Idol Headlines for 09/24/09

American Idol Star David Cook Interviewed, Hints at Latest Aspirations

LOS ANGELES – Fans of American Idol star David Cook will be happy to know he’s looking forward to a new album as much as they are. FOX’s Jill Dobson sat down with Cook, who talks about his ongoing world-wide tour and hints at some of his latest aspirations. David Cook on touring: “Best part’s waking up in a new city everyday. Worst part, I’m on a bus with a bunch of guys and have been since February and the bus smells terrible.”

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Meet Carrie Underwood’s “Cowboy Casanova” on Oct. 3

We already kind of know who he is. This snake with blue eyes who is kind of like a drug but is really candy-coated misery. He’s the one Carrie Underwood’s singing about in her latest hit, “Cowboy Casanova.” And the video is going to premiere on CMT on Oct. 2.

CMT

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Unconventional Blake Lewis coming to Novato

It was 28 months ago today that Blake Lewis, now 28, stood on stage at the Kodak Theatre in Hollywood and learned that he was ‘ ¦ not the Season 6 American Idol.

Press Democrat

Adam Lambert Udpate: More producers, More Tweets

There’s never been a contestant quite like Adam Lambert on “American Idol.” Actually, forget “Idol” ‘” there’s never been a major-label artist quite like Adam Lambert. So it’s understandable that “Idol” ‘” and music ‘” fans are clamoring for any and all tidbits they hear about his still-untitled 19 Recordings/RCA debut, which hits stores on November 24. On “Idol, ” Lambert proved that he could rock just as loud as Axl Rose and deliver vocals as tender as Jeff Buckley, while on the “American Idols Live!” tour, the “rock gawd” turned David Bowie’s “Fame” into a playful, sexual romp

MTV

Carrie Underwood heats it up in new promo pics

Sweet Carrie Underwood seems to be following in the footsteps of other pop-country acts like Faith Hill and Leann Rimes. Remember the fresh-faced and down-home country girl on American Idol? She switched from casual All-American Girl tees and jeans to polished and dramatic dresses (think her appearances on the ACMs and Oprah). Now she’s stepping into the spotlight with a new glam-rock style, judging from these pics from her upcoming Play On album.

Country-pop singers have a history of changing their style to match their star power. Rimes and Hill both opted for more sultry looks as their songs began to reach beyond the country audience.

Country Standard Time

Donnie Williams Wins Lionsgate/BET’s I Can Do Bad All By Myself Singing Contest

Former American Idol Finalist Donnie Williams Wins Grand Prize in Lionsgate/BET Network Sponsored Gospel & Blues Singing Contest, based on the current blockbuster hit film by Tyler Perry “I Can Do Bad All By Myself” while the singer prepares debut album Just Like Magic

September 23, 2009, Los Angeles, California ‘ Outshining hundreds of submissions Bay Area Vocalist Donnie Williams took home the Grand Prize during the Lionsgate/BET Networks 2009 Gospel & Blues Contest inspired by Tyler’s Perry current blockbuster smash “I Can Do Bad All By Myself” featuring Taraji P. Henson, Mary J. Blige and Gladys Night. Pastor Winans who served as a judge on the panel exclaimed that Donnie was “The Winner By Far!” Donnie sang his new single “Higher Power, ” reflecting upon his experience with alcohol and sobriety after the 2004 American Idol Finales, coincidentally paralleling the struggle of April’s character in the movie played by Taraji P. Henson.

Hip Hop Press

No time for negativity, Cook is rockin’ down his new path

More than a year after being crowned the “American Idol” winner, singer-songwriter David Cook still hasn’t had a chance to fully process the experience. But he’s sure glad to have been there.

“To be honest, I haven’t really stopped a whole lot to be analytical about it, ” says Cook, who performs with opener Tonic at 8 p.m. Saturday, Sept. 26, at Borgata.

“I had a great time on the show, ” he says. ” I made a lot of amazing friends with the contestants and the people behind the scenes. I don’t know if I would ever want to come back as a contestant, but I welcome the opportunity to come back and say hi.”

Press of Atlantic City

Volunteers Wrap to Benefit National Inclusion Project
09-24-2009

Raleigh, N.C. — The National Inclusion Project co-founded by Clay Aiken recently announced their 6th annual holiday gift-wrapping awareness campaign and fundraiser, Wrapping for Inclusion. The campaign will take place in shopping malls and stores across the country throughout the 2009 Holiday season.

Volunteers will wrap gifts in exchange for donations to the National Inclusion Project. Individuals of all abilities are encouraged to participate.

‘We are looking for volunteer wrappers throughout the holiday season to share their voice about the possibilities of inclusion. Schools and youth groups can make this an inclusive community service project by putting together teams of children with and without disabilities, ‘  said Diane Bubel, co-founder of the National Inclusion Project.

Carolina News Wire

‘Dancing With the Stars’ results: Double elimination

Well, we’ve finally reached the end of Season 9’s premiere week extravaganza, and I don’t think anyone can say they were surprised to learn Ashley Hamilton and Macy Gray had the lowest overall scores and were the first ones cut from the competition. Though, as host Tom Bergeron said, Macy Gray’s exit effectively ended the eccentric singer’s chances of being muted again on live television (thanks for all those who chimed in on what was blanked out). You pop your cherry, and then they never call you again.

LA Times

Karina Smirnoff Dances Naked for PETA

‘Dancing With the Stars’ professional Karina Smirnoff takes off all her clothes for a new PETA ad.

The campaign shows Karina dancing nude. “I’d rather dance naked than wear fur, ” the slogan reads.

“I did wear fur, especially when I was growing up in the Ukraine, ” Smirnoff says, Usmagazine.com reports. But she claims she stopped once she saw a video of baby seals being killed for their skin.

Popeater.com

“So You Think You Can Dance”: Bringing it in Beantown

It seems that Phoenix was just a fluke week, as the potentially great dancers of Season 6 showed up en masse for the “So You Think You Can Dance” auditions in Boston. So many promising dancers! At the end of last season we saw a glimpse of Teddy Tedholm, who somehow managed to dance like an awkward dork and make it look amazing. If we didn’t already know he would make it through, he would have seemed like a weirdo with his goofy personality and loud pants — but he got a standing ovation from the others who were auditioning.

LA Times

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400 Comments

  1. For the Canadians amongst us who might know about Hedley, I heard their new song “Cha Ching” on the radio and thought it was kind of funny considering (and it’s got a pretty good hook). And then I saw the video and what Jacob is wearing during the “Idol” portions of it and LOL (Jacob certainly isn’t afraid to mock himself).

    Anway, it’s kind of cute: Cha Ching

  2. For anyone interested in Jason news, he was on Kid Kraddick this morning and he performed his single and Hallelujah to what seemed a pretty good response. Kidd had already been talking about the single the past few days, so he seems to like it.

    Tomorrow Jason’s playing the opening night of the Texas State Fair with his new band (Archie fans will recognize Jason’s drummer). I also believe though of course it’s not the most desired radio play, they are premiering his song on Radio Disney this weekend.

  3. I love how MTV.com used the GMA photo of Adam’s “rock glove” hand. LOL!

    For the Canadians amongst us who might know about Hedley, I heard their new song ‘Cha Ching’  on the radio and thought it was kind of funny considering (and it’s got a pretty good hook).

    Thanks for posting — and yes, a few non-Canadians know Jacob, too. I guess he really can laugh at himself.

  4. Good day peeps;

    Apropos of Jim’s article and his wishing Adam would also work with lesser known talent on his album, Jim just tweeted this:

    jambajim # Today’s Tune: The Knife – The Captain http://tinyurl.com/ycrty6k I’ve said it b4, I’ll say it again. @adamlambert MUST work w/ The Knife!

    I Haven’t heard of The Knife before.

  5. I have never heard of Hedley before, but that is a pretty fun video and a catchy song–reminds me of Fountain of Wayne’s Stacy’s Mom and also Buddy Holly by Weezer (both bands would totally do a video of like that).

    ETA: The Knife? Interesting…I’ve never heard of them, either. I learn a lot from this board, that’s for sure!

  6. Thanks for that Cookie article from Atlantic City. Like coming here for the news.

  7. Sunn: Apropos of Jim’s article and his wishing Adam would also work with lesser known talent on his album, Jim just tweeted this:

    jambajim # Today’s Tune: The Knife ‘“ The Captain http://tinyurl.com/ycrty6k I’ve said it b4, I’ll say it again. @adamlambert MUST work w/ The Knife!

    I Haven’t heard of The Knife before.

    Here is a link to a live performance:

    The Knife – Live – The Captain

    I have to say that I don’t think this is where Adam should go. Really odd suggestion IMO.

  8. Nice article and tweet from Jim.

    I don’t know if ppl have seen this:

    http://no-remix.blogspot.com/2009/09/mixer-october-09-adam-lambert.html

    Got it from Twitter. Good stuff.

    Can’t get enough Cookie news! I cannot wait to see him on 10/10…

    I may be the only one, but I wasn’t very impressed by last night’s SYTYCD, Boston (my hometown). The ice cream scooper who made it through is from Haverhill, MA, where I grew up (yay!), and the popper/locker was sick, but the others…meh. Teddy Tedholm didn’t impress me, anyway, and there were lots of stupid ppl again (what up w/ the 46 year old dude at the end? Who thought that was funny?). I think I am just sick of the auditions and am ready for Vegas week.

    ETA (sorry, I love ETA’ing): No on The Knife. NO NO NO.

  9. For the Canadians amongst us who might know about Hedley, I heard their new song ‘Cha Ching’  on the radio and thought it was kind of funny considering (and it’s got a pretty good hook). And then I saw the video and what Jacob is wearing during the ‘Idol’  portions of it and LOL (Jacob certainly isn’t afraid to mock himself).

    I’m not Canadian but Jacob is the reason I got interested in Idol — about four years after he was on CI Season 2, I caught his performances on YouTube. No going back, after that.

  10. Guys, there was a thread for that magazine cover on another blog and I think it was determined that it was a fan-created manip. There isn’t a Mixer magazine and the website that’s shown on that cover doesn’t exist.

  11. Anway, it’s kind of cute: Cha Ching

    That was cute. I liked the song, very fun.

  12. Jill Dobson who did that Cook interview was my neighbor in college. She works for Fox News and does all their entertainment interviews. I had to email her to say how jealous I was!

  13. I remember Jacob Hoggard! He as the first Idol to REALLY push the limits. He had NO desire to win the show and went on it to pimp his band Hedley. I heard during Top 3 night he took a dive and told his fans not to vote for him.

    Nothing can ever top the utter insanity and brilliance of THIS:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_UHDrO3APc

  14. Bummer about magazine cover. Oh, well.

    Nothing can ever top the utter insanity and brilliance of THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_UHDrO3APc

    Jacob Hoggard is insane! In a good way! Somehow I don’t think we’ll ever see this on American Idol.

    Glad to see positive reviews for Kris’s single. Might get it some good pick-ups/downloads (or at least radio play) as a result.

  15. Mixer Magazine went out of business a few years ago. Real nice fan art though.

  16. I can’t wait to see Carrie’s new video! Cowboy Casanova is at number three right now on itunes!! I am betting her new album sells even more than Carnival Ride in its first week with such a dynamic first single.

  17. I had not heard of Jacob Hoggard but after watching the video links I have to say I LOVE HIM!!!!!!!

  18. Kris’ single is steadily picking up spins

    9/22

    46 total spins (3 AC, 20 Hot AC, 21 Pop, 2 Rhythmic)

    9/23

    63 total spins (4 AC, 27 Hot AC, 30 Pop, 2 Rhythmic)

    It also appears that most of the Clear Channel stations have LLWD at least streaming on their webpages. And on IDF, I saw a commnet about how some station in Detroit played it yesterday and listeners voted it as a “hit”, so they will be playing it again today. And it won the music challenge on a station in Illinois yesterday, so will be played again today.

    With all the butthurt drama about Rickey’s irresponsible blog last night, it’s nice to see some positive stuff happening with Kris’ single.

  19. Articles on Kris’s single:

    US Magazine
    http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/hear-kris-allens-new-single-1970241

    http://allieiswired.com/archives/2009/09/kris-allen-debuts-new-single/

    http://www.digitalspy.com/music/a178773/allen-everyones-in-love-with-single.html

    OK, read through all these articles and ALL of them mention the Script (and the signle being a cover). That makes me think that the single is indeed a cross promotion for both Kris and the Scripts. The press woulnd’t know (or care) that it’s a cover by them unless the press release somehow mentioned it (imo).

  20. Cha Ching is a catchy song and that video is a lot of fun. Is Hedley a really popular band in Canada? Have they had any success in the States?

  21. I’ve heard that Hedley is really popular in Canada but haven’t broke into the US market yet. I think they’re trying to though.

  22. It also appears that most of the Clear Channel stations have LLWD at least streaming on their webpages.

    I just checked Boston’s Kiss108 play list and they don’t have it in rotation yet, but I’m sure they will soon.

  23. JACOB HAGGARD! Hahaha! I totally forgot about that guy, I remember being on the old AI boards and people went nuts when he sang Space Oddity. Aw, man that outfit. Love a band with a sense of humor, and it was pretty catchy..

    Radio Disney for Jason, huh? Well, that might work. My 12 year old is in LOVE with LJFILA. I think it would be good for that demo but please, Jason, please do something more adult for your next single.

    Saga- I think it is odd too seeing that all the idol winners have done a cover or song written by someone else that they have to keep brining it up too. E! Online was probably the most scathing out of the reviews I read:
    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b145266_kris_allen_follows_script_with_new.html

    Glad to see his spins are picking up, though!

  24. Thanks for the David Cook Articles, I particularly like the one from Atlantic City. He is going for 120+ shows in the past 7 months. By the end of the tour I bet he will have hit 150+. David and The Anthemic are truly the hardest working band out there today.

  25. girlygirl – thanks for the good news regarding Kris’ record. Hopefully, it picks up some good # over the weekend.

  26. Idol Time Poll
    What do you think of Kris Allen’s new single?

    * 47.8% Catchy and fun! Can’t wait for his album!
    * 52.2% Uninspired karaoke! When’s Adam Lambert’s album coming out?

    UGH. Stop it, EOnline. STOP IT. S8 ENDED IN MAY.

    ETA:

    I don’t know if ppl have seen this:

    http://no-remix.blogspot.com/2009/09/mixer-october-09-adam-lambert

    Thanks for the link Suebrody. Is this an online magazine or you can get it in a bookstore? I like to have a copy since I love that picture.

    Apparently, it no longer exists. This was bogus. :(

  27. Is Hedley a really popular band in Canada?

    Pretty popular. People know of them. They get invited to a lot of the Canadian award shows (I imagine that part of that is because Jacob is pretty good at bringing the fun).

    I just checked the charts and “Cha Ching” is number 9 on the Canadian Top 40 and number 10 on the Canadian HAC charts on Mediabase.

    Hedley keeps trying to break into the US, but not much luck yet.

  28. Love JACOB HAGGARD guess that the reason I still think Adam has yet to be OTT.. :-)

  29. OK, read through all these articles and ALL of them mention the Script (and the signle being a cover). That makes me think that the single is indeed a cross promotion for both Kris and the Scripts. The press woulnd’t know (or care) that it’s a cover by them unless the press release somehow mentioned it (imo).

    I thought that it might have been used to promote The Script at first, but since Kris said in interviews that they loved the song when they first heard it in May, I believe him. I think that they thought this was a good song for Kris, and had him record it.

    It’s clear from the song credits that The Script wrote this song. Plus, The Script are a well-known band — they opened for U2, opened for Paul McCartney in NY and just toured the US, their first album was #1 in the UK and Ireland (see chart performance below), and LLWD is on a UK CD Single and on some Album versions (most notably Japanese version).

    “The Script” Chart (2008) Position Irish Albums Chart 1
    UK Albums Chart 1
    Swedish Albums Chart 6
    Australian Albums Chart 9
    Denmark Albums Chart 15
    New Zealand Albums Chart 15
    Swiss Albums Chart 16
    Dutch Album Chart 25
    Germany Albums Chart 32
    Italian Albums Chart 38
    US Billboard 200 91
    US iTunes Chart 14

  30. That makes me think that the single is indeed a cross promotion for both Kris and the Scripts. The press woulnd’t know (or care) that it’s a cover by them unless the press release somehow mentioned it (imo).

    Well it sure wasn’t mentioned in either of the radio interviews Kris did on Monday. In fact it seemed like they were studiously avoiding talking about where the song came from or who wrote it.

  31. Matt is in California! He tweeted a few days ago that he was coming out here to take some meetings, have some writing sessions and perform at a couple of events…

    ImMattGiraud

    #On my way to sing in Santa Barbara for Priscilla Presleys Dream Foundation fundraiser. It’s an honor to be asked to play here.So I’m excited#20 minutes ago from Echofon

  32. Here is a link to a live performance:

    The Knife ‘“ Live ‘“ The Captain

    I have to say that I don’t think this is where Adam should go. Really odd suggestion IMO.

    Thanks for posting Q3. Interesting I must say, the far eastern infusion is something I’ve seen before, so I wouldn’t say it’s terribly original. It was quite the fad in the 80’s.

    I would categorize The Captain as piece of performance art rather than a song, so perhaps in future live shows, for 2nd or 3rd albums, The Knife can be an interesting collaboration for an artist like Adam. Not however, for a freshman Idol album.

  33. will

    That makes me think that the single is indeed a cross promotion for both Kris and the Scripts. The press woulnd’t know (or care) that it’s a cover by them unless the press release somehow mentioned it (imo).

