop spins all from the Little Rock station or have other stations started playing it?

    I think for pop, it’s all Little Rock (helping hometown boy out). I heard they havent released it to pop stations yet so thiss is an exception since both Little Rock staions spinning it are CITADEL.

  73. Orlando and Hartford, CT have also spun with Little Rock. They are the three auto adds

    The Orlando and Hartford stations are HAC, not Pop/CHR.

  74. Orlando and Hartford, CT have also spun with Little Rock. They are the three auto adds.

    Those concerts pay off, Kris is booked for jingle balls or whatever they are calling their holiday concerts in Orlando and CT.

    The Hartford and CT stations are HAC staions not pop. The only pop station spinning AWM is KLAL in Little Rock.

  75. The Orlando and Hartford stations are HAC, not Pop/CHR.

    sorry, missed the ‘pop’ spins part of the question.

  76. I believe LR is the only Pop station is the only one spinning AWM. It is the only one listed on the Mediabase site, anyway

  77. I think it’s comparable because tight now SS is only being pushed to HAC, similar to TT. The others were being pushed to both Pop and HAC.

    TT was released to radio on 24/26/2010 and got 138 weekly spins on HAC two weeks later:

    TT HAC spins

    05/06/10 76
    05/07/10 89
    05/08/10 107
    05/09/10 125
    05/10/10 138
    05/11/10 160
    05/12/10 177
    05/13/10 197
    05/14/10 215
    05/15/10 235
    05/16/10 256
    05/17/10 273
    05/18/10 288
    05/19/10 302
    05/20/10 317

  78. Remember, they didn’t switch singles to WWFM until after the album was released Thanksgiving week.

    I don’t think this is correct – as I posted above, WWFM had adds and spins (including Z100) before the album premiered, and before the AMAs. It also had quite a number of spins on OHP before the album came out.

  79. Considering that LLWD was still in the top 10 on HAC when TT was released, it doesn’t make sense, to me, to compare how many adds The Truth got to how many SS will get. Some stations weren’t going to add TT right away because they were still spinning LLWD, while others added it quickly based on how well LLWD had performed. Either way, SS won’t benefit from or be hampered by having a top ten lead single.

  80. AWM is one of 5 songs listed as “Hot Picks” on the Hot AC section of All-Access’s website (other songs are Give A little More (Maroon 5), Raise Your Glass (P!nk), Strip Me (Natasha Bedingfield) and For the First Time (The Script) )

  81. As always, it’s bit too early to read the tea leaves on the relative success/failure of SS based on a few days worth of airplay. (ETA: Not that any of this will stop the prognosticating.)

  82. AWM is one of 5 songs listed as “Hot Picks” on the Hot AC section of All-Access’s website (other songs are Give A little More (Maroon 5), Raise Your Glass (P!nk), Strip Me (Natasha Bedingfield) and For the First Time (The Script) )

    That can only be a positive – I hear Raise Your Glass all the time.

  83. The only station that officially added WWFM prior to his performance on the AMAs was Z-100 (added on 11/18). The week Adam’s CD dropped, WWFM got 7 adds (including 2 in Canada)

  84. I don’t think this is correct – as I posted above, WWFM had adds and spins (including Z100) before the album premiered, and before the AMAs. It also had quite a number of spins on OHP before the album came out.

    The adds that WWFM got were for the week the album was released (they were just posted early). It did become increasingly clear the week before the album was released that something was up with FYE. I remember being flame-broiled for suggesting the OHP/Z100 spins were an indication that FYE was in trouble (especially since FYE was stalling) and that WWFM might be the new single (despite the filming of the FYE video).

    The add date for WWFM was finally officially advertised the day of the add date (the day the album was released). It is likely, that RCA had already started making deals in the industry prior to that (e.g. Z100 was not only an early adapter of WWFM, but shortly afterwards it was announced that Adam was a last minute addition to their Jingle Ball as one of the MCs).

    Anyway, those are the kind of signs one starts to see when a single is about to be pulled. They have been added to the Idol-Book-of-Wisdom and all new releases will probably be watched for signs of impending doom.

