Crystal Bowersox Debut 2nd Week Sales Total Nears 96K

Second week sales numbers for the Crystal Bowersox debut album, Farmer’s Daughter are in, via tweets from producer David Bendeth.

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Total sales this week: 37, 710
Total sales overall 95, 566
Billboard Rock: #5
Billboard 200: #47

Considering the generally low expectations for Crystal’s numbers, this week’s totals aren’t too shabby.

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  1. That w/o a single or radio play is very good. It will be interesting to see what happens next month when they start working the album with radio and nashville.

  2. Very nice start. Has to be encouraging for all involved. Looking forward to seeing the her in the new year. Should be interesting.

  3. Bringing over from the last thread, Jive was really smart to push and win the timing battle for the holiday sales. Seems they do know what they are doing, sometimes ;)

  4. So Crystal got the Christmas bump both weeks for her album. Good for her. Somebody was a thinkin’ when they scheduled her release. But she is still lagging behind “traditional” idol sales when you consider she barely made the top 50 her second week of sales.

    For me it is still important to look at how an Artist is doing in relation to others around them who have music for sale. When a debut album, in its second week, is being bettered by a host of other albums it says that someone is selling to their built in fan base but still isn’t on the radar for the casual purchaser.

    Crystal has a long way to go to prove to me that she has selling and staying power in the industry.

  5. good for crystal :)

    i’m wonderin what worldwide sales are at those figures are just for the us right?

    anyhow gr8 job hope it keeps up

  6. That’s good for Crystal that the drop wasn’t very big :) .

    I think that´s a huge understatement. Only a 35% drop from a first week that had already exceeded 100% of what many of the old timers here had predicted. Many thought she´d sell less than Allison and most less than Lee, her first week. Now her second week is only shy of 1000 of Lee´s first week, and her 2 week total just shy of Allison´s 1 year total!

    Jive was really smart to push and win the timing battle for the holiday sales. Seems they do know what they are doing, sometimes ;)

    IMO, there is no way of knowing that to be true. A spring release could have included some co-writes with Linda Perry, Micheal Franti and Melissa. One of those could have been a good contender for a strong commercial single, or she could have written one herself. Something we´ll just never know. But what is, is, and that´s all that matter now. Btw, since she did release before xmas, November would have been even better. She only spent about 1 month recording, so it was doable.

  7. I thought Crystal would have a good week based on her Amazon ranking so I don’t think 100% of people were predicting gloom and doom. She’s def doing better than Lee and Allison. ;)
    However, her chart placement isn’t great. I’d say she has still has a shot to stay in the Top 50 as Xmas albums fade. But eventually radio and promo are going to have to do the job.

  8. Crystal has a long way to go to prove to me that she has selling and staying power in the industry.

    True, as is true to anyone only 2 weeks after an artist debut. I´ve always considered that her future fans would mostly come from outside of the AI bubble, and still do. Given her genre and probably a lack of radio play, I think it will be mostly by word of mouth that will snow ball over the next year of so.

  9. Grats to Crystal. Very nice showing.

    (Note: I originally read the headline as her total sales were this weeks sales)

  10. I thought Crystal would have a good week based on her Amazon ranking so I don’t think 100% of people were predicting gloom and doom.

    I was referring to predictions made 2 weeks before the release, not last week

  11. Awesome sales report Crystal, keep it up. David B is such a trooper Lol.

    But she is still lagging behind “traditional” idol sales when you consider she barely made the top 50 her second week of sales.

    Yes true and shes also lagging behind “traditional” idol promo, “traditional” idol single release and I guess pretty much everything else “traditional” idol so far we’ve seen. I also think the labels who decides whether to keep her or not are more concerned about the sales figure rather than a ranking. So in two weeks she has outsold Lee’s total sales of 6 weeks (assuming the same drop), thats pretty impressive I think. When it mattered most, her fans did turn out and bought her albums in plenty.

    Even though cynics here would disagree I think she has already tapped well into the casual buyers. Her first week of sales which is supposed to be all about her hardcore base she sold more than double her twitter followers. That tells me that it wasnt only her most informed hardcore base which were buying her album these two weeks, and Jive was doing shit even on other online platforms (website not done, fb page not updated regularly, etc).

  12. Crystal’s cd has been out for two weeks now. Of course she is selling to her fanbase. That goes without saying. I still think she is doing extremely well. It also sounds like Jive is giving thought how to promote her. That is good because Crystal is a talented lady.

  13. The whole Twitter thing is pretty meaningless to me. You can have 500K followers and sell 40K albums or have 4K followers and sell 40K albums. I think with some good promo Crystal could sell 250K. She’s already 1/3 of the way there.

  14. Yes true and shes also lagging behind “traditional” idol promo, “traditional” idol single release and I guess pretty much everything else “traditional” idol so far we’ve seen.

    Even though cynics here would disagree I think she has already tapped well into the casual buyers.

    Those two statements seem a little inconsistent. How can one tap into casual buyers when one hasn’t had promo or airplay?

    As for traditional idol single release, she seems to be tracking right on schedule if not before the traditional schedule. It was Jive that broke the tradition and started releasing debut singles well before the album was released. Traditionally, Idol singles are sent for adds after the album was released. Sometimes, months later.

    So why didn’t Jive follow its own Idol tradition? Quite simply because they had nothing to release months before Crystal’s Album was ready. She delivered later than the other Jive Idols. They might have been able to send something for adds before Christmas, but she decided to blow their carefully crafted marketing plan out of the water by forcing a switch of the single at the last moment. The new single did not fit at all into the marketing plan they had being aimed at totally different formats (at least with Lee’s last minute switch, both songs were in the same format). Crystal totally owns the late single situation. It may turn out to be her greatest success in the end.

    Crystal’s drop is promising. We’ll have to see how it compares to the uptick in the market in general and how it did compared to other albums released last week. But I was thinking it would have around a 40% drop, so 35% is again beating my expectations (and what we’ve seen in the past).

