Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Mar 15-21

A duo of Idols hit a duo of milestones this week. Adam’s WWFM went top 15 on HAC and top 30 on AC. That means it’s top 30 in three formats. It’s sitting in the 14th position on HAC and Pop which doesn’t happen very often (same position on two charts). The original recipe Idol, Kelly had her new single go top 30 on HAC and top 50 on Pop.

Daughtry went top 20 on AC with “Life After You”. Meanwhile, Kris’s LLWD has been hopping in and out of the CAC chart, but I believe this is the first time it’s hit top 40. LLWD is eligible to go recurrent on the Pop chart this week once it falls below 20.

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Kellie’s song went recurrent on country, but she has a new single out soon.

Here are your Monday Morning Mediabase Updates for airplay as of 9:30 pm of 03/21/10 after the jump.

Adam Lambert:
“Whataya Want From Me”: ^14 HAC (16), ^14 Pop (14), ^27 AC (35)

Carrie Underwood:
“Cowboy Casanova” : 31 HAC (26)
“Temporary Home” : ^3 Country (3)

Danny Gokey:
“My Best Days are Ahead”: ^28 Country (30)

Daughtry:
“Life After You”: ^6 HAC (6), ^20 AC (22), ^22 pop (21)

Katharine McPhee:
“Had it All” : ^23 AC (27)

Kelly Clarkson:
“All I Ever Wanted”: ^26 HAC (35), ^41 Pop (55)
“Already Gone”: ^4 AC (4)

Kris Allen:
“Live Like We Are Dying”: ^5 HAC (5), 11 Pop (10), ^17 AC (18), ^39 CAC (50)

Phil Stacey:
“Some Kind of Love”: ^46 CAC (48)

Ruben Studdard:
“Don’t Make ‘Em Like…”: ^16 UAC (15)

Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous week. The “^” (aka “a bullet”) indicates that a song gained spins since last week

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  1. POP:
    14 14 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 5189 4963 226 29.212
    +68 Spins
    +72 Bullet
    +0.448 AI

    HAC:
    16 14 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1959 1719 240 10.627
    +64 Spins
    +60 Bullet
    +0.174 AI

    POP:
    10 11 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dying 5725 5800 -75 30.335

    HAC:
    5 5 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We’re Dyin… 3712 3575 137

    POP:
    55 40 KELLY CLARKSON All I Ever Wanted 750 315 435 2.027

    +48 Spins
    +1 Bullet
    +0.131 Audience

    HAC:
    31 24 KELLY CLARKSON All I Ever Wanted 701 353 348

    POP:
    95 97 ALLISON IRAHETA Scars 46 47 -1 0.058

    Country:
    30 28 DANNY GOKEY My Best Days Are Ahe… 1026 936 90

  2. Danny’s MBD has picked up 4 country adds so far.

    LLWD peaked at 10 on CHR which is a record for a male Idol winner but not for a male from the show. Both Daughtry and Elliott Yamin broke the Top 5 in that format.

    Females winners have done better obviously with Kelly, Carrie and Jordin all having # 1 hits on CHR.

    Jive needs a new Kris Allen single out pronto to keep album support alive.

  3. oh good I was kinda freaking out with the numbers we were seeing all week. nice jump on AC for Adam :)
    And Kris nice just on CAC
    Go guys!

  4. Also, WWFM entered top5 on the Canada top40 official chart (WWFM is #4). Still #1 on Canada HAC.

    So far WWFM has 3 HAC adds today…

  5. I like getting numbers from everywhere so updates from Canada, Japan, etc are interesting to me. Maybe not iTunes updates from New Zealand though. For all we know, that could mean 50 downloads.

    It’s just weird because in the past there really wasn’t much attention paid to how Idols did overseas. The bottom line for Idol was usually how they did in the U.S. I guess with the meh results so far for S8, international is the way to go. :)

    Poor Jordin. She did well internationally but most folks at the time weren’t that interested. I talking inside baseball of course. Most folks are barely conscious of how artists are doing and just assume if they get played alot on the local station they’re a big success.

  6. Well, I guess “meh results” is a subjective assessment. It looks like both Kris and Adam are doing pretty great so far.

    And, I assume there is interest in the international numbers since Adam is being actively promoted internationally. Makes sense to me.

  7. Danny’s MBD has picked up 4 country adds so far.

    Seven altogether, including one non-monitored, and two others in Canada. This is the first week I remember seeing Danny get adds in Canada though I’ve read some scattered reports on twitter that he gets played up there at least occasionally.

  8. It’s just weird because in the past there really wasn’t much attention paid to how Idols did overseas. The bottom line for Idol was usually how they did in the U.S. I guess with the meh results so far for S8, international is the way to go.

    Poor Jordin. She did well internationally but most folks at the time weren’t that interested.

    I don’t think that the interest in international chart positions/sales is necessarily due to the “meh” results for Season 8 (i disagree with the meh), but has more to do with the explosion in social media and internet usage etc. over the past few years…the world is a much smaller place and it is easier to get information on a real time basis from abroad…and with twitter, you can be hearing things and watching videos from abroad almost immediately. If someone had told me 5 years ago how easy it would be to follow an artists promotional tour from half way around the world, including watching/hearing all tv and radio appearances I would have thought they were nuts. Most major label record companies (indeed most major anything companies) think globally these days. Im sure that if Jordin was the AI last year instead of 3 years ago people would be a lot more interested in her international performance today.

  9. Well, jpfan, we’re seeing an effect all over Europe of the Sony promo. They are pushing WWFM to radio everywhere and WWFM is starting to show up on itunes. Again, that may not mean much in downloads but he is up there with Kesha, Derulo, Rihanna and Gaga (other international artists).

    For example, WWFM was released to radio in Sweden last week and is now already #15 on itunes. It also showed up on Spotify top100 for the first time today (#95). Adam is/was unknown here before, we’re not an AI friendly country like Finland and Denmark.

    The only country where I am not seeing an effect on itunes (where I know there is airplay) is Germany.

  10. Album sales for S8 have been decidely meh. On the other hand, the singles are doing well. In Kris’ case, the biggest hit for a male Idol winner. It’s done much better than Cook’s singles and yet album sales are way below S7. Album sales for Adam in the US look like they’re losing steam even as WWFM does well on the charts.

    No insult to anyone monitoring iTunes but it’s really hard to know what that means in actual sales. It can be a very insignificant number for some countries

    Does anyone have actual sales numbers for FYE the album in Japan? I think they usually come out by now? I guess those belong in the sales thread though. I’m sure someone will post them by Wednesday.

  11. It’s not weird, their music is just better suited for the current market than most previous idols. But achieving a platinum single is really an accomplishment, it’s not very common.

  12. No insult to anyone monitoring iTunes but it’s really hard to know what that means in actual sales. It can be a very insignificant number for some countries

    For album sales, itunes is totally useless but this is singles. I am not saying there are lots of downloads but it’s definetely an indication of what is selling and if the public is aware of you or not.

    For example, when FYE was released on itunes (November) it charted on itunes Sweden and Finland, but that could have been maybe like 500 downloads. But the singles never showed up, not a hint of them anywhere in Europe.

    And for scandinavia Spotify is a good indicator of public awareness.

  13. It’s weird for someone from Idol to have a big radio hit and still struggle mightly to sell albums. It’s common for new pop artists though. I think S8 will be a watershed and set the pattern for S9. Those huge Idol fanbases that bought the album are gone. And even a hit song on the radio doesn’t generate the big album sales like it used to.
    At least it’s not doing it for S8 albums so far.

  14. Album sales for S8 have been decidely meh. On the other hand, the singles are doing well. In Kris’ case, the biggest hit for a male Idol winner.It’s done much better than Cook’s singles and yet his album sales are way below S7. Album sales for Adam in the US look like they’re losing steam even as the WWFM does well on the charts.

    Weird.

    Sure, album sales for Kris have been very meah, less than half he sales of Jordin, Archie and Adam, and a quarter of the previous winner’s sales.
    The downloads are better but by this time last year, Cook has sold as many album as Kris had sold singles, and albums include the single, he had sold more copies (as single or album track) of the song.

  15. yup, gold is the new platinum for an album!:) you can tell by looking at alot of pop albums this year and last year- they arent selling like they used to-im sure rca is ecstatic that adam has sold 560K so far

  16. It’s weird for someone from Idol to have a big radio hit and still struggle mightly to sell albums. It’s common for new pop artists though. I think S8 will be a watershed and set the pattern for S9. Those huge Idol fanbases that bought the album are gone. And even a hit song on the radio doesn’t generate the big album sales like it used to.

    I don’t think that it is useful anymore to compare “idol” to “idol”. AI is an old show, in its 9th season, with declining ratings and an aging viewership. There are almost 100 former top 12 finalists out there shelling their music to the public. The days of strong album sales being an absolutely expected byproduct of being an idol winner or runner up are over. I have no doubt that the S9 sales will be even worse. That being said, both Kris and Adam are doing pretty darn well as compared to non-idol debut artists.