    Will: Well it sure wasn’t mentioned in either of the radio interviews Kris did on Tuesday. In fact it seemed like they were studiously avoiding talking about where the song came from or who wrote it.

    Good point, Kris has never mentioned The Script in those interviews. And there is no press of The Script mentioning Kris either.

  34. It also appears that most of the Clear Channel stations have LLWD at least streaming on their webpages.

    Light On was also streaming on all the CC station sites last year the week it premiered but not all of them played it right away but I did assume it meant they at least had the song. In Kris’ case I’m really baffled though why Jive bothered with the Z100 premiere. If there’s some exclusive CC deal like what I’ve seen speculated it’s just odd that Z100, which is the biggest station there is hasn’t played it at all with the exception of the first day. I read that someone called requesting it and they were told they can’t play it HUH?

    Thanks for the David Cook Articles, I particularly like the one from Atlantic City. He is going for 120+ shows in the past 7 months.

    I’m going to the AC show and I’m so giddy! Plus now that I know Ryan Star is going to be opening at the Union show the next day I think I may go to that. So excited! The way he just keeps going and going is so impressive. I think it’s something like 120 shows in 210 days?

  35. The only reason I had ever heard of the Script before Kris’ single is because they will the opening act for David Cook for a few shows in Nov and Dec.

  36. It’s clear from the song credits that The Script wrote this song. Plus, The Script are a well-known band ‘” they opened for U2, opened for Paul McCartney in NY and just toured the US

    And I’ll get to see them opening for David Cook in November. I’m happy because from what I’ve heard, they’ll be good. I’ve seen Ryan Starr and Need to Breathe open for him, and they were both great. I think DC has great taste in opening acts.

  37. Here is a link to a live performance:

    The Knife ‘“ Live ‘“ The Captain

    I have to say that I don’t think this is where Adam should go. Really odd suggestion IMO.

    Wow. That suggestion is so bizarre that you almost wonder if you shouldn’t have a straight-jacket ready in case its needed. What kind of thinking would lead to that suggestion?

    That song is six minutes, four which have no vocals whatsover and the remaining two have odd chant-like vocals that sound like something from a Chinese opera. I’m just totally dumb-founded that anyone could suggest this as a path that Adam Lambert should pursue. Bizarrre. Scary. Drug? Too many MTV music videos? I can’t explain it.

    And, that’s not even mentioning the larger point that these kids aren’t jukeboxes where we put in a quarter and expect them to spit out the songs we select.

  38. The only reason I had ever heard of the Script before Kris’ single is because they will the opening act for David Cook for a few shows in Nov and Dec.

    Yup, and now they are mentioned in a lot of articles covering Kris. A lot of people reading probably go; who are the Scripts? Just saying…

  39. You know, now that I think about it, I think the reason why we keep hearing about the Script is because of the rapid fire way songs get around now through youtube and twitter. Add on to that the fact that MTV, EW, and USA Today probably get most of their idol news from blogs like MJ’s. You would think as good as idol is at pulling videos, that they would have pulled the Script one. After all, it isn’t their song anymore.

    Think about it, back when Daughtry was “reinventing” songs, not alot of people knew he was pulling them from the internet. People really didn”t start catching on until Cook did it. Now as soon as we hear any bit of news we start stalking twitter and youtube, lol. There is no such thing as obscure B sides anymore.

    DISCLAIMER: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH FINDING A COVER ON YOUTUBE AND SINGING IT ON AMERICAN IDOL.

    DISCLAIMER#2: I AM NOT A BITTERBERT BECAUSE I AM TALKING ABOUT SONG COVERS. I LOVE THE SONG AND PLAN TO BUY IT.

    Oh, and that Captain’s song? garbage. JimC is out of his fricken gourd.

  40. Trina

    I read that someone called requesting it and they were told they can’t play it HUH?

    Someone posted a radio adds date for Kris’ single yesterday, I think. Does anyone remember that date?

    Personally, I don’t quite understand the radio play system in the US, why would the label give exclusive rights to CC without demanding full radio play and not just web streaming?

  41. That Atlantic City article is full of choice quotes and wisdom from DC! Move aside Chris Sligh, if DC wrote a blog giving the new Idols advice, he would definitely do a great job without having to put others down. Though, I’m guessing DC already gives out what advice he can, just not publicly on a blog.

    DC on dealing with the downside of fame:

    “The stuff that’s not true- all I can really do is laugh about it. This whole gig is about picking your battles – those aren’t battles worth fighting. If everybody hated me, it would be a problem. If everybody loved me, it would be a problem. I like the fact that there’s a battle line there. If I did what I had to do to please everybody, I’d probably be a pretty miserable person.”

    Once again, he gets asked the tiresome question, on where would he be today without Idol. But I like his response:

    “I think I had the tools to get to this point. The path to where I am is paved with a lot of people who are way better than I am who never got the shot. I pursued this long before Idol because I thought I had what it took to do it. The other avenues I took never panned out. I try not to dwell on where I would be – I’m just glad where I’m at.”

    Humble, but confident. I kinda like Sligh, but dude really needed to be better at word choice and tone with his blog cuz despite sound advice, he did come across a bit jerky… Anyway.

  42. Well, if they put down that the LLWD is a cover, then no one call pull a ‘David Cook is a fraud’, which they did:

    I had no idea that his version of Billie Jean was first performed by Chris Cornell. How dare he? It doesn’t count. *fist in air*

    Still, it seems like The Script mention could be put at the end of an article. And yet as much as I hate to mention it, I kind of wonder why Kris’s first single is a cover song. I know it probably doesn’t matter at all, but still, I do wonder. Were there no original songs available?

    I wonder who is opening for Cook in October (my show)…

    BTW, I asked Jim on Twitter about his choice of The Knife for Adam. Will let you know if he tweets me back.

  43. In Kris’ case I’m really baffled though why Jive bothered with the Z100 premiere. If there’s some exclusive CC deal like what I’ve seen speculated it’s just odd that Z100, which is the biggest station there is hasn’t played it at all with the exception of the first day.

    It does seem illogical. Why premier something you never want to play? I guess you gain some credibility in that people want to premier songs on your show. I’m not sure what’s in it for Jive to do it. Sure, being premiered on the Top Pop 40 station is good, but it’s kind of a backhanded good if they won’t subsequently play the song. In fact, it’s probably worse.

    You’re not doomed if your first single flops, but it would be more helpful if it did not.

    I read that someone called requesting it and they were told they can’t play it HUH?

    Yes. That’s a pretty standard lie that DJ’s/whoever tell callers so that they stop calling. They can’t play it because the radio programmer doesn’t think people who listen to the station want to hear it. Radio can play songs that have been released. They don’t have to wait for the add date (and won’t wait if they think they have listeners for the song). They might respect not leaking something, but once it is released, they can play it if they want to. I mean really. The label had you premier it, but they won’t let you play it? Yes, that would be good marketing strategy. Not.

  44. Someone posted a radio adds date for Kris’ single yesterday, I think. Does anyone remember that date?

    Sunn-Here is the date from All Access:

    October 13, 2009
    impacting songs
    Artist Title Label
    Boys Like Girls Two Is Better Than One (f. Taylor Swift) Columbia
    Kris Allen Live Like We’re Dying 19/Jive/Zomba

  45. ‘I think I had the tools to get to this point. The path to where I am is paved with a lot of people who are way better than I am who never got the shot. I pursued this long before Idol because I thought I had what it took to do it. The other avenues I took never panned out. I try not to dwell on where I would be ‘“ I’m just glad where I’m at.’ 

    Wow this is a great quote by David Cook. He’s got the right combination of eloquence, humility and honesty.

  46. If an interviewer asked Kris about The Script, or conversely, asked member(s) of The Script about Kris’ single, I have no doubt they’d be more than willing to talk about it.

    And I don’t get why Z-100 wouldn’t play LLWD — it’s getting a good response, lots of people like it. Maybe part of the deal with premiering it was that they could only play it that day — until whatever day it can be added?
    IDK. Seems strange to me. People who listen to Z-100 and want to request LLWD should try and continue to do so (in a polite way, and not going OTT with the requests of course — read David Cook’s suggestions about how not to piss off radio stations)

  47. OK being new this year, there are several things I don’t understand-please, someone explain:

    A radio station premieres a song and decides they don’t want to play it? What is CC? What difference does CC make to an artist playing on the radio and why would their be exclusitivity? Every article says the song is a Script song-which if we admit it, takes some credibility from Kris from the industry being a first song-but will it make DJ’s not want to play it?

  48. Sunn-Here is the date from All Access:

    October 13, 2009
    impacting songs
    Artist Title Label
    Boys Like Girls Two Is Better Than One (f. Taylor Swift) Columbia
    Kris Allen Live Like We’re Dying 19/Jive/Zomba

    Thank you Pam

    Yes. That’s a pretty standard lie that DJ’s/whoever tell callers so that they stop calling. They can’t play it because the radio programmer doesn’t think people want to hear it.

    I find that hard to understand. The single got great reviews from both critics and web listeners. It’s a fun song and it’s catchy. Why would programmers boycott it as unlistenable when they haven’t even played it?

    The only reason I can think of is that Z100 is a NY station, and the programmers perhaps feel that the lyric “And if your plane fell out of the skies who would you call with your last goodbyes” cuts a little too close to home. Especially so close to the anniversary date.

  49. Why premiere the song weeks before the add date? I know Jason’s isn’t until October too, so why not wait and have Itunes, premiere and add date all at the same time?

  50. vanjess38

    Thanks for the link…another great review for Kris. Don’t know who the person is who wrote the review, but yay anyway!

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    UGH. Stop it, EOnline. STOP IT. S8 ENDED IN MAY.

    LOL, guess they didnt get the memo. they were whiny byotches during the finale/post finale, doubt much has changed. look at the intro to the poll question:

    At least this time he can’t blame Kara DioGuardi. But hey, if it was originality America was after, they probably would have voted for that other guy.

    psych 101 folks. speak negatively of a subject, you are bound to get a negative response regarding said subject in a poll or questionnaire. some of these reporters/writers crack me up w. their schoolyard antics.

  52. Wow this is a great quote by David Cook. He’s got the right combination of eloquence, humility and honesty.

    That’s what I liked about David he’s very insightful and speaks from the heart. I love his interviews, never a cringe moment ;p.

  53. I wish I could remember which website it was either his offical one or the kristogeher website. But I thought I read that one of the fan’s over there said they tryed to request again over there an they said they had to wait until Ryan plays it on his website. With all the drama of last night I can’t remember which one it was. That was a really great review Vanjess38,thinks for posting that.

  54. I find that hard to understand. The single got great reviews from both critics and web listeners. It’s a fun song and it’s catchy. Why would programmers boycott it as unlistenable when they haven’t even played it?

    The only reason I can think of is that Z100 is a NY station, and the programmers perhaps feel that the lyric ‘And if your plane fell out of the skies who would you call with your last goodbyes’  cuts a little too close to home. Especially so close to the anniversary date.

    I agree – song is catchy and has gotten very good reviews – I’m sure people out there want to hear it!

    Does anyone out there have any insight into the music biz regarding add dates, itunes dates, timing of everything etc? I am also getting really confused about how this whole process works, in terms of releasing a song for the radios, for purchase, etc.

    Also, kind of a nit-picky point, but I always thought that airplane line was bad too – it should have been cut out. There are many other ways to say this, and this is still a very very sensitive subject.

  55. OK, I must be going senile. I have watched AI FAITHfully since season one and I DO NOT remember Jacob Hoggard at all, as outrageous as he is. He made all the way to # 3? What year?

  56. Why premiere the song weeks before the add date?

    It’s nice to have a healthy number of spins when you hit your add date so that you’ve got some going. They typically do that (release a few weeks before going for adds). They used to put the single out for sale about 4-6 weeks after the release (so that it had enough airplay to do well on the Hot 100), but the illegal download market was killing them. If people want the song, they want it now and may not “remember” to buy it when it’s legally available. So, the songs go to iTunes much faster now.

  57. OK, I must be going senile. I have watched AI FAITHfully since season one and I DO NOT remember Jacob Hoggard at all, as outrageous as he is. He made all the way to # 3? What year?

    Not senile. Wrong show. He is from the second season of Canadian Idol.

  58. I find that hard to understand. The single got great reviews from both critics and web listeners. It’s a fun song and it’s catchy. Why would programmers boycott it as unlistenable when they haven’t even played it?

    The only reason I can think of is that Z100 is a NY station, and the programmers perhaps feel that the lyric ‘And if your plane fell out of the skies who would you call with your last goodbyes’  cuts a little too close to home. Especially so close to the anniversary date.

    Your welcome. Unless that is the reason, I can’t think of what else it could be. The song might not be my cup of tea, but it is catchy and I would like to see it do well.

  59. Funny…the Kris songs I like…so far…the most would likely never make it to radio. What type of station would play “Falling Softly”? The same thing with a lot of Archies’s stuff. I do like LLWD….it just doesn’t have the “emotional” attachment as some of his other stuff.

    I guess I can only hope some of it will land on his albums. Does the term “album friendly” exist?

    Jim

  60. Kirsten – you seem to know something about this :-) Can you help clarify, what exactly does “adds” mean? Is that the “available for purchase by the public” date (e.g. – able to buy it on itunes, etc.?) And so, before that date it’s generally distributed to the radio stations for airplay.

    Thank you for any clarification!

  61. The add date is when they start playing the song . However few of them are playing it anyway. Thats how come they have the spins. Every radio station has it’s own way of doing things so maybe they are going according to their methods.
    The song is already playing outside the US, come on DJ’s.
    And I don’t think it has anything to do with the lyrics.

  62. suenigma- Thanks for those two links! I just downloaded Old School on my ipod! The first song back on page one was funny, but it kind of bordered on Bowling For Soup, lol. I instantly fell in love with Old School.

    Thanks Kirsten, that makes sense about the illegal downloads but why have an “add date” at all when they basically can play it when they want?

  63. Also, kind of a nit-picky point, but I always thought that airplane line was bad too ‘“ it should have been cut out. There are many other ways to say this, and this is still a very very sensitive subject.

    Me, too. This is exactly what I thought of the first time I heard the song. I know the song is supposed to be upbeat, and it is, but this line gave me the chills, and if any NYC stations choose not to add the song, perhaps (?) this is why. However, there are these lyrics in the Alanis Morisette stupid song Ironic (which is ironic b/c none of the examples are ironic):

    Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
    He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids good-bye
    He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
    And as the plane crashed down he thought
    ‘Well isn’t this nice…’
    And isn’t it ironic … don’t you think

    Of course, she released her song before 9/11.

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  65. Will it help when Ryan plays it on his station? He seems to really support the idols.

  66. HotHotHot, I can’t see the video on the rockstar weekly site (my work computer blocks streaming video from most sites) so I don’t know which version they’re showing. It’s probably not a clip of the actual documentary though, yet. I imagine the production team will probably be tweaking and doing all sorts of edits before releasing clips of the full film. I’m just excited that there will be yet another opportunity for people (outside the interwebz & Idol bubble) to see Adam in a different light from Idol.

  67. Will it help when Ryan plays it on his station? He seems to really support the idols.

    I’m almost positive Ryan doesn’t call the shots since he’s pretty much just a DJ.

    Z100 is a weird station. Getting added by them is a huge, huge coup but they do have their standards. It took them forever to add “No Surprise” and even now that they did add it I don’t hear it that much, certainly nowhere near the level I hear Kelly and Jordin on there. You would think since they agreed to premiere Kris’ song they would at least give it a couple of overnight spins? It’s starting to feel like since they have such a tight relationship with Jive they, in a way maybe did them a favor by putting the song out there, like maybe Jive hoped other stations would follow..doesn’t do much good though at this rate. Spins are picking up but it hasn’t even cracked the Taking Off or Spin Increase chart. Don’t even get me started on the possibility of it being on iTunes tomorrow.

  68. rowenaaine
    September 24, 2009 at 1:30 pm
    Zodiac Show documentary in post-production, according to Rockstar Weekly, with Adam’s performance from 2008:
    http://www.rockstarweekly.com/content/view/925/149/

    Holy Crap! This video already has 600k+ views. It will explode after this. I have always thought this vid was fantastic. Can’t wait for the “soon to be cult classic” documentary.

  69. The only reason I can think of is that Z100 is a NY station, and the programmers perhaps feel that the lyric ‘And if your plane fell out of the skies who would you call with your last goodbyes’  cuts a little too close to home. Especially so close to the anniversary date.

    I don’t think they lyrics have any thing to do with it not being played. But I wish they would have rewritten that part. It really is an upbeat song and then — the 911 reference. Just seems a bit wrong to me.

  70. Thanks Kirsten, that makes sense about the illegal downloads but why have an ‘add date’  at all when they basically can play it when they want?

    The concept of add dates is to try to get all the stations doing something at the same time. If stations start playing songs whenever they want, a song might become a mini-hit in towns across the land, but never really chart on the national charts because that support comes at different times (say, March in New York, April in Boston, May in LA).

    Radio stations are like lemmings. They want to play the popular songs. So if song X is popular, some of them will be induced to play song X lest they lose listeners to another station that does play the popular songs. They can judge if a song is popular by how it is doing on the charts and listener feedback.

    So, the add date is part of the dance the stations and labels play to get stations playing the same songs at the same time so that everybody wins. It’s a bit of a free-form dance and sometimes the radio stations don’t want to dance, so not every song is a hit (nor could they be). Some songs are instant hits (“Boom Boom Pow”) and some grow very slowly (“Hey, There Delilah”), but most songs are not hits at all.