    I was at the local electronics retailer on Monday and the record aisle was decimated. That could be a good sign that album sales are higher than usual this week (post-Christmas may not be as bad). Could be localized, though.

  15. Good second week of sales re; her drop. Especially without any real radio play, or video play.

  16. fictitiousreality: So in two weeks she has outsold Lee’s total sales of 6 weeks (assuming the same drop), thats pretty impressive I think.

    I’m not a Lee fan but this turns out not to be true because Lee’s total sales are 98k. Brian Mansfield posted numbers at Idol Chatter. I still expect her total sales to pass his next week.

    Good 2nd week for Crystal. Now the tough part begins not only for her but everybody with albums out now.

    Outselling Lee is not the important bar for Crystal and so it won’t even matter if down the line he turns things around and outsells her. She’s just got to find ways of reaching her target audience. The real question is whether with all the options they’ve got they’ll be that impressed by her album.

  17. Crystal is doing really well. Only 2K behind Lee overall after 2 weeks. So, they’ll both start the new year pretty much even. Time will tell who’ll come out ahead. Crystal will need radio, and Lee will need SS to make a move up the HAC chart or switch singles.

  18. Seems like the time of the year we get the “my favorite is getting above and beyond the idol audience”, “he (she) is finding buyers outside the idol bubble”.

    Is it really horrible to sell to millions of people who watched you on tv for months? Do their taste stink because they watch American Idol?

    The idol audience is one that cares at least a little bit about music which is more than a lot of people do these days. There is a lot of older people who watch idol and still remember the hey days of folk/rock music.
    Idol watchers voted for Ruben, Clay, Bo, Taylor, Blake and Crystal, not really contestants who had the most current sounds so I think they do listen to music from different eras and can buy artists other than top 40 pop singers.

  19. Brian posted the numbers for this week.

    Nice to see Crystal with only a 35% drop and nearing 100,000 and nice to the the other Idols with increases this week, including Danny who had a 24% increase and hit the 200,000 mark.

  20. Is it really horrible to sell to millions of people who watched you on tv for months? Do their taste stink because they watch American Idol?

    The problem is that Idol fans are fickle. In two years, they’ll be mocking the people who are still fans of the very Idol they once had a shrine to.

    If you are incapable of generating fans outside of the Idolsphere, you are eventually doomed as your fans find new obsessions.

    Get new fans or perish.

  21. Less than 100k in a span of two weeks amidst the biggest shopping weeks of the year and nearly out of the top 50..well when that’s cheered on I say good for the season 10 winner and runner-up for having to live up to such a very low bar. Oh and of course the most important sales standard, she’s doing better than Lee! Taylor Hicks also sold well in December and had a less than 40% his 2nd week IIRC.

    Crystal has a LONG way to go before its declared she’s reached casual buyers. How many times has it been said she has an older fanbase? I don’t see a generally older fanbase on Twitter.

    It will be interesting to see what happens in January when even some of the years biggest sellers can plummet 70%.

  22. That’s great news for Crystal. I think she will end up being the top seller from Season 9. She will never be a mainstream pop artist like Kelly Clarkson or Jordin Sparks, but she’s unique enough to create her own niche. And whether you agree with her or not, she is good about creating buzz around her.

  23. For me it is still important to look at how an Artist is doing in relation to others around them who have music for sale. When a debut album, in its second week, is being bettered by a host of other albums it says that someone is selling to their built in fan base but still isn’t on the radar for the casual purchaser.

    This is true for all the idol alums. Very few alums, with the possible exception of Jordin and Archie, had enough airplay at the time that their albums were released for their numbers to be attributed to people outside of the bubble buying their albums. I don’t understand why you would compare Crystal’s numbers to those artists whose albums are selling based on the music, not because they just came off a reality show.

  24. The problem is that Idol fans are fickle.

    I agree that they are – it is kind of a fun game to see which obsessed fans will stay crazy passionate, and which ones move on:)

    However, I would tweak this because it isn’t just Idol fans that are fickle. By their very nature, casual fans are not highly invested in the artist either.

    That is why, I completely agree with this:

    Get new fans or perish.

    The artist constantly needs to get their music out there or they lose fans – no matter if they are from a reality show or not.

  25. And whether you agree with her or not, she is good about creating buzz around her.

    Once again, buzz within the Idol world….outside Idol, not so much. The only reason I know anything about the S9 peeps is coming here. The outside world isn’t talking about them like previous years. It’s going to be a tough climb for S9. They were a boring group, it’s to be expected.

  26. Is it really horrible to sell to millions of people who watched you on tv for months? Do their taste stink because they watch American Idol?

    Not horrible, but not a recipe for a long career, or at least a career with a major label. Not only are idol fans fickle, but they aren’t going to keep up with someone who isn’t releasing music that they don’t normally listen to, a good example of this is David Archuleta. Idol fans also have a tendency to buy mostly because they feel that their choice of who they voted for needs to be validated, so alums need to connect with people who like and will support their music.

  27. Trina:
    It will be interesting to see what happens in January when even some of the years biggest sellers can plummet 70%.

    Crystal may still have some residual sales from inside the “Idol Bubble” for her third week. Her decrease might not be so extreme, but Lee could be the one who drops into the sales abyss.

  28. I don’t understand why you would compare Crystal’s numbers to those artists whose albums are selling based on the music, not because they just came off a reality show.

    Crystal isn’t the only Artist whose standing on the sales ranking is scrutinized. This has and will be a measuring stick for time in memoriam. The buying public has only so much disposable income and it has always been a musical measuring stick to see how any album is selling in comparison to other albums…if this wasn’t interesting and important (to some) we wouldn’t have a billboard 200 or keep track of “best sellers” on I-tunes or Amazon.

    Even though someone is an “idol” fan it doesn’t neccessarily say they will spend their money on an idol album if other people with new albums are more interesting. To me it is a good sign if the Idol fan does buy the idolettes album pushing their ranking higher in the weekly charts. It means that they are holding on to the fan base that they won over during the season.

