Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Nov 1-7

Jason Castro makes it to the top 30 on CAC with his latest single “You Are”. I believe that this is the first time he’s made the top 30 on a Mediabase chart. I see that he also has a nice add running on the AllAccess Christian Music pages noting that he had the most added song on Christian radio.

Returning to our charts is Lee DeWyze with his debut single from his debut album. It makes an appearance in the top 50 on the HAC chart.

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Details after the jump! (as of 7:13 pm on 11/07/10)

Adam Lambert:
“If I Had You”: 20 HAC (16), 38 AC (38)

Carrie Underwood:
“Mama’s Song”: ^11 Country (13)
“Undo It”: 34 HAC (31)

Chris Sligh:
“Only You Can Save”: 13 CAC (13)

Daughtry:
“Life After You”: 7 AC (6)
“September”: 4 HAC (3), ^8 AC (8), ^24 Pop (22)

Fantasia:
“Bittersweet”: 9 UAC (3)
“I’m Doin’ Me”: ^12 UAC (13), 26 Urban (27)

Hedley (Jacob from CI2):
“Perfect”: ^33 HAC (32)

Jason Castro:
“You Are”: ^26 CAC (33)

Lee DeWyze:
“Sweet Serendipity”: ^46 HAC (61)

Matt Giruad:
“Thank You” (Jim Brickman): ^24 AC (23)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous week. The “^” (aka “a bullet”) indicates that a song gained spins since last week

Upcoming Add Dates (from AllAccess):
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101 Comments

  1. yey for lee! hope we get to see upward movement of SS as the promotional stuff is put into high gear. also happy for the other idols gaining spins :)

  2. Did they ever announce an offical add date for Kris’ new single? And wasn’t he going to do a music video…or am I starting to lose my mind?

    Also any word on when Lee’s music video debues? For Kris and Adam it seemed to be 2-3 weeks after filming.

  3. Congratulations to the first time charters in the group. It’s good to see new faces arriving.

  4. Did they ever announce an offical add date for Kris’ new single? And wasn’t he going to do a music video…or am I starting to lose my mind?

    My questions too.. although I don’t think there is an add date, not that there needs to be one if the song has been distributed, which I believe it has.

  5. Lee has a big Chicago add this morning – I’m surprised at how happy this makes me! Market rank – 3!

    * WCFS-FM Pub 9 AC Chicago 19/RMG CBS Radio 3 11/8/2010 6:14:00 AM

  6. smeggingnuts, I believe Lee’s video is supposed to come out this week, but I haven’t heard a specific date.

    Yay for the Chicago radio add! It’s about time they showed their homeboy some love.

  7. Flicker, I don’t want to discourage your excitement, and WCFS has been giving Lee spins in Chicago, but it’s a newer, smallish AC station, so it’s not going to help him with his HAC charting. He’s also been played quite a bit in Chicago on WXLC which is a HAC station although also small and unmonitored. What Lee really needs is a WTMX add. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for that one. They have been giving SS a few test spins and they do tend to be slow, but I assume they will add SS eventually.

  8. I wonder why Lee is getting spins on a Chicago AC station, instead of HAC?

  9. Thank you for the info, Aileen. I’d rather know the whole story. I also just noticed that the WCFS is an auto-add. But, more spins = more exposure for Lee, so I’m still happy about it.

  10. If there hasn’t been an adds date by now IMO I’d stop waiting for one. This is a 3rd single, plenty of stations are familiar with Kris and they have the song whether they throw the “we don’t have it” bullshit around. Considering how long Kris’ album has been out of the BB200 its a miracle he got another single, but I can’t see Jive investing much money.

    Hoping this is a good add day for Lee and the audience impressions start going up. Need some big stations! I’m hoping he’ll visit WPLJ when he starts his NY promo.

  11. ITA, Aileen and just to add Lee needs more consistent daytime spins versus overnight for more exposure when people are actually listening to the radio.

  12. Yeah, I agree about AWM. If it doesn’t get any HAC adds today, I’d say it’s pretty done. I can’t see Jive throwing money at a third single from an album that’s stopped selling.

    Lee def needs some adds today as well. I think his album is dropping in two weeks and he has minimal radio presence.

  13. Lee def needs some adds today as well. I think his album is dropping in two weeks and he has minimal radio presences so far.

    The majority of the previous idol alums had minimal radio presence at the time that their albums dropped. The people who initially buy the album are going to be the hardcore and casual AI fans, not people who only know Lee based on Sweet Serendipity, and who want to check out the rest of the album.

  14. Fingers crossed for some good adds today for the Idols!

    AWM’s rollout continues to frustrate. I thought Kris would be hitting up lots of radio stations on this tour, but I can’t even remember the last time he visited one. He was just in Chicago, too. *sigh*

  15. The majority of the previous idol alums had minimal radio presence at the time that their albums dropped.

    That’s really not true. In the early days singles came after the albums were released BUT all the early winners had released coronation songs that sold very well. Even Kris’s song LLWD had a much stronger presence on radio before his album dropped.

