I’ve always said Randy Jackson would survive a Zombie apocalypse. Leaving American Idol? Nah. Jimmy Iovine is reportedly leaving the show where he served as in-house mentor for the last 3 seasons and Randy will slip into his place.

Randy was almost fired last season, but a last minute reprieve probably had EVERYTHING to do with Mariah Carey, whom he managed at the time, taking a seat on the judges panel.

The good news, is that Randy probably won’t suck as much in the mentor position. I just hope he sticks to real talk–puts away the cliches, and delivers some solid advice. He’s mentored contestants off show, like Brooke White, for instance. Randy may annoy us, but the contestants seem to really love him.

Jimmy Iovine leaving? Hm. I’d love to know what that’s all about. Maybe last year’s bust of a season was just too much for him to take.

The acerbic producer always played the straight talker via his post-performance critiques. I just hope whoever takes that third judges spot next to Keith Urban and Jennifer Lopez can lay a little truth on the contestants.

And this brand new Idol? Is looking A LOT like the old version. So much for sweeping changes.

Via Deadline.

 
  • Karen C

    I think this could be a good thing. A lot of the time I’ve agreed with Randy the past few years. It is also a connection to the history of the show. Maybe this is a step towards having some alumni come in as mentors, because Randy will know them.

  • dangrey

    I believe this only because I remember very well something Nigel Lythgoe may have said about Randy still having some sort of presence on the show. I would love for Jimmy to take that third seat at the judges table.

  • hellomusicgirl

    Lmaoooo what a crapstorm this show has become. I still love it but it resembles Days of Our Lives more than the American Idol that I first fell in love with. I hope they can somehow pull it together for the next season but I’m not gonna hold my breath. Please, prove me wrong guys.

  • Niall

    I don’t hate this. I think change is necessary but having a continuing link to the past is part of what helps maintain brand loyalty. Randy outlived his usefulness as a judge but I think he could be very good in a mentor role. He’s a studio producer and will definitely be in his element.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Jimmy Iovine lost interest? Considering he is still obliged to sign the winner, that’s not a good thing.

  • chloe18

    Combining my comments and Taylor’s from the other thread. Jimmy is leaving because he is in the middle of launching or getting ready to launch albums from a lot of high performing artists on Interscope right now Gaga, Eminem, Imagine Dragons, Robin Thicke, Ellie Goulding, Lana Del Ray, etc. Many of these artists have sold equal to or better than all of the idol alums the last two years combined. If Eminem has a successful album again, he alone could sell well over triple that of every artists off AI in the last two years combined. Even though Scotty and Phillip are doing well for coming of of idol, I think he realized he could not make as much money for his label off of idol as he thought he could and is instead choosing to devote his time to these upcoming albums.

  • MarySue

    Jimmy only gave “honest” critiques because he knew the results and read what the people were saying on blogs/message boards.

    I think next year will still look different, it’s not like Randy is returning to the judges table once again.

  • Karen C

    Another thought, maybe Randy coming in as mentor has more to do with what would make a better show, with the contestants they will have. Seems to me that Jimmy was more concerned what he thought would make a pop star, and not necessarily what would work for the show. So maybe the focus is less about what happens afterwards, and more about what would be best on the show itself.

  • MarySue

    So what does this mean for Interscope? Will they still be signing the winners, or will they use a new label?

  • Bugme Nomor

    “Guest mentor for the week — Harry Connick Jr. — and longtime judge Randy Jackson had a bit of a disagreement. The
    moment happened after Randy watched Kree Harrison perform ‘Stormy Weather,’ and during his commentary, he suggested she should have performed the Etta James version on the song. A clearly frustrated Harry was ushered into one of the judges’ chairs where he took Randy on, pointing out that Kree had trouble getting the melody down pat, and that she shouldn’t sing it like the legendary singer if she couldn’t get the melody right in rehearsals. Randy then told Kree she needed to, ‘always, just be you, baby,’ something Harry suggested was conflicting advice.”

  • H.A.

    Jimmy is seeing the writing on the wall. All his attention right now is his baby Gaga. Also he has a lot of up and coming artists who are getting HUGE buzz and are media darlings topping of with critical acclaims. Promo money and radio payola is going to be spent on these artist.

