Idol Sales News – Week Ending 11/14/10

There are no numbers out for the Idols yet this week (watch, they’ll come out as soon as I post), but we’ve got numbers for some Idol related CDs after the jump.

Updated: Now with Idol Album numbers.
Updated: Now with Idol Download numbers

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Albums
52 Carrie Underwood “Play On 12K (14%; lw 11K) Total: 1.798M (47)
65 Fantasia “Back to Me” 9K (0%; lw 9K) Total: 309K (52)
140 Daughtry “Leave This Town” 4K (-7%; lw 4K) Total: 1.183M (100)
Jason Castro “Who I Am” 2K (NEW) 2K
Danny Gokey “My Best Days” <1K (-4%; <1K ) Total: 191K
Mandisa “True Beauty: <1K (-27%) Total: 214K
Chris Sligh “The Anatomy of Broken” <1K (-6%) Total: 4K
Mandisa “Freedom” <1K (12%; <1K) Total: 128K
Carrie Underwood “Some Hearts” 3K (+12%) Total: 7.039M
Carrie Underwood “Carnival Ride” 2K (+8%) Total: 3.138M
Adam Lambert “For Your Entertainment” 3K (+4%) Total: 755K
Elvis Presley “Elvis Presley Christmas Duets (feat. Carrie Underwood on I’ll Be Home for Christmas)” 2K (+66%) Total: 420K

Rounded numbers from Brian at Idol Chatter

Idol Related:
1 Susan Boyle (from BGT) “The Gift”: 318K (her first album opened at 701K, but 318K for a Christmas CD a year later is nothing to sneeze at).
4 “Now 36” (featuring Adam and Daughtry): 89K
6 Jason Aldean (featuring Kelly) “My Kinda Party”: 81K (-58% (a slightly below average second week fall)

Total Album Sales: 6.30M (up 16% from 2009 and down 11% from 2008))
Total Album Sales Same Week 2009: 5.43M
Total Album Sales Same Week 2008: 7.04M
Total Album Sales This Year: 253.67M (down 13% from same point last year (293M))

Downloads:
Jason Aldean w/Kelly Clarkson “Don’t You Wanna Stay” 50K (+89%) Total: 76K
Carrie Underwood “Mama’s Song” 22K (+70%) Total: 174K
Daughtry “September” 15K (-6%) Total: 332K
Adam Lambert “If I Had You” 14K (-17%) Total: 638K
Carrie Underwood “Undo It” 12K (+29%) Total: 901K
Carrie Underwood” Cowboy Casanova” 5K (+22%) Total: 1.516M
Carrie Underwood “Temporary Home” 4K (+24%) Total: 609K
Jason Castro “You Are” (2K (NEW) Total: 2K
Jason Castro “Hallelujah (Album Version)” 1K ( 115%) Total: 47K

Idol Related Downloads:
1 Glee “Teenage Dream” 214K
Biggest selling one week sales by a Glee song and first Glee song to hit number 1 on the digital chart. Will debut at #18 on the Hot 100 (“Don’t Stop Believin'” was at number 4).

Total Digital Tracks: 21.3M (up 7%)
Total Digital Tracks Last Week: 19.84M
Total Digital Tracks Same Week 2009: 19.63M
Total Digital Tracks this Year: 978.15M
Total Digital Tracks Last Year: 980.61M

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228 Comments

  1. Yes it is out Kirsten:
    Carrie Underwood gets CMA sales boosts

    Carrie Underwood, Play On (12,000, +14%, 1.798 million total) (#52 Billboard 200)
    Fantasia, Back to Me (9,000, 0 change, 309,000) (#65 BB200)
    Daughtry, Leave This Town (4,000, -7%, 1.183 million) (#140 BB200)
    Jason Castro, Who I Am (2,000, debut, 2,000)
    Danny Gokey, My Best Days (less than 1,000, -4%, 191,000)
    Mandisa, True Beauty (less than 1,000, -27%, 214,000)
    Chris Sligh, The Anatomy of Broken (less than 1,000, -6%, 4,000)
    Mandisa, Freedom (less than 1,000, -66%, 128,000)

    Adam fell of the BB200 after 50 straight weeks on it.

  2. Kirsten – I’m a little very low on coffee and sleep this morning, so I need to bring this down to a 3rd grade level for my comprehension.

    1) the top numbers under “idol related” and “idol related downloads” are sales over the previous week.
    2) And then we have HDD predictions after one day of sales.
    3) And we don’t have an HDD for Lee yet.

    Is this right?

  3. 1) the top numbers under “idol related” and “idol related downloads” are sales over the previous week.
    2) And then we have HDD predictions after one day of sales.
    3) And we don’t have an HDD for Lee yet.

    Is this right?

    Correct on all fronts. The yearly numbers are year-to-date (and the corresponding year-to-date number from the previous year).

    Thanks Valentin432 for the numbers. I swear, Brian is taunting me.

  4. I had a feeling with the new releases and the CMAs, Adam would fall off this week. It was a great run!

  5. Lee is holding steady at #6 on the overall iTunes chart this morning. It’ll be interesting to see what HDD has as his 1-day projections

  6. Biggest selling one week sales by a Glee song and first Glee song to hit number 1 on the digital chart. Will debut at #18 on the Hot 100 (“Don’t Stop Believin’” was at number 4).

    So DSB sold less than TD a year (plus?) ago and yet debuted 14 places higher on Hot 100? Are singles selling that much more now, that the competition is that much higher? I assume the rules haven’t changed, and sales still count for 1/2, and both TD and DSB placed on Hot 100 on sales alone?

    HDD One-Day Predictions:
    Josh Groban 350-400K
    Rascal Flatt: 350-400K
    Susan Boyle: 220-250K
    Rihanna: 150-170K
    Kid Rock: 80-85K
    Keith Urban: 70-75K
    Nelly: 70-75K

    Yikes, no Lee. I’m guessing outside the top ten? Furthermore, yikes on the music industry as a whole, on one of the biggest weeks of the year for album drops– those numbers as a whole look a tad anemic to me?

  7. Thanks Kirsten.

    Does anyone know if we will see a prediction for Lee if he isn’t in the top 10? I can’t remember from last year. I’m betting on 40-45K

  8. smallie

    where did you get the 1-day predictions? I went on HDD and I don’t see them posted

  9. HDD doesn’t come out until the afternoon. Maybe those are from Billboard?

  10. I don’t see the one day HDD sales predictions on their site either. Those usually come out in the afternoon on Wednesdays.

  11. Someone posted the hdd article on pulse. Don’t know where it came from. It might be fake

  12. yikes on the music industry as a whole, on one of the biggest weeks of the year for album drops– those numbers as a whole look a tad anemic to me?

    I know. Seeing those numbers a week before Black Friday is unsettling. I mean people are still not cracking 100K but making the the top 10? Wow. Rhianna can’t crack 200K with all those hits? Yikes.

  13. where did you get the 1-day predictions? I went on HDD and I don’t see them posted

    I picked it up from Pulse.

    HDD doesn’t come out until the afternoon.

    I seem to recall that they were early last week (or the week before). IDK. Maybe mmb is right and these are fake. A lot of work for a fake, but it looks like their year-to-year comparison is wrong.

    I’ve removed the HDD predictions from the post until we get numbers posted by HDD itself. People are so weird. Sorry for being taken in by a fake.

  14. Wow. Rhianna can’t crack 200K with all those hits? Yikes.

    I could see it. Her last album came out last year and was not well received. For an established artist, people’s reaction to your last album impacts your first week’s sales. Same is true of movie sequels. If the last one tanked, the next one will have lower first week numbers and will have to recover based on word of mouth.

    Still, she’s all over the top of iTunes, so perhaps people are ready to move onto new-and-improved-but-really-the-same-as-she-was-before-that-last-album Rihanna.

  15. yikes on the music industry as a whole, on one of the biggest weeks of the year for album drops– those numbers as a whole look a tad anemic to me?

    Here were the SS numbers from the same week (i.e. this current week) last year:

    SOUNDSCAN (WEEK ENDING 11/22/09)

    11 1 MAYER*JOHN BATTLE STUDIES 285548 285730
    3 2 BOCELLI*ANDREA MY CHRISTMAS 184791 469499
    1 3 JONES*NORAH FALL 180425 180523
    1 4 CASTING CROWNS UNTIL THE WHOLE WORLD HEARS 167432 26372
    1 5 50 CENT BEFORE I SELF-DESTRUCT 159747 161244
    1 6 BIEBER*JUSTIN MY WORLD 136741 136790
    4 7 JACKSON*MICHAEL MICHAEL JACKSON’S THIS IS IT 95740 782260
    6 8 NEW MOON (TWILIGHT) SOUNDTRACK 93435 535720
    3 9 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 86218 532472
    54 10 SWIFT*TAYLOR FEARLESS 84010 4385781
    1 11 ALLEN*KRIS KRIS ALLEN 80072 80109
    1 12 THEM CROOKED VULTURE THEM CROOKED VULTURE 69570 69960
    1 13 LEWIS*LEONA ECHO 67260 67300
    3 14 VARIOUS NOW 32 57911 227953
    1 15 MCCARTNEY*PAUL GOOD EVENING NEW YORK CITY 54929 55338
    7 16 BUBLE*MICHAEL CRAZY LOVE 52681 678518
    3 17 GLEE VOL. 1-GLEE: THE MUSIC 50877 219814
    2 18 BON JOVI THE CIRCLE 50047 212941
    1 19 ONEREPUBLIC WAKING UP 39496 39646
    1 20 JACKSON*JANET #1’S – 2CD 37483 37595

  16. I don’t even see a HDD prediction on Pulse Board. Maybe it was removed as well?

  17. Well I wasn’t expecting Lee to be in the Top 10 anyway due to all the new releases plus I figured SuBo would have a small drop. So if that’s accurate its just a matter of how far out of the top 10 and he’s selling less than 70k. Again not a shock. Love Josh so I’m hoping those numbers are right.

    Also really impressed Leave This Town has hung in the BB200 as long as.

  18. What was rihannas debut number for RR? I remember her selling less than Adam in her opening week or is that wrong?

  19. What was rihannas debut number for RR? I remember her selling less than Adam in her opening week or is that wrong?

    You are correct. Here are some numbers from Thanksgiving week last week including Rihanna’s opening numbers for her last album:

    — 1 BOYLE*SUSAN I DREAMED A DREAM 700,779 999 632 701,411
    2 2 BOCELLI*ANDREA MY CHRISTMAS 217,569 18 184,791 687,068
    — 3 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 198,466 999 437 198,903
    — 4 RIHANNA RATED R 180,890 999 552 181,442
    — 5 LADY GAGA FAME MONSTER (8 TRK) 173,515 999 411 173,926
    34 6 LADY GAGA FAME 151,393 429 28,600 1,809,786
    29 7 CYRUS*MILEY TIME OF OUR LIVES EP 149,663 385 30,871 929,561
    10 8 SWIFT*TAYLOR FEARLESS 124,601 48 84,010 4,510,382
    9 9 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 123,870 44 86,218 656,342
    3 10 JONES*NORAH FALL 110,150 -39 180,425 290,673
    7 11 JACKSON*MICHAEL MICHAEL JACKSON’S THIS IS IT 108,121 13 95,740 890,381
    8 12 NEW MOON (TWILIGHT) SOUNDTRACK 104,100 11 93,435 639,820
    1 13 MAYER*JOHN BATTLE STUDIES 92,153 -68 285,548 377,883
    6 14 BIEBER*JUSTIN MY WORLD 90,755 -34 136,741 227,545

  20. Aww, FYE had a great run in the top 200 w/ 50 weeks!!! Brian says he should have additional album numbers later today, so we should get updates on those out of top 200 later.

  21. Here were the SS numbers from the same week (i.e. this current week) last year:

    Oh I see #1-3 are higher this year than last if those early HDD numbers on Pulse are to be believed (word to Kirsten, if they are fake, people are weird). I was just looking at all those 70-80ishK debuts, and remembering that last year’s top 10 must’ve been over 80K since Kris debuted with 80K and was out of the top 10. So yay for Subo, Rascal Flatts, and Josh Grobin for pushing up the top 10 totals (incidentally, all three make music I kind of can’t stand, even if Josh cracks me up as a person).

  22. Wow, I’m very surprised at the Josh Groban predictions. Who knew he had so many fans for his cheesy music. SuBo is so going to reach platinum. And I don’t think too many people expected Lee to break into the Top 10 this week did they? But I’m surprised there’s no HDD numbers for him yet.

  23. Lee is #11 overall in iTunes Canada. #3 in Pop.

    There are 4 Beatles albums in the top 10 overall. And there are 9 Beatles in the Top Ten Rock. (Bryan Adams is the other top 10 rock)

    Susan Boyle is 56 overall … ;)

  24. The Canadians seem to have good taste in music!

    Lee is currently #6 overall and #2 in Pop albums on ITunes. So glad he has a banner in Pop now.