    ETA…The longer an album is out the more that it can be extrapolated that sales are from new interest and not from a core fan base. Works with both idols and non-idols. Over the past year many albums (Christina A. for example) sold reasonably well to her core fan base but then just dropped off the charts as no interest was shown from the general public.

    My hat is off to peeps like Daughtry and Carrie who are still selling (and selling reasonably well) over a year after the debut of their latest album. That says that they are still getting the casual fan to buy their material. And so, for Crystal fans, the biggest hope should be that she is still on the bb chart a year from now.

  29. I´ve always considered that her future fans would mostly come from outside of the AI bubble, and still do. Given her genre and probably a lack of radio play, I think it will be mostly by word of mouth that will snow ball over the next year of so.

    I don’t understand the rationale for the bolded statement. The AI viewing audience is older (>40-50-years-old, middle America) and would seem to be tailor made for an artist like Crystal, complete with nostalgia for socially-conscious 60’s singer/songwriter types of artists.

    Outselling Lee is not the important bar for Crystal and so it won’t even matter if down the line he turns things around and outsells her. She’s just got to find ways of reaching her target audience. The real question is whether with all the options they’ve got they’ll be that impressed by her album.

    Again, what is it about the AI viewing demographic that is not Crystal’s target audience?

    This is true for all the idol alums. Very few alums, with the possible exception of Jordin and Archie, had enough airplay at the time that their albums were released for their numbers to be attributed to people outside of the bubble buying their albums. I don’t understand why you would compare Crystal’s numbers to those artists whose albums are selling based on the music, not because they just came off a reality show.

    I agree. Crystal is most certainly still selling to fans from AI. It will be interesting to see how her sales are sustained if/when FD and/or HO gain traction on the radio.

  30. I don’t understand the rationale for the bolded statement. The AI viewing audience is older (>40-50-years-old, middle America) and would seem to be tailor made for an artist like Crystal, complete with nostalgia for socially-conscious 60’s singer/songwriter types of artists.

    I might me wrong, but I don´t think a large portion of AI viewers are people who are the indie type or AAA format listeners.

  31. I know that it was reported last week that Crystal had quite a high regional concentration of sales. I remember reading an article a couple of years ago that, up to Season 7, about 80-90% of all idol sales were from the southern US. That changed in S8 and the sales declined noticeably. Does anyone else remember this statistic, possibly Kirsten? Has the dramatic change in idol selling power come from the loss of sales in the south?

  32. It looks like both Crystal and Lee will end the holidays selling around 100K to Idol fans. That game is over, and it looks like a tie to me. And they both lost badly to previous seasons.So I don’t even know what the point is about arguing who did better.

    But, that’s the short game and (arguably) the long game is the more important one. They need to make headway in two very different worlds.

    I want to see what they do with Crystal from here. They have mixed critical reviews, a powerful video, and a lead song that is great IMO but not necessarily radio friendly. They also have a really good live performer. What strategy is best to turn all of that into a career? Hmmm

  33. Good for Crystal. Almost 96K for 2 weeks is pretty good, especially considering the low expectations most people had. But now comes the hard part, because tradition says that the #s drop off the cliff in January. It’ll be interesting to see if she can buck that trend at all.

  34. Crystal isn’t the only Artist whose standing on the sales ranking is scrutinized. This has and will be a measuring stick for time in memoriam. The buying public has only so much disposable income and it has always been a musical measuring stick to see how any album is selling in comparison to other albums

    This has nothing to do with jumping the gun, and saying that her numbers say something about how the public feels about her music, or how they feel about her music in comparison to the other music that is available. For the most part, most people who have purchased her album over the past two weeks know very little about her music, they purchased the album because they want to support their favorite from AI. If a comparison needs to be made, we could always state the obvious and say that her idol fanbase is a lot smaller than what we usually see from those coming off of AI.

  35. It looks like both Crystal and Lee will end the holidays selling around 100K to Idol fans. That game is over, and it looks like a tie to me. And they both lost badly to previous seasons.So I don’t even know what the point is about arguing who did better.

    Yes, it looks about a tie to me too, and frankly, nothing to brag about from Crystal’s camp.

    For the most part, most people who have purchased her album over the past two weeks know very little about her music, they purchased the album because they want to support their favorite from AI. If a comparison needs to be made, we could always state the obvious and say that her idol fanbase is a lot smaller than what we usually see from those coming off of AI.

    Totally agree with both points.

  36. Crystal will likely go past Lee this coming week, but neither one’s sales are anything to get that excited about. Because of her genre, though, I’d think Jive is happier than RCA right now, though

  37. Because of her genre, though, I’d think Jive is happier than RCA right now, though

    Now that might be true. 100K is a hell of a head start in folk.

    ETA…The longer an album is out the more that it can be extrapolated that sales are from new interest and not from a core fan base. Works with both idols and non-idols. Over the past year many albums (Christina A. for example) sold reasonably well to her core fan base but then just dropped off the charts as no interest was shown from the general public.

    My hat is off to peeps like Daughtry and Carrie who are still selling (and selling reasonably well) over a year after the debut of their latest album. That says that they are still getting the casual fan to buy their material. And so, for Crystal fans, the biggest hope should be that she is still on the bb chart a year from now.

    Absolutely agree.

  38. It looks like both Crystal and Lee will end the holidays selling around 100K to Idol fans. That game is over, and it looks like a tie to me. And they both lost badly to previous seasons.So I don’t even know what the point is about arguing who did better.

    IMO, there is nothing to argue about, and frankly, I haven´t seen any arguing. About the same total, one from 6 weeks of sales, the other from 2 weeks of sale. Or don´t you think having 3x the amount of time to sell, matters?
    Of course, what really matters, is how the fans like the music, numbers won´t change that. So obviously, I´d rather have lower sales and music I like. If Crystal sold a million, it wouldn´t matter the least to me, if I didn´t like the albums music

  39. Or don´t you think having 3x the amount of time to sell, matters?

    Honestly? Not really. The christmas sales total is the christmas sales total to me. It’s fun to analyze the whys and hows to a point but I don’t think it matters so much. Maybe if she sold 4X what Lee did but really, at the end its pretty much the same anyway. But that’s just me.