  • chloe18

    I agree. I also think the fact that there are so many big releases for Interscope right now does not bode well for Candice unfortunately. I had forgotten about this, but I had a friend who had a distribution deal through Interscope. It was during the time when Eminem was gearing up to release an album. He said basically everyone and all the resources at Interscope were focused on Em’s album and everything else was put on hold or given minimal resources during that time so they could focus on maximizing Em’s sales which they knew would be big.

  • tripp_ncwy

    robin Thicke’s cd is already out.

  • Bugme Nomor

    Jimmy Iovine also now has little to do with Interscope’s day-to-day operations. He brought in 35-year-old John Janick to be president and chief operating officer of Interscope last year.

    His interest lies in the Beats brand. I just made a long post about this that appears to have been deleted. Suffice it to say Beats sales grew from $200 million in 2010 to $1 billion last year. He and Dr Dre are seeking to buy out HTC, which has a 25% stake. They are launching a new streaming music service and expanding the line to speakers, car audio systems and consumer electronics.

  • zebracrunk

    I really wish Jimmy would stay, because his critiques were a highlight of results shows for me. Then again, if Randy can stop beating around the bush with his feedback and be blunt, he could do a great job in the role.

  • H.A.

    Jimmy holds all the purse strings for Interscope.

  • Karen C

    I think it might be like this with all major labels. I’ve heard something similar about RCA.

    I do think that at least in the past, the Idol winners debut albums might have been given more priority, because they got the albums recorded so fast. With Candice, if they do have a really strong single for her, it could help.

    Jimmy Iovine leaving the show might have nothing to do with if he signs or how he treats the winner if they are still under his label.

  • chloe18

    The success of beats is crazy. They’re no better than the other brands out there but they look nice and are a status symbol because of their price. I think they have a lot of similarities to Jordans including their marketing strategies about getting popular athletes and musicians to use them. Also it’s a brilliant strategy to put them in items like computers as a selling point. For me though, I think they’re overpriced and can’t see spending $200 on speakers when you can get a decent pair for $50. They are pretty though.

  • chloe18

    I agree that they’ll still support the album if they think it can be successful. I just think Interscope has a lot or big name artists either releasing soon or who just released along with some new artists who are taking off so it seems like it may be a hard time to compete for resources right now because those artists will be the main focus.

  • Bugme Nomor

    Check these numbers: “By this June, Beats had captured 59% of the U.S. market for premium
    headphones.That market, which includes all headphones and earphones costing at least $99, increased by 18% last year.”

    Beats is billion dollar company poised for growth. That’s clearly where his attention is.

    Earlier this summer, Iovine tried to raise $700 million from the credit markets to refinance debt and buy out HTC’s stake.

  • chloe18

    It makes sense. If it was me that’s where a lot of my attention would be lol. They do remind me so much of what Jordan and Nike have accomplished by taking over the sneaker market even down to having a top athlete at the helm the way beats has Dre. as a top musician and producer for the face of the brand

  • chloe18

    You’re probably right that a lot of his focus is here but I think he still has final power on a lot of the big artists. The other day Gaga was talking about how Jimmy was the one who wanted Applause as the lead single while she had wanted something else.

  • Bugme Nomor

    This is from 2011, when they introduced their wireless models:
    —————-
    During the introduction, (Iovine) shared the story of how Beats by Dre got started. “I was walking down the beach, you know, and when I ran into Dre and Dre choose his words carefully and he just said to me, ‘Hey man, my lawyer wants me to sell sneakers,’ and I looked at him straight and I said to him, ‘F— sneakers, let’s sell speakers,’ and he said, ‘Oh man, that sounds right.’”

  • Ellensue

    I thought we were finally getting rid of Randy, but NO, He’s still hanging around. His ship has sailed on this show! Time for him to GO!!!!

  • Sandy

    JLo and now Randy… “You are the weakest link”…

    Oh boy, let’s tune into the new and improved American Idol. Not!

  • thirdtime

    I like Randy and always have. His stupid lines he used when judging got old and stale though, so I’m definitely glad his stint as judge is over. I think I might like him in this new role.

  • Incipit

    Eh. If the show uses Randy the Barnacle to do a next day critique like they did with Iovine, then just get the same person to check out the reactions on the web and write it for him as they used for Iovine.

    Randy will get a bunch of great press for suddenly! becoming concise and articulate – and he can take over Iovine’s mantle for ‘all knowing arm chair quarter backing’.

