Idol Headlines for 06/20/09

After the Britain’s Got Talent backlash, Simon Cowell finally admits: ‘Sorry, I did make mistakes’

However, as you might have noticed, the show has not been without controversies.

Chief among them, of course, were the difficulties experienced by runner-up Susan Boyle, and the children who broke down in tears in front of millions on the live show. That has provided a field day for the armchair pundits.

The show has been accused of being a cruel circus that sets out to exploit the vulnerable in a cynical bid to boost ratings. And I, of course, am inevitably portrayed as the evil ringmaster.

So love the shows or hate them, the time has finally come for me to set a few things straight. And I’m the first to hold my hands up and admit I’ve made mistakes.

I didn’t get into showbusiness to make little children cry or upset a nice lady like Susan Boyle.

Daily Mail

Adam Lambert Pre-‘Idol’ Debut Album Due This Summer

According to Hi Fi, Lambert co-wrote the material that will appear on the album and even made a trip to the Wilshire Records studio in Los Angeles as recently as May 2009 to hear it. “He was in the Wilshire Records studio right before the finale actually, and he was blown away by the material.”

Hi Fi Recordings did not notify 19 Entertainment about its intent to release Lambert’s debut album before announcing the news on Friday afternoon. “I bet they know now, ” Hecker says.

When pressed for more information on the terms of Lambert’s non-exclusive agreement with Wilshire Records and whether or not the singer will see any compensation from the album, Hecker responded, “I don’t really want to talk about the nuts and bolts of the business deal…but I can tell you that Adam will share in the success.”

The CEO says he’s “100%” confident that his company has the legal right to debut its Adam Lambert album before 19/RCA does theirs. “We would never put anything out that wasn’t fully owned by the parties involved with all the rights secured. We were really careful.”

Billboard.com

More Idol Headlines after the JUMP…

Julianne & Chace: Footloose Dance Partners

Chace Crawford is pretty darn close to having one hot country gal by his side.

Sources tell me that Dancing With the Stars hoofer and rising country music singer Julianne Hough is finally in negotiations to star opposite People magazine’s Hottest Bachelor in the upcoming remake of Footloose…

A source says talks have gotten down to the nitty-gritty issue of timing. If schedules could be worked out, the movie will mark Hough’s first major film project. She actually had an uncredited role as a “Hogwarts schoolgirl” in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone back in 2001.

Paramount has announced a June 2010 release date for the remake, which will be a musical similar to the hit Broadway adaptation of the movie.

EOnline

‘DWTS” Maksim & Karina Headed to Broadway

You can catch two of “Dancing with the Stars”‘ most famous lovebirds on the Great White Way this summer.

Engaged couple Maksim Chmerkovskiy and Karina Smirnoff are set to star in Burn the Floor, a Broadway dance showcase.

Maks and Karina will appear in the show for the first three weeks of its run, which kicks off on July 25 for previews and officially opens on August 2.

ETOnline

Happy Birthday, Kris Allen!

June 21st is American Idol Kris Allen’s 24th birthday! This last year has been the busiest and most momentous year of Kris’ life. Just 9 months ago, Kris Allen married his high school sweetheart, Katy. He spent the first half of 2009 competing on American Idol’s eighth season, and ultimately won the title of American Idol.

American Idol

My night with David Cook (No, not like that)

I had the good fortune of setting up a Meet and Greet for myself and my friend, Lori, before David Cook’s show and, although we didn’t chat while sipping martinis for hours (like in my dreams), it was a lot of fun. We were certain we’d be the only ones waiting to meet him that were over 30, but we were surprised to find a pretty diverse group of Cook fans. We got in line at the Del Mar Fairgrounds, and were ushered in for a quick photo with the former American Idol winner. Even though the meet-and-sort-of-greet was done in a flash, he was as polite and gracious as one would expect.

Examiner.com

Kellie Pickler: Southern Belle

She’s only 22, but Kellie Pickler is already a classic rags-to-riches story: Raised in a North Carolina trailer park, she burst onto the music scene in 2006 as an American Idol finalist. Two albums later (and 30 pounds lighter), the country music queen’s crisscrossing the continent with Taylor Swift’s Fearless tour ‘ and sleepin on her bus.

OK Magazine

Bon Jovi Gives Songwriters A Good Name

Bon Jovi writing team of Bon Jovi and Sambora were inducted by …American Idol alum Chris Daughtry, of the multiplatinum rock band Daughtry.

“They’re a huge influence on our career as songwriters, as performers, as people, ” Daughtry said.

The bandmates were honored with Daughtry rendition of the Bon Jovi 1989 tune …Ill Be There For You.

Bon Jovi and Sambora then rocked out to the band 1986 tune …Wanted: Dead or Alive.

Pollstar

Happy Birthday, Christina Christian!

Season 1 finalist Christina Christian took the stage each week of Idol’s inaugural season with beauty and grace, and typically sung big, smooth ballads. Making it all the way to sixth place, Christina wasn’t at her final results show to say goodbye. The morning of her elimination, Christina suffered from exhaustion, fatigue, and dehydration, so she was hospitalized and unable to attend the results show.

Since appearing on American Idol, Christina has acted in an episode of CSI. In 2004, Christina got married, and in 2006, she had a baby boy.

American Idol

‹America Got Talent wants its own Boyle

LOS ANGELES – …America Got Talent has got a problem: Susan Boyle.

Will the NBC talent show, which begins its fourth season Tuesday, be able to find its own version of the 48-year-old Scottish singing sensation? Boyle first appearance on the British production earlier this year generated millions of YouTube hits and sparked an unmeasurable amount of attention. The show judges are putting the onus on the auditioning public. (Msnbc.com is a joint venture between NBC Universal and Microsoft.)

…I think the Susan Boyle effect has had a huge effect on the show, Piers Morgan, the British judge who serves as arbiter on both editions of the competition, said during a break from a recent Los Angeles audition.

MSNBC

‘SYTYCD’: Cat Deeley blogs episode 9

What a week! Revelations a plenty…. Mary Murphy struggling to raise an eyebrow and then telling the nation it was a physical impossibility due to Botox! All I can say is, I love that woman! I have never met someone more full of life and infectious energy. We’ve had a couple of crazy nights out with the production team, cast, crew, and Prince. Yes, I mean Prince! I’ve asked all my girlfriends if her admission makes them love her more — and the answer is a resounding …Hell, yeah!”

We held the L.A. auditions for season 6 this week. Lots of amazingly talented dancers and some familiar faces. Evan’s brother Ryan came back and auditioned again. He did an incredible dance and poetry piece — truly unique. He got a ticket to Vegas. I love it when people work hard and improve, and it culminates in success! I did get some severe ribbing from Evan during rehearsals, though, due to the fact that I cried when I found out Ryan was through! Just couldn’t help it!

Entertainment Weekly

Stephen Baldwin quits ‹Im a Celebrity…

Stephen Baldwin has quit …Im A Celebrity ¦ Get Me Out Of Here!, Access Hollywood has confirmed.

Baldwin had been a strong contender in the Costa Rican jungle and many ‘  including recent evictee Janice Dickinson ‘  considered him a frontrunner to win the competition, which ends next week.

Details about Baldwin departure for the jungle ‘  the fourth castmate to quit, and the eighth castmate to leave camp overall ‘  were not immediately available.

MSNBC

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132 Comments

  1. Simon is trying to do damage control but all I see is a defensive man who’s trying to deflect criticism. Evs, ass.

  2. Simon is trying to do damage control but all I see is a defensive man whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s trying to deflect criticism.

    Yeah, most definitely that.

  3. Okay so I’ve been really busy lately and not keeping up on the latest news but isn’t that Adam album stuff kind of a big deal?? I mean I’m shocked if an album came out from Adam that wasn’t part of 19/RCA/etc first. And the article had a statement from Adam saying that he recorded back in 2005….is that right?? But that he was there last month to check it out?? I feel like a dope cuz I’m so confused by the write up….I mean the guy said Adam wrote most of it but Adam’s statement said he was lending his vocals to other’s material, huh?

    It would be pretty awesome if anyone off of AI released some of their own stuff before the RCA machine produced CD debuts but woudn’t that be a whole heap of legal trouble for Adam?? I can’t imagine all this going down the way the Hi Fi Recordings and Wilshire Records dude thinks it’s going to.

    ETA: Ummm…nevermind, I finally scrolled down to read the rest of the blog headlines…sorry!

  4. I like Simon. I know he’s an ass but I like him. In all fairness I don’t know whether this Susan Boyle situation could have been avoided by the show short of full psychological assessment of all participants.

