Adam Lambert First Week, Possibly Above 200K

Tweeted by Billboard editor, Bill Werde @bwerde:

Susan Boyle’s album may beat this year’s top debut week, Eminem’s “Relapse, ” which scanned 608, 000.

Adam lambert also tracking well, maybe above 200k; same for Gaga’s new EP. Complete roundup of new hotness at http://www.billboard.biz

Not too shabby. Maybe there is no such thing as bad publicity…

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Meanwhile, Adam Lambert’s ‘For Your Entertainment’  is also outperforming sales expectations, despite’”or perhaps because of’”the risque performance he turned in at the American Music Awards on Sunday, Nov. 22. Label and distribution sources project that ‘For Your Entertainment’  could sell about 225, 000 units in its first week.

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395 Comments

  1. MJ, or someone – what is considered a good first week? An amazing first week? And so on. The numbers don’t mean much to me without some kind of comparison or scale or something. Thanks!

  2. Woooo Adam…. you go boy! An awesome album that deserves to be heard!

    I’m not surprised with how long he’s been charting so consistently on pre-sale charts and how he’s holding steady on iTunes.

  3. Wow, can’t believe this! After all the drama, fretting, AMAs, wow, just wow!

  4. IS HE SERIOUS? After Kris’s debut, plus all the drama, I was gonna be glad if he even broke 100K.

    OMG. Wow. My jaw hit the floor when I got your tweet text alert.

  5. I don’t like Adam, but that would be a great first week…and that’s not even including Black Friday sales. Well done.

  6. Well, that album is just awesome. I think anyone who hears it will want it.

  7. I don’t like Adam, but that would be a great first week’ ¦and that’s not even including Black Friday sales.

    This week does include Black Friday. It’s the day after Thanksgiving which is on Thursday.

    HDD has metrics to account for Black Friday.

  8. MJ, or someone ‘“ what is considered a good first week? An amazing first week? And so on. The numbers don’t mean much to me without some kind of comparison or scale or something. Thanks!

    200K+ would be a great first week for Adam, IMO. Looks like he’s off to a nice start.

    600K+ will be an amazing first week for SuBo

  9. Woo! Looks like my prediction of 180-200K was not OTT fangirling after all. Heh.

  10. OMG, I would cry if its anything near 200k. After all the shit Adam has dealt with, I will be satisfied with anything in the 100 mark.

  11. How is the album holding at iTunes? Are both versions still in the top 10 or has there been a change?

  12. I don’t like Adam, but that would be a great first week’ ¦and that’s not even including Black Friday sales. Well done.

    No, those projections include Black Friday. They are for the whole week.

    Those are great numbers for Adam. It should put him at Archie levels. Of course, Archie had a hit single, but Adam’s sales are during black friday so it evens out.

  13. Wow. I was preparing myself for much worse, between the AMAs and how Kris is doing so far. (Disclaimer: I wish Kris were selling better and hope he does in future/)

    For comparisons sake, David Cook sold approximately 280k last year. That was considered quite good in light of then market conditions. (The album went platinum in slightly under 4 months.) I think most people would say that 280k would be a lot for Adam to sell given the continuing deterioration in CD sales. BUT, let’s remember that people are talking about Susan Boyle selling 500k or more.

    Given everything that’s happened in the last few days, I’ll take 200k, thank you.

  14. There are now 3 albums on iTunes and they’re are currently at 5, 11, and 32 for overall.

    On pop chart, they’re 5, 7 and 14.

    How is the album holding at iTunes? Are both versions still in the top 10 or has there been a change?

  15. It’s only Tuesday night and how they heck do they know how Black Friday will turn out?

    pfffft. We’ll see about breaking 200k.

    Over 100k and I’ll be surprised and estatic.

  16. The album is really good. I have been playing it over and over since I got it. The dance songs are fun and the ballads are hauntingly beautiful. I just love the music.

  17. When will HDD post their prediction? And where’s the story on the Billboard link he gave? I don’t see it.

  18. That would be very respectable for Adam. I have always expected him to sell a lot of records, and this wouldn’t surprise me.

    This is terrific. The picture of Adam giving the finger to all his doubters and haters comes to mind.

    Uh … huh?

  19. HDD overestimates, do they not? Last year they did so with the Davids.

    And it’s only Tuesday night.

    pfffft. We’ll see about breaking 200k.

    Over 100k and I’ll be surprised and estatic.

    Smart strategy! Lower your expectations so you’ll always be pleasantly surprised. Besides, yeah, it could totally be an overestimate b/c Idol fans tend to buy early, I think.

    Honestly I’ll be THRILLED if Adam sells 200k, and very happy if he sells 150k. I didn’t think that was going to happen, but I guess we now have a chance! That’s great. It’s funny how the trajectory of my expectations went–at first I expected over 200k for both Kris and Adam, and maybe over 300k; then I realized that the two weren’t doing so well with singles and that sales were really down this year and adjusted down to 100k… I’d love to be able to adjust back up, ngl

    And whoa there Susan. I kind of want to see her beat Eminem.

  20. I sure hope not. I don’t think Adam should be rewarded for that performance on the AMAs, but as P.T. Barnum said….

  21. ChicagoLaw, Adam’s deluxe version is at #4 on iTunes and regular version is at #6 vs. yesterday’s #6 and #9. Way to go, Adam! I am so happy for you cuz it is indeed an awesome and great album that makes me listen to it ALL THE TIME! Your FYE video is just so incredible! I have watched so many times already. WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  22. HDD overestimates, do they not? Last year they did so with the Davids.

    I think the HDD estimates traditionally have been too high for artists that sell really well online, like David Cook, and underestimated for those who sell better in the stores, like Daughty and Carrie, so it could go either way.

    ETA I’m not sure I am explaining myself well, but I mean artists that have a higher than normal percentage sales online are the ones who are over estimated, so just selling well online can’t tell us either way.

  23. Wow! I would have never that it would even hit 200k. I’m hoping this is true. Even if it’s an overestimate and he comes in at the upper 100’s I’ll be more than happy. I’m hoping people give the album a chance even if they hated Sunday’s performance because it is a really good album.

  24. Holy Moly Susan! That’s incredible. I love a good story.

    200 for Adam is alright for a runner up. There’s been some good sales numbers this year, so there’s no reason not to think and hope they would do as good or better than the David’s.

    I guess I’d put him in Archie’s success category (if true). Adam doesn’t have a single and people are screaming he lost a lot of fans Sunday night.

    We’ll have to see. I think an Idol has to sell platinum singles or albums to keep their contract so we’ll have to see what the new year brings.

  25. I called it at 180-200K and with all the hoopla over the AMA plus the discount on Amazon, I think 200K is right on the money.

    Don’t be too thrilled if Adam sells $200k, that would be pitiful. Because 200K albums is more like $2 million. Cook sold 280K and Archie sold 160K off a tour that equals S8 in success. Considering Kris is at 85K, there are a hell of alot of albums from S8 still to be purchased.

  26. Sassycatz, maybe he is being rewarded for putting out a great album.

  27. Not too shabby. Maybe there is no such thing as bad publicity’ ¦

    Love this — You may be on to something here, MJ! ;)

  28. That’s great news! I was worried after the AMA performance that his sales would suffer. The album is amazing, I wasn’t too sure about it after hearing the 30 sec snippets, but they don’t do the song’s justice. I love just about every song, Fever is my favorite! Hope his music is the focus now and everyone forget’s about the AMA’s.

  29. He could have done so much better, but that performance ruined everything, even radio play, now it seems like radios refuse to play his songs. FYE did absolutely nothing on radio, we’ll have to wait and see if WWFM does better. He’s SO talented, wth was he thinking when he decided to do that?? I’m so mad at him right now. I still wish him the best, I really do, he’s amazingly talented.

  30. Sassycatz
    11/24/2009 at 10:26 pm

    I sure hope not. I don’t think Adam should be rewarded for that performance on the AMAs, but as P.T. Barnum said’ ¦.

    I think he is being rewarded for a great album. He has already been “punished” by being canceled on GMA. Two separate issues

  31. Sassycatz, maybe he is being rewarded for putting out a great album.

    That would be the case, if it were great album AND if the music had actually been promoted over all these weeks … which it wasn’t. It was all about Adam’s magical mystery sexual identity tour.

  32. I’m not counting my chickens yet, so I’ll believe 200,000 when there’s an official report.

    Regardless, the album is fantastic and, in my opinion, there are 4 or 5 songs that could chart really well. Sleepwalker would be my next pick for a single and I’m one of the few people who had WWFM as a top pick in the beginning … everyone else said it was too Pink. I firmly believe in the long-term success of this album so a great first week sales is just the cherry on top.

  33. Everyone knows that digital download sales suck with all the stealing so I think that number is very impressive. Congrats Adam YOU DESERVE IT for putting out such a great album. One of the best of 2009.

  34. 200K?

    After all this:

    Cover of Rolling Stone
    OUT and Details covers and spreads
    Theme song for 2012
    Media backing & hype
    Performing at the AMAs!

    It makes you wonder what the prediction would be if his PR was like Archie’s…

  35. I sure hope not. I don’t think Adam should be rewarded for that performance on the AMAs

    Are you kidding? Adam needed a standout, buzz-worthy, edgy, headlines making performance from the AMAs. He gave one. Playing it safe with merely a pretty vocal would have been a PR disaster for Adam. He needed to live up to the phenomenal hype that went beyond his pretty voice, and he did it. The buzz the last two days has been unreal. His name is on everyone’s lips. People who never watched idol, don’t follow music, who don’t even watch TV. This story is getting coverage all over the world. The “performance” doesn’t even matter at this point. He’s becoming a household name, disassociating himself from Idol (yay!), and he’s earning it his way.

    If you didn’t like Adam’s performance on the AMAs, I wouldn’t buy a concert ticket in the future. Buy a CD, listen to his pretty voice in the car, and just pretend that he is this safe, neutered person that you fell in love with on Idol. There will be more of these types of performances in the future. I guarantee it. That is WHO Adam is just as much as his amazing voice.

    That performance didn’t ruin everything. It kick-started everything. Just wait and see.

  36. Don’t forget Amazon had it on sale for $3. That will help first week sales as well.

    I think Adam would have a good week of sales purely from the Idol fanbase. He had excellent pre sales. But all the hype is also helping.

  37. Huh, well, I admit, I didn’t expect his sales prediction to be so high.

    Congratulations to him!

  38. Damn lambert fans, stop breaking MJs, I want SYTYCD videos!!!! J/K…..kinda

    I am so glad the numbers are finally out. It just feels like there has been such a tension about the numbers and now Kris and Adam are both out, and we can move on to season 9. There was even the first commercial tonight to suck us all back in lol.

  39. Don’t forget Amazon had it on sale for $3. That will help first week sales as well.

    I actually heard, with some sort of special deal Amazon was offering, that you could get it for 99 cents. Some artists are selling for 16 or 18.98 against 99 cents. They are practically paying you to take it.

  40. . Besides, yeah, it could totally be an overestimate b/c Idol fans tend to buy early, I think.

    Exactly. Then they’ll fall off a cliff in a few days and I just don’t see Adam have the support and legs to do well on the ground right now.

    I think the HDD estimates traditionally have been too high for artists that sell really well online, like David Cook, and underestimated for those who sell better in the stores, like Daughty and Carrie, so it could go either way.

    ETA I’m not sure I am explaining myself well, but I mean artists that have a higher than normal percentage sales online are the ones who are over estimated, so just selling well online can’t tell us either way.

    I got what you’re saying, because I think we’re agreeing here. Which is why I’m all ‘it’s only TUESDAY night, so having an idea past the initial idol rush, not seeing it. And especially not seeing how they’re getting a really good judge of the store sales, especially for Black Friday. SuBo’s CD makes total sense to buy for the holidays, Adam’s and now? yeah not seeing that. So I would not be at all surprised if his sales over Black Friday aren’t that great/to expected levels.

    Yeah, not believing it. My estimate remains what it was, especially with Adam’s performance on Sunday losing him some real potential sales, imho.

  41. Was Sleepwalker produced/written by the New Republic guy? I love it and it sounds like it to me.

  42. Regardless, the album is fantastic and, in my opinion, there are 4 or 5 songs that could chart really well. Sleepwalker would be my next pick for a single and I’m one of the few people who had WWFM as a top pick in the beginning ‘ ¦ everyone else said it was too Pink. I firmly believe in the long-term success of this album so a great first week sales is just the cherry on top.

    Me too! I remember asking if I was the only one who liked WWFM :)
    I was wrong about Sleepwalker, however. It was one of my least favorite snippets and didn’t see what everyone else saw. As soon as I heard the whole things I fell in LOVE :) And I still adore Aftermath even though it’s getting panned ;)

  43. GeminiDolly
    11/24/2009 at 10:25 pm

    Now imagine if Adam had a song on radio?? Cmon RCA, make it happen.

    oh theyre trying lol. they worked overtime to have the top two stations in the country add WWFM.

    200K is a fantastic number. way above my orig. prediction of 150K, though i did fail to factor in black friday. congrats adam!

  44. Don’t forget Amazon had it on sale for $3. That will help first week sales as well.

    I thought it was $4?

    Either way, in this market, it’s a good figure. I don’t see the point of comparing season to season. I also don’t care how much they sell if I get music I enjoy. So far, I like all of Kradison. I didn’t care for season 7 at all, in terms of the two Davids. They bored ME to tears

    Of course, that’s my taste. Sales don’t validate taste.

    Now, I can’t wait for Jason Castro. LOL.

  45. To be honest if Adam is actually underperforming for someone coming off Idol with that much buzz and label support. Once you eliminate the underperforming winners like Jordin and Kris, you expect 250K for someone coming off the show with major buzz.

    Actually if you used the coupon Amazon provided, you could buy the album for $1. I guess it was $3.99 if you didn’t have the coupon. Idol albums are usually not on sale the first week because the crazed fans are happy to pay full price. But a sale is a sale.

    The real reality star next week will be Susan Boyle.Imagine how much she’d be selling if she’d included a blow job in her act. (Sorry, I couldn’t resist)

  46. YAY! those are awesome numbers! so many artists are hitting around the 100,000 mark only. but this is fantastic! i hope it happens!

  47. To be honest if Adam is actually underperforming for someone coming off Idol with that much buzz and label support.

    Well, according to that guy’s tweet, he’s on par with Gaga this week, who’s one of the most buzzed about people in the universe right now. I wonder why he didn’t mention how Rihanna’s doing?

  48. Sassycatz
    11/24/2009 at 10:35 pm

    Sassycatz, maybe he is being rewarded for putting out a great album.

    That would be the case, if it were great album AND if the music had actually been promoted over all these weeks ‘ ¦ which it wasn’t. It was all about Adam’s magical mystery sexual identity tour.

    LOL… well that is your opinion and I am not going to debate it…just say that I feel it is a Fantastic Album and it seems that a lot of people must agree with me…(in fairness I am sure that a lot of people agree with you too)

  49. Very nice for Adam if that pans out – seems being everywhere with hype does help even if you have a bad performance! I still think Andrea Bocelli will be #2 but those numbers will be good enough for a top 5 debut for Adam. WOW @ Susan Boyle too. I think it’d be fun if she had the year’s biggest debut.

  50. primetimemom
    11/24/2009 at 10:50 pm

    Was Sleepwalker produced/written by the New Republic guy? I love it and it sounds like it to me.

    It’s the OneRepublic guy, yes.

  51. For Gaga, aything below 300,000 should be considered a failure. Wouldn’t it be funny if he beat Gaga and Rhianna

  52. of course if anyone thinks Adam doesn’t “deserve ” it ,okay.but please explain to me how “creepy cat lady” does?

    sorry,meant to add this to my previous post…

  53. That would be the case, if it were great album AND if the music had actually been promoted over all these weeks ‘ ¦ which it wasn’t. It was all about Adam’s magical mystery sexual identity tour.

    I’m not sure I understand this comment? Adam hasn’t been seen anywhere until Sunday night and you say it’s been “all these weeks”?

    After all this:

    Cover of Rolling Stone
    OUT and Details covers and spreads
    Theme song for 2012
    Media backing & hype
    Performing at the AMAs!

    Rolling Stone was back in JUNE. Do you really think that would have a positive impact on a CD released almost 5 months later?

    Out and Details weren’t about the album, they weren’t about Adam’s role as a new celebrity. I don’t recall much album talk in either magazine.