    How SS performs in the next few weeks will be interesting. The album release time is when you get all your television gigs, so it is best to pull the trigger and release something new if the first single is failing to get traction. The label can afford to be patient if there is more lead time up to the album release or if it is a subsequent single. Way too early to predict its failure/success yet, though.

    ETA:

    The only station that officially added WWFM prior to his performance on the AMAs was Z-100 (added on 11/18).

    That was the Wednesday which is the day after the adds closed for the previous week. It is considered to be the add week (add date was Nov 24th).

  85. The album release time is when you get all your television gigs, so it is best to pull the trigger and release something new if the first single is failing to get traction.

    Interesting. So you think RCA is considering what happened with Adam’s FYE and WWFM for Lee? Throwing out SS to see what happens and switching during their big gun promo near album release?

    That kind of makes some sense, actually. Especially if they are trying to save $$, promo pull.

  86. The only station that officially added WWFM prior to his performance on the AMAs was Z-100 (added on 11/18). The week Adam’s CD dropped, WWFM got 7 adds (including 2 in Canada)

    Yes, but it’s a significant one, and combined with the fact that it was also getting increasing substantial airplay, it is clear that the label had switched singles before the AMAs. In addition, at the time WWFM started to get radio play, FYE had as much spins as LLWD for the same period. We’ll never know why they switched singles and whether FYE would have flopped or done well had it been pushed to radio.

  87. Wow! Kris just did some self promo about radio adds (one particular radio sophie) on Twitter. I’m glad he’s going to start pushing himself a bit. Not that I want him to ‘be conceited’ as his banter with Simon went… but go Kris!

  88. Interesting. So you think RCA is considering what happened with Adam’s FYE and WWFM for Lee? Throwing out SS to see what happens and switching during their big gun promo near album release?

    That kind of makes some sense, actually. Especially if they are trying to save $$, promo pull.

    I don’t think it’s what they want, nor is it ideal. But if the first song tanks, it makes sense to switch it early before the tv promo kicks in. In all honesty, I can’t imagine RCA expected SS to light on fire in the next 3-4 weeks before album drop. It could take months of pushing. If they do expect that, well..ok then.

    ETA: If anyone is still playing the ‘guess the artist’ for Z100’s Jingle Ball, the announcement is 4pm EST today. My guess is bottom left corner, BOB, top left Mike Posner, second to the left Buble, bottom right Enrique, far right Bieber. Bruno in between Katy and Selena.Dude in left bottom chair, not sure.

  89. I don’t think it’s what they want, nor is it ideal. But if the first song tanks, it makes sense to switch it early before the tv promo kicks in.

    Yes, I agree. if they want to switch, they ought to do it as soon as possible. The more radio presence a single already has when the promo kicks in, the better.

  90. We’ll never know why they switched singles and whether FYE would have flopped or done well had it been pushed to radio.

    I thought we’d heard enough in interviews and various leaks to find out that FYE was not well received by key PDs. It was pushed. RCA isn’t going to film a video for nothing. But PDs are not going to play what they aren’t going to play (especially when they liked WWFM better…RCA had previewed it to PDs before finally going with FYE). Granted, Adam didn’t do a lot of radio interviews those weeks, but that was because he was practicing his AMA performance. Radio interviews are hardly the only way that labels push singles.

    Interesting. So you think RCA is considering what happened with Adam’s FYE and WWFM for Lee? Throwing out SS to see what happens and switching during their big gun promo near album release?

    Switching flopping songs before the big gun promo is not a strategy based on just their experience with FYE. These sorts of things do happen. They make their best guess, and sometimes it doesn’t work. I don’t think that they think that SS will flop, but they always have to be watching for a flop and be prepared to change courses.

  91. second to the left Buble,

    I think that one is all but confirmed. They found a Buble picture on his website the fits perfectly.

  92. Lee got another add:
    KWYE-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Fresno 19/RMG Peak Broadcasting 66 10/25/2010 10:20:00 AM

  93. If there is not a significant amount of adds for SS, I’m not sure it can indicate a lack of RCA support. Sometimes the PDs are not fans.