  17. I think we’ll see better album sales after the 2nd/3rd single, given that they do well on radio.

  18. Seems to me that three of the AI8 signed finalists at least have some good early successes, though for any of them they are just starting out. Adam’s album has had relatively strong sales for a newcomer in this market, and he’s finding his way more with the singles. Kris’s single has gone platinum, and he’s had modest success with the album; will be interested how his second single does, and whether it brings up interest in the album more if it is well-received on radio again. And Danny is doing very well by country standards. He’ll probably hit 100,000 or more albums sold this month, and his single is still steadily moving up the country radio charts. By country standards, that’s a very good result these days.

    I wish I could think of something positive to say of Allison’s results, but I’m struggling there :( She is very young though, and I’ve always hoped that Jive was looking at her as a longer-term project so she can mature into the types of harder-edged songs she seems to love doing. I’ve seen some people suggesting also that perhaps Allison would be good to front a band vs. being a solo artist. I could see that, actually. I hope they will get her out doing at least some type of touring this summer, even if it’s club dates to build her audience up and gain more experience as a performer outside the AI bubble.

  19. I think we’ll see better album sales after the 2nd/3rd single, given that they do well on radio.

    Well, I guess it depends upon your definition of “better”. Yeah yeah, I know that on occasion albums blow up 6 mo-1 yr later like Lady Gaga, but I just don’t see that happening here. Both Adam and Kris will get bumps when they appear on AI, they will get bumps if they perform on high profile award or TV shows, but i don’t think either one of them are going to start selling 40-50K per week again regardless of their single sales. The new singles and touring may give the albums more longevity and allow Adam to keep selling between 7-10K per week for a while and Kris to sell 3-5K per week eventually allowing Adam to go platinum and Kris to go gold. Look at Kelly and Chris — the subsequent singles off their albums have given the albums a longer life, but its not like it lifted them back into the BB top 10 or 20. I would love to be wrong and see the albums blow up. I do think, however, that there is absolutely no question that both Kris and Adam will be making second albums for Jive and RCA, respectively, and that their performance has been quite good for debut artists.

  20. I think we’ll see better album sales after the 2nd/3rd single, given that they do well on radio.

    Yeah, I think so too. If both their follow up singles do well, album sales will pick up again.

    It’s weird for someone from Idol to have a big radio hit and still struggle mightly to sell albums. It’s common for new pop artists though. I think S8 will be a watershed and set the pattern for S9. Those huge Idol fanbases that bought the album are gone. And even a hit song on the radio doesn’t generate the big album sales like it used to.
    At least it’s not doing it for S8 albums so far.

    I think its impossible to tell if this is a temporary blip or a new pattern until after season 9.

    Well, I guess it depends upon your definition of “better”.

    Not continuously dropping down, or at least slowing the rate of the slide, would be “better”.

  21. We’ve all known for months now that Adam and Kris both left Idol without the huge fanbases the Davids had. Now they are both trying to sell outside their fanbases and are working very hard. I wish them both much success.

    I’m very interested to hear Cook’s sophomore effort.

  22. If it’s been posted…sorry in advance, I missed it. BUT

    does anyone know if the current idol singles have been played on the radio at all? wasn’t that info posted last year?

  23. It’s hard to know exactly what to compare the S8 people to. Because the music industry has seen a downturn in sales overall, and because Idol itself has lost viewers over the past few seasons, it’s not entirely fair to compare them to past contestants. On the other hand, because they have gotten a lot more publicity than most other new artists, it’s not entirely fair to compare their sales to other people putting out debut records. And, because the type of music they are putting out is so different, it’s not even entirely fair to compare the S8 Idols to each other. Focusing on the positive, I think Kris, Adam and Danny have all shown that they have the ability to connect to an audience, appeal to enough people that they can sustain a career for several years — even if they never become huge stars. The jury is still out on Allison.

    As for the S9 people, I think it’s likely none of them will become huge stars, and that their sales will probably fall somewhere in line with what has occurred with the S8 group. But there are probably a few of them who will end up being able to make a living as a musician — which, in the end, has always been the main goal of most of the people who have been on Idol.

  24. Adda so far this morning:

    AIEW – 13 (7 US adds- 6 Hot AC, 1 Top 40; 6 Canadian adds- 4 Hot AC, 2 Top 40)
    MBD – 8 (includes 2 Canadian adds)
    WWFM – 3 (2 Hot AC, 1 AC)
    LLWD – 2 (1 Hot AC, 1 AC)

  25. saga, or anyone else in the know, what is the link to see who has already reported today?

  26. My computer is being a pain…

    I left out Allison — Scars has gotten 1 Top 40 add today

  27. First – yea for WWFM putting up strong numbers! Happy for that :-) And growth in AC is cool too!

    Second, boo about Scars for Allison, but then again I will say a million times over that was a TERRIBLE decision for a single from her – WTF, what were they thinking?!?!? Sorry, end of rant :-( Hope she gets to open for some other acts later in the year, because that would be great exposure for her.

    Well, I guess it depends upon your definition of “better”. Yeah yeah, I know that on occasion albums blow up 6 mo-1 yr later like Lady Gaga, but I just don’t see that happening here. Both Adam and Kris will get bumps when they appear on AI, they will get bumps if they perform on high profile award or TV shows, but i don’t think either one of them are going to start selling 40-50K per week again regardless of their single sales.

    IDK about that – a lot of it has to do with subsequent singles, and, as new artists, getting the music out there. So the first single is more likely to be consumed as a single alone (for both LLWD and WWFM), and subsequent singles, if they do well on radio, should help boost the album as well. Granted, how BIG the singles are on radio will also impact how much the album gets a boost. And only time will tell about that.

    And as for AI fanbases – I definitely agree it’s shifting. I think with S8, Adam had a big fanbase (particularly considering how polarizing he is in general), though not as big as the much more safe, middle of the road Davids of S7.

    Now, as S9 begins, I really see moods about the show shifting, people just don’t care as much about ANY of these guys. Sure, they’re fun for the entertainment value, and I get a kick out of watching the show each week and cheering and jeering with everyone else, but I sorta see the fanbase prob of S8 drifting into S9, with people just not carrying as much about the contestants in general, even if they love the show.

    Case in point (though I know it’s not the most perfect example) – the statistic about how much less website traffic there is for contestants this year than last – there’s just less buzz and interest, and that buzz will certainly improve as the season wears on, but I see it fading faster once the season is over and people just move on from the show.

  28. Case in point (though I know it’s not the most perfect example) – the statistic about how much less website traffic there is for contestants this year than last – there’s just less buzz and interest, and that buzz will certainly improve as the season wears on, but I see it fading faster once the season is over and people just move on from the show.

    I don’t agree, because that assumes that the buzz was positive. I think a lot of the buzz around last season was very negative, especially around Danny and Adam. You would think all that website traffic would have made for monster sales for both, but I think sales speak for themselves. Both had a good amount of fans, but also both were being googled because of their respective scandals (kissing gate and charity gate). I don’t see this kind of very negative buzz around anyone from season 9, and I think most viewers have goodwill towards someone like Crystal, and I could see her having big sales because of it. The best sales don’t come from those who are most controversial, otherwise Constantine would have outsold Carrie by bucketloads.

  29. Well, there are a couple of reasons I would wait before declaring Idol fanbase sales dead…

    1. It was not a given in every season of idol that both the runner up and the winner sold well.

    2. Adam’s sales could have been effected by everything that happened after the season was over… up to an including the AMAs. It is possible that turned off some of the Idol fans.

    3. A Danny/Adam pairing might have yielded different sales results.

    So I’m, not ready to call over on AI’s ability to generate Christmas sales yet. If anyone from this year manages to stay on the top 20 or so albums all through Christmas, I would say things are back to normal.

  30. I don’t agree, because that assumes that the buzz was positive. I think a lot of the buzz around last season was very negative, especially around Danny and Adam. You would think all that website traffic would have made for monster sales for both, but I think sales speak for themselves. Both had a good amount of fans, but also both were being googled because of their respective scandals (kissing gate and charity gate). I don’t see this kind of very negative buzz around anyone from season 9, and I think most viewers have goodwill towards someone like Crystal, and I could see her having big sales because of it. The best sales don’t come from those who are most controversial, otherwise Constantine would have outsold Carrie by bucketloads.

    You make a good point, and only time will tell, but I just mean in terms of overall interest in this group vs. previous years groups. The online searches is one of the only ways we have to gauge about how much interest there might be in these people. And to assume a lot of the searches throughout last year (not just after kissing-gate) were negative is not likely very accurate either. For instance, if I do a google search on Adam now, or, if I were to do one in the middle of S8 (say, after Mad World) I’d probably come up with more positives than negatives – photos, PR, interviews, other media. Same is probably true with Danny.