    Theme for 2012 says it all. That had nothing to do with the album

    Media backing & Hype is what is earned when you’re an interesting and compelling entertainer. They don’t generally fawn over just anyone.

    AMAs? Yeah, I don’t thik that went as planned and in fact may have cost him more sales than it gained him.

  54. 200K is a really good number in this economy if it sticks. I was expecting more like 150K.

    Of course, he did lose me as a possible buyer. I was going to buy his album even though it’s not my style because I like(d) his personality and wanted to support him but I’m really being turned off by all the drama. We’ll see in a week or two if I calm down, but I truly wonder if all this brouhaha is really helping.

  55. jpfan
    11/24/2009 at 10:29 pm
    I called it at 180-200K and with all the hoopla over the AMA plus the discount on Amazon, I think 200K is right on the money.

    Don’t be too thrilled if Adam sells $200k, that would be pitiful. Because 200K albums is more like $2 million. Cook sold 280K and Archie sold 160K off a tour that equals S8 in success. Considering Kris is at 85K, there are a hell of alot of albums from S8 still to be purchased.

    The Billboard forecast is units not dollars.

    I think Adam will have a strong first week based on data we have but 200,000 is a real stretch.

    Also, the Amazon $3.99 MP3 do not count as Billboard sales — mus be at least 50% of MSRP to count. They are doing that to promo Amazon MP3 [3% of total music sales and about 1% of album sales}.

    The only thing the Amazon $3.99 offer does is reduce Adam’s first week sales.

    Link to SoundScan procedures: http://ca.nielsen.com/etc/content/nielsen_dotcom/en_ca/home/industries/entertainment_practice.mbt.77438.RelatedLinks.0542.MediaPath.pdf

    Also, I posted a prediction of 120K to 150K UNITS for the first week here a few days ago and was derided for being too high. Now everyone expects it to be close to 200K. LOL!!!

  56. That would be the case, if it were great album

    It is. That might not be your opinion, but it’s the opinion of a large number of music reviewers. Nevertheless, first week sales are usually credited to the fans. As others have said, he’ll need a hit or two or three to give the album legs. So, we shall see.

    As for SuBo – WOW!! I keep claiming not to be a fan, but I’ve got to give it to her. She’s really captured people’s imaginations. And she has a lovely voice. I’m happy for her.

    Don’t be too thrilled if Adam sells $200k, that would be pitiful.

    LOL! Okeeey dokeeeey, JPFan.

  57. Don’t forget Amazon had it on sale for $3. That will help first week sales as well.

    Those sales will probably not count for Adam’s totals because the price is too low, there is a limit for it to be considered.

  58. To be honest if Adam is actually underperforming for someone coming off Idol with that much buzz and label support.

    I think you have it backwards. The public has a short attention span and stuff like the Rolling Stone cover was back in June. That’s not going to help sell albums in November.

    I think Adam hasn’t gotten the radio promotion that Kris got and as a result he has no hit single to his name. To sell around 200k without a hit single driving the album or an established track record is pretty good, to me. Now if RCA can find a hit off this album they’d have a chance to sustain sales and then they’d be in business.

  59. Yeah! Go Adam!! You get ’em baby! So happy. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that it does go above 200K.

  60. The real reality star next week will be Susan Boyle. And she did it mostly on a great back story.

    UGGHH, if Susan does actually sell 600,000, there are going to be annoying articles about how she sold double the combined results of the winner and runner up of AI and does that mean AI is dying. I am not a big fan of Adam or Kris, but nobody messes with my AI lol

  61. This better be true…his album deserves sales…
    and yeah I def think shock publicity stunts garner a lot of attention and it was a success for Adam in terms of publicity and controversy and outdoing the other performers…
    I think when more ppl are exposed to him in a different way he could sell even more…
    I wonder what Ellen will ask/say?

  62. Actually if you used the coupon Amazon provided, you could buy the album for $1. I guess it was $3.99 if you didn’t have the coupon. Idol albums are usually not on sale the first week because the crazed fans are happy to pay full price. But a sale is a sale.

    The real reality star next week will be Susan Boyle. And she did it mostly on a great back story. Imagine how much she’d be selling if she’d included a blow job in her act. (Sorry, I couldn’t resist)

    Touche… but wonder how much she would have sold putting out her own music….I guess we both will never know!!!

    Oh and I can’t help myself either the gentlemen from Billboard does say Adam could be over 200K which may mean 250K….. ;-)

  63. Gaga is puting out a hybrid album that is sort of a reissue of her current album plus new songs. Adam will def be in the top 5. I could see his album as the #3 debut album next week. (I still think Gaga may outsell him). The wild cards are the Christmas albums.

    Rihanna always has trouble selling albums without huge Top 40 hits.
    And Russian Roulette is not a big hit. She could have a very meh opening week.

  64. so that’s how you get big numbers. well, all righty then. now I’ll believe that whole thing including the GMA cancellation was planned. Just get publicity, doesn’t matter what kind.

  65. Actually if you used the coupon Amazon provided, you could buy the album for $1. I guess it was $3.99 if you didn’t have the coupon. Idol albums are usually not on sale the first week because the crazed fans are happy to pay full price. But a sale is a sale.

    This promo on Amazon isn’t uncommon. In fact Rihanna’s CD is also on sale for the same deal and U2 did it back in May. Idol CDs, like all new releases, are put on sale the first week.

  66. Great… I love the cd.. I could do without FYE… WWFM.. and a couple others, but “Soaked” and “Winners” are unreal..

    Man.. if he would’ve done “Soaked” on the AMA’s he’d sell twice that.
    I hate singles.

    I’m still disappointed in the way he acted, but he’s a great artist and I hope to have many cd’s from him.

  67. of course if anyone thinks Adam doesn’t ‘deserve ‘  it ,okay.but please explain to me how ‘creepy cat lady’  does?

    I think ‘hair angel’ is a prettier nickname.

  68. Oh gosh, haven’t we gone over the whole Amazon thing already? I won’t repost my spiel but promotional deals at super low prices for Amazon digital albums is standard. It’s to draw publicity to sell the hard copies, and since the demographic that listens to digital music usually doesn’t pay at all, it’s hard to get them to pay anything unless it’s cutthroat.

    The majority of his album sales, and Rihanna’s, will be from hard copy CDs anyway. But as for Amazon, I think people are approaching these digital prices from the point of view of someone accustomed to getting CDs and actually paying for them.

    For Gaga, aything below 300,000 should be considered a failure. Wouldn’t it be funny if he beat Gaga and Rhianna

    Lol except I doubt even 1/10 of the people who have Gaga music ever pays for it. 300k is a super high number for someone who sells dance pop music, that’s just how the market is. I don’t think Adam will beat Gaga or Rihanna, but perhaps he can come close.

  69. To be honest if Adam is actually underperforming for someone coming off Idol with that much buzz and label support. Once you eliminate the underperforming winners like Jordin and Kris, you expect 250K for someone coming off the show with major buzz.

    I dont think so. This years season had fewer viewers than before, which means less exposure and the economy is down.
    General sales from other more established acts are lower than pat years.

  70. IMO Kris had more real promotion and radio is playing him. CNN said people plan to spend more money this year than they did last year, and that most people were better off economically.

    Both Adam and Kris should have sold close to 300K to be considered real success. I think people will quickly move on to the next season and we’ll see what happens. I think Adam should have done Soaked and Fever. RCA messed up here I think. And it should have been put out a month ago.

    I’m hoping for a person who is a mix of Adam and Kris!! Kris charm and Adam’s vocal ability.

  71. I’m not banking this yet. It’s early. But I like what I’m hearing so far. :-)

    Amazon does this ALL THE TIME, and this year, it’s mega daily deals have included brand new releases during release week. Bon Jovi last week, Rihanna and Adam this week, heck, even the BEP’s new album had that same $3.99 price tag at release and folks were dying to hear what they put together upon reunion. (That doesn’t even scratch the surface, it’s just what I recall. And, more times than not, the price is 1.99 or 2.99.)

    Now, Amazon has all it’s Black Friday sales, which include 500 albums all priced at $5. I encourage you to click on MJs links here and take a gaze, particularly if there’s anything you’ve been thinking of buying. ALL the big selling recent releases seem to be over there on sale. Just look at the 10 bestsellers, which now include Kelly Clarkson, Weezer, Regina Spektor, the BEPs (again), Jay-Z, Dashboard Confessional, etc, and of course, Adam and Rihanna.

    BTW, I seem to recall Archie getting one of these deals last year during release week. Can’t say I recall the price, but $4.99 comes to mind for some reason.

  72. I’m just bummed that I accidentally initially charged my amazon mp3 download with the promocode to a card that I no longer have…so it didn’t go through…then I couldn’t use the promo again once I entered the right card…oh well…

    Anyway, it was worth it! What an album, wow!

  73. Actually if you used the coupon Amazon provided, you could buy the album for $1. I guess it was $3.99 if you didn’t have the coupon. Idol albums are usually not on sale the first week because the crazed fans are happy to pay full price. But a sale is a sale.

    Ahh! But as the wise Q3 pointed out, it’s not really a sale in the sense that it will be included in the Billboard numbers. So, there you go. You’ll have to remove that piece of bittercakes from you picnic basket. Because, in reality, the Amazon $3.99 sale has a negative impact on Adam’s total. So, I guess if we fans wanted to whine, we could complain that Adam’s totals will be less than what he actually sold. But who cares?

  74. 200K is definitely good. For awhile there I thought he could top 300K. I do wonder how much longevity his album will have.

  75. Maybe there is no such thing as bad publicity

    Yep–as long as it’s not because of a violent felony (e.g., Chris Brown). Adam is brilliant. And all these interviews he’s doing, which I realize were scheduled before the AMAs, just end up adding fuel to the fire. I just saw a 10-sec promo for Letterman tonight with an Adam Lambert joke in it. Adam is everywhere because of that AMA performance and the aftermath.

    Kelly Clarkson had a far better performance, but who is everyone talking about? (Adam is so smart.)

  76. Because, in reality, the Amazon $3.99 sale has a negative impact on Adam’s total.

    Oooh, I didn’t know that. Aww. But that’s fair.

  77. Now, Amazon has all it’s Black Friday sales, which include 500 albums all priced at $5. I encourage you to click on MJs links here and take a gaze, particularly if there’s anything you’ve been thinking of buying. ALL the big selling recent releases seem to be over there on sale. Just look at the 10 bestsellers, which now include Kelly Clarkson, Weezer, Regina Spektor, the BEPs (again), Jay-Z, Dashboard Confessional, etc, and of course, Adam and Rihanna.

    Wow, cool, I didn’t know that, thanks!

  78. I think everybody needs to realize these are ESTIMATES. Actual sales could be less. Happens all the time.

  79. The real reality star next week will be Susan Boyle.Imagine how much she’d be selling if she’d included a blow job in her act. (Sorry, I couldn’t resist)

    a blow job in a performance may increase sales for a lot of artists but personally seeing Subo doing that would probably have the complete opposite effect for me .. it would probably put me off turning the TV on ever again just incase I stumbled on a repeat performance … lol

    although it would stop her singing for a few minutes . if she can sing and do that at the same time then hats off to her .. as that’s talent

  80. I’m certainly not going to wish the guy a failure but c’mon, it’s only Tuesday night. I’ll believe this figure when the actual totals come in.

    OTOH, this is also an excellent point:

    200K?

    After all this:

    Cover of Rolling Stone
    OUT and Details covers and spreads
    Theme song for 2012
    Media backing & hype
    Performing at the AMAs!

    It makes you wonder what the prediction would be if his PR was like Archie’s’ ¦

  81. The real reality star next week will be Susan Boyle. And she did it mostly on a great back story. Imagine how much she’d be selling if she’d included a blow job in her act. (Sorry, I couldn’t resist)

    LOL!! Oh, poor SuBo. I’m not sure she could handle that. And thinking about it ….. I think I need a glass of wine.

  82. Also, the Amazon $3.99 MP3 do not count as Billboard sales ‘” mus be at least 50% of MSRP to count. They are doing that to promo Amazon MP3 [3% of total music sales and about 1% of album sales}.

    The only thing the Amazon $3.99 offer does is reduce Adam’s first week sales.

    Link to SoundScan procedures: http://ca.nielsen.com/etc/content/nielsen_dotcom/en_ca/home/industries/entertainment_practice.mbt.77438.RelatedLinks.0542.MediaPath.pdf

    Also, I posted a prediction of 120K to 150K UNITS for the first week here a few days ago and was derided for being too high. Now everyone expects it to be close to 200K. LOL!!!

    Really? Thanks for the info Q3.

    I’ll be thrilled if the first week is 100K. He has no hit single yet. And hit single the the key to sell album for new artist. At least that’s what I learned from this blog.

  83. Cook sold 280K and Archie sold 160K

    david a’s debut album opened w/183k…. ”crush debuted number 2 on the billboard 200 w/166k… just for the record :D

  84. #
    ksgirlfordc
    11/24/2009 at 11:11 pm

    I think everybody needs to realize these are ESTIMATES. Actual sales could be less. Happens all the time.
    #

    Well last week for Kris they estimated first 75-80K then revamped it to 85-90 and he actually sold 85K And based on their other predictions the past two weeks they are pretty close with few exceptions.

    Here is the link to HDD you will see the actual sales for this week and the percentage difference from their original estimates

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

  85. Idol CDs, like all new releases, are put on sale the first week.

    I honestly don’t remember an Idol CD being put on sale the first week for $3.99. I’m not saying it hasn’t happened. It’s just the nature of the show that the hard core fans will usually buy the album at any price (often multiple copies). So why put it on sale the first week. But selling albums is a good thing.

    I know Susan Boyle is not on sale Is Gaga’s album?

    “What about the all important ‘hit single,’  ‘radio spins,’  and ‘station adds’  that you and everyone have been yammering about?”

    You do realize that in about a week, a whole new group of albums will be released and RCA can’t keep this level of promo going. And while sales may be great until Xmas, they’ll fall off a cliff right after. At that point, radio will matter a lot. That’s not yammering.

  86. I think everybody needs to realize these are ESTIMATES. Actual sales could be less. Happens all the time.

    Exactly. It’s a GUESS on Tuesday night, of all things.

    Oy vey.

    So if Adam doesn’t come in at 200K, than of course he’ll have failed to live up to his earlier (in the week) hype and possibility.

    And this when Kris, who won! and didn’t just piss off 3/4 of the country with a really bad/nasty AMA performance and whinging afterwards, just posted 85k for his opening week.

    piffle I say to a 200k guesstimate on a Tuesday night.

  87. I think everybody needs to realize these are ESTIMATES. Actual sales could be less. Happens all the time.

    We do realize it, as several posts have pointed out. On the other hand, they’re ESTIMATES, so actual sales could be higher, too, no? But I think we all prefer to keep our expectations lower, not higher. More fun to have them surpassed than not met.

  88. Question… are they counting the amazon and international sales, or just itunes and domestic?

  89. Also, I posted a prediction of 120K to 150K UNITS for the first week here a few days ago and was derided for being too high. Now everyone expects it to be close to 200K. LOL!!!

    Do you have information that the billboard guy doesn’t have to say its impossible for sales to be over 200,000? We are just going off of the tweet. Its not like we came up 200,000 off the top of our heads. At least most of us didn’t.

  90. Well last week for Kris they estimated first 75-80K then revamped it to 85-90 and he actually sold 85K And based on their other predictions the past two weeks they are pretty close with few exceptions.

    And last year both David Cook and David Archuleta were over estimated.

  91. Question’ ¦ are they counting the amazon and international sales, or just itunes and domestic?

    Just the U.S. sales, and only counting sales from Amazon U.S.–but not the heavily discounted mp3 version.

  92. neither david had the amazon special offer last year during their debut release weeks… eh… water under the bridge now…

  93. Does anyone know when Adam is airing on David Letterman? Isn’t it tonight?

  94. Ahh! But as the wise Q3 pointed out, it’s not really a sale in the sense that it will be included in the Billboard numbers. So, there you go. You’ll have to remove that piece of bittercakes from you picnic basket.

    Bitter? No, I’m angry and disappointed that artists who are all about the music and nothing else are secondary to this circus clown.

  95. I don’t know anything about these sales numbers…but 200K sounds good to me. Go Adam!

  96. Not too shabby. Maybe there is no such thing as bad publicity

    Or maybe it’s just a great album that has had overwhelmingly positive reviews.