    The Adam Lambert Hi-Fi debacle is really stressing me out. I want this CD to go away.

  5. The show has been accused of being a cruel circus that sets out to exploit the vulnerable in a cynical bid to boost ratings

    Colour me cynical, but I could use that same phrase to describe 80-90% of all reality shows today, including American Idol, talk about stating the obvious!
    And yet it still finds its avid participants, and avid viewers. People who sign up for all these reality shows from the producers to the viewers to the participants know the score, and they all get some purchase out of it, one way or the other……..So sorry, I dont see any victims here

  6. People who sign up for all these reality shows including AI know the scoreà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦..So srry, I dont see any victims here

    Are you saying children who sign up for these kinds of shows know full well what they are doing? The show (i.e. Simon) made a conscious decision to include children, and children cry when upset, and Simon made comments that upset them. Whose fault is that?

    As for him implying that those who complained about their treatment on the X-Factor are liars, I’d be surprised if there are many who watched the whole Gokey’s wife thing on AI would still believe that Nikki might have lied about what the producers would do.

  7. I have to wonder myself if this does not have wider legal implications as in did Adam breach the terms of his AI contract at one or more points of time.

    Alleging working on new material with another record label in May 2009??? when Adam was then under an obligation to 19 Entertainment is a lot different than just singing on demos written by other people for other people pre Idol. We clearly need more facts but it does raise more questions if not eyebrows. Certainly RCA can’t be happy campers right now.

    However, I have to think that these guys releasing Adam’s stuff would not be making these public statements if they didn’t feel pretty secure in their position given the clout of AI and RCA.

    I remember some demos that Michael Johns also did as an LA session singer were making the rounds on YouTube, he was not thrilled, but that was as far as it went and fans were digging up pre Idol stuff for Johns and Cook and Smithson but of course that was not new releases, just old releases and Cook was upset that fans were being gouged price-wise to buy this pre Idol stuff so he was encouraging fans to burn his pre Idol solo album with his permission as I recall. Hey if he wasn’t getting paid why should his fans be gouged. Gotta love the Cookster.

  8. Simon is sorry for the mistakes, but he says he couldn’t have done anything differently. Then why apologize?

    I didn’t get into showbusiness to make little children cry or upset a nice lady like Susan Boyle.

    That’s just bonus, right Simon?

    Then there’s Journey South … We released an album. They also did a tour on the back of it and they made hundreds of thousands of pounds. Yet, now, they are complaining that I treated them unfairly … Anyone who is signed to my label is given a fair shot, but it’s not a guarantee of enduring riches.

    Yes, you gave them a shot, but are the terms of the contract fair or are they the same contract normally imposed by labels that tells singers to bend-over then ask if they can have some more?

  9. Why then are Journey South still grumbling? You can draw your own conclusions. I’m just disappointed with them as human beings.

    OMG. This article is hilarious. What a whiner Simon turned out to be. Oh, the little people complaining make you sad? It’s part of the business, Simon. Live with it or leave it. Grow a thicker skin. He starts of by acknowledging that it’s part of the biz and then he complains about how unfair the general public and performers are to him. My mind boggles.

    And the self-serving justifications are totally lame.

    Even then, I didn’t pick up on any unduly troubling signs. She was nervous, yes, but no more nervous than Paul Potts had been before his live final two years previously. She understood the significance of the night.

    Then, during the final show, at the crucial point when the dance group Diversity won, I looked over at her face and thought: ‘Christ, she doesn’t know how to deal with not winning.’

    See, Simon, this is why you have PROFESSIONAL psychologists check out these contestants. I’m not saying you have to ban the contestants that might have issues, but you might be able to notice the problems earlier and properly mitigate them. Simon needs to acknowledge his own limitations. He doesn’t appear to be much of a “people person” and he might not be able to pick up on cues that a PROFESSIONAL psychologist is trained to notice. If Susan had a proper support mechanism in place instead of the support of some busy production staffers and “a friend” (who probably doesn’t know what she’s doing either), things might not have turned out so badly.

    And even if one doesn’t believe in a nanny state, I think producers need to do these things to protect their own shows. A lot of people now feel icky and part of the exploitation watching contestants unravel. Some of those people might not be back next year to watch BGT again. Some of them may watch again, but with a severely jaundiced eye.

    Simon has been playing with fire for years and finally got burned. It was bound to happen.

    After that, I left the studio. I remember having a drink that night and trying to relax, but still feeling a bit strange. Something just didn’t feel right. And sure enough, it wasn’t.

    No need to repeat the details here – that wouldn’t be fair to Susan.

    OMG. Sounds like something really bad happened. Yikes. I hope she comes out of this okay.

  10. Alleging working on new material with another record label in May 2009???

    The article didn’t say he was working on anything, it said he went to the studio to listen to these old tracks. Just before the finale, of all times. Yeah right. I’m sure he had plenty of time to do that. :rolleyes_tb: This Hecker person seems like quite the sketchy character.

  11. Alleging working on new material with another record label in May 2009??? when Adam was then under an obligation to 19 Entertainment is a lot

    I don’t understand how he would have done this. From Top 36 on, wasn’t he pretty much under Idol supervision (with handlers) at all times?

  12. Are you saying children who sign up for these kinds of shows know full well what they are doing? The show (i.e. Simon) made a conscious decision to include children, and children cry when upset, and Simon made comments that upset them. Whose fault is that?

    Their Parents! The custodians who sign them up for it

    I dont see any victims, sorry

  13. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t understand how he would have done this. From Top 36 on, wasnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t he pretty much under Idol supervision (with handlers) at all times?

    I agree that Hi-Fi guy sounds hinky, but Idols have managed to slip out without supervision before (e.g. Blake snuck out and ended up performing at a club once).

    So, no, they are not totally under Idol supervision at all times. And no, I don’t think that Adam would ever risk his RCA/Idol career to go help some rinky-dink indie label release some old songs he sang as ordered (i.e. I’m sure he didn’t get to put much of his twist on them. He sang them the way the songwriter wanted them sung) and will not see any profit from. There is no logic in that.

  14. So, no, they are not totally under Idol supervision at all times

    True, but right before the finale? May?
    This guy is giving me the creeps!

  15. Alleging working on new material with another record label in May 2009???

    In May!! That’s around the time of the final 4, final 3 and final 2. How the hell could he possibly have had the time or freedom to do it???

    I wouldn’t buy that bag if it were dipped in gold. This HI-FI guy sounds like a real lying creep.

  16. Puh-lease, there is NO way Adam snuck out to the Hi-Fi/Wilshire offices to review that music RIGHT BEFORE THE FINALE. 19E had those contestants on lock down and on an insanely busy schedule. ESPECIALLY the Top 3 – with visits home, recording sessions, making of music videos, endless interviews and press events, preparing their finale performances, etc….

    Did they really think people would buy that lie?

  17. Their Parents!

    I dont see any victims, sorry

    I’m sorry, but even if you blame their parents, I still see the children as the ultimate victims.

    Look, Simon wants to put children on the show. Either he does it because he wants to see their dreams fulfilled (what a sweetheart!) or he thinks that it will bring in ratings (which will fill his bank accounts with money).

    Now, Simon didn’t just fall off the turnip truck. Surely he is aware that there is such a thing in the entertainment biz as “stage parents”? That some parents will shove talented kids into the limelight who are not mentally prepared for what will happen? Sure, that’s the parents fault, but he must be aware of what the results are? The dude is forever having people sing “Somewhere over the Rainbow”. Surely he’s heard about Judy Garland and what went down? Surely!

    Okay, so since he wants the kids on his show, he has two choices. He can either give them an unfair critique (always say nice things) and be unfair to the other contestants (because they could have mean things said about them) and have people howling with anger at their TVs about the unfairness. The result will be people complaining about him.

    Or, he can give them a fair critique and have them breaking down on TV and have people howling at their TVs about how mean he is. The result will be people complaining about him.

    So, I don’t see a win scenario from him if he wants to continue putting small children on TV. Perhaps “a friend” (since that’s all he seemed to think Susan needed) could help support Simon by letting him know that most children eventually grow up and then they can live their dreams when they are better capable of handling the stuff that goes with the dream. Then his sweet, altruistic heart can rest easy when he bans the children from the show. But, if it’s not all about dreams and is more about money, the “friend” could clue him in that ratings will eventually fall if people think the competition is grossly unfair (with the no criticism) or just plain mean (with the kids crying). Then his money-grubbing heart can rest easy when he bans the children from the show.