    Whoever liked that feature will still have it – and Randy the Barnacle can stop shouting hyperbolic and contradictory tag lines at the contestants. Win/Win. If that is even possible on Idol anymore. SMH.

  • Not fit to print

    Same old, same old?

    I don’t think so. Mentoring is a different dynamic. Interacting with the contestants will necessarily bring out a different side of Randy. I bet we get a good sense from him of who is great to work with and who isn’t. You could certainly see how Jimmy felt.

  • Sassycatz

    I hope this means Iovine’s taking his over processed producers with him and their bag of tricks that sucks all the raw energy and individuality out of many of the performances and all of the studio recordings.

  • Not fit to print

    1000% agree. Total re-vamps are a crapshoot. Idol’s history is a substantial part of it’s brand. Randy is part of that.
    The new position will allow him to bring something new to the table – more interesting for him and maybe for us, too.

  • DragonFly

    Not a fan–appeared “know it all” to me & wanting performances his way, bragging “I know a good song from just a couple of notes” or some such. (Yes & Home that L–KY ex. for an Idol, ironically against what P2 wanted to sing). I think mentors sh have influence bec they’re successful in the bus. but the 1 shot contestants have, started out originally & still s/b, about THEIR choices ultimately. You have judges critiquing wkly & to me they didn’t need Jimmy & others trying to cram into them what they should sing & how to do it. It did make for more intimate contestant time for viewers tho.. & some don’t listen anyway lol. Suggestions yes, but many times it came off as ridicule from Jimmy imo in front of tv viewers & then no. Too pushy behind the scenes for his way also maybe?
    “…puts away the cliches” —THAT for Randy, or the DEAL is OFF lol!!!! But I agree it may be a way to let “multi please” alums appear w/him as a friendly sidekick. I like alums but performing rather than acting the role of “knowing it all now also” just from being on the show!

    It’s unusual for most in Jimmy’s field I would guess to get their image on tv weekly so I’d bet that might have been a factor he couldn’t resist in the beginning & maybe? doesn’t need that anymore? I hesitate bec no one knows if he’s returning in some other capacity on the show, he might be more willing to exit w/ the show in trouble?, not enough $$ to return? or Idol’s decision? Stay tuned for more I’d guess.

  • elliegrll

    This isn’t a good move. Jimmy was like an outsider, which, along with his personal success, gave his opinions some weight. It wasn’t a bad thing that it seemed like he copied his opinions off of message boards. Randy is just going to read the notes that the producers give him, so any thing that he says will be pointless.

    The show really isn’t doing anything different, or trying to lure in younger viewers. I don’t mind Randy staying, but he shouldn’t be the sole mentor, or the person responsible for critiquing the performances. At the most his screentime should be on performance nights, and just show him helping the contestants.

  • SajiNoKami

    Bye Randy… 5 minutes pass… welcome back Randy. How have you been? Amazing, it’s almost like you never left.

  • Incipit

    “Amazing, it’s almost like you never left.”

    *snerk* I know. How can we miss you if you won’t go away? Or maybe that’s the problem. What if no one missed him?

  • Amy Beth

    Either Randy has blackmail pictures of somebody at Fox or TV industry people are completely unimaginative, whether they are old or new.

  • Jaejae1

    Yeah.when I heard JLo was back and now Jimmy leaving, my excitement for the season is gone. I’m actually more excited to see the new judge panel for x factor.

  • jpfan2

    Too bad. Jimmy added some spice to the show. I don’t hate Randy but his act has gotten old. Now they def need an industry type to be the third judge. Particularly one who can be truthful.

    I don’t think bringing back JLo and Randy are horrible ideas though. Until this season, Idol was declining but not at Titantic levels. If they return the show to the ratings they had S11, I’m sure everyone would be thrilled.

  • jpfan2

    It’s pretty obvious that Candice is not going to have a blockbuster album no matter what. If they can get a solid single, she could have a decent opening and not a disaster. That’s the best they can hope for.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Well, it means Iovine thinks his time is better spent elsewhere than a TV studio, or in power struggles with TV producers.

    It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Interscope quietly reduced its “exclusive” to an option to sign the winner, rather than a mandatory signing.

  • Eric Ascher

    Welp. That sucks. Although people here don’t seem to like Jimmy, I found him to be the only one during seasons 10 and 11 to be honest with the contestants. I’ll miss that, especially because Randy seems like such a step down. I know I won’t be watching on TV this year and will be watching the performances online instead.