    Radio stations can play songs that are released. They can certainly play songs that have add dates. It is not believable when they tell callers that a song they premiered cannot be played and imply it’s at the label’s request. That makes no sense at all.

    And Ryan’s show skews pretty Urban. Neither Kris nor Adam may get spins on his show.

  71. aa618892
    September 24, 2009 at 1:49 pm
    Holy Crap! This video already has 600k+ views. It will explode after this. I have always thought this vid was fantastic. Can’t wait for the ‘soon to be cult classic’  documentary.

    I just tweeted it, hopefully it starts getting picked up. :)

  72. It does seem illogical. Why premier something you never want to play? I guess you gain some credibility in that people want to premier songs on your show. I’m not sure what’s in it for Jive to do it.

    Don’t you think that in the current way uncertain music market Jive (like most the other labels) would frantically try to make nice with the big radio stations by giving them exclusives and stuff, just out of the fear that if they don’t offer this stuff (and take whatever kicks in the face from radio that come with it) they’ll lose their place with them forever and be unable to push for play on *any* song?

    I’m sure they were hoping Z100 would quickly give LLWD some spins to help out early numbers. But they probably also are in no position — or are least believe they’re in no position — to make that a condition of offering the exclusive.

    Honestly, when I see how fledgling artists, both major and indie, knock themselves out running around the country performing live at station after station (and at concerts and mini-concerts and such arranged by same )that then never play their songs even *once* or, if they do play them a few times, spin them only at 3 am, it looks to me as if about 100 percent of the power in the music industry is with the big radio companies.

    Stations get their airtime filled with something interesting, get concert tickets and other such freebies to give away, thereby making their advertisers happy. And meanwhile, they play the same songs over and over and over again because they have no interest in music only in proven quantities.

    (I realize it’s not the same thing because he’s an indie. But I’ve seen Elliott’s songs win challenge after challenge and win big plaudits from supposedly the most influential consultants in the radio industry and even from some supposedly influential program directors, yet never get picked up by most stations, including many where he’s gone and sung his guts out, beautifully, at 8 am and so forth. Just because critical and fan response is good, you can’t in the least expect them to play a given song, unfortunately.)

    Not that I think Kris will meet Elliott’s fate. He’s on a major label, and they’ll get him spins and maybe even a hit, eventually. Stupid that the song is being largely ignored this week, though.

  73. Thanks Kirsten.

    What already has 600,000 hits? The CTF video? Didn’t they take it down for awhile?

    And how the hell did I not know they were making a movie out of this? Is it a movie-movie, or a limited release type thing or what?

  74. I listened to a radio show from central Wisconsin the other night that had a “Do you like it or not?” call-in vote for Kris’s LLWD, and the vote was 84% positive.

    About Hedley: I’m not sure but I think they’ve had seven hit singles in Canada. I guess this info can be found on Wikipedia. They recently released a compilation of their first two Canadian albums in the States. It’s called Never Too Late. Jacob and Dave Rosin (guitar) recently did a promotional tour for the album in the US, and did some acoustic performances and interviews on radio shows. If you look up Hedley’s live performances, there are some great ones on YouTube. Also pretty funny: some of the videos of the pranks they pull on other bands.

    I love Jacob as a singer. He sings with a lot of feeling, especially on ballads. He draws you in. And he’s has a great sense of pitch. Plays acoustic guitar and piano, also.

  75. aa618892
    September 24, 2009 at 1:49 pm
    rowenaaine
    September 24, 2009 at 1:30 pm
    Zodiac Show documentary in post-production, according to Rockstar Weekly, with Adam’s performance from 2008:
    http://www.rockstarweekly.com/content/view/925/149/

    Holy Crap! This video already has 600k+ views. It will explode after this. I have always thought this vid was fantastic. Can’t wait for the ‘soon to be cult classic’  documentary.

    I adore CTF, it’s my favourite of Adam’s pre-Idol work. The fact that he co-wrote the song makes fell even better about his talent. It truly is a brilliant song.

    I’m looking forward to the documentary, despite the fact that the “starring Adam Lambert” line used by RockStar Weekly is misleading. The documentary is about The Zodiac Show to which Adam was only a cast member.

  76. terraj-I am pretty sure this will make it onto the documentary. It is hilarious and I just want to eat him up! “flames out of my f***king head!” LOL!

  77. Jason Castro is doing a radio tour all over the nation. Having his single added to RadioDisney is just another audience.

  78. So far, it’s Eonline and that stupid Cook Examiner Lady are the only reviewers that I have read any bad reviews from. The STL guy who even whinned about Kris’ win gave the song avery good review. And it surprises me the kind of hatred I find in the comments section.
    I don’t get it . They don’t even know the guy personally yet the comments are so mean as if he’s stolen something from them.

  79. You know that they are redoing the Zodiac Show movie to feature Adam as prominently as possible. At the time it was filmed, he wasn’t famous, but now he is. Good for them!

    But I’m sure at the time it was filmed they envisioned the movie to showcase the performers more equally. Now, the promo for it says that it is “starring Adam Lambert.” This is great publicity for him, and I’m sure he wholeheartedly approves of the movie. I can’t wait to see it.

  80. So weird that Ty Taylor from Rockstar INXS was a part of that show, loved him ( but not as much as Marty Casey). And Curly Sue too, lol.

  81. ilovekrisallen39
    September 24, 2009 at 2:04 pm
    On twitter there saying Kris unfollowed Rickey.

    Yes. I just checked and Kris is no longer following Rickey.

  82. Good for Kris if he has unfollowed Rickey. You know Kris isn’t going to say anything publicly about that whole shitstorm, so unfollowing him will likely be his only response.

    Meanwhile, ontd-ai has a thread up saying LLWD is being played on radio station in Austria. Does this mean Jive has released it internationally as well? The other day someone from the Cayman Islands tweeted Kris about listening to LLWD and I’ve seen stuff about LLWD being played on stations in Canada as well.

  83. The STL guy who even whinned about Kris’ win gave the song avery good review. And it surprises me the kind of hatred I find in the comments section. I don’t get it . They don’t even know the guy personally yet the comments are so mean as if he’s stolen something from them.

    As Kris would say: “blah-de-blah-de-blah”. They don’t make him look bad, they just make themselves look like freaks. Sick, hateful people. I feel sorry for them.

  84. Wow, the documentary has BRIAN FRIEDMAN in it! The SYTYCD choreographer who choreos all over the world! I didn’t know he was part of the Zodiac Show!

    If this hasn’t been posted yet: tweet from Rickey:

    @rickey OK, I’m going to come clean, recording a video blog right now to apologize. Thanks for your patience.

    Well, good for him. It’s called angry posts to his site and angry twitters. He’s an idiot.

  85. And Ryan’s show skews pretty Urban. Neither Kris nor Adam may get spins on his who.

    Yes, I switch to KIIS every now an again to see if I might get Kris or Adam scoop and every time it is hard hip hop, even rap *clicks off*.

    On twitter there saying Kris unfollowed Rickey.

    Good. Everyone should.

  86. Yay, Kris unfollowing Rickey on twitter is the one bright side to Rickey’s descent into madness last night.

    Not that twitter is really that important in the scheme of Kris’ super busy life right now, but with Rickey’s multiple twitter meltdowns over the last several days, it must be at least a little bit of a relief to get all that crazy out of his personal twitter feed. Now any fuckery from Rickey will be buried in with the rest of the multitude’s @replies.

  87. Hi. Just to add to the LLYD lyric controversy … I really do understand why the lyric might be offensive or affect some people negatively but, on the other hand, I think that 9/11 proves to us that we ought to live like there’s no tomorrow, like we’re dying. It’s not a bad thing for us to recognize that today could be our last day. It’s part of a Buddhist prayer that I use every morning (no lie) and it helps me to keep myself in a good frame … because you never know when … and you don’t want to die in a negative state of mind or feeling. Shocks and tragedies like 9/11 bring that home in a big way. Anyway, I really don’t want to preach. I hate preaching with a passion. But that’s my view and it’s part of the reason why I love this song and think it’s something that is especially right for Kris to be singing. It’s incredibly positive.

    And right now, it’s reminding me not to get too upset about Rickey. I will be calm and positive as long as we all unfollow him and never frequent his website again.

  88. I highly doubt that Z100 is not playing LLWD due to the airplane crash line, but who knows. As someone who was in NYC on 9/11 and watched the towers burn, I can tell you that we are pretty sensitive about that sort of stuff. I stil freak out when I see what I perceive to be low flying aircraft over the city.

  89. One thing I have learned over the past year (primarily from following Cook) is that getting radio play is insanely difficult. And it’s nearly impossible if you are talking about a Top 40 station and you aren’t rhythmic/dance, urban, or Disney (or, I guess, Taylor Swift).

    Kris will fit better on HAC but that is a SLOW process. And, it is a bit of a catch 22 because they won’t play a song until it has reached a certain level of popularity, but then how does a song ever get there without the airplay.

    I think LLWD may have a tough time on CHR, especially Z100. Kris just seems like a HAC/AC artist, and there is nothing wrong with that; in my market, our largest station is HAC. It is funny, because when AI ended I always expected to see Kris with RCA and Adam with Jive. Having said that, as an Adam fan (although I like Kris a lot and wish him great success), I was so happy to see him with RCA.

  90. Holy Cow. Poor Kris. I’m glad he unfollowed Rickey.

    Good move on Kris part. Rickey begged the guy to follow him and then act like that.

  91. I wonder who is opening for Cook in October (my show)’ ¦

    You’re going to the Providence show, right? Well, according to DCO as well as Lupo’s Heartbreak Hotel’s Web site, Ryan Star is opening for David that night.

    Oct 10 (Sat) 7:00 PM (Providence, RI)
    LUPO’S HEARTBREAK HOTEL [website]
    Special Guest: Ryan Star
    Details: Buy Online

    http://www.lupos.com/Splash.html

  92. I highly doubt that Z100 is not playing LLWD due to the airplane crash line, but who knows.

    I think Z100 is not playing LLWD because they’re notoriously extremely snooty and conservative about what they play. It’s unfortunate that the smaller stations usually wait for the huge stations in the big markets to lead the way, since they’re usually the most conservative of all on picking up new stuff.

    That said, I think LLWD sounds more like what’s getting played on HAC and AC than pop at the moment. (which is dance, hip-hop, urban- (but not *TOO* urban-!!) flavored), plus one song by a blonde country singer. For a couple of years there that song was Before He Cheats (over and over and over and over and over and over and over again). Now it’s something by Taylor Swift.

  93. Adam and Kris are paired together on this Top 49 Most Influential Men of 2009 poll. They are the only ones on this list who are paired rather than given separate listings’ ¦

    http://www.askmen.com/specials/2009_top_49/vote

    It’s most likely because of their friendship, so I guess it makes since that they are paired together.

  94. I’m sure they were hoping Z100 would quickly give LLWD some spins to help out early numbers. But they probably also are in no position ‘” or are least believe they’re in no position ‘” to make that a condition of offering the exclusive.

    Nobody at 19R or Jive was “hoping” for anything. They know exactly how much it will cost them in “promotional consideration” to get a song played in the huge NYC or LA markets. Any Idol song will get exactly the number of spins that have been “paid for” and it will get them starting on the agreed upon date.

    This stuff isn’t up to the DJ or the callers on request line. Very little on Top 40 radio happens by accident and certainly not because a DJ “seemed to like the song”. It’s a business. The record companies (playing with the artist’s money) and the radio stations are the two sides in the transaction. The audience is the product being delivered by the radio station.

  95. Yay, Kris unfollowing Rickey on twitter is the one bright side to Rickey’s descent into madness last night.

    I guess this confirms that Kris saw/heard about Rickey’s rant. It must have been a great feeling to wake up and find out people in your camp are trashing you behind your back to random Idol bloggers.

    Why hasn’t Kris done any promotion with any L.A. radio stations yet? He has been out there since Tuesday.

  96. Chicagolaw and Lucy are really on the money when it comes to radio.
    I think LWYD is not urban enough for Z100 and I think the lyrics are a little dark for NYC. But why let Z100 premiere it if they weren’t going to add it. That I don’t really get.

    Since Lucy mentioned Elliott and he is currently touring radio stations to get the news out about his second single, I have to add this clip. Elliott and his model gf Jaime walked the runway at a NYC charity fashion event last week. You can see the results at 2:03 in the video and they’re prety adorable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OTmkatFzHI

  97. I think Z100 is not playing LLWD because they’re notoriously extremely snooty and conservative about what they play.

    Any Idol song will get exactly the number of spins that have been ‘paid for’  and it will get them starting on the agreed upon date.

    These two statements are two ends of the radio play possibility spectrum. Statement 1 implies Z100 decides what to play and when, while statement 2 implies Z100 will play exactly what the label paid them to play. I think it’s somewhere in between, since direct payola is illegal.

  98. I am lost. What did Rickey do to Kris? Quick recap??

    Yesterday Rickey posted a thread on his blog saying he had heard tracks off Kris’ album and that it was a disaster and that his label was really worried. He even posted a video saying essentially the same thing. Then he twittered about it.

    He’s since taken it down, I think. But still.

  99. … but, on the other hand, I think that 9/11 proves to us that we ought to live like there’s no tomorrow, like we’re dying. It’s not a bad thing for us to recognize that today could be our last day.

    Guess it is all a matter of perspective — but there are other ways to make this point that do not involve 911.

    And if your plane fell out of the skies
    who would you call with your last goodbyes
    should be so careful how we live out our lives
    so when we long for absolution
    there’ll no one on the line

    BTW I don’t this is a reference to 911 NY, it is a reference to 911 Flight 93’s crash in Western PA — those are the people who had time to call on their cell phone before their plane “fell out of the sky”.

    Studio57: What already has 600,000 hits? The CTF video? Didn’t they take it down for awhile?

    And how the hell did I not know they were making a movie out of this? Is it a movie-movie, or a limited release type thing or what?

    Looks like it will be released this year, it will certainly be in limited release. My guess, targeting the Gay market. But since Adam is in it, who knows. Also, should also be on Cable, like Sundance Channel.

    Here’s the info from IMDb:

    The Zodiac Show: Metamorphosis (2009)

    Director:Lee Cherry
    Genre: Documentary | Comedy | Drama | Musical
    Plot Keywords: Magical Realism | Student Film | Urban Film | Underground Film | Gay more

    Cast
    Carmit Bachar … Herself
    Allan Louis … Mza Superstar
    Adam Lambert … Himself
    Caryn E. Kaplan … Scarlett
    Alisan Porter … Herself
    Ty Taylor … Himself
    Michael Raymo … Rebel
    Cheray O’Neal … Mama Zun
    Ameenah Kaplan … Herself – Musical Director
    Brian Friedman … Himself – Choreographer
    Lee Cherry … Himself
    Charlie Brumbly … Himself – Producer
    Cecileo Moctezuma … Himself – Choreographer / Lead Dancer
    Nina McNeely … Herself – Choreographer / Lead Dancer
    Worthie Meacham … Momma

    Production Notes from IMDbPro
    Status:Post-production
    Status Updated:27 July 2009

  100. Nobody at 19R or Jive was ‘hoping’  for anything. They know exactly how much it will cost them in ‘promotional consideration’  to get a song played in the huge NYC or LA markets. Any Idol song will get exactly the number of spins that have been ‘paid for’  and it will get them starting on the agreed upon date.

    True. I wasn’t making myself clear, though. I meant before they handed them the song — when they were just in the negotiation phase. I’m sure their initial hope was — Hey, maybe we can get them to give it a couple of actual spins that first week! But, hearing that the station wouldn’t, they gave them the premiere anyway. Because it was either that or nothing.

  101. You’re going to the Providence show, right? Well, according to DCO as well as Lupo’s Heartbreak Hotel’s Web site, Ryan Star is opening for David that night.

    *jumping up and down*

    Time to Twitter follow Ryan again…he seems like a very nice guy, BTW. I will tweet him to let him know I am excited to see him open. I know he and David are good friends.

  102. Spins are picking up but it hasn’t even cracked the Taking Off or Spin Increase chart. Don’t even get me started on the possibility of it being on iTunes tomorrow.

    how soon a hit will crack the Taking off or Spin Increasing chart? Do we have data for other idols’ singles, such as the Davids or Jordin?

    Since now online vid is so popular, maybe the record company doesn’t think radio spins is the major indicator of how a song is received. They may instead look at YouTube numbers to estimate how many people have been reached. That might be why they drop the single so early.

    If thats the case, it’s kinda irronic that Kris can’t get many radio spins before release the song because when we compare Kris and Adam music style many people believed that Kris is more radio friendly. Not saying he is not, just that with this market strategy he can not benifit from that much. Otoh, Adam’s visual appealing may help his sales if 19 can put out video to promote his songs.

    ETA, correct typos

  103. I think Z100 is not playing LLWD because they’re notoriously extremely snooty and conservative about what they play.

    Any Idol song will get exactly the number of spins that have been ‘paid for’  and it will get them starting on the agreed upon date.

    Aren’t these two statements a bit self-contradictory, hwc?

    Statement 1 implies Z100 decides what to play and when, but statement 2 implies Z100 will play exactly what the label paid them to play’ ¦?

    Actually, the first one is me and the second one is hwc. *Maybe* contradictory (I’m not so sure about that … ) but not self-contradictory!

  104. Z100 won’t play every song no matter how much the label shells out.
    They won’t play music that doesn’t fit their format. I’m not 100% sure Kris’ single is Z100 material. They’re not as urban as Ryan’s station, but urban enough. That means lots of hiphop and rap.