    It would be interesting if SS fails to catch and a switch happens. To what? The original debut single? If they have to put out a third, it makes me wonder about how commercial the album is — that could be a good thing or a bad thing.

  94. Wow! Kris just did some self promo about radio adds (one particular radio sophie) on Twitter. I’m glad he’s going to start pushing himself a bit. Not that I want him to ‘be conceited’ as his banter with Simon went… but go Kris!

    What did he say? Honestly I don’t expect Jive to do any push for this and to me it really seems this is more like having a song out there while he’s touring and stuff and Kris’s wish to have this single than really Jive doing anything for it.
    So it wouldn’t surprise me if Kris tried to do all the work on his own, cause it doesn’t look like one can count on Jive. (I’m totally judging this by the Elevator situation).

  95. I think that one is all but confirmed. They found a Buble picture on his website the fits perfectly.

    Yep, and the BOB photo from Tampa’s JB fits and there is an exact Enrique photo match out there as well.

  96. blissful:
    10/25/2010 at 1:26 pm

    If there is not a significant amount of adds for SS, I’m not sure it can indicate a lack of RCA support. Sometimes the PDs are not fans.

    I don’t think that the label can create miracles, but with enough push we should see some decent adds. If the stations don’t like the song, it won’t translate into huge airplay, but at least we should see something happening.
    But may be it is going to get loads of adds today :)

  97. leome

    it had to do with the new music challenge on RadioSophie that AWM is part of. but Kris didn’t do a hard sell — his tweet was “go check this out” rather than “go vote”

  98. What did he say? Honestly I don’t expect Jive to do any push for this and to me it really seems this is more like having a song out there while he’s touring and stuff and Kris’s wish to have this single than really Jive doing anything for it.
    So it wouldn’t surprise me if Kris tried to do all the work on his own, cause it doesn’t look like one can count on Jive. (I’m totally judging this by the Elevator situation).

    this is just a radio contest he RT’d.
    I don’t think Jive tweets about radio contests? I think fans have been tweeting him since friday to RT that contest so he did and I think Jive is doing what they can for their artists. Sometimes it just doesn’t work and that’s just that. You never know what they do behind the scenes with regards to these songs.
    Planning to shoot a video for the song and boooking him on radio gigs are a good sign and of course the only visible push we the fans can see.

  99. If they have to put out a third, it makes me wonder about how commercial the album is — that could be a good thing or a bad thing.

    Honestly? And I say this as a huge Lee fan, but when I saw the names of the collabs on the press press release with the exception of Claude Kelly (and to a lesser extent Hodges) um I kind of cringed a little. When Lindsey Parker singled out some writer/producer names and mentioned some people they worked with I suspected RCA didnt really go out of their way to recruit mega hot names. In fact some of the names screamed “cheap” to me so I’ too have been wondering if the final product isnt very commercial.

  100. Switching flopping songs before the big gun promo is not a strategy based on just their experience with FYE. These sorts of things do happen

    Oh, I didn’t mean a song switch relating to FYE specifically; singles get switched all the time; but I mean kind of putting the eggs in the basket for promo around the time of the album release (and so if they have to switch they will have some promo going).

  101. When Lindsey Parker singled out some writer/producer names and mentioned some people they worked with I suspected RCA didnt really go out of their way to recruit mega hot names. In fact some of the names screamed “cheap” to me so I’ too have been wondering if the final product isnt very commercial.

    I basically expected this all along, because if he’d been working with really hot names, there would have actually been some buzz behind it.

    I’m also thinking that, while project-planning was easier given that the producers were able to write and produce tracks as available, it gets LD away from the folk-rock audience, which usually expects a single producer name at the helm. I still think that really hurt KA’s album sales, too. Sure, a single sells on the name of a hot producer, but getting people to pull the trigger on the album requires signaling that there’s a vision there, and one producer tying the strands together is a common way to do that. Some people might prefer “eclectic” production but I don’t think the average album-buyer does.