    I´d rather have lower sales and music I like. If Crystal sold a million, it wouldn´t matter the least to me, if I didn´t like the albums music

    I want her to do whatever is necessary to get another album that her label enthusiastically supports. I have no idea what that magic number is, but I hope she hits it.

  40. IMO, there is nothing to argue about, and frankly, I haven´t seen any arguing. About the same total, one from 6 weeks of sales, the other from 2 weeks of sale. Or don´t you think having 3x the amount of time to sell, matters?

    Some people are comparing Crystal’s two week total’s with Carrie’s and Daughty’s multi-year totals! Crazy hunh!

  41. Because of her genre, though, I’d think Jive is happier than RCA right now, though

    Genre considerations might matter in terms of expectations, but if Jive is happier, it’s because they most likely spent less to get the same result. Fewer cowriters to pay, a single producer who might have agreed to take more on points than an upfront fee, and,most significantly, a smaller advance. The video probably cost more, but it also seems like a legitimate sales tool.

    I want her to do whatever is necessary to get another album that her label enthusiastically supports. I have no idea what that magic number is, but I hope she hits it.

    Exactly. Whenever the inevitable question arises about why people worry about chart performance and expenses, because it should just be about making a good album, the answer is that performing albums (for whatever the label’s definition is of “performing”) give that artist a chance to make another one and to tour behind it. If someone likes an artist, wanting to have more music and to see them live is a reasonable desire, and financial returns on the first major label album are the most efficient way to get to that point. No matter what, CB will keep performing, but not everyone wants to, or even can afford, to travel to the Midwest to see her.

  42. And whether you agree with her or not, she is good about creating buzz around her.

    Once again, buzz within the Idol world….outside Idol, not so much. The only reason I know anything about the S9 peeps is coming here. The outside world isn’t talking about them like previous years. It’s going to be a tough climb for S9. They were a boring group, it’s to be expected.

    I’m not so sure that Crystal is only generating buzz within the Idol world. A couple months ago, I was puzzled to read a blogger say that Adam had a “media problem.” Puzzled because it seemed like he was everywhere. But then I stumbled on something called the Celebrity Heat Index, which tracks mainstream press coverage and I was shocked to see which idols were getting mainstream press and who wasn’t.

    So, looking at the top 500 celebrities (in 2010 to date), there are four Idols represented. In order of “heat” they are Carrie Underwood (19), Jennifer Hudson (92), Crystal Bowersox (217), and Fantasia Barrino (369). No male idols are anywhere in the top 500.

    I think there’s probably a good reason for this. According to their criteria:

    Each week, we note when a celeb appeared on a magazine cover or was among the top stories on a TV news report or a website. Points are awarded for each appearance based on the prominence of each outlet.

    Probably female Idols are more likely to make a cover on such magazines as Us or People, especially if they get engaged or married. Carrie and Crystal both got married. I think Jennifer got engaged? And Fantasia was at the center of a couple scandals.

    Anyway, my point is that this index is outside the Idol bubble. For the person looking at the covers in the shopping line, Crystal managed to garner a fair amount of attention — more than almost any other Idol.

  43. Honestly? Not really. The christmas sales total is the christmas sales total to me. It’s fun to analyze the whys and hows to a point but I don’t think it matters so much. Maybe if she sold 4X what Lee did but really, at the end its pretty much the same anyway. But that’s just me.

    You really believe Crystal´s numbers would be the same if her album would have been released 6 weeks ago, with black friday in there and all? Wonder why Jive initially wanted to release her album before black friday? tinawina, I usually agree on most things you say, and how you say it :) but imo, this is just not logical. I think an extra 4 weeks would produce another 40-50k in sales

  44. I doubt that Gina Orr would be tweeting that the numbers are looking good if Jive were making noises that it was tanking for them. For one thing, the fact that Crystal is whipping Lee’s uh, butt without much in the way of holiday promotion is an excellent sign. That video could attract a fair amount of attention. For another, Crystal is not a pop princess, and she’s never going to do Carrie or Kelly sales. She really is in another genre, and I’m certain that Jive is not unaware of that.

    One other good sign is that two strong reviews just came in – The New York Times and the San Diego Reader – both very legitimate sources. I hope Metacritic revises the original score.

  45. Honestly? Not really. The christmas sales total is the christmas sales total to me. It’s fun to analyze the whys and hows to a point but I don’t think it matters so much. Maybe if she sold 4X what Lee did but really, at the end its pretty much the same anyway. But that’s just me.

    Yes Lee’s Cd’s were on the shelf too for the same 2 weeks as Crystal, the difference is in the 4 weeks prior he didn’t sell enough to keep her from catching him in two weeks…bottom Line 6 weeks including the christmas bump Lee 98k crystal 95 K in the the christmas bump without the extra 4 weeks.

    Lee during Christmas 2 weeks 26k sales…Crystal 96k thats close 4X

  46. One other good sign is that two strong reviews just came in – The New York Times and the San Diego Reader – both very legitimate sources. I hope Metacritic revises the original score.

    I don´t think the San Diego Reader is in Metacritics portfolio. Unfortunately, the same can be said about other major medias which have given FD good reviews. But she´s stuck with 2 of her worst reviews there. But the NYT should be updated there soon, after that, she should be above D Cook and Daughty

  47. The important thing is her sales encourage Jive to devote some resources to her in 2011. She’s a great live performer so I hope they don’t wait until summer for her to tour. Get her out there quickly, get her on American Idol, and start working on a county/state fair and festival tour for summer. Tour, tour, tour. That’s her ticket to longevity in the likely absence of radio.