    For example, 19 could never pay them enough money to play Taylor Hicks.On the other hand, I’m sure they are happy to play Jordin in return for Jingle Balls, etc

  105. But why let Z100 premiere it if they weren’t going to add it. That I don’t really get.

    Yes – I second that. I don’t get it – but then this radio airplay business is WAY beyond my scope of expertise.

  106. Z100 won’t play every song no matter how much the label shells out.
    They won’t play music that doesn’t fit their format. I’m not 100% sure Kris’ single is Z100 material. They’re not as urban as Ryan’s station, but urban enough. That means lots of hiphop and rap.

    So does that mean Jive paid for LLWD to debut on Z100? Or did 19? I’m still confused, especially if the station had no intention of playing the song.

  107. This is the tweet he sent to Kris

    Kris Allen’s album so far “an embarrassment” http://bit.ly/ml5AR Save Kris Allen’s CD! @KrisAllen4Realabout 15 hours ago from TweetDeck

  108. Guess it is all a matter of perspective ‘” but there are other ways to make this point that do not involve 911.

    Yeah – that was my original point too. Similar to the “Ironic” song – it’s just different scenarios that are being named, and this one should have (and pretty easily could have) been changed to just about anything else that would have made the same point.

    People are very nervous flyers nowadays, in general (I know I am, and I fly ALL the time, over long distances) – lines like that are just uneasy.

  109. EWWWWWWW! Just read Rickey’s blog. Yikes! As an Adam fan, I even found it to be over the top. I have wondered about some of the same stuff in the blog myself but I would have never wanted to send it to Kris. What a confidence booster!

  110. I don’t think Jive paid Z100 to debut the song. I’m sure the station has a cozy relationwhip with the label where they promo artists in return for free concerts, etc.

    Jive has Britney Spears and she’s a Z100 fav so I’m sure they work deals using her as a bargaining chip. I’m pretty sure no $ ever changes hands though. That’s against the law.

  111. If Kris’ single sells really well and enough people request it, stations will play it as long as it isn’t entirely outside the station’s format. A lot of stations have pretty loose definitions of what their format is. It’s a money-driven business, and if there is enough demand for something, the program director will put in on the playlist. If not enough people buy the single or request their local station to play it, there is no reason for the program director to put in on the playlist.

    On the site I found that is tracking LLWD’s spins, most of them have come from Hot AC and Pop stations. I would assume that will continue to be the case. I also assume Ryan will play it, simply because of his connection to Idol. Ryan has a fair amount of power and influence– a lot more than most “regular ” DJs”. And you know he will want to try and help out Kris, Adam and Allison if he can. This doesn’t mean any of these singles would remain in the playlist rotation — that would depend on listener response and whether they fit into the station’s format.

  112. Britney’s got a new song premiering next week too…maybe on Z100?

  113. Z100 won’t play every song no matter how much the label shells out. They won’t play music that doesn’t fit their format.

    jpfan I agree 100%

    Time to Twitter follow Ryan again’ ¦he seems like a very nice guy, BTW. I will tweet him to let him know I am excited to see him open. I know he and David are good friends.

    I love Ryan! I wish Ryan opened when I saw DC. Tempted to see him on one of these dates with DC… but I don’t wanna break my rule of no traveling for concerts outside of music festivals! Haha. I’m weird. I can troll the internet for DC news everyday, but I draw the line at following him around the country, haha. Anyway, From what I hear, Ryan’s super-accessible, so you’ll definitely get to meet him if you want. I love his music, and he seems hilarious. Maybe you’ll get a DC/Ryan duet on Breathe again. OMG, I love that song– eek, so jealous!

    Lucy, I edited my post– I initially thought hwc posted both comments, but I checked again and realized my mistake.

  114. We’ll see if Z-100 eventually starts playing the song. They are unpredictable and a little weird sometimes with their choices. So who knows.

    Kris always seemed to be headed for a HAC, AAA type career anyway. Unless he goes poppier than expected I can’t imagine the plan was to push any more than the first single hard on pop. We’ll see.

  115. Squirrely
    September 24, 2009 at 2:44 pm
    This is the tweet he sent to Kris

    Kris Allen’s album so far ‘an embarrassment’  http://bit.ly/ml5AR Save Kris Allen’s CD! @KrisAllen4Realabout 15 hours ago from TweetDeck

    That is so hurtful, I’ve read this tweet several times before, but I still can’t get over how insensitive it is . (sigh) Rickey is such an unfeeling ASS.

  116. For example, 19 could never pay them enough money to play Taylor Hicks.On the other hand, I’m sure they are happy to play Jordin in return for Jingle Balls, etc

    That’s correct. It’s like a highly ritualized mating dance, like between two birds in the Galapagos Islands. First, the record company has to paint strictly between the lines and hand over a song that is exactly like something already being played (or an agreed upon nudge in a “new direction”). Then, they have the opportunity to pay.

    I don’t think Jive paid Z100 to debut the song. I’m sure the station has a cozy relationwhip with the label where they promo artists in return for free concerts, etc.

    Depends what you mean by “pay”. Z-100 got a promo appearance by the American Idol, a chance to give away tickets to said private appearance (a contest that was surely sponsored by an advertiser), and the opportunity for Idol crazed wives and daughters of Z100 advertisers to touch the American Idol of their dreams. It’s all part of the ritualized mating dance.

    The money changes hands by providing free performers at the big events like the Z100 Jingle Ball. Z100 pockets the ticket money and sells advertising packages to their advertisers for all the ticket giveaway contests. It’s about like sending cash through a bank account in the Cayman Islands.

  117. I kind of see him as like Jason Mraz…more HAC/AAA, with occasional pop crossovers. Something massive like I’m Yours would be cool.

  118. So does that mean Jive paid for LLWD to debut on Z100? Or did 19? I’m still confused, especially if the station had no intention of playing the song.

    Well, they certainly promised them something in return for the premiere. And I’m still sure that Jive initially hoped (!!) that what they offered would get them a few spins early in the game. But apparently Z100 didn’t want to give them spins in return for some live Kris performances or whatever, so they said, Nope — we’ll give you a little premiere spot but probably won’t play the song till later.

    I agree with hwc that most radio play, especially at big stations, probably still comes as part of tit for tat arrangements.

    Nevertheless, it seems unlikely to me that there’s some virtual chart of payments and payoff amounts out there that determine exactly what the label will get in return for the considerations they offer. I would bet that the radio stations and networks prefer to be a little bit secretive and whimsical about what they’ll do, because that’s a better way of keeping all the power for themselves (plus, it is a *much* better way of keeping the federal regulators off your tail, I’m thinking!)

    Program directors *do* sometimes add songs just because they decide to do it (Elliott’s pop single early this year is a good example of that, I suspect), and, I’m sure, fail to add songs even though they’ve taken some consideration and more or less said that they would.

    If the pay-for-play system were still completely explicit and predictable, the law would be down on them, *and* the stations would be giving up some of their power — which they can hold partly because they’re a bit mysterious and whimsical — I expect.

    Now, I hasten to add that I don’t know any of this for a fact. These are just my conclusions from a fair amount of observation and a few conversations with people who seem to know from the inside how this works. Could be all fiction that I’m spouting.

  119. Chik-fil-A Customer Service guy tweeted Kris a thank you – Kris may have finagled a endorsement deal somewhere down the line.

  120. The askmen thing is FAIL. They are shipping Kradam. How can two people be in one spot.
    Where are the tinhatters?

  121. Did you all see this 12-second video from Rickey? He says, “Oh no, it worked! The things I do for hits. Oh my God! Oh well.” I think we’re supposed to infer from this that his stunt was just to get hits. That it was all a joke? He’s working on another video to apologize…

    # 12seconds – Good Morning Angels – 09/24/2009 http://tiny12.tv/FHNYY
    about 1 hour ago

    # OK, I’m going to come clean, recording a video blog right now to apologize. Thanks for your patience.
    about 1 hour ago

  122. Z100 is a weird station – I used to listen to it all the time but recently have found WPLJ and KTU much more appealing. I think Kris should fit into the WPLJ market and that was the second station he went to on Monday so I wish they would spin his song a bit. KTU is a lottle bit more of a dance mix which if all the rumors about Adam’s music are accurate I think he would fit perfectly there.

    As for the plane falling from the sky line – living in NY through 9/11 and beyond – this line is pretty spot on to life, but not just in reference to the 9/11 background. My husband was recently on a flight to Singapore when an engine lit on fire over Albany. They ended up circling a bit before returning to Newark. He didn’t call me until after they had landed because he didn’t want to scare me but he called me once they were back on the ground in Newarkand told me what happened. My point is that there are so many reasons that a “plane could fall from the skies” so this line doesn’t necessarily have to pinpoint 9/11.

  123. Ok, seriously – if that really was just a way to boost hits on his website – why would he do it at the expense of hurting someone he “supports”? So unfair to Kris. I agree with Sunn – what an ass.

  124. Chik-fil-A Customer Service guy tweeted Kris a thank you ‘“ Kris may have finagled a endorsement deal somewhere down the line.

    Or a job. He may need it if the album is as bad as Ricky claims. j/k

  125. Did you all see this 12-second video from Rickey? He says, ‘Oh no, it worked! The things I do for hits. Oh my God! Oh well.’  I think we’re supposed to infer from this that his stunt was just to get hits. That it was all a joke? He’s working on another video to apologize’ ¦

    Well I for one am not laughing….

  126. Did you all see this 12-second video from Rickey? He says, ‘Oh no, it worked! The things I do for hits. Oh my God! Oh well.’  I think we’re supposed to infer from this that his stunt was just to get hits. That it was all a joke?’ ¦

    If this is true, he’s apparently kissed whatever was left of his judgment goodbye. Can’t see why anyone in their right mind would do this.

  127. I wouldn’t assume Ryan will play anything. He may like the guys, but he likes DC, and has his station ever played anything David Cook? I just don’t think he has much influence at all at that station in terms of what gets played.

    I think a lot is in the hands of the program directors. And, at least in HAC, they won’t play a song until it is a big enough hit. And then, good luck getting your song heard in the prime slots—lots of spins get squeezed into the “dead hours” between 9PM and 4AM.

    Radio play is a slow process if a song doesn’t just immediately take-off on the pop chart.

  128. Rickey posted this on his blog…

    OK so I feel bad now. I dreamed that I wrote something last night that was totally out of character because I needed hits for my blog ‘” and then I checked just now, and I did write some bad stuff. Is it too late to recant?

    http://www.rickey.org/?p=23202

  129. If that’s true, that’s a pathetic way to generate hits for his site. Rickey ended up alienating Kris, Kris’ fans, and a bunch of people who aren’t necessarily fans of Kris. Many of whom will likely stop going to Rickey’s site after this.

    Rickey is an ass.

  130. Did you all see this 12-second video from Rickey? He says, ‘Oh no, it worked! The things I do for hits. Oh my God! Oh well.’  I think we’re supposed to infer from this that his stunt was just to get hits. That it was all a joke? He’s working on another video to apologize’ ¦

    Idiot is just trying to cover his ass. He messed up big time and I am sure he’s feeling the fury of the person he double crossed as well. A successful blogger’s lifeblood is the anonymous folk who give them tips. He violated that persons trust, and pissed of a major part of his fanbase at the same time. It’s like shooting yourself in the foot, and then walking in traffic. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy and I for one and not surprised. He says this is out of character for him. No it is not. I want to follow him on twitter just so I can unfollow him, lol.

  131. OK so I feel bad now. I dreamed that I wrote something last night that was totally out of character because I needed hits for my blog ‘” and then I checked just now, and I did write some bad stuff. Is it too late to recant?

    Sorry, Rickey. This statement doesn’t count as “recanting.” Saying that something was “out of character” and “bad” doesn’t do the trick when what you said was apparently a flat-out lie.

  132. If that’s true, that’s a pathetic way to generate hits for his site. Rickey ended up alienating Kris, Kris’ fans, and a bunch of people who aren’t necessarily fans of Kris. Many of whom will likely stop going to Rickey’s site after this.

    Rickey is an ass.

    I’d actually left his site a while ago because I just couldn’t deal with himm after he started wearing bras on his head during cellcasts. This stunt will guarantee I never go back again.

  133. OK so I feel bad now. I dreamed that I wrote something last night that was totally out of character because I needed hits for my blog ‘” and then I checked just now, and I did write some bad stuff. Is it too late to recant?

    Yes Rickey, it is. I’m not laughing and I don’t think anyone else is.

  134. Adam and Kris are paired together on this Top 49 Most Influential Men of 2009 poll. They are the only ones on this list who are paired rather than given separate listings’ ¦

    http://www.askmen.com/specials/2009_top_49/vote

    It’s most likely because of their friendship, so I guess it makes since that they are paired together.

    The strange thing is, when you click on ‘Read Profile,” it’s only about Adam (or did I miss something?). Anyway, it’s very comprehensive and well-researched. Kudos!

  135. OK so I feel bad now. I dreamed that I wrote something last night that was totally out of character because I needed hits for my blog ‘” and then I checked just now, and I did write some bad stuff. Is it too late to recant?

    http://www.rickey.org/?p=23202

    he’s mental, I’m not even going to bother going over there to read this stupidity

  136. If that’s true, that’s a pathetic way to generate hits for his site. Rickey ended up alienating Kris, Kris’ fans, and a bunch of people who aren’t necessarily fans of Kris. Many of whom will likely stop going to Rickey’s site after this.

    And the handful of remaining Adam fans he hadn’t already alienated with his early bitterbert mocking and cellcert hijinks are not looking too kindly on the way he managed to make Adam the bad guy in his supposedly fake Kris rant. Sooo, I guess he’s left with Scott and Danny fans?

  137. Did you all see this 12-second video from Rickey? He says, ‘Oh no, it worked! The things I do for hits. Oh my God! Oh well.’  I think we’re supposed to infer from this that his stunt was just to get hits. That it was all a joke? He’s working on another video to apologize’ ¦

    And the saga continues. OMG! The man is not only a nob, but an idiot to boot.
    Is that supposed to make me forgive him? Is admitting it was for hits, supposed to restore my confidence in his blog? Or restore his credibility?

    Stop digging Rickey!

  138. Sooo, I guess he’s left with Scott and Danny fans?

    He’ll always have Sanjaya – for reasons I can’t understand Rickey is in love with Sanjaya? At least loving David Archuleta as he does makes sense since Archie is very talented.

  139. The strange thing is, when you click on ‘Read Profile,’  it’s only about Adam (or did I miss something?).

    Huh, you’re right, I didn’t notice that. I was mystified by the explanatory blurb next to their picture:

    These two American Idol finalists changed our notion of “almost famous.”

    I love the idea of their friendship being influential, but I don’t really understand what the blurb has to do with that. Am I missing something?

  140. Ryan Seacrest will only play Kris’ single if the radio station allows it. The same things were said when DC’s singles came out and Ryan’s station never really played them. Ryan did have DC on for an interview around the time the record came out.

    Z100 may start playing Kris’s single later. They didn’t start playing LO for a long time after it came out, but added it eventually. Of course LO didn’t have a Z100 premiere, just Popeater, but it was also streamed on all of the Clear Channel stations and also didn’t have a very quick start, but the song ultimately became a hit, so I’m hoping for the same or better for Kris.

  141. The strange thing is, when you click on ‘Read Profile,’  it’s only about Adam (or did I miss something?).

    You can see the Kris’s profile too if you click on the letter K at the top of Adam profile. There is a row of letters A-Z. You can find a bio on all those Celebs in the voting link. Hope this helps.

    Here is the link directly to Kris

    http://www.askmen.com/celebs/men/entertainment/kris-allen/index.html

  142. Does this mean Rickey was also lying about Adam’s song Strut. Makes me think he wasn’t just making stuff up about Kris to get hits!

  143. Does Rickey ever wash his hair? For the (very) few times I have gone to his site, he always looks like he needs to wash.

  144. christyo
    September 24, 2009 at 3:47 pm
    Does this mean Rickey was also lying about Adam’s song Strut. Makes me think he wasn’t just making stuff up about Kris to get hits!

    I wonder about this, too. I suspect he is trying to cover his butt for spilling stuff he shouldn’t have.

  145. I don’t know if this means anything, but LLWD is on Z100’s online request form.

  146. Based on stuff that was said in the headlines thread last night, it seemed like he had some information from somewhere, third hand or not. He just never should have gone public with it and violated his sources confidence

    Did he really have sources? I find that hard to believe when he was thrown out of the M&G at last years tour and couldn’t even get a pass this year. I don’t think he has any real sources much as he might pretend he does. When the Idols came to do press in NY he was like the other fans in the crowds – he had no special treatment or opportunities that someone respected by TPTB did. And the Idols didn’t try to help him out either and give him passes. So the thought of him having legitimate sources is laughable, whereas when Slezak mentioned that he had heard the whole single last week it was more believeable bevause he is part of the recognized media that has the opportunity to interview all the Idols.

  147. He blogged that people told him that Kris’ album needs alot of work

    Rickey is the one who needs a lot of work.

  148. Does this mean Rickey was also lying about Adam’s song Strut. Makes me think he wasn’t just making stuff up about Kris to get hits!

    That’s the problem he’s created for himself. Who is going to believe anything he posts now? Is it true? Is it for hits? Maybe both? Who can say? He just threw his credibility out the window.

  149. ontd_ai won donorschoose competition. Looking forward to their interview with Adam :D

  150. I detest Rickey after this “stunt,” and we’ll see how many vids he feels he has to post before he just shuts the hell up and lets this drop. I don’t care what he heard or didn’t hear; until *you’ve* listened to the album, say nothing unless it’s positive. And if it was just for hits, then he’s even more of tool than I already thought he was.