  97. I don’t think that 50% price rule applies to digital downloads. Take a look at that document—it applies that rule to brick & mortar, venue, and internet sales, but NOT to digital downloads. Otherwise, why would anyone agree to have sales at that price? Especially someone capable of selling plenty of copies of CDs at regular prices?

  98. IMO record sales are no longer relevant — it is all about concert revenues. Artist earn very little from albums and less from singles.

    Also, I could care less if Adam is #5 or #10 — I just want him to sell enough to do another album and to tour BIG!! Ranking doe not matter — units and MV views matter more. And the FYE MV is a monster — it will sell on iTunes and be a huge YouTube hit. So, I am fairly sure we will get Adam Lambert #2 album and a BIG venue tour.

    So all is good in the universe tonight.

    PS There is absolutely no way that the FCC complaint and GMA cancellation was planned.

  99. neither david had the amazon special offer last year during their debut release weeks’ ¦ eh’ ¦ water under the bridge now’ ¦

    The Amazon special offer doesn’t help his sales. The albums sold for 3.99 won’t count for Billboard.

  100. Wait a minute here. Is this billboard dude just making predictions for the hell of it like the rest of us do, or does he have some inside info? If hes just pulling these numbers from his hiney, then Adam could still be under 100k for all we know, right?

  101. If I had to choose between Adam producing a kick-ass album that one can listen to over and over and still find nuances and enjoyment versus a kick-ass one time performance, I’d choose the album any day. I agree with the people who have stated that if the MV had come out first, it would have prepped people for a more playful attitude than what came out in the performance–hindsight is 20/20. So glad that people are going to hear his album and judge him on his music which is extraordinary. Plus, after the radio interviews, his multi-dimensionality is firmly in place.

  102. And last year both David Cook and David Archuleta were over estimated.

    True, but IIRC, they only missed Cook by approx. 5,000. Archie’s miss, unfortunately, was nearing 40,000 IIRC. So yeah.

  103. Question: does it matter how much he sells, really? If his team is behind him.

    I see Jason Castro getting lots of label support and them treating him like a new artist.

    I see the same with Allison

    This is an honest question: do y’all think his label is going to support him or they are wanting to make a quick buck? I would love answers that aren’t OTT pro or against Adam. Just curious.

  104. @yinyang: So the HDD predictions don’t include the albums purchased via Amazon’s $3.99 sale?

  105. madeforbabies, Adam’s appearance on Letterman is tomorrow, i.e., Wednesday.

  106. Bitter? No, I’m angry and disappointed that artists who are all about the music and nothing else are secondary to this circus clown.

    Pop sells because all about the music and NOTHING else is boring unless the music is truly phenomenal, which very little music is in any genre these days.

  107. I suspect for some people, there’s no number high enough for them to declare Adam a success.

    This is something I have leaned the hard way you will not change people’s mind if they are adamant (no pun) on the way they think. I am happy about the estimate but I am much happier about the album because to me it is amazing and I love it and play it all the time. ALL OF IT! So I won!!!!!! and ultimately that is really what matters!!!

  108. I was thinking it would be higher but oh well. Susan Boyle has a good voice yes…but I could really care less about her CD so the sales for her really shock me.

  109. I don’t think that 50% price rule applies to digital downloads.

    Can you provide a link to your source of information for that?

  110. UGGHH, if Susan does actually sell 600,000, there are going to be annoying articles about how she sold double the combined results of the winner and runner up of AI and does that mean AI is dying. I am not a big fan of Adam or Kris, but nobody messes with my AI lol

    Well, those darn Glee kids are doing pretty well too and they are right in American Idol’s backyard. :)

  111. Starr: I don’t think that’s correct. I believe that the document from which that assertion has been made was misread. Digital downloads do not appear to be subject to the 50% rule.

    I also recall (maybe when U2’s CD was first for sale?) an HDD article that directly referenced them getting the Amazon special pricing and how that was increasing their sales. So, yes, the $3.99 Amazon MP3s do count for soundscan purposes.

  112. Adam looks so cute in that “Whataya Want From Me” David Letterman promo..! How can anyone resist!

  113. I don’t understand why a Billboard prediction of 200K is being dismissed as a guess. This is their job. They’re usually very good at making predictions.

    And 200K for Adam would not be some wild and crazy number but perfectly reasonable for someone coming off Idol with a big fanbase.

  114. The Billboard guy has data to back up his claim. Here’s the full article. He says 225K.

    Meanwhile, Adam Lambert’s ‘For Your Entertainment’  is also outperforming sales expectations, despite’”or perhaps because of’”the risque performance he turned in at the American Music Awards on Sunday, Nov. 22. Label and distribution sources project that ‘For Your Entertainment’  could sell about 225,000 units in its first week.

  115. So, I am fairly sure we will get Adam Lambert #2 album and a BIG venue tour.

    Thanks Q3. I hope that’s true. A tour of FYE and the opportunity for album #2 is all I need from this album sales.

  116. I am much happier about the album because to me it is amazing and I love it and play it all the time. ALL OF IT! So I won!!!!!!

    ITA. And, he’ll get to record a 2nd album, so we win again!
    The sales estimates are interesting, but until we get the real numbers next week, it’s all just an estimate, and no telling what will happen, (other than that I get to listen to the album, watch the MV, and enjoy all the great music!)

  117. The real reality star next week will be Susan Boyle.Imagine how much she’d be selling if she’d included a blow job in her act. (Sorry, I couldn’t resist)

    Yep, and you know, maybe Adam would have sold more if he DIDN’T include one. No one knows how the AMA performance and the media circus that happened since impacted his sales. He could have gained sales as a result or he could have lost sales. We’ll never know. Why shouldn’t he sell well though considering he allegedly had more pre-orders than any Idol ever??

    I hope ‘crazy cat lady’ keeps kicking ass and breaks all sorts of records.

  118. Wow @ SuBo possibly getting 700K according to that Billboard article. Rihanna is under-performing. So Adam should come in third, behind SuBo and Lady Gaga.

  119. BTW, I don’t think Susan Boyle selling a ton of CDs means much. I mean, really? Come on! That is them wanting to make a quick buck off her. Can’t blame her for doing it though. I won’t be buying it.

  120. I also recall (maybe when U2’s CD was first for sale?) an HDD article that directly referenced them getting the Amazon special pricing and how that was increasing their sales. So, yes, the $3.99 Amazon MP3s do count for soundscan purposes.

    That makes more sense. It doesn’t make sense to me that Amazon’s sales wouldn’t count just because some are discounted.

  121. yinyang
    11/24/2009 at 11:19 pm

    Does anyone know when Adam is airing on David Letterman? Isn’t it tonight?

    Tomorrow night. 11/25
    Here is a link to a snippet from the show:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1usikUYdy9Y

    From this snippet (lol) he looks and sounds amazing. This goes to my point anyone who really knows Adam (even those who don’t like him) know that he does not do the same sexually charged performance all the time. I am so looking forward to Letterman.

  122. Well, I have never heard of a current Idol release being discounted its first day or two to 99 cents. If that’s the case, those numbers don’t mean a thing to me. I know last years Idols were not bargain basemented out in the first couple of days after release. Heck – just last week I payed full price for a former Idol’s cd at Walmart. The current Idol was on sale, but it was still 9.99 This whole thing is just weird. I’m through and I am bored with all this AL mess. Bottom line is no retailer or record company is going to deep discount a new cd that deeply, if they think they can sell it for full price.

  123. The Amazon special offer doesn’t help his sales. The albums sold for 3.99 won’t count for Billboard.

    Where does it say that? I can’t believe they’re not buying him this as they’ve bought everything else.

  124. Wow @ SuBo possibly getting 700K according to that Billboard article. Rihanna is under-performing. So Adam should come in third, behind SuBo and Lady Gaga.

    Third would be a FANTASTIC debut!!

  125. This is an honest question: do y’all think his label is going to support him or they are wanting to make a quick buck? I would love answers that aren’t OTT pro or against Adam. Just curious.

    Well considering they got KIIS-FM and Z100 to add WWFM, I’d say there is some level of support happening there.

  126. I don’t understand why a Billboard prediction of 200K is being dismissed as a guess. This is their job. They’re usually very good at making predictions.

    And 200K for Adam would not be some wild and crazy number but perfectly reasonable for someone coming off Idol with a big fanbase.

    THANK YOU!! LOL

  127. The real reality star next week will be Susan Boyle.Imagine how much she’d be selling if she’d included a blow job in her act. (Sorry, I couldn’t resist)

    Yep, and you know, maybe Adam would have sold more if he DIDN’T include one.

    hahahahaha

    That’s what I kept reading! Guess not…

  128. If Adam actually does sell 200K tomorrow, there ain’t no way to change, spin, twist, or invent any description other than: Great. It’s a wonderful start. We’ve been waiting for the real AO numbers to be mixed in. And this is lovely news. Looks like there were plenty of people, just like me, who forgot about waiting until release date to compare bonus tracks, and succumbed and bought the CE the instant one could download Master Plan at AO.

    Also, I posted a prediction of 120K to 150K UNITS for the first week here a few days ago and was derided for being too high. Now everyone expects it to be close to 200K. LOL!!!

    So, true. A thread full of all kinds of numbers. And Q3 went out on a limb. At no time in that thread did any one suggest that 200K – or over! – was a more likely possibility.

    I never posted any numbers anywhere. But I have posted, repeatedly, continually: No doubt.

    This morning on WPLJ, Scott and Todd, after interviewing Adam, told their 3 million NY listeners, Adam Lambert is his name and

    “He’s a bonafide American star, ladies & gentlemen”

    Caused some smiling in those of us who love Adam’s voice.

    The Amazon downloads not counting are a big, big drag. Because with all this headline AMA stuff, huge amounts of people could seize that opportunity. Tens of thousands in fact, if you like numbers. Hope Amazon at least releases how many they sold that didn’t count.

  129. It would bw incredible for him to have the #2 album. And WDYWFM is perfect for him to sing to sum up all that has gone on

  130. Bitter? No, I’m angry and disappointed that artists who are all about the music and nothing else are secondary to this circus clown.

    Life is a circus, get over it!

  131. The Amazon special offer doesn’t help his sales. The albums sold for 3.99 won’t count for Billboard

    That’s just not true. Some of fans are really completely misinformed and keep stating things that just aren’t true. Of course, they’ll count.

  132. Sherena
    11/24/2009 at 11:20 pm
    Bitter? No, I’m angry and disappointed that artists who are all about the music and nothing else are secondary to this circus clown.

    Pop sells because all about the music and NOTHING else is boring unless the music is truly phenomenal, which very little music is in any genre these days.

    I disagree with this. Using your explanation, it would mean that everything on the radio is phenomenal, and I would say it’s not, but then again I’ve never been a big fan of radio, since I think half the crap they play is ridiculous anyway (don’t even get me started on that Jason DeRulo song). But to each their own.

  133. The discounted sales do not count on the Billboard album chart ranking.
    Digital or not.

    But it doesn’t matter — the label care about revenue and profits NOT units. You cannot put units in the bank. ANd Adam is apparently selling a lot of $17 deluxe albums.

    Also, Adm in on the charts in 18 countries on iTunes, top 10 iTunes in 7 and rising worldwide. The people buying in Italy, Spain, Greece and so on are not in the Idol bubble.

    Also selling well in Japan.

  134. pj, you pose a great question. IDK if Adam’s label totally backs him as a genuine new artist needing time and room to grow into the business and success. It does seem to me that they’re totally banking on (and believe in) him being big. In that sense, they seem to completely back his vision and artistry right now. The believing in him part is crucial, but I do wonder whether their faith and commitment will waver if the dollars don’t come rolling in, which raises the question of what do they believe in — Adam or his bankability. The answer, I really have no inkling whatsoever. But, obviously, I hope they genuinely believe in and back Adam. I also hope they’ll be patient, even if his initial sales are good, because he may still need time to truly grow as an artist and catch on as a commercial success.

    Sorry for the tome, but the question intrigued me. I’d never really thought about that question…

  135. The Amazon special offer doesn’t help his sales. The albums sold for 3.99 won’t count for Billboard.

    Where does it say that? I can’t believe they’re not buying him this as they’ve bought everything else.

    Q3 posted a link on standard tracking policy, although apparently now that is under contention or discussion. I can’t claim to be an authority here, so we’ll just have to wait and see what the experts decide. lol.

    Also “buying him this as they’ve bought everything else”–sigh–redirecting you to the great post outlining the many $1.99 $2.99 and $3.99 digital sales promos Amazon does, as well as the numerous $5 albums being sold right now. It’s common; it’s standard. It’s not Adam getting to be the favorite child. The idea is that they do it because they think there can be a return on the investment, just as with any business.

  136. That’s wayyyyyyy better than I thought.

    Having said that, I think the 2nd week drop will be pretty staggering.

  137. I’m not surprised. I predicted Adam would easily clear 200K if the AMA performance was water cooler material. Honestly, though, SuBO? Makes me fear for the future of music. LOL And Adam a little bit too, when you add them together. So much for the singer/songwriter. Le sigh.

  138. Here is Billboard article saying Adam Estimate at 225K

    Susan Boyle 550K

    Lady Gaga 200K

    SuBo is a BEAST! Good for her!

    225!!! Adam beat Gaga? Damn!

    I love Lady Gaga too-they can tie, or one over the other.
    I don’t care-they both deserve it!

  139. Pop sells because all about the music and NOTHING else is boring unless the music is truly phenomenal, which very little music is in any genre these days.

    I disagree with this. Using your explanation, it would mean that everything on the radio is phenomenal, and I would say it’s not, but then again I’ve never been a big fan of radio, since I think half the crap they play is ridiculous anyway (don’t even get me started on that Jason DeRulo song). But to each their own.

    But Jason DeRulo isn’t all about the music and NOTHING else, which is the category of artist Sassycatz was talking about. Also, Jason DeRulo is pop. Lol I don’t see how my explanation leads to “everything on the radio being phenomenal” at all, unless it’s also true that everything on the radio is by artists who don’t care about their image…

  140. Having said that, I think the 2nd week drop will be pretty staggering.

    Tony: Kirsten reminded us last week that a big drop is to be expected-especially with idol sales. You can ask her what the percentage was. But, it happens with all the idols-not just Adam.

  141. sorry off-topic but I got my AI alert email thing,and got a link to this in one of the forums–remember? ( I really need this now)

    “love overcomes hate.love has no color.love has no orientation.all is love”
    — Adam lambert

  142. Q3- Where are you getting the international info? I have a link for the top ten but can’t get beyond that.

  143. By the way, realize that these albums went on sale on Monday, not the traditional Tuesday.

    So Cook sold his 280K albums last year in six days. While Susan Boyle and Adam’s numbers will be based on seven days of sales. So these numbers aren’t quite comparable with other weeks. Kris’ sales for example are based on 6 days. (Eminem might have cause to complain if SuBo breaks his first week sales record).

  144. Well last week for Kris they estimated first 75-80K then revamped it to 85-90 and he actually sold 85K And based on their other predictions the past two weeks they are pretty close with few exceptions.

    Here is the link to HDD you will see the actual sales for this week and the percentage difference from their original estimates

    Yes, HDD’s estimates are amazingly accurate.

  145. Kirsten reminded us last week that a big drop is to be expected-especially with idol’s sales. You can ask her what the percentage was. But, it happens with all the idols-not just Adam.

    About 60% is the average drop, I believe. Still, 40% of 200K is about 80K and that’s good for second week sales.

    He’ll be on track for a gold record, at least.

  146. Also, Adm in on the charts in 18 countries on iTunes, top 10 iTunes in 7 and rising worldwide. The people buying in Italy, Spain, Greece and so on are not in the Idol bubble.

    Also selling well in Japan.

    Yup. I think this album will do well overseas. Especially once promotion starts.

    Having said that, I think the 2nd week drop will be pretty staggering.

    Thats pretty standard across the board. I think if Adam has a good opening week, people will lay off the sales a little bit more and focus on other stuff he’s doing. Rhianna for example might not debut well, but over the course of a year or two she’ll go platinum easily.

  147. Honestly, though, SuBO? Makes me fear for the future of music.

    She’s no more a threat to modern music than “Chicken Soup for the Soul” is to the publishing world. She makes people feel better about themselves. The timing for this album is excellent because it’s a nice warm Christmasy message.