  48. She’s a great live performer so I hope they don’t wait until summer for her to tour.

    Since I don’t keep track of live touring is there much done in winter and spring…I wouldn’t think tour buses would want to chance hitting big snow storms as they traverse the country. I do know that fairs, festivals, etc. (the type of venues that would likely really support Crystal) tend to bunch together come July, August and September. Now there is always the dinner and lounge circut that Crystal could book (I remember Kris did some of those last year) but that is mostly weekend stuff.

    It will be interesting to see how she is marketed and kept in front of the public the next 6 months until the fair and festival circut begins.

  49. CD sales fell 19% in 2008 from 2007. CD sales dropped 18% in 2009 from 2008.

    Per the Chicago Tribune: We”ll have plenty more in upcoming days, but as a backdrop for the summit, here are a few tidbits of information shared by publicist Ariel Hyatt about U.S. album sales in 2008: More than 115,000 albums were released, but only 110 sold more than 250,000 copies, a mere 1,500 topped 10,000 sales, and fewer than 6,000 cracked the 1,000 barrier

    Per CNNMoney: Total revenue from U.S. music sales and licensing plunged to $6.3 billion in 2009, according to Forrester Research. In 1999, that revenue figure topped $14.6 billion.

    CD sales fell an average of 8% every year except one from the year 2000 through 2010.

    So, to those who think Crystal selling 100,000 CDs in 2 weeks, in this day and age, isn’t anything to be excited about, I beg to differ. Pay attention to the bolded portion of the first blockquote. Even though I personally loathe Lee, his CD sales along with Crystal’s, clearly demonstrate that AI still gives a pretty damn good boost to their alums when it comes to selling CDs. I think Crystal has a better shot at hitting 250,000 within 2011, which would put her in a fairly elite crowd. And this also tells me that any artist selling that amount today is probably going to get the chance to make another CD.

    I should add that the very depressing bolded statement was made regarding CD sales in 2008, the one year since 2000 where CD sales went up instead of down.

  50. I want her to do whatever is necessary to get another album that her label enthusiastically supports. I have no idea what that magic number is, but I hope she hits it.

    *****

  51. You really believe Crystal´s numbers would be the same if her album would have been released 6 weeks ago, with black friday in there and all? Wonder why Jive initially wanted to release her album before black friday? tinawina, I usually agree on most things you say, and how you say it :) but imo, this is just not logical. I think an extra 4 weeks would produce another 40-50k in sales

    I think I’m not making myself clear here. My apologies. LOL! I’m not saying her sales would have been more or less if she had released on a different date. I’m saying I don’t care. There is no going back and changing her release date now. It is what it is. She will exit the holiday season with a little over 100K probably. So will Lee. Big whoop. It doesn’t really matter to me how they got to their totals. And neither represents some fantastic number for someone who spent 5 months on the biggest TV show in the world.

    Now, the fact that Crystal is from a low selling genre and considered the less popular of the 2 going in to the holidays makes the news a bit better for her. Her album probably cost less to produce and her advance was smaller. And she did her 100K faster, so her album may have more legs. Possibly. So she may be on slightly stronger footing, and she could have some momentum. But not enough so to get overly excited about to me. She still has an uphill battle from here. I am rooting for her to make it but I just don’t think where she is right now is SO much better than Lee or SO great for an Idol that I should throw party for her, you know? Call me cautiously optimistic she can do enough to get to a second album. LOL

  52. Tess, there are concerts all the time from January-May. The summer is prime time for shows but that doesn’t mean Crystal has to wait to start doing some shows.

  53. Miss Blue, can you provide the link to that article? Thanks in advance.

  54. It’s not that others here don’t agree with you, Miss Blue, but this argument has been going within the idol world for 10 years. Even though CD sales have dropped drastically over 10 years there is still this “idol mentality” that feels like numbers from previous years should still be the measurement bar for current releases. Every idolette’s debut has been measured against those he/she is releasing with and every idol that has released before them. Welcome to the Bubble.

  55. For the person looking at the covers in the shopping line, Crystal managed to garner a fair amount of attention — more than almost any other Idol.

    What covers did Crystal appear on?

  56. Even though CD sales have dropped drastically over 10 years there is still this “idol mentality” that feels like numbers from previous years should still be the measurement bar for current releases. Every idolette’s debut has been measured against those he/she is releasing with and every idol that has released before them.

    Sort of. If you sell the equivalent of years before minus the market decline, and chart about the same as past idols in your debut week (and over christmas), generally you are okay. But selling drastically less gets you scrutiny. And it should IMO.

  57. I stumbled on something called the Celebrity Heat Index, which tracks mainstream press coverage and I was shocked to see which idols were getting mainstream press and who wasn’t.

    Looks like if you really want to make it high on that index? You need to try to or kill yourself.

  58. Now, the fact that Crystal is from a low selling genre and considered the less popular of the 2 going in to the holidays makes the news a bit better for her. Her album probably cost less to produce and her advance was smaller.

    Please will you expand on the reasoning behind this assumption or rationalization or whatever? I would like to understand the thinging behind this statement? Thanking you in advance for any help you can give me in this matter!

  59. If you sell the equivalent of years before minus the market decline, and chart about the same as past idols in your debut week (and over christmas), generally you are okay. But selling drastically less gets you scrutiny.

    I agree with this, but that’s not how it seems to work here. In this thread alone there are comments comparing Crystal’s sales to Clay and Rueben, for god’s sake. How long ago was that? Eight years? Nobody is having debut numbers like that. Even Carrie’s CD sales numbers have dropped with every CD, and she is a mega-star.

    The market is down. Down, down, down. Below ground. The bottom of the Grand Canyon down. CD sales have fallen 54.9% since 2000. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

    Changing the subject for a second – Someone posted about folk single sales. I’ve always purchased artists like Ray, Eva, Maria, A Fine Frenzy, etc, and we don’t typically buy singles. We buy albums. We buy because we like an artist, not because we like a song. That’s for the Lady GaGa lovers. I’ve bought zillions of singles, by people like Gaga, but when it comes to my core music I buy the CD or nothing.

    And FYI: I don’t consider any of those people “folk”.