    Or he can keep having the kids on the show and he can stop complaining about people complaining about it. You don’t see Obama whinging about people complaining about him all the time do you? The realities are what they are. If you make a decision, live with the consequences. He can see that so clearly with others, but not when it comes to himself.

  18. Well I used the term “working on” rather loosely and I say alleged because that is assuming what this guy is saying is accurate.

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“He was in the Wilshire Records studio right before the finale actually, and he was blown away by the material.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Well if you don’t have some kind of an arrangement why are you going into the studio to listen to this material in the first place. If you are just session singing, who cares.

    Adam prides himself on being a rebel. But then again, one would think Adam would be much smarter than to put the AI thing in jeopardy so we need more facts, clearly, but the fact this is an issue alone can’t be sitting well with RCA.

    Someone somewhere did not dot the “i” s and cross the “t” s because I find it hard to believe these guys would be coming out like this without a legal leg to stand on, given the clout of whom they will be pissing off. But then again crazier things have happened in Hell-Ay.

  19. My head is spinning. Adam states one thing to the press regarding HiFi. HiFi states the total opposite. I so wish RCA/19 Entertainment would step up and release their own statement clearing this mess up. I for one am looking forward to Adam’s first post idol cd and would hate to see him mixed up in any legal action preventing this from happening.

  20. What a whiner Simon turned out to be.

    I find this awesomely hilarious because who would have thunk? I mean, this is the guy who is famous for hellacious criticism and now is amusingly hiding from the sniper fire of opinion. He gets paid millions of pounds so it’s just right that he mans up when people complain or something bad that he could have prevented happens to the people that eh exploits.

  21. Well I used the term à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“working onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  rather loosely and I say alleged because we have to assume this guy is being accurate

    Why would we have to assume that someone as slimey as this guy is being accurate? But if you believe he’s being accurate, then maybe the general public does too and that’s depressing, for me.

  22. lavender1960 Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Well I used the term à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“working onà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  rather loosely and I say alleged because we have to assume this guy is being accurate

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“He was in the Wilshire Records studio right before the finale actually, and he was blown away by the material.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Well if you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have some kind of an arrangement why are you going into the studio to listen to this material in the first place. If you are just session singing, who cares.

    Do you actually believe that

    1) Adam had the time “right before the finale” to go to their offices and listen to the material?
    2) That Adam would be THAT STUPID to make arrangements with them in the middle of his AI run?

  23. I’m confused by the remark, blown away by the material.

    Would Adam have said that, seeing as tho no one likes the material, and Adam surely wouldn’t have liked it either, since he seems to be smart about his tastes.

  24. Alleging working on new material with another record label in May 2009???

    Translation: Someone in our office remembered that we had those tapes in May 2009 or we would have put them out sooner.

  25. Well if you donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have some kind of an arrangement why are you going into the studio to listen to this material in the first place. If you are just session singing, who cares.

    Maybe they were offering him a chance at a record deal whether he wins or not. Maybe he went, with the knowledge of 19, to see if any of their music would suit his future 19 album. Maybe he went to visit a friend. There are so many reasons why he could have visited their offices, so let’s not jump to conclusions shall we. It’s a huge leap to go from “he was at the studio” to “working on an album”, far too large a leap to make on such scant evidence.

  26. Why would we have to assume that someone as slimey as this guy is being accurate?

    I don’t believe it for one second but for argument’s sake, what if this guy is telling the truth? What if *gasp* Adam is the one in the wrong here? It could happen.

  27. Adam has said he likes to push buttons. People who deliberately push other peoples buttons don’t always think rationally, they just want to see the reaction of the person they’re trying to irritate. I can see this as stand or a defiant move from Adam. It would be a way of being ahead of the game and having something ready to go at the end of the tour to place in the stores in the event of not making the top 2. It seems to take a while for non-winning idols to get a cd ready after their season is over. It makes sense to get ahead of the game. Then again, maybe it’s all made up. I’m sure we’ll know the truth eventually.

  28. The reality is that the record business is very litigious and unless these guys from Hi-Fi Records and Wiltshire Records are totally insane, which I do not discount, I cannot see how they would be crazy enough to make up outright lies regarding Adam knowing that RCA and AI could bury them quite easily. The reality is RCA may still bury these guys even if they are 100 per cent in the legal right, just being in the legal right doesn’t mean you are making the best business decision so I hope they know the kind of game they are playing. If they are making up lies, they better hope their assets are off shore.

    Someone somewhere didn’t tie up all the loose ends. Hopefully at least whatever happened did not constitute a breach of the AI contract.

  29. He likes to “push people’s buttons” CREATIVELY. As in with the music/art he puts out. NOT in his business dealings. Sorry, but I think Adam is FAR to saavy too pull a stunt like this while under the AI/19E contract. Of all people, I’m sure he understands the implications more than anyone. All evidence points to Adam being an incredibly intelligent and level headed man.

  30. Kristen, all I see is Simon just addressing the complaints about BGT and that whole concept of “Big Bad reality Tv and the “big bad ringmaster “. He’s allowed to comment, even if its self-serving. And I agree with the bulk of what he’s saying.

    Everyone who gets involved knows the score,including the custodians of children who put their wards on these shows. BGT or Xtra or AI arent in their first seasons…they’ve been around for a while.And when ratings fall, these producers move on to the next big thing to produce. Its TV, no need for any romantic notions here..it is what it is

    I see no victims here, just different parties involved who sometimes get their noses out of joint when things dont go the way they hoped for.

  31. avender1960 Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    The reality is that the record business is very litigious and unless these guys from Hi-Fi Records and Wiltshire Records are totally insane, I cannot see how they would be crazy enough to make up outright lies regarding Adam knowing that RCA and AI could bury them quite easily – they may still even if Hi-Fi and Wiltshire are in the legal right, there are à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“waysà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  to stop or block things.

    Someone somewhere didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t tie up all the loose ends. Hopefully at least whatever happened did not not constitute a breach of the AI contract.

    I believe they DO have the legal rights to the recordings. BUT, here’s my theory about what went down

    1) They planned to release the music without giving Adam, 19E or Sony/BMG a heads up (i.w. ambush them). They already admitted that 19E had no knowledge of their plans.
    2) Perez Hilton posting the song leak on his blog tipped their hand earlier than they expected and now they’re scrambling to cover their a$$es with their BS stories.

  32. This talk is depressing – to many scandals in a short period of time. Adam was a star the moment he stepped on that idol staged based on all the headlines he’s been making.

    Let them release the damn CD and then in the fall Adam’s new CD will shut up all the critics. So what if he don’t make money off it chalk it up as a lesson learned. Besides there are so many things on the burning for Adam once this tour ends he won’t miss it and that this stupid CD won’t matter and this record agency will be known as scammers.

    Also I’m sure 19 E is not going to let this go without a fight and I’m certain it won’t hurt Adam’s contract with them, they are not stupid.

    time for a Kradam love break

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAtBKIuLRKg&feature=fvsr

  33. Well, it’s another controversy that will keep Adam’s name in headlines. I see no harm in having this album out, it’ll get no backing from any major label, sell whatever it’ll sell for a couple of weeks, then no one will care anymore. Whatevs. It’s not like it’ll really be competing for attention when his real album comes out.

    On another subject – I don’t read the Headlines thread every day, I’m guessing the No Boundaries parody that was posted on VFTW already made its way here? I just watched it and cracked up.

  34. The reality is that the record business is very litigious and unless these guys from Hi-Fi Records and Wiltshire Records are totally insane, I cannot see how they would be crazy enough to make up outright lies regarding Adam knowing that RCA and AI could bury them quite easily

    Oh I don’t think they outright lied. I think they distorted the truth. Adam may well have visited their offices, someone may have played him a song and he may have said that it was nice. They took that and used it to imply, imply is the operative word here because that’s all they do in this statement, that he knew of the album and approved of it. They don’t actually say that he knew of the album. they just say he visited and liked what he heard.
    Also they say they have a legal right to publish the music, and I’m sure that’s true. They don’t say they have the right to publish with Adam’s name or image.

    It’s all PR language. it’s prevaricating and non confirming in nature. HI-FI’s statement is really quite standard PR terminology.

  35. well if 19E was blindsided by these demos, part of the fault lies with Adam if he failed to disclose to them his previous paid musical recordings.

  36. Hopefully at least whatever happened did not not constitute a breach of the AI contract.

    That’s what horrifies me about this issue…………I’m waiting for the shit to hit the fan (or hopefully not!) over the next few days before I can even comment. Something’s smelling a bit fishy and it aint the trout either!

