Idol Headlines for 08/21/10

Lynn: American Idol discovered Adam Lambert just like this

Thursday he spent a good portion of his early morning hours on a ladder directing crowd shots during AI’s rehearsals for Season 10 at AT&T Park. And he thought back to two years ago when he was doing the same thing at the Cow Palace across town.

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“Literally, all Idols start in this crowd, ” Lynn said. “Adam Lambert was one of these guys, ” he said as he waved his hand over the throng. “We recognized him around the end of this first day.

“You know Adam is really tall and we had heard there was some guy who had done Broadway stuff and he was pretty good. Of course, when it came to the second round we were told to keep an eye out for him.

Read more at the Press-Democrat

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Ryan Seacrest: Sometimes their parents lied

So, what changes, either forward or backward, does Lythgoe foresee?

“I really would like to see somebody who can sing and move. I’m so sick of watching people who are just wondering around. All of the stars of the show move. The next Michael Jackson must be out there somewhere.”

Maybe he’s right, maybe not.

The last three winners – David Cook, Kris Allen, Lee DeWyze – didn’t move, they sang. And AI has always been a singing competition, not a multi-talent show.

But Seacrest, seemed to buy into Lythgoe’s vision.

“If you look at some of the more popular acts. Look at Gaga for example. Most of the more popular acts are young and are spectacles on stage, ” Seacrest said.

“Younger contestents are more poised than the older people. And I think that is because of the internet and them performing on YouTube. They are just more comfortable.”

Read more at the Press Democrat

X Factor: Simon Cowell blasts Cheryl Cole for being a “spoilt brat” during string of bust ups

Simon Cowell kicked off the new series of X Factor by branding Cheryl Cole a spoilt brat during a string of bust-ups.

The acid-tongued judge tore into the star as they clashed over an act on the show, which starts tomorrow. He also accused her of making catty remarks about a band. A source said: “It’ll be war.”

Looks like the claws are out on X Factor as Simon Cowell places a saucer of milk down for Cheryl Cole after accusing her of making catty remarks.

Read more at Mirror.co.uk

Dannii Minogue is axed

Simon Cowell has decided to axe Dannii Minogue from the next series of The X Factor, a report has claimed.

Sources told a tabloid newspaper that Dannii’s determination to return to the show despite missing out on the early stages during maternity leave apparently angered some X Factor bosses.

An insider told The Sun that show bosses wanted one of the stand-in judges to complete the entire series.

Read more at stv.tv

Steven Tyler wacks Joe Perry in the Head with a Microphone Stand

Joe throws down his guitar and walks off the stage. via VFTW

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  1. So excited for another season of X-Factor! It’s already filled with drama :lol:

  2. DAVID ARCHULETA ACTS HIS OWN AGE

    David Archuleta has already experienced quite a lot at the young age of 19 years old. As we all know, fan favorite Archuleta was a runner up on American Idol, has toured the country with his music, and now has a best selling book. Unlike many young adults today, Archuleta has handled his fame with grace and style and remains true to himself and his values. With this kind of fame, can Archuleta ever just be a care-free guy and lead a normal life?

    [Audio clip of David’s commentary on the subject.]

    Clearly, Archuleta is a role model for today’s young stars and the younger generation in general.

    Source: Fox All Access

  3. That Idol article didn’t make me enthused.

    Most of the more popular acts are young and are spectacles on stage

    All I can picture are a bunch of flailing 15 year olds. Blecch. Guess we’ll see :)

  4. Wow. There’s so much spinning going on in those two Press-Democrat articles the top of the page looks like a Whirling Dervish convention.

  5. Well, I completely understand Nigel and Ryan.

    Idol is supposed to be a search for the next pop star. Someone that can compete with all other current artists on the pop charts. I guess they don’t mind if they find a HAC or country artist every few years.

    Last season we had a lot of guest performers every elimination night.
    Who? Ke$ha, Orianthi, Rihanna, P Diddy, Jason Derulo, Usher, Lady GaGa …

    Now, let’s think about season 9 contestants. Can anyone imagine them competing on the pop charts with the artists mentioned above?

    AI has a problem. It’s clear that AI’s main audience prefers HAC artists, but AI wants pop artists.

  6. I hate to tell Ryan’s this, but I doubt American Idol is going to find another Gaga or Michael Jackson. I understand Idol wants to find contestants that can add some life to the show, but they need to remember that the vocals are the most important. They don’t want to end up with some losers like X-Factor had with Jedward. I agree that they need to improve the quality of contestants, because another season like the previous, will kill the show.

  7. It’s clear that AI’s main audience prefers HAC artists, but AI wants pop artists.

    You have a point there. Though I would love for there to be an exciting R&B Idol or two or five; however much I dislike a lot of what is on Top 40 radio the stuff I *do* tend to like is more R&B/rhythmic (I like Jason Derulo, adore Ludacris, like some of Usher’s stuff though admittedly older ’cause OMG makes my ears bleed). What I do not want is Ke$ha, lol. Or a buch of Bieber-fetus-children.

  8. I hate to tell Ryan’s this, but I doubt American Idol is going to find another Gaga or Michael Jackson. I understand Idol wants to find contestants that can add some life to the show, but they need to remember that the vocals are the most important. They don’t want to end up with some losers like X-Factor had with Jedward. I agree that they need to improve the quality of contestants, because another season like the previous, will kill the show.

    Oh, I doubt they think they can find someone as iconic as GaGa or Michael Jackson. And they didn’t say that they don’t want good vocalists – they just want someone that will be also able to perform. X Factor found Alexandra Burke and JLS in season 5. JLS are a boyband, their album went at least 4x platinum in the UK – they sing and dance. Alexandra is a pop/rnb singer. She sings and also dances. I’m sure both acts got a lot of training during and after X Factor. I think Idol just wants someone with great stage presence during the show and they will deal with dancing later.

  9. They forgot to mention that Adam was not only tall but HOT, HOT, HOT. He would stand out in any crowd. Nice to heard that they want someone that can ” move”. Maybe this year if they have someone that can dance and sing they will acutally show it! For some reason Adam clips seemed more focus on head shots, even when he was “moving”. Maybe this is were will will see a divison of AI and X-Factor. One going the HAC route and the other going more main stream pop with contestants. I know which one I will be watching.

  10. The last three winners – David Cook, Kris Allen, Lee DeWyze – didn’t move, they sang.

    “Strange” how they don’t mention Carrie Underwood who also “didn’t move” especially on the show. “Funny” how she managed to become AI’s greatest success despite that. Meanwhile, Taylor Hicks, probably the biggest mover on the stage to win, is despised by TPTB.

    Wow. There’s so much spinning going on in those two Press-Democrat articles the top of the page looks like a Whirling Dervish convention.

    So true. Nice of the producers to let us know who they plan on pimping during the season. This way, we can ignore anybody but the teenagers that flail dance during their auditions. It’s a huge help when trying to get points in the pool.

  11. AI has a problem.

    Sure it does. Not least that TPTB are blaming people who played by the rules and had the temerity to win for failures that are the fault of TPTB.

    It’s disingenuous at best and stupid and rude at worst. There’s nothing wrong with wanting different kinds of contestants/winners. There IS something wrong with going about it by trashing their own product. It devalues their brand to say, “Well, we put on a crap show for three years, but trust us, this year will be REALLY exciting.”

    Sure Nigel and Ryan. I totally believe you. What faithful viewer wouldn’t want to watch your brand of star-making, invest time and effort in supporting a contestant, and then watch you trash them in press?

    Here’s a thought: why not focus on a positive new direction without tearing people down?

    But oh wait, that would require having some class, so of course, that’s never going to happen.

  12. Strange” how they don’t mention Carrie Underwood who also “didn’t move” especially on the show. “Funny” how she managed to become AI’s greatest success despite that. Meanwhile, Taylor Hicks, probably the biggest mover on the stage to win, is despised by TPTB.

    I agree with you about Carrie, however, as far as Taylor while yes, he did “move”, it could hardly be called dancing. I’m not exactly sure what you’d call it, but I’m pretty sure that’s not what they’re looking for.

  13. American Idol is not looking for the next great country star or anything else but a pop star. They need one to stay relevant in today’s music. They don’t want another winnner who’s just going to sit on a stool and sing, because that’s not what pop’s biggest acts are doing. I am not saying that these people are not stars or a success in the music business, but that’s not what American Idol needs again to survive. They need contestants to bring some excitement and interest to the show, especially for the younger viewers.

  14. AI has a problem.

    Sure it does. Not least that TPTB are blaming people who played by the rules and had the temerity to win for failures that are the fault of TPTB.

    Hear, hear! They do have a tendency to kill their spawn, don’t they? Unfair and unbecoming.

  15. Nigel (and Ryan too) are a$$S. Trash your own product. That’s real good business sense. Shall we say, last season of Idol now? Can’t wait to see the ratings.

    Can’t wait to see the past winners and contestants get as far away from idol as they can.

  16. Taylor Hicks was more famous for running around on stage like a spaz. I would hardly call that dancing, but it was entertaining. I remember that season thinking that guy is going to trip and fall any minute now.

  17. I agree with you about Carrie, however, as far as Taylor while yes, he did “move”, it could hardly be called dancing. I’m not exactly sure what you’d call it, but I’m pretty sure that’s not what they’re looking for.

    I know, but it is they who chose to use the term “move” and Taylor certainly did “move”.

    Here’s a thought: why not focus on a positive new direction without tearing people down?

    I know. Accentuate the positive. These guys now how to spin things, so spin things. How many times have we heard around here that “I never followed numbers until I started reading AI blogs”? Well, it’s true. So, you can spin anybody into a success because the public just doesn’t know (and the press generally finds it easier just to re-word press releases than actually do some research). So, they shouldn’t have a problem doing it. Give everybody an A+ for effort (you’ve done it before).

    Sure Nigel and Ryan. I totally believe you. What faithful viewer wouldn’t want to watch your brand of star-making, invest time and effort in supporting a contestant, and then watch you trash them in press?