    If you get one you don’t want, just return it after Christmas (if the giver asks, say that you lent it out or it’s in the car or the stupid dog ate it…really, dogs do do that).

  148. Well last week for Kris they estimated first 75-80K then revamped it to 85-90 and he actually sold 85K And based on their other predictions the past two weeks they are pretty close with few exceptions.

    These are not HDD numbers yet, are they? I’m not seeing any reports on their site yet.

  149. Controversy + Black Friday + $3.99 price point = sales. Can’t say I’m shocked.

    Given the sudden “OMG MUST DECRY CENSORSHIP” purchases for the first few days, I wonder if this might be an over estimate? Somehow, even though GaGa is an ep tacked onto a re-release I find it hard to believe Adam will outsell her. If he does, I weep for humanity.

    If you get one you don’t want, just return it after Christmas (if the giver asks, say that you lent it out or it’s in the car or the stupid dog ate it’ ¦really, dogs do do that).

    I seem to recall returns do eventually get taken off your sales totals. I think it downgraded Taylor at one point. Do you know if this is correct?

  150. So much for the singer/songwriter.

    Oh don’t worry. The singer songwriter’s going strong. The singer songwriter just won 5 AMAs, beating our MJ for one of them, and was the highest selling artist of last year! (guess which singer songwriter in particular I’m referring to here…lol)

  151. Kris’ sales for example are based on 6 days also.

    lol
    So, let’s throw in an extra day! Let’s throw in two! What does that get him up to?

  152. Bottom line is no retailer or record company is going to deep discount a new cd that deeply, if they think they can sell it for full price.

    Respectfully, that’s just wrong. Amazon does this ALL THE TIME for BIG NAMED HOT albums. It’s their schtick. They do so to drive traffic to their site and sell other things, like all those other CDs now discounted too, among a gajillion other things deeply discounted.

    As I said on the other thread, there’s a reason Amazon posted record profits last year when most other retailers were posting losses. They know exactly what they’re doing and why, and it has NOTHING to do with fear of an artist not selling. (Not to mention, it’s not like they’re holding a lot of inventory they need to unload for fear of being stuck with (or having to shelve and store) it. These are mp3 sales. :-) )

  153. Kris’ sales for example are based on 6 days also.

    Most stores are closed on Thansgiving — so this is a 6 day week too.

  154. I confer to Q3 because this is a 6 day week too because of Thanksgiving. Jeez

  155. Also, Adm in on the charts in 18 countries on iTunes, top 10 iTunes in 7 and rising worldwide. The people buying in Italy, Spain, Greece and so on are not in the Idol bubble.

    This is all really great news…

    Q3 do you know when or if we will see international sales numbers…

    It seems like this is something we may only hear if RCA/19 would release those numbers…Yes/No???

  156. Oh don’t worry. The singer songwriter’s going strong. The singer songwriter just won 5 AMAs, beating our MJ for one of them, and was the highest selling artist of last year! (guess which singer songwriter in particular I’m referring to here’ ¦lol)

    Not to mention the singer/songwriter who sold 300K and is sitting atop the Billboard chart this week.

  157. Kirsten reminded us last week that a big drop is to be expected-especially with idol sales. You can ask her what the percentage was. But, it happens with all the idols-not just Adam.

    I know about the Idol drop (and the typical 60%+ that comes with most albums). I’m talking about something worse than normal.

  158. Kris’ sales are very underpar. But Adam will have an extra day of sales compared to any other Idol who ever released an album. All the labels jumped the gun this year. I guess albums need all the help they can get even with a week that includes Black Friday (traditionally a great week for music sales)

  159. Not to mention the singer/songwriter who sold 300K and is sitting atop the Billboard chart this week.

    That one too :P

  160. Yes, HDD’s estimates are amazingly accurate.

    Normally.. then sometimes you have the idol oddity…

    like archie’s last year. original prediction was 225k-240k adjusted to 210k-220k at the end of the week but ended up being 183k…. lol

  161. Meanwhile, Adam Lambert’s ‘For Your Entertainment’  is also outperforming sales expectations, despite’”or perhaps because of’”the risque performance he turned in at the American Music Awards on Sunday, Nov. 22. Label and distribution sources project that ‘For Your Entertainment’  could sell about 225,000 units in its first week.

    It seems there were other sales expectations before this one.

  162. 225!!! Adam beat Gaga? Damn!

    well Gaga’s album isnt exactly all new material…its a re-working of her previous record with 8 new tracks…Adam’s is totally new.

  163. Also, Adm in on the charts in 18 countries on iTunes, top 10 iTunes in 7 and rising worldwide. The people buying in Italy, Spain, Greece and so on are not in the Idol bubble.

    Also selling well in Japan.

    “I knew there was a lot interest in Adam overseas. and glad they are liking his music. I wonder if Adam is going to go overseas on his first tour. I guess that depends on album sales and who he is touring with.”

  164. I guess this proved people right who said Adam’s single sales were so low because people were pre-ordering the whole album. He’s obviously an album artist moreso than a single artist like Jordin is.

    Adam looks great in that Letterman clip. If he sings well tomorrow on CBS and Letterman, I think people will start thinking about his CD again moreso than the AMA performance.

  165. Kirsten reminded us last week that a big drop is to be expected-especially with idol’s sales. You can ask her what the percentage was. But, it happens with all the idols-not just Adam.

    It doesn’t just happen to Idols, it happens to everybody. These days, the drop is in the 60-70% range. It will likely be higher for Adam (calm down, I think he’s an opportunistic weasel, but this isn’t me being a h8ter) because he’s coming off a Black Friday week. Sales are higher this week and then it returns to a more normal sales week (so you have to factor the overall drop in sales in) The biggest album sales week is actually the week before Christmas and the week before that is the second biggest week. So, sales start drifting up again in a few weeks which softens the normal week to week decline.

    Your first week is typically your largest (barring some big event and Christmas albums) and you normally see an exponential drop-off until the album reaches a sustainable level. Although next week will be steeper than normal, the curve should flatten out faster as we go towards Christmas.

    Then sales fall off a cliff and we all go into mourning. Seriously, 60K will probably be the top selling album for most of January.

  166. Bottom line is no retailer or record company is going to deep discount a new cd that deeply, if they think they can sell it for full price.

    Amazon is #2 in the US digital music business but has only 9% share of the digital music business — iTunes has 69% — it is in Amazon’s, the artists’ and the labels’ interest to increase Amazon’s share. ANd oddly — it is in iTunes best interest — because if their share stays at 69%, they will eventually face FTC scrutiny for non-competitive practices.

    The Amazon super discounts for this week were offered long before Adam.

  167. jpfan
    11/24/2009 at 11:41 pm

    Kris’ sales are very underpar. But Adam will have an extra day of sales compared to any other Idol who ever released an album. All the labels jumped the gun this year. I guess albums need all the help they can get even with a week that includes Black Friday (traditionally a great week for music sales)

    I disagree as this is Thanksgiving week Many stores will be closed and Most people will not shop. Or sales for that day will be insignificant. So 6 days

  168. I have to say, I think John Mayer is over rated. LOL ;-) That’s the beauty of taste. :-) And… art.

  169. It seems there were other sales expectations before this one.

    Probably because Season 8 Idols haven’t sold well at all this year. They probably low-balled everyone. And then Adam lost the show…. so they probably weren’t expecting much at all from him sales-wise.

  170. Oh don’t worry. The singer songwriter’s going strong. The singer songwriter just won 5 AMAs, beating our MJ for one of them, and was the highest selling artist of last year! (guess which singer songwriter in particular I’m referring to here’ ¦lol)

    Taylor is hot right now! I think she is a great girl! There are lots of folks who would argue with you on the “singer” part!
    I’ve seen her in concert three times. Teen girls, little girls and Moms are in abundance. Taylor puts on a great show.
    She isn’t the best singer, though.
    Miley, JoBros,Taylor…You can’t stop the tween crowd. Plus Taylor has the teens and she’s country music.(and has successfully crossed over) Her stock is golden!

  171. like archie’s last year. original prediction was 225k-240k adjusted to 210k-220k at the end of the week but ended up being 183k

    Indeed. And wasn’t there the same kind of inflation of numbers for Cook? Though his total number to me was more than fine and looking at the top ten of last week, 280K would have gotten him a number 2 spot behind a very strong Mayer week.

  172. Any album that got released the week of Black Friday in the past only had 5 days of sales because Thanksgiving Day is always included in the week (by your logic.) Albums are traditionally released on Tuesdays. This year’s Monday releases are extremely unusual.

  173. Then sales fall off a cliff and we all go into mourning. Seriously, 60K will probably be the top selling album for most of January.

    Does it really drop that low? OMG When does it pick up again?

  174. Adam looks great in that Letterman clip. If he sings well tomorrow on CBS and Letterman, I think people will start thinking about his CD again moreso than the AMA performance.

    Yeah I saw this on Access Hollywood…he did look great.. and most importantly from the very brief like 4 seconds of audio I heard of it, I think everyone is going to be going batshit crazy happy because it sounded FABULOUS!!!! Can’t Wait!

  175. Probably because Season 8 Idols haven’t sold well at all this year. They probably low-balled everyone. And then Adam lost the show’ ¦. so they probably weren’t expecting much at all from him sales-wise.

    And considering how poorly his singles have done and the lack of radio play/promotion.

  176. First Adam has the future of gay marriage on his shoulders, now humanity. Lol

  177. SKINGRAFT | los angeles, ca
    Adam Lambert in this month’s ELLE (with the SJP Cover) wearing a custom Skingraft jacket…and looking fierce.
    7:24 PM Nov 23rd from web

  178. I guess they consider Thursday not a “sales” day. I don’t know of any stores open, but can you buy i-tunes? (even though they aren’t a big part of sales). If you only counted the week starting on Tuesday, then it still wouldn’t make for a fair comparison.

    I know first week sales, in the end, mean nothing. It’s long term that matters. But I can’t help it. I need to ask if anyone knows what other Idol runner-ups sold. Just to satisfy my curiosity.

  179. Trina
    11/24/2009 at 11:25 pm
    Yep, and you know, maybe Adam would have sold more if he DIDN’T include one. No one knows how the AMA performance and the media circus that happened since impacted his sales. He could have gained sales as a result or he could have lost sales. We’ll never know. Why shouldn’t he sell well though considering he allegedly had more pre-orders than any Idol ever??

    They’re sure going to try to imply that the controversy helped though, aren’t they? And the sad thing is that people will believe it, and it will encourage more talented musicians to think that the best way, maybe the only way, to be successful in the business is through faux controversy and boorish behavior. Too bad all the way around.

  180. Bottom line is no retailer or record company is going to deep discount a new cd that deeply, if they think they can sell it for full price.

    Respectfully, that’s just wrong. Amazon does this ALL THE TIME for BIG NAMED HOT albums. It’s their schtick. They do so to drive traffic to their site and sell other things, like all those other CDs now discounted too, among a gajillion other things deeply discounted.

    Thank you for reinforcing this point but there are a lot of people that just don’t get it, maybe not all states require a semester of Economics like they do in my state – it’s called a loss leader. Amazon is trying to woo people away from iTunes. Adam’s label will get their due, Amazon will absorb the loss and hope that people switch brands or at least pick up a few other items to make up for their bargain basement price.

  181. Well, here’s hoping that the buzz Adam’s got going on now (regardless of the source) will cause more people to tune in to Letterman and the Early Show.

    I am loving the numbers, but I refuse to get excited yet.

  182. You do realize that in about a week, a whole new group of albums will be released and RCA can’t keep this level of promo going. And while sales may be great until Xmas, they’ll fall off a cliff right after. At that point, radio will matter a lot. That’s not yammering.

    Oh, I don’t disagree that radio play matters. It’s just that so many people were hammering nails in Adam’s coffin just because he wasn’t coming up with magic numbers after two or three weeks. And it seemed people were deliberately ignoring the fact that TfM was not pushed AT ALL. Fye had one radio promo with Ryan and that was it. The true promotion (which we all know Adam EXCELLS at) is just now beginning. I don’t expect Adam to fall off of a cliff.

  183. Does it really drop that low? OMG When does it pick up again?

    Pretty much. This year had Taylor Swift, so the top album seller did okay.

    First 4 weeks of January (starting with sales reported on Jan 7th)
    Week 1:
    1 Taylor Swift: 90K
    2 Beyonce: 77K

    Week 2:
    1 Taylor Swift 72K
    2 Nickelback 53K

    Week 3:
    1 Taylor Swift: 63K
    2 Beyonce: 49K

    Week 4:
    1 Taylor Swift: 63K
    2 Beyonce: 52K

    Then the Grammys happen and things start to pick up a bit.

  184. After Kris’ predictions I was hoping for 100,000 for Adam and am so happy that it’ll be higher! The album is excellent and deserves to be heard! I hope the drop offs aren’t as steep as everyone is selling, that would give Adam 80,000 in the second week and Kris 30,000 ? Wow, hope not…

  185. Kris’ sales are very underpar. But Adam will have an extra day of sales compared to any other Idol who ever released an album. All the labels jumped the gun this year. I guess albums need all the help they can get even with a week that includes Black Friday (traditionally a great week for music sales)

    This is true. He does have an extra day of sales, but Kris also had the ITUNES pass, which Idol fanatics would’ve bought at the height of Idol Mania. I wonder how much more Adam would have done if he had an Itunes pass available back in May.

  186. These are not HDD numbers yet, are they? I’m not seeing any reports on their site yet.

    Well this is from the Billboard article, and they don’t mention HDD. I don’t know if they get their numbers from the same place(s).

    But yeah, still skeptical. I mean I seriously doubt these numbers. I prefer cautioius to paranoid, thank you very much.

    And these aren’t even HDD yet, it appears, so I’ll wait to see what they have to say. Still say 100K will be a good week for Adam.

  187. I really haven’t been following music lately other than watching some of the AMA awards but am surprised that they’re predicting Adam to sell so much. I can’t say that performance made me want to check out his album but I guess a lot will from the sounds of it. I don’t even know how Kris did since I assume his is already out. Now Daughty’s another thing. :)

  188. January is a dead zone for music sales, but if WWFM takes off, it could be great timing for the album. And, as much as I wasn’t really a fan of the idea, that Kradison concert in February doesn’t hurt.

    And to add, it seems ridiculous to be comparing Idol sales. David Cook (and I’m a big fan) had his first presale up right after the Idol finale which was a brilliant move. Coming off a hugely emotional finale, I can only imagine how many fans, running on emotion, went right out and bought it; I did.

  189. Does it really drop that low? OMG When does it pick up again?

    Pretty much. This year had Taylor Swift, so the top album seller did okay.

    Thanks for the info Kirsten..I am just amazed that it drops that low..Thank god for the Grammy’s. So I take it that Christmas time Makes or breaks it for most. Taylor Swift is that much more impressive. Love to see a head to head battle between her and Boyle..

  190. She’s no more a threat to modern music than ‘Chicken Soup for the Soul’  is to the publishing world. She makes people feel better about themselves. The timing for this album is excellent because it’s a nice warm Christmasy message.

    Oh I know. I was just being melodramatic because that dreadful Wild Horses cover makes me stabby.

    Oh don’t worry. The singer songwriter’s going strong. The singer songwriter just won 5 AMAs, beating our MJ for one of them, and was the highest selling artist of last year! (guess which singer songwriter in particular I’m referring to here’ ¦lol)

    Yeaaaah, so not helping. *raises eyebrow* Um, how bout go John Mayer?

  191. Well this is from the Billboard article, and they don’t mention HDD. I don’t know if they get their numbers from the same place(s).

    I know HDD does their own surveying. Maybe Billboard does too.

  192. Sassycatz
    11/24/2009 at 10:26 pm
    I sure hope not. I don’t think Adam should be rewarded for that performance on the AMAs, but as P.T. Barnum said’ ¦.

    Maybe not although I disagree but he sure as hell deserves to be rewarded for having put out an excellent album IMO…

  193. I hope the drop offs aren’t as steep as everyone is selling, that would give Adam 80,000 in the second week and Kris 30,000 ? Wow, hope not’ ¦

    Here’s my total newbie answer, would HDD give Kris’s estimates for this week’s sale, tomorrow as well? I would assume so, but you know what they say about assumptions. You make an ass out of you and umption.