    He could start slowly and turn into a big success but right now Lee is in lousy shape for someone with a debut album coming so quickly. He doesn’t seem to have a big Idol fanbase and radio isn’t creating any interest in him…yet.

  16. Good for Jason! He went in a direction that doesn’t interest me at all, but I wish him much success with his music.

  17. Kris is still a new artist, so it’s very possible that stations will wait until awm is sent for adds before they add the song(even singles from established artists don’t always get tone of adds before the adds date). AWM needs an add date in order to continue to climb. It can still get an adds date and I think that it’s too early to decide to bury the song.
    AWM was played yesterday on the new music hour on the HAC Las Vegas station for the first time. It is possible that new station will start playing it during the week- many of the HAC station are auto-adders.
    Kris said that they are planning an mv and that they want to release the mv as soon as possible. Kris also still be doing radio related concerts in December.

  18. I wonder why Lee is getting spins on a Chicago AC station, instead of HAC?

    Maybe because the big Chicago stations are continuing their slow-to-play-Idols-no-matter-what stance that I seem to remember them having most of the time?

  19. That’s really not true. In the early days singles came after the albums were released BUT all the early winners had coronation songs that sold very well.

    The coronation singles sold well, but they did not get a lot of airplay, and except for Kelly and David, that airplay was mostly from AC stations, and at their peaks, usually amounted to a couple of hundred spins in a week. The people who purchase the singles, and made the first four go to number 1 on Billboard’s Hot 100, were hardcore AI fans, who were purchasing a souvenir of their favorite AI contestant, and not necessarily buying a song that they liked, or actually heard on the radio, so they are no different than the hardcore fans who will buy the first album, without really listening to the songs on the album.

    Jordin had a growing Top 40 hit and Cook had a very big radio hit with TOML. Even Kris’s song LLWD had a much stronger presence on radio before his album dropped.

    Jordin is one of the reasons why I used the word “most” and not all. Jordin’s single was released in August, so it had more time than SS has had to saturate radio.

  20. Kris is still a new artist, so it’s very possible that stations will wait until awm is sent for adds before they add the song(even singles from established artists don’t always get tone of adds before the adds date). AWM needs an add date in order to continue to climb. It can still get an adds date and I think that it’s too early to decide to bury the song.

    The song needs to be promoted. It can be promoted without having an add date, and it can be given an add date without the label supporting or promoting it.

  21. That’s not true about previous winners and not even about coronation songs. I’m sure someone can dig up spin history but I’m virtually certain previous first radio singles had a lot more than 400 spins at this point. Not all were blowing up with hits (Jordin and I think Carrie was) but Kris was definitely getting a lot more spins at this point last year with bigger stations, and David saw LO (and TOML) getting substantial spins. I’m a big Lee fan and it frustrates me but I do think his start is a lot slower than other winners. RCA not even attempting to go for pop is even more frustrating. LO wasn’t the best fit for pop but they certainly shoehorned that into top 40 as much as they could and drove it to Top 20 which was still better than nothing.

  22. Lee def needs some adds today as well. I think his album is dropping in two weeks and he has minimal radio presence.

    Isn’t his album dropping in only a week?? I thought it was Nov. 16, or no?

    I agree JP; he has a small AI base for a winner, less buzz and no coronation single presence out there (I think Cook TOML really helped his album sales, even if a lot of it was AC). He could use some airplay. Looks like he has a nice bump up to #46, but he needs a radio hit more than past winners did, IMO.

  23. Since Lee’s single was sent only to HAC, it will probably be several weeks before it will have enough airplay to really drive sales. It needs some big adds and more daytimes spins. It has a pretty slow start, but it’s still too early to know how well it will en dup doing. Songs with slower starts ended up doing well. It all depends on how the listeners will respond to the song and how much RCA will push it.

    The lack of radio presence might hurt the numbers of his album’s first week, but in the long run it is more important that both this single and the follow up will do well with people from outside his fanbase.

  24. The coronation singles sold well, but they did not get a lot of airplay, and except for Kelly and David, that airplay was mostly from AC stations, and at their peaks, usually amounted to a couple of hundred spins in a week

    I can’t speak for the others, but that’s not the case for Cook. TOML was #10 on the HAC recurrent charts when DCTR dropped (after peaking at 7 on the HAC chart and 29 on Top40). His first non-coronation single, Light On, was already climbing the charts at that point, sitting at 31 on Top40 and 14 on HAC. So he had two songs in regular radio rotation when the album was released.

  25. That’s not true about previous winners and not even about coronation songs.

    Considering that the first three winners didn’t release a single, other than the coronation single, until their albums were released, Carrie didn’t release one until the middle of October, around the same time as Lee’s release, and Taylor’s first single came out months after his album was released, how could any of them have a strong single out that was driving the album? For the most part, other than Kelly and David, nobody’s coronation song has done a lot on the radio.

  26. Lee def needs some adds today as well. I think his album is dropping in two weeks and he has minimal radio presence.

    Yep, but only if a miracle happens and it start shooting up the chart, otherwise it is too late to create a significant pre-christmas boost.
    We’ll have to see if it pushed ever.