  • https://twitter.com/apezpril apezpril

    Good riddance! JMO.

  • CanadianLady

    While I liked hearing what Jimmy had to say most of the time, I think Randy will be a way better mentor. Lots of idol people have mentioned Randy’s help. Glad to see him in this position.

  • https://twitter.com/apezpril apezpril

    I do hope Candice will sell well

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Glover’s single would have to be a blockbuster in a niche genre, at this point. The soonest she could release a single would be 8/27 (next Tuesday) with 9/3 more likely.

    That latter date would give her just four weeks to get the song charting high enough to support a 10/8 album release. That’s not a realistic schedule. A couple years ago, when charts moved faster, six weeks was the effective minimum lead time to get a useful chart position, and eight was the norm.

    I voted for her, but my assumptions about her prospects as an artist were based on a launch that had reasonable lead times and good material.

  • Ronnie D

    Randy did better at judging during the last season. He does know the business and would be good mentor IMO.

  • Montavilla

    Good thought. :)

  • justmefornow

    LOL. Like a rat from a sinking ship.
    What happened to being able to “break” any artist with an audience of several million?
    This also doesn’t bode well for Candice’s upcoming album.Good luck Candice.

  • dante

    Nooooooo……….first JLo and now having to listen to Randy another year. I was so excited about the “changes” to “freshen the show”.
    I am the only one at my workplace who watches now. I was hoping the hyped “changes ” would draw some of my coworkers back in. Sigh……so disappointed.

    ETA: I liked Jimmy. Also love the chemistry of The Voice and AGT judges..

  • nncw

    Plus ca change … AI is stuck in a time warp- someone needs to rescue them, maybe Captain Kirk can rescue them.

  • chillj

    Oh, gawd, no!

  • chillj

    I love Jimmy. Just love him. Randy is a walking cliche.

  • HKfan

    Lets hope so.

  • cerise

    I agree. I think Randy might actually be a good mentor. There’s a reason why ex-contestants liked him and he seemed to have helped quite a few after the show too.

  • Incipit

    “So maybe the focus is less about what happens afterwards, and more about what would be best on the show itself.”

    Yes. That’s a thought. Iovine never really had a handle on Idol as a TV show – still doesn’t, IMO. He just thought he could do better than Sony.

    First he was gonna break a star because there were so many millions of viewers, because he didn’t realize that Viewers, Voters, and Purchasers were not synonymous. Then, that first season he brought in his Posse and spent more time producing the iTunes versions than he did with mentoring the 90 second cut for the show…cart before the horse…which he continued to do with the focus on who would be marketable for him, forgetting the fact that FIRST they had to win the show! (And the iTunes sales were underwhelming, when they did leak – )

    All those critiques after the fact had the same focus, to get the winner he wanted – and all those not so good songs he handed to contestants (“Change Nothing” ???) had the audience losing interest when they realized the contestants weren’t choosing the songs much anymore, or worse, they couldn’t tell who was responsible for what. (That’s my opinion, because that was my reaction to Iovine taking over the process.)

    TPTB created that segment for Iovine – if he doesn’t want to do it anymore – just drop it, IMO. I wouldn’t miss it.

  • koshka

    Tired format, tired song lists, tired judges, tired mentor… wow not feeling very optimistic. Prepare for some scathing articles to come out this season as the show viewership spirals downward.

  • halo9125

    Maybe Jimmy should have listened to Gaga. Isn’t Roar outselling Applause 2:1 or 3:1? Jimmy’s judgement isn’t as good as he seems to think it is. Good riddance.

  • Incipit

    Eilonwy, if they were to do that, what is the guaranteed prize to the winner? If they haven’t arranged for ‘somebody’ to sign them – it’s just an option, then there’s a credibility problem opening up like a chasm – I think.

  • Vetle Hovland

    As long as he doesn’t judge I don’t care.

  • DragonFly

    Randy’s relative good-guy connection on the show will be “somewhat” ok but he may be allowed to have even MORE comment time than just taking his turn on the judges panel. All joking aside–that c/b scary. Thinking maybe Jimmy’s seemingly last min. departure as mentor may be lvg. Randy as a quick fill-in. Maybe good-friend-to-Randy, Ryan Seacrest, wasn’t happy w/Randy’s push off the show & created some trouble for AI? (From a prior post) wondering also if Will-i-am’s not making judge via his goodwill friend Jimmy’s plug, that fur is really flying behind the scenes recently making for all these weird changes.