  151. Did he really have sources? I find that hard to believe when he was thrown out of the M&G at last years tour and couldn’t even get a pass this year. I don’t think he has any real sources much as he might pretend he does. When the Idols came to do press in NY he was like the other fans in the crowds ‘“ he had no special treatment or opportunities that someone respected by TPTB did.

    MJ said last night in the Headlines thread that was he was saying wasn’t “complete bullshit”, but that the opinions of 1 or 2 people didn’t mean much. She also said he was told not to blog about it. It was in the headlines thread, around the 200-250 comments mark I think.

  152. ontd_ai won donorschoose competition. Looking forward to their interview with Adam

    I wish I could say the same but I’m not interested in 500 breathless questions about Kradam.

  153. I don’t know why people are saying Kris is no longer following Rickey. He seems to be still following him. His pic is still among the people Kris is following.

  154. Natasha
    September 24, 2009 at 4:17 pm
    ontd_ai won donorschoose competition. Looking forward to their interview with Adam

    I wish I could say the same but I’m not interested in 500 breathless questions about Kradam.

    I don’t think you have to worry about that. Not all the ONTD_AI’rs are Tinhatters. Honey_Wheeler who seemed to have organized the whole thing is a huge Adam fan and has talked of respectful and Adam-centric questions when soliciting the group for questions.

  155. I like to think it’s a good sign that Kris’ song is now on the Z100 on line request form. It wasn’t there yesterday. Of course I won’t request it, they ask for your age – I don’t think I’m in their demographic. LOL.

  156. Why did MJ say everything said by Rickey was not total BS and she was told not to blog about it? Where is that?

  157. he’s mental, I’m not even going to bother going over there to read this stupidity

    I can’t believe people are just now figuring this out. Shouldn’t his fixation on Sanjaya and Archuleta when they were underage (called DA “love nugget”) have been a hint? And then the childish attention seeking during cellcasts? He was strange long before he made the Kris Allen fans angry. But he’s been tolerated by different fan groups because they know he’ll stalk their favorite and get pictures/video.

    I didn’t object to his Kris Allen blog or his anti-Adam stuff simply because it’s his blog and his opinion. But the guy has issues. American Idol isn’t wary of him for no reason at all.

    If you want to understand Rickey, go read his archives. His early, early archives. Like 2004 and 2005. It’s not pretty.

  158. Rickey exaggerated whatever information he had. Third hand opinion on a couple of songs from 1 or two people is in no way an indication that the entire project is a mess and in trouble.

    Also, it turns out, he never actually heard the songs.

  159. Honey_Wheeler who seemed to have organized the whole thing is a huge Adam fan and has talked of respectful and Adam-centric questions when soliciting the group for questions.

    I hope they post a transcript.

  160. Z100 may start playing Kris’s single later. They didn’t start playing LO for a long time after it came out, but added it eventually. Of course LO didn’t have a Z100 premiere, just Popeater,

    What was interesting about that was sometime before the album dropped EW did a story on DC and for whatever reason the program director of Z100 gave a quote saying LO wasn’t a good fit for them, that Crush was a more natural fit. Cut to the day he was in NY promoting the CD, he dropped by Z100, did an interview and a little chat with listeners..next day Z100 started playing LO and added it to the playlist. Coincidence? Doubtful. I’m sure some major negotiating went on there. I would have thought with Kris the negotiating or whatever goes on would have happened before he made his visit there.

    So Rickey is not only mentally ill but he’s a liar, too. Good to know.

  161. christyo
    September 24, 2009 at 3:47 pm
    Does this mean Rickey was also lying about Adam’s song Strut. Makes me think he wasn’t just making stuff up about Kris to get hits!

    IIRC, mj said that she had heard what Rickey had as well, just that she respected that it wasn’t supposed to be shared. IIRC, this was about understanding the meaning of off-the-record, as well as the earlier stuff about knowing when Adam’s album was going to drop. At least that’s what I recall of that conversation, that mj said that the peeps at RS had heard “Strut,” and yes, they liked it. Which Brian Mansfield has evidently heard part of the song as well, so totally see how it happened. And than evidently Rickey got the info about the response of peeps at RS.

    Or something, I could be remembering it all wrong.

  162. Squirrely

    I hope they post a transcript.

    Me too – and in a post that is not locked so those of us who contributed in their name but don’t ~go there can read it as well :)

  163. The whole thing is bullshit to me. Who is that person who says Kris’ songs are not good when they are still writing and recording. How does he/she know the songs are going to be on the album.
    This whole hoopla about TPTB wanted Adam to win instead of Kris makes me angry. This is the reason why people are reading toomuch into everythin including making it look like they are not going to treat Kris well. I don’t know where they are getting that vibe from.
    I don’t see anything like that and I always feel people give Kris less credit than he deserves.
    I see him as very tough and smart guy who knows what he wants and how to get it. He has said that he feels they respect him and his talent with the way they are handling him . Kris has no poker face, if he’s having any problems it won’t take us long to see it.

  164. Regardless of what Rickey was told what stupidity prompted him to tweet Kris a blog he wrote trashing his work to him? That has me totally confuzzled.

  165. Cut to the day he was in NY promoting the CD, he dropped by Z100, did an interview and a little chat with listeners..next day Z100 started playing LO and added it to the playlist. Coincidence?

    I think that’s how it’s supposed to work. He went there, did the chat, he did those videos for Elvis. With that they probably got new listeners/more hits. In return they played his song. At some point it even made the top 9.
    That’s why what’s happening with Kris song is strange. They could at least give one spin a day. Maybe they didn’t get a kinda of response they were waiting for.

    As for Rickey, not only he made Kris mad I would think his “sources” probably didn’t like that either. All of this for one day hits? Couldn’t he find a better way that wouldn’t make everyone run away from his site the next day?

  166. Just saw where LIl Wayne’s album release date has been pushed back so it won’t be released on the same day as Adam’s! YeaH!

  167. Kris’ picture was steaming today on Z100 and they’ve added LLWD to the request page. Does that mean something?

  168. The whole thing is bullshit to me. Who is that person who says Kris’ songs are not good when they are still writing and recording. How does he/she know the songs are going to be on the album.

    Kris is still writing and recording but some of his songs are already finished like LLWD, this is true for Adam and Allison (curious that nobody reported anything about the quality of her tracks) as well.

    This is even more likely because Kris told that some of his earlier sessions didn’t go too well, so it could be these songs that we are talking about. Of course, it’s way too early to judge the whole album on 1 or 2 songs that are not even sure to make it.

    I see him as very tough and smart guy who knows what he wants and how to get it. He has said that he feels they respect him and his talent with the way they are handling him . Kris has no poker face, if he’s having any problems it won’t take us long to see it.

    IA with the general feeling that Kris is tougher and smarter than he looks like, but this is a whole new world for him and he probably doesn’t know the rules of the game.

  169. That’s why what’s happening with Kris song is strange.

    No it’s not. It’s typical. I have no idea if the song will be a hit or not, but people need to stop handwringing just because it doesn’t have several hundred spins yet. Many first singles build slowly, like over the course of a month to six weeks to even two months. As a veteran of several seasons worth of post AI singles, I can say it is far, far too early to start worrying.

  170. Just saw where LIl Wayne’s album release date has been pushed back so it won’t be released on the same day as Adam’s! YeaH!

    they were at the same recording studio last night, he must have heard Adam sing and knew he couldn’t compete :mrgreen: …I am totally joking

  171. they were at the same recording studio last night, he must have heard Adam sing and knew he couldn’t compete ‘ ¦I am totally joking

    Squirrely-I thought the same thing! lol

  172. No it’s not. It’s typical. I have no idea if the song will be a hit or not, but people need to stop handwringing just because it doesn’t have several hundred spins yet. Many first singles build slowly, like over the course of a month to six weeks to even two months. As a veteran of several seasons worth of post AI singles, I can say it is far, far too early to start worrying.

    Amen sister. All the freaking out here and elsewhere is just bizarre to me. We haven’t even had one pop adds day pass yet! At least give it couple of weeks before the flailing starts. Geesh.

  173. No it’s not. It’s typical.

    With Z100 no, it’s not typical. Especially not typical with idols.
    We weren’t talking about overall spins, but about Z100. Overall spins seem good and I think it looks great in the HAC format right now.
    What Z100 does or doesn’t can be a bit telling of the song’s future on top 40.

  174. Squirrely
    September 24, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Just saw where LIl Wayne’s album release date has been pushed back so it won’t be released on the same day as Adam’s! YeaH!

    they were at the same recording studio last night, he must have heard Adam sing and knew he couldn’t compete :mrgreen: ‘ ¦I am totally joking

    ROTHLMAO…Oh have to say secretly had the same thought at first…ha ha ha

  175. I was just checking a couple of my local radio stations playlists and came across something weird. The Script’s song Breakeven is #12 on our college radio station’s playlist. I thought they were an obscure band?

  176. With Z100 no, it’s not typical. Especially not typical with idols.
    We weren’t talking about overall spins, but about Z100. Overall spins seem good and I think it looks great in the HAC format right now.

    Z100 has done exactly 2 idol premiers. Both were very poppy songs. Kris is a different animal. Lets just give it a minute, people. Yikes.

  177. With Z100 no, it’s not typical. Especially not typical with idols.
    We weren’t talking about overall spins, but about Z100.

    And Z-100 is doing what they normally do. David Cook was an anomaly. Jordin too. That station generally isn’t spin friendly for the majority of AIers. If they do play it, it’s usually after it breaks through on other stations.

    Again, nothing new under the sun here with Kris.

  178. As a veteran of several seasons worth of post AI singles, I can say it is far, far too early to start worrying.

    I remember “Tattoo” took forevah to climb the charts, it turned out to be a big hit. You wouldn’t have thought that those first few weeks in September after it was released.

    Yes, it’s way too early to worry.

  179. And Z-100 is doing what they normally do

    They aren’t. With Archie, Kelly, Jordin (idols who had the same treatment) it was different. I think that’s where people are coming from.
    Of course it’s impossible to say what will happen with the song, but I think it’s natural to discuss it when a station like z100 which had the exclusive of this song doesn’t seem to be interested in that song so far.

    I thought they were an obscure band?

    I wouldn’t call them obscure, but they’re far from being known to the US audience.

  180. The Script’s song Breakeven is #12 on our college radio station’s playlist. I thought they were an obscure band?

    College playlists are typically bleeding edge– loaded with bands the general public hasn’t heard of.

  181. Of course it’s impossible to say what will happen with the song, but I think it’s natural to discuss it when a station like z100 which had the exclusive of this song doesn’t seem to be interested in that song so far.

    don’t hit me but do you think it is because Kris’s song is a cover? I know people say it doesn’t matter but DJ’s and music industry peeps may think differently than the general public. Lots of peeps do covers but for a first song is probably a little ………odd.

  182. How important is radio play anymore these days? My Teens get their new music info either from MySpace, Facebook or iTunes etc. Radio is rarley listened to, other than in the car. Granted we live in Southern CA, and nobody walks in LA…. Wait until Kris’ single hits iTunes, then you’ll see……

  183. Has anyone updated Kris’s pre-order sales data lately? I haven’t seen it but would like to know how it is going.

  184. I thought they were an obscure band?

    Not really. The Script are a new band in the US, but they had a moderate hit on HAC over the summer with their song The Man Who Can’t Be Moved, which got up into the teens on the Mediabase HAC chart, I believe. It got some CHR play as well, and was on the VH1 Video Countdown for a while. They’ve made the talk show rounds as well. They’re much bigger in the UK. Breakeven is their 2nd US single. It’s currently at #36 with a bullet on this Mediabase HAC chart:

    http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/insideradio/charts.asp?format=3&showyear=y&dpt=n

    So, not obscure, just new and still building their audience. Their song Before the Worst was also the iTunes free single of the week last November, which is where I first heard about them.

    ETA: The Man Who Can’t Be Moved peaked at #15 on the US Billboard Hot Adult Top 40 Tracks chart(=HAC). I guess y’alls definition of obscure is different than mine- I’ve seen and heard them all over the place this year, without even trying, LOL.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Can%27t_Be_Moved

  185. It hasn’t even been a week since it was released, yeah, not getting any worry about Kris’s single. Seems like it’s getting good reviews, good responses from stations playing it. It all looks like things are going well…in the first four days of it’s release, and it will continue to probably do well. I mean, I don’t know, no one can predict the future (sorry Miss Cleo) but indications thus far are that things are on track.

  186. College playlists are typically bleeding edge’“ loaded with bands the general public hasn’t heard of.

    I should have added that our college here isn’t very progressive. Dave Matthews, Jet, U2, Muse, and Jack Johnson are all in the top 10.

    The point of my post was that I wonder if that is more of the demo they are going to cater to?

    In other news, Justin guarini is getting married:
    http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/09/24/american-idols-justin-guarini-getting-married-on-sunday/

  187. Just saw where LIl Wayne’s album release date has been pushed back so it won’t be released on the same day as Adam’s! YeaH!

    Apparently, however, Rihanna is releasing an album by the end of the year and that’s when she is rumored to be dropping it, so we have some different competition to worry about.

  188. Doesn’t Flashforward come on tonight??

    No, it will be aired sometime in the future, but you’ll be able to see it for about two minutes tonight when you black out.

    Apparently, however, Rihanna is releasing an album by the end of the year and that’s when she is rumored to be dropping it, so we have some different competition to worry about.

    Eh. Rihanna doesn’t typically open big. She moves a boatload of singles and eventually a lot of CDs, but she’s typically pretty slow out of the gate. SuBo is going to take her down.

  189. The Script is also getting some “decent” play—I think it’s the song, The Man Who Would Not Be Moved (or something like that)—on my HAC station in Chicago. They are an obscure band making a bit of a move, I think.

  190. Latest from @rickey. He may not even post the apology any more…

    # Should I still post the video apology?
    36 minutes ago

    # OK! Thanks! RT @melirose89: Don’t even bother. the damage is done. It’s over
    13 minutes ago

  191. No, it will be aired sometime in the future, but you’ll be able to see it for about two minutes tonight when you black out.

    ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

  192. Doesn’t Flashforward come on tonight??

    No, it will be aired sometime in the future, but you’ll be able to see it for about two minutes tonight when you black out.

    *snort* I guess that’s a yes – LOL

  193. Eh. Rihanna doesn’t typically open big. She moves a boatload of singles and eventually a lot of CDs, but she’s typically pretty slow out of the gate. SuBo is going to take her down.

    But she’s gained A LOT of popularity from her previous album. She really didn’t become really popular until GGGB, so it’s hard to use her past opening weeks as a guide. It had a lot of hits, and people may think that they are better off getting the entire album. The Chris Brown drama from earlier this year has kept her profile up too.

  194. Rumors about Rhianna coming out at the end of the year have no effect on Adam. I like her but she would be down about third on my list and then only singles.

  195. Latest from @rickey. He may not even post the apology any more’ ¦

    # Should I still post the video apology?
    36 minutes ago

    # OK! Thanks! RT @melirose89: Don’t even bother. the damage is done. It’s over
    13 minutes ago

    whatever

  196. @rickey:

    Recorded 10 revisions, but decided not to post anymore. This is officially the end of this topic for me. No more RT RT @asialeigh: POST IT.
    less than 5 seconds ago from TweetDeck

  197. Rumors about Rhianna coming out at the end of the year have no effect on Adam. I like her but she would be down about third on my list and then only singles.

    But I’m not talking about you. I’m talking about the entire public. Everyone has been worried about Adam getting a lower debut position because of Lil Wayne and SuBo and with Lil Wayne now out of the picture, they are all relieved. Rihanna will open larger than him, I’m sure.

    Personally, I don’t care about chart position, because what really matters is how many copies it moves in total. Something could debut at the top and literally tumble off the charts in a few weeks, and that won’t bode well for the artist. However, if it has a respectable or even less than respectable debut chart position but still manages to sell a couple million copies in a year, then that is a good thing.

  198. My sister is Florida doesn’t like the radio stations that play in her area (Ft Lauderdale), so she listens to Sirius (and to CDs b/c my niece and nephew want to hear HS Musical 3 over and over ;)). My other sister DOES listen to an HAC station, so if Kris comes on, she will know who he is. She couldn’t tell you who Kevin Rudolph (who happens to be playing on mix in Boston THIS VERY MOMENT) or All American Rejects are, tho she knows the Idols (Carrie, Kelly, Daughtry, Cook, Jordin, all of whom are played on mix). I will be interested to hear from her about Kris airplay. Mix plays GaGa and Katy Perry, as well as the artists listed above, so both Kris and Adam could get airplay. (Muse does not get airplay, however, so I guess it depends on what kind of cut Adam releases. The name Strut makes me think more mainstream than something like Let’s Dance On the Moon Because We’re Crazy or something like that. ;) I bet mix will start playing LLWD tomorrow, if that’s the radio release day.

    I’m glad Rickey has given up.

  199. “Eh. Rihanna doesn’t typically open big. She moves a boatload of singles and eventually a lot of CDs, but she’s typically pretty slow out of the gate. SuBo is going to take her down.”

    Yeah but her last album came out before her megastar status. So its hard to say how her album will do out of the gate this time.

  200. Doesn’t Flashforward come on tonight??

    Yay, looking forward to this show, even though it’s been confirmed by someone here (can’t remember who, are you here now?) who saw a preview that Mad World isn’t used in the pilot episode. Sadly. Oh well, it still looks like a cool show.