    Exactly. Seriously, they need to get over themselves. Accept that things didn’t go as planned and move onto the next battle. Stop fighting the last war. They are smart. They could do it if they wanted to. Start talking about how the music scene is always changing and this is who they see would be a star this year. There is no need to trash the contestant from last year.

  18. Nina1:
    08/21/2010 at 11:10 am

    AI has a problem.

    Sure it does. Not least that TPTB are blaming people who played by the rules and had the temerity to win for failures that are the fault of TPTB.

    Hear, hear! They do have a tendency to kill their spawn, don’t they? Unfair and unbecoming.

    Of course they don’t care, it’s all a matter of what have you done for me lately. They care about the ones who are presently giving them good PR and spreading the American Idol brand. If you are not doing that, then you are not worth mentioning to them. It’s really going to be interesting this year to see which Idols they bring back to perform. It’s going to be a fight to get one of those guest performer spots.

  19. Sure Nigel and Ryan. I totally believe you. What faithful viewer wouldn’t want to watch your brand of star-making, invest time and effort in supporting a contestant, and then watch you trash them in press?

    No kidding. I usually could care less about this crap but the more I read and the more they say the less enthused I am about watching Idol next season. And I’ve been with them since Season 2.

  20. Well I’ve bought into their spin and see nothing but truth. Because though I might have liked the last three winners (well Lee not so much since I hated all of Season 9), they were pretty boring when you get into the pop world and a dime a dozen when you enter HAC/PopRock/etc. If they want to find someone who will give me a buzz-worthy audiovisual, then I say have at it.

  21. . X Factor found Alexandra Burke and JLS in season 5. JLS are a boyband, their album went at least 4x platinum in the UK – they sing and dance. Alexandra is a pop/rnb singer. She sings and also dances.

    JLS however has been a HUGE flop in the U.S. Also, yes JLS sings, but not well. Yes Alexandra dances, but not well. That is what you would get, someone who sings well whose lack of dancing hurts them, or a dancer whose singing isn’t up to par. I can’t believe so many people love the X-factor model, it is so more cheesy and frankly trashy.

    American Idol is not looking for the next great country star or anything else but a pop star .

    Every year since season 4 a country singer has been signed off the show, so sorry if I am going to disagree with you there lol. I think your confusing what you want with what the show wants. Trust me they were putting through a lot of country singers in Nashville.

  22. Sure Nigel and Ryan. I totally believe you. What faithful viewer wouldn’t want to watch your brand of star-making, invest time and effort in supporting a contestant, and then watch you trash them in press?

    Here’s a thought: why not focus on a positive new direction without tearing people down?

    Excellent post MollyAnnMolly! And why focus on the last three winners only. It’s not like Jordin, Carrie, Ruben, Fantasia and/or Kelly were dancers or movers onstage either. It sounds like a regurgitation of the WGWG meme going around, and it is lazy.

    Oh, and anyone who thinks that Cook can’t dance or move, I IMPLORE you to watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2YS9fWmMz8

  23. American Idol is not looking for the next great country star or anything else but a pop star .

    Every year since season 4 a country singer has been signed off the show, so sorry if I am going to disagree with you there lol. I think your confusing what you want with what the show wants. Trust me they were putting through a lot of country singers in Nashville.

    Sorry, but I think you are confusing what you want with what the show wants. The show wants a successful pop star, not a bunch of semi-successful singers, only known in their genre, of course not including Carrie in this bunch. The kind of pop star who can compete with the biggest stars not only in the US, but internationally.

  24. No one is exciting when singing 40 year old songs or Against All Odds one more time.

    Until they update the music, or allow people to sing their own, we’ll never see anything original or as interesting as a Gaga or MJ or even a KOL (not that they would deign to be involved with AI LOL).

  25. lizland:
    08/21/2010 at 12:32 pm
    No one is exciting when singing 40 year old songs or Against All Odds one more time.

    Until they update the music, or allow people to sing their own, we’ll never see anything original or as interesting as a Gaga or MJ or even a KOL (not that they would deign to be involved with AI LOL).

    I wish they could get KOL to come on the show, especially with a new album coming out.

  26. Excellent point lizland. They are tying the contestants’ hands behind their backs.

  27. Until they update the music, or allow people to sing their own, we’ll never see anything original or as interesting as a Gaga or MJ or even a KOL

    That’s the truth. Instead of making disparaging comments about their past winners, they might do better to focus on first of all the horrible production values and second of all the music that is even available to these people to perform in the first place. And THEY put through the Idols, so put through a wider group of talent instead of chosen ones surrounded by cannon fodder.

  28. The kind of pop star who can compete with the biggest stars not only in the US, but internationally.

    They are just going to make me enjoy it more when that fails to happen, lol.

  29. And, BTW, I completely understand that the music business isn’t fair and that they’d like a huge star. But I don’t think that trashing your own winners is the way to get there. It would make more sense to just put a good product out there. Keep your viewers you already have, and get more. I think they’ll, as usual, be two steps behind what pop music is doing. I’m fully expecting a herd of Bieb-lets. Just like last year they tried to load up with Taylor Swifts. Didn’t go so well.

  30. I haven’t seen Lee live, but I can report that David Cook and Kris Allen both “move” on stage quite a lot thanks very much. A quick glance at the YouTube vids of their tours prove that. And if you can’t sing, I don’t care what kind of stage spectacular you may present — to me, the music comes first, not the presentation. If you are a good musician AND you put on a show full of dancing, lazers, etc., that’s great, that’s a lot of fun. But if the music doesn’t work for me, the presentation will never make up for that.

  31. who are Alexandra Burke and JLS? Never heard of either one of them. Have they had ANY impact here in the States?

  32. I’m not interested in Vegas Idol. Or America’s Best Dance Crew, with voices added.

    I’m probably not interested in 15 year old singers, either. Unless they can showcase that rarity, another Judy Garland or someone like that. But they’re more interested in a Bieber. Good luck with that. You can’t recreate that kind of phenomenon. It comes along once in a while, it’s an anamoly. Who can even say why he’s successful? He’s a fad. Fads happen, play themselves out, the kids move on to the next one. The pop star ends up doing reality shows because nobody’s interested in his music five years from now.

    These people (AI) don’t have much of an idea of what makes a talented, legitimate artist, I guess – and they’re likely to pay for it, as their audience dwindles. It’s a TV series. To keep most people watching a series about singing, week to week, there have to be legit singing talents. Not to pick on Bieber again, but if you put him on TV every week, his weaknesses would be exposed soon. The same thing with many of the acts we’ve all seen on Idol who are pop successes, but whose live TV performances are lame and badly sung. Why would you watch these people on a show like Idol week after week without voting them off?

    The public generally has better taste, and their votes have proved it. I don’t think this show is going to last much longer, at this rate. But at least it produced some legit talents while it did.

  33. Last I checked Kelly is a pop star, and very relevant,and she doesnt bounce all over the stage. Or does that style of pop no longer mean anything because its not like Gaga?

    they were pretty boring when you get into the pop world and a dime a dozen when you enter HAC/PopRock/etc.

    Kris had a huge POP hit that went all the way to the Top 10. That’s boring? Maybe the direction Jive is taking him now is more HAC but thats their own screwup. Kris could have still been doing better on POP if they released the right songs. Lee hasn’t even released his own music yet, a little early to say hes boring in the Pop world.

  34. I have no issue with AI trying to find someone who “moves” or who puts on a big production — as long as those things are natural to the person’s style, not forced on them.

    I mean seriously — could you see Lee doing a choreographed dance routine to Use Somebody or Beautiful Day? LOL — that would NOT make any sense at all

  35. I have no issue with AI trying to find someone who “moves” or who puts on a big production — as long as those things are natural to the person’s style, not forced on them.

    Yeah but the key words there are “trying to find.” If that’s what they’re trying to find, they’ll find it, or encourage people to whom it’s unnantural to act that way.

    I actually see this as trying to boost ratings with more of a variety-type show, anyway. Rather than caring so much who wins. Aren’t they really concerned with ratings and sponsorship?

    AI has always been somewhat dull because it’s just singer #1, singer #2, singer #3, etc. It lacks variety. If they turn it into somewhat more of an entertainment/performing competition rather than just a singing/music competition, they probably figure it will be fresh and different. I think they will change the show for the worse, though, because it will just be twice as cheesy.

  36. I think they should rename the show to Pop Star. What they are really looking for is lite pop, pop-rock, country-pop stars. Anybody outside of that genre doesn’t have a chance in hell (Taylor Hicks, Bo Bice, Reuben Studdard, Fantasia).

  37. No one is exciting when singing 40 year old songs or Against All Odds one more time.

    I know what you’re trying to say but Adam was pretty darn exciting singing TOMT and Kris when he did SWHFTM. If the talent is there, you can make anything exciting. This year, IMO, the talent just wasn’t there.

  38. Sorry, but I think you are confusing what you want with what the show wants. The show wants a successful pop star, not a bunch of semi-successful singers, only known in their genre, of course not including Carrie in this bunch. The kind of pop star who can compete with the biggest stars not only in the US, but internationally.

    I think the show would love another very successful county music person, ala Taylor Swift. Who yes, has had crossover success in the pop world, but is still considered country. Last season the judges were doing a lot of referencing to her, and clearly in trying to ‘year of the girl’ get someone like her. At least to some degree. So I think the show is fine and dandy with country…as long as the AI person is successful at it. Which yeah, is always the aim, and a crapshoot. But then music is a crapshoot in general, in terms of the success of things, so no reason why AI would be totally different. Yes, it has had more of a cushion in terms of at last first album and single/coronation sales because of the nature of the show, but it’s to be expected that even that is going to be relative.