  31. Tinawina

    I would disagree with you on #3 — A Danny/Adam finale likely wouldn’t have changed anything. Danny’s album sales are pretty good, especially for someone trying to break into the country market. But the album sales are still behind what Kris had after 2 weeks (yes, I realize sales are generally lower in March than in November) — and I don’t think his single has even reached the 100K mark despite being out since early December, has it? So while he would have gotten more national publicity if he had finished Top 2, I don’t know if it would have made a big difference saleswise. Again, I could be wrong (I often am!) — maybe it would have, but I have my doubts.

  32. 2. Adam’s sales could have been effected by everything that happened after the season was over… up to an including the AMAs. It is possible that turned off some of the Idol fans.

    I’m really more inclined to think that his fanbase just wasn’t necessarily that huge compared to the top people of year’s past. Lets face it, Adam was one of the most polarizing (if not, THE most polarizing) contestants ever to be on the show. AI skews very conservative in general. He went far on the show, so obviously he had the support, but I think he inspired more extremely LOYAL fans, but not necessarily the MOST fans, when comparing to the likes of the Davids or Carrie, for instance, in the past.

    So post-AMAs even, I don’t think many of those AI fans bailed (many I talked to personally hated the AMAs but still love him) – I just think he didn’t have as many to begin with as in years past.

    I think the early singles sales, before the AMAs (when we first started predicting the size of everyone’s AI fanbases), kinda support that view as well.

  33. To sell loads of albums, you often have to be a ‘star’. A lot artists (not talking about the idol ones, they can sale albums without that) have huge personalities, their own style, charisma… it’s not just about the music (or One republic, Jason Deluro, Orianthi will be selling lots of albums in the US by now). Jordin has awesome songs and she is apart from Kelly the only one, who gets significant airplay outside US (and idol ‘friendly’ countries), but she’s not selling many albums, because nobody cares about her as an artist. People just buy what they hear on the radio and that’s it for them. That’s why they are trying to promote Adam outside US, because he makes an impact on people and it’s good for the tv show if they can ‘discover’ someone who is able to sell albums based on their music and persona, not just based on taking a part in reality tv show that is watched by huge audience.

  34. gangreen29

    The problem is that with someone like Crystal, her music isn’t really what you hear a lot on the radio. It’s more indie than mainstream. To me, she sounds alt-country a lot of the time. That isn’t the type of music that is selling boatloads of albums or singles right now, no matter how good it might be. Same thing with Siobhan — is she going to put out music that will appear to a large audience, or is it going to be alternative/indie music that would struggle to get played on the radio and appeal to a smaller (if hardcore) fanbase? Lee might have a better chance of selling more albums — I’m not his biggest fan, but he seems more mainstream — in the Nickelback/Daughtry mode, sort of — so could end up having an easier time in terms of radio play and appeal to a broader audience.

    EDIT: Also, while there may not be a lot of negative buzz about the S9 kids, there isn’t any real positive buzz either. Most people say this is the worst season ever. And less people are watching than in past seasons. So the S9 people are already at a disadvantage.

  35. girlygirl:
    03/22/2010 at 11:52 am
    gangreen29

    The problem is that with someone like Crystal, her music isn’t really what you hear a lot on the radio. It’s more indie than mainstream. To me, she sounds alt-country a lot of the time. That isn’t the type of music that is selling boatloads of albums or singles right now, no matter how good it might be. Same thing with Siobhan — is she going to put out music that will appear to a large audience, or is it going to be alternative/indie music that would struggle to get played on the radio and appeal to a smaller (if hardcore) fanbase?

    I tend to agree with this. I really like Crystal, and think she has TONS of talent, but imo her doing pop would be a bit of a sell out, and I can’t imagine her ever agreeing to that. However, if they can fashion her into a Kelly-type rocker that might conceivably work. IDK.

  36. The problem is that with someone like Crystal, her music isn’t really what you hear a lot on the radio. It’s more indie than mainstream. To me, she sounds alt-country a lot of the time. That isn’t the type of music that is selling boatloads of albums or singles right now, no matter how good it might be. Same thing with Siobhan — is she going to put out music that will appear to a large audience, or is it going to be alternative/indie music that would struggle to get played on the radio and appeal to a smaller (if hardcore) fanbase? Lee might have a better chance of selling more albums — I’m not his biggest fan, but he seems more mainstream — in the Nickelback/Daughtry mode, sort of — so could end up having an easier time in terms of radio play and appeal to a broader audience.

    girlygirl – I completely agree with you. Although I am at a loss as to what is supposed to sell these days. Nickelback/Daughtry are sort of losing their shine on the radio. They are still selling well, but I am guessing that their hay day has sort of peaked. If Idol really could create a top selling star I think it would be a girl Pop singer, one with a big voice, swagger and the IT factor. Right now I think the best they can hope for is a really good selling HAC artist. Crystal is NOT a Top 40 singer and unless she shows me something new (I hate to say it) she’ll be just a throwback to 1999 as a Lilith Fair singer. Also Siobhan really is an alt rocker (I hope she gets hooked up to a good alt band).

  37. If Dannys and Adams search results resulted in low sales we then have to look into Kris sales. Lowest debut sales of any idol winner? IMO only, could it have been the AT&T text scandal. Seems logical or what other reason would explain lowest selling debut for Kris.
    In any case seems Adam, did well considering all the scandals surrounding him. Thanks to VFTW for trying to derail his career and other fan-bases for what ever reason jumped on the Expose Adam now band-wagon….Adams 199,000 debut sales can’t be compared to
    Kris or Danny debut release. The numbers just aren’t there to logically compare for whatever reason..Adam holds the top spot for
    for season 8 debut sales.

    I wish them all luck in their musical careers. I to feel sad for Allison, Danny will be fine, country fans are loyal once UR accepted
    into the fold. Kris is doing ok and a second single may pull big #s
    for his album.

  38. Also Siobhan really is an alt rocker (I hope she gets hooked up to a good alt band).

    YES! Hadn’t thought of this before, but ITA! She needs to front a band. I don’t think she has the charisma to pull off being a singing star on her own, but fronting a band, especially with that quirky style of hers, would totally work! She almost has a Shirley Manson of Garbage vibe to her. (Though now that I think of it, that might make her too dated, idk)

  39. The problem is that with someone like Crystal, her music isn’t really what you hear a lot on the radio. It’s more indie than mainstream. To me, she sounds alt-country a lot of the time. That isn’t the type of music that is selling boatloads of albums or singles right now, no matter how good it might be.

    I could see Crystal putting out a Lady Antebellum type album, that has country and AC and a bit of blues mixed together. Of course I don’t see her appealing to the under 25 set, but I think she could do real well in the 25-40 set that was really into Hootie and the Blowfish and Sheryl Crowe and are now kind of marginalized in the music buying world. Also, while this season has negative buzz Crystal is always refrenced as the saving grace. I think it would be interesting sales wise if the contestant widely perceived as the best won, I don’t think that has happened it awhile.

  40. I don’t think Season 9 sales will be any worst than Season 8’s album sales. Maybe the way Season 8 was portrayed the Christian contestants vs. the gay contestant was a huge turn off with its stereotypes and prevented alot of fans from wanting to bond with any of the contestants and their music since it seemed like chosing sides beyond just music. Also there were barely any female contestants and for people who prefer female voices I am sure Season 8 was a disappointment. It made it so predictable that a male would win. I am sure Adam’s sales in the US were somewhat affected by his AMA performance negatively also and homophobia in general.Neither of the two Davids last year were polarizing like Danny or Adam, so it isn’t surprising that they had bigger fanbases nor was any attempt to portray either David in an overly negative manner. I think Danny will do better album sales wise than expected. I wish the radio played one of Allison’s singles more, I would think her album sales would do much better than.

  41. If Dannys and Adams search results resulted in low sales we then have to look into Kris sales. Lowest debut sales of any idol winner? IMO only, could it have been the AT&T text scandal. Seems logical or what other reason would explain lowest selling debut for Kris.

    I can’t believe that the AT&T thing is being brought back up again, especially considering it was one report and was refuted by both AI and AT&T. I think Kris was just unhyped and there was a huge backlash against him post victory that has carried forward all this time.

    I think that Kris and Adam are both off to good and different starts to their careers. With the exception of those within the AI “bubble” we inahbt, they were never going to appeal to the same audiences, and I actually think the sales we are seeing from them both reflect the differences in the types of people their music appeals to. As far as Danny goes, I don’t know enough about the Coutry music scene to comment on how he is doing with any real relevance. This of course, leaves Allison who is truly the most perplexing post-AI. I think she’s too young for her voice and the music she will do well with. I hope Jive will look at her as a long-term investment because I think in 2-3 years, when she grows into her voice and style she will be amazing.

  42. I’m really more inclined to think that his fanbase just wasn’t necessarily that huge compared to the top people of year’s past. Lets face it, Adam was one of the most polarizing (if not, THE most polarizing) contestants ever to be on the show. AI skews very conservative in general. He went far on the show, so obviously he had the support, but I think he inspired more extremely LOYAL fans, but not necessarily the MOST fans, when comparing to the likes of the Davids or Carrie, for instance, in the past.