  102. Some people might prefer “eclectic” production but I don’t think the average album-buyer does.

    Did Cook have one producer? I liked his songs live in concert, but rarely listen the album, it’s too one note same-same to me. It’s fine on shuffle on the ipod, but I’ll take eclectic any day over everything sounds the same. I’m really hoping he’ll avoid this on #2, when it does finally come out.

  103. I’m also thinking that, while project-planning was easier given that the producers were able to write and produce tracks as available, it gets LD away from the folk-rock audience, which usually expects a single producer name at the helm. I still think that really hurt KA’s album sales, too.

    Kris’ music isn’t folk-rock. Nothing on the album sounds like folk music. For the most part, people have no clue who produced or wrote a song or album. If people like a song, they will buy it, but album sales are based more on knowing the artist, which takes time.

  104. third add for Lee:
    KVLY-FM Pub 0 Hot AC McAllen 19/RMG Entravision Communications Company LLC 59 10/25/2010 11:27:00 AM

  105. I’ll take eclectic any day after everything sounds the same.

    Maybe we are the minority.. but I feel the same way, whether we are talking about HAC or POP type artists. I tend to prefer artists that play on both charts. Or should I say have songs that could be split to fit on one or the other.

  106. Kirsten:
    10/25/2010 at 1:23 pm
    second to the left Buble,

    I think that one is all but confirmed. They found a Buble picture on his website the fits perfectly.

    I guess they will try to push his new song to pop. He’s not exactly my taste, but a nice change of pace on pop.

  107. koshka:
    10/25/2010 at 2:29 pm
    I’ll take eclectic any day after everything sounds the same.

    Maybe we are the minority.. but I feel the same way, whether we are talking about HAC or POP type artists. I tend to prefer artists that play on both charts. Or should I say have songs that could be split to fit on one or the other.

    Me too

  108. I feel the same way too. Maybe it’s because of iPods and playlists, but I love eclectic. I think one producer can be good too, though IF you have the right producer. I felt the same way about Cook’s album too, sr4mjc, maybe Rob Cavallo just wasn’t the right choice for that album. He produced some of Adam’s tracks too, and while I like those songs
    they’re not my favorites.

    Would love Adam to do a whole album produced by Greg Wells.

  109. I kinda agree about liking eclectic but sometimes it works, sometimes not so much. Depending on the quality of the producers(s). If I had to choose between Kris or Adam I guess i always liked Kris better, however IMO the multiple producers worked better on Adam’s and I enjoyed his songs more. My issue/concern is most of the names attached to Lee’s CD for production I’m not terribly impressed with. OF course I could end up loving ever song! Its just an initial feeling I had.

  110. I noticed Lee wrote several songs with Lindy Robbins & Toby Gad. Kris also worked with them a lot. I guess they are in the “stable” of writers/producers 19 uses for the Idol debut albums? I know Kris said he learned a lot from working with them

  111. Kris’ music isn’t folk-rock. Nothing on the album sounds like folk music.

    I didn’t say it was, but even for his type of pop-rock, people still expect a common thread from a songwriter. He wasn’t presented as a musician with a singular point of view, and I do think that made it harder to convince the public that they should buy the album on one single. “Knowing the artist” means getting a message from the artist. For LD’s (sub)genre, I think it’s as or even more important.

    As for things sounding same-y, the presentation of an album is a three-legged stool: the writing, the sonic palette, and the tracklist/sequencing. A band like the Ramones or Vampire Weekend writes in a very similar style throughout, so no matter what happens with the production, the songs are going to sound the same after awhile. The palette means using different instrumentation at different levels to get different effects; KOL’s CAS has a wonderful use of “space” in the production but that nice bass-forward sound doesn’t vary all that much, so I got bored quickly. And both of those elements could be up to par but the album would still need to be sequenced properly in order to showcase the songs; I like DCTR a lot but it was really back-loaded with ballads, and that’s often as much on A&R as it is on the producer.

    And iPod era aside, I still often prefer playing through an album to shuffling or creating playlists. A good album will have peaks and valleys, but still a common strand. It’s much harder to get those transitions with a playlist, which is why they take me so long to make. I’m fastidious.