    That being said, I do think the show is right to worry about the sales of last seasons winner, and to a lesser degree runner-up. And this season’s sales in terms of coronation singles, aren’t great thus far, nor were their iTunes sales great, nor were the tour sales great. So I can see why the show’s PTB are worrying about diminishing returns. That being said, I think their expectations of getting someone Ke$sha or Beiber like, are slim, and that the viewing populace would reward people like that anyway. I think the ‘wanting pop stars with an HAC audience,’ is very apt. But I also think country could fly with the AI audience, so probably a better chance of getting someone like that through the show, than someone R&B/urban at this point. Which yes, grrrrr.

  39. LMAOOOOOOO!!!! AI has become a joke. Didn’t they trash Adam and Kris just before last season began as to how they didn’t make records expected of them? And went on to say that guys from the show don’t do well because of that they wanted a female winner?
    They ended up with yet another male winner after trying so hard and failing lol.
    Good luck to them! They should thank their stars they have winners who are very talented musicians because looking back from time past, artists like that are the ones who stayed on the music scene for a very loooong time though they didn’t explode like Gaga and those names they mentioned.

  40. Kirsten: “Strange” how they don’t mention Carrie Underwood who also “didn’t move” especially on the show.

    The Farmbot begs to differ. Mechanically swaying your hips back and forth is too moving ;)

    bridgette12: American Idol is not looking for the next great country star or anything else but a pop star .

    I wouldn’t be too sure about that. Check out the SF Weekly recap of SF auditions.

    Other contestants got a more informed rejection. Austin Stoddard, a 20-year-old with a pretty boy look, said he was told that his rejection had nothing to do with his appearance or talent. “They told me, ‘You have a great voice, but we’re looking for something more like Carrie Underwood,'” he laughed.

    I don’t know if that’s true but if it is then I don’t think they’re only interested in pop.

    bridgette12: They need one to stay relevant in today’s music.

    Since when is CHR music the only relevant kind of music?

    The downside of the return of Nigel IMO will be even more manipulation, all in the name of a “better” show according to their standards. The grassy knoll might be a lot more interesting with Nigel coming back and Universal involved.

  41. But don’t you think there is an issue of a disconnect with on the show and after? Not with David Cook, but Kris was obviously a very popular winner yet his album didnt do wells for a winner and his headliining concerts aren’t filling even smallish venues for the most part. Lee’s sales of his coronation/AI singles aren’t starting out well and last season was full of similar types and the tour is not selling as well as the last two seasons. With music sales being lower than ever, I’m sure 19 is hoping that maybe a different style might attract more people to increase concert revenues. Again, I don’t think that David Cook had that problem.

    I don’t think they need to diss their past contestants, focusing on the future,would be much better, but I don’t think their strategy is flawed. I still think a mix of styles would be best, but we’ll see.

  42. I have no issue with AI trying to find someone who “moves” or who puts on a big production — as long as those things are natural to the person’s style, not forced on them.

    That’s how I feel, too. I’m not saying I’m against someone who moves. Why would anyone be against that? Someone who moves like Michael Jackson, for example. Who would object to that? I wouldn’t want there to be extensive choreography, though. To me, that gets into other areas of competition. If a person moves naturally and does a few pre-rehearsed moves, great.

    The “big production” I have less use for. The size of a few of Adam’s numbers, I have no problem with. It was just staging. It wasn’t, in my opinion, overly extensive (with the possible exception of the second Mad World. But that’s a choice, and it’s okay if that’s who the artist is. Also, it was at the end of the competition).

    But I would hate it if AI became a show where the singers were just trying to out-do each other with huge, overblown stage effects. This would be a totally new and different show – and I think it should actually be done, if at all, on a different show. Not on this show.

    and his headliining concerts aren’t filling even smallish venues for the most part.

    Yeah, his concerts are filling even smallish (and even largish) venues for the most part. At least now that the tour has gotten underway. I can’t say they’re all SOLD OUT but some have been, and the rest have been pretty successfully “filled”, which means a mostly filled house. Anyway, this isn’t the concert stats thread, so that’s all I want to say, I guess.

  43. If there is a lesson Idol learned from last season, is that they need variety. Last year was a avalanche of nervous, guitar carrying, wannabe pop stars, with no personalities. Maybe they were going for singer/songwriter type, but to their detriment they failed miserably. As for the record companies, I don’t care how much we love our favorites, if they can’t compete in today’s music market, they will be dropped for someone better. It’s a business and the singers are commodities. Record sells are down and so are successful tours. The major record companies are not going to invest big bucks into artist who are not producing. They don’t care how nice you are or whether you came off of Idol or not, it’s all about selling records and keeping your record company happy.

  44. If there is a lesson Idol learned from last season, is that they need variety. Last year was a avalanche of nervous, guitar carrying, wannabe pop stars, with no personalities. Maybe they were going for singer/songwriter type, but to their detriment they failed miserably

    I thought they were going for a girl winner last year. If so, they failed miserably at that, too.

    Were they going for a singer-songwriter type of girl? I don’t know. They got one, in the Top 3, but were they looking for one?

    I honestly think – minority opinion – they were not especially looking for a singer-songwriter. After all, this doesn’t describe many of the Top 24. The judges chose the usual variety of types. Even after people voted, only about half of the Top 10 can be called singer-songwriters.

    I think you have to say that some years are better than others. Last year was also a year that had low turnouts at auditions, right? That can affect the quality of the show, as well.

    You know, I agree last season sucked, but would you agree they must have chosen the best people they had available to them to choose? And still have a “cast” that they hoped would work well for their season and have a little variety of personality and musical style?

  45. CindyM:
    08/21/2010 at 1:45 pm
    But don’t you think there is an issue of a disconnect with on the show and after?

    Of course there has been a disconnect, just look at some of the contestants over the years they have let get to the top ten. Some of those people were just filler material, very lacking in talent. The music business changed, but Idol never did and what they have produced and said were stars, some of them haven’t been able to compete and succeed. As for Cook, I don’t doubt for a second is going to have another platinum album. Of the last four winners, he’s certainly by far the best. He’s proven he can sell records and have a successful tour.

  46. What sort of show is Kris doing in the smaller venues he’s visiting? Is he alternating acoustic shows in small venues with bigger ones with a larger band at other places? Just trying to understand the strategy of how this works in his team’s design for Kris’s solo tour.

  47. ross:
    08/21/2010 at 2:08 pm

    If there is a lesson Idol learned from last season, is that they need variety. Last year was a avalanche of nervous, guitar carrying, wannabe pop stars, with no personalities. Maybe they were going for singer/songwriter type, but to their detriment they failed miserably

    You know, I agree last season sucked, but would you agree they must have chosen the best people they had available to them to choose? And still have a “cast” that they hoped would work well for their season and have a little variety of personality and musical style?

    I don’t think for a second that these people were the best that was availble. Those guys were the worst collection I had ever seen on the nine seasons of Idol. As for the girls, what were they thinking. They kept saying this was the year a female would win and none of the girls were anything I would listen to. I think they had better contestants, but they got so caught up in finding a certain type, they forgot substance and variety.

  48. What sort of show is Kris doing in the smaller venues he’s visiting? Is he alternating acoustic shows in small venues with bigger ones with a larger band at other places? Just trying to understand the strategy of how this works in his team’s design for Kris’s solo tour.

    I think I’m correct in stating he plays with his full band at all the shows he headlines (small or large) and all his shows where he opens for other acts like Maroon 5 and Keith Urban. In a some of these shows Kris does an acoustic encore, or once in a while the band does an acoustic number.

    He only does acoustic performances, which would be him and one or two members of his band, for some radio station concerts (though those are usually with the full band, also), some trade shows, and for on-air radio gigs and that type of thing. A lot of artists do this, so I guess it’s the usual thing.

    I don’t think for a second that these people were the best that was availble. Those guys were the worst collection I had ever seen on the nine seasons of Idol. As for the girls, what were they thinking. They kept saying this was the year a female would win and none of the girls were anything I would listen to. I think they had better contestants, but they got so caught up in finding a certain type, they forgot substance and variety.

    Where were these better girl contestants they were hiding from us?

    Why would they not try to choose the best people available? Simon and Randy had been doing this for nine seasons, right? They must have had some idea of what works on the show and what doesn’t.

    I agree there were better people in the Top 100 (which they also chose) than some that made Top 24. But I would say there must have been adequate reasons for their failing to advance, such as their being too similar to one another. I still think the show does its best to find a cast. Not only of good singers but people who will come across on TV, are attractive, and seem to go well together. I can see in the Top 24 of last season a conscious decision to choose interesting people. Maybe the voters didn’t choose some of them, but that’s their fault.

  49. Again, I don’t think that David Cook had that problem.

    As for Cook, I don’t doubt for a second is going to have another platinum album. Of the last four winners, he’s certainly by far the best. He’s proven he can sell records and have a successful tour.

    I definitely think that David Cook is the best out of the last four winners of Idol. And I don’t care to see it when he gets lumped into what people think is wrong with Idol. He don’t deserve that. I know that some people including people in the media feel like him, Kris and Lee are all very similar in style.

    There are similarities between the three. But I definitely do think there are some differences in David’s music, style and voice, from Kris and Lee. (And there are differences between Kris and Lee as well)

    Though it does seem like people feel like these three guys are very similar. But regardless of that I don’t think that David Cook should be lumped into what’s been going wrong with Idol. Because David Cook has been pretty successful and he came from a “feel good” season.

    When David Cook won, a lot of people weren’t thinking what’s wrong with
    idol, they were thinking Idol got it right. Even if some people weren’t a fan of David Cook, they still thought he was a deserving winner. Plus David is the last Idol winner to have a platinum album and I believe is the last artist period off of Idol to have a platinum album.

    He’s managed to be successful so I don’t think he should be lumped into what’s wrong with idol, even if people do think he’s similar to Kris/Lee in ways.

    I don’t know if he will get another platinum album, but hopefully he will still do fine. I think that he still has a lot of fans around who will buy his music.