    I fear that Sony might be dumping the idols, except the obvious money-makers.

  27. I can’t speak for the others, but that’s not the case for Cook. TOML was #10 on the HAC recurrent charts when DCTR dropped (after peaking at 7 on the HAC chart and 29 on Top40). His first non-coronation single, Light On, was already climbing the charts at that point, sitting at 31 on Top40 and 14 on HAC. So he had two songs in regular radio rotation when the album was released.

    And this is what you quoted from my post:

    The coronation singles sold well, but they did not get a lot of airplay, and except for Kelly and David, that airplay was mostly from AC stations, and at their peaks, usually amounted to a couple of hundred spins in a week

    Maybe it would help if I said, “and except for Kelly and David, that airplay was mostly from AC stations.”

    The point is that accept for those two coronation songs, most of the others did not get a lot of spins, and most were not played on a lot of different formats, so these people didn’t have a big radio presence when their albums were released.

  28. For the most part, other than Kelly and David, nobody’s coronation song has done a lot on the radio.

    Exactly…they are the only two I hear….and I still hear them on Musak and in casinos and on AC. I don’t think I even remember any of the other coronation songs so they must not have been impressive in any way.

  29. Maybe it would help if I said, “and except for Kelly and David, that airplay was mostly from AC stations.”

    Well it would certainly be more accurate. If that’s what you mean by “help”

    The point is that accept for those two coronation songs, most of the others did not get a lot of spins, and most were not played on a lot of different formats,

    And my point was that Cook not only had a very strong coronation song but also a regular single doing well on the charts at the time his record was released. I beleive Achie, Jordin and Kris all had non-coronation songs climbing the charts when their records came out as well. Adam was a little behind the curve because of the change in singles from FYE to WWFM. But in the more “modern” AI era (after Kelly broke through and showed that there could be an audience for AI artists beyond the initial Idol-driven buying spree) I think 19 has generally tried to have some radio presence for the artists before the record releases. Right now, Lee is looking like an exception that regard. IMO, of course.

  30. No I understand the point that a strong coronation song likely helped contribute to strong album sales..but I’m not talking about coronation songs here and how they charted on AC, as progression said Light On at this point was 31 on POP and 14 on HAC which is a stark contrast to where SS is. I think the point some of us is trying to make is that even the debut album songs that werent huge or out for months were still higher than SS is. Does anyone know where LLWD was on pop last year at this time? I know I was hearing it on Z100. Or how about JJTW on country? where was that?

    And the thing is, given the overall lack of buzz AI9 in general had Lee probably needs the radio presence even more than the previous winners. YMMV.

  31. That’s the part that has always puzzled me about these Coronary songs the winners get saddled with.

    Nobody ‘expects’ them to do very well past the first flush – and yet, this is the winner’s only bridge between Idol and the first single, months later…so continuing play would be a very good thing. But no one is surprised if that doesn’t happen.

    Yet, TPTB continue handing the winners Drek on a Plate, as if daring them to make something of it. When it works, when the winner can actually pull that off, as in the two examples of Kelly and David, it seems to make a difference to the single and the album’s reception.

    So, why not better quality Coronaries?.

    Just a random thought.

  32. Mediabase for LLWD 11/08/2009:

    Format/TWS/Aud
    All 2027 9.6
    HAC 847 3.883
    POP 1031 5.62

  33. Does anyone know where LLWD was on pop last year at this time?

    KATR was released 11/17/09 and at that point LLWD was charting as folllows:
    “Live Like We Are Dying”: ^21 HAC (23), ^37 Pop (38)

  34. So, why not better quality Coronaries?. Just a random thought.

    Maybe because the decent writters won’t because they don’t know who is going to be sining one of their babies. So they don’t want to risk having their reputation attached to something they don’t have control of….just a thought ;)

  35. JTTW was already a hit on country radio by the time Some Hearts hit the shelves, LLWD was getting much more airplay too.
    I really don’t remember what happened with Fantasia and Ruben.
    From what I remember Daughtry didn’t release a single before the album but there was a lot of interest from the stations since they played his songs from idol durign the competition.

  36. Back in the prehistoric days, Idols didn’t need much radio play to sell albums. Every Idol winner routinely sold one million albums. But album sales have fallen off a cliff so without radio and/or a huge fan base, Idol winners aren’t even guaranteed a gold album. And Lee right now is in worse shape that Kris was this time last year.

  37. Lee should get four automatic adds this week at least:

    Hot AC Pub 16 Hot AC >Dial Global
    KJMY-FM Pub 13 Hot AC Salt Lake City
    KRSK-FM Pub 12 Hot AC Portland, OR
    CKRV-FM Pub 7 Canada-Hot AC Kamloops

    All four are auto adders and have played the song 7 times or more.

    Alright With Me doesn’t look like it will have any auto-adds this week. The only new station the adds boards is showing for the song is KMHX, an HAC station in Santa Rosa that played it 1 time. That station isn’t an auto-adder, so they may add it.