    IF Adam was in the Wi-Fi studios in May? Well…….hmmmmmmmmmm.Fingers crossed that it isnt as sticky a situation for Adam as I suspect it is

  37. Ugh, Hi-Fi debacle, ugh. Because Adam released a *short* statement and 19 has not, I suspect there is a lot of talk going on behind the scenes. I don’t think this bodes well for Adam AT ALL, and I am desperately waiting for damage control.

  38. If you’ve had to deal with a button pusher in real life you know they’re equal opportunist and they don’t discriminate. Any one can be the target at any time.

    Even though my grandmother use to say this, Oprah also said it also so I’ll say I’m quoting her.

    “Believe people when they tell you who they are”.

    ( She was talking about a guy she had dated who told her that he wasn’t the guy for her, but she ignored his bad behavior because she was so in love, he broke her heart )

  39. All we can do is wait for the next shot of the cannon from the Adam/19/RCA side I guess.

    This demo album could do harm if it really sucks. If RCA can’t stop these guys legally, fans can boycott it of course but the damage could still be done, the press will be all over it, as they are career button pushers and opportunists.

    If the demo album does not suck, then it’s just more good publicity. But still, RCA and Adam are working hard to create this new uniquely Adam sound, so you don’t want something like this interfering with all that hard work.

    My gut tells me regardless of who is in the right or wrong, this demo album is not going to see the light of day, not officially anyway.

    ETA Because if it sucks what does Hi-Fi/Wiltshire hope to gain by releasing it, except perhaps a buyout from RCA?

  40. I don’t care how many buttons Adam likes to push, bottom line is that HE likes to be in control. And he knew early on he’d get a major recording contract and the opportunity to work with real songwriters and producers.

    Does anyone really think that Adam would want a demo song from 2005, which is currently on the Wilshire website sung by other artists, as his DEFINING song? Heck no! This was his 1st experience in a recording studio. It’s nothing like he says he wants! One thing Adam is, is smart about the industry. He’s had a working relationship with them for yrs. He could have stopped by as friends, he could have tried to talk them out of this, he could have tried to “work” the friendship in hopes they wouldn’t screw with his opportunity, he could have assumed they would submit any work to Sony in hopes they might want it. But, does anyone at all think he’d want some demo album thrown together to come right before his own major one? No matter if he won or not, he knew he was the IT guy from this season. But, I think they guy is scum all around and wouldn’t believe a word from him.

    They waited until a Friday afternoon to spring this on Adam/19. It was for the shock value. This is how they knew they’d get publicity. How many people have now googled their names and know about them now. They waited until after RS and all this media and then did the whole “surprise” thing late on a Friday.

  41. These reports are confusing. Wouldn’t the fact that someone else recorded “Want” under a different title kind of indicate that it wasn’t his song specifically? That part doesn’t seem to jive with Adam writing the songs. I don’t know, I just hope it doesn’t hurt his career in any way.

  42. Kristen, all I see is Simon just addressing the complaints about BGT and that whole concept of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Big Bad reality Tv and the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“big bad ringmaster à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s allowed to comment, even if its self-serving. And I agree with the bulk of what heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s saying.

    But, by his own definition, he’s whining.

    Look, I agree that the contestants who sign up for these things know that they could get ridiculed or treated unfairly. Songs get pulled. Other contestants get favoured. Pimp spots. Flames of pimpage. You name it.

    So, when contestants go on the show and then whine about being treated unfairly, people call them whiners. And Simon rolls his eyes at them and tells them to grow up.

    But, at the same time, music execs are going to make decisions that people don’t like. Producers of shows are going to arrange the show such that they get the highest ratings regardless of whether it is fair or not. Judges on reality shows that speak their minds are going to offend people.

    Simon isn’t new to the business. He knows that people will state opinions on these matters. He knows that people may sometimes unfairly judge him. That they may say mean things about him. IT IS PART OF THE BUSINESS. He knew this coming in. If he didn’t, he’s an idiot.

    So, if Simon doesn’t think contestants should complain about known aspects of being a contestant, then WTF is he doing complaining about known aspects of his business? Seriously? Part of his job is to be what some might consider an a$$. Why write a “woe-is-me” article about it? It’s your job. Deal with it. I laugh at his utter hypocrisy.

    How would people react if Obama wrote an article saying “woe-is-me”. Some people don’t agree with the decisions I make as president. Don’t they know how hard it is? Don’t they know how I’m just trying to do a good job? People are so mean to me! They disappoint me as humans. I think the press would have field day and a lot of people would question whether he is suited for the job. People complain about the president. That’s life.

    People complain about hyper-critical judges, manipulative producers and evil business execs. They just do. Live with it or get another job. It’s the exact same advice that Simon would give to reality show contestants.

  43. He likes to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“push peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s buttonsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  CREATIVELY.

    You have to admit, he enjoys a measure of outrageousness. That rolling stone interview was flush with personal, not creative, audacity. He’s many things but a shrinking violet isn’t one of them.

  44. calvinshobbes Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    well if 19E was blindsided by these demos, part of the fault lies with Adam if he failed to disclose to them his previous paid musical recordings.

    Seeing as Adam has a long history of working as a session singer in LA, I’m SURE 19E knew demos of Adam out there existed. His own demos (Pop Goes The Camera, I Got This, Kiss and Tell, etc…) are already out there on YouTube. His demos with old band Citizen Vein are already out there too.

    So I HIGHLY DOUBT that the existence of other Adam demos come as ANY shock to 19E or Sony/BMG.

    What it seems like 19E did NOT know about is this small record label’s plans to release and sell a collection of demos that Adam sang on as an ALBUM months ahead of his official major record label release.

  45. Sorry, but I think Adam is FAR to saavy too pull a stunt like this while under the AI/19E contract. Of all people, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure he understands the implications more than anyone. All evidence points to Adam being an incredibly intelligent and level headed man.

    Yes, to this, snuffles! Exactly!

    “He could have stopped by as friends, he could have tried to talk them out of this, he could have tried to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“workà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  the friendship in hopes they wouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t screw with his opportunity, he could have assumed they would submit any work to Sony in hopes they might want it”

    Good thinking, cay. If, he was there, this could be exactly what went down.

  46. hollygo9 Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    He likes to à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“push peopleà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s buttonsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  CREATIVELY.

    You have to admit, he enjoys a measure of outrageousness. That rolling stone interview was flush with personal, not creative, audacity. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s many things but a shrinking violet isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t one of them.

    True; but STUPID isn’t one of them either.

  47. As smart as Adam is, he is probably like a lot of young singers and other artists who sign contracts and waivers either not understanding the implications of what they signed or knowing but not caring because they need the money – they got rent coming due etc and aren’t thinking about the next level of their career. Then they become famous, as stated, opportunity has come aknocking, whether it’s the photographer with nude photos of the beauty pageant contestant or the singer or the actress, the ex boyfriend with the sex tape, the ex band mates who are hawking the old albums or demo tapes or the studio you did demos for 2 years ago.

  48. If Adam did not breach any AI contracts Adam fans will just get more music out of this. I don’t think they will be able to pay off Wilshire records to halt release. This could have been negotiated behind closed doors if they were willing to be paid off. If Adam did breach his contract then RCA has some decisions to make regarding him. Do you want someone on your label that has screwed you over regardless of how good they are? If Adam did something wrong it will be hard for him to claim ignorance given his experience in the business. I hope all of this is clean and his fans will walk away with an unexpected cd in hand and Adam will walk away with his RCA contract intact.

  49. Even though my grandmother use to say this, Oprah also said it also so Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll say Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m quoting her.

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Believe people when they tell you who they areà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

    Oprah may have said this but I don’t get how it relates to Adam. As far as I’ve seen he’s been nothing but open & honest. I’d certainly believe him before the HiFi guys about whom I know nothing. He has said he likes to “push people’s buttons” and it’s always in the context of controversary surrounding his performances. I don’t see how the pushing buttons thing ties into this situation either.

    I think this will die down in a few days with no lasting damage to Adam. I hope so.

  50. lavender1960 Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:59 am

    As smart as Adam is, he is probably like a lot of young singers and other artists who sign contracts and waivers either not understanding the implications of what they signed or knowing but not caring because they need the money – they got rent coming due etc and arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t thinking about the next level of their career. Then they become famous, as stated, opportunity has come aknocking, whether ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the photographer with nude photos of the beauty pageant contestant or the singer or the actress, the ex boyfriend with the sex tape, the ex band mates who are hawking the old albums or demo tapes or the studio you did demos for 2 years ago.