  25. I wouldn’t get too excited about SuBo’s ranking on iTunes. I don’t think that’s where she sells the bulk of her music. ;)

  26. Just a thought — with Lee’s botched release yesterday — iTunes was mucked up and at least some Walmarts and Target had no stock out yet — I think the HDD 1 day forecast will be off, unless they adjust it.

    Two more signs that the first day numbers may not tell Lee’s story….

    I have Lee now at #6 on iTunes which looks a lot like Kris’ position last year. (The is higher than yesterday’s average.) Kris did 28K digital his first week. I think Kris had more pre-orders because of the iTunes pass but #6 on iTunes is pretty solid. :)

    He’s also moved up to #18 on Amazon best sellers — with is a big improvement over yesterday.

    The forecast for Keith Urban’s EP looks low to me BTW.

  27. I expect Groban’s Christmas CD will return to the Top 50 this year as well. He would be an example of someone who has a large fanbase but little “buzz” in traditional mainstream sources. Rihanna is an example of the exact opposite. A lot of “buzz” that translates to disposable but highly popular singles but less committment to her overall work product. She does deserve credit for making it to five records. In her genre many of her competitors have come and gone already but she’s still relevant. Then again it’s a fake list? Maybe the above analysis is premature. :)

    That was a nice boost Carrie got from the CMA’s.

    I’m not a fan of Fantasia’s but she never has gotten the credit she deserved for being one of the few to make it to 3 records with her original label and her continued success in her own genre.

  28. Q3- if you want a more accurate comparison, you should take into account that Lee has only 1 version of his album on iTunes, while Kris had 2(the deluxe version was also charting).

  29. I could see it. Her last album came out last year and was not well received. For an established artist, people’s reaction to your last album impacts your first week’s sales.

    That makes sense. Thanks. I bet she’ll sell a boatload of singles no matter what anyway.

    HDD comes otu early sometimes but first thing in the morning? I don’t ever remember it being THAT early! But they could be real, perhaps it leaked. More numbers should pop up soon.

  30. Looks to me like those sales predictions were taken from this article vs HHD one-day forecast. I cannot find original source for this article. Just copies on a lot of Rihanna threads with people not happy about the low number for her.

    JOSH GROBAN AND RASCAL FLATTS GO HEAD-TO-HEAD

    November 17, 2010

    It’s opera vs. country for next week’s chart, as Josh Groban will battle it out against Rascal Flatts for #1 on next week’s HITS Album sales chart.

    Look for Groban’s newest Warner Bros. album, Illuminations, to keep on giving for the holidays, after debuting this week with 350-400k, which would put him neck-and-neck for the top spot alongside the debut of Rascal Flatt’s newest Big Machine album, Nothing Like This.

    Rascal Flatts’ album should benefit from scheduled late night tv performances, while Groban’s album is a certain stocking-stuffer as we head into the teeth of the gifting season.

    …..

    The market was down 6% vs. last week, down 21% vs. same week last year and still down 13% year to date.

    Most important number buried at the end of that article — last week album sales were down 21% vs. last year!! That is units, not sales and margin dollars! Average sale price is down even more — making revenue down 29% last week! Yipes!

    And I think RF will knock off Josh Groban :) — of course I am not buying either!

  31. The #5 album on iTunes ( A Day to Remember) is predicted by HDD to sell 50K so that could be in the ballpark for Lee as well.

  32. I like Rihanna’s album better than previous, I’m a little surprised at her numbers. She’s had a great press, lots of promo. SNL a few weeks ago. She looks to have an opening week like Katy. She had a one year quick turnaround too.

  33. luly:
    11/17/2010 at 11:12 am

    Q3- if you want a more accurate comparison, you should take into account that Lee has only 1 version of his album on iTunes, while Kris had 2(the deluxe version was also charting).

    I think the iTunes chart positions don’t mean enough to really spend a lot of time comparing year-to-year — just happy that Lee is back in the Top 10 — because I think he needs to hit 15K digital to have a decent opening week. And when he was at #13-#16 yesterday on iTunes it didn’t look very good.

    The album market is collapsing. This year has Glee and Beatles. There are a is a lot of cheap product out there. And LIU CD is selling for $7.99 — 2 dollars less then iTunes. Too many new variables.

    Directionally, today is a good day for Lee — up on iTunes, up on Amazon and reports are the Walmart now has the CD out and for sale. :)

    ETA: JPFan — using ADTR as a benchmark makes sense. Hope they do 50K — good album!

  34. After Lee’s low single sales, I’d seriously be over the moon if he sells 50,000. I’ve never expected large sales numbers for him, for lots of reasons (not that I don’t think he deserves it, though)- but I’d sure be pleased if he has a good week.

  35. A josh Grobin fan here. I plan on buying his album and also want to get my hands on a physical copy of Adams acoustic. I guess I just love those big soaring voices. Folks who can sing anything from pop to light opera. I’ve watched Idol since season 1 so I guess I love cheese. I’m one senior who’s not into SuBo. Not a fan of Lee but I hope he sells at least as well as Kris did.

  36. FYE ended it’s run on the Billboard 200 at 50 weeks! It is a nice round number! But that means no more weeks sales reports from Brian.

    Is it possible for an album dropped out of BB200 then back to the chart again?

  37. Apparently some Adam fans plan to buy multiple copies of his cd to “gift” to soldiers and childs in need, they are calling it “Operation Platinium” http://www.adamofficial.com/us/node/1810786

    Good luck with that, I think that’s one of the reason the Claymates became infamous back then.

  38. Valentin432:
    11/17/2010 at 11:55 am
    Apparently some Adam fans plan to buy multiple copies of his cd to “gift” to soldiers and childs in need, they are calling it “Operation Platinium” http://www.adamofficial.com/us/node/1810786
    Good luck with that, I think that’s one of the reason the Claymates became infamous back then.

    Valentin432, Gifting to the needy and sick is not a new idea with Idols. Kris fans not to long ago did the same with MusicCare for the sick children with cancer.

  39. Is it possible for an album dropped out of BB200 then back to the chart again?

    Unless they changed the rules I think so. I think Adam will be back the week they air his True Hollywood Story.

  40. Brian posted fye cd numbers. Up 4% this week. Brian commented that it probably just barely missed bb200

  41. Valentin, they aren’t just planning it, they apparently began more than a week ago. It dropped off the BB200 in spite of a full week of Operation Platinum efforts. They are doing all they can to get attention to it. Unfortunately, any sales jump he has will be undercut in people’s eyes because of the campaign, as it will be attributed to that. The new acoustic album will also cut into this effort.

  42. Is it possible for an album dropped out of BB200 then back to the chart again?

    Yes, but not typical, especially this time of year.

    Not an Adam fan, but kudos to him for staying in the BB200 so long- just shy of a year.

  43. Apparently some Adam fans plan to buy multiple copies of his cd to “gift” to soldiers and childs in need, they are calling it “Operation Platinium” http://www.adamofficial.com/us/node/1810786
    Good luck with that, I think that’s one of the reason the Claymates became infamous back then.

    That’s such a sweet thing to do. I think Kris fans did the same thing with MusicCares or some other group?

    ETA: Someone already beat me to it with the Kris comment!

  44. Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (3,000, +4%, 755,000)

    Yeah! It ‘s great to see his sales are stable.

  45. A josh Grobin fan here. I plan on buying his album and also want to get my hands on a physical copy of Adams acoustic. I guess I just love those big soaring voices.

    And singers who can actually sing on pitch! What was once taken for granted for pros has become a feat fewer can manage now.

  46. That’s such a sweet thing to do. I think Kris fans did the same thing with MusicCares or some other group?

    IKR!! Especially around the holidays. I saw on twitter that Lee fans were multi buying and gifting. Cook fans are ready for album #2 for the international fans. You know Crystal fans are right there. I guess the Claymates taught us well.

    ETA; Didn’t Kirsten already told us the numbers aren’t anything to lose sleep over.

  47. Unfortunately, any sales jump he has will be undercut in people’s eyes because of the campaign, as it will be attributed to that.

    I seriously doubt it will include that many sales or that anyone would care except people who follow Idol sales, really, really, really closely. This kind of stuff didn’t make a dent for Kris and it won’t for Adam either. IMO :)

  48. Valentin432, Gifting to the needy and sick is not a new idea with Idols. Kris fans not to long ago did the same with MusicCare for the sick children with cancer.

    I know it’s not a new idea, I just don’t think it’s a good idea, be it for Adam, Kris, Clay or anyone else. I think it’s crazy to buy multiple copies of the same album to gift with the goal being to drive up album sales artificially.

  49. Good luck with that, I think that’s one of the reason the Claymates became infamous back then.

    Ahh, the legendary Claymates. What exactly did they do? I didn’t follow any idols back then I have no idea. Were they the ones that kept Clay A’s career afloat for more than 6 years? You’d think it’s a good thing to have those passionate fans in an extremely short attention spanned idol world…

  50. Yay, good to see Adam continues to sell at a steady pace. I doubt that campaign will make much difference in sales or that it will matter as pointed out above. Love that he has increases occasionally. It will be interesting to see if E!’s THS will have an impact on sales. This and the acoustic EP might give enough of a boost to get back on the BB200. The EP might open some doors for TV appearances too(please!) and that always boosts sales. So I think FYE is not quite done yet.

  51. I know it’s not a new idea, I just don’t think it’s a good idea, be it for Adam, Kris, Clay or anyone else. I think it’s crazy to buy multiple copies of the same album to gift with the goal being to drive up album sales artificially.

    This has been done with EVERY Idol since the season 1, and it isn’t only Idol go take a look on the pulse boards with non Idols. American Idol didn’t invent this concept.

  52. I think it’s crazy to buy multiple copies of the same album to gift with the goal being to drive up album sales artificially.

    Which is why I doubt this “movement” is taken very seriously by the majority of Adam’s fans.

  53. Valentin432
    I know it’s not a new idea, I just don’t think it’s a good idea, be it for Adam, Kris, Clay or anyone else. I think it’s crazy to buy multiple copies of the same album to gift with the goal being to drive up album sales artificially.

    No, it’s not a good idea but fans of all the Idols do it, to some extent. My guess (for all Idols) is that it’s a fairly small percentage of fans buying multiple copies and their efforts don’t have much impact on sales. And seriously? Do you honestly think people outside of the AI bubble have a clue about this? It’s just not a big deal.

  54. Ahh, the legendary Claymates. What exactly did they do? I didn’t follow any idols back then I have no idea. Were they the ones that kept Clay A’s career afloat for more than 6 years? You’d think it’s a good thing to have those passionate fans in an extremely short attention spanned idol world…

    I think the Claymates helped Clay get his gig on Broadway, but they may have also played a role in radio insiders not taking him seriously, and not playing his music.

    Also, Clay’s inability to expand his base beyond them, has hurt him. As with other AI fan groups, because their main passion was Clay, and not his music, their numbers withered as the years went by, especially since the lack of airplay made it harder to follow his career.

  55. I’m not knocking Adam fans because I have no issues with donating to sick or needy people, but does anyone reaally think a campaign like this will truly get him to platinum here while hes currently selling 3,000 a week? You’re talking like 250,000 more sales being needed. I can see the E thing giving him a boost and if he gets Grammy nods then for sure a big boost but thats still a long way to go. I’d just be happy his CD sold as well as it did for so long.

    Ah the Claymates. A fascinating story. I was one for a long time so I think I have a good idea how they work. On one hand Clay himself deserves credit for selling as well as he did despite extremely limited airplay. But I do think his fans propped him up a lot. I know all fanbases do the multiple thing but Claymtes were in a whole other league. There was a board called the Clay Board and a thread that showed pictures of peoples rooms dedicated to Clay, one nut had possibly hundreds of multiples if various CDs and singles plastered across her wall like they were wallpaper :o And the absolutely hurt his chances at getting much radio play. Many DJ’s cited OTT Clay fans and their antics as turning them off.

  56. I know it’s not a new idea, I just don’t think it’s a good idea, be it for Adam, Kris, Clay or anyone else. I think it’s crazy to buy multiple copies of the same album to gift with the goal being to drive up album sales artificially.

    I agree. It’s a ridiculous idea.

    Here are a few fun “facts” to consider:

    1) The Idol you are doing this for probably made more last year than you will make in 10. They do not need your money. Buy the CD if you like it. Give it to a friend you think might like it because you know their taste. Do not try to artificially inflate sales.

    2) It’s a long way to platinum. There aren’t many people who are crazy enough to spend their money on things like that. Psycho fans will try to badger “true fans” into buying more, but most people are sane. These things usually only yield about 2K in CDs. Is that really worth it.

    3) Adam himself said that he would rather his fans give to real charities. He doesn’t need charity. Charities need charity. Giving to charity will help his career. Giving free silver frisbees to the troops will not.