  38. It appears to me that RCA is focusing on Lee’s album sales rather than the single. They seem to be going for an instant buzz to drive album sales especially during the week his album drops. After that I have only seen like two jingle balls that he is scheduled plus the Dolphins tailgate gig. Not much else on the calendar to sustain sales.

  39. tripp_ncwy- if that it RCA real strategy- it’s a very risky one and imo doesn’t make much sense.

  40. The Las Vegas Hot AC station that spun AWM last night is sponsoring a charity contest/food drive where the winning school gets a free concert from Kris, They are also promoting his Nov 19th concert with Lifehouse. So they might start spinning this song some more (FWIW, AWM also has a 94% approval rate on the station’s fan poll)

  41. It appears to me that RCA is focusing on Lee’s album sales rather than the single. They seem to be going for an instant buzz to drive album sales especially during the week his album drops. After that I have only seen like two jingle balls that he is scheduled plus the Dolphins tailgate gig. Not much else on the calendar to sustain sales.

    They are the standard AI winner TV appearances, and as far as I know, they are organised by the management, not the label.
    The jingle balls are radio gigs though, or legal payola, so it’s some effort from the label.

  42. Great news for Jason – I hope he continues to do well! I like his new song – but on the whole I don’t really listen to much in the christian music genre.

  43. That’s good news for Jason, but help out someone who never listens to Christian music — how common is it for a song on the Christian chart to sell huge amounts if it doesn’t cross over into another genre? I rarely see Christian high on the main iTunes charts, for example.

  44. tripp_ncwy:
    11/08/2010 at 12:53 pm
    It appears to me that RCA is focusing on Lee’s album sales rather than the single. They seem to be going for an instant buzz to drive album sales especially during the week his album drops.

    luly:
    11/08/2010 at 12:58 pm
    tripp_ncwy- if that it RCA real strategy- it’s a very risky one and imo doesn’t make much sense.

    If my bad memory serves, I feel like my impression was that RCA largely used that strategy with Adam and David…? Jive always seemed more proactive earlier with the lead-off singles in comparison with RCA, which seemed to save a lot of their push for the album week… but that may be just my impression.

  45. Yeah I think RCA has always been more focused on albums than singles, in the past the strategy has worked but I think in Lee’s case he needs more. More visibility leading up to the album release for sure. If Amazon and Itunes are any indicator pre-sales are especially compared to others.

  46. smallie

    Maybe, but Adam had a ton of national publicity leading up to his album release, most notably the Rolling Stone cover And of course the AMA brouhaha happened just a couple of days before the CD dropped. David Cook also had more publicity — not to mention radio presence — leading into his CD release — than Lee has gotten to this point. For instance, Cookie appeared on Saturday Night Live BEFORE his album dropped.

    Lee hasn’t had any publicity on the same sort of scale as these things.

  47. Exactly…they are the only two I hear….and I still hear them on Musak and in casinos and on AC. I don’t think I even remember any of the other coronation songs so they must not have been impressive in any way.

    I actually hear Fantasia’s all the time in my supermarket. I suspect she’s used in a very market-specific way, though.

  48. It appears to me that RCA is focusing on Lee’s album sales rather than the single. They seem to be going for an instant buzz to drive album sales especially during the week his album drops. After that I have only seen like two jingle balls that he is scheduled plus the Dolphins tailgate gig. Not much else on the calendar to sustain sales.

    This is such a bad idea, IMO, for Lee. He’s not like previously signed RCA Idols. He needs radio presence with the total lack of buzz surrounding him. He has no radio presence in the big markets (NY, LA, even Chicago HAC/Pop) with a week to go before his album drop date. Just does not bode well for Lee.

  49. POP (below #50)

    116 122 KRIS ALLEN Heartless 34 33 1 0.282
    152 129 KRIS ALLEN Alright With Me 28 20 8 0.076
    142 141 DAVID ARCHULETA Something ‘Bout Love 25 24 1 0.087

  50. We may just have to deal with the real possibiity that Sony has no interest in promoting Lee or Crystal. S9 has been ridiculed by fans and critics alike. The buzz for the season has been non-existent. RCA waited too long to release SS for it to impact on radio and help Lee’s sales. Crystal seems to have more Twitter fights with Jive than marketing meetings.

    While I think Lee might be a minor success due to being the Idol champ, it looks like Sony has put forth little or no effort for him or Crystal. S9 has been forgotten by them. They have no more ties to Idol. They simply don’t care anymore. Lee and Crystal have been caught between a rock and a hard place.

  51. I am sure that RCA is not expecting lee to have huge first week cd sales And I suspect that they don’t think that those sales would change much based upon the success of the lead single. Seems like they are just trying to establish him on radio with a solid hac hit. If it does well then they can try to cross it over to pop. I have no doubt that RCA and 19 will get lee at least a medium size hac hit.