  50. bridgette12:
    08/21/2010 at 1:51 pm

    If there is a lesson Idol learned from last season, is that they need variety. Last year was a avalanche of nervous, guitar carrying, wannabe pop stars, with no personalities. Maybe they were going for singer/songwriter type, but to their detriment they failed miserably.

    I have to think in some ways it was the voting public that failed. Lilly, Katelyn and others that were voted off early certainly brought a uniqueness that would have made for a much more memorable season and probably tour.

  51. I think I’m correct in stating he plays with his full band at all the shows he headlines (small or large) and all his shows where he opens for other acts like Maroon 5 and Keith Urban. In a some of these shows Kris does an acoustic encore, or once in a while the band does an acoustic number.

    Thanks. What are they trying to accomplish with the small venues then on his tour strategy? Not meaning that to be critical of Kris, just curious. I was guessing maybe they wanted him to have some opportunities to do very intimate acoustic shows, but that must not be the right answer.

    I gather that he’s been going to a range of venue sizes and the small ones are only part of the overall mix. It just seems curious about the small ones, as I would assume Kris can sell enough tickets to warrant larger places at the different cities than some of the venues where they’ve chosen to book him (going to the Social club in Orlando last night, for ex., vs. to a House of Blues-scale venue).

    Since his appearances probably were booked quite a long time ago, with the venues chosen deliberately, they must have some strategy of how they think the smaller gigs fit into his touring gameplan.

  52. No matter what Idol says they are looking for or what we may think they are looking for, they don’t tend to cast the contest to produce super stars. It was obvious TPTB tried to engineer a girl win for S9. To help ensure that, some very talented guys were sent home in the Hollywood rounds. I can think of three now that didn’t make the Top 24 but who were each clearly head and shoulders better than Lee.

    If Idol would get out of the way and let the cream float to the top without any interference, they just might get some of the big earners they claim to want.

  53. The majority of Kris’s venues have been small though. There’s the occasional casino or fair, but I think the majority have been 1k or lower right? I think someone said last nights venue was 450 or so? Was it sold out?

    It will be interesting to see what happens in Season 10. Will the voters go along with tptb plans or will they revolt and crown someone in a similar vein to Lee? suspense!!

  54. Well, they really do need to make a product shift on Idol, and quick. I predict in two years time that X-Factor with Simon and Paula will replace Idol as Americas favorite singing show.

    I think the main problem that Nigel will face in creating a pop star is, like others have mentioned, the AI audience is generally HAC. Not saying all are, but the biggest portion of AI’s audience is middle-aged female. They probably are not too interested in The Beib. If they can successfully shift the show to younger contestants and audience, it may work. Hiring Tyler is NOT on the right track. Usher (or someone like him) may have been a better choice.

    Again, I don’t think it will matter. X-Factor will rule in the near future. That show has a better chance of creating a young pop star as the judges/producers can be directly involved in choosing songs and staging for the young ones. Maybe Nigel should forget his new focus and just concentrate on finding white male pop rock. We know that has an audience…

  55. Defense of CindyM(not that the blogger needs it)Kris Allen for being well liked and quite popular on Idol after the show his cd sales were just ok for a winner. Business/AI standard point headline tour is doing ok spin it all you want and Use the economy partly to blame problem with that totally the reasonis why is Adam doing a bit better factor..Numbers wise season 8 for sales and ratings for 9 are not up to Ai standards .Profile for an Idol winner its a cute guy ,sings and mid to early 20’s for the last 3 years.American Idol analysis the heck out of it but all they care about is their bottom line.

  56. It just seems curious about the small ones, as I would assume Kris can sell enough tickets to warrant larger places at the different cities than some of the venues where they’ve chosen to book him (going to the Social club in Orlando last night, for ex., vs. to a House of Blues-scale venue).

    I think he already played the House of Blues in Orlando, once. I thought so, but I really don’t remember.

    Anyway, he was in Florida opening for Maroon 5 the night before. I’m sure a lot of where people are booked is about what’s available at any given time. The kind of mixed tour Kris is doing, opening for some acts, headlining others, playing radio station concerts, requires a certain type of planning and booking. Which is different from something like Adam’s headlining tour.

    One thing I notice about some venues Kris headlining gigs is that they represent a certain type of style, or audience. For example, as I pointed out on his concert thread, today, The Social in Orlando got a rating of ****1/2 out of ***** stars from 14 people who rated it on the Orlando Sentinel’s club page. It was called Orlando’s premier venue for a certain kind of concert. It seems to be considered a youth oriented (30 and under) type of venue. It features indie, emo, metal, rock, hip hop, and a lot of other music that wouldn’t necessarily be associated with Idol. So maybe that’s the point.

    The samllish place Kris played in San Diego was a music-oriented venue, a classy restaurant-club type venue where the emphasis is on good music.

    I guess that, to me, Kris has been booked into exactly the types of places I’d like to go to see him. And where I think he himself would probably like to go to hear music. I think it’s important that artists are booked into places where they fit.

    So these as well as some of the larger venues he’s headlined seem (to me anyway) to be a good fit for Kris. It’s more about that, than anything else, I think. It seems a good route to establishing him as the kind of artist he is. If you were to follow some of the concerts on his concert threads, I think this would proably become clearer.

    The majority of Kris’s venues have been small though. There’s the occasional casino or fair, but I think the majority have been 1k or lower right? I think someone said last nights venue was 450 or so? Was it sold out?

    He’s also opening for several huge acts, across the country, in venues that are arena-size. He isn’t just doing a headlining tour. What about that is unclear?

    When venues are fitted into his schedule where he can headline, he headlines. Some are large. Some are small. Some sell out. Some don’t.

    edit: no blog on blog talk

  57. I don’t think Kris deserves to be lumped into the “what’s wrong with Idol” category either. He’s getting played on the radio, his 1st single sold a ton, and his tour seems to be going just fine (I doubt his mgmt would be sending him out again in the fall if it wasn’t going well). As for Lee, I wouldn’t blame him, either, no matter how successful he is or isn’t in the future. All these contestants do is get up there and try to perform to the best of their ability — they have no real control over what happens.

    What’s wrong with AI falls pretty much on the shoulders of TPTB. They don’t let the contestants sing their original music, and they prefer they sing music from 40-50 years ago rather than anything relatively current. How exactly is that supposed to help these kids appear relevant? The production values are pretty crap and the stage itself is pretty small (except for the Finale when they move to the Nokia). Adam probably did the best anyone could with the limited staging options available to him, but it’s not like the show is set up for big production values/elaborate staging/backup dancers, etc. Then they saddle the winner with a crap coronation song instead of allowing them to release something that is relevant to the type of music they are going to put out on their own. Yeah, like that’s a good idea…

    The rest of the blame probably falls on the voters. If you don’t want another WGWG to win, then pick up the phone and vote for someone else. last I checked, tweens are not the only people with access to unlimited text messaging or phone calls.

  58. I think that the closest that Idol has come to finding an iconic pop star like Madonna or Michael Jackson has been with Adam. And I think it’s too early to say that this won’t happen.

    I also think that the singer songwriters that they have had on Idol do reflect what is going on in music, since there are many of them on the charts right now. And I do think that to some extent that AI seems to target HAC is because it is the nature of the type of music they are doing. Like if there is rap or autotuned singers on the pop charts, they wouldn’t be competing on Idol.

    I disagree about them not moving, especially with David Cook, and probably Kris too. He moved around just enough for the type of music he does. Not everyone has to be a dancer to be in music. It depends on what kind of artist they are

  59. I haven’t seen Lee live, but I can report that David Cook and Kris Allen both “move” on stage quite a lot thanks very much. A quick glance at the YouTube vids of their tours prove that.

    I don’t think they meant “move” quite so literally. I think perhaps they meant someone who is not only a singer but also a performer … maybe someone like Adam.

  60. someone who is not only a singer but also a performer … maybe someone like Adam.

    It did cross my mind that they might be looking for a younger, more malleable Adam type. Like one they can better control ;)

  61. Oh, here comes the latest chapter in ‘American Idol revisionism’ and the set-up for the Teen Chosen One(s):

    “I really would like to see somebody who can sing and move. I’m so sick of watching people who are just wondering around. All of the stars of the show move. The next Michael Jackson must be out there somewhere.”

    Maybe he’s right, maybe not.

    The last three winners – David Cook, Kris Allen, Lee DeWyze – didn’t move, they sang. And AI has always been a singing competition, not a multi-talent show.

    But Seacrest, seemed to buy into Lythgoe’s vision.

    “If you look at some of the more popular acts. Look at Gaga for example. Most of the more popular acts are young and are spectacles on stage,” Seacrest said.

    “Younger contestents are more poised than the older people. And I think that is because of the internet and them performing on YouTube. They are just more comofortable.”

    What a bunch of BS. Carrie Underwood, as terrific a singer as she was on Idol, was awkward beyond belief. Much more awkward than Cook or Allen. And Taylor Hicks was a hoot as a performer, which is why he one the whole damn shebang.

    Meanwhile teenager Alex Lambert about peed his pants on stage. That didn’t stop Simon Fuller from recognizing his talent or appeal, signing him to his other reality show and helping the kid form a band.

    Just how stupid does Nigel Lythgoe think the average American is? (That was a rhetorical question!)

  62. Sorry, but I think you are confusing what you want with what the show wants. The show wants a successful pop star, not a bunch of semi-successful singers, only known in their genre, of course not including Carrie in this bunch. The kind of pop star who can compete with the biggest stars not only in the US, but internationally.

    Then why would they cast a Casey James, or a Danny Gokey, or a Kellie Pickler? There are smart people running this show who understand that the pop format is not the only one that exists, and in fact is probably not the most viable format for long term success. Country has always been welcomed with open arms on the show.

    Just how stupid does Nigel Lythgoe think the average American is? (That was a rhetorical question!)

    Unfortunately Nigel is probably right about the stupidity levels of America. That’s why he probably wants to shift more to the X-Factor, because the numerous morons in this country are going to eat up that vapid, trashy garbage.