    Is there any particular evidence that the idol audience skews conservative?
    I read that AI is more popular on the coasts and not in the midwest where conservative values are the strongest.

  43. Mary102 – Someone mentioned fans Paramore & Flyleaf as the types of fans that Siobhan would attract. I didn’t even see it until it was spelled out. I love both these bands (and most angry chick music LOL)

    Flyleaf
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN0FFK8JSYE

    Paramore
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei8hPkyJ0bU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH9A6tn_P6g&feature=channel

    Ahhh I remember Shirley Mason! <3 I miss hot rocker chicks. Here's one for you.
    Mary's Danish
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgXIjHjoWa0&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDAN9QGcpcs&feature=PlayList&p=C60A18BBAE193A36&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

  44. 3. A Danny/Adam pairing might have yielded different sales results.

    Tinawina, I do agree with you on this. I think Danny is doing better than expected, with no national PR except for the AI performance. This shows continued interest from fans, which could have been even higher had he finished higher and received PR.

    His first week album sales were very close to the winner’s, taking into account the different selling seasons and lost momentum from an album out that far after AI is over; especially with no PR; all he had been doing was radio tours. He debuted just after Adam, in the top 5 Billboard.

    The final two episode was the lowest rated ever; just not very exciting compared to S7. I think whether you liked Danny and Adam or not; a finale with those two would have generated a lot of interest because both are big personalities that evoke strong feelings. I think this could have helped album sales.

    I do feel decreased sales this year in general are mainly due to the general loss of interest in AI and the declining record sales.
    I guess I am in the camp of expecting more of the same for S9.

  45. I just think it kinda sucks that anyone would go to the trouble of voting in the finale, I mean the big time power voters and not buy albums. If I’m going to spend 4 hours of my time voting, that means I’m pretty darn invested in that contestant and yeah, I want that album when it comes out, just to show support. If someone hates a contestant so much that they spend hours voting against them, well at least give the guy you did vote for your $10. If Danny’s fans did swing to Kris’s votes, I would think Kris’s style isn’t so completely different, they might give his album a shot. Kris should be doing better than he is, i wish he was.

    This year I haven’t been compelled to vote. Yet. There’s not a contestant I want to hear an album from. But things could change, it’s still early. But the years I do feel compelled to vote, I usually buy the album. They’ve entertained me all season, I feel it’s something I can do to say thank you.

  46. koshka:
    03/22/2010 at 12:32 pm
    Mary102 – Someone mentioned fans Paramore & Flyleaf as the types of fans that Siobhan would attract. I didn’t even see it until it was spelled out. I love both these bands (and most angry chick music LOL)

    Yep – can totally see that.

  47. If Danny’s fans did swing to Kris’s votes, I would think Kris’s style isn’t so completely different, they might give his album a shot.

    I have heard of a lot of Danny fans who bought Kris’s album; including me. But there are a lot of hardcore Danny fans who are actually Adam fans. I think it is casual Danny voters who voted in the finale (people vote for a lot of reasons, remember, including appearance, personality, and whether they think someone did better on that singular night)that may have voted for Kris.

    But we’ll never know if that is what swung the victory; or if Kris truly has a bigger fan base that just doesn’t buy albums.

    I do know I have voted some in the past and not bought the album; and also not voted and bought the album (Daughtry- yes, slap me, but it turned out ok for him didn’t it? :) )

  48. Adam is moving up the Charts in Finland
    WWFM is #10 up 30 spots from last week, FYE is #11 up 8 spots

  49. American Idol has gone from a reality singing competition with a real hook to just another blase’ reality show where the focus is on everything but the talent of those participating. And as the show has denigrated the sales (irregardless of the changes in market statistics) has also denigrated.

    No one will ever convince me that the “NOVELTY” of American Idol didn’t result in the enormous sales for several of the early season participants. The charm of voting for someone and seeing them succeed was real and the fanbases generated by the show really felt like they had a stake in the popularity of the Idol winners.

    Well, Daughtry’s success really put a kabosh on the Idol mysticism and really showed that the “results” were not the fairy tale concept that Idol “worshippers” had been led to believe. And slowly cynisism for the program has seemed to creep in and more and more “invested” idol fanatics have tuned out.

    And yup…numbers will never be like they once were. And comparing Idol sales as the years go by, though fun and stimulating, really does not paint a true picture of how well any of the alumni were and are doing in the real world. Adam will never have the sales numbers of a Daughtry…Jordin will never match up to Kelly….and the Davids will always lag behind what Clay was able to generate. I firmly believe that Idol is showing all the stress of years of wear and that fatigue is definitely a factor. The Season 9 Idol winners will struggle for every “out of the bubble” media piece, their sales will be fair (out of the gate) but will drop to nothing fairly quickly. It’s just the nature of the beast.

  50. CHART DATE: 03/22/2010
    LAST UPDATE: 03/22/2010 09:26:30
    NOW IN: 54.02%

    LW TW artist / album label power index
    3 1 LADY ANTEBELLUM CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 67,831
    NEED YOU NOW
    — 2 MARVIN SAPP VERITY/JLG 46,522
    HERE I AM
    1 3 LUDACRIS DTP/DEF JAM/IDJ 30,606
    BATTLE OF THE SEXES
    7 4 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 28,167
    FAME
    9 5 BLACK EYED PEAS INTERSCOPE 27,258
    E.N.D. (ENERGY NEVER DIES)
    12 6 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJMG 24,446
    MY WORLD
    6 7 SADE EPIC 19,827
    SOLDIER OF LOVE
    5 8 GARY ALLAN MCA NASHVILLE 17,977
    GET OFF ON THE PAIN
    16 9 ZAC BROWN BAND ATLANTIC 17,427
    FOUNDATION
    13 10 KE$HA KEMOSABE/RCA/RMG 17,319
    ANIMAL

    28 17 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 11,894
    PLAY ON

    19 22 DANNY GOKEY 19/RCA NASHVILLE 10,401
    MY BEST DAYS

    26 23 SUSAN BOYLE COLUMBIA 9,859
    I DREAMED A DREAM

    48 42 DAUGHTRY 19/RCA/RMG 5,497
    LEAVE THIS TOWN

  51. It’s weird for someone from Idol to have a big radio hit and still struggle mightly to sell albums. It’s common for new pop artists though. I think S8 will be a watershed and set the pattern for S9. Those huge Idol fanbases that bought the album are gone. And even a hit song on the radio doesn’t generate the big album sales like it used to.
    At least it’s not doing it for S8 albums so far.

    It’s not really that unusual. Archie had only sold about 80K more at this same point and he had a HUGE single in Crush. I predict Adam will catch up to him in album sales.

    Jordin’s album had around the same numbers at this point, also. She had a nice hit with her first single. Then she recorded a single with Chris Brown and toured with the JoBros. Those two moves really increased her album sales.

    Adam is somewhere in between these two. WWFM is still going, but won’t sell as much as Crush. I do think Adam’s album will sell better and will definitely do better internationally. We will have to wait and see if he has a second single that can move him closer to what Jordin sold in a year.

  52. you make some good points tess. the case could be made as well for all the useless fanwarring and ott pronouncements from fans to cease – those proclaiming their idol, past, present or future, to be the biggest, bestest, superstar to end all superstars if we are now acknowledging the idol brand and mystique is or has faded… i won’t hold my breath on the pronouncements or fanwars or comparisons to end though, lol…

    these alums have fought hard after leaving the show to carve out their own niche in a death spiraling music industry, one that has some elements of a lingering idol bias or snobbery regarding past contestants.. all of them – regardless of whether we love, like or dislike their styles deserve more credit than they sometimes get for putting themselves out there as relatively new artists, fighting w/the big dogs for recognition and exposure, and a chance to have their music heard. if indeed the bloom is off the idol rose, and the novelty has begun to wane, then perhaps those able to distance themselves from the brand may stand a better chance in the long run… all things come to an end, and if you’re dependent on american idol for a large piece of your promo or sales, it may be tricky when idol does go away.

  53. According to neison soundscan FYE is #10 selling album in Cananda up 1 from #11 last week.
    http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Charts/ALBUMS.html

    Adam keeps moving up! Adding to that platinum album!

    Also, Danny is in the top 100!

    Yay! for Danny staying in the top 50 for three weeks now! If you look at chart position, Danny is holding his own in sales from S8. Pretty impressive!

  54. Danny’s album is looking decent on HDD so far. He’s cracked the 100K sales mark total just with this update.

    Jordin’s 2nd hit No Air was really huge probably because Chris Brown was a superstar at the time. Adam would probably need a #1 duet with Lady Gaga on his album to duplicate the effect that No Air had on Jordin’s sales.

  55. tiger92

    I think that comment you replied to was more about Kris’s album sales, not so much Adam’s.

  56. Go Gokey!

    But he was #16 on Billboard last week; this one says #19?