  112. I’m really hoping he’ll avoid this on #2, when it does finally come out.

    Depends on which “this” you’re hoping he’d avoid. If you mean Cavallo, then yes; if you mean one producer, then no. He has one producer on the next album as well, except it’s Matt Serletic, not Rob Cavallo.

    Look, I enjoy DCTR a lot, but I’m not the biggest apologist for it– I think it could’ve been better. That said, I don’t think having one producer is a problem. I tend to like albums with one producer– besides my rock albums, a lot of the more singer-songwriter albums I have (Sara Bareilles, John Mayer, Matt Nathanson, Jason Mraz) seem to go with the one(ish) producer thing. I also love my pop albums that have multiple producers and are eclectic (Pink, Kelly Clarkson, Beyonce, Britney– don’t judge!). I think the former group does have a bit of a more uniform sound throughout, and the latter group is more like putting your ipod on shuffle. I like both, and expect different things from each category.

    ETA: standtotheright- thanks for the insight on the 3 causes of albums being “same-y”! Also, I agree with you– I make playlists, sure, but I also enjoy getting albums and listening to them front to back with its peaks and valleys, etc.

    RCA gave Cook and Adam fantastic promotion. Cook got an SNL gig and Adam got that big AMA performance.

    Since SNL and AMAs seem out of the question for Lee… what similar “something extra” could he get besides the usual slew of talk shows…? Hm. Is he showing up, even to present, at ANY awards shows this year? People Choice, some kids’ awards shows, anything? I’m curious how his people plan on making him visible before the drop.

  113. Since SNL and AMAs seem out of the question for Lee… what similar “something extra” could he get besides the usual slew of talk shows…? Hm. Is he showing up, even to present, at ANY awards shows this year? People Choice, some kids’ awards shows, anything? I’m curious how his people plan on making him visible before the drop.

    I just get the sense that this roll out will not exactly be like previous RCA roll outs. The first indication is HAC add date without CHR. Personally I don’t blame them. The charts are a little crazy right now.. but I wonder how this will play out if they wait until after the freeze to add to CHR or if they’ll do it sooner. And since he isn’t going CHR.. there will be no jingleballs.

  114. KLTG-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Corpus Christi, TX 19/RMG Tejas Broadcasting 137 10/25/2010 12:48:00 PM

    Another add for Lee! :)

  115. Thanks for answering my question about Kris tweet :)

    Where is Elevator? Does it really “come down”?

    This one never went up.

    I don’t think an eclectic album and having one producer are two opposite things. You can have one producer and one eclectic album at the same time. I think Adam’s album flows well with the different producers, but with Kris and Archuleta’s you can totally notice the differences.

  116. I certainly think an album can be sonically interesting with one producer. Most rock albums, I believe, use one producer and there’s been some amazing music released as a result. For me, multiple producers can result in a smorgasbord of sounds, with little cohesion, especially if there are different writers as well. Cohesion does not have to be boring, if done well.

  117. Since SNL and AMAs seem out of the question for Lee… what similar “something extra” could he get besides the usual slew of talk shows…? Hm. Is he showing up, even to present, at ANY awards shows this year? People Choice, some kids’ awards shows, anything? I’m curious how his people plan on making him visible before the drop.

    I think everyone is curious about what they will do. Guess we’ll find out in November because something must be planned.

    But Lee already won a Teen Choice Award — 8/8/10 he won “Choice TV: Male Reality/Variety Star”. Just didn’t generate any buzz for it.

    I haven’t counted TV appearances but it just seems like Kris had many more appearances on talk shows than Lee. And some of his appearance were not solo like Kris had.

    After Idol — Kris and Adam were on separate Ellen Shows — Kris long before Adam was on. (Adam did call into the show before Kris was on.) Lee and Crystal were on the same Ellen Show. I think it is as much about Idol loosing some of its importance as a reflection on Lee.

  118. Has anything been announced about AMA presenters? At the very least I think thats a possibility for Lee.

    I just get the sense that this roll out will not exactly be like previous RCA roll outs.