    Which is exactly what Adam said in his statement. But others around here seemed to be implying that Adam continued to be involved in HiFi/Wilshire’s Records plans to release these demos AFTER he signed on for AI and signed 19E’s contracts.

    I don’t believe Adam would be stupid enough to do THAT.

  51. Yeah, the Wiltshire /Hi Fi Records guy sounds like a character out of Entourage

    John Hecker is an entrepreneur and well respected à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“taste makerà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  in the music industry. He is the Founder, President & CEO of Hi Fi Recordings, Fi Hi Music Publishing and Merch, LLC. Prior to these, he was a founding partner in a number of successful restaurants and nightclubs (Club Soda, Vertigo and Trinity in Los Angeles, and The Living Room in New York City).

    A club owner and “taste maker”? And his online material claims some sort of connection to Avril Lavigne, but she’s on RCA.

    Should be interesting to watch how the music biz plays out. Sounds like Adam did these when he was a unknown, got paid, and has no further involvement.

    I’m surprised that the guy would lie outright about Adam supposedly coming to his studio and approving the project in May of this year . . . but that (outright lie) seems infinitely more probably then Adam sabotaging his own big label debut by approving the release of old demo material through a no name indie.

    Hi Fi will have no ability to get this on radio, and no right to Adam’s likeness in marketing, so it’s unlikely to be in stores, so only the online world will even hear about it . . . if they have some fantasy that a million people will run and buy it online through word of mouth once the Sparkly dude himself has told the real story, I think they’re living in a dream world.

    I wonder if he’s hoping to be paid to go away? But meanwhile, he’s pissed off the artist AND RCA AND 19E and made himself radioactive to any other artist with a lick of sense. Wonder how that’s gonna work out for him . . . John Hecker, taste-maker, lowlife, . . . idiot.

  52. IF Adam was in the Wi-Fi studios in May? Wellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.hmmmmmmmmmm.Fingers crossed that it isnt as sticky a situation for Adam as I suspect it is

    Why would anyone believe a word these cockroaches say? Why wouldn’t they outright lie? I think they’re totally capable of it. The time that they say Adam came in would have been finals week, yeah, sure he had time to go there and suuuure he was totally fine with them releasing demo/session songs he had no part of writing or producing, before his hard-worked for, anticpated debut with major producers which is his dream. And yeah, Adam likes to push buttons creatively, to make people think about music, not by trying to screw over his own career. Even if you think the worst of Adam and he was a selfish jerk, than he wouldn’t want to screw himself over by having anything to do with this dreck. Adam wants to challenge with his music creatively, not be mentally challenged about the business part.

    Secondly, they are saying he wrote this stuff, when they have the same bloody song by someone else and not one writing credit to be found. Thirdly, when actually pressed about Adam actually getting any money from this, they don’t answer the question, because they know they are lying about this doing any good/for Adam and that they planned for him not to see one red cent from this. These people sprung it on 19/Sony and Adam without a word. These people have zero credibilty are are clearly just a bunch of bottom-feeding scum who are trying to make a buck. Either by trying to force Sony to buy this stuff to make it go away, or by releasing this and making money off of Adam, while he doesn’t earn squat. It’s a win-win for these rats, but doesn’t make them credible, just unscrupulous.

    And Adam didn’t break contract. That’s makes no sense. No way that Adam put his 19 contract in jeopardy for 4 year old studio sessions he isn’t getting money from. That is even contradicted by these rats (and apologies to rats everywhere for the insult) saying they sprung this on people. That is the only part of any of their statements I believe. Because that is clearly what took place, and Adam and everyone else, is scrambling to deal with it.

  53. Hmm weese I think it could be a tactic to increase the price of any buyout – they may not have liked the initial offer or weren’t getting the reaction they were looking for – that would be hardball record industry style.

    The problem is this last statement, implying that Adam was more involved then he let on however, is potentially damaging. All we can do is wait for the next statement.

    I don’t think radioplay is an issue for these guys in any event – this is what you call a novelty release – if anything ends up on the radio it would some DJ’s doing of his or her own accord because it is that good or the anti Idol DJs making fun. My gut tells me though no matter which way this plays, this CD isn’t seeing the light of day.

    If I were RCA and could easily prove they lied about Adam and libel/slandered him, this would be the settlement deal – you don’t release this CD we don’t sue your ass off for slander and put you out of business – sound good? Won’t cost RCA a cent, well some legal bills but you know what I mean. And it is free PR as long as they win in the end.

  54. Of course these people would lie they dont care about Adam ,AI, 19E or RCA. They only care about making money. Its business to them they dont care how they make money, just that they do.

  55. Man oh man….The Adam recordings are like a really bad game of “telephone” or “tell the next person” that we used to play as children. Now there are people that are lining up behind the recording studio and making every effort to discredit Adam based on a few PR statements.

    Adam, by his own valition was a session recording Artist. We know that he recorded a ton of stuff because we have heard most of it on You tube. We also know he dabbled in writing songs and recording some of his own material, which I am sure he dropped off at numerous studios trying to get a foot hold in the door. And, for all of you that have forgotten, the only thing that 19 cared about is whether he had a “signed” contract with another recording company at the TIME he tried out for idol.

    Adam is being used just like many now famous Artists who have come before him. Come on, everyone, its just like the “racy” photos of starlets that surface before they become real “stars”. People, early in their “careers” sign releases all the time allowing others to “use” the photos, or the session recordings, or even tapes that they send to studios.

    I’d have to be on crack to think that Adam would jeopardize his entire career by being a partner to this “so called” album release. He is being blindsided by people who are in possession of stuff that he did ages ago and nobody thought was good enough to “market” back then. Geesh……

  56. I’m sorry, that classless quote from Heckler when he confirms Hi Fi Recordings did not notify 19/RCA about its intent to release Lambert’s fake debut album before announcing the news on Friday afternoon says it all: “I bet they know now.”

    In other words, I am getting a kick outta all the press this is gonna generate, and I am gonna make some bank off this kid’s name one way or another, make me an offer 19/RCA.

  57. But don’t you think their past experience(HiFi ) makes them knowledgeable enough to not slander themselves? I agree with Lavender that this is a tactic to get a large pay out though.
    At first I thought they would go to RCA first but I guess springing something on them would actually garner more cash. Obviously this is about money. Past Idols have had good friends cash in on them, someone like John Hecker certainly won’t let this opportunity pass him by.

  58. Adam is damaged goods, he is a problem child and not worth producers investing in it. Adam will not sell CD’s like Kelly or Carry. Heck look how Cook is still not up there with Kelly and Carry and Cook wasn’t as controversy as Adam is. Adam is polarizing. Half hate him and half like him…that’s not something a producer would want added to this is not a good thing for Adam.

    Heck AI might have sent Adam over there to try and work out a deal or feel them out. Who knows but he is damaged goods big time now like it or not.

  59. If Adam was a songwriter, wouldn’t he have some rights to the songs? Couldn’t he prevent them from releasing his songs?

  60. I dont think that they are that knowledgable at all. If they were they would have taken the December song offline before leaking Adams demo of it.

    Lera stop trying to predict the future Adam is not damaged goods. The same situation happened to Christina Aguilera and Leona Lewis and they weren’t hurt by it. Preddicting this will hurt his career is nothing more than wishful thinking by people who dont like Adam

  61. I dont’ hate Adam, I’m just saying that there are a million of people who can sell records. I happen to think that Adam is more of a “Fad” and he will lose his luster especially with this. Time will tell but that’s my OPINION which last I read I’m allowed to have. Just because you don’t like my opinion doesn’t give you the right to tell me to stop giving my opinion.

    Lera

  62. Wow, sounds messy. Was Adam really there in May??? I’m betting one thing though. This hifi recordings is going to sink a lot of money into promoting this release because they smell $$$. Can they get any kind of “in” at radio?

  63. I’ll just slip in here to say….HAPPY BIRTHDAY KRIS! You are 24 and, man, do you have a bright, bright future ahead of you……

    :clap_tb:

  64. calvinshobbes Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    well if 19E was blindsided by these demos, part of the fault lies with Adam if he failed to disclose to them his previous paid musical recordings.

    Seeing as Adam has a long history of working as a session singer in LA, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m SURE 19E knew demos of Adam out there existed. His own demos (Pop Goes The Camera, I Got This, Kiss and Tell, etcà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦) are already out there on YouTube. His demos with old band Citizen Vein are already out there too.

    So I HIGHLY DOUBT that the existence of other Adam demos come as ANY shock to 19E or Sony/BMG.