  60. Please will you expand on the reasoning behind this assumption or rationalization or whatever? I would like to understand the thinging behind this statement? Thanking you in advance for any help you can give me in this matter!

    Yeah sure. People were assuming that based on her lower ITunes sales post-finale, the reports of a lesser crowd response on the tour, the lower number of twitter followers and Facebook friends leading up to selling season, etc. So the generally the thinking was that Lee would probably do better, or that’s they’d do about the same, so there was little indication her fanbase was significantly bigger than his.

  61. Again, in the idol bubble not so hot sales. Considering Crystal’s circumstances not so bad. A lot of people were saying before her album was released she would struggle to ever beat Allison’s sales, and now she will have them beat in her third week. Want to know a sad little fact? Once she beats Allison she will be the best selling female idol since Season 6.

  62. Please will you expand on the reasoning behind this assumption or rationalization or whatever?

    Could the less-popular part come from the fact she didn’t win AI? I thought she should have, but she didn’t. So I would assume that means Lee would be considered more popular as he got more votes.

  63. In this thread alone there are comments comparing Crystal’s sales to Clay and Rueben, for god’s sake.

    Where? Maybe one person did that? 2?

    I think when you look at the tone of most of the comments about Crystal, you end up with something like this:

    Again, in the idol bubble not so hot sales. Considering Crystal’s circumstances not so bad.

    And I think the evidence strongly supports that view.

    Not so great for an Idol, pretty good start for a folky type with no single. A reason to be cautiously optimistic about her ability to hit label expectations. I don’t think that’s bad chatter at all.

    Changing the subject for a second – Someone posted about folk single sales. I’ve always purchased artists like Ray, Eva, Maria, A Fine Frenzy, etc, and we don’t typically buy singles. We buy albums. We buy because we like an artist, not because we like a song.

    Thanks! That was me who asked that. So it looks like for Crystal, it may be that we are looking for album sales over time, not so much single sales. That is very helpful!

  64. So it looks like for Crystal, it may be that we are looking for album sales over time, not so much single sales.

    Which may be why she’s doing good on Amazon and not so good on itunes.

  65. These sales aren’t quite as low as I hoped, but it’s a good start. She’s still getting clobbered by a Scottish maid, a corpse, and a 10 year old. Yay!

  66. Thanks! That was me who asked that. So it looks like for Crystal, it may be that we are looking for album sales over time, not so much single sales. That is very helpful!

    You’re very welcome. I’ve always thought Crystal would be an album seller, not singles. I compare her very closely to Maria Muldaur, back in the day. And possibly Joni Mitchell. These gals are still selling and getting Grammy noms, all these decades later. Joni and Maria both had ONE top ten single in their long careers. And I believe both only had one platinum album, both in 73-74. And I wonder how many under-30s have even heard of Maria. But she’s made a damn good living for herself and I’m hoping for the same for Crystal.

    Some of us AI lovers have got to realize that Crystal is NEVER going to have Carrie, Kelly, or Adam numbers. Never. I don’t give a crap that she was on Idol. No artist in that niche has ever sold those kind of numbers, even when Maria and Joni were in their heydays. That kind of music is too small of a niche. But the niche is big enough to make a nice living if you put out quality music.

  67. These sales aren’t quite as low as I hoped

    Is this a typo? You hoped for low sales? Just so I have this clear, are you actually saying you hoped someone would fail?

    Did you pray for this or just wish on a star? Perhaps used a wishbone? Voodoo doll?

    Sorry for all these questions, I just never encountered, in almost 60 years of living, someone who actually wished someone else would fail at their chosen profession. I’m just not clear on how you go about doing that.

  68. Once she beats Allison she will be the best selling female idol since Season 6.

    Now that should be some grist for the mill.

    These sales aren’t quite as low as I hoped, but it’s a good start. She’s still getting clobbered by a Scottish maid, a corpse, and a 10 year old. Yay!

    Thanks for making yourself very clear….

  69. These sales aren’t quite as low as I hoped, but it’s a good start. She’s still getting clobbered by a Scottish maid, a corpse, and a 10 year old. Yay!

    I think it’s cool that Crystal creates such a hatred inside of you that you actively root for her to fail. At least she is making an impact on you lol!

  70. People were assuming that based on her lower ITunes sales post-finale, the reports of a lesser crowd response on the tour, the lower number of twitter followers and Facebook friends leading up to selling season, etc. So the generally the thinking was that Lee would probably do better,

    Thanks Tinawina! It was like a Sudoku puzzle, the numbers were right in front of me but I just couldn’t see them?

  71. For the person looking at the covers in the shopping line, Crystal managed to garner a fair amount of attention — more than almost any other Idol.

    What covers did Crystal appear on?

    I have no idea, but since that’s part of the criteria used for the index, I’m assuming she was on some — if only as a mention in the corner or something.

  72. These sales aren’t quite as low as I hoped, but it’s a good start. She’s still getting clobbered by a Scottish maid, a corpse, and a 10 year old. Yay!

    Okay, this is just too funny! “But so true!”

  73. These sales aren’t quite as low as I hoped, but it’s a good start. She’s still getting clobbered by a Scottish maid, a corpse, and a 10 year old. Yay!

    That puts her in good company with all the other acts, established and otherwise, who are also getting clobbered by that trio. LOL

  74. Did you pray for this or just wish on a star? Perhaps used a wishbone? Voodoo doll?

    LMAO!

  75. That kind of music is too small of a niche. But the niche is big enough to make a nice living if you put out quality music.

    Very true. I think she has a good shot at making a nice living for herself in her genre. I can see her hitting the sales norms within folk circles, especially in touring.

    That said, I don’t think sales to idol fans have anything to do with genre, or at least they haven’t in the past. Some pretty non-current Idols have done really well during christmas before. BUT, for a folk artist, where a gold record would be superstar status, selling 1/5th that amount before promo really even gets started has got to be nothing but good.

    Not saying she’ll hit gold of course, but if say 250K is a good showing in her genre then man, has she got a head start there. Good for her.