  52. HDD (with 54% in)

    LW TW artist / album label power index
    1 1 TAYLOR SWIFT: SPEAK NOW – BIG MACHINE 193,515
    — 17 TAYLOR SWIFT: HOLIDAY COLLECTION – BIG MACHINE 13,147
    — 30 CARRIE UNDERWOOD: PLAY ON – 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 7,516
    42 37 FANTASIA: BACK TO ME – J RECORDS/RMG 6,049
    7 48 GLEE CAST: ROCKY HORROR GLEE SHOW – COLUMBIA 4,294

    I am happy to see Fantasia’s album continuing to do well. Should hit 300K very soon.

  53. Jason Aldean was predicted for 195-205k. He’s already at 171k. Most of his sales probably came from Walmart in the 1st update but he’s probably going to top HDD’s prediction too.

  54. While I think Lee might be a minor success due to being the Idol champ, it looks like Sony has put forth little or no effort for him or Crystal. S9 has been forgotten by them. They have no more ties to Idol. They simply don’t care anymore. Lee and Crystal have been caught between a rock and a hard place.

    Yeah, you make a good point about this being the weird, transition year for AI’s relationship with the record company. IA that Crystal and Lee could very well be lost in the shuffle when you factor in little buzz or interest, on top of a transition from one record company to another as far as the idol relationship goes.

  55. Lee’s SS has a manual add today. That’s two so far, 1 HAC & 1 AC. Still a lot of time left for the late comers.

    KOSO-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Modesto, CA

    ETA. I guess we know why he got that manual add
    Lee DeWyze will perform at B92’s Acoustic Christmas on 12/2 in Modesto, CA

    Still nothing for Kris.

  56. With the AC adds, Lee’s gonna run into trouble in a couple weeks when the stations switch over to Holiday music.

    Still don’t get what RCA is doing. They must be concentrating on the album, because SS is his lead-off single and the label doesn’t have any big markets in their pocket.

  57. It’s possible that Sony is trying in the background. They made a single change at the 11th hour, possibly based on feedback. 19 scheduled the usual promo. Maybe radio just isn’t interested. RCA might be saving the big payola adds for album drop, although that doesn’t make any sense to me.

  58. I know a lot of people disagree, but I still think radio is done with Idol. The morning DJ’s on WTMX had an interesting discussion several months ago—basically saying that AI is dead (discussing how the show hasn’t produced a star since Daughtry; Lee wasn’t even mentioned) I know Adam has done well, but the label has had to really work, and WWFM is about as mainstream and radio-friendly as you can get.

    Ugh!! Best Buy just e-mailed me that Susan Boyle’s new CD would be available on Tuesday. With free shipping, even. Thanks Best Buy :(

  59. Lee needs to get some bigger Hot AC stations to add it so he can get a real bump in the Audience Impression. So far only 3 Top 50 Hot AC markets have added it (Denver, Sacramento, San Jose), and only 1 of those 3 spun it more than 9 times last week. Most of its spins are coming from Sirius FM and from the Hot AC station in Worcester, MA (#114 market)

    Getting any adds is good, of course, but to make a real impression on the radio he will need to get bigger markets on board

  60. Susan Boyle is also on sale at Target for 7.99. I find nothing wrong with these special deals. Its not like she hasn’t made her people a crapload of money so they can afford it.

  61. Susan Boyle is also on sale at Target for 7.99. I find nothing wrong with these special deals. Its not like she hasn’t made her people a crapload of money so they can afford it.

    Yep, and it couldn’t have cost them much to make the album either.

    Lee’s up to 5 adds that aren’t auto so far

  62. Subo had a full page ad in the Sunday nytimes arts & entertainment section. She gets unbelievable promo

  63. DEWYZE, LEE
    Sweet Serendipity – 8 ADDS

    * Hot AC Pub 16 Hot AC >Dial Global 19/RMG Dial Global 0
    KCDA-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Spokane 19/RMG Clear Channel Communications 91
    * KJMY-FM Pub 13 Hot AC Salt Lake City 19/RMG Clear Channel Communications 30
    KOSO-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Modesto, CA 19/RMG Clear Channel Communications 111
    * KRSK-FM Pub 12 Hot AC Portland, OR 19/RMG Entercom 23
    WCDA-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Lexington, KY 19/RMG L. M. Communications 103
    * WCFS-FM Pub 9 AC Chicago 19/RMG CBS Radio 3
    WLTJ-FM Pub 0 Hot AC Pittsburgh 19/RMG Steel City Media 25

  64. Adds Today

    8 LEE DEWYZE Sweet Serendipity
    6 DAUGHTRY September
    3 SANTANA Photograph f/Chris Daughtry
    2 JASON CASTRO You Are
    1 ADAM LAMBERT Sleepwalker
    1 JIM BRICKMAN Thank You

  65. Hmm, Fresh 105.9 WCFS(“More Music Better Variety” is there motto), is part of CBS Digital Music Chicago, which owns 93xrt, B96, and Jack FM (“WE play anything” is there motto)..I can see why Lee fits the Fresh format, they play allot of Dave Matthews, Bon Jovi, 3 Doors Down, Train, Nickelback, Daughtry, Kelly Clarkson, Taio Cruz, Lifehouse, Leona Lewis, Matchbox Twenty, Black Eyed Peas-its varied. I think there allot of peeps that listen to this station, that would also listen to Lee, and yes it is considered AC. The only thing I dont like is the number of commercials on this station, annoying. It would be nice if 93 XRT would play some of Lee’s album, its such a good station.