  • koshka

    He may, but the two questions in my mind that remain unanswered:

    1) Can he guide contestants in the market today vs 10/20 years ago? Has he produced any current artists?

    2) He may have all the knowledge in the world, but I haven’t seen him articulate it in any meaningful way? Will he do better with more than a sound bite?

  • LA944

    FIrst of all, I’m glad Jimmy is leaving. I think he and his crew really stifled the creativity of some of the performers. We could have seen some cool stuff out of certain contestants if it hadn’t been for Jimmy/his producers. The only person he allowed free reign seemed to be P2.

    As for Randy, big question mark. This is an opportunity for him to shift away some from his “dawg” image. He absolutely has to cut out all the stupid catch phrases and talk intelligently to the contestants. I like that he has at least helped out some of the less “poppy” contestants post idol. He is a good guy. Casey Abrams (who he hooked up w/Concord records) said in an interview that he’s different off the show. So, he needs to let go of the “Randy” character and be his real self.

  • Mateja Praznik

    I don’t think it really matters who picks the songs … People just want to be entertained. If a good song is picked for a contestant and the team behind the scenes prepares a good arrangement, no one will care if the contestant didn’t pick the song.

    The label obviously wants a marketable winner. The problem is, the most marketable contestant might not be the best singer or performer on the show or be appealing to Idol’s audience. Maybe it’s time to change the winner’s prize to cash and let the label decide if they want to sign anyone from the season. But I guess that would make the show less appealing to potential contestants.

  • Not fit to print

    Agree about the judges’ chemistry at AGT and The Voice.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Money? But it would be a weird situation if, for example, Interscope passed on the winner and signed another contestant from the same season (for example runner-up?).

  • Incipit

    Bugme Nomor – That wasn’t the first time – when HCJr was on in 2010 – he took issue with the judges and “Pitchy” – saying “The word pitchy does not exist, judges. We need to stop saying that…He’s singing out of tune. That’s how we say it. I gotta bone to pick with these judges about that stuff.”

    I don’t think those two would co-exist well on the same show for long – they have a ‘very’ differing approach to mentoring – Harry tells contestants things that might be helpful if they ever have actual careers in music. Jackson tells them platitudes. HCJr – is all learn what the lyrics mean, master the melody before you attempt to change it – as opposed to “sing the phone book”?

    No contest. IMO.

  • Incipit

    Well it certainly mattered to me, Mateja Praznick – maybe because I was totally not entertained by Iovine’s choices, and he and the posse squashing any originality that may have raised its head. There wasn’t a surprise in the bunch.

    But I think while the people who ‘just want to be entertained” certainly exist – they are only a segment of the audience – there are some folks watching who are interested in the artists and finding out what they may have to offer to music if we vote for them as well. The audience is not homogenous.

    IMO. Of Course.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Iovine found himself trapped in a narrative where he wasn’t the Brilliant A&R Impresario he believed he’d come across as. Look what happened:

    –The S10 “boys rebel for the truth of their music and then have a Moment” edit, used for multiple contestants.

    –The mixed-to-abysmal song choices he foisted on singers who didn’t rebel. The average viewer probably doesn’t care who chooses the songs, but does care about seeing a lively and varied show. Poor song choices abort that goal, and the S12 ballad-fest was just bad TV programming.

    –Visible inability to force the winner he wants (see, e.g., Amber Holcomb).

    –Negative industry response to his “future stars.” Radio said “lol no” to Toscano, Reinhart, and Sanchez. Country radio gave McCreery numerous chances but is starting to rebel against timid singles choices. P2 is the one “mainstream” success for Iovine — a far cry from what he boasted he’d do.

    No wonder Iovine found urgent appointments elsewhere.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    That’s the part that’s troubling me. They’d have to switch to a cash prize. I wouldn’t mind seeing a mixed award — part cash, but also a recording contract with a more reasonable advance structure — but that’s what The Voice USA already does. (It’s $100,000 cash, which is a nice chunk of change for a starving musician but not enough wealth to retire.)

    Or they’d just tout how great it is to have flexibility and count on every winner believing he or she will be signed. They’d have to sign the S13 winner to prove their intentions are good, but they could quietly bury the S15 winner.