    What it seems like 19E did NOT know about is this small record labelà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s plans to release and sell a collection of demos that Adam sang on as an ALBUM months ahead of his official major record label release.

    @Snuffles, ^^^ THIS!

    Having previous material floating around is probably the case for 95 percent of the finalists. Most didn’t just wake up one day and think, “Hey, maybe I can sing … I’ll go try out for ‘American Idol.'” (Except Megan, perhaps, and then again, she was only half right …) Many things don’t add up here, especially the Hi Fi guy’s assertion that Adam wrote some of the songs (which would entitle him to royalties, whereas being a voice-for-hire would not). And that DOES NOT sound like it’s happening.

    I find his claim that Adam visiting the studios and giving the songs his blessing highly dubious. Even if they were fantastic, there was too much going on in Adam’s life at that point for him to have anything to do with is past works doesn’t make sense. He was already under the “season contract” to AI and had not yet signed with 19/RCA, so my armchair legal opinion is there is no relevance to any breach of contract with RCA.

    What I think is going to happen: RCA and 19 will file suit with a lot of “this is not representative of the quality of Adam’s first album” rhetoric and the whole thing will give Adam even more publicity. Adam will promote the hell out of his first album and completely eclipse any traction the “non-sanctioned” material will have received.

    @Squirelly, thanks for that Kradam fix!! Love it!!

    Happy Birthday, Kris!!!

  65. Lera ok you are entitled to your opinion but just because you think it doesn’t make it fact. This will probably be old new in a week. The MTV article says that 19E and RCA are making a statement today. Then everyone will move on.

  66. Adam has said he likes to push buttons. People who deliberately push other peoples buttons donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t always think rationally, they just want to see the reaction of the person theyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢re trying to irritate. I can see this as stand or a defiant move from Adam. It would be a way of being ahead of the game and having something ready to go at the end of the tour to place in the stores in the event of not making the top 2. It seems to take a while for non-winning idols to get a cd ready after their season is over. It makes sense to get ahead of the game.

    If you would have seen and/or read Adam’s interviews, you would know that Adam is a very rational, business-savvy person. Since the start of top 13, people in the industry were indeed interested in Adam. Adam knew this, and also knowing the 19 process and legalities, Adam would NOT go outside (especially with an indie label) to try and secure another contract. 19 has right of option of signing any of the top 10. It definitely would be a breach of contract if Adam tried to sign with anyone else; however, would he? No. He is too smart, and he probably figured 19, especially both Simons were very, very interested in him. How many times was “star” placed upon him from three of the judges.

  67. Lu, I dont think that they can do much promotion. Adam has already distanced himself from the project and wont promote it. The media now know that its nothing to do with Adam. RCA will probably block itunes and radio plays. (RCA can threaten radio stations by saying if they play it they will no longer do business with them with their other artists).

  68. I don’t think this is necessarily means that Adam did anything wrong at all, no matter if Mr HiFi is lying or not. This kind of thing happens all the time, where somebody who suddenly becomes famous has pictures (Vanessa Williams/Miss America) or music (Elliott Yamin and “Big Planz”) that somebody else has the rights to and chooses to exploit once the former sessions singer or starving actress/model becomes prominent.

    Sometimes the lawyers can squash the offenders and sometimes there’s nothing they can do (Vanessa Williams, for example). I still don’t understand why AI and 19 were able to pull David Cook’s record off Amazon when Brooke’s was still available, and why they could force Ricky Braddy’s parents to get rid of their site, when other people’s sites stuck around. My guess is that (in the case of the recordings), it depends on the agreement they signed in the first place. If Adam did it as a work for hire, where he took a fee, did his work, and kept no rights in the recordings created, he may be out of luck. If he was very smart, he would’ve included language barring them from using his name or likeness with the work. But usually, if you’re doing work for hire, you’re not that demanding. Besides, he’d have had to be psychic to know it would work out like this.

    Yes, it’s sucky that somebody would take advantage of a struggling artist who signed away all his rights to make a few pennies, and now has to face somebody exploiting those recordings. It may be that it’s worth it to 19 and RCA to pay off HiFi or whoever and buy back the rights so they can bury this “album.” Or maybe they can tie them up in legal proceedings long enough to a) bankrupt them, or b) make this record’s timing less competitive with his real cd coming out in November.

    We’ll have to wait and see how it all sorts itself out. If I were a judge and it were a standard work-for-hire contract to do voice work for demos, I might be inclined to rule that putting out these recordings as a stand-alone album was never intended in the original agreement and that it’s therefore impermissible. But I’m not a judge and I haven’t seen the agreement, so… Let’s hope they didn’t reserve the right to use these recordings in any way they see fit in perpetuity throughout the universe or anything.

  69. “damaged goods”?

    okay – that’s a stretch

    Damaged goods don’t have so many people wanting to bask in their glow as Adam’s. I really don’t think this will hurt his career or contract with 19E, they want Adam and will do what they can to keep him.

    Hell even if this don’t work out – there are so many doors open for Adam right now, the world is truly his oyster – his name sparks interest.

  70. Here’s my take on Adam’s pre-idol recording:

    Hi-Fi sees an opportunity to make money but their taking advantage of using Adam’s popularity is a classless act. However, I don’t think this will damage Adam’s career. If you read the way media is picking this up, they always mention that this is an old recording before his AI stint. with a side note that this will be very different from what Adam is doing currently with RCA. I believe this is part of 19’s damage control. Whether the Hi-Fi recording is good or bad, I don’t think RCA will stop them because this will be additional publicity (at no cost) for Adam’s forthcoming album which everyone expects to be a far cry from this summer album. It happened to some artists in the past and they still came out as successful in the end. The Hi-Fi recording for me is similar to what we have been googling in youtube when we can’t get enough of Adam when we first saw him on AI. As I’ve said before, the Hi-Fi is just the drum roll to the big event (RCA). I don’t see a breach of contract with RCA because this is his post-Idol career. Adam has no control to all recordings coming out left and right after AI.

    On Simon :

    It was the people who created the Simon character. People watched him because he is brutally frank. It’s part of the show. If you want to enter the biz, you should be prepared with all the critcisms that come with it. Do you think people will still watch AI or his other shows if he’s not there. Sure, sometimes he goes too far but this was what people is expecting from him.

  71. Doesn’t Adam want to put out a kind of techno type CD? That is a very limited audience that likes that type of stuff. That was my angle in that he is hard pressed to sell a lot of CD’s given even David Cook isn’t up there with Kelly or Carry, also add in the mix how he is polarizing. It’s not a good mix any way it shapes up.

    I think HiFi was playing hardball to soak money from RCA, if both are going to make a statement it will be positive which means that RCA paid big bucks to HiFi.

    I’m guessing if Adam did write some songs he sold the rights to them in 05.

    Perhaps hifi is helping Adam because Adam want’s out of his contract with RCA? Far Fetched but you all seem to think Adam is that savvy so makes you wonder.

  72. If you want to believe the press release from HI-FI on Adam, the big question to ask is why would Adam do this? It doesn’t make any sense.

    When in May did he go to HI FI? Was it after the finale. Perhaps they asked him to come in? Perhaps they played him some of his old demos to see if he was interested in using any of them for his RCA debut album. Perhaps Adam was “blown away” that they still had these demos. Or he was “blown away” that they were going to hold him to some legal language that would allow them to use the demos.

    It’s easy to write a press release and parse words in such a way that no one could say HI-FI was lying, but at the same time the press release doesn’t represent the truth either.

  73. “Perhaps hifi is helping Adam because Adam wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s out of his contract with RCA?”

    With the special treatment he is getting from RCA (working with his choice of producers), I don’ think Adam would want to get out of his RCA contract.

  74. Perhaps hifi is helping Adam because Adam wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s out of his contract with RCA? Far Fetched but you all seem to think Adam is that savvy so makes you wonder.

    How is trying to get out a contract he JUST SIGNED (and by all indications is THRILLED with) a savvy move? That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.

  75. Right Lola but we all know what we hear in the press isn’t always true. Perhaps Adam feels like RCA is making him produce songs he doesn’t want. He feels stifled? *shrugs* It’s a mess for sure.

  76. Perhaps hifi is helping Adam because Adam wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s out of his contract with RCA? Far Fetched but you all seem to think Adam is that savvy so makes you wonder.

    Do you think Adam would want to go from a million-dollar contract to a hundred-dollar contract? You can see how Adam is so excited to be working with great producers, musicians, and writers — people he has wanted to work with. He worked hard to get to this point and no way is he going to jeopardize that nor give it up.