  66. SS got seven monitored HAC adds today of which three were auto adds. So basically four new stations will be officially spinning the song. Of those four, Pittsburg is the only one that will be much of a boost to the song’s audience impression numbers. So not a good week IMO. Hopefully RCA’s promo team will be working the song more aggressively when the album rolls out.

  67. XRT is not gonna touch Lee’s stuff (or that of anyone off Idol). There would probably be a listener revolt if they did. I love the station, but they are a little “snobby” (in the typical, alternative station way)

  68. I know a lot of people disagree, but I still think radio is done with Idol. The morning DJ’s on WTMX had an interesting discussion several months ago—basically saying that AI is dead

    Radio is done with just playing someone’s song just because they came from AI, but that’s okay, since those novelty spins didn’t last for long anyway, and songs, as well as the artists, had to eventually prove themselves, and connect with people outside of the bubble.

    The AI alums are being treated like what they are, new artists. LLWD was treated like a new song that’s from a new artist, but it eventually caught on with people because they like it, and because it is a good song. It’s a shame that Jive/19 didn’t capitalize off of this, because in the long run it could have lead to more stability than just having a song that sold well based on Kris being a reality show contestant.

    SS got seven monitored HAC adds today of which three were auto adds. So basically four new stations will be officially spinning the song. Of those four, Pittsburg is the only one that will be much of a boost to the song’s audience impression numbers. So not a good week IMO. Hopefully RCA’s promo team will be working the song more aggressively when the album rolls out.

    Most of the larger stations, especially those owned by Clear Channel, aren’t going to touch the song until it breaks into the top 20. It’s a hard situation, the higher the song rises up the chart, the more PDs will notice it. Unless RCA makes a deal with a top market station, they aren’t going to play the song until it reaches certain milestones like top 40, 20 and so on.

  69. There is nothing to say other stations won’t start spinning SS just like stations such as Salt Lake did the previous week. I don’t see consistent adds as a bad sign as well as the 100+ spincreases. Charting in the top 40 will be a significant milestone and other stations will notice that. No SS isn’t blowing up like the newest Katy Perry song but again being in top 10 for HAC adds, being the Hot Pick song on All Access, movement on the charts, ect shouldn’t be discounted either.

  70. I am sure that RCA is not expecting lee to have huge first week cd sales And I suspect that they don’t think that those sales would change much based upon the success of the lead single. Seems like they are just trying to establish him on radio with a solid hac hit.

    I think this should be the mindset that the labels have with anyone who comes off of the show. The first and main goal should be to establish who they are as artists, and within their genre, since they are new artists. Bruno Mars and Jay Sean both sold under 60K their first week, but I doubt that anyone would call them failures, or say that that means that their labels shouldn’t continue to support them. Both are new artists, and like the idols, it is going to take time for them to get established, and for people to give them a chance based on their music.

  71. A lot of the bigger stations don’t add new songs until they hit Top 20 in whatever format. Lee is at #46 and may not be in the Top 40 by the time his album drops. So he may have to hope he can get enough spins from these smaller stations to slowly move up to th Top 20 and thus get the attention of the biggest market stations. This may take awhile.

    As for AWM, don’ even get me started with Jive’s seemingly stubborn refusal to promote this. If they are doing anything to try and help the song, it is WAY behind the scenes.

  72. I think this should be the mindset that the labels have with anyone who comes off of the show. The first and main goal should be to establish who they are as artists, and within their genre, since they are new artists. Bruno Mars and Jay Sean both sold under 60K their first week, but I doubt that anyone would call them failures, or say that that means that their labels shouldn’t continue to support them. Both are new artists, and like the idols, it is going to take time for them to get established, and for people to give them a chance based on their music.

    Yes to all of this.

  73. As for AWM, don’ even get me started with Jive’s seemingly stubborn refusal to promote this. If they are doing anything to try and help the song, it is WAY behind the scenes.

    Usually anything that has to do with radio promo happens behind the scenes. I can’t get too upset with Jive about AWM, because it was always going to be a struggle to get airplay for the song, even though it is a good song, and Kris hasn’t been bringing in a lot of money for Jive since the first three months of the year.

    I do fault Jive for creating this situation by releasing The Truth, which was not a song that was going to help establish Kris as an artist, or bring him a lot of attention, and for not dropping The Truth when it was beyond obvious that PDs weren’t going to support the song. i also blame 19 for not promoting Kris when LLWD was at its peak.

  74. I believe this with all my heart, and I said the same thing about LLWD, It is a good song, give it time. Once it is officially released to radio, I believe it will take off. So far, from my understanding, it has only been sent to radio, but not on the add list yet. Adds like Carrie’s, way before the release date, do not happen often. Just my thoughts, give it time. I will state for the record, that I have no understanding of the dynamics of how these things work business wise, only what I see.