    4) It may come as a suprise to many, but the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are not running around the desert carrying CD players and a collection of 100 CDs in their backpacks. They probably have an MP3 player and they probably have their own favourites they would rather have. A gift is something the receiver would want, not an opportunity to win a p!ssing match. Who are the fans really doing this for?

    5) Publicized bulk buying makes the entire fan group look insane and causes people to question the numbers at all. Save your fan group from mocking by doing sane things instead of things that are trademarked by the BSC.

  57. No, it’s not a good idea but fans of all the Idols do it, to some extent. My guess (for all Idols) is that it’s a fairly small percentage of fans buying multiple copies and their efforts don’t have much impact on sales. And seriously? Do you honestly think people outside of the AI bubble have a clue about this? It’s just not a big deal.

    I stumbled accross this on twitter and on mansfield blog, they want people to know about it, so someone “outside the bubble” could find it too.
    Idol fans have a bad reputation, I even read comments about them in music boards of different countries and it doesn’t help the idols credibility.

  58. Trina
    There was a board called the Clay Board and a thread that showed pictures of peoples rooms dedicated to Clay, one nut had possibly hundreds of multiples if various CDs and singles plastered across her wall like they were wallpaper.

    Bwah!

  59. I’m not knocking Adam fans because I have no issues with donating to sick or needy people, but does anyone reaally think a campaign like this will truly get him to platinum here while hes currently selling 3,000 a week?

    No, again I believe this is a very, very small portion of his fanbase that would even consider this. And really not necessary as he is doing very well worldwide. I think most fans are looking forward to the new EP and new album. I also believe he will have more television appearances beside THS that would have much more impact on his sales. If not he is still doing fantastically and so much better than I ever thought he would so no multiple buying for me.

  60. 5) Publicized bulk buying makes the entire fan group look insane and causes people to question the numbers at all. Save your fan group from mocking by doing sane things instead of things that are trademarked by the BSC.

    This. Someone wanted to do this type of campaign to get Kris to 500,000, but what would be the point. The goal should be to get 200,000 or more new people to buy the cd, not to have people who already own it to buy it. And even if this could be done, who would we be fooling? Everybody in the industry would know that it is fan driven, so they would just dismiss Kris just like they dismissed Clay.

  61. 4) It may come as a suprise to many, but the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are not running around the desert carrying CD players and a collection of 100 CDs in their backpacks. They probably have an MP3 player and they probably have their own favourites they would rather have. A gift is something the receiver would want, not an opportunity to win a p!ssing match. Who are the fans really doing this for?

    Ohh, then Adam fans lucked out because we received many handwritten letters from the troops overseas who received the CD’s thanking us for our gift. Some even send pictures posing with the CDs. Sometimes it is just nice to do something nice. heh

    ETA: Kirsten you make a few good points there. Maybe someone can copy and paste it and send out a memo. Maybe Idol fans will listen after 10yrs. NOT!

  62. Yep, all Idols have had fans try to do that and I’m sure plans are in the works for upcoming albums. Doesn’t make much of a difference because most fans ignore the effort. Read about this effort on twitter 3 or so weeks ago. Saw a little uptick on Adam’s itunes numbers and Amazon numbers last week, pretty much tied to the Pink/Adam mashup videos coming out.

    You’re right that the “gifting” thing isn’t exclusive to Idols though. Reading the pulse boards, I’ve seen it for lots of other artists. There are uber-invested fans all over, I guess.

    Excited he’s still selling steadily :)

    Brian didn’t have any numbers for Kris’s album??

  63. Some even send pictures posing with the CDs.

    Was that before or after the game of ultimate frisbee?

    If the gift of a CD is meant to be ultruistic, give them a gift card and let them pick the one they want. Feel free to make a suggestion. It’s impossible to guess what kind of CD somebody you don’t know the first thing about will want. Sure, you may get lucky and the odd person who might receive the CD might have wanted it, but use your money wisely and let everybody get the CD they want.

    Bonus: Sales of CDs on foreign military bases do count for US sales. Woo!

    Just say “No” to Bulk Buying Campaigns!

  64. Single numbers up!

    Jason Aldean w/Kelly Clarkson, Don’t You Wanna Stay (50,000, +89%, 76,000 total)
    Carrie Underwood, Mama’s Song (22,000, +70%, 174,000)
    Daughtry, September (15,000, -6%, 332,000)
    Adam Lambert, If I Had You (14,000, -17%, 638,000)
    Carrie Underwood, Undo It (12,000, +29%, 901,000)

    Additional track sales

    Carrie Underwood, Cowboy Casanova (5,000, +22, 1.516 million)
    Carrie Underwood, Temporary Home (4,000, +24%, 609,000)
    Jason Castro, You Are (2,000, debut, 2,000)
    Jason Castro, Hallelujah (Album Version) (1,000, +115%, 47,000)

  65. Jason Aldean w/Kelly Clarkson, Don’t You Wanna Stay (50,000, +89%, 76,000 total)

    That’s pretty impressive. Thanks for bringing them over.

  66. If the gift of a CD is meant to be ultruistic, give them a gift card and let them pick the one they want. Feel free to make a suggestion. It’s impossible to guess what kind of CD somebody you don’t know the first thing about will want. Sure, you may get lucky and the odd person who might receive the CD might have wanted it, but use your money wisely and let everybody get the CD they want.

    Adam has a lot fans that are in the Armed Forces. There are tons of them on his fan site. Males and females and oh they show up at his concerts too. So you see they know people who are serving that may want it and know who Adam is but can’t get it where they are at.

  67. “Gift” buying is nothing new under the sun for Idol fans. It’s been going on for years. It’s an Idol OTT staple that goes along with stalking following the Idol on tour, etc., etc. It never seems to add up to much though. I don’t think it’s limited to the Claymates but it is one of the reason Idol fans are seen as kind of crazy.

  68. So you see they know people who are serving that may want it and know who Adam is but can’t get it where they are at.

    That is going to be an unpleasant surprise for Soldiers’ Angels and Operation Gratitude, which have built care packages around iTunes gift card donations. If the soldiers can’t use them, that doesn’t make much sense.

    I personally know people who manage troop support initiatives, so I’ve seen the list of recommended gift items. Actual physical CDs are almost never included. Pick-your-own gift cards sometimes are.

    Kirsten is right. If one really wants to support the troops, or sick kids, or whomever, then give them the opportunity to pick out their own music. If that music happens to be FYE, LIU, or another AI album, great. But if it happens to be something completely different, then so be it.

  69. Adam has a lot fans that are in the Armed Forces. There are tons of them on his fan site. Males and females and oh they show up at his concerts too. So you see they know people who are serving that may want it and know who Adam is but can’t get it where they are at.

    I’m not saying he doesn’t have fans in the Armed Forces. If one of them says that they would like a CD and a nice person stateside sends it to them, that is great for all involved. Sending CDs to random GIs is likely to have a lot of collateral damage (i.e. only a percentage of random GIs will want the CD. Musical taste is very individual and I would never assume that a random person would share my taste).

    Just say “No” to Bulk Buying. Rarely effective. Always kooky.

  70. Sorry but I think it’s absurd to give strangers gifts of music you have no way of knowing they’ll like or not. It’s just as absurd to do it with your family and/or friends. You only give music if you know that the person wants it or is a fan. Idol fans “gift” music to jack up the sales.
    I think it’s also defended as some form of fan generated promotion but in the end everyone knows what it’s about.

    I’m sure some members of the Armed Forces would love the Rihanna album. Isn’t anybody interested in “gifting” that? ;)

  71. Seriously guys, Adam got like 80,000 casual fans visiting both his of official sites, I doubt 1-200 fans mean very much.

  72. In case anyone was in doubt, my comments were not meant to support bulk-buying campaigns – in fact, they were intended to show that the efforts so far, if they had any effect at all, have only produced an added hundred or so sales. These could also be attributed to the mashup videos just as easily. I was also trying to indicate that they make AL look bad, to the degree the campaign is known about, as it forever will raise doubt about the validity of the sales figures. Some fan bases try very hard to shoot this sort of thing down to avoid hurting the star they love. All do this to some degree, but this effort seems closer to Claymate territory in scope.

    If there are troops coming onto your board requesting the CD, it legitimizes sending them, just as requests from international fans who can’t otherwise get a CD legitimizes those. Sending to people who have not asked for them is quite another thing. They may thank you, but it may be because they appreciate any effort or attention directed their way, not because it was music they would have chosen. They could be being polite. I’m with Kirsten on this one.

  73. Sorry but I think it’s absurd to give strangers gifts of music you have no way of knowing they’ll like or not.

    I’m a huge Adam fan and I completely agree with this.

    Seriously guys, Adam got like 80,000 casual fans visiting both his of official sites, I doubt 1-200 fans mean very much.

    Yep, it’s just not a big deal. I don’t think it greatly increases the sales of ANY artist because, as someone said, most fans are sane enough not to feel the need to do this.

  74. Wonder if the iTunes album chart is stuck. I’m not seeing any change at all on my feed.

  75. I’m not saying he doesn’t have fans in the Armed Forces. If one of them says that they would like a CD and a nice person stateside sends it to them, that is great for all involved. Sending CDs to random GIs is likely to have a lot of collateral damage (i.e. only a percentage of random GIs will want the CD.

    Kirsten, Adam fans are VERY organized. One of the women who helps run and organize the effort is Artisupporter, The Doctor from Alaska who has several foundations of her own and who has been gifting or donating Adam, Danny, and Kris CD, videos, concert tickets and singles all year for whatever causes in their name.

  76. FWIW last year my kids school participated in a project where care packages were sent to the troops and one of the big things included was itunes gift cards. If youre going to gift them music that sounds like the best bet since they can buy what they want.

  77. Fullmoon, I am not sure how your post relates to what you quoted. No one said it wasn’t organized, but that these ‘gifts’ did not appear to fulfill a request from any of the recipients. They are made to pump up sales of the artist regardless of what the recipient wants. Would they send any other random music to unknown people? I doubt it.

  78. The Doctor from Alaska who has several foundations of her own and who has been gifting Adam, Danny, and Kris CD, videos and singles all year for whatever causes in their name

    Is it me or are there about 10,000 better things to do with your money than gift S8 Idol CDs, videos, singles to strangers? It’s sort of comical actually.

  79. I remember after Fantasia won, a friend who was obsessed with her single mother backstory gave me Fantasia’s CD for Christmas. I’d never for one second expressed an interest in her. In fact, I didn’t know who she was b/c I didn’t watch AI then.

    Um … thanks?

  80. Fullmoon, I am not sure how your post relates to what you quoted. No one said it wasn’t organized, but that these ‘gifts’ did not appear to fulfill a request from any of the recipients. They are made to pump up sales of the artist regardless of what the recipient wants. Would they send any other random music to unknown people? I doubt it.

    It is no different than Cook fans planning on multi purchasching for every family member to make sure album 2 has a great opening. It still benefits the artist. Call it whatever voodoo name you want the results is the same, And on Adam site there is a list of more than one organization whether you want to buy the CD or gift card it. Cherry picking one post doesn’t give you the full picture. People can do whatever they want with their time and money.

  81. Great single number for Kelly/Jason! I can’t believe IIHY is still selling this well considering how much radio dropped it. Can you imagine what it would be selling if the radio play had not dropped so drastically?

  82. Is it me or are there about 10,000 better things to do with your money than gift S8 Idol CDs, videos, singles to strangers? It’s sort of comical actually.

    o_O She’s a supporter of the arts – and focuses on a lot of different artists, and also does a lot of this support in conjunction with charity efforts. Yep, that’s a really crappy endeavor that is…

  83. Yep, that’s a really crappy endeavor that is…

    If she’s giving music to people who want it, more power to her. If she’s trying to jack up sales she’s nuts. And of course, people can do whatever they want with their money. And I can laugh at them. ;)

  84. butterbean:
    11/17/2010 at 1:11 pm
    Sorry but I think it’s absurd to give strangers gifts of music you have no way of knowing they’ll like or not.

    I’m a huge Adam fan and I completely agree with this.

    Ditto.
    I would never impose my musical taste on anyone, friend or stranger.
    I am a big Adam fan, but I have to agree that this bulk buying of his CD is sort of idiotic. Luckily it’s only a small group of his BSC fans…unfortunately it gives rest of the fans bad name.

  85. Never understood the point of charity gifting of albums. By all means send money, food, coats to people who need it, but an ALBUM??? Silly. Unfortunately, the habit is not limited to idol fans. I like the fact that Adam fans are gifting money to Donor’s Choose. Now that’s something I can get behind 1000%.

    Also, I’m an Adam fan, and I don’t do the bulk buying thing, and no other fan that I know of does it, either. When his ep comes out, I will download one for myself, and one for my kid’s best friend, who is a huge Adam fan, and that’s about it.