  77. Lera
    Jun 20th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
    Adam is damaged goods,

    Lol!!!! No, he is most definitely not. Unless ofcourse Sony BMG were some virgin shrinking violet of a record company willing to sulk and piss away profits because it’s ownership was challenged by some piss-ant company a fraction of it’s size releasing some old demos. Which, by the way, it is not.

  78. I think the companyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s promotion of the identical song by a different artist on their site lends credence to Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s statement that the vocals were from flat rate session singing, and not as Hi Fi/Wilshire claim, some early collaboration and songwriting with Adam. And their removal of that song this morning adds to that impression.

    Edit – This was another members post in a different thread.

  79. Lera you crack me up.

    Seriously Adam’s album will be kick ass come this fall. Lets look at this summer album as fluff filler and if Adam and 19 E don’t have problem, then why should we.

    The more I think about this the more I think it’s a bluff tactic because if they really wanted to draw people in to buy this there had to be something better than ‘Want’ to be the first released single.

    Although the more I hear it, the more I like it, and I know it’s only because Adam’s voice can make anything sound good.

  80. Lera Jun 20th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Right Lola but we all know what we hear in the press isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t always true. Perhaps Adam feels like RCA is making him produce songs he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want. He feels stifled? *shrugs* Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a mess for sure.

    Yeah that’s why after Adam gave 19E/RCA his dream list of musical collaborators, they arranged for every last one of them to work with Adam. Clearly they’re stifling the man’s dreams. :rolleyes_tb: :rolleyes_tb: :rolleyes_tb:

  81. BlissTheAssassin
    Jun 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
    I think the companyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s promotion of the identical song by a different artist on their site lends credence to Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s statement that the vocals were from flat rate session singing, and not as Hi Fi/Wilshire claim, some early collaboration and songwriting with Adam. And their removal of that song this morning adds to that impression.

    ^^^^^ Absolutely that.

  82. Lera,

    Uh, no, Adam has NOT said he wants to make a “techno type CD,” he want’s to do an innovative, electronic instrumental vibe on SOME of the tracks. Believe me, his material will not be aimed at a limited audience.

    Also, why in God’s name would Adam want to get out of his contract with RCA?!?! It’s a dream come true for him and they are laying the world at his feet (i.e., setting up immediate sessions with a Midas-touch producer who is ON FIRE right now, the best writers and gearing up worldwide promotion).

    He has said REPEATEDLY that he couldn’t be more ecstatic with how things are going. So right, he’s going to go ahead and spit in this industry giant’s eye (who in the weeks since his involvement have made him their Golden Boy, making him a TOP PRIORITY artist and giving him free reign to do everything he’s ever wanted to do) so he can sign up with this sleazeball rinky-dink outfit????

    No.

    I don’t know about signing his rights away as a writer. That is a whole different situation. Sure, he needed the money so he worked as a studio singer, that’s done all the time. But I think Adam is smart enough to know, from a writer’s standpoint, that a song is not a screenplay (for a first- or second-time author). You do not sell it like it was a car. That would have been EXTREMELY naive on his part and I truly hope it’s not the case.

  83. And more importantly why did Stephen Baldwin quit I’m a Celebrity? Enquiring minds need to know. He seemed so passionate about his charity cause.

  84. I’m interested about the Baldwin thing as well. He was who I wanted to win.

  85. Right Lola but we all know what we hear in the press isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t always true. Perhaps Adam feels like RCA is making him produce songs he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want. He feels stifled? *shrugs* Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s a mess for sure.

    No, you can’t believe everything you hear in the press. I can believe what I’ve heard coming out of Adam’s own mouth. He’s nobody’s puppet, as the RS article proved. He is over the Moon about what’s happening to him right now. And what mess? This will be yet another blip on the radar that tracks Adam’s stratospheric climb.

    edit: calm down, don’t question the motives of posters

  86. Reminder:

    Dial back the defensiveness, peeps. It’s one poster with an opinion. No need for an angry pile-on.

  87. Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m interested about the Baldwin thing as well. He was who I wanted to win.

    I am too!

    And HAPPY BIRTHDAY KRIS ALLEN! :).

  88. Does anyone know for sure that Adam actually wrote any of the songs? I was under the impression that it was a demo recorded for other songwriters trying to sell their songs. Either way Adam didn’t do anything wrong because the only rule regarding AI contenders is that they not be signed to any recording contract when they audition for Idol. The demos in question were made years ago and were not part of any recording contract past or present. Obviously its quite a stretch to say that Adam is “damaged goods”… And he visited the company in May? During the finals? Even if he did, which I highly doubt, I’m sure the hyperbole “he was blown away” is not true. I’m blown away by their audacity, but not surprised.

  89. Re: Simon article in Daily Mail.

    Well the Daily Mail is hardly The Times so anything in it I would take with a grain of salt. Having said that I don’t see any victims either. Reality shows and competition shows have been around for years now and contestants should go in with eyes wide open….as should the parents of children who are contestants. I wouldn’t permit my child to be on such a show, there are other competitive avenues for children to compete in until they’re of an age to ‘handle’ a show such at BGT.

    I think Simon was being candid and he is spot on most of the time in his observations. He is looking at the commercial potential, not always the artistic potential. Alot of these contestants are after instant fame, not paying their dues for their art. For others,who have paid their dues, it is a platform for their chance to be seen and heard.

    I do agree about having a psycholgoical evaluation. In the medical field we make potential bariatric surgery patients have one. These are life altering events.

  90. Doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t Adam want to put out a kind of techno type CD? That is a very limited audience that likes that type of stuff.

    Yes, I can tell how poorly Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Black Eyed Peas latest techno sounding single are doing. I should only wish for Adam to be as “limited,” in his success as Lady GaGa. Really. I would.

    And the only one I care about on I’m a Celebrity is Sanjaya, and besides the non-Alec Baldwins bug me. Alec seems like a bit of a jerk, but at least he’s a talented one. 30 Rock, well, rocks.

  91. It’s in Hi Fi’s interests to make it look like Adam is as connected as possible to this material. The more people think he had to do with it, the more likely they are to buy it. So Hi Fi has him writing it and giving it his blessing as recently as May of this year.

    If people hear that this material is Adam singing other people’s songs as a session singer in 2005 the number of them that will actually buy it will go way down.

  92. I do agree about having a psycholgoical evaluation.

    I don’t think it would be practical for every reality show to do a psychological evaluation. That would effectively shut down all reality shows, and lets face it some of them are good entertainment. There have been a couple that staged an intervention of sorts for participants who had a problem, Dennis Rodman (alcohol related on Celebrity Apprentice) and some guy, I think his name was Joey (Real World, also alcohol related). In the latter case the show sent the guy to rehab.

    Real World more or less “invented” reality TV. I don’t watch it anymore because the participants go out and drink like fish and then wind up cursing and fighting, it seems like the producers encourage them to party for the sake of the show, but I digress. The point is none of these reality shows will go away unless people stop watching them.

    There was a girl on America’s Top Model a few cycles back who had Asperger’s Syndrome. I have worked with kids like that and was a little worried about her, but she did great and the other girls eventually accepted her. Thank goodness the show gave her a chance as she deserved it as much as anyone else.

    IMO reality programs do have a responsibility to intervene if problems occur once the participants are actually on the show, but screening everyone out who has a diagnosed problem would not prevent many who seem normal but aren’t from slipping through the cracks. It would also be discriminatory.

  93. for the really obsessed

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00270YH9Q?ie=UTF8&tag=constantinecr-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00270YH9Q

    if I was 20 years younger I would get this

    That’s hilarious! Over at GossipCandy she suggested this would be even better as a huge paper doll so you could dress it up. Now THAT I might buy, seeing as how my birthday is Monday…

    Hey– since Kris and I almost share the same birthday, does that mean that we might have almost the same kind of relationship with Adam? Woot!

    ***

    Regarding Simon: I think that he wants to make sure everything goes well on his shows for self-interest, if for no other reason. Plus, his name and reputation are on the line if things don’t go well, as these are HIS shows produced by HIS company. I’ve heard that he’s actually a pretty nice person off the set. You can’t really predict how people will behave when put in these unusual circumstances (even with testing sometimes). Some folks will always feel cheated if they don’t make a fortune, and some will always bless their luck for whatever happens.

    I have heard that on AI they DO have contestants do some psychological testing, which would be a good thing. They have too much invested in these people not to be cautious.

  94. Oh and happy burfday to Kris! I’m sure he’ll be spending a lovely day with his family.

  95. I feel really bad for Adam. He never gets a break. I just hope this thing gets solved by RCA as soon as possible. Here’s hoping they’ll at least postpone the release until next year when Adam’s real album gets released. I don’t want the general public to think that songs like “WANT” is Adam’s genre of music.