  • lkingcorn

    What next? Are they trying to sink the show. Have read nothing so far that makes me want to watch this year.

  • newinNM

    “And this brand new Idol? Is looking A LOT like the old version. So much for sweeping changes.”

    *I think this is my biggest problem, they said new and improved and we get old and tired. Trying to look at the positive, I’ve never liked a 4 judge panel, always wanted less talking and more singing, so I’m glad about only 3 judges. Keith is fine, I don’t think he really had a chance to show what kind of judge he could be, he can be our “Randy”. Jlo, not excited about this at all, but she does fill the nice sweet “Paula” chair. So we need a Simon, someone you love to hate and not another Nikki, someone you just hate period. And please let them at least act like they get along. Can not stand Jimmy, if it takes having Randy back to get rid of him, I can deal with it. I also really miss the guest mentors, the occasional past idol would be fun for this. My greatest hope is they get a good, diverse group of talented contestants and let them choose the songs and arrangements and please get some new songs for them to choose from. But after seeing the “sweeping changes” so far I’m not very hopeful it will happen.

  • b_james

    I’m fine with this too! Randy had gotten to be a little much to take as a judge but I do like his presence on the show. He does have good instincts and is a mentor in the real world. I was getting sick of Jimmy anyways.

  • perfectstorm

    The Iovine/Idol era did produce two very successful winners – more successful than the last two with Sony. Jimmy Iovine’s legacy to Idol will be Home, which is one of those songs that will forever live on radio. It was pretty apparent that he had checked out last season.

  • dabney_c

    Totally agree. Jimmy’s heart wasn’t in it last season and when he didn’t even show up to the finale, I knew he would be leaving the show. This news comes as no surprise.

    I actually enjoyed Jimmy a lot in season 11, but his apathy in S12 just added to the already uncomfortable vibe that was going on with the horrible judging panel. So, as much as I liked him, I’d rather see him go than have him unengaged and un-invested in the contestants.

  • Incipit

    “… that’s what The Voice USA already does.”

    Yes, that would be the Credibility Chasm. The Voice already does the “bury the winner part as well.” So does XFUS – Melanie who?

    A cash prize but not a contract – or a non recoupable advance – and then part ways with the label – Six of one, half dozen of the other?

  • girlygirl

    Rather than Randy, here was the perfect opportunity to replace Jimmy by using some of the ex-Idols as mentors. Maybe rotate them on a weekly basis. Even the less commercially successful ones could give good advice on navigating your way through the music business, finding writers and producers to work with, dealing with the media, etc.

  • girlygirl

    Yeah Jimmy last season was almost as detached as Simon was in S9. It was pretty clear he didn’t really have much interest in signing/working with any of the S12 contestants. Even his enthusiasm about Amber seemed sort of fake to me.

  • DragonFly

    That again is what I’m saying I could have lived with. It may work w/Randy but let the Idols do some talking for entertainment purposes.

  • Larc

    I vote for your 2nd option. That’s about the only logical explanation for FOX/Idol totally squandering a great chance to turn the show around. Although if you added “stupidity” as choice #3, I’d seriously consider that. ;)

  • taptap

    They don’t care about the super-fans, they care about the casual fans. They think what they’re doing will shore up the casual fan base. We’ll see if they’re right. Maybe all they want to do at this point, after 12 seasons, is hold their ground.

  • Anny_nanny

    Jimmy had many failures as a mentor on S11, so I don’t see a problem with his replacement. And I do not expect that Randy will fill segment in the results night, but just they need a third skeptical judge at the table.
    On the other hand, when I hear that considers candidates as West or Diddy, I understand that this show has not yet reached its bottom.

  • Aaron

    Unfortunately, this strikes me as smart as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The show should either give in and accept that they are past their peak, and do everything they can to survive, or blow it all up and start fresh. Unfortunately, I think the show and Fox are in survival mode to preserve their cash cow.

  • Mel432

    Need some Febreze.

  • taptap

    As long as they’re still making profit, doing the things you suggest makes no sense. As to the ‘blow it up’ option, that’s called producing a new show. That’s what they’ll do when this one is no longer profitable enough for them.

  • taptap

    KWest and Diddy are very big in the real music industry. The fact that some fans of Idol dismiss them is simply another signal that Idol is completely out of touch with the real music industry.