  86. o_O She’s a supporter of the arts – and focuses on a lot of different artists, and also does a lot of this support in conjunction with charity efforts. Yep, that’s a really crappy endeavor that is…

    Yeah and I believe two of her children are gay and so she supports also aids foundations. Since Danny is the one that is really into all the charity stuff maybe his fans have some great stories to share.

    lol, also if you read some of the funny Adam fans comments that they are all tapped out from spending on Adam all year. Some want to save their money for acoustic Adam.

    ETA: Agree Maury, These are same BSC fans who pull together and raised $500,000 for DC.org and last week raised $50,000 through Pennysilver Royal to DC.org. See, some BSC fans are useful.

  87. I remember her tweeting about placing an order for 1200 Kris cd’s one week. It was when Brian was reporting around 1k a week for Kris. Did those sales show up correctly, I have no idea. The whole thing is a bad idea IMO. Kris, Danny, Adam, whoever.

    I’ll be purchasing a few copies of the acoustic EP, to give as stocking stuffers to the two guys who attended the GNT tour with me. I would never give a cd to someone who wasn’t already a fan.

  88. And of course, people can do whatever they want with their money. And I can laugh at them.

    Amen to that. People have every right to spend their money exactly how they wish to. I also have every right to point at them and laugh :).

    I’ll ditto everything that Kirsten has said. And repeat – just say no to bulk buying.

    Kirsten did touch on one of my pet peeves about this whole coordinated bulk buying thing: the pressure to prove your “true fan-ness” by joining in the madness. I think some of the passive-aggressive posts related to these campaigns put undo guilt-trips on fans who may be in their own financially difficult situations.

    And yeah, there are tons of more worthy causes than spending your discretionary income “supporting” or “benefiting” an artist who’s already pulling in some pretty good coin. For instance, one could feed a hungry child. So by all means, spend your money artifically pumping up sales numbers. But every time I see it, and think of all the good that could be done with that money, I reserve the right to tell these bulk-buyers that their priorities are all fucked up.

  89. These are same BSC fans who pull together and raised $500,000 for DC.org and last week raised $50,000 through Pennysilver Royal do DC.org. See, some BSC fans are useful.

    Naaah. Plenty of fans gave to Donorschoose who would never think of buying multiple copies or bulk buying but donated because its a great charity that was brought to their attention because of Adam. It’s usually only a small number of people in each fanbase who try doing this. Most fans don’t pay these campaigns any attention.

  90. @jpfan, if true, smiley w/dropped jaw+furious smiley. That money could have saved lives. That money could have been spent supporting artists who don’t have $1,000,000 contracts w/Jive. I hope you’re wrong.

  91. I would hazard a guess that a very high percentage of Susan Boyle’s albums are purchased as that perfect gift for Grannie, Great Aunt Harriet, and Uncle (tone deaf) Archibald. The reason albums are released and sold before Christmas and Valentines Day is just for that reason. Maybe the AI fans are a bit more vocal about their intentions and the unltimate goal..but the practice of gifting a CD is as old a Methusala.

    Besides, out side of this very slippery idol bubble nobody gives much thought to album sales and numbers. They might “buy” an album if someone’s sales are good because that gives an impression the album is well liked…but other than that no one really cares if someone is still selling a year after the release date.

    I say…let fans have fun with their little fandom campaigns. And if you think that is causes negativity in the real world..so be it. I don’t think the real world cares one way or the other.

  92. The Doctor from Alaska who has several foundations of her own and who has been gifting Adam, Danny, and Kris CD, videos and singles all year for whatever causes in their name

    Is it me or are there about 10,000 better things to do with your money than gift S8 Idol CDs, videos, singles to strangers? It’s sort of comical actually.

    I think the big take-away from this whole conversation is to gift iTunes gift cards to the troops. Makes sense to me.

    People can do whatever they want with their time and money.

    Or that ;).

    It is no different than Cook fans planning on multi purchasching for every family member to make sure album 2 has a great opening. It still benefits the artist. Call it whatever voodoo name you want the results is the same, And on Adam site there is a list of more than one organization whether you want to buy the CD or gift card it.

    Gifting Cook’s CD to family members who don’t want it is pretty lame as well (um… they’re your FAMILY– that relationship matters more than the imaginary one you have with David Cook, get them what they want!), but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt that perhaps some fans have reason to believe these family members they know might enjoy Cook’s CD… Sending CDs to organizations and strangers seems way more of a crapshoot. How do you know if these anonymous troops even like that kind of music? Back to my first point. Donate iTunes gift cards! I love getting iTunes gift cards for Christmas, thank yous, etc. I load it all to my account and use it for whatever I want all year.

  93. It is no different than Cook fans planning on multi purchasching for every family member to make sure album 2 has a great opening. It still benefits the artist. Call it whatever voodoo name you want the results is the same, And on Adam site there is a list of more than one organization whether you want to buy the CD or gift card it. Cherry picking one post doesn’t give you the full picture.

    I don’t cherry pick. I campaign against bulk buying campaigns every single time I see them. They are useless, innefective, annoying and manipulative.

    One person choosing to send CDs to somebody who may not want one is bad enough, but these bulk buying campaigns crank it up a notch. They try to guilt and cajole others into doing that and talk about “true” fans. That kind of carp just annoys the living carp out of me.

    People can donate what they want, but I think more highly of people who donate things that the receivers want and/or need. Sending CDs to random troops is the equivalent of dumping off your old moldy couch at the Goodwill or out of date food at the food bank. They can’t use it and now they have to pay somebody to haul it to the dump.

    I remember after Fantasia won, a friend who was obsessed with her single mother backstory gave me Fantasia’s CD for Christmas. I’d never for one second expressed an interest in her. In fact, I didn’t know who she was b/c I didn’t watch AI then.

    I remember a poster here whose co-worker handed out Taylor Hick’s CDs to everybody who worked with her. The poster was a Daughtry fan, so she exchanged it for a U2 CD. I think that people returning unwanted Hick’s CDs after Christmas is one of the reasons his CD sales cratered that week. Some Claymates were “smart”. They wrote on the CD covers with indelible ink so that the receivers were forced to keep the “gift”.

    I remember her tweeting about placing an order for 1200 Kris cd’s one week. It was when Brian was reporting around 1k a week for Kris. Did those sales show up correctly, I have no idea

    If she purchased more than 8-10 copies herself at a time, they did not count. SoundScan determines that is an attempt to manipulate the numbers and those sales are not counted in the final total. Fred over at Billboard wrote a column about that a while ago.

  94. Naaah. Plenty of fans gave to Donorschoose who would never think of buying multiple copies or bulk buying because its a great charity. It’s usually only a small number of people in each fanbase who try doing this. Most fans don’t pay these campaigns any attention.

    True,and I happened to be one of them. I have never got involved in bulk buying, but I don’t knock or laugh at those who do, I have many family members in the Armed Forces and I know the income they make and trust me is not a whole lot. So when holidays roll around I send them boxes of whatever they ask me to send them, I do throw in there a few CD’s or gift cards, whatever they want. If I buy CD’s for them some artist out there is benefiting from my $$$.

  95. Kirsten did touch on one of my pet peeves about this whole coordinated bulk buying thing: the pressure to prove your “true fan-ness” by joining in the madness. I think some of the passive-aggressive posts related to these campaigns put undo guilt-trips on fans who may be in their own financially difficult situations.

    Yep. I really, really hate that aspect of the Bulk Buying Campaigns.

  96. LOL the year DCTR came out one of my aunts gave me his CD as a Xmas gift (she also gifted it to a cousin who loved him on AI) but I was just thinking to myself UM seriously WTF? You now I’m a huge, huge fan, and I’m a big music buyer. Like I didnt buy it myself sooner? Said aunt also gave me Jordin’s first CD for Xmas one year because she assumed I would want it. I’m sure LOTS of Idol CD’s are given as token gifts to people who simply watch the show.

  97. I’m a huge Cook fan, but I knew better than to buy his CD for anyone but my sister. My brother would probably laugh at me – he’s a major music snob and would probably not even give it a chance. My parents and in-laws would likewise not be suitable. My sister I thought would enjoy it, so she got one. To me, that makes sense – buy for either known fans or people you have good reason to think will share your taste. Don’t bother with strangers.

  98. Yep. I really, really hate that aspect of the Bulk Buying Campaigns.

    After reading the last 2 pages.. this (with my edit) pretty much sums it up.

  99. I think some of the passive-aggressive posts related to these campaigns put undo guilt-trips on fans who may be in their own financially difficult situations.

    Anybody that gets pressured to feel guilty about doing anything in life has issues of their own. No one can tell me or make me feel like I need to do something I don’t want to do. My dear hubby can attest to that.lol

  100. Anybody that gets pressured to feel guilty about doing anything in life has issues of their own. No one can tell me or make me feel like I need to do something I don’t want to do. My dear hubby can attest to that.lol

    LOL

    Because when I am off my computer I really do obsess about what is written on fan boards. ;)

  101. iTunes chart position for Lee’s songs –

    Beautiful Like You – #366
    Sweet Serendipity – #400 (single) and #645 (album)
    Live It Up – #576
    Me and My Jealousy – #961

    I guess the chart position for Sweet Serendipity is lower because thre are two entries, but it’s interesting that Beautiful Like You is higher at this moment. Seems that Beautiful Like You is a song that chimes with people, so perhaps the choice for his next single.

  102. Kirsten you might want to add these additional numbers of Brian’s to your header post:

    Carrie Underwood, Some Hearts (3,000, +12%, 7.039 million)
    Carrie Underwood, Carnival Ride (2,000, +8%, 3.138 million)
    Adam Lambert, For Your Entertainment (3,000, +4%, 755,000)
    Elvis Presley, Elvis Presley Christmas Duets (feat. Carrie Underwood on I’ll Be Home for Christmas) (2,000, +66%, 420,000)

    There are also a bunch of idol-related albums he added. Don’t know if you want those too…

  103. I’m a huge Cook fan, but I knew better than to buy his CD for anyone but my sister.

    I’m a huge Cook fan, and I always gift friends/family (sounding like a broken record) iTunes gift cards unless they specifically asked for a certain CD, or there’s a certain CD I’m 90% certain they’d love, because as much as I love Cook, I love the people I know in real life more, and I want them to get what they want. Otherwise, what kind of gift is that?

  104. Those 3,000 people who hadn’t got around to it bought Some Hearts this week. ;)

  105. I think the big take-away from this whole conversation is to gift iTunes gift cards to the troops. Makes sense to me.

    Allow me to add to your take-away, if I may :). I think the bottom line, if you want to send things to the troops, is to give them what they ASK FOR. Go ahead and google “troops care packages” or something similar, and a multitude of fabulous organizations will show up that do this very thing. You’ll have lots of choices on what to send and who to send it to. This one is my personal favorite.

    Anybody that gets pressured to feel guilty about doing anything in life has issues of their own. No one can tell me or make me feel like I need to do something I don’t want to do.

    It’s good to know you feel that way. I do too. My problem is though, there are a lot of lonely people who spend a lot of time on fanboards and such. A lot of people who may not be as strong as others. Odds are, some of these weaker-willed people may be visiting your fan board. So, while you may not feel the pressure, they do. And many of them act on it in an effort to fit in, or out of some misplaced guilt. The people who create and rah rah these campaigns may be okay with living with that on their conscious. I’m just saying that I would not.

  106. If the gift of a CD is meant to be ultruistic, give them a gift card and let them pick the one they want. Feel free to make a suggestion. It’s impossible to guess what kind of CD somebody you don’t know the first thing about will want. Sure, you may get lucky and the odd person who might receive the CD might have wanted it, but use your money wisely and let everybody get the CD they want.

    Bonus: Sales of CDs on foreign military bases do count for US sales. Woo!

    Just say “No” to Bulk Buying Campaigns!

    Kirsten is right. If one really wants to support the troops, or sick kids, or whomever, then give them the opportunity to pick out their own music. If that music happens to be FYE, LIU, or another AI album, great. But if it happens to be something completely different, then so be it.

    Sending CDs to random GIs is likely to have a lot of collateral damage (i.e. only a percentage of random GIs will want the CD. Musical taste is very individual and I would never assume that a random person would share my taste).

    Just say “No” to Bulk Buying. Rarely effective. Always kooky.

    TOTALLY agree with all of these comments. IMO, any of these bulk buying campaigns completely ignore the wishes of the recipients and are solely aimed at padding sales and trying to promote the fans’ favorites to random people, even seriously-ill children (which has no altruistic value whatsoever, and is actually quite selfish, IMO).

    I’m a huge Cook fan, and I always gift friends/family (sounding like a broken record) iTunes gift cards unless they specifically asked for a certain CD, or there’s a certain CD I’m 90% certain they’d love, because as much as I love Cook, I love the people I know in real life more, and I want them to get what they want. Otherwise, what kind of gift is that?