    Yeah ITA. Adam and David had much more buzz and an overall higher interest level so even if Lee’s people tried I wouldnt expect him to get the same type of rollout. IIRC their pre-orders were also significantly higher than where Lee has been ranking so I’m sure the label were expecting bigger numbers anyway. I think another thing is the Idol connection just doesnt attraction the same kind of interest it once did.

  119. I certainly think an album can be sonically interesting with one producer. Most rock albums, I believe, use one producer and there’s been some amazing music released as a result. For me, multiple producers can result in a smorgasbord of sounds, with little cohesion, especially if there are different writers as well. Cohesion does not have to be boring, if done well.

    I think it depends upon the concept of the album, and what the artist is trying to accomplish.

    I think Gaga’s Fame Monster is coherent — 8 tracks, 9 producers including Gaga.

    Eminem’s Recovery is certainly coherent and it involved 12 producers.

    Also the type of production required — many rock album do not involved much in the way of electro/technical production. Other genres make greater use of specialized producers.

    Some of today’s producers would have been called “engineers” in the 70’s and 80’s — I believe the switch was primarily driven by royalties.

    Many of the greatest rock albums of all times were held together thematically, not by genre or production style — for example, “Dark Side of the Moon”.

  120. After Idol — Kris and Adam were on separate Ellen Shows — Kris long before Adam was on. (Adam did call into the show before Kris was on.) Lee and Crystal were on the same Ellen Show. I think it is as much about Idol loosing some of its importance as a reflection on Lee.

    That bothered me…he should have gotten to be on the show as the winner by himself. I like Crystal so this isn’t a dis to her. Hopefully, RCA has some promo ideas…just hard to be patient :)

  121. Yeah ITA. Adam and David had much more buzz and an overall higher interest level so even if Lee’s people tried I wouldnt expect him to get the same type of rollout. IIRC their pre-orders were also significantly higher than where Lee has been ranking so I’m sure the label were expecting bigger numbers anyway. I think another thing is the Idol connection just doesnt attraction the same kind of interest it once did.

    They signed Lee to RCA Records — not to some secondary or niche Sony label — they must have promotional plans for him. But I am equally sure they will hold the force of effort for the album launch. When RCA Records promotes album usually as a one-year effort, not a 1 month effort.

    Every artist/album has a different marketing and promotion plan. And aside from being from Idol, Lee has little in common with Cook, Adam or Daughtry.

  122. Lee’s add count for today is up to six, with stations in NJ, Honolulu, Texas, CA and AL.

  123. 7 Hot AC adds for Lee (including the Santa Rosa one from Friday)

    Station Spins LW Format Market Label Owner Market
    Rank Date Added
    KLTG-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Corpus Christi, TX 19/RMG Tejas Broadcasting 137 10/25/2010
    KMHX-FM Pub 1 Hot AC Santa Rosa, CA 19/RMG Maverick Media 119 10/22/2010
    KUCD-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Honolulu 19/RMG Clear Channel Communications 64 10/25/2010
    KVLY-FM Pub 0 Hot AC McAllen 19/RMG Entravision Communications Company LLC 59 10/25/2010
    KWYE-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Fresno 19/RMG Peak Broadcasting 66 10/25/2010
    WAHR-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Huntsville 19/RMG Black Crow Broadcasting 107 10/25/2010
    WAYV-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Atlantic City, NJ 19/RMG Equity Communications LP 141 10/25/2010

  124. 7 is not terrible. It would be nice to see a few more before the day is done. I’d call 10 adds a decent start.

  125. smeggingnuts:
    10/25/2010 at 5:36 pm
    Isn’t tuesday offical HAC add day?? or am I misstaken?

    I think Tuesday is official Top40 add day, and Monday is official HAC day.

    Way to go, Lee! 7 adds with only a little over 50% reporting. I’d say that’s a good start!

    Also, a little OT, but way to go Willow Smith with Whip My Hair!!! Over 30 adds so far for her song!

  126. sr4mjc:
    10/25/2010 at 4:27 pm
    I got Taio Cruz wrong and the other unknown was Travie. But the rest is right

    http://www.z100.com/pages/events/jingleball10/

    Which one was supposed to be Adam? I can’t remember if it was Enrique or Travie.