  194. Sassycatz
    11/24/2009 at 10:35 pm
    Sassycatz, maybe he is being rewarded for putting out a great album.

    That would be the case, if it were great album AND if the music had actually been promoted over all these weeks ‘ ¦ which it wasn’t. It was all about Adam’s magical mystery sexual identity tour.

    NO, disagree, the album is excellent, people are not going to buy an album ONLY for controversy they actually want to enjoy the music and he’s been getting good reviews…

  195. January is a dead zone for music sales, but if WWFM takes off, it could be great timing for the album.

    That’s probably why RCA sent WWFM for adds today. This will give it a full four weeks to gain adds and spins before the Christmas freeze (usually the last two weeks of the year) which is a chance to get it positioned to do well after Christmas airplay unfreezes. I know a lot of people poo-poo the importance of airplay, but it does keep your name out there. It’s not the only way (as we saw this week), but it’s one of the standard ways.

  196. Kristen: It doesn’t just happen to Idols, it happens to everybody. These days, the drop is in the 60-70% range. It will likely be higher for Adam (calm down, I think he’s an opportunistic weasel, but this isn’t me being a h8ter) because he’s coming off a Black Friday week. Sales are higher this week and then it returns to a more normal sales week (so you have to factor the overall drop in sales in) The biggest album sales week is actually the week before Christmas and the week before that is the second biggest week. So, sales start drifting up again in a few weeks which softens the normal week to week decline.

    OK let me say ITA with you regarding the drop off — sure there will be a sales drop off — even for Adam. But I am not smart enough to predict what it will be. I have now decided to suspend all rules of logic regarding Adam Lambert. Because normal rules just do not apply.

    And I guess I must love this particular weasel — LOL – I learn something new everyday.

  197. Ok lets go with worse case scenario…..Let’s say Predictions are way off, they are off even more then they were off for Archie last year. Say 50K….With the Billboard prediction of 225K that puts Adam at 175K I’ll still take it!!!!!!

  198. would HDD give Kris’s estimates for this week’s sale, tomorrow as well?

    HDD gives an estimate of the Top 10 during Fridays so if Kris made the Top 10, there will be an estimate for him. But the Wednesday estimates are usually for the new releases only.

    RE: Adam’s sales – Not bad at all although I was expecting him to sell more than Cook especially since he’s releasing on Thanksgiving week and all the buzz that he has. I guess his fanbase is not as huge as I estimated it to be.

  199. so it looks like gaga drops 350K combined this week.

    fantastic considering “the fame” debuted with 24K a year ago.

  200. Mick Jagger according to a UK newspaper gave Susan Boyle’s rendition of Wild Horses a thumbs up. Well, he and Keith get royalties as the songwriters so he might as well be nice I guess. I only like the Stones version.

  201. The iTunes pass screwed Kris, so I don’t know if that should be used as a positive note for his sales.

    Good for Adam, though, if these predictions are solid. People might forget about the AMA fiasco.

    @Kirsten: LOL @ the “opportunistic weasel” :D

  202. Here’s my total newbie answer, would HDD give Kris’s estimates for this week’s sale, tomorrow as well?

    No. There one day predictions (this time a two day prediction) are only typically made for debuting albums. Then, on Friday, they typically post a weekend update for the top 10 or so albums (which I doubt that Kris will be in). I can’t remember if we get an HDD update on Black Friday. HDD does what it wants. It used to take most of December off (so people were happy last year when it did not).

    If Kris manages to stay in the top 50, we should see some predictions coming in for him on HDD for Monday and Tuesday.

  203. HDD gives an estimate of the Top 10 during Fridays so if Kris made the Top 10, there will be an estimate for him. But the Wednesday estimates are usually for the new releases only.

    Thanks for the info.

    So tomorrow HDD entimate info for RiRi, Adam, Lady GaGa and Mistress Of Cats and CD sales everywhere –SuBo. Not sure if Kris can hang on to a top 10 spot this week if his sale really do drop off as much as they’re traditionally supposed to. sigh of sadness. But maybe that won’t happen.

  204. I can’t remember if we get an HDD update on Black Friday. HDD does what it wants. It used to take most of December off (so people were happy last year when it did not).

    Well that must be nice to be able to do. Maybe this year they’ll feel like showing up in December. Maybe Wild Horse couldn’t drag them away from their jobs this year?

  205. ‘ ¦and where are you getting the 250K from ???

    Clive once said that Idols are expected to do 350K-500K without a lead-off single. That’s why he didn’t like releasing singles for Idols until close to the album drop date.

  206. Seems like Gaga has three different versions of her album out. So Adam will probably outsell the new one. It’s kind of a confusing situation. But she’s selling 350K total next week according to BB.

    Yes I used Clive’s quote about album sales as my guide. ;)

  207. Kristen, are these numbers from HDD? Does Billboard use the same source of data as HDD?

  208. Kirsten what time does HDD typical post their predictions on Wednesday?

  209. Kristen, are these numbers from HDD? Does Billboard use the same source of data as HDD?

    Billboard probably has better data. They have access to SoundScan data. HDD somehow (don’t ask me how) gets retailers to provide them with the same data, but not all retailers report to them so they have algorithms to model the missing data and make their predictions.

    Billboard doesn’t often post predictions (and they seem about as reliable as HDD). Mediabase used to have a panel where they estimated the percentage difference between sales week. I don’t know if they still have it, but it was laughable inaccurate.

  210. I agree GaGa is in an interesting situation with Fame Monster. It’s one thing to combine an album and its deluxe version for sales counts when we’re talking a couple of bonus tracks. But GaGa’s has 8 tracks, which also are released as a separate CD. Since the first 14 (or however many) tracks are a repeat of the first album, do her deluxe sales combine? How does this work?

  211. Bitter? No, I’m angry and disappointed that artists who are all about the music and nothing else are secondary to this circus clown.

    you’re angry? why? unless you’re the artist in question who is coming in secondary seems you have no personal investment in which to base your anger on. Not to mention, entertainment is just that entertainment and what one person finds interesting and worthwhile someone else might not and it’s the media’s job to try to focus on the people who have the widest fanbase.

  212. I’m hoping for a person who is a mix of Adam and Kris!! Kris charm and Adam’s vocal ability.

    Ooh, I think Adam has plenty of charm….

  213. My aunt called me today to ask why Adam’s album wasn’t available at Wal-Mart. I told her that there must have been some mistake with shipping because I was sure it would be available.

    Just for the heck of it, I checked the Wal-Mart website and found this:

    For Your Entertainment
    For Your Entertainment
    by Adam Lambert
    Release Date: 11/24/2009
    List Price: $15.98
    Our Price: $13.88
    You save: $2.10 (13%)

    Availability:

    Online

    In-Store

    In Limited Stores

    Site to Store

    Wal-Mart is the largest retailer of music’ ¦this really doesn’t seem fair.

    Does this happen all the time and I was just not aware??

  214. I wonder why people are buying Susan Boyle’s Cd?

    Because they like her music.

    And it’s the right time of year for her type of music and backstory.

    And they’re wub the crazy cat lady and not the opportunistic weasel.

  215. Kirsten what time does HDD typical post their predictions on Wednesday?

    IDK. I seem to recall it is around 1pm EST, but last week it was later than that.

  216. BeckyMD
    11/25/2009 at 12:13 am
    Maybe it’s just a really good album.

    Maybe it’s Maybelline

    I think Adam uses Mac….

    But LOL you made me laugh, thanks! :D

    Oh, and Kirsten, what usually reports to HDD? Wal-Mart, iTunes, Target? I know Amazon and Best Buy aren’t counted, right?

    alwaysintrouble
    11/25/2009 at 12:15 am

    you’re angry? why? unless you’re the artist in question who is coming in secondary seems you have no personal investment in which to base your anger on. Not to mention, entertainment is just that entertainment and what one person finds interesting and worthwhile someone else might not and it’s the media’s job to try to focus on the people who have the widest fanbase.

    No. It’s not entirely the media’s job to focus on who has the widest fanbase. If that were true, half the unsigned bands and indie artists and struggling singer-songwriters would not get any attention. And they don’t, which is a problem. It’s the media’s role to bring new music and underrated acts to the public, but they aren’t doing that, because they would rather not do their homework. The media would do well to treat everyone on the same level that they treat established artists AND ones with “wide fanbases”.

  217. Kristen, are these numbers from HDD? Does Billboard use the same source of data as HDD?

    What if Billboard and HDD’s predictions differ a lot?

  218. I’m hoping for a person who is a mix of Adam and Kris!! Kris charm and Adam’s vocal ability.

    Ooh, I think Adam has plenty of charm’ ¦.

    For a weasel!

    Well I happen to like weasels, actually, and ferrets as well. So there you go.

    Sorry, having too much fun. I’m just trying to have fun because there is MORE corporate training in my future. Lames. I hate having to set up remote offices. What a pain in the ass.

  219. Bitter? No, I’m angry and disappointed that artists who are all about the music and nothing else are secondary to this circus clown.

    …and who might these artists you mention be ?

  220. Honestly, what happened on Sunday had nothing to do with this. A good chunk of the first weeks’ sales are pre-orders from sites like amazon.com Also, Adam has a VERY hardcore fanbase. They were going to buy his album no matter what he did. The key is whether he can get non Idol fans to buy his music. It’s what Carrie, Kelly and Chris have done but few others have.

  221. By the way I just want to point out that FYE single is charting on the combined itunes chart in two spots it is number #35 and #125. The AMA performance did something to increase sales for the single. My feeling is single sales are selling beyond the Idol bubble at this point. Also WYWFM is #135 and Down the Rabbit Whole is #190. (Now this one is because of fans who got their album somewhere else and want the single).

  222. progression:They’re sure going to try to imply that the controversy helped though, aren’t they? And the sad thing is that people will believe it, and it will encourage more talented musicians to think that the best way, maybe the only way, to be successful in the business is through faux controversy and boorish behavior. Too bad all the way around.

    Excellent points, progression. I share your sentiments.

    Listened to Adam’s album several times when it was available for the full song preview. Thought it was very good and planned to buy it on release day. Then came the AMA stuff, the hype, the stuff since. Hate to endorse the “opportunistic weasel” (tm Kirsten) with a first-week sale. But I do like the album, so may get it next week.

    Adam was fortunate to get some good, diverse songs for this album that showcase his uncommon vocal talent.

  223. Billboard probably has better data. They have access to SoundScan data. HDD somehow (don’t ask me how) gets retailers to provide them with the same data, but not all retailers report to them so they have algorithms to model the missing data and make their predictions.

    Thanks! Does Soundscan have data as the sales are made, or do they get sales reports from retailers at the end of the sales week?

  224. Kirsten
    11/25/2009 at 12:16 am

    Kirsten what time does HDD typical post their predictions on Wednesday?

    IDK. I seem to recall it is around 1pm EST, but last week it was later than that.

    Thank you!!!

  225. opportunistic weasel.

    I wouldnt go as far as to call him a weasel…but if he is, hes got to be the best looking weasel Ive ever seen :)

  226. A few questions and answers:

    (1) HDD gets its data from retailers who represent 80% of the market and then use formulae to predict the final estimate. According to that article, Billboard uses data from labels and distributors. Not clear to me which source would be better, but I guess that we’ll see.

    (2) Someone on the chart thread at DCO figured out what that chart was on mediabase, Kirsten. It’s essentially smaller retailers and internet, possibly including Amazon (don’t recall). Barnes & Noble was definitely one of the retailers. We obviously weren’t able to get confirmation on this, but from the info that was gathered, it sounds like it may be something like the 20% that is missing from the HDD estimates.

    (3) HDD updates when it wants to update, and gives predictions when it wants to give predictions. [Very vexing.] So, we should get a prediction tomorrow and an updated prediction on Friday, but no guarantees on time for either.

  227. Bitter? No, I’m angry and disappointed that artists who are all about the music and nothing else are secondary to this circus clown.

    So he’s a clown. Does he amuse you? Is he…there for your entertainment?

    Hey, I got to use part of a Goodfellas quote AND use Adam’s album title as a reference. Good times, good times.

  228. What if Billboard and HDD’s predictions differ a lot?

    Then people spend the next week debating them until the real SoundScan numbers come outl

  229. I wouldnt go as far as to call him a weasel’ ¦but if he is, hes got to be the best looking weasel Ive ever seen

    You didn’t say anything about the “opportunistic” part. :)

    Adam has said all along he’s an artist AND a businessman.

  230. Cooks fans were genius at breaking down the HDD numbers. I hope some of them do that for Adam’s numbers next week. HDD is really tough to figure out.

  231. I think there’s alot of Weasel love going on. Especially the opportunistic type of weasel. What ever he sells he’s my favorite Idol and the most talented ever on the show IMO and I’ve watched all seasons, I’ve loved others true (Taylor and Cook) but Adam has my heart.

  232. (calm down, I think he’s an opportunistic weasel, but this isn’t me being a h8ter) because he’s coming off a Black Friday week.

    Actually you’re right Kirsten, that’s a compliment coming from you

  233. Bitter? No, I’m angry and disappointed that artists who are all about the music and nothing else are secondary to this circus clown.

    That’s no way to talk about Subo ;-)

  234. Kirsten
    11/25/2009 at 12:22 am

    What if Billboard and HDD’s predictions differ a lot?

    Then people spend the next week debating them until the real SoundScan numbers come outl

    OMG please let them be within the same rage…I don’t know if I could go through a week of debating this topic. Kirsten how do you and MJ do it. OMG bran new respect for both of you…. :-)

  235. jpfan
    11/25/2009 at 12:24 am

    Cooks fans were genius at breaking down the HDD numbers. I hope some of them do that for Adam’s numbers next week. HDD is really tough to figure out.

    Heh. That was me (at least in part). [Takes a bow.]

  236. It’s the media’s role to bring new music and underrated acts to the public, but they aren’t doing that, because they would rather not do their homework.

    The media has only two jobs, and one of them, not really any more. The media is there to inform and the media is there to make money for itself, no one else. Now it used to be that the news divisions at TV stations weren’t as subject to the same kind of pressure for revenue as the rest of the TV station, but that changed (for the worse, in my opinion).

    As it stands no, the media doesn’t have any kind of obligation to discover new acts or distribute time equally or whatever.

    Besides which in the course of being profitable, the media is lazy and stupid.

    But I don’t see what they has to do with the price of tea in China?

  237. FolkFan, I bow my head in respect. Do you crunch numbers for a living?
    Have a degree in calculus? For real.

  238. Suzanne
    11/25/2009 at 12:11 am
    I wonder why people are buying Susan Boyle’s Cd?

    Because the demographic that would buy Susan Boyle’s Cd has no clue how to steal it. Not that I do either – never would try BUT the industry is suffering because of it.

  239. Mick Jagger according to a UK newspaper gave Susan Boyle’s rendition of Wild Horses a thumbs up.

    So Keith has started sharing the good stuff, and by that I mean his father’s ashes, with Mick now? Explains a lot.

  240. I love this paragraph from the Billboard article…. :)

    “Meanwhile, Adam Lambert’s shenanigans on the American Music Awards may have upset the sensibilities of viewers and gatekeepers at ‘Good Morning America,’  which canceled his scheduled appearance on this morning’s show. However, the only impact his AMA performance has had on sales seems to have been positive. “

  241. progression:They’re sure going to try to imply that the controversy helped though, aren’t they? And the sad thing is that people will believe it, and it will encourage more talented musicians to think that the best way, maybe the only way, to be successful in the business is through faux controversy and boorish behavior. Too bad all the way around.

    You make a valid point and I am one who truly appreciates musical integrity over publicity stunt bullshit but there were some elements in his performance that were out of his control, eg him falling and then the adrenalin getting the best of him…the terrible sound mixing etc…
    could he have handled the situation better? absolutely.
    Did I like his performance? No and even though he is not overtly apologizing he has individually, when asked admitted his mistakes so one can conclude the performance could have been executed more smoothly and with more sophistication.
    He just doesnt want to apologize because he says he was trying to honor the lyrics of the song and entertain ppl and he accomplished that.
    Must go to bed now if I wanna catch that early show performance.

  242. If SuBo sells 700K albums next week, she’ll be the #1 story all over the entertainment shows, etc. Even if she “only” sells 600K she’ll be big news.

    Even if she drops 60% the second week, she’ll have a platinum album in 2 weeks if those numbers hold.