  201. Hi Guys!

    VAlilac posted this on the Zodiac thread, but probably belongs as much here:

    Slash Jams With Dave Grohl, Duff McKagan for Solo Album
    http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/09/23/slash-jams-with-dave-grohl-duff-mckagan-for-solo-album

    from the comments, you’d think this RS article was about Adam instead of Slash

    [laugh] No kidding. Have only got halfway through the comments section, and the fight is about Adam!! Sheeze!

    For those of you about to check the article out, the main text has NOTHING, but NOTHING to do with Adam. [snerk] …and people at mj‘s accuse the Adam fans of hijacking the threads!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

    ETA: My new favorite Rolling Stone comment quote:

    Black Hole Sun | 9/24/2009, 5:13 pm EST
    This post could’ve been about health care and Adam’s name would still be inexplicably dragged into it…

    Hell, I’m as much an Adam fantard as anyone, and even I thought this was ridiculous!

  202. IMO – Rickey was an ass before. Rickey is an ass now. Nothing excuses the BS he did last night.

  203. Latest Matt Tweets

    # ImMattGiraud Very excited to be here doing this for The Dream Foundation. They do amazing things for people and I’m proud to be a part of it.

    # Matt GiraudImMattGiraud Soooo they lost my luggage!! Find it!! Or I’ll be looking very comfortably dressed at the performance tomorrow. Ha. Naaaaaaap time.

  204. Squirrely: # Matt GiraudImMattGiraud Soooo they lost my luggage!! Find it!! Or I’ll be looking very comfortably dressed at the performance tomorrow. Ha. Naaaaaaap time.

    Pair of jeans, T-shirt, fedora. What else does the guy need? :-)

  205. Pair of jeans, T-shirt, fedora. What else does the guy need?

    He needs to get rid of that florescent light on his Twitter photo. It drives me nuts. It glares from my homepage and completely overpowers and backlights him.

  206. So, did someone say somewhere in this blog (not necessarily this thread) that Rickey got more hits/traffic than MJ? I find that really hard to believe.

  207. Yay, looking forward to this show, even though it’s been confirmed by someone here (can’t remember who, are you here now?) who saw a preview that Mad World isn’t used in the pilot episode. Sadly. Oh well, it still looks like a cool show.

    Yes, soverymel, I’m here. Ellie2 also saw it.

    “Mad World” IS NOT used in the pilot of “Flash Forward.” That doesn’t mean it won’t be used in future episodes (as I said earlier). I’m pretty sure they have several episodes in the can and probably did even before using MW in the promos staring mid-summer.

    I can see it being used ala “Grey’s Anatomy” during an end-montage, but it would have been too heavy-handed IMO for the pilot.

    There is no theme song, just a whoosh/whoosh and the title. The end was a spare instrumental.

  208. How do we know that Rihanna’s CD will come out on the 24th? Or even in November? Before the end of the year could very well mean in December.

    Honey_Wheeler who seemed to have organized the whole thing is a huge Adam fan and has talked of respectful and Adam-centric questions when soliciting the group for questions.

    I hope they post a transcript.

    Ya the ontd_ai peeps are awesome, and they won’t ask Kradam centric questions. They might flail over Kradam but it doesn’t mean they don’t care about Adam as an individual as well.
    nvmnd

  209. So, did someone say somewhere in this blog (not necessarily this thread) that Rickey got more hits/traffic than MJ? I find that really hard to believe.

    I find it impossible to believe.

  210. I don’t find hard to believe.b4 I strted following AI online I had herd of rickey.org and I was like 8.what happens w/ rickey

  211. So, did someone say somewhere in this blog (not necessarily this thread) that Rickey got more hits/traffic than MJ? I find that really hard to believe.

    Well I think it’s because Rickey allows a lot of fanwaring and bottom feeding shit on his blog. His followers are rabid about him, until he turns on them and then they leave in droves. MJ has a lot of loyal readers many who come back year after year (like me, well hell, I never leave…)Rickeys seems to have a great deal of turnover and very few who stay interested in him. He’s manic and gets far too personal, and I know that’s his style, but it just seems smarmy to me, and when he turns on you (talking about Idol contestants) it’s brutal. He’s been totally unfair to many of them. He alslo seems to cater to a younger more immature type of fan.

  212. Waiiiit…do what’d rickey do…..post the strut is amazing crap just for hits???? …I’m confuszled

  213. I find it hard to believe too. There ain’t as many comments in Rickey’s blog as in MJ’s blog.

  214. Luv he said he has a couple of contacts and they let him listen to 3 or 4 of Kris songs for the album and that it was going to be a big mess. He then told all of us kris fans that we need to tweet support for kris. Then this morning he said he just did it for hit’s.

  215. Yeah but most idols ( I think frm tweets) know rickey’s blog and not mjs blog.not that it really matters but I find it really easy to believe.obviously mjs big blog is better which is why I have no life and sit here refreshing the page to read comments.sighz.

    THANKS ILOVEKRISALLEN39!!!!!!!!!<3

    wow thats just so wrong

    so to our knowledge he wasn’t lying about strut?

  216. What’s the big deal. So, in exchange for becoming a huge mega-star, the kid who won Idol has to put up with some weirdo internet geek tweeting him that his first album sucks? So what?

    Before this is all said and done, bigger outlets than an internet geek who blogging from his mother’s basement are going to say that the Idol’s CD stinks. If some guy named Rickey can cause all this angst, what’s going to happen if the New York Times says the CD blows chunks?

    My advice: Get used to it.

  217. I don’t think he was lying about strut. I can’t wait to hear what the song sounds like. Luv you know by my name am a big Kris fan but I love Adam to. Am really interested in how both guy’s are going to do album wise.

  218. hwc
    September 24, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    What’s the big deal. So, in exchange for becoming a huge mega-star, the kid who won Idol has to put up with some weirdo internet geek tweeting him that his first album sucks? So what?

    Before this is all said and done, bigger people than an internet geek who lives in his mother’s basement is going to say that the Idol’s CD stinks. If some guy named Rickey can cause all this angst, what’s going to happen if the New York Times says the CD blows chunks?

    My advice: Get used to it.

    Harsh…..but true!

  219. the Idol’s CD stinks

    that’s problly the default tone for all idols albumS.

  220. Kirsten
    September 24, 2009 at 5:37 pm
    Doesn’t Flashforward come on tonight??

    No, it will be aired sometime in the future, but you’ll be able to see it for about two minutes tonight when you black out.

    you have a gift…. (on floor trying to pick self up)

  221. Susan M.
    Yes, soverymel, I’m here. Ellie2 also saw it. (FlashForward)

    Oh thanks Susan M., I KNEW I remembered reading that here! And I’m so glad you clued us in, otherwise I might not have been able to enjoy the episode wondering if and when the song might come on, LOL.

    I wondered if they’d do the Lost-esque opening title since the show really seems like the one being groomed to capture the same viewers once Lost ends this season. But I like your idea of them using the song during the show at some point in the future like they do on GA. *fingers crossed*

  222. Probalby doesn’t fit in the topic right now, but I decided to watch Flash Forward instead of Bones. It like a big budget movie. The first fifthteen minutes are intense. So far, so good. See you later. Am I acting like Luv.

  223. Can someone explain to me why folks are so hopeful that Mad World is used in Flash Forward at some point? Don’t all the Adam fans here have the ability to listen to Mad World, like, anytime you want?

  224. hwc
    September 24, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    What’s the big deal. So, in exchange for becoming a huge mega-star, the kid who won Idol has to put up with some weirdo internet geek tweeting him that his first album sucks? So what?

    Before this is all said and done, bigger people than an internet geek who lives in his mother’s basement is going to say that the Idol’s CD stinks. If some guy named Rickey can cause all this angst, what’s going to happen if the New York Times says the CD blows chunks?

    My advice: Get used to it.

    I think what Rickey wrote caused such angst just because he claims to be a big fan of Kris. Of course it is his blog and he can write whatever he wants and express his opinions (although if he hasn’t heard anything he is not supposed to have an opinion). The fact that he sent it to Kris is where the problem for me, for you started. The guy is in the middle of his effort right now. The least he needs is negativity thrown into his face from a supposed fun. If Rickey thinks that he helped Kris, eh well, he didn’t.

    I am sure that Kris expects the harsh critics to come but on the finished product not on 2 or 3 songs we are not even sure that will be on the album. Let him finish and then say whatever you want. That’s what N.Y. Times is going to do, i think.

  225. Probalby doesn’t fit in the topic right now, but I decided to watch Flash Forward instead of Bones. It like a big budget movie. The first fifthteen minutes are intense. So far, so good.

    Dang, sometimes I hate being on the west coast, 2.5 more hours and counting. *sigh*

  226. halfie
    September 24, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    Can someone explain to me why folks are so hopeful that Mad World is used in Flash Forward at some point? Don’t all the Adam fans here have the ability to listen to Mad World, like, anytime you want?

    Um…b/c it would be nice for more than Adam fans to hear it, especially if it is associated with a new and promising TV show? That’s why I would have liked to have seen it integrated into FlashForward, but that’s just me.

  227. Can someone explain to me why folks are so hopeful that Mad World is used in Flash Forward at some point? Don’t all the Adam fans here have the ability to listen to Mad World, like, anytime you want?

    Because having a song featured in popular or buzzworthy show is a one way to introduce an artist to whole new (non-Idol watching) audience. It’s not so much about us hearing it (although that is nice) but others.

  228. I think what Rickey wrote caused such angst just because he claims to be a big fan of Kris.

    To me that’s not it. It’s just really bad form to spread shit. Rumors, distortions, opinions, whatever. Nobody can hear the CD and judge for themselves, so spreading bad rumors about it is plain wrong. It wouldn’t matter if he hated Kris. It’s just not what you do.

    Just because there seem to be varous distortions, this is what he wrote:

    http://www.rickey.org/?p=23197

  229. Can someone explain to me why folks are so hopeful that Mad World is used in Flash Forward at some point? Don’t all the Adam fans here have the ability to listen to Mad World, like, anytime you want?

    I don’t expect Mad World in this premiere. Others have already said that it will not be there. I looking to see if it’s a show I want to watch. So far, I thnk so.

  230. Happy to see that Adam Lambert, Allison Iraheta and Danny Gokey have stopped following Rickey on Twitter

  231. Me likey FlashForward!

    ETA: Apparently, Kris is still following Rickey. Rickey doesn’t deserve any followers. I’m just following him so I can tweet him to screw whenever he posts something ridiculous. As I did today.

  232. I don’t expect Mad World in this premiere. Others have already said that it will not be there. I looking to see if it’s a show I want to watch. So far, I thnk so.

    Oh definitely, readon, it’s been confirmed that Mad World is NOT in the premiere. But from the live east coast reports, the show sounds aMAZing. Can’t wait for it to start here in CA!

  233. “what’s going to happen if the New York Times says the CD blows chunks?” — hwc

    That’s a given. Doesn’t seem likely they’ll change their stripes at this stage. All the DC angst is back again. The same song and dance.

  234. There wouldn’t have been as much angst about Rickey’s blog if (1) he was giving his review of the completed album; (2) he hadn’t tweeted Kris his blog in order to “help” him; (3) he hadn’t obviously made much, if not all, of what he was saying, up; and (4) he hadn’t tried to make Adam the bad man

    Mtlfan

    I didn’t realize that Adam, Danny and Allison had been following Rickey in the first place. But if they were, and now have unfollowed him, good for them. The AI8 Idols are all very close, and this is just another example of that. Not to mention, they don’t want to deal wiith what the ass might say about their OWN debut singles/albums in the name of generating more hits on his site

  235. Ok, thanks everyone. I do appreciate the explanation. If I may attempt to sum up:

    1) Adam has a song featured in a major motion picture with a gargantuan marketing budget.

    2) Adam is starring in a documentary.

    3) Adam has a song used for promotion of a hot new TV show

    4) Brian May has a man crush on Adam.

    5) Katy Perry has a girl crush on Adam.

    6) Simon Fuller is probably going to personally manage Adam.

    7) Adam has been on the cover of Rolling Stone.

    Yet, the fear is that he may be underexposed?

  236. girlygirl,

    About Adam, Danny and Allison unfollowing Rickey,
    i picked it up from Melenie – she’s running a Kris Allen fan web site

  237. Another show in ABC coming this November, which is about the interaction with alien’s culture, seems cool too. I heard Muse’s song at the end of the trailer.

  238. I’m not sure that this is the right place to post this but:

    For those following the DDD site boys vs the the rabid Clay Aiken fan (who wanted Adam removed from their 100 most technically skilled list) … I think that the boys resolved the situation … and there’s a good summary of more reasons why they think that Adam should be on the list.

    http://forums.nutsie.com/viewtopic.php?t=18672&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1815

    The kicker quote was this:

    Lambert defecates on Clay Aiken when it comes to technical skill. If this isn’t obvious to you after viewing the criteria and seeing enough Lambert performances, you’ve got some learning to do.

    Like I said before, Aiken would probably be like top 25 or 20. Comparing him to Lambert is just out of the question.

    A little rude, yes. But also succinct. I guess that’s what you get for being a troll on the DDD site. Dude was being a serious embarrassment to Clay Aiken and his fans.

    But it’s also interesting to note what Ikon38 says about Adam singing in his lower register.

    If Lambert sang in the lower range too often, it would be detrimental to his overall vocal health/technique … unsupported, its just bad technique. But the thing is, Lambert stays in his comfortable range(which is extremely developed), and when he does drop low, he does so with proper throat alignment.

    Kinda techie but it might explain why Adam prefers to improvise in his upper register. (I’m learning way more about singing than I will ever really need to know). But I’m guessing and surmising. Perhaps someone else will know for sure.

    Also: hwc … if you are out there … I apologize … I really wasn’t trying to be critical of you … and if my words caused you grief … I am doubly sorry.

  239. evanjane
    September 24, 2009 at 8:43 pm
    ‘what’s going to happen if the New York Times says the CD blows chunks?’  ‘” hwc

    That’s a given. Doesn’t seem likely they’ll change their stripes at this stage. All the DC angst is back again. The same song and dance.

    I’m pretty sure the NYT will give Kris’s CD a fair hearing. If they review it.

    NewFan
    September 24, 2009 at 9:00 pm
    I hope that this is the right place to post this but:

    For those following the DDD site boys vs the the rabid Clay Aiken fan (who wanted Adam removed from their 100 most technically skilled list) ‘ ¦ I think they resolved the situation ‘ ¦ and there’s a good summary of more reasons why they think that Adam should be on the list.

    http://forums.nutsie.com/viewtopic.php?t=18672&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1815

    Newfan, thanks. I love these guys. Going over to read, now…

  240. So, did someone say somewhere in this blog (not necessarily this thread) that Rickey got more hits/traffic than MJ? I find that really hard to believe.

    I think perhaps you’re referring to this quote from last night’s headline thread. If so, then you are misinterpreting it. Rickey is ranked lower in hits/traffic to mjsbigblog by 822 rungs…

    That said, Rickey has a lot of traffic ‘” over the past 3 months, Alexa traffic rank was #21,841 in the US.

    For comparison:
    MJSBigBlog #21,019
    IdolForums #16,949
    PerezHilton #146 (highest traffic entertainment blog site)

  241. Kris will be on Ryan’s show tomorrow – 7:00am, in studio per Ryan’s producers tweet (ClarkDennis).

  242. Another show in ABC coming this November, which is about the interaction with alien’s culture, seems cool too. I heard Muse’s song at the end of the trailer.

    I just saw the commercial for this show. It’s “V”. It’s a refresh of an older alien series that I use to watch. ‘Uprising” was playing at the end. That song and the clips were very exciting. I am so into sci-fi.

  243. Awesome kris on ryans show!!!! coolz.so is llwd on iTunes 2morrow

  244. Oh definitely, readon, it’s been confirmed that Mad World is NOT in the premiere. But from the live east coast reports, the show sounds aMAZing. Can’t wait for it to start here in CA!

    Well, FOX’s evil plan worked; they got you to watch! Ha! Ha! Ha! (Snidely Whiplash mustache twirl)

  245. Thanks, ozarka, that was the one. I first thought the numbers reflected traffic, not relative ranking. My duh.

  246. Well, FOX’s evil plan worked; they got you to watch! Ha! Ha! Ha! (Snidely Whiplash mustache twirl)

    Yep. I got suckered in. It was worth it.

  247. Kris will be on Ryan’s show tomorrow ‘“ 7:00am, in studio per Ryan’s producers tweet (ClarkDennis).

    yea, that is good news! Surely that means that Ryan will play his song tomorrow, right?

  248. Well, FOX’s evil plan worked; they got you to watch! Ha! Ha! Ha! (Snidely Whiplash mustache twirl)

    It’s ABC, altho there are several Lost cast.

  249. Lambert defecates on Clay Aiken when it comes to technical skill. If this isn’t obvious to you after viewing the criteria and seeing enough Lambert performances, you’ve got some learning to do.

    Like I said before, Aiken would probably be like top 25 or 20. Comparing him to Lambert is just out of the question.

    Clay Aiken would be in the top 25 of most skilled rock vocalist, can’t stop laughing at this one.

  250. All Access has e-mailed Kris’ single to all its subscribers. Thanks All Access, the song sounds great. ;)

  251. It’s ABC, altho there are several Lost cast.

    I wondered whether I should check on that, but then I thought FOX couldn’t be that stupid; they must be making a dime off of this somehow…. Maybe that’s why the song isn’t being featured?

  252. Hey Guys –

    HEARD KRIS’ SONG ON THE RADIO IN DC!!!

    Got played on Hot99.5 for the nightly “Hot or Not?” challenge. DJs were squeeing over it. Looking for the listener tallies….