    For the Idol fans who engage in these bulk buying campaigns, it extends to also promoting the Idol to potential non-fans.

  107. This is an interesting and lively conversation here today. I consider myself an “uber-Adam-fan” (just a hair below BSC :))and I don’t give these bulk buying campaigns a second thought. My feeling is that a very small number of peeps would do this, although I may be wrong. We “uber-fans” know that Adam himself would never approve of this – I believe I’ve even read where he doesn’t get fans going to multiple concerts, autograph-seeking, etc. I’m just thrilled about all the new goodies he’s putting out there for us and looking forward to the new CD. Dear Santa: I want a new t-shirt for Christmas with the cover from Adam’s new EP on it :)

  108. Musical taste is very individual and I would never assume that a random person would share my taste).

    Or family members unless you know their taste in music really well. I feel for those 8,000,000 million people who got SuBo CD as a Christmas gift from all the impulse buying. You know no one listened to it before buying it.

  109. OMG, X-mas is coming. I have to warn my nieces again :no SuBO..no Taylor Swift…make me happy, get me I-tunes gift card. Yes, your ancient aunt owns IPod…

  110. I have been a big idol fan of jason castro, david cook, and adam.i have bought multiple copies of their cds for myself. Usually a digital copy and a physical cd.i never randomly gift music because it is too personal. You really should know the person. As for Artistsupporter, she is a great lady. She does more with her blessings than most people I know. Her support of musicians is just a really small thing. I really think that making value judgments about how money could be better spent is silly. Even of we are not wealthy we do frivolous fun laughable things with our money all the time.its not just rich people who could be helping a hungry child. Ok back to Adam.i am totally spending my money on at least two of his EP.:)

  111. Very few fans indulge this way. Yes, Twitter folk are pressuring fans to buy Kris’s single or Adam’s cd etc, but I don’t think it makes a difference to the real numbers. Look at Adam’s sales this week: He sold 3000, what he’s been selling for weeks now, despite the campaign some BSC fans started. People have been pushing Kris’s AWM hard on my feed, but I doubt very much that they affected the sales numbers. FYE has been out a year, and its sales are not going to improve. AWM’s sales will respond to radio spins, not to a twitter campaign. People who really think that they can push FYE to platinum in one week, or shove AWM to top ten on itunes are reality challenged. I think most people know instinctively what makes sense and what doesn’t, and are smart enough to spend their money wisely.

  112. Or family members unless you know their taste in music really well. I feel for those 8,000,000 million people who got SuBo CD as a Christmas gift from all the impulse buying. You know no one listened to it before buying it.

    OMG, I would cut them if someone bought me SuBo, lol. Years ago, one of my classmates bought me a William Hung CD as a gag gift because we could not stop laughing after seeing his hilarious audition after someone from school sent it around (this was before youtube, when videos went “viral” when people emailed it!). I almost kicked him in the face, lol. I still have that CD somewhere, btw. It’s… as bad as expected. I believe he sold quite a few records? Probably to people like my stupid friend (who I’m still friends with, unfortunately =P).

    ETA: SpenserJ, I checked out that anysoldier.com website you linked. Looks pretty interesting– will have to check it out more when I have more time. So it’s legit? A good organization?

  113. You’re giving Clay Aiken fans too much credit. The buying of multiple CDs go back to Kelly Clarkson fans as well, and every other idol fan since then. At least the Kelly and Clay fans were new to the game and had no one to learn from back then. Nowadays there is no excuse.

  114. For the Idol fans who engage in these bulk buying campaigns, it extends to also promoting the Idol to potential non-fans.

    Ugh. I hate it when people “evangelize” to me about ANYTHING, so I also cannot stand it when I hear stories of Cook fans evangelizing to their friends/family, etc. about the awesomeness that is Cook, because I know how I would react if I were the target of such evangelizing for some random musical artist: I would cross the street and run the other way if I ever spotted said musical artist on the street (or their CD at Best Buy or their show promoted on Live Nation).

    Funny thing is that the Cook fans who tell these stories about evangelizing to their families almost always follow up their stories with a comment about how their sons, daughters, nephews, nieces, husbands, etc. roll their eyes whenever they mention Cook! O Rly? Wow, would never have expected that!

    Just saying that if anyone gifted me a CD of some artist that I had never expressed any interest in, I would be approximately 20,0000% exponentially more averse to giving that paricular artist’s music a chance than I would otherwise if people just didn’t push it so. damn. hard. Hate it!!

  115. I’m deleting my remark because I made some really silly assumptions. Can we blame it on a bad day at work?

  116. You’re giving Clay Aiken fans too much credit.

    I think that a larger proportion of Clay Aiken’s fans bought multiple CDs to help promote him to non-fans (because he didn’t get radioplay and because Clay encouraged fans to buy multiples himself).

  117. HDD sales predictions based on one-day sales:

    SIMON SAYS SMASH X 2
    Cowell Discoveries Susan Boyle and Newcomer Jackie Evancho Will Top Next Week’s Chart, with Nine Albums Overall in Six Figures

    Boyle looks like a repeat for the top spot, with an early projection of 300k+, based on one-day sales from those music retailers who haven’t turned in their leases for yogurt franchises.

    The remarkable Evancho is the big story, as the diminutive operatic crooner bests all prognostications with 270-290k in first-week sales, good for #2 on next week’s chart.

    LaFace/JLG stalwart Pink’s Greatest Hits is one of three albums set to do 40-45k, along with 19/RCA/RMG American Idol winner Lee Dewyze and Six Steps’ Dove award-winning Christian artist Chris Tomlin.

    Read more at Hits Daily Double

  118. Maybe Lee’s album might sell more over time, if he has at least one single that does well?

  119. WTF at SuBo being in the lead to repeat at #1 with 300k+. How?? Impressive numbers for Jackie Evancho too.

    Lee’s at about what people here were expecting.

    I just realized this means America’s Got Talent’s runner up is selling more than AI’s winner this year. Gulp.

    I think Rascal Flatts will probably sell more than Keith Urban this week but I’d rather Keith sell more. I don’t like the song Keith’s got out now but he made the better album.

  120. Honestly I’m not even sure what sales numbers mean in this industry. The downward sales are hard to grasp. I think we’ll have to have a larger view going forward… to include final single sales, tour sale, etc.

  121. I just realized this means America’s Got Talent’s runner up is going selling more than AI’s winner this year. Gulp.

    Jackie is sort of like Subo with training wheels.

  122. Reminder:

    Please please please please do not cut and paste entire articles into comments!

    Cut and paste a snip..and post a link.

  123. DC.org is a website not a charity – why would people give $500,000 to a website.

    I assumed they were referring to DonorsChoose; the money raised for that charity is primarily from online donations, as I understand.

    As much as I object to bulk buying and all sorts of other BSC behavior, I have consistently given Lambert and his fans props for supporting and donating to a worthy cause like DonorsChoose. That’s a positive use of fan energy.

    I do recall something about donations through a jewelry sale that also raised money for his DonorsChoose drive.

    Upshot: DonorsChoose is great. Bulk buying CDs when there are worthy charities for soldiers or sick kids that help them get exactly what they need is not.

    I just realized this means America’s Got Talent’s runner up is going selling more than AI’s winner this year. Gulp.

    Wow.

  124. Maybe Lee’s album might sell more over time, if he has at least one single that does well?

    It didn’t work too well with Kris who has LLWD as a platinum selling single.

  125. WTF at SuBo being in the lead to repeat at #1 with 300k+. How??

    SuBo’s CD is mainly Xmas songs, so I expect her sales to be very good and even increase as Xmas approaches, same with Evancho (just like Bocelli and Groban’s Xmas CDs in previous years).

    I’m impressed by Jackie Evancho’s numbers, but she was on Oprah and The View, and I think the low price ($7.00) helps her sales (same with SuBo’s CD which is still discounted on Amazon.com to $7.99).

  126. That’s pretty much what people were expecting. Oh well. I always prepare for the worst. Holy shit though at Jackie and Susan! Another 300k omg insane. She’s gonna be laughing, again, all the way to the bank.

  127. Looks like Rihanna’s fans aren’t going to be much happier with the real predictions. Simon Cowell’s projects are going to add fuel to the expected war with Simon Fuller. Those numbers for each of his signed contestants are what Idol alums used to put up with their first week releases.

  128. Pennysilver Royal sells jewelry and gives to charity. I never heard that they raised that much money – can you find something that documents this.

    http://www.pennyroyalsilver.com/

    Adam Lambert- Infinity Pendant
    HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY RETIRED!
    From Sept 25th to October 31st, we sold 1,512 Infinity pendants and raised $43,092 for DonorsChoose.org.

  129. *looks at Lee’s projected debut sales*

    Well I know one former winner that is celebrating.

  130. A couple comments on Lee’s album launch —

    – iTunes looks really good finally! Once they ironed out the mess on iTunes and then his banners went up – LIU has been doing pretty well. I do not think that first 12 hours will hurt him very much if at all.

    – Walmart is a different matter — Lee does not have anything close to the Walmart presence that Kris and Adam had last year. Walmart is usually about 25% of Idol alum album sales – so this is disappointing.

    Walmart only has two slots for Lee’s disc in most stores – in the endcap, put 4 or 5 rows down — well below eye level. The CD was not in the hot new releases top rail only on one endcap.

    There is no Lee signage in Walmart — not when you walk in or in the music department. The remodeled Walmart locations have a reduced footprint music department and there is no Soundcheck video monitors in these stores. About 1,900 of the 3,541 US stores have this format — over 1,000 more than last year.

    Finally — without eye level endcap placement, the brown cover on Lee’s album just blends into the sea of other CDs. IMO it is hard to find.

    Looks like FYE IS NOT IN WALMART STORES ANYMORE. :(

    – Had to happen at some point and it is not surprising — but the FYE CD is not in the Walmart assortment in the South anymore. It was gone in the North for a couple of weeks. But the good news is Take One is gone too!

  131. Well, congratulations to Kris for not being the lowest AI winner debut ever, but seriously, Lee’s dismal numbers aren’t good news for anyone in the franchise. AI is no longer relevant and AI artists in general will not be given as many opportunities. So AI alum coming out with future albums will have a more uphill battle unless their name is Carrie/Kelly/Daughtry.

  132. SuBo! She is Cowell’s international/global superstar find. Heh. So many people predicted she’d be a one hit wonder last year. Guess she proved them wrong. Makes you wonder about what Cowell said on Idol about appearance/being contemporary/relevant. SuBo’s been able to be success w/o radio and has also clearly connected with a fanbase and her name is well known for sure.

    Evancho surprises me.

    While I wasn’t expecting much for his sales, I’m still surprised… Maybe LDO sales will help sell over 50K. Good news for DeWyze is that next week is a holiday week and the headlines will be about the Beatles and Black Friday sales — and SuBo, of course.

  133. I assumed they were referring to DonorsChoose; the money raised for that charity is primarily from online donations, as I understand.

    LOL thanks so much for correcting me. Paint my face red. I see DC and I think David Cook and there is a davidcook.org website.

    I think Donor’s Choose is a great charity. And I think the work that Adam’s fans did in raising money for that organization is great.

  134. Lee’s opening numbers are low- he would probably need several hits in order to end up having a good total sales. I think it will all come down to radioplay and single choices and promo.

  135. Well, congratulations to Kris for not being the lowest AI winner debut ever

    Kris’s #s last year look fabulous in comparison to Lee right now. I’m interested to see what happens with Crystal in a couple of weeks as well as Casey when his album finally comes out.

  136. ETA: SpenserJ, I checked out that anysoldier.com website you linked. Looks pretty interesting– will have to check it out more when I have more time. So it’s legit? A good organization?

    Yes. They have a very good reputation. I’ve received thank you notes for everything I’ve sent through them, and I know several other people who’ve used it as well. I can attest that the stuff actually gets to the soldiers in the field.

    As for Artistsupporter, she is a great lady. She does more with her blessings than most people I know. Her support of musicians is just a really small thing. I really think that making value judgments about how money could be better spent is silly. Even of we are not wealthy we do frivolous fun laughable things with our money all the time.its not just rich people who could be helping a hungry child.

    For the record, I wasn’t making a value judgement about Artistsupporter. I wasn’t even talking about her. I can see that she legitimately supports the arts. I was refering to people wasting their money to pump up sales numbers. At any rate, I’ve already given more than my 2 cents on that subject :).

    Dang – jpfan’s crystal ball is in full force this year. I think that’s about the 4th time jpfan has correctly predicted someone’s sales numbers recently LOL. Koshka – you were right on the money too!

    I guess those numbers were to be expected with Lee’s lack of buzz. I haven’t listened to any of his music, so I have no prediction on where he’ll go from here. For his own sake, he better at least sell a bunch of singles.

  137. fuzzywuzzy: SuBo’s CD is mainly Xmas songs, so I expect her sales to be very good and even increase as Xmas approaches, same with Evancho (just like Bocelli and Groban’s Xmas CDs in previous years).