  76. First of all, let me tell you that I am a novice in any aspect: AI, music, this blogging, etc.
    I watched AI S9 for the first time. This is my experience so far:
    From day 1, from my “layman’ perspective I considered Crystal was “the front-runner”. Week after week, I was right: she was “saved’. Until…..May 26, that is the only time I was ‘completely’ wrong: she was “voted off”.
    When she released her debut album, again my “gut-feeling” was saying: she will sell “lots” of albums (this is a ‘relative’ & ‘subjective’ term). Yes, I was right again: she sold 58,000 on the first ‘debut’ week and now on the 2nd week: 96,000. To me, those numbers exceed my own definition “lots” (as a “layman”).

    “So far, the two biggest success stories from American Idol are power-pop belter Kelly Clarkson and country superstar Carrie Underwood. Well, after listening to Crystal Bowersox’s debut album, all I can say is move over ladies, the new kid is coming after you”
    Farmer’s Daughter by Crystal Bowersox
    By Alan Segal | Published Wednesday, Dec. 29, 2010

    http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/dec/29/emfarmers-daughterem-crystal-bowersox/

    When I read the above article, my “gut-feeling” is saying again: yes, Crystal is coming after them. I hope I am right again this time. I’ll be proud of being a ‘non-expert’ having right predictions.

  77. So, looking at the top 500 celebrities (in 2010 to date), there are four Idols represented. In order of “heat” they are Carrie Underwood (19), Jennifer Hudson (92), Crystal Bowersox (217), and Fantasia Barrino (369). No male idols are anywhere in the top 500.

    I would have to know more about the criteria for this, because there’s no way, imo, Crystal has had more media attention in 2010 than every male idol. The AMA attention alone for Adam, which was still strong at the start of 2010, would blow her out of the water.

  78. I agree tls….Adam was number 1 in the entertainment rags this year…Lee now is so boring they have nothing to write about with him.

  79. Silent screams…When Lees album came out Boyle and Evanco were clobbering him too. They were Christmas albums. they clobbered everybody.

  80. would have to know more about the criteria for this, because there’s no way, imo, Crystal has had more media attention in 2010 than every male idol. The AMA attention alone for Adam, which was still strong at the start of 2010, would blow her out of the water.

    I’m sorry but I would have to disagree here! Crystal got huge buzz from, “Wanting to quit AI” “Ryan’s betrayal” “Her Boy Friend leaving her” “Her Diabetes” “Her Guitars” “Her Clothes” “Season 9 Finale” and “Her Teeth” and the list goes on and on. These were just a few while she was on American Idol, since then it’s been a contant buzz on her album and she should have won and the infighting with her label, and that list goes on and on.

    Although, all the buzz she has gotten the whole year put together, pales in comparison to any of the top stories on Justin “Leave-it-to beeper” or Lady Gag Gag.

  81. I’m late to the round-up but Yeah for Crystal!
    And I just bought the CD off Amazon (using MJs link of course)
    I really love the Farmer’s Daughter Music Video I think it will be a boon to sales when it airs, wherever it airs; country, VH1, vevo…
    I have to say as compared to Crystal’s Idol, Melissa Etherridge, she’s doing pretty good:
    via Wikipedia: In its first week on the Billboard 200, Fearless Love debuted at No. 7, selling 46,000 copies (released April 27, 2010)

  82. I watched AI S9 for the first time. This is my experience so far:
    From day 1, from my “layman’ perspective I considered Crystal was “the front-runner”. Week after week, I was right: she was “saved’. Until…..May 26, that is the only time I was ‘completely’ wrong: she was “voted off”.

    When she released her debut album, again my “gut-feeling” was saying: she will sell “lots” of albums (this is a ‘relative’ & ‘subjective’ term). Yes, I was right again: she sold 58,000 on the first ‘debut’ week and now on the 2nd week: 96,000. To me, those numbers exceed my own definition “lots” (as a “layman”).

    Well, I had the same experience last year with Adam Lambert. I was gutted that he didn’t win, but I always knew he would sell more albums than anyone else from season 8.

    Season 9 was a total dud for me. Crystal had a few nice moments in Hollywood week and that was it. And I’m not surprised that sales from both Lee and Crystal are so low.
    And she sold a little less than 38,000 this week, 96,000 is week 1 and week 2 total.

  83. I’m sorry but I would have to disagree here! Crystal got huge buzz from, “Wanting to quit AI” “Ryan’s betrayal” “Her Boy Friend leaving her” “Her Diabetes” “Her Guitars” “Her Clothes” “Season 9 Finale” and “Her Teeth” and the list goes on and on. These were just a few while she was on American Idol, since then it’s been a contant buzz on her album and she should have won and the infighting with her label, and that list goes on and on.

    LMAO….Sorry, I have to stick to my original opinion…simulated blow jobs on National TV with a subsequent ban from ABC trump Crystal’s clothes and teeth. Pains me to admit it, but it just does. :)

    Snicker…this is a new one. My Idol’s worse than your Idol. LOL

  84. Mateja:
    12/29/2010 at 5:15 pm
    And she sold a little less than 38,000 this week, 96,000 is week 1 and week 2 total.

    Thanks for the corrected term: her total sales of week 1 and 2: 96,000 (not the 2nd week sale).
    IMO, with ‘rigorous promotional campaign’ starting Jan, she will sell 250k soon.
    Her promo music video of Farmer’s Daughter has almost 200,000 views already since possibly a week ago(?) up in YouTube.

  85. LMAO….Sorry, I have to stick to my original opinion…simulated blow jobs on National TV with a subsequent ban from ABC trump Crystal’s clothes and teeth. Pains me to admit it, but it just does.

    Snicker…this is a new one. My Idol’s worse than your Idol. LOL

    I was really shocked as well that Adam wasn’t even on the list. Here’s their criteria:

    The Index ranks celebrities according to the media exposure they’ve received. To do this, USA TODAY tracks their appearances in print, online and on TV by monitoring 12 entertainment news outlets. Each week, we note when a celeb appeared on a magazine cover or was among the top stories on a TV news report or a website. Points are awarded for each appearance based on the prominence of each outlet. Outlets tracked include TV’s Entertainment Tonight, websites USATODAY.com, PopSugar.com, tmz.com and x17online, and publications In Touch, Life & Style, National Enquirer, OK!, People, Star and Us Weekly.