  253. Kris will be on Ryan’s show tomorrow ‘“ 7:00am, in studio per Ryan’s producers tweet (ClarkDennis).

    Awesome!

    IMO seems like Jive/19 are doing their job ;)

  254. Kris will be on Ryan’s show tomorrow ‘“ 7:00am, in studio per Ryan’s producers tweet (ClarkDennis).

    Good for Kris … and after all this ridiculous, unimportant Ricky crap.

  255. I remember many months ago my dad told me about how they were going to make a tv series called flash forward based on one of his favourite books.
    Fastforward a few months and I hear mad world on the trailer for Flashforward.
    And where I live it airs in 1h and 30 mins.
    Im excited 8D

  256. HEARD KRIS’ SONG ON THE RADIO IN DC!!!
    Got played on Hot99.5 for the nightly ‘Hot or Not?’  challenge. DJs were squeeing over it. Looking for the listener tallies’ ¦.

    Ok – from what I can currently see (might be looking at the wrong spot, but hey), local listeners who responded were mostly “love”, a few “eh”, and only one dislike (mostly for the “grunt”(?) in the beginning).

  257. There’s a rumor going around that Adam will be having a PR blitz starting on Monday.
    There’s buzz supposed to generate on Monday on 2012, the Donors Choose Project and also his album.

    They also think that his single will leak on Tuesday.
    As always have your salt handy, I guess we’ll see on Monday. :D

  258. Kris will be on Ryan’s show tomorrow ‘“ 7:00am, in studio per Ryan’s producers tweet (ClarkDennis).

    Altho llwd is not my cuppa, I’m glad that Kris gets the media exposure that he deserves.

    I’m some confused tho. Is going to Ryan’s show a routine for idol’s single, at least for the winner? I think Ryan’s show is top40, but isn’t llwd suit HAC better? How would spinning in Ryan’s show help llwd chart?

  259. There’s a rumor going around that Adam will be having a PR blitz starting on Monday.
    There’s buzz supposed to generate on Monday on 2012, the Donors Choose Project and also his album.

    can we ff to Monday?

  260. boredinschool, SOURCES??? SOURCES??? S O U R C E S ??? :)

    Booyah for Kris tomorrow. I hope that I get the single (iTunes Kris Pass) so I can learn the lyrics. ;) Lots of traffic due to Kris’s appearance on Ryan’s show, even if station chooses not to play the single after Ryan’s show.

    Liiivvvvv like there’s no tomooorrrrooo….

    (BTW, it just occurred to me that it would play into FlashForward in a weird sort of way; some of the characters would like that, and others would not.)

    ETA: No, you can only fast forward six months. With luck, Adam will be a world-wide sensation. Or, you know, touring behind a successful album. ;)

  261. Valentin432

    What Clay Aiken isn’t a rock star? Funny isn’t it. His fan thought he was and the boys weren’t impressed. Yesterday they tried to make it clear that they wouldn’t be putting Clay Aiken on the 100 most skilled rock vocalists list because they, apparently, they don’t consider him a rock vocalist… hmmm. wise ones. Unfortunately the troll didn’t recognize this so, they tried to pacify him by saying that Clay would be in the top 20-25 iff he were a rock singer. Actually, I think the troll upset them because he began to challenge some of the other singers on their list besides Adam. Were they all rock vocalists? He didn’t think that Adam was a rock singer either. So the boys mentioned Crawl Through Fire. Nuff said … as we know. The whole thing was a frustrating farce.

    But back to Kris and Adam. Exciting stuff just up ahead. Kris is on the radio … soon to be joined by Adam (and Allison too).

  262. can we ff to Monday?

    If only…:(

    boredinschool, SOURCES??? SOURCES??? S O U R C E S ??? :)

    none that are reliable just a rumor
    OH SHI– I just realized something. Darnit

  263. I’m some confused tho. Is going to Ryan’s show a routine for idol’s single, at least for the winner? I think Ryan’s show is top40, but isn’t llwd suit HAC better? How would spinning in Ryan’s show help llwd chart?

    I think he has had most, if not all, winners on at some point…as well as others (Daughtry, Pickler, etc). Some positives from appearing on Ryans show, regardless of whether the song ends up on kiis’ playlist: All of Ryan’s interviews also are aired on his AT40 show – more coverage…and also on his syndicated daily show, whose stations I don’t think all follow the same song-type format.

  264. OMK FREAKING OUTTTTTTTT I ALWAYS LISTEN TO HOT 99.5!!!!!!! LIKE 24/7!!!! EXCEPT FOR RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!’ OMGEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  265. Suebrody

    No, Kris isn’t still following Rickey. It’s confusing because evidently the home twitter page with all the icons hasn’t updated yet, but if you click on the link to show who all he is following, Rickey is no longer on there.

  266. Yeah am realy excited for Kris. I’ll have to get up earlier tomorrow.

  267. Well, FOX’s evil plan worked; they got you to watch! Ha! Ha! Ha! (Snidely Whiplash mustache twirl)

    sassycatz… I can see you doing this! hahahaha
    thanks for the laugh.
    And I don’t care if they use MW in the show. I will watch the show because it sounds like a good one.

  268. Good news about Kris being on Ryan’s show. Of course, now I have to get up early to listen (usually I’m at work here in L.A. by 7 am on Fridays, but this week my schedule changed and I was going to get to sleep in. Oh well — the things I do for bb Kris! hehe)

    And yay for LLWD beign on the DC station and getting a good response.

    Waiting to see if the rumors of Adam meda blitz starting Monday come true. I still haven’t heard anything about any release date for his single…do these rumors mean it will drop on Monday?

  269. Yeah I thought he was still followling rickey at first too but then I check the list and Rickey wasn’t on that part. I quit following him too. But am happy that Kris well be on Ryan’s show tomorrow. And hopefully when his album comes out he’ll prove some people wrong.


  270. Suebrody

    No, Kris isn’t still following Rickey. It’s confusing because evidently the home twitter page with all the icons hasn’t updated yet, but if you click on the link to show who all he is following, Rickey is no longer on there.

    Good. Rickey can suck it. He is now posting about SYTYCD. Since it was on last night, I have no idea why. I feel like tweeting, What does that have to do with Kris’s upcoming album, but I am restraining myself. ;)

    readon, flashforward looks awesome, but why flailing?

  271. Good! i like all the things ahead for Kris! Got to listen to Ryan’s show tomorrow morning. Great move from All Access

  272. Just for fun, we have been Flaling over this at AO. What is your reaction?

    Can’t be…can it???? But, if anyone could still be standing upright while the rest of the world is conked out, it would be a glittery alien….

    Gee, maybe I’ll have to have someone tape FF for me. Since the digital conversion, I no longer get ABC. (Yes, I’ve got my little converter box trying to upgrade me to the digital world, and it gets tired and gives up when I try to watch ABC.)

    Is FF on Hulu, or somewhere else on-line?

  273. Couple of tweets from Kris…

    #Just hung with @jonathanforeman and mike Elizondo writing some sweet muzac. Both these guys are crazy talented.#
    6 minutes ago from Echofon

    Mike Elizondo…that’s the guy a lot of us were hoping would produce Kris’ album

    #I’m gonna be on with @RyanSeacrest tomorrow morning so listen or bad things will happen to you.#
    5 minutes ago from Echofon

    oh noes…don’t want bad things to happen to me…guess I better listen

  274. Ah Suebrody what a great vid thinks for posting the link. What a handsome top two we had this year. They both have such really great smiles.

  275. Allison is sticking up for her “big brother”

    @KrisAllen4Real And so are you! So shut your face!!!
    3 minutes ago from Echofon in reply to KrisAllen4Real

    (in response to Kris tweeting about Jonathan Foreman and Mike Elizondo being talented)

  276. Yeah for Kris tweets. I’m going to listen.I don’t want anything bad to happen to me either.

  277. Speaking of Kris and Adam:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac2h-RxPsVQ

    Makes me happy every time I watch it. I am sure Adam will be listening to Kris’s interview with Ryan tomorrow and smiling.

    This video was perfect for those of us in the idol bubble. It captured the best of Season 8(at least the best that was Kris and Adam.) I hope whoever creates the Kris video can re-create a similiar emotion.

  278. luvadamlambert: OMK FREAKING OUTTTTTTTT I ALWAYS LISTEN TO HOT 99.5!!!!!!! LIKE 24/7!!!! EXCEPT FOR RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!’ OMGEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    [laugh] Figured that would be your station, luv. T’was cool to bop along to Kris on the drive home!

  279. Also: hwc ‘ ¦ if you are out there ‘ ¦ I apologize ‘ ¦ I really wasn’t trying to be critical of you ‘ ¦ and if my words caused you grief ‘ ¦ I am doubly sorry.

    I don’t remember anything that would cause me grief and, even if I don’t worry about it. I like to dish it out, so the last thing I’m gonna do is get upset if somebody zings me back.

    Here’s a secret. I really look at this Idol stuff as pretty much one big joke, I don’t take it that seriously. Last time I checked, none of the Idol wannabees had volunteered to give me a cut of the money they will make as huge world-wide stars. Screw ’em if they can’t take a joke, right?

  280. Can’t be’ ¦can it???? But, if anyone could still be standing upright while the rest of the world is conked out, it would be a glittery alien’ ¦.

    Gee, maybe I’ll have to have someone tape FF for me. Since the digital conversion, I no longer get ABC. (Yes, I’ve got my little converter box trying to upgrade me to the digital world, and it gets tired and gives up when I try to watch ABC.)

    Is FF on Hulu, or somewhere else on-line?

    That was my reaction, but having been in this padded room, I was going to blow it off. I then went to AO and others had the same reaction. I think we should be officially commited.

  281. Here’s a secret. I really look at this Idol stuff as pretty much one big joke, I don’t take it that seriously. Last time I checked, none of the Idol wannabees had volunteered to give me a cut of the money they will make as huge world-wide stars. Screw ’em if they can’t take a joke, right?

    Umm..you didn’t get your check…oh..ummm…never-mind :D

  282. Yes me too I’m going to listen.I don’t want anything bad to happen to me either…. lol

  283. Flash Forward will apparently be RESHOWN tomorrow night at 8 (for those who missed tonight)! :-)

  284. thanks girlygirl for the link. Kris is becoming better at interviews — he’s just more out there

  285. Thanks MJ for the David Cook articles.

    Good luck to Kris on his single launch. Glad to see he’s getting some media buzz.

  286. Flash Forward will apparently be RESHOWN tomorrow night at 8 (for those who missed tonight)!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoTx6dKNGmc

    If you watch tomorrow, watch for this at the end. Apparently, only yingang got it. I guess I am being too subtle, but if I say more, it will spoil it.

  287. readon do you really think? If so, I am amazed that the surprise was preserved… given all the people that would be ‘in the know’, it would be impressive if there weren’t any leaks.

  288. readon do you really think? If so, I am amazed that the surprise was preserved’ ¦ given all the people that would be ‘in the know’, it would be impressive if there weren’t any leaks.

    No. I don’t really think that it’s him. I think they are messing with us. But what if….

  289. readon
    September 24, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoTx6dKNGmc

    If you watch tomorrow, watch for this at the end. Apparently, only yingang got it. I guess I am being too subtle, but if I say more, it will spoil it.

    the resemblance is uncanny

    The wardrobe, the haircut…..Maybe there was no Mad World song…but….You think the creator of the show is messing with us. ;-)

  290. It’s times like this that I would like to erase my AI-obsessive summer from my mind, to try to figure out if the casual and non-fans would even raise an eyebrow at that very blurry picture.

    If, like you said, they are messing with us…. just how many of ‘us’ really notice?

  291. readon: Isn’t it though? Black holes and revelations.

    [snicker]

  292. No. I don’t really think that it’s him. I think they are messing with us. But what if’ ¦.

    Why do I get the feeling that the next time I check back on this thread, it will be up to 1,000 comments? LOL.

    But, I gotta go watch that clip again. Yep, I’m being messed with. Or…am I?

  293. There is no way that’s Adam, but that didn’t stop me from checking IMDb. No information there, so far. Cool show though.

  294. readon
    September 24, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoTx6dKNGmc

    If you watch tomorrow, watch for this at the end. Apparently, only yingang got it. I guess I am being too subtle, but if I say more, it will spoil it.

    the resemblance is uncanny

    that’s a good one!!

    I watched the show because I thought it would be good. I wasn’t listening for Mad World or anything related to Adam. In fact, I thought it was a good sign that I was watching an hour of non-Adam related TV. Then this clip comes up and immediately I say to myself, “That’s Adam”.

    I realized that I have gone over the edge, so I promise to myself that I will not mention it on this thread. So i go to the really crazies on AO and they are talking about the same thing. I subtley try to introduce this at Mj’s just to see if you guys would have the same reaction. It’s weird, isn’t it.

  295. I know there’s no way that’s Adam.. but for a moment it was fun to pretend.

  296. Yeah! Go Kris!

    …and Happy 1st Anniversary to Katy and Kris. What a first year it has been for them!

  297. I watched the show because I thought it would be good. I wasn’t listening for Mad World or anything related to Adam. In fact, I thought it was a good sign that I was watching an hour of non-Adam related TV. Then this clip comes up and immediately I say to myself, ‘That’s Adam’ .

    Oh, readon, I so relate to this.

  298. I know there’s no way that’s Adam.. but for a moment it was fun to pretend.

    I didn’t mean to kill your fun. Sorry. :( I was convincing myself because it did look like him.

  299. Wouldn’t that we kool if it was Adam. I didn’t even notice that at the end.

  300. I had my doubts about whether Kris’ single was for sure going to debut this Friday on ITunes… I guess that’s my answer! Music video following soon, hopefully. I always thought music videos came out immediately after the songs are released and were really crucial to a song’s success. But Cook’s video for LO came out a full month after the song came out’ ¦so maybe that will be Kris’ timeline as well? Four weeks… seems like a long time :-(

  301. Yay Kris for being on Itunes!! I thought it was supposed to show up tomorrow… :)

    CONGRATS AND MUCH SUCCESS!!!!

  302. Sigh – as the big media push (deservedly) heats up for Kris and Adam, I am resigning myself to the fact that David Cook’s never-ending-headlining tour may indeed end before I can see him again. Sigh. An EP or Deluxe DCTR from the tewer would make me feel better…

    and for any DC fans not on Twitter, here’s his latest twit [Edie is a puppy; his brother Andrew is student teaching – 3rd graders. I know way too much about this rocker guy]:
    thedavidcookSo, no haircut. Instead, I had a pizza party with a bunch of 3rd graders at James Walker Elementary today. Edie goes to her new home 2mrrw

  303. I always thought music videos came out immediately after the songs are released and were really crucial to a song’s success. But Cook’s video for LO came out a full month after the song came out’ ¦so maybe that will be Kris’ timeline as well?

    I guess so. Kris first priority is to finish his album for Nov release. He’s still recording tracks.

  304. alex_band just tweet kris saying more music is coming his way. And twitter is excited for Kris’s new single.

  305. David Cook is doing another twitter party. And Matt G got his luggage back.

  306. The Itunes version of Kris’s song to me sounds much better then what we had been given prior.

  307. Haha…Ryan (tried) to retweet Kris’ “threat” — but ran out of characters…

    #Very bad RT @KrisAllen4Real: I’m gonna be on with @RyanSeacrest tomorrow morning so listen or bad
    26 minutes ago from UberTwitter

    ad more news on the Kris front

    Alex_Band

    @KrisAllen4Real got some more songs coming your way man!
    17 minutes ago from Echofon

    Jonathan Foreman, who Kris was writing with today, is the lead signer/songwriter for the band Switchfoot…

  308. There is no way that’s Adam, but that didn’t stop me from checking IMDb.

    What is IMDb?

    I realize that Adam just finished a run on AI, a singing competition, but…why couldn’t it be Adam?? Odd coincidence that they used MW for promos, and then this glittery alien type is taunting us….

    Hey, congratulations KRIS!! I hope that the single sells well.

  309. I always thought music videos came out immediately after the songs are released and were really crucial to a song’s success. But Cook’s video for LO came out a full month after the song came out’ ¦so maybe that will be Kris’ timeline as well?

    I guess so. Kris first priority is to finish his album for Nov release. He’s still recording tracks.

    Billy Bush was saying at start of interview that Kris had been shooting a video in NewYork. Maybe he misunderstood that it was a photoshoot (as Kris saif to Jim C. but maybe he was doing both..)

  310. I unfollowed Rickey, too. If all the Kris and Adam fans unfollowed him, he would notice.

  311. See you later guys. RL will be major tomorrow. As always, it’s been fun.

  312. Why do I get the feeling that the next time I check back on this thread, it will be up to 1,000 comments? LOL.

    Yeah, could we drop the flailing over that Flash Forward clip here? It’s obviously NOT Adam, so it’s not really news. If it was already posted in the Adam thread, could we keep the convo there?

    There’s no point in having the exact same discussion in two different places (which is why I ask peeps, in my guidelines, to pick a thread to post news, and ONLY POST IT ONCE)

  313. Hey Guys –

    HEARD KRIS’ SONG ON THE RADIO IN DC!!!

    Got played on Hot99.5 for the nightly ‘Hot or Not?’  challenge. DJs were squeeing over it. Looking for the listener tallies’ ¦.