  63. Oh, here comes the latest chapter in ‘American Idol revisionism’ and the set-up for the Teen Chosen One(s):

    It’s so obnoxious but didn’t some of you guys call it, that David Cook and his seemingly forgotten platinum sales would get lumped into the WGWG backlash? *Grumble* Oh well. I need to just sit tight, be excited for new David Cook music that may or may not come before my hair turns gray, and see if I can get annoyed enough with Idol to not watch. Which really *will* be the first time since Season 2.

  64. I think he already played the House of Blues in Orlando, once. I thought so, but I really don’t remember.

    Anyway, he was in Florida opening for Maroon 5 the night before. I’m sure a lot of where people are booked is about what’s available at any given time. The kind of mixed tour Kris is doing, opening for some acts, headlining others, playing radio station concerts, requires a certain type of planning and booking. Which is different from something like Adam’s headlining tour.

    But, and again I don’t mean this as a bash on Kris as I realize he’s going to different types of places of different sizes, Danny has been opening for major acts at big arena venues, and doing misc. radio station concerts along the way, but has rarely if ever been booked that I can recall for a headlining show into a venue much below ~750-person capacity.

    So it seems to be something that people designing a tour can work out if they want for artists with the level of name recognition the AI8 top 3 got coming out of the show, to get their person into venues of a certain size. So it’s hard to imagine that Kris’s peeps are choosing the small venues because that’s all that was available for scheduling. They must have some other reason in their strategy for him.

    One thing I notice about some venues Kris headlining gigs is that they represent a certain type of style, or audience. [..] I guess that, to me, Kris has been booked into exactly the types of places I’d like to go to see him. And where I think he himself would probably like to go to hear music. I think it’s important that artists are booked into places where they fit.

    Thanks. Maybe that’s what it’s about.

  65. Wow. There’s so much spinning going on in those two Press-Democrat articles the top of the page looks like a Whirling Dervish convention

    So I get the spin in the second article, and mileage is clearly varying here. But what spin is there in the first article? It seemed pretty straightforward to me (and honestly kind of dull) about one of the producers and what that entails at one of the auditions. Mostly, it seems, organizing people, with or without a ladder.

  66. tierbee: It’s so obnoxious but didn’t some of you guys call it, that David Cook and his seemingly forgotten platinum sales would get lumped into the WGWG backlash? *Grumble* Oh well. I need to just sit tight, be excited for new David Cook music that may or may not come before my hair turns gray, and see if I can get annoyed enough with Idol to not watch. Which really *will* be the first time since Season 2.

    People definitely called it.

    It’s so weird because in some ways the fact that X Factor USA’s coming makes me root for AI to get better and get it right especially since it’s been such a fun habit since 2002. But I keep getting the vibes that a) the changes the producers will make to freshen up the show will favor music and elements that turn me off and b) a bunch of middle aged men making show decisions trying to attract the ‘cool’ demo will lead to unintentionally hilarious results. I think AI would be loads more fun if they embraced the cheese and didn’t try to be so hip.

  67. So I get the spin in the second article, and mileage is clearly varying here. But what spin is there in the first article? It seemed pretty straightforward to me (and honestly kind of dull) about one of the producers and what that entails at one of the auditions. Mostly, it seems, organizing people, with or without a ladder.

    I think a lot of people believe Adam was a plant, so the spin might be that Adam was just spotted in the crowd?

    ETA not that I believe this. I think several people have been plants in the past, but not Adam

  68. What I am hearing from this is not that the guys didn’t move, but didn’t move in a calculated, choreographed way ala Michael Jackson – which is true, but not necessarily a bad thing. Their genres do not call for that type of movement, and they would look silly doing it. The type of singers they stacked season 9 with would likewise have looked silly doing that to their type of music, with few exceptions.

    I kind of think that the success of the rock/pop-rock bunch in recent years is that there is an unmet desire for current rock with good vocals from men. I know I was personally getting tired of airwaves dominated by women or by male rockers with questionable voices. I should note, I am not a Lee fan, BTW.

  69. Of course, I should note that rock radio won’t actually play the Idols, so the need must shift to HAC to be met for the most part.

  70. Oh, and I have to laugh about the idea that the younger ones are more poised than the older ones. I did not see that at all.

  71. I think AI would be loads more fun if they embraced the cheese and didn’t try to be so hip.

    I know, right? I want the S7-esque group songs back with mostly real singing and pointy poses. It’s a cheesy show that actually finds some real talent, and I like it that way. It would make more sense to me to just clean the show up a bit, better editing, better *PACING*, and put through a variety of people in a variety of genres and let it go from there. Cannibalizing the past contestants… well, if nothing else it isn’t endearing to *me* ;)

  72. Oh, and I have to laugh about the idea that the younger ones are more poised than the older ones.

    I read that as “the young ones are more likely to do what we tell them.”

  73. If Idol would get out of the way and let the cream to float to the top without any interference, they just might get some of the big earners they claim to want.

    Now there’s a thought. Except that would mean they’d have to give credit for the success of the show to the contestants, instead of the judges, producers, director, production, etc. etc. Oh Noes.

    (Yes, I know. In reality they could never do this. Advertisers aren’t going to take a crap shoot on a bunch of unknowns being the sole engine that drives the season. The structure of the show and the continuity of the permanent “cast” is what they bank on, along with the ability of the producers to cast each season’s performers in a way that will keep people tuned in. If they had a track record of doing *that* right, and *then* getting out of the way, they wouldn’t need to engage in this endless spinning. But the more I learn about this show, the more I think the seasons that have been fun and successful have happened by chance, because these people are clearly, utterly clueless. Add that to how greedy they are and no wonder they’re going down in flames.)

    It’s so obnoxious but didn’t some of you guys call it, that David Cook and his seemingly forgotten platinum sales would get lumped into the WGWG backlash?

    Called it? I wrote a whole po-em about it. *g*

    ETA: The first article read as spin to me mainly because everything Nigel says, no matter how innocuous, sounds like spin he’s talking about how the performers have to stand out, as if that’s all there is to it. Which is bullshit. If they don’t fit the producers’ pre-conceived plans for who they want as stars, sob stories or the butt of jokes ratings grabbers, no matter how much they vocally “stand out” they’re going to be left crying in the Cow Palace parking lot.

  74. I think starting off, the Idols need to start in the smaller venues. I remember Adam saying his record company suggested bigger venues, but he wanted the smaller ones. He probably wanted to get use to touring as a recording artist, plus performing in front of a lot of people without being overwelmed. Maybe he thought that he wouldn’t be able to fill the larger venues just yet. This tour proves that he certainly can fill the larger venues and no doubt on his next tour he will have a lot more venues in the 4-5k range. JIVE and RCA did a good job of planning what type of tour Kris and Adam needed. This international tour for Adam is a good way to not only boost his album and single sells, but sets him up when his second album drops overseas, and people will have an idea of who he is.I know Daughtry is touring overseas, I hope next year that Cook will be able to get to Europe, Asia and Australia as part of his tour.

  75. So I get the spin in the second article, and mileage is clearly varying here. But what spin is there in the first article?

    I wasn’t the person who cited the first article, but my “spin antennae” definitely perked up after reading this quote:

    “Literally, all Idols start in this crowd,” Lynn said. “Adam Lambert was one of these guys,” he said as he waved his hand over the throng. “We recognized him around the end of this first day.

    “You know Adam is really tall and we had heard there was some guy who had done Broadway stuff and he was pretty good. Of course, when it came to the second round we were told to keep an eye out for him.

    “I remember talking to him after the second round and asking him about the play “Wicked” that he was in and he was just a super cool guy then.”

  76. I think the reason quite a few Cook fans were actively unhappy with Lee’s win – apart from the fact that he just is not that good – is because they saw the s*$t launched at the fan vis a vis dismissive press at that very moment.

    But – what can you do?

    Certainly all Cook can do is produce a great album that sells and shuts up the naysayers and all the fans can do is buy it and enjoy it…

  77. Certainly all Cook can do is produce a great album that sells

    No pressure or anything. *g*

    But for me, your whole comment is 100% correct.

  78. I kind of think that the success of the rock/pop-rock bunch in recent years is that there is an unmet desire for current rock with good vocals from men. I know I was personally getting tired of airwaves dominated by women or by male rockers with questionable voices. I should note, I am not a Lee fan, BTW.

    This is not entirely true. I think the issue is the top 40 refuses to play this type of music. If you switch on any alternative station you can hear guys rock.

  79. ETA: The first article read as spin to me mainly because everything Nigel says, no matter how innocuous, sounds like spin he’s talking about how the performers have to stand out, as if that’s all there is to it. Which is bullshit. If they don’t fit the producers’ pre-conceived plans for who they want as stars, sob stories or the butt of jokes ratings grabbers, no matter how much they vocally “stand out” they’re going to be left crying in the Cow Palace parking lot.

    Sorry, guess the c&p didn’t include your strikeouts.Hmmm. I guess I get what you’re saying about producer maniulation as a whole,of course, though Nigel isn’t even quoted at all in the first article. But the general concept of TPTB having a game plan all along in the auditions and casting it according to what they are looking for that year, and for the gag contestant parts, I getcha. I just thought the thrust of the article was more about a guy whose job it really was to be head wrangler at the cattle call that is the auditions, and generally about that process. Guess my spin-ometer isn’t working that well today.

  80. I think several people have been plants in the past, but not Adam.

    ITA! If Adam had been a plant, he would have blabbed it by now. He’s not very inclined to keep secrets about himself.

  81. I don’t think Adam was a plant but I think the notion that he was this tall guy that they sorta kinda heard about is probably not quite the whole tale – you know darn well they knew who he was :)

  82. None of the idol contestants should be lumped into “what is wrong with Idol”. TPTB are the ones that do the casting. We only get to see the ones they want us to see. Occasionally they actually cast some good performers (regardless of genre) but for the most part, they know who they want to win (and pimp them to no end). The last two years with the blatent pimping has just about turned me off of Idol and there is no way in Hades that I will watch xFactor. Tried to watch the UK version and it was just too cheesy (even more than Idol) and all but one or two of the contestant could sing if their life depended on it. Personally, I’m tired of someone (TPTB) telling me I don’t like what I like and to be “cool” you have to be a pop star. CHR is not the be all to end all.