  96. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s hilarious! Over at GossipCandy she suggested this would be even better as a huge paper doll so you could dress it up. Now THAT I might buy, seeing as how my birthday is Mondayà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    That’s too funny and totally reminds me of a post some lady put on the AI forum at the beginning of the season when this whole hysteria was just beginning to ramp up and Adam’s sexuality was being discussed. She said, “I don’t necessarily want to have sex with Adam, I just want him to be like my doll à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ I want to take him shopping, dress him up and do his hair à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’ and then I’d sit him on my bed and make him sing for me.” (Or something like that; it was very cute and I’ve thought of that often when musing on Adam’s vast appeal.)

    And Lizardino, Happy Birthday, BTW! (We need a Smiley that has a party hat and confetti.)

  97. If you want to believe the press release from HI-FI on Adam, the big question to ask is why would Adam do this? It doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make any sense.

    Because Adam likes to be the center of attention. It’s for the press baby.

    As far as psychological testing for contestents, I’m all for it if the judges take them too. Simon is long due.

  98. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã‹Americaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Got Talentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ wants its own Boyle

    à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“What she has done is laid the gauntlet down to America. Beat that. Sheà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the biggest star from any talent show ever. See what you can do, America.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ 

    Oh Lord help us!!! Won’t they ever learn? On a more hopeful note, does anybody even watch “America’s Got Talent”?

  99. Because Adam likes to be the center of attention. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s for the press baby.

    My point is that most artists, I believe, do not want music out there that they feel doesn’t represent them. I’m sure there are many, many other things Adam can do to get press if that is his goal. Having someone package some old demos and release them as Adam’s debut album doesn’t seem to be something Adam would want.

  100. Oh Lord help us!!! Wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t they ever learn? On a more hopeful note, does anybody even watch à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Americaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Got Talentà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ?

    Seriously. That show is HORRIBLE. And yet has been the #1 summer show the past couple of years. x_x I’m sure they’re reconsidering finding their very own Susan Boyle now that all this drama is going down. I hope so anyway!

  101. Are you saying children who sign up for these kinds of shows know full well what they are doing?

    Thier parents do…..

  102. So what if he donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make money off it chalk it up as a lesson learned.

    For sure. Inspiring artists should make sure they have lawyers look over contracts, even for demos before signing all their rights over. This happens too many times to people once they some popularity. People WILL take advantage of you if they can get some money out of it.

  103. Adam is polarizing.

    Really? So Adam is more polarizing than Eminem who is the best selling artist of this decade and sold over 600,000 copies of his CD in its first week???? If thats what polorizing gets ya, then Adam is going to be VERY successful. lol

  104. Perhaps hifi is helping Adam because Adam wantà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s out of his contract with RCA?

    I’ll believe that when Hell freezes over.

  105. I like Adam, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t like his voice or his actions.

    For some reason that statement reminds me of the joke, “Apart from that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?”

  106. So…let me understand this concept….Adam is struggling to pay the bills so he hires himself out as a session musician, just like guitar players and drummers, and other musicians, and a few back up singers, too. They all get paid by the gig but before they get paid they have to go out and hire a lawyer at $500 bucks an hour to make sure that nobody will put this silly little song out on an album if and when they become famous, maybe 10 years down the road. No one does this….they can’t afford to.

    I’m just having a real problem with people accusing Adam as being duplicitous in any of this. Why the hell would he want this dreck out in front of the public with his name on it? It isn’t going to help him in anyway.

    Besides, he NEVER even worked for HiFi records, he worked for Wilshire which sold all the material to HiFi, with no enumeration going to Adam. Everyone can “hate” on Adam all they want, but common sense tells me that he isn’t going to benefit from any of this so why the hell would he want to be involved. Geesh……

  107. Those yahoos from Hi-Fi are coming forward regretting that they didn’t sign Adam when they had the chance. Too bad for them. Adam is going to do so much better as a known artist releasing a debut cd on a huge record label, vs. being a relatively unknown on a small label. So ha ha Hi-Fi! Lucky for Adam and lucky for his fans.

    Tess, I agree with you. The notion that Adam would have any motive in promoting this situation is LUDICROUS.

  108. Off topic but it was brought up, Baldwin quit? When? Why? Go Sanjaya, and on topic, hope this works out ok for Adam, but he sure gets a lot of people talking, HEHE as he said he likes to raise peoples eyebrows.

  109. HAPPY BIRTHDAY KRIS ALLEN!!! I heard from the kris forum that his grandmother died today.I know she was sick because of one of his interviews..I hope that its not true that she already died because its his birthday :(

    Adam is talented enough to get pass this.If we give it a week we wont even remember that there was a Hi-fi or the song “want”We need to let that pass. Adam has a bright future.

  110. Regarding this Adam mess, I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

  111. Happy Birthday Kris…and sorry to hear about his grandmother passing away.

    I think no matter what Adam is going to be fine. He is already doing what he dreamed of and that is all that counts in the end.

  112. As smart as Adam is, he is probably like a lot of young singers and other artists who sign contracts and waivers either not understanding the implications of what they signed or knowing but not caring because they need the money – they got rent coming due etc and arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t thinking about the next level of their career. Then they become famous, as stated, opportunity has come aknocking, whether ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s the photographer with nude photos of the beauty pageant contestant or the singer or the actress, the ex boyfriend with the sex tape, the ex band mates who are hawking the old albums or demo tapes or the studio you did demos for 2 years ago.

    The thing is, the kind of work-for-hire contract he signed for this thing probably just said something like: You’ll get paid a one-time fee, and we own this thing and won’t pay you anything else. Those contracts are written to protect the people who hired you, not you — they want to pay you your fee and then they want you to go away and stay away and not ask for anything more.

    And when you’re not famous, it almost certainly wouldn’t occur to you that someday those people might think it was in their financial interest to release the material, and that, by that time, you could be upset to have it released by them! Plus, as a young unsigned session singer, you have, like, zero clout, so you probably couldn’t even get them to add this stuff to the contract if you *did* think of it. You couldn’t afford a good lawyer, and they don’t want anything in the contract to potentially interfere with their using the recording any way you want. Most likely, if you asked for more contract provisions to protect *you* in some way, they’d just go out and hire a different singer.

    About the only way you could realistically prevent something like this from ever happening is just to walk away from any work-for-hire work you might be asked to do as a young musician — and if you did that you wouldn’t get much experience or be able to pay your rent. That would be a very high price to pay for the off chance that, once you got to fame or the verge of it, something like this might complicate things a bit.

  113. BLOWN AWAY?

    What exactly does that mean? It simply means a strong reaction, however Hi-Fi failed to say if it was positive or negative, Adam could have just as easily been blown away by how incredibly BAD the material was.

    Why does everyone assume it was because the material was good? I say “Want” just wasn’t very good and Adam probably didn’t think so either and passed on what they were offering.

    So Hi-Fi took the low road and are now trying to squeeze some bucks out of 19E/RCA.

    Adam did nothing wrong and his career is gonna be just fine. Sometimes the best thing to do is do nothing and let it all blow over. Really, is anyone still talking about the ONTD Twitter thing after this? That’s already practically disappered, and next week something else is gonna overshawdow this.

    I just hope for once it wont be anything to do with Adam, maybe Danny will manage to offend someone else, or Sanjaya will win Celebrity, or Kris and Katy will save a drowning kid.

    GLASSES HALF FULL PEOPLE!!!!

  114. On second thought, I don’t really know enough about it to have an opinion.

  115. DA just sang at Del Mar. I heard the last few songs on a terrible cellcast, but they sounded great. He did two encores; Imagine, which he accompanied on piano, and a Thousand Miles. People said they spotted Jennette McCurdy in the audience. She seems to show up at a lot of his concerts. I think they are good friends.

  116. LK09, any Jeff sightings — or non-sightings — at Del Mar?

    I think Archie tweeted that it was a good show.

  117. ^^^
    So far only Lupe, Claudia, Jazzy, Amber and “the iCarly girls” have been spotted.

    And I guess the encore was kinda rushed. There was a question of a flight being cancelled so they needed to hightail it back to the airport to catch a flight back to Connecticut for tomorrow’s show with Demi.

  118. Thanks, JRB. Very nice to hear that his mom Lupe was there. Hope tomorrow’s show goes very well; he deserves to be at least the co-headliner on that tour. : )

  119. yeah jeff wasnt there.. DA caught his flight but looks like the band didnt yet.. lol

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