  57. No one will ever convince me that the “NOVELTY” of American Idol didn’t result in the enormous sales for several of the early season participants. The charm of voting for someone and seeing them succeed was real and the fanbases generated by the show really felt like they had a stake in the popularity of the Idol winners.

    really? cuz that wasnt the case for Justin, Nikki or Tamyra from Season 1. they were really a novelty, yet everything but kelly bombed from that season. even that stupid movie. Ruben won, but barely made a career. How well did Diana DeGarmo do after Season 3? you honestly think idol was once all about the music and it has turned for the worst in the past couple of seasons? wasnt tone def jasmine trias in the final 3 during season 3?

    sales are down in the industry. period. its not an isolated idol issue. numbers have been decreasing due to the economy and the advance of technology. thak you iTunes for making albums useless.

    and while some of the novelty has worn off idol, it now has credibility thanks to kelly, carrie, daughtry and jhud. so yes, the charm is gone but at least, its has gained some respect in the industry and outside the idol bubble.

  58. I just think it kinda sucks that anyone would go to the trouble of voting in the finale, I mean the big time power voters and not buy albums. If I’m going to spend 4 hours of my time voting, that means I’m pretty darn invested in that contestant and yeah, I want that album when it comes out, just to show support.

    I understand how it can be annoying, but I’d like to offer an explanation of why some of us do this. First, AI is my favorite show. I enjoy it as an entertainment vehicle in and of itself without regard to any of the stuff that comes after the season ends. I vote within the context of the show feeling no obligation whatsoever to do anything for anyone after the finale.

    Second, I only spend money on music I like and plan to listen to. I don’t spend my money to “support” anyone who doesn’t live in my house. If they want my money, they’ve got to put out a quality product that I want to buy. Otherwise, it would just be charity (which, I already do plenty of that to more worthy causes than the personal bank accounts of reality tv contestants).

    So, I completely understand how some people might get frustrated with the buying habits of some AI viewers. But, I don’t consider it financially sound to purchase cd’s from every contestant I’ve ever voted for. Some of those post-AI cd’s really suck, and I’d rather buy shoes :).

  59. having said all of that, i do hope adam, kris and danny continue to pull in good numbers for their albums and/pr singles so that the brand doesnt fade. if these guys fail, i dont think there is much hope for future contestants. if someone like adam, who has had massive media attention compared to other contestants, fails at achieving a number one hit, it doesnt bode well for season 9 chickies.

  60. Street Pulse chart is projecting a slightly less than 40% drop in sales for Danny this week, which would mean about 13-15K in sales this week. They are projecting a 7% drop for Kris, and actually a very small (less than 1%) INCREASE for Adam. So we’ll have to see how close these projections end up being.

    EDIT: They are also projecting a 17% drop for Daughtry but an 8% INCREASE for Carrie.

  61. tiger92

    I think that comment you replied to was more about Kris’s album sales, not so much Adam’s.

    Really? The comment had several references to S8:

    I thinkS8 will be a watershed and set the pattern for S9. Those huge Idol fanbases that bought the album are gone. And even a hit song on the radio doesn’t generate the big album sales like it used to.
    At least it’s not doing it for S8 albums so far.

    “S8 albums” is plural. Who else would this poster be referring to? Danny or Allison? It makes sense that it would be Kris and Adam.

  62. Jordin’s 2nd hit No Air was really huge probably because Chris Brown was a superstar at the time. Adam would probably need a #1 duet with Lady Gaga on his album to duplicate the effect that No Air had on Jordin’s sales.

    I actually really really want this to happen (though I know, among Adam fans, I’m in the minority on this one) – a duet with Gaga on Fever would be GOLD, imo (or platinum, lol)!

  63. NOW IN: 54.98%
    (The only changes were the ranks of these 3 compared to what was posted before)

    28 18 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 11,894
    PLAY ON (down 1 from #17)
    19 23 DANNY GOKEY 19/RCA NASHVILLE 10,401
    MY BEST DAYS (down #1 from #22)
    26 24 SUSAN BOYLE COLUMBIA 9,859
    I DREAMED A DREAM (down 1 from #23)
    48 43 DAUGHTRY 19/RCA/RMG 5,497
    LEAVE THIS TOWN (down 1 from #42)

  64. I can’t believe that the AT&T thing is being brought back up again, especially considering it was one report and was refuted by both AI and AT&T. I think Kris was just unhyped and there was a huge backlash against him post victory that has carried forward all this time.

    I’m happy with the results of Season 8, because I think Kris needed the win and the AI title would have not been a good fit for Adam. But having said that, the AT&T story wasn’t just one report. The local newspaper in Arkansas interviewed people who said they were able to vote 200,000 times for Kris because they learned to send 100 text votes at a time. I can’t be bothered to go on-line and dig up the articles. That was done after the NY Times article ran and people were stating the NYT was only printing rumors. But if anyone is so inclined to dig up the local news articles from Arkansas, it’s just a google search away. And by the way, who is to say people didn’t do that for Adam and Danny as well? There were just no publishsed reports in local newspapers with interviews with people on the record stating they did that for Danny and Adam.

    I know this subject is taboo, but I think there was more too it than just one report.
    ETA- found the link to “theCabin” the local conway newspapaer. http://thecabin.net/stories/052109/loc_0521090007.shtml

    In regards to Season 8 sales, I also think the bloom as gone off the AI rose. I don’t expect Season 9 contestants to sell any better than Season 8 contestants.

    In regards to the Davids and their popularity, people have to keep in mind the Hollywood writers’ strike that took place from November of 2007 to Feb. 2008, which meant only reality shows and reruns were available to watch on TV. I can’t recall how much time it took after the strike ended in mid to late February for production to begin on new episodes and for those new episodes to begin airing. That is not to say that Season 7 wasn’t awesome and that the Davids aren’t great, but I do think more people got hooked on the season because there were very few t.v. viewing options out there. I do think that contributed to their increase in viewership.

  65. I would disagree with you on #3 — A Danny/Adam finale likely wouldn’t have changed anything. Danny’s album sales are pretty good, especially for someone trying to break into the country market.

    Do we actually think that if Danny had made it into the finale last year, he would actually have gone the country route? I personally don’t think so. Based on the way the finale played out with Kris performing with Keith Urban and Danny with Lionel Richie, I think the roles would be reversed. Kris would have had to go country (if he was signed at all) and Danny would be doing some type of soul/pop/r&b. Would that have affected their sales? We will never know.

  66. I actually really really want this to happen (though I know, among Adam fans, I’m in the minority on this one) – a duet with Gaga on Fever would be GOLD, imo (or platinum, lol)!

    I’m with you! A duet with Gaga would be amazing! I’m sure it won’t happen though. :(

  67. especially with no PR;

    Except for that whole singing on AI for an audience of 20 million plus the week of your album drop ;-)

    But in all honesty, I agree, Danny is doing fine. Just had to point that out.

  68. sales are down in the industry. period. its not an isolated idol issue. numbers have been decreasing due to the economy and the advance of technology. thak you iTunes for making albums useless.

    Yeah, ITA. Though I agree with Tess that a significant part of Idol album sales post-show are probably novelty purchases, I don’t think the diminishing sales totals have a much to do with Idol itself as it does the industry in general. Bottom line, these albums end to perform well in the market to which they are released. They stay top sellers through the holidays, for at least one person that year.

    I would disagree with you on #3 — A Danny/Adam finale likely wouldn’t have changed anything. Danny’s album sales are pretty good, especially for someone trying to break into the country market. But the album sales are still behind what Kris had after 2 weeks (yes, I realize sales are generally lower in March than in November) — and I don’t think his single has even reached the 100K mark despite being out since early December, has it? So while he would have gotten more national publicity if he had finished Top 2, I don’t know if it would have made a big difference saleswise. Again, I could be wrong (I often am!) — maybe it would have, but I have my doubts.

    girlygirl, I think all those are legit doubts. All I am saying is that it is possible Danny would have been stronger, given that fact that he did as well as he did being released 6 months later. I’m not saying it is a definitive fact, just arguing that there is some evidence that it may have been more about the contestants themselves and not the franchise.

    Adam was one of the most polarizing (if not, THE most polarizing) contestants ever to be on the show.

    Clay and Fanny were polarizing contestants too. I don’t think that alone is a factor. And he wasn’t THAT far off from a top selling holiday record, he started off the same as others before him he just lost some ground past the 3rd week or so, which to me seems to indicate a problem with the less intense fans and the gift buying business. I am not saying for sure you are wrong, mind you, I just think there is plenty room for doubt.

    All season 9 really has to do to get back on track is produce one top selling contestant. One. So while I admit that it ain’t looking good so far, I don’t think all is lost. It could easily be Crystal despite her genre, because we are talking about the launch not a long term career. Or at least I am. LOL

    I do think that Kris and Adam are doing fine though, the way stuff starts off is not everything. I think both will be fine in the long run.

  69. I’m with you! A duet with Gaga would be amazing! I’m sure it won’t happen though.

    I personally don’t know why his label and management aren’t all for this. Gaga is instant radio gold – and Fever is a kick ass song directly in her style. A duet with her would be an INSTANT in for Adam on radio – likely catapulting him to a #1 hit (since all her songs have been #1 hits so far), which is no small deal.