    The fault is with TPTB. Get some new music. Quit “telling” the American people how wonderful someone is when in fact they can’t carry a tune.

    By the way, if Nigel wants all this dancing and singing, when are the contestants going to have time to choreograph their songs each week? Are there going to be backup dancers? He wants big production, just when does he think they will have time to do all that is involved in a production? I smell trainwreck coming!

  83. f Adam had been a plant, he would have blabbed it by now. He’s not very inclined to keep secrets about himself.

    Unless it was part of his contract that he couldn’t say he was so TPTB could say he wasn’t a plant and keep their illusion going.

  84. though Nigel isn’t even quoted at all in the first article

    I was conflating. Idol appears to be a very top down organization to me, with everyone on script and very little input accepted from people below a certain level (see, for example, the lack of public respect given to the show’s musicians by TPTB). So in my view, Nigel’s spin is Lynn’s spin is Randy’s spin is Ryan’s spin, etc. and they (and we) already know from the second article what the boss wants. I got my hackles up at what I saw as Lynn spouting the party line about how to be a success, when there is clearly manipulation going on from the get go.

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  86. There’s a lot of chatter on the forums and web in general about apparent autotuning and/or vocoding heard on the singing on tonight’s UK X-Factor. I heard it myself and despaired at what I was hearing. I doubt if it was there at the time of the performances and it could have been added afterwards to “improve” the later chances of contestants they wanted to pimp. Either way, it should never be present under any circumstances, as it takes away the last vestige of authenticity from shows of this type.

  87. There’s a lot of chatter on the forums and web in general about apparent autotuning and/or vocoding heard on the singing on tonight’s UK X-Factor.

    Not that it helped much, because everybody sucked.

  88. ETA part eleventy:

    they saw the s*$t launched at the fan vis a vis dismissive press at that very moment.

    Just to add, I don’t care if fans lump them together — everyone hears things differently and has different tastes in music. And I don’t even care that the entertainment press lumps together, because IMO they are a lazy, lost cause.

    But now the big shots connected to the show are doing it. And *that* is aggravating on a number of levels, as I’ve already gone on a bout. And on. And on.

    autotuning and/or vocoding heard on the singing on tonight’s UK X-Factor

    It was only a matter of time…

  89. The thing that’s stupid about David getting lumped in with the WGWG/Whats Wrong With Idol groups is that back when he won the music industry wasnt being dominated by Gaga and dance music. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasnt Nickelback, Daughtry, Gavin DeGraw, etc what was doing really well? That’s the thing about pushing for a “relevant” winner. The music industry changes so often, what may be the hot thing today could totally fizz out in a year or two.

  90. There’s a lot of chatter on the forums and web in general about apparent autotuning and/or vocoding heard on the singing on tonight’s UK X-Factor. I heard it myself and despaired at what I was hearing.

    Great, and this is what some people are excited for lol.

  91. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasnt Nickelback, Daughtry, Gavin DeGraw, etc what was doing really well? That’s the thing about pushing for a “relevant” winner.

    Yes, if I recall it was shifting after he won/before his album dropped but I really, really don’t remember a whole heck of a lot of “Oh, no, Cook won! Idol is broken! Bad choice!” There was of course the split between if he or Archie should have won, but certainly Archie doesn’t fit the “dancing MJ or Gaga” mold either, though the thought of it really makes me giggle. Love that Archie.

  92. Zastine4974:
    08/21/2010 at 5:12 pm

    f Adam had been a plant, he would have blabbed it by now. He’s not very inclined to keep secrets about himself.

    Unless it was part of his contract that he couldn’t say he was so TPTB could say he wasn’t a plant and keep their illusion going.

    Say for arguments sake, exactly what reason would they have to use a 26 year old openly gay, theater kid as a plant. It worked out pretty well for Adam, but how would the show benefit if they did do this.

  93. Great, and this is what some people are excited for lol.

    I’m not. The videos I’ve watched from X Factor… just no. Though Jedward doing Ghostbusters was horrifyingly entertaining, though I don’t think that’s *quite* what the show was going for. The backup dancers! The props! LOL.

  94. Ok, I just read the second article, and really, I didn’t take the sentence about Kris, David and Lee as a dig. It’s true they usually stood still and sang on the show, but the article didn’t say any of them were bad, but rather, AI wants to change the format to encourage more movement. At least that is the way it read to me. But if they are going to do that, they need to give the contestants more than 2 minutes to perform. You know, it’s funny, if Toderick had gone further, he may have given them what they wanted. I recall his back flip during Hollywood week. I was hoping he would have made it further and we would have gotten some dancing on there, ala Usher. In fact, I’m surprised he didn’t dance more on the show. I wonder if he was discouraged from doing that?

    As far as record sales, I just don’t think you are ever going have massive sales again for AI winners and runner ups. As we all know, music sales are way down and they go down each and every year. Kris has sold, what, 325,000 albums, and isn’t he one of Jive’s top sellers?

    I also wonder if the decline in album sales has to do with the AI viewing audience being made up of people who watch the show year in and year out? Maybe after purchasing a few disappointing debut AI albums, AI viewers have learned to wait until they hear the album before buying?

    I guess if AI is able to attract a new audience, there would be an increase in album sales, but they are really going to have to retool the whole show to make it seem fresh to bring new viewers in.

  95. Unless it was part of his contract that he couldn’t say he was so TPTB could say he wasn’t a plant and keep their illusion going.

    Adam is very honest and straightforward, sometimes to a fault. I highly doubt that he would have signed such a contract. JMHO

  96. You know, it’s funny, if Toderick had gone further, he may have given them what they wanted. I recall his back flip during Hollywood week.

    Lol. Back flips aren’t what I was thinking would improve AI for season 10 :roll:

    And pair that with the lowered age requirement. So back-flippin’ Biebers? Ha.

  97. I wasn’t the person who cited the first article, but my “spin antennae” definitely perked up after reading this quote:

    “Literally, all Idols start in this crowd,” Lynn said. “Adam Lambert was one of these guys,” he said as he waved his hand over the throng. “We recognized him around the end of this first day.

    “You know Adam is really tall and we had heard there was some guy who had done Broadway stuff and he was pretty good. Of course, when it came to the second round we were told to keep an eye out for him.

    “I remember talking to him after the second round and asking him about the play “Wicked” that he was in and he was just a super cool guy then.”

    Wait, what’s the spin? That they’re acting like they hadn’t heard about Adam until his audition?

  98. I know someone who auditioned and she said many of the people who were cut were great – really talented. The ones they sent through were either the goofy ones to spice up the show or the WGWG types. So it seems not much will change.

    Admittedly – this is ONE audition city and ONE person’s opinion. Time will tell if it’s accurate.

  99. Wait, what’s the spin? That they’re acting like they hadn’t heard about Adam until his audition?

    Exactly. I find that really hard to believe, especially the way that dude phrased it.

  100. If Adam was a plant, please please please bring me more plants. I have never been entertained by AI as I was by him during season 8. The people never reward the plant with s win anyway, there’s no improvement feel good story attached to it. Sigh, I wish season 9 had a plant.

  101. Lol. Back flips aren’t what I was thinking would improve AI for season 10

    What can I say? I’m a sucker for a back flip. :)

  102. I don’t think Adam was a plant. Rather, I think AI has tons of interns, etc, combing these cattle calls to find talent. They look at the applications, talk to the crowd, etc., With thousands of people in one city to audition, it’s not surprising (to me) that AI has people out in the masses attempting to assess the potential contestants.

  103. Wait, what’s the spin? That they’re acting like they hadn’t heard about Adam until his audition?

    Exactly. I find that really hard to believe, especially the way that dude phrased it.

    Huh. I wonder. Not that he was a plant, though I don’t care if he was, just if they had heard of him in the LA theatre/performing scene.

  104. What can I say? I’m a sucker for a back flip. :)

    Hmm, though, before I dismiss it out of hand. What about back-flippin’ judges? ;)

  105. Hmm, though, before I dismiss it out of hand. What about back-flippin’ judges?

    After last season, I am not opposed to using the words flip and judges in the same sentence. But I am visualizing more of a hand movement rather than anything involving the back. :)

  106. adamlambert

    Its finally here!!! My official fan community launches on Monday! Check it out! http://ht.ly/2sE1z

    So Adam has an official (ie pay to join) fanclub. Looks like more than 800 people signed up in the first half hour! Assume Kelly/Carrie/Daughtry have these? Are they comparable? Really too bad he didn’t do this before tour started.

  107. I want to thank Ryan, Nigel and (indirectly) the Idol rent-a-judges at the auditions for telegraphing between the lines what sort of contestant will be pimped this season: Teen boys with Bieber hair who flail around the stage (oh – or beautiful blonde female multi-platinum selling country singers). Okay then.

    Seriously? Been there; done that. It was called the Mickey Mouse Club.

    As a fan of guitar-playing, singer-songwriters of all races and genders who power-votes for my Idol favorites, I’m feeling very unloved by the new regime at Idol. *pout*

    Well, I’ll always have Casey James. And Bo Bice, Taylor Hicks, Kris Allen, David Cook, Chris Daughtry, Jason Castro, Crystal Bowersox, and Brooke White to console me.* (*among others who aren’t WGWG)

    Who do they think will be voting for all these young Bieber clones? Are they thinking…”if we cast them, they [teen girls] will come”?

    Do they think they can freshen things up by having younger and younger kids singing and flailing along to done-to-death songs from 30 or 40 years ago? Against All Odds with a vocoder and a dance beat! Hey!