    I’m impressed by Jackie Evancho’s numbers, but she was on Oprah and The View, and I think the low price ($7.00) helps her sales (same with SuBo’s CD which is still discounted on Amazon.com to $7.99).

    Thanks. I guess I just didn’t expect the Xmas effect to kick in for SuBo until next week with Black Friday. Did SuBo do any promo this week? I figured SuBo would def go platinum and do well just not this well her 2nd week out.

    I was gonna ask about Jackie Evancho and promo so thanks for that info :)

  138. I never liked Lee so I can’t say that I’m shocked (or disappointed) with this numbers. Season 9 was my least favorite of all the seasons (and Lee is my least favorite winner) and it appears that that sentiment is shared by many others considering his sales.

  139. By now, SONY must be very good at predicting sales of any Idol CD from presales, and that will impact the amount of $$ spent on promotion. Lee’s predicted first week sales are about what I expected.

  140. The numbers for that AGT kid are crazy. Simon Cowell’s shlock is totally destroying Idol music in the marketplace. I called it 45K for Lee. The scary thing is next week. What’s going to maintain Lee’s sales once the core fans are done?

    This ain’t my first time at the rodeo when it comes to predicting Idol sales. ;) I have no idea how Crystal will do however. I’m open to surprises.

  141. Well the last contestant to come anywhere close to 300k was David and he pretty much had the perfect storm of luck, a big fanbase, and a good launch fall into his lap. Lee didn’t have half of what he got and RCA has botched his airplay launch. Jackie and Susan are proving that despite dwindling sales those numbers ARE possible. Maybe AI should start looking for an opera singer…

  142. Wow where did these numbers come from? DC.org is a website not a charity – why would people give $500,000 to a website. Pennysilver Royal sells jewelry and gives to charity. I never heard that they raised that much money – can you find something that documents this.

    I should have been clear. DC.org is DonorsChoose.org. An organization that support Performing Arts. They help fund musical instruments for needy schools who get affected by budget cuts.
    http://www.donorschoose.org/donors/viewChallenge.html?id=29310
    http://adamlambertfans.com/news/12411
    http://glamanila101010.multiply.com/
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/americanidoltracker/2010/02/adam-lambert-hand-delivers-supplies-to-needy-school.html

  143. Maybe AI should start looking for an opera singer…

    I’m pretty much expecting Jive to relaunch Archuleta’s Christmas CD.

  144. luvadamlambert:
    11/17/2010 at 3:54 pm

    Cant wait for the EP!

    I am really looking forward to it too! I don’t think it is going to be a huge seller or anything but it may be a reason to do some talk show promo and I love Adam on TV, lol. It has garnered an amazing amount of press but these are not new songs so I don’t know. It will be interesting to watch.

  145. I think the XXX Got Talent Contestants are very good at selling to peeps who buy albums once a year (maybe twice) and who haven’t figured out how to illegally download music yet. :p [prepares for barrage of angry posts from fans of SuBo and Jackie Urchin Girl]

  146. But the good news is Take One is gone too!

    Just in time for Take Two!

  147. Even if that’s true, those people used to be helping drive the sales of new Idol releases. They’ve obviously switched loyalties. I’d include the people who purchase Glee tunes in that category too.

  148. Those 3,000 people who hadn’t got around to it bought Some Hearts this week.

    I don’t know about other areas, but the stores around me seem to always have a few copies of this CD in stock, despite it being so old. Over other Idol releases that may be much newer, even. That’s gotta help.

    Just saying that if anyone gifted me a CD of some artist that I had never expressed any interest in, I would be approximately 20,0000% exponentially more averse to giving that paricular artist’s music a chance than I would otherwise if people just didn’t push it so. damn. hard. Hate it!!

    I get your point- those examples sound pretty bad, but honestly, my friends and I introduce each other to new music all the time, without “evangelizing” at all. A lot of times we do like what we introduce to each other, since we know each others’ taste. My cousin gave me the LCD Soundsystem CD a while ago when I’d never heard of them and now I love them. I got a Paper Tongues CD recently, and they’re not bad– I would check them out live maybe. I still prefer iTunes gift cards, but I think my friends/family mean well. For me, the way I show my friends music is pretty low key– I may send them youtube links, lend them a CD, play them a song, invite them to a concert, or make them a mix CD, which are all “free” for me. Only if I’m *really* sure they’ll like something, I may gift them a song on iTunes, like the time I gifted my friend Winter Song by Sara Bareilles and Ingrid Michaelson because I knew she was a big fan of both, would love the song and didn’t know about it yet.

    I just realized this means America’s Got Talent’s runner up is selling more than AI’s winner this year. Gulp.

    That makes me sad. Team Idol!

    I think Rascal Flatts will probably sell more than Keith Urban this week but I’d rather Keith sell more. I don’t like the song Keith’s got out now but he made the better album.

    Not a country fan, so my opinion may mean little, but I actually like some of Keith Urban’s stuff, and I cannot stand anything I’ve heard from RF… the voice, their music… it’s really grating.

  149. That number is not good for Lee or AI. At least Kris had a strong hit with LLWD, which is a good song but SS is not nearly as good a song, IMO. AWM is a better song than SS and it is not taking off YET (I still have hopes that AWM will catch). The key is the fan base off of Idol, that is what gives these contestants the edge and jumpstarts their careers really. Season 9 just did not have contestants that inspired that kind of passion. Season 10 really needs to bring it with some exciting contestants that are willing to take risks if TPTB want to regain some of AI’s former glory.

  150. SuBo and Jackie are anamolies in the music business…and their sales are pretty much what will be their share of the entertainment business monies. SuBo can’t tour, nor does she sell videos or ring-tones, nor is her music used for adverts or TV or film. These two are all about selling sentimentality…and the sad thing is the bulk of the money made from the album sales go to the label and not to the Artists.

    Their numbers are meaningless to me as part of the real world of recording artists…and I don’t think either one is going to be a major threat in the critic’s corner either. I also think that the money spent on these two wouldn’t translate into sales for other recordings. These aren’t music buyers…buying.

  151. Did SuBo do any promo this week?

    Can’t tell you what exactly, but yes. I was hanging out at my parents’ place much of last weekend and had the TV on in the background. I can’t tell you what channels or programs, but I definitely saw SuBo on my TV several times—interviews, entertainment news stories and the like. I had to explain briefly to my sister who that old lady in the unflattering dresses was.

    Thanks smallie, off to sample Winter Song. Love Sara B!

    sr4mjc, you’ll love it. I listen to it every year around this time. It makes me happy :). Also, the video is uber-adorable. I’ve sent that link to many of my friends.

  152. sr4mjc:
    11/17/2010 at 4:02 pm

    But the good news is Take One is gone too!

    Just in time for Take Two!

    Ugh! But this one supposedly has some Adam/Monte/Citizen Vein tunes so I might have to get this one. I know, bad fan, but I don’t think I will be able to resist this one.

  153. Updated the main post with the additional albums that Brian had. MJ has started a new post for HDD numbers.

    Elvis Presley “Elvis Presley Christmas Duets (feat. Carrie Underwood on I’ll Be Home for Christmas)” 2K (+66%) Total: 420K

    How can it be a duet if one of the persons singing was dead before the other was born? Man, I hate these attempts to cash in on dead singers. Fred Astaire being made to dance with a vacuum cleaner

  154. Aileen:
    11/17/2010 at 3:41 pm

    Well, congratulations to Kris for not being the lowest AI winner debut ever, but seriously, Lee’s dismal numbers aren’t good news for anyone in the franchise. AI is no longer relevant and AI artists in general will not be given as many opportunities. So AI alum coming out with future albums will have a more uphill battle unless their name is Carrie/Kelly/Daughtry.

    I also can’t see how what happens to Lee will have any effect on Adam either.

    AI9 was already written off as a “lost season” in the press. So if Lee only sells 45K on his first week, it will not be a big surprise. Pretty much is expected. But it will not be good for Kris — two similar artists who won Idol and had disappointing debuts. The two back-to-back has to make RCA/Jive question having 4 soft alt rock white guys from Idol — perhaps Cook and Daughtry are enough for the market?

    Lee’s opening numbers are low- he would probably need several hits in order to end up having a good total sales. I think it will all come down to radioplay and single choices and promo.

    As far as I can tell — RCA is not promoting Lee’s current single. And why would they start now?

    If he really opens at 40-45K, they may just cut their losses and stop investing the little they are in his promotion. I certainly do not expect RCA to invest $500K or more in radio promotion because they could never pay it off with album sales. Every Idol winner and almost every major label new release has the biggest sales week in week #1. If Lee comes in at 45K — then he will struggle to hit 200K in total album sales. That would only be about $1.2 million in wholesale revenue — with a $350K advance to Lee and all the album expenses — it will be a sea of red ink.

    Kris’ first week sales were 80K about 24% of his total. If Lee deliver 45K and it is 24% of total sales, total sales will be about 187K.

    Here’s some recent Idol debuts and percentage of sales in the first week. Really centers around 24% of sales in first week.

    Jordin sold 119K in the first week — 12% of total sales
    Cook did 280K in the first week — 22% of total
    Kris sold 80K in the first week — about 24% of total
    Archie sold 187K in the first week — 24% of total
    Adam did 198K in the first week — 26% of total*
    Allison sold 32K in the first week — 31% of total
    Danny Gokey sold 65K in the first week — 34% of total*
    Taylor Hicks sold 298K in the first week — 42% of total

    * Still selling enough units that it will drop more than others on list

    I did not include two albums with very different sales patterns that are not relevant to Lee’s debut sales — Daughtry (7% of sales in first week) and Carrie’s debuts (4% in first week). Even they could not replicate this on their follow-up albums. Although, “Play On” keeps selling and is bucking every trend in the music business — but not likely to hit 7xP like Carrie’s debut.

  155. I just realized this means America’s Got Talent’s runner up is selling more than AI’s winner this year. Gulp.

    She’s not only selling more than him. She’s kicking his sorry ass, predicted to sell 6x more than him. No matter how expected Lee’s numbers are, they are pretty bad.

    I can see Crystal selling more than Lee, if she gets a successful single. But she should release it soon, so it has time to get momentum before the album release, which is less than one month away.

  156. aa618892- AWM didn’t went for adds yet and I think that once Jive will start pushing it, AWM will take off and become a hit.

  157. Looks like FYE IS NOT IN WALMART STORES ANYMORE. :(

    – Had to happen at some point and it is not surprising — but the FYE CD is not in the Walmart assortment in the South anymore. It was gone in the North for a couple of weeks. But the good news is Take One is gone too!

    Not true here in Albuquerque. My sister went to our local WalMart and they must have gotten a shipment in. Their idol display featured about 10 copies each of Adam, Fantasia and Daughtry. They of course also had Lee’s album. I sent my sister to Walmart to buy Lee’s CD and told her to report back to me…lol. The Walmart only had one copy of Adam’s FYE a month ago when I sent my sister to pick me up another copy (mine was stuck in my car cd player when my car was executed by the bus and she couldn’t get it out)

  158. luly:
    11/17/2010 at 4:34 pm

    aa618892- AWM didn’t went for adds yet and I think that once Jive will start pushing it, AWM will take off and become a hit.

    This sounds exactly what the Archie fans said about Elevator and SBL, still hasn’t happened yet. According to Pulse, Jive has been lax about setting adds dates for more than Kris and Archie’s singles. The Ciara fans are pissed too.

  159. AWM didn’t went for adds yet and I think that once Jive will start pushing it, AWM will take off and become a hit.

    I think that any success for Kris’ AWM is pretty limited at this point. His tour is pretty much over, as well as his radio promo. Stations will be freezing their song lists pretty quickly and holiday music will take over. Besides, I hear more praise from Twitterers and concert goers about Kris’ covers than his own music…so I think that will be his staples for the jingle bally thingies. I think that Kris will now be buckling down to get things started for album #2…he needs something new and fresh to seperate himself from the pack of recent idol winners.

  160. So if Lee only sells 45K on his first week, it will not be a big surprise. Pretty much is expected. But it will not be good for Kris — two similar artists who won Idol and had disappointing debuts. The two back-to-back has to make RCA/Jive question having 4 soft alt rock white guys from Idol — perhaps Cook and Daughtry are enough for the market?

    Oh boy. Since you’re saying essentially the same thing you (?) said in yesterday’s headlines thread, I’ll dig up and edit what I said yesterday.

    A) Jive and RCA are both Sony, but they’re separate labels. What does Lee’s performance with RCA have to do with Kris’s position at Jive? I have no insight on how Jive views Kris. I just feel it has little to do with RCA’s roster or Daughtry, Cook and Lee. Am I wrong in my facts to say that Kris’ first album fared somewhat better than Jordin’s second- and much better than labelmate Archie’s second/third if you count Christmas music? I don’t know Jive’s roster that well, but shouldn’t we look at that, when reviewing Kris’ prospects, and not RCA’s?