    Isn’t tuesday offical HAC add day?? or am I misstaken?

    No, it’s Mondays. Pop is Tuesdays.

  127. Another HAC add for Lee-KLLY FM in Bakersfield CA.

    ETA Another one- KPEX in Albuquerque

  128. Many of the greatest rock albums of all times were held together thematically, not by genre or production style

    Hmmm… I think you could make a strong argument that a single production style provides a solid structure from which to build a theme. But yes, I’d agree that the current pop music sound, with its emphasis on electro/technological dance elements allows for a more multi-producer-friendly approach than does a rock album.

    The problem with multiple producers on an Idol album, is that there is already a strong tendency out of the Idol gate to try to be all things to all people and that is already a dicey proposition. Add multiple producers and writers to the mix and you’re way more likely to get a mish/mash sound that is artistically lacking, but works for the casual Idol audience as a kind of memento, like a TV show album (see Glee). And the fact that these first albums for the winners are made in a mad rush certainly doesn’t help foster a well-integrated sound either. I would argue that this kind of album is precisely what’s given Idol alumni such a bad name amongst serious musicians. It’s a really short-sighted approach that can be more of a handicap than anything else for an artist attempting to build a viable long-term career.

    A quick glance at the producer situation of the top-selling Idol debut albums:
    Kelly Clarkson – pop – multi-producers
    Carrie Underwood – country – 2 producers
    Daughtry – pop/rock – 1 producer
    David Cook – pop/rock – 1 producer

  129. It’s weird, I’m checking Mediabase from home and seeing the Sirius station that added Lee last week, but it wasn’t showing up when I checked from work.

    Counting the Sirius station (with 11 spins last week), Lee is now up to 10 adds:

    Station Spins LW Added Chart Wk# Added Chart Rank Format Market Label Owner Market
    Rank Date Added
    KLLY-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC Bakersfield 19/RMG Buckley Broadcasting Corporation 75 10/25/2010
    KLTG-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC Corpus Christi, TX 19/RMG Tejas Broadcasting 137 10/25/2010
    KMHX-FM Pub 1 0 0 Hot AC Santa Rosa, CA 19/RMG Maverick Media 119 10/22/2010
    KPEK-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC Albuquerque 19/RMG Clear Channel Communications 68 10/25/2010
    KUCD-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC Honolulu 19/RMG Clear Channel Communications 64 10/25/2010
    KVLY-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC McAllen 19/RMG Entravision Communications Company LLC 59 10/25/2010
    KWYE-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC Fresno 19/RMG Peak Broadcasting 66 10/25/2010
    WAHR-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC Huntsville 19/RMG Black Crow Broadcasting 107 10/25/2010
    WAYV-FM Pub 0 0 0 Hot AC Atlantic City, NJ 19/RMG Equity Communications LP 141 10/25/2010
    The Pulse Pub 11 0 0 Hot AC >SiriusXM 19/RMG SiriusXM 0 10/18/2010

  130. The good news is that Lee got 9 adds today. The bad news is that none of them were a top 50 market and his home town station WTMX, a top 10 market wasn’t one of them. I’m hoping for a better week next week since audience impressions from these adds will not be anything much, and he’s not even going for pop adds to help out.

  131. The Sirius FM station isn’t listed in the link I have. 9 Hot AC adds for Lee — that’s not bad. No really big markets (none in Top 50 markets), but it’s a start, anyway. Hopefully these stations will actually spin him a decent amount of times.

    Kris ended up today with the 4 automatic adds (3 Hot AC, 1 Top 40)

  132. Chicago is an auto-adder, so they couldn’t have added him this week.
    Nice number of adds for Lee.

  133. So, is this all the adds we should expect for Lee this week, since Monday is Hot AC day? I’m glad so many people here know this stuff, as I am clueless.

  134. The good news is that Lee got 9 adds today. The bad news is that none of them were a top 50 market and his home town station WTMX, a top 10 market wasn’t one of them. I’m hoping for a better week next week since audience impressions from these adds will not be anything much, and he’s not even going for pop adds to help out.