    Do they think they’re going to have Pop Radio chart toppers when these contestants can’t cover the likes of Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Lil Wayne, Eminem, etc., who are topping the pop charts and top downloads on iTunes, either because those songs are all production and only have five words repeated over and over, are rapped and not sung at all and some of those words start with “f” and end with “uck” which can’t be repeated on Prime Time TeeVee on a family-friendly show, and the lyrics are about the violent end of a relationship or vapid materialism?

    Do they think tweens and the legions of eight year old girls who love the Bieb are going to be allowed to stay up all until 11 on a school night to vote for these flailing Bieber clones?

    From everything they’re talking about in trying to keep The Buzz going for the next season, the only thing that interests me currently is Steve Tyler. He could be a total trainwreck or awesome, but at least he’s had a long career as a musician and some ups and downs in his life to put things in perspective, or at least make things interesting. As for J Lo? Eh. Mariah Carey? Oy. Shania Twain? Yes, please.

  108. Didn’t Kellie Pickler recently switch her fanclub to free? I remember reading something about that if I’m not confusing her with a different country artist.

    Though $10 doesn’t seem that big a deal for Adam’s. Pricey if people want the m&g package though.

    After last season, I am not opposed to using the words flip and judges in the same sentence. But I am visualizing more of a hand movement ..

    Ah, got it. heh. Back-flipping judges might be an idea they haven’t yet considered though in the Great American Idol Judge Search of 2010.

  109. CindyM:
    08/21/2010 at 6:34 pm
    If Adam was a plant, please please please bring me more plants. I have never been entertained by AI as I was by him during season 8. The people never reward the plant with s win anyway, there’s no improvement feel good story attached to it. Sigh, I wish season 9 had a plant.

    If he was a plant, I will always thank American Idol for all of their lies and manipulations to get him on the show. Maybe this was a conspiracy between Idol and RCA to get him on the show. RCA had heard about him, but wanted him to have a fanbase before he put out a album, so they got Idol to put him on the show. Adam went on the show, pretended to worry about making it to the top ten, and then went on to amaze people with his performances. American Idol gave him all of the special staging and lighting just because of his plant status. Unfortuantely for Adam he seem to good to be true, the audience rebelled and gave the title to the other guy. The Plant(Adam) despite losing the coveted title, goes on to have a successful album and tour. Five years from know, he will have a movie of the week telling his rise to top from being a secret glittery plant on American Idol to a star. Of course there will be disclaimers before the movie is shown, saying some of the names have been changed to protect the innocent. The name of movie will be “Glam God or Rhinestone Plant, the true Hollywood story of Adam Lambert”.

  110. OMG, Steven Tyler hit Joe Perry with a mic? These guys aren’t exactly young. I’m surprised Tyler didn’t break his hip with that fall last week. I wonder how Perry is? I guess if he was able to walk off stage, he’s ok.

  111. Word to your entire post, MaryS-NJ.

    The irony is that they had some very cool talent last season (e.g., Todrick Hall and Jermaine Purifoy), whom, if they’d bothered to pimp just a little, might have made it a lot further than they did. And then the season would have had more diversity (in color and genre) and we wouldn’t need to be having this conversation right now! :-)

  112. I am already loving Steven Tyler as a judge. No matter how he judges, he.will.not.be.dull! Will he pop Ryan or Randy? It’s worth tuning in just to see if that happens.

  113. OK, I’ve watched the clip a few times and I can’t tell if the mic hit was intentional or not. Just like Perry pushing Tyler off the stage last week. Was that intentional? It seems like a strange coincidence that just a short time after Perry nails Tyler, Tyler nails Perry doesn’t it?

  114. Please, let’s not rehash past seasons here tonight? Old ground, already covered.

    These conversations seem to always turn into thinly veiled fanwars. The topic of the two articles I posted from The Press-Democrat is Season 10. Don’t drag in other seasons unless you are making a point about THE FUTURE.

  115. I don’t think they meant “move” quite so literally. I think perhaps they meant someone who is not only a singer but also a performer … maybe someone like Adam.

    I hope this is not what they are looking for with season 10 – especially with the younger ones competing. Season 8 was one I didn’t watch simply because of the spectacle that Adam’s performances were. I can’t imagine a season where there might be many spectacle performers competing. Wasn’t AI meant to be a singing competition? Is it now a spectacle competition? Also, this search for the next Bieber – do we really need more than one?

  116. Archie did the first of his radio promo performances tonight in Greenville, SC. It was actually part of a benefit to raise funds for the Greenville Zoo and the event took place on the grounds at the zoo.
    He sang four songs: Something ‘Bout Love, Crazy, Elevator (new song), and Crush. There’s no HQ video up yet since the event just ended but someone did record him singing an acoustic version of Something Bout Love on their phone and load it to Twitvid.

    http://www.twitvid.com/IJN20

    According to fans who tweeted, organizers are estimating that approximately 3,000 people were there for the show tonight.

  117. ETA: I thought better of my post. :) He sounded in good voice today.

  118. aiam:
    08/21/2010 at 7:56 pm

    I hope this is not what they are looking for with season 10 – especially with the younger ones competing. Season 8 was one I didn’t watch simply because of the spectacle that Adam’s performances were. I can’t imagine a season where there might be many spectacle performers competing. Wasn’t AI meant to be a singing competition? Is it now a spectacle competition? Also, this search for the next Bieber – do we really need more than one?

    How would you know they were spectacles if you didn’t watch? Confoozled. Nothing wrong with kick ass singing which Adam had in spades with a side of spectacle in my book, IF it suits your style.

    As far as needing another Beiber, we didn’t really need another mraz, mayer, rob thomas and we seem to have gotten those types. What they need is an AI winner who will sell. Who knows, it could be Lee. I’m not ready to write him off.

    I just don’t think that the AI audience will go for the types that Nigel is talking about for Season 10. I think that there are already going to be alot of changes to the show for people to get used to with the judges, the public may opt for the familiar when it comes to the contestants.

  119. 3k at this event – wow… those videos of ‘sbl’ and elevator are awesome… david was in fine form tonight.

  120. Aw, I would’ve taken my kids to see Archie if he was at the zoo here in DC – we all like Archie here :)

  121. I thinking that Nigel meant by move on stage as being someone who utilizes the whole stage area, not just stuck on a mark. Heck the cameramen barely had to do any work this season becuse very few ever moved left or right of center.

  122. Heck the cameramen barely had to do any work this season becuse very few ever moved left or right of center.

    Hey, we had a Timmy slide! ;)

  123. Um… maybe someone’s said this before because it’s kinda obvious, but when will TPTB realize that they don’t get to choose the next winner? Sure, they can manipulate like crazy, but if the votes aren’t there for somebody, they aren’t there. Why do they have to complain about things out of their control and trash previous winners? And btw, Ryan can suck it. Literally and figuretively.

  124. I do not believe there is anything in any interview with anyone from Idol (including Adam) that indicates he was a plant on Idol. Rather, the articles and reports (including Sacramento local TV coverage from the AI8 San Francisco Idol auditions) say that Adam stood out in the first round of auditions. So why shouldn’t he have?

    A 6’1″ tall, gorgeous man with a 4-octave range and equity Broadway company credentials shows up for an Idol audition and no one notices him unless he’s a plant?

    How about, if Adam was walking through an airport or singing in a club in LA or happened to replaced the lead in the touring company of Wicked or was singing in an otherwise forgettable musical called “Ten Commandments”, people remember him. I defy anyone who has seen him live to say that they can forget him — everyone may not appreciate Adam but few forget him.

    I really think that Adam (Daughtry, Cook and a few others) justify the continued existence of Idol — these are people who may never have had a shot without Idol. Daughtry could still be working in a call center — maybe as a manager, Cook would have played somewhere on weekends and had a successful career doing something else — he is so capable and smart, and Adam might have landed an understudy slot on Broadway — but IMO none of these guys would have been signed by RCA Records without Idol.

    Not rehashing past history, but just saying that Idol has made careers for many people who would have been passed by. I do not see why it can’t continue to do the same thing if they just renew their focus on talented singing and forget about WPWG (White People With Guitars).

  125. Also, this search for the next Bieber – do we really need more than one?

    I’m not sure everybody is in agreement that we need the one we’ve got. ;)

  126. I am already loving Steven Tyler as a judge. No matter how he judges, he.will.not.be.dull!

    You’re probably right. Offensive yes, but dull no.

  127. Daughtry does NOT have a paid fan site.

    I would be very careful of these paid fan sites. I joined Taylor Hicks paid fan site the first year and it was bad and a total rip-off. Do not buy in they you get better seats at concerts because it’s just not true.

  128. summertime blues:
    08/22/2010 at 12:06 am

    Daughtry does NOT have a paid fan site.

    I would be very careful of these paid fan sites. I joined Taylor Hicks paid fan site the first year and it was bad and a total rip-off. Do not buy in they you get better seats at concerts because it’s just not true.

    Well I guess it depends on how hot Adam stays. If he stays as hot as he currently is, getting any access to tickets is a big deal.

    The Adam fan club is different than Taylor’s. It is run by Ground CTRL and a pretty good deal. The $9.95 basic membership comes with pre-sale access and not much else, but the $29.95 includes a T-shirt + 10% discount on Adam merchandise which compared to the $35-$50 official T-shirt price seems fair to me. The hottest memberships, the $175 VIP packages with the M&G, front of line pass, special VIP T, special poster and so on, are all sold out except for Hong Kong. Probably could have sold for at least 3 times as much based upon what they are selling for on the secondary market. (There are only 25 per show.)

    And the VIP pre-show merchandise purchase access is actually meaningful — if I wanted to buy any Adam merch at Las Vegas, for example, I could not have done it unless I wanted to miss part of Adam’s act. And some merchandise is only available at the shows.