  243. Pretty impressive that he can sell that much with no hit single, virtually no radio play, everyone bashing him for being too gay – not gay enough, hyping him to no ends then berating him when he doesn’t meet their expectations. So, if Adam is an opportunistic weasel, why didn’t he stand there and sing a ballad, ala Mad World. Maximum exposure / no controversy / that sounds more opportunistic to me. It was his best seller on Idol. He could’ve become the male SuBo that way.

  244. Mick Jagger according to a UK newspaper gave Susan Boyle’s rendition of Wild Horses a thumbs up.

    Of course he did .. he wrote the song so is no doubt getting royalties from her sales

  245. I wonder if Susan Boyle would be so hated if she released her monster of a CD any other week heh.

  246. If SuBo sells 700K albums next week, she’ll be the #1 story all over the entertainment shows, etc. Even if she ‘only’  sells 600K she’ll be big news.

    Even if she drops 60% the second week, she’ll have a platinum album in 2 weeks if those numbers hold.

    Betcha those numbers hold, soon xmas will be upon us and what makes the best stocking stuffer of all? SuBo! Buying it is like a little xmas miracle come to life. *sniff*

  247. @Truthiness: that’s exactly my problem. The media doesn’t do squat. It’s this whole 24-hour-news-cycle mentality of feeding off of what’s hot currently and then replaying it until you can’t take it anymore. Balloon boy, anyone?

    Whatever the NY Times is parroting, everyone else will take their cues. I used to read Rolling Stone for music news, but since they pretty much just talk about the Jonas Brothers (because THEY SELL, shocker) and other acts that are popular but are absolutely not worth listening to, they’ve lost my subscription.

    /rant

    To tie this in with what we’re talking about, a lot of news outlets will pick up this information and use it as a justification of what happened at the AMAs (whoever screams the loudest is heard), may it be by spinning it as whatever Adam did didn’t affect his selling power, or whatever Adam did ADDED to his selling power. Either way, this information will be used by the media to emphasize their point that they stand behind Adam.

  248. I wonder if Susan Boyle would be so hated if she released her monster of a CD any other week heh.

    I haven’t been a fan of SuBo’s for months now. I liked her at first, but agreed with mj, she was incredibly overrated and wasn’t there musically as much as she was by her backstory.

    That being said, I do not resent her sales at all, if she can beat Eminen and Slim Shadey’s Mr. 17 rapes underneath his belt. faugh.

  249. And while I am a huge Eminem fan, it is pretty funny for a deranged cat lady to outsell both Mr. 17 rapes and Mr. AMA blow job in the same week. :) Okay, now I’m getting silly and it’s time to go to sleep.

  250. However, the only impact his AMA performance has had on sales seems to have been positive. ‘

    How can Billboard possibly know that? The AMAs may have had a negative impact. His sales may have been even bigger in the absence of the “shenanigans.” There is no way to know.

    Spin, indeed. Yes, the media love Adam.

  251. Are u kidding me? subo will go gold in a week!!!. I am totally baffled.

  252. To me the Susan Boyle situation says Adam and Kris would have done so much better if they just did whole album of cover songs. (please no snide remarks that Kris did or Adam has demo rejects) I really think Susan takes away from artist trying to give original work. I think she has a pleasing voice but no real expression to it. Regardless have more issues that she is doing an album of known songs and then people are trying to compare that to original work by Adam. I guess that is where the music industry is going to become, with the success of Susan Boyle and the Cast of Glee (Love them by the way), Next year we will get a bunch of artist just doing entire albums of remakes of old classics. Oh exciting…can’t wait.

  253. My sincere congratulations to Adam. I guess as MJ said, publicity whether good or bad sells. I don’t like the way it all played out, but that’s merely my opinion. The one constant is Adam can sing. Again, congrats.

  254. To tie this in with what we’re talking about, a lot of news outlets will pick up this information and use it as a justification of what happened at the AMAs (whoever screams the loudest is heard), may it be by spinning it as whatever Adam did didn’t affect his selling power, or whatever Adam did ADDED to his selling power. Either way, this information will be used by the media to emphasize their point that they stand behind Adam.

    Honestly, if Susan sells that much, she will dominate the headlines the following week. Adam will probably get a mention for selling well, but everything will be about Susan. She’ll go platinum by the end of the year.

  255. jpfan
    11/25/2009 at 12:38 am

    And while I am a huge Eminem fan, it is pretty funny for a deranged cat lady to outsell both Mr. 17 rapes and Mr. AMA blow job in the same week. :) Okay, now I’m getting silly and it’s time to go to sleep.

    Are you here for our Entertainment…. This had me giggling.

  256. . Either way, this information will be used by the media to emphasize their point that they stand behind Adam.

    The media isn’t standing behind Adam. Parts of the media have been ripping him to shreds for two days now. The media cares about the media, if Adam Lambert gets them ratings, or sells magazine covers, or gets them buzz/sells advertising, than that is what the media cares about. Whether it would be supporting Adam or tearing him down. Whatever makes them money.

    Sometimes the best thing is to be out of the glare of the media, really, because the media is a shark.

  257. Trina
    11/25/2009 at 12:34 am
    I wonder if Susan Boyle would be so hated if she released her monster of a CD any other week heh.

    I don’t hate her – just her music. Never got the hype. Some say the exact thing about Adam or whoever. To each their own.

  258. The media would do well to treat everyone on the same level that they treat established artists AND ones with ‘wide fanbases’ .

    Sorry I disagree. This isn’t little league where everyone gets a trophy. There are varying levels and talent and varying levels of charisma and the media is going to be drawn to those artists who exhibit and abundance of both because that is what SELLS to the general public. when I said widest fanbase, I meant the most public interest.

    Hate to endorse the ‘opportunistic weasel’  (tm Kirsten) with a first-week sale. But I do like the album, so may get it next week.

    But if you were already planning on buying the album that’s not “endorsing” his performance. If you hadn’t planned on buying it and then decided to buy it after seeing the perfomance that would be an endorsement of the performance. It’s good that you still plan on buying the album though, and the second week drop might be helped by people who feel like you do, that you don’t want it to seem as if he’s being rewarded for that performance.

  259. Seems like I…may be getting testy(is that a word ?)with all the ADAM,ADAM,ADAM! So I said to myself…I won’t read the threads that have anything to do with him. Sooooo…not too much read anymore. Guess I go watch me some TV.

  260. Either way, this information will be used by the media to emphasize their point that they stand behind Adam.

    Didn’t ABC just canceled Adam’s GMA concert like 12 hours ago?

  261. Trina
    11/25/2009 at 12:34 am
    I wonder if Susan Boyle would be so hated if she released her monster of a CD any other week heh.

    I don’t hate her whatsoever…..no matter what the week, I would not get her appeal and monstrous sales. I just think she is hurting artist who are putting out original work. Susan Boyle is in a bubble all her own. Except for her first performance I never liked her. Also talk about manipulation of the media do any of you really believe that this woman really had a breakdown. I think this is all part roll out that plays into her fragile frumpy trying to make good image. She has an appealing voice that is that much more appealing with her backstory and tragedies that follow. If she really was as fragile as what was reported she would in no way be ready to embark on a worldwide media roll out so soon.

  262. Truthiness
    11/25/2009 at 12:43 am
    . Either way, this information will be used by the media to emphasize their point that they stand behind Adam.

    The media isn’t standing behind Adam. Parts of the media have been ripping him to shreds for two days now. The media cares about the media, if Adam Lambert gets them ratings, or sells magazine covers, or gets them buzz/sells advertising, than that is what the media cares about. Whether it would be supporting Adam or tearing him down. Whatever makes them money.

    Sometimes the best thing is to be out of the glare of the media, really, because the media is a shark.

    We agree on the media only looking out for the media, but I disagree that they aren’t standing behind Adam, because they are. The media loves controversy, and they love to wag their fingers and remind people that they are right. From what I have read so far (The LA Times, Washington Post, E! Online, etc) it seems the majority of news outlets have decided that it’s best to echo Adam’s sentiments about there being a double standard with regards to sexuality onstage. If they chose to say “no there’s no double standard”, they risk being viewed as homophobic, which is apparently what you are nowadays if you were turned off by the AMA performance. There’s nothing that tarnishes a media outlet more than being labeled a crusader of bigotry.

    Also, let’s not forget, that the media was ready to print “ADAM LAMBERT WINS AMERICAN IDOL” on May 22 (was it? 26? Whatever, I don’t remember), and they were FOILED! By Kris Allen! LOL So this is their opportunity to say “hey, I told you so!”

    But that’s JMO, of course.

    BeckyMD
    11/25/2009 at 12:50 am
    Either way, this information will be used by the media to emphasize their point that they stand behind Adam.

    Didn’t ABC just canceled Adam’s GMA concert like 12 hours ago?

    Yup, after which the CBS Early Show swooped in to fill the void. Wink.

  263. Trina
    11/25/2009 at 12:34 am
    I wonder if Susan Boyle would be so hated if she released her monster of a CD any other week heh.

    I called her a Beast! (in a good way)
    I commented “Good for her”.
    I’m not going to purchase her album, but I don’t hate her.

    Adam doesn’t have to be number 1 for me to be proud of him. He put out a great album and he is doing well in sales. I’m happy for him.

  264. Next year we will get a bunch of artist just doing entire albums of remakes of old classics. Oh exciting’ ¦can’t wait.

    People have been doing cover albums for years. Clay did one, Barry Manilow and Rod Stewart released entire collections of cover albums of classic songs, none of them sold in 1 week what Susan Boyle is going to sell. So just doing covers isn’t the key here to massive sales.

  265. Cheers to Adam! He took a risk, and it paid off! Very interesting that the blurb mentions that FYE outperformed sales expectations. I wonder what number RCA was expecting. Anyway, this should make the label and Adam’s fans very happy!

  266. Trina
    11/25/2009 at 12:54 am

    Next year we will get a bunch of artist just doing entire albums of remakes of old classics. Oh exciting’ ¦can’t wait.

    People have been doing cover albums for years. Clay did one, Barry Manilow and Rod Stewart released entire collections of cover albums of classic songs, none of them sold in 1 week what Susan Boyle is going to sell. So just doing covers isn’t the key here to massive sales

    Um yeah but all these people you mentioned first released original work. When Rod and Barry put out those albums was decades after putting out amazing original work. The fact that you are comparing Rod Steward and Barry Manilow to Susan Boyle…I have no words….. Beside Clay did have massive sales his first week over 600K so on par with Miss cat lady. (ok shower time I just defended Clay Aiken…..J/K)

  267. and the second week drop might be helped by people who feel like you do, that you don’t want it to seem as if he’s being rewarded for that performance

    Which he shouldn’t be rewarded and we’ll never know if he was. Maybe his sales would have been 250-300K if he had put in a decent performance vocally and more like his video and not the stupid, crassness of the AMAs? That is an excellent point.

    Anyhew I look forward to seeing him on Letterman and the CBS morning show, because it will just be him and the music and despite his being an OW, I still think he’s a good singer and I like the vast majority of his album, so that’s all that matters to me. Though I would rather he shoosh for a while and just look pretty and make pretty music. Though Music Again is like my least favourite song, so disappoint he’ll be singing it tomorrow on CBS. Would have liked Pick U Up or Broken Open.

  268. “So, let’s throw in an extra day! Let’s throw in two! What does that get him up to?” — Tiger 92

    Comments like that makes it hard for people to be happy for Adam and his fans. Still cocky even now. This is one week’s sales prediction. Didn’t Taylor Hicks sell 500k his first week? I can understand being pleased and relieved, but mean-spirited and cocky… not kind at all.

  269. And while I am a huge Eminem fan, it is pretty funny for a deranged cat lady to outsell both Mr. 17 rapes and Mr. AMA blow job in the same week.

    Susans album is full of covers which is a very safe approach, but I also think her success speaks to how pop culture/music industry in general is so starved for genuine talent and great singers…we live in an era where everything is so overdone, overproduced on a large-scale for the masses and technology is the facilitating factor…everything is so OTT and in your face its just distasteful eventually…so ppl crave the more genuine, heartfelt low-key performances
    (such as Kris Allens Heartless rendition) as a backlash against what is going on currently in Pop music as far as performances and sexual behavior because frankly its almost caricature-esque at this point (and Adam sadly contributed to this)…
    the art of subtlety and simple, sincere expression has been lost and I think that the reason why Adam handled Idol so brilliantly is because he balanced the two forces with his performances…
    he even said hs MV is less graphic and I think I prefer it that way because its subject to interpretation and in some ways it means the artist is trusting the audience to judge and decide for themselves, t come up with a unique perspective instead of this “ok let me spell this out for you” type attitude…whereas the AMA performance was so in your face it seemed forced, too declamatory and even dated.
    we dont want the “male version” of Madonna we want a new artist.
    Im sure Adam will change up the game now.

  270. I see FYE the single has moved up on the overall chart from 35 to 32.

  271. Organic
    11/25/2009 at 1:01 am

    I see FYE the single has moved up on the overall chart from 35 to 32.

    Maybe the video is having an effect of some kind?

  272. Adam might be tracking to a nice week — but it is just a forecast — and since Adam fans are very passionate, they may have been more likely to purchase their albums early and thrown off the model. I still believe that 200,000 units week one would be a miracle — and is unlikely. Remember, he was the runner up on Idol.

    The iTunes pass screwed Kris, so I don’t know if that should be used as a positive note for his sales.

    How did they iTunes pass screw Kris? — every Pass included 1 album sale unit. They apparently just didn’t sell very many passes. Looks to me like Kris’ fans either don’t buy a lot of music or there aren’t very many of them.

  273. FYE has been moving up the chart since the AMA performance, and then the release of the MV gave it another push.

    I seem to recall a couple of other artists who didn’t get any radio support but sold well — Madonna and MJ. Well may FYE is retro 80’s in marketing, too.

  274. Mick Jagger according to a UK newspaper gave Susan Boyle’s rendition of Wild Horses a thumbs up.

    A thumbs up, eh? I don’t care if he was so thrilled with her rendition that he gave her a good shagging. I still think her cats could have done something more interesting with it. (Susan Boyle’s cats sing the rock classics! Coming soon to QVC…)

  275. it seems the majority of news outlets have decided that it’s best to echo Adam’s sentiments about there being a double standard with regards to sexuality onstage.

    Perhaps because this is true. It is possible that the consensus is that a double standard of acceptance is true, and so people acknowledge it in the face of this controversy. Surely you can accept that this proposition is at least as likely (if not moreso) as the notion that all those expressing this view are motivated by fear of backlash rather than simply speaking their view (or the truth as they see it.)

  276. No such thing as bad publicity? Lol, you’re probably joking. The horrid album cover, the general lack of discretion, and that terrible performance really cut his album’s sales potential. It’s like his management is letting him call the shots… I seem to recall him saying that he had a lot of freedom. I say he hadhas too much of it.

  277. I thought Adam’s performance was amazing. This whole firestorm over the kiss and sexual antics, has not hurt Adam one bit when it comes to album sells. I have no doubt that any loss of Adult buyers is compensated by new teen buyers. This whole controversy and parents ranting about how horrible Adam is and should be banned from t.v., has just made him more attractive to teenagers. Teenagers who never gave Adam a thought, have watched this video, some hate it, but some will love his fearless style and outrageous persona. There is nothing teens find more attractive, than the forbidden fruit, and Adam is a whole bushel of it. This new video is so hot and sexy, which will lure people into listening to more of his album. CBS was smart grabbing Adam for a performance and interview, because it’s going to be a ratings grabber. Plus, it ties in well with his appearance on Letterman.

  278. Michael Sarver probably became my fourth favorite Idol contestant this season. Total respect.

    Well, good for Adam, but this makes me worry about Kris because people will be comparing him and saying stuff like “Kris is nice, but Adam is the real Idol winner” or “Kris is the guy who beat Adam Lambert, but that’s it”, stuff along those lines D:

    I somewhat regretfully added to that 200k, but not entirely regretful.

    Also, my mom said she didn’t like what Adam did two days ago but will still listen to his music. Good mommy. I kinda missed her “hating” me because I’m a Kris fan, and I liked having a Glambert mommy.

  279. This is one week’s sales prediction. Didn’t Taylor Hicks sell 500k his first week? I can understand being pleased and relieved, but mean-spirited and cocky’ ¦ not kind at all.