    Plus, imo it gives him an in with radio, which has been, I think, a little more conservative about accepting his more dance/pop oriented songs (that is, FYE).

  70. All season 9 really has to do to get back on track is produce one top selling contestant. One. So while I admit that it ain’t looking good so far, I don’t think all is lost. It could easily be Crystal despite her genre, because we are talking about the launch not a long term career. Or at least I am. LOL

    That and give them a good coronation song and release their first single while they are on the AI tour.

    ETA-When I think about it, AI really didn’t do Kris any favors with his rollout.

  71. That and give them a good coronation song and release their first single while they are on the AI tour.

    Naw, that was not a factor for say Daughtry or Rueben or Carrie etc etc. It is possible to do fine without a popular coronation single or a lead single released in the summer. But it sure don’t hurt. :)

  72. I asked on the headlines thread but it is probably better here. WWFM is up to #18 on iTunes. There has been no promo really, so is this a result of radio play/ VH1?

  73. aa618892:
    03/22/2010 at 2:48 pm
    I asked on the headlines thread but it is probably better here. WWFM is up to #18 on iTunes. There has been no promo really, so is this a result of radio play/ VH1?

    Probably both – it’s getting more spins on radio, getting to new markets (e.g. DC, as opposed to just NYC), plus the music video.

  74. Naw, that was not a factor for say Daughtry or Rueben or Carrie etc etc. It is possible to do fine without a popular coronation single or a lead single released in the summer. But it sure don’t hurt

    Good point! But I think for someone like Kris, who didn’t have the fanbase Daughtrey, Rueben or Carrie had, I think a good coronation single and a single released while he was on tour would have given his album a better debut week. But you are right, it isn’t necessary to have a successful debut idol album.

  75. Is there any particular evidence that the idol audience skews conservative?
    I read that AI is more popular on the coasts and not in the midwest where conservative values are the strongest.

    Well, I think there is evidence that it skews *musically* conservative. Because of the age factor, partly, and then also from some of the voting over the years. Socially or politically conservative, who knows? The Idol fanbases I know about seem to have folks of all social/political persuasions in them, so on that flimsy basis of slight evidence, I don’t get the impression that it skews either way socially/politically.

  76. Count me in for that dream Adam/Gaga Fever duet :) Maybe for an awards show like MTV :)

  77. Is there any particular evidence that the idol audience skews conservative?
    I read that AI is more popular on the coasts and not in the midwest where conservative values are the strongest.

    Well, I think there is evidence that it skews *musically* conservative. Because of the age factor, partly, and then also from some of the voting over the years. Socially or politically conservative, who knows? The Idol fanbases I know about seem to have folks of all social/political persuasions in them, so on that flimsy basis of slight evidence, I don’t get the impression that it skews either way socially/politically.

    I think all types of people watch idol. We have the likes of Billy Joe Armstrong of Green Day, Jimmy Kimmel and John Mayer all admiting they like to watch idol and I don’t think of them as conservative. I think it’s more of a question of who takes the time to vote and not just vote, but vote often? :)

  78. I think the days of using album sales and single sales to measure an artist’s popularity are over. Country fans are the least likely to “share music” AKA steal it, but even Country fans are starting to buy less recorded music.

    Comparing today’s artists’ sales to 2003-2005 just does not make sense to me. The latest study by the IFPI which represents the recording industry worldwide, including 1,400 record companies in 66 countries, found that 95% of music is now pirated.

    Idol is a reality TV show — I evaluate its success by ratings with still make it the #1 show in the US. Any record sales are just a bonus.

    Kris and Adam are musicians and entertainers — I evaluate their success by more than record sales — I look at airplay, merchandising, licensing, and when they tour, will add in concert receipts.

    I have no idea how many American’s “own” Kris’ album or tracks, I just know how many paid for them. I do know that LLWD had almost 12K spins on the radio in a week and was Top 10 on the Pop Airplay chart. That is no small accomplishment. Here are last week’s numbers:

    7 days ending 3/14/10 Kris Allen, Live Like We’re Dying (11,539) (#18 AC, #5 Hot AC, #10 Top 40)

    Adam is still moving up the chart and getting close to the 10K spin line. Has been making and winning VH1 and radio counts in the US, Canada, Japan, NZ, Australian and now in Europe.

    In context of the current music businesses, I am only sure of one thing — it is changing dramatically and selling recorded music cannot be the yardstick by which we measure success.

    So JMHO YMMV.

  79. Good point! But I think for someone like Kris, who didn’t have the fanbase Daughtrey, Rueben or Carrie had, I think a good coronation single and a single released while he was on tour would have given his album a better debut week.

    Yeah, no doubt he could have used the help! It will be real interesting to see what they do this year.

  80. Even if Adam’s management were all for it, Gaga and her management would still have to be for it as well. She’s doing great on her own, and although she definitely likes Adam and his music, there’s no guarantee she’d have strong interest in doing a duet with him. Has she said she would?

  81. sr4mjc:
    03/22/2010 at 2:58 pm
    Cumulus! 10 HAC Adds and 2 AC so far today.

    OMG – so happy to hear that :-) Yea!!!!! That news, plus Adam in hot ass kilt pics is just making this an awesome day :-)

  82. Cumulus finally coming around on Adam – yay! Maybe they were waiting for him to break Top 15? IDK — but this is great news.

  83. girlygirl:
    03/22/2010 at 3:05 pm
    Even if Adam’s management were all for it, Gaga and her management would still have to be for it as well. She’s doing great on her own, and although she definitely likes Adam and his music, there’s no guarantee she’d have strong interest in doing a duet with him. Has she said she would?

    True – hard to say what obstacles there might be in the way of a duet, not to mention legal issues concerning the rights of the music, what agreements were made when Adam was allowed to sing the song on his album, etc.

    I just know personally that I always seem to be in the minority just among Adam fans about having them duet, the most common argument usually being that Adam needs to be his own artist, and not attach himself to Gaga. I can see the point of that, but I’m not ever turning down the chance for him to have a #1 hit – just saying ;-)

  84. It’ll be interesting to see if 19 even signs any S9 contestant besides whoever wins. Look for a bunch of them to try and go the country route to try and get signed if they don’t win (Aaron, Casey, Lacey for sure; maybe Tim and Didi).

  85. Pam:
    03/22/2010 at 2:29 pm

    NOW IN: 54.98%
    (The only changes were the ranks of these 3 compared to what was posted before)

    28 18 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 11,894
    PLAY ON (down 1 from #17)
    19 23 DANNY GOKEY 19/RCA NASHVILLE 10,401
    MY BEST DAYS (down #1 from #22)

    It looks like Danny will hit the 100,000 album sold mark this week. That is fantastic, and it also looks like he will end up with a respectable ranking on Billboard as well. :)

  86. Mary102

    Yeah, it would be great if Adam could duet with Lady Gaga. It would be a lot of fun to watch a live performance of that song, for sure…and it would likely be a big hit.

    I don’t know a lot of the ins and outs of the business, but it seems like if you aren’t on the same label (or on different labels owned by the same company), it’s a lot harder to record together. She’s still on Interscope, right? That’s not a Sony-owned label (it’s owned by Universal)

  87. Woo! Bucky’s new song has 20 adds today! He’s way up at the top of the add chart (only 25 adds, total, but 20 in one day is mega-impressive, to me …). Go, Bucky!

  88. Does anyone remember WWFM’s peak on iTunes? It’s at #18 right now. I know it hasn’t got much higher than that — LLWD has peaked at #15 a few times, which I’m pretty sure is higher than WWFM has gotten so far. But did WWFM get to #17 before? — I want to say yes, but I can’t remember.

  89. It’ll be interesting to see if 19 even signs any S9 contestant besides whoever wins

    I would expect them to sign the winner and probably the runner-up unless there is a shock early boot of a popular contestant. One thing I bet they will not do is sign 3 S9 people who are all gearing for the pop/hac market…..

  90. Does anyone remember WWFM’s peak on iTunes? It’s at #18 right now. I know it hasn’t got much higher than that — LLWD has peaked at #15 a few times, which I’m pretty sure is higher than WWFM has gotten so far. But did WWFM get to #17 before? — I want to say yes, but I can’t remember.

    I’m pretty sure it got to #17 a few times…I think that it has very very briefly climbed as high as 16…but i don’t think its been any higher

  91. WWFM is playing on 100.7 in Tampa, an HAC that hasn’t added yet. Let’s see it today!

  92. I think they could sign Crystal if she doesn’t win, but on a country label.

  93. girlygirl- I am pretty sure WWFM got as high as #17 after Oprah briefly. What is great right now is that it has gotten to #18 this time based primarily on radio play I guess since there has been no other promo. This is so much better really because it means it won’t drop down so quickly I think.

  94. Several people have seen WWFM at #16 but that was during an itunes glitch when Orianthis single suddenly dissapeared so I think we’re all counting #17 as the true peak position.