  • Anny_nanny

    These two idiot incapable associate pairs of words. And it has nothing to do with the real or virtual music. If the AI ??does not receive at least one judge, able to give harsh criticism and express a competent opinion, all of these cosmetic procedures to change the show does not give any positive effect.

  • Ari

    The more things change, the more they stay the same. For a show that promised a huge shakeup and revamp, it sounds like things willbe eeven more similar. Jlo, Randy… It’s like changes from season 13&14 were greater than season 14&15

  • Ari

    Brand loyalty? That’s not exactly what you say when you lose million of viewers

  • taptap

    it is when you retain millions tho. All things have a shelf-life, and that erosion is what we’re seeing with Idol.

  • Eilonwy_has_an_emu

    Well, even with S12′s massive viewer losses, you still have a huge core audience that haven’t been offended or bored into departure yet. TPTB want to retain that audience, which is understandable.

    They also want back the people who sloped off in S12 and S11… but they don’t necessarily want all of them back. They want people who will docilely watch the show and vote for the “right” contestants. This is not necessarily the most vocal uber-fans.

    Honestly, I think TPTB are looking to eliminate fans like me, who are heavy music listeners and interested in the current music scene. We’re less likely to bond intensely with a singer and buy OMG!everything, as we have a large range of other choices… and we’re more likely to have strong opinions about what career direction our favorites should go, in order to be both authentic and current.

  • Larc

    Anything done to save Idol needs to be done before it sinks, not after. It will be too late if TPTB wait until the show is no longer profitable.

  • LA944

    I doubt they would bring in idols as permanent mentors. But, if a theme wk was “past idols as mentors” it would be a lot of fun. For instance–the top 8 pick some of their faves from past seasons. The pre-performance vid package shows the contestant listing his/her preferences and then getting surprised with whoever turns up to mentor them. (Of course, it will have to be the ones available to do the epi–lol) And if Carrie U, Kelly C or Adam etc aren’t available– I don’t think it will matter much. Viewers will tune it to see if any of their former faves return.

  • gem2477

    As long as the talent is good and they sing good songs and the judges don’t start wars with each other or take away from the contestants, I don’t care who they put in the judging / mentoring positions. I am much more interested in getting invested in the kids on stage. :)

  • taptap

    imo they’re not trying to ‘save’ Idol. They’ve reached the end stage of this particular product’s life, and are simply harvesting. It’s what you do at the end of the life of a product in any industry. When they’re ready to shut it down, you can bet they’ll have another product ready to replace it, with different parameters in order to start the life-cycle over again.

  • taptap

    eta: I’m betting they bring a new product that will appeal to a different demographic than the current AI. Something that more closely overlaps the music industry’s consumers. I don’t know if it’s possible to capture this demo for a cheesy reality show, but if they can, they will, because that’s the demo the sponsors want.

  • Mateja Praznik

    “New product?”

    Are there any other new-ish talent show formats out there? I mean, besides Idol, X Factor, Got Talent, The Voice? I haven’t heard of any. And Idol was pretty much replaced in most countries around the world by X Factor and now The Voice. All these formats are already in the US.

  • taptap

    I didn’t say it would be a singing competition. They want viewers, and there are plenty other ‘reality’ tv formats. Why else the ‘search for the music mogul’ concept? They’ll put out another product to make money out of some form of the entertainment and/or business industry. Who knows what it will be.

  • TaraBritt

    Maybe you should stop bitching and get over it.

  • TaraBritt

    Oh please, you don’t know anything of what will happen next year. And who says they aren’t making tweaks to the format and song list? Dr. Luke doesn’t sound like a tired judge either…

  • TaraBritt

    You are an idiot and you can bet James Durbin would never say the crap you say about the show.

  • Wfish88

    Do you blame Jimmy for not being into last season? Didnt think he enjoyed spending his time mentoring tone death contestants (Lazaro)

  • http://www.mjsbigblog.com/ mjsbigblog

    Reminder:

    Now I’m resorting to banning IP addresses for rude and crazy people who just won’t go away. You want to play wack a mole? Go right ahead. I’m a pro.

  • Wfish88

    Jimmy helped Haley out alot…

  • http://www.etsy.com/shop/AdorablyHooked Gwen

    This just made me laugh. I simply can’t muster up any other reaction. Wow.