    Hey, I was just coming to say…again, because man I REALLY mean it, these are still two days and we still don’t know from tomorrow’s HDD data and we REALLY don’t know what will happen at the end of the week. Adam’s sales could not just fall off a cliff next week, they could later this week. I still don’t think that Adam is going to move in the physical stores the way our beloved SuBo it. Not even. Not with that stupid ass cover and controvery. I’m just not seeing it.

    So yeah, cocky is NOT something for this Adam fan who still thinks this number is waaaay too early and waaaay to be so high accurately.

    And this Adam fan would have been happy with numbers like 75-80K. I know, total failure. Don’t care. I think Kris’s numbers were okay and Adam’s coming behind him would have been okay with me.

    Oh and I think Kirsten her non-avowed h8ter talk (swears!) for OW is right that even IF Adam got these numbers, his drop off next week will probably be even steeper than the usual idol drop off.

    Oh and lastly I still think that Adam and Kris both put out pretty solid albums and I want them both to do well financially and artisically, however that happens.

    I know! It’s crazy but I still like Adam (despite his being EBIL) and I still like Kris (I guess Adam fans aren’t supposed to do this?), because that’s the way I roll.

  280. Sometimes the best thing is to be out of the glare of the media, really, because the media is a shark.

    The media builds you up, and then tears you down.

    I think it’s funny, in a way, that the Katzenfrau is whupping Eminem in album sales. Not all those sales are mercy buys, I’ll bet.

    Nice that Adam’s album is exceeding sales expectations. It’s such a great album. Maybe talent means something after all.

    In the media yesterday and today, it was ADAM, ADAM, ADAM. Must be driving the Adam-dislikers CRAZY, CRAZY, CRAZY.

    I zipped in to Wal-Mart on Monday to buy FYE. At 2:45pm, they had four copies left, not that that means anything necessarily…

  281. Just imagine how many more CDs Susan Boyle could have sold this week if she’d done a sexy dance on the AMAs.

    Brain bleach is in aisle 7.

  282. However, the only impact his AMA performance has had on sales seems to have been positive. ‘

    How can Billboard possibly know that? The AMAs may have had a negative impact. His sales may have been even bigger in the absence of the ‘shenanigans.’  There is no way to know.

    Spin, indeed. Yes, the media love Adam.

    Literally speaking, I suspect that your correct in saying that BIllboard can’t possibly know that the only impact was positive. But my guess is that it isn’t spin so much as just sloppy writing. What they probably meant is not that the only impact was positive, but that the overall impact was positive, and that I can believe. This story was at the top of lots of news outlets, so it almost certainly reached tons of people who had never heard of Adam Lambert, or who had no idea that he had an album coming out, and certainly that had not watched the AMA. So it’s easy to imagine that of those people, who otherwise would not have been buying the album, a significant number did buy it after this publicity.There were probably also some who had no idea about him or the album, read the stories, were turned off and therefore didn’t buy, but that segment was already part of the “don/t know and won’t be buying”. So it’s very possible that enought new people heard and decided to buy to offset any ones who planned to buy but changed their minds. We’ve seen here already that there are lots who planned to buy, were very turned off, but bought anyway.

    In any case, all of this: the AMA performance, the brouhaha over it, the album sales, seem somewhat peripheral to me. His big work is to make good music, and the rest is really a just a tangent. I’m having trouble judging the quality of the album (aside from the fact that I’ve not found time yet to hear the whole thing) because it’s so different than my usual taste. There’s a few songs that I instantly liked, a few I expected to like but really found to be “meh”. It’s interesting reading the reviews that say this is different than anything else on the radio. Interesting to see how that plays out in short term and long term acceptance.

  283. Well when you can buy 10 cds for $10 dollars I guess you will have big numbers.

  284. I still think her cats could have done something more interesting with it. (Susan Boyle’s cats sing the rock classics! Coming soon to QVC’ ¦)

    Synergy is happening now…the xmas carols as sung by Susan Boyle’s cats.

    Sure you’re heard hideous version of xmas carols as done by cats in the past, by they don’t have backstory by proximity the way that SuBo’s cats do.

    Thrill to the mewlings and yowlings of cats that once had no one but a crazy gal with bad clothes and wiskers of her own!

    Cry like you had no milk and were All Alone In The Moonlight!

    Gnash your teeth when you realize that your office secret Santa got you a copy that you can’t return.

  285. I really hope this is true, that album is amazing, seriously amazing.

    I hadn’t been around here today, but I have one doubt, is it true/official that the GMA show has been re-scheduled after the cancellation?

    Thanks in advance :).

  286. MalwareDie
    11/25/2009 at 1:06 am
    No such thing as bad publicity? Lol, you’re probably joking. The horrid album cover, the general lack of discretion, and that terrible performance really cut his album’s sales potential.

    WOW I want your crystal ball/time machine how cool that you can go backwards and forwards in time and see what the outcomes of different events will be. I WANT ONE…

  287. I seem to recall a couple of other artists who didn’t get any radio support but sold well ‘” Madonna and MJ. Well may FYE is retro 80’s in marketing, too.

    Q3, where do you get this stuff? Madonna and MJ not getting radio support? They have always been radio darlings.

  288. jammastra – I’m an Adam fan and I, for one, will NOT be comparing Kris to Adam. Kris won AI and no one can take that title away from him. I wish Kris the very best and think he will have a solid career. They are two totally different artists who appeal to different fanbases. No point in continuing to pit them against one another. Both are talented in their own ways.

  289. I hadn’t been around here today, but I have one doubt, is it true/official that the GMA show has been re-scheduled after the cancellation?

    The GMA has not been re-scheduled. Adam will be however on the CBS morning show tomorrow. Well today, depending on what timezone you’re in.

  290. It is possible that the consensus is that a double standard of acceptance is true, and so people acknowledge it in the face of this controversy.

    Excellent point. I’ve not made a tally regarding musical performances, but it’s patently obvious in the rest of entertainment. One example: nudity to the degree that is illegal on a public street or beach is constantly being shown in movies, so long as it is female nudity. Male nudity is almost always within boundaries that would be acceptable on a public street or beach and is loess common in general in movies and magazines. Similarly with same sex pda’s. IMO, the double standard isn’t even a question, it’s a fact. Whether Adam’s performance falls within that, is, of course, a question.

  291. This is great news for Adam, if it turns out to be true. It seems a high to me, but I’m just going off the fact that the album hasn’t really moved at all on iTunes. It’s been just sitting there at #5 for the better part of 24 hours. Either the amazon.com numbers are really really high, or a bunch of people ordered through his official site. And of course we’ll have to wait and see what happens in the weeks to come, whether the sales will remain good or whether they will drop rapidly. But still, congrats to Adam! I downloaded my copy of his album yesterday, and I’m enjoying it very much.

    The Susan Boyle story will get all the headlines, but Adam should still get props if this prediction is anywhere close to reality. I’m just dreading all the nasty Kris vs. Adam comparison articles that are likely to come out.

  292. And Q3 went out on a limb. At no time in that thread did any one suggest that 200K ‘“ or over! ‘“ was a more likely possibility.

    What are you talking about? I predicted 250-300K and backed it up with my reasons for it. Okay, so I overestimated but I just knew the lowball estimates in the sub-100k and sub-120K were ridiculous given the amount of promo Adam was getting/would be getting, the hype/buzz from the media, the positive effects of releasing the same week as GaGa, my hunch that his fans were generally album buyers (vs. singles buyers) and just generally, the ubiquitousness (ubiquity?) of his fans. Hah! See!

  293. Sure you’re heard hideous version of xmas carols as done by cats in the past, by they don’t have backstory by proximity the way that SuBo’s cats do.

    Thrill to the mewlings and yowlings of cats that once had no one but a crazy gal with bad clothes and wiskers of her own!

    Cry like you had no milk and were All Alone In The Moonlight!

    Gnash your teeth when you realize that your office secret Santa got you a copy that you can’t return.

    Muwah!!!! Featuring such holiday classics as….

    Santa Catnip Is Coming To Town

    Frosty the Milkman

    White KittyLitter

    Oh Come All Ye Ferals

    and much, much more!

  294. Well when you can buy 10 cds for $10 dollars I guess you will have big numbers.

    Sorry! It’s already been discussed and cited with Soundscan rules that discounted sales of more than 50% don’t count at all. So, those Amazon, bargain sales are not even in the estimates. They are probably even hurting his sales figures.

  295. I don’t know if the iTunes pass “screwed Kris”, but it doesn’t seem to have helped him. Was it even advertised after the first couple weeks following the finale as an option for people to purchase? I don’t remember seeing the banner for it up on iTunes after the month of June. And I read a lot of complaints on this board about how people who purchased the iTunes pass couldn’t even download Kris’ album when it was released. So whether it had any real bearing on the sales totals, I would call it a failure in terms of custoer satisfaction and as a marketing tool. Hopefully they get rid of it and find another way to give fans the “extras” like behind the scenes interiews and tour footage. Maybe simply put this stuff up on the official site (of whichever Idol) and/or on iTunes and charge a small fee (similar to the price of a single) for it.

  296. The GMA has not been re-scheduled. Adam will be however on the CBS morning show tomorrow. Well today, depending on what timezone you’re in.

    Thanks Truthiness!

  297. BTW, FYE is at the #10 overall spot at the Mexican iTunes Store. I don’t know if he’s being played on radio, I don’t ever listen to the local stations, but that position is really, really good for a debut act, considering there’s more competition with the local releases.

  298. By the way, the version of FYE that is at #32 on the iTunes chart is the ALBUM version — not the one listed on iTunes as being a single — so if I understand this correctly, those sales would NOT count in determining the sales for FYE the single (the version listed as his single is at #131 on the chart)?

    The reverse is the case for Kris’ 2 versions of LLWD — the version released as the single is at #50 on the iTunes chart, while the version people are downloading off the album is at #190

  299. I don’t know how that could be right, girlygirl, because it was charting at that spot before the album released. I’d say i-Tunes has it backwards.

  300. The Susan Boyle story will get all the headlines, but Adam should still get props if this prediction is anywhere close to reality. I’m just dreading all the nasty Kris vs. Adam comparison articles that are likely to come out.

    Well IF these numbers are true, and I agree girlygirll, it seems really unlikely to me that they are. I would not be surprised at all to see HDD’s numbers tomorrow be much lower, but I will be happy for SuBo’s monster sales and crushing the competition, yes, Adam included, if that means a little less of the annoying Kris vs. Adam stuff in the media. blech. I’m telling ya? Subo just makes xmas miracles happen all around her! Maybe I should buy her album after all.

    Nyaaah.

  301. I still think her cats could have done something more interesting with it. (Susan Boyle’s cats sing the rock classics! Coming soon to QVC’ ¦)

    Don’t laugh. Didn’t Simon once put out a CD where dogs barked out pop hits?

    The way she’s selling I’m becoming terrified that someone is going to give me SuBo’s album for Christmas. I think people know me well enough to know I wouldn’t want it but they know I like reality shows like Idol. I’m scared of it turning up under my tree.

  302. The iTunes pass screwed Kris

    What?? The iTunes pass was available the day after the finale, when Kris’ popularity would have been at its highest. The iTunes pass should have generated a huge amount of sales from his die-hard fanbase.

  303. That’s good numbers. I think I projected 150-200k, so it’s a bit higher than that and could go higher still potentially.

    One thing you cannpot take away from RCA – and Lambert’s media fans: they have handled this launch superbly.

  304. The way she’s selling I’m becoming terrified that someone is going to give me SuBo’s album for Christmas.

    My SIL called me, tonight, to tell me not to buy SuBo for our MIL for Christmas as she’d already done it. LOL!! My MIL probably has no clue who SuBo is. But she seems to be the perfect Christmas gift.

  305. The iTunes pass screwed Kris

    What?? The iTunes pass was available the day after the finale, when Kris’ popularity would have been at its highest. The iTunes pass should have generated a huge amount of sales from his die-hard fanbase.

    I agree Zsus, and I know many Adam fans preordered it because of the tour videos that was included.

  306. PattyH

    Maybe…god knows the iTunes charts have been screwed up a lot of late. But that’s what it said when I went on the site to check.

  307. Good outcome if it holds up. I mean it’s hardly the biggest album in the history of American Idol, but hey. Not bad. Oh, my bad. Was that supposed to be “biggest album in the history of American music?” Lol.

  308. And I read a lot of complaints on this board about how people who purchased the iTunes pass couldn’t even download Kris’ album when it was released. So whether it had any real bearing on the sales totals, I would call it a failure in terms of custoer satisfaction and as a marketing tool. Hopefully they get rid of it and find another way to give fans the ‘extras’  like behind the scenes interiews and tour footage. Maybe simply put this stuff up on the official site (of whichever Idol) and/or on iTunes and charge a small fee (similar to the price of a single) for it.

    While the process of the iTunes pass might need to be refined, I have to agree that cashing in on the Idols popularity right after their win, is a good marketing idea. And plus the idea of having access to extras is cool as well.

    And didn’t it have some advertising? a banner or maybe mentioned in articles. Seem to remember reading/hearing about it. Maybe even in conjunction with the show. Hmm.

    Anyhew, don’t see how it hurt Kris’s sales at all and ideally should have been a big boost. Though again, they should refine the process to make it smoother for the customer.

  309. I’m not going to get too excited about this yet, since it’s only a prediction, but I hope it’s true.

    Well when you can buy 10 cds for $10 dollars I guess you will have big numbers.

    How can you do this? The $3.00 credit Amazon gives you can only be used once, and can be used on any album in their media store. You could definitely use it on Kris’ album, if you wanted to. Amazon isn’t doing anything new for Adam. They’re not trying to screw over Kris. They do this all the time. Here is their twitter that announces their deal of the day.
    http://twitter.com/amazonmp3

    I also remember a sales promotion for Kris where you buy certain albums and you could get $2.00 off Kris Allen. This is also common and not something that was invented for Kris.

  310. I agree Zsus, and I know many Adam fans preordered it because of the tour videos that was included.

    Exactly. Did those tour videos ever happen?? What I think we all learned from the iTunes pass this season is that it’s probably a waste of money. But, that doesn’t take away from the fact that a bunch of Kris fans would have ordered it.

  311. The iTunes pass didn’t screw Kris, the ones who immediately put the ‘exclusive’ videos that came with the pass all over You Tube screwed him.

  312. The iTunes pass didn’t screw Kris, the ones who immediately put the ‘exclusive’ videos that came with the pass all over You Tube screwed him.

    Well it was a given that that was going to happen, so I bet Kris’ team expected that. I don’t think enough people saw those vids to make a difference in the sales of the Pass.

  313. I totally do not understand the difference between the “single” and the “single off the album.” Aren’t they the exact same thing? And why on earth would they chart differently?

    Isn’t it just a matter of where you click the link to make the purchase?

  314. The iTunes pass didn’t screw Kris, the ones who immediately put the ‘exclusive’ videos that came with the pass all over You Tube screwed him.

    That wouldn’t stop people from buying his album, though.

  315. Girlygirl: All versions of the single (whether they are tagged as “album version” or “single version”) that are purchased will count toward Soundscan/Billboard sales of the single.

  316. @FolkFan: Why do you know all this and why are you so awesome?

    Kthanksbye.

  317. The iTunes pass didn’t screw Kris, the ones who immediately put the ‘exclusive’ videos that came with the pass all over You Tube screwed him.

    How is that different from any other video? And sure, 19Evil maybe didn’t go after the YouTubes of it the way they did the performances of the show. But most of the time the performances from the show were on YouTube and yet people still bought them from iTunes. Well some people obviously didn’t.

    Well turning in, still think that 200k number has drugs in it’s weed.

  318. A little OT, but since we’re on the subject of Youtube, what is the policy of people who post download links for albums on Youtube? There’s been like, three channels on Youtube that post downloads for Kris’s album and it’s pissing me off. Isn’t 19 supposed to get on that?

  319. Well turning in, still think that 200k number has drugs in it’s weed.

    Except…. with all due respect.. don’t these people have a little more information than you, Truthiness?

  320. Girlygirl: All versions of the single (whether they are tagged as ‘album version’  or ‘single version’ ) that are purchased will count toward Soundscan/Billboard sales of the single.

    Yes, that’s right. I remember Kirsten explaining this several times when LLWD was listed at several spots on the iTunes chart.