  95. do all of the David Cook fans know that his picture is — and has been for a long time — on the home page of WPLJ — right next to rihanna….its like he is a permanent citizen

  96. I don’t know a lot of the ins and outs of the business, but it seems like if you aren’t on the same label (or on different labels owned by the same company), it’s a lot harder to record together. She’s still on Interscope, right? That’s not a Sony-owned label (it’s owned by Universal)

    What label is Beyonce on? I hate this whole label politics biz, tbh :-( Argh.

    ETA: Though I guess when you’re Beyonce, you can do whatever the eff you want to do anyway – lol :-)

    I’m pretty sure it got to #17 a few times…I think that it has very very briefly climbed as high as 16…but i don’t think its been any higher

    Yeah, pretty sure it made #17 after Oprah, I think.

  97. Just checked the adds board – so cool to see Adam at the top (with Kelly, no less) – for HAC :-) Yea!

  98. do all of the David Cook fans know that his picture is — and has been for a long time — on the home page of WPLJ — right next to rihanna….its like he is a permanent citizen

    mmb, IDK about all the fans being aware, but Race Taylor and WPLJ NY love them some David Cook- he did their Acoustic Cafe the day DCTR dropped, 11/18/08, with a nice interview, was back again in June of ’09 doing press for the GMA show, and the Nokia show – WPLJ had ticket contests for that. They play all his music and say nice things, so cool they have him in their home page banner. It’s nice to develop good relationships with the DJ’s during all the press and promo for a Tour.

  99. As a S5 tard, it’s nice to see Bucky Covington on the top of the country adds. And he did it without 19 in any way shape or form. And Danny got a decent amount of adds as well.

    I think I confused folks with my Adam/Gaga comment. I just meant that if Adam’s album had a duet like that it would have a better chance of going plat similiar to how the duet with Chris Brown helped Jordin.

    But I think Idol turned a corner S8 and album sales just won’t compare to past seasons. And platinum was once considered the minimum for a successful Idol winner (or contestant after Daughtry). S8 could be the first ever without a platinum seller.

  100. WWFM has been up to #17 on three occassions —

    1/20/10 after Oprah
    Also on 2/20/10 and again on 3/11/10.

    ETA: And Saga is right, there was a #16 when iTunes dropped a few songs for a couple of hours. But if the songs hadn’t vanished, it would have been #17. Occurred on 2/20/10.

  101. girlygirl:
    03/22/2010 at 3:05 pm
    Even if Adam’s management were all for it, Gaga and her management would still have to be for it as well. She’s doing great on her own, and although she definitely likes Adam and his music, there’s no guarantee she’d have strong interest in doing a duet with him. Has she said she would?

    No. No one is saying it is going to happen. It’s just a pie-in-the-sky dream that some of us have. I wish it could happen, but I am 99.9999% sure it won’t. I’d love to be wrong though. :)

    YES! It looks like a BIG day for WWFM with the Cumulas HAC adds and iTunes chart position. It has been steadily moving up over the last week. Also, it was an encouraging update. I’m very happy!

    Congrats to Danny for maintaining a good chart position for album sales! It’s been a pretty good day! :)

  102. But I think Idol turned a corner S8 and album sales just won’t compare to past seasons. And platinum was once considered the minimum for a successful Idol winner (or contestant after Daughtry). S8 could be the first ever without a platinum seller.

    Idol has only really produced 4 successful recording artist who have a Platinum album for their second album: Kelly, Clay, Carrie and Daughtry [Daughtry #2 not officially Plat yet]. I think that Cook has a shot of making it on that list. That is 4 possibly 5 people who have proven they can be successful recording artists. And Clay really faded after his second album.

    Could someone from AI9 become a mega-star like Kelly or Carrie. Maybe, but I think that it was never a sure thing that even winning Idol would make some a commercially successful recording artist.

    It has never been easy to become a successful recording artist. And in this market it is certainly not easier than it was in 2003 or 2005 or even 2008.

    And I am not ready to count out either Kris or Adam. Jordin took 2 years to hit platinum, but she got there. Neither Kris and Adam had hit singles before their albums went on sale. Now they both have hit songs and are getting a lot of airplay. Kris should have another single out soon. Adam first “hit” single is still moving up the charts, and he will also have another single. I just do not thing that the AI8 story is done yet.

  103. [Daughtry #2 not officially Plat yet].

    Yes it is. RCA announced several weeks ago that it was certified platinum. It hasn’t sold 1 million yet (its close), but it has been officially certified.

  104. Very happy to see that Danny’s third week sales still look strong, and he should be somewhere near the BB top 20 or 25 with 100,000 cumulative albums sold in just 3 weeks when the final numbers come in. I’ve seen reports that stores are starting to carry more of his physical CDs after the earlier shortages. Seems that the reshipment we’d heard about may now be hitting the shelves.

    And nine new adds between US and Canadian country radio is great–Danny’s continuing to outpace those who are near him on the country radio charts in that regard (when I looked last week, most artists within a couple of spots of Danny on the radio chart had 2-4 adds at most).

    I’m happy with the results of Season 8, because I think Kris needed the win and the AI title would have not been a good fit for Adam.

    I would disagree with you on #3 — A Danny/Adam finale likely wouldn’t have changed anything. Danny’s album sales are pretty good, especially for someone trying to break into the country market.

    Do we actually think that if Danny had made it into the finale last year, he would actually have gone the country route? I personally don’t think so. … I think the roles would be reversed. Kris would have had to go country (if he was signed at all) and Danny would be doing some type of soul/pop/r&b.

    As a Danny fan with Adam as next-favorite, I was disappointed that Danny didn’t make the top 2 and that I didn’t get to see a Danny and Adam finale, which to me would have been the two best singers with contrasting styles. Agree it’s worked out fine for all of the AI8 top 3 though. I felt a lot better about Danny coming in third after seeing how much intense stress he was offloading once he left the competitive part of the show.

    Danny has said in interviews that he feels he may not have been allowed to go country had he won. I’m not sure I think they could have positioned him in R&B the way the industry is now, but maybe as an AC/pop artist with a soulful style? (I’m assuming with an AI winner they would never consider CCM, which is the other box people sometimes want to fit Danny into.)

    Not having to go in a pop direction has worked better for Danny in a lot of ways. Working out of Nashville vs. LA seems much more natural for him, especially with family in that area. Danny is the first to admit he is not a “pop culture guy,” and I’m not sure how LA media and personalities would take to Danny. Where in Nashville they seem to be accepting him very nicely for the most part. Had to lol in one interview where Danny described the Nashville music community as welcoming and “hugging” on him ;) But it’s literally true, I think. I’ve seen Danny a few times, and more than once some other artist or host comes up to him and does hug him at some point.

    I don’t know how to guess how Danny might have sold had he won or been runner-up, with more national publicity throughout last year and presumably a different album launch date. So many different variables, but it’s really moot — I saw him performing yesterday with his full band at a big arena show with some other up and coming country acts. He’s looking forward, not backward. And so far, so good for him with more to look ahead to in the future including the Sugarland tour.

  105. And I am not ready to count out either Kris or Adam. {snip} I just do not thing that the AI8 story is done yet.

    I really, really agree with this. I think they both have a real shot a having strong follow up singles on their core formats, and another one after that. I’m kinda excited to see what happens next with these two.

    Now Allison, on the other hand. Sigh. LOVE her, and I’m so holding my breath that things turn around. She was the one I thought would have the least problems on radio. :(

  106. I know there’s talk of LLWD having peaked and definitely concern for Kris’ album sales (what is wrong with people??) but at the moment, I’m just enjoying the view. I think Kris’ fanbase is much larger than some would estimate. It’s fun to see the families at his concerts (like in TX). He is so good with tweens. I enjoy watching twitter updates to see what people are saying about Kris and many, many times someone will say, “I’m embarrassed to say it, but I like Kris Allen.” AI does have a stigma attached to it for many audiences, but as he continues to do these radio shows and now as he opens for Keith Urban, his fanbase will continue to grow. I haven’t heard any figures on the crowds he is drawing. Does anyone know the figure for Wichita? At any rate, here is a pretty shaky video (lots of flailing going on) from when he sang LLWD in Detroit yesterday. The look on his face is priceless when everyone started singing along. Throughout the song he could hardly sing for smiling. I think he’s going to continue to have a lot to smile about in the future.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kztey1d5sLg

  107. It’s not showing up in the RIAA database and I was just trying to be accurate.

    It’s here –
    Daughtry

    Anyway, it’s too early to tell whether Adam will go platinum or if Kris will go gold, everything will depend on their next singles. Adam actually is selling now about the same as what Jordin did this time 2008, difference is that Jordin was seeing the benefit of a hit second single and increasing in sales, while Adam’s sale are falling. Things might change if his next single is a hit (and I hope it’ll be Sleepwalker, it’s his best song on the album). I believe from the beginning that Adam will sell platinum and Kris gold, haven’t changed my opinion yet.

    Kris needs to have a new single out very soon.