  • Wfish88

    A $100,000 is not a lot for a big show likeThe Voice. After taxes it’s going to be like $60,000 which is like 2 years of income

  • Mel432

    I like some of Slezak’s ideas:

    http://tvline.com/2013/08/22/american-idol-2014-randy-jackson-season-13-changes/#!1/american-idol-season-13-changes-1/

    One I really like is, “Turn the Results Show into an Idol Thursday Concert Special”. I don’t know about the roundtable debate, but I do like the idea of getting some of the finalists from the last 12 seasons who don’t have singles to promote (altho some may), but just some fun, entertaining performances. Like they do on The Voice with the coaches, but on Idol, it wouldn’t be the judges.

  • Frank Booth 2.0

    Randy left AI, but never left. But I am leaving AI. It was fun. So long. Goodbye.

  • EB

    If J-Lo gets to come back… I guess why the hell not? Bring back everyone! Bring back Nigel too, while we’re at it. It feels like he never left anyway given these decisions, just like Randy.

    (sigh)

    I GUESS he might be ok in this role, and he won’t be at the table which is a very good thing. He isn’t as slimy and snarky as Jimmy. He always thinks he knows what song choices they should have made, so, he can put his money where his mouth is and maybe be useful in that way.

    The question remains, will he be in the audience every night? Oh yes he will. And will Ryan give him plenty of chances to comment on the judges’ remarks? Probably.

    (double sigh)

  • jpfan2

    They did this during S12. Every week they brought an Idol back to perform on the results show. It didn’t help the ratings at all.

  • chillj

    I agree. they seem to be doing just enough to get by. As long as the ratings don’t really tank for Fox, they won’t do any creative changes. They could get really innovative and competitive, but they are not doing that, s when the show flat lines it will likely be fast.

  • jujubee22

    Not surprised Jimmy isn’t coming back…he seemed absolutely bored and checked out last season…he didn’t even bother bringing his pals into the rehearsal/studio sessions to mentor like he did seasons 10 and 11 (which, as useless as some of the mentors have actually been over the years, I found I missed)….i guess we will have to wait and see exactly how they use Randy as a mentor…will he basically just replace Jimmy in the same role? will he do something different? I had no desire to ever see Randy on Idol again, but he has been very publicly supportive of a number of Idols post show, and has actually provided real, hands on help to some of them so maybe he will be more useful in a mentoring role than as a judge…

  • taptap

    You really can’t believe the tv industry is going to stop making reality shows? Believe me, there are ideas galore churning through the development ranks, and there always will be. The end of Idol =/= the end of tv.

  • Mateja Praznik

    Oh, I don’t care about Idol. I’m Team X Factor 100%.

    I was writing about TALENT SHOWS. Reality Talent Shows. Not just any reality shows.

  • fuzzywuzzy

    Maybe Randy will at least be consistent with his critiques as a mentor? (Yes, I’m delusional) lol

  • HKfan

    It doesn’t matter how big someone is in the music industry, that will not make them a good judge. You only have to look at Kanye’s personality to see he would not be a good fit or judge on Idol.

  • girlygirl

    well the ratings never moved much no matter who was brought in to perform on results night. Personally I think they need to cut the results night show to a half an hour. Only bring in one guest performer per week (if any) and get rid of all the unneccessary filler.

  • renzy24

    What about Interscope Records? Is this company will be leaving the show as well?

  • overthetop1

    This sux. Randy is not an analytical critic. Jimmy was great. He filled a hole left by Simon without (as much) conceit.

    Jennifer Lopez doesn’t like Jimmy because he disagreed with her on air. He didn’t want to be on the show again with her.

    What a waste of time it will be to cut to Randy’s mentoring.

  • Larc

    I don’t dismiss them as entertainers, but I do as obviously promising judging material. They could be the 2 most successful entertainers on earth, yet not be qualified to be judges on Idol. Effective judging is a different ball of wax altogether.

  • sajinokami

    I’m going with choice #3. They just keep changing the wrapping, maybe adding a few packing peanuts, but the product is still the same.

  • sajinokami

    I haven’t watched since the season 10 finale, but after so many dire predictions… I want to watch this year, just to see what will happen. o.o

  • Anny_nanny

    We have an expression: “The same egg, only in profile”, I don’t know how to translate it.

  • Jason Gorny

    i wonder if they will announce JLO and possibly Dr. Luke as a judge for Idol today.