  321. So whether it had any real bearing on the sales totals, I would call it a failure in terms of custoer satisfaction and as a marketing tool. Hopefully they get rid of it and find another way to give fans the ‘extras’  like behind the scenes interiews and tour footage. Maybe simply put this stuff up on the official site (of whichever Idol) and/or on iTunes and charge a small fee (similar to the price of a single) for it.

    On iTunes Canada, Kris’ iTunes Pass has been replaced by the deluxe version of the album at the same $16.99 price. It has everything that the Pass had, including No Boundaries, except for the autographed digital photo and photo booklet (no great loss as there are far better pics on kris-pics.net). iTunes also added the LLWD music video to the deluxe version. This video wasn’t included with the iTunes pass but after complaining (and explaining) to iTunes Canada support, I was given 2 video credits to purchase the video myself. I presume the 2nd credit was to help ensure ongoing customer goodwill.

  322. @RemusL: I, too, emailed iTunes and asked them why I got double charged for “Live Like We’re Dying” when I had the iTunes pass but it didn’t download the thing until a week after the song was released. iTunes was pretty prompt in their response, but I’ve heard other people still haven’t been able to download the songs from their pass, and they actually just resorted to buying the hard copy (which is probably good for Kris, but such an inconvenience for the customer).

    Anyhoo, I know Weezer’s album is also on an iTunes pass or something, so hopefully iTunes irons this thing out before customers have to report a problem again.

  323. Except’ ¦. with all due respect.. don’t these people have a little more information than you, Truthiness?

    I would think so since it is there profession & expertise to track and report through charts, positions of album sales rankings. :)

  324. I dunno, did anyone see my comment about the Youtube stuff?

    If Adam’s album was put on Youtube with links for downloading it (illegally), isn’t 19 obligated to get on that and have the account deleted or something? Or is this thing normal for all artists?

  325. If Adam’s album was put on Youtube with links for downloading it (illegally), isn’t 19 obligated to get on that and have the account deleted or something? Or is this thing normal for all artists?

    I would think so. Seems like it could almost be reported to youtube…maybe check for somewhere on there site to send use violations like that to?

  326. I guess that is where the music industry is going to become, with the success of Susan Boyle and the Cast of Glee (Love them by the way), Next year we will get a bunch of artist just doing entire albums of remakes of old classics. Oh exciting’ ¦can’t wait.

    Top 40 radio these days is already full of hiphop songs that are either remakes of classics (e.g. Toto’s Africa) or re-use (i.e. steal) sound samples from well-known hits.

  327. I seem to recall a couple of other artists who didn’t get any radio support but sold well ‘” Madonna and MJ. Well may FYE is retro 80’s in marketing, too.

    Madonna not getting radio play? For this year Madonna is the #8 artist on AC with 98308 spins YTD. She is the #44 artist on Hot AC with 48248 spins. Even on CHR she is #185 with 6607 spins. I’m not even going to guess what Madonna’s radio play was in her hey day. But I know she has 55 CHR hits including 15 number #1s and 38 Top 10s.

  328. RemusL
    11/25/2009 at 3:29 am

    Top 40 radio these days is already full of hiphop songs that are either remakes of classics (e.g. Toto’s Africa) or re-use (i.e. steal) sound samples from well-known hits.

    THANK YOU. Jesus Christ that Jason DeRulo song that pretty much capitalized off of Imogen Heap’s “Hide and Seek” pisses me off. I can’t believe that guy is topping the charts with that ridiculous song, while Imogen never even got close to a top 40 hit. Grrrr. This is why I hate radio.

  329. Do Adam’s numbers includes sale everywhere, on both versions of the album and not just the deluxe?

    Word of mouth will help this albums sales. It is very very good.

  330. Yeah, mr I’m with you and adamahola.I’m all for peace wherever……!!, and I’ll also hope for the end of racism and bigotry……, from the lack of participation!!!!
    I am primarily an Adam fan, but I really adore Kris and Allison, and I like and respect Danny, Anoop,Mattie, Michael and the gorgeous girls. May they all
    find their measure of success from the platform of AI. They were all chosen over thousands and thousands of singers and the top 10 by the fans. This season,I am convinced will have the most to offer in Bankable talent!!!!!
    The competion only resides in a few who feel bitter and sad. One really should not keep too much of sad or bitter….detrimental to production of
    happy endorphins!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  331. THE BOTTOM LINE:

    Adam’s album is selling well because it is very very good. I think his lack of spins has been due to the fact that, unfortunately, they chose 2 of the WORST SONGS on the album for the initial release.

    WWFM, IIHY or IPYU would have all gotten huge spins because they are amazing songs.

  332. Wow SuBo is wow!

    So happy for Adam. And as someone asked a few pages back, no this does not make my life complete. As much as individuals want to think Adam fans wish ill on Kris, we don’t, well I certainly don’t. If Adam had not done well with his first week sales many here would have tagged his career as doomed, which is laughable to say about Kris or Adam. In a year both will still be here and relevant.

  333. CBS censured the gay kiss and showed the Christina/Madonna/Britney one. Does anybody still think there is no discrimination going on?

  334. I dunno, did anyone see my comment about the Youtube stuff?

    If Adam’s album was put on Youtube with links for downloading it (illegally), isn’t 19 obligated to get on that and have the account deleted or something? Or is this thing normal for all artists?

    email 19 and make them aware of it.

  335. Wow. I thought his album was disappointing, and Kris’ was better. Yet the sales speak otherwise.

  336. I think the Early Show appearance will really help Adam’s sales along. He was there practically all morning (except for weather breaks, Robin Williams, and a baby panda), and they played all different cuts from his album as they went to breaks.

    He looked fantastic, smiled beautifully, spoke articulately, joked kindly, thanked everybody, SANG LIKE THE INCREDIBLE SOB HE IS, rocked with the band and undoubtedly smelled good.

    The spring tour mention is really exciting, too.

  337. Finland: #1 pop chart, #2 general chart
    Denmark: #11 pop chart, #19 general chart
    Sweden: #7 pop chart, #9 general chart
    Norway: #26 pop chart, #79 general chart

    Other European countries:

    UK: #19 pop chart, #36 general chart
    France: #36 pop chart, #100 general chart
    Portugal: #3 pop chart, #6 general chart (both at #2 earlier)
    Holland: #40 pop chart, #71 general chart
    Ireland: #127 general chart

    Rest of world:

    New Zealand: #2 pop chart, #3 general chart
    Canada:#4 pop chart, #6 general chart
    Mexico: #8 pop, #15 general

    In Canada, these are the # for the deluxe album. The regular album is right behind at #5 pop and #10 in general chart

    GO ADAM!!! I think this is pretty awsome!!!

    Updated AGAIN with your info on new numbers, thanks! YEAH he’s still moving up!

    Wow congrats Adam!

  338. Good for Adam. He’s a sly one — really does know what he’s doing. OK, so he loses some people who find him offensive. But he has a sixth sense that there are many more folks who love his music, and his flamboyant fabulousness, and will follow where he leads…

    I’m still utterly confused about where these estimates come from — one says 80,000, another the next day says 200K. And in the end, it’s all guesswork anyway, right?

    Kris’s style of music still appeals to me much more, but I think that he made an album (like Taylor) that did not entirely play to his strengths. It seems like Adam, on the other hand, gave people what they wanted and expected while remaining true to himself…..

  339. LeHommeAdam- Thanks for the international updates. I find them very interesting. Is he available in Japan yet? Go Adam!

  340. LeHommeAdam- Thanks for the international updates. I find them very interesting. Is he available in Japan yet? Go Adam!

    I wonder if they might do a special, country-specific release for Japan. Since the language is so different and so on, that might make sense, and I think that Adam’s said that they’re looking at the UK and Japan, especially, for international promotions.

    Elliott did a special release for Japan, with a song available only on that album, recorded a duet with a Japanese pop star, etc., and it seems to have really paid off for him.

    I would be kind of surprised if they’re aren’t at least a couple of specific international rollouts later for Adam.

  341. Kris’s style of music still appeals to me much more, but I think that he made an album (like Taylor) that did not entirely play to his strengths. It seems like Adam, on the other hand, gave people what they wanted and expected while remaining true to himself’ ¦..

    Colette, I so disagree with this! Kris’s album is one of the best albums put out by an idol winner, imo. And wow, I can’t believe anyone would compare him to Taylor. He has so many catchy songs on there that fit on radio, regardless of whether it’s top 40 or HAC. I don’t think we can count Kris out yet. JMHO.

  342. *
    Winks8
    11/25/2009 at 2:18 am

    I totally do not understand the difference between the ‘single’  and the ‘single off the album.’  Aren’t they the exact same thing? And why on earth would they chart differently?

    Isn’t it just a matter of where you click the link to make the purchase?

    Yeah, but this happens all the time on Itunes. It must have something to do either with their internal accounting or with the e-sales platform they use. …

    Some people do release slightly different versions of their songs as singles for various reasons, though. So maybe this the reason that they treat single singles and album singles differently for everyone — just because that accommodates the folks for whom the two singles are a little different, and doesn’t hurt the others.

    … Plus, it does give you two places on the site to purchase songs that are released as singles…. Off a singles page and off an album page. So that almost amounts to a bit more marketing for a song, really.

  343. Sorry if it was already mentioned but I didn’t see it posted in the 15+ pages of earlier comments.

    So this would possibly put him at ~ 10/11th highest Idol debut album?
    Kudos to Adam.

    01. Clay Aiken ‘“ ‘Measure of a Man’ (Oct 14, 2003) ‘“ 612,859 (# 1)
    02. Ruben Studdard ‘“ ‘Soulful’  (Dec 9, 2003) ‘“ 416,569 (# 1)
    03. Carrie Underwood ‘“ ‘Some Hearts’  (November 15, 2005) ‘“ 314,549 (# 2)
    04. Daughtry ‘“ ‘Daughtry’  (November 21, 2006) ‘“ 303,677 (#2)
    05. Taylor Hicks ‘“ ‘Taylor Hicks’  (Dec 12, 2006) ‘“ 298,199 (# 2)
    06. Kelly Clarkson ‘“ ‘Thankful’  (April 15, 2003) ‘“ 297,000 (# 1)
    07. David ‘“ ‘David Cook’  (Nov 18, 2008) ‘“ 279,578 (#3)
    08. Fantasia Barrino ‘“ ‘Free Yourself’  (November 23, 2004) ‘“ 239,389 (#8)
    09. Bo Bice ‘“ ‘The Real Thing’  (December 13, 2005) ‘“ 226,976 (# 4)
    10. Jennifer Hudson ‘“ ‘Jennifer Hudson’  (September 30, 2008) ‘“ 217,185 (#2)
    11. David Archuleta ‘“ ‘David Archuleta’  (November 11, 2008) ‘“ 183,000 (#2)

  344. At 99 cents, which is what I paid at Amazon last night for it (after the $3 off coupon), I wouldn’t be surprised.

  345. SuBo is no mystery to me. She has a story, it sells. I think there are many childrens stories with similar storylines.

    The audience made faces at her when she came out. Simon doubted her abilities based on her looks. This is where it all started.

    A friend put an ad for a kitten in the paper. no calls. He then wrote up a cute story, the kitten nearly being killed,etc.(he wrote plays) Named it something to do with the story, can’t remember…he got tons of calls. The kitten with a backstory found a home.

  346. I so disagree with this! Kris’s album is one of the best albums put out by an idol winner, imo. And wow, I can’t believe anyone would compare him to Taylor. He has so many catchy songs on there that fit on radio, regardless of whether it’s top 40 or HAC. I don’t think we can count Kris out yet.

    I agree with disagreeing that Kris is done. I still think that Kris can be and will, be a commercially viable artist over the long run. As well as someone who remains artistically true to himself.

  347. LoveDaRocker
    11/25/2009 at 2:37 pm

    At 99 cents, which is what I paid at Amazon last night for it (after the $3 off coupon), I wouldn’t be surprised.

    Only at Amazon. And only the download. NOT the cd which sold it’s ass off at 30.00 on adam official. That’s called a loss leader and a strategic marketing move to gain in share when your revenue can take it. The record has been on Amazon for a long time at full price and selling it’s ass off. Now with controversy and media it’s the perfect time to fish for new market share from an unlikely source – AMAZON.

    Which as I recall, everyone here points out so diligently, is not a drop in the bucket for record sales. Or is that only when we were discussing Adam’s longstanding number 1-10 Amazon position?

  348. Thank you for reinforcing this point but there are a lot of people that just don’t get it, maybe not all states require a semester of Economics like they do in my state ‘“ it’s called a loss leader. Amazon is trying to woo people away from iTunes. Adam’s label will get their due, Amazon will absorb the loss and hope that people switch brands or at least pick up a few other items to make up for their bargain basement price.

    @revcat lol I just posted the same thing then paging back saw the bold loss leader and thought oh thank goodness someone knows what is going on. My entire life has been designing loss leaders in a fortune 200 then my own small business. LOL

  349. LoveDaRocker
    11/25/2009 at 2:37 pm

    At 99 cents, which is what I paid at Amazon last night for it (after the $3 off coupon), I wouldn’t be surprised.

    You can stop worrying because the price of Adam’s mp3 download on Amazon is now up to $10.99. Now it costs more than the hard-copy album, lol. Whew! Civilization is saved.

  350. Belated thanks, Starr! I discovered a hidden love of chart stuff last year when following DC, and a pack of spent a lot of time digging out answers to a lot of questions. Might as well share, you know?

    And, jpfan, heh. If you knew what my major was, you’d laugh. But I’m a lawyer, although I sometimes do get to play with numbers as part of the job.

  351. Kris’s style of music still appeals to me much more, but I think that he made an album (like Taylor) that did not entirely play to his strengths. It seems like Adam, on the other hand, gave people what they wanted and expected while remaining true to himself’ ¦..

    I completely disagree. I wanted and expected Adam to stick more to Idol Adam while having a mix of electropop/glam rock like he said he wanted to do, and I expected to like at least half of his album. Instead, I got little to no glam rock, an overdose of electropop, and liked maybe 5 songs. In my opinion, only 2-3 songs in this album are really up to par with his wonders like Ring of Fire, If I Can’t Have You, Whole Lotta Love, A Change is Gonna Come, Mad World, Play That Funky Music, etc.

    I know he has potential and an amazing voice, I’m just not seeing that here. He’s popular enough to get a second album, so hopefully he reaches into his potential where he can combine his Idol styles with the styles he put on his current album.

    But much respect to Adam and good for him that he’s hitting high sales.

    I’ll try to be positive and talk more about Soaked, because that song is so amazing, it gave me goosebumps and it made me sigh heavily and contently. OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG. Now THAT song I get. Please tell me someone else is totally in love with that song. Please? PLEASE? It makes me want to give Adam and Muse a great big hug.

    Also, I really do think it’s great that he’s selling well in spite of the controversies. But honestly I’m surprised that SuBo is outselling him. I like her, but geez, that is really intense.

  352. I love Soaked and Pick U Up …. PUU shows off his amazing vocal skills. Actually, I like all the songs.

  353. @colette: I disagree too about how Kris’s album doesn’t appeal to his strengths. What strengths might those be?

    I think Kris’s strong suit has always been his ability to connect with the listener with ANY song, and IMO he has accomplished that AND more with his album. “Bring It Back” almost sounds like the guy is in tears singing that song, “The Truth” is heart-wrenching, and I’m not gonna lie, “I Need to Know” has elicited plenty a bawling fit from me everytime I listen.

    It all depends on your attention span, I think. A lot of people have said they disliked Kris’s album because it was too boring and all the songs sounded alike. They probably only listened to all of them once in one sitting. Of course they will all sound the same, just like Adam’s and Allison’s records sounded the same to me on a first listen. But just like “Soaked” and “For Your Entertainment” are light years away from each other and could be used as proof that Adam has variety on his album, it can be said that “Alright With Me” and “I Need to KNow” are polar opposites on Kris’s album and can be used as proof that his album isn’t boring and it has some variety.

    Anyhoo, to get back on topic, I will be emailing 19 (thanks Squirelly for the link) about those illegal download links on Youtube. Don’t want anyone to lose out on a sale.

  354. I personally love every song on Adam’s album, the ones I didn’t like at first grew on me after I started listening to the lyrics and getting the feel of them.
    A solution I came up with to make it even better was to add all of his songs from Idol (I bought them the day they came out) and the new ones to one massive playlist on my ipod. Talk about variety :)

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