  108. Ruben won, but barely made a career.

    You do know that he has two top twenty hit songs in his format from his most recent cd right? That he headlined….that means starred in Ain’t Misbehaving that toured to solid reviews and butts in the seats several months last year, and that the cast recording was nominated for a Grammy this year? Barely a career? We really need to put those old tired stories of poor Ruben, Fantasia, and Taylor to bed. They are making a great living working steadily, and Ruben has been a presence on the charts and on radio in his genre with every cd he has put out. Nope, he’s not a pop star, but then I don’t think that was ever the idea. Ever so often someone posts the radio stats for the idol and Ruben represents himself quite nicely throughout the years.

  109. I am glad to see that Kris, Adam, Danny are all doing fine – and that each has made their mark in some ways. I think they will have careers in the music biz for years to come.

    But my question – does anyone know what has happened to Allison? I have not seen her on any of these charts for the longest of time.

  110. dishwalla – I believe the first page of comments in this post has the chart position for Allison on POP – I think it is in the 90s, however, it fell a few spots this week – which is what prompted my mini rant over why on earth Scars was allowed to be the 2nd single in the first place :-(

    BTW – where is this rumor that The Truth is Kris’s next single coming from? I just saw that on the headlines thread.

  111. i want to remind everyone that,adam before his album come out he was no.1 in amazon for two month.adam if he played it save in ama hes would become mega-star and album go platinium.hes fye didint work inus but his fye single doing well in other country.the radio turn against him,everyone know that by bashing him.his wwfm take a long time to play on radio.the problem with american idol is that they have they own fan show,but outside american idol nobody know who they are.now in season 9 they try to bring younger singer to expand fanbase for show to go on.

  112. BTW – where is this rumor that The Truth is Kris’s next single coming from? I just saw that on the headlines thread.

    Some poster at the Pulse board is reporting it.

  113. dishwalla – I believe the first page of comments in this post has the chart position for Allison on POP – I think it is in the 90s, however, it fell a few spots this week – which is what prompted my mini rant over why on earth Scars was allowed to be the 2nd single in the first place

    Allison :( She’s not one of my top-most AI8 favorites but do wish she was doing better. In an ideal world, she would have been in her twenties before auditioning and had an easier path to the kind of music that she seemed to enjoy most on the show and AI tour.

    Doesn’t seem that her sales or radio singles have caught on, and I rarely hear of her performing at shows except in a package with somebody else. It’s hard to tell if she can sell concert tickets (which I believe is another big measure for success these days along with music sales).

    Believe I read that they were going to have her do a Spanish-language version of FIBOU or some other(s) of her new songs. Did that happen, and did they have any success in that market?

  114. Masieta:
    03/22/2010 at 8:34 pm
    I know there’s talk of LLWD having peaked and definitely concern for Kris’ album sales (what is wrong with people??) but at the moment, I’m just enjoying the view.

    Masieta, thank you for your post and also for the video link.
    I usually avoid “media base thread” because it makes me sooo sad for Kris. But, something like yesterday’s radio gig makes me happy because I feel that even if Kris does not become a “superstah”, I believe that he can make a living doing gigs. He will continue to do gigs while he is under JIVE and even if he got dropped (I’m a pessimist), he will got hired somewhere and people will come see him sing.

  115. jpfan:
    03/22/2010 at 5:15 pm
    But I think Idol turned a corner S8 and album sales just won’t compare to past seasons. And platinum was once considered the minimum for a successful Idol winner (or contestant after Daughtry). S8 could be the first ever without a platinum seller.

    I suspect you could be right – although I have a sliver of hope for a 2nd Adam single doing the trick.

    The biggest surprise for me, though, has been what seems to me to be a bit of a lackluster SALES reception overseas for Adam. I expected a much higher peak than #18 in Aus (and only 1 week in top 20). Also am surprised the Japan Oricon chart doesn’t show him top 25. Just not sure what to make of this, and I don’t understand it.

    I wondet how and why that corner got turned….

  116. First post in here today..such a busy day yesterday.

    So happy Adam seems to be hanging on…and he got a bunch of HAC adds so he should keep doing well there. :-)

    What is the difference between Oricon (anyone have a link) chart and the Japan Billboard chart? Billboard had him lower than Oricon.
    I think his numbers will be higher this week there since his promo in Japan was last week. But, who knows! I thought his Australian debut was pretty good for a new artist.

    I’ve learned to just go with the ride and not angst over numbers so much anymore. Don’t get me wrong, I’m loving looking at the numbers but I don’t worry if they don’t meet “my” expectations.

  117. The biggest surprise for me, though, has been what seems to me to be a bit of a lackluster SALES reception overseas for Adam. I expected a much higher peak than #18 in Aus (and only 1 week in top 20). Also am surprised the Japan Oricon chart doesn’t show him top 25. Just not sure what to make of this, and I don’t understand it.

    You don’t sell albums if you don’t have a few singles charting. There is a reason why many labels release 1-2 singles before dropping the album.

  118. The biggest surprise for me, though, has been what seems to me to be a bit of a lackluster SALES reception overseas for Adam. I expected a much higher peak than #18 in Aus (and only 1 week in top 20).

    Nah, I think the album sales are pretty much what should be expected. The promo that he did was done concurrently with the release of the album and shortly after the release of the single. I think when trying to break a foreign artist, you need to look at the single and airplay chart positions, because the singles will build awarenes of the artist and give the public more of a sense of who the artist is….the most important thing for establishing adam abroad right now is to see how his singles are charting…and they are charting really well (for example, FYE was No. 3 on Bilboard 100; wwfm and fye are doing well on itunes and airplay charts in lotsof countries)…the singles plus the media exposure should serve to establish him abroad…in time the album sales should follow….look at a band like the script’s experience in the US….they are huge in Europe, came the the US, started opening for established acts, released a moderately popular single and then a hugely popular single and now the album sales, which were very very modest, are picking up

  119. As a S5 tard, it’s nice to see Bucky Covington on the top of the country adds.

    Those were some fun tarding days, my friend :). I’m happy for Bucky too. I have a geniune soft spot for him.

    I think there’s a lot of solid stuff on Kris’s cd, so I’m not sure I care that much what his next single is. I just think it needs to come out like now.

    Overall, I’m still pretty pleased with the reception that Kris & Adam have received on radio. That’s a new thing for me, to actually hear the people I liked on a season on my local radio. Hasn’t happened that often.

    It’s hard to tell if she can sell concert tickets (which I believe is another big measure for success these days along with music sales).

    With the crappy sales Allison has had, I doubt there’s any chance her label would take the financial risk of trying to arrange solo concerts for her. There’s nothing to indicate that the public would be snapping up any tickets. It’s good that she’s young, and she has plenty of time to regroup and re-evaluate the direction of her career. Because, although I hate to say it, I think this particular cd release for Allison is dead in the water.

  120. With the crappy sales Allison has had, I doubt there’s any chance her label would take the financial risk of trying to arrange solo concerts for her

    That’s too bad. I wasn’t thinking of a Big Tour, just at least some type of dates where they could get her out there and see if she has appeal and could gain word of mouth for her music as a live performer. Seems that they need something to build from, and the second single they’ve chosen isn’t going to make that any too easy as far as radio goes. And if she can’t get out performing in support of the single, wouldn’t that make it even harder? What I’ve mostly heard about is that she’s been at some dates with Kris, but seems to me it would be stronger for her to go out on her own or with some other act not tied to AI8. When she’s out with Kris or at the kradison thing, it just makes her seem like their little sister vs. an independent artist with her own career.

    Or hope they find something else to build from, which is what had me wondering if they had seen any success in putting out Spanish-language versions of her songs.

  121. Regarding Allison — she is being books at some concerts as an opening act and has some radio promo concerts. That could help her.

    The biggest surprise for me, though, has been what seems to me to be a bit of a lackluster SALES reception overseas for Adam. I expected a much higher peak than #18 in Aus (and only 1 week in top 20). Also am surprised the Japan Oricon chart doesn’t show him top 25. Just not sure what to make of this, and I don’t understand it.

    I didn’t actually have any expectations of what Adam would sell in Australia. But this seems pretty good for a new artist who just released his first single there.

    WWFM moved up from #26 to #23 on the Aussie singles chart this week. Adam is essentially unknown in Australia, he needs a hit or two first before people buy the album.

    Overall, the international response to Adam has been stronger than I expected.

    Regarding Japan — we actually do not know what is going on there for sales. Oricon Album chart is CD sales from some retailers. There are not consolidated sales chart for Japan like in the US, UK, NZ etc. FYE was #3 on the Billboard Japan Hot 100 for 2 weeks in a row, and the #1 non-Japanese song on the charts. We’ll see where it is this week on Thursday, but it is still getting a lot of airplay.

  122. Adam’s next single was confirmed as IIHY by his managment. But they are not talking about a date as of yet because WWFM is still moving up the charts (they don’t think its peaked :) ).

    Also on the touring front

    He is not going to touring with Christina Aguilera, but is definatly gearing up for his own tour still no details though.

    http://tinyurl.com/y99fs6n

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