    B) Most major labels have a TON of pop-rock acts on their roster, comprising mostly of “alt rock white guys”—I argue that Idol or not Idol shouldn’t matter that much, and Daughtry to Cook to Kris to Lee IMO do not occupy the same end of the “soft” spectrum. It’s a VERY large market, if you insist on lumping Kris with Daughtry, you’re essentially saying acts as divergent as Matt Nathanson or The Script share a market with Nickelback. (In my experience, not really the case). If you define the market that widely, plenty of labels have way more than 4 on their roster.

  161. This ain’t my first time at the rodeo when it comes to predicting Idol sales. ;) I have no idea how Crystal will do however. I’m open to surprises.

    I bow to your awesomeness. :D

  162. Kirsten:
    How can it be a duet if one of the persons singing was dead before the other was born? Man, I hate these attempts to cash in on dead singers.

    There are exceptions. I still like Natalie Cole’s “Unforgettable” duet with her father, Nat. But that was family, so maybe not the same thing as some of the other duets with the dead. Besides, I suspect Nat would have approved.

  163. I have no idea how Crystal will do however. I’m open to surprises.

    It’s hard to predict, but I think that Crystal may sell in the neighborhood of 35-40,000 her first week.

  164. Most major labels have a TON of pop-rock acts on their roster, comprising mostly of “alt rock white guys”—I argue that Idol or not Idol shouldn’t matter that much, and Daughtry to Cook to Kris to Lee IMO do not occupy the same end of the “soft” spectrum. It’s a VERY large market, if you insist on lumping Kris with Daughtry, you’re essentially saying acts as divergent as Matt Nathanson or The Script share a market with Nickelback. (In my experience, not really the case). If you define the market that widely, plenty of labels have way more than 4 on their roster.

    Just read this. ITA sma11ie.

    People who don’t watch Idol don’t know who these guys are period, and don’t even know they came from AI until after they grab attention for themselves, and even they might not find out for a while. Lee, Kris, Daughtry and Cookie are competing for a share of the pop/rock market with other pop/rock artists who sound similar to them and have product in the market at the same time. They do not compete with each other.

    Now THE SHOW might not want another male rock type to win, and I do agree that the Idol audience might be getting tired of seeing the same thing. Labels just want to sell records though.

  165. and Daughtry to Cook to Kris to Lee IMO do not occupy the same end of the “soft” spectrum.

    Exactly. I didn’t decide not to buy LD’s album because I thought it was too reminiscent of other AI acts whom I already liked (it wasn’t, at all). I decided not to buy it because it was too reminiscent of the Plain White Tees, whom I don’t like.

  166. sr4mjc
    But the good news is Take One is gone too! Just in time for Take Two!

    aa618892
    Ugh! But this one supposedly has some Adam/Monte/Citizen Vein tunes so I might have to get this one. I know, bad fan, but I don’t think I will be able to resist this one.

    If the speculation that Take Two has Citizen Vein songs is correct you can count me as a bad fan as well. I don’t think I could pass up good quality CV songs.

  167. If the speculation that Take Two has Citizen Vein songs is correct you can count me as a bad fan as well. I don’t think I could pass up good quality CV songs.

    Contemplating being bad fan as well. :/ Maybe I’ll wait and see if Adam makes any statement about it. I can always obtain by other means. *cough*

  168. Tess- he has radio shows coming(so his radio promo is not over) and he mentioned a video too and it is possible to push a song after the holidays freeze.
    AWM gets a great reception at the concerts and so does LLWD and other original songs. He will sing original songs during the radio promo, including AWM- he won’t be singing only covers.
    AWM is fresh and fun enough to be a hit imo. And him working on a second album doesn’t mean that AWM won’t be pushed.
    It is too earlly to know what will happen with AWM.

  169. If the speculation that Take Two has Citizen Vein songs is correct you can count me as a bad fan as well. I don’t think I could pass up good quality CV songs.

    If he’s going to get any royalties out of it, count me in. It may be the only Metal/Rock album we’ll ever get from Adam for years.

  170. I hear more praise from Twitterers and concert goers about Kris’ covers than his own music…so I think that will be his staples for the jingle bally thingies. I think that Kris will now be buckling down to get things started for album #2

    Well I’ve actually been following all of Kris’s performances & the responses have been overwhelmingly positive about his whole set ,from those who were not a fan before. LLWD has been a crowd pleaser & AWM & yes the covers go down well but not exclusively.
    You are right about getting down to finishing his album- Kris has already finished some songs & is excited about this 2nd album.

    Jive and RCA are both Sony, but they’re separate labels. What does Lee’s performance with RCA have to do with Kris’s position at Jive? I have no insight on how Jive views Kris. I just feel it has little to do with RCA’s roster or Daughtry, Cook and Lee. Am I wrong in my facts to say that Kris’ first album fared somewhat better than Jordin’s second- and much better than labelmate Archie’s second/third if you count Christmas music? I don’t know Jive’s roster that well, but shouldn’t we look at that, when reviewing Kris’ prospects, and not RCA’s?

    Thanks Smallie for putting some sane perspective on this. If people are going to compare with others why not generally those in the music business- compared to many others musicians these days Kris has actually done fairly well.

  171. Besides, I hear more praise from Twitterers and concert goers about Kris’ covers than his own music…

    No, not really. I don’t know how many Kris concerts you follow on twitter, but it’s probably not as many concert tweets as I look at. Yes, people who don’t know Kris will mention a cover more often than an original song of his, since they probably don’t know the name of the song. Tweets about Kris, the band & the performances are overwhelmingly positive.

    Smallie – very well said, and I do agree with your points. It’s a nonsensical argument that the marketplace or a label doesn’t have “room”. It comes down to performance relative to other acts on the label. Really, I think the *concern* that Lee’s sales will be bad for Kris is unnecessary.

  172. No matter how expected Lee’s numbers are, they are pretty bad.

    LOL, yes they’re bad. But, I expected bad. Mostly because I think Lee is a mediocre talent at best.

  173. I agree with those who said that there can be more than 4 pop-rock act in a label and especially in 2 separate labels. Pop-rock is a very wide range.

  174. I am curious about what the winner for this year will be with universal/interscope driving the ship. They have a pretty diverse artist stable, lots of RB, hip hop, and pop. So I am hopeful you will get a winner that clicks with people better. I love Adam but I was really annoyed that he did so much old stuff on Idol. He needs to be singing a much more contempory music(Fever is the most contempo song on his CD). That is what I am hoping for in his next album and what I am hoping for from this new group of Idol contestants. I would love for them to find a Drake or Bruno Mars. Some who can sing, who is contemporary, and who can really hit it big.

  175. I would love for them to find a Drake or Bruno Mars. Some who can sing, who is contemporary, and who can really hit it big.

    For a Drake or a Bruno to win the Idol demographic would have to change.

  176. So, people think that Kris, Daughtry, Cook and Lee are the only pop/rock artists at Sony, RCA and Jive. Okay.

    it makes sense that when Kris opens that the fans of the headliners would mention the songs that they actually know, but there has been more than enough evidence that the crowd has responded very well to his songs, and that recognition for and the response to LLWD has been very high.

  177. I don’t get why we are comparing Kris to 3 people that are on the RCA label. Did I miss something? I think we should just concern Kris with Jive not RCA.

  178. Fullmoon that is true but I think if Idol got the right sort of contestants and let them sing the right songs they could ditch the 50 plus demographic and attract new viewers.

  179. I would love for them to find a Drake or Bruno Mars. Some who can sing, who is contemporary, and who can really hit it big.

    Kris sold more during his debut week than Bruno did, and Lee might do the same thing. Both Kris and Lee have as much of a chance of hitting it big as Bruno does, and Bruno’s opening week numbers show that it takes more than just one hit to get people to buy your album. All three guys are just stating out, so who knows how their careers will unfold.

  180. Well, I’m back from travelling and back on the blog. Mixed feelings. Hurray for FYE going so long in the BB200 and still selling and the EP coming out! Angry again about Jive and AWM numbers – they are clearly not promoting it even the way they did with TT – no video, no add date. I get that the TT failed, but if only they’d done AWM instead. Navel gazing, but I’m in that kind of mood.

  181. I think that any success for Kris’ AWM is pretty limited at this point. His tour is pretty much over, as well as his radio promo.

    Just looking at today, Kris started the morning being interviewed on Ryan Seacrest’s widely syndicated radio show, performed at the KIIS sponsored purse event, performed and was interviewed for a segment of the nationally syndicated Extra, was interviewed by YoungHollywood, and will be interviewed by Lyndsey Parker for Yahoo Music. The purpose of all of this is to promote Alright With Me.

  182. Elliegrll:
    11/17/2010 at 6:05 pm
    Kris sold more during his debut week than Bruno did, and Lee might do the same thing. Both Kris and Lee have as much of a chance of hitting it big as Bruno does, and Bruno’s opening week numbers show that it takes more than just one hit to get people to buy your album. All three guys are just stating out, so who knows how their careers will unfold.

    Kris had a built in Idol base. That counts. Bruno didn’t have near the exposure that Kris did. he had collabs primarily with other artists and one hit song. So of course he didn’t sale the same as Kris. You still have to have a solid album to sale albums without a strong fan base. I sampled Bruno’s album and like some of the songs but not the whole thing so I will only be buying some of the songs as singles. But I am pretty sure that he will be getting lots of award show promo etc in the next year. I think if Bruno had had idol like exposure he would have had a huge debut.

    I think this discussion says a lot. Even with Idol, Kris sold 300K, Lee will sale what ever he sold. Without that exposure, these guys may not have made a dent on the music scene.

  183. Kris had a built in Idol base.

    Bruno had buzz, was featured on two huge hits that charted high on multiple formats, a single that was already in the top 20 on pop, and credit for his work as a producer. I’m not putting Bruno down, I think his opening numbers were great. Like Kris and Lee, he is a new artist, so to expect him to do more than that in the current market is silly. I also think it’s silly to say that he can hit it big, but Kris and Lee can’t. They are all in the same position, and all have to continue to produce hits if they want people to buy their music.

    I think this discussion says a lot. Even with Idol, Kris sold 300K, Lee will sale what ever he sold. Without that exposure, these guys may not have made a dent on the music scene.

    Without the buzz, Bruno wouldn’t have made a dent either. Nobody is going to make a dent without buzz and exposure.

  184. Elli, I didn’t say the others couldn’t go big. I said that if Bruno Mars had an Idol like platform he would have gone bigger. And collabs that say “main singer featuring x” don’t really help to build a fan base or sale albums. I heard those songs forever and just heard BOB and Travie McCoy as the artist thinking oh yeah some guy named Bruno Mars sings on it too. I didn’t really see bruno as an artist until Just The Way You Are. You can’t deny that 14 weeks of TV exposure to 20 million people doesn’t have some impact. Even if less than in years past.

  185. The purpose of all of this is to promote Alright With Me.

    Might have been more effective if Ryan or Kris had mentioned a single.

  186. For a Drake or a Bruno to win the Idol demographic would have to change.

    Would not mind having a Bruno type singer win…but Drake just NO!!!
    When he comes on the radio I have to turn it off. Sorry if you are a Drake fan.

  187. Fullmoon:
    11/17/2010 at 5:22 pm

    If the speculation that Take Two has Citizen Vein songs is correct you can count me as a bad fan as well. I don’t think I could pass up good quality CV songs.

    If he’s going to get any royalties out of it, count me in. It may be the only Metal/Rock album we’ll ever get from Adam for years.

    I am not a metal/rock fan but Adam’s vocals are awesome on these CV songs. I am really hoping for a Monte/Adam collaboration on the next album. The CV songs are actually quite good but Adam has really moved on musically.

  188. Idol needs a great vocalist to be the winner. Enough of this “artistry”. They need to be someone who can belt it out with the best of them. Find someone like that and first week sales will be good.

  189. A) Jive and RCA are both Sony, but they’re separate labels. What does Lee’s performance with RCA have to do with Kris’s position at Jive? I have no insight on how Jive views Kris. I just feel it has little to do with RCA’s roster or Daughtry, Cook and Lee. Am I wrong in my facts to say that Kris’ first album fared somewhat better than Jordin’s second- and much better than labelmate Archie’s second/third if you count Christmas music? I don’t know Jive’s roster that well, but shouldn’t we look at that, when reviewing Kris’ prospects, and not RCA’s?

    Jive is part of RCA/Jive Record Group — entire thing is run by Barry Weiss and has been consolidated to 2 years. Jive is a brand name and there are separate A&R teams but administrative and management function are the same.

    The record labels operate pretty simply — an artist gets to record one album and if it sells a lot and make them money, they will exercise their option to record a second album. If if doesn’t sell well, the label drops the artist. But some Idol alums have sold well and been dropped anyway — Taylor, Bo and Bucky were all dropped after actually pretty good sales. Sony knows that Idol debuts will sell better than follow-up albums — and they know it now more than ever.