    The Chicago station usually waits until a song breaks into the top 40 before they add it. They aren’t usually the first station to play new music. I don’t see the lack of a top 50 add as a bad thing, since it is just the first week.

  135. It looks like 100% of Hot AC stations have reported now. Lee is tied with Pink to have the third highest number of adds this week. Not too shabby, IMO.

    # of Adds
    In Format Artist Title Label Total Historic Adds
    21 TRAIN Marry Me Columbia 70
    20 MAROON 5 Give A Little More A&M/Octone/Interscope 58
    9 LEE DEWYZE Sweet Serendipity 19/RMG 10
    9 PINK Raise Your Glass LaFace/JLG 79

    http://addboard.mediabase.com/AddsByFormat.asp?format=A2

  136. A Top 40 station could decided to add SS even though the label is pushing it to HAC stations.

    9 adds for HAC is not bad because there are only 101 stations on the HAC Panel. So at 10 total add, Lee has 10%.

    But hard to drive album sales without Pop radio support. So I hope there is a cross-over promo strategy.

  137. Movin2thabeet, you forgot Fantasia and Ruben, who rank higher than Cook’s album. They both had multiple producers on their debut albums.

  138. 21 TRAIN Marry Me Columbia 70

    That’s TRAIN??!! I hate that song with the fire of a thousand suns. BOO!!!

    Anyway… congrats Lee. :D

  139. AWM won its radioSophie song challenge — and as a reward is going up against Katy Perry’s new single (Firework) tonight. ROFL

  140. Also – Movin2thabeet – Clay Aiken’s debut album – Measure of a Man – 2,784,000.
    There was multiple producers.

  141. Wasn’t today the day that Adam’s Sleepwalker was going to be released as a single in Canada? Is there any information out there about that? I’d love to hear the radio edit if it’s available.

  142. cwm
    not sure if there is a radio edit…ChumFM who debuted it this weekend used the CD version and said they didn’t know about a radio edit…I hope they did a radio edit the song is kinda long for current radio

  143. Thanks everyone for the corrections. I think the main point is that successful artists in the type of pop/rock that Kris and Lee are likely to do, generally have 1-2 producers, plus sometimes the artist(s) themselves. I took a look at some comparable non-Idol current artists – Train, Maroon 5, One Republic, John Mayer, Jack Johnson, the Script. They all follow this pattern. I think this generally holds true for most rock and country artists as well.

    I think a comparison with like-minded artists is ultimately more valuable than simply looking at other Idol artists. The problem is I think there’s pressure for Idol artists to use multiple producers. That’s fine if they’re a Pop or R&B artist, but not so much otherwise.

  144. smeggs — I was thinking that ChumFM might have just used the album version this weekend because the radio edit wasn’t available until today??

  145. I was thinking that ChumFM might have just used the album version this weekend because the radio edit wasn’t available until today??

    SW was supposed to be serviced to Canadian stations today, but I’m wondering when it will go for radio adds?

  146. larc — what is the difference between “being serviced to stations” and “going for adds”?

  147. I’m sad I missed most of the conversation today :( It was a fun read.
    I really wish Lee good luck with his song – it has a fun vibe and hopefully he’ll catch a lucky break. Either way, watching the strategy unfold will be really entertaining.

    On another note, people keep commenting that RCA is responsible for getting Cook SNL and Adam AMA – I thought that was 19M rather than the label. RCA is about the radio promotion while management does the TV bookings.

  148. Serviced to stations — is when the label delivers the digital files or CD single to radio stations — digital in the US and Canada.

    Add Date (more often referred to as “Impact Date”) is the first day that the label would like airplay to start having an impact on sales. Promotional events and ad support is often tied to on or after the impact date.

    It is still unclear if there is a radio edit OR how much effort Sony Music Canada will put behind this release but saveral major stations in Canada have tweeted for requests and CHUM FM, of course, play the album track over the weekend as an unofficial debut.

  149. Q3 — makes sense. Thanks for the info — I understand the distinction better now. :-)

    So today was the day that the song was serviced to stations, but this was not the add date?

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