    My thinking is that Adam didn’t get a lot of top stories in 2010. At least, not in those outlets. His biggest story might have been the paparazzo incident (or his performance in Malaysia). Otherwise, he did some red carpet walking, and half the year touring. That was mighty exciting to us, but maybe not so much outside the bubble — well, except for Asia, Oceania, and Europe.

  86. CryBoFanO:
    12/29/2010 at 4:38 pm
    First of all, let me tell you that I am a novice in any aspect: AI, music, this blogging, etc.

    http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/dec/29/emfarmers-daughterem-crystal-bowersox/

    When I read the above article, my “gut-feeling” is saying again: yes, Crystal is coming after them. I hope I am right again this time. I’ll be proud of being a ‘non-expert’ having right predictions.

    You and I pretty much agree. I don’t know if I’d say I’m looking for Crystal to end up in the company of Carrie and Kelly…that’s rarefied air, but I do honestly think Crystal is just one spark away from totally catching fire sales-wise. People talk about how she’s just not mainstream and her sort of music doesn’t fit on the radio, etc, but what they forget about is that in the end, it’s people who decide what they want to buy and hear on the radio. I’ve said for a while that I think Crystal will sell well – I’ve backed off of my initial ideas because I didn’t even realize how much album sales have dropped since I had last paid attention to them around 2000 or so. I honestly thought she’d go between double and triple platinum, but now given the state of the music industry, I’m thinking in the end somewhere between gold and platinum. I still wouldn’t rule out her going over that amount though if a song like FD or perhaps one of the others on the album becomes a radio hit. And who can really predict that for sure? But even without such a smash hit, I think her album will steadily chip away at it until it reaches 500K.

    The thought that Crystal will soon be the best selling female Idol since season 6 with these sorts of sales…well, that’s pretty depressing really. But as was said, that’s definitely some grist for the mill – people definitely will make something of those sales figures as well as what it says about Idol and female artists, period.

  87. The Index ranks celebrities according to the media exposure they’ve received. To do this, USA TODAY tracks their appearances…

    I can’t put much stock in the Heat Index when Betty White appeared at #329 (tell me who was hotter in 2010 then Betty White).

  88. LMAO….Sorry, I have to stick to my original opinion…simulated blow jobs on National TV with a subsequent ban from ABC trump Crystal’s clothes and teeth. Pains me to admit it, but it just does.

    I just can’t argue with that!

  89. The interesting question now is whether she forms a band or decides to “go it alone” with herself and bassist. To me, that will have the biggest impact on her longevity in the music industry. Say what you will about the number of albums she’s sold in relation to past idols… it’s pretty cool to go from busking for dollars outside the Subway to being signed to a major label and selling almost 100K albums in 2 weeks. To anyone whose had a life-long dream, it’s a GREAT story and I wish her the best… Rock On!

  90. I’m sorry but I would have to disagree here! Crystal got huge buzz

    Where?

  91. I doubt Kelly or Carrie are too worried about Crystal “coming after them”. Crystal is on target to sell between 200-250K albums, which wouldn’t be bad for a newcomer who is sort of folk-rock — but it would be way short of what Clarkson and Underwood sell.

  92. Hmmmm…. I’m not about to take a guess yet as to the number of albums she ends up selling. So far she’s exceeded most sales expectations (at least on this blog), and there is still A LOT to play out over the next few weeks. It will be fun to watch… Rock On!!

  93. I love Carrie Underwood, as an entertainer I would love to go see her show live, Kelly Clarkson the same, I thought the record she did on her own was very mediocre. Both are radio artists.Not sure of Kellys draw live headlining.

    Daughtry has gone from 5 million to 1.5 million and he is an amazing artist live, not sure the songs are incredible on this new one.
    CB just needs more writing experience, it will come, she can play and she can sing and people like her because she is real. The problem with AI is the comparing always within the show. That really sucks for the contestants because they are only judged on their star power and their vocal talent. Writing and true creativity is not a factor, more like a beauty pageant.
    Once Crystal taps into her real audience she is going to fly like a bird. 100 thousand in two weeks are not all AI fans,no way.

  94. The problem with AI is the comparing always within the show. That really sucks for the contestants because they are only judged on their star power and their vocal talent. Writing and true creativity is not a factor, more like a beauty pageant.

    It is what it is. Personally, I think that judging people on their vocal talent is nothing like a beauty pageant. I’ve also seen some singers be more creative in their interpretation of songs, in their performances than some are in writing cliched, by-the-numbers songs. YMMV. Either way, the contestants choose their poison. No one made them go on the show. :)

  95. Cindy I actually agree with you, not to mention if they made it for songwriters that performed hardly anyone would be on.

  96. songwriters that perform was pretty much what they got in season 9. The only difference was they were not performing the songs that they wrote. And most were just ok singers and not very good performers and we don’t know if they were good song-writers.

  97. The problem with AI is the comparing always within the show. That really sucks for the contestants because they are only judged on their star power and their vocal talent. Writing and true creativity is not a factor, more like a beauty pageant.

    It is what it is. Personally, I think that judging people on their vocal talent is nothing like a beauty pageant. I’ve also seen some singers be more creative in their interpretation of songs, in their performances than some are in writing cliched, by-the-numbers songs. YMMV. Either way, the contestants choose their poison. No one made them go on the show.

    I agree. I don’t understand regarding singer/songwriters as so superior to great singers (which involves a lot of creativity and more than just a decent voice). It also depends a lot on the quality of the songs that singers/songwriters compose.

    not to mention if they made it for songwriters that performed hardly anyone would be on.

    Nah. I think that they would get a lot of contestants. Just most of them would be both bad singers and composers.

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