    The decision to option the next album is a future forecast — not based on history alone. Question is what evidence is there that Kris would sell more than 500K on album #2? Could he sell 400K? Is there a way for the label to make money under his “winners” contract at 400K — probably not.

    I honestly hope that Kris gets another shot at an album but no one from Idol has sold 325K albums on their debut and gotten a second album from Sony. So there is no history of this happening.

    Note: I know that Danny is working on songs for his new album and they are planning it — but planning does not mean the budget is approved. Also, RCA Nashville did Danny’s album on a low budget. Not comparable to Kris.

    I think that RCA/Jive would have a reasonable belief in both Jordin and Archie before their last projects were approved.

    Jordin’s debut is US Platinum, sold 1.6 million worldwide, and produced 3 hit songs. Battlefield only sold 174K in the US but is selling internationally and produced an international hit. I do not know worldwide sales for it but hit #11 in UK, selling across Europe. Pretty sure it sold more worldwide than KATA.

    Archie — his first album sold 758K+ US and should be about 1 million worldwide, plus he had Crush which could be 2xP US now and looks to me like Jive has stopped promoting Archie’s latest album. He may get another album with Jive or not. I have seen nothing about it.

    B) Most major labels have a TON of pop-rock acts on their roster, comprising mostly of “alt rock white guys”—I argue that Idol or not Idol shouldn’t matter that much, and Daughtry to Cook to Kris to Lee IMO do not occupy the same end of the “soft” spectrum. It’s a VERY large market, if you insist on lumping Kris with Daughtry, you’re essentially saying acts as divergent as Matt Nathanson or The Script share a market with Nickelback. (In my experience, not really the case). If you define the market that widely, plenty of labels have way more than 4 on their roster.

    I do not think looking at the Jive roster will help much — because they manage project investment decisions at the RCA/Jive Group level. And Jive really doesn’t do rock music. Most of Jive artists are pop or urban artists.

    Major Jive rock and pop-rock artists with recent releases:
    Kris Allen
    Crystal Bowersox
    Allison Iraheta (dropped)

    Other Idol alums signed to Jive: Archie (pop), Jordin (R&B/Pop)

    Some of RCA Records Rock and Pop-Rock artists:
    Idols: Lee, Cook, Daughtry, Adam
    Foo Fighters
    Kasabian (US only)
    Kings of Leon
    Dave Mathews Band
    Velvet Revolver
    A number of classic rock artists like ZZ Top

    1. Idol alums clearly share fans. That is what the Idol franchise is based on.

    2. One factor in forecasting future album sales is looking at the success of similar artists — Alt rock — too many releases, very competitive, poor market. Even the major artists are struggling:

    Maroon 5 — huge hit single, established act, album not Platinum in US yet — not close.
    The Script — doing well in other countries, Platinum single in US, album not gold in US
    Escape the Fate and Matt & Kim had soft debuts.
    Etc.

    Daughtry’s album was one of the few new rock albums to sell Platinum released in 2009.

    I am thrilled that one of my favs “A Day to Remember” might open with 50K.

  190. Might have been more effective if Ryan or Kris had mentioned a single.

    Ryan brought it up at the beginning of the interview.

  191. IMO Bruno Mars’ album was not that good — why should it sell. He has a few good tracks and those sold.

    It will be interesting to see how Pink Friday does next week. Nicki Minaj has solid hits and it could come in around 150K-200K. Unless people just steal it.

  192. aa618892:

    I am not a metal/rock fan but Adam’s vocals are awesome on these CV songs. I am really hoping for a Monte/Adam collaboration on the next album. The CV songs are actually quite good but Adam has really moved on musically.

    I really hope for some Monte/Adam music on album #2 as well. Monte has stated in an interview that he and Adam were working on some stuff for it but Monte didn’t say it would be on there but hopes it would. Hopefully we get at least one :)

  193. O3 then why is Kris himself saying he is already working on his next album? Talking about how excited he is, etc. Just to waste time..lol For goodness sakes he already finished a few songs. Is it so hard to believe that Jive just might be happy with Kris?

  194. I honestly hope that Kris gets another shot at an album but no one from Idol has sold 325K albums on their debut and gotten a second album from Sony. So there is no history of this happening.

    I suppose if the industry hadn’t changed at all in the past ten years, especially with regard to album sales, maybe the historical record might mean something. But I am glad to hear you are hoping for Kris’ success.

  195. OMG. Dejavu again from yesterday’s thread. None of us know the plans of Jive or RCA, but the signs from Kris certainly look good for album #2.

  196. gangreen29:
    11/17/2010 at 6:47 pm

    Idol needs a great vocalist to be the winner. Enough of this “artistry”. They need to be someone who can belt it out with the best of them. Find someone like that and first week sales will be good.

    I hear you. No one even brought Kris name up. We were just speculating on what kind of artists we would like to see on Idol. Don’t get me wrong I have nothing against the Idols but I am ready for some flavor, some one who can blow the roof off the house.

  197. I honestly hope that Kris gets another shot at an album but no one from Idol has sold 325K albums on their debut and gotten a second album from Sony. So there is no history of this happening.

    There was no history of someone selling as few copies as Fantasia did of her debut album getting a second one, but she did. The same was true for Ruben and Jordin.

    Might have been more effective if Ryan or Kris had mentioned a single.

    Ryan brought it up twice, and mentioned that it is on itunes.

  198. I honestly hope that Kris gets another shot at an album but no one from Idol has sold 325K albums on their debut and gotten a second album from Sony. So there is no history of this happening.

    Having a platinum selling hit single helps-something that I believe the others didn’t have.

    At any rate, past Idol history won’t have anything to do with whether Kris gets to record a second album with Jive. If Jive is happy with Kris and wants to keep him around for album #2, they will. Bottom line.

    I have a feeling your hope for Kris will be realized.

    As for Lee, the opening week number looks pretty bad, but it’s not the end of the world. If his single turns out to be a hit, that could give him a boost. Maybe Black Friday will give the album a sales boost as well. I still remember some Taylor fans prematurely celebrating Jordin’s lower first week sales for her debut, thinking that the “lowest selling Idol winner” monkey would finally be off his back. Well, we all know how things turned out for Jordin. I don’t remember season six having a ton of positive “buzz” either, and Jordin did not have a massive Idol fanbase. Who knows what will happen with Lee? Anything’s possible and while I’m not much of a Lee fan, I would wait before declaring his album (and his career with RCA) DOA.

  199. I do not think looking at the Jive roster will help much — because they manage project investment decisions at the RCA/Jive Group level. And Jive really doesn’t do rock music. Most of Jive artists are pop or urban artists.

    Actually, that’s not true. The acts that have the most name recognition are pop and R&B artists, but Jive has quite a few pop/rock and rock acts. To name a few: Hot Chelle Rae, Ry Cumming, Atom Smash, the Backstreet Boys, Cage the Elephant, Marit Larsen, Sia, and Bullet for My Valentine.

  200. is it so hard to believe that Jive just might be happy with Kris

    Since Kris is selling less than 30% of what the previous 2 season winners did (with respect to album sales) so I think it’s a legitimate concern that the record label might not be happy with Kris – I think the onus is for Kris fans to provide evidences indicating Jive is “happy” and he is indeed working on a second album.

  201. At any rate, past Idol history won’t have anything to do with whether Kris gets to record a second album with Jive. If Jive is happy with Kris and wants to keep him around for album #2, they will. Bottom line.

    The only thing that will matter is whether or not Jive thinks they can make more money off of Kris, not whatever happened with former idol contestants.

  202. Bruno Mars’ album has been well reviewed. He has a metacritic score of 67. The album has buzz. If the album is not selling like Taylor Swift, its not a perception of low quality that’s the problem. It may be that some of the songs appeared on his EP earlier this year. Besides, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it on every HDD prediction since its been released, so I don’t think its left the top 50… I doubt its left the top 30/40. He is selling well for this market.

    There is no comparison between Bruno and Kris. Bruno Mars has written, produced and/or sang on multiple smashes. He is making a lot of money right now. Just comparing their album sales is not even remotely a fair comparison.

    Lee needs his single to pick up IMO. If it doesn’t, I don’t think that album will last long on the BB200. It could be gone by the end of February, if that long. If Crystal doesn’t do significantly better saleswise, then I think this will be the very first season of Idol where someone was not a big seller. It is not always the winner who is the smash. But SOMEONE makes some kind of splash every year. Wow.

  203. I think the onus is for Kris fans to provide evidences indicating Jive is “happy” and he is indeed working on a second album.

    LOL. The concern trolling is actually getting pretty ridiculous at this point.

    Anyway, I hope Lee does well. I’m not a fan of his, and I most likely won’t buy his CD, but I wish success for him and his fans.

  204. The only thing that will matter is whether or not Jive thinks they can make more money off of Kris, not whatever happened with former idol contestants.

    Exactly.

  205. Ryan brought it up at the beginning of the interview.

    Really? I listened and didn’t hear it mentioned. Just the tour and the bus but i didn’t hear the name of the song.

  206. I still remember some Taylor fans prematurely celebrating Jordin’s lower first week sales for her debut, thinking that the “lowest selling Idol winner” monkey would finally be off his back.

    LOL, that line made me chuckle. I think it is way too soon to say how Lee’s album will do. SS may be a slow starter but it could sill end up being a huge hit.

  207. Adam fell of the BB200 after 50 straight weeks on it.

    :-(

    I know I’m late but I just got home from traveling for work. Although after 50 weeks I should do: :-)

  208. Not every act or every song can be a hit. Some songs are only moderate success, but they are making money, whether it is profit or only retreving money spent. It is hit or miss with any song, depending on timing, beat, words, etc. Talent like Kris and Archie are not common. Both have 1 major thing going for them. They have potential. Both are inexperienced with the music industry and learning as they go. They can be shaped and molded to fit what the management companies want or expect from them as they learn. This is not to say they do not have a say in what happens. Both are good singers, naturally, and seeing what the industry is facing, neither of them are likely to be set free or dropped because sales are not what people think they should be.

  209. I think Bruno Mars has a great album. I am a big Archie fan but I like Bruno too. Archie always mentions in interviews that he likes Bruno’s album.

  210. They need to be someone who can belt it out with the best of them. Find someone like that and first week sales will be good.

    Sparks was considered a pretty good vocalist, and the girl can definitely belt. And her debut’s first week sales were widely considered anemic for 2007.

    It’s not a simple solution.

  211. Both have 1 major thing going for them. They have potential. Both are inexperienced with the music industry and learning as they go. They can be shaped and molded to fit what the management companies want or expect from them as they learn. This is not to say they do not have a say in what happens. Both are good singers, naturally, and seeing what the industry is facing, neither of them are likely to be set free or dropped because sales are not what people think they should be.

    The exact same thing could have been said about Allison. She’s younger than both of them and has a natural talent and awesome voice. Didn’t stop Jive from dropping her.

  212. Cage the Elephant, Marit Larsen, Sia, and Bullet for My Valentine.

    I didn’t know Sia was on the same label. She just tweeted Adam a few weeks ago that she wanted to do some songwriting with him. I love her work and was hoping they could make it happen.

  213. My gut feeling tells me that Jive hasn’t dropped Kris is partly because Kris can write and probably produce his own songs (if given the opportunity and time) and I’m guessing Jive had already heard some of the new songs that Kris (and his band, esp. Cale) had written thus far and like it. Another word, they already have some material for album #2 and I’m hopeful that Jive does see the true talent of Kris in this past year (hence no reason to drop him). Just my thoughts…

  214. “The exact same thing could have been said about Allison. She’s younger than both of them and has a natural talent and awesome voice. Didn’t stop Jive from dropping her.”

    Allison was lacking in both sales and industry personality. Perhaps Allison was too young to try and push the image she was going for.. IDK. I think she has strong rocker vocals and she gave me the “PINK” vibe, but something about her was out of place. I hope she can continue to work and grow musically. It’s tough being a female rocker.. very tough.

    I agree with Falfor’s comment “They [Kris/Archie] have potential. Both are inexperienced with the music industry and learning as they go. They can be shaped and molded to fit what the management companies want or expect from them as they learn.”

    I do believe Kris and David are incredibly talented and they have the potential to completely surprise us with upcoming albums.

  215. OZA902, I could not agree with you more about Allison, something was very lacking and out of place. Sorry CindyM. Jordan and David, although young, seem to have a sense of who they want to be and a need to grow to become those people. While Allison’s style of music was not to my taste, I agree, some of Allison’s singing was good, (did not like all of it). Allison, just seemed to want to put it out there and ‘damn the torpedos, full speed ahead.’ Attitude is everything. Allison will learn and mature and be back in the future. Female rockers are few and good ones are surely hard to come by.

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