  75. Lee’s promo is just starting this week. And there is a LOT of it. His single was released to radio two weeks ago. Two weeks ago. So far Sony has done everything right. I’m not buying into the doom and gloom because as far as I’m concerned, there’s absolutely no reason to do so.

  76. dlynne, I agree. If his numbers are still low in April, then I’ll start thinking about getting the kleenex.

  77. Danny said in an interview he gave for CMA week that his Christmas single is coming out on November 22. That’s on a Monday, a day that country songs usually goes for adds.

    I wonder if his song will just be released straight to radio or if might also go for adds on November 22. I wonder how common it is for a Christmas single to go for adds?

  78. I think this should be the mindset that the labels have with anyone who comes off of the show. The first and main goal should be to establish who they are as artists, and within their genre, since they are new artists. Bruno Mars and Jay Sean both sold under 60K their first week, but I doubt that anyone would call them failures, or say that that means that their labels shouldn’t continue to support them. Both are new artists, and like the idols, it is going to take time for them to get established, and for people to give them a chance based on their music.

    Both Jay Sean and Bruno Mars have had number 1 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 and have sold millions in single sales. Not bad, huh? Has Lee done that?

    Lee’s promo is just starting this week. And there is a LOT of it. His single was released to radio two weeks ago. Two weeks ago. So far Sony has done everything right. I’m not buying into the doom and gloom because as far as I’m concerned, there’s absolutely no reason to do so.

    So releasing the single to one format just a couple weeks before the album drops is doing everything right?

    BB is doing amazing

    Who is BB?

  79. XRT is not gonna touch Lee’s stuff (or that of anyone off Idol). There would probably be a listener revolt if they did. I love the station, but they are a little “snobby” (in the typical, alternative station way)

    I found this very amusing as WXRT has played Lee’s pre-Idol stuff on the few times a year they feature Local Chicago artists.

    Lee’s promo is just starting this week. And there is a LOT of it. His single was released to radio two weeks ago. Two weeks ago. So far Sony has done everything right. I’m not buying into the doom and gloom because as far as I’m concerned, there’s absolutely no reason to do so.

    Your statement is pretty much the reason for all the doom and gloom. One week before the album drop and his promo is just starting? By this time last year Kris had made a number of in studio visits with radio stations across the country. His single was out for over a month and was getting over 1600 weekly spins split evenly between Top 40 and HAC. What has RCA been doing the past month? Much less than Jive did for Kris last year at this time.

  80. So releasing the single to one format just a couple weeks before the album drops is doing everything right?

    By the time the album drops, it will be almost four weeks. And, no, I don’t have a problem with that. People have a short attention span so the album dropping within a few weeks of the first single makes perfect sense to me.

  81. BB (probably) = Adam

    That’s what I was thinking, but his numbers don’t look “amazing” to me at the moment so I was a little confused.

    By the time the album drops, it will be almost four weeks. And, no, I don’t have a problem with that. People have a short attention span so the album dropping within a few weeks of the first single makes perfect sense to me.

    That’s not how it works. As a new artist like Lee you want to have as much exposure as you possibly can. Releasing the single this late so that it barely has 1 million AI right before the album drops is not doing everything right.

  82. Both Jay Sean and Bruno Mars have had number 1 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 and have sold millions in single sales. Not bad, huh? Has Lee done that?

    They didn’t do that in just three or four weeks, which is how long Sweet Serendipity has been out. I looked it up a while back, and it took at least three months before “Down” finally took off. The point is that based on those millions of downloads, people might have expected them to sell more of their albums, but it takes more than just one single for new artists to make an impression.

    There’s a “new” song by a kid who calls his act the Ready Set that went for adds all the way back on May 25th, the song is currently 19th on itunes and 15th on the pop charts. It didn’t break into the top 20 until October 20th, Top 40 on August 21st, which was just four days short of the three month anniversary of the song going for adds.

  83. By the time the album drops, it will be almost four weeks. And, no, I don’t have a problem with that. People have a short attention span so the album dropping within a few weeks of the first single makes perfect sense to me.

    Four weeks isn’t enough time for a song to saturate the market. The only people who are going to be getting a lot of airplay after four weeks are established and incredibly popular acts like Gaga or Katy Perry, and even their songs wouldn’t be spun enough in four weeks to have a major impact on people going out to buy the album.

  84. That’s what I was thinking, but his numbers don’t look “amazing” to me at the moment so I was a little confused.

    LOL. Lee will be lucky to even come close to one quarter of Lambert’s “amazing” numbers. IMO of course.

  85. They didn’t do that in just three or four weeks, which is how long Sweet Serendipity has been out. I looked it up a while back, and it took at least three months before “Down” finally took off. The point is that based on those millions of downloads, people might have expected them to sell more of their albums, but it takes more than just one single for new artists to make an impression.

    They still did it before their albums came out. ;) So their labels made some nice change off the single even if their album sales were underwhelming. That’s where I don’t see the comparison. What does Lee have to fall back on if the album sells poorly? The song hasn’t been released to CHR and being a medium-sized HAC hit isn’t going to earn the label that much money. You said in your original post that people wouldn’t call Bruno and Jay failures; you might have a point there, but it is because they have something (a number 1 smash) that Lee does not (and probably never will) have.