    That is great! Hopefully he’ll get some love there, they played Archie’s Crush a lot (probably still do spin it some). They refuse to play David Cook from what I can tell but if they play Kris’ song I’ll forgive them a little :)

  314. Sherena
    September 24, 2009 at 11:21 pm
    I had my doubts about whether Kris’ single was for sure going to debut this Friday on ITunes’ ¦ I guess that’s my answer! Music video following soon, hopefully. I always thought music videos came out immediately after the songs are released and were really crucial to a song’s success. But Cook’s video for LO came out a full month after the song came out’ ¦so maybe that will be Kris’ timeline as well? Four weeks’ ¦ seems like a long time

    Don’t know if this helps or not. Archie’s timeline (also with Jive)…

    July 1 – start of Idol tour
    July 10 – album up for pre-orders on Amazon
    August 1 – Z100 radio premier of single
    August 12 – single available on iTunes
    August 19 – Archie shoots video for Crush while on one-day break from Idol tour (there were still 18 concerts left) in the Atlanta area
    September 13 – end of Idol tour
    September 16 – Crush video released to iTunes
    September 14 – October 21 – rush to finish album before Jive’s deadline. Note: I couldn’t find the actual deadline day but he blogged he was doing the final “touch ups” to the album on Oct. 21 and he had not heard the mixed and mastered songs yet on that date and it turned out he never did get to hear all the songs himself before the album was actually released.
    November 11 – Album release day

    Probably more than you wanted to know. lol

  315. Oh, pooh, looks like I missed it. Well, I’ll just browse and see what I missed!

  316. David Cook is doing another twitter party. And Matt G got his luggage back.

    I’m so impressed with how fast he’s getting with these! I figured from looking at the search window it was showing about a 1,000 tweets+ coming every minute and he was answering questions pretty much every minute. I would be dizzy. When he started off by saying he had “her” on his lap (which he later said was the puppy) I could just imagine the mass implosion that second…LOL How adorable he went to a pizza party at an elementary school today.

  317. Ha, I liked this one.

    thedavidcookIAmTheRoo@thedavidcook would you ever do a Michael McDonald-off with @ImMattGiraud ? Yah-mo be there!!!

  318. I wish David would @reply his twitter parties. Filled up my whole screen. I’d rather see them all together on his screen than mixed in with everyone elses.

    That said, he does give a mean twitter party.

  319. The last girl he responded to thanking her, is that the girl from iCarly? I notice he’s following her..

    Kris tweeted about the single being on iTunes.

    eta: lol Matt’s response to him

    @ImMattGiraud you do a mean Michael McDonald? Why, so do I? We’ll have a “McDonald-off”

  320. and it turned out he never did get to hear all the songs himself before the album was actually released.

    So much for Idols having creative input or making songs their own. LOL, they don’t even let them hear the songs before they are released!

  321. Don’t know if this helps or not. Archie’s timeline (also with Jive)
    [snip]

    Probably more than you wanted to know. lol

    So it seems like 1 month is pretty standard, since both Cook and Archie took that long between their ITunes releases and their music videos premiering. That does help, thank you. The extra deets were interesting too– especially how Archie didn’t even get to hear his full final album pre-release. I feel like I’m becoming slowly ~educated about all things Idol. ^.^

  322. The Script’s song Breakeven is #12 on our college radio station’s playlist. I thought they were an obscure band?

    No. they are not obscure — in fact they are well known in a dozen countries, but they just started to be promoted in the US last Spring and just did their debut mini-tour in the US.

    Their song, LLWD, was obscure before Kris covered it. The Script recording of LLWD was one of two B Tracks on the UK CD Single of “We Cry”, sold in the US as an import by Amazon, and a bonus track on their Japanese “The Script” album. It may also be a bonus track on some other album versions because there are several different versions.

  323. If you do a search for Kris Allen on i-tunes, then you will find it since it’s not on the front page.

  324. Uh-oh!!! I may have to unfollow David Cook on twitter…he insulted me (well, not me specifically, me generally, since I’m a KU alum)

    librarybunny@thedavidcook anything you can say to chee up an Ole Miss fan whose team just lost? Could be worse. You could be a Kansas Fan.
    26 minutes ago from web

    (I tweeted him back, saying KU is 3-0 and ranked, thank you very much!)

  325. “I’m pretty sure the NYT will give Kris’s CD a fair hearing. If they review it. ” –adamaloha

    I’m sure their bias won’t change. But, miracles sometimes do happen. I believe, I believe…

  326. jmaster
    September 25, 2009 at 12:30 am

    Interesting tidbit from Rickey’s interview with former idol Jared Cotter:

    ‘I’m even writing my first rock song now.’  ‘For who?’  I asked. ‘Kris Allen.’ 
    http://www.rickey.org/?p=23200

    Ummm how can we believe a thing Rickey says? He’s admitted to posting crap for the hits. I’ve actually not gone there since about the 3rd time I ever went. I’m a fairly late-comer to this AI blogosphere (David Cook was my downfall. I had to know everything.), and I once went to Rickey’s looking for videos of SYTYCD (specifically the No Air performance of Joshua and Katee. It wasn’t there, though there were others. So I innocently asked where it was. Well I got more than 3 indignant posts about how Rickey can post whatever he wants. It just seemed wrong to me. If you cover a show, you cover it. I’m absolutely not into somebody telling me what I should want to see. Yeah, that’s exactly how I found his blog and was over it real quick. So yeah, I’m thinking that I made the right decision way back then…

  327. Adam’s songwriter/fantard Aimee Mayo is still tweeting away about the song of hers that Adam’s recorded. She seems to think it has a chance to be his first single. Does that mean they haven’t settled on “Strut” then???

    Chris (my hubby) just said 2 me “I don’t even know whats gonna happen when u hear Adam singing our song- you might disintegrate from joy.”
    about 1 hour ago from web

    @beautifulsoul29 Adam sang it & from what I heard HE KILLED IT- SANG HIS FACE OFF…but I haven’t heard it yet.
    about 1 hour ago from web in reply to beautifulsoul29

    @cynthilu From what I heard it is in the running for 1st single. So I hope it stays that way. I can’t even think about it…butterflies….
    about 1 hour ago from web in reply to cynthilu

    @cynthilu Nothing is ever for sure until you get the CD at Target. But Adam is working with the best of the best. It’s gonna be unbelievable
    about 1 hour ago from web in reply to cynthilu

    @silvertire I don’t wanna be “professional” I wanna dance! My hearts beating so fast it’s gonna fly out my nose!!
    31 minutes ago from web in reply to silvertire

    LOL at the last tweet — well, she’s honest, that’s for sure

    EDIT — @Silvertire is her husband! He’s trying to get her to calm down…ROFLMAO

  328. No. they are not obscure ‘” in fact they are well known in a dozen countries, but they just started to be promoted in the US last Spring and just did their debut mini-tour in the US.

    Despite placing high on some college radio station charts, your average American music consumer has likely never heard of the Script.

  329. If you do a search for Kris Allen on i-tunes, then you will find it since it’s not on the front page.

    I have a link to the single on my front page.

  330. mj
    September 25, 2009 at 12:45 am

    Despite placing high on some college radio station charts, your average American music consumer has likely never heard of the Script.

    I had actually heard of them through a video/commercial thingie they had on VH1 I guess it was. They had that thing going for 2 or 3 months at least in the Chicago market. Oh, and I liked what I heard. I went to check YouTube for the entire video and it has over 9 million hits, so I guess others, and not just abroad, have heard of them. That’s not a number to be sneezed at, I don’t think, and it’s also from what I can tell by their “official fan site” not a number inflated by a rabid fanbase. So I have to think that while they aren’t the biggest pop act of 2009, they do have a following. That may all come from abroad, but I think that regardless, they have something good going on to get 9 million hits on one video.

  331. HoppersSkippersMiners: HEARD KRIS’ SONG ON THE RADIO IN DC!!! Got played on Hot99.5 for the nightly ‘Hot or Not?’  challenge. DJs were squeeing over it. Looking for the listener tallies’ ¦.

    tierbee: That is great! Hopefully he’ll get some love there, they played Archie’s Crush a lot (probably still do spin it some). They refuse to play David Cook from what I can tell but if they play Kris’ song I’ll forgive them a little

    Admittedly 99.5 doesn’t play much David Cook (occasionally, not often – they play a LOT of Kelly and Daughtry), but both 94.7 and 107.3 do. *And* both of them play LO, etc as much as ToML. 97.1 seemingly only plays ToML, but that’s why its the sappy station…

  332. Here’s a similar timeline for Cook’s lead single off his album (thanks to FoolsApril64 for compiling most of this in the DCO archives). Every single has a different lifecycle. It is waaaay too early to be making a call about LLWD’s prospects for success at this point:

    * (SEP 19, 2008) Light On Song Title Announced
    * (SEP 22, 2008) Lyrics Revealed
    * (SEP 23, 2008) Audio Premiere – AOL PopEater Exclusive
    * (SEP 30, 2008) Available for Digital Download at iTunes, Amazon MP3
    etc.
    * (OCT 8, 2008) Light On sells 109,035 and debuts at #17 on Hot 100
    * (OCT 13, 2008) Official Impact Date: AC & HAC
    * (OCT 14, 2008) Official Impact Date: Top 40 & Rock
    * (OCT 16-17, 2008) Video Shoot w/ director Wayne Isham (Merge Films)
    * (NOV 3, 2008) Video Preview
    * (NOV 4, 2008) Light On Video Premiere – AOL Exclusive
    * (NOV 18, 2008) Album release
    * (NOV 22, 2008) Video Debuts at #1 on VH1 Top 20 Video Countdown
    * (JAN 11, 2009) After 15 weeks, single reaches 524,361 in sales
    * (FEB 1, 2009) Light On peaks at #20 on Top 40 radio
    * (MAR 1, 2009) Light On peaks at #4 on HAC radio and goes recurrent on the Hot 100
    * (JUN 28, 2009) Light On peaks at #11 on AC radio
    * (AUG 30, 2009) After 48 weeks, Light On reaches 1,000,000 in sales

  333. Admittedly 99.5 doesn’t play much David Cook (occasionally, not often ‘“ they play a LOT of Kelly and Daughtry), but both 94.7 and 107.3 do. *And* both of them play LO, etc as much as ToML. 97.1 seemingly only plays ToML, but that’s why its the sappy station’ ¦

    Ha, yes, it seems like every time I flip through the radio here I find David Cook. Don’t forget 92.5 – that’s a very Idol-friendly station here too if you can pick it up (out of Winchester, I think). I’d imagine 94.7/107.3/92.5 will play plenty of Kris and bonus if 99.5 does as well since that’s the Top 40 one here, right? I don’t listen much since I swear every time I turn it on I get Boom Boom Pow and I’m too old if I’m not drinking (which is rare) for Boom Boom Pow. HA!

    (Speaking of 107.3, they played Green River Ordinance tonight on their new music thing at 9 and I saw them open for David Cook at Birchmere so there’s my 40 degrees of David Cook for the night. Oh, and Tommy McFly was at Race for Hope and…)

  334. Couple of tweets from Kris’ ¦

    #Just hung with @jonathanforeman and mike Elizondo writing some sweet muzac. Both these guys are crazy talented.#
    6 minutes ago from Echofon

    OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! i cannot believe this! wowoowoowow..i’m super super super thrilled Kris is working with Jon Foreman (Switchfoot for anyone who hasnt heard of him). i absolutely loooovveeee Switchfoot and Jon! and kris working with them?????/ wowoow

    ok am i sounding like Luv now? who cares! this is the best news i’ve heard today…apart from kris’s single being on itunes of course

  335. I don’t listen much since I swear every time I turn it on I get Boom Boom Pow and I’m too old if I’m not drinking (which is rare) for Boom Boom Pow. HA!

    What’s your secret? I’m so old that drinking makes it all that much worse.

  336. What’s your secret? I’m so old that drinking makes it all that much worse.

    Being the manager for a rapper for a couple years increased my alcohol-fueled tolerance for music that makes my ears bleed. My artist’s stuff is fine… but some of the other stuff I had to listen to, good God. :)

  337. hwc

    Here’s a secret. I really look at this Idol stuff as pretty much one big joke, I don’t take it that seriously. Last time I checked, none of the Idol wannabees had volunteered to give me a cut of the money they will make as huge world-wide stars. Screw ’em if they can’t take a joke, right?

    No cut? What, really, no pay? I was worried that I’d be docked for time spent in the real world but … this … OMG hwc … I’ve already spent it! This is not good.

  338. Actually, I don’t know about you guys but I’m really beginning to like this Aimee Mayo person. She’s “kid in a candy store” excited (… so infectious) and I’m sorta hoping that her song does get to be the first single. Can you just imagine what kind of response that would get? Oh. Too much fun! Of course, the song better be pretty bloody good as well.

  339. @silvertire I don’t wanna be ‘professional’  I wanna dance! My hearts beating so fast it’s gonna fly out my nose!!
    31 minutes ago from web in reply to silvertire

    LOL! I love her. I hope her song is the first single.

  340. I lurve me some David Cook twitter Q&As (remember, he said it’s not a twitter party because there’s no punch or cookies. . . or something like that):

    pokertrace@thedavidcook do you have a zombie contingency plan? Run.

    annabbgood@thedavidcook Cook or Archuleta? Love this question. Archuleta.

    xsingxmyxsong@thedavidcook Favorite S7 Idol performance? Brooke White “Let It Be”

  341. interesting info on Josiah Lemming from Lindsay Parker, looks like full LP will come out:

    For those who asked, Josiah has 2 EPs out, full LP out March 2010. Label is letting him develop. His A&R guy has worked w/ Radiohead & Muse.
    20 minutes ago from Echofon

    Josiah Leming at House Of Blues http://twitpic.com/j13q7
    about 3 hours ago from Echofon

    Just saw Josiah Leming (@josiahmusic) at House Of Blues. Is it dorky I bought a t-shirt? That kid is so effing talented.
    about 3 hours ago from Echofon

  342. there’s no punch or cookies

    How about beer and pretzels? or peanuts?

    Sounds like he was a good party host even without the food.

    Night all.

  343. Adam is apparently in New Orleans.

    Check the Zodiac thread for tweet report. (Yes, I’m stalking again)

  344. Has this been posted?

    bigsis222 Oh, I forgot to share… ran into Adam Lambert in LAX yesterday. He’s heading to New Orleans for a gig.about 4 hours ago from Facebook

    @lullabyeblues I called his name, then I said who I was. We hugged, in line at security.

    Take with a grain of salt, I don’t know this person.

  345. fwiw…the Script is not nearly as obscure as people on these boards seem to think…all of the 13 year olds at a bat mitzvah i was at last month knew them (the dj played a script song and there was a lot of squealing and exclaiming “i love the script”….)….so they may not be big in the US but they are getting known (at least by the jewish 13 year olds of the greater buffalo, ny area….)

  346. fwiw’ ¦the Script is not nearly as obscure as people on these boards seem to think’ ¦

    I agree, the Script is not what I would consider as an obscure band. I’ve watched VH1 on Saturday mornings for years (while trying to get some housecleaning done – a Saturday ritual). That’s one way to become familiar with newer groups. Anyone who is a regular VH1 viewer will be familiar with the Script. They’ve done quite well there with their song “A Man Who Can’t be Moved”. I liked it.

  347. thedavidcookSo, no haircut.

    Errgh! Man, I wish his mother could sneak into his house with a pair of scissors and trim those bangs.

  348. Jon Foreman (Switchfoot for anyone who hasnt heard of him). i absolutely loooovveeee Switchfoot and Jon! and kris working with them?????/ wowoow

    Switchfoot is awesome! That’s a sound and style I would love for Kris.

  349. HoppersSkippersMiners
    September 25, 2009 at 12:56 am
    HoppersSkippersMiners: HEARD KRIS’ SONG ON THE RADIO IN DC!!! Got played on Hot99.5 for the nightly ‘Hot or Not?’  challenge. DJs were squeeing over it. Looking for the listener tallies’ ¦.

    Admittedly 99.5 doesn’t play much David Cook (occasionally, not often ‘“ they play a LOT of Kelly and Daughtry), but both 94.7 and 107.3 do.

    HSM, my daughter and I have a running bet as to whether Daughtry or Taylor Swift will be playing when we tune in Q107.3 in the car; 107.3 plays those two so much. Now we can add Kris’ song to the bet!

  350. I agree, the Script is not what I would consider as an obscure band. I’ve watched VH1 on Saturday mornings for years (while trying to get some housecleaning done ‘“ a Saturday ritual). That’s one way to become familiar with newer groups.

    Well, I don’t watch VH1, maybe that’s why I never heard of them. I’ve never heard them on my radio, either.

  351. Being the manager for a rapper for a couple years increased my alcohol-fueled tolerance for music that makes my ears bleed. My artist’s stuff is fine’ ¦ but some of the other stuff I had to listen to, good God. :)

    GET OUT!!!! I managed an underground rap group too (and a crew of battle djs) for a couple of years. Perhaps we’ve met? LOL

  352. GET OUT!!!! I managed an underground rap group too (and a crew of battle djs) for a couple of years. Perhaps we’ve met? LOL

    That is too funny :) . Well, if you’ve played in the DC/Richmond area… you may have come across Bludshot. Yes, this 36 yr old white chick who prefers acoustic music and is a huge David Cook fantard manages a rapper called Bludshot…

  353. That is too funny :) . Well, if you’ve played in the DC/Richmond area’ ¦ you may have come across Bludshot. Yes, this 36 yr old white chick who prefers acoustic music and is a huge David Cook fantard manages a rapper called Bludshot’ ¦

    No, I don’t remember a Bludshot. I would have totally remembered a Bludshot, you don’t forget a name like that! Ha! I had a group of young women named Anomolies and some DJs named 5th Platoon. That was back in the days before I became a boring married mother of 2. Sigh. :)

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