  129. So does Nigel wants S10 to have contestants that move like Blake or Taylor did in their seasons? I can’t think of any other high ranking finishers that moved in any way close to like MJ… but a lot of Idols pre-S9 “moved” even David and Kris. David stalked the stage with the mike stand when the mood of the song called for it, and i always thought Kris had this cute little bounce/groove thing to the music even with a guitar strapped on. Actually you know who I always thought moved great? Matt Giraud- he was awesome when he moved with the music cuz you could tell he can really dance eithout going cheesy or OTT– and he also rocked the keys! He was my favorite in S8. Wish he coulda waited a season and killed the competition in S9 hehe. JMO.

  130. The whole movement thing depends on what he’s saying.

    If he’s saying that he doesn’t want contestants frozen in place, looking like they’re caught in the headlights, or awkwardly jerking around the stage when they’ve been told they have to move, then I’m all for it.

    Pre-season 9, all of the better performers got into their performances and used the stage/appealed to the audience.

    If he’s talking about singing/dancing in some way, then no. This works for one style of music/performance, but not for all. It works for a particular kind of pop performance, where, IMO, the performance is more important than the music (which is why I don’t like it – generally speaking, of course, there are some specific performers/songs that I like).

    Now, I think that if they did find that kind of performer and gave them the right production back up, they might very well have a good chance of winning. But with strong singers in other styles/genres as competitors, it wouldn’t be a given.

    Actually, the much maligned X Factor is a prime example of all of this. JLS and Alex whateverhernamewas, were both prime examples of the sing and dance performance pop style singer. They both did great on the show and have done really well in the UK pop market. There were no other strong straight singer types on the show that year. Leona Lewis (who I don’t like either, but she did really well) is a straight singer.

  131. I don’t see how Nigel expects the new contestants to have moves like MJ. Even the King of Pop himself had to do several days of rehearsing to get his moves down just right. When are the contestants going to find extra time to rehearse those moves, along with figuring out what song to sing, learning the new song, recording it on iTunes, doing photo shoots, shopping for their outfits, shooting interviews, shooting the Ford Music Video, and learning the group performance and song for results night?

    And it’s going to be especially tough to find a Bieber clone who can do all that, particularly since their time is cut even shorter. The 15-17 year olds will have to attend school for 3 hours a day.

    There just aren’t enough hours in a day for the Bieber clones to do all that!

    Remember Tim Urban sliding across the stage? That’s the kind of thing Nigel is looking for. But the judges only had negative comments about that.

  132. … what sort of contestant will be pimped this season: Teen boys with Bieber hair who flail around the stage (oh – or beautiful blonde female multi-platinum selling country singers).

    You know, I have said this a few times, but Idol has not had a young African-American teen guy win. Now, after the MJ (Michael Jackson) comment… I am also betting we will see some Hip Hop music. You know, the singing kind.

    I do agree with BootStar, both Todrick Hall and Jermaine Purifoy were good performers. Maybe their personality combined with judges comments turned off fans. But if they found a teen who oozed sexuality but appeared quite innocent, well that may be it.

  133. Remember Tim Urban sliding across the stage? That’s the kind of thing Nigel is looking for. But the judges only had negative comments about that.

    now we know why all the judges are gone, they foiled the Bieber plan!!

    Looking for the next Bruno Mars is my guess.

  134. Now, after the MJ (Michael Jackson) comment… I am also betting we will see some Hip Hop music. You know, the singing kind.

    I hope so. I would love it if they had a really good R&B/hip hop type performer or two or three on there. Just cast a variety – I really think that was a major issue last year, they were all so similar. I get the “moving around” thing as directed at last season where most just stood frozen at the microphone. That doesn’t make for very compelling TV. I like a few of the Idols from last year, but I did find watching the season very, very boring way too often. I still say, though, that if they just focus on their casting and put through a nice little variety of GOOD performers for US to choose (because, lest they forget, despite their pimping and manipulation we usually choose someone else, lol) and please, please tighten up the production and have better *sound* it will be a vastly improved show. I’m continually astonished at how bad the sound is on a *singing show* – for both contestants and visiting performers.

  135. I joined Taylor Hicks paid fan site the first year and it was bad and a total rip-off. Do not buy in they you get better seats at concerts because it’s just not true.

    I was going to say, the paid fan sites are only as good as the companies that manage them. I feel bad for the artists who get a mismanaged site and end up with unsatisfied fans. I’m another Taylor fan who was very underwhelmed by how his paid fan site was run and didn’t renew.

    The Adam fan club is different than Taylor’s. It is run by Ground CTRL and a pretty good deal. The $9.95 basic membership comes with pre-sale access and not much else, but the $29.95 includes a T-shirt + 10% discount on Adam merchandise which compared to the $35-$50 official T-shirt price seems fair to me. The hottest memberships, the $175 VIP packages with the M&G, front of line pass, special VIP T, special poster and so on, are all sold out except for Hong Kong. Probably could have sold for at least 3 times as much based upon what they are selling for on the secondary market. (There are only 25 per show.)

    I guess this is one of those “Your Milage May Vary” situations. I haven’t joined any paid fan sites since Taylor’s and frankly I’m starting to think that no paid fan site is worth it, unless maybe the fanclub members get free music downloads of previously unreleased music or video and only for fan club members (or at least for a set period before it goes on the market for sale) or guaranteed M&G passes for the price of standard membership fee.

    ETA:

    You know, I have said this a few times, but Idol has not had a young African-American teen guy win. Now, after the MJ (Michael Jackson) comment… I am also betting we will see some Hip Hop music. You know, the singing kind.

    I do agree with BootStar, both Todrick Hall and Jermaine Purifoy were good performers. Maybe their personality combined with judges comments turned off fans. But if they found a teen who oozed sexuality but appeared quite innocent, well that may be it.

    The problem is, Hip Hop is it’s still more about the rapping and less about the singing, and a lot of Hip Hop music has themes that the squeamish censors might have a problem with on a Prime Time show. I think that may be part of the conundrum for the Idol PTB. They want a “relevant” artist to win the contest but the kinds of music that are topping the charts aren’t really Idol friendly. I suppose that if Nigel is serious about better production, they could make it work but they’d have to invest in the kind of musical accoutrement that make Hip Hop music interesting.

    As for Todrick and Jermaine Perifoy, I thought Todrick was a little toolish on the show, but he just did an awesome “Improv Everywhere” number at a McDonalds and he’s very clever and talented. Jermaine should have made the top 24, IMO; a lost opportunity.

  136. I know Kelly and Carrie have a fansite for access with a upfront total paid for the year. Clay I think does but I’ve never been there. Chris Daughtry declined to start one, he considers the official website to be the fan site. Free registration gives you access to the usual access fan clubs provide. He does charge for M&G’s though.

  137. summertime blues:
    08/22/2010 at 12:06 am
    I joined Taylor Hicks paid fan site the first year and it was bad and a total rip-off. Do not buy in they you get better seats at concerts because it’s just not true.”

    Gosh, Summertime, I am sorry you had trouble with Taylor’s fan site. I always got better seats thru them, (went to 3 concerts) than I could thru other means. I guess it is best to try both ways if one decides to join. I had such positive results going thru the fan site.

  138. Bleuh – I’ve never liked fanclubs. I didn’t even join one when I was a teenager and you’re supposed to be into that kind of thing. Mind you, I don’t think that the kinds of singers/bands I was mostly into as a teenager would have had fanclubs for the most part. If they did, I was blissfully unaware!

  139. The other day someone asked RCA ED why Daughtry doesn’t have a paid fan site. He said the following in his thread on Daughtry Official:

    “Hey Leesa, a paid fan club would be up to the band, cos RCA has no rights to that business either, but I can’t say I’ve ever heard rumblings of Daughtry setting one up. With paid fan clubs obviously come additional overhead that the band would likely have to hire a company to manage, so I guess they’re content to rely on us to handle DO for them at no cost instead of taking it a step further. Don’t forget too, that with paid memberships come increased responsibility to deliver a constant flow of benefits and experiences for the fans – it’s a lot of work, and dealing with scalpers and cheats is such a headache in this digitized age that I think lot’s of artists would rather let a label deal with the inevitable issues than bring that upon themselves. I’m sure the band has felt some of that added responsibility with the VIP Experience, so they’ll have to gauge as to whether its worth going the fan club route in the future. We shall see…”

  140. i didn’t read nigel’s comments as any sort of a diss to past idol winners. I think he just wants to make a good tv show. I think that the S9 folks all had talent, they just did not make for good tv for a whole host of reasons that have already been discussed ad nauseum on this board, but the principal one being that the finalists lacked stage presence and tended to stand on one place and sing. Cook and Kris were not static performers and I don’t think that Nigel was implying they were. They were also surrounded by other finalists who performed in a very different style — which made for a better, more interesting tv show. If everyone is exactly the same, no matter how talented, it makes for an uninteresting TV show. I think that when Nigel says he wants people that move, he isn’t saying every contestant has to be that type of performer. But that he wants some who are so that there is variety and he can make a compellnig tv show.

  141. I remember reading and article/interview back in season 7 and one of the eliminated contestants said that they knew right from the beginning who will most likely make it trough the top 24 because the cameras followed them all the time, the person said Jason Castro was one of them and nobody thought he was a plant, right?, so I think TPTB of course know who they want or at least think who most likely will make it to the top 24 right from their auditions or from Hollywood week, is their job the find good contestants and I think they do their research very well, most of the time that is because they missed the mark last season, don`t know what happened there, it was a really boring season.

  142. A 6?1? tall, gorgeous man with a 4-octave range and equity Broadway company credentials shows up for an Idol audition and no one notices him unless he’s a plant?

    So, true, Q3. Not to mention the mega-watt smile and beaming charisma. Tired and jaded staff issues, “Thank You!” novenas to the heavens that somebody with some juice finally appeared.

    Half-decent, semi-bearable must make their day. Stunning must be spirit lifting indeed.

  143. The other day someone asked RCA ED why Daughtry doesn’t have a paid fan site.

    Actually interesting to see how the different artists handle the fanclub issue. It will be interesting to see if Adam’s can get a handle on the scalper issue that pissed off so many fans during his tour. But now the US tour is sold out so it will be awhile before we know.

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