  86. They still did it before their albums came out. So their labels made some nice change off the single even if their album sales were underwhelming. That’s where I don’t see the comparison. What does Lee have to fall back on if the album sells poorly? The song hasn’t been released to CHR and being a medium-sized HAC hit isn’t going to earn the label that much money. You said in your original post that people wouldn’t call Bruno and Jay failures; you might have a point there, but it is because they have something that Lee doesn’t and probably never will have.

    I’m sorry, but I don’t have a crystal ball that tells me that SS won’t sell a million or more copies. Calling that song a failure after just being out for three or four weeks sounds like information that’s from the same crystal ball that predicted LLWD was a failure after just four days.

    That’s where I don’t see the comparison.

    The comparison is that the fate of Lee’s career isn’t going to be decided based on what his single does over the course of four weeks.

  87. I’m sorry, but I don’t have a crystal ball that tells me that SS won’t sell a million or more copies. Calling that song a failure after just being out for three or four weeks sounds like information that’s from the same crystal ball that predicted LLWD was a failure after just four days.

    I never called the song a failure. LOL As I said, I think it will be a medium-sized HAC hit. That, however, won’t be enough to have SS sell a million copies.

    The comparison is that the fate of Lee’s career isn’t going to be decided based on what his single does over the course of four weeks.

    It isn’t, though it can be a harbinger of things to come.

  88. I’m aware XRT played a little pre-Idol Lee. Post-Idol Lee they aren’t going to touch.

    Luckily for Lee, this isn’t a station anyone was counting on to support the single. WTMX is the one to be concerned with—and they will, eventually, play SS.

  89. That’s not how it works. As a new artist like Lee you want to have as much exposure as you possibly can. Releasing the single this late so that it barely has 1 million AI right before the album drops is not doing everything right.

    I don’t agree with you. RCA may have waited a couple of weeks longer than they have with other Idol winners but a couple of extra weeks would not make that much difference. If what you say is true, then none of the labels have done it right.

    This industry is not the same industry it was even a year ago. I don’t believe anyone, including record execs, can predict what a record will or will not do, or what works or doesn’t. Anyone who says they can must have a crystal ball.

  90. I don’t agree with you. RCA may have waited a couple of weeks longer than they have with other Idol winners but a couple of extra weeks would not make that much difference. If what you say is true, then none of the labels have done it right.

    This industry is not the same industry it was even a year ago. I don’t believe anyone, including record execs, can predict what a record will or will not do, or what works or doesn’t. Anyone who says they can must have a crystal ball.

    You’re right. I’ve changed my mind. Lee’s label has done everything perfectly. Can’t wait for a week after his album comes out so I can see how amazing of a job they did. Woo hoo!

  91. You’re right. I’ve changed my mind. Lee’s label has done everything perfectly. Can’t wait for a week after his album comes out so I can see how amazing of a job they did. Woo hoo!

    I think the argument is that the extra month wouldn’t have made that much of a difference in album sales. Would it have helped to get the single out earlier? Sure. What was RCA waiting for? I have no idea. Maybe to get the tracks picked out so they went with the best debut single. KA had a more spins with LLWD when his album dropped, for sure, but didn’t it end up peaking early the next year? I thought mmb made a good point up the page.

    I am sure that RCA is not expecting lee to have huge first week cd sales And I suspect that they don’t think that those sales would change much based upon the success of the lead single. Seems like they are just trying to establish him on radio with a solid hac hit. If it does well then they can try to cross it over to pop. I have no doubt that RCA and 19 will get lee at least a medium size hac hit.

    Ironically, though, right before I posted this reply, I posted in another thread that I was confused why RCA waited so long to drop the single. Since the original debut single was LIU, and one of the first songs Lee brought to the table was LIU, it kind of makes you wonder. Ah well.

  92. I think that AWM deserves to get promo and I hope that Jive will really push the song for radio soon. I think that it will be a hit if the label will be behind the song. It is catchy and fun and I think it will take off. It’s been just a month since the song was released to radio and it hasn’t even gone for adds date(and an adds date is necessary)- it still has time.

  93. Ironically, though, right before I posted this reply, I posted in another thread that I was confused why RCA waited so long to drop the single. Since the original debut single was LIU, and one of the first songs Lee brought to the table was LIU, it kind of makes you wonder. Ah well.

    RCA doesn’t have a history of releasing idol’s singles well in advance of the album dropping, but in their defense, it’s not like they have a lot of time to make a decision. and even if LIU was given to them early, I would hope that it didn’t take long for someone at RCA to realize that that song is not a good first single for a new artist.

  94. HotHotHot:
    11/08/2010 at 7:36 pm
    Adds Today

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    6 DAUGHTRY September
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    2 JASON CASTRO You Are
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    Also wanted to note that Fourplay’s version of ‘Love TKO’ f/ Ruben Studdard got two Smooth AC adds yesterday.

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